From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1839 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Thursday, November 22 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1839 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H [CANSLIM] BVF [CANSLIM] SHLR - Double Bottom? Re: [CANSLIM] SHLR - Double Bottom? RE: [CANSLIM] OT- Fiber capacity (Used to be Steel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:00:57 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C17323.6FE4CDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine, I have been holding USAP for some time now, with a loss of 22%. It is in = the Specialty Alloys group, GRS 4 and not much worse than the Steel = Producers (GRS 11), but has strong fundies. What would concern me with = the three you mention is that despite the gap up, and strong volume, all = three closed at or close to the low of the day's trading range. That = suggests they may fill the gap on Friday or Monday. I would also be concerned that at this point, NUE and AKS still do not = show consistent improvement in either their sales or earnings. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: CANSLIM List Posting=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Steel I've been watching the steel industry with great interest this last = year for signs of economic recovery. Today, NUE, X, AKS are gapping up = and breaking their downtrends. Granted, this is on news of consolidation = in the industry, but it's exactly what you'd want to see to show signs = of a bottom. Taking out excess capacity in any industry is a sign of a = change in tone. Now, if we can just see more signs that excess capacity = in telecom and fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* happy. =20 Katherine - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C17323.6FE4CDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Katherine,
 
I have been holding USAP for some time now, with a = loss of=20 22%. It is in the Specialty Alloys group, GRS 4 and not much worse than = the=20 Steel Producers (GRS 11), but has strong fundies. What would concern me = with the=20 three you mention is that despite the gap up, and strong volume, all = three=20 closed at or close to the low of the day's trading range. That suggests = they may=20 fill the gap on Friday or Monday.
 
I would also be concerned that at this point, NUE = and AKS=20 still do not show consistent improvement in either their sales or=20 earnings.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: CANSLIM List Posting
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 12:24=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Steel

I've been watching the steel industry = with great=20 interest this last year for signs of economic recovery. Today, NUE, X, = AKS are=20 gapping up and breaking their downtrends. Granted, this is on news of=20 consolidation in the industry, but it's exactly what you'd want to see = to show=20 signs of a bottom. Taking out excess capacity in any industry is a = sign of a=20 change in tone. Now, if we can just see more signs that excess = capacity in=20 telecom and fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* = happy.
 
Katherine
- ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C17323.6FE4CDC0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 06:42:42 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C17320.E3423800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately Paul, guess I have to agree, the curse is alive and well. = Maybe I should subscribe to IBD, and start shorting the stocks they = write about. So far, I have not found any news or other reason to account for the = heavy selloff yesterday. I did try to steal a few shares down in the $30 = base, but didn't fill my limit. I suspect a brokerage house may have cut = its ratings, but so far not identified who. Trading was mostly retail, = with average trade size 348 shares. This would tend to make me suspect = IBD readers as well. My only hope at this point is that most of the sellers were ones that = bot when IBD printed the article, and were shook out for a loss only a = few days later. If they keep doing this, eventually the Investors = Corner, and other similar articles, will loss credibility for immediate = investing. Of course, most of those investors will blame IBD rather than = their inability to read charts. I hope everyone else that listened to me when I pointed out the buy = opportunity at $30 was equally fortunate. I held, probably stupidly, my position in both my IRA and VR fund, as my = cost basis are $6.75 and $21.10 respectively. Friday's volume overall, = and possibly on this stock, is liable to be misleading on Friday, but if = I see it drift back into the $30 base, I may try again to pick up more = shares. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Lewis=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H EPIQ: Return of the Curse, Part 423. =20 We dohn need no steenkeeng exceptions! =20 At least I saw what what going on early enough to get out with a small = loss . . . unlike with TARO (wahh!) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:36 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H To have a good rule, you must also have an exception. =20 I think I did describe it as a "juggernaut". =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H Sorry Kent, The curse failed to kill EPIQ (yet) so it is null and void :-) Norm - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C17320.E3423800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfortunately Paul, guess I have to agree, the curse = is alive=20 and well. Maybe I should subscribe to IBD, and start shorting the stocks = they=20 write about.
 
