From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Regimential Kilts Date: 01 Nov 1999 00:03:39 -0400 Iain Sherwood wrote in message ... >Pleating to the stripe takes LESS cloth than pleating to the sett - BUT >military kilts are made of CHEVIOT, a 20 ounce fabric woven on blanket >looms. It's only available in a few tartans, except for those who want to >spring for a bolt (140 yards). I stand corrected Iain ! I would have sworn my information was what I read several years ago BUT I just measured my kilts........there is less material per pleat in my Nova Scotia tartan military pleated kilt than in my Hunting Stewart "sett pleated " kilt ! Pleat "depth" for the military is a standard 2 1/4 inches whereas the sett pleat depth varies from about 2 1/4 inches up to almost 4 inches ! AND I didn't realize they still made kilts out of "blanket material"....but then again, the original "kilt" was a blanket ! David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Halloween Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:59:22 GMT Just saw a History Channel piece on the history of Halloween. I live in the "Halloween Capital of the World" by the way. Didn't realize just how Celtic this thing is. No wonder. Off to smash a few pumpkins, toile-paper a few cars and trees, and maybe lob an egg or two. Oh yeah, almost forgot the cherry bombs for the mailboxes.... Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 04:54:04 GMT On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:13:31 -0000, "lsrapm" wrote: >If I read you right you're wondering how much is going to be revealed and >when, and that you are also >concerned about anyone's name appearing at the bottom of the list. No. I'm trying to read you. What's the problem? Why are people reluctant to have their names revealed? Why only the half dozen contributors you mentioned? And please don't call the game with a half a dozen. We've got forever. Put the word out some more and wait a while. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:10:47 GMT In article <381cd0fb_5@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > > JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message > > > > Well we tested it next to a Sinclair chanter and > > found that it was........ > > ... not what the Vendor claimed it to be! I'm not surprised that you say that. > First point, the chanter did not produce one and a half times > the volume of a standard chanter. We tested a few reeds of > various strengths and different makes. Were you using your own ears, or some electronic gear capable of taking quantitative measurements? I don't really think it's 1.5 times as loud, more like 20%-30% to my ear - but hey, I'm not a circle guy. > Second point, the chanter had a dull, very course sound to it as > compared to the Sinclair. It didn't have the same crack and clarity > that the sinclair gives. The phenolic chanter really fails to > give any good projection or overall presentation. Funny, your observations are 180 degrees out from the review given it by one of the world's finest pipers at Yukon who commented that it was "quite bright." > The tone holes seem to be located further down the chanter than usual, High-A and high-G are *exactly* the same distance from the reed-seat as my Naill. Guess Naill better shape-up to the Mitchell standard too. > and the walls are thick as I suspect this is due to the fact that > the material is brittle with no elasticity. Actually, this material outperforms Delrin across the board in its mechanical properties. When you use a word like "elasticity" in a sentence, make sure you know the difference between it and a word like "ductility." Cast iron is *very* elastic, but not ductile. The elastic modulus of this particular phenolic is much higher than Delrin or Blackwood. This phenolic is not as ductile as Delrin, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If you don't worry about your blackwood chanter, then don't worry about your phenolic chanter. You could leave it on the dash-board of your car in Yuma, Arizone on the hottest summer day with no worries. Not so with Delrin or blackwood. >If the chanter had thin > walls it would shatter when banged about. I recieved an email in July from a certain other maker who had quite bad luck machining various phenolic materials. Turns out he never tried the variety of phenolic used by Kron, pity. Said the same thing about the brittle nature of phenolic and the consequences of being banged about. Did you come to your own conclusions on this or did you, perhaps, get some prompting from elsewhere? > On the positive side, it was a well balanced chanter and I think > if the pitch were brought up, it might solve alot of the clarity > problems which would also give it a sweeter tone. Yes, let's have another dog-whistle in the mix. Let's see now, a sharply-pitched chanter improves clarity and gives it a sweeter tone. Golly, why not just head for C-natural and stop all the controversy over 480 vs 470? > I'm still not convinced that this material has any advantages > over the traditional Blackwood Chanter in terms of Volume, Your critique is OBE/moot. Rather like the nay-sayers still damning manned space flight. > and due to the hardness of the material it would also make it > difficult to modify or carve holes on the day of the games. Where there's a will, there's a way. Leave your mom's paring knife at home and bring a riffler. > The cost also doesn't make it a practical material to work with, Before CNC, yes. CNC fixed the problems encountered by your buddy. As far as the consumer is concerned, it's about 100 bucks less expensive than a Sinclair, comparing retail to retail. This chanter won't appeal to dog-whistle lovers. It *will* appeal to the piper who wants to make the most of his embellishments. It *will* appeal to the piper who'd like to use a slightly easier reed to achieve the same fat sound he had before. It *will* appeal to the piper who is capable of original thought. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. MacKinley Riebesehl" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 31 Oct 1999 23:15:25 -0600 have fun! Mack Royce Lerwick wrote: > Just saw a History Channel piece on the history of Halloween. I live > in the "Halloween Capital of the World" by the way. Didn't realize > just how Celtic this thing is. No wonder. Off to smash a few pumpkins, > toile-paper a few cars and trees, and maybe lob an egg or two. Oh > yeah, almost forgot the cherry bombs for the mailboxes.... > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 00:26:32 -0800 John, You seem to be confused about the terms "Tone" and "Pitch". You write in your post that, "On the positive side, it was a well balanced chanter and I think if the pitch were brought up, it might solve alot of the clarity problems which would also give it a sweeter tone." It's precisely this false thinking that has driven the pitch of chanters way too high lately (see my article below, "Stigma: "Flat is BAD" Re: Standard GHB tuning"). Tone is a description of the quality of sound (sometimes called timbre) which is measured as the waveform or Spectra of the sound (essentially, the combination of each of the overtones or partials of the Fundamental mode of vibration). Different from this is Pitch; which is the Frequency of modulation of the whole wave. A good example of this distinction at work is demonstrated by the fact that even though I may hear a piano play A-440 and a Flute play A-440, I can nevertheless tell the two instruments apart by virtue of their unique Tone "Signature" (or Spectra). I've included an earlier post of mine (via www.dejanews.com) which further explains this, as well as a post that goes on to describe how some (such as yourself) may have led us down this dubious path. To the extent that pitch and tone ARE related, the scientific evidence actually favors *Lower* pitches having a "Richer" more "Complex" or "Full" tone, due to the presence of MORE spectra in the audible range. So, while there is certainly nothing wrong with preferring a higher pitched chanter (if that is your thing), to claim such is inherently better sounding is a totally bankrupt assertion. Also, you write: "The tone holes seem to be located further down the chanter than usual" What the heck does this have to do with anything? The holes go where they need to go to produce the note "G"; and not where they are esthetically pleasing to your eye. Cheers Todd Muscat The following is my archived article from deja... Stigma: "Flat is BAD" Re: Standard GHB tuning Why are pipers so easily fooled when confronted by pitch issues? Here are some theories. 1) In a band setting, the piper who shows up late (pipes not warmed up as much as the others) sounds like a "flat duck". Yuk! Further, when not warmed up, the top hand notes are typically out of tune to a greater degree on the flat side. Poor intonation. 2) The convention in western music, is to tune by slowly bringing the pitch of one instrument from the flat side to the reference pitch -- think of tuning drones from off the pin towards the mount. Or a guitar string being tightened UP to the desired pitch. Once proficient, the musician is always spending more of his 'out-of-tune' time on the flat side. Now, when a band marches in after another band, the flatter band will be perceived (wrongly) to be out of tune! Even if their pipes are better tuned and set-up than the previous band. A stigma has therefore emerged that says "flat is BAD". Therefore at major competitions, nobody wants to be flatter than the other -- so we have a perpetual upward spiraling chanter pitch -- this is a joke! As long as the pipes are perfectly in tune to themselves and there is no published 'standard pitch' then the band with the best TONE should be regarded as uch -- regardless of pitch. Pitch is pitch and tone is tone. Why can't the piping world learn the difference. If the piping world wants a higher pitch chanter then why doesn't it just come right out and introduce a "soprano" chanter? Or, publish the target standard pitch and judge pipers separately by how close to it they tune? This way we could avoid the cat & mouse game of simply needing to be perceived as "least flat". Cheers Todd Muscat - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:09:41 GMT >That's BS Bill. There are over 100 pipers and drummers in my town >alone "here." > >Royce On the NG? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahassee Games! Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:14:32 GMT > I think if we all seek to play the pipes well, it makes no >difference what we share with each other or ideally how well we do competing >against each other. We should be most concerned with what it takes us to >play the pipes well. So I couldn't agree with you more about the sharing, I'd just like to add that I think you both have wonderful attitudes regarding the instrument, and some here would do well to get a bit of that attitude in them! TY both for a refreshing outlook. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:21:49 GMT >How did you find this out? > I'm trying to recall that, but the memorys kind of hazy. It was in a post on here, but I can't recall much except the numbers now... and I doubt that included lurkers (who undoubtedly make-up a large majority of the people here.) But even if that was accurate at the time, I'm sure it changes dramatically from week to week. It would seem to make sense either way when you figure theres about 40 regular contributors, and the other 220 odd members are lurkers. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:47:15 GMT > As long as >the pipes are perfectly in tune to themselves and there is no published >'standard pitch' then the band with the best TONE should be regarded as >uch -- regardless of pitch. One question Todd. How do the judges see this? Since competitors are judged by him/her, shouldn't you be playing to his/her standards regardless of your personal feeling on what's the correct timbre? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hugh@bigshuggie.comREMOVETHIS (Hugh Hamilton) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comment on CD by Fred Morrison Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:25:02 +0000 Thanks for all the comments, ever since getting hold of "The Broken Chanter," which has to be my fav CD - esp Hector the Hero, I have been waiting for another CD from Fred. Glad to hear it up to his high standard. Hugh Has anyone managed to get hold of the CD via a UK based online store? Piping is still my hobby and I am still bad at it - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "André Mittun" Subject: (bagpipe) Pipes for sale Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:02:38 +0100 Gillanders & MacLeod (1988, set no.2) for sale. New canmore bag (L), new cover, new cords. Perfect condition. Price DKR. 5.750 (£490, US$795, CA$1145) For further information contact André Mittun ************************************* André Mittun, Andre_Mittun@vip.cybercity.dk The Heather Pipes & Drums of Copenhagen http://www.heather.dk - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:52:09 GMT I am not quite so sure about Maueve. She stated Dave Page and her got along pleasantly at the Tallahasse games and exchanged tips with each other even though they would be competing in the Ocala games against each other next month. When Dave got back to Jacksonville he had a hole in his bag that looked like it may have been placed there by a darning needle, I noticed several around her spinning wheel. Also after drinking some of the wine Mauve had stashed under her table his low hand has gone weirdly numb and he's taken to playing Irish tunes and Cullen Bay. HHHMMM! JIm - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:06:33 GMT A day late! (my motto) Tonight is the night when dead leaves fly like witches on switches across the sky. When elf and sprite flit through the night on a moony sheen. Tonight is the night when leaves make a sound like a gnome in his home under the ground. When spooks and trolls creep out of the holes, all mossy and green. Tonight is the night when pumpkins stare through sheaves and leaves everywhere. When ghoul and ghost and goblin host dance round their Queen. IT'S HALLOWEEN!!! ******************** Q. Why don't angry witches ride their brooms? A. They're afraid of flying off the handle! Q. Who won the skeleton beauty contest? A. No body Q. What do skeletons say before they begin dining? A. Bone appetit ! Q. Where do baby ghosts go during the day? A. Dayscare centers Q. Who did Frankenstein take to the prom? A. His ghoul friend. Q. What's a monster's favorite play? A. Romeo and Ghouliet Q. What do witches put on their hair? A. Scare spray Q. What do you get when you cross Bambi with a ghost? A. Bamboo Q. Why did the monster eat a light bulb? A. Because he was in need of a light snack Q. What kind of mistakes do spooks make? A. Boo boos Q. What kind of cereal do monsters eat? A. Ghost-Toasties Q. What kind of monster is washing machine safe? A. A wash and wear wolf Q. What's the 1st thing ghosts do when they get in a car? A. They boo-kle their seatbelts Q. What has webbed feet, feathers, fangs and goes quack-quack? A. Count Duckula Q. Why wasn't there any food left after the monster party? A. Because everyone was a goblin! Q. How did the ghost patch his sheet? A. With a pumpkin patch. Q: What do the birds sing on Halloween? A: Twick or Tweet Q: What did the little ghost have in his rock collection? A: Tombstones Q: What do baby ghosts wear on Halloween? A: White Pillowcases Q: What does a vampire fear most? A: Tooth decay Q: Where did the vampire open his savings account? A: At a blood bank Q: Where do mummies go for a swim? A: To the dead sea Q: What is Transylvania? A: Dracula's terror-tory Q: Where does Dracula water ski? A: On Lake Erie Q: What does a ghost eat for lunch? A: A BOO-logna sandwich. Q: How does the witch know what time it is? A: She looks at her witch-watch. Q: What did the Mommy ghost say to the baby ghost? A: Don't spook until your spooken to. Q: How do vampires get around on Halloween night? A: By blood vessels. Q: What happened to the guy who couldn't keep up payments to his exorcist? A: He was repossessed. Q: Do monsters eat popcorn with their fingers? A: NO, they eat the fingers separately. Q: What's the part of a restaurant where vampires don't suck blood? A: The non-Suckers section. Q: What do you get when you cross a drip-dry shirt with a monster? A: A wash-and-wear wolf. Q: What kind of ship does Dracula own A: Blood vessel. Q: Why do ghosts and demons get along so well? A: Because demons are a ghosts best friend. Q: Where do ghosts go on vacation? A: The Eerie canal. Q: Where do ghosts buy their food? A: At the ghost-ery store. Q: Why doesn't anyone like Count Dracula? A: He's a pain in the neck. Q. Where do ghosts mail their letters? A. At the ghost office. Q. What's a ghosts favorite ride at the carnival? A. The roller ghoster. Q. What do you get if you cross sleeping beauty & Dracula? A. Iron poor blood. Q. What's a ghosts favorite fruit? A. Booberries. Q. How do you mend a broken Jack-o-lantern? A. With a pumpkin patch! Q. What is a witch's favorite subject in school? A. Spelling! Q. When does a skeleton laugh? A. When something tickles his funny bone. Q. Why didn't the skeleton dance at the Halloween party? A. It had no body to dance with. Q. Why was the mummy so tense? A. He was all wound up. Q. What's black, white, orange, and waddles? A. A penguin with a jack-o-lantern. Q. Where did the goblin throw the football? A. Over the ghoul line. Q. What do you call Count Dracula's cookout? A. Vampire campfire. Q. What do you call a ghost with a broken leg? A. Hoblin Goblin. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish Music, Hell ! Date: 01 Nov 1999 07:32:43 -0500 I know just how you feel! Years ago, while my cousin and I were playing for some local politico in Bergen Cty, NJ, a member of the local "Aramaic Society" (Read: Syrian Christians), approached us to do his parish Christmas Party. The gig was a lot of fun, complete with belly dancers, etc. We didn't know enough to pick up the money on the floor that they were all throwing at us, so we went away with only a pittance, but it was still fun. One member of the parish claimed to have been a piper in the Royal Jordanian Army (mind you, this was in 1978) and told us of his wonderful pipes that had been made in far off Pakistan! Bill Burt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 01 Nov 1999 07:35:36 -0500 I'd be interested to know how they are in terms of volume. My chief complaint with the old Wygent reeds is that, apart from taking too much air, they're just too loud for solo playing, which is why I've successfully been using EZ Drones for the last 2-3 years. Bill Burt Iain Sherwood wrote in message ... >check it out at www.cuillinn.com/notesNov99.html >Iain Sherwood wrote in message >news:s1n6bp56iqi16@corp.supernews.com... >> They're here - the world's first pornographic drone reed. INSTANT TONE. I >> kid you not. Truly plug and play, the Duatone reed is the culmination of >> five years of work. Just got a set to try, put them in, and WOW - SWEET! >> A word of warning - they aren't for everybody. Steady blowing IS a must, >and >> they take LESS air even though they have two tongues. More on this >tomorrow >> after they blow in a little more. >> >> IS >> no, they aren't in stock yet. Maybe later in November. >> >> > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:44:34 GMT >In recent posts it has become clear that many people are not > happy about the influence that Mr Bob Shepherd has in the > competition arena. It should be noted that if the requests > for him to bow out were to be successful his power would not be > terminated. It's not the "power" of this gentleman that people object to. It's the perception that he is in a position to profit financially by the results of his judging, and that the competitors are in the position of influencing his judgment by financial means. >On a more serious note, maybe these (trip's)should be > monitored by the appropriate authorities e.g. the RSPBA > and Judges should declare their interests. The authority should > should then consider the judge's eligibility to adjudicate a > particular grade. There is a twin danger here, the Scylla and Charybdis of piping competition. On the one hand, piping cannot be judged by purely objective criteria, like the score of a ball game. Efforts like Bentley Wall's to objectify judging are well intentioned and serve a worthwhile purpose, but they are ultimately unworkable. On the other hand, we need articulated standards that everyone knows and understands, together with judges that we can be reasonably assured are free from bias and prejudice. >I've seen and heard all the tricks > that go on in the competition world, and some of them are > absolutely despicable. Maybe one good approach would be that of "transparency." If this can work in the stock market, it should work for piping competition. Full disclosure, no secrets. If a judge has a financial interest in the contest, let him disclose it. If a band is using tricks, let it tell all. If you know some of the "tricks," Sam, spill the beans. Tell us what the tricks are and who is using them. If you remain silent, you contribute in your small way to the disrespect piping results sometimes generate. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahassee Games! Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:54:09 GMT >The pleasure was all mine in meeting you in Tallahassee, Maeve. It was >great to be able to share information with you concerning your competition >tunes, learning challenges, reed manipulations, etc. And to get to Dave is way to nice, I got to stir this pot! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Chanters Date: 01 Nov 1999 14:01:17 GMT >This is what irks me about this group.......you drive away anyone with an >ounce of knowledge, and people like you are revered for giving bad >advice. Dear Lori - Welcome to the world. 1. No one drives away anyone else. In fact, I suspect that a higher percentage of upper level pipers post on the ng than lower level pipers. 2. Even upper level pipers don't know it all. Remember the lesson Ron Bowen received about pinning. 3. What lower level pipers say can be tested and proven. If Mark Lee's reeds work, who cares if he can blow even "Amazing Grace?" 4. And even if they don't work, the attempt is valuable. After all, when has any advance occured, without many previous failed attempts? Ask Mark Wygent how many reeds HE made before he perfected his product. He didn't get it right on the first try. 5. >Sooooo, why put your two cents worth in about the pitch of chanters, when >you are sooooooo undoubtedly wrong about it? Who's to judge. And since when is Mark Lee (or anyone else) not entitled to his opinion and not entitled to make a fool of himself by expressing it? 6. >Yes sir.......been setting up a band since I was 17. That's great. You have a wealth of knowledge and experience you can share with us. Please do. 7. >Lori >and no......its not pms week >wait til it is.....;-))) Are you bragging? This is not a flame. You have much to contribute. I just hate to see it wasted in an attack. Be positive, not negative. You'll feel better, and so will everyone else. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Goodbye All: (was Bob Sheperd) Date: 01 Nov 1999 14:13:53 GMT >I have no vendetta against Bob like All you Sheperd "haters" >with your allegations, I pointed out a conflict of interest...THATS IT, >nothing >more, No one with any sense could have read your initial post and come to any other conclusion. You were right to point out the conflict of interest. In fact, the gist (I got) from your post was, "Bob Shepherd is a good man. Why does he put himself in the position that his integrity could be questioned?" But -- you are guilty of the same failing. The subsequent posts were not personal attacks against you. I thought that this was a very civil, constructive discussion, with good input from a number of people. If you don't want others to misconstrue your posts and assume that you are attacking and calumnizing, don't you misconstrue the posts of others and assume they are attacking and calumnizing. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:57:34 -0500 JSLOANPR wrote in message news:19991101055209.13751.00000625@ng-fw1.aol.com... > > I am not quite so sure about Maueve. She stated Dave > When Dave got back to Jacksonville he had a hole in his bag that looked like it > may have been placed there by a darning needle, I noticed several around her > spinning wheel. Also after drinking some of the wine Mauve had stashed under > her table his low hand has gone weirdly numb and he's taken to playing Irish > tunes and Cullen Bay. Well, well, Jim. . . I got to thinking about this myself when I got home. Was that Dave that I saw fraternizing with those two Scotsmen just before they offered to take Angus to the Samhain fires "over yon hill"???? Seems to me that this event happened right AFTER Dave had the chance to play Angus ;) :) :) :) And never mind the wine under my table . . . all's fair in Love and war, right?!?!?!? Queen Maeve (Mab) = Irish Fairy Queen of War and Wisdom Guess I'll have to brush up on the wisdom part if I'm going to live up to the standards of my namesake, eh? -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Makers of Uilleann Pipes Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:10:14 -0500 Jim Lahue wrote: > snip > > When did New York state secede and move to Europe? > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Jim Lahue | Disclaimer: All expressed > jmlahue@us.ibm.com | views are mine alone and not > RS/6000 Division, IBM Corp | necessarily shared by IBM They didn't, but typically New York, they think that having won the world series again, (sigh) they own it. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time Out Date: 01 Nov 1999 11:26:02 -0500 Hmmmm- so who is she? Bill Carr wrote: > Have any of you ever taken time out from bagpiping and then come back > with a new enthusiasm, fresh outlook, etc.? > > After a couple of months of waning passion for the instrument I've just > made the decision. I've carefully oiled and packed away the pipes and > removed most everything else to do with piping "out of sight". > > There are still a lot of loose ends, like a new set of pipes on order > and an old set being restored so I'll still be involved, in some way, > for a while. > > After almost five years of obsessive indulgence in piping this is going > to be very strange but hopefully I'll be back with a vengeance in the > New Year. If not? Well.... then there will be two classic sets of pipes > plus a new set on the market, plus pile of odds and ends. > > Wish me luck > > Cheers > > Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "Survey: Weighting System" Date: 01 Nov 1999 10:00:11 -0500 invisiblesun@prodigy.net wrote: > The problem here Bentley is that it sounds as if you are trying to set a > 'universal' standard of judging a contest by boxing a judge into strict > criteria. Actually, I am not trying to do that. What I would like to see is what you pointed out in you reply about having judges be trained to focus on the right things and be trained consistently by the panel boards. However, how would you or I do that? That is something that the societies would have to do and if they wanted to in the first place, what would they teach/train? They would have to adopt a system where they stated what things were important, which ones more than others and derive an acceptable universal way of evaluating these criteria so that the judges would evaluate contests consistently. All I am trying to do is have a discussion about what sort of class material would be presented to the judge classes. Enforcement is another issue entirely, and of course many of the criteria are musical, subjective, creative, and personal taste. It is good to have opinions from different types of people, but I am trying to correct the disparity that is caused by inconsistent applications of personal judging prejudice, whether it be malicious (as was the origin of this thread way back recall the Shepherd bid out 'discussion') or just personal preference taken to an unacceptable extreme. I do not think the judges should be boxed in from having opinions about musical or creative or subjective sound issues. Not at all. What I think needs to be done is to come up with a way that the system could be more defined so that this whole crap about judges being biased every time someone loses or every time someone thinks some other band should or should not have won a contest could be squashed a bit with facts. Also, in theory any judging bias that does exist would have to be hampered by a process where judging criteria were more strictly defined, judges had access to a more narrow evaluation territory, and re-evaluations were done by the judge panels at later times. I mean, a guy coudn't knock a band out of the race by two places just because of a slight blip on the attack unless the society says that is OK. If they do say that it is OK, then you know that if you blow the attack you are done. Right now, it depends on the judge whether you are done or not because of this (and everything else for that matter) and the societies basically say that is OK because they have NOT come out and said what is most important for BAND COMPETITION and what the criteria are that should be evaluated. People that do not agree that a band should be bounced for havig a bad attack then say the judge that does feel that was is biased. Maybe so, maybe not. Either way, any judge is allowed to vote that way without limits. Two bands: One has great sound and two small mistakes, one has slightly fuzzy sound and no mistakes. Who wins? Survey would probably say 50/50. What if you add that the band with the two small mistakes was playing technically more difficult music than the other band? When we are setting up the band then, is it more important to cut the guy who has the greatest sound disparity from the group or the one that is most likely to make a mistake? These are the decisions you could make if you knew which area was going to have a greater impact on your score. Because even though as you say, the crowds support us by paying to get in, we ARE COMPETING. The competition process, evaluation, and band standards have nothing to do with what the crowd thinks. Let's have a crowd contest where we put the Yankee Doodle, the CanCan and the Barney song in a medley and have no judges and just have a sound meter to measure crowd response in applause when we are done. Save the money for having judges, put the judge fees in the prize money and let the crowd decide. THEN SEE WHERE OUR PIPE BAND STANDARDS GO!!!!!!!!!! I, for one, would stay home. Competition (as I see it) is ultimately done to promote the art while simultaneously raising the standards and evolving for the better. For this to occur we have to know what standards we are trying to raise, and what "better" is supposed to be. I think it is a shame that we operate in an environment where every individual does what they THINK is best in a huge industry and both competitors and judges are allowed to do this. Wouldn't our industry's standards raise more quickly and higher if we were all working to solve things together? To do this we would have to be working on properly defined problems and have consistent evaluation of the results of our labors. Doesn't the open ended nature of playing and judging OPEN UP the door of opportunity for bias and complaining? Doesn't having standards and well defined criteria actually HELP the judges do their jobs by giving them clear choices to make based on the system in use? Doesn't it give them more time to evaluate the creative and subjective things without only taking note of the flaws and ranking negatively? I would like to have the judges rank everyone based on their positive impressions of musicality, creativity, sound quality, etc., and then have more strict set of deductions for obvious technical flaws like mistakes, attacks, cutoffs, blowing, cutting in and out, etc. I would say that using the professional iceskating as a template for thought is a good place to start. All the skaters have required elements, which essentially is almost true of pipe bands (tune types, number of players, etc.). Then they have an artistic score as well. Because of personal taste, and safeguarding against the appearance of impropriety, they have like ten judges and throw out the high and low. This allows for an averaging of the opinions and the guy who impressed MOST of the judges the most ends up winning. I am not implying anything here like we shoul dhave ten pipe judges and ten drum judges. I am just saying that our current system allows outliers to have a very pronounced effect on the end results. Why shoudl that be? If we think that is OK, then why do we have two piping judges? If it is because there is too much work to be done by one guy, then what has been made any better by having two if their territories and thus workloads are the same? If two judges are used to decrease the workload then divide up the work. If they are used to average out bias then admittedly the problem exists. I do not want to tell anyone how to judge as a competitor. As a competitor, I just want to know what cause and effect relationships there are between what I do and what the judges are going to do so that I can get the band positioned for the best marks and I know what items should be addressed before others if there are multiples issues to address in the winter or the day of a contest. However, as an individual, I DO WANT TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO JUDGE, just like when I vote for who I want in a particular political office. I vote for the guy whom I think will be pushing for saving the planet issues if that is my greatest personal concern politically. I think as bagpipe and drum band individuals we have the right and responsibility to attempt to constantly evaluate and improve our industry by trying to make things better and not to be the guy who didn't vote who just bitches about the president. It seems like there are a lot of people that have al ot to say about this guy or that guy, judge, band, society, long-winded-NG guy, etc. I am just trying to have some input on a hypothetical basis about what the general consensus is regarding the best possible judging system for competition pipe bands. If all I wanted was to design one for the fun of it, I could do that on my own. However, I think the survey showed that there are many people that think things ought evolve. Let's just try to see what we can come up with. Offer up some guidelines. Come out in public and say which two or three factors should be the most critical to pipe band results. Come out and say whether or not you think that bands should have sound before technical prowess or bigger section numbers should allow you to get by with a little slop. Let's pool our opinions about everything that we think is important and see what kind of overlap there is. Then we can desing something that might work better than what we have. Maybe not. Who knows until we hash it out? Even if we come up with something, who would listen? I guess it would depend on who we voted into the next round of society positions....wouldn't it. (just in case you thought that the masses didn't count for anything anymore) Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:44:06 -0400 >> I am not quite so sure about Maueve. She stated Dave >> When Dave got back to Jacksonville he had a hole in his bag that looked >like it >> may have been placed there by a darning needle, I noticed several around >her >> spinning wheel. Also after drinking some of the wine Mauve had stashed >under >> her table his low hand has gone weirdly numb and he's taken to playing >Irish >> tunes and Cullen Bay. etc.......etc........ >>Queen Maeve (Mab) = Irish Fairy Queen of War and Wisdom >Guess I'll have to brush up on the wisdom part if I'm going to live up to >the standards of my namesake, eh? > -- >Love and Light be with you, >Maeve . . . in sunny Florida Well........i don't pore over the results of international games so I may be amiss in commenting(I usually am) on the fact that Floridians don't dominate the prize lists, HOWEVER....by the sounds of things, I might be concluded that Floridian pipers have the most fun............and isn't this the real reason one picks up an instrument ? Congratulations Florida !........Maeve....is that invitation still open ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 01 Nov 1999 08:49:22 -0800 I put an E-M Wygent chanter reed in and have BEAUTIFUL balance in the Glens. I'm going to try them in a chalice set next. If you've been having problems with too much volume with regular Wygents, you can adjust them by shortening the tongues and screwing in the tuning pin. Also, after they've been blown in (about 6-7 hours of playing), the old Wygents take no more air than cane. IS Bill Burt wrote in message news:7vk1nc$u9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net... > I'd be interested to know how they are in terms of volume. My chief > complaint with the old Wygent reeds is that, apart from taking too much air, > they're just too loud for solo playing, which is why I've successfully been > using EZ Drones for the last 2-3 years. > > Bill Burt > > Iain Sherwood wrote in message ... > >check it out at www.cuillinn.com/notesNov99.html > >Iain Sherwood wrote in message > >news:s1n6bp56iqi16@corp.supernews.com... > >> They're here - the world's first pornographic drone reed. INSTANT TONE. I > >> kid you not. Truly plug and play, the Duatone reed is the culmination of > >> five years of work. Just got a set to try, put them in, and WOW - SWEET! > >> A word of warning - they aren't for everybody. Steady blowing IS a must, > >and > >> they take LESS air even though they have two tongues. More on this > >tomorrow > >> after they blow in a little more. > >> > >> IS > >> no, they aren't in stock yet. Maybe later in November. > >> > >> > > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lsrapm" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 18:02:49 -0000 JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message news:381d2200_7@news.newsfeeds.com... > > Royce Lerwick wrote in message > > > > contributors you mentioned? And please don't call the game with a half > > a dozen. We've got forever. Put the word out some more and wait a > > while. > > I agree, there is no rush here! > > It's going to take time for folks to get their sample > together. Sounds like there's some problems > with getting the right settings for recording on the computer. OK, John and Royce. I hear you. I don't mind which way we do it, as long as it works and proves an interesting exercise for all who take part. I only suggested accepting anonymous entries because my initial impression was that we weren't going to get a decent response. Perhaps that's not such a good idea. And I do see your point about the time needed to get a decent recording. I know already from a few that have come in that some will need a lot more time to work out how best to set things up. It always had been my intention to withhold all information about the entry until after the 'blind' vote at the end. Some people didn't seem to have realised that. John, I rather like your idea of posting new entries up each week. It would be a good way of keeping up the interest. I presume you mean putting up the entries page for viewing fairly soon (I have eight now) and then add more to it each week as they come in until we think it's time to close the list. That way other entrants will be able to hear what has been put in so far and know the sort of thing we're looking for. It would also give some people a chance to discuss their recording problems. I like your idea of naming locations as well. Incidentally some people have asked about putting in more than one entry because they have more than one set-up. I don't see any problem with that. Chris Eyre - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 13:17:35 -0500 dnimmo wrote in message news:s1ri181iqof14@corp.supernews.com... > the prize lists, HOWEVER....by the sounds of things, I might be concluded > that Floridian pipers have the most fun............and isn't this the real > reason one picks up an instrument ? > > Congratulations Florida !........Maeve....is that invitation still open ? You bet the invitation is still open! Just don't forget to bring your pipe as "Maeve's Bed and Breakfast" is up and running!!!!!! You might want to talk with Zu first though .. . .he knows the scoop! Seems the guests here "check in but they don't check out". And I'm acquiring a large collection of pipes . . . . -- Love and Light be with you, Maniacal Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 12:03:41 -0800 I never suggested that there is a "Correct" timbre (no such thing). I only suggest that there is NO PUBLISHED "Correct" Pitch --- and that we shouldn't confuse the two terms (pitch & tone -- as you possibly have just done:-))! I also go on to investigate how judges may be being fooled by ever increasing chanter pitch. They need to learn to "Clear their Aural Palettes" (if you will) -- like wine tasters do -- so that each successive band coming out to compete, does NOT need higher pitch in order to sound "Brighter"; as pitch and tone are SEPARATE issues. Otherwise, as I suggested some years ago, the only fair way to approuch this is: simply publish the 'target pitch' and judge bands on how well they match it. Do you see what folly the whole 'brightness via pitch' strategy has created??!!! To take the current situation 'ad absurdum' [sarcasm alert]: why not simply jack the pitch of the GHB chanter up an octave or two (say A=940 Htz) -- THEN it would really be bright!? ... Do you see the danger of confusing Pitch and Tone? We are in a silly race to achieve ever higher pitches, to fool the judges into thinking we have "Brighter" tone; when in reality we only have higher pitches. And sadly, It's WORKING!!! When will this end? I don't know about you; but I personally don't want my GHB chanter to be pitched at A=940 Htz, due to the caprice of some influential Pipe Majors driven to win band competitions, under the critique of someone who didn't know the difference between Pitch and Tone. Cheers Todd Bagpiip wrote : > One question Todd. How do the judges see this? Since competitors are judged by > him/her, shouldn't you be playing to his/her standards regardless of your > personal feeling on what's the correct timbre? > > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 15:53:44 -0500 madman wrote: > > JOHN MITCHELL wrote: > > > > JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message > > First point, the chanter did not produce one and a half times > > the volume of a standard chanter. We tested a few reeds of > > various strengths and different makes. > According to my readings,using an Otari SPM,a 1989 Sinclair was putting > out 115 > DB at 10 inches...the Phenolic was putting out 119 Db... Judgements of perceived loudness (L) vs. sound intensity (I) tend to follow the relationship L = k*I^(0.3), that is loudness is proportional to intensity to the power of 0.3. This gives the result that a 10 dB difference in sound level gives roughly a doubling in subjective loudness. From Dave's measurements, the intensity of the Phenolic was higher than the Sinclair by a factor of 10^((119-115)/10) = 2.51. (The amplitude would be higher by a factor of sqrt(2.51) = 1.58) So the loudness should be higher by a factor of about (2.51)^(0.3) = 1.32, i.e. approximately 32% louder. -- Ewan Macpherson Central Systems Laboratory Kresge Hearing Research Institute http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 20:40:48 GMT >s "Maeve's Bed and Breakfast" is up and running!!!!!! You might want to >talk with Zu first though .. . .he knows the scoop! Seems the guests here >"check in but they don't check out". And I'm acquiring a large collection of >pipes . . . . And poor Dave Page just started walking on all fours, Bill, you called that one! Glad I brought over my own beer to her table. My St Joseph's medal protected me from potions and spells. I forewarn any grade 4 competitors in OCALA next week. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 20:17:10 GMT >(pitch & tone -- as you possibly have just >done:-))! Yes I did. TY Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 21:55:28 GMT On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:26:32 -0800, "Todd" wrote: >John, > >You seem to be confused about the terms "Tone" and "Pitch". You write in >your post that, > > "On the positive side, it was a well balanced chanter and I think > if the pitch were brought up, it might solve alot of the clarity > problems which would also give it a sweeter tone." > >It's precisely this false thinking that has driven the pitch of chanters way >too high lately (see my article below, "Stigma: "Flat is BAD" Re: Standard >GHB tuning"). Hey Todd, thanks for making that portion of the argument for me with even more energy than I could muster at this late day in the argument. The fact seems to be that Mr. Mitchell and others in his "circle" prefer a high pitch. There is a psychological effect of course that is quite demonstrable when you play a lower pitched chanter next to a higher one, as they apparently did, and the lower pitch always sounds "off." Kron is in fact perhaps the only firm that will put the holes wherever you want them, if you want it up-pitched Dave will do that for you. Well, for me. Maybe not for Mr. Mitchell. The reality is, Dave and Charlie are on the low end of the pitch argument, and Mr. Mitchell is on the high end, and it's not really a "tone" argument at all, it's a pitch argument. This goes right along with the superstitious way a lot of really good players refer to pitch as "bright" or it's a "bright" pitch, which is really a tone comment. I'm going down the list so I'm going to discuss Chris Hamilton's observations, because he's also saved us some typing in this matter. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:16:01 GMT On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:29:21 -0500, Chris Hamilton wrote: >On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:23:46 -0400, "JOHN MITCHELL" > wrote: > >> >>JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message >>> >>> Well we tested it next to a Sinclair chanter and >>> found that it was........ >> >>... not what the Vendor claimed it to be! > >Hmm, thanks for the info, John. I tried one out, VERY briefly, less >than 15 minutes, in Oklahoma, so I can only comment very generally. > >Volume: It WAS noticeably louder than my band Shepherd, with the same >reeds. 1.5 times louder? Well, I don't know. Everyone agrees so far except Mr. Mitchell and friend. > >Tone: Good, I got the pitch up to 475 with the reed cranked way in. >I'm afraid that was higher than designed to play, though and many >reeds you probably couldn't get it up there. "Designed" is a misnomer here. It's "intoned" to play at that pitch. The basic design is unchanged by moving all the holes up 1/8", which is all you have to do if you really want a higher pitch. You could rebalance it as is with hole size or some moving of the upperhand, but the crux of this argument is Dave and Charlie have one idea where the pitch should be, and it's detractors have a radically different other. I should also note that the Sinclair most likely being tried against this chanter has been reamed and whittled brutally and taped all the hell to get it up to what these fans consider a "good tone." You could do the same with the Kron and you'd have the same result. As far as whittling goes, the dremel works great on phenolic, and so does the little round bastard--file that is, not John. > >Balance: Several reeds I tried would have needed extreme taping on the >top hand to even get in the ballpark. One was not bad and was pretty >true. I think you'll recall a few years back when the Warnocks and Caldwells and the little thin-lipped, narrow, stubby reeds were all being used to jack up the pitch of those Sinclairs Mr. Mitchell now holds up as his example, because *those* chanters were "dull toned." Then they were carved on top of that. Now we have new chanters that are naturally high pitched like the Gibson, and you have to put fat wide reeds in them like the Shepherd to get the tone low and thick enough. In any case, this problem is an aesthetic one, a psycho-acoustic one, and it really comes down to deciding which reed type to use and what pitch to play at. It's not a design or tone problem. > >Feel: Excellent. Great finger spacing and a comfortable fit and >finger response. > >Overall: I'd need to play it a LOT more to make any kind of judgment >/ recommendation. Yup. More than a quick once-over. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 17:08:32 -0400 > >You bet the invitation is still open! Just don't forget to bring your pipe >as "Maeve's Bed and Breakfast" is up and running!!!!!! You might want to >talk with Zu first though .. . .he knows the scoop! Seems the guests here >"check in but they don't check out". And I'm acquiring a large collection of >pipes . . . . Hmmmm.........I haven't given my Henderson's a name.........but they have developed an attachment to me............have to think about this......... but highland games in Nov thru April.....I don't think they can be traditional.......... youse guys sure are "different" Spinning your own kilt ?...this is real authenticity.........do you kep your cattle in a wee room off the kitchen ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:24:23 GMT On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:43:29 -0500, madman wrote: >What Db meter were you using? >Or did you just use your ear to determine a precise sound pressure level >at a given distance? >According to my readings,using an Otari SPM,a 1989 Sinclair was putting >out 115 >DB at 10 inches...the Phenolic was putting out 119 Db... >Volume is logarithmic....not linear. That mean each number be twice louder than last. >> Second point, the chanter had a dull, very course sound to it as >> compared to the Sinclair. >Ha ha ha..you can't be serious. > It didn't have the same crack and clarity >> that the sinclair gives. New Sinclair or carved up former Strathclyde Sinclair? Sinclair ended up doing the same thing you might have to Dave, to keep the Mitchells of the world from carving all your holes. >> On the positive side, it was a well balanced chanter and I think >> if the pitch were brought up, it might solve alot of the clarity >> problems which would also give it a sweeter tone. >More crap.... Acoustically it's crap, but psycho-acoustically the man represents a whole large class of piper, some of them very very good, who just insist on a chanter playing at whatever the pitch of the day is and that's the *only* thing they'll hear. If that's lower than what they're comparing it to, it's bad. I don't know what you can do about it other than concede to that market prejudice, with all its ills. >> I'm still not convinced that this material has any advantages >> over the traditional Blackwood Chanter in terms of Volume, >> and due to the hardness of the material it would also make it >> difficult to modify or carve holes on the day of the games. >More crap...phenolic actually carves *better* than wood,due to the fact >that >you are not carving against a grained material. >Its common sense. >You're way too predictable...... Well, I guess you'll just have to move your holes around from day to day depending on what bigshot PM is making demands on you, like Gibson does. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:05:45 GMT On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:10:47 GMT, markalee@my-deja.com wrote: >In article <381cd0fb_5@news.newsfeeds.com>, > "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >> First point, the chanter did not produce one and a half times >> the volume of a standard chanter. We tested a few reeds of >> various strengths and different makes. I'm not sure I've heard that it was supposed to be that much louder, but John's claim that it isn't *any* louder is nonsense. *Everyone* who's stuck a reed into mine has immediately remarked how much louder it was. "Vibrant" or "bright" are the two works most used to describe the initial impression. One guy had to take it outdoors to hear it, then came back and said, "It doesn't lose it's projection outside." As far as the pitch goes, it wallows in the bottom of the acceptable "modern" range with the Shepherd most guys stuff in it, but it does play very full and true with a Shepherd and it is loud. >> Second point, the chanter had a dull, very course sound to it as >> compared to the Sinclair. It didn't have the same crack and clarity >> that the sinclair gives. The phenolic chanter really fails to >> give any good projection or overall presentation. I'm going to talk about reeds on Hamilton's post. >Funny, your observations are 180 degrees out from the review given it >by one of the world's finest pipers at Yukon who commented that it was >"quite bright." > >> The tone holes seem to be located further down the chanter than usual, > >High-A and high-G are *exactly* the same distance from the reed-seat as >my Naill. Guess Naill better shape-up to the Mitchell standard too. > >> and the walls are thick as I suspect this is due to the fact that >> the material is brittle with no elasticity. > >Actually, this material outperforms Delrin across the board in its >mechanical properties. Well, I don't think you could beat a blackwood chanter very many times against the side of the workbench and get away with a little crinkle in it. I got the one that underwent destructive testing and while you could argue that thinning the top diameter out would make it feel more like a Sinclair and the superstitious like Mr. Mitchell would believe the wood was vibrating better because it was thinner, thus, the tone would radiate better from the chanter, it's not delicate by any stretch of the imagination and "brittle" hardly describes it at all. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:30:08 GMT On 01 Nov 1999 09:09:03 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>And please don't call the game with a half >>> a dozen. We've got forever. Put the word out some more and wait a >>> while. >> >>I agree, there is no rush here! > >This is an omen... when Mitch and Royce agree on something, were doomed! ;?)~ >But I agree with both of em' that there is no hurry. > >>Remember this is not a contest, it's an experiment to see >>what people are using and what results their getting >>from it. > >But if there's a "winner" then it must be a contest. Correct? No, I don't think the term "winner" is all that important, more a question of perusing a lot of different samples and hearing the different approaches. It's human nature to have preferences and seeing what those preferences are is part of the experiment, and naturally one will be preferred more, but that's not the beauty of the concept at all. Names and info are almost mandatory, but only after a period of blind listening so expectations are set aside, then the revelation of the specific setups and players/owners would have some entertainment value beyond just knowing everything and everyone all at once. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:32:15 GMT On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:02:49 -0000, "lsrapm" wrote: >Incidentally some people have asked about putting in more than one entry >because they have more than one set-up. I don't see any problem with that. Yes, In my mind that's the charm, hearing more setups and even setups by the same people for a sample of the diversity, and not a "contest" where each contributor feels obligated to put the absolute best "entry" in. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:34:34 GMT On 01 Nov 1999 09:09:41 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>That's BS Bill. There are over 100 pipers and drummers in my town >>alone "here." >> >>Royce > >On the NG? There are four bands now, actually five, and two of those have web sites and the rest are made up of all the guys in those two anyway. Anything that goes to this NG goes to every piper and drummer in the Metropolitan area, and in fact, the entire state. There are probably 250 pipers and drummers in the state/region within a couple hours drive, and they're *all* connected to the NG even if it means reading hard copy at band practice, or passing NG BS at the pub afterward. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 17:31:56 -0400 "Ewan A. Macpherson" wrote: > > Judgements of perceived loudness (L) vs. sound intensity (I) tend to follow the > relationship L = k*I^(0.3), that is loudness is proportional to intensity to > the power of 0.3. This gives the result that a 10 dB difference in sound > level gives roughly a doubling in subjective loudness. > > From Dave's measurements, the intensity of the Phenolic was higher than the > Sinclair by a factor of 10^((119-115)/10) = 2.51. (The amplitude would be > higher by a factor of sqrt(2.51) = 1.58) > > So the loudness should be higher by a factor of about (2.51)^(0.3) = 1.32, > i.e. approximately 32% louder. That's exactly what I was about to say. Doug C. -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. -- Mignon McLaughlin - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:36:12 GMT On 01 Nov 1999 09:21:49 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>How did you find this out? >> > >I'm trying to recall that, but the memorys kind of hazy. It was in a post on >here, but I can't recall much except the numbers now... No, what happened there, is somebody wanted to count noses and said, hey email me if you're on the list (before the NG even) and that's about how many responses he got. That only reflects people on the list that feel like emailing some guy who wants a nosecount, not how many people are on the list/NG. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:59:06 GMT >No, what happened there, is somebody wanted to count noses and said, >hey email me if you're on the list (before the NG even) and that's >about how many responses he got. That only reflects people on the list >that feel like emailing some guy who wants a nosecount, not how many >people are on the list/NG. > >Royce Your probably right (Sorry John LOL) since I used to be on "the list". Thats starting to evoke memorys (mostly of wild parties with lots of drinking, usually ending in wild drunken orgys, but some hazy ones about "the list" are there too) and my count may have come from there, before we were assimilated into RMMB. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:11:20 GMT > As far as >whittling goes, the dremel works great on phenolic, and so does the >little round bastard--file that is, not John. LMAO! But if I get John to carve my chanter next season wouldn't that count? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:05:07 GMT >Sounds like Utah is becoming the piping center of the US all of a sudden. Someone go to Mitchs house and resusitate him.... ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:55:11 GMT >Also, after they've been blown in (about 6-7 hours of playing), the old >Wygents take no more air than cane. Retongued Wygents (Zudupiper reeds) take no more air than cane, and have a blowing-in period of less than an hour. Maybe my business is going to double, now that the DUA-TONE is here... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 02 Nov 1999 00:07:23 GMT >Retongued Wygents (Zudupiper reeds) take no more air than cane, and have a >blowing-in period of less than an hour. Oh yeah, they *seem* have have better harmonics and a richer tone too. One of my students is playing EZs, and the other is playing Zu's. Identical pipes except for that....Kron drones and chanter, hide bag, watertrap, comparable chanter reed strengths. I played each set, and each of the students played each set and we all listened. Zu reeds seem to give more zing or something than EZs do. The next step is for the student with the Zu's to buy standard Wygents, play them in and THEN decide which sounds better. If we agree Wygents are better, I take the Zu reeds back (he only had them on spec anyway). If the Zus are better, he pays me, keeps them and gives me the Wygents. Then I'll see if I can get the same tone out of a fresh set of Wygents. At the very worst, Zu reeds circumvent the Wygent long blow-in period. At the best, they sound better, but that hasn't been established yet. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 00:25:54 -0000 I need some help on two fronts. First is a reel that has just been introduced into our set called - Mo Chuachag Laglach Thu - what does this mean. The second is a slogan for our band - the band is called 'The Surrey Pipe Band' - is there anything close in Gaelic. I doubt it but are there any suggestions. Thanks is advance. -- Peter Anderson - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 01 Nov 1999 17:57:25 -0800 Peter Anderson wrote in message news:941502659.13486.0.nnrp-10.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > > I need some help on two fronts. > > First is a reel that has just been introduced into our set called - Mo > Chuachag Laglach Thu - what does this mean. Hmmmmm.....well, "Mo" is "My" and "Thu" is informal for "you" of course, but I've never seen the rest..... ..are you sure "Laglach" isn't "Laghach" (tidy, neat)? Or might it be two words? If it's actually two words, then it's either a hollow duck (decoy, I assume) or a weak duck. "Lag" = hollow OR weak "Lach" = duck I can't even guess what "Chuachag" could be. Could you check the spelling for the phrase again? > > The second is a slogan for our band - the band is called 'The Surrey Pipe > Band' - is there anything close in Gaelic. > I doubt it but are there any suggestions. You mean a direct translation from English to Scots Gaelic of "The Surrey Pipe Band?" -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:51:01 GMT FWIW, I made my files and sent them off to Chris Eyre and also to my computer at work, which is much bettter-equipped than mine at home. I was surprised at how decent the file played back, considering that I had taped myself on cassette then played back the cassette tape and recorded the sound file through the cheesy headphone mic. The down side, though, is that it seems to be hard to tell much from the file. You hear tuned drones and a proper chanter setup, but the depth of tone doesn't seem to come across very well. But that's jsut me. I'm thinking that maybe this is a contest to see who has the best sound recorder. Because anybody who's going to be entering this thing is going to have tuned drones and a properly-balanced chanter, and that's 90% of what you can hear on the file. Or my file anyway. Still fun though. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time Out Date: 01 Nov 1999 22:06:52 -0500 Yes, as a matter of fact. I'm just back into it now and hope that my instructor will finally return my phone calls to set up lesson nights again. Anyway, right after Altamont, I returned home on Sunday of that weekend to find that a group of "friends" were ganging up on me behind my back for no really good reason, the week before, I was relieved of my job and on Labor Day, my mother told us all that she wished to pass on peacefully (gratefully, she decided against that and is fine!). Needless to say, that I took the entire month of Sept. and most of Oct. off from piping to get things sorted out. I'm very keen to get back into it now... funny how things like that work out. Bill Burt Bill Carr wrote in message <381B18E5.5CBB2D3C@of.telia.no>... >Have any of you ever taken time out from bagpiping and then come back >with a new enthusiasm, fresh outlook, etc.? > >After a couple of months of waning passion for the instrument I've just >made the decision. I've carefully oiled and packed away the pipes and >removed most everything else to do with piping "out of sight". > >There are still a lot of loose ends, like a new set of pipes on order >and an old set being restored so I'll still be involved, in some way, >for a while. > >After almost five years of obsessive indulgence in piping this is going >to be very strange but hopefully I'll be back with a vengeance in the >New Year. If not? Well.... then there will be two classic sets of pipes >plus a new set on the market, plus pile of odds and ends. > >Wish me luck > >Cheers > >Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:17:47 -0500 JSLOANPR wrote in message news:19991101154048.02712.00000056@ng-ce1.aol.com... > Glad I brought over my own beer to her table. My St Joseph's medal protected me > from potions and spells. > I forewarn any grade 4 competitors in OCALA next week. But, Hon . . . your warning MIGHT be a little late. You see, about a month ago, I sent some suggestions to Earl who was having problems with his drone reeds. Seems Earl will be competiting with Dave and me in Ocala, too!!! Hey, Earl . . . how's the drones?!?!? ;) :) :) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 01 Nov 1999 20:21:55 -0800 don't think so, Dave...when you see and hear these reeds, you may have to find a new line of work. Piob. Soc. books off tomorrow. IS Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991101185511.16625.00001096@ng-fk1.aol.com... > >Also, after they've been blown in (about 6-7 hours of playing), the old > >Wygents take no more air than cane. > > Retongued Wygents (Zudupiper reeds) take no more air than cane, and have a > blowing-in period of less than an hour. > > Maybe my business is going to double, now that the DUA-TONE is here... > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 01 Nov 1999 23:24:25 -0500 dnimmo wrote in message news:s1s0s6f8qof53@corp.supernews.com... > but highland games in Nov thru April.....I don't think they can be > traditional.......... > youse guys sure are "different" Let's see. . . I'll be at Ocala, Orlando, Jacksonville, Sarasota, and Dunedin this year. . . THOSE will definately be different ;) :) :) Come on down and check it out for yourself! I hear that Bobby is making his way back too :) > Spinning your own kilt ?...this is real authenticity.........do you kep your > cattle in a wee room off the kitchen ? Yes, I am spinning and weaving my own kilt . . .my family tartan. But I'm not sure that I'll have it done in this lifetime. I have given instructions to my family as to which storage unit to put this in when I die . . . that way I'll know where to go to get it when I come back and won't have to spend half a lifetime trying to find the stuff again! No, there is no cow here, although there were thoughts of a Highland cattle for a while. I'm hoping to find a Clydesdale in Ocala. . . I've been looking for one over the last 6 months and they have the Clydes competitions there. His name will be Dundee. . . from where my family came :) :) He'll have the run of the front yard . . hope HE likes the pipes as much as cows do!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sirj1314@aol.com (SirJ1314) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 07:22:18 GMT Why do you guys make piping in Utah such a big joke? Despite what some of you may think, we do have some good instuction out here. By the way, if anyone wants to know more about the Masters Invatational, I know all about it. The players will get about 15 minutes to play whatever they want, and it must be creative. They will be judged on several aspects. 3 judges will only make up 30% of the voting, the other 70% will be left to the audience. The 3 judges as far as I know will be, Terry Lee, Neil Dickie, and Jim Detjen. The winner recieves a large cash prize and tickets to Oban. (I think) If you want to know who will be playing, e-mail me, I have a list somewhere. Off the top of my head I know Jack Lee, Alan Bevan, Robert Matheison, Stuart Liddell, will be there. I can't remember everyone else right now, but players finishing in the top half will be invited back next year, and others will be invited to fill the rest of the places. I think this is how it will work every year. This is just what I was told by Jim Detjen last week and band practice, he is organizing this, so things might change a bit, I don't know for sure. E-mail me if you have any other questions. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "André Mittun" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time Out Date: 02 Nov 1999 10:38:35 +0100 I rather think that you should spent less time in this NG. The spare time could be used in playing the pipes. It can't be much time you have left to practice compared to the time you use here. ;-) Regards André ************************************** André Mittun, Andre_Mittun@vip.cybercity.dk The Heather Pipes & Drums of Copenhagen http://www.heather.dk Bill Carr wrote in message <381B18E5.5CBB2D3C@of.telia.no>... >Have any of you ever taken time out from bagpiping and then come back >with a new enthusiasm, fresh outlook, etc.? > >After a couple of months of waning passion for the instrument I've just >made the decision. I've carefully oiled and packed away the pipes and >removed most everything else to do with piping "out of sight". > >There are still a lot of loose ends, like a new set of pipes on order >and an old set being restored so I'll still be involved, in some way, >for a while. > >After almost five years of obsessive indulgence in piping this is going >to be very strange but hopefully I'll be back with a vengeance in the >New Year. If not? Well.... then there will be two classic sets of pipes >plus a new set on the market, plus pile of odds and ends. > >Wish me luck > >Cheers > >Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition - "Angus" Date: 02 Nov 1999 10:23:29 GMT >I was wondering - does anybody know what name John Mitchell has for his >bagpipes? > >(other than !&@%&^#!*&!#) > He calls them "His woman".(don't ask...) Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:43:57 GMT > Sounds like Utah is becoming the piping center of the US all of a sudden. > What with the recent Yukon festival in Oklahoma and all, there may yet be > hope for lowly Arkansas as well. No. Sadly, there is no hope for Arkansas whatsoever. Sorry. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:19:37 -0000 -- Peter Anderson Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid) wrote in message news:381e4412$0$241@nntp1.ba.best.com... > Peter Anderson wrote in message > news:941502659.13486.0.nnrp-10.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > > > > I need some help on two fronts. > > > > First is a reel that has just been introduced into our set called - Mo > > Chuachag Laglach Thu - what does this mean. > > Hmmmmm.....well, "Mo" is "My" and > "Thu" is informal for "you" of course, but I've never seen the rest..... > > ..are you sure "Laglach" isn't "Laghach" (tidy, neat)? > > Or might it be two words? If it's actually two words, then it's either a > hollow duck (decoy, I assume) or a weak duck. > > "Lag" = hollow OR weak > "Lach" = duck > > I can't even guess what "Chuachag" could be. Could you check the > spelling for the phrase again? > > snip>> Sorry I did get a bit wrong (late at night and too much Scottish Wine AGAIN -;) I have the music in front of me and I am sober, so here goes:- "Mo Chuachag Laghach Thu" > > > > > The second is a slogan for our band - the band is called 'The Surrey Pipe > > Band' - is there anything close in Gaelic. > > I doubt it but are there any suggestions. > > You mean a direct translation from English to Scots Gaelic of > "The Surrey Pipe Band?" > > snip>> Yes please. We are having a design made up for the band, pipe banners, drum and hat badges. The whole thing looks very good, but rather than having the band name repeated on the cap badge I thought we could have a 'near' translation in Gaelic. Many thanks for your response. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Moonstar Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:24:06 GMT Charles Glendinning wrote it. You might contact him and ask where you can get a copy. He also wrote McRae Meadow, another good 4/4 march, well worth you time to learn and play. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:37:05 GMT >.If thats not trickery I don't what is. > Sam S. Sounds like sour grapes to me. The two instances you described did not involve either tricks or skullduggery. Maybe bad judging, maybe biased judging, maybe even evidence of something more serious, but not tricks. You initial point merits serious discussion. We certainly should require our judges to be competant and honest. If a person undertakes to judge, he should expect to distance himself from the fray, both with respect to financial interests (Bob Shepherd) and band involvement. But, Sam, your two instances of "tricks" do not pass muster. You'll have to do better than this. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Moonstar Date: 02 Nov 1999 07:14:18 -0500 On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:39:38 GMT, clayno@iaw.on.ca (Norman J. Haigh) wrote: >Does anyone know the tune Moonstar or where I might find it? Moonstar was written by Charlie Glendinning, P/S of the City of Washington band. It is published in Rob McNeil's collection. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Question Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:56:33 -0000 -- Peter Anderson Glenn Campbell wrote in message news:mwAT3.10960$H%5.418065@sapphire.mtt.net... > Has anyone on this NG tried the clanrye plastic pipe chanter reed for the > GHB? I would be interested in any comments. How does it compare to cane? > > The Scots Guards tried these out a while back, within a week they were all removed and junked. Forget them, they are crap - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:00:49 GMT >No. Sadly, there is no hope for Arkansas whatsoever. Sorry. > In terms of piping? Or just in general? LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:51:49 GMT In article , "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > If you've been having problems with too much volume with regular Wygents, > you can adjust them by shortening the tongues and screwing in the tuning > pin. > Bill Burt wrote in message > news:7vk1nc$u9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net... > > I'd be interested to know how they are in terms of volume. My chief > > complaint with the old Wygent reeds is that, apart from taking too much > air, > > they're just too loud for solo playing, Screwing the tuning pin "in" tends to increase the volume, not decrease it. This also tends to raise the pitch of the reed. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 15:06:00 GMT Bagpiip wrote in message news:19991102090049.01983.00000316@ng-cj1.aol.com... > >No. Sadly, there is no hope for Arkansas whatsoever. Sorry. > > > > In terms of piping? Or just in general? LOL Yes. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: H.Starck Practice chanter Date: 02 Nov 1999 07:57:30 -0800 William Ross (not related to Willie Ross of the Ross Colection) was Piper to Queen Victoria from 1856 to about 1890; he replaced Angus MacKay who went crazy and was institutionalised. William Ross made a bit of money from endorsements as Queen's Piper - obviously from Starck, an instrument maker (mostly clarinets and oboes) in London at the time. IS Mike Le Boeuf wrote in message news:381E980D.3733@worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > I have had an old practice chanter, and just recently started using it > again, ever since I baught it, the top had Black waxed hemp wraped > around it, and black tape. So I didnt want to take it off, figuring it > would leak air. > Well tonight I took it off, and it did leak, alot, and the wax from the > hemp hardened and left marks all around the practice chanter. So I was > thinking, i will just sand it off, untill I saw some writing under all > of the black wax. > It has a picture of a Cross, and below it says > H. Starck > 31 Drummond Road (I think) > LONDON > N.W > Maker To The > Late W. Ross > > Then a stamp of a Crown is Below that. > Does anyone know anything about this Practice chanter? or why it may say > this? and who was W. Ross? > Thanks, > Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement Date: 02 Nov 1999 16:23:15 GMT >I just wanted to take a second to blatantly endorse the work of Peter >Crisler. > Me to. He put an "imitation silver" sole on a Gibson blackwood chanter, and both the cutting on the bottom of the chanter and the sole itself were quality pieces of work. He additionally duplicated a broken sole for Hardie bw chanter, imitation ivory, and that also was quality work. I am NOT a judge of pipes, so this is not an endorsement, but I have seen a set of Crisler pipes and examined them closely, and they were to appearance and examination a quality piece of work. He will get further business from me in the coming years. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for Carol of the Bells Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:25:24 -0500 Ahh, but just the thing for your average Ukrainian bagpipe choir. Make sure the Bass bagpipes get the melody once in a while though. "James N. Stewart" wrote: > The melody is monotonous consisting almost entirely of the original motif. > The charm of the tune is in the harmony and the canon-like arrangements. > You could, perhps, make a passable pipe arrangement in tow or three parts, > but there wold be no point in simply setting the melody because it's dull; > Phillip Glass could have written it. > > BPIPEDOG wrote in message > news:19991101113838.01693.00000028@ng-cg1.aol.com... > > The header says it all. Any help would be greatful. > > > > Bill - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:03:05 -0400 Ccc31807 wrote in message <19991102112315.11414.00000192@ng-fa1.aol.com>... >>I just wanted to take a second to blatantly endorse the work of Peter >>Crisler. >> > >Me to. Who ?....where ? ........Aus....UK......US ? david - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition - "Angus" Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:18:01 -0400 Bagpiip wrote in message <19991102052329.11727.00000106@ng-cj1.aol.com>... >>I was wondering - does anybody know what name John Mitchell has for his >>bagpipes? >He calls them "His woman".(don't ask...) You HAVE heard the story of the "mature" bachelor piper who was seen to be spending an inordinate amount of time in the company of a rather attractive spinster................ when questioned about it and his possible future intentions in that regard (possible marriage)..........he turned incredulously to his questioner and replied, .............. "WHO ME ? I have enough truble wae ma reeds ! " David (Not sure but I might have got that out of COP Tutor Vol 2 !) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwinh@aol.com (MwinH) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 02 Nov 1999 18:32:47 GMT What!!! Jack Lee admonished everyone at the Nicol-Brown competition last year to never use plastic reeds or rubber bags. He was emphatic on the point!!! >Stick with Ezeedrones, a lot of people would agree 100% with what you said >there. Roddy MacLeod, Angus MacColl, Willie MCallum all used them at the >Glenfiddich this past weekend. Possibly Gordon Walker too. Jack Lee was >using >them at the Dan Reid this year too. Martin Hatcher Albany NY USA ..................................................... "Nine Notes? How hard can it be?" - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Question Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:38:59 -0500 > Peter Anderson > Glenn Campbell wrote in message > news:mwAT3.10960$H%5.418065@sapphire.mtt.net... > > Has anyone on this NG tried the clanrye plastic pipe chanter reed for the > > GHB? I would be interested in any comments. How does it compare to cane? > > > > > The Scots Guards tried these out a while back, within a week they were all > removed and junked. > Forget them, they are crap I will give my vote for not using them at higher levels of play as well. I bought one from a supply shop and a different one a year later from a vendor who said they had changed a little for the better. They are really small, more similar to practice chanter reeds than pipe chanter reeds. The pitch is very high. The strength is moderately selectable as you can specifiy how hard you want it to be in advance and then it will be thus. However, since the blades are plastic, you experience the same problems that you have with practice chanter reeds, fireside pipes, shuttle pipes, anything that uses plastic double reeds and is mouth blown: water problems (PC) instability/pressure sensitivity, and unworkablility. You can't do anything about these things, but take them out dry them off just like a PC, you can't work them really or you get into terrible balance problems, and you need to blow very well in the first place. And they are like $40-50 or something each if I recall HOWEVER: here is what I use them for: When I get a new student, I start them out on pipes with a set of plastiuc Dunbar pipes that I have used on all of my new students for the past 10 years. It is beat up, but works great. Plastic chanter, plastic EZ drones, Clanrye reed. When the student takes these home the drone reeds do not swell and shut off, the chanter reed does not get harder and softer. Neither the drones nor the chanter change pitch appreciably from playing time to the next time. I mark the tuning pins with a piece of tape and tell them to set them up there before they play. It works great. So, in essence I make sure that new students do not have to deal with a fickle instrument since they wouldn;t know how to assess or fix anything anyway. I think we all remember how frsutrating it was to take the pipe shome from a lesson and try to fire up the next day only to have nothing work, everything shut off, the chanter sound bad, but not know how to fix anything. So what do you do? Either screw around with everything and probably be no better off, or just not play at all since it is just too frustrating. The new student can't tell that the pitch is high and whiney. They are still trying to deal with pressure steadiness. So, I would not use the things for normal advanced play, but using them for my students has been great, for them... Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bo Møller-Nielsen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time Out Date: 02 Nov 1999 19:57:51 +0100 André, What is it with you and the English language ? I'm not going to mention the Ringo incident, but I can assure you that Bill Carr is not talking about lack of time. What he is saying - in plain English - is that he lack enthusiasm. Witch basically means that he don't enjoy playing he's pipes. And in Danish for André Hvad er det med dig og Engelsk ? Jeg vil undlade at komme ind på Ringo tilfaeldet, men jeg kan forsikre dig om at Bill Carr paa intet tidspunkt taler om mangel paa tid. Hvad han siger - paa simpelt Engelsk - er at han har mistet lysten til at spille paa sin saekkepibe. If I was ever given the choice of being a nice guy or a good piper - I would chose being a nice guy. But I would love being both. I'm not going to say what choice you made André. Cheers Bo -- Bo Moeller-Nielsen André Mittun skrev i meddelelsen ... >I rather think that you should spent less time in this NG. The spare time >could be used in playing the pipes. > >It can't be much time you have left to practice compared to the time you use >here. ;-) > >Regards >André >************************************** >André Mittun, Andre_Mittun@vip.cybercity.dk >The Heather Pipes & Drums of Copenhagen >http://www.heather.dk > > > >Bill Carr wrote in message <381B18E5.5CBB2D3C@of.telia.no>... >>Have any of you ever taken time out from bagpiping and then come back >>with a new enthusiasm, fresh outlook, etc.? >> >>After a couple of months of waning passion for the instrument I've just >>made the decision. I've carefully oiled and packed away the pipes and >>removed most everything else to do with piping "out of sight". >> >>There are still a lot of loose ends, like a new set of pipes on order >>and an old set being restored so I'll still be involved, in some way, >>for a while. >> >>After almost five years of obsessive indulgence in piping this is going >>to be very strange but hopefully I'll be back with a vengeance in the >>New Year. If not? Well.... then there will be two classic sets of pipes >>plus a new set on the market, plus pile of odds and ends. >> >>Wish me luck >> >>Cheers >> >>Bill Carr > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Question Date: 02 Nov 1999 12:22:02 -0800 ACK...BARF!!! as Bill the cat would say (didn't know he was a piper, did you?) Glenn Campbell wrote in message news:mwAT3.10960$H%5.418065@sapphire.mtt.net... > Has anyone on this NG tried the clanrye plastic pipe chanter reed for the > GHB? I would be interested in any comments. How does it compare to cane? > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: H.Starck Practice chanter Date: 02 Nov 1999 12:24:59 -0800 There's obviously more than one William Ross! David Keenan wrote in message news:381F11F5.29FD533@celticfire.com... > > > Iain Sherwood wrote: > > > William Ross (not related to Willie Ross of the Ross Colection) was Piper to > > Queen Victoria from 1856 to about 1890; he replaced Angus MacKay who went > > crazy and was institutionalised. William Ross made a bit of money from > > endorsements as Queen's Piper - obviously from Starck, an instrument maker > > (mostly clarinets and oboes) in London at the time. > > William Ross was also a pipemaker for whom Starck worked. When Ross died Starck > took over the business. For a while he operated out of Dublin. > > Dave Keenan > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for a Chrismass tune Date: 02 Nov 1999 20:47:03 GMT Highland Harmonies Bk1 has Ode to Joy, Bk2 has Jingle Bells, Good King Wenceslaus, The little Drummer Boy. O Come all Ye Faithful, We Three Kings. There used to be a web site with the index of all three Highland Harmony Books, could be more books by now. The harmonies are pretty decent too. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 02 Nov 1999 13:37:56 -0800 Okay, I meant OUT, not IN - I've been working with too many reeds lately.... I've found that the amount of pitch differentiation you achieve with the pin at the back of the reed is very slight compared to using the second pin on the MARK IIs and DUATONE reeds. I used to have to put a lot of hemp on the ferrule (seating area) to bring them to right pitch with a 30" bass and a 15" tenor. IS oshpiper wrote in message news:7vmtq4$21$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article , > "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > > > If you've been having problems with too much volume with regular > Wygents, > > you can adjust them by shortening the tongues and screwing in the > tuning > > pin. > > > Bill Burt wrote in message > > news:7vk1nc$u9$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net... > > > I'd be interested to know how they are in terms of volume. My chief > > > complaint with the old Wygent reeds is that, apart from taking too > much > > air, > > > they're just too loud for solo playing, > > Screwing the tuning pin "in" tends to increase the volume, not decrease > it. This also tends to raise the pitch of the reed. > > Pat > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 02 Nov 1999 16:41:54 -0500 Rojo2G wrote in message news:19991102154957.11863.00000626@ng-fe1.aol.com... > >Ahhhh...pumpkin smashing!! Almost a lost art in some places > Not to mention pushing over outhouses And cow-tipping .. my favorite sport! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 02 Nov 1999 18:15:19 -0400 Maeve wrote: > Rojo2G wrote in message > news:19991102154957.11863.00000626@ng-fe1.aol.com... > > >Ahhhh...pumpkin smashing!! Almost a lost art in some places > > Not to mention pushing over outhouses > > And cow-tipping .. my favorite sport! > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com No wonder those cows confronted you on that hillside. It had NOTHING to do with the pipes... Doug C. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:21:50 -0800 CONNOR2345 wrote in message news:19991102141946.04144.00001008@ng-fh1.aol.com... > i have found cuach in a dictionary,it means cuckoo or ringlet. the h in your > word might be because cuach is lenited after mo making chuach[this is a maybe > as i'm not up to snuff on my grammer]the dictionary has 2 endings fo r Yes, it would leniate when using "Mo"....but the part that bothers me is the trailing "ag" on "Chuachag." > plurals,aiche or an[depending on usage]. so maybe the word used is cuachan > meaning rinlets or cuckoos. I think you're probably right. -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 14:31:06 -0800 Peter Anderson wrote in message news:941551555.26256.0.nnrp-04.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > > > > I can't even guess what "Chuachag" could be. Could you check the > > spelling for the phrase again? > > > > > > snip>> > Sorry I did get a bit wrong (late at night and too much Scottish Wine > AGAIN -;) > I have the music in front of me and I am sober, so here goes:- > "Mo Chuachag Laghach Thu" (chuckle) I know how THAT goes....okay, based on Connor's suggestion of "Chuachag" being the same as "Cuachan" (which I think is totally reaonable) I'd say something on the order of: "You are my pretty ringlet" ....which sounds ridiculous in English, but not too bad in Gaelic. I would suggest that the author was using a hair ringlet as a term of endearment - like mouse, treasure, dear, honey, etc. Literally we have: My ringlet lovely/tidy/neat/pretty you" That's really the best guess I can make.....I suspect that it might be a regional idiom. > Yes please. We are having a design made up for the band, pipe banners, drum > and hat badges. The whole thing looks very good, but rather than having the > band name repeated on the cap badge I thought we could have a 'near' > translation in Gaelic. > Okay, I'm not at all sure what Scots Gaelic uses for Surrey, but I'll check and get back to you. Mar sin leat an drasda, -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 23:13:45 GMT On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:53:09 -0500 (EST), luramao@webtv.net (Luramao) wrote: >Its due to all the groundwork Royce did when he lived in Utah. Now he's >finally seeing results from all his hard efforts to make Utah such a >piping powerhouse! Way to go Royce! ;-) With tongue in cheek, perhaps that's not so far from true, but when I got there there were very eager people willing to take me in and put me to good use, and the BC connection and whole West Coast to the Mississippi network effort has been a long time in the making for sure, and SFU didn't just show up there out of the blue for nothing. Since I've left the area in fact, Salt Lake is littered with pipe bands and there are at least two highland games during the summer. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 15:22:49 -0800 Alasdair Macleod wrote in message news:RI2OUBAOc2H4EwDK@ali-b.demon.co.uk... > In article <19991102141946.04144.00001008@ng-fh1.aol.com>, > CONNOR2345 writes > >i have found cuach in a dictionary,it means cuckoo or ringlet. the h in your > >word might be because cuach is lenited after mo making chuach[this is a maybe > >as i'm not up to snuff on my grammer]the dictionary has 2 endings fo r > >plurals,aiche or an[depending on usage]. so maybe the word used is cuachan > >meaning rinlets or cuckoos. > > -- > making extensive use of my Gaelic dictionary in the absence of any postings > from native speakers > > cuachag- diminutive of cuach (cuckoo), poetical, for a neat melodious-voiced > young girl. Ah, it *is* an idiom then. I didn't think someone would call another literally a "cuckoo" - I went for the alternative definition. > Lagach- fine, decent kind Also "pretty" > > So something like " You are my fine melodious-voiced young girl"?? I would go with "You are my pretty little songbird" Interpretation, not translation, of course. -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 02 Nov 1999 23:16:50 GMT On 02 Nov 1999 07:22:18 GMT, sirj1314@aol.com (SirJ1314) wrote: >Why do you guys make piping in Utah such a big joke? Despite what some of you >may think, we do have some good instuction out here. By the way, if anyone >wants to know more about the Masters Invatational, I know all about it. The >players will get about 15 minutes to play whatever they want, and it must be >creative. They will be judged on several aspects. 3 judges will only make up >30% of the voting, the other 70% will be left to the audience. Hey, now that you mention it, those are almost exactly the rules I posted to the NG or listserve about 4 years ago, and maybe a time or two since! Now all they need is to expand it to a Celtic Small Ensemble contest with a small group of pipers/drummer/and anything else you want in there. Royce Way to go out there in Zion. Somebody finally got off their duff and put it together. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Travel Channel-PEI Date: 02 Nov 1999 08:22:30 -0400 Rob Larson wrote in message <7vlvia$b5p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > Did anybody see the travel show, The Tourist, on the Travel Channel >last week? The host was at PEI and visited the College and got a >chanter lesson from Bruce Gandy and had a blow on the pipes...etc......etc On this same vein, I was into the CBC, On The Road Again web site and one of their upcoming shows this season will feature a "traditional Cape Breton piper" playing and talking about the music his forefathers(forepersons ?) brought over from the islands....no date given..............something to watch for........... David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 02 Nov 1999 20:49:57 GMT >Ahhhh...pumpkin smashing!! Almost a lost art in some places Not to mention pushing over outhouses - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 02 Nov 1999 08:33:16 -0400 David Page wrote in message <1lqT3.46709$7I4.870652@news5.giganews.com>... >Yeah, note to myself, never hire Scotsman to do an American's job. While we >don't necessarily excel at piping we are pretty good at espionage. I should >have made off with Angus myself when I had him in my mits. > Hmmmmm......well..... not as well "advertised", but the highlanders were almost as good cattle stealers as the border Scots............(remember the Rob Roy movie) I doubt that you Yanks could hold a candle to a 'traditional Scottish cattle thief'............the big thing being motivation.............you Yanks are too well fed !..........a big steak, in Scotland, is about 6 ounces........... (this is going to stir up Chris & his buddies) so........as long as Maeve calls him(them) "Angus", she is going to tweak the interest of all good Scots.................. Maeve ! Is Angus from Aberdeen ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 03 Nov 1999 00:26:30 GMT > And cow-tipping .. my favorite sport! We set out to do something different as wee basturds. We set out to foil the handywork of the local neighborhood pumpkin thieves by devising booby traps (we were in friendly competition with the kids on the next street to see how many of each others pumpkins we could smash/steal.) to prevent theft of our pumpkins, thereby freeing us to prowl their street in search of their pumpkins. My buddys was the most effective, he stuck lots of needles through his pumpkin from the inside to the outside, so the needle points faced out. We left his porch lights off and waited, within an hour we heard a scream, and found his pumpkin unmoved, but several needles had been, and a few spots of blood told the tale. This was repeated the next evening by someone else (or a REALLY dumb kid trying it twice), and after that, he had the safest pumpkin in town. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement Date: 03 Nov 1999 01:25:25 GMT >Who ?....where ? ........Aus....UK......US ? david Peter Crisler / PETER'S PIPES http://home.att.net/~peter.crisler Louisville Pipe Band http://users.aol.com/louavullpb/2.htm - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 03 Nov 1999 01:49:39 GMT >Even if you look at a big fat hairy ass just right . . . . It has a center >too! Are you speaking from deep personal study of the subject? ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 03 Nov 1999 02:41:40 GMT > the situation > regarding judging is sadly very negative. So you say. But for "proof" you offer the "fact" that one judge gave a competitor a first place finish and the other judge gave the competitor a last place finish. Then you tell us about the Irish band. Well, Sam, this is great for conversation, but is irrelevant as to judging. Judges can be (1) incompetant, (2) dishonest, (3) biased, or (4) injudicious. You started out saying that you had evidence that some or all of these conditions existed, but when pressed, you offered only matters of opinion, in an area where only opinion counts (i.e., The work product of a judge is merely his opinion as to the rank of the competitors, rather than some sort of objective measurement.) Bentley Wall has given serious thought to means of making judging more objective. I think that this effort must fail, because our art (such as it is) is inherently impossible to measure objectively. On the other hand, for judging to mean anything at all, we must articulate objective criteria (out of tune, mushy strike-ins, missed embellishments, etc.) so we can have some idea as to what the judges are really judging. In my opinion (and I stand ready to be corrected) you seem to be just belly-aching about who is winning and who is losing. If you have some concrete evidence of incompetence or dishonesty among judges, tell us. Otherwise, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. My point as to transparance was this: If a particular judge consistantly gives scores out of the range of the other judges, and this fact is given the publicity it deserves, the judge will find himself judging fewer and fewer contests, so that to some extent the situation is self correcting. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 02 Nov 1999 18:14:20 -0900 Robert Barker wrote: > I am looking forward to hearing examples of what people think is good sound > and what isn't and why. This could provide a great learning tool for me to > help improve my overall tone so the assumption that anyone entering is going > to have a properly balanced set of pipes is not a wise one (at least in my > case!). > I agree with Bob. I think the potential for this excercise as a learning tool has been underestimated. I'd like to see comments/suggestions on each sound file, and a chance for the contributor to re-submit a new and improved version. Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Date: 02 Nov 1999 19:28:31 -0800 Okay, for "Surrey Pipe Band", there really isn't anyway I'd trust myself to put it together. And there really isn't an equivalent for "Surrey" but.... cómhlan (c/omhlan if you don't see the accent) ...is a group or band piob ...is "pipe" as in "bagpipe" (pioban is the plural) "cómhlan pioban Surrey" perhaps? I'm just guessing at the construction here. Sorry I'm not more help - this just doesn't come up in conversation very often. :/ Gabh mo leisgul. :( (Sorry) -- ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 03 Nov 1999 03:40:41 GMT >Piob. Soc. books off tomorrow. Shirts were done today...I'll be mailing them off tomorrow, along with a check. Let me know which shirt the Mrs likes better....; ) Dave - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 03 Nov 1999 03:54:14 GMT >I don't necessarily agree here, Zu. I entered a sound file with only two >years of piping experience. I didn't see anything about suggested minimum >qualifications or experience and I thought that the purpose was to get to >hear sound bytes from a wide variety of people and set ups That's not what I'm saying...No, there's no minimum qualification/ experience at all. What I'm saying is that you ought to be able to blow tone on a well-set-up pipe for the duration of the sample. Otherwise, you're not providing enough information for anybody to make a "tone" judgment. That's the point of the whole experiment. I listened to the file I made, and it sounds like...a bagpipe recording. Not untuned, not unbalanced. Everybody's sample file is going to sound a lot like it. I have cheesy recording capability anyway, and that's pretty much what comes across on the tape. Nothing glaringly wrong, but also hard to tell what's RIGHT as far as depth or color of tone. >the assumption that anyone entering is going >to have a properly balanced set of pipes is not a wise one (at least in my >case!). And even if you do, I don't know how well it's going to come across due to the vagaries of different recording equipment. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 03 Nov 1999 04:01:53 GMT >I already know about >the Black Watch at Ticonderoga. I think the BW was also at New Orleans in 1812, at least according to "Buccaneer". The UK didn't award battle honors during the Rev War(because they lost), so looking it up gets a little harder. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 02 Nov 1999 20:07:21 -0800 > My point as to transparance was this: If a particular judge consistantly gives > scores out of the range of the other judges, and this fact is given the > publicity it deserves, the judge will find himself judging fewer and fewer > contests, so that to some extent the situation is self correcting. > If, however, that particular individual favours those who use the products he manufactures or sells, then there is a viable conflict of interest. That is the crux of the Shepherd matter, and unfortunately there are several others in his 'camp' who can be grouped with him. As long as the fiduciary problem remains, and the monetary influence is there, these people will SILL be carrying the clipboards. IS - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Shirts! Date: 03 Nov 1999 04:17:21 GMT Picked them up today from the screen printer, and will be mailing them off tomorrow. The "Pants" shirts look particularly snappy (just the right shade of blue and green ink on the offwhite shirt). The others ("Louder", Piob, and E/S/P) are all on grey shirts and in ink colors I've used before...tried and true classic colors. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Saffron Kilts Annual Pipers Ball Date: 02 Nov 1999 21:20:42 -0800 will there be complementary ambulance rides home after? IS - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) NG Badge pin! Date: 03 Nov 1999 00:34:19 -0500 Well, my part of this project is coming to a close! With over 100 hours of my time into this pin, I've had more than enough time to have some deep thoughts on this subject! There were many a moment that I sat wondering why I was doing this. The answer was clear. . . while we are like a family, with all of the bickering and fighting, I also know where I can come to get great information regarding my passion of live. . . PIPES! So, with that in mind, I trudged forward. I am more than pleased with the results and would LOVE to share them with you all. However . .. I need the best computer geeks in the world to come to the aid of your humble pin designer! Since I got this new system, I have been unable to use my scanner!!!! HELP!!!!! Is there anyone who can assist me in scanning this thing? Now, I thought it fair to share the progress of this pin. In the 100 hours (yes, Zu, I underestimated this by about 60 hours!), there have been 5 molds produced to get it to the right size with the right detailing. The transitions of this process go from positive sculpture to negative mold and back to positive casting then back to detailing. Tonight I was able to proceed to the final stage and pour a negative rubber on the 1:1 prototype! The official pin size is 1 7/8" x 21/2". The rubber will take 24 hours to cure. At this time, I will pour 3 or 4 plaster castings and forward the mold to Dan . . another NG volunteer, who will be making the wax positives for the casting. This process is called a "lost wax" process that the jeweler will use in the production! So you can see this has been a long, but rewarding, process. The rubber tonight was the 6th mold production!!! For those of you who have been on the ground floor of this process, I was able to open the background of the pin so the "a" in @ is free standing and it looks GREAT! Zu will be able to give more details on this as far as price and delivery time when Dan receives the prototype from me. Any new people who are interested in purchasing one of these pins should contact Zu. . . our fearless leader in this expedition!!!! I believe the website address to see the original pin is something like: http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/pin5.jpg. If you can't get it there, try pin4 or something. . anyone remember? Now I will be able to clear my counter tops of RMMB paraphernalia and get on with life!!!! No more changes can be made at this point so there is no room for any comments other than "atta girl!" :) :) :) :) It's been fun and rewarding. . .I think everyone will be pleased with the results. If you aren't, I don't want to hear about it ;) :) :) :) The next time that I need to pay penitence to the NG for anything, I'll opt for the scourging and horsehair shirt! Now, back to practice for Ocala. . . . . . -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Date: 03 Nov 1999 00:15:45 -0800 Try the Seaforth's book -- just recently reprinted (I think). Tasty Settings in this book; lots of two parted tunes very well arranged. I really like this book. Cheers Todd Muscat wrote in message news:381FE45A.6A12@picknowl.com.au... > If anyone knows, or has a copy of Sleep Dearie Sleep, please let me > know. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gig Rates Date: 03 Nov 1999 08:47:03 -0500 John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Andrew, I can attest to the fact that we maritimers are still obviously > underpaid......and just when you hike the price...(we upped our rates from $75 cdn > for a head table for example to $100, someone from another outfit is standing at > the ready to undercut you......little do they know, if they went with the higher > rate and missed a couple gigs that they too would be earning the $100 bucks! > I charge $100.00 for a head table....after all they are getting a quality piper > and my time! > Lori Passing up the cheap ones is good for business in the long run, and you don't really miss it. However, overcharging is also bad for business I think. Consider the fairness of getting paid $100 (in many cases NOT a high quality piper either) and look at the fees the highly competent string quartet members playing at the same wedding are making. It is not the same as saying you get what you pay for in many cases. Much of the time, people just don't know anything and pipers take advantage of them by either overcharging or providing them with a piper that is not really capable of playing as well as should be the case. This projects the bagpipe to the uneducated crowd as an obnoxious instrument and further instills the concept that hiring of a piper is done more as a clown act than a unique and elegant musical contribution to a very serious and important ceremony that most people only do 2-3 times in their lives..... : ) My brother called me last week from Arizona and told me that a friend of his had contacted a piper through the internet for a wedding and the guy (one of our own NG people) said he would charge $400. I mean, if anyone thinks they are worth that, at the expense of some kids trying to put together a special wedding full of various expenses, then I think they would do more for people making requests to hook them up with reasonable rate, quality pipers than to try to get away with that. I told my brother that if they could not find anyone else, that I would take advantage of the cheap flight rates to the west coast right now, and I would fly out and do it myself for the plane fare plus a chance to see my brother and west coast friends for a weekend. AND, the whole trip for me to do that would cost less than $400 to fly from Ohio. I know someone will say that it is a capitalist society and we should be able to charge what we can get. But, how many of us complained about the enormous lawsuit settlements being given out (recall the hot coffee thread...) because we thought it just wasn't RIGHT. Sometimes even though we CAN doesn't mean we should. Overcharging helpless uneducated (about bagpipes) people may be funny, but it is not right. I charge $100 for weddings (no matter what the playing requirements), and I add an extra $50 if they want me play them into the reception later in the day, meaning that I have to wait around to essentially play another short spot. Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) The Chief's Great War Pipe Date: 03 Nov 1999 13:23:32 GMT Just a bit of a treat for everybody. I've just made a few changes to my website. I've included pictures of, and the story behind, my dad's bagpipe. I think it's worth the visit. http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen/ Ringo - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gig Rates Date: 03 Nov 1999 11:54:11 GMT Andrew, I can attest to the fact that we maritimers are still obviously underpaid......and just when you hike the price...(we upped our rates from $75 cdn for a head table for example to $100, someone from another outfit is standing at the ready to undercut you......little do they know, if they went with the higher rate and missed a couple gigs that they too would be earning the $100 bucks! I charge $100.00 for a head table....after all they are getting a quality piper and my time! Lori APayzant wrote: > >Subject: Re: Gig Rates > >From: "dnimmo" dnimmo@navnet.net > >Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 08:33 PM EDT > >Message-id: > > > > > >D. MacKinley Riebesehl wrote in message > ><380bab49$0$28089@news.execpc.com>... > >>hey, what do you all charge out there??? etc.... > > > >Just to bring you guys down to reality, ie., the other end of the > >scale...........I recently turned down a piping job from a convention > >consultant who hires pipers here in Halifax on a regular basis......piping > >for pub crawls, piping in head tables, 10 minute calls to dinner, piping > >groups from their hotel to the resturant where they are having dinner, etc. > > > >They told me their standard pay scale for a piper was $50 CAN for the first > >hour and then $25 CAN per half hour thereafter ! > > > >I told them that was "starving college student" piper rates........(of which > >we have many in Halifax).......so they can probably get away with it. > > Damn! When I was attending college in Halifax (early '80s) the going rate had > just recently increased to around $40-50 CDN per gig, and we thought that was > pretty low. It's really sad to see it has not increased at all in nearly 2 > decades! > > And you are right in that the quality of pipers at these gigs is usually quite > good. Here in east Tennessee, the going rate for weddings and funerals starts > at $100 US, and the quality usually isn't anywhere near as good. The market > rules, I suppose... > > Andrew Payzant - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) bad F on Gibson Date: 03 Nov 1999 13:56:55 GMT The F on my Gibson blackwood chanter has a weak, strangled sound. The volume is noticeably less than the other notes, and I have a hard time tuning it, depending on the reed. Even non-pipers comment that this one note seems to be out. The rest of the chanter is very nice. The throat has never been reamed, and the chanter has been played about three years. I think it is a 1996 or 1997 model. I really would like to do something about it. Ideas? ream the throat of the chanter? enlarge to F hole? just use reeds that favor the F? other ideas? TIA - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:22:48 GMT In article , "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > Okay, I meant OUT, not IN - I've been working with too many reeds lately.... I thought it might have been a "typo". I had to think twice about it, too. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Pipe Bags Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:28:43 GMT In article <7vp0ca$hg3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > Can anyone direct me to the web site for Geoff Ross. Try this URL http://web.one.net.au/~geoffross/web_site_layout001.htm Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:17:07 GMT >Belly-Aching > Well if that is how you wish to interpret my comments you are > entitled to your opinion, you can please some of the people some of > the time, but not all of the people all of the time,If you were to > know me you would find my opinion to be honest and truthfull. I don't doubt the honesty and truthfulness of your posts. My point was that as long as you offer a different OPINION, you really do not contribute. This was not a personal attack. It was an attempt to encourage you to make a useful contribution to the discussion. After all, you started it. Maybe a formula cn be developed giving a deviation for each particular judge. I am not a mathmetician, so I really don't have a grasp of the algebra involved, but maybe something like this: 1. Take the 20% of the scores of the judge that deviate most from the final ranking in the contest, and score them, using 0 as no deviation and 1 as maximun deviation. Use the absolute values, of course. 2. Take the 80% of the scores that deviate least, and do the same thing. This would result in two scores. The first score would give an idea as to the extreme the particular judge goes, and the second score would give an idea as to the "normal" amount of difference. The intepretation of the scores would not be set, however, and individuals could interprete them in whatever fashion that suited them. The counter-argument is that this device would inhibit judges from making radical judgments, and give more weight to the status quo and conventional expectations. Another idea is to have the competitors judge the judges. In a sense, this would be an appeal to posteriety. But maybe if a particular judge consistantly receive adverse comment, he would either reconsider his manner of judging, or he might find himself invited to fewer and fewer contests. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 03 Nov 1999 09:21:37 -0500 On 03 Nov 1999 13:56:55 GMT, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: >The F on my Gibson blackwood chanter has a weak, strangled sound. The volume >is noticeably less than the other notes, and I have a hard time tuning it, >depending on the reed. Even non-pipers comment that this one note seems to be >out. The rest of the chanter is very nice. > >The throat has never been reamed, and the chanter has been played about three >years. I think it is a 1996 or 1997 model. I really would like to do >something about it. > >Ideas? >ream the throat of the chanter? >enlarge to F hole? >just use reeds that favor the F? >other ideas? Raise the reed in the seat slightly, make sure it's dry. Then tie a firm, but not tight, hemp bridle around the soundbox of the reed. This should keep the blades in a more closed position, which will eliminate the problem. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwinh@aol.com (MwinH) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: new bag technology Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:30:41 GMT For what it is worth (not much I admit) I switched from hide to the Ross Canister and will never go back. I know, never say never but the thing is great. You know what your pipes are going to do at all times. I know you can set up a good stable bagpipe with a hide bag but not to the degree you can with the Ross. You know you can get through a cold wet performance with no drones shutting down from moisture. Your drone slides stabilize and there is no adding or subtracting hemp all the time. The reeds stabilize and tune at the same spot every time and you seldom have to fiddle with bridles again. True it is pain to change the kitty litter and when the bag clamp is not on perfectly and the bag pops open on you it is no fun either but then again there is no need to season. >"Scott A. Treen" wrote: >> >> I am asking the newgroup for some advice. It's time to change bags and >I'm >> interested in a Ross or Canmore Bag. Please offer your opinions/advice >on >> the Ross bag(both the standard and the kitty-litter model) I understand >> that the canmore bag has been improved as to being able to get the stocks >> tied in without alot of black tape. Is the Ross bag as light as the >> Canmore bag? One of the things I did not like about Canmore was that >it >> threw the balance of the pipes off. Martin Hatcher Albany NY USA ..................................................... "Nine Notes? How hard can it be?" - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:57:49 GMT Jim, Contact me via private email, I have it in gif, jpg or piob mhor. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:02:32 GMT >other ideas? > Sell that peice of junk, and buy a... No I can't do it! My will powers staying intact today! ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:08:01 GMT >Thats the best evil halloween story I've heard in a long time Well not too evil. He put the pins through in such a way so that no matter how hard they grabbed it, the pins would retreat inside the pumpkin and not go in very deep. Although I think the curare' poison he dipped the tips in was a bit of overkill... >(Just furthering my celtic culture you understand) I would never question your motives! LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 03 Nov 1999 10:09:31 -0800 It would be much simpler to do it the way figure skating is judged - another highly subjective competition. Have an odd number of judges, five or more; throw out the high and low scores, and average the three in the middle. That would probably give the 'best' possible score for every entrant. You'd also have yo make sure that 1) none of them were in business with each other and 2) they were from different areas. The downside is that you'd have to have fifteen judges for each band event and five for each individual event, which would cause Games organisers to faint dead away.... IS Ccc31807 wrote in message news:19991103091707.02526.00000722@ng-cr1.aol.com... > >Belly-Aching > > Well if that is how you wish to interpret my comments you are > > entitled to your opinion, you can please some of the people some of > > the time, but not all of the people all of the time,If you were to > > know me you would find my opinion to be honest and truthfull. > > I don't doubt the honesty and truthfulness of your posts. My point was that as > long as you offer a different OPINION, you really do not contribute. This was > not a personal attack. It was an attempt to encourage you to make a useful > contribution to the discussion. After all, you started it. > > Maybe a formula cn be developed giving a deviation for each particular judge. > I am not a mathmetician, so I really don't have a grasp of the algebra > involved, but maybe something like this: > 1. Take the 20% of the scores of the judge that deviate most from the final > ranking in the contest, and score them, using 0 as no deviation and 1 as > maximun deviation. Use the absolute values, of course. > 2. Take the 80% of the scores that deviate least, and do the same thing. > > This would result in two scores. The first score would give an idea as to the > extreme the particular judge goes, and the second score would give an idea as > to the "normal" amount of difference. The intepretation of the scores wou ld > not be set, however, and individuals could interprete them in whatever fashion > that suited them. > > The counter-argument is that this device would inhibit judges from making > radical judgments, and give more weight to the status quo and conventional > expectations. > > Another idea is to have the competitors judge the judges. In a sense, this > would be an appeal to posteriety. But maybe if a particular judge consistantly > receive adverse comment, he would either reconsider his manner of judging, or > he might find himself invited to fewer and fewer contests. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gig Rates Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:09:57 GMT >a unique and elegant musical contribution to a >very serious and important ceremony that most people only do 2-3 times in >their >lives..... : ) LMAO! ONLY 2 or 3? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:03:13 -0400 Ccc31807 wrote in message <19991102202525.17508.00000385@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >>Who ?....where ? ........Aus....UK......US ? david > > >Peter Crisler / PETER'S PIPES >http://home.att.net/~peter.crisler >Louisville Pipe Band >http://users.aol.com/louavullpb/2.htm Thanks guys.............Peter replied very quickly to my e-mail to him, and answered all my questions. Thanks......david PS: Don't want to start any slanging matches........ dare I ask for a comparison, pros and cons between Peter's and Dunbar's (plastic)......has anyone compared them ? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: NG Badge pin! Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:08:09 -0400 REmas16531 wrote in message <19991103010817.02249.00000542@ng-bk1.aol.com>... >I don't think atta girl is adequate. A heartfelt thank you for a job >exceptionally well done is more fitting. I have only occasionally dared to dip >my toe in this ng pool but I have followed the development of the pin with keen >and amused interest. I look forward to ordering one. Maeve: BRAVO ZULU ! as the navy sais (their unique way of saying well done) Glad to hear you have the "@" standing alone, if that's the right way to say it.........I wondered about that and did think it would be really neat if that was the way it was done ! Thank You for all your valuable time devoted to this project. David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: toadman5o6@aol.comnospam (TOADMAN5O6) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A Pipers Mind? Date: 03 Nov 1999 22:36:50 GMT >Just as long as you don't think "o good, I've sliced off the top of my >left pinkie (little finger). It was always getting in the way of my >playing". > >...then you've really got a problem. Awwww.....and here i was gonna have a little talk with the doc about having that pinky cropped a wee bit........ Al Kuhn (Remove nospam for e-mail) "Slàinte agus buaidh gu bràth le gillean an airgeadach targaid" Kearny Police Pipes and Drums - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New gibson chanter Date: 03 Nov 1999 22:49:23 GMT On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:47:11 -0500, smitty wrote: >Does anyone have any REAL experience with Gibsons newest Solo BW >chanter? I'm debating, And I usually respect the opinions on this NG. >Please no sales pitches...Just people who have owned this years >model....Thank you, Smitty Funny, the way you put that implies that most people who express opinions here don't have any REAL experience with the products they're debating. There's only one or two guys I know so far who've actually given vehement reviews of products or personalities they have no REAL experience with. Royce (But then, they can also define "REAL" to mean whatever it is they *do* have experience with and that makes it OK.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: toadman5o6@aol.comnospam (TOADMAN5O6) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 03 Nov 1999 23:15:26 GMT >>2. What is the easiest system to install? > >Naill has a trap that installs with less fuss but I'm convinced it's not very >good and certainly not worth the $. > I have one of the Naiil water traps. Money-wise it really wasnt bad, and it installs VERY easily..it has an expansion fitting thingy in it that uses a wrench to tichten and seal in the base of the Blowpipe stock. The problem ive found with it is that it is VERY restrictive airflow-wise. it takes the stock diameter down to about 5/8, or maybe a little bigger. When my band guys bought their new pipes (MacLellan's) I had them get the Ross Bags, Which i plan on having my Own MacLellan's set with when i order them. The only question now is wether im going to have my old Hardies reset into a Ross, or keep the Canmore i have now and have a good trap , tied into it. Al Kuhn (Remove nospam for e-mail) "Slàinte agus buaidh gu bràth le gillean an airgeadach targaid" Kearny Police Pipes and Drums - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 03 Nov 1999 19:02:19 -0500 On 03 Nov 1999 23:15:26 GMT, toadman5o6@aol.comnospam (TOADMAN5O6) wrote: > When my band guys bought their new pipes (MacLellan's) I had them get the >Ross Bags, Which i plan on having my Own MacLellan's set with when i order >them. The only question now is wether im going to have my old Hardies reset >into a Ross, or keep the Canmore i have now and have a good trap Gibson>, tied into it. Keep the Canmore, get a good trap like the Gibson. It'll work probably quite well enough for your needs at much less cost. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Question Date: 02 Nov 1999 11:34:10 -0500 I tried a Clanrye once, when they first came out. I could not get it to play anywhere near in tune in my G&M chanter unless my base pitch was somewhere between Concert B natural and Concert C- wayyy to high for my purposes. The tone was somewhat harsh as well. For the same $35 (then) I could have had 5-7 decent chanter reeds. Peter Anderson wrote: > -- > Peter Anderson > Glenn Campbell wrote in message > news:mwAT3.10960$H%5.418065@sapphire.mtt.net... > > Has anyone on this NG tried the clanrye plastic pipe chanter reed for the > > GHB? I would be interested in any comments. How does it compare to cane? > > > > > The Scots Guards tried these out a while back, within a week they were all > removed and junked. > Forget them, they are crap - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: NG Badge pin! Date: 04 Nov 1999 01:19:34 GMT >No more changes >can be made at this point so there is no room for any comments other than >"atta girl!" :) "Atta Girl" doesn't do you justice, Maeve! If it hadn't been for all the work you put into this, there wouldn't BE a badge at all. People should stop and think about that when they put the badge on their glengarries. The latest website I have for the badge is http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/rmmb1.jpg Hopefully your scanner trouble will get fixed or worked-around, and we can put up a picture of the final product. Great work! Hope it didn't eat too much into your Ocala practice time.... Anybody else who wants a badge, email me privately and I'll add you to the Badge List. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 04 Nov 1999 01:36:26 GMT >Okay, maybe I'm being dense here, but I was under the impression from >several posts on "blowing tone" and "well set up pipes" that this was >something that eluded lower level pipers until approximately the Grade 2 >experience level. Shouldn't. It's more a grade 3 thing, in that setup isn't too critical in grade 4, but you need to have a good setup (among a lot of other things) to move into grade 2 or win consistently in grade 3. >If what you are saying is true, then wouldn't it follow >that only pipers of that caliber should submit sound bytes to the >"experiment", thus setting a restriction on who should enter? Well, you don't want to submit something that's embarrassingly bad, like really unsteady blowing or wildly out-of-tune drones. Beyond that, you have to be able to blow some sort of tone before anybody can say anything about the tone. You have to produce it before it can be critiqued. If you can't produce 30 seconds of some kind of tone, you shouldn't submit a file. IMO. All I'm saying is, steady blowing at an absolute minimum. Your drones ought to be pretty closely tuned and your chanter should be reasonably correct. That's something like a decent grade 4 standard of play. I'm not dictating anything, this is just my opinion. But remember, you asked.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 01:39:35 GMT >That is true, although I cannot remember which unit (regiment) it >was...not sure it was the Black Watch. The pipers were wearing the Royal Stewart tartan, which would mean a "Royal" regiment. Kilted, so Highland... no, it wouldn't necessarily have to have been the BW. If the uniforms were properly researched, though, that's what I think it was. But who knows how accurate they were.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: H.Starck Practice chanter Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:56:25 -0800 David Keenan wrote: > > Iain Sherwood wrote: > > > There's obviously more than one William Ross! > > No doubt there is, but the William Ross you refer to, ex-P/M Black Watch and > later the Queen's piper, is the same William Ross as the pipe maker whose > business Starck took over. > > Dave Keenan Thanks for the info Everyone!! Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:18:14 -0800 > The UK didn't award battle honors during the Rev War(because they lost), so > looking it up gets a little harder. > > Zu WRONG! Battle Honours were not awarded because it was regarded as a Civil War. IS - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) An interesting day . . . Date: 03 Nov 1999 22:23:13 -0500 Wow. . . . did I have an interesting day today! I usually head to my friend's house on Wed. for a day of relaxation. Last night, I trashed my last GOOD reed that I was breaking in for competition next week as a back up (don't ask but it had to do with the air compressor, too much air and the chanter ricocheting off of two walls!). SOOOO . . . .in desperation, I called Sandy Keith to get a couple of new reeds. I was half way to his house while at my girl friend's house. Results of the call, yes, he would be in . . .how long had I been playing . . . did I have my chanter with me . . . would you mind playing? My answer . . . "I'm fool enough to play for anyone fool enough to ask." I can't believe I said that! I got to his house, he invited me in and we started chatting. What a WONDERFUL man he is!!!! He had me play my competition march. He hated it! Then he had me play my piobaireachd and told me to withdraw from the competition! Dave, looks like you have this one sewn up!!! Sandy told me EVERYTHING that I was doing wrong! Let's see if I can list them all . . . my memory doesn't hold THAT much! My piobaireachd D-throws are wrong, High A's played wrong (John, you were right on this one!), I couldn't verbally describe a doubling, crossing noises galore, and a dozen or more inadequacies prevailed!!!! I asked how I was able to get away with this things for so long!!!! I can't believe this! What was supposed to be a quick reed purchase turned into a 45 minute free lesson! I loved this!!!! Even with me being shredded into small pieces, he was gracious enough to tell me how to put it all back together! LOL! Like I can do that in 10 days?!?!??!? I truly love this man!!! As I was leaving, he handed me a book . . . . "Tutor for Piobaireachd" by Seamus MacNeill and told me that I could get more use out of this than he could for the next week! What a guy! I promised him that I would return it next week. He also made me promise to show up at the Celtic Festival in Dunedin. How could I refuse after such hospitality? Besides, Off Kilter will be there. . . . :) :) :) :) . . so will Maeve if anyone else is going! I'm just amazed that, after two years of lessons with the same teacher, what having someone else listening to you will reveal. Dave, knock yourself out in Ocala! I've thrown in the towel for this one!! I'm just so grateful to Sandy for taking a moment out of his busy schedule to do this for me. He asked if I would join his new band and I told him no . .. I love solo piping and piobaireachd. Sandy said that maybe he could change my mind . . . who knows. I never say never ;) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . still reeling from the shock of it all! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Chief's Great War Pipe Date: 03 Nov 1999 19:06:14 -0800 GREAT PIPES, RINGO!!! Ron Bowen wrote in message news:oHWT3.34848$Jp4.55954@news20.bellglobal.com... > Just a bit of a treat for everybody. I've just made a few changes to my > website. I've included pictures of, and the story behind, my dad's bagpipe. > I think it's worth the visit. http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen/ > Ringo > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:23:03 -0800 In the War of 1812 the following Battle Honours were awarded to 'Scottish' Regiments: NIAGARA (Royal Scots and Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles [Canadian]) and BLADENSBURG (Royal Scots Fusileers) The 21st (RSF) and the 93rd (Sutherland) were at New Orleans, but neither was kilted and neither carried pipers at the time. The RSF were a Lowland regiment and did not acquire pipers until well into the Victorian Period. IS D. Moore wrote in message news:381F425E.1803BA6A@ccps.org... > I'm trying to get some information about the > Scottish and Irish regiments that served in America > during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. > I would like to know if they had pipers with > them and where they served. I already know about > the Black Watch at Ticonderoga. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matheson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap Date: 03 Nov 1999 20:53:58 -0600 I'm using a Naill water trap in a Canmore bag and have very few problems (compared to the soggy reeds I had before). Now mind you I'm no expert and only know what works for me. You just must be sure of its position as you inflate the bag. It would be better if it had a spring stiffener around the first four or so inches to keep it from collapsing as it bends backward from the blowstick stock. Les TOADMAN5O6 wrote in message <19991103181526.13754.00001600@ng-fw1.aol.com>... >>>2. What is the easiest system to install? >> >>Naill has a trap that installs with less fuss but I'm convinced it's not very >>good and certainly not worth the $. >> >I have one of the Naiil water traps. Money-wise it really wasnt bad, and it >installs VERY easily..it has an expansion fitting thingy in it that uses a >wrench to tichten and seal in the base of the Blowpipe stock. The problem ive >found with it is that it is VERY restrictive airflow-wise. it takes the stock >diameter down to about 5/8, or maybe a little bigger. > > When my band guys bought their new pipes (MacLellan's) I had them get the >Ross Bags, Which i plan on having my Own MacLellan's set with when i order >them. The only question now is wether im going to have my old Hardies reset >into a Ross, or keep the Canmore i have now and have a good trap Gibson>, tied into it. >Al Kuhn >(Remove nospam for e-mail) >"Slàinte agus buaidh gu bràth le gillean an airgeadach targaid" >Kearny Police Pipes and Drums - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 03 Nov 1999 20:07:55 -0800 WHAT NEXT? DANCING BEARS? 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time Out Date: 04 Nov 1999 04:29:18 GMT On 04 Nov 1999 00:01:58 GMT, iktpa@aol.com (IKTPA) wrote: >If I was ever given the choice of being a nice guy or a good piper - I would >chose being a nice guy. >But I would love being both. >Amen Bro >KT >Mt Pleasant Michigan USA I've always wondered what the hell a piper or drummer or band did in the middle of Michigan after Memorial day, the games are over, and the College let out for summer...? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 04 Nov 1999 04:27:16 GMT On 04 Nov 1999 01:36:26 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >>Okay, maybe I'm being dense here, but I was under the impression from >>several posts on "blowing tone" and "well set up pipes" that this was >>something that eluded lower level pipers until approximately the Grade 2 >>experience level. > >Shouldn't. It's more a grade 3 thing, in that setup isn't too critical in >grade 4, I don't know what grade 4 some of you guys play in, but blowing tone winds more grade 4 contests in spite of playing than anything else. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gigs and set lists Date: 04 Nov 1999 03:50:51 GMT >Its a wonder that I havent been asked to play "Yellow Rose of >Texas" I have this for GHB, if you need it. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Date: 04 Nov 1999 04:30:52 GMT On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:13:52 -0700, sdon wrote: >Could you send me a giff? > >Thanks, > >Don And if you got 'em, I'm looking for a geefle, a goff, and a feebleblat. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SFU Practice venue Date: 03 Nov 1999 20:04:46 -0800 Big stuff? Like what - where to put the Molson's? G'day, eh? IS Ken MacKenzie wrote in message news:F74POBuAJEGF0o0RkgARtolTiU1q@4ax.com... > The Royal Commission inquiry into the devastations caused by SFU's > outdoor practicing has met and in their wisdom have decided to allow > SFU to return but there will be a sign erected to warn people that a > world champion pipe band will practice at specified times so they can > have ample warning to leave the area. > > OTOH it will give others the chance to be there in plenty of time to > get front row seats. > > It's a good thing we have crises like this in Canada once in a while > so we can show the world that we really do know how to handle the big > stuff. > > Ken > > > Ken MacKenzie > akmack@uniserve.com > Sechelt, BC Canada > Height by genetics---Width by brewery. > http://users.uniserve.com/~akmack - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:13:12 -0800 WRONG! That's Hollywood, not history. The 93rd were the only Scottish Regiment at the Battle of New Orleans, and they were not kilted aty the time and carried no pipers. cf. R. Money Barnes, 'Uniforms and History of the Scottish Regiments' IS Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991103203935.02658.00000618@ng-cq1.aol.com... > >That is true, although I cannot remember which unit (regiment) it > >was...not sure it was the Black Watch. > > The pipers were wearing the Royal Stewart tartan, which would mean a "Royal" > regiment. Kilted, so Highland... no, it wouldn't necessarily have to have been > the BW. If the uniforms were properly researched, though, that's what I think > it was. But who knows how accurate they were.... > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Date: 03 Nov 1999 19:13:52 -0700 Could you send me a giff? Thanks, Don Bagpiip wrote: > Jim, > Contact me via private email, I have it in gif, jpg or piob mhor. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 11:13:28 GMT I believe that we have now seen the seeds of the next "flame war" sown. Ready on the right, ready on the left, ALL ready on the firing line! JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message news:38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com... > > madman wrote in message > > > First point, the chanter did not produce one and a half times > > > the volume of a standard chanter. We tested a few reeds of > > > various strengths and different makes. > > > What Db meter were you using? > > Or did you just use your ear to determine a precise sound pressure level > > at a given distance? > > According to my readings,using an Otari SPM,a 1989 Sinclair was putting > > out 115 > > Hmmmm, Well I guess Dave, if a setup guy from one of the best bands > walking the face the earth (78th) can't tell the difference, then > we should all just pack it in. And don't anyone dare give me any shite > about eighth place in the World, I heard that pathetic CD. > > You see the difference between you and me Dave is, your not a piper. > When a judge reviews a players performance, he doesn't have a whole > panel of instrumental readout and digital measuring devices avaiable to him > to compare each performance. > > The EXPERIENCED PLAYERS that can hear tone, and HAVE DEVELOPED > an ear for sound from playing various different setups over the years, > can tell very minute differences in tone, tuning and volume. > > When a band strikes in for the attack, you can tell right away if their > any good or not, and can often predict the contest in the first few bars. > We don't need to measure sound with instruments to know > what we like. > > So my decision stands, The Phenolic chanter is shite, try again! > > John > > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 11:55:36 GMT >Hmmmm, Well I guess Dave, if a setup guy from one of the best bands >walking the face the earth (78th) can't tell the difference, then >we should all just pack it in. Pack it up John! The human ear is no match for modern technology. Maybe he had a lump of maxwax in his ear, or listened to the "Out of the mist" CD too loud before entering the shop. OR maybe he just let his personal feelings influence his judgement????? Your argument sounds like a witch doctor vs. a modern MD. You can't argue with technology. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: playing pipes with jacket? Date: 04 Nov 1999 12:26:59 GMT > one >solution he had was to have 2 jackets...one to wear while Preforming, with >the >armpit, side, and inside of the sleeve cut out and held together with >gussets. Is that the same guy I heard about who cuts the bottoms out of his trouser pockets so he can ummm "scratch" more freely? ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 12:22:38 GMT >I think the BW was also at New Orleans in 1812. < That is true, although I cannot remember which unit (regiment) it >was... Ted, How old are you man? You learned how to operate a computer at your age? Right on grey (VERY grey) power! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:35:32 GMT Sandy will steer you in the right direction Maeve.....if I were you I would stick to him like glue if he took a liking to you! ;-)) Now for the more important question....... Whoooooo have you been taking lessons from that has steered you so awfully wrong?? Boy am I restraining myself from saying "I told you so" to alot of people who argued about the issue that "knowledge from any source is a good thing.....ohhh you can learn from anyone...doesn't have to be an open piper etc etc Get yourself a "reputable teacher" the best you can afford in your vacinity! You'd be playing at Ocala if I had been teaching you now wouldn't you...... Chin up now, see if you can get some lessons from either Sandy or someone that "he" suggests...... Walk into the light Maeve........giggle Lori Maeve wrote: > Wow. . . . did I have an interesting day today! I usually head to my > friend's house on Wed. for a day of relaxation. Last night, I trashed my > last GOOD reed that I was breaking in for competition next week as a back up > (don't ask but it had to do with the air compressor, too much air and the > chanter ricocheting off of two walls!). SOOOO . . . .in desperation, I > called Sandy Keith to get a couple of new reeds. I was half way to his house > while at my girl friend's house. Results of the call, yes, he would be in . > . .how long had I been playing . . . did I have my chanter with me . . . > would you mind playing? My answer . . . "I'm fool enough to play for anyone > fool enough to ask." I can't believe I said that! I got to his house, he > invited me in and we started chatting. What a WONDERFUL man he is!!!! He had > me play my competition march. He hated it! Then he had me play my > piobaireachd and told me to withdraw from the competition! Dave, looks like > you have this one sewn up!!! Sandy told me EVERYTHING that I was doing > wrong! Let's see if I can list them all . . . my memory doesn't hold THAT > much! My piobaireachd D-throws are wrong, High A's played wrong (John, you > were right on this one!), I couldn't verbally describe a doubling, crossing > noises galore, and a dozen or more inadequacies prevailed!!!! I asked how I > was able to get away with this things for so long!!!! I can't believe this! > What was supposed to be a quick reed purchase turned into a 45 minute free > lesson! I loved this!!!! Even with me being shredded into small pieces, he > was gracious enough to tell me how to put it all back together! LOL! Like I > can do that in 10 days?!?!??!? I truly love this man!!! As I was leaving, he > handed me a book . . . . "Tutor for Piobaireachd" by Seamus MacNeill and > told me that I could get more use out of this than he could for the next > week! What a guy! I promised him that I would return it next week. He also > made me promise to show up at the Celtic Festival in Dunedin. How could I > refuse after such hospitality? Besides, Off Kilter will be there. . . . :) > :) :) :) . . so will Maeve if anyone else is going! I'm just amazed that, > after two years of lessons with the same teacher, what having someone else > listening to you will reveal. Dave, knock yourself out in Ocala! I've thrown > in the towel for this one!! I'm just so grateful to Sandy for taking a > moment out of his busy schedule to do this for me. He asked if I would join > his new band and I told him no . .. I love solo piping and piobaireachd. > Sandy said that maybe he could change my mind . . . who knows. I never say > never ;) :) > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . still reeling from the shock of it all! > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metronone Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:24:47 GMT Hi Don, Yep a metronome is something I recommend to all my students We work on tunes using beats per minute alot It helps develop a good sense of timing when you are away from band etc. Get an electronic one to practice with no need for earphones, the electronic ones can be heard over one chanter playing, and they also can be silenced as well. They are around $25.00 cdn and are available from any reputable music store I would think Cheers, Lori Dontonton wrote: > Hi: > > I am a new member of the group. I've picked up the pipes after a few years > hiatus. I live in Miami Beach (any pipers down here?) and am delighted to > discover this newsgroup. > > A bagpiping friend of mine suggested that a metronone (with an earphone) is a > good way to keep even tempo while practising. I am (at best) an occassional > piper so this sounded intriguing. What do people think? Are there any > metronone's that you may recommend? > > -Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bogart@centuryinter.net (Lloyd Bogart) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pinfinal.jpg Date: 04 Nov 1999 07:48:56 -0500 In article <0a0133f8.ef683563@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>, Lurker wrote: > Another great piece of work. > As another transplanted Michigander, it's good to know that ya'all > learned to say ya'all. > ATB, > Dick Yeh, Bubba, but she wuz addressing us-all (plural) an' you (singular) wuz addressing her (singular), not her-all. Unlessen, of course, you wuz thinkin' about her collectively, an' I don't even wanna know what that means. BTW, in Chicago is it yez-all? ;-) NY/NJ/Wisconsin-er (by way of Tennessee) Lloyd ***** - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:44:14 GMT In article <38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > Hmmmm, Well I guess Dave, if a setup guy from one of the best bands > walking the face the earth (78th) can't tell the difference, then > we should all just pack it in. The pipe chanter has already been blessed. End of story. >And don't anyone dare give me any shite > about eighth place in the World, I heard that pathetic CD. Eighth place was decided by judges who were qualified to do so. You playing guitar at Dave's level now John? You qualified to make a declaration concerning technical and artistic delivery? Didn't know you were part of the critic's corner in Down-Beat magazine. > When a judge reviews a players performance, he doesn't have a whole > panel of instrumental readout and digital measuring devices avaiable to him > to compare each performance. Maybe he should. > We don't need to measure sound with instruments to know > what we like. "We?" > So my decision stands, The Phenolic chanter is shite, try again! Did it take "we" to make "your" decision? Are your ears so fine-tuned that it took another party to "help" you decide. That's quite hysterical John. Keep posting. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:35:27 -0500 sorry, I cant help with the first two, but a feebleblat can easily be achieved with a sofytClanrye reed in a paki chanter. In fact, ONLY a feebleblat can be achieved with the aformentioned rig. Royce Lerwick wrote: > On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:13:52 -0700, sdon wrote: > > >Could you send me a giff? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Don > > And if you got 'em, I'm looking for a geefle, a goff, and a > feebleblat. > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:48:07 -0500 Lurker wrote in message news:2750ac20.ee89b64c@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com... > Now this is a disappointment! I was looking forward to being present > for your first competition. > You will still be at the games in Ocala? Won't you? Not to worry, Dick!!!!!!!!! I'll still be there and I will still compete! My feet hit the floor at 6:30 this morning and by 6:35 I had the practice chanter in my hands, working on everything that Sandy showed me yesterday while making coffee, tea, and getting the "boys" out of the house! I have about 2 hours of practice in this morning already and will continue this pace over the next ten days! I don't hold two Guinness World records because I quit . . . . I'm as tenacious as a pit bull!!!! I'm just not expecting much! See ya there! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . blowing her brains out this morning! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pinfinal.jpg Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:49:37 -0500 Lurker wrote in message news:0a0133f8.ef683563@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com... > Another great piece of work. > As another transplanted Michigander, it's good to know that ya'all > learned to say ya'all. And I can't pronounce my "R's" and "G's" anymore either ;) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Pipe Bags Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:10:58 -0500 On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:30:01 GMT, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: >Thanks a lot. I think I might get one of these. > >Can someone confirm the bag sizes for medium and small, I'm trying to compare >them with Hide/sheepskin measurements. The Medium is quite large - like a large sheepskin, probably larger than a Medium Canmore. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:46:39 -0500 On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:02:19 -0500, Charles Kron wrote: >JOHN MITCHELL wrote: >> >> >> The EXPERIENCED PLAYERS that can hear tone, and HAVE DEVELOPED >> an ear for sound from playing various different setups over the years, >> can tell very minute differences in tone, tuning and volume. > >Well,if its experience you want,then I'll interject. >I've competed as an open professional piper for over 20 years. >I've competed at Oban,Portree,Inverness, and Dunvegan,to name a few. >The only chanter that has more to offer than our phenolic is a Sinclair, >but the difference between them is pretty large. >Maybe John would care to post his competetive standings/record,as this >is >the paradigm he is using to malign the phenolic. >Certainly,as outspoken as you are,you must compete as an open pro?.... > >Charles Kron > >P.S.(I could play you under the table on my worst day...will someone >please dig up >Mr. Mitchells version of Susan Macleod from the Great Sound Contest.... >It was certainly competent Grade 3 playing,but nothing more) Charlie, I know you're an excellent piper, but John is too ... he knows his stuff and has played front-rank in some fine fine Grade 1 bands. That doesn't mean I agree completely with his opinion of the phenolic, but the mofo can play. He's got the track record to prove it. Peace, man ... keep innovatin' ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:34:18 -0500 On 04 Nov 1999 13:50:55 GMT, iktpa@aol.com (IKTPA) wrote: >If my memory of history class serves correctly, I think it was the RSF who >burned the White House. I'm not sure where I picked that up. And they took the interns away as booty ... both literally and figureatively ... Oh, I'm so bad I'm good ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: playing pipes with jacket? Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:00:56 GMT In article <19991103183217.13754.00001610@ng-fw1.aol.com>, toadman5o6@aol.comnospam (TOADMAN5O6) wrote: > As for my merry band of hacks....for the time being we're going > to muddle along with Uniform shirts, and hope for the Best, > weather-wise. Down the line a bit, we'll decide on doublets, and > hopefully will manage to come up with a feasable way of handling the >sleeve/pit issue. > > Slàinte, > Al Kuhn > (Remove nospam for e-mail) > "Slàinte agus buaidh gu bràth le gillean an airgeadach targaid" > Kearny Police Pipes and Drums > Better solve that issue before you do the Harrison/Kearny St. Paddy's Death March. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 08:32:25 -0800 The Frasers of the Rev. War were the 71st, not the 78th. The 78th had been disbanded in Canada in 1763. IS The Black Douglas wrote in message news:382101EF.B78CD77@mail.idt.net... > I believe the 78th Frasers were the Rear Guard at the > Battle of Cowpens in 1781. > Tarleton was, of course, a fool, and in the melee, > failed to properly utilise his Highlanders. > Net result was a rout by General Morgan and the > overmountain boys....Cowpens > was one of the decisive battles in the Southern > campaign. > > I'll double check my reference tomorrow....the source > was Guilford Courthouse. > > > > > "D. Moore" wrote: > > > I'm trying to get some information about the > > Scottish and Irish regiments that served in America > > during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. > > I would like to know if they had pipers with > > them and where they served. I already know about > > the Black Watch at Ticonderoga. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 08:41:51 -0800 barry shears wrote in message news:3821475F.21A7@ns.sympatico.ca... > The Black Douglas wrote: > > > >Malcolm (Calum piobaire)MacNeil was a piper and attendant to "young" Roderick MacNeil. Both men fought for Britain in the American Revolution. Malcolm was the grandson of Rory MacNeil, family or Herediatary piper to MacNeil of Barra. Several of Malcolm's children settled at Pipers Cove, Cape Breton. > "young"Roderick MacNeil's father, also Roderick, was killed during The > fall of Quebec. He was an officer with the Fraser Highlanders. His jaw > was broken by a musket ball and Malcolm "Calum Piobaire" chewed his > food thus enabling him to live for 3 weeks before he eventually died. The Fall of Quebec occurred in the 1756-63 French War; I think these men served in the Old 78th. > Also the Royal Highland Emigrants, 84th regiment, consisted of veterans > and highlanders then living in Nova Scotia, Prince Edward island and > Quebec, and the Mohawk Valley. They also had pipers, although the info > on them is fairly scant. They were made up of veterans of the Old 77th (Montgomerie's) and 78th (Fraser's) Regiments, and were commanded by Allan MacLean and an officer of the 42nd, John Small, who had been at Ticonderoga in '58. Also, the Glengarry Militia of Ontario (forerunners of the Stormont, Dundas, and Glengarry Highlanders of Canada), composed of veterans of the 84th RHE, were the LAST unit to use the 'fiery cross' to mobilise against an American incursion in 1812. cf. Money Barnes, 'Uniforms and History...' IS > barry - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fun with BMW Gold ... and Shameless Self-Promotion Date: 04 Nov 1999 08:43:01 -0800 just click on the 'save as image' feature....works like a charm. IS Phil Scott wrote in message news:7vr8cr$d6v$1@news.latrobe.edu.au... > Chris Hamilton (ToneCzar@erols.com) wrote: > [snip] > : In the old BMW Pro (the PostScript version), you could make a > : PostScript output file, then use GhostView to convert it to PDF and it > : looks super. But I tried something similar with the BMW Gold, and the > : PDF file looked pretty poor. Anyone have any ideas or done this? > > So far as I know, ghostview simply calls another program called (this is > true on Unix - don't know about others) "ps2pdf". It generates sort-of OK > PDF but, to quote from the manual for the version I've got: > > Currently ps2pdf does a reasonable job on filled/stroked > graphics, on bitmap images, and on text in the 14 built-in > PDF fonts in the intersection of Windows and ISO Latin-1 > encodings. It converts all other text in the PostScript > file to bitmaps in the PDF file (although it does only write > the bitmap for each character once per page, and only on > pages where the character is actually used). It does not > compress the output at all, except for character bitmaps: it > can't use LZW because of Unisys' patent claims, and it > doesn't yet use other compression methods for images. > > There's lots of info about all this at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ > > The genuine acrobat software does a much better job at making PDFs, > (as it should!) but is just *too* expensive for casual use. > > Cheers, > -- > Phil Scott, Inf Tech, La Trobe Uni, Bendigo, Australia P.Scott@latrobe.edu.au > http://ironbark.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/staff/pscott/Phil.Scott.html > Vote YES for a Republic of Australia, http://www.vicnet.net.au/~yesyouth/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metronone Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:18:51 GMT In article <19991104072753.02631.00000879@ng-ck1.aol.com>, dontonton@aol.com (Dontonton) wrote: > Are there any > metronone's that you may recommend? There a number of good metronomes on the market. There are a couple of things I'd look for. I'd suggest you get one that has a visual pendulum - like the old mechanical ones. Most have a light that blinks at a set metered rate. The problem with that, in my opinion, is that when one is playing, there is no "warning" of when the light will blink. For someone trying to maintain a steady beat, the pendulum gives a visual idea of where you are before the next beat/blink. Another thing I'd look for is a capability to mark out different time signatures - like compound beats. Some on the market have an ability to beat out each note of a 6/8, for instance and sound a different tone when the first and fourth notes of that measure. So you can feel the accent in a 6/8 rhythm. Of course, it shouldn't have the abiltiy to override that so you can have a dead even 6/8 jig counted out as well. We've found that the Korg MA-20 does all these things, is compact and realitively inexpensive too at $29.95. We've supplied them to a few piping schools and gotten good reviews on them. Of course, I'm sure there are probably others on the market as well with those features. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:57:06 GMT > I don't hold two Guinness World records because >I quit . You hold TWO Guinness World Records? How much Guinness did you have to drink to get these? You look tiny to be such a big drinker LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim McGill Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 04 Nov 1999 09:36:03 -0800 Iain Sherwood wrote: > WHAT NEXT? DANCING BEARS? No, for dancing bears you need a Gadulka. (I've actually seen dancing bears in Bulgaria and they are a pretty sorry sight. They look like old, worn rugs, are under fed and totally dispirited. Not a happy fate for a bear. Rumor has it that they are taught to dance by walking them onto live coals. Ouch!) Jim, who plays Bulgarian Gajda - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0800 anyone who calls HIMSELF a 'virtuoso' is really asking for it, especially among pipers. wrote in message news:7vs63t$q67$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, > "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > > Hmmmm, Well I guess Dave, if a setup guy from one of the best bands > > walking the face the earth (78th) can't tell the difference, then > > we should all just pack it in. > > The pipe chanter has already been blessed. End of story. > > >And don't anyone dare give me any shite > > about eighth place in the World, I heard that pathetic CD. > > Eighth place was decided by judges who were qualified to do so. You > playing guitar at Dave's level now John? You qualified to make a > declaration concerning technical and artistic delivery? Didn't know > you were part of the critic's corner in Down-Beat magazine. > > > When a judge reviews a players performance, he doesn't have a whole > > panel of instrumental readout and digital measuring devices avaiable > to him > > to compare each performance. > > Maybe he should. > > > We don't need to measure sound with instruments to know > > what we like. > > "We?" > > > So my decision stands, The Phenolic chanter is shite, try again! > > Did it take "we" to make "your" decision? Are your ears so fine-tuned > that it took another party to "help" you decide. That's quite > hysterical John. Keep posting. > > Mark > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:47:57 GMT >IN LIVING STERLING! Gee is it just me, or does that still look like plain plaster of paris to everyone else too? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 04 Nov 1999 12:30:41 -0500 Lloyd, Dear . . . don't you know by now how impulsive and suggestive that I can be?!?!? Here it is: http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/pinfinal.jpg IN LIVING STERLING! Well, almost! I pulled out my trusty paints and antiqueing solutions and made a faux sterling pin. And let me tell you this. . . it looks SO good in real life that I'm thinking of being the FIRST RMMB member to wear this pin in competition! I only need to glue some fittings on the back an NO one would be able to tell this from real metal! I'm impressed! I had never tried this before but it opens a whole new avenue. HEY! ZU! Wanna save some bucks on these pins???? -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:12:54 -0800 Okay...it's time for wait for it....... HITLER! Chris Hamilton wrote in message news:YqghOPOzVgppbVb4thbCqZ9VF+St@4ax.com... > On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:02:19 -0500, Charles Kron > wrote: > > >JOHN MITCHELL wrote: > >> > >> > >> The EXPERIENCED PLAYERS that can hear tone, and HAVE DEVELOPED > >> an ear for sound from playing various different setups over the years, > >> can tell very minute differences in tone, tuning and volume. > > > >Well,if its experience you want,then I'll interject. > >I've competed as an open professional piper for over 20 years. > >I've competed at Oban,Portree,Inverness, and Dunvegan,to name a few. > >The only chanter that has more to offer than our phenolic is a Sinclair, > >but the difference between them is pretty large. > >Maybe John would care to post his competetive standings/record,as this > >is > >the paradigm he is using to malign the phenolic. > >Certainly,as outspoken as you are,you must compete as an open pro?.... > > > >Charles Kron > > > >P.S.(I could play you under the table on my worst day...will someone > >please dig up > >Mr. Mitchells version of Susan Macleod from the Great Sound Contest.... > >It was certainly competent Grade 3 playing,but nothing more) > > Charlie, I know you're an excellent piper, but John is too ... he > knows his stuff and has played front-rank in some fine fine Grade 1 > bands. > > That doesn't mean I agree completely with his opinion of the phenolic, > but the mofo can play. He's got the track record to prove it. > > Peace, man ... keep innovatin' ... > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com > City of Washington Pipe Band > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) A Game Date: 04 Nov 1999 19:53:34 GMT Just for fun... Free prizes... There is a photo on the Piper & Drummer web site which has its home on our Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply web site. For the first 5 people who properly answer the following questions, I'll send you a free CD either "Off Kilter" the Grammy-nominated offering by The Rogues or "Hamilton Pipe Band" CD from the Houston band we proudly help sponsor, which won 3rd place in Grade II this year at the World's. For the next 25 people who properly answer the questions, I'll send a smaller prize - a bag tag which helps identify your pipe case ("Keep your band-mates' paws off of YOUR pipes with a bag tag"). Questions: 1. What photo is on both sites? 2. What page is it on at P & D (page name)? 3. What page is it on at Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply (page name)? 4. Whose hands are shown? (giving away a lot here) 5. What design is being done? 6. What is the price for having that design done? Okay, have fun. Only restrictions (here comes the small print): No owner, employee of Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply, Inc.; Piper & Drummer Magazine; Bagpipe Silver, Inc.; or Dunfion Bagpipes are eligible. I'll also restrict it to include people other than competitors of those companies (they ought to know the competition anyway so it wouldn't be fair to the rest). E-mail entries only. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:43:27 GMT In article <38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > We don't need to measure sound with instruments to know > what we like. Maybe not, but you need to reach down with both hands and spread you cheeks so your buddy can jerk your head out. Now, doesn't that make things a little clearer for you, John. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 04 Nov 1999 14:49:59 -0500 Iain Sherwood wrote: > snip > > The Fall of Quebec occurred in the 1756-63 French War; I think these men > served in the Old 78th. > Quite true, but the Siege of Quebec was an important event early in the American Revolution. The invasion was launched from Boston and Kennebunk (then Arundel) and led by Benedict Arnold. The American forces were unsuccessful. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 04 Nov 1999 20:25:58 GMT >(I've actually seen dancing bears in Bulgaria and they are a pretty sorry >sight. They look like old, worn rugs, are under fed and totally dispirited. >Not a happy fate for a bear. Rumor has it that they are taught to dance by >walking them onto live coals. Ouch!) > Unbelieveable the cruelty we can mindlessly inflict on other species (nevermind on each other here on RMMB) LOL. Watch closely the "razor hooks" they use on elephants at almost any circus to see the stupidity of it all in the name of "entertainment". Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:14:33 -0800 not to mention the pain inflicted by biased judges at competitions.... IS Bagpiip wrote in message news:19991104152558.04191.00001576@ng-fh1.aol.com... > >(I've actually seen dancing bears in Bulgaria and they are a pretty sorry > >sight. They look like old, worn rugs, are under fed and totally dispirited. > >Not a happy fate for a bear. Rumor has it that they are taught to dance by > >walking them onto live coals. Ouch!) > > > > Unbelieveable the cruelty we can mindlessly inflict on other species (nevermind > on each other here on RMMB) LOL. Watch closely the "razor hooks" they use on > elephants at almost any circus to see the stupidity of it all in the name of > "entertainment". > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:28:42 -0500 Bagpiip wrote in message news:19991104125706.16564.00001868@ng-fn1.aol.com... > > I don't hold two Guinness World records because > >I quit . > > You hold TWO Guinness World Records? How much Guinness did you have to drink to > get these? You look tiny to be such a big drinker LOL! I TOLD you that I was declared a Guinness Pro at the last games! Now if I could just remember the OTHER games . . . . ;) Dunedin was the "Drone Dragging in the Mud" championship. I doubt if ANYONE could duplicate my technique at that one! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Kirby" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Pipe Bags Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:54:40 +1100 Geoff Ross website address is now www.rossbagpipereeds.com Regards Darryl K wrote in message news:7vp0ca$hg3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Can anyone direct me to the web site for Geoff Ross. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:17:15 -0800 better watch where you wear those 'flaming drones' - steer clear of South Beach... quite honestly you need to clean up the casting around the lettering, and across the top of the high relief, once you cast it in metal - it will look a lot better... IS Maeve wrote in message news:3821c36f.0@news3.paonline.com... > Lloyd, Dear . . . don't you know by now how impulsive and suggestive that I > can be?!?!? Here it is: > > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/pinfinal.jpg > > IN LIVING STERLING! Well, almost! I pulled out my trusty paints and > antiqueing solutions and made a faux sterling pin. And let me tell you this. > . . it looks SO good in real life that I'm thinking of being the FIRST RMMB > member to wear this pin in competition! I only need to glue some fittings on > the back an NO one would be able to tell this from real metal! I'm > impressed! I had never tried this before but it opens a whole new avenue. > HEY! ZU! Wanna save some bucks on these pins???? > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 04 Nov 1999 16:37:59 -0500 Iain Sherwood wrote in message news:s23tsbkv24243@corp.supernews.com... > quite honestly you need to clean up the casting around the lettering, and > across the top of the high relief, once you cast it in metal - it will look > a lot better... Iain!!!!!!!! I BLOODY TOLD YOU . . . NO comments beyond ATTA GIRL! This is out of my hands now. . this was a plaster casting. I didn't take any time on it at all since I had to have it posted to Zu and Dan today! And why the heck am I explaining anything! Bottom line! NO COMMENTS!!!!!!!! :) :) Make it a nice day :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "Survey: Weighting System" Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:22:52 -0500 OKay, so, no one wanted to pick up the torch. I see that several other threads have become more popular. I will attempt to spark it up again, rather than abandon it by posting my own idea: I think there should be three territories for piping judging, two for drum judging, and one for ensemble judging. Pipe Judge 1: (music, musicality) Categories to evaluate: Medley contruction, tune appropriateness for grade, tempo appropriateness for tunes, tempo stability, appropriate musical phrasing, appropriate musical pulsing, tune arrangements. Pipe Judge 2: (sound) Categories to evaluate: tightness of chanter tuning, note intervals, drone tuning and stability, chanter/drone matching, pipe section volume appropriateness, chanter/drone pitch appropriateness, all factors above versus different times into a performance. Pipe Judge 3: (penalties) Categories to evaluate: attack unison, full blown E's, melody line mistakes, cleanness of tune breaks, chanter chokes, chanter squeals/chirps, crossovers, piper taking hand off chanter for any reason, piper unison, cleanness of cutoff. Drum Judge 1: (scores, sound) Appropriateness of technicality, technical difficulty, variety in arrangements, player technical unison, sound quality of snares, volume shading appropriateness. Drum Judge 2: (penalties) Three pace roll unison and timing, break unisons, drummer not playing, main score mistakes, main score unisons. Ensemble Judge: (sectional integration) Tenor drum pitch, volume and sound quality, bass drum pitch, volume and sound quality, appropriateness of bass and tenor scores to overall band presentation, integration of snares, pipes and midsection, intersectional unison for tempos and breaks. Obviously, most of these categories are still subjective, but I had to package them up in a logical manner before defining how to assess. Let's hear some other thoughts and I will work on my idea of assessment for another post. Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe and Bagpiper Songs Date: 04 Nov 1999 10:56:11 -0800 songs? we don't need no stinking SONGS! We want chunes. Ya know, CHUNES - don' you got no stinking CHUNES? If you don' got no CHUNES, get offa the NG with your stinking SONGS! Pancho MacTaco Gary [creativemusic.com] wrote in message news:7utj1v$3oo$89@q.seanet.com... > Interested in songs about bagpipes and pipers? Click the link below (or cut > and paste it into your web browser) to perform a custom search. > > http://216.231.35.209/shop/index.cgi?p=search&atype=exa&asexp=bagpipe > > -- > http://www.creativemusic.com/shop > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 13:24:35 -0900 oshpiper wrote: > In article <38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, > "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > > > We don't need to measure sound with instruments to know > > what we like. > > Maybe not, but you need to reach down with both hands and spread you > cheeks so your buddy can jerk your head out. Now, doesn't that make > things a little clearer for you, John. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Wow. Thanks for the depth of thought and reflection you brought to bear on this post. We're all so much the richer for your contribution. Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Nail Long Practice Chanter Date: 04 Nov 1999 17:50:46 -0700 The black Wygent reed works pretty well in mine. Don Dennis Collins wrote: > I have a Nail long practice chanter. I can't find a reed > that works well with this chanter. It squeeks like mad > no matter what I do to the reeds I use in it. So far > I have tryed Shepard, Watson, and one that the maker is > unknown. I was just wondering if any one else has had > this problem, and how they fixed it. Maybe I have a > bum chanter. > > Thanks > dboysc2 -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 01:43:40 GMT With all the intrigue at the Tally games: Bagpipe rustling attempts Spell casting Guinness guzzling General Maddness No one mentioned the Pipe Major of the day's mace flying to pieces in front of the grandstand during closing ceremonies! Did he piss you off Maeve? Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Jerry Gibson: piping and strokes Date: 05 Nov 1999 01:57:44 GMT I have to disagree here Iain, Your comment about heart rate and blood pressure remaining the same while piping is absurd. Any physical activity is going to raise blood pressure and heart rate some. What I think you may have meant is that you want to maintain a heart rate and blood pressure in an acceptable range, just as in your target heart range for your age when you are say running. Maintaining a resting heart rate and BP while playing bagpipes is just not possible. Lori Iain Sherwood wrote: > FWIW, if you play regularly, don't smoke, don't drink much, piping is VERY > good for circulation, blood pressure, and heart rate. People who play pipes > do well on treadmill and bicycle tests, because of the aerobic exercise, the > lung expansion, diaphragm strength, etc. that pipers develop. I know because > I did all that crap last spring and it wasn't too bad, even though I need to > lose some weight. > > Blood pressure and heart rate should remain steady while playing. If they > don't, you're not playing often enough or in BIG trouble... > > IS > Jim Sabatke wrote in message > news:38133466.18A3A008@mchugh.com... > > 1. Thanks for not yelling that I reposted the same message to rmmb. I > > was actually trying to forward it to another piping list. > > > > 2. Regarding piping and strokes, I wonder if the old blood pressure goes > > up while piping? Any MDs out there that can answer that one? > > > > Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > > > > > > Terrible news... I hope he'll be ok. > > > > > > While in Norway last summer a conversation arose concerning piping and > > > strokes. > > > > > > It was suggested that piping increases ones likelihood of suffering a > > > stroke later in life. > > > > > > Can anyone explain why this is, if it is at all. > > > > > > -ALH > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Jim Sabatke wrote: > > > > > > > For anyone interested or concerned, I just got this off rmmb: > > > > > > > > This info was given to me today. Enough people seem to discuss the > mad > > > > pipe maker on this group that I thought some people might want to know > > > > and/or drop him a message. > > > > > > > > Bentley Wall > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Gibson has suffered a stroke. He is doing ok and will soon be > > > > > released from the hospital. > > > > > > > > > > Jerry's address is 34234 Beachpark Dr, Eastlake, OH 44094 > > > > > > > > > > Jerry is at Lake County West Hospital until tomorrow.440-953-9600. > Jerry > > > > > is in Rm 421 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jim Sabatke > > > > SuSE 6.2 Linux > > > > Kernel - 2.2.10 > > > > > > > > "I understand the inventor of the bagpipes was inspired when he saw a > > > > man carrying an indignant, asthmatic pig under his arm. Unfortunately, > > > > the man-made object never equaled the purity of sound achieved by the > > > > pig." -- Alfred Hitchcock > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jim Sabatke > > SuSE 6.2 Linux > > Kernel - 2.2.10 > > > > "I understand the inventor of the bagpipes was inspired when he saw a > > man carrying an indignant, asthmatic pig under his arm. Unfortunately, > > the man-made object never equaled the purity of sound achieved by the > > pig." -- Alfred Hitchcock - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 05 Nov 1999 01:58:23 GMT >I don't know what grade 4 some of you guys play in, but blowing tone >winds more grade 4 contests in spite of playing than anything else. Around here it seems to be the other way around. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes Date: 05 Nov 1999 02:05:18 GMT What about a parade situation though when you are moving and playing? Doing hills etc I routinely drop 15lbs over the summer from simply playing pipes and doing parades etc! It has to be a little taxing!! Oh and btw......you should seeee some of the parades we do....doozies!!! ;-))) Lori DicksonDL wrote: > << I'm always sweaty when I'm done playing pipes, anytime I play for more than > 5 minutes or so. >> > > << I'd say that piping for an hour, with my current setup, is about as much of > a physical workout as refereeing a mediocre-quality girls' basketball game. > Which is to say, not that much of a workout. >> > > I'd agree. Sweat only indicates that you're hot. Your body is trying to cool > down. To get a cardio-vascular workout, you have to get your heart-rate into > your target zone for between 20 to 30. My heart rate only gets up there when > the PM singles me out during chanter practice or set-ups. > > Duane - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes Date: 05 Nov 1999 02:01:15 GMT Um Bill, Come play at Maxville in a band and solos some day Bill I think you will be changin yer "tune" ;-))) Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >The question was: what effect does piping have on aerobic conditioning, > >strength building, and general fitness? > > > >Any exercise physiologists or other professionals here who can attempt an > >answer? > > I'm not a pro, but my knowledge of the exercise field is great. > As a guy who runs 7 to 10 miles a day and worked out BEFORE I took up the > pipes I'd say little to none. Of the three good pipers I know well, two have > had heart troubles (blocked arteries) and most of the pipers I know smoke cigs, > and can play for hours, but couldn't run 3 miles without collapsing. IMHO it's > more of a "technique" involved, than just sheer physical conditioning. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 05 Nov 1999 02:14:28 GMT If Uncle Walter was there to dance with the bears they would look a lot happier. Sto - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Nail Long Practice Chanter Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:33:57 -0500 Hi Dennis.. For me, the MacNeil of Gilmour practice chanter reeds have worked well with my Naill long... with about a 80% success rate... I use these with an orthodontic rubber band around the reed blades to ease the reed a bit... and allow me, as a teacher, to raise and lower the pitch of my chanter if I want to match the various pitches of the practice chanters of my students. I get mine from The Scottish Piper in Rome, NY, Jim Clough, Prop... phone: 315 339 0972 (between 4 pm and 11 p.m. E.S.T.) Cheers, and good luck It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Dennis Collins wrote: > I have a Nail long practice chanter. I can't find a reed > that works well with this chanter. It squeeks like mad > no matter what I do to the reeds I use in it. So far > I have tryed Shepard, Watson, and one that the maker is > unknown. I was just wondering if any one else has had > this problem, and how they fixed it. Maybe I have a > bum chanter. > > Thanks > dboysc2 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:18:57 -0500 On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:38:19 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >madman wrote: >> Need I remind you that you're the guy who lambasted the Lee drone reed >That's right, I don't see any advantage to them. Again you have a designer >of a bagpipe product, who doesn't know what sound is, or can define the >parameters of the final result. >Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Mark is in his 4th year of >piping and he can barley tune his own drones. He hasn't developed >his ear yet either, so how the hell can he hope to develop a product that >when he can't hear the sound ? In short, He doesn't know what sound he's >looking for! Uh, Mark can sure tune his own drones ... I heard his drones tonight and they sounded jes' fine ... >> ...and 6 months later those same reeds are being played by >> Cusack,Gillies,McGillivray, >> Ed Neigh,Geoff Neigh,,Iain Macey,Strathclyde police and a boatload of >> others..... > >Bullshit, Lets here from *JUST ONE* of them! >As far as I can see, the ONLY players backing you up right now >are beginners, grade 3,4 and 5 amateurs, and some asshole >named PAT whose lucky if can get thru Scotland the Brave. Well, I'm not in the super-elite of Open pipers, but I don't suck either, and I'll tell ya the reeds are good. Got a tape of the Oklahoma contest and my drones were pretty damn good ... as good as any there. Took some time to convince me ... I'd had them since the spring but never took the time to mess with them much until September. He made a believer out of me. So, is Mark a great player? No, but he knows engineering, and he's got a good ear, and his product works. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:46:18 -0500 David Page wrote in message news:5KrU3.44968$5W2.1018210@news6.giganews.com... > Hey, Eye of the Tiger Maeve..... > Just read your original post and your turn around post. I wish Sandy Keith > was up our way. I have played in front of him a couple of times at the > games and I was impressed that he made it a point both times to talk to me > after I played to give me some pointers. Yeah, but he's MINE now :) :) :) You might just have the upper hand this time but watch your back, Sweetie!! Sandy told me that I had to have the right "heart" for competition. After talking to me for only one minute, he KNEW I had the heart. . . . And he obviously knew the right words to spur me on! I worked 6 hours with Angus today! And I can't wait until morning to have a go at him again! > And hey, I'm hiring horses to step on Angus in Ocala > instead of the Scottish fellows. It's a horse park if I recall..... Yes, it IS. . .and the Clydesdale championships, I believe. BUT . . . I am going there with the intention of buying a Clyde and bringing it home so I'm not sure that you stand a chance in hiring a horse at this time. I'll whisper in each of their ears that there is this one piper in the competition that . .. . never mind. Why would I give away a trade secret? Just watch the horses, Hon. They are NOT your best friend!!! ;) :) :) Besides that, I've had plenty of practice on cows . . . But I wish you the best at the competition! All kidding aside, you know that I will be there at your side holding you in the Light. And then there's Jim . . . . -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . almost finished with the second kilt hose!http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 04 Nov 1999 20:41:55 -0900 Maeve wrote: > Iain!!!!!!!! I BLOODY TOLD YOU . . . NO comments beyond ATTA GIRL! Hey - Maeve's got a temper! Cool... Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:06:20 GMT >What about a parade situation though >when you are moving and playing? Ok, but how often do you do parades, once a month? Even every weekend isn't going to give you a meaningful cardiovascular workout. I'd like to hear from other runners/wgt lifters etc because I believe the only people who think piping is a workout, just have never run 6 miles (or an hour non-stop) and therefore aren't speaking from experience. If you haven't been a true athelete, you can't imagine what goes into daily training. I'd liken it to a guy who condemns products he's never heard or seen. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metronone Date: 05 Nov 1999 07:59:09 GMT >Jim mentions having no warning when the light is going to > I kind of agree... IF you are reacting to the pendulum.... BUT in >my opinion you should be proactive... and beating your foot, changing your >note when your sense of rhythm tells you to HIT the beat... the light only >confirms your decision or gives you guidance to modify your pulsing Good point Richard! I was thinking along those same lines too. Your not reacting to the light, just using it as a guide, or to confirm your timing is correct. If your waiting for that flash of light, then your relying on the metronome, it should be a guide, not to be used in place of your own natural rythmns. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:10:06 GMT >the pipe majors mace? i thought drum majors carried those things!! You should know eh Dave? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:35:37 -0500 JSLOANPR wrote in message news:19991104204340.16249.00000931@ng-fw1.aol.com... > With all the intrigue at the Tally games: > > Bagpipe rustling attempts > Spell casting > Guinness guzzling > General Maddness > > No one mentioned the Pipe Major of the day's mace flying to pieces in front of > the grandstand during closing ceremonies! > > Did he piss you off Maeve? Geez . . . and I MISSED that one! Must have been at the same time as the perfect Guinness guzzle! You say it worked?!?!?? ;) And I thought bat wings only worked on competition pipers. Maybe it was "eye of the newt"? Oh, well. As long as it worked . . . . -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . working on a concoction for the judge in Ocala!http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:50:32 GMT >Actually, I built a robot to do it for me (I am quite smart for my age). > Her name is MONA. Inflatable? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "André Mittun" Subject: (bagpipe) Want a nice set of pipes?! Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:38:52 +0100 Gillanders & MacLeod (1988, set no.2) for sale. New canmore bag (L), new cover, new cords. Perfect condition. Price DKR. 5.750 (£490, US$795, CA$1145) For further information contact André Mittun ************************************* André Mittun, Andre_Mittun@vip.cybercity.dk The Heather Pipes & Drums of Copenhagen http://www.heather.dk - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wiccan/Pagan Music! Ethnic Instruments! Bagpipes! Drums! Books! Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:53:27 GMT >not to mention the pain inflicted by biased judges at competitions.... > LOL Yeah that too! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:07:39 GMT >Um Bill, >Come play at Maxville in a band and solos some day Bill >I think you will be changin yer "tune" >;-))) Been there, seen it! I was sweating as much as any piper there, and I was just walking around. See my post in the other thread (and my priv reply). Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Photos of Kron Pipes Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:15:18 GMT http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/kron.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 05:23:51 GMT On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0800, "Iain Sherwood" wrote: >anyone who calls HIMSELF a 'virtuoso' is really asking for it, especially >among pipers. On that point Dave Atherton is simply a musical genius and a virtuoso and on the cutting edge of modern guitar technique. Let's not embarass ourselves by debating that much. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:44:06 GMT >I'll play you anywhere, anytime! > Maxville next summer???? Pay-per-view? > I'll play a complete set of Gibsons. Be sure to buy a good supply of glue, it's tough to find and maintain a "complete" set of Gibsons. LMAO! Sorry, couldn't resist! >And just to give you a fair chance, I'll have about 10 pints in me. > To make it fair, make sure Mitch DOESN'T have ten pints, he only plays better as he drinks more. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 07:22:22 -0500 On 05 Nov 1999 10:55:34 GMT, jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) wrote: >>the pipe majors mace? i thought drum majors carried those thing > >Just knew, someone had to point that out! >It flew apart twice. Bad mace macetainance. Must have been one of those GlueMhor maces ... they've diversified their product line. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Kirby" Subject: (bagpipe) Ross Bagpipe Reeds website Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:26:14 +1100 If anyone has tried the Ross Bagpipe Reeds website www.rossbagpipereeds.com and been unsuccessful don't despair, the problem is now fixed. Geoff had some programming problems which he has now fixed. Darryl Kirby Glenlyon Vic. Aus. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:25:41 GMT It's really difficult to know where to jump in on this thread. Wiser people might avoid it altogether. Although I have been called a "wiseguy" at times, no one has called me "wise" so throwing caution to the wind, I plunge into the deep end... 1) I don't recall Dave or Mark or anybody else asking for a public critique of their respective products. In so doing, John, and considering the nature of your comments, you have invited predictable hostile responses. If that was your intent, congratulations. If your intent was otherwise, time to rethink. 2) Innovation leads directly to progress. Without innovation there can be no progress. I think that it is commendable that we have those who are willing to take risks and dedicate resources in order to pursue progress through innovation. In these ways, progress is made. 3) A public forum is both good and bad. In the matter of your opinion of the chanter, it might have been more prudent and more effective to share your views with Dave and Charlie privately. Your views might have been received more graciously had you spent more time with the product and been more constructive with your comments. 