So far, I have not found any news or other reason to = account=20 for the heavy selloff yesterday. I did try to steal a few shares down in = the $30=20 base, but didn't fill my limit. I suspect a brokerage house may have cut = its=20 ratings, but so far not identified who. Trading was mostly retail, with = average=20 trade size 348 shares. This would tend to make me suspect IBD readers as = well.
 
My only hope at this point is that most of the = sellers were=20 ones that bot when IBD printed the article, and were shook out for a = loss only a=20 few days later. If they keep doing this, eventually the Investors = Corner, and=20 other similar articles, will loss credibility for immediate investing. = Of=20 course, most of those investors will blame IBD rather than their = inability to=20 read charts.
 
I hope everyone else that listened to me when I = pointed out=20 the buy opportunity at $30 was equally fortunate.
 
I held, probably stupidly, my position in both my = IRA and VR=20 fund, as my cost basis are $6.75 and $21.10 respectively. Friday's = volume=20 overall, and possibly on this stock, is liable to be misleading on = Friday, but=20 if I see it drift back into the $30 base, I may try again to pick up = more=20 shares.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul=20 Lewis
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 4:12=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DRI = C&H

EPIQ:  Return of the Curse, Part = 423.
 
We dohn=20 need no steenkeeng exceptions!
 
At least I=20 saw what what going on early enough to get out with a small loss . . . = unlike=20 with TARO (wahh!)
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:36 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H

To have a good rule, you must also have an=20 exception.
 
I think I did describe it as a = "juggernaut".
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, = 2001=20 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DRI=20 C&H

Sorry=20 Kent,

The curse failed to kill EPIQ (yet) so it is null and = void=20 = :-)

Norm

- ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C17320.E3423800-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:28:48 -0600 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1732F.B505D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, My comment was not related to steel as a buy, but rather as a sign that = excess industry capacity was beginning to be deleted. I see this as a = sign that the industry is making a turnaround, nothing more. As steel is = a basic component of so many industries, watching continued improvement = in this group would give some sense of economic activity. At the time I = wrote the note early in the day, the gap and move up from it were still = strong. The drift down to the bottom of the day's range occurred late in = the day. I am also watching for change in 'tone' in industries such as = copper, both as a commodity and in proxy businesses such as PD. Just = another piece of the economic puzzle. Stocks like NUE and AKS will not = be showing consistent signs of earnings and sales improvement yet = because we can only see past history. I would not expect to see this = until the reorganizations and refocusing of business strategy took hold. = The next sign of recovery would be increases in earnings estimates. In a general sense, I like to watch industries in disarray for signs of = consolidation and change. Often there follows a period where the weak = players are taken out and shot, absorbed into stronger players or = morphed into new businesses. An example of this would be S&L's in about = 91. What emerges is a "new" industry with a strong growth story. That's = what I'm watching for in telecom and fiber, for example--consolidation, = reorg, refocus, bankruptcies, emergent technologies, emergent = applications of technology, etc. There are other industries where this = is currently going on, but as everyone seems to be focused on 'fallen = angels,' I mention it only as another example. >>I have been holding USAP for some time now, with a loss of 22% Must not be in your CANSLIM-stop-loss-at-8%-rule-account, hmm?* :) Happy Thanksgiving, Katherine *joke flag, just in case ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Hi Katherine, I have been holding USAP for some time now, with a loss of 22%. It is = in the Specialty Alloys group, GRS 4 and not much worse than the Steel = Producers (GRS 11), but has strong fundies. What would concern me with = the three you mention is that despite the gap up, and strong volume, all = three closed at or close to the low of the day's trading range. That = suggests they may fill the gap on Friday or Monday. I would also be concerned that at this point, NUE and AKS still do not = show consistent improvement in either their sales or earnings. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: CANSLIM List Posting=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Steel I've been watching the steel industry with great interest this last = year for signs of economic recovery. Today, NUE, X, AKS are gapping up = and breaking their downtrends. Granted, this is on news of consolidation = in the industry, but it's exactly what you'd want to see to show signs = of a bottom. Taking out excess capacity in any industry is a sign of a = change in tone. Now, if we can just see more signs that excess capacity = in telecom and fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* happy. Katherine - ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1732F.B505D500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,
 
My comment was not related to steel as = a buy, but=20 rather as a sign that excess industry capacity was beginning to be = deleted. I=20 see this as a sign that the industry is making a turnaround, nothing = more. As=20 steel is a basic component of so many industries, watching continued = improvement=20 in this group would give some sense of economic activity. At the time I = wrote=20 the note early in the day, the gap and move up from it were still = strong. The=20 drift down to the bottom of the day's range occurred late in = the=20 day.  I am also watching for change in 'tone' in industries such as = copper,=20 both as a commodity and in proxy businesses such as PD. Just another = piece of=20 the economic puzzle. Stocks like NUE and AKS will not be showing = consistent=20 signs of earnings and sales improvement yet because we can only see past = history. I would not expect to see this until the reorganizations and = refocusing=20 of business strategy took hold. The next sign of recovery would be = increases in=20 earnings estimates.
 
In a general sense, I like to watch = industries in=20 disarray for signs of consolidation and change. Often there follows a = period=20 where the weak players are taken out and shot, absorbed into stronger = players or=20 morphed into new businesses. An example of this would be S&L's in = about 91.=20 What emerges is a "new" industry with a strong growth story. That's what = I'm=20 watching for in telecom and fiber, for example--consolidation, = reorg,=20 refocus, bankruptcies, emergent technologies, emergent applications of=20 technology, etc.  There are = other industries=20 where this is currently going on, but as everyone seems to be focused on = 'fallen=20 angels,' I mention it only as another example.
 
>>I have been=20 holding USAP for some time now, with a loss of 22%
 
Must not be in your=20 CANSLIM-stop-loss-at-8%-rule-account, hmm?* :)
 
Happy Thanksgiving,
Katherine
 
*joke flag, just in case
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Thursday, November 22, = 2001 6:00=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Steel

Hi Katherine,
 
I have been holding USAP for some time now, with a = loss of=20 22%. It is in the Specialty Alloys group, GRS 4 and not much worse = than the=20 Steel Producers (GRS 11), but has strong fundies. What would concern = me with=20 the three you mention is that despite the gap up, and strong volume, = all three=20 closed at or close to the low of the day's trading range. That = suggests they=20 may fill the gap on Friday or Monday.
 
I would also be concerned that at this point, NUE = and AKS=20 still do not show consistent improvement in either their sales or=20 earnings.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001=20 12:24 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Steel

I've been watching the steel = industry with=20 great interest this last year for signs of economic recovery. Today, = NUE, X,=20 AKS are gapping up and breaking their downtrends. Granted, this is = on news=20 of consolidation in the industry, but it's exactly what you'd want = to see to=20 show signs of a bottom. Taking out excess capacity in any industry = is a sign=20 of a change in tone. Now, if we can just see more signs that excess = capacity=20 in telecom and fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* = happy.
 