4) You offered up the bait and several (in fishing terminology) rose to take it. The thread has now deteriorated to a predicable level. We have bellied up to the collective piping urinal for some penis gazing. "Who's got the biggest" seems sort of pointless to me. As with everything, these new products (and a host of others) will endure or fade into obscurity based on there own merits, subject to the ultimate test of time. In the end, what is said here won't matter a damn. Who can blame an innovator for being proud and excited about their new offering. And any good marketer would promote their product, even if it didn't cure world hunger. In my opinion, which really only matters to me, there is no "best of breed" or "worst of breed" in the piping world. In the right hands, the "worst of breed" can perform pretty damn good.... and in the wrong hands, the "best of breed" can be pretty damn awful. So to all who read this, don't get your knickers in a knot! John is an excellent piper, for whom I have a ton of respect. What is said here is meant to help, not to hurt. By the way, did any of you get a chance to look at the Chief's Warpipe? Now, a few people know the pipe. Jake Watson, Lindsay Kirkwood, Ken Eller. If any would like to comment on the sound that comes off this horn, please do so. But don't say anything more! I want to save the best part for last (wink, wink, you know what I mean). Ringo JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message news:38212c26_6@news.newsfeeds.com... > So my decision stands, The Phenolic chanter is shite, try again! > John > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 13:19:33 -0500 > JOHN MITCHELL wrote: > "raising the pitch,will give it sweetness". Hopefully John will one day hear my ebony/cocobola/sterling Highland pipes in A made by Hamish Moore. Sweet indeed. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lsrapm" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 30 Oct 1999 13:10:00 -0600 "SETTING THE TONE" So far, I have 4 entries with 2 more expected. I'm thinking that many have been put off because I said their names would be revealed. OK.... scaredy..cats... :-) Actually, I can understand how some might feel a bit intimidated. So I have decided to it open it up to anyone who prefers to remain anonymous. Just tell me when you send it in whether or not you want your name to be revealed. I WILL respect your privacy if that is what you want. The same goes for the four who have already submitted tunes. Just email me if you decide you want your name kept hidden. (I hope you don't though.) If my mailbox starts groaning with the weight of incoming mail, I may have to limit the entry. (That's just in case more than 500 of you are just starting to reach for your mikes...) Come on now... Put your blowpipe where your mouth is. Chris Eyre "SETTING THE TONE" An Autumnal Diversion" http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/tone/setup.html Instructions page - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 15:11:00 GMT In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > > >Chris Hamilton wrote in article >> On 5 NOV 99 18:15:08 GMT, meek@skyway.usask.ca wrote: >> >In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > >> >>I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation >> >>for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, >> >>my chanter reed of the past three months has been >> >>getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a >> >>begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in >a >> >>very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the >end >> >>of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? >> >> Bb 440 ? > >> That would actually be a Low A of 467 Hz. > >> Chris > >Yea - like he said. > >Matt > >P.S. So what's the answer? P.S. so what's the question ? chris - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metronone Date: 05 Nov 1999 15:21:37 GMT In article <382248CF.A4745318@prodigy.net>, richard@mao.org wrote: >.... the old mechanical metronomes are not consistent... They have also become quite expensive, although I'm not sure why. > >> my opinion you should be proactive... and beating your foot, changing your > note when your sense of rhythm tells you to HIT the beat... the light only > confirms your decision or gives you guidance to modify your pulsing... As long as the confirmation sends back positive feedback that the piper is on beat, all's well. It's when he gets off beat that the problem may occur with only a light. And if he is watching the light continuously, that is less likely to happen. However, if he takes his eyes off the light for a few measures, (maybe to see how well he is able to keep the beat independently, which is the end goal anyway), then looks back and realizes that the light isn't blinking when his foot is hitting the floor. Is he ahead of the beat, or behind? We carried the Matrix for a while and they make a good, inexpensive metronome. All the electronic ones are way ahead of the old pyramid-shaped ones I had as a kid. The Matrix kind we carried (I still have one around the house somewhere) had a dial face with selections for speed. It was a discrete scale (rather than continuous), but not in single digit increments like the Korg. It also didn't have the variety of compound time choices that are offered on the Korg. Either way, with the pipes, I think it best to get one with some form of visual aid, so that can use it while you are playing the pipes, and not just while you are playing the PC. Good advice about Jim McGillivray's book, Richard. Now if someone can just post on how to make one for 65 cents out of material purchased at the neighborhood hardware store..... :-) All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bo Møller-Nielsen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Photos of Kron Pipes Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:25:53 +0100 Hej Bill. Nice looking set, but you shouldn't have polished the silver so much, the engraving have disappeared. LOQ Cheers Bo Bill Carr skrev i meddelelsen <38214AFB.1BEC8E2A@of.telia.no>... >http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/kron.html > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:36:30 GMT In article <38223714_7@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > As far as I can see, the ONLY players backing you up right now > are beginners, grade 3,4 and 5 amateurs, and some asshole I never told you I was "backing" Dave. I just wasn't backing your biased, jump-to-conclusionistic, skunk-shit opinions. > ...named PAT whose lucky if can get thru Scotland the Brave. If I play it slowly, and have my PM tune my pipes, I can. :> Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:46:36 GMT In article <19991105034406.04196.00002035@ng-fh1.aol.com>, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: > To make it fair, make sure Mitch DOESN'T have ten pints, he only plays better > as he drinks more. > Bill Someone who drinks 10 pints only "thinks" they play better. That's just John showing his "liquid courage" mentality, again. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:15:08 GMT In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: >I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation >for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, >my chanter reed of the past three months has been >getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a >begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in a >very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the end >of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? > >Thanks for the help. Matt Bb 440 ? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:29:54 GMT On 05 Nov 1999 08:44:06 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>I'll play you anywhere, anytime! >> > >Maxville next summer???? Pay-per-view? > >> I'll play a complete set of Gibsons. The most equvalent challenge John could be make, is to play the contest with a set of pipes of his own making. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim McGill Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:55:04 -0800 Maeve wrote: > on! I worked 6 hours with Angus today! And I can't wait until morning to have > a go at him again! Just a note of caution there, Maeve, don't up your practice time too fast, you can get into tendonitis and have to lay off for months. Also make sure you are stretching your forearms and shoulders out before and, more importantly, after practice. Playing pipes is an athletic event (some would call it an extreme sport :-), and needs to be treated the same way as running or lifting. Jim (been there, done that, nearly died of frustration) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:33:58 GMT On 5 Nov 1999 13:19:33 -0500, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > > > >> JOHN MITCHELL wrote: >> "raising the pitch,will give it sweetness". > >Hopefully John will one day hear my ebony/cocobola/sterling >Highland pipes in A made by Hamish Moore. Sweet indeed. > >Matt What you need to do is sink that reed in as far as you can get, and then carve the lowerhand up to meet it. Then you'll have some tone there. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:44:28 GMT >Just a note of caution there, Maeve, don't up your practice time too fast, >you >can get into tendonitis and have to lay off for months. Also make sure you >are >stretching your forearms and shoulders out before and, more importantly, >after >practice. Playing pipes is an athletic event (some would call it an extreme >sport :-), and needs to be treated the same way as running or lifting. > >Jim (been there, done that, nearly died of frustration) > Jim, This crazy Irish lass practices 6 hrs EVERYDAY! Or almost. Incredible isn't it? So to her it's just an avg day. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New gibson chanter Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:41:37 GMT On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:21:24 -0500, smitty wrote: >Royce Lerwick wrote: >> >> On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:47:11 -0500, smitty wrote: >> >> >Does anyone have any REAL experience with Gibsons newest Solo BW >> >chanter? I'm debating, And I usually respect the opinions on this NG. >> >Please no sales pitches...Just people who have owned this years >> >model....Thank you, Smitty >> >> Funny, the way you put that implies that most people who express >> opinions here don't have any REAL experience with the products they're >> debating. There's only one or two guys I know so far who've actually >> given vehement reviews of products or personalities they have no REAL >> experience with. >> >> Royce >> >> (But then, they can also define "REAL" to mean whatever it is they >> *do* have experience with and that makes it OK.) > >This is not the information that I am requesting. Smitty. anyone else? Not when you ask like *that.* Just have John tell you it's a gift from God then. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:26:56 GMT >>the pipe majors mace? Is that the same stuff the females use to fend off John? LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:17:41 -0500 On 5 NOV 99 18:15:08 GMT, meek@skyway.usask.ca wrote: >In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: >>I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation >>for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, >>my chanter reed of the past three months has been >>getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a >>begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in a >>very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the end >>of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? >> >>Thanks for the help. Matt > > Bb 440 ? That would actually be a Low A of 467 Hz. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 05 Nov 1999 19:25:14 GMT >. in sunny Florida . . where it's 78 today, Bill! :) GRRRRRR! ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:24:32 -0400 Ccc31807 wrote: > FWIW, IMHO, John Mitchell has the better of the discussion. Just considering > the MERITS of the various points that have been made, discounting the > personalities and the personal attacks, and having no axe to grind or any > personal involvement with either the product of the people, I would accept > John's assessment of the phenolic chanter as being a truer characterization > than Dave's, Mark's, Charlie's, and all the others. > > I have reasons for this, based on the MERITS (as I have said) of the > discussion, and I will not publicly discuss them, although I will be glad to > communicate with others on a private basis if they wish. On this topic, I am a > disinterested observer as well as an uninterested one. This reminds me of the recent Saturday Night Live skit spoofing TV news broadcasts wherein Jerry Seinfeld was the news anchor and in the promo for the upcoming news broadcast he says in a very serious voice "President assassinated!- - - BUT, President of WHAT? Details at 10!" In other words, isn't this post something of a tease, Charles? You post publicly to assert that you agree with John Mitchell but you won't publicly say why? You're not interested, but well - maybe just enough to throw this out there and get everybody wondering? This is not a flame or personal attack - just questioning your rhetorical "integrity". .. Doug C. -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. -- Mignon McLaughlin - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:23:22 GMT >It's really difficult to know where to jump in on this thread. Wiser people >might avoid it altogether. Although I have been called a "wiseguy" at >times, no one has called me "wise" so throwing caution to the wind, I plunge FWIW, IMHO, John Mitchell has the better of the discussion. Just considering the MERITS of the various points that have been made, discounting the personalities and the personal attacks, and having no axe to grind or any personal involvement with either the product of the people, I would accept John's assessment of the phenolic chanter as being a truer characterization than Dave's, Mark's, Charlie's, and all the others. I have reasons for this, based on the MERITS (as I have said) of the discussion, and I will not publicly discuss them, although I will be glad to communicate with others on a private basis if they wish. On this topic, I am a disinterested observer as well as an uninterested one. Back to the drawing board, Dave. Surely your first commercial effort was not the best you could do. We can all benefit from your continuing efforts to build upon and improve what you already have. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:13:47 -0500 On 5 Nov 1999 16:56:10 -0500, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > > >Chris Hamilton wrote in article >> On 5 NOV 99 18:15:08 GMT, meek@skyway.usask.ca wrote: >> >In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > >> >>I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation >> >>for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, >> >>my chanter reed of the past three months has been >> >>getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a >> >>begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in >a >> >>very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the >end >> >>of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? >> >> Bb 440 ? > >> That would actually be a Low A of 467 Hz. > >> Chris > >Yea - like he said. > >Matt > >P.S. So what's the answer? Do you keep the reed in a chanter cap / dry stock between sessions? Do you have a watertrap? Is your practice environment extraordinarily dry? Does it settle down and stay put eventually? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 16:56:10 -0500 Chris Hamilton wrote in article > On 5 NOV 99 18:15:08 GMT, meek@skyway.usask.ca wrote: > >In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > >>I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation > >>for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, > >>my chanter reed of the past three months has been > >>getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a > >>begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in a > >>very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the end > >>of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? > >> Bb 440 ? > That would actually be a Low A of 467 Hz. > Chris Yea - like he said. Matt P.S. So what's the answer? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:24:23 GMT >FWIW, IMHO, John Mitchell has the better of the discussion. Come on Charles How can you say that????? You know full well that even if Kron had developed the first super powered bagpipe chanter that was taking the piping world by storm, he'd claim "it sucks"! Or is it just because you play the "G" instrument? Anyone who reads this NG knows John will never say anything good about Kron ever! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:27:25 GMT >In other words, isn't this post something of a tease, Charles? You post >publicly >to assert that you agree with John Mitchell but you won't publicly say why? Of course it is! And he'll debate privately ONLY because he knows his logic is flawed. Mitch will never EVER say anything good about Kron, period end of story. We all know that. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 06 Nov 1999 00:13:19 GMT >>Around here it seems to be the other way around. > >Put it this way: the first grade 4 band to show up with drones and >chanters tuned wins. > I was talking solos, not bands. From the few band contests I've listened to, grade 5 is pretty grim. Grade 4 can run all the way from "almost grade 5" to "why aren't you guys in grade 3?" Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 06 Nov 1999 00:17:24 GMT > I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the end >of its time on earth. Am I right? Probably, but that's nothing that a mandrel couldn't fix. Then again, you might WANT an easy reed for that parade. I'm doing the same thing myself. Playing my plastic pipes into shape for a couple of outdoor gigs. Sure, I can play in cold weather but I HATE what it does to the sound. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 01:38:06 GMT >In other words, isn't this post something of a tease, Charles? You post >publicly >to assert that you agree with John Mitchell but you won't publicly say why? >You're not interested, but well - maybe just enough to throw this out there >and >get everybody wondering? > >This is not a flame or personal attack - just questioning your rhetorical >"integrity". .. Thanks, Doug. I'll try to justify my post. John Mitchell has a reputation as a fine player who is always searching for a better way to do things. His posts have consistantly shown him to be open minded. His initial review was a fair review, in the sense of finding good and bad qualities, and being supportive of improvement of the product. It was not a slam, even though he had some unfavorable things to say. His style is abrasive, but if you discount that, his review was mixed, some good and some bad. The immediate response was, "Our product is perfect, we are not changing a thing, and by the way, our meters and gauges and calculations and mathematics prove you are wrong, so there." After that, "We too can play, just not on the bagpipe." When you think about the posts, those from Kron and Atherton, et al., seem to be strangely defensive and off point. Compare them with Mark Lee's posts about his drone reeds. Mark is not defensive, is open to a fault, and attempts to give his reeds to as many good players as possible. See what I mean about something being screwy with the responses to Mitchell's posts? I don't know Mitchell, Atherton, Kron, or anyone else (although I have had private correspondence with Mitchell and Atherton which was very constructive.) I've never seen or heard the phenolic chanter, and doubt that I ever will, unless it becomes a standard. Moreover, I live a complicated enough life without getting involved in this. I am an intermediate piper with an inexpensive set of pipes, and have no business getting into this discussion. I don't have anything to add, so I'm really not interested in continuing this. I just wanted to say that this observer feels that John Mitchell has the better of this discussion. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 01:48:54 GMT >Mitch will never EVER say anything good about Kron, period end of >story. We all know that. >Bill >Mar a bha Bill, what Mitch said was that the phenolic chanter was well balanced, and that it potentially could solve a lot of clarity problems and give a sweeter tone than other chanters. These were his exact words. Don't you ever read the posts you talk about? Or do you just prefer to slam the poster not knowing or caring whether your criticism is justified? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Megros Website Date: 06 Nov 1999 01:06:37 GMT Hi everyone Does anyone know how long the server has been down to the Megros Website I'd love to do business with them but can't get to the website to get an email addy. Anyone have the addy bookmarked and willing to share it with me? Thanks in advance, Lori - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 05 Nov 1999 17:25:13 GMT In article <382207A2.C36E2A37@ptialaska.net>, drossmil@ptialaska.net wrote: > Thanks for the depth of thought and reflection you brought to bear on > this post. > > We're all so much the richer for your contribution. > > Michael You're welcome. I'm just a small reflection in John's mirror. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:45:30 -0800 There are several possible causes to your problem. First, if you are a wet blower, you should remove the reed and let it dry out when you're done playing. An open-ended chanter cap is good for this. You might want to add a water trap if this recurs. You may be putting too much water into the bag, and a trap OR a synthetic bag may be what you need. If you were playing an easy reed to begin with, you might also try to open the reed up a little after playing by squeezing the blades apart SLIGHTLY. Opening the staple with a mandrel might help too, but BE CAREFUL how much you open it up. It only takes a LITTLE to alter the reed's characteristics considerably. Chris Apps has a reed adjustment kit. The book is the most important part. You should always have two or three backup reeds, already played in, to plug into your chanter in an emergency. NEVER rely on one reed. Buy them in bulk - it will save you headaches in the long run. A lot of people grouse about having to buy reeds, valves, whatever. If you're going to perform, you have to be ready for it. That includes a maintenance kit with backup drone and chanter reeds, hemp, seasoning, valves, innertube section to unstick a chanter, mandrel, reed file, razor knife, chanter tape, aspirin, antacid, sunscreen, you name it put it in the frigging box and keep it in the car. If you don't have it you WILL need it. If you have it, you probably won't. But someone else in your band probably will. Then THEY buy the beer, not you.... IS ...after 35 years, we're all still learning.... Matt Buckley wrote in message news:01bf27a2$4adf5a00$3d035bd1@default... > I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation > for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, > my chanter reed of the past three months has been > getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a > begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in a > very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the end > of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? > > Thanks for the help. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 21:09:58 -0500 JSLOANPR wrote in message <19991104204340.16249.00000931@ng-fw1.aol.com>... > >No one mentioned the Pipe Major of the day's mace flying to pieces in front of >the grandstand during closing ceremonies! A pipe major's mace flew to pieces? That REALLY must've been something to see! ;) > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Megros Website Date: 06 Nov 1999 04:57:01 GMT Thanks everyone that answered The site is up again on my end! Lori REmas16531 wrote: > lori I just opened the site at www.megros.com. (9pm cst 5.11.99) > try phoning 949-460-9325 10am-5pm pst - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Iain Macey - Reeds Date: 05 Nov 1999 22:01:36 -0900 Annie97 wrote: > I am unable to access Iain Macey's website (my browser keeps telling me I need > to pay to see it. . . . ) Would someone be kind enough to email me and let me > know his address? I would like to buy some of his cane drone reeds. > > Thanks very much. :-) > > Annie :-) socks@modempool.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 02:00:19 GMT > Or is it just because you play >the "G" instrument? No one cares what I play, Bill. I have an inexpensive set of learner pipes with no name on them, and four chanters, Naill, Shepherd, Gibson, and Hardie. If I ranked them in order, it would be (1) Naill, (2) Shepherd, (3) Gibson and Hardie (tie). >Anyone who reads this NG knows John will never say anything good about Kron >ever! In my previous post, I quoted JM as saying some nice things about Kron. 'Nuff said. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-Shirts!! Date: 06 Nov 1999 01:48:35 GMT >My Zudupiper shirt came in the mail today!!! That was really quick! I only mailed them on Wed AM. Glad you like it! Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matheson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Iain Macey - Reeds Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:47:50 -0600 I got there using this URL: http://www.modempool.com/socks/homepage.html#Passports Click on continue and select reeds from applet bar, and you are there. Les Annie97 wrote in message <19991105201249.02914.00002336@ng-ft1.aol.com>... >I am unable to access Iain Macey's website (my browser keeps telling me I need >to pay to see it. . . . ) Would someone be kind enough to email me and let me >know his address? I would like to buy some of his cane drone reeds. > >Thanks very much. :-) > >Annie :-) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-Shirts!! Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:54:15 -0800 Yeah, Dave, got my two today. The wife fell over laughing when I gave them to her.... Glad you like the books. A couple more tunes for you to look at - Patrick Og MacCrimmon's Lament, and Cherede Darievea Iain Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991105204835.16620.00002291@ng-fk1.aol.com... > >My Zudupiper shirt came in the mail today!!! > > That was really quick! I only mailed them on Wed AM. Glad you like it! > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: An interesting day . . . Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:33:03 -0500 Bagpiip wrote in message news:19991105134428.02573.00001324@ng-cn1.aol.com... > >Just a note of caution there, Maeve, don't up your practice time too fast, > >you > >can get into tendonitis and have to lay off for months. Also make sure you > Jim, This crazy Irish lass practices 6 hrs EVERYDAY! Or almost. Incredible > isn't it? > So to her it's just an avg day. Thanks, Jim, for the warning! I have slowly built up to this, as Bill is right. I do practice between 3-6 hours a day, depending on the day. An hour a day is unusual and *painful" for me . . .I go through withdrawal! Generally I send between 3-4 hours a day . . . six is extreme for even ME!!!! Depends on what I am obsessing with at the time. It is not unusual for me to spend an hour straight on ONE movement, trying to get it better. I have to do this with no one home or it makes everyone here batty!! Winni, (mom cat) runs off and hides. Shadow (baby cat) curls up at my feet and still tries to nurse on my leg occasionally . .. don't know how to make her quit! I fighting with things right now (since my day with Sandy) so there is hardly a moment goes by that I don't have the chanter or Angus in my hands. They reside on the kitchen island so they are always in sight, causing more drive to get it right. Nice technique if you can live with it! I used to have my weight training equipment in a room with a direct view from the TV. That worked too . . .feelings of guilt . . . . but it only lasted a few years! :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . .back to practice after a nice break :) http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:27:49 GMT In article <38237f35_4@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >These reeds might be good for the 98% > of the players out there that have trouble setting up their pipes, >but in > reality > it doesn't matter what the amateur player uses as it will sound the >same > anyway. Yes, we amateurs pride ourselves on our clone-like sound. I'm having my neighbor bore sets of little-league baseball bats on his Shop-Smith Mk-V and sell them at the next games as "Okla-stani" pipes. Shove in any drone reed which will fit and we're off to the races. We rummies all sound the same anyway. > so why do I even concern myself with it all? Can't save the world John. Leave us to self-destruct. Leave us to wallow in our own filth and ignorance. When we have reduced ourselves to lowly slugs, return and make us whole once more. We will eagerly bask in the warmth of your radiance. We will, once more, walk upright, give thanks to you, and never stray from the light of your truth. Sorry......I smeared some burnt motor-oil through my hair and was warming up for my part as "Elmer Gantry." > Hey if someone wants to spend $300.00 bucks (US) on a so-so chanter, > then go ahead, buy it! I can buy a dog-whistle at Albertsons for $3.00, how much did yours cost? Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron Venturi chanter stocks Date: 05 Nov 1999 20:40:56 -0700 If the price is right, I will take one. How much?? Don madman wrote: > I've got 6 Venturi stocks left.... > Anyone who wants one ,drop me an email. > For those who don't know the geometry of the Venturi Stock allows > for a 12-15% decrease in playing pressure. > The venturi stock features two opposing radii,instead of a cylindrical > bore..thus increasing the pressure of airflow over the lips of the reed. > Those of you playing hardish -mediums or just plain hard reeds will > benefit the most. > Mark Lee did the volumetric/pressure data on the original prototype, > maybe he'll post his data again. > Bottom line..the thing works,and it works quite well. > This is a late -twentieth century development,and can't be made > without the use of CNC contol of a two-axis coordinate system. -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition Date: 02 Nov 1999 08:55:46 -0500 dnimmo wrote in message news:s1tmk1am24242@corp.supernews.com... > so........as long as Maeve calls him(them) "Angus", she is going to tweak > the interest of all good Scots.................. > > Maeve ! Is Angus from Aberdeen ? Of COURSE Angus is from Aberdeen!! :) While I was over there, I was trying to take Angus home for a visit and check up on his new cousin for Wayne! Didn't make it that far. Oh, well . . maybe next August when we are in Scotland, Angus can make his pilgrimage to his home :) Or in May when I'm in the Shetlands for a month. . . who knows. . . . maybe next week if the urge strikes! My arraignment is Tuesday . .. I might just want to RUN after that! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . the Felon Piper http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:11:48 -0500 Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote in message news:38226E23.A1E7D6A6@ptialaska.net... > Maeve wrote: > > > Iain!!!!!!!! I BLOODY TOLD YOU . . . NO comments beyond ATTA GIRL! > > Hey - Maeve's got a temper! Ahhh . . . but I smiled when I said that :) :) :) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida . . where it's 78 today, Bill! :) http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 10:54:31 GMT >These reeds might be good for the 98% >of the players out there that have trouble setting up their pipes, but in >reality >it doesn't matter what the amateur player uses as it will sound the same >anyway. Yeah guys listen up here: anyone under grade2 we ALL suck! and sound the same. JOHN: Don't you realize what a condescending attitude this is? Your posts of late are so badly tainted by your personal dislike for Dave and Mark that I'm questioning any advice or opinions you now give. Your letting your personal feelings taint your opinions, a very bad scenario, since you risk bringing into question your motives on all your posts. Next time read what you wrote before hitting the "send" button. Your obsession with Kron and Lee reeds is just bringing you down in everyones eyes (except the blind followers who misguidedly cry "Mitchell is god") >so why do I even concern myself with it all? Because you hate them for proving you wrong and embarasing you. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 06 Nov 1999 10:43:58 GMT >Well, judging from Jerry's past Performance, you can't go wrong! Yes! Please read the "Gibson" threads so you can see the kind of customer service you'll receive when you buy from him. >He does put out an excellent product, and if quality of sound is >more important to you, What kind of sound is he looking for? If you want a loud harsh band instrument buy Gibson, but if you want a sweet pleasant-to-the-ear sound for solo buy Kron. >Lets put it this way, what's the worst thing that can happen, Your drones can crack, and you'll wait 6 mos for a replacement part ( again see "Gibson" threads) your UNTHREADED mounts will (and usually do) go flying off, so invest in some good glue. OTOH, all of KRONS fittings are threaded on, and customer complaints are NIL! Another thing to consider is ease of tuning, if your in a band and your PM does it for you, your all set. If however your going solo you should consider ease of tuning, again choose Kron for that reason. GREAT pipes for a newbie. Now I'm sure Mitch will tell you I'm a begginer dummie with little experience, he's right. But consider this: John is good enough he could play ANY brand of pipe and make it sound just fine, so his advice is tainted by so much experience (which is usually good) but in this case it's not as useful, especially since he has a "relationship" with Jerry Gibson (rumor has it that he gets a kick-back for recomending people, but I'm not sure how true this is), I have none with Kron other than being a satisfied customer. I on the other hand am struggling with the simple things that he doesn't worry about. Case in point: Your a begginer clarinet player who can only play the scale, who do you get advice from, the worlds best clarinet player whose going to tell you things that go way over your head, or your instructor who while he/she isn't on your level, he/she knows where YOUR at in your lessons? >I'm sure you will be more than pleased with his products as >you might be using them for a life time. "MIGHT" being the important word here. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:01:38 GMT >John Mitchell has a reputation as a fine player who is always searching for a >better way to do things. WHAT??? Pure crap! He shuns anything new and unproved. Read his posts and get your head out of your ass Charles. For gawds sake, just when you thought you've read it all, you come out with this bit of garbage. >His posts have consistantly shown him to be open >minded. LOLOLOL More humour. >When you think about the posts, those from Kron and Atherton, et al., seem to >be strangely defensive and off point. More crap! >See what I mean about >something being screwy with the responses to Mitchell's posts? > They are more personal, because these two have been "sparring" for years now. >I don't know Mitchell, Atherton, Kron, or anyone else No but you DO PLAY GIBSONS RIGHT??? Everyone see a pattern here? >I live a complicated enough life >without getting involved in this. But you continuously DO SO.. >I just wanted to say that this observer feels that John Mitchell has the >better >of this discussion. Yes, a very "tainted" observation it is. Just ignore that Johns posts are opinions, and Daves are hard facts. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:02:52 GMT >what Mitch said was that the phenolic chanter was well balanced, and that >it potentially could solve a lot of clarity problems and give a sweeter tone >than other chanters. And the rest goes on to say it's garbage. I think YOU need to re-read the post. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:03:17 GMT >Don't you ever read the posts you talk about? Apparently you don't. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:05:24 GMT >In my previous post, I quoted JM as saying some nice things about Kron. >'Nuff >said. No not "nuff said" you picked out a very small part of his post that WAS positive, and add that it was favorable, when in reality it said the chanter was a piece of shit. Read the rest of the post. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 06 Nov 1999 07:57:15 -0500 I'd be more inclined to go with Chris Hamilton's suggestion. Jerry's products are, generally, excellent and, in fact, I've been competing with a 1998 chanter for two years now with great results. This notion of "customer service" as regards our noble instrument seems to me to be a rather new one. I can recall one retailer about 5-6 years ago who specialized in Kintail (upon whose reputation, quality of sound and overall craftspersonship I will offer no comment) who flatly refused to do anything about cracks, bad sound, etc. Frankly, I haven't heard about Sinclair doing much in the way of customer service (though I could be wrong), nor have I heard or seen anything from our friend, Mr. Sheperd. Gibson's "customer service" may be found wanting, but at least he has something that resembles it. The fact is that most pipes don't develop problems unless there's some careless maintenance or, as in the case of the author of this thread, reed problems. Just my usual $.02 Bill Burt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The bagpipp Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:50:55 GMT >> >crap! >> >> >ass >> >> > garbage >> >> >More crap! >> >> >very "tainted" >> Far more mild than the language most use here. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The bagpipp Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:52:27 GMT >>crap! > >>ass > >> garbage > >>More crap! > >>very "tainted" > >Because of the muck that some people throw about, I am now instructing my >server to filter out all posts from bagpiip@aol.com. I think my piece of >mind >and enjoyment of this ng will be much improved. Mine too by not reading your slanted posts. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fernetta Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 06 Nov 1999 16:49:16 GMT In article <7vg8up$euq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: >Finally to the problem that > this post is about, trips for the boys. > > These trips are camouflaged by the title Workshops, to > enhance the movement of piping & drumming, and as part of the > deal the majority of bands who participate in the workshop's > are persuaded to invest in the particular chanter's, reed's & > drum's to which the judge/tutor is associated with ,and can > lead to vast amounts of cash being exchanged. > > Some band's are now under the impression that if they go to > a Major Championship playing the appropriate equipment, they > shall be in the prize list, and this is happening due to what > is being portrayed to them from the piping & drumming quarters. > Wining & dining influential judges,is now the winning way. Sad > really! > > So if your band would like to get placed or better still Win > a Major Championship then find out who is judging your grade, > and invite him over for an all expenses paid workshop!!! > and (Bob's your Uncle), your on to a winner before even >attending. This is just the kind of twaddle I hear from my daughter's high school marching band--"Their honor guard was chatting up the judges." "Their director whent to the same school as the judge."-- Why can't they admit that the out of tune bell solo lost the competition or that their pit crew wasn't as good as the other guy's. Why can't the adults that are supposed to be populating most pipe bands just use the score sheets to interperate where they need to improve their SKILL and use their TALENT instead of trying to find some unrelated excuse for their bad showing. If you think there is a problem with a judge talk to the association. > My final comment is this, I have been playing at competition > level for almost 20 years and I've seen and heard all the tricks > that go on in the competition world, and some of them are > absolutely despicable. I know that if I were to disclose > my name the bands I have played for over the years would be > hammered, as I have often witnessed, the slightest gripe and > your out.So I am not some inexperienced novice who does not > know what he is talking about. > > I am sure my comments will provoke some interesting > replies. > > Sam Strathclyde. > Nice try at a hand off Kief. Fernetta ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:36:28 GMT On 06 Nov 1999 01:48:54 GMT, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: >>Mitch will never EVER say anything good about Kron, period end of >>story. We all know that. >>Bill >>Mar a bha > >Bill, what Mitch said was that the phenolic chanter was well balanced, and that >it potentially could solve a lot of clarity problems and give a sweeter tone >than other chanters. These were his exact words. And unlike Mitchell, because he doesn't have a clue how chanters and reeds actually work, other than rote, Pavlovian, conditioning, what I've said is all you really need to do is move high A down about .1" and maybe futz with C to compensate and you have a well balanced chanter that plays up to John's "bright" pitch that solves a lot of clarity problems and gives a sweeter tone. Royce (Now, that may piss Charlie and Dave off a bit, because of artistic or musical preferences to a lower setup base pitch, and they may debate whether to set the third or 4th to this interval or that depending upon the prefered temperment, but those are technical, musical, and artistic arguments, that normal engineers, designers, and musicians have all the time in marketing a product. John has been however a benefit in such debates only in proving that the bottom line has to sometimes be "idiot proofing" the final production model to protect yourself from chuckleheads who will indeed expect to just plug in whatever reed they're playing now and set it up just like whatever chanter they're playing now, and have it come out bigger and better and brighter without any thought or understanding on their part. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:45:26 GMT On 06 Nov 1999 01:38:06 GMT, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: >John Mitchell has a reputation as a fine player who is always searching for a >better way to do things. His posts have consistantly shown him to be open >minded. His initial review was a fair review, in the sense of finding good and >bad qualities, and being supportive of improvement of the product. It was not >a slam, even though he had some unfavorable things to say. His style is >abrasive, but if you discount that, his review was mixed, some good and some >bad. What John actually said was it was shite and needed to be completely redesigned, and the material was brittle and unresponsive, had no tonal or projection qualities that would be worth having in a chanter at all. Later today I'm going to go out the the garage and turn down one of the blackwood Krons I've got and see if narrowing the neck/thinning walls makes any difference in upperhand pitch, so I can satisfy my own curiosity on the matter. Will probably end up filling and redrilling the high A hole a bit lower as well if still needed. But I'm already getting all the "tone" out of these you'd ever need, the point in debate is really adjusting pitch and intonation, which are not design or material items at all. If it works on the blackwood, maybe I'll have a go at the phenolic, but not because they're bad chanters, but because maybe they could be phenominally great chanters and it's worth the experimentation. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:07:09 GMT >Yes, we amateurs pride ourselves on our clone-like sound. I'm having >my neighbor bore sets of little-league baseball bats on his Shop-Smith >Mk-V and sell them at the next games as "Okla-stani" pipes. Shove in >any drone reed which will fit and we're off to the races. We rummies >all sound the same anyway. ohh ohh, where can I buy a set Mark? AMEN to the rest of your post! Good post! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The bagpipp Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 14:07:38 GMT >crap! >ass > garbage >More crap! >very "tainted" Because of the muck that some people throw about, I am now instructing my server to filter out all posts from bagpiip@aol.com. I think my piece of mind and enjoyment of this ng will be much improved. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron Venturi chanter stocks Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:50:49 GMT On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:40:56 -0700, sdon wrote: >If the price is right, I will take one. How much?? I don't know if they work at a base of 5400 feet above sealevel??? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 06 Nov 1999 10:57:26 -0900 Bill Burt wrote: > Frankly, I haven't heard about Sinclair doing much in the way of > customer service (though I could be wrong), You are wrong, at least in my experience. I bought my Sinclairs from Jimmy MacIntosh in 1990. When they developed a crack in one drone section (can'r even remember which at this point) I had a replacement in a reasonable time (weeks,not months). I was allowed to keep the damaged section until the replacement arrived, at no charge. This is probably as much to do with Jimmy MacIntosh as Sinclair, but still, my experience has been very positive. Best regards, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex_young@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 19:31:44 GMT In article <38237f35_4@news.newsfeeds.com>, > > Well, I guess a custom made reed might not be a bad idea, just as chanter > reeds > are made in different strengths and pitches for various chanters, but the > customer > better know what thier ordering. These reeds might be good for the 98% > of the players out there that have trouble setting up their pipes, but in > reality > it doesn't matter what the amateur player uses as it will sound the same > anyway. Oh yeah, I hate that amateur sound. The kind Chris Hamilton has, or that the Strathclyde Police have. Or even worse, the Alasdair Gillies. Yeah, I sure wouldn't want to have a sound like that. Quit digging yourself deeper dude, Alex Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 18:28:19 GMT On 05 Nov 1999 20:23:22 GMT, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: >Back to the drawing board, Dave. Surely your first commercial effort was not >the best you could do. We can all benefit from your continuing efforts to >build upon and improve what you already have. Back to the drilling rig you mean. The reality is, all that needs to be done to the phenolic chanter is the high A hole moved down about a tenth of an inch and then C moved down about the same or a touch more, and maybe some dorking with F and other intonation for polish, then you just sink the reed in until high A comes into tune. That's hardly a redesign. The reality is, what the Kron detractors do to Sinclairs is either run it stock, shove the reed in until high A is sharp, then tape that down a little, and retape the intonation to match or in short, exactly what you have to do to a Sinclair to get the pitch up without carving it, or, like Mitchell and company, shove the reed in till it bottoms out, sending high A very sharp, and carve the living crap out of the lowerhand to match the upperhand, and then tape/whittle the intonation all up and down to tune. Mitchell's assessment of the material itself couldn't have been more koff, down to calling it "brittle" and impossible to carve or file. That's asinine. Mitchell might even have had a point there when he was talking about the thinness of the chanter, particularly the upperhand, if he'd had even the slightest idea about what made a chanter work, instead of making the absurd claim that the chanter had to be left "thick" to keep it from exploding from its own fragility. The main difference in reality to the Kron and Sinclair is indeed that Sinclair is thinner in the upperhand, and also, but less so, in the lowerhand. Reducing the Kron OD in the upperhand would in fact have some significant effect in raising the pitch particularly of the upperhand, and probably come close to having the same effect of moving the high A down a bit, resulting in the same outcome, that of being able to shove the reed in deeper, bring the pitch up, and match the Sinclair. In the very new Sinclairs of course, these changes have apparently already been made, and the the neck is very slender and wall thickness throughout at a minimum. This probably developed out of necessity, do to after-market-butchering of previous models by the "big names" looking for that edge in pitch. This is also due in a very big part to the almost universal use of Shepherd chanter reeds, which have a very sweet, even balance, but are flattish especially when wet. But I've been in seminars with Mathieson and Tulley and listened to Coyne and Eller and others, and watched them personally watched the "Greats" set up brand new stock Sinclairs with Shepherd reeds. In every case they Sinclairs ended up with the reeds shoved in, tape of one degreed or another on the high A, and the D and E, and usually F and high G taped in significant amounts, particularly the C very often needed undercutting at least to bring it up to tune. The Kron needs tape on high A and C when you take the same approach, no carving, so in terms of bringing pitch up it's not all that big a problem. I can't argue the tone element, because I hear what I hear, and you'll hear what you hear. If pitch is the bitch that's very very easy to fix and the design isn't all that far off. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 22:51:53 GMT >> I just wanted to say that this observer feels that John Mitchell has >the better >> of this discussion. > >A typical legal beagle response. Defend the crooks and admit no guilt. >How appropriate. The only thing John is getting the "better of" is one >of Lindsay's chickens in the garage. > >Pat Little did I know that when I attempted to douse some of the flames with a pail of water that the pail was full of gasoline. I have neither seen nor heard the product under discussion, much less played it. And even if I had played it, I am not qualified to judge or review it. Nor do I know the personalities involved. I assume everyone is of good will until proven otherwise, and the principals in the conversation have good reputations in piping and related stuff. I made it clear that my only basis for saying what I said was the posts that have appeared on my CRT. Based on this, and this alone, I felt that John Mitchell had the better side. Disagree if you will, but tell me how and why I am wrong, instead of resorting to invective and vituperation. Would someone please explain to me why this topic has generated so much ill will? And why some of it has been directed my way? And don't say, "Because you'e wrong," without citing chapter and verse, showing me the exact nature of my error. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 06 Nov 1999 12:04:17 -0800 TO CONTINUE: and, also possibly, your reed may just be shot. Time for a new reed. Caca pasa. A good arguement for having a stock of blown-in reeds. All this tripe about needing a gutbuster reed to get good tone is just that. Band playing OR solo playing, a good reed will get you there. It doesn't have to kill you to play it. The problem is that most of the reeds available through bands for MANY years were the old gutbuster MacAllisters, that you had to soak, pinch, play, set aside., repeat daily for a month before you've got something playable and had good tone. The had that, but the work it took to get there isn't necessary. And many pipers still swear by them. I don't particularly like to have to spend three-quarters of my time trying to get tone out of an irascible reed; I'd rather try another one. And another one, and another, until I find the reeds I like best and that produce good tone from my chanter. That's the bottom line. Currently I like Andy Ross' reeds; I've recently tried Kirk Johnstone's, but I haven't played them enough to form an opinion. I'm currently trying one of mark Wygent's new chanter reeds, in conjunction with his new Duatone drone reeds, which are really great - for me. Everyone has different preferences. To say that something is 'shite' is not necessarily a universal truth. IS still learning after all these years. And so is everyone else. Iain Sherwood wrote in message news:s27cge6ehpc11@corp.supernews.com... > There are several possible causes to your problem. First, if you are a wet > blower, you should remove the reed and let it dry out when you're done > playing. An open-ended chanter cap is good for this. > > You might want to add a water trap if this recurs. You may be putting too > much water into the bag, and a trap OR a synthetic bag may be what you need. > > If you were playing an easy reed to begin with, you might also try to open > the reed up a little after playing by squeezing the blades apart SLIGHTLY. > Opening the staple with a mandrel might help too, but BE CAREFUL how much > you open it up. It only takes a LITTLE to alter the reed's characteristics > considerably. > > Chris Apps has a reed adjustment kit. The book is the most important part. > > You should always have two or three backup reeds, already played in, to plug > into your chanter in an emergency. NEVER rely on one reed. Buy them in > bulk - it will save you headaches in the long run. > > A lot of people grouse about having to buy reeds, valves, whatever. If > you're going to perform, you have to be ready for it. That includes a > maintenance kit with backup drone and chanter reeds, hemp, seasoning, > valves, innertube section to unstick a chanter, mandrel, reed file, razor > knife, chanter tape, aspirin, antacid, sunscreen, you name it put it in the > frigging box and keep it in the car. If you don't have it you WILL need it. > If you have it, you probably won't. But someone else in your band probably > will. Then THEY buy the beer, not you.... > > IS > > ...after 35 years, we're all still learning.... > Matt Buckley wrote in message > news:01bf27a2$4adf5a00$3d035bd1@default... > > I've been playing a great deal the past few weeks in preparation > > for the Vermont Veteran's Day parade tomorrow. This week, > > my chanter reed of the past three months has been > > getting dramatically sharp within the first 5-10 minutes after I a > > begin to play. Last night it rose from Bb 440 to 50+ cents over 440 in a > > very short time. I assume this is a sign that my reed is nearing/at the > end > > of its time on earth. Am I right? What else could be going on? > > > > Thanks for the help. Matt > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 06 Nov 1999 23:36:31 GMT >What actually happened in the tuning process was that as the >drone came towards being in tune, it seemed to sort of double tone, now I >have had this from cane but never from Eze's which I have played for over a >year. As I adjusted the done upwards the pitch dropped dramatically, far >more than it should, as the drone tuned down, just near the hemp line on the >pin, then the pitch rose too sharply. There seemed to be a cut off point >where the hemp line is located, the net effect being that when fine tuning a >millimetre's adjustment either way sent the drone nearly a whole note higher >or lower, a real puzzle. If anyone has any ideas as to what cased this I >would be most grateful. This has happened to me, with Henderson Harmonics. What happened was that as I lengthened the drone, at a certain point, the pitch ROSE about a semitone, and then tuned normally, When I shortened the drone, at a certain point, the pitch FELL, and then tuned normally. My conjecture was that the wave form of the tone altered with the physical attributes of the drone tube. Apparently, the length of the drone tube crossed some sort of boundry having to do with the wave length of the tone. The way I solved the problem was altering the physical characteristics of the reed, by moving the tuning screw and the bridle. This worked, after a period of trial and error. I'll bet that someone familiar with the calculations could show that the diameter and length of the drone bore was very close to the wave length of a partial. This is my theory, anyway. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 21:32:11 GMT In article <19991105203806.02249.00001503@ng-cs1.aol.com>, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: > Thanks, Doug. I'll try to justify my post. > > John Mitchell has a reputation as a fine player who is always searching for a > better way to do things. How can he be "searching" when his way is the best and only way already. His posts have consistantly shown him to be open > minded. WOW! John, open minded. Surely you jest. >...His style is > abrasive, I'd say his "style" is caustic and nauseating at best. His opinions are chocked full of bias and putrefication. > I just wanted to say that this observer feels that John Mitchell has the better > of this discussion. A typical legal beagle response. Defend the crooks and admit no guilt. How appropriate. The only thing John is getting the "better of" is one of Lindsay's chickens in the garage. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 06 Nov 1999 23:42:13 GMT >At no time now or in future, have I ever received any monetary compensation >or material goods for my recommendations of Gibson Products. I accept your word on that John. As I said, it was A "rumor" and from a questionable source. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 06 Nov 1999 23:50:14 GMT >It's only condescending if you take it personally, but from an >entertainment point of view, yea you do suck. Hmm thats something to think about... but that is kind of a "personal type" statement to make. > That doesn't mean >I won't have a beer with ya! Can you squeeze me in there with the dancing bears and midgets? LOL >Where do you get off telling me who I like or dislike? I think it's pretty obvious from your past posts that you certainly don't like a few people here, Dave included. >What exactly have they proved me wrong about? Well maybe another way of putting it makes more sense. You cited opinions, he cited hard numbers from scientific measureing devices. It's hard to compare the two, and the hard numbers come out ahead in my book, because they're not subject to the "human factor" of personal feelings or opinions formed beforehand. I'm starting my walk to Maxville now for that beer... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 06 Nov 1999 22:31:19 GMT >Bill, you can't just "make" a set of pipes sound fine as if >I had some godly powers to make it so. >It comes from years of experimenting with different products >and setup combinations. Aw, bullshit. If you half an ear and know how to manipulate reeds and use tape (while blowing steady) you can sound pretty darn good. The hardest part is developing the ear. In a couple of weeks I will have been piping 5 years, so I don't agree that it takes years and years and years. Ringo could vouch for my pipe setup because he played my pipes for quite a while at Altamont and liked them. They sounded better when he was done tweaking them, though. It's not rocket science. At least to get to the threshold of good tone, which is about where I am. But a hell of a lot of little things have to be exactly right. And no, before you start in again, I still can't play worth a f--- compared to you but that isn't what we're talking about. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:52:51 GMT >Aw come on Zu, you don't call that setup you had tone do you? > (put on your sarcastic boots) Of course not Zu, your only a lowly grade3 ignoramus piper whose dumb enough to buy crap like Krons, and since they're Krons they could ONLY sound like crap, and you don't know better! (was I on the mark John?). I guess Ringo was wrong too then eh John? >You still have a few more years to go, >before you figure out that you >don't have a good sound. > Yes Zu, and be sure to tell those grade3 judges who placed you in the prize list that they're deaf too. I thought you sounded pretty good at Altamont too, but what the heck do I know... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:46:59 GMT >Thanks for saving me the keystrokes Bill, LOL I thought you'd enjoy that! > but you don't have any business >recommending anything concerning bagpipes. You don't have the experience >or the knowledge base to make a qualified statement about bagpipe products. Let me ask you this then: Am I more or less qualified to judge something I've actually heard, than a person who has lots of experience but makes statements about pipes they've never heard before? >Once you develope your ear for hearing good tone, then you'll realize >those Krons that you play, just don't measure up, and then you'll realize >just how foolish you look now trying to defend this maker. I doubt it... too many really good pipers have said the sound is just fine. >Bill, you can't just "make" a set of pipes sound fine as if >I had some godly powers to make it so. >It comes from years of experimenting with different products >and setup combinations. I know there is alot of setups out >there that just don't work and that's why some players will >always sound bad, but it's a matter of knowing what >works and how to achieve it thru various techniques and >using your ear to detemine if the sound is true or not. You just repeated what I said (or meant to) that your experience on setting up pipes gives you a good advantage in making a table leg sound good. >That's only because I know what works, and part of that solution is >working with a good proven chanter, and knowing what reeds to >put in it. But what's a "proven chanter"? One thats been around a long time? Again I think this backs up my view that you have a "new is bad, so I'll let the other guys do the proving for me, and I'll pick one up later after they're proven" attitude, and a natural resistance (normal human trait) to change, so much so I must question your motives. >Your confusing the issue with good instruction. There are good players >who can't teach, but there are many good players that can show you >the basics right the first time. A good instructor is always aware of the >students capabilities and limitations. > > Your right! This was a poor example. To any who were offended by my harsh tone with horrific words like "crap" and "ass" I'm sorry about my early morning tactlessness. I meant no offense to Charles or anyone else, I just tend to be more "opinionated" in the mornings before or during my morning tea. I'll try to wait a wee bit later in the day to post anything. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:06:20 GMT >You know Bill, it occurs to me that you really don't know anything >about me or really the piping world for that matter. Both maybe true John, my opinion is based mostly on what I've read here. You can throw in the part about "the piping world" to distract me, and if this NG was "the piping world" I'd hesitate to let my daughter enter that world, but luckily the real world is far more forgiving, and this place far more fun. >It is common practice to try everything new. But have you found anything new or cutting edge that you consider any good? >I've played more chanters and reed setups than I can remember. Here again, did you actually put one set-up or product into use, or just dismiss it as "crap"? Did you give it a fair chance? Probaly not... >Its not just Kron that I don't care for, It's not Kron pipes you dislike, it's the guys behind the pipes that I get the feeling you dislike (I'll leave it at that, and not bring up face to face conversations we've had on the subject). >Please in future, don't assume anything about me. You don't >know me well enough to make statements about me. > Fair nuff John, but I will continue to make judgements about you on line based on what I read here, as everyone here seems to enjoy doing so much (even though its a virtual beer tent). Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:10:13 GMT >>The full story was >>that he hemped the joints too tight and it cracked all 3 stocks when >>the hemp swelled. > >As I recall, it was one stock... > Either way, does this give Gibson a reason to make him wait 6mos for replacements? There was NO EXCUSE for it. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:58:34 GMT >>Well maybe another way of putting it makes more sense. You cited opinions, he >>cited hard numbers from scientific measureing devices. It's hard to compare >>the >>two, and the hard numbers come out ahead in my book, because they're not >>subject to the "human factor" of personal feelings or opinions formed >>beforehand. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is what we will do. We will set up all sort of gauges and meters and derive integral and differential equations to ... see who is a better composer - Beethovan or Joe the Ragpicker; see who is a better pianist - Van Cliburn or Susie the Church Hymn Player; see who is the better artist - Picasso or the famous Austrian born artist Adolf Hitler; etc., etc. Or the ultimate end of science - to prove or disprove the existance of God or the human soul. Come on - this is what I was talking about. One man, a proven performer, says one thing. The response is - "let's hook up all sorts of gadgets and use all sorts of formulae to prove him wrong." If you are talking about something that can be measured empirically, that's one thing. But with a musical instrument, you can't measure tone or beauty or musicality. Royce Lerwick has the instrument in his possession. He has the inclination to fiddle with it, and the musical taste to improve it. Try and tell him that it's perfect the way that it is. I'll be that he will have no patience with the notion of removing the "human factor" of personal feelings or opinions. All major human advances were first achieved by a few brave souls who ventured to do something different, despite evident danger. Dave Atherton and Charley Kron have the balls to do something different. Yes, they will probably fail, but that's beside the point. And I read John Mitchell's review as supporting them in their attempt to do something better. But let's gid rid of this notion that we have to do it by the numbers, and bravo to those who have the courage to break the mold and try something different. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:17:10 GMT >Thank God SOMEONE has said it at last. This idiot has been jammed up this NG >with his stupid, inane, uninformed remarks for months now and he's getting >worse by the day. Yes, and with your useful comments I'm even more encouraged. Maybe you should share your stupid emails with everyone too. Most here know your history, go back on those meds that kept you in control Tom. >Bill knows sweet FA. about how to play the simplest tune >properly never mind how to blow a tone or anything else Weather its true or not is irrelevant. I'm entitled to my opinion even if it's not as well informed as some others. >And he's telling John Mitchell what the >best pipes are??????? Not Best pipes, just what I know to be good pipes. Lets get a straight answer from you here: How can you judge the sound of a set of pipes you've never heard? Yeah ignore that question. In this instance I'm better informed than John since I at least LISTENED to the pipes of which I speak. >When is this farce going to end, eh, Bill?? > Never! Keep reading my posts Tom, I sense your blood pressure rising LOL! Go pop a vein. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 02:24:46 GMT And you have contributed????? on this subject???? on any subject??????? bingo Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >In my previous post, I quoted JM as saying some nice things about Kron. > >'Nuff > >said. > > No not "nuff said" you picked out a very small part of his post that WAS > positive, and add that it was favorable, when in reality it said the chanter > was a piece of shit. Read the rest of the post. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 07 Nov 1999 03:15:15 GMT >Aw come on Zu, you don't call that setup you had tone do you? > At least the threshold of tone. Too bad you weren't around when Ringo was playing my pipes....then you could have heard some tone. My pipes are capable of producing it; I'm the weak link at the moment. >You still have a few more years to go, >before you figure out that you >don't have a good sound. My ears are still developing. Judges' ears must still be developing too, since they generally have nice things to say about my instrument, even when I'm not in the prize list. In a few more years maybe they'll figure out that I didn't have a good sound after all, and grab back my medals from this season. By then I'll be in grade 2 or 1 and I won't be too concerned about it. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 02:22:30 GMT Another fence side picker! Why don't you actually post something of substance You are wasting bandwidth! I don't really care if you don't like JOHN take it private! Lori oshpiper wrote: > In article <19991105203806.02249.00001503@ng-cs1.aol.com>, > ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: > > > Thanks, Doug. I'll try to justify my post. > > > > John Mitchell has a reputation as a fine player who is always > searching for a > > better way to do things. > > How can he be "searching" when his way is the best and only way already. > > His posts have consistantly shown him to be > open > > minded. > > WOW! John, open minded. Surely you jest. > > >...His style > is > > abrasive, > > I'd say his "style" is caustic and nauseating at best. His opinions are > chocked full of bias and putrefication. > > > I just wanted to say that this observer feels that John Mitchell has > the better > > of this discussion. > > A typical legal beagle response. Defend the crooks and admit no guilt. > How appropriate. The only thing John is getting the "better of" is one > of Lindsay's chickens in the garage. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:32:05 GMT >This is what we will do. We will set up all sort of gauges and meters and >derive integral and differential equations to ... >see who is a better composer - Beethovan or Joe the Now your taking it completely out of context. The conversation were discussing was Meters, dials and gauges vs Johns (tainted?) opinion. They were debateing loudness, and other traits that CAN be measured, so the readings are relevant in the discussion. >And I read John Mitchell's review as supporting >them in their attempt to do something better. Sure! Calling it Shit, and saying it needs a total redesign is very encourageing for them to hear. I guess he really meant it was a new and inspirational idea whose time had come. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:34:35 GMT >That's pure rubbish Bill, A good set of Drones can be setup for either >a solo or band application. Yes, by a guy like you whose been doing it for 6 million years, but it takes far more effort for the rest of us. >Hmmmm threads? Oh yes there's just dozens and dozens of threads >about complaints from Gibson products. I think there has been a grand sum >of one thread about a guy that had 3 cracked stocks. Re-read it, there were a few others who joined in with complaints too, which you categorically deny or ignore. >The full story was >that he hemped the joints too tight and it cracked all 3 stocks when >the hemp swelled. As I recall, it was one stock... >That's because all of Kron's customers are rank beginners and wouldn't know >a good sound if they heard it. Maybe true, but thats why we beginners have advisors/instructors. > Seems that the priority of a Kron customer >is that their pipes look pretty! Sound is secondary to them? Nonsense! I bought them for the sound, not the looks. >As far as ferrules go, this is an issue created entirely by Kron >in order to drum up some lame excuse for knocking down >the Scottish Makers about their quality of workmanship. I saw a guy playing Gibsons at the church across the street,(loud and coarse sound) I wandered over and during a break had a chat with him, he was VERY unkind telling about his pipes, and when I noticed crooked ferrules I asked if they'd come off, to which he muttered "f****** constantly", so I asked about maintainence, and these were'nt his first set (3rd actually) of pipes, and he seemed to know the proper care of his pipes, so that leaves only bad workmanship. One other set I saw (but not heard) the bores weren't concentric (a big word I learned from Madman on the NG LOL) and when you twisted the drones the tops looked like helicopter blades. Now I admit that just cause this guy has been a piper for 12 years doesn't mean he knows how to set up his pipes for optimum sound, but so far I'm judging based on the two sets I've seen, not opinions on something I've NEVER heard. >Just look at Sinclair, Naill, Shepherd >and others that have proven themselves in the field by >the popular use and demand for their products. And I sincerely believe someday Kron will be seen in the same light, but it's hard for a new maker to gain acceptance, so only time will tell whose right. >What has Kron ever done? Made pipes. >Other makers have well made products too, but don't hold >up in the sound department either, but at least they don't >come on this NG and criticize and accuse others of bad >workmanship! I kinda agree here. I'll leave it at that. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: NG Badge pin! Date: 07 Nov 1999 03:24:22 GMT << Sorry I didnt catch the price? >> We don't have one yet. Probably $30 US ballpark. We're getting an estimate from a jeweler, now that Maeve has a mold the right size. Should have it in a week or 2. I can add you to the Badge Mailing List if you want....that's how we update everybody on progress, cost, and stuff. Let me know... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 02:19:32 GMT Ok Bill, Please, Why don't you stick to what you can contribute about? Please? All of the posts you have sent recently are to get on "one side of the fence" just like in primary school where you don't care who is wrong or right, you are just gonna gang up with your friends and dis the opponent. Do you have any idea how you are being viewed by everyone? I suspect that many people have filtered you out long ago The line to Mitch about you thinking this place is more fun than the actual real world leads me to believe that like a class clown you are acting out here to get a rise out of people. Well its getting old and tiring Why don't you post a meaningful post, just once!!!!......seeking advice on annnnnnny subject about piping.....so we know you are here for some other reason than hoping to hone your sad comedic skills??????? Thank you I'm off my soap box And all of you guys on "that" side of the fence can keep your posts to yourself.....because I can already predict who is going to send me a nasty reply because I spoke harshly to Billy Boy Save it! It will just get deleted! Bagpiip wrote: > >You know Bill, it occurs to me that you really don't know anything > >about me or really the piping world for that matter. > > Both maybe true John, my opinion is based mostly on what I've read here. You > can throw in the part about "the piping world" to distract me, and if this NG > was "the piping world" I'd hesitate to let my daughter enter that world, but > luckily the real world is far more forgiving, and this place far more fun. > > >It is common practice to try everything new. > > But have you found anything new or cutting edge that you consider any good? > > >I've played more chanters and reed setups than I can remember. > > Here again, did you actually put one set-up or product into use, or just > dismiss it as "crap"? Did you give it a fair chance? Probaly not... > > >Its not just Kron that I don't care for, > > It's not Kron pipes you dislike, it's the guys behind the pipes that I get the > feeling you dislike (I'll leave it at that, and not bring up face to face > conversations we've had on the subject). > > >Please in future, don't assume anything about me. You don't > >know me well enough to make statements about me. > > > > Fair nuff John, but I will continue to make judgements about you on line based > on what I read here, as everyone here seems to enjoy doing so much (even though > its a virtual beer tent). > > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 07 Nov 1999 04:37:43 GMT On 07 Nov 1999 03:18:53 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >>This has happened to me, with Henderson Harmonics. What happened was that as >>I >>lengthened the drone, at a certain point, the pitch ROSE about a semitone, >>and >>then tuned normally, When I shortened the drone, at a certain point, the >>pitch >>FELL, and then tuned normally. > >Something similar happened to me a while ago, but on Zetland pipes. For those >of you who aren't familiar, the drone uses plain old Wygent reeds but never >gets to a doubletone because of the low playing pressure. > >There was a point at which goofy things happened; I think it was with the drone >top almost all the way down, with very little room left. I played with the >screw and the bridle to get away from that position, and I haven't had the >problem again. > >Zu Yeah, there are a lot of drones, really bad ones mostly, that end up tuning too short and they'll pop into some other harmonic or something when that middle joint (basses mostly in this) gets just short enough. If any of you make reeds for UP or ssp or other smallpipes, there's a lot of leeway for where you can set them and still tune well because of the very long length of the tuning slides. That is, except when the slide gets too short or too long, at the extremes of the length, some pretty weird harmonic things can happen that will at least mess up the strike-in behavior. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 07:21:15 GMT >Ok Bill, >Please, >Why don't you stick to what you can contribute about? Please? I got news for you, it WAS contributing! >All of the posts you have sent recently are to get on "one side of the fence" >just >like in primary school where you don't care who is wrong or right, you are >just >gonna gang up with your friends This is totally wrong! I'm only sideing where I see mistruths being spread about the pipes I own, just as John does with Gibsons when he see's them take a beatin. I was usually the first beginer to speak up, so how could I be "sideing with my buddies"? I suppose you don't? The fact of the matter is, you are very predictable. In most of the threads I'm involved in I see the same lines drawn, newbies or beginners vs Grade2 or higher pipers. You John, Lindsay and sometimes Chris H. almost always agree with each other and stick together. I knew exactly where you'd stand on this before you spoke up. If your saying I don't contribute then don't read me, because obviously your not already to say that. I enjoyed our priv emails, and I'm hoping your just tired after a long day. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:29:15 -0500 On 07 Nov 1999 01:27:40 GMT, jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) wrote: >Someone from a church group ( Pentacostle ) ( sp ) called me tonight and said >they want a set of pipes for a young man who has a muscular disease and won't >live long. He is enamored with the pipes but will never be a player. >Can anyone direct me to a set of Paki pipes cheap, or a practise set, same. >He will most likely never even learn the scale. > >Many Thanks, > >Jim > >PS, I won't let the damn things anywhere near my Sinclair. Ha, I hear some of those Pentecostal groups will handle serpents and drink Airtight ... all the while speaking in cantaireachd ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: toadman5o6@aol.comnospam (TOADMAN5O6) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: playing pipes with jacket? Date: 07 Nov 1999 06:17:41 GMT We still have a way to go Yet Brian....at least another year before we do St pats as the KPD band...... Al Kuhn (Remove nospam for e-mail) "Slàinte agus buaidh gu bràth le gillean an airgeadach targaid" Kearny Police Pipes and Drums - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 01:27:40 GMT Someone from a church group ( Pentacostle ) ( sp ) called me tonight and said they want a set of pipes for a young man who has a muscular disease and won't live long. He is enamored with the pipes but will never be a player. Can anyone direct me to a set of Paki pipes cheap, or a practise set, same. He will most likely never even learn the scale. Many Thanks, Jim PS, I won't let the damn things anywhere near my Sinclair. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 04:39:16 GMT On 07 Nov 1999 01:27:40 GMT, jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) wrote: >PS, I won't let the damn things anywhere near my Sinclair. Are you refering to Pentecostles, or MS patients? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 07 Nov 1999 03:18:53 GMT >This has happened to me, with Henderson Harmonics. What happened was that as >I >lengthened the drone, at a certain point, the pitch ROSE about a semitone, >and >then tuned normally, When I shortened the drone, at a certain point, the >pitch >FELL, and then tuned normally. Something similar happened to me a while ago, but on Zetland pipes. For those of you who aren't familiar, the drone uses plain old Wygent reeds but never gets to a doubletone because of the low playing pressure. There was a point at which goofy things happened; I think it was with the drone top almost all the way down, with very little room left. I played with the screw and the bridle to get away from that position, and I haven't had the problem again. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 13:31:17 GMT I don't know why you would want a full set of pipes. Pakistani sets are available from $150, and you can actually get a playable set for $300. Check the commercial sites at http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb/index.html If he were really interested in learning, I would get a starter set, with a Paki pc (those are really quite playable) for around $50.00, and they contain a tutor and an audio tape. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:24:16 GMT >I don't know why you would want a full set of pipes. He will never learn even the PC due to his condition. He will be able to hold a set of pipes and make believe he is playing. Thanks CCC ps A pipe vendor has promised a set of used Paki's for this boy. I will post his name if I receive his permission. I will take them down to the boy's church and present them to him and play. If you knew me, that's a stretch for gratious, but this man donating the pipes shamed me a bit. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 07:56:56 -0500 On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 01:59:31 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > >Chris Hamilton wrote in message >> I'm really puzzled by the criticism of Mark's reeds ... they are very >> good and getting quite popular ... > >Popular, with who? Lots of folks at various levels. >I wouldn't call a few players "just' trying them out as popular. >Yea, their a new item on the market, but there not the "end all" >of drone reeds. By this time next year, they could be the best thing >to happen to drone reeds or they might be dropped like a hot potato, >happens all the time in the pipeband world. Well, sure ... remember the Ross craze, Shepherd craze, then the Wygent craze, then the Henderson harmonic craze, etc. But ... for now they're doing well. And next year someone may well have something better ... maybe the Wygent DuaTone? >And if that's what Strathclyde were using at the World's, then >they better think again. Their drone sound was absolutley horrific. >I know it wasn't a great day for pipes, but Field Marshall had >them all beat in the sound Department! Yes, that's true - I've never heard the FMM put out anything less than outstanding tone. No, Strathclyde was NOT using them at The Worlds. To the best of my knowledge, the only Lee reed played at the Worlds was my bass ... and they didn't put us on the CD :-( Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:05:52 GMT In article <3824E45C.A242FACE@nbnet.nb.ca>, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Another fence side picker! > Why don't you actually post something of substance > You are wasting bandwidth! > I don't really care if you don't like JOHN > take it private! > Lori I hope it's O.K. if I respond to your new post, because I would hate for you to feel badly about anything I say in reference to you. You, like all of us, are entitled to your own opinions. I'm on the side of the fence I want to be on. When I'm picking from my side of the fence I can reach right through that fence and pluck and discard as many sour/rotten grapes as I see fit. I can also nourish and support those grapes that may need it. And, I can put the best grapes in my basket for later. You pick your grapes and I'll pick mine. Don't pretend to tell me which is which. Waste of bandwidth? Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? As for taking it privately. I think John and I both understand that would be a waste of his time and mine. I do have to say that he is about the only one who hasn't E-mailed me privately, (positive or negative). And, I will publicly give him credit for that. He lends credence to the the term "street brawling". Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cushing PC Date: 07 Nov 1999 09:29:57 -0500 Lawrie Silverberg wrote in message news:Bi8kONnnyOLX+nuanYNBhmFQVEMq@4ax.com... > I received my Cushing PC last Tues. and thought that I'd post my > thoughts on it in case there are any other beginners out there > thinking about it and interested in another beginners opinion. . . . > In summary, for listening pleasure, the Cushing is terrible, but as > a learning tool it's wonderful and I'd highly recommend it for a > beginner. WHEW! I was fixing breakfast this morning while practicing on my chanter (Dunbar long with countersunk holes) and decided to pose this question to the NG. Lo and behold, I log on and here it is! . . . almost! I had a practice in the park yesterday with my teacher and a few things came out in conversation. This past week, I've been working VERY hard on my piobaireachd birls . . like . . an hour at a time on only birls. I had them down GOLDEN on the practice chanter. When I tried to move them to my pipe it was as though I had never played one before in my life. Frustrated, I worked on them again on my pipe with the drones corked. I worked about 20 minutes and was STILL doing poorly. I thought . . back to the PC. I picked it up and found that they still rolled off of the practice chanter beautifully! So what is the point of working for hours on the PC when it doesn't do a thing? With this in mind, I began pondering the events of the last few weeks. It became VERY clear to me that I actually play my pipe better than I play the PC. John mentioned this when I met up with him in the UK. Sandy Keith had words about it as well. And my teacher commented that I make almost NO crossing noises on my pipe but my practice chanter is FILLED with this stuff. I had recognized this a long time ago and began working much more on my pipe than on the PC. I just cork off the drones and go. My thought with this is that I get a lot more from my practice if I am learning to control my breathing AND learning the proper execution at the same time. The only time I ever go back to my practice chanter these days is if I am REALLY learning a new tune. It's much easier to work through it that way. But once I have it roughly together, I take it to Angus and finish working through it. My teacher even said to me yesterday (after finally realizing what I said is true!) to get a practice chanter reed and cap and put it on my pipe chanter for practicing. I was thinking about doing this today and then read this. I'm curious as to how many other people have this same problem. Having very small hands, I have always blamed this attribute to my problems but I'm not so sure anymore. The other part of this thought is that my MIND is powerful enough to be really lazy. . .and to know exactly how far it needs to move to get that perfect birl on the PC but then it won't transfer well. ??????? Puzzled this morning. -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida where it will be 80 today! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 07:22:40 GMT >The line to Mitch about you thinking this place is more fun than the actual >real >world Where did you get that from? I never said (or meant) that, and I'm baffled where you got that idea? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:24:32 -0800 Bagpiip wrote: > > >Someone from a church group ( Pentacostle ) ( sp ) called me tonight and said > >they want a set of pipes for a young man who has a muscular disease and won't > >live long. He is enamored with the pipes but will never be a player. > >Can anyone direct me to a set of Paki pipes cheap, or a practise set, same. > >He will most likely never even learn the scale. > > > >Many Thanks, > > > >Jim > > > > Jim contact Mike Lebouf from the NG. He mentioned wall hangers for something > like 20$ awhile back. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. Yes, Those Pipes.... Well I have a bunch of Mini pipe parts here I will never use, im sure I can throw togather a Mini set here, but pipes from pakistan a long time for shipping. They can turn a junk set out in a few days, but shipping takes for ever. The shipping is about $25 and if you want it through ups its about $85, and I think by Boat (8-10 weeks) its $9.50, and by Camel $5 plus tip. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:12:39 GMT >>PS, I won't let the damn things anywhere near my Sinclair. > >Are you refering to Pentecostles, or MS patients? > >Royce Ouch, got to - Ummn I meant Paki Pentecostles, my pipes don't need Bennie to save them. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 07 Nov 1999 08:06:31 -0500 JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <3824a51c$1_9@news.newsfeeds.com>... >Bill Davidson wrote: >> especially since he has a "relationship" with Jerry Gibson (rumor has it >that >> he gets a kick-back for recomending people, but I'm not sure how true this >is), > >I would like to set the record straight! > >At no time now or in future, have I ever received any monetary compensation >or material goods for my recommendations of Gibson Products. > >I am neither an Employee, Commissioned Agent or a >Company Representative of Gibson Products. > >I have no vested interests in any bagpipe products, materials >or services and I do not receive any income from the bagpipe >industry at all. I am not in this game to make money, I am simply >a user of said products for my own personal enjoyment. > >My introduction to Jerry Gibson was thru PM Jake Watson at about >the time when I first came down to the Metro Police Band 10 years ago. >Since then, I have visited his shop only twice and the last time I talked >with Jerry was about 3 years ago. I don't know Jerry well enough >that I can recite his history for you, but all I care about is he can >produce >an instrument that sounds great and tunes well. > >The reason I so highly recommend Gibson products is that I think >the guy has a good product and he deserves a fair shake. >I figure if his products can help someone as it has helped me, >then why not recommend his products. It's a win win situation >for both Jerry and his prospective customer. > >I understand that Jerry has made some headway into the >British market as a few of the top bands are playing some >Gibson drones. That's not an easy task > >Jerry also had a lot of help from Jake Watson with developing >the chanter that is in use today, But Jake is no longer involved >with Gibson Products as he has diverted his energies >to his reed business. > >Believe this, if you know me, I don't stick my neck out for anyone. >My recommendations are not based on a friendship with Jerry, but >more on a professional playing level. > >If the Product was Rubbish, I wouldn't bother! > >John Mitchell >An all round nice guy! >260 lbs. all round. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:55:40 GMT --------------5CF486A913EDA73E93DBB71A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I listen quietly in the background of this group and post privately its the only way to protect yourself from the sea of misguided souls on this list, I think carefully before I add my two cents worth about piping issues, and I'm personally getting tired of the schoolyard antics on here, as others obviously are....Ask Lindsay Kirkwood about the post I sent him regarding the same thing when he came on this group swinging! I thought, when a friend of mine directed me to this newsgroup, that it was about sharing knowledge, and that includes me learning about things along the way too...I'm very interested in the new products such as Dave's chanter, Mark's reeds, in fact I had a look at them in Montreal this year. So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when you so blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, and who's side I am on.....I'm on piping's side! not the experienced vs inexperienced side....I only stick my nose in when I am absolutely sure that the information before me is wrong......and I stuck my nose in on the subject of the "acceptable" "pitch" notice... I said acceptable..meaning in the current competition arena , and pitch.....not tone!....because I know the difference between the two And its like Bob Worrall's parting words on the other Bagpipe listserv were to that group........ Lori's done more for piping in her region of Canada than most of you will ever do", so don't try to grease me out Bill....I don't need your approval to feel good about it....the kids I have taught that have gone on to play with the likes of Peel, SFU etc are proof of my credentials......what are yours??????? We're back at the beginning again now aren't we? ;-))) Bagpiip wrote: > >"Talk about wasting band width", said the kettle to the pot. > > > >Pat > > You know Pat now that I review her posts, in spite of Lori's credentials she > shares little in the way of piping related info herself! TY for calling that to > my attention. > Bill (the fence siding expert) > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. --------------5CF486A913EDA73E93DBB71A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I listen quietly in the background of this group
and post privately
its the only way to protect yourself from the sea of misguided souls on this list, I think carefully before I add my two cents worth about piping issues, and I'm personally getting tired of the schoolyard antics on here, as others obviously are....Ask Lindsay Kirkwood about the post I sent him regarding the same thing when he came on this group swinging!
I thought, when a friend of mine directed me to this newsgroup, that it was about sharing knowledge, and that includes me learning about things along the way too...I'm very interested in the new products such as Dave's chanter, Mark's reeds, in fact I had a look at them in Montreal this year.
So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when you so blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, and who's side I am on.....I'm on piping's side! not the experienced vs inexperienced side....I only stick my nose in when I am absolutely sure that the information before me is wrong......and I stuck my nose in on the subject of  the "acceptable" "pitch" notice... I said acceptable..meaning in the current competition arena , and pitch.....not tone!....because I know the difference between the two And its like Bob Worrall's parting words on the other Bagpipe listserv were to that group........
Lori's done more for piping in her region of Canada than most of you will ever do", so don't try to grease me out Bill....I don't need your approval to feel good about it....the kids I have taught that have gone on to play with the likes of Peel, SFU etc are proof of my credentials......what are yours???????
We're back at the beginning again now aren't we? ;-)))
 
 

Bagpiip wrote:

>"Talk about wasting band width", said the kettle to the pot.
>
>Pat

You know Pat now that I review her posts, in spite of Lori's credentials she
shares little in the way of piping related info herself! TY for calling that to
my attention.
Bill (the fence siding expert)
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.