Katherine
- ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1732F.B505D500-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:49:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel =============================================================== On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:28:48 -0600, Katherine Malm wrote: Hi Tom, My comment was not related to steel as a buy, but rather as a sign that excess industry capacity was beginning to be deleted. ================================================================ The union involved has correctly pointed out that steel capacity is a global issue, not just a US one. The proposed closings are a drop in the ocean, significant ONLY in the small mud puddle that is the US Steel industry. Virtually every nation with steel production capacity has more capacity than domestic industry can absorb (except perhaps for the USA). So where does the surplus production go? To the USA and countries that have not yet developed a domestic steel industry. There are precious few of the later, given that so much of the modern economy uses steel as a building block of industry. So, much of the excess capacity flows to the USA. The problems of the US Steel Industry are not going to be solved by this capacity reduction. If anything, the fallout from these closings will have long term negative effects on the industry. The problems need to be addressed at the International Political Level and at the International Trade level. The steel industry is quite often a matter of national pride, so a suggestion that 1/3 to 1/2 of capacity should be shutdown and a proportionate share of workers laid off will likely be received as a declaration of war. Steel stocks appear to me to be short term trading vehicles only. They stink as a long term holding, and I fail to see how we could construe these stocks as CANSLIM. Robert - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:01:49 -0600 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Again, Robert, I must repeat. I am *not* looking at steel as a CANSLIM candidate. I am looking at it only as a sign of economic activity. I do not invest in cyclical or basic industries unless there is new innovation that provides secular growth in the industry. Please don't misinterpret my comments. Katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gammon" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel > =============================================================== > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:28:48 -0600, Katherine Malm wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > My comment was not related to steel as a buy, but rather as a > sign that excess industry capacity was beginning to be deleted. > ================================================================ > > The union involved has correctly pointed out that steel capacity > is a global issue, not just a US one. The proposed closings are > a drop in the ocean, significant ONLY in the small mud puddle > that is the US Steel industry. Virtually every nation with steel > production capacity has more capacity than domestic industry can > absorb (except perhaps for the USA). So where does the surplus > production go? To the USA and countries that have not yet > developed a domestic steel industry. There are precious few of > the later, given that so much of the modern economy uses steel as > a building block of industry. So, much of the excess capacity > flows to the USA. > > The problems of the US Steel Industry are not going to be solved > by this capacity reduction. If anything, the fallout from these > closings will have long term negative effects on the industry. > The problems need to be addressed at the International Political > Level and at the International Trade level. The steel industry > is quite often a matter of national pride, so a suggestion that > 1/3 to 1/2 of capacity should be shutdown and a proportionate > share of workers laid off will likely be received as a > declaration of war. > > Steel stocks appear to me to be short term trading vehicles only. > They stink as a long term holding, and I fail to see how we could > construe these stocks as CANSLIM. > > Robert > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 17:40:24 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DRI C&H Got jerked out of another one today, was down 10% intraday, closed up nicely without me. I will not buy until I see much better action on my watch list. At 12:05 PM 11/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >It seems to be working at the total "M" . I noticed they finally >started talking about breakouts working in Monday's paper, and then we are >back to another distribution day on Tuesday! Ouch. > >Personally, I'm still sitting with my single CANSLIM holding waiting to see >a more consistent trend for leadership and CANSLIM stocks. > >At 07:16 PM 11/20/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Let'ssee if the IBDcurse is still inforce ! > > > >Kent Norman > > > >--- John Adair wrote: > >> Today's ibd stock screen lists DRI . There is a good > >> base and the handle is > >> forming over a 2 week period. Volume is drying up > >> The pivot is about 31.65 > >> I would expect the volume would have to reach over > >> 1,000000 for a good > >> blastoff The rest of the numbers look good. I > >> expect if tomorrow is an up > >> day it will go. > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher tim@OreRockOn.com Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists Web Pages http://OreRockOn.com/ - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:17:07 -0800 From: "Scott Gettis" Subject: [CANSLIM] BVF Double Bottom? Would like to see a tight handle form on low volume. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:57:46 -0800 From: "Scott Gettis" Subject: [CANSLIM] SHLR - Double Bottom? Chart looks great? Up down volume is 3.6 as list on ibds stock checks. sales 139%, 82%, 209% last 3 quarters - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:18:29 -0600 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHLR - Double Bottom? Hi Scott, SHLR is moving in tandem with DHI, which is acquiring it with a combo of stock and debt. Can't remember the exact terms. The only play left in SHLR is an arbitrage on the deal, unless you just want to own DHI when it's all said and done. Katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Gettis" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] SHLR - Double Bottom? > Chart looks great? Up down volume is 3.6 as list on ibds stock checks. > sales 139%, 82%, 209% last 3 quarters > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:46:45 -0600 From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT- Fiber capacity (Used to be Steel) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1734B.5CBE4780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail1.brightok.net id LAA14961 Thanks John for the excellent report. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Maycock Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:32 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT- Fiber capacity (Used to be Steel) If I could add what I hope is some insight to this discussion. This has nothing to do with CANSLIM except as background information. There are two major issues facing the transport side of the telecomm industry, dark fiber and network capacity. Dark fiber is fiber that has b= een laid in the ground but is not yet carrying traffic. Network capacity is t= he transmission capacity available on =93lit=94 fibers. As a fiber manufactu= rer Corning (GLW) is at the very end of the food chain, (70% of revenues IIRC= ). They had a really good run when everyone was installing new fiber cables. When new fiber cables are ordered, the incremental cost of installing additional strands of fiber is relatively low, a few cents per meter per fiber, compared to cable installation costs that can range from $2 to $10 and over per meter. Therefore to avoid having to install another cable, m= ost service providers installed cables with many more fibers than needed, hen= ce future proofing themselves against what they perceived as future demand a= nd threats from the newly financed CLECs. That demand has not yet materializ= ed and the competition has fizzled. As the fiber in the cables have near infinite capacity and at least a 40 year lifetime, I predict Corning will= be in a sorry state for some time to come despite their attempts to diversif= y. Corning is a special case among the fiber optic companies. The situation = is a little different for the equipment manufacturers. They will profit from growth in network capacity. Contrary to what you might think, demand for network capacity is still growing. The internet is still growing at 100% = per year, though voice and transaction data are back to their regular 7%. The current big drivers for capacity are music downloads and potentially vide= o downloads. By mid 2002 some routes in the US will require upgrades. Howev= er, the ILEC=92s are in the catbird seat and are driving prices down as the equipment manufacturers fight for business. The big names in the optical transport equipment business are IMHO the ones most likely to survive, (Nortel, Lucent, Ciena, Alcatel and Fujitsu). There are others who have g= ood market shares in non-North American markets who will also be around. The mantra of the industry is cost reduction. To make the battle for survival more interesting, there are predictions t= hat Capex from the big 11 US carriers will drop a further 30+% YoY in 2002. N= ot only have we not yet seen the predicted consolidation among the equipment manufacturers, further consolidation is likely among the service provider= s. Only a few will survive. Despite all this gloom, there are some interesting stocks in the telecomm space. Network management software company TTIL was mentioned here recent= ly. They allow service providers to reduce their operating costs. I do not me= an to tout it, but it does stand out as having a decent earnings record in t= he face of a declining market. Please IBD, don=92t write it up! John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:54 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Thanks Bill, I'll look forward to taking a look. Lots of dark fiber out there and too much legislation hampering the last mile. A good combo of legislation that makes the last mile installation m= ore cost effective for the providers, some good technological applications an= d further capacity take-out/industry consolidation should put the dark fibe= r to good use. GLW is a start...glad to see their change in strategy lately. D'you also see that they're refocusing their attention into other product lines as well? Very nice. Again, thanks for the link, Katherine - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Triffet To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel Katherine, I receive this newsletter via email but is online as well called the Wave Report. This issue has a blurb about the telecom and fiber optics industr= y. Its http://www.wave-report.com/other-html-files/Currentwave.htm Talks ab= out the meltdown of the telecom service providers and the bandwidth glut. Say= s Corning is closing a fiber plant for 3 months. - -Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: CANSLIM List Posting Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Steel I've been watching the steel industry with great interest this last year = for signs of economic recovery. Today, NUE, X, AKS are gapping up and breakin= g their downtrends. Granted, this is on news of consolidation in the indust= ry, but it's exactly what you'd want to see to show signs of a bottom. Taking out excess capacity in any industry is a sign of a change in tone. Now, i= f we can just see more signs that "taking out excess capacity in telecom an= d fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* happy. Katherine - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1734B.5CBE4780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks John for the excellent = report.

 

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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Maycock
Sent: Wednesday, November = 21, 2001 10:32 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = OT- Fiber capacity (Used to be Steel)

 

If I could add what I hope is some insight to = this discussion. This has nothing to do with CANSLIM except as background information.

 

There are two major issues facing the = transport side of the telecomm industry, dark fiber and network capacity. Dark fiber is = fiber that has been laid in the ground but is not yet carrying traffic. = Network capacity is the transmission capacity available on “lit” = fibers. As a fiber manufacturer Corning (GLW) is at the very end of the food chain, (70% of revenues IIRC). They had a really good run when everyone was installing = new fiber cables. When new fiber cables are ordered, the incremental cost of installing additional strands of fiber is relatively low, a few cents = per meter per fiber, compared to cable installation costs that can range from $2 = to $10 and over per meter. Therefore to avoid having to install another cable, = most service providers installed cables with many more fibers than needed, = hence future proofing themselves against what they perceived as future demand = and threats from the newly financed CLECs. That demand has not yet = materialized and the competition has fizzled. As the fiber in the cables have near = infinite capacity and at least a 40 year lifetime, I predict Corning will be in a = sorry state for some time to come despite their attempts to diversify. =

 

Corning is a special case among the fiber = optic companies. The situation is a little different for the equipment = manufacturers. They will profit from growth in network capacity. Contrary to what you = might think, demand for network capacity is still growing. The internet is = still growing at 100% per year, though voice and transaction data are back to = their regular 7%. The current big drivers for capacity are music downloads and = potentially video downloads. By mid 2002 some routes in the US will require = upgrades. However, the ILEC’s are in the catbird seat and are driving prices = down as the equipment manufacturers fight for business. The big names in the optical transport equipment business are IMHO the ones most likely to survive, = (Nortel, Lucent, Ciena, Alcatel and Fujitsu). There are others who have good = market shares in non-North American markets who will also be around. The mantra = of the industry is cost reduction.

 

To make the battle for survival more = interesting, there are predictions that Capex from the big 11 US carriers will drop a further 30+% YoY in 2002. Not only have we not yet seen the predicted consolidation among the equipment manufacturers, further consolidation = is likely among the service providers. Only a few will = survive.

 

Despite all this gloom, there are some = interesting stocks in the telecomm space. Network management software company TTIL = was mentioned here recently. They allow service providers to reduce their = operating costs. I do not mean to tout it, but it does stand out as having a = decent earnings record in the face of a declining market. Please IBD, = don’t write it up!

 

John

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Wednesday, November = 21, 2001 9:54 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Steel
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Thanks Bill, I'll look forward to taking a look.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Lots of dark fiber out there and too much legislation hampering the last mile. A = good combo of legislation that makes the last mile installation more cost = effective for the providers, some good technological applications and further = capacity take-out/industry consolidation should put the dark fiber to good = use. GLW is a start...glad to see their change in strategy lately. D'you also see = that they're refocusing their attention into other product lines as well? = Very nice.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Again, thanks for the link,

 <= /p>

Katherine= <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Wednesday, = November 21, 2001 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Steel

 <= /p>

Katherine,<= /p>

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I receive this newsletter via email but is online as well called the Wave = Report. This issue has a blurb about the telecom and fiber optics industry. Its = http= ://www.wave-report.com/other-html-files/Currentwave.htm  Talks about the meltdown of the telecom service providers and the = bandwidth glut. Says Corning is closing a fiber plant for 3 = months.<= /p>

 <= /p>

-Bill<= /p>

 <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

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To: CANSLIM List Posting

Sent: Wednesday, = November 21, 2001 9:24 AM

Subject: [CANSLIM] Steel

 <= /p>

I've been watching the steel industry with great interest this last year for = signs of economic recovery. Today, NUE, X, AKS are gapping up and breaking = their downtrends. Granted, this is on news of consolidation in the industry, = but it's exactly what you'd want to see to show signs of a bottom. Taking out = excess capacity in any industry is a sign of a change in tone. Now, if we can = just see more signs that "taking out excess capacity = in telecom and fiber optics is occurring, I'd be *very* = happy.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Katherine= <= /p>

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