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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RS MacDonald Tunes Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:23:00 -0500 On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:04:46 GMT, McCallion wrote: > > >Im looking for several of RS MacDonald's tunes, which dont seem to be >published in books anywhere . Does anyone know where he publisehd his >tunes ? I believe Roddy is working on a book of tunes even as we speak ... he's on this group from time to time ... maybe he can give you update. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 12:07:40 -0500 On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:34:32 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > >Chris Hamilton wrote in > >>No, Strathclyde was NOT using them at The Worlds. >> To the best of my knowledge, the only Lee reed played at the Worlds >> was my bass ... and they didn't put us on the CD :-( > >Oh, but Strathclyde Police PB are on Madman's List of users, >and that's exactly what I mean when I say they are using >peoples names to promote their product. Yes, but the Worlds was in August ... and it's now November ... offseason is a time for making those crucial product decisions that may affect you for the coming season ... and as I understand it, they've been making some product decisions. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 07 Nov 1999 09:18:50 -0400 JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message <38245231_2@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>... >This is a long story and you are going to get .......etc......etc........ There seemed to be a cut off point >where the hemp line is located, the net effect being that when fine tuning a >millimetre's adjustment either way sent the drone nearly a whole note higher >or lower, a real puzzle. If anyone has any ideas as to what cased this I >would be most grateful. ...........etc... It has only happened once with one EZ tenor........as I tuned the drone up, as it almost came in, the tone would jump in freq........as I moved the drone back down, almost into tune, the freq would jump lower...............so I had to tune upward again.............felt like I was chasing my tail !.............. Removed the reed.......made sure it was dry.......carefully tried to check for dirt inside........tuning screw so tight I couldn't badge it(I have adjusted it previously)........adjusted the bridle....lengthened the tongue slightly...........played it for 10 minutes, moved the bridle back..............seems to have settled back............ What happened ?......or how did I fix it ?............ The Power of Prayer...........hasn't repeated itself....... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) USA Piobaireachd comprtition rules!!! Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:16:23 -0500 I'm sending this for John Broadwell as he seems to be having problems getting messages sent to the list. -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com >Subject: USA Piobaireachd competition rules!!! >I am helping a friend to formulate some competition rules for a local >piobaireachd competition and foolishly suggested that "we" should look at >the way it is organised in America, I think the system there is much more >*user* friendly and much more encouraging for beginners than the British >system. And (ulterior motive here) I want to compete at piobaireachd but >need a more gentle introduction than to stand up against the best in >Britain, that will come but not just now ;-) I have already had some very >useful info. from a dear friend on the NG but wondered if there is an URL >where entry rules and the competition format can be accessed for further >information or official contacts etc. > >Hope someone can help?? > >Slainte > >John B. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:34:57 -0500 JSLOANPR wrote in message news:19991107200525.02580.00002091@ng-cn1.aol.com... > Beware, > I saw a couple of Gurkas with those long curvy daggers talking to Dave in the > shadows after band practise Wednesday. > I think he was showing them a picture of Angus and a map to Ocala. They found > the bodies of those two Scotts who failed in the first attempt floating in the > lake behind the games. You or Dave? > How's the kilt coming? What kilt?!??! I started working on my camouflage right after Tallahassee! And I'll just let you keep guessing about the two Scots . . . . .did they have a wine smell on them?!??! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:39:37 GMT Predictable Pat....predictable oshpiper wrote: > In article <3824E3A8.427B6DFA@nbnet.nb.ca>, > John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > > Ok Bill, > > Please, > > Why don't you stick to what you can contribute about? Please? > > "Talk about wasting band width", said the kettle to the pot. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 07:35:31 GMT >Someone from a church group ( Pentacostle ) ( sp ) called me tonight and said >they want a set of pipes for a young man who has a muscular disease and won't >live long. He is enamored with the pipes but will never be a player. >Can anyone direct me to a set of Paki pipes cheap, or a practise set, same. >He will most likely never even learn the scale. > >Many Thanks, > >Jim > Jim contact Mike Lebouf from the NG. He mentioned wall hangers for something like 20$ awhile back. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 08 Nov 1999 02:13:06 GMT >One negative (very) note about the first Vermont Statewide >Veteran's Day Parade. The local (Grade 5) pipe band, St. Andrews Society >of Vermont, cancelled their appearance less than 24 hours before the >parade, citing the cold weather Ouch! >Given that such temperatures are common >in the first week of November, the band should have never committed in the >first place, rather than cancel last minute. Yup. Or at the worst, made a committment but base the go/no-go decision on the weather that day. And make sure the parade folks know it ahead of time. >Fortunately, four class-act >brass bands did not cancel, Brass bands don't have the same concerns about playing in cold weather. Everything's metal or plastic mostly. I've got a couple of outdoor gigs to do the next 2 weekends. I can only do them unconditionally because I have a set of plastic pipes. Until I got the beater pipes, any gig past late October was weather-dependent...if it's too cold, I won't be there. Sounds as if the pipe band won't be invited back next year. From what you describe, it shouldn't. Zu It only took about 4 gigs to pay for the plastic pipes, and they let me do gigs that other pipers and bands won't touch. Like a Xmas parade in December, some St Paddy's Days, and a marathon that keeps getting pushed back later and later every November. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cushing PC Date: 07 Nov 1999 13:18:07 -0800 Your reference to small hands is important. many small-handed people become 'addicted' to the spacing on their practice chanter, which becomes evident when they make the transition to their pipe chanter. It's important to get a practice chanter that's spaced EXACTLY like your pipe chanter. Unless they're both from the same maker, this is difficult to achieve. Since it's virtually impossible to exactly duplicate the pipe chanter holes (size-wise), it's sometimes a good idea to rough up the area around the holes on the practice chanter, or carve rings into the wood AROUND the holes; years ago this was what 'countersunk holes' meant - they were actually double-bored concentrically. Today, they're usually just countersunk, which is unfortunate. I heard of one guy who took a woodburning took to his long PC, and it worked after the third try. IS M3967 wrote in message news:19991107113801.01982.00001843@ng-cj1.aol.com... > > I'm curious as to how many other people have this same problem. Having > >very small hands, I have always blamed this attribute to my problems but I'm > >not so sure anymore. > > I have always had a problem switching from my standard practice chanter to my > pipe chanter. I do think alot of my problem is with my small hands. My hands > are very comfortable on the closer finger spaceing of the standard practice > chanter, but are neve ras comfortable on the wider spaceing of the pipe > chanter. > Yes, i know most people do it this way, and maybe its been done this way for > 200 years, but tht doesnt mean there isnt a better way. I have to believe that > the closer your PC to your pipe chanter , feel wise, the better your practice > is going to transfer over. It may also be that this wil be more of a benefit > for someone with small hands. > In McGillivray's Rythmic Fingerwork he makes the comment that "your best > exercise work will be done on the practice chanter, particularly a long > practice chanter on which the spacing between the holes is the same as on the > pipes". > I just dont see why this statement wouldnt hold true for most of us. > > take care, > Michael Baechler - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: BRATACH GORM LONDON RESULTS Date: 07 Nov 1999 11:10:08 -0800 way to go, Willie! Showacho wrote in message news:19991107034016.01654.00001927@ng-bh1.aol.com... > Bratach Gorm..... Willie MacCallum > MS&R................ Willie MacCallum > Gillies Cup Piobaireachd..... Gordon Walker > J B Robertson March.........Gordon Walker > Jig........Brian Donaldson > Srachan MS&R..... Michael Grey(Toronto) > > I will post full list of results later today. > > R S MacDonald - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:58:53 GMT >So I have two sets >playing cane, the third will be joining them very soon especially if I >cannot get these Eze's just so. If you give up on the EZs, I'll take them off your hands. I've been retonguing synthetic reeds for a while now and finally am having some good success with the process. EZs aren't my favorite raw material to work with (I prefer Wygents), but the end result it pretty much the same. If you send 'em to me, I'll retongue them on spec for you. Or I'll just buy the EZs off you, if you'd rather do that. Once I retongue them, they stop being EZs or Wygents and become Zudupiper reeds. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:43:31 -0500 Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991107204004.01656.00002014@ng-bh1.aol.com... > You could try starting small and working your way up. Start with some velcro > "donuts" around the chanter holes, and some mating velcro on your fingers. Bet > your D throws really crackle then. Birls, on the other hand....hmmmm. > > It seems not unlike something from a Seinfeld episode. Sounds like something that should be sold in the Zudupiper's Shop!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:12:44 -0500 On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:41:38 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >I have never met Dave or Mark and yea so their a couple >of guys that make lousy products, so what? John, I'm surprised at this statement!!!! Dave and Mark and making innovative products for the piping world ... and they're not lousy products. And even if they were lousy, they're in the process of refining them and trying to make something better. Nothing wrong with that. The chanter may need some tweaking, I don't know - you've spent more time with it than me. But remember the first Delrin chanters ... some good ones and some bad ones, but I'm sure glad someone went to the trouble to develop them. I'm really puzzled by the criticism of Mark's reeds ... they are very good and getting quite popular ... they were the first reeds that made me want to switch from cane or cane-tongued reeds, and it took me some time to even get around to futzing with them ... but once I devoted a week to it, I was hooked. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ringo's theory on reeds.... Date: 07 Nov 1999 15:01:27 -0800 Jim, Jim Price wrote: > I have been applying Ron Bowen's method of breaking in reeds, that being > breaking them in outside of the pipe. ... > When > the reeds that are in my chanters now tell me that they are done, I think > that the hardship of the transition from a broken in reed to a new reed will > be significantly reduced. Sounds interesting . . . please report back to the NG when you actually try the new reeds! Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 07 Nov 1999 08:11:58 -0500 I can vouch for the power, tone and general demeanor of John's pipes, having heard them at approximately 2-3 a.m on Saturday evening at Altamont this year. ;) JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <3824a51c$1_9@news.newsfeeds.com>... >Bill Davidson wrote: >> especially since he has a "relationship" with Jerry Gibson (rumor has it >that >> he gets a kick-back for recomending people, but I'm not sure how true this >is), > >I would like to set the record straight! > >At no time now or in future, have I ever received any monetary compensation >or material goods for my recommendations of Gibson Products. > >I am neither an Employee, Commissioned Agent or a >Company Representative of Gibson Products. > >I have no vested interests in any bagpipe products, materials >or services and I do not receive any income from the bagpipe >industry at all. I am not in this game to make money, I am simply >a user of said products for my own personal enjoyment. > >My introduction to Jerry Gibson was thru PM Jake Watson at about >the time when I first came down to the Metro Police Band 10 years ago. >Since then, I have visited his shop only twice and the last time I talked >with Jerry was about 3 years ago. I don't know Jerry well enough >that I can recite his history for you, but all I care about is he can >produce >an instrument that sounds great and tunes well. > >The reason I so highly recommend Gibson products is that I think >the guy has a good product and he deserves a fair shake. >I figure if his products can help someone as it has helped me, >then why not recommend his products. It's a win win situation >for both Jerry and his prospective customer. > >I understand that Jerry has made some headway into the >British market as a few of the top bands are playing some >Gibson drones. That's not an easy task > >Jerry also had a lot of help from Jake Watson with developing >the chanter that is in use today, But Jake is no longer involved >with Gibson Products as he has diverted his energies >to his reed business. > >Believe this, if you know me, I don't stick my neck out for anyone. >My recommendations are not based on a friendship with Jerry, but >more on a professional playing level. > >If the Product was Rubbish, I wouldn't bother! > >John Mitchell >An all round nice guy! >260 lbs. all round. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Life Date: 07 Nov 1999 10:19:58 -0500 Iain Sherwood wrote in article ... > TO CONTINUE: > and, also possibly, your reed may just be shot. Time for a new reed. Turns out the reed was shot. Played my back-up reed in the parade, and all went perfectly. P.S. I do have a chanter cap, and I do take all the necessary precautions. Just too bad my favorite reed of the fall took a hike three days before the parade. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:46:11 GMT >. in sunny Florida . . where it's 78 today, Bill! :) >GRRRRRR! ;?)~ She smiled when she said that Bill. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 22:57:05 GMT In article <382524b7_5@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > Popular, with who? > > I wouldn't call a few players "just' trying them out as popular. Quite a fuss coming from a disinterested party. Let's just say, as far as you're concerned, the reeds and chanter are unsuitable for your taste, pipes, peer pressure, etc... Let the ones claiming unsuitability speak up for themselves if it means that much to them. You're the only one screaming, and you own neither. You've not bothered to properly reed-up a set of Krons, nor have you heard a set of my reeds properly fitted to drones. Keep screaming though, it's interesting reading. My client list is quite private. I value their privacy as much as they. If someone else finds out from them they're using reeds or have an order pending, that's their own affair. Not likely they'll speak up and defend the products. They're quite happy with them. When are you going to buy some reeds from Iain Macey? Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cushing PC Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:22:02 -0500 Iain Sherwood wrote in message news:s2br1l7r3e659@corp.supernews.com... > Your reference to small hands is important. many small-handed people become > 'addicted' to the spacing on their practice chanter, which becomes evident > when they make the transition to their pipe chanter. It's important to get a > practice chanter that's spaced EXACTLY like your pipe chanter. Unless > they're both from the same maker, this is difficult to achieve. Well, Iain. . .I tried this. I had a Dunbar practice chanter and a Dunbar pipe chanter. No good. I got this new Shepherd and have had good results with it as the bottom hand is SLIGHTLY closer than the Dunbar. My favorite is still my ancient Lawrie. It's just too much work right now. Let me tell you just HOW small my little finger is!!!! I can fit it INTO the Low G hole past my fingernail and almost to the first knuckle! Don't ask how I know this!!!! My teacher and I compared fingers one day and hers are half again bigger than mine. She suggested that I gain weight but I told her that when I do, it doesn't go to my baby finger and then I have the problem of my kilt not fitting! So I struggle! The biggest problem that I have is that I have to be dead-on precise with my little finger or the hole is not covered. . . . so it's a LOT of practice on the pipe chanter as I don't have this problem with the practice chanter and it's wee holes! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida. . with all of the windows open in the house tonight! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:44:08 GMT >So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when >you so >blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, Excuse me, but contributing via private emails does nothing for the group, only the person you sent it too. But I certainly understand your reasons for doing so because about 90% of my "info sharing" is done in private too, so I guess you could be sharing, but like my constant claims of helping others, it's hard to know that by reading the NG. >I thought, when a friend of mine directed me to this newsgroup, that it was >about >sharing knowledge, and that includes me learning about things along the way >too. But it's very hard for you to learn something here because of your wealth of experience and knowledge, thereby making this group far more useful to beginers like myself because I can benefit from almost ALL the posts here. Please remember a few internet junkies who've made comments to the effect of "if you think this NG is bad, try others because this is one of the finer ones as far as flaming goes". >We're back at the beginning again now aren't we? ;-))) > Yes I guess so LOL! Can we become friends all over again? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for Scottish clip art Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:57:18 -0800 Here's a couple to try: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/1562/pictures.htm http://www.iserv.net/~scottish/pipeart.htm I haven't looked at them for a year, hopefully the bookmarks are still valid. Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 14:13:52 GMT In article <3824E3A8.427B6DFA@nbnet.nb.ca>, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Ok Bill, > Please, > Why don't you stick to what you can contribute about? Please? "Talk about wasting band width", said the kettle to the pot. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 03:24:37 GMT Nahhhhhh I'm not going to flame you...... I just wanted Bill to stop picking sides and just arguing for the sake of arguing! Cheers, Lori Zudupiper wrote: > >So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when > >you so > >blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, > > Oh, but you *DO* contribute. > > You contribute a lot of preachy, whiny, self-serving posts. > > >I think carefully before I add my two cents worth > > The price is right, in any case. > > I don't know what you've done for piping in Canada, but what you've done for > this NG is nil. And in this NG, that's what counts. > > Flame away. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Fed Morrison CD Date: 07 Nov 1999 10:28:34 -0500 Tgreul wrote in article <19991106122511.06756.00002871@ng-fr1.aol.com>... > "The Sound of the Sun" on the Lochshore label. He plays border pipes on 7 of > the 12 tracks, low whistle on 3 and whistle an uillean pipes on 2 tracks. Fred's borderpipes were the first set ever made by Hamish, and were Hamish's personal set. Great sound - due in great part to the boxwood. > Some great tunes (many traditional, a few his own) played in >a style you likely haven't heard before. Unless, of course, you've ever been to Cape Breton, or heard the "gaelic" piping of Scotland, or been to one of the many ceili dances in Edinburgh featuring the old style of playing reels. >Quickly becoming one of my favorite piping CDs. Great > stuff, variety, well played and recorded - highly recommended. > Tom A note for you competition types - Fred's playing on this recording is very different from "The Broken Chanter", and is far more representative of his approach to Scottish piping. BUY IT! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bo Møller-Nielsen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: website Date: 07 Nov 1999 19:48:00 +0100 Hej Myriam, go to this URL http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb/ and choose pipe makers and then you can find Shepherds homepage, along with other good homepages. Cheers Bo Moeller-Nielsen Luc Claus skrev i meddelelsen ... >Red Hackle Pipe Band (Belgium) is growing, they even have a website ( url >http://users.pandora.be/red.hackle.pipe.band ). >Now we are looking for the website from Shepherd in Scotland. Please help... >E-mail : myriam.vandenbossche@pandora.be > >Thank you, >Myriam. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 02:23:24 GMT >So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when >you so >blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, Oh, but you *DO* contribute. You contribute a lot of preachy, whiny, self-serving posts. >I think carefully before I add my two cents worth The price is right, in any case. I don't know what you've done for piping in Canada, but what you've done for this NG is nil. And in this NG, that's what counts. Flame away. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezedrone shock, horror!!!!! Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:46:16 GMT In article <38257d2e_2@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>, "JOHN BROADWELL" wrote: >I am thinking of going back to all cane as I can adjust them > to "exactly " to how I like them, but more than that I know that the sound > of the cane is so far ahead of any synthetics I have tried or heard, they > all seem to suffer from a kind of dead mechanical sound. So I have two sets > playing cane, the third will be joining them very soon especially if I > cannot get these Eze's just 1) Mill off .002" from the tongue bed, from the stop, all the way out to the tuning screw end. 2) Get a postcard-sized scrap of G-10 sheet in a standard thickness of .032". The guy will likely just give it to you. 3) Cut the G-10 so the major fiber bundles are running the same direction as the long axis of the tongue and about 3/8" wide. 4) Bass reed: Mill one strip to .017" thickness. Trim the length to extend about .015" past the orifice. Sand the width to the same width as the bed. Tie an anchoring bridle and a control bridle - snug fitting O-rings may be substituted. Heat set at 350 F using a heat-gun and direct the jet of hot air just at the control bridle for 20 secs. The idea is to heat the tongue between the stop and the control bridle only. While the tongue is hot, quickly slip a razor blade underneath the tongue to the control bridle and pry upwards (30 deg. angle is fine) until the tongue has cooled and is now "set." Control the strength with the bridle, and the pitch with the tuning screw. Set the tongue flatter than required so you can move the control bridle forward - and you *will* need to move it forward to decrease the air-gap between the tongue and the orifice. The tongue must not have any bend/s other than the *one* you put in it. To correct the set in the tongue, move the bridle to the free end and re-heat the tongue until the bend is flat once more. Keep re-setting the tongue until you get it right. 5) Tenors: Same as bass only mill them to .015". The Wygent bass has a larger ID than the EZ and will produce a bit softer tone. You might prefer Wygent tenors with an EZ bass. Of course, you'll necessarily need to clear all modifications with John depending upon any number of pre-requisites which he alone decides. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Parade / Wygents Date: 07 Nov 1999 10:50:52 -0500 Hey Folks - the parade went incredibly well! 55 degrees w/sun. Once I started marching, fingers warmed up and all ornaments were present and accounted for. The parade route was 1 mile in length, and I played the entire route without touching the drones - my Wygents were incredibly solid. Used my monster back-up Slagle reed, the sound of which boomed back at me off the buildings. Very cool. Could this be the beginning of serious thoughts about joining a (gasp!) band? Say it ain't so, John Mitchell! One negative (very) note about the first Vermont Statewide Veteran's Day Parade. The local (Grade 5) pipe band, St. Andrews Society of Vermont, cancelled their appearance less than 24 hours before the parade, citing the cold weather. In fairness, weather forecast called for 45 degrees or so, but last year, the band played in those conditions and sounded fine. The cancellation left a large hole in the parade, and a (very) sour taste in the mouths of the parade organizers. To add insult to injury, the PM left a curt, rude and non-contrite message with the parade director informing of the cancellation. The parade committee had even offered in-door accomodations until minutes before the start of the 25-minute parade, and warm accomodations immediately after the parade route finish - but no go. Total exposure of the pipes to the cold would have been the parade route itself. Given that such temperatures are common in the first week of November, the band should have never committed in the first place, rather than cancel last minute. Fortunately, four class-act brass bands did not cancel, and the day was a success. Too bad that St. Andrews made a Grade 10 decision - a decision that did not go unnoticed by the Governor, the other bands, and Vermont's entire Congressional delegation. Oh yes - after a 45 minute rest during speeches, the Wygents struck in beautifully, except for a brief bass-drone protest, for Amazing Grace during the flag raising. I'm sold. Cheers, Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) New Pix Date: 07 Nov 1999 16:29:53 -0500 Some new photos have been added to the Pipe Band Photo Gallery ... http://toneczar.freeservers.com/gallery.html Also a pic of my devilishly handsome self in Oklahoma at http://toneczar.freeservers.com ... Brought to you free by ... me ! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:20:37 GMT >"Talk about wasting band width", said the kettle to the pot. > >Pat You know Pat now that I review her posts, in spite of Lori's credentials she shares little in the way of piping related info herself! TY for calling that to my attention. Bill (the fence siding expert) Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:01:42 GMT In article <3825CD21.44F828A6@nbnet.nb.ca>, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > I listen quietly in the background of this group > and post privately > its the only way to protect yourself from the sea of misguided souls on this list, And, when you post privately you share nothing with those individuals whom you chose to be "not worthy". Welcome to the real world. > So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when you so > blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, and who's side I am > on..... Don't like some of your own medicine, eh? I'm on piping's side! not the experienced vs inexperienced side....I only > stick my nose in when I am absolutely sure that the information before me is > wrong...... All that tells me is that you like playing it safe. And, that's O.K. Just don't cry for help when going gets rough. and I stuck my nose in on the subject of the "acceptable" "pitch" > notice... I said acceptable..meaning in the current competition arena , and > pitch.....not tone!....because I know the difference between the two I don't doubt your abilities in that area. > Lori's done more for piping in her region of Canada than most of you will ever do", I say, "I'm happy for Lori", and in the same breath I also say "So what". That doesn't give anyone unquestionable authority over any individual, this group or any other. If it's pats-on-the-back and praise you are looking for, then I'd say you may have come to the wrong place. Be safe, don't take chances and see where that really leads you. > so don't try to grease me out Bill....I don't need your approval to feel good about > it....the kids I have taught that have gone on to play with the likes of Peel, SFU > etc are proof of my credentials......what are yours??????? Pretty sad if you live only for the piping credentials. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:05:25 GMT >The second is to keep Dave and his assassin >team from getting Angus from me this weekend at time when I am not paying >complete attention. Beware, I saw a couple of Gurkas with those long curvy daggers talking to Dave in the shadows after band practise Wednesday. I think he was showing them a picture of Angus and a map to Ocala. They found the bodies of those two Scotts who failed in the first attempt floating in the lake behind the games. You or Dave? How's the kilt coming? Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Pix Date: 07 Nov 1999 23:55:49 -0500 On 08 Nov 1999 03:23:27 GMT, annie97@aol.com (Annie97) wrote: >Chris! > >Loved your Route 66 photos - I have a stack of them myself, having driven the >whole road two years back. What a trip. . . what a trip!!! > >Annie :-) Ooh, one of my dreams is to do that some day!!!! Piping in the Mojave sucked though (I stayed in Barstow and worked at Fort Irwin for a month). Pipes got really hard and really sharp ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 07 Nov 1999 00:26:46 -0500 On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:53:21 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >The reason I so highly recommend Gibson products is that I think >the guy has a good product and he deserves a fair shake. I couldn't agree with you more, John. Jerry is a great guy, he makes a great-sounding pipe, and I'm always happy to recommend his product (along with some others, of course) Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Velcro! Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:46:51 -0500 Tell me . . has anyone tried Velcro on their bag cover and shirt??? I'm considering this for two reasons. The first is, obviously, to keep the bag from slipping while playing. The second is to keep Dave and his assassin team from getting Angus from me this weekend at time when I am not paying complete attention. Anyone tried it? -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida . . where it was 80 again today, Bill. http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 08 Nov 1999 01:40:04 GMT >Tell me . . has anyone tried Velcro on their bag cover and shirt??? No, but a lot of folks use Dycem, which is a non-stick fabric covering. Somehow the concept of Velcro-ing yourself into playing position, then hearing the crackle of velcro snapping and unsnapping with every breath......then there's the inevitable problem with stopping....not to mention shrinkage and pilling hazards if you don't follow the label directions when washing your shirt.. You could try starting small and working your way up. Start with some velcro "donuts" around the chanter holes, and some mating velcro on your fingers. Bet your D throws really crackle then. Birls, on the other hand....hmmmm. It seems not unlike something from a Seinfeld episode. If you try it, make sure to videotape the results. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No Good Deed Will Go Unpunished Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:24:22 GMT > A pipe vendor has promised a set of used Paki's for this boy. I will post >his >name if I receive his permission. I will take them down to the boy's church >and >present them to him and play. If you knew me, that's a stretch for gratious, >but this man donating the pipes shamed me a bit. What a wonderful story Jim. It's good to see people pull together for something like that. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 03:22:54 GMT We're not still friends?????? :-))) Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >So to end this email......you have no idea what you are talking about when > >you so > >blatantly accuse me of not contributing to this group, > > Excuse me, but contributing via private emails does nothing for the group, only > the person you sent it too. But I certainly understand your reasons for doing > so because about 90% of my "info sharing" is done in private too, so I guess > you could be sharing, but like my constant claims of helping others, it's hard > to know that by reading the NG. > > >I thought, when a friend of mine directed me to this newsgroup, that it was > >about > >sharing knowledge, and that includes me learning about things along the way > >too. > > But it's very hard for you to learn something here because of your wealth of > experience and knowledge, thereby making this group far more useful to beginers > like myself because I can benefit from almost ALL the posts here. > Please remember a few internet junkies who've made comments to the effect of > "if you think this NG is bad, try others because this is one of the finer ones > as far as flaming goes". > > >We're back at the beginning again now aren't we? ;-))) > > > > Yes I guess so LOL! Can we become friends all over again? > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) pinfinal.jpg Date: 03 Nov 1999 21:06:28 -0500 I DID IT! I got my scanner working, downloaded a new FTP program and I have the pin up on my website!!! Check it out as it is going out of here tomorrow!!! Send orders to Zu!! :) :) :) http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/pinfinal.jpg Hope ya'll like it (that's Southernese!)!!!!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 08:13:33 GMT In article <382524b7_5@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > Oh, absolutely not, but by the way they carry on, they tend to > lead people to believe that the products are ready and their > using players names to back them up. I've not used/dropped anyone's name. > That doesn't sit with me very well, as this is misleading and is taking > advantage of players names to make themselves a buck. Of course, it's OK when Jerry does it. Remember > that Kron is a full time business and they depend on sales to make > thier living. Yes, and Jerry's doing it as a charity. > Oh yes, I remember them all too well, but they had to be eventually proven > in the field, something that Kron and Mark Lee have failed to do yet. I could tell you exactly where and when my reeds were used (with outstanding success) "in the field," but it's really nobody's business, yours least of all. > Popular, with who? With the people playing them. Why should you care who's using them? We're just atonal rummies anyway, remember? > And if that's what Strathclyde were using at the World's, then > they better think again. Their drone sound was absolutley horrific. Let's see now....the fellow from a G-2 band runs his mouth about the folks in the G-1 band. Wear that cool shirt when you're next overseas. You know the one, it's got a small black spot surrounded by a white circle, which is surrounded by a black circle. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 08 Nov 1999 08:37:32 GMT In article <3826156d_4@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > John Mitchell > > Master Pipe Player and soon to be Maker, > once I watch my half hour video on pipe making. Afterward, you and Jerry can compare notes. Master Piper, master maker....leaving out the part about the bait shop? Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:02:16 GMT >Please....if you're a cat killer, don't play for the public Posts like this will stop no-one. We got pipers around here that do that and are worse than you discribe. They have to know better because they play drums in the a band. The pipe major has been asked to stop them from playing in public by some of the Scottish community. He ain't the piping police and can't control what they do on their own time. There is no shame for some and no solution other than ???? Everyone has to learn, but not in public for pay. And these guys are not taking lessions anyway. Jim. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water trap recommendations ? Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:52:08 GMT >I figure I need a water trap to play anytime in the cooler weather. >Could I please have the best recommendations for water traps or should I just >try to make my own from some vinyl tubing . >Thanks for your help >Steve Steve, Go to Bill Carrs website, he has (had?) some pics of one made from corrugated or ribbed tubing. AOL won't let me insert links or I'd send it to you here. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water trap recommendations ? Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:53:54 GMT >you should try and save the time and effort, and buy a ross bag my friend Yeah right! go spend 80 plus dollars before trying the 3$ option. Try the trap first. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:03:58 GMT >We're not still friends?????? :-))) >Lori Sure we are! But honestly I don't pick sides for the sake of "picking sides". If I do reply to a post it's because I feel strongly for the cause, and let's face it, this NG has basically two types of people, the elite and the begginers, and I don't expect it's hard to tell whose who, or how they'll feel about most subjects. I often weigh in on JM's posts because they're mostly just opinions on day to day issues that are only loosely related to piping, and when I see a strong opinion I disagree with, I react equally strongly. But it doesn't mean I dislike John just because I don't agree with him. I really think JM is giving a couple of people a hard time here just to give them a hard time, so I react predictably. You don't need to be a mechanic to decide if you want a rusty volkswagon or a shiny new vette, so on some things my opinion DOES count more than a person whose never heard or evaluated a certain product. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) The London Competition - Results Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:04:24 -0000 These are the full results of the London Competition. (Results in order played & by hall) MAIN HALL (results in order ========= Judges - Donald MacPherson; Andrew Wright; Neil Mulvie Event 7 - 'The J.B. Robertson Trophy' (a J.B.Robertson march composition, played through once) 1. Gordon Walker 2. Andrew Mathieson 3. James Murray (12 entrants) Event 1 - 'The Brattach Gorm' (Piobaireachd) 1. Willie McCallum - 'The Lament for Donald Ban MacCrimmon' 2. Robert Wallace -'Lament for Donald Duaghal MacKay' 3. Colin MacLellan -' Lament for the Harp Tree'. 4. John Angus Smith -'Lady MacDonald's Lament'. 5. Brian Donaldson - 'My King has landed in Moidart'. (14 entrants) Event 4 - 'The London Medallion' (MSR played through once) 1. Willie McCallum 2. Andrew Mathieson 3. Gordon Walker 3. Brian Donaldson (15 entrants) Event 8 - 'The Jig for the Beaton Cup' (Jig) 1. Brian Donaldson 2. Gordon Walker 3. Roderick MacLeod 4. Willie McCallum (41 entrants) All the above events were played in the Main Hall ============================================================================ === Event 2 - 'The Gillies Cup' Judges - Malcolm McRae; Jimmy Young; Allan Beaton. (Piobaireachd) 1. Gordon Walker 2. Willie McCallum 3. Brian Donaldson 4. Jenny Hazzard 5. Robert Wallace (33 entrants) Played in the Masters Room ============================================================================ === The following events were all played in the Upper Hall Judges - James Burnet; Roger Huth Event 3 -'The Highland Club of London Challenge Cup' (Piobaireachd) 1. Robert Watt - 'The Blue Ribbon' 2. Craig Skedd - 'The Battle of Auldearn' 3. Alexis Meunier -'Lament for Donald of Laggan' (24 entrants) Event 5 - 'The James T. Strachan Memorial Prize' (MSR) 1. Michael Grey 2. Jenny Hazzard 3. Craig Skedd 4. Bruce Erskine (41 entrants) Event 6 - 'The Highland Society of London Challenge Targe' (MSR) 1. Daniel Moign 2. Andrew Douglas 3. Stephen Cussen (14 entrants) Event 9 - 'The Under 18's Trophy for The Highland & Islands Quaich' (Slow Air & Jig) 1. Andrew Douglas 2. Alexis Meunier 3. Bruce Erskine (12 entrants) N.B. The number of entrants shown are those who originally entered these competitions. Peter Anderson Chief Steward - Scottish Piping Society of London -- Peter Anderson - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:06:35 GMT >and a marathon that keeps getting pushed back later and later >every November. Zu, Wheres this? I could win if I had the pipes at a marathon cheering me on! (Last one I ran was in "83" so I'm a bit rusty) Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metronone Date: 08 Nov 1999 07:07:36 -0500 The metronome, even a cheap one, will do wonders for your playing. Our P/M insists that we practice at home with one. Korg makes a particularly good one. As I recall, Bill Livingstone sets a credit card-sized one and drops it into his sporran just before striking up. Ah, Ludwig Van Beethoven would be proud to see such uses for a metronome... Maelzel invented it for him! Bill Burt John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in message <38218B11.F856F000@nbnet.nb.ca>... >Hi Don, >Yep a metronome is something I recommend to all my students >We work on tunes using beats per minute alot >It helps develop a good sense of timing when you are away from band etc. >Get an electronic one to practice with >no need for earphones, the electronic ones can be heard over one chanter playing, >and they also can be silenced as well. >They are around $25.00 cdn and are available from any reputable music store I >would think >Cheers, >Lori > >Dontonton wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> I am a new member of the group. I've picked up the pipes after a few years >> hiatus. I live in Miami Beach (any pipers down here?) and am delighted to >> discover this newsgroup. >> >> A bagpiping friend of mine suggested that a metronone (with an earphone) is a >> good way to keep even tempo while practising. I am (at best) an occassional >> piper so this sounded intriguing. What do people think? Are there any >> metronone's that you may recommend? >> >> -Don > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:09:06 GMT >>GRRRRRR! ;?)~ >She smiled when she said that Bill. > So did I... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:22:28 GMT >Minstrel Boy, played as a slow march, is a common, beautiful and >appropriate standard tune at Irish funerals. > >Cheers. Matt Well now we all know WHO that piper was ... ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 08 Nov 1999 08:51:25 -0500 pipecraze@my-deja.com wrote in article <805atn$2gb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > I would like to speak a bit about an experience I had the other day. > I recently attended a funeral where a piper was hired to play outside > the church. while in the church i heard the piper strike up and > proceed to play minstrel boy at a slow march pace. > and... > You should have suitable tunes for the occasion > Sean Buchta Minstrel Boy, played as a slow march, is a common, beautiful and appropriate standard tune at Irish funerals. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:15:17 GMT In article <38261010.0@news3.paonline.com>, "Maeve" wrote: > Tell me . . has anyone tried Velcro on their bag cover and shirt??? I'm > considering this for two reasons...The second is to keep Dave and his assassin > team from getting Angus from me this weekend at time when I am not paying > complete attention. You will probably need to stitch/graft Angus to your person somehow, possibly with sinew. I'd also add some sort of electronic theft detection device in there, too. Seriously, though, I think Velcro would be too "sticky/permanant" when playing. I would just want the bag "sticky" enough to stay in place and not have to worry about it sliping into an uncomfortable position. What kind of cloth cover does Angus sport? You might try another type of cloth with some texture to it. If you are playing a hide bag, you could discard the cover and try that. What kind of bag does Angus have? Oh, I not sure I like how I worded that one. :/ Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:30:42 GMT In article <80624d$imk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, markalee@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <3826156d_4@news.newsfeeds.com>, > "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > > > John Mitchell > > > > Master Pipe Player and soon to be Maker, > > once I watch my half hour video on pipe making. > > Afterward, you and Jerry can compare notes. Master Piper, master > maker....leaving out the part about the bait shop? > > Mark And I thought John was just another "chicken plucker". You have so many hidden talents, John. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water trap recommendations ? Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:37:06 GMT In article <19991108065208.16694.00000773@ng-ct1.aol.com>, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: > Steve, > Go to Bill Carrs website, he has (had?) some pics of one made from corrugated > or ribbed tubing. AOL won't let me insert links or I'd send it to you here. > Bill Great site Bill Carr has, too. I built one for 65 cents. Well, maybe 75 cents. I forgot about the cork. Here's the URL: http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/billpg.html Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The London Competition - Results Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:53:00 -0000 -- Peter Anderson Inning wrote in message news:19991108091554.02624.00001999@ng-ck1.aol.com... > Way to go, Andrew Douglas! > > Andrew is a 15-year-old from Syracuse, New York. He won the trip to London at > last year's Nicol-Brown contest. > > Thanks, Peter, for the complete results. > > Paula Glendinning > Ashton, Maryland That is brilliant, just in case Robert Wallace has not seen this I have forwarded this to him which I hope he publishes in the Piping Times - perhaps someone will send them a photo. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:13:07 -0500 good on ya, Matt- which model Wygents are you using- the originals, or one of the new, patented models? Matt Buckley wrote: > Hey Folks - the parade went incredibly well! 55 degrees w/sun. Once I > started marching, fingers warmed up and all ornaments were present and > accounted for. The parade route was 1 mile > in length, and I played the entire route without touching the > drones - my Wygents were incredibly solid. Used my monster back-up Slagle > reed, the sound of which boomed back at me > off the buildings. > snip - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:29:56 -0500 oshpiper wrote in message news:806lti$vn2$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > What kind of cloth cover does Angus sport? You might try another type > of cloth with some texture to it. If you are playing a hide bag, you > could discard the cover and try that. What kind of bag does Angus have? > Oh, I not sure I like how I worded that one. :/ LOL!!!!!!! I'll leave that one alone! Angus has a cotton velvet bag cover that I made for him with a tatted lace dragon on the outside. This really helps on THAT side but . . . for the competition, I got this really nice "silky" blouse and am making (in-between my log-ins) a vest from rayon twill suiting material. Knowing what I know about fiber (my second life), this is a deadly combination. Hanging on to Angus with these fibers will be much like holding a greased pig! I'm not sure the suiting will be as bad and maybe the blouse will grip the dragon. I'll have to get it all finished and try it before the weekend, eh? BTW . . . Angus has a hide bag :) :) :) I'm, at the moment, still going for the small piece of velcro. I have 5 days to experiment. . . . here I go!!!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:39:23 -0500 I was going to send this post privately to John but thought I would put it here just so everyone knows how much help John was to me. John, you were sent to me by the Angels of Mercy!!! IT WORKED!!!!! John gave me a tip for my birls that has worked brilliantly well for me!!!! I was telling Sandy Keith last week that I could hit one out of a hundred birls correctly . . .he laughed and said I would have to do a little better than that. This morning, I used John's help and . . . . I played . . and . . . I hit three out of four!!!!! Now if I could just convince my confidence that the birls will be there when I need them and quit hesitating on them, I'll do fine!!!!!! I have 5 days to build confidence now that I can do it! Thank you, John! IT WORKED! IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:55:08 GMT In article <38264459.BF022EDE@nbnet.nb.ca>, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Nahhhhhh I'm not going to flame you...... > I just wanted Bill to stop picking sides and just arguing for the sake of > arguing! > Cheers, Lori If I was as friendly with John as you "seem" to be. I'd put my efforts into helping him. I think he needs a friend about now. Don't forget to "flock together". You know, like birds. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 08 Nov 1999 10:19:32 -0500 There are professionals , and then there are mercenaries. I've met Matt. He's not your suspect. Bagpiip wrote: > >Minstrel Boy, played as a slow march, is a common, beautiful and > >appropriate standard tune at Irish funerals. > > > >Cheers. Matt > > Well now we all know WHO that piper was ... ;?)~ > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fernetta Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:22:48 GMT In article <8045ni$9fp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Nice try at a hand off Kief. > > > > Fernetta > > > > ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: > > He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ > > Hi Fernetta > > There may be some sort of language barrier here > as I have no idea what 'at a hand off Kief' represents. > Is it the same as a 5 knuckle shuckle, Sherman Tank, Having > a date with palm and the 5 sisters. Please enlighten. > Also 'He spends more time on RMMB than on you. What is > RMMB > > YOURS naievly Sam S. > > ( if you don't ask you'll never learn.) > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I won't even try to reply to such purile sophomoric idiocy. Oh, I just did. Oh well, Never mind. -- Fernetta ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 15:15:59 GMT >> In most of the threads I'm >> involved in I see the same lines drawn, newbies or beginners vs Grade2 or >> higher pipers. > >Um, might there be something to be learned from this? > >Wayne Garthwait There sure is Wayne, I just haven't decided what yet... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:51:51 -0500 Annie97 wrote in message news:19991108105006.02714.00002009@ng-ce1.aol.com... > >I used John's help and . . . . I played . . and . . . I hit three > >out of four!!!!! > > So Maeve, is it a secret or can you share his birl advice? > > Annie :-) LOL!!! Either AFTER this weekend or if Dave promises not to read this thread ;) :) :) :) :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . with her OWN assassination team in the making! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A Game Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:49:57 GMT In article <5%mU3.698$Zu4.16201@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com>, "Crimmy Crum" wrote: > i think i beat you all to it!! Thanks to all who took part in the game. Prizes have been mailed, you should get them soon. I got several e-mails from people saying that they enjoyed "the quest". I may try to do something similar in the near future. (I wonder how many of our competitors will try copying us on this one. Just remember Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply was first). Of course, I'll have to stock up on CDs first. I wonder if anyone heard the interview of Henry Murdo the BBC recently conducted in Henry's shop. Angus Robinson (an engineer who had been a Scottish National Junior Champion) happened to be in the shop at the time. The interview didn't go into great depth concerning bagpipe making, but what I found interesting was that of all the bagpipe makers in Scotland, the BBC chose Henry Murdo to interview. Maybe I can somehow work the interview into the game.... I'll have to think a little about this one. Again thanks. All the best, Jim > aberdeen wrote in message > news:7vso7s$8vb$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Just for fun... Free prizes... > > > > There is a photo on the Piper & Drummer web site which has its home on > > our Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply web site. > > For the first 5 people who properly answer the following questions, > > I'll send you a free CD either "Off Kilter" the Grammy-nominated > > offering by The Rogues or "Hamilton Pipe Band" CD from the Houston band > > we proudly help sponsor, which won 3rd place in Grade II this year at > > the World's. > > For the next 25 people who properly answer the questions, I'll send a > > smaller prize - a bag tag which helps identify your pipe case ("Keep > > your band-mates' paws off of YOUR pipes with a bag tag"). > > Questions: > > 1. What photo is on both sites? > > 2. What page is it on at P & D (page name)? > > 3. What page is it on at Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply (page name)? > > 4. Whose hands are shown? (giving away a lot here) > > 5. What design is being done? > > 6. What is the price for having that design done? > > > > Okay, have fun. Only restrictions (here comes the small print): No > > owner, employee of Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply, Inc.; Piper & Drummer > > Magazine; Bagpipe Silver, Inc.; or Dunfion Bagpipes are eligible. I'll > > also restrict it to include people other than competitors of those > > companies (they ought to know the competition anyway so it wouldn't be > > fair to the rest). > > > > E-mail entries only. > > > > All the best, > > Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Ezeedrones for older pipes Date: 08 Nov 1999 17:20:28 GMT I recently received a couple of Ezeedrone bass reeds which were designed for use in older pipes. Frequently the bass drones on these older pipes makes tuning with modern reeds a problem. Ezeedrone's solution is to make the bass drone reed about 9/16" longer than their standard Ezeedrone bass reed. I haven't had the opportunity to try these out yet, but based on experiences I've had with older bass drones and synthetic reeds, it should work well. Anyone had any experiences with them? All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:51:34 -0400 oshpiper wrote: > > A typical legal beagle response. Defend the crooks and admit no guilt. > How appropriate. The only thing John is getting the "better of" is one > of Lindsay's chickens in the garage. > > Pat > HEY PAT - there you go again! I thought we'd cleared that one up.... the chickens are in my garage. MY CHICKENS - MY GARAGE. Get your facts straight! (as a Grade IV player I've been waiting a long time to use that line) Doug C. -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. -- Mignon McLaughlin - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: birls Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:03:44 -0800 if you can get three low g's in your birl you're doing better than 98% of the players in the world - a long as they're fast and even. REmas16531 wrote in message news:19991108112150.01766.00002111@ng-bj1.aol.com... > I have been playing for the past five years and have finally accepted the fact > that I have developed some bad habits. Jim McGillivray's book is helping me > with most of the problems, however I can't find help with my birls. The tap > drag style works for me, I have small hands and the other styles are a bit > awkward. This is the problem: > I have developed a double tap and drag when I do a birl. When I was taught to > birl I understood it to be a two note movement when I read a birl in notation, > I see three notes: low A,G, low A. If I am understanding this correctly that > means that the little finger is making a note when it makes initial contact, > again when it is raised and then a third time on the drag. This being the case > am I playing five notes instead of three? > When I play a birl I hear: da,da,dah. Should I be hearing da,dah? > I am seriously trying to improve my piping since there are few or no > instructors here. > Cheers, Rick - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:22:45 -0500 Maeve wrote in article <3826ef4c.0@news3.paonline.com>... >John gave me a tip for my birls that has worked brilliantly well >for me!!!! So, share the wealth! I recently, at the suggestion of my instructor, changed my birl, with great result. But I would like to know John's approach - especially birls down from B or up from G. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: birls Date: 08 Nov 1999 12:37:07 -0800 Ehh, I guess you meant three "Low A's" Ian(?) I hear: three low A's seperated by Two Low G's, creating a "dah - dah - dah" tripplet, as described by the poster. Or, "Dah - Gah - Gah" (to emphasize that Low "G" is articulating the last two A's). I hope I don't further confuse things; but this is important for begginners.... Given the above tripplet, there are three major cases of the Birl to consider. 1) Big Birl (w/ hi G gracenote) This makes an initial heavier consonant sound to start. As in: "Cha - Gah - Gah" (the "CH" is supposed to represent the hi G gracing) 2) small Birl from notes other than low A. This is the typical example from above. Dah - Gah - Gah 3) small Birl from low A. Here, the first note of the tripplet pattern is tied to the preceeding figure. "...ah - Gah - Gah" In all Birls, the last note of the tripplet is implicitly 'tied' to the next figure (whatever that may be). Cheers Todd Muscat Iain Sherwood wrote in message news:s2e7hm696i744@corp.supernews.com... > if you can get three low g's in your birl you're doing better than 98% of > the players in the world - a long as they're fast and even. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezeedrones for older pipes Date: 08 Nov 1999 23:20:24 GMT In article <8070om$8cm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, aberdeen wrote: > I recently received a couple of Ezeedrone bass reeds which were > designed for use in older pipes. Frequently the bass drones on these > older pipes makes tuning with modern reeds a problem. Ezeedrone's > solution is to make the bass drone reed about 9/16" longer than their > standard Ezeedrone bass reed. Drone reeds custom fitted to the pipe.....novel idea. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 09 Nov 1999 00:40:04 GMT >I have gone down this route, and may have some useful advice for you. Me too! Try non-slip pad from a carpet store. It comes in thin pads of rubber, and very cheap, they throw away bigger peices than you'd need as scrap. You can cut it into any shape or size, and it glues or sews well. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 08 Nov 1999 21:18:55 -0400 Matt Buckley wrote in message <01bf292a$36cf8c40$9a025bd1@default>... >Hey Folks - the parade went incredibly well! 55 degrees w/sun. > >The local (Grade 5) pipe band, St. Andrews Society >of Vermont, cancelled their appearance less than 24 hours before the >parade, citing >45 degrees or so Well, with Remembrance Day(11 Nov) and two Santa Clause Parades (one in the dark) last 2 Saturdays in Nov, we can only fantacize about getting it as warm as 45 degrees here in Nova Scotia..................... David PS: the parade in the dark is called the 'Parade of Lights" so we use Wal-Mart's string of 10 minilights powered by 2 "c" cells on our cords (and around the tops of the drums)......cost about $4.00 per set plus batteries........makes more of an impression and takes their minds of what is happening with our reeds ! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:25:00 GMT John who?? Mitchell?? I don't know the man.....never have met him......and have exchanged 1 email privately with him What are you talking about?? Get with the program hon! Lori oshpiper wrote: > In article <38264459.BF022EDE@nbnet.nb.ca>, > John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > > Nahhhhhh I'm not going to flame you...... > > I just wanted Bill to stop picking sides and just arguing for the sake > of > > arguing! > > Cheers, Lori > > If I was as friendly with John as you "seem" to be. I'd put my efforts > into helping him. I think he needs a friend about now. Don't forget to > "flock together". You know, like birds. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Dave's pics Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:34:53 -0700 Does anyone have the pics that Dave posted to the internet? I never got to see them, and I can't get them on Deja news. Thanks, Don S. -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: electropipes: christmas Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:40:07 -0700 Get Dedger, it's way ahead of the rest! Don Smith Brad Morrison wrote: > I need advice (again). Christmas is coming, and (I think) I really > want an electronic practice chanter. > > I figure I can get a little more practice time in if I can play > silently for the rest of the world. Recording capabilities aren't that > important, but being able to pretty well mimic the characteristics of > the chanter is important. > > There was a thread awhile back concerning these devices - likes and > dislikes. A couple people mentioned that some of the units tend to be > pretty temperamental (hand moisture, etc). > > I am leaning towards the deger pipes (though I do not know what they > cost yet) > > Any advice, real life stories about any of these units would be helpful. > > Brad > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 02:20:55 GMT >>and a marathon that keeps getting pushed back later and later >>every November. > >Zu, >Wheres this? I could win if I had the pipes at a marathon cheering me on Ocean State Marathon, this Sunday. This year it's Warwick to Providence. Most all the runners really love the pipes, and feel the same way you do. I'm usually at the highest elevation of the course, but this year they changed the route and I' at the midpoint. Brooks Pharmacy cosponsors the marathon, and they have some brochures about it. A photo of me piping at last year's race is in there. Cool. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:47:18 GMT On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:56:44 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >I will be playing against the Cops next year! I heard you've already had a few run-ins with the cops. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water trap recommendations ? Date: 09 Nov 1999 02:58:00 GMT >Could I please have the best recommendations for water traps or should I just >try to make my own from some vinyl tubing . Either way works. I like a 2-piece Gibson trap because it's removable when you season or when you don't want to use a trap. I've also made a homemade trap from a piece of plastic tubing and a PVC elbow. If you try to backfit a trap into your existing stock you're going to have problems with that 90 degree band....the tubing wants to kink. An elbow avoids all that. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 09 Nov 1999 03:02:59 GMT >But I would like >to know John's approach - especially birls down from B or up >from G. I hear he subcontracts his birls to a small pakistani firm. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ezeedrones for older pipes Date: 09 Nov 1999 03:06:38 GMT >Ezeedrone's >> solution is to make the bass drone reed about 9/16" longer than their >> standard Ezeedrone bass reed. > >Drone reeds custom fitted to the pipe.....novel idea. > Sort of a built-in extender tube. Do they charge extra for these reeds? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 03:09:02 GMT >For christ sake, give the instrument some dignity! This, coming from the J. Mitchell I met at Altamont, half naked and covered in woad? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 02:27:04 GMT >Couldn't believe what I was seeing. He then walked over >two the front of the church. He waited there for the arrival of the >family and played a RENDITION!!! of minstrel boy. Let me add the fact >that his playing was full of crossing noises and overlapping >doublings. It was offensive to listen to!!! Did the "civilians" (non-pipers) know any better? There's also the possibility that the piper was doing it as a favor or because he was a relative of the deceased. Or he might have been the ONLY piper available at the time. >All I'm saying here is that if you are a piper of this caliber, you >should have the decency to not perform at such functions as weddings >and funerals/etc. AND RECEIVE PAYMENT. And chances are, he got about the same fee as you or I would have. And there's bands out there full of pipers about like him, and they get $ for doing parades. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) BTW . .. Date: 09 Nov 1999 00:44:43 -0500 I forgot to mention that my arraignment is tomorrow morning at 10:30. Please hold me ALL of your Love, Light, and Hope as I go through this and send the judge compassion! If you don't hear from me by Wed., send a cake with the necessary tools to the Pasco County Jail . . . . I'll be the one beating my tin cup on the bars. -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) It's a beautiful day . .. Date: 09 Nov 1999 00:02:28 -0500 in the NEIGHBORHOOD!!!! ::Maeve buttons her red cardigan and straightens her bow tie while looking through her rose coloured glasses:: Mercury must be out of retrograde or something this week! And since we all playing well together and sharing nicely, I thought I would take a risk with some information that I received last week that REALLY helped me. Now, mind you all, this is NOT a tip from me but it came from Mr. Keith while I was there and I can't believe how much it helped me. It might not help another soul but here goes anyway! I was being questioned about some things when, what appeared to be a simple question was posed. "What is a grace note?" Hmmm . . . tough question but here goes. . . "An embellishment on a note" . .. . . WRONG ANSWER! As I sat looking sheepish, bewildered, and humbled, Mr. Keith went about telling me what a grace note was in real life. "It's a tool to get your hands where they need to be without making crossing noises. The bigger it is, the more time you have to get your hands where they need to be" . . . . DUH!!!!!!!!!!!! ::Maeve flattens her forehead with the palm of her hand again:: Why didn't I think of that before????? Since I had developed this horrible sin over the last few months . . . I decided to take this to heart. You are all quite aware of how imaginative and creative I can be by now. Well . . . let me tell you how this scenario worked up in my mind! I began looking at grace notes as a bridge (seriously! This cartoon ran through my head every time I played a gracing!) and, as I put my foot (beginning of the grace note) on this rope bridge, I saw the rope breaking (time I had to change hands) and I knew I had to run to be to the other side (time I had to be ready for the next note)! I can't tell you strongly enough how this new perception of grace notes cleaned up my act! When I played for my teacher last Saturday, she told me she had never heard my play as cleanly as I did that day!!!! Now I don't have to "see" the bridge scenario in my mind but I am VERY aware of the "grace period" that I am given!! :) :) Hope this helps someone else as much as it helped me. Although . . it does pay to have one of these psychotic minds on occasion!!! BTW!. . . . . JIM!!!!!!! It WORKED! While I was warming up at the park, without thinking (common place for me!), I left my pipe case open on a picnic table. When I came back, I found change in it!!!!!!!! ALMOST enough to get a Coke from MacDonald's on my way home!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:31:45 -0500 Hi, David... comparison between Dunbar delrins and Crisler delrins. I've owned two stands of Dunbars .... one bought in 1985ish black plastic and ghastly white ferrules and rings... built on a Henderson model... I think... loud as the dickens... (but I put Ross reeds into them and Shepherds ... what did I expect ... but they were loud with canes too...)... but they had a great "ringing" overtone with the drones in tune (proved to me you could get the "alive" sound even with plastic)... For many years, I used them for foul weather gigs...and when I travelled by air and didn't want to risk my primary set... the only bad "rap" was during cold weather... the delrin drones and stocks would get cold enough to have moist air condense a lot of water on the inside.... and accelerate the water logging of my drone reeds and chanter reed.... I have sold the set to a teeny bopper student who is notoriously flighty... and (despite threats of great bodily harm) tends to be slam bangish with his equipment... He is happy and his parents are happy... .....I replaced this set with a more modernly produced set of Dunbars (I still needed a beater set)...all black... purchased almost new in about 1996.... still loud.... but tone was better (not as coarse) both because the instrument seemed to be improved and because I fitted them with Wygent drone reeds... (both pipes were well made...no hash marks... well turned...militarily precise and clean of line and finish) .... In 1997, I shipped my primary set of solo pipes away for refurbishing of the drones (the bores needed to be made even... and some surface cracks needed to be stopped dead in their tracks with metal rings)...and through unfortunate circumstances... it seemed I would never get them back. So I looked into an ABW set of Peter Crisler's pipes (drones)... his are based on an 1890's set of MacDougalls...(I had handled/played both the ABW version and the Delrin version at a summer school of piping that both Peter and I attended). Very impressed with the sound and smoothness of both versions ( the ABW's are warmer/more alive/ sounding and have more/richer overtones than the delrins... all other factors equal...drone reeds swapped from one to the other... same chanter and reed setup). BUT the Crisler Delrins...sounded so much smoother than the Dunbar set that I had... that I immediately sold the Dunbars... and bought a set of Crisler Delrins (as well as an ABW set). I've got the Crisler Delrin's set up with EZeedrones... and they are robust enough sounding that they are my primary set of band pipes... and they are warm enough sounding I will freely use them for paid gigs... when there is any chance of adverse playing conditions... people familiar with my sound and familiar with pipes... say that they detect a difference in the sound from my blackwoods only if their attention is brought to the sound.... I feel with outdoor gigs, band gigs, and adverse weather gigs I am serving my clients well (whereas before... I would only use the beater set for definitely adverse weather gigs). The Crisler drones are extremely well made/machined...both inside and outside... ...With the EZeedrones in .... the tenor drones absolutely lock in tune... and I frequently... at first.. had to put my hand up to feel the drones to make sure they were both sounding... with the right bass drone reed... you can get a balanced sound with bass and tenors... my older model EZeedrone bass was a bit too quiet....(I have not had a chance to try the "new" EZeedrone bass). I have fitted the Delrins with a Ross canister bag system... and the drones have proven bulletproof/impervious to wet and/or cold playing conditions...very little drift in pitch over playing time.... I have replaced the plastic chanter stock with a wooden chanter stock... I feel this cuts down significantly on the moisture condensation in the chanter stock (under extremely cold conditions) affecting the chanter reed (this is over and above the drying provided by the canister system...). (this approach is similar to what Dave Turpen is doing...i.e. having a set of pipes set up for the colder weather gigs) The sound is sufficiently comparable to ABW pipes...that I would not mind competing at least through Grade iv with these pipes... A solid in-tune drone sound with very little drift will probably help you beat anyone with a mediocrely set up set of pipes... I hope this helps....being an example of my opinion as backed up with actions and money (On net, by the time you add in the cost of a chanter, there may be enough of a price difference, I think... that you do have to do some tradeoff analysis)... not to prove a point but to obtain what I consider a better sound setup.... this is however, only my opinion... and my experience (usual caveats...ymmv) It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) dnimmo wrote: > Ccc31807 wrote in message <19991102202525.17508.00000385@ng-xa1.aol.com>... > >>Who ?....where ? ........Aus....UK......US ? david > > > > > >Peter Crisler / PETER'S PIPES > >http://home.att.net/~peter.crisler > >Louisville Pipe Band > >http://users.aol.com/louavullpb/2.htm > > Thanks guys.............Peter replied very quickly to my e-mail to him, and > answered all my questions. > > Thanks......david > > PS: Don't want to start any slanging matches........ > > dare I ask for a comparison, pros and cons between Peter's and Dunbar's > (plastic)......has anyone compared them ? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) My Name is John... Date: 08 Nov 1999 23:02:07 -0900 Anybody else seen this movie yet - in particular the excruciating piping scene? The protagonist stops at a chip van somewhere in the north of Scotland. At the lay-by adjacent is a real hack piper, butchering the hell out of Scotland the Brave. He's surrounded by a crowd of Japanese tourists hanging all over him to get their pictures taken. The dialogue between the protagonist and the woman working the van is something along the lines of: W: ...the worst part is, he only knows three tunes. Scotlane the Brave - P: The Skye Boat Song W: Aye, right enough, and Flower of Scotland. Bonnie Scotland, eh? P: Aye, Bonnie Scotland, right enough. Just once, I'd like to see good piping in a film. Just once, I'd like to see piping and pipers sympathetically represented by someone who appreciates the instrument and the music. But what we get is a steady diet of Fat B***ard, and "We've got a piper down" and "aye, Bonnie Scotland right enough", or better yet, GHB in the film, with an uillean pipes soundtrack. Sigh, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 08 Nov 1999 23:43:23 -0500 David Page wrote in message news:3PKV3.49639$5W2.1197254@news6.giganews.com... > Maeve, > I've heard velcro applied directly to the chanter reed works > well if applied just prior to telling the steward you're ready to play your > tune. And if you don't have one of those fancy syntho bags with the > canister you can just dump the kitty litter right off the pet aisle from > your local grocery into your hide bag..... it works wonderfully. The > stickier the seasoning the better. And a lot of judges are looking for that > gravelly tone.... it's better than a crow. > Dave My DEAREST Dave! You have GOT to be the sweetest guy I have ever met in my entire life! To think that I will be alone . . . abandoned by my teacher at my first competition, and to have ANOTHER competitor in the same class as me SHARE his greatest piping knowledge with me . . . . well, it just brings tears to my eyes. You just don't know what it means to me to have YOU be so sharing and caring. I want to get a picture of the two of us together . . . you holding your pipe, me with my arm around you . . . . . . . . . . . . never mind that little knifey-thingy . . . . it won't hurt. Trust me. (GEEZ! I have always wanted to say that to a man!!!!!!!!) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:14:36 GMT >Most all the runners really love the pipes, and feel the same way you do. > Drat! That spoils any advantage they'd provide to me... my feet hurt, I'll have to pass this time lol Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:17:57 GMT >This, coming from the J. Mitchell I met at Altamont, half naked and covered >in >woad? Yeah Mitch, bathe, put on some clothes, and loose that gut before you talk about giving "the instrument some dignity". ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 10:21:06 GMT >My name is not really John Mitchell, I've been an imposter all this time. >John is not even aware that I'm using his name and identity. No wonder! When I met the real JM he denied all those abrasive posts... I always suspected you were Kieffer! lol Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Gilmour Practice Chanter Reeds Date: 09 Nov 1999 13:45:13 GMT I think I can safely say that EVERYONE who has tried Mike Gilmours Pipe Chanter Reeds has been totally amazed by them. Am I right? Best reeds you ever played? How does he do it? Well.......Mike has has now designed and is making his own brand of Practice Chanter Reed. I can tell you these reeds are just brilliant. I have tested a couple over the past month in a Long PC, Standard PC and a Rosewood Paki PC. They are great! Nice clean, crisp yet smooth tone and easy to balance. You can put a rubber bridle on them to soften the tone without losing the balance as well. If there has ever been a reason to get exited about PC Reed s (there hasn't) then this must be it. Check them out here. http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/gilmour.html Cheers all Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mull of Kintyre? Date: 09 Nov 1999 08:38:52 -0500 On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 06:59:41 -0600, "James N. Stewart" wrote: > >Luramao wrote in message >news:21390-38279B84-60@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net... >> I have a page of music for >> Mull of Kintyre that attributes it to "traditional," which would >> indicate the tune predates the Beatles. >> >> What's the story? Is this an old traditional tune, or is it a tune >> written by McCartney about his farm? Does anyone know? > >I don't think it's the same tune. Play it and see. There is also a jig called "The Mull of Kintyre". It is in P/M John MacKenzie's collection, can't recall the composer offhand. Dysart & Dundonald recorded it sometime in the mid-1970s. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The London Competition - Results Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:21:52 -0000 -- Peter Anderson Jim McGillivray wrote in message news:382765E9.2E373FD5@interlog.com... > Inning wrote: > > > Way to go, Andrew Douglas! > > > > Andrew is a 15-year-old from Syracuse, New York. He won the trip to London at > > last year's Nicol-Brown contest. > > > > Three cheers for the Nicol-Brown for providing such a classy prize. Andrew is > also a Grade 9 student at St. Andrew's College in Aurora, Ontario, where he > studies piping and wows his fellow piping students. A good kid all-around. > > Jim McGillivray > Aurora, Ontario > > > Jim & Ng I have spoken to Robert Wallace and although we have missed the deadline for the next edition of the Piping Times he seems ok to go for something in the following edition - any chance of some words & pics about Andrew. Personally I think this is great story and we should do everything we can to help and promote young pipers. P.S. I also passed on a similar message to Paula from The Voice. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 09 Nov 1999 14:55:04 GMT In article <3826ef4c.0@news3.paonline.com>, "Maeve" wrote: >John gave me a tip for > my birls that has worked brilliantly well for me If we don't know the "secret handshake", then I take it we don't get in the club. I guess that's one I'll pass up for now. I can only imagine what I'd have to shake. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:03:31 GMT In article <3826ed19.0@news3.paonline.com>, "Maeve" wrote: >...I'm, > at the moment, still going for the small piece of velcro. I have 5 days to > experiment. . . . here I go!!!!!!!!! Good luck, and let us know how it turns out for you. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Via Subject: (bagpipe) Re: BTW . .. Date: 09 Nov 1999 08:53:49 -0500 Hey Maeve if ya land in the Big House just be sure to have someone post that news on here so we can arrange a protest march, or something. I can see it now, a group of pipers make the journey to sunny Florida and set up shop outside the jail and do tag-team pibrochs until the powers that be relent and set you free. Attica! Attica! Ed Maeve wrote: > > I forgot to mention that my arraignment is tomorrow morning at 10:30. Please > hold me ALL of your Love, Light, and Hope as I go through this and send the > judge compassion! If you don't hear from me by Wed., send a cake with the > necessary tools to the Pasco County Jail . . . . I'll be the one beating my > tin cup on the bars. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:17:36 GMT In article <38277986.6B6F6B48@nbnet.nb.ca>, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > John who?? Mitchell?? I don't know the man.....never have met him......and > have exchanged 1 email privately with him > What are you talking about?? > Get with the program hon! > Lori And, you talk about me being persistant. Nothing like doubling-up on your public and private E-mails, eh? Now who needs the analysis, Hon? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:12:32 GMT In article <38278b64$1_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > My name is not really John Mitchell, I've been an imposter all this time. > John is not even aware that I'm using his name and identity. > > Sincerely > > Sunnybouy Wow! Multiple talents...multiple personalities? What next? A "made for TV" movie? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:21:03 GMT In article <3826FF90.D2F9D42C@maine.rr.com>, Doug Campbell wrote: > HEY PAT - there you go again! I thought we'd cleared that one up.... > > the chickens are in my garage. MY CHICKENS - MY GARAGE. > > Get your facts straight! > (as a Grade IV player I've been waiting a long time to use that line) > > Doug C. A thousand pardons, Doug. I completely forgot about you starting that issue. I still get a chuckle out of it. By the way, you haven't been missing any chickens lately, have you? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 09 Nov 1999 06:51:36 -0500 No, I didn't. In fact, my only posting was to the effect that I liked John's pipes and a prior one about my own Gibson chanter. I would never make an accusation about anyone... at least not on this ng; I know better. Bill Burt Paul Gretton wrote in message <3825B6D1.4378@compuserve.com>... >Bagpiip wrote: >> >> >At no time now or in future, have I ever received any monetary compensation >> >or material goods for my recommendations of Gibson Products. >> >> I accept your word on that John. As I said, it was A "rumor" and from a >> questionable source. >> Bill > >So you decided to propagate it in an international forum. What an arse you are, Bill. > >Cheers, > >Paul Gretton > >*****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)***** - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:26:13 GMT In article <38278a89_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > Please folks, stop doing Santa Clause parades. > > For christ sake, give the instrument some dignity! > > Santa Clause parades are for Kids, The great Highland bagpipe > does not belong there. > > Oh Humbug! Holy Cow! Another personality of John's. I gotta start writing them down. Let's see...what were the other ones? Somebody help me out here. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:08:41 -0500 Maeve, how a bout a patch of velour, or velvet on the bag cover" With a coarse enough velvet, , one on the "directional" types set so the "hairs" on the fabric will resist sliding down. Sort of like the old sealskin climbing patches X-country skiers used to use- just a thought. Maeve wrote: > Zudupiper wrote in message > news:19991107204004.01656.00002014@ng-bh1.aol.com... > > You could try starting small and working your way up. Start with some > velcro > > "donuts" around the chanter holes, and some mating velcro on your fingers. > Bet > > your D throws really crackle then. Birls, on the other hand....hmmmm. > > > > It seems not unlike something from a Seinfeld episode. > > Sounds like something that should be sold in the Zudupiper's Shop!!! > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mull of Kintyre? Date: 09 Nov 1999 08:53:42 -0800 written by McCartney 1975; released as single backed by 'School Girls' on Capitol; went to #1 in the UK for six weeks in 1976, made McCartney the most popular man in Scotland for a while. I believe he sold the farm when his kids went to high school. Luramao wrote in message news:21390-38279B84-60@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > There was a horse running in the Breeder's Cup on Saturday, named "Mull > of Kintyre." Someone said the tune, Mull of Kintyre was written by Paul > McCartney and it is the name of his farm in Scotland. I know he did > record a song of Mull of Kintyre (even used bagpipes in it) and I know > he owns or owned a farm in Scotland. But, I have a page of music for > Mull of Kintyre that attributes it to "traditional," which would > indicate the tune predates the Beatles. > > What's the story? Is this an old traditional tune, or is it a tune > written by McCartney about his farm? Does anyone know? > > Oh, the horse ran out of the money (4th) but still ran a credible race. > Could be a Derby/Darby horse.... > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mull of Kintyre? Date: 09 Nov 1999 12:47:35 -0500 On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:53:42 -0800, "Iain Sherwood" wrote: >written by McCartney 1975; released as single backed by 'School Girls' on >Capitol; went to #1 in the UK for six weeks in 1976, made McCartney the most >popular man in Scotland for a while. > >I believe he sold the farm when his kids went to high school. > Would that have been "Junior's Farm" ??? :-) Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 12:37:40 -0800 Yes, we call him 'Ebenezer Mitchell' at Christmas, or, occasionally, 'John McGrinch.' Doesn't keep him from playing well...or lambasting the unwary. You've got to admit, 'Jingle Bells' on pipes IS an abomination, siuitable only for frightening Ghosts of Christmas Never.... IS oshpiper wrote in message news:809eeh$o4$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <38278a89_6@news.newsfeeds.com>, > "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > > > Please folks, stop doing Santa Clause parades. > > > > For christ sake, give the instrument some dignity! > > > > Santa Clause parades are for Kids, The great Highland bagpipe > > does not belong there. > > > > Oh Humbug! > > Holy Cow! Another personality of John's. I gotta start writing them > down. Let's see...what were the other ones? Somebody help me out > here. > > Pat > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: electropipes: christmas Date: 09 Nov 1999 12:59:27 -0500 Brad Morrison wrote: > > I have been struggling to find a source for the > deger set, and a price. Any ideas on either. The British Shop has them listed for US$375. http://www.britishshop.com Recent info from Manfred Deger is: "The Chanter is still DM650 + p&p. Using the current exchange rate, this makes about $350 US + p&p of DM60 (about $32). Due to a high demand, there is a delivery time of about four or five weeks at the moment." http://www.deger.com/ -- Ewan Macpherson http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 22:37:09 GMT In article , "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > Yes, we call him 'Ebenezer Mitchell' at Christmas, or, occasionally, 'John > McGrinch.' Doesn't keep him from playing well...or lambasting the unwary. > > You've got to admit, 'Jingle Bells' on pipes IS an abomination, siuitable > only for frightening Ghosts of Christmas Never.... > > IS I was kinda waiting to see if he was going to have a close encounter with one of those Ghosts. But, then that movie has already been done too many times already. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: London Competition?? Date: 09 Nov 1999 12:38:36 -0800 see below! George Shears wrote in message news:38285FD6.E7C85B69@nortelnetworks.com... > When is the contest in London, or have I missed it already?? > > Also, are advance ticketes recommended/required?? > > Many thanks, > > George Shears > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Gibson Paystub! Date: 09 Nov 1999 13:39:49 -0900 Bill Burt wrote: > No, I didn't. In fact, my only posting was to the effect that I liked > John's pipes and a prior one about my own Gibson chanter. I would never > make an accusation about anyone... at least not on this ng; I know better. > > Bill Burt > Paul Gretton wrote in message <3825B6D1.4378@compuserve.com>... > >Bagpiip wrote: > >> > >> >At no time now or in future, have I ever received any monetary > compensation > >> >or material goods for my recommendations of Gibson Products. > >> > >> I accept your word on that John. As I said, it was A "rumor" and from a > >> questionable source. > >> Bill > > > >So you decided to propagate it in an international forum. What an arse you > are, Bill. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul Gretton > > > >*****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)***** Wrong Bill, Bill. Paul meant the bagpiip@aol.com Bill, who posted the rumour here for our edification (see above). You're absolved. Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 09 Nov 1999 19:14:42 -0400 > I was kinda waiting to see if he was going to have a close encounter > with one of those Ghosts. But, then that movie has already been done > too many times already. > > Pat > > Yes, I think the one starring << Henry Winkler >> really illustrated that point. Doug C. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: birls Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:13:14 -0800 obviously you've never heard John D. Burgess.... The Plaid Piper wrote in message news:80a233$fjf$1@newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu... > > > if you can get three low g's in your birl you're doing better than 98% of > > the players in the world - a long as they're fast and even. > > > If you're getting three low G's in your birl you must be doing them wrong. > No matter which technique is used, when played correctly there should only > be two low G's in a birl. > > Rob > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mull of Kintyre? Date: 09 Nov 1999 11:27:35 -0500 James N. Stewart wrote in article <8095mv$3f2$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>... > > Luramao wrote in message > news:21390-38279B84-60@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > > I have a page of music for > > Mull of Kintyre that attributes it to "traditional," which would > > indicate the tune predates the Beatles. > > > Other examples, are Darcy Farrel (recorded by Ian and Sylvia and reportedly > written in connection with a bogus folklore paper at a college in the > sixties) .... Darcy Farrow was written by Steve Gillette, as confirmed by Ian Tyson. The college seminar story has been around for decades, and is incorrect. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thank you, John Mitchell! Date: 09 Nov 1999 23:29:38 GMT > we don't know the "secret handshake", then I take it we don't get in Just make sure the secret handshake dosn't include a sip of Maeves vino!!! Your pipes will be on sale at the closest flea market. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 10 Nov 1999 00:31:24 GMT >Piping: people either love it or hate it, nothing in between. >-- >Billy L. > Hell, I must be the exception, some days I love it some days I hate it. Just can't leave it alone though. Yep, Maueve's wine, not the doctored stuff though! Or is it?? She wouldn't spell the whole comp section just because of Dave ?? Jim Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: BTW . .. Date: 09 Nov 1999 23:25:41 GMT > set >up shop outside the jail and do tag-team pibrochs until the powers that >be relent and set you free. if they only thought of this in the 60's!!!! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 23:32:37 GMT >I didn't realize there were "Piping Police". RPDC ( Royal Piping Deportment Corps) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Ocala!!!!!!!! Date: 09 Nov 1999 19:30:45 -0500 Yes, it's true! I'll be in Ocala on Saturday before my SECOND judge of the week! The Gods are good! The stint in court was terrifying at best! I was forced to sit until LAST!!!! This was a good thing as I was able to rethink my tactics. I decided that grabbing the judge by the jugular and telling him about the unfairness of the judicial system was not in my best interest. He was quite pleasant and there was some confusion that lent some validation to my "not guilty" plea (the one that allowed me the trip to England!). Seems that the State Attorney's office made a mistake and had me down as "driving without a license" instead of an expired license! So my not guilty was valid, the judge assumed this was the reason. In a meek, timid voice, I asked, "May I please change that to no contest?" Smiles from the judge assured me that he was going to be pleasant. Of course . . . the answer. . .that will be $105. Can you pay that today? SURE THING! I mean, yes, Sir, Your Honor! The State's Attorney started to protest something and the judge jumped to MY defense!!!!!!!!!! It's over! No need for the piobaireachd marathon!!!!!!!!!! Now I just have to hope that the judge this Saturday will be as lenient!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to all of you for your thoughts, well wishes and caring. It helped get me through this horrible experience and I am no longer THE FELON PIPER!!!!!!!! :) -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . now a free woman! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:51:40 -0800 I would look at getting a new bag cover rather than trying gimmicks. If you are using a velvet one they can be a bit slippery. Perhaps a corduroy cover or a heavier wool one. You might also look at how your pipes fit you. I was once told, "you don't hold them, you stand under them", well, perhaps that sounds a bit silly but I liked it. cheers Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: BTW . .. Date: 10 Nov 1999 04:16:34 GMT >be sure to have someone post >that news on here so we can arrange a protest march Is that like a retreat march? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Bag slippage Date: 10 Nov 1999 10:31:11 GMT > also others are playing so that the drones are >not touching their shoulder. This only puts the full weight of >the drones on the bag, forcing it down. This seems to be a fad with some young comp pipers around herer to play hunched over with the drones straight up not touching the shoulders. Sure looks uncomfortable. Don't know who started that one. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Contacts for band in NW London (UK) Date: 10 Nov 1999 12:34:39 -0000 -- Peter Anderson Pat Terry wrote in message news:38291789.D1E55E29@cs.ru.ac.za... > My brother, Chris Terry, currently at St Andrew's College in Grahamstown > South Africa amnd who will be known to at least some of the Piobaireachd > players who scan this group, has asked me to post this request. He does > not normally read this group. Perhaps you could reply to > > sterc@sac.ecape.school.za > > but I will also look for postings on the NG. > > Many thanks > Pat Terry > > ------ cut --------- > > I have one ex pupil (Justin Harwood, last year's Pipe Major) living > quite near Heathrow, and his sister (Lyndsey, this year's lead > drummer) is going to the UK next year. She will be in the north east > side of London. I am looking for a suitable band for them to join - > probably grade 3 or 4 - and probably located in the north west London > area. Do you think you could post out an enquiry on that pipers' > newsgroup to find out contacts for bands in that sort of area? There are a few good bands not far from Heathrow, but for NW London I can only think of the Waltham Forrest PB, I have no details, but you should be able to get these from the RSPBA - if not get back to me and I will dig deeper. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Bag slippage Date: 10 Nov 1999 12:37:06 -0000 -- Peter Anderson JSLOANPR wrote in message news:19991110053111.16514.00003793@ng-fn1.aol.com... > > also others are playing so that the drones are > >not touching their shoulder. This only puts the full weight of > >the drones on the bag, forcing it down. > > This seems to be a fad with some young comp pipers around herer to play hunched > over with the drones straight up not touching the shoulders. Sure looks > uncomfortable. Don't know who started that one. > > Jim FWIW Willie McCallum & R.S.(Roddy) MacDonald both play with their drones straight up. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Fabric weights Date: 10 Nov 1999 09:07:18 -0500 Could someone with mathematical skills please find pity and help me out . . PLEASE!?!? I wove a sample of my family tartan in wool at 45 ends per inch. The fabric felt heavy to me so I want to lessen the e.p.i. While I was trying to figure out the weight of the fabric, it told me that I had to ADD ends. Yeah, right. So much for the mathematically challenged one here!!! What I'm trying to find out is the weight of this sample. I can take it from there (maybe!). The sample is 10 1/2" x 70" and weighs 5.45 ounces. What would the weight of this fabric be considered???? I'm going to warp the loom next week and take advantage of the time between competitions and see if I can't get my new kilt done before the next one. I don't know what makes me think that I can accomplish this feat but please let me dream! NO, Dick. . this is NOT the handspun/hand-woven kilt. I'll need a walker by the time THAT one is done!!!!! :) But this one will be woven from a commercially spun wool that is also very nice. Thanks in advance!!! I know there are some geniuses out there! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mull of Kintyre? Date: 10 Nov 1999 09:20:22 -0500 James N. Stewart wrote in article <80asa9$fnm$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>... > > Darcy Farrow was written by Steve Gillette, as confirmed by > > Ian Tyson. The college seminar story has been around for > > decades, and is incorrect. > I think I last hear the college tale form John Pancake (Big Sandy Review > fame), but I wouldn't swear to that. I can't place the name Steve Gillette, > any hint/ Steve Gillette, and his wife Cindy Mangsen, are well-known on the New England folk circuit and beyond. They reside in southern Vermont. I seem to recall Steve was credited with Darcy Farrow in the John Denver 'Rocky Mountain High' sleeve notes. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Zipper Bag available? Date: 10 Nov 1999 15:06:31 GMT In article <38290F06.FF93C6E@aol.com>, Shawn Husk wrote: > Okay is the newly designed Ross bag with the zipper in the > back available yet? If not anyone know when? Shawn, they've been available for a couple of months or so. We've gotten in our second shipment. BTW, the zipper is on the bottom rather than the back as with the "clamp-back"; and the "clamp-back" is still being made by Ross. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 10 Nov 1999 10:04:39 -0500 If I remember correctly, tartan comes in two widths: an ell,(39 inches) and 54 inches. If the weight is reckoned by the running yard, then we nwould have two different "weights" for cloth of the same density. - one yard being 36x39 inches, (1404 sq.inches), the other 36x 54 inches (1944 sq.in). Given the above, let's assume weights are per square yard(1296sq inches) Your sample, 10.5x70 would be 735 sq. inches. a square yard would be about 1.763 times as large as your sample, so a sq yard of your weave would weigh about 9.68 ounces. - roughly a 10 ounce weight. Maeve wrote: > Could someone with mathematical skills please find pity and help me out . . > PLEASE!?!? I wove a sample of my family tartan in wool at 45 ends per inch. > The fabric felt heavy to me so I want to lessen the e.p.i. While I was > trying to figure out the weight of the fabric, it told me that I had to ADD > ends. Yeah, right. So much for the mathematically challenged one here!!! > What I'm trying to find out is the weight of this sample. I can take it from > there (maybe!). The sample is 10 1/2" x 70" and weighs 5.45 ounces. What > would the weight of this fabric be considered???? I'm going to warp the loom > next week and take advantage of the time between competitions and see if I > can't get my new kilt done before the next one. I don't know what makes me > think that I can accomplish this feat but please let me dream! NO, Dick. . > this is NOT the handspun/hand-woven kilt. I'll need a walker by the time > THAT one is done!!!!! :) But this one will be woven from a commercially spun > wool that is also very nice. Thanks in advance!!! I know there are some > geniuses out there! > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How I fixed it!! Used to be Ezedrone shock...................!!!!! Date: 10 Nov 1999 15:51:00 GMT In article <3828a388_2@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>, "JOHN BROADWELL" wrote: > >SNIP! but what I did notice was that the screw in the base of >the reed was well out and slightly loose! ah ha!! I hear you say? then >it came to me, Jim Hudgins had mentioned this, thank you Jim, I have >also come across this trick in a band I used to play in, I plied some >PTFE tape (Teflon) to the screw and refitted it in the reed. The reed >played with no wildly swinging variations in pitch. > > John B. > I did the same thing to my wygents a few years ago and mit made a huge differeance in their performance. Got a jpeg of them at http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9148/dreeds.jpg -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fernetta Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 10 Nov 1999 16:03:48 GMT In article <19991105142514.02573.00001352@ng-cn1.aol.com>, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: > >. in sunny Florida . . where it's 78 today, Bill! :) > > GRRRRRR! ;?)~ > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. Yea well, Greetings from sunny MINNESOTA!!! where it's 75 degrees today! (or yesterday actually) Fernetta ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fernetta Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. Date: 10 Nov 1999 16:31:24 GMT In article <807197$8qb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: > Fernetta, > Sorry that you took my attempt at some light hearted > humour to be childish silly, child like and feeblemindedness, > To which I most humbly apologize. Still does not answer my > question though. Which question? The high school level judging twaddle or the high school level inuendo? (20 years, BS) > (purile) sould this not be (puerile)????? > > Sam S. It sould, it sould! Oops, missed that E grace note again. Sorry teacher. No, it should be prurient as in: bawdy,coarse,crude,dirty,foul,improper... Fernetta ~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Facts about World Championships? Date: 10 Nov 1999 12:12:53 -0400 JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <3828cd11_8@news.newsfeeds.com>... THE WORLDS: >Last year there was 239 bands in attendance! > >There's typically over 200 bands each year. > >The crowd size is not what you think it should be, >I would extimate aprox. 10 to 15,000 and that's mostly >band family members. Hmmmm... assuming avg band size of 25,........ that's 5,975 competitiors alone If we further assume each competitor has one spouse/"friend" in attendance (some don't but others have whole families)..........this gives us 11,950 people....... Then we make a pretty safe assumption that most people overestimate numbers in attendance at events in general...................... Is it fair to assume that "you have to be a participant to appreciate it" (pipe & drum music that is) ? Does this make piping the most inbred activity know to society ? Do casual fans of the pipes really care about anything other than good starts & stops, tight tuning, and colourful uniforms ? stir........stir.................................david PS I think crowds would be much larger at a North American venue, except the Scots will never go for this cause, they(we) are too cheap to shoulder transportation costs........... > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 10 Nov 1999 17:55:32 GMT >Yea well, Greetings from sunny MINNESOTA!!! where it's 75 degrees today! >(or yesterday actually) > >Fernetta Well "GRRRR" to you too! ;?)~ Actually it's 70 degrees here today, with a predicted drop of 30 degrees by this time tommorow, so the "GRRRR's" for tommorow when I'm hibernating instead of running 9.5 miles. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Bag slippage Date: 10 Nov 1999 17:57:47 GMT >FWIW Willie McCallum & R.S.(Roddy) MacDonald both play with their drones >straight up. So does my 10 year old daughter... I think they stole this posture from her. ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 10 Nov 1999 20:39:54 GMT In article <3829051C.CAF73FAA@aol.com>, Shawn Husk wrote: > Excuse me here Dave, I don't know about all of the players > that you mentioned above but I know for a fact that Iain > Macey isn't "playing" a set of Lee drone reeds. He might own > a set, as might all the others you mentioned but that > certainly doesn't mean they're "playing" them as in everyday > in their pipes and at contests, etc..... Is this your contibution to the NG today? Your presumtion is that these folks have just the one set of pipes and that, for a maker to claim the any are using his gear, the piper in question must, necessarily, use them as his "competition" rig. One Gold-medalist uses my reeds in his band pipes and cane in his solo pipes. If a piper uses a blackwood Naill for solo, a blackwood Shepherd for band, and plastic Warnock for whenever he feels like it, which chanter will you say he uses? I'd say he uses them all. I'm surprised you'd step up and make such a one-dimensional, and rather pointless, comment which has absolutely nothing to do with you. I play Cairns/Indian drone reeds when the urge strikes, but mostly I play mine. If someone were to ask who's reeds I play, I'd have to honestly say "both." Is that too complicated for you? Call the party in question, have a good long talk, and then get back with me privately. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: J. Mitchell field tests his Gibsons Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:55:55 GMT In article <80afu9$r35$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, teddythefish@my-deja.com wrote: > Found this on the Oran Mor PB site, and found it amusing. > > http://www.conto.com/oranmor/images/nrpjohn.jpg Now, tell me. Which personality is being displayed here? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parade / Wygents Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:47:21 GMT In article <38289ADD.A81F8017@maine.rr.com>, Doug Campbell wrote: > > I was kinda waiting to see if he was going to have a close encounter > > with one of those Ghosts. But, then that movie has already been done > > too many times already. > > > > Pat > Yes, I think the one starring << Henry Winkler >> really illustrated that > point. > > Doug C. My point exactly, Doug. Now, if we could get your chickens and John together, we might be able to remake the Disney movie, "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken". Darn, I'm sorry again, I meant your wife's chickens. Oh, nuts. That won't work at all. It wouldn't match up with the original story line or plot, would it? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:21:29 -0800 They're in England. If you want to do business with them I suggest Rob Wallace chris schyma wrote in message news:80c4fl$b6b$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > could someone please tell me the number for Niall Bagpipes, Scotland. > > Chris > Grampian Police Pipe Band > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New reeds Date: 10 Nov 1999 14:16:08 -0800 1. season the bag 2. get to your teacher right away. 3. get some 'easy' reeds to play for the next few months. Iain Sherwood Cuillinn Craft David G. Michels wrote in message news:3828B53A.F6CA405F@sprynet.com... > I have been on the practice chanter for about 6-8 months and have > finally started on that long, mystical journey towards greatness on the > highland bagpipes. The set arrived yesterday, replete with wygent > synthedrone reeds and a cane chanter reed. > > Just blowing on the chanter I can get the chanter reed to start playing > with the chanter closed (all fingers on) or on low A, but as soon as I > try a G gracenote on low A, the reed stops. I have to blow reaaaallll > hard to get the reed to go or stay going. The reed 'crows' by itself, > but I have to blow real hard. > > When I install the chanter on the bag, with the drones stoppered, I have > to inflate the bag with a lot of effort, and the chanter will barely > squeak when I do that. If I unstopper the drones, they all start; but > if I blow hard enough to make the chanter squeak, the drones literally > stop. > > I tried soaking the chanter reed in water. I tried pressing the lips of > the reed together. I might even try sanding the reed a little, but it > needs to soften (?) How else can I get it to do this? > > The bag is sheepskin, and new, but as best as I can tell it is air tight > and doesn't need much in the way of seasoning. The hemp is all new, so > I don't expect to have any air leaks there. > > I appreciate any advice or tips. I ordeed some Megarity Ross Reeds; > hopefully they will be better? I don't want to blow much harder, > because if I do I may ruin the drone reeds. > > Help, help. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Facts about World Championships? Date: 10 Nov 1999 21:23:49 GMT In article , "dnimmo" wrote: > > JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <3828cd11_8@news.newsfeeds.com>... > > PS I think crowds would be much larger at a North American venue, except > the Scots will never go for this cause, they(we) are too cheap to shoulder > transportation costs........... > > Could you imagine the size of the crowd if it was held at Maxville??!!!! or even NYC Area??!! -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) Playing with a Banjo Date: 11 Nov 1999 00:28:24 +0100 I've been asked to do a duo with a Banjo, any suggestions as to tuning etc?? (and yeah, sure, someone will suggest I play "Banjo Breakdown", come up with a better one ;-) -- Leslie The Gaucho Piper - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 10 Nov 1999 23:47:23 GMT On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:03:48 GMT, Fernetta wrote: >In article <19991105142514.02573.00001352@ng-cn1.aol.com>, > bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >> >. in sunny Florida . . where it's 78 today, Bill! :) >> >> GRRRRRR! ;?)~ >> Bill >> Mar a bha, mar a tha, >> mar a bhitheas gu brath, >> ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > >Yea well, Greetings from sunny MINNESOTA!!! where it's 75 degrees today! >(or yesterday actually) > >Fernetta And 72 the day before and 68 tomorrow and about the same over the weekend, and..... Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dave's pics Date: 10 Nov 1999 16:45:40 -0700 Thanks I will look for them. Give the new guy hell and break him in right! Take care, Don. P.S. how are the kilberrys comming, the kid is getting spazstic wating for them. I told him they haven't been gone that long and to chill out, but said I would ask. Thanks, Don madman wrote: > sdon wrote: > > > > Does anyone have the pics that Dave posted to the internet? I never got > > to see them, and I can't get them on Deja news. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don S. > I'd upload all of them and send them to you if I could,but this CRAP > computer of > mine takes forever to do anything. > A guy just rented some office space down the hall from here and the > landlord informs me > that he needs to run a T1-line thru our space,......I told him thats > fine but I'm > gonna tap into your connection...he *thought* I was joking. > So sooner or later those pics will end up in your mailbox,and they'll be > on our new website,and a few other websites as well. > Charlie has informed me that he'll welcome our new "friend" with a nice > long Piobroch, > with the front door wide open. > Luckily,we have a 20 year lease..... -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 10 Nov 1999 23:48:22 GMT On 10 Nov 1999 17:55:32 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>Yea well, Greetings from sunny MINNESOTA!!! where it's 75 degrees today! >>(or yesterday actually) >> >>Fernetta > >Well "GRRRR" to you too! ;?)~ >Actually it's 70 degrees here today, with a predicted drop of 30 degrees by >this time tommorow, so the "GRRRR's" for tommorow when I'm hibernating instead >of running 9.5 miles. You'll get our today tomorrow, a clinker in the week I'll tell you. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: J. Mitchell field tests his Gibsons Date: 10 Nov 1999 23:27:40 GMT uh, not to be taken out of context! The point of the cheers 'n beers contest (at Capital District Games) is to make music, have fun, and entertain. John (and NRPPB) was doing just that. Obviously you've never seen Gordon Walker's rendition of "Drunken Piper" ??? It's live theatre that blends Mr. Walker's comic and musical genius. I'm not suggesting that this is or that it should be "the norm." However, it does have its time and place. Ringo teddythefish@my-deja.com wrote: Found this on the Oran Mor PB site, and found it amusing. oshpiper wrote: What dignity the instrument displays here! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matheson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ocala!!!!!!!! Date: 10 Nov 1999 19:57:55 -0600 Darn! And I was looking for an excuse to travel downstate (or is that cross state?) and make some noise. Les Maeve wrote in message <3828bd5f.0@news3.paonline.com>... >Yes, it's true! I'll be in Ocala on Saturday before my SECOND judge of the >week! The Gods are good! The stint in court was terrifying at best! I was >forced to sit until LAST!!!! This was a good thing as I was able to rethink >my tactics. I decided that grabbing the judge by the jugular and telling him >about the unfairness of the judicial system was not in my best interest. He >was quite pleasant and there was some confusion that lent some validation to >my "not guilty" plea (the one that allowed me the trip to England!). Seems >that the State Attorney's office made a mistake and had me down as "driving >without a license" instead of an expired license! So my not guilty was >valid, the judge assumed this was the reason. In a meek, timid voice, I >asked, "May I please change that to no contest?" Smiles from the judge >assured me that he was going to be pleasant. Of course . . . the answer. . >.that will be $105. Can you pay that today? SURE THING! I mean, yes, Sir, >Your Honor! The State's Attorney started to protest something and the judge >jumped to MY defense!!!!!!!!!! It's over! No need for the piobaireachd >marathon!!!!!!!!!! Now I just have to hope that the judge this Saturday will >be as lenient!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to all of you for your thoughts, well wishes >and caring. It helped get me through this horrible experience and I am no >longer THE FELON PIPER!!!!!!!! :) >-- >Love and Light be with you, >Maeve . . . now a free woman! >http://people.delphi.com/terralyn >terride@sanctum.com > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Wood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:58:35 GMT I have used the "gripper" stuff for drawers. I cut a section and sewed it onto my cover. It works pretty good. And the bag will come out from under your arm when you are done playing. Matt Maeve wrote in article <38261010.0@news3.paonline.com>... > Tell me . . has anyone tried Velcro on their bag cover and shirt??? I'm > considering this for two reasons. The first is, obviously, to keep the bag > from slipping while playing. The second is to keep Dave and his assassin > team from getting Angus from me this weekend at time when I am not paying > complete attention. Anyone tried it? > -- > Love and Light be with you, > Maeve . . . in sunny Florida . . where it was 80 again today, Bill. > http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > terride@sanctum.com > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) USMC Birthday Date: 10 Nov 1999 23:59:14 GMT Happy Birthday Marines! I'll be re-reading the letter from the 20th Commandant, Gen. John A. LeLeune, and piping the Marines' Hymn. I might tip a few quiet ones too. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How I fixed it!! Used to be Ezedrone shock...................!!!!! Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:03:56 GMT > I did the same thing to my wygents a few years ago and mit made a huge >differeance in their performance. > > Got a jpeg of them at http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9148/dreeds.jpg I don't understand how all that teflon makes any difference. The only way teflon would seem to help is if it's wrapped around the threads that are screwed into the reedbody (plugging up any little air routes). Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Swing with Pipes?? Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:09:53 GMT >They threw down >the gauntlet with "Nate, you can't swing to pipes!" For what it's worth, I took my pipes to a ska band rehearsal one time. I played Cork Hill, most of the other instruments did roots & fifths, and it was a lot of fun. Keyboard player asked after I was done "hey, your scale's not chromatic, is it?" Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Swing with Pipes?? Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:36:48 GMT >whistles, fiddles, or accordians could handle a smokin' version of some >classic swing song. > >So: Does anybody know of any existing music like that? I might try to Have you heard Harry Connick Jr sing, and the swing band play " Londonderry Air" ( Danny Boy ) in the movie "Memphis Belle"? He did it traditional for the first verse or so and then took it swinging with the band. Not Bad. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New reeds Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:58:06 GMT >if I blow hard enough to make the chanter squeak, the drones literally >stop. See Iain's 3 recommendations. Your chanter reed is too hard. When you overblow enough to make it speak, you're blowing the drone reeds shut. >I tried soaking the chanter reed in water. I tried pressing the lips of >the reed together. I might even try sanding the reed a little, but it >needs to soften (?) How else can I get it to do this? If you soaked the chanter reed in water, it's toast now. Try shaving it. What kind of reed is it (ridge cut or molded)? That'll determine where to shave it. >I appreciate any advice or tips. I ordeed some Megarity Ross Reeds; >hopefully they will be better? It's not the make of the reeds, but the strength, that's the problem. > I don't want to blow much harder, >because if I do I may ruin the drone reeds. No, that won't happen. They'll just snap shut like they already do. You won't hurt anything by overblowing...but you're better off not having to overblow. >Help, help. See Iain's 2nd suggestion (get thee to thy teacher pronto). Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: USMC Birthday Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:59:16 GMT > I'll be re-reading the letter from the 20th Commandant, Gen. John A. > LeLeune, and piping the Marines' Hymn. I might tip a few quiet ones > too. > > Mark Mark and all former U.S. Marines - Happy 224th! (Been there - done that.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 11 Nov 1999 01:00:24 -0400 Chris Eyre wrote in message <80cosc$rij$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >If it's David Naill & Co. you're looking for their number is: >01643 707629 > >(... but they're not in Scotland. They're in Minehead, Somerset.) Well Chris......we ain't going to ask YOU about Santa Clause ! NAILL'S ARE ENGLISH BAGPIPES ! ! ! ? ? ! ! WOW ! ! Are you going to shatter the Easter Bunny myth as well ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lloyd . . This one's for you! Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:18:47 GMT >And 72 the day before and 68 tomorrow and about the same over the >weekend, and..... > >Royce Well it's 41 now, and your all really starting to piss me off! LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Harry Potter Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:22:52 GMT I have just finished "Sorcerer's Stone" and report to you that it is a wonderful book, full of joy and light. It is NOT a children's book, although my ten year old son has read them all. It has richness and depth, and is well worth the two or three hours it will take you to read it. No connection with piping, except the tenuous one that J. K. Rowling is Scottish, but I just wanted to share this with you all. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 11 Nov 1999 07:29:39 -0800 > Are you going to shatter the Easter Bunny myth as well ? no, but I am - he's a disco dancin', Interior Decoratin', Martha Stewart lovin' Friend of Dorothy's.... and the company you refer to is David, Naill, & Co., Leslie Cowell, owner. The company is named after his two sons. IS - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Playing with a Banjo Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:17:10 -0500 Robbie wrote in message news:80ekes$4f5$1@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca... >For a novelty item, I'd > take a shot at "Dueling Banjos" - having played (guitar not pipes) with a > banjo for several years, you are bound to get requests for it. This works GREAT! A friend and I worked out a "Dueling Bagpipes" thing to the tune of "Dueling Banjos"! It was a riot and sounded neat too!!!! Works well on pipes! Would probably work just as well with a pipe and banjo . . . -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Help tune search - nice 4/4s' Date: 11 Nov 1999 16:21:03 -0000 I am looking for two nice 4/4' which I cannot find in my extensive music collection. "Prince Edward Island" & "Jacks Welcome Home". Thanks in advance -- Peter Anderson - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Anything better than Deja Date: 11 Nov 1999 13:43:12 -0500 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:07:06 GMT, dtvsteve@my-deja.com wrote: >Is there anything better thatn Deja News to follow the news group?? I >have Netscape 4.7....Any help would be appreciated... You can get Free Agent (free) or Agent ($30) from Forte, Inc. -- http://www.forteinc.com Solely for news-reading - works very well. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) RSPBA re-gradings Date: 11 Nov 1999 19:09:48 GMT Piper & Drummer has posted that the RSPBA has made the following grading changes. Polkemmet, Lothian & Borders Police, Grampian Police & Ravara have been demoted to the grade 2. City of Washington has been booted up to the 1!!! Congratulations Chris and John!!!!!!!!! Good luck finding a contest anywhere close though! -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 11 Nov 1999 19:38:35 GMT Hi Chris, Great stuff, thanks for all your work on this. I am impressed by your effort, and the good work, and I know I will have much fun loading the files and listening to em. In the spirit of sharing (and thinking others will have some of the same comments), I'm thinking public is the way to mention this stuff, so: 1) The file sizes are not (in the ones I've downloaded so far) what you've indicated. Not a big deal, but ? B) Would it be much work to create a single (or two) large Zipped files? (I know the answer, but have you considered it?) iii) What is the mix of the players - how many Open, G1, G2, etc..? d) I'd like to know a little about the recording of each sound file - mic used, software, sample rate, primarily - by sound file.. so we don't end up comparing apples and oranges.. ( high quality mic vs. $3 mic as an example). V) What is the mix of pipes - drones, chanter, reeds. I don't want to know what is on (or in) which (?) sound file.. I'd like to try to guess, but I would love to know.. things like.. 2 Open players, three sets of Paki drones, two sets of home made cardboard drone reeds.. you know, stuff like that.. I am not trying to complain at all.. I really appreciate the work you're doing here, and I think it will be great fun. Thanks again. Bob D. (having too much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help tune search - nice 4/4s' Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:46:14 -0800 PEI is in Worrall Bk. 2; Jack's Welcome is in Neil Dickie. Neil's book is in reprint production; Worrall's is available from CoP. Iain Peter Anderson wrote in message news:942337563.4173.0.nnrp-09.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > I am looking for two nice 4/4' which I cannot find in my extensive music > collection. > > "Prince Edward Island" & "Jacks Welcome Home". > > Thanks in advance > > -- > Peter Anderson > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chattanooga PB Date: 11 Nov 1999 14:49:21 -0500 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:29:18 -0000, "fritz" wrote: >What's this all about? >This has to be a joke- if it isn't it soon will be! >Any more room for crap american bands? > >Fritz >DUT I'm not sure what my photo gallery has to do with the Chattanooga Pipe Band ... But hey there is a DUT pic on my website. As for crap American bands, well you've got to start somewhere, Grade 5 is probably a good place to start. Chris >Chris Hamilton wrote in message <0+slOGxWLSt4AT01G4KIlSkETt2x@4ax.com>... >>Some new photos have been added to the Pipe Band Photo Gallery ... >> >>http://toneczar.freeservers.com/gallery.html >> >>Also a pic of my devilishly handsome self in Oklahoma at >>http://toneczar.freeservers.com ... >> >>Brought to you free by ... me ! >> >>Chris >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com >>City of Washington Pipe Band >>http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help tune search - nice 4/4s' Date: 11 Nov 1999 12:12:34 -0800 Jack's Welcome is in Rob Macneil, not Seumas Mike Phillips wrote in message news:PyCW3.7008$Ti4.726325@alfalfa.thegrid.net... > > > "Prince Edward Island" > > The International Collection Of Highland Bagpipe Music, Book Two > > > "Jacks Welcome Home" > > The Seumas Mac Neill Collection Of Bagpipe Music > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: raistlin88@aol.com (Raistlin88) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: J. Mitchell field tests his Gibsons Date: 11 Nov 1999 20:22:23 GMT What? isn't that how they're supposed to be played? That's how I was always taught. Maybe that's why I never won any competitions... >oshpiper being displayed here? > >Piobair wrote: What dignity the instrument displays here! > > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: caber feidh 4/4 march Date: 11 Nov 1999 20:56:26 GMT You can find Caber Feidh in several forms, including the 4/4 march version, in the Caber Feidh collection of the Queens Own Highlanders. Stu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Date: 05 Nov 1999 06:28:09 GMT On 05 Nov 1999 01:58:23 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >>I don't know what grade 4 some of you guys play in, but blowing tone >>winds more grade 4 contests in spite of playing than anything else. > >Around here it seems to be the other way around. Put it this way: the first grade 4 band to show up with drones and chanters tuned wins. Royce. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) 45 degrees !! I wish..... Date: 11 Nov 1999 19:06:59 -0400 As I looked out the window at 08:30 AM this morning a light snow was falling.........the lawn was already white from the overnight snowfall..........Temperature was an even ZERO Celsius/32 F........ I though longingly of being a member of that band in Vermont that cancelled last week with a forecast of 45 F. I put on two undershirts, then my shirt proper....etc......etc........used my remote car starter, and made sure the gloves with the cut off fingers were in my pipebox................ After scraping the windshield, side windows and rear window on the car I headed off to the assembly point for the short (thankfully) parade.........the parking lot between an IGA and a MacDonalds............the supervisor in the MacDonalds didn't know what she was saying when she agreed to letting us tune up inside ! ! We did, briefly, then outside 10 minutes before start..........two quick re-tunes outside......keep a wee bit air going thru your pipes sais the P/m.......keeps them from freezing......hmmmm.....I'm dumping moist air inside, ain't that going to exacerbate the problem ?............Mentally ran thru my bible (COP Vol 2).....nothing I could remember in there about when and how to knock the icicles off one's chanter...........put on our capes...... to cut the wind a wee bit........ After the first set the fingers were almost OK........short parade......only 3 sets...........sounded like all the drones were still turning over as we swung into the war memorial......sun came out.......could see some of the snow on the roof of the Legion starting to drip water.......hmmmm must be at least 33 F.....life just gets better and better.........................our piper did a great job of Lochaber No More........ the standing in rank, as all the wreaths were laid, didn't seem as long this year.................I just thought of the wimps who cancelled due to a forecast of 45 F and overcast...............apparently the average age of WW2 vets is 85.......they were standing there, some without coats, remembering their buddies no longer with us........................I was glad I wasn't a member of that other pipe band............... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 11 Nov 1999 23:23:38 GMT On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:27:22 GMT, "T. Charles" wrote: > >Royce Lerwick wrote in message >news:38277cb7.1786995@news.mn.mediaone.net... >> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:56:44 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" >> wrote: >> >> >I will be playing against the Cops next year! >> >> I heard you've already had a few run-ins with the cops. >> >> Royce > >M >O >N >K >E >Y T - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lance Hallgren" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:39:51 -0800 > City of Washington has been booted up to the 1!!! And all that crashing about and swearing you hear is all the COW kids diving for their instruments to practice! LOL! Congrats folks. A well deserved promotion! Lance - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 11 Nov 1999 18:54:43 -0500 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:51 -0800, "Lance Hallgren" wrote: >> City of Washington has been booted up to the 1!!! > >And all that crashing about and swearing you hear is all the COW kids diving for >their instruments to practice! LOL! Congrats folks. A well deserved promotion! Thanks, No swearing here, just a determined set to the jaw. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 45 degrees !! I wish..... Date: 12 Nov 1999 01:13:49 GMT Good story. It sounds like your band could use some tartan pants (breeks?) and insulated ghilles to march in. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 12 Nov 1999 01:20:28 GMT >And all that crashing about and swearing you hear is all the COW kids diving >for >their instruments to practice! LOL! Congrats folks. A well deserved >promotion! But where's the new grade 1 band going to compete? Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahasse Games/Lighter side Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:55:34 GMT >the pipe majors mace? i thought drum majors carried those thing Just knew, someone had to point that out! It flew apart twice. Bad mace macetainance. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: JOHN MITCHELL (was Velcro! Bag slippage) Date: 11 Nov 1999 16:28:35 -0000 > > But Peter, John is referring to the RECUMBENT > piping posture which he demonstrates on the Oran > Mor website! I would have thought that would have > been obvious. > > Cheers, > > Paul Gretton > Sorry Paul I may not have read the post properly nor have I seen the web site. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 11 Nov 1999 20:45:43 -0500 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:20:58 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > >Brian Counihan wrote in message >> >> Polkemmet, Lothian & Borders Police, Grampian Police & Ravara have >> been demoted to the grade 2. > >Ah, there's fresh meat to be devoured! LOL > >> City of Washington has been booted up to the 1!!! > >As they say, It's lonely at the top, >especially in your neck of the woods Chris! Hopefully we'll get to travel a little more ... new places, new faces ... new beer tents! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Bands near Sudbury Date: 12 Nov 1999 03:58:53 GMT Hi everyone, I have a friend here in Saint John, NB who is an excellent bass drummer who is looking for a band to play with in or around Sudbury Ontario. If you know of any bands in that area who would be interested in him....Please email me privately. Thanks in advance to all who answer, Lori - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 45 degrees !! I wish..... Date: 11 Nov 1999 20:12:59 -0800 Ah, yes, I remember Calgary in February, guys ridding themselves of beer in the snow, running backwards while they were doing it so the didn't freeze their..... IS dnimmo wrote in message news:s2mj61eahsq29@corp.supernews.com... > As I looked out the window at 08:30 AM this morning a light snow was > falling.........the lawn was already white from the overnight > snowfall..........Temperature was an even ZERO Celsius/32 F........ > > I though longingly of being a member of that band in Vermont that cancelled > last week with a forecast of 45 F. > > I put on two undershirts, then my shirt proper....etc......etc........used > my remote car starter, and made sure the gloves with the cut off fingers > were in my pipebox................ > > After scraping the windshield, side windows and rear window on the car I > headed off to the assembly point for the short (thankfully) > parade.........the parking lot between an IGA and a > MacDonalds............the supervisor in the MacDonalds didn't know what she > was saying when she agreed to letting us tune up inside ! ! > > We did, briefly, then outside 10 minutes before start..........two quick > re-tunes outside......keep a wee bit air going thru your pipes sais the > P/m.......keeps them from freezing......hmmmm.....I'm dumping moist air > inside, ain't that going to exacerbate the problem ?............Mentally ran > thru my bible (COP Vol 2).....nothing I could remember in there about when > and how to knock the icicles off one's chanter...........put on our > capes...... to cut the wind a wee bit........ > > After the first set the fingers were almost OK........short parade......only > 3 sets...........sounded like all the drones were still turning over as we > swung into the war memorial......sun came out.......could see some of the > snow on the roof of the Legion starting to drip water.......hmmmm must be at > least 33 F.....life just gets better and better.........................our > piper did a great job of Lochaber No More........ > > the standing in rank, as all the wreaths were laid, didn't seem as long this > year.................I just thought of the wimps who cancelled due to a > forecast of 45 F and overcast...............apparently the average age of > WW2 vets is 85.......they were standing there, some without coats, > remembering their buddies no longer with us........................I was > glad I wasn't a member of that other pipe band............... > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe and Bagpiper Songs Date: 11 Nov 1999 20:10:57 -0800 Bullshit. They've got two books listed - period. If you don't play, you don't really belong here, especially if you're promoting crap. IS GJC [creativemusic.com] wrote in message news:80fr3n$n1$3@q.seanet.com... > > http://creativemusic.com/shop/index.cgi?p=search&asexp=bagpipe > > We have custom tailored this link for bagpipe afficionados. > Click, or cut and paste it into your web browser. You'll find > bagpipe music and bagpipe songs are part of the largest > database of in-stock sheet music and songbooks available, > on the 'net or anywhere else. > > CreativeMusic.com...your sheet music finder! > On the web: http://www.creativemusic.com/shop > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jginmd@aol.com (Jginmd) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Playing with a Banjo Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:40:33 GMT Try Sandy's New Chanter and Cockney Jocks. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 02:51:01 -0800 A great thing here Chris -- thank you! But why post ANY information *BEFORE* the vote? Given this groups constant bickering about brands; materials, etc.; and the sort of loyalty that the adherents in these areas display, we'd never get an accurate vote; nor hear the end of the injustice of it all. Besides, it's not very scientific (seems obvious) to reveal the set-ups BEFORE we vote on which ones sound best. There would be both intentional and unintentional bias. (respectfully: DUH!) Why vote at all before stage 3? We can still discuss the set-ups AFTER. As for info about the RECORDING methods, no problem there. In fact, giving those that didn't come out as well as others another crack (just so that we do not end up actually judging sound recording technique instead of bagpipe tone set-up technique) seems essential. Also, I suggest that the voting take place right here on rmmb; and NOT on a WEB Page. This way, the vote will be self auditing; more interesting; and lead naturally to open discussion and debate, as we are all Already here. Cheers Todd Chris Eyre wrote in message news:80fm6i$me5$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Stage 1: Download the files sent in so far (There may be more on the way - I > hope) > Listen to them for the first time, totally blind. Get a first impression. > > Stage 2: In a few days time I will post up the details of the recording > set-ups ONLY. This gives you a chance to discuss - here on the NG, where we > can all join in and hear and learn from other opinions - the quality of the > sound you hear and how it might been improved by a better recording set-up. > (Personally, I think this could be a really fruitful side of this exercise. > I have learnt a lot already). Obviously the tuning/balance of the bagpipe is > going to come across fairly clearly but your opinion of the tonal quality > needs to be tempered by the fact that the recording set-up may not being > doing the instrument justice. I'm hoping that advice might be given at this > stage that might prompt someone to submit another entry based on the advice > heard that would be an improvement on their first attempt. Or just encourage > someone new to have a go. > > Stage 3: A short time after this, I will post up the details of the BAGPIPE > set-ups. I thought it a good idea to leave this for another short while so > that you can have a chance to judge the sound on its merits and not on what > you think cane or plastic or blackwood, etc. ought to sound like. ie. How > many dyed-in-the-wool cane-lovers are going to pick a bagpipe that is > playing synthetic reeds, I wonder? - or the other way round...? > > Stage 4: Hold a vote (enter Bob, stage right) on the instruments (tonal > quality, tuning) (We can work out the exact format nearer the date.)..... > (Hmmm.... thought...... How about TWO ballots, one BEFORE stage 3 and > another AFTER?) > > Stage 4: When it is clear that there is not going to be any more entries and > the voting is over, I will put up the final Full Information Sheet, > including names of players. > > I hope that answers your queries. Come back to me if you've any more ideas. > > Chris Eyre > > (thoroughly enjoying myself) > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:57:56 GMT Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991111202028.02211.00000191@ng-ck1.aol.com... > >And all that crashing about and swearing you hear is all the COW kids diving > >for > >their instruments to practice! LOL! Congrats folks. A well deserved > >promotion! > > But where's the new grade 1 band going to compete? > > Zu But really, Zu, aren't first-graders a bit young to compete? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:28:34 -0500 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:41:53 -0500, Shawn Husk wrote: >But the truth of the matter is you just can not get TONE >from plastic. Not the tone you can get from cane. That's all >I'm saying here and I'm saying that the guys who know >tone (Iain Macey for example) do know the difference >and they aren't using synthetics (in solo competitions).... >anyone's synthetics. Since Iain is a cane reedmaker, I'd expect he would use his own product! :-) But, as for the guys who know tone not using synthetics, oh ya may want to rethink that. Plenty of top-level players are using synthetics, in competitions ranging from Silver Medal to Gold Medal to Clasp ... mostly Ezee-Drone at this point but other makes there for variety. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:31:34 -0500 One thing I've found interesting in the various clips ... If you have the WinAmp player, there is a wave-form graph (is that the proper term) in the top left of the window, which gives a graphic representation of the sound waves during the clip. The more out-of-tune the drones / chanter, the wilder the fluctuations in this wave ... Very cool to watch as you listen. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Facts about World Championships? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:31:41 -0500 And... some food for thought... Given the dispute over certain Gr. I bands this year, and the petty disgreements that allegedly led to this dispute, isn't it time that the World Championships were a "moving party?" That is to say, isn't it time that it was moved from country to country each year, in view of the fact that piping has become, for want of another description, a world-class "sport." Whaddya think? Bill Burt JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <3828cd11_8@news.newsfeeds.com>... > > wrote in message >news:80abai$nms$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> Trying to find out information about the World Championships event - >history, >> number of bands attending each year, number of visitors to the event, etc >for >> article about our band in the local newspaper. > >Last year there was 239 bands in attendance! > >There's typically over 200 bands each year. > >The crowd size is not what you think it should be, >I would extimate aprox. 10 to 15,000 and that's mostly >band family members. > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Facts about World Championships? Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:35:20 -0500 Food for thought... Bearing in mind that a certain Gr I band (in the opinion of those who were there) was shafted miserably, due to a petty argument among judges (or at least, so the story goes), and, in light of the fact that piping has become, essentially, a world-class sport, isn't it time that the piping community considered making the World Championships a traveling event, in a different country each year? Whaddya think? Bill Burt > >Last year there was 239 bands in attendance! > >There's typically over 200 bands each year. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 12 Nov 1999 07:36:55 -0500 On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:57:27 GMT, "Robert N MacLeod" wrote: >And then there were two...... >Congratulations or condolences... depending on how you look at things. If I am NOT >mistaken that doubles the number of grade one bands in the USA up from one to two? Correct !!! > >The EUSPBA should be very proud, as well as all of the members of the piping community, in >the Eastern United States. The C.O.W. band should be very proud to be recognized by the >RSPBA and to be given the privilege and honor to compete in the Grade One class. Yes, I certainly view it as such. >I view this a great reward for the bands dedication, hard work and >commitment to strive for excellence. It's been a long road ... I've been in the band (with a few breaks) for 20 years ... that's a lot of practice! >As a long time competitor in the Grade One circuit, I welcome you to >the premier grade, and look forward to competing against you in the >up coming years. Yes, it'll be a great honor ... my goal is to put on good performances and establish ourselves as a solid band ... the LA Scots are a fine example to follow in this regard. >Again my congratulations to the C.O.W. on the bands promotion. Thanks! >Sincerely Yours, >Robert N. MacLeod ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:31:26 -0000 So far I have found this quite interesting and agree with all the posts. Please don't publish too much about the set-up, names etc just yet. I think I will load this onto my laptop and take them to an 'Open Competition Judge' for his comments. But where do I find the WinAmp - I have the latest Win98 and no trace on the disc? > If you have the WinAmp player, there is a wave-form graph (is that the > proper term) in the top left of the window, which gives a graphic > representation of the sound waves during the clip. The more > out-of-tune the drones / chanter, the wilder the fluctuations in this > wave ... > > Very cool to watch as you listen. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Swing with Pipes?? Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:23:37 -0500 Check out som of hamish Moore's work for starters- Bee's Knees and "Dancingb on the Bridge " in particular. at dot dot wrote: > From: nathans(at)holly(dot)colostate(dot)edu > Subject: Celtic Swing Music?? > Newsgroups: rec.music.celtic > Organization: > Summary: > Keywords: > > Here's my dilema: The theatre department at my college is hosting a big > swing dance, and I somehow got picked to be in charge of the music mix. > This is great, I have tons of swing of all kinds. However, I'm a huge fan > of Irish / Scottish music, and all my friends know this. They threw down > the gauntlet with "Nate, you can't swing to pipes!" > > I *really* want to prove them wrong, and include at least one irish or > scottish swing song. Pipes are optional but desired, certainly some good > whistles, fiddles, or accordians could handle a smokin' version of some > classic swing song. > > So: Does anybody know of any existing music like that? I might try to > petition a few of the Scottish rock bands on the internet and see if > they'd crank one out for me... > > Thanks for any and all info! > Nate > > -- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Playing with a Banjo Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:29:26 -0500 Bonaparte's Retreat could work for both banjo and bagpipe. Lots of reels and jigs could be well suited as well, but you haven't given us any a idea as to what type of banjo. FWIW I used to work with a banjo player who would play along when I played pipes on a break ( I played tuba in a dixieland band back then. - He played tenor and plectrum banjo, and had no problem playing in E-flat or B-flat mixolydian, though- might not be as comfortable for som 5-string players . Oh, yes, and we did play "dueling banjos a lot- but I played the echo part on tuba. Robbie wrote: > Leslie Thomson wrote in message <3829ffe6@news.arrakis.es>... > >I've been asked to do a duo with a Banjo, any suggestions as to tuning > etc?? > >(and yeah, sure, someone will suggest I play "Banjo Breakdown", come up > with > >a better one ;-) > > Probably easier to get the banjo to tune to you although both bagpipes and > banjos are notoriously difficult to tune. As for a tunes, it will depend on > the skill of the banjoist. Can s/he play fiddle tunes, jigs, hornpipes - you > should be able to find some common ground there. For a novelty item, I'd > take a shot at "Dueling Banjos" - having played (guitar not pipes) with a > banjo for several years, you are bound to get requests for it. > > Robbie - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Harry Potter Date: 12 Nov 1999 10:34:28 -0500 You have only started- she has contracted to write seven in all. We've read the first three in my house. Piping relevence? Could be a rich sourse of tune titles in there. Ccc31807 wrote: > I have just finished "Sorcerer's Stone" and report to you that it is a > wonderful book, full of joy and light. It is NOT a children's book, although > my ten year old son has read them all. It has richness and depth, and is well > worth the two or three hours it will take you to read it. > > No connection with piping, except the tenuous one that J. K. Rowling is > Scottish, but I just wanted to share this with you all. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) home made water trap Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:14:58 -0800 Just thought you all would like to know. Stopped by Home Quarters going-out-of-business sale and picked up 24 cents worth of PVC tubing and a 30 cent cork (US cents.) Wrapped black electrical tape around it and cut it as per Bill Carr's instructions, and shoved it into my bag. Took about 2 minutes. Works like a charm. Easy to take out and pour the water out. I was amazed at the amount of water in the bag after just a few minutes playing. I don't know at this point whether it will do any good, but it certainly doesn't do any harm, and for 60 cents and two minutes work it's worth a try. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 11:59:42 -0500 On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:31:26 -0000, "Peter Anderson" wrote: >So far I have found this quite interesting and agree with all the posts. >Please don't publish too much about the set-up, names etc just yet. I think >I will load this onto my laptop and take them to an 'Open Competition Judge' >for his comments. > >But where do I find the WinAmp - I have the latest Win98 and no trace on the >disc? http://www.winamp.com has a downloadable player. Best of all, it's FREE !!! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 09:55:31 -0800 Chris, good to hear you are having so much fun. By doing so, you are providing us all with hours of listening pleasure. SETUP. Please don't reveal the set up before voting. The vote should be as blind as possible. In fact, it may be instructive to have two rounds of votes, before and after the setup is known. VOTING. I agree with open voting on the ng. Maybe specify a thread name ("vote" maybe) and have three issues: chanters, drones, and whole sound. RATIONALE. The "best" sound will more or less be a matter of opinion, but the "worst" sound might be more objectively founded. It's certianly feasible to critique the set, particularly after it is known, and maybe for a Vernal Diversion have a reprise and vote for the most improved setup. After all, we might as well learn something by doing this. Great job, Chris. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meaning of Flett from Flotta Date: 12 Nov 1999 18:34:05 GMT In article <80hk22$1pn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tully@doim6.monmouth.army.mil wrote: > Does anyone have any information about Flett from Flotta? > What does the title mean? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I would imagine it's aout this guy Flett who came from the town of Flotta, Scotland. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Harry Potter Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:09:09 GMT Interesting note, The Professor shares the same last name of our PM "McGonigal" ! -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 18:56:20 GMT Greetings, I'm thinking one of my comments was not understood - regarding setup information... I agree it would be really interesting to NOT know the setup - before voting. I do think, however, that it would be interesting to know what is out there (in the sound files) - as an example: there are x plastic reed setups, there are y plastic / cane reeds, the are z cane only. etc.. we could then do our own guess as to which sound is which setup.... our own personal match the choices game.. could be fun I think. Also - voting.. I truly do not care, and will leave the call up to Chris - since he is doing all the work. If a confidential (anon) vote is desired, I am willing to help. If you remember John's Great Sound Contest (Feb 99) .. there were some votes that sparked debates, and there were clear advantages (looking back) to the anonymous votes we had..as in no personal attacks followed the votes, since there were no targets to be sighted. (Only one person knew who voted, and for what, and he (me(I?)) didn't tell..) I think there are (will be) people who are willing to vote, but don't want the 'risk' associated with public voting.. I have no problem with that, and I think our (real world) voting systems tend to support this view too. But.. it is all for fun, and it is up to Chris.. (Is he the ToneMaster?) Bob D. (having too much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:20:33 GMT I just downloaded the basic version here: http://winamp.lh.net/ You gotta get this software. It's f'ing brilliant! Bill Carr BTW Can't somebody start saying which entry they like best? Chris Hamilton wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:31:26 -0000, "Peter Anderson" > wrote: > > >So far I have found this quite interesting and agree with all the posts. > >Please don't publish too much about the set-up, names etc just yet. I think > >I will load this onto my laptop and take them to an 'Open Competition Judge' > >for his comments. > > > >But where do I find the WinAmp - I have the latest Win98 and no trace on the > >disc? > > http://www.winamp.com has a downloadable player. > > Best of all, it's FREE !!! > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com > City of Washington Pipe Band > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:33:56 GMT Listening through all the entries I'm finding it difficult to separate the quality of tone from the quality of playing / musicality / expression. I hear well played tunes with just an "ok" tone as well as not so well played tunes with very nice tone. Anyone agree? Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 19:54:56 GMT >SETUP. Please don't reveal the set up before voting. The vote should >be as blind as possible. In fact, it may be instructive to have two >rounds of votes, before and after the setup is known. That makes the most sense, since if the set-up OR the person playing is revealed beforehand, other things besides just tone may come into play in the voting. I can't load some of the files for some reason. Does anyone know of a free winamp player? I too am surprised at the huge differences in the files I have heard. Is that all due to the actual sound, or the computers recording capabilities? I'm hoping someone with a better ear can tell me. Great work Chris! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 20:01:12 GMT >I hear well played tunes with just an "ok" tone as well as not so well played >tunes with very nice tone. > >Anyone agree? > Yep! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lance Hallgren" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 12 Nov 1999 12:14:49 -0800 Thanks Royce! Best giggle I've had in a while. Lance Royce Lerwick wrote in message news:382b4f83.1406684@news.mn.mediaone.net... > On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:27:22 GMT, "T. Charles" > wrote: > > > > >Royce Lerwick wrote in message > >news:38277cb7.1786995@news.mn.mediaone.net... > >> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:56:44 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" > >> wrote: > >> > >> >I will be playing against the Cops next year! > >> > >> I heard you've already had a few run-ins with the cops. > >> > >> Royce > > > >M > >O > >N > >K > >E > >Y > > T > . > C > H > A > R > L > E > S > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 13:42:48 -0800 Chris Eyre wrote > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by self-auditing.... (?) By "self-auditing", I mean: whenever someone wants to verify the vote count, they need only COUNT THEM! It's all right there -- auditing itself. > If what you're asking is that people vote by posting to the NG, then > everyone [would] know who voted and how they voted. Oooohh -- scary (NOT!). That's the beauty of *NOT* giving away what the set-ups are BEFORE the vote. What's the 'big deal' with publicly stating which sound you like? > Would this be an advantage or a > disavantage? Advantage to whom? Sure, some wuss may not vote at all (for instance, fearing he might pick synthetic when he's bad mouthed them for years). But, why get somebody's vote if they're not willing to 'stand by it' and be totally honest, and base it solely on TONE!? If there are a lot of wusses, you can still hold another (secret) ballot in parallel. That said; the caveat is: One can not *truly* discern what is 'great tone' from a bagpipe using a .wav/mp3/etc. file (especially, from what is low bandwidth-optimized equipment). So much of the 'energy' of the Pipe sound is transformed and mutated between mediums. With pipes, ya kinda' gotta BE THERE! So, anyone damaging their reputation by voting for an 'undesirable' set-up, can always claim to have been the victim of electronic trickery. We must keep the overall lack of validity of the experiment fully in mind. Cheers Todd - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 22:35:26 GMT In article <19991112145456.21716.00000381@ng-fb1.aol.com>, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: ... > I can't load some of the files for some reason. Does anyone know of a free > winamp player? Here ya go Bill: http://www.mp3.com/help/ Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 14:26:10 -0800 Bob Dunsire wrote > I'm thinking one of my comments was not understood - regarding setup > information... > I agree it would be really interesting to NOT know the setup - before voting. > I do think, however, that it would be interesting to know what is out there (in > the sound files) - as an example: there are x plastic reed setups, there are y > plastic / cane reeds, the are z cane only. etc.. we could then do our own > guess as to which sound is which setup.... our own personal match the choices > game.. could be fun I think. Bob, I think we all understand that you want to know the composition of the "playing field" and not the individual set ups. But why? You can STILL have fun making your guesses. Just assume the sample has a cross section of set-ups similar to what you might find in the 'real world'. But, why attempt to pigeon-hole the set-ups, as part of the contest? You can make your guesses without 'hints'. Simply try to discern the best Tone -- right? Tell you what, when Chris publishes the set-ups, you can adjust your browser window to only reveal the set-up info. you will then know the composition of the field of set-ups. You can then have your fun without jeopardizing what little scientific credibility this experiment has. > If a confidential (anon) vote is desired, I am willing to help. If you > remember John's Great Sound Contest (Feb 99) .. there were some votes that > sparked debates, and there were clear advantages (looking back) to the > anonymous votes we had..as in no personal attacks followed the votes, since > there were no targets to be sighted. (Only one person knew who voted, and for > what, and he (me(I?)) didn't tell..) If someone is making a pure judgment of tone -- WITHOUT KNOWING the player or set-up -- what is the possible reason for attack? The only thing I can think of (which I address in another post) is that someone with a reputation for liking a certain type of set-up, might actually vote for a different type. SO WHAT?! The sample isn't large enough, nor the method valid enough to REALLY discern Tone quality to a very fine degree -- so, no one 'reputation' is on the line. (Let's not kid ourselves about the level of validity here) > But.. it is all for fun, and it is up to Chris.. (Is he the ToneMaster?) Agreed! Cheers Todd - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) A small favor to ask Date: 12 Nov 1999 21:27:54 GMT Folks of RMMB, I have a small favor to ask of you. Below is an email I received from my cousin concerning a project his dughters class is conducting. If you could all please take a moment of your time and send them a short email, I would greatly appreciate it. Since this is truly an international forum, I tought it would be a good idea to post this here. Thanks! >November 12, 1999 >**Fifth grade e-mail project...Please help!** > >Hello! We are the fifth grade class from Little River >Elementary School in Woodstock, Georgia. We would >like your help with a geography and letter-writing >project. We are trying to see how many e-mails we can >get from locations all over the world. We have maps >in the classroom on which we will keep track of all of >our responses. Please reply to our e-mail address >(lewisclass@yahoo.com) telling us what your name is >and where you are e-mailing us from. Then send out >this e-mail to people you know in different parts of >the country or world and have them reply to us as >well! > >Thanks for your help! >Little River Elementary School >3170 N. Trickum Road >Woodstock, Georgia 30188 -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 12 Nov 1999 23:48:57 GMT I'm calling my take "observations" rather than conclusions. I can't really make any conclusions based on what I heard, but I can make some observations. Observation 1: There's a big variation in the as-recorded balance of chanter to drones. Of the 15 files, 6 have well-audible drones, 5 files have less-audible (or barely audible) drones, and on 4, I couldn't hear the drones appreciably at all. Yeah, it doesn't add up to 15 for some reason. Observation 2: Chanter pitch. Arbitrarily I grouped the chanter sound into "up-pitch" (5 files) and "down-pitch" (8 files). Again, doesn't add up to 15. Observation 3: In most cases where I found a good chanter-to-drones balance, the chanter was down-pitched (5 of 6 files). No real correlation between drone audibility and chanter pitch, where the drones were less- or in-audible. Observation 4: Big range of recording quality, from professional to, er, much less so. Here's my observations on each of the files. Drone audibility (good, barely,not) and Chanter pitch (up or down), as they appeared to me. 1. My Land: Not, up 2. Balmoral: Not, down 3. Kilworth: Good, up 4. Colin's Cattle: Barely, didn't notice- 5. Rowan Tree: Good, down 6. Leprechaun: Barely, up 7. Mairi: Good, down 8. Shoshana: Good, down 9. Rowan Tree: Good, down 10. Balmoral: Barely, up 11. MacGregor: Barely, didn't notice 12. King Louie: Good, down 13. STB: Not, up 14. Hag: Not, down 15. Mairi-: Barely, down Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New reeds Date: 12 Nov 1999 23:55:26 GMT >What's the difference between ridge cut and molded? Am I the only guy that uses this terminology or something? Nobody knows what I'm talking about anymore... Molded = 95% of all chanter reeds made today (Shepherds, MacAllisters, etc) Ridge-cut = Warnocks and Megarity-Ross Ridge-cut reeds have a very steep taper to the lips, and great big shoulders. The support is along the shoulders, so the safe places to shave would be in the middle. Molded reeds get their support from the staple, so the safe place to shave is in non-support areas, ie the corners and shoulders. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meaning of Flett from Flotta Date: 13 Nov 1999 00:06:43 GMT >Does anyone have any information about Flett from Flotta? >What does the title mean? I read somewhere that the Flett family was a family of pilots, and they came from Flotta. It's a Donald MacLeod chune, right? A band I know calls this tune "Flip from Floop" FWIW... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 12 Nov 1999 23:56:36 GMT > But the truth of >the matter is you just can not get TONE from plastic. Malarkey. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 23:55:31 GMT >> winamp player? > >Here ya go Bill: Thanks Pat! Of course 3mins after I posted that, I saw it listed in the next thread LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meaning of Flett from Flotta Date: 13 Nov 1999 02:04:50 GMT The late PM Alex Robertson (Highland House PB, Highland Fusiliers of Canada) claimed that the tune was written for a relative of his. I'll try to find out a few more details this weekend at the gathering. (PPBSO AGM and Highland Ball) Ringo wrote in message news:80hk22$1pn$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Does anyone have any information about Flett from Flotta? > What does the title mean? > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Facts about World Championships? Date: 12 Nov 1999 21:14:26 -0500 Only food for thought, my friend. All I sought were opinions; I never once suggested that it might happen. Reality notwithstanding, you must admit the idea's not a bad one. Bill Burt Robert N MacLeod wrote in message ... >Time to take a reality pill... it ain't going to happen. > >And moving the contest is not going to resolve any issues that YOU or this >certain Gr. I band, may or MAY NOT have had with the adjudication. > >Time to MOVE ON and get over it... I know the "certain GR. I band" has moved >on and are focusing on the next years events. So why don't you. > >Signed tired of the whining.... >Robert N. MacLeod >SFUPB > > > >Bill Burt wrote in message >news:80h1nb$gcp$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net... >> Food for thought... >> Bearing in mind that a certain Gr I band (in the opinion of those who were >> there) was shafted miserably, due to a petty argument among judges (or at >> least, so the story goes), and, in light of the fact that piping has >become, >> essentially, a world-class sport, isn't it time that the piping community >> considered making the World Championships a traveling event, in a >different >> country each year? Whaddya think? >> >> Bill Burt >> > >> >Last year there was 239 bands in attendance! >> > >> >There's typically over 200 bands each year. >> > >> > >> >> > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Ocala! Here we come! Date: 12 Nov 1999 21:18:04 -0500 Okay, ya'll! Are we ready??? I have to think that Dave paid me a visit without my knowing this week! Yesterday, I had to perform major surgery on Angus. Serious bag leak! Got that taken care of and, today, my reed took a dive! I have a back up but it just isn't as nice as my favorite. I hope that the rest that I have given it this afternoon helps! So I'll see all of you tomorrow . .bright and early! My teacher made me promise NO ZINFANDEL before competing . . .she's just no fun at all! I have to get up at 4 a.m. so I'm outta here now! BTW . . .the camouflage kilt looks great! No one will EVER find me! DAVE! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:12:40 GMT On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:55:31 -0800, Ccc31807 wrote: >SETUP. Please don't reveal the set up before voting. The vote should >be as blind as possible. In fact, it may be instructive to have two >rounds of votes, before and after the setup is known. I agree with him. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:14:48 GMT On 12 Nov 1999 18:56:20 GMT, bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) wrote: >If a confidential (anon) vote is desired, I am willing to help. If you >remember John's Great Sound Contest (Feb 99) .. there were some votes that >sparked debates, and there were clear advantages (looking back) to the >anonymous votes we had..as in no personal attacks followed the votes, since >there were no targets to be sighted. (Only one person knew who voted, and for >what, and he (me(I?)) didn't tell..) > The only big problem there was the amount of time it took to get mp# files working/read and then only 20 people actually voted. Not much of a sample, and it wasn't blind. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:17:50 GMT On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:31:26 -0000, "Peter Anderson" wrote: >So far I have found this quite interesting and agree with all the posts. >Please don't publish too much about the set-up, names etc just yet. I think >I will load this onto my laptop and take them to an 'Open Competition Judge' >for his comments. I agree with him. Would also be nice to have all the files on my harddrive over the next few weeks or whatever then listen to them all together, instead of a first wave, then a second wave. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:24:32 GMT On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:57:27 GMT, "Robert N MacLeod" wrote: >Congratulations or condolences... depending on how you look at things. = >If I am NOT mistaken that doubles the number of grade one bands in the = >USA up from one to two?=20 So piping and drumming in the US have just improved 100%. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:37:55 GMT On 12 Nov 1999 23:48:57 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >I'm calling my take "observations" rather than conclusions. I can't really >make any conclusions based on what I heard, but I can make some observations. > >Observation 1: There's a big variation in the as-recorded balance of chanter >to drones. Of the 15 files, 6 have well-audible drones, 5 files have >less-audible (or barely audible) drones, and on 4, I couldn't hear the drones >appreciably at all. Yeah, it doesn't add up to 15 for some reason. Just a point about you drone/chanter balance observations. Those aren't going to be very viable in this format. Unless you're playing them back through about 100 watts per channel with 15" woofers that is, and even then, it's all going to come down to how you personally choose to EQ your playback system. Likewise, the drone/chanter balance is entirely dependent upon the size and acoustics of the room and placement of the mic. You put the mic right in front of the chanter and you won't hear any drones at all. Likewise, you play in a large room the drones drive, and they'll fill it an bury the chanter if your mic is a ways off--except of course, that if you're playing it back on a bass-deficient system like about 99.99% of anything hooked up to a computer, you still won't hear any drones. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ocala! Here we come! Date: 13 Nov 1999 04:09:11 GMT BTW . . .the camouflage kilt looks great! There is a guy in this area that always wears a camo kilt and vest (bullet proof?) . He says he's a McSwartzkopf. His is light grey background with the usual black and brown. He wears a floppy camo hat too. The clan maybe a lot bigger than we think. Its just that we don't see them. Good luck with dem birls. Rojo - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 20:03:02 -0900 Royce Lerwick wrote: > > (Uh, I mean, it's magic.) Yeah, that's pretty much how I had it figured */;^r Michael (jvh) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 13 Nov 1999 03:53:56 GMT On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:06:10 -0600, "jvh" wrote: >I have noticed that the files which have the best tone and tuning do seem to >have a tighter horizontal "fingerprint". Interesting to play with, at any >rate, but I'm not sure what conclusions (if any) can be drawn from studying >the graphical representation. Seems like all sorts of factors could affect >the graph, including quality of microphone, acoustics in the room where the >recording was done, etc. Perhaps someone with more technical audio >experience could clue us in (Royce?). What that's supposed to represent is the range of frequencies present in the waveform, low to high, and the height represents the relative percentage or strength of the freqency range show. Everything affects that, the room and mic acoustics especially, as well as the note being played and how it reacts with the drones and the room/mic etc. When you see rippling or shuffling of those bars it's probably due to the filtering effect of acoustic phase cancellation, meaning when the sound waves bounce around the room they enter the mic at slightly different times, but it's the same exact waveform, so when the peaks and troughts of the direct sound get hit by the delayed sound, it results in cancellation of the signal at specific frequencies, but because, but not necessarily exactly static cancellation, so you hear or see spikes or dips in the frequency spectrum go by on the audio spectrum analyser. The same *sort* of thing happens when you play notes well in tune with the drones, and a "third" tone results or "harmony" which will introduce strength in that frequency range on the analyser. Royce (Uh, I mean, it's magic.) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Ivory Hendersons on Ebay Date: 13 Nov 1999 06:17:37 GMT Anyone looking for a clasic set. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=197797997 I'm not the seller. Just thought I'd pass it on. Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 12 Nov 1999 20:54:28 -0900 Todd wrote: > We must keep the overall lack of validity of the experiment fully > in mind. In order to arrive at meaningful conclusions? This is one of my all time fave quotes from rmmb! Thanks for the laugh, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ocala! Here we come! Date: 13 Nov 1999 10:02:04 GMT >My teacher made me promise NO ZINFANDEL before >competing . . .she's just no fun at all! What a sadist!!! But she's right, stick to Burgundy until after the comp. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 13 Nov 1999 13:27:53 GMT >Monkey/T.Charles >It's still like talking to a monkey with you...you stop the shit,I'll stop >monkeying around...... ;) It's been way too quiet around here lately, but I see the next battle approachin... ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 13 Nov 1999 14:58:55 GMT In article <382cd0c1_5@news.newsfeeds.com>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > In terms of Cane vs Synthetic, the synths are more reliable for > producing a steady sound,... Good post, but I might add: Because, synthetics generally tend to be "not as" susceptible to minute differences in blowing pressure as cane drone reeds tend to be. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A small favor to ask Date: 13 Nov 1999 09:45:01 GMT >>Folks of RMMB, I have a small favor to ask of you. >Hate to rain on the parade here, I'll pee on the parade too! This is an ages old internet hoax. These are often used to build lists for spammers, who let US do it for them. Tell em Chris H., you've been around the internet long enough to see these before. It's slightly possible this ones real, but a mighty slim chance. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A small favor to ask Date: 13 Nov 1999 22:05:43 GMT In article <19991113013153.01174.00000143@ng-cc1.aol.com>, john910@aol.comkillspam (John910) wrote: > Hate to rain on the parade here, but I received the same letter from a friend > of mine..claimed she checked it out and it was true. I wrote a long letter > detailing the history of our county, native american groups here, economy, etc. > It was a nice lesson and letter. I sent it, and lo and behold, the email > address did not exist. My time and effort was wasted. This school is different, > but the letter is EXACTLY the same, word for word. Also, please note that the > school is on 'Trickum' road...Trick 'em???? You decide. > John > Hate to have to tell oyu guys, but I'm going to rain on your little parade of skeptesism here. 1. The person who sent it to me is my cousin and he's tlaking about a project his daughter is involved in. If it was anybody else, I'd be skeptical to. No reason to not trust him. 2. Did a little investigation on mapquest.com to see if the address realy exists. Guess what? It does! Trickum Rd indeed! Follow this link: http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?screen=ia_find&link=ia-map-resul t&uid=u5ub08j5kdi4j3ym:anl6b550t If it doesn't bring up the map, just put in the original address I sent previously. Look before you leap boys, all doesn't seem as it may. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Hevia' Electronic Pipes? Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:03:24 +0100 Actually he makes them himself with a friend, they are still very much in the development stage. He's got a website http://www.versionmidi.com/ but don't bother it's been "under construction" for months. He calls the Gaita Midi (Midi Pipes), no sound of their own, no drones, all electric. At times it gives up on him, he then goes back to his good ole Asturian set of pipes and is brilliant. I'll see if I can get you any more info. -- Leslie The Gaucho Piper George Shears escribió en el mensaje de noticias 382D2476.8594F7A4@nortelnetworks.com... > Does anyone know the make of the electronic pipes used by Hevia (Spanish > (Austurian) piper? > > George Shears > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 13 Nov 1999 23:50:20 GMT >Re: Fabric weights Does someone out there in cyberpipeland know someone in the business who might have a clue as to the real way to figure the weights? I'd love to know.Stu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Velcro! Date: 13 Nov 1999 23:56:38 GMT >Re: Velcro! Our tunics are largely polyester and somewhat slippery. Believing myself smart, I sewed a strip of velcro up the undearm seam from the waistbelt to the armpit. I sewed the matching piece the length of the bag cover, so that the two would meet at a crossing. Well, all is great if you place the bag perfectly the first time you strike in. Otherwise, you are faced with the bag in the wrong (i.e. uncomfortable) place, or let off and restrike. All bad for being judged. I ended up removing the lot and sewing a piece of the waffle rubber material they use on desks under various office machines. The pieces last about five years. Stu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A small favor to ask Date: 14 Nov 1999 00:28:19 GMT >Hate to have to tell oyu guys, but I'm going to rain on your little >parade of skeptesism here. > > 1. The person who sent it to me is my cousin > DOH! Being a pessimist is so easy too. Sorry Brian Most of these even come with phony phone numbers to "verify" their authenticity. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 14 Nov 1999 02:18:25 GMT >I want to see a variety of opinions. (I'm >itching to do the same but I feel I must hang back as I've got insider >information!) > > Hopefully you will eventually give us your opinions Chris, I certainly want to know your opinions on them. There's too many for me to line up in order, but "Leprechaun" is probably my favorite (sounds like Neil Anderson playing) and the other "Hag on the churn" are the ones who sounded best over the internet. I'm afraid I was judging the quality of the recordings more than the actual tone, because a few sounded real bad, and I could barely hear the drones in a few. It was hard to overlook good vs bad playing and concentrate on tone alone. But I vote for Leprechaun and then Hag at the churn. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Sabotage in Ocala! (long!) Date: 13 Nov 1999 22:19:21 -0500 Okay . . .listen up! I now have PROOF that I am being sabotaged! YES! It is photographed. . . . Dave keeping me occupied while SWEET Jim poured water down my drones! As soon as I get this incriminating evidence developed, I will put it on my web page for the whole world to see!!!! NICE, Guys! Have you ever heard the term "Dead man walking"?????? Well, aside from all of the FUN that we had AGAIN . . . the day for me was an absolute disaster but I'm still laughing about it! I could NOT believe this! The ominous numbers . . . the 13th, event 13, and my number, 133, SHOULD have been enough of a warning! Does Maeve listen? Of course not! The Piping Gods were trying to tell me something here! We got to Ocala in plenty of time, everything was going great. I ran into Sandy Keith immediately and he said, "So you decided to do it anyway?" "Of course!" I responded! Off I went to get Angus in shape. He was playing brilliantly, chanter reed was good, all was fine. Took Chris's advice and kept the chanter capped at every opportunity, kept Angus warmed up and was not the least bit nervous. I was having too much fun! I found Sandy again and asked him to be my step-teacher for the day. . . he agreed. He fiddled slightly with Angus and told me I was good to go. Approaching the steward, I smiled and told him I was new at this whole thing, would he walk me through it. What a SWEETHEART! He walked me over to the judge and we all chatted briefly. The first event was my piobaireachd . . my strong suit. . . and the judge was Dave Martin. What a darling man! Out of the blue, Sandy showed up at my side again and Mr. Martin asked if I was one of HIS. "NO!!!!" said Sandy . . . "I'm not one of his .. please don't blame the sins you are about to hear on him!" said I. We laughed, Sandy left and I began. I started and Angus was going great, I felt good, my hands were working despite the cold (68 degrees! . . . sorry David!), and I was off and on a roll, melting into the piobaireachd. Suddenly, I realized that I could not keep my bag full and my drones and chanter were unsteady and fading fast! I was puffing like a race horse and couldn't stay caught up! Then the unthinkable happened! My Li'l Mac let loose! I was REALLY leaning on my bag trying to get things to straighten out and ALL of the air came into my mouth and out my nose!!!!!! SHOCKED, I just stopped and stood there, the bag flat as a pancake and a startled look on my face! Poor Mr. Martin said, "WHAT HAPPENED!?!?!?" I walked over and apologized, pulled the blowstick out and told him that my valve blew out. I fiddled with it, got it working and asked, "Since we are both here, may I please continue for the experience?" Sure. So I picked up where I left off and finished the piob. He called me over and told me that I needed to go buy and Airstream blowstick. Yes, sir. I will do that. As I started away, the steward came up to me, offered me his arm and told me that I had to play my next tune at #5 .. come with me. I must have the demeanor of a lost puppy as everyone took me under their wing and made sure I was okay!!!! The piobaireachd was running late and the 2/4 running early. I had three minutes (I'm beginning to hate that number!). He took me to Ian Swinton and introduced me. I told him I had a valve failure and he asked if it was okay. I told him, "It's fine for the moment." He asked if I could continue. "We'll know in a few minutes, won't we?" . . . laughing the whole time!!!!! I took the platform and got going, got into the march mode (not nice coming from piob in 3 minutes!) and got to the third part when I felt things falling apart AGAIN! It happened at the end, I threw up my hands and just laughed hysterically! I approached the judge and told him I was good to go for the rest of the season because everything that could possibly go wrong did today! He laughed and told me that, at least, I kept my sense of humor and was of a good temperament. I said, No, I'm just an idiot! When he finally got off of the ground from laughing so hard, I left, only to run into Sandy again! He asked how it went, I told him and pulled the blowstick out. He took it and said, "You must be a REALLY wet blower! This is SOAKED!" No, said I, I washed my bag out the other day with dishsoap and water. You would have thought I said I shot the Pope!!!!! Sandy started really ripping into me and all I could do is laugh!!!!! He started to laugh at MY laughing! I said, "SEE?!?!??!? SEE why I need you for a teacher!" Twice more during the day, Mr. Martin came over to see if I had found the Airstream. Yes, I did. We chatted about it, he gave me some tips and I thanked him again. But the best part of the day happened at the end . . . when I picked up my score sheets. Of course the both said, B/D . . . or Bloody Disaster as I prefer. But one said . . . GREAT EFFORT!!!! and the other . . .. GOOD SPORT!!! This meant MORE to me than any score could have said. It told me that I do have the heart and temperament for this competition thing. And, when leaving (smiling my idiot smile as usual), I glanced up just in time to see Sandy Keith coming toward me in passing. Our eyes met, he smiled, winked, reached out and squeezed my hand. I knew that all is well and good. He will set me straight and I will be fine. But I can't say the same for Jim and Dave!!!!! BTW! Congratulations, Dave! Nice job!!!! OH! ZU! I met Pete! What a sweetie! I let him play Angus. You are going a great job with him! It was great how me met, the poor thing! He was looking over some things in one of the tents . . . and I noticed the "If you can't say it . . " shirt! I pulled on his shirt, he turned and I said "WHO ARE YOU?!?!?" LOL!!! Scared the poor boy to death! I made DH turn around with his "I'm married to a piper . . . " shirt. The young fellow said, "My teacher makes those shirts". "Then you are PETE!!!" We spent a lot of time together and really enjoyed the day. Fine young man! And these shirts are the greatest thing for bringing us all together! So much for my first competition! It's all behind me now and there is no place to go but up! But I was doing some nice birls (John!), and feeling good before the disaster. And I feel good about the day! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bands near Sudbury Date: 14 Nov 1999 05:51:56 GMT Ackkkkkk A Comedian!! ;-)) guess you don't know anyone up that way Robbie, but saw an opportunity to get a laugh in! ;-)) Lori Robbie wrote: > John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in message <382B927A.D230D7D4@nbnet.nb.ca>... > >Hi everyone, > >I have a friend here in Saint John, NB who is an excellent bass drummer > >who is looking for a band to play with in or around Sudbury Ontario. If > >you know of any bands in that area who would be interested in > >him... > > Long commute to play bass drum! > > Robbie - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 13 Nov 1999 22:11:28 -0800 The weight of the cloth is based on full-width (54", 56", or 58", depending on the maker) REGARDLESS of the width - so 28" handwoven cloth weight is based on a double-width. 1 yard of 16 oz cloth 28" wide, weighing 8 ounces, is 16 ounce cloth...do the math. Most commercial kilts are made from 12-14 ounce cloth, and are made from 4 yards of double width worsted split and seamed in a pleat - look for it about halfway across the seat, inside. The best made, best quality kilts are made from 17 ounce, handwoven worsted, single width This cloth is usually referred to as 'Strome.' There should be no seam in a pleat in a 'handwoven' kilt. If there is, you've been had... If you want a really well made 7 yard kilt, get a military kilt made from 20 ounce 'Cheviot,' if you can find it. Tartan does not come in 'ell' width. An 'ell' is the length from your elbow to your index fingertip - about 18". IS Steven Akins wrote in message news:IW2X3.184$KU2.1405@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > Bob Cameron wrote in message <38298987.D8E38779@mail.berklee.edu>... > >If I remember correctly, tartan comes in two widths: an ell,(39 inches) and > 54 > >inches. > > If the weight is reckoned by the running yard, then we nwould have two > >different "weights" for cloth of the same density. - one yard being 36x39 > >inches, (1404 sq.inches), the other 36x 54 inches (1944 sq.in). Given the > >above, let's assume weights are per square yard(1296sq inches) Your > sample, > >10.5x70 would be 735 sq. inches. a square yard would be about 1.763 > times > >as large as your sample, so a sq yard of your weave would weigh about 9.68 > >ounces. - roughly a 10 ounce weight. > > > I'm no expert on weaving, but I think I might be able to make a correction > here. Tartan fabric does indeed come in two widths, but these are 54" > (double-width) and 27" (single-width). 16oz. fabric weighs 16oz. per linear > yard, 13oz. weighs 13oz. per linear yard and so on. I have a kilt made from > 8 yards of 16oz. fabric, and it weighs not quite 4 pounds, as it is slightly > less than single-width material in length, therefore, I would assume that > the 16oz. weight is taken from the double-width (54") yardage. Hope this > helps. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 13 Nov 1999 22:12:47 -0900 Zudupiper wrote: > >Just a point about you drone/chanter balance observations. Those > >aren't going to be very viable in this format. Unless you're playing > >them back through about 100 watts per channel with 15" woofers that > >is, and even then, it's all going to come down to how you personally > >choose to EQ your playback > > Huh? > > I don't have anything sophisticated at all. I just downloaded the files into > my computer and playe them through the speakers. > > I kept the volume and balance the same for everything. Maybe it's just my > speakers. Maybe it's my ears. > > Are we supposed to go to the trouble of optimizing the playback of each file? > > I don't think there's much I can say about the tone of any of the samples, at > least the way I heard them. If I had to vote for best tone, I'd only be able > to vote for what I heard, and if I couldn't hear drones on a particular file, I > wouldn't vote for that one. > > Based on that criteria, the only files I'd consider would be 3,5,7,8,9,and 12. > On the others, there's no drone sound or it's faint. > > Zu Zu, Go ahead and download Winamp. It's not a big deal, and it has a built-in equalizer. Just click the EQ button to open the equalizer, and slide the volume controls on the left hand side up to maximize the drones. Most of the files can be optiomized this way to enable you to get a good idea of what the drones sound like. The other advantage of Winamp is that you can download the files to your computer and create playlists which will play all or some of the samples in sequence. It's cool. It's easy. It's got cool blinkinlights. It's not a lot of work at all, and I figure that if someone went to the trouble of recording and submitting a sample, we should probably be willing to put in the small amount of effort required to honestly evaluate their file. Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 14 Nov 1999 09:25:46 GMT I'll just give my vote on the top 6. This is based solely on my own taste and probably has nothing to do with what rally counts as good tone. First Place goes to #12 "March of King Lewis" Just listen to the interaction between the drones and chanter here. Each note pulls out a different overtone or harmonic from the drones. To me, the drones are not just a background tone to the chanter but they are intricate part of the "presence, wholeness" bagpipe sound. This set up is heading down that road. Why......it's almost as good as the pipes on "Tape for the COP Tutor book #1" (seriously!). Chanter is at a lower pitch which appeals to me. Chanter could have been a bit crisper. Seconds place goes to #8 Shoshana's. Ditto as above, only less so. Third place to #11 MacGreggor. Much the same reasons as above. Possibly recorded too close to the mike thus creating a "hard" tone. Forth place to #13 STB. Again, perhaps too close to the mike but if you adjust the equalizer in Winamp you can hear some of same qualities as above. High G a bit out for my taste. Fifth place to #6 Leprechaun. Beautiful chanter but I though the overall tone was a bit hollow. Drones and chanter somewhat detached from each other. Sixth place to #14 Hag at the Churn. Nice tone without the harmonics and over tones. There was something about the chanter that didn't tickle me fancy though. Too sharp? To Zu, Chris and Arthur........Shhhhhhh....... :-) It's all in fun, right? Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ivory Hendersons on Ebay Date: 14 Nov 1999 08:35:03 GMT STOP! STOP! STOP! I posted the wrong link on this. It should have been http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=198937381 My fault...Sorry. Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 1999 GS McLennan Competition results Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:10:15 GMT In article <80lsf1$taf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, lsamuels@my-deja.com wrote: > > > 1999 G. S. McLennan Invitational Piping Competition > > Unofficial results: Do you know who won the "Bagpipe Tune Writing Contest"? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 14 Nov 1999 15:30:07 GMT In article <382C57C4.EBDE4198@aol.com>, Shawn Husk wrote: > oshpiper wrote: ... > > Because, synthetics generally tend to be "not as" susceptible to minute > > differences in blowing pressure as cane drone reeds tend to be. > > > > I have to disagree, cane has always been more stable for me > than any synthetic drone reed I've tried. > > Shawn I won't doubt your experiences. If a synthetic drone reed is set-up properly, I think you may change your mind on this one. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meaning of Flett from Flotta Date: 14 Nov 1999 14:00:59 GMT Learned further that Alex had been PS under Donald MacLeod while in the Seaforth Highlanders. Unable to confirm relationship between Alex and Flett. Ron Bowen wrote in message news:6H3X3.48367$Jp4.72509@news20.bellglobal.com... > The late PM Alex Robertson (Highland House PB, Highland Fusiliers of Canada) > claimed that the tune was written for a relative of his. I'll try to find > out a few more details this weekend at the gathering. (PPBSO AGM and > Highland Ball) > Ringo > wrote in message > news:80hk22$1pn$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Does anyone have any information about Flett from Flotta? > > What does the title mean? > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Hevia' Electronic Pipes? Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:00:00 +0100 Hola Jose, The fact is that you may be right about the URL but it's is not my fault, Hevia in PERSON gave it to me at one of his concerts. The story is that I was there with some friends of mine from a Gibraltar Band, after the concert I managed to talk to him and was very interested about the Band, tha is when HE gave me that URL. But as I see both URLs are equally useless ;-) BTW the concert was at Tivoli World in Benalmádena (where I live); Jose, if you ever come to the Costa del Sol give me a call. Cheers, Leslie > > > He's got a website http://www.versionmidi.com/ > > I'm sorry but I think that that URL is unrelated to Hevia's > bagpipe. The correct one is: > > http://welcome.to/versionmidi > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Playing from winamp Date: 14 Nov 1999 18:42:05 GMT > The >rack display shows tunes 1-15 not listed individually but as a group, they >must be in there somewhere?? > >Any offer gratefully accepted > John, On my player I must go to the weird symbol ( looks like this "<><>" without the quotes) in the upper left hand corner and click on it, the pull down menu offers a "play file" option, I click on that and it automatically found the downloaded files for me, then I dbl clicked on the one I wanted to hear. Hope it helps! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:10:23 GMT >Why not? is it a national secret,If I'm interested in a product and I'm >going to put any kind of money into it I'm going to want to know if anyone >else is using it and any testimonials that may accompany it,good or bad. Because he's listed them about 5 dozen times, and public testimonials are generally a pay-for type thing. You won't hear Burt Reynolds plugging his favorite wigmaker unless he's compensated, why should an open player come on here and say anything, much less an opinion he knows will only generate hostilities. Try private emails, I did before I bought our pipes. >i'm buying a GM product and I ask "did John Smith buy one?" and the answer >is "I can't tell you that ,it's a secret." or "we've sold alot of these but >we can't tell you to whom." I'll walk out the door and but a ford. Why? Do you think Ford will tell you? I mean Ford will only tell you the same thing. Besides, Fords are junks LOL! > I and we >have a right a a consumer to know if "A" product is being sold to reputable >people or even complete strangers. No way! Your saying a company should turn over their customer list to you before you buy. That's not practical or realistic. > If I bought everything that someone said "Trust me,just >buy it...You'll like it." I'd be broke and have alot of crap in my house. Then make sure you have thirty days to look over, play, listen to, and just check out before you send your money. A confident dealer would (two did in fact) offered to send them up front to me just to check out first before sending cash. There's absolutely no risk even if you send money first, a guarantee IS a guarantee from a reputable company. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:20:00 GMT >Myself, I tried to ignore the actual tune played and quality of the playing >and just >focus on the tone. Admittedly easier said than done considering the wide >range of talent in the players. I thought the whole point of this was (and everyone agreed?) the tone, and there'd be no critisizing the quality of the playing? Comments like "Get a new instructor, it's worth the 50$" are very rude, and I thought were not supposed to occur. REF, REF??? We need a referee here! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 14 Nov 1999 19:27:14 GMT >Then make sure you have thirty days to look over, play, listen to, and just >check out before you send your money. A confident dealer would (two did in >fact) offered to s I meant pipes BTW, not reeds. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Results, Angus MacDonald Competition, San Diego Date: 14 Nov 1999 11:30:00 -0800 FULL RESULTS? wrote in message news:80l219$bpu$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Here's the *unofficial* results of the first > Angus MacDonald Competition in San Diego, Nov. 12, 1999: > > Grade 1: > > Piobaireachd: > 1. Decker Forrest, "McDougall's Gathering" > 2. Dr. Ian Grahame, "Lament for the Old Sword" > 3. Larry Samuels, "Scarce of Fishing" > > MSR: > 1. Decker Forrest > 2. Jeff Henderson > 3. Dr. Ian Grahame > > Overall: Decker Forrest > > > ################### > Open > > Piobaireachd: > 1. Ian Whitelaw, "Battle of Auldearn #1" > 2. Glen Thompson, "Lament for Patrick Og MacCrimmon" > > MSR: > 1. Ian Whitelaw > 2. John Partenan > 3. Glen Thompson > > Overall: Ian Whitelaw > > > > ######### > PS: I'll post the GS McLennan results ASAP Sunday morning. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 1999 GS McLennan Competition results Date: 14 Nov 1999 11:30:18 -0800 FULL RESULTS? wrote in message news:80lsf1$taf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > 1999 G. S. McLennan Invitational Piping Competition > > Unofficial results: > > Piobaireachd: > 1. Willie McCallum - The Big Spree > 2. Bill Livingstone - Lament for the Children > 3. Roddy MacLeod - Old Man of the Shells, #1 > > MSR: > 1. Alasdair Gillies > 2. Roddy MacLeod > 3. Willie McCallum > > > Overall: > 1. Willie McCallum > 2. Roddy MacLeod > 3. Alasdair Gillies > > Fine competition; some really lovely music. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Playing from winamp Date: 14 Nov 1999 10:45:53 -0900 JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > I've downloaded WinAmp, got the 15 tunes downloaded, but cannot get them to > play. Press play and nothing, sound is up and working as the demo is fine > and I can play that at will, but it's not what I want to hear!! HELP?? > Please?? > > Thanks > > Slainte > > John B John, In the extreme upper left hand corner of the Winamp player is a little symbol kind of like an angular infinity symbol. Click on that to open the file menu. To play one file at a time, just click on Play File...then select the appropriate file, and away you go. To play files in sequence, open the file menu, then click Playlist Editor. A window opens with a blank black screen area and two buttons at the bottom: Add and Remove. Click the Add button, add one or more files (add more than one by selecting the first and last files of the series while holding down the Shift key, or individual files while holding the Control key). You can also add files to the playlist by opening Windows Explorer to the appropriate folder and clicking and dragging the sound files onto the playlist window. Click Save Playlist As...give the playlist a name - and open the playlist name next time you want to hear the files by clicking Play File...and then selecting the playlist. And Bob's your Uncle. Happy listening Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:25:30 GMT >It really miffs me, >when I sweat for weeks preparing for a comeptition, only to have the judge >comment something to the effect of "nice drones, well balanced pipe, nice >expression............etc." and not WIN! What grade are we talking here? >I have had adjudications that could >fit on the head of a pin! Me too. >So I guess my >point is, *some* judges need to understand that they need to reflect more >fully, and echo on paper, the value of the performances they hear. You're not gonna change any judge's style of writing sheets. Some judges are known for giving a good, comprehensive sheet with both good and bad points noted. Others, like you say, write almost nothing. Others just note the mistakes. Depends on the judge. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:33:03 GMT >I have to disagree, cane has always been more stable for me >than any synthetic drone reed I've tried. Hmmm. When I played cane, I found cane to be more forgiving of slightly unsteady blowing. When I switched to synthetics, it was a tough couple of weeks while I learned to blow to them. They react a little different than cane. For an equivalent strength setup, I found myself blowing one of the drones out when I was playing synthetics, but not when I was playing cane. So for me, I found cane more forgiving. Once my blowing got steadier, the problem was moot and synthetics are fine. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:46:18 GMT Okay, where can I get Winamp? Thanks, Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sabotage in Ocala! (long!) Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:55:21 GMT >But one said . . . GREAT EFFORT!!!! and the other . . .. GOOD SPORT!!! Those are comments one doesn't hear every day! You go, girl! >OH! ZU! I met Pete! What a sweetie! I let him play Angus. You are going a >great job with him! It was great how me met, the poor thing! He was looking >over some things in one of the tents . . . and I noticed the "If you can't >say it . . " shirt! I pulled on his shirt, he turned and I said "WHO ARE >YOU?!?!?" LMAO! >Scared the poor boy to death! I made DH turn around with >his "I'm married to a piper . . . " shirt. The young fellow said, "My >teacher makes those shirts". "Then you are PETE!!!" I'll be getting his side of the story next Sunday at our next lesson. It's VERY cool that you 2 managed to meet! >We spent a lot of time >together and really enjoyed the day. Fine young man! Yeah, he's a good kid. Good sense of humor too! Wonder how many of my secrets you know now....? He was bringing his pipes (the Krons with the Zu reeds in them) to Fla but probably not to the games.... And the ironic thing is, I met you in the first place because Peter was going to move to Fla and needed a teacher there. His folks did, but he stayed here. And the bum gets to meet you before I do! Grrrrrr! Glad your first time's over.... er,well, you know what I mean Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:28:55 GMT >Well, the season's over, but I guess I can dig up my whistle and give the >offended party an indirect free kick... > You get to kick em if they don't do well? Kewl! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Sheets... Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:39:51 GMT >Does >anyone else keep their sheets? > I do, but I don't look back at them after the season's over usually. It's interesting to see the way the comments progressed from early season to late season, as I got better at playing the tunes. It's probably worthwhile to keep them. One of my students is going to start competing next year and I want to show him some of my old sheets....and explain the difference between a winning sheet and a non-winning sheet. It's also instructive to look at the differences in the problem areas noted on a bad grade 4 sheet, a good grade 4 sheet, a bad grade 3 sheet and a good grade 3 sheet. You can draw a lot of conclusions from that. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:30:21 GMT >Okay, where can I get Winamp? > >Thanks, > >Zu At "www.winamp.com" of course! ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Setting the Tone - Observations Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:55:34 GMT Greetings all, I should be answering email.. but noooo, I end up playing the Tone sound files for daughter Alison (ohh.. should I say she is now Pipe Major Alison? yep!).. to see what she hears (huh? you know what I mean.. I hope). I believe that players of higher skill (than I) also have much more finely tuned / knowledgeable ears than mine - and I find their observations to be really interesting.. I have a great deal of fun learing things about sound and piping from my 15 year old daughter (is that cool or what?), and in the spirit ot sharing this fun I write this. No harm is intended... I was not expecting much in the way of observations, because the recording quality, the mics used for recording, and the speakers used for playback all limit the sound reproduction.. but.. having written that, I was surprised at the comments / observations of daughter Alison.. so.. with no further doo: 1) quite good, one of her favorites. e is a bit sharp, chanter sound a bit weak. 2) bottom hand flat, interesting D throw, not too sweet a sound 3) too sharp, really sharp on high notes, unsteady drones 4) good recording, could be sweeter, unsteady drones, dull low hand 5) e too sharp for chanter, chanter sharp overall, weak (easy) reed, needs a poke 6) nice high g, another of her favorites, drones not quite in, really nice chanter 7) drones not in, d,e,f sharp, unbalanced chanter 8) weak sound, peapee (I don't know how to spell that), sharp 9) flat e, sharp high a, g, unbalanced 10) well balanced, another favorite, a band like sound, bit flat, big sound. 11) d,e,b, sharp for chanter, but chanter is flat. nice high a 12) f, g, a sharp, rest of chanter weak 13) d sharp maybe, another favorite, makes other chanters sound flat, a sweet sound 14) strange stuff, can't really tell about chanter 15) high a sharp, d sharp. Her favorites were 1,6,10,13. I hope the comments like peepee, needs a poke and sweet are understood? -peepee - older weak reeds sound like this - poke - from reed manipulation tool, long & tapered (handmade) to change the sound (and strength) of the reed, from a poke to the inside - sweet - the sound she searches for in a solo setup.. you'll know it when you hear it in person. BTW - I am curious as to how many 'ringers' sent in sound files - I look forward to learning more of the details. Bob D. (having too much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 1999 GS McLennan Competition results Date: 14 Nov 1999 20:14:10 -0400 lsamuels@my-deja.com wrote in message <80lsf1$taf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > >1999 G. S. McLennan Invitational Piping Competition > >Unofficial results: >etc....etc....... Are the full results available ? Did Gordon Walker or Jack Lee Participate ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Sheets... Date: 14 Nov 1999 22:31:38 GMT >>Does >>anyone else keep their sheets? >> Well it depends how often I launder them, but I usually get a year or two out of them. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 14 Nov 1999 13:37:04 -0800 Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote in message > Todd wrote: > > We must keep the overall lack of validity of the experiment fully > > in mind. > > In order to arrive at meaningful conclusions? This is one of my all time > fave quotes from rmmb! No! In order to *NOT* arrive at too strong of a conclusion. (But I'm glad you liked it). Cheers Todd - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) High 5 and Reed Pinching Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:33:17 GMT The fun part first. I piped at the Ocean State Marathon like I have the last several years. Very well received, and many runners expressed delight at hearing the pipes (lots of thumbs-ups etc). One guy came running by with arm extended for a high-5, and I obliged him in mid-tune! Funny! Another runner came out of the race long enough to pose with me while her friend (another runner) snapped a photo. Reed pinching: Here's the piping content. This is an atypical gig, in that I'm playing almost continually (continuously) for a little over an hour. I get huge rations of crap from the runnners anytime I stop. Anyhow, it's not really cold, I'd say in the high-40's, into the 50s by the time I finished. I'm playing my plastic pipes. I decided to take a different approach to maintaining my tuning this time. In previous years I've played and played, and gradually my pipes got harder and harder as the chanter reed got flatter and finally drones started shutting off. This time I played long enough to get into pretty good tuning, and then when I noticed the chanter drifting noticeably from the drones (usually accompanied by small chokes), I stopped and pinched the reed a bit. Solved both problems at the same time...eased up the reed so the chokes went away, and restored the brighter pitch. I guess I did this about every 10-15 minutes. Twice I disassembled the drones and blew out the reeds, and emptied the watertrap 3 times I think. I wouldn't necessarily want to do this to a great chanter reed because it probably takes some of the life out of it, but it seemed to work really well this time. Still chuckling about the high five. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 15 Nov 1999 01:34:52 GMT Shawn, my preference is cane, however setting them up properly is as much an art as it is a science. Only so much can be taught, the rest must be learned through experience, patience, and a whole lotta trial and error. Not everybody can do it. With bands, synthetics remove a multitude of variables, making overall set-up much quicker, easier, and the sound much more uniform throughout. Also, the synthetics change less throughout a performance, especially given the swings in playing conditions that we can experience. I have a video of the worlds where NRP warmed up in sunshine and played in a downpour. The drones were solid throughout and I don't think that any were lost along the way. We also played Ross bags, which no doubt helped, however I still don't believe we would have pulled it off playing cane. Great comments by all. Ringo Shawn Husk wrote in message news:382C57C4.EBDE4198@aol.com... > oshpiper wrote: > > > Good post, but I might add: > > Because, synthetics generally tend to be "not as" susceptible to minute > > differences in blowing pressure as cane drone reeds tend to be. > > > > I have to disagree, cane has always been more stable for me > than any synthetic drone reed I've tried. > > Shawn > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 14 Nov 1999 16:30:44 -0900 Zudupiper wrote: > Okay, where can I get Winamp? Zu, Good man yerself! Go to : http://www.winamp.com/ to download the winamp player. Cheers, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 15 Nov 1999 05:00:16 GMT On 14 Nov 1999 00:14:48 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: >Based on that criteria, the only files I'd consider would be 3,5,7,8,9,and 12. >On the others, there's no drone sound or it's faint. And those would be the ones which are actually recorded with the drones way too dominant, and on a normal playback system would walk all over the chanter. If, on your little computer speakers the drones sound quiet, particularly the bass, that means it's probably recorded well. If, on your tinny little speakers the drones sound up-front, it's because the room or mic placement made the drones way too dominant. (Probably.) In short, again, you can't make a judgement about drone/chanter balance based on this test because that's meaningless. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thanks Bill & Chris!! Date: 14 Nov 1999 17:04:41 -0900 JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > I've tried both of those things, neither works, and I've checked temp. > internet files and tunes1-15 are there, so why it cannot find them or bring > them up I have no idea :-( However, I have heard all the tunes :-) > as I downloaded them one at a time as I was quite determined to HEAR them, > if nothing else. I'll have a play around and see what I can find in the > meantime. Any other Ideas gratefully received?? > > Many thanks > > John B. John, Why don't you download the files again to a new folder (i.e. create a folder called tone on your C drive, and download all the files to the new folder)? Perhaps the problem is in trying to access the files from the temp folder. Bear in mind that wherever you put the files, they need to stay there to be accessible to winamp each time it plays the file, and when you clear your temp folder you'll no longer be able to hear the files unless you moved them elsewhere. I downloaded the files and put them on a Zip disc to avoid using precious hard drive resources. Have you tried opening the playlist editor in Winamp and dragging the files from the temp folder onto the playlist window as I suggested? Do that, and then save the playlist using the Save Playlist As command as per my last post. Bear in mind that the playlist file is just that - a list, it doesn't contain the sound files themselves. You have to keep the sound files on your hard drive (or zip drive) to be able to repeatedly access them. Have you tried using the Winamp file menu at all? If this doesn't work, you'll have to download the sound files to another folder and save them there, then proceed with the Winamp playlist editor etc. Okay, here is the blow by blow description: 1. Open Winamp. 2. Click on the symbol in the upper left hand corner of the Winamp player. 3. Select Playlist Editor 4. Open Windows Explorer 5. Open the folder containing your sound files. Make sure they're actually there if you've got them in the temp file. In fact, if you have got them in the temp file, move them to another folder for permanent storage. 6. Click the Winamp box at the bottom of the screen (on the taskbar) so that you can see the playlist editor window and the windows Explorer window. 7. Select all the sound files and drag them on to the Playlist Editor window. Alternatively, you can just open the Playlist Editor window and select all the sound files using the Add button. 8. Select Save Playlist As...and save the playlist using whatever name you like in the same folder a the sound files. 9. At this point, you should just be able to click the play button on the Winamp player. If not, select Play File from the Winamp file menu and browse to the folder containing the playlist and sound files, select the playlist file, and then hit the forward (play) button on the Winamp player. Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 15 Nov 1999 04:48:53 GMT On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:25:46 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >Forth place to #13 STB. Again, perhaps too close to the mike but if you >adjust the equalizer in Winamp you can hear some of same qualities as >above. High G a bit out for my taste. That's something to note. If you have bigger speakers or even headphones, and mind you, headphones are a crap-shoot, but turn the volume up a bit and boost frequencies around 125, 250, and 500 in a slight curve centered on 250, on the samples that seem thin in the drones. (Dry rooms, or small rooms, chanter dominant micing.) On those that seem very boomy in the drone department and thin in the chanter or weak or muddy in the chanter, roll off everything below 60 HZ, pulling 30 and 60 all the way down. That will kill some of the overactive room boost you get from the drones in certain "live" or reverberant rooms, or in an off-axis chanter setup. In short, try to pull the EQ around to make the best balance you can get, and compare each at your own "tweaked" best setting, rather than depend on the sometimes random way it was recorded or played back. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 15 Nov 1999 05:08:51 GMT On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:27:20 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >Ah, but they can always be down graded again, >win again in grade2 and then be re-upgraded once more. > >Different numbers, exact same band! Yes, but that's only what happens to a marginal grade 1 band. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting the Tone: Observations Date: 15 Nov 1999 05:04:56 GMT On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:17:01 -0000, "Chris Eyre" wrote: > The EQ on >Winamp is a great way of counteracting the inadequacy of the recording to >restore to a large extent the original balance. Though in many cases there is no real problem with the recording balance at all, it's just not being played back on a system with a flat response curve, so the system itself inherently rolls off all the drones and plays the chanter very shrill and up-front. Playing with the EQ on Winamp tries to correct as much as possible the bad characteristics of your *playback* unit, more than fix problems with the recording. The only case where it would be mainly fixing the recording, is if in a few cases drones had to be rolled off, because this is *opposite* to the characteristic of your tinny little speakers on the computer. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 15 Nov 1999 08:40:42 GMT >If this little jab helps make this guy aware that >his instructor sucks, then It's worth it. Period. You couldn't possibly tell this by a 30 second clip. If I were to hook up my pipes right now (I'd be arrested, afterall it's 338am...) and record a clip, it would only be as good as my ears could make it, and would in no way reflect on my instructor unless he helped set it up. My point is he's not here, so it would be of my making. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paul draper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Contacts for band in NW London (UK) Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:15:30 -0000 Peter Anderson wrote in message news:942246546.28600.0.nnrp-12.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > > There are a few good bands not far from Heathrow, but for NW London I can > only think of the Waltham Forrest PB, I have no details, but you should be > able to get these from the RSPBA - if not get back to me and I will dig > deeper. > That's strange. Waltham Forest is North East London. -- Paul Draper 0171 369 2754 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paul draper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ScotlandvEngland result Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:17:59 -0000 Chris Eyre wrote in message news:80nfse$i2p$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Pans wrote in message news:80n6iu$a4o$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > | I had had a few refreshments before I posted that prediction.... > > > Didn't you hear about the guy on the news who walked into a Glasgow betting > shop the day before the match and put 2000poundsUK on England to win? > > He collected his winnings OK but he aint walking too good...... > Surely you mean he isn't feeling two grand? -- Paul Draper 0171 369 2754 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:04:46 GMT >My reason for putting #9 last WAS based on tone, there were others that >did't play that well and still got better placings. If I did that at >his stage of the game my instructor would of dropped me plain and >simple. This guy's learning from a hack, Again, you can't possibly tell that by a 30 second clip unless his instructor was there with him helping him to set it up, and tuning his pipes for him. >: Guy goes down to learn pipes from hack for free!(what a deal) guy >stays on to learn all the parade sets, like the rest of the band guy >gets lazy and stops learning, and after 5 years he's an alcoholic. yup >its a long spiraling decent which all too often winds up shooting would >be pipers out the bottom of the porn industry, broken, alcoholic, poor, >and lonely. LOL Or they join a grade2 band... >I hope he understands It was a statement against his >instructor, not him, Well aside from the fact it was never supposed to be posted (no comments about playing abilities was one rule of the contest!!!!!!!!!!) it was a totally misguided opinion and advice. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Liam O'Flynn Album Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:16:45 GMT In a previous article, "Matt Buckley" wrote: > > >Seth wrote in article ><382f5d90.24280609@news.alt.net>... >> >> Can anyone tell me what Liam O'Flynn's first solo album was? >> I can't locate it, but the sleeve of "The Fine Art of Piping" >> says there was one prior. Thanks for any help. >> Seth > > >Liam's first recording - "The Given Note". Most of it is >wonderful. Didn't care for the strathspeys played on UP, >though. > >Matt I think there was at least one before that, probably self titled -- meant to look it up last night -- has April Snow with Catherine Ennis accompanying on organ. Another "solo" album (sort of): the Brendan Voyage (I wouldn't recommend anyone buying that one though, UP are overpowered by orchestra .. even the orchestra overpowers the orchestra ! and no recognizable tunes. I assume this was Shawn Davies 1st attempt -- later ones were better - e.g. Lorient Festival). chris - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Liam O'Flynn Album Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:57:11 -0500 Seth wrote in article <382f5d90.24280609@news.alt.net>... > > Can anyone tell me what Liam O'Flynn's first solo album was? > I can't locate it, but the sleeve of "The Fine Art of Piping" > says there was one prior. Thanks for any help. > Seth Liam's first recording - "The Given Note". Most of it is wonderful. Didn't care for the strathspeys played on UP, though. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 and Reed Pinching Date: 15 Nov 1999 13:58:12 -0400 Ccc31807 wrote in message <11f733ec.057c0de8@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>... >> I'm playing almost continually (continuously) for a little over an >> hour. > >Question: What is the optimum longest average playing time for public >performance? Not for sets or dance tunes or piob. or the like, but at >a gig where you are expected to play for two or three hours, like an >outdoor reception, barbeque, or something similar. > >Based on experience, I would say that this is about sixty minutes >without a break. Is this high, low, or average? Have done a few of these 60 minute plus gigs.........outside the hall, just prior to comvocations as all the graduates and guests arrive........self and friend usually play a set of 2, 3, 4 tunes with 60 to 90 second break then more of same..........half way thru, each of us will do a solo set (give the other a wee break)...........don't see any great need to have drones going non-stop for 60 minutes. A 2 or 3 hour venue, IMHO, would be like most other musicians, 20-30 minutes playing 15-20 minute break and so on.................we did play non-stop for 5 hours as a fundraiser, used entire band playing in piping pairs non-stop thru about 6 sets then next pair struck in during last part of last tune and we faded.....drummers came and went, as only drummers can.........2 bass drummers alternating, but at times we didn't have one............... IMHO, if a piper knows enough tunes to go for 2 or 3 hours non-stop without repetitions, he/she has been playing long enough to know better than accept such a gig ! David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: new sporran site Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:40:57 -0800 yep, they definately have that 'Ren Fairy' look to them - might want to bone up on accurate sporran depictions, rather than trying to reproduce from catalogues. Working cantles might be a plus, here. Leatherwork looks adequate, but the pix are dark and somewhat blurry - or is it just my old eyes? IS Steven Akins wrote in message news:%OUX3.2743$I73.22118@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > Ewan Brown wrote in message <382F0EF0.8A97DC27@bconnex.net>... > >here is a new site for custom hand made sporrans.one of a kind > >originals. > >http://www.bconnex.net/~moonlit/ take a look and let me know > >what you think! cheers!!! > > Well, they do look like what you might expect to see worn by someone dressed > in a feilidh-mor, but then most people do not go about in costumes of that > sort these days. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 15 Nov 1999 09:57:19 -0500 Iain Sherwood wrote: snip > > Tartan does not come in 'ell' width. An 'ell' is the length from your elbow > to your index fingertip - about 18". > > IS The measure you cite is a cubit. Which is half a yard. I shall have to look it up, now, but I believe an "ell" is the same as a Cloth-yard, 39 inches. BTW, Arrows were occasionaly referred to as cloth yards, because they were once of a standard 39" length. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ANNOUNCE: MIDI-fy any musical instrument! [FREE demo at: Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:10:50 -0500 I work at Berklee College of Music. We have roughly 500 Macs hers , and about 12 PC's, none of which are used in any soryt of music production- that's a me too and then some. Tom Walls wrote: > In article , > czempel@ns.net says... > > > >Me too. > > ditto > > -- > Tom Walls > the guy at the Temple of Zeus > http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) AD Duncan Soutar smallpipes Date: 15 Nov 1999 20:27:17 +0000 African blackwood. Any key. Mouth-blown or bellow-blown. Prices from 520 pounds. See our website for other products: http://www.zyworld.com/andrew_hagen/soutar/index.htm Contact me for further information. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 and Reed Pinching Date: 15 Nov 1999 06:48:35 -0800 > I'm playing almost continually (continuously) for a little over an > hour. Question: What is the optimum longest average playing time for public performance? Not for sets or dance tunes or piob. or the like, but at a gig where you are expected to play for two or three hours, like an outdoor reception, barbeque, or something similar. Based on experience, I would say that this is about sixty minutes without a break. Is this high, low, or average? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 15 Nov 1999 17:39:19 GMT For a complete list of re-gradings, go to this link for the RSPBA Lothian & Borders Branch. http://freespace.virgin.net/pipe.r/L+B_Branch_News.htm -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 15 Nov 1999 12:15:14 -0800 How do you know you would not be"Fixing" the sound sample, enhancing what *IS* possibly bad tone in the original? Perhaps all "Doctoring" should be done during recording. That way, at least the deception is based still, on what the PLAYER thinks is good tone. (as if we can be scientific about this) Chris could stipulate the playback software and settings, so that it isn't a mater of doctoring each file individually, to find the best tone. But that's still only one transformation to control for -- we'd still be left with diferrences in compression algorithm, sample rate, frequency range, etc, etc. Let's see if we can map the transformations from medium to medium... Our Tone experiment (whole lot 'o variables here): Pipes > Room (ambient) > Mic > Soundcard > Software (recording) > Software (playback) > Soundcard > Speakers > Room > Ear (listener) In Person: Pipes > Room > Ear Cheers Todd Royce Lerwick > In short, try to pull the EQ around to make the best balance you can > get, and compare each at your own "tweaked" best setting, rather than > depend on the sometimes random way it was recorded or played back. > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: RSPBA re-gradings Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:43:47 -0800 Royce, with only two to choose from in the country, I hardly think that there's enough data to determine a 'marginal Grade I band' in the US... Royce Lerwick wrote in message news:382f94dd.3993411@news.mn.mediaone.net... > On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:27:20 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" > wrote: > > >Ah, but they can always be down graded again, > >win again in grade2 and then be re-upgraded once more. > > > >Different numbers, exact same band! > > Yes, but that's only what happens to a marginal grade 1 band. > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 15 Nov 1999 19:21:05 GMT In article , "Savage Piper" wrote: > Tim To me, it's nobody's business who's playing what. If you want to know if So-and-so is using a product, and, more importantly, to what depth he's using them, simply pick up the phone, or email the party. I get asked all the time, "Is So-and-so really using your reeds?" My reply is, "Call him and ask." I value everyone's privacy, even yours. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Want to learn to play Date: 15 Nov 1999 18:26:38 -0400 johnsteg wrote in message ... >I live in Houston TX and have a burning desire to learn how to play. I have >unwritten songs run through my head... Any one know how I should proceed? > >JS Buy a piano.........it's easier.................................david - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 15 Nov 1999 11:32:38 -0800 right, but you bought a large lot of cloth; typically a small kilt maker who does not stock large amounts of cloth has to pay the higher price for it, which is of course passed on to the customer. The total for incidentals is under $10, unless your kiltmaker uses horsehair canvas for the lining (which they should because of its strength); that takes the material cost up another $2 or so. There still isn't much of a markup relative to retail goods. Hell, I paid over $800 for my regulation doublet because it had to be tailored. That's still cheap compared to the price of a suit in London - $2800 and up. IS Steven Akins wrote in message news:KVYX3.170$9F4.316@newsfeed.slurp.net... > > > > Well, I know that when we ordered 33 yards of Akins tartan for our Clan > in the 16oz, 56" double-width it only costs us about $33.00 per yard after > the customs and shipping were tacked on, which is about half of the usual > $65.00 charged by tartan mongers. You only need 4 yards of the double-width > material (because you split it in half down the middle) which only costs > about $132.00 wholesale for your fabric. The kilt-maker we use, Mrs. Ada > Langley, of "Scotland's Best" charges about $150.00 to build a man's > eight-yard, knife-pleated kilt, so the total investment is actually about > $290.00, counting her thread, the leather straps & buckles, lining material, > etc. So the profit cleared on the markup of material alone on a $450.00 > man's kilt would be around $160.00. > When I bought my first kilt about 10 or 12 years ago, I only paid the > retailer $245.00 for it, just to show you how much inflation has gone up in > the last decade. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: the new Shepherd drone reeds Date: 16 Nov 1999 01:05:49 GMT On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:00:44 -0000, "Malcolm Wheeler" wrote: >They are similar to the mark1 shepherd plastic reeds except probably >more bold and brassy, a sound that may appeal to some pipe bands but will >not appeal to anyone wanting a sound that comes close to cane reeds. I won't >be replacing my set-up. Wow! That was the wrong direction to go! Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tallahassee Games! Date: 16 Nov 1999 00:16:43 GMT >JSLOANPR wrote: > >> >The pleasure was all mine in meeting you in Tallahassee, Maeve. > >I doubt you remember. > >> It was >> >great to be able to share information with you concerning your competition >> >tunes, learning challenges, reed manipulations, etc. > >All of which you can't relate to. > >> And to get to >> >> Dave is way to nice, I got to stir this pot! > >Don't mess with Dave, Jim- he's the only other guy besides me that plays the >bagpipes in the Jacksonville Pipes and Drums. Do you know you are posting to the whole group or are you pissed that I called you on the green dental floss on your 1898 MacDougals or whatever those dinosaurs are. Cheers, Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:48:56 -0800 A good man's kilt should be made from nothing less substantial than > 16oz. cloth, though they are commonly made from 13oz. cloth because a wider > ranger of patterns is stocked in that weight, the material itself is only > minimally cheaper from the manufacturer however, though the retailer may > have a substantial mark-up, the wholesale cost of tartan is usually only 50% > of the retail price. Given that 56" tartan goes for about $65/yard in 13-14oz. weight, an eight yard kilt would have $260 of cloth in it, selling for about $450 finished, leaving only about $200 for labour and profit. Not much when you consider that it takes a good 6-7 hours of stitching to make a kilt...and the markup on the cloth is not that great. Wholesale tartan prices are only about 35% under retail, making the profit margin rather small for custom made goods. IS > > Steven Akins of that Ilk > sjakins@sonet.net > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: the new Shepherd drone reeds Date: 15 Nov 1999 21:23:36 -0800 nobody ever said Bobby was subtle - kind of like a rabid pit bull on crack.... Royce Lerwick wrote in message news:3830ad6a.1213264@news.mn.mediaone.net... > On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:00:44 -0000, "Malcolm Wheeler" > wrote: > > >They are similar to the mark1 shepherd plastic reeds except probably > >more bold and brassy, a sound that may appeal to some pipe bands but will > >not appeal to anyone wanting a sound that comes close to cane reeds. I won't > >be replacing my set-up. > > Wow! That was the wrong direction to go! > > Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Ocala voodoo! Date: 15 Nov 1999 23:34:27 -0500 Okay, You Jacksonville Boys!!! I want to know just what kind of mojo voodoo you are into over there!!!!! This is no longer funny! Let's recapitulate the events in order here. Maeve's first competition on the 13th, event 13, number 133. We take a picture in which JIM is pouring water down Maeve's drones while Dave is keeping her occupied. Picture number??? THIRTEEN! What picture does NOT come back either printed or on the negative?? THIRTEEN! I do NOT have proof of this sabotage!!!! Even Al is a little more than spooked by this! We spent the better half of the afternoon trying to find out what happened to this picture! !!!!!!! It is GONE! No evidence that there was even a negative of this picture on the film. And the film was NOT cut or spliced between 12 and 14 . . . there is just NO number THIRTEEN! I think there is a movie in the making here . . . ."Piping with the Enemy" or something of that nature! Come on, guys! This is getting TOO scary for even ME! I'll turn over the wine recipe if you will tell me how you did this one!!! I do, however, have some great pictures for blackmailing . . . . . . . :) :) :) I scanned them all today and they will be on my web site sooooooooon!!!!! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thow Story for Todd (was: Dealers Fault) Date: 16 Nov 1999 00:09:28 GMT >Jim, I'm surprised, I didn't think that a beginning piper ( twenty years ago ) like you had time >to >spend at wild parties or pubs. You're supposed to be working on "Susan Mac >Leod"--Oh, I forgot, you'e an Irish "piper". Yea, and so are the guys in Field Marshall Montgomery. I hate it when our instructor gets on the news group!! Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Times quote!! Date: 15 Nov 1999 21:28:00 -0800 too bad the poor woman never got laid by a piper. Then she'd know about them agile fingers, too... JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message news:38309a46_2@newsread3.dircon.co.uk... > Just thought I would share this with you all, it's got to be *THE* quote of > the year, I just could not believe my eyes when I read Jasper Gerard's > column, p18, in today's (15/11/99) edition of "The Times" used to be known > as "The London Times" > William Hague, conservative opposition leader, has a chief spokeswoman > called Amanda Platell, she has just written a book, entitled "Scandal" in > which she says, and I quote : - > > "Whoever invented bagpipes was clearly into foreplay. It is all tongues and > teeth, lips and squeezes." > > What a mind she must have to even think of that, WOW!! > Not at all sure that playing them (pipes that is) feels much like foreplay > to me, or at least, not the kind of foreplay I am familiar with :-) :-) :-) > > Comments please? > > Slainte > > John B. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 15 Nov 1999 21:25:42 -0800 yep, the full name of the company is 'David, Naill, & Co. (Bagpipes) Ltd.' partners are David Cowell, Leslie Cowell, and Naill Cowell. father and two sons. Ya, sure, you betcha. look it up. Roger Whitson wrote in message news:3830DCA2.7F0CD365@mnsi.net... > Iain Sherwood wrote: > > > > Are you going to shatter the Easter Bunny myth as well ? > > > > no, but I am - he's a disco dancin', Interior Decoratin', Martha Stewart > > lovin' Friend of Dorothy's.... > > > > and the company you refer to is David, Naill, & Co., Leslie Cowell, owner. > > The company is named after his two sons. > > > > IS > > Where did that come from? My chanter states "D. Naill Co.", not David, Naill & > Co.??? > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Concert in Washington, DC -- Kennedy Center -- COWPB Date: 16 Nov 1999 09:34:35 -0500 A Scottish Christmas Extravaganza! ************************************************************************************* at THE KENNEDY CENTER Concert Hall Sunday, December 26 at 7:30 pm Rock Creek Parkway WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 416-8201 Tickets -- $25/30 Featuring: * Bonnie Rideout (three-time U.S. National Scottish Fiddle Champion) * Maggie Sansone on hammered dulcimer * Al Petteway on guitar * Paddy League on percussion Special Guest: * City Of Washington Pipe Band -- Grade 2 World Pipe Band Champions * U.S./ Scottish folksinger Donnie Macdonald, and * traditional Scottish dancers Fred Demarse, Joan Bys, Robert Mcowen and Jen Schoonover. ************************************************************************************* Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: erae104@aol.com (ERae104) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meaning of Flett from Flotta Date: 16 Nov 1999 15:01:22 GMT Flett is a common name in the Orkney Islands, I don't know about the name Flotta - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Contacts for band in NW London (UK) Date: 16 Nov 1999 17:15:26 -0000 -- Peter Anderson paul draper wrote in message news:80p11k$r5q$1@nclient7-gui.server.ntli.net... > Peter Anderson wrote in message > news:942246546.28600.0.nnrp-12.9e982e21@news.demon.co.uk... > > > > There are a few good bands not far from Heathrow, but for NW London I can > > only think of the Waltham Forrest PB, I have no details, but you should be > > able to get these from the RSPBA - if not get back to me and I will dig > > deeper. > > > That's strange. Waltham Forest is North East London. > Northeast London consists of the postcodes - N1 to N21 & E1 to E18, and The London Borough of Waltham Forest is within the postcodes of E4, E10, E11, E17, E18, i.e Chingford (I was born there), Woodford, Walthamstow, Wanstead, Leyton & Leytonstone. Hope that is clearer now -;) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Want to learn to play Date: 15 Nov 1999 23:37:52 GMT > I have >unwritten songs run through my head... Any one know how I should proceed? Start with a good psychiatric exam to see if those things running around up there can be controlled with drugs first, if that fails then buy a chanter, but keep the shrinks number, because after a year around here you may need his number soon. LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 17 Nov 1999 09:21:04 -0500 ROFL- that's really good you can telll they're cheap imitations of Paki pipes because Sialkot is mispelled- probably Uzbeki knock-offs masquearding as the real thing? NGC273@webtv.net wrote: > Mine says > Made by David, Nail, Co > Silkot - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ocala voodoo! Date: 16 Nov 1999 19:49:31 GMT >Okay, You Jacksonville Boys!!! I want to know just what kind of mojo voodoo Hey, It was a bad day for me to. I left my band jacket slung over the barstool at Bennigan's after downing a few soft drinks. J Higgins Ltd just collected a tidy sum from my slush fund for a replacement. And this is the truth, out of the neiborhood on the way to the games this bold black cat crosses my path. Jim Jax - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Times quote!! Date: 18 Nov 1999 00:43:30 GMT >THIS IS IT........! ! ! > >I need TWO X-L T-shirts with this on the back ! ! > > Bagpipes: Tongues and teeth, lips and squeezes. I shall never again underestimate the popularity of less-than-tasteful slogans. Get me the exact quote if you can, and if about 6 or 8 more folks want a shirt I can have them made.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Auld lang Syne........ Date: 18 Nov 1999 19:00:58 -0400 Scots Guards Vol. 2 Page 113.................................I'm learning it.....only six weeks away........ Couple of months ago there was a thread which addressed fees for playing at the Millenium New Years............some massive amounts discussed................ I'm joining about 40 people at a house party............ and will take my pipes......... What has actually been arranged fee wise?....... (and where ?)......... Is anybody really going to be able to buy their "dream set of pipes" with their Millenium Gig fee ? David - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: advice for a juicy blower Date: 17 Nov 1999 08:47:53 GMT >Had a little mac and it was >hard blowing air into the bag. I replaced the little mac with a homemade >little rubber flapper. Now have much less resistance. We changed o'er to the lil' Mac and noticed no difference. Maybe you should check the flapper on the Mac to see if it's sticking? We got a sticky substance on it and it became hard to blow, but a quick rinse under hot water fixed it up. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: EUSPBA AGM News ???? Date: 19 Nov 1999 16:08:48 GMT In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: > No real controversies that I recall. Not like one of those > microphone-stand-throwing Indian parliament sessions. > What?!! Then how can you possibly call it an AGM? :-) That's certainly nothing like a BAND AGM. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Times quote!! Date: 17 Nov 1999 08:40:42 GMT >I've often wondered if a female piper could play a tune on her lover's >"chanter"...could he name that tune in 10 seconds or less? And if so, would >it >come to him in a flash? Hi there Kieffer! I saw that at the campgrounds at Maxville at 4am one morning... I believe the name of the tune was "ohh babee!" or at least that's what he was yelling. ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Naill chanter help Date: 19 Nov 1999 11:31:14 -0800 the effect is achieved by leaving a hot reamer in the bore. It's common in Naill chanters. "Bentley Wall" wrote in message news:383552BB.7323FE9D@po.cwru.edu... > I have just received a Naill chanter to try out. I have never had one > myself > before, but some of our students in the band have had them. > I did my usual inspection of the new product when it arrived > and I found a series of grooves in the bore about half way up the > chanter and another smaller set of grooves closer to the top > by the high G and high A. The grooves are circular (proceeding > around the inside of the bore) like they were generated by something > while the chanter was being turned. The grooves are spaced about > maybe 1/4" apart and they do not go all the way around the bore > with uniform depth (they are deeper on one side and almost vanish > on the opposite side). I have not played it yet (just got it yesterday) > > but it was tested out for me by a very competent person and he said > it sounded good. > > So, I guess this is what I want to know. Has anyone ever gotten > these grooves in a Naill or any other chanter's bore? I have never > seen that before myself. If this is not normal, as usually bores are > stated to be desirably polished smooth and uniform, then has anyone > that has discovered them in their chanter played it anyway and observed > any sound anomalies as a result? It is quite the investment these days > to buy wooden chanters, particularly ones the band is not using....I > am just inquiring about a model I know nothing about. Any help > will be appreciated greatly. > > Bentley Wall > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Concert in Washington, DC -- Kennedy Center -- COWPB Date: 18 Nov 1999 10:11:25 -0800 should be the 'Scottish Boxing Day Extravaganza' - bring your gloves! Chris Hamilton wrote in message news:uPYzONjIvdbYH7K9NGOKpBUvzCiW@4ax.com... > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:38:33 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL" > wrote: > > > > >Chris Hamilton wrote in > > > >> A Scottish Christmas Extravaganza! > > > >> Sunday, December 26 at 7:30 pm > > > >UMmmmm, Chris Old boy! > > > >Isn't the 26th usually the day after xmas, thus making > >this concert a totally fraudulent event! > > It's in celebration of Christmas 2000, you know how the shopping > season starts so early and all ... > > >Christmas, ba Humbug > > I'm with you man! > > >John > > > >> * Bonnie Rideout (three-time U.S. National Scottish Fiddle Champion) > > > >Say hello to Bonnie for me, we had a great session night at her home in > >Michigan. > > Awesome player, eh? She plays the fiddle like she invented the thing! > I was awestruck by her handiwork at practice last night. > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com > City of Washington Pipe Band > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Fabric weights Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:22:14 -0500 You're right about the standard tartan widths. In regards to the measurement , the ell- Here's what Webster's had to say: ell \Ell\, n. [AS. eln; akin to D. el, elle, G. elle, OHG. elina, Icel. alin, Dan. alen, Sw. aln, Goth. alenia, L. ulna elbow, ell, Gr. ? elbow. Cf. Elbow, Alnage.] A measure for cloth; -- now rarely used. It is of different lengths in different countries; the English ell being 45 inches, the Dutch or Flemish ell 27, the Scotch about 37. Steven Akins wrote: > Bob Cameron wrote in message <38301F4E.EAB479C3@mail.berklee.edu>... > > >The measure you cite is a cubit. Which is half a yard. I shall have to look > it > >up, now, but I believe an "ell" is the same as a Cloth-yard, 39 inches. > BTW, > >Arrows were occasionaly referred to as cloth yards, because they were once > of a > >standard 39" length. > > That's all well and good if you are talking about "Lincoln Green", but > tartan does not come in a 39" width. A hand-loom woven tartan is normally > 27" wide, which is referred to as "single-width" and commercially produced > cloth is normally 54" - 56" wide which is referred to as "double-width > cloth". A good man's kilt should be made from nothing less substantial than > 16oz. cloth, though they are commonly made from 13oz. cloth because a wider > ranger of patterns is stocked in that weight, the material itself is only > minimally cheaper from the manufacturer however, though the retailer may > have a substantial mark-up, the wholesale cost of tartan is usually only 50% > of the retail price. > > Steven Akins of that Ilk > sjakins@sonet.net - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 and Reed Pinching Date: 18 Nov 1999 00:37:31 GMT >Question: What is the optimum longest average playing time for public >performance? 20-30 minutes I think. The marathon was an atypical gig. Usually for weddings,it's 30 mins before (usually 20-25) and 30 mins after (which can run anywhere from 15-40 mins depending on receiving line, etc). >a gig where you are expected to play for two or three hours, I'd probably break it up into 30-minute sets. >Based on experience, I would say that this is about sixty minutes >without a break. Is this high, low, or average? 60 minutes without a break is high. Way high. I think conventional musicians have something like 2, 20 minute sets and a 20 minute break per hour. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alixgunn@aol.com (ALIXGUNN) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Rosette Date: 19 Nov 1999 18:32:51 GMT I remember the City of Wellington PipeBand wearing rosettes - - and they aren't militray. I thought it was just some sort of "Old Country tradition" - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cleaning... Date: 19 Nov 1999 02:31:46 GMT >Just wondering what everyone uses to clean up there pipes...like What do you >use to clean up your nickel/silver mounts??...What do you use to shine up >the wood?? Get the finger prints and oils from your hands off of them... Ask your maker or dealer you bought them from. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: EUSPBA AGM News ???? Date: 19 Nov 1999 18:06:33 GMT In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:08:48 GMT, aberdeen wrote: > > > > >What?!! Then how can you possibly call it an AGM? :-) That's > >certainly nothing like a BAND AGM. > > Wow, remind me never to come to a games in Texas ... > > DRAW pardner ... "GAMES" are fine. Here there is the same careful attention to organizational detail for which Scottish games are reknown the world over. "AGMs" on the other hand, can at times be rather contentious affairs. I don't think this is an isolated Texas phenomonen. With a full year to save up ammunition and sharpen already whetted barbs, they can turn into lively affairs, indeed. Aim is taken, beads are drawn and pot shots often find their marks. I've seen some AGMs here, and heard of others (some even outside our national borders!) which are reminscent of the saloon fights popularized in old western movies. So next games you see in Texas, come on down!! Now, North of the Red River, it's a different story. :-) All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Full Force Date: 18 Nov 1999 20:07:22 -0800 Does anyone have a copy of this tune? Thanks, Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 Photo Date: 19 Nov 1999 01:44:05 GMT >A red tunic???? with four stripes???? Goes nicely with the foliage, doesn't it? P/M of the Beachmont Highlander, No. 1 dress. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review Date: 17 Nov 1999 22:11:20 GMT >I'm still waiting to hear you play Bill. Hope your holding your breath... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 Photo Date: 19 Nov 1999 22:48:09 GMT >Nice photie,Dave As far as I can tell, though- the sandwich board sign is >pasted >in- part of it overlaps the runners hand. You are correct. The sandwich board sign was actually a little further up the road, probably obscured by the runner. It has indeed been manipulated, but probably just for artistic purposes. >The rest of the photo, for those who >doubt it .is probably authentic- the houses are the right style for Rhode >Island, >the runner's bib has Brooks Drug's logo- a local pharmacy chain- so far so >good. I could look up the address...I was right in front of the plaque/ little tiny park that marked where they burned the Gaspee hundreds of years ago. This was in the Pawtuxet section of Cranston. >For the writer who suspected a UK origin, please note the cars and that they >are >driving on the right side of the street. At least in one direction. There was a problem earlier when somebody tried to drive north thru the race lane, and interfered with the front runner a little. >Beachmont Highlander? Zu- are you stealing my joke? > Absolutely! imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! It was either that, or P/M of the Junior Varsity Pipe Band (me plus a couple of students). Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alexander two drone pipes Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:13:57 GMT >A friend that has a second hand music shop has aquired two Alexander two >drone >bagpipes. All that I have seen of them so far is pictures but from the >pictures they look like they are GHBs missing a drone. Probably Irish "warpipes". One bass, one tenor drone. Where are the pipes located? Might be interested if the price is reasonable. I don't know much more about Irish pipes than that, though.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 20 Nov 1999 01:00:19 GMT On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:33:03 -0000, "Chris Eyre" wrote: >Pipe 6: 473 Leprechaun (high A 474) Just for the record I was informed it wasn't Zu who was commenting on the thrilling high A in this tune. In any case, if this reading is anything like accurate, and oddly enough this is the only sample where you get a high A played long and steady enough to measure it well, then it is something about 10 cents sharp of an octave. The really interesting thing about that though, is the way this chanter is set up it's a great illustration of why *I* anyway explain how the high A is actually sounds "truer" if set a bit flat. In this you can clearly hear two tones at least, one we'll call the fundamental, in this solo setup the most prominent, and the second we'll call a crow or "harmonics" though this is really a combination of many tones. The fundamental is clearly sharp. In this chanter setup that's the "up front" tone. The harmonics are a bit flatter and it's these that were likely tuned to the drones, as they're the most active against drone harmonics. If you listen closely you'll hear the crow is pretty much in tune with the drones, the fundamental or "pure" tone is way sharp of them. Now where you or the meter decides the high A is tuned depends on the balance between the "crow" and the "pure" tone. In a solo chanter you sometimes have almost now crow to deal with, and in this case it's about a 50/50 mix from out here, but playing the instrument the pure tone would just vanish and all you'd hear is the "crow" unless you were deliberately listening for the pure tone, and room environment can affect that among other things. In a band you end up with more crow usually, but even if you tune the pure tone an octave apart, what you hear from out here is going to be the crow, which will be flattish, and the pure tone will blend because it's tuned. If you move the crow up to "tuned" then the pure tone doesn't blend anymore, it sticks out over the top, and if a band in particular, it sounds thin and sharp. If you set a band up like this at the start of a damp day it might drop well enough by the time you march on, but if a band went on like this, every high A would be pretty painful, in spite of the beautiful tone and the great tuning of the rest of the chanter. Another thing of note about this chanter is the choice of a slightly wide interval of D and high G. High G in particular can be set to about three points where it sounds good, and this chanter is set at the sharpest interval that still tunes to the drones, which results in a more cheerful interval on that note. The same goes for the D. Probably what they call a "good Army D." Low G now I listen to it is on the high end of the interval as well, in fact misses it a bit sharp or zero beats. This is a very effective solo setup with a good blower and controlled environment where you can hear well. In a band situation, playing on the high end of the G and D intervals, and in this case, actually missing the octave way above on the sharp side, tends to insure a drift with blowing, or falling-into-hole-error, into the sharp zone and causing pain. Anyway, this is a very good solo setup and it records very well, but it's sort-of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you mix band and solo pipes like this because a band setup is invariably not as pretty all naked by itself compared to a solo setup. On the other hand, there really isn't anything that sounds lamer than a band set up by a lot of solo pipers. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 20 Nov 1999 12:46:43 +0000 On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Ross Horsburgh wrote: > I rest my case.... > > > From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) > > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > > Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bagpipe > > Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:31:42 GMT > > Subject: Re: Niall Bagpipes? > > > >> Does anyone really care about pedantic issues such as the one below or the > >> rosette fiasco > > > > I found it mildly interesting. Certainly more so than some of the flame wars > > that rage from time to time. > > > >> does anyone actually play the bagpipes here??? > > > > Only Ringo, Chris H., Chris E., Mitch, Kirkwood and a few of Kieffers > > personalitys actually play bagpipes, the rest of us are just trekkies who saw > > Braveheart too many times. > > > >> We should be here to play music > > > > It's hard to type and play at the same time. Particularly for people like yourself, who can neither play anything worth listening to, nor write anything worth reading. - ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Naill chanter help Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:05:58 GMT >Some people have an extremely interesting life..... inspecting the internal >construction of Naill pipe chanters. One makes reeds, the other pipes and chanters, they both make a living by understanding the design of these things. Is that so hard to understand? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:09:38 GMT >I rest my case.... > Yeah but your still reading aren't you? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers Ball on Long Island, NY USA Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:06:33 GMT >I didn't know pipers had balls. > What do ya think were hiding unner our kilts? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes? Date: 20 Nov 1999 12:59:42 GMT >Particularly for people like yourself, Oops! You just proved yourself a liar! You say you filtered me out, but yet you continue to read everything I write. As a matter-of-fact you seem to only read and respond to my posts, almost to the exclusion of everyone else. I'm glad you enjoy my posts so much. Now I'll set my filter. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tune: Father John Macmillan of Barra Date: 21 Nov 1999 06:38:42 GMT >I should have tried it myself, first. I just tried and got >"HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found " Worked fine for me... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 21 Nov 1999 06:44:43 GMT >Todd wrote: > >> I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each >> sample; and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est >> pas?). >> >> In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to >> audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly >> drone tone. [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)] >> > >Personally, I don't think we can really look at this whole deal as a contest >- >there's just too many variables. It does make it easier to comment >intelligently on the tone/tuning if you give everyone the benefit of the >doubt >and tweak the sound files to make them sound as good as possible. > >It's also a hell of a lot easier to listen to. > >FWIW, > >Michael I'll side with Todd here, if we tweak the files were hearing what is most pleaseing to OUR ear, and everyone is listening to something different. It just makes no sense to me to tweak or change these files to be more pleaseing to our ears, especially when were supposed to be judging how well THEY set up their pipes, not how good we can make it sound with an equalizer. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) One heck of a deal on drums!!! Date: 20 Nov 1999 22:19:59 -0700 I thought I would pass this on to you guys and you can pass it on to the drummers in your bands. It could save your quarter master some $$$ Don SANDY ST JAMES Celebrates the 2000 MILLENIUM with a money saving offer...HTS-700 w/KEY....$475...12x16 PVC case..REG $50..your cost ..$1.00...YOUR TOTAL COST..$476.00...FIRST FIVE BAND ORDERS ( MIN>4-HTS 700) WILL RECEIVE A SUPER BONUS ..A FREE...LIME NOTATION SOFTWARE to assist in writing DRUM SCORES>>>>HURRY ...THIS OFFER ENDS DEC>.10<1999.........CALL ..201 385-8991...or FAX 24 hr..201 439-0623........thank you......you can edit any part..............184 DEPEW ST DUMONT..NJ07628............. Best regards, Sandy St. James -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:27:14 GMT Did you have something to do with this John? ;?)~ (Reuters, Mississauga, Ontario) A man cleaning a bird feeder on his balcony of his condominium apartment in this Toronto suburb slipped and fell 23 stories to his death, police said Monday. Stefan Macko, 55, was standing on a wheeled chair Sunday when the accident occurred, said Inspector D'Arcy Honer of the Peel regional police. "It appears the chair moved and he went over the balcony," Honer said. "It's one of those freak accidents. No foul play is suspected." Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:37:11 GMT In article <817cei$nt2$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Chris Eyre" wrote: > > But however sophisticated the equipment is, > what really matters is how discerning we are about what we hear. Disregard > the atmospherics, the bad recording quality, the distortion from a poor > recording.. etc. Whenever you click on a tune file, think! What I am > listening for here? The answer = TONE , ie. 1) accuracy of tuning 2) > quality of sound 3) steady blowing. > I've noticed that those with better recording techniques only make the ability to discern easier. With the good recordings, EVERYTHING comes though better. I can hear the good aspects along with the not-so-good much more clearly; they make judging the tonal setup a lot easier IMHO. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jfmc" Subject: (bagpipe) James J. Coyne Memorial Juvenile Pipe Band Date: 21 Nov 1999 09:09:02 -0500 For those living in the NY/NJ Metro Area: Seamus Coyne has recently started a juvenile pipe band two months ago, it currently has 15 members and is looking for new members. The goal of the band is to encourage the next generation of pipers and drummers and to attend the World's in Glasgow in 2001. If you have anyone who would like to join the band between the ages of 7-18 please contact Beth Colleary at 914-834-5269 or Seamus at 914-633-5297 practices/lessons are on Sunday afternoon at Iona College from 4-6pm. A benefit to raise money for the band is being held on Sunday December 5 from 4-7pm at Rory Dolan's in Yonkers 914-776-2946. A $25 fee includes a lavish buffet as well as a solo concert by Seamus Coyne and Viv Stapleton(East Coast Drumming Champion). - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 21 Nov 1999 17:33:12 GMT >Personaly, I have been playing the ClanRye plastic reed since 1993. Clanrye's >are nice and loud. I wouldnt play anything else, The outlaw highlander. Hhhmmm. I have one of these reeds, if anyone wants it. N/C. Someone passed it along to me. Jim Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Battle of the Somme Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:31:32 GMT "Battle of the Somme" in Vol 1, Scot's Guards, tune no. 391, page no. 222: Second part, second bar, second beat: This beat is short. Is it an 8th note followed by a 4th note? a 16th note followed by a dotted 8th note tied to an 8th note, or is there some note missing? TIA - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leslie Thomson" Subject: (bagpipe) RE: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:53:17 +0100 Me too -- Leslie The Gaucho Piper Piobre escribió en el mensaje de noticias 19991120130935.05615.00000330@ng-cl1.aol.com... > HI: I would very much like to by the full five book set of Binneas is > Boreraig. If someone has a set that they do not want to part with, I will > gladly pay for colour xerox reproductions. Email me directly. Cheers PB - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........ Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:06:06 GMT >Don't want to be in Times Square when the pipe bomb or >chemical bomb or the like explodes !!!!! You making plans Baboo? LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:35:46 GMT Maybe someone at http://web.mountain.net/~unicorn/ can help you. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:19:15 GMT >If you are only tweaking the files to make them sound more pleasing to your >ear, that's OK, if all you want to do is enjoy listening to them. When I want listening pleasure I pop in a CD or tape, but I went at these as a judging type situation. But a couple were enjoyable to listen to without tweaking. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Grips (warning: piping content) Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:17:49 GMT I've been wondering this for a while, and since things seem to be slow around here, I'll ask. Grips/ throws. B-to-C grips are very common,also C-to-E sometimes and high hand grips (like A-to-A). Lower notes to higher notes usually, or else the same note. How come we don't see grips from a higher note to a lower note very much? And why do we have to use a B grip when we're playing on the bottom hand? Like C-to-A for example. And why do we never see B grips any other time? Why do the rules change for D taorluaths (and crunlaths), making us play the B note instead of D? Would playing a D (as usual) interrupt the flow or confuse things? Maybe somebody can give us a little grip theory here. I hope so, anyway.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Throws (warning: piping content) Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:26:59 GMT I'm talking piob here, and specifically talking about the little "tr" that's written above the melody note. B with a "tr" means play a cut B, then a grip to B. Pretty self explanatory, as is the throw on C. D throw too, except there's no initial D. E throw, or edre or aidree, same principle, different notes. Cut E, then a loA-F-loA grip kind of thing, then E again. F throw, ditto, except first an F, then E-hiG-E grippy thing, then F again. G throw I haven't actually played but it looks ferocious. How come the hiA "hit" is called a throw? WHy isn't the edre just written as E with a "tr" above it? And while we're on the subject (back to light music again): say you're on D and you want to play a D throw. Is that okay, or do you have to play it with a B note instead? I've never seen this written in any standard publication.\ Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:46:08 GMT >If it bothered you so >much, you should have went over and touched up his tuning. BEFORE he was seen >by the 'uneducated public'. Give the man a little help, its not just polite. >If >you are a more experienced player, it is your RESPOSIBILITY. Hmmmm..... I'm wondering about that. That's going to be an awkward thing to do if he's a complete stranger. Would you just go up to him and start tuning his drones willy nilly? Although it's an amusing mental picture, it's probably best to first say hello. Then there's the chance that he's got the typical 2-year piper ego/attitude "I know it all" and to him he sounds fine because he doesn't know any better. Food for thought, at any rate. What would I do? What would you do? How would you go about it tactfully? Playing devil's advocate, let's say he's handed you his pipes, and you find that they're in disrepair. You didn't bring your tool kit, and he hasn't heard of a tool kit, and he's leaking air like a sieve and nobody's got teflon tape let alone hemp. "Sorry, guy, not much I can do with a setup like that...go play your gig now." Hmmmm. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:27:11 GMT >Now, as for the tuning of the 'offensive' Piper which started all this. >Personaly, out of tune & balance Pipes give me a migraine headache. I could >be >very rude about this issue, and rightly so, but I am not. If it bothered you >so >much, you should have went over and touched up his tuning. Re-read his post. He didn't have a chance. The guy grabbed them from his car and immediately went into playing. He never had a chance to even approach him, nevermind offer to help. >Perhaps, you did not hear the man tuning up, and having >trouble beforehand.... that is the only extenuating circumstance that can >excuse yourself with. Read above... >Publicly announcing, and humiliating the Piper, however, >is not excusable. He didn't do any of those things. Where did you get that from? Unless of course YOUR him! Posting a story with no names or locations is hardly humiliating anyone. And what about all the legitamite pipers who get a black eye because of his questionable playing? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:16:05 GMT >Personaly, I have been playing the ClanRye plastic reed since 1993. Clanrye's >are nice and loud. I wouldnt play anything else, or subject myself to the >difficulty, and sadomasochism of cane reeds. >Plastic Drone reeds on the other hand, are too bloody loud, and horrible >sounding. I will stick to Ross Champions. > >Rodger I'll bet you sound great too! (sarcasm) Let me venture out on a limb here... Your self taught, and have never played in a band or competed, right? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 21 Nov 1999 15:31:41 -0800 Zudupiper wrote: > Then there's the chance that he's got the typical 2-year piper ego/attitude "I > know it all" and to him he sounds fine because he doesn't know any better. > > Zu Zu, I'm surprised with you, making a generalization like that! I'm coming up on my two year pipes learning anniversary and I know that I've got a LONG WAY to go yet. I figure I've got a year or two before I can get a absolutely perfect tuning. I can get in the ballpark now so it sounds reasonable, but only after a bit of work. I don't think my attitude is atypical. I just think the "know-it-alls" stick out so people remember them. I think you're probably more accurate describing TEENAGE 2 year piper egos . . . how's that for a generalization? ;-) Andrew -- Andrew & Kristen Lenz alenz@alumni.cse.ucsc.edu Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 22 Nov 1999 03:00:24 GMT On 22 Nov 1999 01:09:49 GMT, iktpa@aol.com (IKTPA) wrote: >Here...here John! >Christ Sake man, we bullshit each other on the newsgroup, but the death of a >fellow human being...that's another issue. Maybe should be posted to >"alt.phiolsophy.zen" or "alt.music.rage-machine" or some other >angst.music.group? >My very sincere condolences to the family of the deciest. >Keir Todd >Mt Pleasant Michigan USA The Peel police was mentioned in the article, that's that connection. John has no status or right to exempt himself from any degree or derision or mockery on this NG. The article is about 99.99% certain to be completely bogus. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 02:58:06 GMT On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:21:16 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote: >Todd wrote: > >> I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each >> sample; and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est >> pas?). >> >> In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to >> audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly >> drone tone. [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)] >> > >Personally, I don't think we can really look at this whole deal as a contest - >there's just too many variables. It does make it easier to comment >intelligently on the tone/tuning if you give everyone the benefit of the doubt >and tweak the sound files to make them sound as good as possible. > >It's also a hell of a lot easier to listen to. > >FWIW, > >Michael > >p.s. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's recording setup almost as much >as I am looking forward to seeing how their pipes are set up. This is just bordering on ignorance here. There isn't any "tweaking" of sound files being discussed, at least not by me. I'm talking about one knob on a piece of playback hardware, and perhaps more pertinently the overal question of *volume* between drone and chanter. It's not complicated. You have a system randomly set to reproduce bass tones and some random level that may or may not even sound good to you on anything. The problem has to do with pipes, and making a guess at how loud the drones really were compared to the chanter, when apart form where the mic was placed, the playback of what *was* recorded, can be almost entirely altered with *one* knob. Or with the set of speakers or headphones you're using. The fact is, they spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars debating just how to EQ those CD's you pop into your system trying to guess how it's going to come out on the "average" playback setup, and the fact is, if you played that stuff back on a 2" speaker it wouldn't have any bass no matter what you did to it. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wm. Hinmon" Subject: (bagpipe) WTD:Leather pipe case Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:58:05 -0500 Hi, I'm looking to buy a new or used hard (real) leather pipe case. As long as it still has a handle I'd be interested. If anyone knows who may still retails this type of case I would be grateful to know the name. Thanks, Bill - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Battle of the Somme Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:56:22 -0500 Hi... In other settings the two note sequence is HiG grace to an eighth note and then a quarter... My guess is that the "author/arranger" of this setting wanted the typical Scottish snap to HiA and you should feel free to fill out the "beat" with a tie to another eighth note (I rather like it this way..you could say that the eighth/quarter sounds a bit heavy.). Of course if this is being played by a band...all should agree on the same interpretation. my 2¢ Cheers. It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Ccc31807 wrote: > "Battle of the Somme" in Vol 1, Scot's Guards, tune no. 391, page no. 222: > > Second part, second bar, second beat: > > This beat is short. Is it an 8th note followed by a 4th note? a 16th note > followed by a dotted 8th note tied to an 8th note, or is there some note > missing? > > TIA - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 02:49:44 GMT On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:16:51 -0800, "Todd" wrote: >I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each >sample; and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est >pas?). You must deliberately be missing the point. You can't control how it's going to sound. The best you can do is make some average bass/treble eq decsion and listen to the basic tone. You can't make any determination concerning the volume of the drones v chanter. You're making a myopic argument against yourself. You can be stuck with whatever you're sent either way, so you can just ignorantly declare the ones with the loudest drones to be "balanced" and the best, or you can make an intelligent approach to restoring some general eq curve that approximates an average room-with-pipes-in-it scenario. > >In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to >audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly >drone tone. [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)] No, because the default system sucks. If the default system was theatre quality, then the boomy bass samples would sound muddy and annoying. The default system is a two inch speaker set from Radio Shack with a low end curve that looks like the road to Parley's Summit in Utah. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 22 Nov 1999 06:34:42 GMT >Playing devil's advocate, let's say he's handed you his pipes, and you find >that they're in disrepair. You didn't bring your tool kit, and he hasn't >heard >of a tool kit, and he's leaking air like a sieve and nobody's got teflon tape >let alone hemp. > >"Sorry, guy, not much I can do with a setup like that...go play your gig >now." > >Hmmmm. > Above is the most likely senario. No good deed will go unpunished. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:43:27 GMT Thanks Chris. I for one have been eagerly looking forward to the update. It's appreciated. A couple of comments: I really like #20 Rhu Vaternish. Very pleasant sounding setup and nice to listen to. Isn't that what it's about? I hear a bagpipe that sounds good...musical and it makes me want to listen to it. I couldn't say whether this or that note was in our out of tune but It just sounds good. I'm keen to find out how this was recorded. May I comment on the (apparent wavering tone on Siege of Delhi? Is this a result of the recording technique or is it unsteadiness in the blowing? I'd like to ask the group which version of Green Hills they preferred. Noting to do with tone this time......I'm asking for opinions on musical interpretation. Both sounded pretty good but both were played very differently. Which do you prefer? Cheers Bill PS wouldn't it be great if one of the top players who monitor this ng would come forward with his/her comments? Hint..Hint.. Jim...Iain...Whilly...Ed... Christopher Eyre wrote: > =================== > SETTING THE TONE > =================== > > The second wave (ugh...) of tunes is now up and ready for your earnest eager > ears. > There are 8 tunes in this selection, a couple of improvements on previous > submissions and 6 new ones. As I did with the first batch, the 8 new tunes > are also available as a single Zip file. > > If you haven't been here before, they are all waiting for you here: > > http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/tunes/viewing.html > > Chris Eyre - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTD:Leather pipe case Date: 22 Nov 1999 11:26:55 GMT Wm. Hinmon wrote in message news:81a4bt$4n24$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com... > Hi, > I'm looking to buy a new or used hard (real) leather pipe > case. As long as it still has a handle I'd be interested. > If anyone knows who may still retails this type of case > I would be grateful to know the name. > > Thanks, Bill I wanted to obtain something similar, so I started looking at "vintage" suitcases on eBay. I've had some luck, but not as much as I'd hoped. I'm interested too. Anybody that has a lead please clue me in as well. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:09:36 GMT >This is just bordering on ignorance here. There isn't any "tweaking" >of sound files being discussed, at least not by me. I'm talking about >one knob on a piece of playback hardware, and perhaps more pertinently >the overal question of *volume* between drone and chanter. It's not >complicated. You have a system randomly set to reproduce bass tones >and some random level that may or may not even sound good to you on >anything. The problem has to do with pipes, and making a guess at how >loud the drones really were compared to the chanter, when apart form >where the mic was placed, the playback of what *was* recorded, can be >almost entirely altered with *one* knob. Or with the set of speakers >or headphones you're using. > >The fact is, they spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars >debating just how to EQ those CD's you pop into your system trying to >guess how it's going to come out on the "average" playback setup, and >the fact is, if you played that stuff back on a 2" speaker it wouldn't >have any bass no matter what you did to it. > >Royce You know after reading Chris E's private email, and now reading your reply to this guy I think I understand what you guys are trying to point out. Once again I've learned something from here, and changed my thoughts on the subject! Nice going guys! (I'm off to adjust some knobs on my winamp now LOL) Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........ Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:13:01 GMT >The latest news is that the taxi firms are all getting on the band wagon >now. Some around here are going to be charging 25 pounds UK before they even >turn on the meter. thats pathetic Chris! Around here they offer free rides home to keep the drunks from driving. It seems that these high fees may just cause a few idiots to get behind the wheel and attempt to drive themselves home. God help anyone in their path. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:24:09 GMT >"you never hear about the ninth amendment. Ever wonder why?" > Dr. Jack Kevorkian You are an absolute hippocrite! Read your own sig file.... That is in VERY poor taste! Don't bother trying to justify it, there is none. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:22:21 GMT >bill, get some some help man, Sorry guys, I'm afraid your all seriously humor challenged! This was an article sent to me from a joke list whose headlines read "Stupid people"... after reading your responses I think I need to forward your comments for the next issue. John: You of all people should be the last person here to be exempt from this sort of thing after your questionable behaviour here o'er the years. Seems you dish it out, but not take it. I will however refrain from useing your name in any future posts if thats your will. And of course it was a bogus article (hopefully) and if you guys can't see that you surely are in need of help yourselves! Paki jokes anyone???????? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:28:37 GMT >The Peel police was mentioned in the article, that's that connection. >John has no status or right to exempt himself from any degree or >derision or mockery on this NG. > >The article is about 99.99% certain to be completely bogus. > I too am shocked at Johns response after his behaviour here o'er the years, and I am also pretty sure it's a bogus article or I wouldn't have relayed it. It was from a "JOKE" list, I think a few of you need to look up the word "joke"... The headline of "off topic humor" should clue you guys in, or it would if you "had a clue". Once again John, Royce is right and your eating dust. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 22 Nov 1999 12:29:27 GMT >My very sincere condolences to the family of the deciest. >Keir Todd All that wisdom from a guy who can't spell "deceased"... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Throws (warning: piping content) Date: 22 Nov 1999 04:48:19 -0800 Zudupiper wrote > How come the hiA "hit" is called a throw? Maybe because the grace note comes from 'below' the target note (as in the D & Hi-G movements). Cheers Todd Muscat - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 15:06:02 GMT In article <81a4an$8e6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Christopher Eyre" wrote: > =================== > SETTING THE TONE > =================== Try the following to the "Site of Sound", as there may be an error, i.e. "tunes" vs. "tone" in the html code. All the best, JIm > > The second wave (ugh...) of tunes is now up and ready for your earnest eager > ears. > There are 8 tunes in this selection, a couple of improvements on previous > submissions and 6 new ones. As I did with the first batch, the 8 new tunes > are also available as a single Zip file. > > If you haven't been here before, they are all waiting for you here: > > http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/tunes/viewing.html > > Chris Eyre > > -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Naill chanter help Date: 22 Nov 1999 09:09:58 -0500 I'm glad we had some intelligent experiences voiced on this subject, but I have an update which makes me look like an idiot, but that's OK, I've had to deal with that all my life... My deep grooves from the Naill chanter turned out to be optical artifacts. The short story is: (and the NG sighs in relief): When I looked at the chanter first I viewed it in a room of the house where I never work with my pipes, the dining room. I usually work in the basement. Why does this matter? The basement has large, 4-bulb, 4 foot fluorescent tube lighting, the dining room has 5 unit, extremely intense incandescent lights, separated by a gap of about a foot from each and from the fixture center. When I tried to show someone the grooves (in the basement) I couldn't find them. I went back upstairs to what I thought was merely a brighter light and there they were again! But when I moved the chanter slightly, the grooves moved and then I knew I was an idiot. I put my finger on one of the holes to confirm and sure enough the 'groove' at that spot went away. It turns out that the chandelier style light with the big Watt bulbs was casting shadows to the left and to the right of each hole making it look like it had dark grooves up and down the bore. In regular diffuse lighting, the bore just has the normally seen hot and cold spots, shadowing, you know. Nothing fantastic about it. Even though I could have spared myself the impending ridicule, I was happy to hear the discussion of bore problems experienced by others that was sparked by an interest to contribute to my original request for help. Now that I do not need it, I still learned something from listening to the replies. I felt obligated to tell the truth, AND perhaps saved someone else from making the same mistake. And to summarize the posts put forth on this: yes, the sound is all that matters ultimately, but yes, you should do visual inspection of a new product and perhaps not be satisfied if there is a flaw, whether or not it bears any relevance to the performance of the product. When you pick out a new car (which someday I'm sure I will do...) do you not look it over? If it had a small dent in the left side would you accept it even though it did not affect the performance of the vehicle which really is being purchased only to get you from one place to another? Perhaps you would if you strictly were buying 'transportation' but most people would want to have a nonflawed one, have the flawed one repaired or have the seller make a concession on price as a result of the flaw. That is the way it is, and anyone that says they would ignore physical defects of a product they are paying full, new price amounts on is probably speaking hypothetically. Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 08:04:46 -0800 Royce Lerwick wrote > There isn't any "tweaking" > of sound files being discussed, at least not by me. I'm talking about > one knob on a piece of playback hardware,... You're just being rediculous here. You know that by "Tweaking" the files, we MEAN adjusting "that knob". Any way you put it, you'd be adjusting the wave based on a guess -- maybe and maybe not in a usefull direction for the purposes of the experiment. Do whatever you like while playing back the files Royce; only please spare us the (pseudo-)'science' lesson. After all, the very definition of "Tone Quality", in the literature of physiological accoustics, is "the RELATIVE PROPORTIONS of frequency within the sound" (Helmholtz, "On The Sensations Of Tone", and many others sited later). And while I find your approach -- to simply adjust the bass 'knob' untill the sample sounds best -- refreshingly optimistic; It isn't very scientific. In your good-natured attempt to control for variances in palyback hardware, you've created infinite variance which can never be controled. > the overal question of *volume* between drone and chanter. The fact is that the drone 'sound' includes MANY upper harmonics; and the PROPORTION of these harmonics, to the lower and Fundamental partials, is critical to our perception of Tone. The problem comes when trying to isolate frequencies in the spectra from the composite waveform. It's not quite the "Slam dunk" you claim it to be when trying to be faithfull to an 'original' reference Tone. The partials of musical tones are percieved synthetically by the ear, and in human's, this is *very* sensitive. The RELATIVE amplitude of each partial is important in our ability to discern "Tone" (by definition). Once the microphone has combined the vibs from the drones and chanter (mixed!), it is almost impossible (with real sounds found in nature) to reduce them back again polyphonocally. You're treating spectra as if they were seperate voices recorded on seperate tracks -- which would be valid for perfectly sinusoidal waves; or, if some data were known about the original spectra. > The problem has to do with pipes, and making a guess at how > loud the drones really were compared to the chanter I'm glad you point out that you're making a geuss here. I'm pointing out that: not only are you guessing about that, you also screw with the *relative* amounts of the partials heard, and therfore CHANGE the tone (by the definition of "Tone" within the acedemic literature base). > the fact is, if you played that stuff back on a 2" speaker it wouldn't > have any bass no matter what you did to it. > > Royce Not true! As a matter of fact you can "have Bass" even while NO frequencies in the bass range exist in the sample. This "Missing Fundamental" effect was known by early Pipe-Organ makers; and, is demonstrated every time a Low voice is heard through one of those cheep speakers. Amazingly, If the "Proportion" of upper partials is exactly what WOULD occur if there were a bass sound; then our ears go ahead and Perceive the low bass sound - without it's ever being there!!! It's our brains doing pattern recognition! [Those Organ makers were able to produce very low Bass sounds without having to create correspondingly huge pipes. 'Turns out, if you start with a Tone that's rich in higher harmonics, you can actually completely remove the fundamental frequency, with little effect on the perceived Pitch!! The pipe makers simply line up a bunch of pipes that produce the higher-frequency harmonic overtone series of a *would-be* bass pipe. When those 'partial' pipes are played -- with the correct proportion of loudness -- the Low pitched tone is heard (or, perceived)!! I understand clock chime makers and bell makers use similar principals] For a pretty good discussion of this, see "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics" by Benade, Pg. 66. He notes that only the two highest partials are necessary to 'fool' the listener into "hearing" the low fundamental sound. Astonishing - until you recall that $2.00 radio; or routinely hearing low male voices, on a 1/2 inch phone speaker incapable of producing those Frequencies. This phenomena underscores the folly of trying to map (one to one) the psychological variables of Perception 'space' (such as Pitch, Loudness and Tempo); with Physical 'space' variables (such as Frequency, Amplitude and Time). For instance, the common mapping of Pitch to Frequency, is very inexact at times (Fletcher, et al.). Indeed, even within physical measurement space, these variables are not orthogonal -- there's a slight dependency of Frequency on Amplitude, etc. Cheers Todd Muscat (I guess I'll be seeing this in the Physics section of the next edition of "The Pipe Majors Handbook" :-)) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How do I treat a dry bagpipe? Date: 22 Nov 1999 09:43:43 -0800 carefully. Get Ringo's book for a start. "lf1" wrote in message news:819uph$npp$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > I have been so lucky to get hold of 5 old bagpipes. They have not been > played for > three to ten years. How do I avoid the drones and chanters to crack. A year > ago I started to play a practicechanter, that was very dry and it cracked > aprox three weeks after. > Do I oil the drones both on the outside and the inside or .... > > Lejf > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection Date: 22 Nov 1999 08:31:56 -0800 Bool 1 has been reprinted in colour; they are SLOWLY reissuing the other five - we'll all be a lot older before they do. "Paul Gretton" wrote in message news:3839E631.341C@compuserve.com... > Piobre wrote: > > > > HI: I would very much like to by the full five book set of Binneas is > > Boreraig. If someone has a set that they do not want to part with, I will > > gladly pay for colour xerox reproductions. Email me directly. Cheers PB > > There are in fact 6 volumes. > > You will be very, very lucky to find this. The College of Piping in Glasgow is > considering reprinting it, though. If enough people write to them saying they want it, > it may speed things up. > > BTW, BiB is still in copyright, so photocopying it is not really an option, or at least > not a legal one. > > Cheers, > > Paul Gretton > > *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)***** - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Help re typesetting manuscript Date: 22 Nov 1999 17:37:03 -0000 I have been asked by Dr. Roderick Cannon representing The John MacFadyen Trust, to typeset the MacArthur Manuscript for the forthcoming publication. The full finished book is due to be released in March/April 2000. I have looked at various bagpipe programs that can typeset the a bagpipe score and found that while BMW etc is very good, it will not produce the professional results needed to make the book/manuscript look like a Kilberry version. I have just completed one page using the Braemar Software - Music Publisher and I am VERY pleased with the results. The Trust are offering to pay for this to be done (quite a reasonable fee I can assure you). The only problem is that there are 30 pages to typeset AND they want it done by about Christmas time - so is there anyone out there with Music Publisher will either to do the whole lot or give a hand. They may give me more time to do the job but with my work commitments I can only offer them the task done by late January to mid February. Replies by personal email only. Many thanks -- Peter Anderson - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Throws (warning: piping content) Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:10:14 -0500 --------------E7225BB5D6942D01CAB0C1F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Zu... re Hi A doubling... Jim McGillivray in his Rhythmic Fingerwork gives a rationale for Hi A doubling and Hi G doubling being called a throw. From chapter 3: "Unlike true doublings, which sound as a result of gracenote fingers hitting the chanter, throws result from fingers striking and then being lifted or 'thrown' from it." Zudupiper wrote: > > > > How come the hiA "hit" is called a throw? > > > Zu --------------E7225BB5D6942D01CAB0C1F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Zu... re Hi A doubling...

Jim McGillivray in his Rhythmic Fingerwork gives a rationale for Hi A doubling and Hi G doubling being called a throw. From chapter 3: "Unlike true doublings, which sound as a result of gracenote fingers hitting the chanter, throws result from fingers striking and then being lifted or 'thrown' from it."

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How come the hiA "hit" is called a throw?
 

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--------------E7225BB5D6942D01CAB0C1F7-- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How do I treat a dry bagpipe? Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:16:34 -0500 Hi... I agree that the question of how dry a climate, closet, environment... have the pipes been kept in ... is relevant.. If in a very dry environment... here's what I did with a pair of pipes stored ten years in an attic.... (usual warnings..ymmv)... I disassembled the pipes... and gradually and persistently humidified them as follows: In a closed bathroom...I ran a hot shower and kept it going until about a couple of inches of water were in the tub... I left the pipes in this steamy, humid room... I repeated the process daily for four weeks... don't know if it was necessary... but it did work and both stands of pipes were solid and stayed uncracked when we reassembled them and returned them to active duty. Good Luck... It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) lf1 wrote: > I have been so lucky to get hold of 5 old bagpipes. They have not been > played for > three to ten years. How do I avoid the drones and chanters to crack. A year > ago I started to play a practicechanter, that was very dry and it cracked > aprox three weeks after. > Do I oil the drones both on the outside and the inside or .... > > Lejf - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection Date: 22 Nov 1999 13:39:51 -0800 Forgive my ignorance. What is "Binneas is Boreraig?" (I know that it is a music collection and I know about the school on Skye, so I am looking for a little detail here.) What does it contain? Why is it sought after? Is any of it duplicated in any other collections? TIA. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTD:Leather pipe case Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:20:45 GMT In article <81a4bt$4n24$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Wm. Hinmon" wrote: > I'm looking to buy a new or used hard (real) leather pipe > case. As long as it still has a handle I'd be interested. > If anyone knows who may still retails this type of case > I would be grateful to know the name. > We are in the process of finalizing a similar case for the practice chanter - hard leather, formed interior, leather handle. However, as we were approaching this project, I kept an eye out for anything similar on the market - either pipe cases or P/C cases. I have not encountered anything like it currently being offered. You could have one custom made by a saddle shop (yeah, I know they may be more common here in Texas than some other parts of the country) although I don't know what sort of price might be involved. If you can't find one in your area and want to pursue it, let me know and I'll put you in touch with one here near Houston who makes saddles and tack. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:45:21 GMT >I had also just spent an hour wangling myself another 15Mg of webspace to >take the new tunes (this site is getting BIG...). Chris, Is that space free? I for one, would gladly contribute a dollar or two to offset all the fun were having listening to these. It shouldn't cost you anything, if it is we should all (or at least those of us who are enjoying it) contribute a small pitence to pull our own weight. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Naill chanter help Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:54:33 GMT > I happen to >think that a person that can admit his mistakes, and learn from them, is the >brightest of all. I agree... Maybe those of you who went berserk telling me what a jerk I was for changing my mind and buying Krons should look closer at that! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Throws (warning: piping content) Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:12:40 GMT >Hi Zu... re Hi A doubling... > >Jim McGillivray in his Rhythmic Fingerwork gives a rationale for Hi A >doubling and >Hi G doubling being called a throw. From chapter 3: "Unlike true doublings, >which >sound as a result of gracenote fingers hitting the chanter, throws result >from >fingers striking and then being lifted or 'thrown' from it." > Makes sense! Thanks... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 22 Nov 1999 16:36:10 -0800 Royce Lerwick wrote > what I've > said, which is quite simple, and that's just that you can't tell > anything about the balance between the drones and the chanter in this > business, That's not what you said. It's what *I* said. You said: simply 'bump up the bass' to put the ballance back (talk about 'EQ Farries'). I said you cannot, without changing the tone! > The crap about the overlapping harmonics is true, but then so are > billions of other interesting facts that have no more bearing on my > very simple statement than that either. You're just squirming now. You brought up the 'cheep speaker' crap. I just corrected you on it. Cheers Todd - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) High A's Again Setting the Toad Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:21:33 GMT The new sample of "Rhu Vaternish" is another audio monstrosity that hides within it a pretty well set up instrument. The high A there was nailed at an octave and if you could hear any low end at all the drones are pretty full and it's a great solo sound. The possible exception is I think the D and E were either blown sharp more than a couple of times or verging too close to being just plain sharp to pass the test most of the time. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah Date: 23 Nov 1999 01:52:03 GMT > I was hit by lightning when I was an infant. Ah hem! Nuff said... (kidding) Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 23 Nov 1999 03:43:53 GMT On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:36:10 -0800, "Todd" wrote: >Royce Lerwick wrote > >> what I've >> said, which is quite simple, and that's just that you can't tell >> anything about the balance between the drones and the chanter in this >> business, > >That's not what you said. It's what *I* said. Frankly, I don't know what you said or why you said it. >You said: simply 'bump up >the bass' to put the ballance back (talk about 'EQ Farries'). I said you >cannot, without changing the tone! Nobody gives a rip about the tone because if you'd read the actual subject of the thread it was following a critique by somebody who make their entire judgements about the setup based on the "balance" between the chanter and the drones. Nobody cares about changing the tone. This it irrelevant on nearly all these pathetic samples being played back on little earphones and tiny speakers. > The crap about the overlapping harmonics is true, but then so are >> billions of other interesting facts that have no more bearing on my >> very simple statement than that either. > >You're just squirming now. >You brought up the 'cheep speaker' crap. I just corrected you on it. Non Todd, you're just enveloped in that dangerous situation of knowing too damned much to be very helpful. The cheep speaker crap is the subject of the thread. If you boost the bass you do in fact compensate for the cheep speakers (read: whole reproduction system) and there are in fact several industry standard playback curves to which real speaker and playback systems and rooms are carefully made to conform via very elaborate graphic and parametric equilation racks so they will accurately reproduce what was recorded. You haven't clarified anything. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Setting the Tone-new files Date: 23 Nov 1999 01:27:11 GMT Gave them a quick listen at work today (where the good speakers are). Maybe I've heard too many sound files by now. The only 2 files that sounded abnormal were one VERY quiet file (forget which) and the Previously-mentioned Siege of Delhi. To me, it sounds like the quality of the recording is going up...learning curve? One or two quick listens isn't really enough to draw any conclusions, other than general pitch. To me it sounded like most of the new samples were down-pitched, with only one really up-pitch chanter. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gaelic Piping in North America Date: 22 Nov 1999 22:51:19 GMT >FWIW, there is a large contigent of >Cape Bretoners and/or their descendants in the Boston area. FWIW, there is a whole town in my area that was settled by Scot/Irish, but I've never heard of any pipe makers there or anywhere nearby this end of Mass. The town is called Blandford, Mass. and still has a large population of Scot/Irish. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!! Date: 23 Nov 1999 00:17:19 GMT >Zu, I'm surprised with you, making a generalization like that! I'm >coming up on my two year pipes learning anniversary and I know that I've >got a LONG WAY to go yet. Ah yes! But when I had been playing about 2 years I remember thinking that I knew pretty much everything. Turns out I didn't have much of a clue at all. The more I learn about the pipes, the more I'm amazed at how much there is to know. I stayed with the same teacher for pretty much the first 2-2.5 years and only started going to schools, camps etc near the end of that time, and that's when I started to realize how much there is to learn. >I just think the "know-it-alls" >stick out so people remember them. I think you're probably more accurate >describing TEENAGE 2 year piper egos . . . how's that for a >generalization? ;-) I'll buy that! Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Best MSR (was Paid Pipers) Date: 22 Nov 1999 23:30:40 -0500 On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:38:50 GMT, "Crimmy Crum" wrote: >just a question for you pipers out there, > >if given the option to play any march, strathspey, and a reel in a band >what would it be and why? M: Lord Alexander Kennedy S: Bogan Lochan (Atholl Cummers) R: John McKechnie's Big Reel They're classic tunes and well suited to display good technique and tuning. Lord Alex in particular can really show off a good sound. I love the swing of it. I like the old J.K. / Tom McAllister setting (RSPBA) rather than the more commonly heard Scots Guards. Bogan Lochan just has it all - technique, music, interesting twists. John McKechnie is really tough both musically and technically, but someday maybe ... >same for the solo pipers, if you could pick your own msr, what would it be >and why? M: Jimmy Young ... I like the tune, particularly the 2nd part and bars 5/6 of the 3rd part. If you don't have a crossing noise problem, this is wondrous stuff. S: MacBeth's Strathspey ... 'cuz I like the tune and I play it well. Love the 3rd part. R: Sheila MacMurchy's Dance ... great tune, lots of opportunity for expression, and not too commonly heard. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MSR Date: 22 Nov 1999 23:35:37 -0500 On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:39:55 GMT, "Crimmy Crum" wrote: >just a question for you pipers out there, > >if given the option to play any march, strathspey, and a reel in a band >what would it be and why? M: Lord Alexander Kennedy S: Bogan Lochan (Atholl Cummers) R: John McKechnie's Big Reel They're classic tunes and well suited to display good technique and tuning. Lord Alex in particular can really show off a good sound. I love the swing of it. I like the old J.K. / Tom McAllister setting (RSPBA) rather than the more commonly heard Scots Guards. Bogan Lochan just has it all - technique, music, interesting twists. John McKechnie is really tough both musically and technically, but someday maybe ... >same for the solo pipers, if you could pick your own msr, what would it be >and why? M: Jimmy Young ... I like the tune, particularly the 2nd part and bars 5/6 of the 3rd part. If you don't have a crossing noise problem, this is wondrous stuff. S: MacBeth's Strathspey ... 'cuz I like the tune and I play it well. Love the 3rd part. R: Sheila MacMurchy's Dance ... great tune, lots of opportunity for expression, and not too commonly heard. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IainCameron@brandywine.telinco.co.uk (Iain Cameron) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lowland/Border Teachers in Scotland Date: 23 Nov 1999 07:46:36 GMT On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:05:36 GMT, smc@ix.net.au (Scotty Carpenter) wrote: >Dear fellow pipers, > just wondering if there are any teachers who specialise in the >lowland/border style in Scotland. I'm already a member of the LBPS and >I know there are weekends etc........but I was looking for something >on a regular basis. I'll be arriving in Aberdeen in March 2000. > >best wishes > >Scott >Orange NSW Australia > >Border Pipes in "A" >Smallpipes in "C" How long are you going to be here for, Scott ? You should certainly take up Gordon Mooney's offer, although you will be involved in a lot of travelling. Another person you might care to contact is David Taylor (address in the LBPS Membership list), who is an excellent teacher. Will you still be over here in August, in case David Hannay hosts another Summer School ?- that would also be worthwhile. Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to get hung up on the issue of style, or authenticity. Lowland pipe music is for playing, not for theorising over. Gordon's major contribution has been to show that lowland piping was in the direct main line of Scots popular music. The fact that that music passed to the fiddlers and then to the box players is irrelevant. They have held fast to the tradition and we are now able to pick it up again and play it as though we had been doing so all along. There was no "authentic" style, nor should there be now. Just as you can recognise the leading box players from just a few bars, so it is quite reasonable to be able to recognise a piper from the way he handles a tune, and then to decide how you would play the same tune yourself. There is absolutely no need for uniformity - meet other players, swap ideas, make up your own mind. Keep in touch. Iain Cameron - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh (Tune Search) Date: 23 Nov 1999 09:10:12 GMT >Looking >for BMW, BMW Gold or graphic file of the music. Thanks! I have it in jpg if you still need it. Contact me via private email. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection Date: 23 Nov 1999 08:44:20 -0500 > What is "Binneas is Boreraig?" (I know that it is a music collection > and I know about the school on Skye, so I am looking for a little > detail here.) > Paul has outlined in nice detail WHAT they are. But, apparently they were not very good sellers when they came out originally and so were discontinued. I think they are under the control of the College of Piping. Also, I have been told that some of the book vendors have been trying to get them to reprint them, but they won't because they don't think they will sell what they print. This discussion came up awhile back on this NG (maybe a year or so). I was told by one book vendor that the CoP would not publish until sufficient orders had been taken in advance to warrant the reprinting. To this day I have not heard that any of them are in the process of being released again seriously. Bentley Wall - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh (Tune Search) Date: 23 Nov 1999 09:14:44 GMT >72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh -- >> a 6/8 March. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction? >Looking >> for BMW, BMW Gold or graphic file of the music. Thanks! > >Queen's Own Highlanders (Seaforth and Camerons) Standard Settings of Pipe >Music > >or > >Seaforth Highlanders Standard Settings > >A nice reprint of the latter came out last year. > >Cheers, > >Paul Gretton Sure, why not buy a whole book for one page of music, OR you could email me for a single copy. Apparently Mr-know-it-all didn't read the post. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 23 Nov 1999 14:13:21 GMT >Thanks for the generous offer, Bill, but I think I've solved it now. >Freeserve, believe it or not, is a free internet service provider. Is that why they call it "FREEserve" LOL! I thought it was, but I know you guys over there pay for many things we get for free, so I thought I'd ask. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: 72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh (Tune Search) Date: 23 Nov 1999 14:31:19 GMT In a previous article, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh -- >>> a 6/8 March. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction? >>Looking >>> for BMW, BMW Gold or graphic file of the music. Thanks! >> >>Queen's Own Highlanders (Seaforth and Camerons) Standard Settings of Pipe >>Music >> >>or >> >>Seaforth Highlanders Standard Settings >> >>A nice reprint of the latter came out last year. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Paul Gretton > >Sure, why not buy a whole book for one page of music, OR you could email me for >a single copy. >Apparently Mr-know-it-all didn't read the post. I think Mr. Know-it-all was thinking that the question was from a beginner who would greatly profit from having a QO or especially a Seaforth collection, one of the great books, instead of just 1 measly tune. chris - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lowland/Border Teachers in Scotland Date: 23 Nov 1999 10:55:31 -0500 Iain Cameron wrote > On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:05:36 GMT, smc@ix.net.au (Scotty Carpenter) wrote: > >Dear fellow pipers, > > just wondering if there are any teachers who specialise in the > >lowland/border style in Scotland. > >best wishes > Another person you might care to contact is > David Taylor (address in the LBPS Membership list), who is an excellent teacher. Davie lives in Kinguisse, and in 1991 taught at the Vermont school along with Hamish. He also taught at the North Carolina school by Hamish. His playing, and teaching, is excellent. Also, Davie is a student, and teacher, of Scottish history (1992 Davie gave me a wonderfully guided tour of Culloden) and would be a fine source for opinions regarding Lowland/Border "authenticity". > Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to get hung up on the issue of style, or authenticity. Good advice. Be wary of those who do claim knowledge of the "authentic" style, and who would style themselves as "best qualified". > The fact that that > music passed to the fiddlers and then to the box players is irrelevant. They have held fast to the > tradition and we are now able to pick it up again and play it as though we had been doing so all > along. There was no "authentic" style, nor should there be now. This statement seems self-contradictory, and I'm not quite sure what is intended. Music kept alive through fiddlers, box players and step-dancers is highly relevant. Here we are presented with some of the few clues available - whether we are talking about Lowland, Highland, Cape Breton or Gaelic piping. Perhaps more than any, fiddlers have kept alive the focus on the fact that we are playing the ancient and traditional dance music of Scotland. > There is absolutely no need for uniformity - meet other players, swap ideas, make up your own mind. > Best advice of all. Make it a point, as well, to speak to those folks you are advised, by a few members of the LBPS, to avoid. Contact Davie. You won't regret it. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 23 Nov 1999 09:08:26 -0800 I will make a prediction: At some point in the future, synthetic chanter reeds will be accepted in the world of piping, and cane chanter reeds will be regarded mostly as not being worth the trouble, despite their superiority of tone. When will this happen? I don't know, but I do know that at sometime in the past plastic pipes, plastic drone reeds, and artificial valves had not even been conceived, so who will predict that we will NEVER have a respectable artificial chanter reed? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........ Date: 23 Nov 1999 09:14:25 -0800 In article <81ed7m$1jv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: > > Well.....the Scots Guards seemed to think THEY needed > > it > I Believe this may be something to do with > the fact , that as a band, they should be all playing the > same musical score,or is this also a little difficult > for you to comprehend . > Yours Sam S. Well, Sam, *my* band doesn't feel that they should all be playing the same score, so why should the Scot's Guards? And no, Sam, I don't have any trouble comprehending it. Do you? BTW, isn't your nickname "Yosemite?" * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thanksgiving Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:21:51 -0500 CLANMAP wrote: > Just wondering if anyone else out there pipes in the Thanksgiving Bird (on a > platter of course) to the dinner table on Thanksgiving? I know its not Haggis > but it was once considered as this country's National Bird by Ben Franklin. No, never play in the bird- it's too small , warm and damp in there. I might play in the living room, though... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh (Tune Search) Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:03:43 -0400 Bagpiip wrote: > >Seaforth Highlanders Standard Settings > > > >A nice reprint of the latter came out last year. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul Gretton > > Sure, why not buy a whole book for one page of music, OR you could email me for > a single copy. > Apparently Mr-know-it-all didn't read the post. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. Sure, why not indeed- Buying a whole book for one page of music is an excellent idea when you can manage it. Often your favorite tunes turn out to be the ones you never heard before Doug -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. -- Mignon McLaughlin - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........ Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:51:12 GMT >BTW, isn't your nickname "Yosemite?" Nope! It's outlaw Kieffer... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 23 Nov 1999 09:52:10 -0800 there are currently at lest six makers working on a viable synthetic chanter reed. At this point, no one has come CLOSE to getting it right - or if they are, they're not talking about it. You can be sure that once someone DOES get it right, it will be all over everywhere. Once Bill Livingstone 'approves' it, everybody will want it. It's just a matter of time - and money.... "Ccc31807" wrote in message news:000b8d9b.ffa5986f@usw-ex0102-013.remarq.com... > I will make a prediction: > > At some point in the future, synthetic chanter reeds will be accepted > in the world of piping, and cane chanter reeds will be regarded mostly > as not being worth the trouble, despite their superiority of tone. > > When will this happen? I don't know, but I do know that at sometime in > the past plastic pipes, plastic drone reeds, and artificial valves had > not even been conceived, so who will predict that we will NEVER have a > respectable artificial chanter reed? > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 72nd Highlanders' Farewell to Edinburgh (Tune Search) Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:59:17 GMT >Sure, why not indeed- >Buying a whole book for one page of music is an excellent idea when you can >manage >it. Often your favorite tunes turn out to be the ones you never heard before > >Doug I agree, but that STILL is not what he asked for. I've sent him the Piob Mhor demo page and supplied him with the piob2000 file, so he's covered on that tune, and 1,999 others. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Audience Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:20:30 -0500 If you had only played The Black Bear, he would have danced. BTW, have you ever seen a bear who's been into the fermented windfall apples? ROFL, unless of course you're too close. Matt Buckley wrote: > Here's a first. Yesterday, I left the office a bit early to take > advantage of the unseasonably warm weather in Vermont. > Thought I'd play my big pipes on the porch. Upon striking in > and beginning to play, I noticed a disturbance in the apple > tree closest to my porch. There, much to my astonishment, > clung a bear cub, not more than 40 lbs or so in size, looking at > me wide-eyed and amazed! Apparently, he was foraging for > late season apples, and was unprepared for the bizarre sounds > he encountered. After we both settled down, I went back inside > and watched his actions. He stuck around, listening to my > pibroch exercises, and ate apples to his heart's content. Life in Vermont. > > Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:18:41 -0800 Right - the new Mark II synths leave MacShannons reeds in the dust; the Duatones are FAR superior to anything on the market "Chris Hamilton" wrote in message news:rdol3s0fg5ottcghrliin423cn26s4e43m@4ax.com... > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:50:37 -0500, "Rob&Erin" > wrote: > > > > > > >I have a question about drone reeds. I have had my pipes now for 2 months > >and both my instructors have told me to start thinking about drone reeds. > >My band instructor suggests ezedrone reed and my private instructor suggests > >wygents. What does the news group suggest? > > You won't go wrong with either one. The EzeeDrone is an "improved" > Wygent SyntheDrone, but now that Mark Wygent has released the > SyntheDrone II and the DuaTone, all bets are off. > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com > City of Washington Pipe Band > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) New Audience Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:52:14 -0500 Here's a first. Yesterday, I left the office a bit early to take advantage of the unseasonably warm weather in Vermont. Thought I'd play my big pipes on the porch. Upon striking in and beginning to play, I noticed a disturbance in the apple tree closest to my porch. There, much to my astonishment, clung a bear cub, not more than 40 lbs or so in size, looking at me wide-eyed and amazed! Apparently, he was foraging for late season apples, and was unprepared for the bizarre sounds he encountered. After we both settled down, I went back inside and watched his actions. He stuck around, listening to my pibroch exercises, and ate apples to his heart's content. Life in Vermont. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:56:36 GMT >so who will predict that we will NEVER have a >respectable artificial chanter reed? > No one said that, just that there isn't an acceptable sounding one available now. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:35:13 -0800 > > Duatones are FAR superior to anything on the market > I guess no one has informed you that Alasdair won in San Diego > with his > LEE drone reeds. Last I heard, Mark Lee was not accepting new orders, due to the uncertainty of his source for raw inventory. If Duatones are on the market, and Lee's reeds are not, then Wygent's indeed would be superior to Lee's among commercially available reeds. Of course, if Lee is still making reeds, then all bets are off. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 23 Nov 1999 17:55:26 GMT >Wrong. I sincerely doubt it.... >What you would see from MY perspective is 250 miles to the nearest "Hot Bed" >of >Bagpipe activity, and qualified instructors therein. Another lame excuse, used by hacks around the world, as is the thin air, too much work blowing in reeds, too much trouble tuning etc etc etc. Sorry, but every piper I know in person, and read on the NG can't be wrong when they say these reeds are horrible. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 23 Nov 1999 13:50:34 -0500 On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:50:37 -0500, "Rob&Erin" wrote: > > >I have a question about drone reeds. I have had my pipes now for 2 months >and both my instructors have told me to start thinking about drone reeds. >My band instructor suggests ezedrone reed and my private instructor suggests >wygents. What does the news group suggest? You won't go wrong with either one. The EzeeDrone is an "improved" Wygent SyntheDrone, but now that Mark Wygent has released the SyntheDrone II and the DuaTone, all bets are off. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 23 Nov 1999 12:56:11 -0800 which is all fine and dandy since the Duatones weren't available until last week.... "madman" wrote in message news:383AFCA2.5760@hotmail.com... > Iain Sherwood wrote: > > > > Duatones are FAR superior to anything on the market > > I guess no one has informed you that Alasdair won in San Diego with his > LEE drone reeds. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 23 Nov 1999 16:54:19 -0800 exactly. If John Cairns or Alasdair Gillies or ANYBODY won the Gold Medal (Northern Meeting) with it, you'd be damn sure every keelie in Glasgow would be stuffing it into his chanter. THEN Mathieson or Park or Terry Lee or whoever would have their whole band playing them. The current problems in developing a synthetic chanter reed seem to be volume and reed life; apparently if you make one with sufficient volume it wears out in about a half hour or so; if you make one that lasts it soulds like an anemic oboe with a goiter, like the Clanrye. I had a few of those years ago - they were fine for a beginner on pipes for about a week, playing one drone - then when you added the other two they chanter was completely overpowered. Even the stiffest one had terrible tone. As they say about cures for diseases, it only takes time - and money. "Richard Wilson" wrote in message news:383b3297$0$12502@motown.iinet.net.au... > Yes I agree. As soon as someone "big" in the piping world gives the ok, it > will take off. With an endoresement from a recognisable name like > Livingstone or Mathieson (only if it was the "Shepard Plastic Pipe Chanter > Reed" though lol), then the rest of the world would want to make a value > judgement and order a heap. Some would like it... traditionalists would hate > it... but it would start being used. > > My question is, where? I can imagine it being useful for band competitions > (not having to set the chanter every practice), but solo? I would imagine > that even then a extremely hot or cold day might affect the read enough that > you would want to 'tweak' it so that you get the pitch you want. > > The plastic reeds might be good for novices to start playing with, but what > about in the open and professional solo grades?I cannot imagine one of these > players being unhappy with their tone, and then find it difficult to change > it short of buying a new reed at 45 bucks or what ever. > > Or have I got it totally wrong? How will the plastic reeds change the piping > world? I'm trying to chuck a bit of a Nostradamus here and not doing very > well.... > > > Iain Sherwood wrote in message > news:s3lkvmgnrrp93@corp.supernews.com... > > there are currently at lest six makers working on a viable synthetic > chanter > > reed. At this point, no one has come CLOSE to getting it right - or if > they > > are, they're not talking about it. You can be sure that once someone DOES > > get it right, it will be all over everywhere. Once Bill Livingstone > > 'approves' it, everybody will want it. > > > > It's just a matter of time - and money.... > > "Ccc31807" wrote in message > > news:000b8d9b.ffa5986f@usw-ex0102-013.remarq.com... > > > I will make a prediction: > > > > > > At some point in the future, synthetic chanter reeds will be accepted > > > in the world of piping, and cane chanter reeds will be regarded mostly > > > as not being worth the trouble, despite their superiority of tone. > > > > > > When will this happen? I don't know, but I do know that at sometime in > > > the past plastic pipes, plastic drone reeds, and artificial valves had > > > not even been conceived, so who will predict that we will NEVER have a > > > respectable artificial chanter reed? > > > > > > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > Network > > * > > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 01:17:53 GMT >My band instructor suggests ezedrone reed and my private instructor suggests >wygents. What does the news group suggest? I suggest Wygents. They're made better, and the reedbody doesn't swell up like the EZ body does (immobilizing the threads on the adjusting pin). Also the reedseat end is much more user friendly. Most importantly from my point of view, Wygents are a heck of a lot easier to retongue than EZs are when you finally get sick of fiddling with them. As far as sound goes? Pretty much the same if you know how to work with them. EZs are pretty much an inferior version of Wygents. Doesn't mean they can't sound OK, though. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........ Date: 24 Nov 1999 01:24:59 GMT > I Believe this may be something to do with > the fact , that as a band, they should be all playing the > same musical score,or is this also a little difficult > for you to comprehend . Heard you're changing to a more succinct email server.... Sam@pompousass.com Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Funny Piping Book! Date: 24 Nov 1999 00:37:07 GMT It's called "The Compleat Piper", and it's an irreverent guide to piping. Copublished by the International Society to Abolish E Doublings. Well worth the $7, which includes postage. Send a check to Carolyn Rogers 9002 W. State St Boise, ID 83703 I'm still chuckling! I have no financial interest in this, just a happy customer. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 01:34:17 GMT In article , "Rob&Erin" wrote: > > > I have a question about drone reeds. I have had my pipes now for 2 months > and both my instructors have told me to start thinking about drone reeds. > My band instructor suggests ezedrone reed and my private instructor suggests > wygents. What does the news group suggest? > Rob That question is more complicated than you might think. Both reeds require some one-on-one instruction to tweak the tongue and bridle just the right way to get the sound you're seeking. If you're playing an easy chanter reed, you can play either right out of the box. If you're playing a very hard reed, I'd recommend either set fitted with glass-epoxy or glass-melamine tongues or one of Zu's retro-fit set- ups. If you choose to refit them with glass, I strongly recommend opening the bass (width) orifice to 1/8" (.125) - to make it more air efficient. To answer your question...flip a coin. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 01:43:46 GMT In article , "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > Right - the new Mark II synths leave MacShannons reeds in the dust; the > Duatones are FAR superior to anything on the market You wouldn't happen to sell those, would you? Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Soooo . . . Date: 23 Nov 1999 23:12:20 -0500 Mike Horvath wrote in message news:383b6135_1@news2.one.net... > Dear Maeve: > > Would you mind telling us how your new practice 'structure' is structured? Sorry, Mike :) I sometimes get so excited that I don't elaborate on a thing! And sometimes I just don't think that other people would be interested but I can see that this might be. Just an oversight :) :) I am to work on something for ONLY ten minutes at a time. Unlike my past practice sessions where I might sit and pound out a crunluath for an hour until I have it right, I am to cut it short. If I want to do this 100 times a day, that's fine . . . but only for 10 minutes at a time. The other thing is rather neat too. .. . I'm being challenged here to learn these two new tunes before the Orlando games. Sandy had a REALLY neat system that I had not seen or realized before. He numbered the bars in the first part of the tune. .. starting at 1. Then he pointed out that a number of others in the same part were identical so he gave those all the number 1 as well. As we worked through it, there were only 5 different phrases in the first part! Then, going through the other 3 parts, there were only a total of 5 new phrases in the whole tune! So to learn the first part meant that you had already memorized half of the tune!!!!!! I couldn't believe how logical this was when I looked at it! Now, armed with this information, I am to attack the first phrase until it comes easy and naturally. Then I move to the first and second . . . and so on. This is different from the way that I was learning before when I would take the first part as a whole and try to bash my way through it. But I did find it rather difficult to give up on these things after the ten minutes were up. I didn't want to move on . . . something in my conditioning, I think. I have programmed myself to be "pit-bullish" in that I will latch on and not turn loose again until I have it right. I could go on and on about the little things that I learned today! I'm still thrilled and totally enamored! I can't wait until tomorrow when I can break out the chanter again! BTW . . . Sandy sometimes reads the NG :) :) :) Maybe we can persuade him to join in sometime :) :) :) It would sure make more interesting reading that the stuff *I* send! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . still doing a happy dance! http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 23 Nov 1999 16:57:30 -0800 well, Waaa! I'm so hurt! How could you? (HA!) "madman" wrote in message news:383B1647.5AA4@hotmail.com... > Ccc31807 wrote: > > > > > > Duatones are FAR superior to anything on the market > > > I guess no one has informed you that Alasdair won in San Diego > > > with his > > > LEE drone reeds. > > > > Last I heard, Mark Lee was not accepting new orders, due to the > > uncertainty of his source for raw inventory. If Duatones are on the > > market, and Lee's reeds are not, then Wygent's indeed would be superior > > to Lee's among commercially available reeds. > > > > Of course, if Lee is still making reeds, then all bets are off. > > Well then, I guess all bets are off. > Besides ,Mark wouldn't make *you* a set because I asked him not to,since > you're such a > shit-ass. > Kron players get first dibs. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Times quote!! Date: 23 Nov 1999 16:55:17 -0800 just as long as it wasn't The Highland Wedding.... "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote in message news:38338cc1_5@news.newsfeeds.com... > > Waterfly wrote in > > > I've often wondered if a female piper could play a tune on her lover's > > "chanter"...could he name that tune in 10 seconds or less? > > Ooooo, just hum that tune for me one more time Babe! > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Farwell to Sicily Date: 23 Nov 1999 20:08:23 -0900 Jeff wrote: > Is the tune Farwell to Sicily the same as Farwell to the > Creeks? Yes, same tune. Hamish Henderson's poem "The 51st (Highland) Division's Farewell to Sicily" was set to the tune "Farewell to the Creeks" to create the popular song. Dick Gaughan does a very nice, very slow version on his CD "Sail On". It was also covered by Bert Jansch on "The Ornament Tree". With regards to the song - and the repeating phrase "All the bricht chaulmers are eerie" - what are chaulmers? Does anyone have a copy of Hamish Henderson's poem? Perhaps "chaulmers" was a misprint in Bert's liner notes... Cheers Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How do I treat a dry bagpipe? Date: 24 Nov 1999 00:52:31 -0500 Hi.... Any "violent" change to the moisture status (either water or oil) of dry wood is likely to cause a crack... IF you do decide to oil the inside of a veeeerrrryyy dry set of bores... do so very lightly and wipe off/drag a cloth through to absorb the excess thoroughly... I have seen and been told of several ... (enough that I am against it) cases of dry, long time stored drones cracking when oiled.. The reason I would make sure only a very light oiling is used ...is that if it were a heavy oiling, the inside wooden surface, edge, first couple of millimeters of the bores would soak up the oil so fast and swell before the interior, middle part of the bores ...that the bores would crack from the inside swelling pressure.... (so, I repeat, I'm agin' it) ==== My comment... to Stu's comments... 100% humidity is fog... so the humid bathroom is unlikely to reach that point (your going out the bathroom door for the first time will do a good initial job of dropping the humidity).. I don't feel that the amount of humidity in the air that would "penetrate" the inside wood bores would be that much as to be classified as a "shock".... the disassembled pipes will be at room temperature... so I don't expect moisture to condense on the wood...and be any danger of moisture being absorbed in rapidly... You might choose to regulate how long the pipes would be exposed to the humid environment by opening the door after 5, 10, 15, etc. minutes each successive day... but not necessary, in my opinion.... ======= Then I agree with Stu's final recommendation but a wee bit slower.... when you do start playing the set of pipes.... go through a blow-in, break-in procedure... Five minutes of playing the first day..... six minutes the second day (or after some decent gentle absorbtion/adjustment evaporation period).... and so on until you reach about 1/2 hour of playing time... and then increase by five minutes of time.... (Roddy MacLellan recommends a similar blow-in for his newly made/delivered/bored out pipes...and, if I remember correctly, after any long period of inactivity) Sincere best wishes... on the preservation of your pipes.. It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Stuart Hall wrote: > In article <81cgii$374$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "lf1" wrote: > > >The pipes are between 5 and 15 years old - at least. They have been kept in > >a very dry basement at a school in Denmark with central heating, so they are > >very dry! > > I might be a little leary of doing the shower method. That air will have > nearly 100% relative humidity . . . not that breath doesn't, but it might > be kind of a shock for the first exposure to moisture. > > Not to start the old controversy again, but before they're exposed to much > moisture is the perfect time to oil them. IF you believe in oiling, that > is. Oil will penetrate dry wood better than moist wood. I recently got > hold of a 200-year-old set of pipes, and the first AND second things I did > to it? Oiling, with almond oil + vitamin E. > > Then, I broke them in by playing 5-10 minutes a day for the first week, > then adding 10 minutes a day for a couple of weeks. Of course, I really > didn't want them to crack, and they are cocus and not blackwood. But, my > treatment seems to have worked, so what can I say. > > :) > > Stuart - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 01:03:48 -0500 yes.... sorry...I was being flippant.... both are competent... both can be made to work...both sound in the same ballpark with some variations from maker to maker of pipes..... Wygents come in three flavors these days of increasing cost... Ezeedrones current models have an improved bass compared to originals...Iain Macey posted he is having a mini-sale on Ezee's. For me, Ezeedrones installed with less fuss slightly more often than the original Wygent Synthedrone (my experience with about a dozen installations of each)... You've got access to an instructor and fellow band members...see if you can get a friendly piper of each drone reed maker's pursuasion to let you try their set in your pipes...(without major adjustment, of course)... and make your own decision.... don't let us define your course... It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Rob&Erin wrote: > I have a question about drone reeds. I have had my pipes now for 2 months > and both my instructors have told me to start thinking about drone reeds. > My band instructor suggests ezedrone reed and my private instructor suggests > wygents. What does the news group suggest? > Rob - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipes from Scotland for sale Date: 24 Nov 1999 08:26:30 GMT LMFO!!!! So...let me get this right...... You call yourself "Buggerlugs" and you are selling, (quote) "Professional Bagpipe Sets by Bagpipes of Caledonia" (end quote) starting at $800 for an unmounted ebony set? I'm sure you'll be taken very seriously around here. Save it for the tourists, laddey Bill Carr Buggerlugs wrote: > Are you looking FOR > > Scottish Bagpipe music > Scottish made Bagpipes > > Direct from Scotland > > Visit > > HTTP://www.rikkis-musicshop.co.uk > > The best in Scotland! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Help re Piob.Society Proceedings recording copyright Date: 24 Nov 1999 10:23:24 -0000 The proceedings (conference) of the Piob.Society are recorded each year. The official recording is done to help writing the notes. Others, including myself, record the event for our own use, however I would like to make the tapes public but have hit upon a problem - copyright. My suggestion is to release the tapes in an un-edited form on a cost only, or maybe a small additional charge to cover admin costs. Nevertheless I still hit the problem of copyright. The whole thing seems daft to me, Piobaireachd is such a minority thing anyway and I doubt whether more than 20 copies would be released world wide, so what is the big deal? Can someone out there throw some light on UK and world-wide copyright. -- Peter Anderson - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 10:10:33 +0000 Hi, I'm setting up a piping directory as part of Duncan Soutar's links page. It will have the following catagories: Teachers / Pipebands / Piping Organisations And it will have subcategories for: North America / Europe / Australia - New Zealand. If anyone is interested in having their (name/band/org.) added to any of the categories email me and it will hopefully be up and running in a couple weeks. Simply provide the information you wish to appear on the page. Cheers, ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 12:20:35 GMT >Simply provide the information you wish to appear on the page. > I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:53:38 +0000 Your childishness never ceases to amaze me. Grow up... ALH On 24 Nov 1999, Bagpiip wrote: > >Simply provide the information you wish to appear on the page. > > > > I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast > buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". > TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) 1980 Sinclair chanter for sale Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:55:47 +0000 Perfect condition. Refurbished last week. 180 pounds. Email me if interested. - ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Thomas Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 08:44:50 -0500 Double negative, huh? Trying to tell us something? Crimmy Crum wrote: > kron players should not get first dibs on nothin > Iain Sherwood wrote in message - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Piob.Society Proceedings recording copyright Date: 24 Nov 1999 06:12:52 -0800 >Can someone out there throw some light on UK and world-wide >copyright. -- >Peter Anderson I can't throw any light on UK or WW copyright, but I can on US copyright, and it probably will be the same. I also don't know anything about the PS proceedings, but I assume that they are an official convening of a legal entity, like the meeting of the directors or shareholders of a corporation or the business meeting of a pipeband or a church. If this is wrong, don't read the rest of what I have to say. Copyright is intended to protect what is now called intellectual property embidied in a material form, such as a recording, book, painting, building, etc. It does not extend to ideas, principals, or proceedings unless they are contained in a work subject to copyright. There are many exemptions and exclusions, but the idea is that the commercial use of a copy of printed material or a sound recording deprives the author of the fruits of his labor. A proceeding is not a performance of a copywritten work. It is speech spoken into the air, and as long as you are dealing with your own recording, I don't see how anyone could claim claim copyright. Of course, your recording would be protected by copyright, and no one could use it without your permission, but that is another story. This is why, in many events in the US, such as dance reviews, concerts, and sports events, recording equipment is forbidden in the auditorium or arena. The sponsers of the event can not control the record, therefore, they prohibit the making of it. Another way of thinkning about it is, suppose you hired a public stenographer to attend and make a record of the event. That record would be yours, and no one could prohibit you from publishing or selling it. This is not legal advice, but practical advice. Play kamikaze. Go ahead with your project. If someone wants to sue you for royalties, you can bash it out in court. For the amount of money involved, this will be a losing proposition all around, so the effect of this will be merely to call their bluff. Good luck with your project. And no, I don't think that I will be in the market for a copy of your product. But it's a good idea, and who knows, maybe it will make you the next J.K.Rowling. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Farwell to Sicily Date: 24 Nov 1999 10:07:24 -0500 rigidex@my-deja.com wrote in article in Africa & then in > He was a very > knowledgeable/profound person, and strongly believed in the > sanctity of mankind. > Regards Sam Strathclyde. Hey Sam - Last I knew Hamish Henderson was very much alive, although he apparently isn't doing well these days. Did I miss his recent death? Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The History of Pipe Band Medleys in Competition Date: 24 Nov 1999 10:43:42 -0500 On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:41:40 GMT, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: > As much as I hate to admit this,I have to inform > all you pipers and drummers out there that the concept of > medley/selection of music, originated from the North East > ENGLISH Branch at that time of the SPBA in the early to mid > sixties. During the winter period (I believe it was a band called > Carmel from Manchester P.M. McGinn)introduced a 3 to 5 min > selection for indoor competitions and this was picked up on by the > SPBA as being more enjoyable than the choice of 3 MSRs for Joe Public > to listen to , and was introduced and developed as we have it today. > > Regards Sam Strathclyde The band was Mount Carmel ... they played in Grade 1 in the late 1960s / early 1970s. Jimmy McIntosh told me that he was P/M of the NCR Pipe Band (Grade 2) in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and that they won what was, to his knowledge, the first medley contest held under the auspices of the SPBA, in this case a branch indoor contest. The NCR band triumphed over the likes of Renfrew and other notable Grade 1 bands of the day. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 24 Nov 1999 17:24:23 GMT In article <81gach$eg9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > Alasdair Gillies is playing cane. He won the MSR in San Diego (G.S. McLennan contest) using a set of rockets. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 19:07:45 GMT >I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast >> buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". >> TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. Truth hurts eh? Oh but an honest person wouldn't make false claims, like "I'm filtering out bagpiip" and then keep reading anyways.... TY ALH, I just won a bet thanks to your reply. I prefer to buy my pipes from someone who at least PLAYS their own product! This tells everyone how much you believe in the product you sell. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 19:21:31 GMT >>I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast >>> buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". >>> TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. > Just for the record, I unfiltered him for the duration of this thread to win my bet. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 12:09:35 -0800 Bill, why do you insist on slamming people whose work you don't even know? Or is your life so meaningless that you exist only to vent nagativity at a world which has done you wrong? What the fuck is your problem? and, like, Atherton is a player? Give it a rest. IS "Bagpiip" wrote in message news:19991124140745.04415.00000019@ng-fv1.aol.com... > >I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast > >> buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". > >> TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. > > Truth hurts eh? > Oh but an honest person wouldn't make false claims, like "I'm filtering out > bagpiip" and then keep reading anyways.... TY ALH, I just won a bet thanks to > your reply. > I prefer to buy my pipes from someone who at least PLAYS their own product! > This tells everyone how much you believe in the product you sell. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MSR - dump it from band competition? Date: 24 Nov 1999 12:49:12 -0800 Solos: Marches: Arthur Bignold, Leaving Lunga, 74ths Farewell to Edinburgh, Atholl Highlanders March to Loch Katrine, Donald Dewar's Welcome to San José*, Brig. Ronald Cheape, John Morrison of Assynt House, Raasay House Strathspeys: Ewe Wi' the Crookit Horn, Arniston Castle, Bogan Lochan, Atholl Cummers, Caledonian Society of London, Susan MacLeod, Beatrice Mackintosh*, Colin MacNab* Reels: Dolina MacKay, Don Manson's, John Morrison of Assynt House, Mrs. MacPherson of Inveran, The Little Cascade, Thompson's Dirk , Johnson's Tug*, Caillich Oichdhe* *wrote or wrote parts As was said most strongly in the latest issue of 'The Piping Times', the level of tunes as played at the World's is most deplorable - even though the article's author decried the Medley tunes as unmusical, I think he also should have mentioned the lack of originality in the MSR. If I have to hear The Highland Wedding or LAK in an MSR again I'll kill something. Grade I invariably play only three or four tunes for each category - and this is in a field of twenty or more bands. Time to come up with more spread of tunes in the sets. Perhaps, also, the MSR's day is coming to a close for band competition. Certainly the individual player has much more of a challenge - submitting a tune list and the judges picking the set - and the MSR is much more suited to solo playing - better expression and phrasing throughout. Band MSRs sound extremely mechanical, especially some of the 'stripped-down' versions heard today. The medley, while full of 'wind-up' tunes, at least offers the opportunity for bands to be creative in their selections, and a better representation of the band's playing ability is more forthcoming from the medley. After all, they finally dumped compulsories from figure skaiting a few years ago...maybe it's time to dump the MSR from band competition IS "Crimmy Crum" wrote in message news:LKi_3.21$f5.917@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > just a question for you pipers out there, > > if given the option to play any march, strathspey, and a reel in a band > what would it be and why? > > same for the solo pipers, if you could pick your own msr, what would it be > and why? > > thanks, > > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: tune search Date: 24 Nov 1999 16:19:43 -0500 Men Of The West is in either Walton's Tutor or in the Walsh/Allan collection of Irish Tunes for the Scottish and irish Warpipes. FWIW, the tune is also known as Rosin the Bow, Acres of Clams, For Lincoln and Liberty Too, and maybe more titles I'm not aware of... The others - I don't know. I wouldn't normally think of them as pipe tunes. Stephen O'Gorman wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get the music (piping) for the following tunes? > > If you're Irish, come into the parlour. > > Mc Namara's band. > > The girl I left behind me. > > The liberty tree. > > The men of the west. > > Stephen O'Gorman, > Drum Sergeant, > Irish Air Corps Pipes & Drums. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lyric search Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:07:16 -0800 I have seen the lyrics of about half the tunes on the www. You just have to look for them. Try Taylor's Traditional Tune Book, British and American Folk Tunes, and there is a very good German site that I have forgotton the name of. Sorry, but I don't have the URLs. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lyric search Date: 24 Nov 1999 18:15:16 -0400 Ccc31807 wrote: Jeff wrote: > Looking for lyrics to > 1 Brown Haired Maiden > 2 Kevins Polka > 3 Sweeney's Polka > 4 Going Home > 5 By Cool Siloams Shady Rill > 6 Barron Rocks of Aden > 7 O For A closer Walk With God > 8 The Herding Song > 9 The Green Hills Of Tyrol > 10 The River Aora > I have seen the lyrics of about half the tunes on the www. You just > have to look for them. Try Taylor's Traditional Tune Book, British and > American Folk Tunes, and there is a very good German site that I have > forgotton the name of. Sorry, but I don't have the URLs. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Also, if you watch the movie "Woodstock" you can probably pick up the lyrics to "Going Home" if you can figure out what Alvin Lee is saying (mostly "going home - see my baby" alot) - it was originally recorded by Helicopter ("Ellycawpta"), but of course the lyrics are no longer in Dvorak's original Czech language. Doug C. always happy to help. speaking of going home.... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Farwell to Sicily Date: 24 Nov 1999 13:41:53 -0900 James Stewart wrote: > Yes. > The historyof that tune has been much discussed here recently. One > school of thought claims that the tune is some two hundred years old and was > written in honor of the Creek Indians Of course, there is asolutely no evidence for that theory... > and the other school of though clims > that the tune was writtenin the middle of the twentieth centry. Farewell to the Creeks was written by Pipe Major James Robertson of the Gordon Highlanders in Limerick in the year 1919, according to information from The Gordon Highlanders Pipe Music Collection Vol. II. A section in the book devoted to Pipe Major Robertson contains the following anecdote: "...he rejoined the 1st Battalion in Limerick in 1919, and it was here that he composed "Farewell to the Creeks" in memory of the creeks and inlets around the Banffshire sea coast where he had been brought up. He took over as Pipe Major of the battalion from his friend GS (MacLennan) to whom he once showed his composition. GS was very impressed with it and was about to congratulate him when Robbie, leaning over his shoulder, demonstrated how he got one part of the tune by "diddling" another part backwards! GS looked up cpmpletely staggered and said "I always knew you were more cute than musical!" I don't think there's any doubt about who wrote the tune, or when it was written. Regards, Michael - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 24 Nov 1999 22:00:47 GMT > whose work you don't even know? Ahh but I do! >and, like, Atherton is a player? He can play. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Farwell to Sicily Date: 24 Nov 1999 20:26:42 -0500 rigidex@my-deja.com wrote in article > > I think you mean "the > > sanctity of human life" don't you? > > Cheers, > > Paul Gretton > Yes I would agree that is better put Sam. Sam - Thanks for the note about Hamish Henderson's recent death. Hopefully Scotland understands the enormity of the loss. I'd appreciate any further information you can direct me to - recent newspaper articles, obituaries, etc. I've been looking for years now for a copy of the out-of-print "Elegy for the Dead at Cyrenica", but without luck. Perhaps Hamish's death will result in a few of his works appearing back in print. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 25 Nov 1999 02:13:09 GMT >I don't think EZ's are an inferior product to Wygent, see Chris Hamilton's >comment earlier in the thread. He's a respected authority on the NG who can >play..... and isn't selling any product. If you look at the construction of them, you'll see what I mean. As far as manufacturing goes, Wygents are WAY superior. You can tell that just by looking at them. (Here I'm talking about the original Synthedrones, not the new stuff.) 1.) Wygents have a thoughtfully-designed reedseat, which is plenty long and nicely tapered. EZs don't, and they used to come with that crappy black plastic stuff on them. Maybe they still do. Pain. 2.) Wygent reedbodies don't swell up; EZs do, esp in the screw area. 3.) Wygent tongues attach much more sensibly to the reedbody; EZs have that great big useless band of stuff around it. When you get beyond these factors, all you're left with is the tongue and the bridle. Which are to all intents and purposes identical except that the EZ tongue is clear and the Wygent tongue is black. Which brings us to sound. Out of the box, I found EZs easier to play initially than Wygents. If you know what you're doing, you can get good tone from either EZs or Wygents. From an aftermarket standpoint (ie after they've been retongued), there's *NO* difference in sound. One of my experimental sets consists of one EZ tenor and one Wygent tenor body, I forget what the bass is. *NO* difference in sound. Competently set-up, both EZ and Wygent sound fine. I just find Wygents much easier to work with, and for my money they're made better. My reeds don't even qualify as a cottage industry about now, more of a custom thing/ hobby/ niche market. Besides, you have to send me a set of synthetics so I can retongue them. heck of a way to do business. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) double spacing? yuch! Date: 24 Nov 1999 21:24:36 -0500 Uh, gang? my recent response to the newsgroup came out doublespaced when it arrived in my newsgroup browser... this, of course, wastes a lot of screen space and one person printing it out complained to me about it taking a lot of print space, too...I agree. BUT... whudideyedo? can anyone offer me a clue so I don't "sin" again> Who knows how this one is going to come out... (I am using Netscape 4.7 on Windows 98... and prodigy ISP) Thanks in advance.. Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MSR - dump it from band competition? Date: 25 Nov 1999 03:08:09 GMT >> Good Post! I think your saying the same thing many Solo competiters are, >> Lets Play some NEW music. It's wonderful to hear the standards played true >> to form or with a slight variation to bring the music out. The challange >is >> that if the judge does not know it your sunk. A student of mine played a >> Murray Blair march for her first Solo, I encouraged her to do so becouse >you >> should love the tune your going to play >> 1500 times until you get it just right. The only comment on her score >> sheet was that she should play a standard tune for the competition. She did >> not score well that day. > >Sounds to me like you got a very bad judge. Most are more open-minded to new >tunes. I always pick the tune I don't know; it keeps my day interesting. If >I >think it's a bad tune, you'll read it on the scoresheet. If you play a >classic >well, I'll still enjoy it and credit your skill. It's a performing >competition, >not a composing competition. >Jim My experience comes from watching and listening to my daughters performances (3 1st places, and one third) but my understanding is that a good judge will listen to a tune, and if he or she hears something different (dblings, grace notes etc) they've never heard before, they will listen to see if it's repeated a second time, if not then they know it was a mistake and not a different setting. Are there judges who only judge what they want to hear? This is an honest question. Were kinda green here, so anyone who'd like to respond privately please do so, because I'm very interested in any opinions on the subject. TIA Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 25 Nov 1999 03:09:13 GMT > Any Thoughts? > Apples to oranges. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MSR - dump it from band competition? Date: 25 Nov 1999 03:17:51 GMT >well said jim, but you still picked the wrong tune for m in maxville!!!!lo Only because he wanted you to be in your proper category. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann Pipes For Sale - Half Set Date: 24 Nov 1999 19:47:25 -0800 Remiken wrote: > > I'll givew you 1,500.oo US Dollars for them. A 'D' chanter and only 2 drones, $1,500 Sounds more than fair. I see Half sets selling from $1250-$1500 NEW. My set with 4 Drones and 2 Regs is $2750.00 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 25 Nov 1999 03:47:38 GMT On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:57:03 GMT, "Savage Piper" wrote: >> The article is about 99.99% certain to be completely bogus. >> >And no Royce...it wasn't bogus. And you call *me* "monkey." You're right. It was in print. It has to be true. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MSR - dump it from band competition? Date: 24 Nov 1999 19:48:25 -0800 "M.R. Rapp" wrote in message news:383c9558@news.goes.com... > > Good Post! I think your saying the same thing many Solo competiters are, > Lets Play some NEW music. It's wonderful to hear the standards played true > to form or with a slight variation to bring the music out. The challange is > that if the judge does not know it your sunk. A student of mine played a > Murray Blair march for her first Solo, I encouraged her to do so becouse you > should love the tune your going to play > 1500 times until you get it just right. The only comment on her score > sheet was that she should play a standard tune for the competition. She did > not score well that day. > > This is a really unfortunate example of inept judging - especially because a judge should NEVER criticise a choice of tune because he's unfamiliar with it - such behaviour shows the judge's lack of expertise. A judge should be able to discern the melody line of ANY tune, and where and what type of embellishments should be played in it. Most judges look to much for execution rather than expression these days, which has fostered the 'windup' style of playing - very mechanical and uninspired - so popular among younger players. Playing an unfamiliar tune MAY put a competitor out of the money, but if it does, it should only be because the tune was played badly - i.e. the judge couldn't make out the flow of the tune due to poor playing. A good tune, known or unknown, should be able to stand on the merits of its composition and the player's interpretation. If the judge can't discern these two elements he has no business being in the chair. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 25 Nov 1999 03:42:35 GMT On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:16:04 GMT, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: >Anyone know anybody of note who is using 'duatones', I'd be interested in an >objective opinion? Sounds as though they are worth a try but surely Wygent >would have sent them to Mr Livingstone for an assessment since he's the best >player using his current product. I find that a bit funny in light of the constant bristlings of John Mitchell and many others regarding some other reeds and products. The things are scarcely out in the marketplace, how many great players could even have had a chance to see them, much less play them and take them on the road for a try out? Having said that, I know Mark Wygent and his ear and his product, and even though I haven't heard or seen them, if Mark spent all this time improving his already state-of-the-art design and tone, then these have to be significantly better than anything thing else. I have *one* exception, and that is the Mark Lee Solid Rocket Boosters, which are custom made for each set of pipes. I can imagine the tone being as good on either, but Lee has the versatility to bring out whatever you need to from your drones, and they *do not blow shut* when your reed opens up and gets big, the headroom on those things is enormous, without losing or using extra air. What that means, is once you start out in the rain, they don't shut of even when physically wet, and when your chanter gets hard and open, you don't lose the drones in competition at the end of a cold rainy day. Where Wygent has the advantage is in the one-size-fits-all market as in bands or large group use, because it's an optimized, generic design that works well just about everywhere. They also have *when set up properly* a high resistance to moisture shutoff. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipes from Scotland for sale Date: 25 Nov 1999 01:04:17 -0800 Bill Carr wrote: > > LMFO!!!! > > So...let me get this right...... > > You call yourself "Buggerlugs" and you are selling, (quote) > "Professional Bagpipe Sets by Bagpipes of Caledonia" (end quote) > starting at $800 for an unmounted ebony set? > > I'm sure you'll be taken very seriously around here. > > Save it for the tourists, laddey > > Bill Carr > > Buggerlugs wrote: > > > Are you looking FOR > > > > Scottish Bagpipe music > > Scottish made Bagpipes > > > > Direct from Scotland > > > > Visit > > > > HTTP://www.rikkis-musicshop.co.uk > > > > The best in Scotland! But he says they are the Best in Scotland! I wonder if they are better than those great Hardies. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 25 Nov 1999 04:14:40 GMT In article <81hj7b$cio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <81h700$33b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > markalee@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <81gach$eg9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > > tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > > Alasdair Gillies is playing cane. > > > > He won the MSR in San Diego (G.S. McLennan contest) using a set of > > rockets. > > > > Mark > > > > Can we get that confirmed by Alasdair? I know he has a set but I think > he is still on cane for competing. Nope. Rockets were used in San Diego. Just email or call him if you're that curious about it. He's not going to make an announcement to the NG just for your benefit. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Competition Bass Date: 25 Nov 1999 01:11:12 -0800 Hi All, Why arent bass drummers allowed to flourish during competition? Our Bass drummer has been drumming for 40 years, and he use to compete when their was bass drum competitions and he is very good. But he tells me he cant use the smaller sticks during competition, he has to use these fat 'elephant tampons' for drum sticks. Thanks, Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 25 Nov 1999 11:36:29 +0000 On 24 Nov 1999, Bagpiip wrote: > >I'd like to see "Soutars pipes suck, and ALH is only doing it to make a fast > >> buck, since he doesn't even PLAY Soutar pipes". > >> TY, I'll look forward to seeing that there. > > Truth hurts eh? > Oh but an honest person wouldn't make false claims, like "I'm filtering out > bagpiip" and then keep reading anyways.... TY ALH, I just won a bet thanks to > your reply. An honest person like *yourself*? - Spare me... > I prefer to buy my pipes from someone who at least PLAYS their own product! > This tells everyone how much you believe in the product you sell. I can't afford a second bagpipe - perhaps you want to buy one for me? BTW I'm selling my beloved Sinclair chanter to buy a wooden Soutar. Do you want to buy it? Bill. You're a twit. -ALH > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) New Links Page Date: 25 Nov 1999 11:41:01 +0000 The catagories will be: Tutors/performers - Pipebands - Piping organisations This will cover Europe / N.America / Australia - New Zealand. If you wish to be added email me and I'll be happy to include you. -ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 25 Nov 1999 12:48:00 GMT >Bill. You're a twit. Happy thanksgiving! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Date: 25 Nov 1999 19:20:13 GMT On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:09:01 -0000, "Christopher Eyre" wrote: >I have also added the latest two tunes to come in. The last one, No.25, is >very interesting in that it is the first one that has been recorded using >the stereo mike on a cam-corder. Compare it to the same player playing in >the same conditions but using a portable tape-recorder, (No.21). The >difference is quite remarkable. Should be. Your basic beta hi-fi or highband 8mm or even vhs hi-fi is a CD quality medium. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Competition Bass Date: 25 Nov 1999 14:25:41 GMT In a previous article, Mike Le Boeuf wrote: >Hi All, >Why arent bass drummers allowed to flourish during competition? >Our Bass drummer has been drumming for 40 years, and he use to compete >when their was bass drum competitions and he is very good. But he tells >me he cant use the smaller sticks during competition, he has to use >these fat 'elephant tampons' for drum sticks. >Thanks, >Mike Because flourishing is just the thin edge of the wedge -- if you let them do that, next they'll want to dance ! chris - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page for Tutors / Pipebands / Piping Organisations Date: 25 Nov 1999 23:38:40 GMT >why dont all three of you smarten up Look whose talking, the idiot of the NG... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Double tongued drone reeds Date: 26 Nov 1999 01:05:25 GMT >I don't know, but double tonguing cane reeds sounds, well, remarkably, erm, >sort of vaguely suggestive, can't think why, something in the dim and >distant past I think. Her name was Monica. O how quickly we forget.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM Date: 26 Nov 1999 01:01:38 GMT >The only person that I know that can play both the bagpipes and the drums at >the professional level here on the west coast is James Troy Jr. You might >want to try and get hold of him... > One of the Bells is both a drummer and piper, but more of a drummer. I believe it's Gordon...he's a drumming judge and is supposed to be a good piper as well but I don't know his specifics. The EUSPBA website has an address book that he might be listed in. And Donald Lindsay plays drums also, but I don't know how well or at what level. According to a recent article in the EUSPBA Voice, he learned how to play drums so he could teach drumming in addition to piping at his school. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 26 Nov 1999 03:55:28 GMT On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:15:03 GMT, "Savage Piper" wrote: > >Royce Lerwick wrote in message >news:383cb0bc.1790829@news.mn.mediaone.net... >> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:57:03 GMT, "Savage Piper" >> wrote: >> >> >> The article is about 99.99% certain to be completely bogus. >> >> >> >And no Royce...it wasn't bogus. >> >> And you call *me* "monkey." You're right. It was in print. It has to >> be true. >> >> Royce > >Actually (you dumb tit) I know the funeral home he was resting at and >another Funeral home owner that helped on the funeral due to the size of >it...so ...bite me monkey boy. >Tim So naturally we'll pick out of all that litany of bogus urban legend material the *one* fable that *you* claim is true, and by your assertion alone we can rest assured it's correct. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: GHB For Sale Date: 25 Nov 1999 20:02:54 -0800 The Mann wrote: > > Unless they're gold plated, this is a ridiculous amount. > > In article , > jdscott@ieee.org wrote: > > Gillander and McLeod pipes, full mounted silver and ivory. $3000 > > > > -- > "I'll out-pipe you anyday" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Brand New they would cost around that price. Wholesale is around $2500.00 or $2800. I think its a good price, but unfortunatly trying to find someone to pay full price is hard. When you gold plate them, jack the price up another $1500.00 Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Bass Date: 25 Nov 1999 20:00:37 -0800 meek@skyway.usask.ca wrote: > > In a previous article, Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > >Hi All, > >Why arent bass drummers allowed to flourish during competition? > >Our Bass drummer has been drumming for 40 years, and he use to compete > >when their was bass drum competitions and he is very good. But he tells > >me he cant use the smaller sticks during competition, he has to use > >these fat 'elephant tampons' for drum sticks. > >Thanks, > >Mike > Because flourishing is just the thin edge of the wedge -- if you > let them do that, next they'll want to dance ! > chris Well, if he really wants too, but I doubt he would go that far. Ive seen it, and I dont like that.. But I think if the bass drummer does 'almost' what he wants, it often is a crowd pleaser, and it also gets some of the pipers motivated. (I think). I am not just saying the basic frourishing, our drummer really gets into it, hitting opposite sides on each beat (Even in a fast hornpipe), Going Under the Bass drum and hitting the other side, and he can even hike up his leg and hit the other side (He really Shouldnt!). But I think it helps the band overall. Same with tenors. If you have a good tenor core, that realy helps, and sounds good. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Double tongued drone reeds Date: 25 Nov 1999 23:43:57 -0500 Hi... for me, this is a thought experiment... Double tongueing cane reeds... The goal?.... being able to produce the same/greater level of sound with less air? blowing pressure? Producing a blended pitch tone? i.e. different/better quality/characteristic of drone sound? Is the increased variability in pitch of this type of reed...due to greater sensitivity to changes in pressure of the player...worth the effort?....especially for the typical unsteady blower at the lower competitive levels? (one of my old instructors...when his old cane reed seemed to have given out... regularly glued the old tongue down and split the other side and got a "new" drone reed... I seem to remember another of my instructors in casual conversation saying that double tongued cane reeds had been tried... but I don't remember particulars) ====== Some possible difficulties? If you cut, split, or bridled the tongues to different length... wouldn't the action of each tongue produce a different pitch in your drone... Wouldn't this different pitch happen also if you cut the tongue to different depths into the reed body.... If the cane wasn't uniform and the tongues were, because of lack of uniformity, different weights... wouldn't this also cause different pitches... Wouldn't this different pitch or quality of sound also happen if you pried open the tongues to different opening heights... You gather, I think that this might be a very inconsistent product... ======== So... maybe we need to be able to adjust the pitch/quality of sound/opening of the tongues independently?... but that would be difficult if they were cut exactly parallel...from the same starting level on the reed In a conversation with a fellow rmmb member... he suggested cutting them in reverse directions... one regular ... one inverted tongue... maybe then you could get a start on empirically adjust the tongues to the same pitch and sound producing quality...except I'm getting a headache figuring out how to set up the bridles without fouling the "other" tongue. ===== I would expect that the production procedures with the Duatones would reduce the variability in the tongue settings and characteristics... but would the variability still be there to some extent? But these questions would still give more weight to not messing around with the "factory" bridle settings and also not messing around cranking the tongues wider...unequally... instead of, properly as recommended, using the screw to adjust pitch. ======= Another question....is it possible, especially with cane tongues, that after absorbing a certain amount of moisture....or if the two tongues have different tongue opening strength... that during playing....ONE tongue slams shut... before both tongues slam shut? Would this produce a perceptibly different sound in the middle of a competiton performance in front of a judge and be marked down...perhaps as a drone stopping? === sorry, John... no answers.... just some questions arising in my mind...triggered by your topic...Hope and looking forward to the other members of the newsgroup contributing their experiences.... BTW... I am excited, have just received...and this Thanksgiving weekend getting some spare time... am generating my personal experiences with both the SyntheDrone2 and Duatones... Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving... as nationalistically applicable in your situation... It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > Ok so here it is, if someone has gone to all the trouble of "inventing" > double tongued plastic drone reeds, with this seductive sound, has anyone > else thought about double tongued cane ones? would/does it work? would they > take too much air? would they play at all? will I have time to try this out > at the weekend? If anyone else has tried it I am sure that I would not be > the only one to be interested in the results and hopefully before I ruin > some perfectly good cane reeds ;~) ;~) ;~) > > I don't know, but double tonguing cane reeds sounds, well, remarkably, erm, > sort of vaguely suggestive, can't think why, something in the dim and > distant past I think. > > Slainte > > John B - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM Date: 25 Nov 1999 20:05:19 -0800 Robert N MacLeod wrote: > > The only person that I know that can play both the bagpipes and the drums at > the professional level here on the west coast is James Troy Jr. You might > want to try and get hold of him... > > Robert N. MacLeod > SFUPB > > wrote in message news:81kgs4$b02$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > This post is directed to those who play the pipes and drums. > > I am currently learning to play the snare in order to compete in solos > > this summer. I also play the pipes in a high grade and am working > > toward becoming open in hopefully 3 years or so. Now this is my > > concern. I have heard some people say that playing the snare does not > > do a whole lot of good to the tendons in your arms that are used to > > play the pipes. In other words playing the snare might mess up my > > piping ability. Is this true??? I would appreciate it if I could get > > posts from those out there who play pipes at a high level and who > > are persuing the drums. I would like to see if anyone has experienced > > a drop in playing ability on the pipes due to playing drums. > > > > Sean Buchta > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. So can Liza McAdams, she is with the Prince Charley band, she use to teach our drummers untill they moved back to Russia. But she was also a good piper. MIke - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM Date: 26 Nov 1999 01:36:10 -0800 remember that Bruce Topp was Open BC piping AND drumming champion in in 1968... IS "Robert N MacLeod" wrote in message news:oBk%3.7283$I5.57291@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com... > The only person that I know that can play both the bagpipes and the drums at > the professional level here on the west coast is James Troy Jr. You might > want to try and get hold of him... > > Robert N. MacLeod > SFUPB > > wrote in message news:81kgs4$b02$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > This post is directed to those who play the pipes and drums. > > I am currently learning to play the snare in order to compete in solos > > this summer. I also play the pipes in a high grade and am working > > toward becoming open in hopefully 3 years or so. Now this is my > > concern. I have heard some people say that playing the snare does not > > do a whole lot of good to the tendons in your arms that are used to > > play the pipes. In other words playing the snare might mess up my > > piping ability. Is this true??? I would appreciate it if I could get > > posts from those out there who play pipes at a high level and who > > are persuing the drums. I would like to see if anyone has experienced > > a drop in playing ability on the pipes due to playing drums. > > > > Sean Buchta > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: GHB For Sale Date: 26 Nov 1999 12:56:51 GMT > Brand New they would cost around that price. Wholesale is around > $2500.00 or $2800. That is correct - for immitation ivory. REAL ivory runs much higher. And yes, there are at few (at least one, anyway) that can still make real, legal elephant ivory fittings. > I think its a good price, but unfortunatly trying to find someone to pay > full price is hard. When you gold plate them, jack the price up another > $1500.00 Plating? Another $1500? That's nuts! Not that I am saying that someone wouldn't charge that nuch, just that someone would be nuts to PAY it! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Piob.Society Proceedings recording copyright Date: 26 Nov 1999 13:04:04 -0000 Many thanks for your reply, The proceedings is really a conference type of thing with learned people giving lectures and more often than not pipers/singers etc will give a performance to illustrate certain points. I realise that all of the performers are tied in one shape or another to recording companies or a recording contract of some sort. I agree that common sense should be the prevailing factor and I am sure that the performers would be willing to sign something to release them from copyright. If is ok with you I will print off your remarks and ensure that they are brought to the attention of the next committee meeting due to held on 14th December. Thank you once again for your help. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The History of Pipe Band Medleys in Competition Date: 26 Nov 1999 10:49:09 -0500 On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:26:53 GMT, rigidex@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > Hi Chris Hamilton & Hi to Chris Eyre. > > > Yes, I have to say you are both correct with your updates. > I ran it by the people that I had spoke to on the subject, > and was informed " I that's right son, I remember noo,it wis > McMinn and no McGinn," Thanks to you both. Hi Sam, In that same vein, I recall reading (in the P&D maybe) that the first official RSPBA full-band medley contest for the Worlds was in 1970, and was won by Shotts & Dykehead under Tom MacAllister Jr. Their opener was the evergreen "Hills of Alva". I would like to see, and I think we are seeing to some degree, a revival of some of the classic tunes in the medleys. Particularly for medley openers and finishers, the order-of-the-day is a round / square hornpipe / marchpipe. Unfortunately, that leaves lots of great tunes off the list. I like the way Boghall and NZ Police in 1998 played marches on ... good stuff and not afraid to buck the trend. (Of course both played hornpipes this year, but as they were totally bitchin' cool tunes, that's okay). Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD'S Date: 26 Nov 1999 11:09:11 -0800 new Fred Morrison, World's, LAScots, John Partanen, Chris Armstrong - 2nd album out in January, Masters of Piobaireachd vol.II "STEPHEN PANNONE" wrote in message news:81l3ca$6cne$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com... > I need some new music...What can you recommend?? I hear Niagara pipe band > had a good CD?? > > > thanks > steve > > > . - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:18:15 GMT I found this photo in a local mag. http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/beth.jpg The caption reeds "One of the many bagpipe bands taking part in the Christmas parade in Bethlehem, Israel, Jan 6th 98." I guess they would be a Palestinian band. Perhaps a Scout band? Notice the angle of the drones, the finger placement and the cut off gloves. Cheers Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:48:32 GMT Chris Hamilton wrote: > Hmm, the guy in the P/M slot looks a lot like Bill Livingstone ... and > I'm sure that's Lindsay Kirkwood in the P/S position. > > Chris .......and Isn't that Bagpipp Bill hiding behind front/centre piper? :-) I heard the P/M was a very hard teacher in this band. Every time they make a crossing noise or miss a grip they get slammed across the knuckles with a Rosewood PC with very sharp tin pot alloy mount. Hence the bandaged hands. BC - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 26 Nov 1999 13:48:17 -0500 On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:45:11 GMT, montyp34@hotmail.com (montyp34) wrote: >Are the Lee Rockets available online anywhere? >If so, please post the url or ordering info. They're not being sold commercially. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 16:33:20 -0500 On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:48:32 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >Chris Hamilton wrote: > >> Hmm, the guy in the P/M slot looks a lot like Bill Livingstone ... and >> I'm sure that's Lindsay Kirkwood in the P/S position. >> >> Chris > >.......and Isn't that Bagpipp Bill hiding behind front/centre piper? >:-) > >I heard the P/M was a very hard teacher in this band. Every time they make >a crossing noise or miss a grip they get slammed across the knuckles with >a Rosewood PC with very sharp tin pot alloy mount. Hmm, I think more like in this band, every time the DON'T make a crossing noise or HIT a grip they get slammed ... Chris (formerly P/M Yusef X. Al-Akbar) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 14:53:12 -0500 On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:18:15 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >I found this photo in a local mag. > >http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/beth.jpg > > >The caption reeds "One of the many bagpipe bands taking part in the >Christmas parade in Bethlehem, Israel, Jan 6th 98." > >I guess they would be a Palestinian band. Perhaps a Scout band? > >Notice the angle of the drones, the finger placement and the cut off >gloves. Hmm, the guy in the P/M slot looks a lot like Bill Livingstone ... and I'm sure that's Lindsay Kirkwood in the P/S position. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 26 Nov 1999 12:04:36 -0500 Madman speak da truth ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 22:45:50 GMT >I found this photo in a local mag. > >http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/beth.jpg > Is it just me, or do these guys LOOK like they're hurting their own ears? They look to be in severe pain, and the longer I looked at it the more it hurt my ears. ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD'S Date: 26 Nov 1999 23:30:45 GMT >for the traditional pieces, niagara's cd is very well done and quite >pleasing to listen to Plugging your own band? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Christmas in Betlehem Date: 26 Nov 1999 22:49:19 GMT >.......and Isn't that Bagpipp Bill hiding behind front/centre piper? >:-) > Shiiiiite! I'm busted. I was keeping silent because I haven't been offically voted in yet. Ali Ahkbar the P/M said to "keep silent until we vote, you insilite dog". Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM Date: 26 Nov 1999 21:05:55 -0800 next the world Champs will be from Paraguay.... "DicksonDL" wrote in message news:19991126232450.10346.00000640@ng-cq1.aol.com... > Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > << So can Liza McAdams, she is with the Prince Charley band, she use to > teach our drummers untill they moved back to Russia. But she was also a > good piper. > MIke >> > > Why did your drummers move back to Russia? Why were they from Russia to begin > with? > > Pipes made in Pakistan, drummers from Russia. What next? Highland dancers from > Afghanistan? > > Duane > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 26 Nov 1999 19:58:38 -0800 kubbie wrote: > > please help me , thanks ! Sure. I can get you a nice Sheesham wood bagpipe with Aluminum mounts. $200.00 - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Tubbs" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttles & Guitar Date: 26 Nov 1999 20:57:10 -0800 I've never gotten quick at moving to the necessary F#m needed on the guitar with many pipe/Celtic tunes, so I now just slide a capo up one interval and play everything with "G" fingerings. Works very well for me ;-) Bill George's Music wrote in message news:383A4A6D.980E5DBC@pgonline.com... > We jam a lot with the shuttles and guitar. We've found that the reels > and jigs work best. Pick tunes in the key of D. Slow tunes like Dark > Isle work nicely as well. Have the piper minimize the embellishments as > well. > > thanks, George > > -- > George's Music > http://www.pgonline.com/georgemusic > 7098 Guleph Crescent > Prince George, B.C. > Canada > V2N 3P1 > Phone/Fax 250-964-7035 > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) T-Shirts... Reduced Date: 26 Nov 1999 22:52:24 GMT I've got some piping T-shirts left, and Xmas is coming. I'd like to turn them into cash, and at the same time they make a cool Xmas gift for the piper (or spouse) on your list. The price is now $15 US, down from $17, and that includes shipping via Priority Mail in the US. Overseas is slightly more. Not all sizes in all shirts, so here's the sizes I have available... Funeral: XL, XXL, XXXL (Bagpipes: putting the "fun" back in Funeral) Zudupiper: M,XL (fictional pipe shop products) Eat/Sleep/Pipe...What else is there?: XL "I'm married to a piper...Someone has to wear the pants in the family!":M,L,XL "I'm married to a piper...Can you speak a little louder?": M,L,XL "Piobaireachd: if you can't SAY it, you can't PLAY it!": S,XL All shirts are 100% cotton preshrunk Hanes Beefy-Tees. Front left chest has a small bagpipe logo, and the wording is on the back. Grey shirts, except Funeral and one of the Spouse shirts (off white), and Zudupiper (khaki). Email me privately. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dicksondl@aol.com (DicksonDL) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM Date: 27 Nov 1999 04:24:50 GMT Mike Le Boeuf wrote: << So can Liza McAdams, she is with the Prince Charley band, she use to teach our drummers untill they moved back to Russia. But she was also a good piper. MIke >> Why did your drummers move back to Russia? Why were they from Russia to begin with? Pipes made in Pakistan, drummers from Russia. What next? Highland dancers from Afghanistan? Duane - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Source for Gilmours Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:26:48 -0500 Hi ... I got my Gilmours from Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply haven't started trying them out yet.. It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Source for Mark Lee Rockets Date: 27 Nov 1999 01:37:39 -0500 Hi... I got mine from direct contact with Mark Lee via e-mail markalee@my-deja.com Let him know: Your year and make of pipes (drones)...he has some typical performance characteristic profiles on file. Let him know: the pitch of your A...or describe as best you can... maybe chanter maker would substitute.. Let him know your blowing strength...ideally in inches of water on a manometer or easy, medium, hard will get him in the ball park. and your phone number... then follow Mark's guidance... he often calls you to fine tune what he will be making for you...very kind over the phone... he makes them one set at a time... about one day per set... I don't know what the current lead time is... (and as of today....he has material to make drone reeds to match medium and greater strength blowers... and obtaining material to make the easier strengths is imminent...) cheers... It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 27 Nov 1999 07:41:36 -0500 On 27 Nov 1999 02:55:24 GMT, bmbobinski@aol.com (Bernard J. Bobinski) wrote: >Dear NG, > > Here are a couple of questions for the veteran solo pipers - > >1. What style of Reel should be played in the Strathspey/Reel Competition >for >Grade III? A Hold and Cut style Reel or a Straight Flowing (Jig Style) Reel. A hold and cut reel is *generally* much more appropriate for a solo contest or a band MSR contest. >2. What would be considered appropriate tunes to play in Grade III - > > 2/4 March > 6/8 March > Piobraireachd > Strathspey/Reel Anything you can play well would be appropriate. You'll have to be honest with yourself. If you can't properly exectue a given tune, keep it out of your competition repertoire. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bogart@centuryinter.net (Lloyd Bogart) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 27 Nov 1999 09:17:11 -0500 In article <383F56EE.2C7B@worldnet.att.net>, tedzter@worldnet.att.net wrote: > kubbie wrote: > > > > please help me , thanks ! > > Sure. > I can get you a nice Sheesham wood bagpipe with Aluminum mounts. > $200.00 What a swell, helpful guy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Links Page Date: 27 Nov 1999 16:11:27 +0000 Child... -ALH On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, The Mann wrote: > So its true you dont even play the brand your selling? Saying you can't > afford another set is bull. If they were any good you'd sell what your > playing and buy a set of sowtars. > Nothing worse than a dishonest dealer. > > In article , > Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > > > > The catagories will be: > > > > Tutors/performers - Pipebands - Piping organisations > > > > This will cover Europe / N.America / Australia - New Zealand. > > > > If you wish to be added email me and I'll be happy to include you. > > > > -ALH > > > > > > -- > "I'll out-pipe you anyday" > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex_young@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 27 Nov 1999 16:55:35 GMT In article <19991126215524.16766.00000689@ng-fo1.aol.com>, bmbobinski@aol.com (Bernard J. Bobinski) wrote: > Dear NG, > > Here are a couple of questions for the veteran solo pipers - > > 1. What style of Reel should be played in the Strathspey/Reel Competition > for > Grade III? A Hold and Cut style Reel or a Straight Flowing (Jig Style) Reel. > > 2. What would be considered appropriate tunes to play in Grade III - > > 2/4 March > 6/8 March > Piobraireachd > Strathspey/Reel 2/4s: King George V's army, Donald MacLean's Farewell to Oban, 74s Farewell to Edinburgh, The Knightswood Ceili, 93rd Argyll's Crossing the Modder, The MacNeill's March -If you want a good source for 2/4s check out the Cairngorm Collection Book 2. Its excellent 6/8s: Pipe Major Donald Maclean of Lewis, Mrs Lily Christie, The Cock of the North, John MacColl's Farewell to the Scottish Horse... There are a lot of good ones out there Piobaireachd: (Here's what I play, I think any tunes that aren't too horribly long are good for grade three) Lament for Alisdair Dearg MacDonnell of Glengarry, Too Long in This Condition, Clan Campbell's Gathering, Struan Robertson's Salute, MacIntosh's Banner Strathspeys: Caledonian Canal, Dorrator Bridge, The Sheperd's Crook, Caber Feidh, Lady Loudon, Arniston Castle Reels: Lexy McKaskill (sp?), The Sound of Sleat, The Rejected Suitor, Kalabachan (that one's risky, it sounds best round I think), Thompson's Dirk Hope that helps. Chris gave the best advice really, whatever tune you enjoy and play well. Cheers, Alex Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 27 Nov 1999 09:48:39 -0800 look at the want ads at Bagpiper.com - put your own ad in. You never can tell - someone might take pity in you. "Pete" wrote in message news:384004F6.FDC6B413@mindspring.com... > go with well known maker.. african black wood set.. if you are gonna > play, play with real instrument. least expensive model should cost you > around $800 to $1,000.. if you are in a band.. see if they have loaner > set. or you could get a nice used set for even lower price. > > -- > "Imitations produce pain or pleasure, not because they are mistaken for > realities, but because they bring realities to mind" -- Samuel Johnson > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 27 Nov 1999 21:34:37 +0000 If the judges are still the judges I played for - the reel should be cut and held. As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. It's usually a matter of knowing your judge, what tunes s/he likes, what style they perfer... Also you want a tune they're bound to know, but isn't so common that it's being played by ten other competitors. I think they're looking for control in grade 3 - tempo, technique, solid playing. - ALH On 27 Nov 1999, Bernard J. Bobinski wrote: > Dear NG, > > Here are a couple of questions for the veteran solo pipers - > > 1. What style of Reel should be played in the Strathspey/Reel Competition > for > Grade III? A Hold and Cut style Reel or a Straight Flowing (Jig Style) Reel. > > 2. What would be considered appropriate tunes to play in Grade III - > > 2/4 March > 6/8 March > Piobraireachd > Strathspey/Reel > Respectfully, > > > Bernard J. Bobinski > "The key to success is constancy of purpose" > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 27 Nov 1999 19:23:49 GMT Just a note to add to Chris' comments Pick tunes that accentuate alllll of your good points! Accentuate the posititive as they say! So if when looking for tunes for your repertoire you come across one that right off the bat you execute better than the rest......add it quickly! Its taken me years to find a bunch of tunes that I LOVE to play for the judges....still have a few to go........I think I always will be looking for "that strathspey", they are the hardest to find in my opinion.......everyone plays the same classic tunes I find! Cheers, and good luck in your search! Lori Wilson Gaudet Chris Hamilton wrote: > On 27 Nov 1999 02:55:24 GMT, bmbobinski@aol.com (Bernard J. Bobinski) > wrote: > > >Dear NG, > > > > Here are a couple of questions for the veteran solo pipers - > > > >1. What style of Reel should be played in the Strathspey/Reel Competition > >for > >Grade III? A Hold and Cut style Reel or a Straight Flowing (Jig Style) Reel. > > A hold and cut reel is *generally* much more appropriate for a solo > contest or a band MSR contest. > > >2. What would be considered appropriate tunes to play in Grade III - > > > > 2/4 March > > 6/8 March > > Piobraireachd > > Strathspey/Reel > > Anything you can play well would be appropriate. You'll have to be > honest with yourself. If you can't properly exectue a given tune, keep > it out of your competition repertoire. > > Chris > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com > City of Washington Pipe Band > http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 27 Nov 1999 18:27:37 GMT >What a swell, helpful guy. > Yes but he's got to grab his ankles for that kind of help! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttles & Guitar Date: 27 Nov 1999 21:51:33 GMT On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:50:49 -0500, madman wrote: >Bill Tubbs wrote: >> >> I've never gotten quick at moving to the necessary F#m needed on the guitar > >What he means to say is F# Dorian minor.....the relative Dorian mode of >E flat major ,or B flat mixolydian(dominant) or C# minor. >F# Dorian minor also contains the notes of F# pentatonic minor, >just drop out the 2nd and 6th intervals. Power chords. More distortion. Royce (Who needs a minor sixth anyway!) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttles & Guitar Date: 27 Nov 1999 14:57:38 -0800 isn't playing with a minor sixth illegal in most states? "Royce Lerwick" wrote in message news:3840519d.9869155@news.mn.mediaone.net... > On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:50:49 -0500, madman > wrote: > > >Bill Tubbs wrote: > >> > >> I've never gotten quick at moving to the necessary F#m needed on the guitar > > > >What he means to say is F# Dorian minor.....the relative Dorian mode of > >E flat major ,or B flat mixolydian(dominant) or C# minor. > >F# Dorian minor also contains the notes of F# pentatonic minor, > >just drop out the 2nd and 6th intervals. > > Power chords. More distortion. > > Royce > > (Who needs a minor sixth anyway!) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 28 Nov 1999 01:00:43 GMT >With all due resect Tim Sorry, priv post. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 28 Nov 1999 02:10:56 GMT >>I'm not standing on a street corner waving my dong around and shouting >profanities at wee children. Yeah but we only have your word on that! ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 28 Nov 1999 00:54:37 GMT >I personally >have never seen one bit of helpful or intelligent advice from you. With all due resect Tim, you haven't been reading his posts. He has contributed much o'er the years, but accusing him of sarcasm is kind of well... re-read your own posts, you may get some insight there. All the other poster was trying to say was that the name calling isn't helping your arguement any, and probably just turns-off the very people your trying to convince. I mean you never saw me calling anyo... uh, nevermind LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 28 Nov 1999 01:37:19 GMT >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 27 Nov 1999 22:40:33 -0800 Iain Sherwood wrote: > > look at the want ads at Bagpiper.com - put your own ad in. You never can > tell - someone might take pity in you. > "Pete" wrote in message > news:384004F6.FDC6B413@mindspring.com... > > go with well known maker.. african black wood set.. if you are gonna > > play, play with real instrument. least expensive model should cost you > > around $800 to $1,000.. if you are in a band.. see if they have loaner > > set. or you could get a nice used set for even lower price. > > > > -- > > "Imitations produce pain or pleasure, not because they are mistaken for > > realities, but because they bring realities to mind" -- Samuel Johnson > > > > A Bagpipe is a bagpipe, a bunch of hollow pieces of wood pit into a leather bag (or Camel). They are all the same. $200, $500, $1500, the only differance is the price, nothing else. I will even give you an extra set of 'quality' cane reeds. With best and kindest regards, Ahmed I mean, Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Polkemmet Date: 28 Nov 1999 07:46:59 -0500 Wow, just read on the P&D web site .. http://www.piperanddrummer.com/pdnews/default.asp?aID=804 that Polkemmet has ceased to exist. A sad moment. They were a great band for a good while, despite their recent troubles. Some of their great moments ... -- From Celtic Roots - one of the great albums of all time -- Worlds 1980 album - an EXCELLENT medley ... light-switch attack, bone-crushing tone and a spritely "Jimmy Findlater" opener. -- "Big Oz" one of the cooler tunes on the planet ... Ah well, best of luck to the players in their next endeavours. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bobalewi@aol.com (Bobalewi) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Polkemmet Date: 28 Nov 1999 14:48:24 GMT There doing movies and trading cards now. B. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 28 Nov 1999 07:51:10 -0500 On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:41:36 +0100, wpatr@dial.active.ch wrote: >PS I'd be wary of a site named tartantown. Yuk! Uh, yeah, except that Terry Lee, P/M of the Simon Fraser University band and one of the best-known figures in piping, runs the piping end of it ... so ye can rest your little heid. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttle Pipe -- General Discussion Date: 28 Nov 1999 15:08:02 GMT >2) Pricing -- The British Shop lists 3 drone pipes for US$600 and the 2 >drone pipes for US$525 -- is this comparable? Is the extra drone worth >US$75? I thought 2-drone models went for about $450. You're probably better off dealing directly with Walsh for a better price, and who knows, he might have a scratch & dent model cheaper. >3) Manipulation -- Is the average 7 year old piper capable of handling the >pipes -- is this the right transition instrument or would a set of fireside >pipes be more appropriate. I never thought about any of these pipes as "transition" instruments. As a "transition" instrument probably none of them (firesides, shuttles, Zetlands even) are very good, because they all operate at much lower pressures than the GHB. OTOH, if you can learn to maintain a constant pressure (even a very low pressure), that teaches you something, so maybe they are worthwhile after all. Other things to consider are the general sound of the instrument and the pitch. Shuttle pipes sound like 3 (or 4) practice chanters. Firesides are similar, but you can set up one of the drones as a baritone and it sounds not unlike smallpipes when well set up. Both are in A, and both use PC reeds for everything. Hence the sound. Zetlands are in D, and they're more of a "real" instrument in their own right. They use GHB drone reeds for everything, and they sound like a cross between Uillean pipes and smallpipes. Not practice chantery sounding at all. I haven't checked lately but I think the price on all these pipes is in the $400-$600 range. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 28 Nov 1999 14:53:39 GMT >I've had the CD for two months now, and this is >the first time I've heard the hidden track. Very, Very, Very cool. Are there >any others to look for? Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album backwards and your dog would come back, your wife would come back.... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 28 Nov 1999 15:58:26 +0000 On 28 Nov 1999, Zudupiper wrote: > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable > instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. > > Zu If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the day. ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Polkemmet Date: 28 Nov 1999 15:10:58 GMT >There doing movies and trading cards now. Yeah, I have one of the Polkemmet Pikachu cards myself. 80 Hit Points. Had to trade a Beedrill for it. My daughter's a tough haggler. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 28 Nov 1999 16:23:15 GMT Dan Bornman wrote in message news:19991128025857.03954.00001620@ng-fi1.aol.com... > Anyone have experiences with the above mentioned electronic pipes? I recently > stumbled acrossed thier website (www.deger.com) and they sounded pretty good > IMHO...was thinking of picking a set up online at www.tartantown.com...which > brings me to another question...anyone have anything good or bad to say about > them? I'm hesitant to order some pipes I've never seen RL from a place I've no > experiences with. Any input would be much appreciated. > > -- > Dan Bornman Dan and all - 1) I have a set of Deger's, and they are marvelous. No downside. 2) Tartantown is a first-class outfit. Piping knowledge provided by Terry Lee. As PM of the now THREE-time World's Champions, I suspect he might know a bit. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttle Pipe -- General Discussion Date: 28 Nov 1999 15:18:08 GMT The Zetland pipes are at http://www.wavetech.net/~shetland/bagpipes.html $650 in AB, soon to be available in delrin and maple (presumably at a lower price). Zetland Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 28 Nov 1999 08:48:37 -0800 and it might be a good idea what comments you make about people like Tryy on this NG -it WILL come back to haunt your next life. IS wrote in message news:384114EF.E121D026@dial.active.ch... > PS I'd be wary of a site named tartantown. Yuk! > > Dan Bornman wrote: > > > Anyone have experiences with the above mentioned electronic pipes? I recently > > stumbled acrossed thier website (www.deger.com) and they sounded pretty good > > IMHO...was thinking of picking a set up online at www.tartantown.com...which > > brings me to another question...anyone have anything good or bad to say about > > them? I'm hesitant to order some pipes I've never seen RL from a place I've no > > experiences with. Any input would be much appreciated. > > > > -- > > Dan Bornman > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alert !!!! Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:14:00 GMT >I do believe I'm offended, Are you >offended? Let's all be offended! I know I'm defeniately offensive! Oh wait a minute, that was "offended"... no I'm not that, sorry! LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:36:58 GMT >> Ahmed >> I mean, >> Mike > > >Okay now I know you're joking...... RU sure? LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 11:49:52 -0800 The Mann wrote: > > since I dont know you from Adam (or Ahmed) I hope your pulling our...um > leg? > > > > A Bagpipe is a bagpipe, a bunch of hollow pieces of wood pit into a > > leather bag (or Camel). They are all the same. $200, $500, $1500, > the > > only differance is the price, nothing else. > > I will even give you an extra set of 'quality' cane reeds. > > With best and kindest regards, > > Ahmed > > I mean, > > Mike > > > > -- > "I'll out-pipe you anyday" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Well, comparing to this guys auction, my prices are decent. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205796918 Or even better, I will make your bagpipes 'Look' like Blackwood. I will have them painted with that nice Lead Based Black Paint (aka, Black Rosewood). You have 2 choices, Lead Based Black Paint, or Lead Based Brown Paint. The Black painted pipes seem to be the hottest on ebay. Or you can get a lovely 'Natural' rosewood bagpipe. Pic at http://top.monad.net/~musicman/Bagpipes.jpg Now this pipe has quality written all over it. Each set comes dressed in 'Royal Stewart Klan'. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Suggestions for multi-climate GHP Date: 28 Nov 1999 20:29:48 GMT >Specifically, is there a better set (or matierial) for >pipes that would go through drastic climate changes Plastic pipes? I have a set of delrin Dunbars that I play in cold weather and rain and they're indestructible. For plastic, they sound pretty good too. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Polkemmet Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:32:31 GMT > My daughter's a tough haggler. > Yes my kid cried when she heard about Pokemon breaking up! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Sullivan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 28 Nov 1999 16:26:26 GMT > Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album backwards > and your wife would come back.... God forbid . . . . - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Suggestions for multi-climate GHP Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:40:13 GMT >Plastic pipes? I have a set of delrin Dunbars that I play in cold weather >and >rain and they're indestructible. For plastic, they sound pretty good too. > >Zu I sent him to my brother who plays a set of plastic pipes which are cheaper (I think) and sound better than those other brands out there now. They sounded way better than Dunbars to me, but that could of been the way he sets them up, rather than the brand. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:42:16 GMT >maybe the competition scene is different where you are.... I thought his comments were way off too, but I figured I'd wait to see if anyone else said so first. Hard tunes do not win prizes, especially in lower grades. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ezedrones or wygents Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:03:27 GMT >While the Ezeedrones are a bit more "industrialized" >looking, IE. note as handmade looking as Wygents, I wouldn't >go as far as saying that they "are WAY superior." They're just made a lot more minimalistically. By comparison the EZs look clumsy. >I think >that SOUND should be the key factor in assessing which >product is superior don't you? The best sound I ever got out of either EZs or Wygents, I got by retonguing them...but more later on this. >The Ezee's have a long tapered reed seat as well, only not >as long and yes they do have the plastic/rubber stuff still >on it. Which BTW, fit's nicely into most pipes Not mine. And they won't stay in the reedseat until I carve off the stupid plastic covering and wrap on some black waxed hemp. This is a fairly common complaint with EZs. I play modern Kron pipes, and the reedseats aren't huge. >This is very much the case with Wygents as well Zu. The >difference here is that the Wygents SOUND different at first >then as the ABSORB MOISTURE AND SWELL (over the first 10 >hours of play or so) they change. The Ezeedrones do not. I don;t know about that. The tuning screw on the Wygets is still pretty mobile, and the EZs aren't. In fact I had to buy a metric tap to clear out the threads so I can adjust the screw at all. I don't know what Wygent or you or anybody is talking about when you mention a 10-hour blowing-in time. Mark Wygent was nice enough to sell me a set of untongued reeds (he didn't like me calling them "reedbodies" but such is life). I put my own tongues on them, and there was NO 10-hour blowing in time. Maybe 30 minutes tops. >And every set of Wygents >I've had has swelled and stopped up the screw, just like >Ezeedrones. That hasn't happened to me, but my ex-Wygents might be a later vintage. >That gread big useless band of stuff works exactly as it's >suppossed to. It attatches the tongue to the body, securely. Redundantly. Overkill. Megaoverkill. You know what really attaches the tongue to the reedbody? A drop of superglue. If you ever start poking around, that's all it is. I use some blackwaxed hemp as a safety factor in my retongued reeds, but you don't need a safety factor as huge as the EZs have. >Very securely I might add. Which is probably why you don't >like it, since you're in the habit of replacing the original >tongues. True. >The Tongue: the Wygent tongue is made of thin black plastic, >the Ezeedrone tongue is made of a thicker clear plastic. What are the measurements? I don't have very good shop equipment...I measured both and they seemed identical. But like I say, I don;t have anything very precise. >Okay so what's the difference? Well for one, the thicker >tongue of the Ezeedrone is much less pressure sensitive, >thus giving you a reed that is more stable and less >suseptable to blowing variances. Ah! Voila! My Zudupiper tongues are thicker than the EZ tongues and what you say is true. >For two the fact that it's >clear can help you if the tongue should ever move because >you can SEE just where the tongue is in relation to the >whole in the reed body underneath. For whatever that's worth.... >Not that this is really >ever a problem since the "great big useless band of stuff" >does it's job very well in holding the tongue just where it >should be. :) (sorry Zu your words not mine) I was talking about the great big band of useless stuff that's glued onto the base of the tongue and that encircles the whole reedbody for no apparent reason. See above.... >The Bridle: this I think is amazing that Zu would say are >identical. They are two completely different animals >entirely. The Ezeedrone bridle is like a very tight, wide, >flat, black rubber band. Whereas the Wygent bridle is not as >tight, not as wide and most assuradle not as flat. Neither one's very tight IMO, which is half the problem. >Also I think that the bridle might have something to >do with steadiness because it is so snug. I think so too.... >This is where I get confussed Zu. Why should you have to >retongue either of these reeds? To get the sound I want and the efficiency I want. But I hear what you're saying.... >Isn't that a bit like tying >on a new bridle to a cane drone reed? In terms of effort It's more like gluing up the tongue of a cane reed and cutting another tongue on the other side. You can do wonders just by changing the bridle on any of these synthetics. That was my first step down this slippery slope... >I mean SHOULDN'T the >tongues be fine from the factory? SHOULDN'T they sound okay >to start with? Or else WHY BUY THE DAMN REED IN THE FIRST >PLACE!!!??? I hear you, and I'd like to agree with you. When some maker can produce a set of reeds that gives me as good a tone with as little air requirements as my Zudupiper reeds, I'll stop making my own. Oh yeah, no damn 10-hour blowing in period either. But that's just me, and what I like. >But I'm >saying, buy the product on it's own merrits. If you don't >like it why buy it and retongue it? Always looking to make a better mousetrap I guess. originally I bought Wygents because I needed something other than cane to play in my plastic beater pipes. They worked okay but not very well. Having tried Wygents, I thought I'd try EZs. They worked better, but still not too well. Having an adequate set of EZs, I started tinkering around with Wygents, esp for students' pipes, because tnikered reeds take less air. Then I tinkered my EZs into an unplayable condition, and went back to cane while I tinkered some more. Finally I tinkered a set of Zu reeds that got me into the prize lists at a competition, and then promptly shat the bed the next weekend. They were set up too marginally, so I retinkered them. Thicker tongue material. Voila. >Use something or I >should say spend $60 bucks on something that you LIKE >already and that plays well already. Which I think the >Ezeedrones do for the most part as do Wygents. Then why do so many people consider Wygents to be airhogs? Because they don't know how to set them up, that's why. Maybe I've just arrived at an advanced custom setup for my pipes. Maybe what Zu reeds are, are a set of pre-set-up reeds...more pre-set-up than the OEM reeds. I dunno. Lots of top pipers and good pipers in general play Wygents and EZs. But you can get a good sound out of about anything if you know what you're doing. You bring up some good points! Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:36:13 GMT > and your wife would come back.... > > God forbid . . . . I agree! Thats why I divorced the fat hog in the first place, I don't want her back. But I do miss ol' Rover (more attractive too) although when I shaved his butt and taught him to walk backwards he bared a strong resemblance to her (but cuter). Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 13:56:50 -0800 I think you mean that HE's the joke... "Shawn Husk" wrote in message news:3841307E.56268597@aol.com... > Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > > A Bagpipe is a bagpipe, a bunch of hollow pieces of wood pit into a > > leather bag (or Camel). They are all the same. $200, $500, $1500, the > > only differance is the price, nothing else. > > I will even give you an extra set of 'quality' cane reeds. > > With best and kindest regards, > > Ahmed > > I mean, > > Mike > > > Okay now I know you're joking...... > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed Date: 28 Nov 1999 10:49:46 -0800 do we REALLY??? Can't we just grind them into the dirt??? "Shawn Husk" wrote in message news:384117E3.74EB01BD@aol.com... > OutlawHighlander wrote: > > > > Personaly, I have been playing the ClanRye plastic reed since 1993. Clanrye's > > are nice and loud. I wouldnt play anything else, or subject myself to the > > difficulty, and sadomasochism of cane reeds. > > Plastic Drone reeds on the other hand, are too bloody loud, and horrible > > sounding. I will stick to Ross Champions. > > > > Rodger > > > Ahhh, newbies.......gotta love'em > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 23:34:27 GMT On 28 Nov 1999 21:46:05 GMT, bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) wrote: >>Well, comparing to this guys auction, my prices are decent. >>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205796918 >> > >Genuine "ivorine" mounts? Wow they must be good LMAO! That's hard to get you know. First you have to trim the nails of literally hundreds of wolverines to get one fitting. Then you grind them and cement them with acrylic resin.... Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 28 Nov 1999 23:36:02 GMT On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:23:15 GMT, "Tim Sullivan" wrote: > 1) I have a set of Deger's, and they are marvelous. No downside. > 2) Tartantown is a first-class outfit. Piping knowledge provided by >Terry Lee. As PM of the now THREE-time World's Champions, I suspect he >might know a bit. I hear they only win because they play Shepherd chanters...hey, wait a minute...? Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 28 Nov 1999 23:28:10 GMT On 28 Nov 1999 06:37:42 GMT, piperian@aol.com (PiperIan) wrote: >>Sorry, priv post. >>Bill > >But much of what we have seen recently could be better described as "privvie" >Post. I think Timmy is overly concerned with his private post. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:46:05 GMT >Well, comparing to this guys auction, my prices are decent. >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205796918 > Genuine "ivorine" mounts? Wow they must be good LMAO! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Suggestions for multi-climate GHP Date: 29 Nov 1999 00:41:13 GMT >The only other plastic pipe maker I know of is Peter Crisler, and his pipes >are >supposed to be very good. Nope, theres at least one other, a local (relatively) guy, but I spent all day trying to remember who made them, but I can't for the life of me recall the name at the moment. I'll let you know as soon as he gets back to me. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Suggestions for multi-climate GHP Date: 28 Nov 1999 23:42:48 GMT >I sent him to my brother who plays a set of plastic pipes which are cheaper >(I >think) and sound better than those other brands out there now. They sounded >way >better than Dunbars to me, but that could of been the way he sets them up, >rather than the brand. The only other plastic pipe maker I know of is Peter Crisler, and his pipes are supposed to be very good. Never heard a set, unfortunately... Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 29 Nov 1999 00:45:19 GMT >I think Timmy is overly concerned with his private post. > >Royce LMFAO! This took a few secs to sink in... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Cap Badge search Date: 28 Nov 1999 17:07:11 -0800 Hi All, Does anyone know where to get the Cap badge for the Regiment that wears a scull and crossed bones ? Also, what Regiment would that be ? Cheers Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Lists of pipers and drummers and teachers Date: 28 Nov 1999 22:53:24 -0700 Can anyone point me to a compilation of contact information for drummers and pipers for North America and Australia? Ones with addresses my people could write to would be nice, not all of my friends are e-literate. I always have people asking me to find them a band to play with when they move off to somewhere else for work etc. Thanks, Don -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 17:37:54 -0800 Bagpiip wrote: > > >That's hard to get you know. First you have to trim the nails of > >literally hundreds of wolverines to get one fitting. Then you grind > >them and cement them with acrylic resin.... > > > >Royce > > Darn, I'm wrong again! > I thought it was camel cuticles... > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. I was thinking of ordering about 20 of those junk pipes from pakistan, puting them all on ebay and stating that they cost about $25 each, and they are like every other Rosewood bagpipe on ebay. Just to see if people will actually bid over $100 for these pipes. Its more just to let them know how much they actually cost. I try to talk people out of buying some of these pipes from Mid-East, but it just doesnt work. All of these companies buying them at wholesale for $120, and selling them for $240, when they actually cost $25. I am trying to see if the maker I know is willing to make me 20 cheep sets. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 00:44:22 GMT >That's hard to get you know. First you have to trim the nails of >literally hundreds of wolverines to get one fitting. Then you grind >them and cement them with acrylic resin.... > >Royce Darn, I'm wrong again! I thought it was camel cuticles... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 14:40:16 GMT In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: > ...And if it's a nice tune, kudos. If it's a poor tune unworthy of the > competition platform, I think the judge is entitled to say so. Not > necessarily mark point off because of it, but to steer the player in > the proper direction for the good of the art. > > Chris Is it a judges intention to "steer" a player, when they make a private comment to a soloist that the tune, a 2/4 March, was a "horse-shit" tune. Or might there be another meaning to that type of comment? By the way, the comment was solicited by the soloist when he asked the judge what he thought of the tune. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:53:53 GMT >why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there >to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, >one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and >reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's >books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and >the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally >FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? > Interesting advice. How would a judge treat (or judge) a tune he's not familiar with? Would that be an advantage or a disadvantage to the player? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:48:45 GMT >And your pick-up would be un-hit by the train. Does that mean it will come down off the blocks in my front yard? And WHICH pick-up? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 28 Nov 1999 18:30:20 -0800 why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? Iain Sherwood "Zudupiper" wrote in message news:19991128152659.13566.00001440@ng-bh1.aol.com... > >If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more > >challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the > >day. > > I had enough trouble with Mrs MacDonald of Dunach this past season. It was a > fairly tough first season in grade 3. At the moment I want to progress into > the grade 3 prize lists on a consistent basis, and that's why I'm sticking with > easier tunes. If I can't get there playing easier tunes really well, there's > no way I'll get there playing harder tunes poorly. > > The only people I know who are playing 6-parted tunes are the hotshots who are > kicking everybody's butt and are going to move up next season anyway, where > 6-parted tunes might be more appropriate. > > maybe the competition scene is different where you are.... > > Zu > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:05:11 -0800 I like the one on Chris Armstrong's album that whispers "Shepherd is the devil, Shepherd is the devil..." over and over. Kind of reassuring. IS "Ccc31807" wrote in message news:1415c574.e5c67f3e@usw-ex0101-002.remarq.com... > In article <19991128095339.05172.00000863@ng-fk1.aol.com>, > zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > >I've had the CD for two months now, and this is > > >the first time I've heard the hidden track. Very, Very, Very > > cool. Are there > > >any others to look for? > > Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album > > backwards > > and your dog would come back, your wife would come back.... > > Zu > And your pick-up would be un-hit by the train. > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 05:49:16 -0800 In article <38420D63.66D8@worldnet.att.net>, Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > If I flood ebay wich a hundred sheesham wood pipes that cost > $25.00, > other importers will have to look other places to buy their pipes. > But it 'could' (im hoping) it will force them to buy better pipes. > Mike I think this is a GREAT idea. This is a classic application of Gresham's Law applied to bagpipes. Not only will you be doing a great deal to makers and purveyors of decent instruments, you will do a great service to the non-piping public by having them waste only $25 instead of $300 to $400, and you will make money at the same time. It's win/win all the way around. The only ones you will be hurting are the frauds and cheats, like the West Point cadet (supposedly), who attempt to sell junk for non-junk prices, and they deserve to be hurt. The only thing I would add is that you need to make clear the origen of the goods sold. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search Date: 29 Nov 1999 00:49:58 -0800 the cap badge originally referred to is that of the 17th Lancers - motto 'Death or Glory' - usually obtainable through military dealers on the web. "Mike Le Boeuf" wrote in message news:3841DA1D.3E2B@worldnet.att.net... > Don Robertson wrote: > > > > Hi All, Does anyone know where to get the Cap badge for the Regiment > > that wears a scull and crossed bones ? Also, what Regiment would that be > > ? > > Cheers > > Don > > I wear something close, the Harp of Erin. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Polkemmet Date: 29 Nov 1999 07:51:43 -0500 On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:10:21 -0000, "Thomas Grotrian" wrote: >This news came as something of a surprise to a colleague of mine (Magnus >Orr), who is still attending Polkemmet band practices on Tuesdays and >Thursdays. Apparently they had a few problems a couple of weeks ago when >they did not have a drum corps, that situation has now been rectified. They >are back to having twelve pipers, four sides, two tenors and a bass, they >are also appealing against the decision to regrade them. Glad to hear it !!! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann Pipe Reeds Date: 28 Nov 1999 17:41:23 -0800 CarnGalver wrote: > > Im a maker of Uilleann Pipe reeds.I have made for Gay McKeown, Mike McGoldrick, > Kevin Rowesome etc., and was chosen reedmaker for Willie Clancy Summer School > 99. If you need reeds or info. mail me. > All the best > Alan Burton. What part of the US (Hoping the US) are you from? Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Via Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttle Pipe -- General Discussion Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:01:23 -0500 My son started on Gibson fireside pipes at age 7, and also was handling the shuttles just fine at that age. Good way to introduce the blowing and squeezing. You'll need to shorten the blowpipe for him, though. See if they can send a couple different lengths mouthpieces. Robert Barker wrote: > > "Leo Burns" wrote in message > news:38402267.0@nntp.connection.com... > > If there is a prior thread on shuttle pipes please redirect, however; > > my son is 7 and has shown promise with the chanter and I would like to > > purchase a shuttle pipe for him (and his dad) for Christmas. > > > 2) Pricing -- The British Shop lists 3 drone pipes for US$600 and the 2 > > drone pipes for US$525 -- is this comparable? Is the extra drone worth > > US$75? > > The British Shop is a very reputible dealer. That said, there are cheaper > places to purchase the shuttle pipes. I purchased a couple of 2 drone > sets from George's Music at: http://pgonline.com/georgemusic for about > $425 US a year ago. You could also try www.songsea.com for their prices > and some other information about parlour pipes. > > I love my shuttle pipes and found them very easy to play. I think they > helped > me to learn how to blow steadier. I think that a young lad could probably > handle them, but that is just my opinion and not based upon any experience > with youngsters actually playing these pipes. > > Good Luck! > > Bob B. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search Date: 28 Nov 1999 17:42:53 -0800 Don Robertson wrote: > > Hi All, Does anyone know where to get the Cap badge for the Regiment > that wears a scull and crossed bones ? Also, what Regiment would that be > ? > Cheers > Don I wear something close, the Harp of Erin. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:21:39 -0800 > Is this guy for real or > what........?????? I am hoping it will start to force other guys to import better pipes from better makers, to start to thin out the import of the real junk. I think some importers are actually trying to step up their quality. Mid-East, has NOT!, but I went to Shark in the Morn in San Francisco, and the Cocus wood bagpipe actually looked like something worth buying. I never would because they only cost $80.00, and they were asking way too much for it, but I am just saying, maybe all of this uproar on Junk being imported is changing. Their was a slight change in Sharks Sheesham wood practice chanter. The Sheesham wood was actually very nice, and the stain and turning was well done, and it came with a decent reed. If I flood ebay wich a hundred sheesham wood pipes that cost $25.00, other importers will have to look other places to buy their pipes. But it 'could' (im hoping) it will force them to buy better pipes. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Info Needed Date: 29 Nov 1999 08:40:04 -0500 Does anyone know anything about the tune "Drunken Duncan", by one P. MacCallum? History, background, etc.? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:15:15 -0800 Shawn Husk wrote: > > Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > > Well, comparing to this guys auction, my prices are decent. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205796918 > > > > Or even better, I will make your bagpipes 'Look' like Blackwood. I will > > have them painted with that nice Lead Based Black Paint (aka, Black > > Rosewood). You have 2 choices, Lead Based Black Paint, or Lead Based > > Brown Paint. > > The Black painted pipes seem to be the hottest on ebay. > > Or you can get a lovely 'Natural' rosewood bagpipe. Pic at > > http://top.monad.net/~musicman/Bagpipes.jpg > > Now this pipe has quality written all over it. > > Each set comes dressed in 'Royal Stewart Klan'. > > Mike > > Is this guy for real or > what........?????? Of course not,, Most of this junk, I am just restating what I hear other people on ebay who have no idea what a bagpipe is, yet they are selling them for the great profit. Sure, I will order 20 pipes to see what I get, and let people know what they are getting, and I will let them know what I paid for them. I am hoping to really piss off the guys that are selling the sheesham wood junk on ebay. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 09:59:10 -0500 On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:40:16 GMT, oshpiper wrote: >In article , > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > >> ...And if it's a nice tune, kudos. If it's a poor tune unworthy of the >> competition platform, I think the judge is entitled to say so. Not >> necessarily mark point off because of it, but to steer the player in >> the proper direction for the good of the art. >> >> Chris > >Is it a judges intention to "steer" a player, when they make a private >comment to a soloist that the tune, a 2/4 March, was a "horse-shit" >tune. Or might there be another meaning to that type of comment? By >the way, the comment was solicited by the soloist when he asked the >judge what he thought of the tune. Hmm ... maybe a bad choice of words by the judge there. I played a 6/8 March in the Open last year (submit and play 3 tunes) and the judge wrote on my scoresheet "last composition not up to the caliber of the others musically and technically". The first two tunes were "classic" 6/8s, the last was a recent composition by a fairly well-known Scottish P/M ... So I asked the judge later about the comment and he said that it was an okay tune, maybe good for a band, but wasn't in a league with the other ones in musical content or technique demanded to play the tune. In retrospect, I had to agree with him, though I like the tune. So I dropped it from my competitive repertoire. That said, he also affirmed that he did not penalize me for the tune choice, but he was just giving me some friendly advice in an effort to steer the art form towards the better tunes. Yes, I feel it is entirely appropriate for a judge to comment on such things. Not to penalize, but guide the players toward good musical choices. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? Date: 28 Nov 1999 20:20:32 -0800 In article <19991128095339.05172.00000863@ng-fk1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >I've had the CD for two months now, and this is > >the first time I've heard the hidden track. Very, Very, Very > cool. Are there > >any others to look for? > Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album > backwards > and your dog would come back, your wife would come back.... > Zu And your pick-up would be un-hit by the train. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Double tongued drone reeds Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:22:35 -0500 I think the key here is how synthetic reeds are made, vs Cane reeds. The syntehtics are machined to a flat surface int which an elongated opening is cut, over which the tongue is attached. Cane reed are split down a portion of their length to produce the tongue. In mounting a second tongue, the synthetic reed body receives anothe flat area and another slot opening, which does not severely impact the sr=tructural integrity of the reed body- at least not as severely as splitting another tongue would compromise the structural integrity of the cane tube. Think of it- instead on the roughly three-quarters of the tube left solid in a traditional cane drone reed, a two-tongued cane reed would have two thin rails of cane along the sides between the tongues. I think the tendency to warp and/or collapse in action (and moisture) would prove problematic. JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > Great post Richard, and VERY thought provoking!!?? > > Richard Mao wrote in message <383E100C.6C2C98F7@prodigy.net>... > less > >air? blowing pressure? > > Goals, I suppose this would have to be a richer, more voluminous *cane* > tone, as in two tenor drones giving more volume to the overall drone sound, > so double tonguing should increase volume but would be limited by the > physical dimensions of the drone itself. > > >different length... wouldn't the action of each tongue produce a different > >pitch in your drone... > > Yes, this is more than likely and something that would have to be addressed, > probably resulting in a lot of discarded reeds, the thing to aim for would > be identical length and thickness of tongue, leaving a uniform depth of reed > body, this should be possible. > > >Is the increased variability in pitch of this type of reed...due to greater > >sensitivity to changes in pressure of the player...worth the > >effort?....especially for the typical unsteady blower at the lower > competitive > >levels? > > This could only be decided *after* experimentation, and the pitch may not > vary anyhow, as to lower competitive levels, well maybe it would "teach" > people to blow a tone. > > > I wondered here about synthetics with cane tongues, I've never tried them, > did they work? and by producing uniform cane double tongues and uniform > synthetic bodies, that "may" meet these objections, though I am quite sure > that nothing comes near a full cane reed for sound, apart from some of these > latest "Rockets" and "Duatone reeds" we are hearing about. I will give them > time to see how they perform. I thought Ezedrone reeds were the best thing > since sliced bread when they came out, but one and a half years down the > line, after playing them regularly, I am convinced cane is king for tone. > > >>In a conversation with a fellow rmmb member... he suggested cutting them > in > >reverse directions... one regular ... one inverted tongue... maybe then you > >could get a start on empirically adjust the tongues to the same pitch and > sound > >producing quality...except I'm getting a headache figuring out how to set > up > >the bridles without fouling the "other" tongue. > > You would probably need slightly longer reeds to meet this problem, that > could be a difficulty, I too had thought about the reverse direction for > each tongue!! LOL!!!! I am not so original as I thought, it's all been > done before :-) > > >I would expect that the production procedures with the Duatones would > reduce > >the variability in the tongue settings and characteristics... but would the > >variability still be there to some extent? But these questions would still > give > >more weight to not messing around with the "factory" bridle settings and > also > >not messing around cranking the tongues wider...unequally... instead of, > >properly as recommended, using the screw to adjust pitch. > > Not having seen either "Rockets" or "Duatones" I am totally in the dark on > this one, so do not know how these problems have been addressed. > > >Another question....is it possible, especially with cane tongues, that > after > >absorbing a certain amount of moisture....or if the two tongues have > different > >tongue opening strength... that during playing....ONE tongue slams shut... > >before both tongues slam shut? Would this produce a perceptibly different > sound > >in the middle of a competiton performance in front of a judge and be marked > >down...perhaps as a drone stopping? > > Yes this is always a possiblity, but if these problems were all sorted out > over a couple of years of playing and experimentation, and they proved > consistent performers, then they could presumably be played with the same > confidence as a *normal* cane reed. > > >sorry, John... no answers.... just some questions arising in my > >mind...triggered by your topic...Hope and looking forward to the other > members > >of the newsgroup contributing their experiences.... > > I am the same, question is, should I try? I have this little niggle at the > back of my mind that says try it anyhow, then I will know. > I can see an order for more cane reeds coming up .......sigh........more > expense.......sigh!! > > > >BTW... I am excited, have just received...and this Thanksgiving weekend > >getting some spare time... am generating my personal experiences with both > the > >SyntheDrone2 and Duatones... > > Good luck and keep us all posted on your thoughts and reactions. Don't > forget, only *THE* tiniest of adjustments on the bridles. > > I've had this great idea, why not set up double chanters, Uilleann pipers > used to use them, then of course we could add a couple more drones and with > an industrial wind machine we could retire from the blowing thing, wouldn't > it go down a storm at the worlds, and the volume from one player could be > got to sound like the whole SFUPB, I think I'll patent the idea now before > someone else thinks of it !!!????? DUHHHHHHH!!!!!!! > > >Hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving... as nationalistically applicable in > your > >situation... > > Don't celebrate this in England, but have kept abreast of it vicariously > through a very close friend in America. > > >It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn > >everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock > > Yes, but Richard it IS sometimes good to learn the hard way, the lesson > really sticks then, I should know, I've learned the hard way ALL my life, > don't intend to change now. !!!!!! :-) :-) :-) > > > >Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) > > > > > > > >JOHN BROADWELL wrote: > > > >> Ok so here it is, if someone has gone to all the trouble of "inventing" > >> double tongued plastic drone reeds, with this seductive sound, has anyone > >> else thought about double tongued cane ones? would/does it work? would > they > >> take too much air? would they play at all? will I have time to try this > out > >> at the weekend? If anyone else has tried it I am sure that I would not be > >> the only one to be interested in the results and hopefully before I ruin > >> some perfectly good cane reeds ;~) ;~) ;~) > >> > >> I don't know, but double tonguing cane reeds sounds, well, remarkably, > erm, > >> sort of vaguely suggestive, can't think why, something in the dim and > >> distant past I think. > >> > >> Slainte > >> > >> John B > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alert !!!! Date: 29 Nov 1999 16:49:57 GMT In article <81rqtc$euu$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "James Stewart" wrote: > > I do believe I'm offended, The site was probably put on the web by the banjo pickin' kid from the movie "Deliverance". Ignorance abounds!! The guy probably doesn't have a clue about the tuning of the GHB. I recently received a CD which is a sort of anthology of piping music - some of it quite good - but one track it particular is of interest and caught my attention when I first listened to it. It's a GHB and banjo playing together, the banjo player isn't strumming chords in rhythm either but rather playing the tune along with the piper. It is unusual, but really pretty nice. All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann Pipe Reeds Date: 28 Nov 1999 16:58:45 -0800 I wish you were my neighbor ! ;-) Don CarnGalver wrote: > Im a maker of Uilleann Pipe reeds.I have made for Gay McKeown, Mike McGoldrick, > Kevin Rowesome etc., and was chosen reedmaker for Willie Clancy Summer School > 99. If you need reeds or info. mail me. > All the best > Alan Burton. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lyric search Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:07:31 -0500 Jeff, some of the tunes in your list were written as tunes rather than as songs- meaning they were composed without lyrics, and intended to be played as tuines- again no lyrics. Some of the lyrics you will find set to these tunes will be spurious at best. Going Home. By Cool Siloam's Shady Rill and For a Closer Walk With God can be found in hymnals. The Green Hills of Tyrol does have a set of lyrics AKA "The Scottish Soldier" The tune itself was adapted from Rossini's opera "William Tell", I understand. Brown Haiored Maid I believe is originally a gaelic song :Ho Ro Mo nighean Donn Bhoidheachd- lyrics may be found in one of the Rankin Family albums They sing it as a slow air, and do Mo Run Geal Dileas as a Quick March- go figure.. Spurious lyrics for Barren Rocks are legion, I'm afraid. I supect that the polkas mentioned do not have lyrics. Jeff wrote: > Looking for lyrics to > 1 Brown Haired Maiden > 2 Kevins Polka > 3 Sweeney's Polka > 4 Going Home > 5 By Cool Siloams Shady Rill > 6 Barron Rocks of Aden > 7 O For A closer Walk With God > 8 The Herding Song > 9 The Green Hills Of Tyrol > 10 The River Aora > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gaelic (Scottish) Bridal Toast help Date: 29 Nov 1999 10:53:53 -0500 However nice they may be, if it is indeed Scots Gaelic you want, you might try Craig Cockburn's pages :http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~craig/weddings.html Lawrie Silverberg wrote: > Will do. Thanks a lot. > > Lawrie > > >http://zinnia.umfacad.maine.edu/~donaghue/toasts08.html > >Try this page. It even has some rough pronunciations. > > > >Rob Hall > > > > > >Lawrie Silverberg wrote in message > >news:+TM7OGaHlyfIeCw9STOGmqrq=6aV@4ax.com... > >> A patient's daughter is getting married soon and she asked him to do > >> a toast to the bride in Gaelic. Unfortunately his Gaelic (Scottish) > >> is very rusty and I told him I'd try and find a _short toast for him > >> to give. Any suggestions (serious) would be appreciated. > >> > >> Lawrie > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 29 Nov 1999 16:47:56 -0000 We have two guys in our band with these things - they are brilliant. I just wish my electric pipes would break (Budgie pipes) so I could justify getting a set. P.S. Not only do they sound ok but are very well made. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Test/help question Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:02:28 GMT Has there been any messages posted since last night? I suspect my AOL maybe on the fritz again. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:50:17 GMT Not if you can't execute it well enough though.......the words "walk before you run" come to mind here........IMHO Lori Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > On 28 Nov 1999, Zudupiper wrote: > > > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > > > You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable > > instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. > > > > Zu > > If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more > challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the > day. > > ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:51:29 GMT Whats this Bill???? Yer a veteran now??? hehehehe ;-)))) Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >maybe the competition scene is different where you are.... > > I thought his comments were way off too, but I figured I'd wait to see if > anyone else said so first. > Hard tunes do not win prizes, especially in lower grades. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 19:00:58 GMT Kinda harsh in my mind........but have heard worse! If its a contemporary piece, the best advice is to use a contemporary piece by a reputable composer........ Lori oshpiper wrote: > In article , > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > > > ...And if it's a nice tune, kudos. If it's a poor tune unworthy of the > > competition platform, I think the judge is entitled to say so. Not > > necessarily mark point off because of it, but to steer the player in > > the proper direction for the good of the art. > > > > Chris > > Is it a judges intention to "steer" a player, when they make a private > comment to a soloist that the tune, a 2/4 March, was a "horse-shit" > tune. Or might there be another meaning to that type of comment? By > the way, the comment was solicited by the soloist when he asked the > judge what he thought of the tune. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:17:37 -0800 Ccc31807 wrote: > > In article <38420D63.66D8@worldnet.att.net>, Mike Le Boeuf > wrote: > > If I flood ebay wich a hundred sheesham wood pipes that cost > > $25.00, > > other importers will have to look other places to buy their pipes. > > But it 'could' (im hoping) it will force them to buy better pipes. > > Mike > > I think this is a GREAT idea. This is a classic application of > Gresham's Law applied to bagpipes. Not only will you be doing a great > deal to makers and purveyors of decent instruments, you will do a great > service to the non-piping public by having them waste only $25 instead > of $300 to $400, and you will make money at the same time. It's win/win > all the way around. The only ones you will be hurting are the frauds > and cheats, like the West Point cadet (supposedly), who attempt to sell > junk for non-junk prices, and they deserve to be hurt. > > The only thing I would add is that you need to make clear the origen of > the goods sold. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Well I am glad to hear I have 1 supporter who see's the same as I do. Thanks, Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:20:31 -0800 The Mann wrote: > > > > > I think this is a GREAT idea. > > I think its absurd. Selling junk pipes can only hurt piping in general, > and probably will have a few people giving up when their 20$ pipes bite > the dust (if they play at all) > > This is a classic application of > > Gresham's Law applied to bagpipes. Not only will you be doing a great > > deal to makers and purveyors of decent instruments, you will do a > great > > service to the non-piping public by having them waste only $25 instead > > of $300 to $400, and you will make money at the same time. It's > win/win > > all the way around. > > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > > The only ones you will be hurting are the frauds > > and cheats, like the West Point cadet (supposedly), who attempt to > sell > > junk for non-junk prices, and they deserve to be hurt. > > So these guys who get burned will hang around on Ebay and warn others? > Totally absurd idea! The only ones who will learn anything will be the > people who buy these, and they are more likely to quit than regroup > their money and buy a good set. > Bad idea anyway you look at it. > > > > > The only thing I would add is that you need to make clear the origen > of > > the goods sold.> > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > Network * > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - > Free! > > > > > > -- > "I'll out-pipe you anyday" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Your just upset because you didnt think of it first. :-p - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:19:55 -0800 > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > ~~~~~ Yes, I am out to Rip people off,, sure thats the way I do things.. It wont be $25 I will have to be around $60 because of shipping. How about I just let people buy these pipes for $300? thats ripping people off. $60 is the cost of a set of plastic reeds. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:57:27 GMT I played the Strathspey Mrs Isabelle MacDonald (Michael Grey's last book I think) for a judge from out west......the name eludes me right now, he ASKED about it, and for it........he really liked it........and my god, judges can tell if you miss things like doublings the second time through or whatever........and that is what you are being judged on right? the execution of a given tune......well, beyond the nuances that separate one strathspey from the next.........its pretty much not that difficult I wouldn't say for the standard tunesof the...MSR for example to be judged, if you know the tunes or not........its how it is played, consistency, bagpipe, musicality etc that is judged Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there > >to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, > >one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and > >reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's > >books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and > >the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally > >FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? > > > > Interesting advice. How would a judge treat (or judge) a tune he's not familiar > with? > Would that be an advantage or a disadvantage to the player? > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 12:20:44 -0800 If he's a decent judge he SHOULD be familiar with virtually every tune being played - he should at least have heard it. Some PBAs have a stipulation that the judge can request the sheet music for an unfamiliar or unpublished tune. What I was trying to say is that there are more than five good tunes out there. Any judge worth his $100 judging fee had better know every tune in the books I cited, or he's not really qualified to judge. Let's face it, would you like to have to sit through fifteen bad renditions of 'Siege of Delhi' and have to choose between them? I've had to do it, and it's a royal pain in the ass. Judges like to hear different tunes because when they're played well, they're a joy to hear. When they're played badly, it gives a judge the opportunity to stretch his vocabulary... If the judge is an inexperienced idiot, playing an odd tune could be a serious disadvantage. One reason why higher grades require you to submit a list of tunes is so the judge doesn't get bored hearing LAK over and over again. It's up to the games people - they pick the judges. IS "Bagpiip" wrote in message news:19991129045353.04258.00001208@ng-fv1.aol.com... > >why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there > >to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, > >one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and > >reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's > >books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and > >the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally > >FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? > > > > Interesting advice. How would a judge treat (or judge) a tune he's not familiar > with? > Would that be an advantage or a disadvantage to the player? > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:16:15 -0800 Bagpiip wrote: > > >I am hoping it will start to force other guys to import better pipes > >from better makers, to start to thin out the import of the real junk. > > Mike, > I find your story hard to believe for two reasons. Number 1 you've been on this > NG long enough to know perfectly well that none of these dealers who sell that > crap are here or read this NG, and two is the only time you have something to > say is when someone (especially newbies) come on asking about buying a set of > pipes, and then you suddenly appear with your "200$ specials" that are "really > not so bad". > It's obvious your only throwing out a cheap alternative to those who don't know > better. You ignore the fact that even if you sell them a relatively good set, > that chances are they will no longer be playable nevermind even exist a year > from now. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. nono,, the last time I sold a Sheesham wood bagpipe wasabout 3 years ago. It was from the first company that I baught bagpipes from and it was a 2 drone Irish Warpipe. I was just saying all of this crap about the $200 pipes as sarcasm. If he really wants a cheep sheesham wood pipe, I will get him one. $25 plus shipping. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 20:57:52 +0000 Yes, but that's the whole point. You should spend a year working on your competition tunes - at least, and the only difference between a 4 part and 6 part tune is the amount of music to remember. There are 4 parted tunes which are more difficult to execute. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. But in the judges' eye (or ear as the case may be) you have taken a bigger load on board, you're standing in from of him longer, and the longer you play, the more chances you have to screw up. So if you can manage to get through a 6 parted tune, with no screw-ups, it will weigh more heavily against someone who plays a 4 parted tune. Such things are taken into consideration. You have to prioritise your goals. If you win in grade three, yeah, you can go up to grade two, but what then? My point is this, if you push yourself hard to begin with, the challenges later will be easier to meet. I competed against a guy in America called Eric A. - and I'd love nothing more than to bring him into this discussion. He played the same march every year, from grade 4 to grade one. The Sweet Maid of Mull. Yeah, he won, but when he tried to get into open class he was declined. The criticism was that he never put any effort into it, and avoided every challenge - just to win. He won the battles and lost the war - so to speak. There's a difference between winning and maximizing your potential. 6 parted tunes are no more difficult to play - they're merely longer. And the harder you push yourself, the better you have to be to win. You build consistency That's maximizing your potential. As I remember, in Open class you had to play the MSR three times - why? to prove your consistency. And this is something you can begin building-up from the early stages (such as grade 3). You shouldn't aim at the next grade, but several grades above that. How do you define winning? Winning in grade three or reaching open class? - ALH On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Not if you can't execute it well enough though.......the words "walk before you > run" come to mind here........IMHO > Lori > > Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 1999, Zudupiper wrote: > > > > > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > > > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > > > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > > > > > You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable > > > instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. > > > > > > Zu > > > > If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more > > challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the > > day. > > > > ALH > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 12:17:25 -0800 Dear Mr. The Mann - You totally missed my point. In fact, your post shows that you and I are in total and complete agreement, you just don't realize it. You say, >Selling junk pipes can only hurt piping in > general, > and probably will have a few people giving up when their 20$ pipes > bite > the dust (if they play at all). Mike's point was that these junk pipes are being sold anyway, for about $300! His idea was to sell the same product for $20. Now, what do you think will happen? Buyer's of junk pipes will buy the $20 version rather than the $300 version, and the $300 sellers will be forced out of business. And the buyers will know that they have a $20 pipe rather than a $300 pipe, and will be that much more likely to know that they have junk. After all, what's the difference between a $20 guitar and a $300 guitar? Or a $20 guitar and a $1,000 guitar? You go on to say, > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and > doing > more harm than good to the instrument. Mike will not make much money doing this, and his customers will be ripped off much less than if they buy the same product for $300. Yes, it will do harm to the instrument, but it will do MUCH LESS harm than the present situation. > So these guys who get burned will hang around on Ebay and warn > others? > Totally absurd idea! The only ones who will learn anything will be > the > people who buy these, and they are more likely to quit than regroup > their money and buy a good set. > Bad idea anyway you look at it. You've got this backwards. With all these $20 pipes flooding the market, who is going to hang around Ebay? This will drive the frauds and cheats out of business. Will you tell me that you want the frauds and cheats to stay in business? Mr. The Mann, which is the worst evil: (a) worthless pipes sold for $300 to unsuspecting buyers? or (b) worthless pipes sold for $20 to suspecting buyers? Why do you think I made the reference to Gresham's Law? Think about it and comne back and tell us that you have reconsidered and now think this is a GREAT idea. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 11:24:13 -0800 > > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > Before you buy. ~~~~~~ Also, if you look at my auctions on ebay, you can really tell im out to 'Rip-off unsuspecting new players', a set of 1950's Sinclairs going fo $455.00 a full ivory mounted pipe going for $1010.00 Yeh, im really rolling in on the profits on this one. (Sarcasm) - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Composer Info Date: 29 Nov 1999 16:06:52 -0500 Does anyone out there know who composed the hornpipe "Wee Alec From Fort William" ??? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com Date: 29 Nov 1999 16:34:21 -0500 On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:01:38 +0100, wpatr@dial.active.ch wrote: >Uh? Yeah? Naw! >I didn't say anything about the site or the expertise. Just ventured an >opinion on the corny name. Any branches in Tinseltown? >Consider ma heid rested Ha, okay!!! How about the Scotch Boutique ??? >Chris Hamilton wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:41:36 +0100, wpatr@dial.active.ch wrote: >> >> >PS I'd be wary of a site named tartantown. Yuk! >> >> Uh, yeah, except that Terry Lee, P/M of the Simon Fraser University >> band and one of the best-known figures in piping, runs the piping end >> of it ... so ye can rest your little heid. >> >> Chris >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com >> City of Washington Pipe Band >> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss Date: 29 Nov 1999 13:41:10 -0800 You will sustain some hearing loss by the time you're fifty if you start playing at twelve or so. Most pipers experience some hearing loss as they age - it's a common side effect of playing. Wearing earplugs will help prevent major loss, or so say the audiologists. IS "Brad Morrison" wrote in message news:2750ac20.b4f57216@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com... > What's the deal on hearing loss for pipers? > If I practice indoors, I will usually wear earplugs, as the idea of > being deaf is pretty unappealing. On the other hand, I prefer to hear > the pipes in all their glory. > > I like things LOUD! > > So, does anyone have any experience with this. What else are others > doing? Is hearing loss a legitimate concern? I know that with a lot > of noise that causes hearing loss, it's the cumulative effect of long > periods of time - so I wonder if an hour or so is really that dangerous. > > Brad > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heatscan@kalama.com (Iknow) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search Date: 29 Nov 1999 22:08:42 GMT In article <3841D1BE.F85C3FA@pacwest.net>, Don Robertson wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know where to get the Cap badge for the Regiment that wears a scull and crossed bones ? Also, what Regiment would that be ? Cheers Don _________________ The only outfit I know is the SS from Nazi Germany. Regards, Gerhard -- Recte faciendo Neminen Timeas Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth? - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean Gould" Subject: (bagpipe) The British Shop Date: 29 Nov 1999 22:52:37 -0000 Hello all, Does the British Shop of Kenmore, New York have a webpage? I thought I had seen one a while back, but now my searches have netted me nothing. Would appreciate the address if you have it, Thanks, Jean - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search Date: 29 Nov 1999 23:46:43 GMT >Cap Badge search You may be thinking of the Waffen SS; they did a lot of that. Stu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 17:41:16 -0800 Dear Mr. The Mann - I will admit that my first post was a little tongue-in-cheek. Actually, I kind of liked the idea of offering $20 pipes for sale on Ebay as kind of a joke on those idiots selling $150 for a starting bid of $500 and people bidding them up from there. Did you catch that photo on Ebay of a practice chanter for sale with the reed placed in the mouthpiece!? If not, go back and find it, it was hilarious. Gresham's Law is a prinicipal of economics that bad money drives out good. The best example in living memory in the U.S. was when the clad coins were issued in 1968. Guess what happened to the silver coinage. The idea, as relates to bagpipes, is that bad pipes drive out good pipes, so worse pipes (the $20 variety) will drive out the bad pipes. I don't mean this seriously, obviously, but this is the Bolshevik in me. Too, someone who gets ripped off for $20 is harmed less than someone who gets ripped off for $300. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but adultry is worse than flirting, and murder is worse than assault. We would be in a very bad state is we, like Paul, sinned more so that grace may abound more. In any case, bad pipes sell because people buy them. If Mike can earn a buck by selling cheaper pipes, that's his right, and his customers will get what they pay for. Who is to blame? We are, you and I, for neglecting our duty to educate the public about quality pipes. And the fact that the public doesn't seem to care is no excuse, because a good educator creates interest. So if you want to see who is responsible for $300 pipes, just look in the mirror. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Scots Guards, Vol 2 Date: 29 Nov 1999 17:52:38 -0800 I have budgeted money to purchase some more music, and I am wondering about Vol. 2, Scots Guards. I would like something with a number of good, traditional tunes, and as I am building a basic library, I want to stick with the basics. For the money, US$55, is there something that might be better? The only reason that I am considering Vol. 2 is because I have and like Vol. 1, and the theory is that if one is good, two are better. TIA. Maybe another question: what are the three or four basic light music books that are central to every piper, i.e., tune books aside from tutors, piob., and historical and theoritical works? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots Guards, Vol 2 Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:24:33 -0800 Ross collection 5 books; Seumas MacNeill 2 books; Donald MacLeod 6 books; all 15-18 each. Michael Grey 1-4; Matheson 1-3; Worrall I&II; Angus MacDonald I&II; all about $25 each Buy the SGII - you can't go wrong OR get Seaforth Collection, Cabar Feidh, Gordons I and II - all in the 40-60 range. Hell, get them all, you'll need them. IS "Ccc31807" wrote in message news:3fc5848e.34bd66ee@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com... > I have budgeted money to purchase some more music, and I am wondering > about Vol. 2, Scots Guards. I would like something with a number of > good, traditional tunes, and as I am building a basic library, I want > to stick with the basics. For the money, US$55, is there something that > might be better? > > The only reason that I am considering Vol. 2 is because I have and like > Vol. 1, and the theory is that if one is good, two are better. > > TIA. > > Maybe another question: what are the three or four basic light music > books that are central to every piper, i.e., tune books aside from > tutors, piob., and historical and theoritical works? > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss Date: 29 Nov 1999 23:50:36 GMT If you are playing out of doors, all the damaging volume goes up three times and down and out once. Indoors, you will probably damage your hearing without plugs of one sort of another (I did and now wear a hearing aid in my right ear --the military started it in the right ear). In band halls it is really dangerous. Stu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 29 Nov 1999 23:03:54 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:02:19 GMT, "Robert N MacLeod" wrote: >Chris brings up an interesting point here that I believe is more apparent in >the higher levels of competing, than in the lower grade, and that is the >Judges preference to tune selections. good points there, Robert ... I've even had a couple of judges recommend that I *not* play certain settings of tunes, for instance the RSPBA setting of Lord Alex versus the Scots Guards ... most people just aren't familiar with the former. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor) Date: 30 Nov 1999 03:44:26 GMT On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:21:35 GMT, "Savage Piper" wrote: >> I think Timmy is overly concerned with his private post. >> >> Royce > >It still gets plenty of use there Royce.....And if that's the best cheap >shot you can take...well....I have even less respect for you then I thought. >Tim Cheap shot, or shrewd observation? Well, we shant rely on *you* to make that determination. Royce - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 29 Nov 1999 23:27:49 -0800 John910 wrote: > > Ok...I am putting on my flame retardant suit..I have researched several pipe > making firms in Pakistan, and have actually ordered a pipe chanter and a > practice chanter from one company. THey sent me the items WITHOUT my paying for > them first, and I was surprised at the good quality when I got them. > The ones I ordered were ebony , and the finish was > glassy and perfect, the bores are smooth polished, and lo and behold...THEY ARE > IN TUNE! Also the chanter fits perfectly in my Scots bagpipe, unlike the last > set I had that had stocks of totally different sizes. My take on this is that > there are good paki pipes and bad paki pipes...same as there are good Scots > pipes and bad Scots pipes. The difference is that you have to research the > product thoroughly and demand the quality. I am biting the bullet and ordering > the ebony pipes to see if they are as good as the PC and chanter. More to > come...Try not to flame me too badly... > John LoL,, Your in trubble now... - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) (no subject) Date: 30 Nov 1999 05:34:26 GMT bc - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 00:04:07 -0800 Ccc31807 wrote: > > Dear Mr. The Mann - > > I will admit that my first post was a little tongue-in-cheek. Actually, > I kind of liked the idea of offering $20 pipes for sale on Ebay as kind > of a joke on those idiots selling $150 for a starting bid of $500 and > people bidding them up from there. Did you catch that photo on Ebay of > a practice chanter for sale with the reed placed in the mouthpiece!? If > not, go back and find it, it was hilarious. > > Gresham's Law is a prinicipal of economics that bad money drives out > good. The best example in living memory in the U.S. was when the clad > coins were issued in 1968. Guess what happened to the silver coinage. > The idea, as relates to bagpipes, is that bad pipes drive out good > pipes, so worse pipes (the $20 variety) will drive out the bad pipes. I > don't mean this seriously, obviously, but this is the Bolshevik in me. > > Too, someone who gets ripped off for $20 is harmed less than someone > who gets ripped off for $300. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but > adultry is worse than flirting, and murder is worse than assault. We > would be in a very bad state is we, like Paul, sinned more so that > grace may abound more. > > In any case, bad pipes sell because people buy them. If Mike can earn a > buck by selling cheaper pipes, that's his right, and his customers will > get what they pay for. Who is to blame? We are, you and I, for > neglecting our duty to educate the public about quality pipes. And the > fact that the public doesn't seem to care is no excuse, because a good > educator creates interest. > > So if you want to see who is responsible for $300 pipes, just look in > the mirror. > . > . > . > . > . > . > Just kidding. ;-) > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Well, I am really not trying to make a buck on them.. If I was I would post each set for $200 even, the money I make will probably go back to the makers to pay them off, plus $25 for shipping. I am having a hard time finding a maker to make the pipes at $25 each and have them work. So the cheapest price I have found is $40.00, then $20-25 for shipping. That is already higher than I originaly planned, but if I want the pipes to work and have a decent bag, and clean bores, I have to pay it. I contacted about 5 makers, all said around $90-120. The lowest was $40.00. Maybe he will give me a discount if I buy around 20 or so. But to make sure the turning is decent, i will send him my scottish made set so he can copy it. I am not saying any names again, too many people got pissed. But I plan on recieving the sets just with Plain turning, Antique styles, or Flat combing. Well, we will see what happens.. After all, i dont know what will happen. Mike - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 00:11:53 -0800 Carefull now, we are getting other peopls words mixed up with mine. I believe I really wont make a profit on these, unless some idiot bids more than what they are worth. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 13:05:00 +0000 On 28 Nov 1999, APayzant wrote: > >Subject: Re: Veteran Questions > >From: Andrew Lee Hagen alh2@st-andrews.ac.uk > >Date: Sat, 27 November 1999 04:34 PM EST > >Message-id: > > > > > >If the judges are still the judges I played for - the reel should be cut and > held. > > I would agree that cut and held reels are generally more appropriate, > especially for grade 3. In my opinion, a well played "round" reel actually > requires more control than a "cut and hold" reel, because the phrasing (or lack > thereof) is more apparent. That is, they aren't strictly round at all, but > have more subtle phrasing. However, a few reels are well suited to a rounder > style of play at any grade level. I agree completely. And as you said, it's more difficult to play 'round', so grade III players should at least consider sticking to the cut and held style. I personally play them round... It's much more fun. > > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > Sure, for grade 1, but don't even think about using these tunes for grade 3 > solos. If you can play these tues well, you don't belong in grade 3! There > still are lots of wonderful 4-parted "classic" 2/4s to choose from. > No, I played Highland wedding in grade three - Lord Alex in grade two and Bonnie Ann in grade one. Sorry for not being clear. > >It's usually a matter of knowing your judge, what tunes s/he likes, what > >style they perfer... Also you want a tune they're bound to know, but > >isn't so common that it's being played by ten other competitors. > > Again, this is much less of an issue in grade 3. Judges are looking for a > clean performance of a good 2/4 march. I would contend that differences in > style aren't an issue in this grade, given the usual differences in quality of > play. A good person to ask is Lezlie Webster. > > >I think they're looking for control in grade 3 - tempo, > >technique, solid playing. > > True in grade 3, and in any other grade for that matter. > > Cheers, > > Andrew > Well, we should 'disagree to agree'... ALH - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@skyway.usask.ca Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Scots Guards, Vol 2 Date: 30 Nov 1999 14:43:32 GMT In a previous article, "Robert N MacLeod" wrote: >Scots Guards Volume II a definite must for ANY and ALL bagpipe >collections....although... I don't think it is better than Vol. I. > >MacLeod and Ross books would be the next logical addition... > However Ross and ScotsGuards are pretty much the same -- I think I heard that the SG was based on/or developed by Ross. I would put the books in order SG-I, Seaforth/Q.O. Highlanders, Edcath (1&2 only), MacLeod (1-4, 5&6 if you're rich), SG-II.. hmm what next -- Glenallan/Glendural/Logan's? (probably not avail. anymore). chris - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 07:05:48 -0800 >Adding to the crap selling problem only increases the whole problem, >because hes sure to reach a whole different level of buyers with a 20$ >pipe, than he would with a 200$ pipe, because most people who have >200$ will think theyre getting more for 200 than they would for 20. I >believe this to be true even if he stresses that they are EXACTLY the >same pipes. Well, this is part of the problem as well as part of the solution. There are actually two related problems here. The first consists of buyers looking for bargain pipes, who buy a $300 pipe, and think that it is more or less equvalent to a Naill or Shephard or Gibson. They may have a suspicion that there is a difference, but operate under an assumption that a pipe is a pipe and a $300 Paki is just as good, almost, as a $1,100 Naill. The second problem consists of those people who buy USED $300 pipes on Ebay for $500 and think that they are getting a real steal. These people are really being taken for a ride, and the people selling to them are guilty of moral fraud, if not legal fraud. I say this as a buyer of a $300 pipe from a dealer, years ago, but at least I know up front that the pipe was made in Pakistan from "eastern cocuswood" and that it was not a standard Scottish pipe. The solution, which I thought was a great idea and I haven't changed my mind, is to auction the stew out of cheap pipes on Ebay. This will certainly undercut the market on those that try to sell a used $300 pipe, which is worth probably half that, for $500. Those buyers that are serious will investigate what's available and make up their own minds. Those that are not serious will be buying a toy, but they will know that it is a toy. And no, I don't agree with you that stealing $20 and stealing $200 are equally bad. Following this logic would put a person who killed one person in the same category as Hitler, who killed twelve million, or Stalin, who killed 70 million, or Mao, who killed (reportedly) over 120 million. There are minor offenses that do not rate the same penalty as more serious offenses, otherwise we might be executing traffic offenders and fining murderer's $60. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 14:58:01 GMT In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: ... > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:02:19 GMT, "Robert N MacLeod" > wrote: > > >Chris brings up an interesting point here that I believe is more apparent in > >the higher levels of competing, than in the lower grade, and that is the > >Judges preference to tune selections. > > good points there, Robert ... > > I've even had a couple of judges recommend that I *not* play certain > settings of tunes, for instance the RSPBA setting of Lord Alex versus > the Scots Guards ... most people just aren't familiar with the former. > > Chris These types of comments lead me to conclude that piping judges will, and have, graded soloists more favorably when they play a well know, established tune, of a know setting. Is it that the judge puts a higher value upon a soloists playing when his/her job is made easier by the piper? Are judges unable or just unwilling to put forth the effort to judge a little known or obscure tune? Is that asking too much of todays judges? If so, what does it boil down to? I'm really trying not to be rude here. This is not a new issue, but it might be some additional food for thought. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The British Shop Date: 30 Nov 1999 11:19:15 -0400 Robert Barker wrote: > "Jean Gould" wrote in message > news:81veaj$kdm$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net... > > Hello all, > > > > Does the British Shop of Kenmore, New York have a webpage? I thought I > > had seen one a while back, but now my searches have netted me nothing. > > Would appreciate the address if you have it, > > It should be at www.BritishShop.com > > I'm not sure that they offer an on-line catalog yet, though. > > Bob B. Yep, their catalog is available in PDF format for downloading from their site: http://www.britishshop.com/ Doug C. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:35:31 GMT In article <0a0bc822.31c63f5c@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com>, Ccc31807 wrote: > Too, someone who gets ripped off for $20 is harmed less than someone > who gets ripped off for $300. But, there are more people willing to pay $20 than $300. So does ripping off 15 people, at $20 a crack, make it less harmfull? Sounds like more cumalative moral damage to me. ...No, two wrongs don't make a right, but > adultry is worse than flirting, Not to the wife/husband who has to watch and suffer through it and never are the recipient of it. .. and murder is worse than assault. Only because it's "man's" attempt to "quantify" it. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 16:15:48 GMT In article <820pbu$hcs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, oshpiper wrote: > > How would a 2/4 march, such as, "PM Donald > MacLean", be viewed by you in a Grade II solo competition? Worthy or > unworthy tune? > It may cause a few problems, since I believe it's a 6/8 march. More properly - "P/M Donald McLean of Lewis". :-) All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Sheppard" Subject: (bagpipe) Warnok drone reeds Date: 30 Nov 1999 10:15:57 -0600 Greetings Group, A friend on mine asked for information that I thought the Group could help with. He said he had a set of Warnok drone reeds and needed a replacement toungue for one of them. I forgot to ask it it was drone or tenor. Does anyone have information on who might be selling Warnok drone reeds? Any information would be usefull. Thanks in advance. Dan Sheppard - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 10:50:26 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:58:01 GMT, oshpiper wrote: >In article , > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > >... >> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 01:02:19 GMT, "Robert N MacLeod" >> wrote: >> >> >Chris brings up an interesting point here that I believe is more >apparent in >> >the higher levels of competing, than in the lower grade, and that is >the >> >Judges preference to tune selections. >> >> good points there, Robert ... >> >> I've even had a couple of judges recommend that I *not* play certain >> settings of tunes, for instance the RSPBA setting of Lord Alex versus >> the Scots Guards ... most people just aren't familiar with the former. >> >> Chris > >These types of comments lead me to conclude that piping judges will, and >have, graded soloists more favorably when they play a well know, >established tune, of a know setting. Is it that the judge puts a higher >value upon a soloists playing when his/her job is made easier by the >piper? Possibly, they are human after all. >Are judges unable or just unwilling to put forth the effort to >judge a little known or obscure tune? Is that asking too much of todays >judges? No, but you can't help being more comfortable with a familiar setting or tune. The classics are the classics for a good reason - they're catchy and enjoyable and darn it, people like them (apologies to Al Franken). I don't think the judges in question marked me down for playing the alternative setting of LAK ... I played it badly that day regardless! They were just advising me ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:09:54 GMT, oshpiper wrote: >In article , > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > >> Yes, I feel it is entirely appropriate for a judge to comment on such >> things. Not to penalize, but guide the players toward good musical >> choices. >> >> Chris > >That's understandable. How would a 2/4 march, such as, "PM Donald >MacLean", be viewed by you in a Grade II solo competition? Worthy or >unworthy tune? Fabulous tune, excellent tune, perfectly appropriate at any level. Now maybe the judge that made the "horseshit tune" comment just hates that particular tune. I'm sure he wouldn't consider that in scoring you, just was remarking to you that he hates that tune. I abhor "Lady Lever Park" but I'd never hold it against you for playing it (unless your F was out of tune ...) Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:09:54 GMT In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: > Yes, I feel it is entirely appropriate for a judge to comment on such > things. Not to penalize, but guide the players toward good musical > choices. > > Chris That's understandable. How would a 2/4 march, such as, "PM Donald MacLean", be viewed by you in a Grade II solo competition? Worthy or unworthy tune? Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Sheppard" Subject: (bagpipe) Great Kilt Date: 30 Nov 1999 10:26:30 -0600 Greetings Group, I saw a web site from the Tartan Web about the Great Kilt and how to make and wear the kilt. Has anyone tried this method and did it work? The site is www.tartanweb.com/tweb/greatkilt/braveheart.htm If anyone has information that they would like to share I would be thankful. I am going to give it a try but would like other input. Thanks in advance. Dan Sheppard When you are going up the hill of fortune, may you never see a friend comming down. R. Burns - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 11:22:24 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0500, Chris Hamilton wrote: >On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:09:54 GMT, oshpiper >wrote: > >>In article , >> toneczar@erols.com wrote: >> >>> Yes, I feel it is entirely appropriate for a judge to comment on such >>> things. Not to penalize, but guide the players toward good musical >>> choices. >>> >>> Chris >> >>That's understandable. How would a 2/4 march, such as, "PM Donald >>MacLean", be viewed by you in a Grade II solo competition? Worthy or >>unworthy tune? > >Fabulous tune, excellent tune, perfectly appropriate at any level. Oops, I'm assuming you mean "P/M Donald MacLean's Farewell to Oban" ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Warnok drone reeds Date: 30 Nov 1999 12:02:48 -0500 I suspect he means Wygent, and you need to know is it bass or tenor. You have three easy options, if they are indeed Wygents: 1 Send the drone reed back to Wygent for re-tonguing. It'll cost $5 plus shipping, and turn around time is reasonable. 2 Get replacement tongues from Peter Crisler- about $3 each, tie them on yourself 3 Contact Zudupiper- or wait till he responds with a swap-out deal. Daniel Sheppard wrote: > Greetings Group, > A friend on mine asked for information that I thought the Group could > help with. He said he had a set of Warnok drone reeds and needed a > replacement toungue for one of them. I forgot to ask it it was drone or > tenor. Does anyone have information on who might be selling Warnok drone > reeds? Any information would be usefull. Thanks in advance. > > Dan Sheppard - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Reeds Wanted Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:49:41 GMT Does anyone have a set of Shepherd, or similar plastic reeds they want to sell? It doesn't matter what condition they are in as I can re-tongue them myself. I'm trying helping a hacker get an acceptable sound from his pipes. Maybe, just maybe, he'll see the light and start learning properly. Cheers Bill Carr - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots Guards, Vol 2 Date: 30 Nov 1999 16:24:21 GMT In article <3fc5848e.34bd66ee@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com>, Ccc31807 wrote: > I have budgeted money to purchase some more music, and I am wondering > about Vol. 2, Scots Guards. I would like something with a number of > good, traditional tunes, and as I am building a basic library, I want > to stick with the basics. For the money, US$55, is there something that > might be better? > > The only reason that I am considering Vol. 2 is because I have and like > Vol. 1, and the theory is that if one is good, two are better. If you like the first, you'll love the sequel. Scots Guards Books (both volumes) have a lot of great tunes in settings which are generally held as the standard settings. They make a good basis with which to begin building your library. Our prices are $51.50 each, for the Scots Guards books which includes shipping and handling. That would leave you enough money left over to build a couple more manometers. :-) All the best, Jim -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Composer Info Date: 30 Nov 1999 14:06:59 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:54:49 -0000, "Christopher Eyre" wrote: >I don't know who composed it but I would like to know if "wee Alec" is the >Alex MacDonald who used to be the Station Master at Fort William and who >died recently. He ran the Lochaber Junior Pipe Band for many years. > >If you're interested, I've put up a photo of him and of the band. >http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/alex/macdonald.htm Thanks Chris. I'm told it was a John Burgess composition. Chris > >Chris Hamilton wrote in message >news:jmq54skm53ktq401oi2liuomoie0c4kurn@4ax.com... >| Does anyone out there know who composed the hornpipe "Wee Alec From >| Fort William" ??? >| >| Chris >| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >| Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com >| City of Washington Pipe Band >| http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:01:48 -0500 Hi Brad... After some personal study.... I have obtained a set of "musician's earplugs" which attenuate the sound more evenly across the spectrum of pitch than just foam...but foam is better than nothing... especially if you pipe indoors...especially if you pipe indoors with other pipers... especially if you are next to the very percussive Scottish snare drums... My advice to you.... go get your hearing tested (either pay for it or wait for a free hearing clinic available to the public and save the results across all pitch frequencies... then in a year or two.... get it tested again... and make your decision accordingly... Best Wishes It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) Brad Morrison wrote: > What's the deal on hearing loss for pipers? > If I practice indoors, I will usually wear earplugs, as the idea of > being deaf is pretty unappealing. On the other hand, I prefer to hear > the pipes in all their glory. > > I like things LOUD! > > So, does anyone have any experience with this. What else are others > doing? Is hearing loss a legitimate concern? I know that with a lot > of noise that causes hearing loss, it's the cumulative effect of long > periods of time - so I wonder if an hour or so is really that dangerous. > > Brad > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Great Kilt Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:12:00 GMT Dan, I would think that there are very few of us within this NG that wear that style of kilt. The norm would be the victorian style that uses sewn in straps and buckles. When your trying to get ready for a band or solo competiton, no one wants to have to roll on the ground to get dressed. Save that one for the highland game warriors. -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 11:28:45 -0800 SOMEBODY SAID HITLER. Time to end the thread IS "Ccc31807" wrote in message news:2a42f762.00a33979@usw-ex0107-042.remarq.com... > >Adding to the crap selling problem only increases the whole problem, > >because hes sure to reach a whole different level of buyers with a 20$ > >pipe, than he would with a 200$ pipe, because most people who have > >200$ will think theyre getting more for 200 than they would for 20. I > >believe this to be true even if he stresses that they are EXACTLY the > >same pipes. > > Well, this is part of the problem as well as part of the solution. > There are actually two related problems here. The first consists of > buyers looking for bargain pipes, who buy a $300 pipe, and think that > it is more or less equvalent to a Naill or Shephard or Gibson. They may > have a suspicion that there is a difference, but operate under an > assumption that a pipe is a pipe and a $300 Paki is just as good, > almost, as a $1,100 Naill. The second problem consists of those people > who buy USED $300 pipes on Ebay for $500 and think that they are > getting a real steal. These people are really being taken for a ride, > and the people selling to them are guilty of moral fraud, if not legal > fraud. I say this as a buyer of a $300 pipe from a dealer, years ago, > but at least I know up front that the pipe was made in Pakistan from > "eastern cocuswood" and that it was not a standard Scottish pipe. > > The solution, which I thought was a great idea and I haven't changed my > mind, is to auction the stew out of cheap pipes on Ebay. This will > certainly undercut the market on those that try to sell a used $300 > pipe, which is worth probably half that, for $500. Those buyers that > are serious will investigate what's available and make up their own > minds. Those that are not serious will be buying a toy, but they will > know that it is a toy. > > And no, I don't agree with you that stealing $20 and stealing $200 are > equally bad. Following this logic would put a person who killed one > person in the same category as Hitler, who killed twelve million, or > Stalin, who killed 70 million, or Mao, who killed (reportedly) over 120 > million. There are minor offenses that do not rate the same penalty as > more serious offenses, otherwise we might be executing traffic > offenders and fining murderer's $60. > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Thomas Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss Date: 30 Nov 1999 17:08:10 -0500 I'd be interested also. Regards, Chris. Andrew Berthoff wrote: > The Piper & Drummer magazine published a piece on hearing loss four years > before that. It was by Dr. Patrick Potter, a piper and leading specialist on > physical problems affecting pipers and drummers. > > We can post the article on the Piper & Drummer site if folks are interested. > > We have also published other pieces from him on overuse syndrome and > dystonia in pipers. > > On that note, check out today's Online Poll at www.PiperAndDrummer.com. > > Cheers, > > Andrew Berthoff > Toronto, Canada > > EdASmith wrote in message > news:19991130153024.21004.00000071@ng-cl1.aol.com... > > Try to get a copy of the Summer 1999 Voice from the EUSPBA > > . James R. Bousquet did an excellent > > article on this subject. Perhaps Paula Glendenning could get his > permission to > > make this article available on the EUSPBA Voice web page permanently. > > > > The up-shot (to me, anyway) seems to be that ear plugs are a must when > playing > > indoors with a band, and a "REALLY good idea" when playing by yourself > indoors. > > Definitely go for the carpeted room whenever practicing for more than an > hour, > > and practice outside as often as possible. (pretty difficult here in > Michigan > > beginning this time of the year). > > > > Edward Smith - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Mao Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 14:37:11 -0500 Just commentary: Killing one person is less "evil" than killing millions of people.... unless you are the one person... it's just as bad... My feeling is... don't go selling/flooding the place with knowingly below standard pipes... the harm is not so much in "less harm at $20" than "a $300 ripoff"..... the harm is more in the purchaser newbie.... wasting so much of his/her beginner's time/life with a substandard instrument (as well as time of any instructors or fellow pipers or fellow band members trying to make the junk pipes work to a minimal level)....until he/she realizes she needs a good quality instrument... (and on top of that....needing to pass on/foist off the junk instrument he/she started with on someone else).... It’s nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you don’t have to learn everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( PekingPiper@mao.org ) oshpiper wrote: > In article <0a0bc822.31c63f5c@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com>, > Ccc31807 wrote: > > > Too, someone who gets ripped off for $20 is harmed less than someone > > who gets ripped off for $300. > > But, there are more people willing to pay $20 than $300. So does > ripping off 15 people, at $20 a crack, make it less harmfull? Sounds > like more cumalative moral damage to me. > > ...No, two wrongs don't make a right, but > > adultry is worse than flirting, > > Not to the wife/husband who has to watch and suffer through it and never > are the recipient of it. > > .. and murder is worse than assault. > > Only because it's "man's" attempt to "quantify" it. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:47:30 GMT In article <8cu74s4so2j3brlns4bplaesos4aotu2jk@4ax.com>, toneczar@erols.com wrote: > Oops, I'm assuming you mean "P/M Donald MacLean's Farewell to Oban" > ... > > Chris "Pipe Major Donald Maclean", by P.R. Macleod, Glasgow, 2/4 march, as set in Donald MacLeod's Book #1, page #9. Sorry to you and Jim for not clarifying that. So, should a judge be "steering" a piper away from this tune? A piper who plays it well? Just so we don't get confused here. The piper is not me. The comment by the judge about this tune is really what got me curious about it. Thanks again for the insight, Pat Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:51:20 GMT In article <820t7f$kc6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, aberdeen wrote: > It may cause a few problems, since I believe it's a 6/8 march. More > properly - "P/M Donald McLean of Lewis". :-) > > All the best, > > Jim No. Not "...of Lewis". Sorry for not clarifying it for you. Donald MacLeod's Book #1, page #9. I get crossed up too and I should have known that ahead of time. My fault. Sorry. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Late for the Funeral Date: 30 Nov 1999 23:17:40 GMT >Well if it isn't Bill bagpiip! Nice try Doug! I never hid before, why would I start now? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Late for the Funeral Date: 30 Nov 1999 23:18:36 GMT >Hard to hide that light under a bushel, BTW, what does that mean? I'm so bright I cannot hide? LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 01 Dec 1999 01:26:05 GMT >Any judge worth his $100 judging fee That's it? That's pathetic. In the EUSPBA, I think the going rate is $150, some big games might be a little higher. Of course, there's lodging and food that supposedly gets taken care of... Christ, $150 is about the least I charge for a performance, and I'm just grade 3. I would have thought that judges' fees would be a lot more than that. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Home alone . . . Date: 30 Nov 1999 19:21:13 -0500 Okay . . . I have been put in a VERY dangerous position and, true to form, I'm in trouble. My husband is off at the John C. Campbell Folk School for the week with his dulcimer. I, however, am home alone. Without said husband, I have about 8 extra hours a day . . . the house is clean and stays that way, there are no meals to prepare, no finding things, no bedtime . .. just me and Angus. If life could always be this way ::sigh:: . .. no. As stated, I got myself into trouble. WITH this extra time on my hands and finishing the final preparations for the cap badge, I had the porcelain out and a hot kiln . . begging for use. Use it I did. I have designed a new line of porcelain jewelry adorned with china painted THISTLES! Seven firings in two days! And just perfect for the Highland games (like I needed another project or business!). What I am begging of you is this. .. I seem to remember a poem about the thistle and want to use this with the jewelry. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'd sure appreciate the help! I don't know how I'm going to explain this one when he gets home. The last business I started ended up with us having to purchase an 11,000 sq. ft. building. GEEZ! Wish me luck! -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: GHB / Smallpipes / Hearing Loss -- Just confused! Date: 30 Nov 1999 18:31:01 -0500 Randy Kirby wrote in article <38440ccc.696045320@news.tiac.net>... > I'm interested in learning to play the bagpipes. > The question is then GHBs, smallpipes, border pipes, > fireside pipes or what? I want the sound of GHBs, but don't > need the volume and resulting hearing loss and possible > divorce. > Any suggestions? Randy- If you want the sound of GHB, but quieter, your only choice is borderpipes. Smallpipes and fireside pipes have a different sound altogether. Careful, though, about the sound of borderpipes - each maker produces a greatly varying sound, i.e. all borderpipes do not sound alike. Contact me if you want detailed info. about borderpipe makers/sounds. For example, John Swayne and Hamish Moore each make extraordinary sets of borderpipes, but with amazingly different sounds. One other idea: I have a set of Highland pipes in the key A made by Hamish Moore. They have a softer, more ancient sound, and are somewhat quieter than Bb Highland pipes, though still loud compared to borderpipes, smallpipes, fireside pipes, etc. I obtained a set to be able to play at pubs, dances, etc. indoors and with other musicians. Cheers. Matt - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:27:52 -0800 1950's are P. Henderson. The only real way to determine the date would be from silver hallmarks, if any; however, the price on the CoP tutor is contemporary with 1957-1960. The pipes shown are most probably Peter Henderson, since they are accompanied by three letters from the firm. Henderson was bought out by Hardie in the mid-sixties. They continued to operate until 1970, when production of pipes marked 'P. Henderson' ceased. It is interesting to note that the 'bakelite' mounts are the old casein imitation ivory, a highly toxic material, which probably resulted in the early death of at least three turners at Henderson's and probably many more at other makers. IS "Todd" wrote in message news:8226pa$oll$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > At what point did Henderson become Hardie? > > Check out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206511157 > > Hmmmnnn -- 1950s. Are they Hendy's or Hardies > > > > - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reeds Wanted Date: 01 Dec 1999 01:50:53 GMT >It doesn't matter what condition they are in as I can re-tongue them >myself. Guid on ye, lad! Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Henderson's or Hardies Date: 30 Nov 1999 20:01:29 -0800 At what point did Henderson become Hardie? Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206511157 Hmmmnnn -- 1950s. Are they Hendy's or Hardies - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Late for the Funeral Date: 30 Nov 1999 23:45:54 GMT >Could it be anyone else? You still haven't said "Why?". I don't need to hide, and I don't think his "style" is even close to mine. If it was do you think I'd print such detailed info if I wanted to be anonymous? Sorry, I'm smarter than that. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Date: 30 Nov 1999 13:15:02 -0800 O.K. everybody. Not only have we lost sight of the point, we seem to be assuming that people say what they have not said. The point Mike made was that there was a market for a cheeep $20 pipe (pun indented). The point I made was that we could undercut the Paki Ebay market by selling the product for its true value, rather than an inflated value to the uninformed. The point that The Mann made was that selling crap in any form for any price is not kosher. (But even used hay, after it's been through the horse, has its uses.) The point IS made is that this thread, having crossed the Hitler threshhold, needs to be ended. So I have resolved to make this my last post in this thread. My last word is that I fully agree with all of the above points. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 22:40:19 -0500 On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:47:30 GMT, oshpiper wrote: >In article <8cu74s4so2j3brlns4bplaesos4aotu2jk@4ax.com>, > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > >> Oops, I'm assuming you mean "P/M Donald MacLean's Farewell to Oban" >> ... >> >> Chris > >"Pipe Major Donald Maclean", by P.R. Macleod, Glasgow, 2/4 march, as set >in Donald MacLeod's Book #1, page #9. Just checked it out ... hmm not a real winner. I wouldn't recommend this for competition, particularly in the Amateur grades. Stick to the classics. Not the worst tune I've ever heard, but not in the league with "Glenfinnan Highland Gathering", "Atholl Highlanders March to Loch Katrine", "The Australian Ladies", "The Highland Wedding" and so on and so forth. >Sorry to you and Jim for not clarifying that. > >So, should a judge be "steering" a piper away from this tune? A piper >who plays it well? Just so we don't get confused here. The piper is >not me. The comment by the judge about this tune is really what got me >curious about it. "Horseshit tune"? ... No, but a forgettable tune for sure. Peter MacLeod wrote some great stuff, but this wasn't one of them. Yes, even if you play it well, better to play something memorable. Doesn't have to be the same tunes as everyone else, but something in the very large pool of classic 2/4 marches. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Date: 30 Nov 1999 18:32:25 -0800 Yes it is pathetic, but remember that the amount a small games can shell out varies. The fee is additional to judges' expenses, like travel, food, and hotel; the $100 or so is an honorarium, not a 'fee,' and is not necessarily set by the band association. Judges don't really do it for the money. Of course, at the Dan Reid, they get paid $500, two nights in the St. Francis, all their meals, spending money for incidentals...but that's for judging the Big Boys.... IS "Zudupiper" wrote in message news:19991130202605.01559.00000150@ng-fg1.aol.com... > >Any judge worth his $100 judging fee > > That's it? That's pathetic. > > In the EUSPBA, I think the going rate is $150, some big games might be a little > higher. Of course, there's lodging and food that supposedly gets taken care > of... > > Christ, $150 is about the least I charge for a performance, and I'm just grade > 3. I would have thought that judges' fees would be a lot more than that. > > Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search Date: 30 Nov 1999 17:50:06 -0800 I did a bit more digging and found the British Army's WEB site. They have all of the infantry listings as well as a really great image page. You only need to register, doesn't cost you anything, to see some great looking cap badges. http://www.army.mod.uk/army/organise/infan/index.htm#REG I finally did find the Scull and Crossbones badge. It was for the Queens Lancers. Although I think someone already pointed that out. Now to only find where to get one. Cheers Don - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Warnok drone reeds Date: 01 Dec 1999 02:01:41 GMT >I suspect he means Wygent, and you need to know is it bass or tenor. You >have three easy options, if they are indeed Wygents: >1 Send the drone reed back to Wygent for re-tonguing. It'll cost $5 plus >shipping, and turn around time is reasonable. >2 Get replacement tongues from Peter Crisler- about $3 each, tie them on >yourself >3 Contact Zudupiper- or wait till he responds with a swap-out deal. I've never hear of Warnock synthetic drone reeds..if they're Wygents, Bob has given you excellent advice that covers all the bases. If you go the Peter Crisler route, do yourself a favor and buy 2 sets of tongues in case you screw up the first set. Cheap enough. If you send the reed to Wygent, he retongues it like new. If you send it to me, I retongue it as a Zudupiper reed. I haven't done a 1-reed retongue...I think you're better off retonguing all 3 reeds at once. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss Date: 30 Nov 1999 23:41:19 GMT >I have >tinnitus(ringing noise- constant) in my left ear and I suspect it's related >to >20 years of the pipes. Haah, whats that? Nah, your just an old fart. Jim - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots Guards, Vol 2 Date: 01 Dec 1999 01:48:10 GMT >The only reason that I am considering Vol. 2 is because I have and like >Vol. 1, and the theory is that if one is good, two are better. I don't think so. I don't think SG2 is anywhere near as good as SG1. Not nearly as many tunes as SG1, and nowhere near as many good ones IMO. What it does give you (that you won't find elsewhere in convenient form) is 5 piobs, written out in full, along with some Highland Dance and Country Dance tunes. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't think much of SG2 at all. Zu - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Warnok drone reeds Date: 30 Nov 1999 19:42:56 -0700 Warnock DOES make a synth. reed as well, he may have the name correct. Take care, Don Bob Cameron wrote: > I suspect he means Wygent, and you need to know is it bass or tenor. You > have three easy options, if they are indeed Wygents: > 1 Send the drone reed back to Wygent for re-tonguing. It'll cost $5 plus > shipping, and turn around time is reasonable. > 2 Get replacement tongues from Peter Crisler- about $3 each, tie them on > yourself > 3 Contact Zudupiper- or wait till he responds with a swap-out deal. > > Daniel Sheppard wrote: > > > Greetings Group, > > A friend on mine asked for information that I thought the Group could > > help with. He said he had a set of Warnok drone reeds and needed a > > replacement toungue for one of them. I forgot to ask it it was drone or > > tenor. Does anyone have information on who might be selling Warnok drone > > reeds? Any information would be usefull. Thanks in advance. > > > > Dan Sheppard -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.