From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2029 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Saturday, January 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2029 In this issue: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole Re: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole Re: [CANSLIM] The mole AW: [CANSLIM] The mole Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:35:41 +0100 From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole Sorry to ask you questions about wording, but my english is far from perfect. A mole is a "smal burrowing animal" (Websters Dictionary). So do you mean somebody (from IBD) who "watches" this board (which would be perfectly fine by me). If yes, then who is the "mole"? Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dave Cameron [SMTP:dfcameron@yahoo.com] > Gesendet am: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:00 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: [CANSLIM] The mole > > > FWIW, I thought the article on Tom was well done. I believe I > understand his philosophy pretty well, and the article was consistent > with it. > > I knew we had people from IBD on the list from time to time, never > tried to figure out who. > > BTW, thanks to Katherine and all for pointing it out. I tend not to > read page B15. I concentrate on section A, and then look up my > stocks - or stocks to buy - but usually don't get back that far. I > would have missed it. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:07:58 -0700 From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole The other meaning of a mole is a spy, from my dictionary - "a spy who establishes a cover long before beginning espionage." On 12 Jan 2002 at 17:35, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: > Sorry to ask you questions about wording, but my english is far from perfect. > A mole is a "smal burrowing animal" (Websters Dictionary). So do you mean somebody (from IBD) who "watches" this board (which would > be perfectly fine by me). > > If yes, then who is the "mole"? > > Andreas > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Dave Cameron [SMTP:dfcameron@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet am: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:00 PM > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: [CANSLIM] The mole > > > > > > FWIW, I thought the article on Tom was well done. I believe I > > understand his philosophy pretty well, and the article was consistent > > with it. > > > > I knew we had people from IBD on the list from time to time, never > > tried to figure out who. > > > > BTW, thanks to Katherine and all for pointing it out. I tend not to > > read page B15. I concentrate on section A, and then look up my > > stocks - or stocks to buy - but usually don't get back that far. I > > would have missed it. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:11:52 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The mole Good question, Andreas. Your understanding of the use of "mole" is completely correct, and your English is many times better than my German. Several of us are convinced that reporters / staffers of IBD are monitoring this group discussion site. That of itself is OK. But then we believe, based on a series of articles that have appeared in IBD in a remarkably short time frame after discussion in the group, that they are using our group collective wisdom and ideas and intellectual content to produce articles for publication in IBD. The problem is not so much that our ideas and talent are used for commercial purposes as it is that this is being taken from us without permission or credit. I have spoken to Jeff Salisbury, list owner, and am looking for channels and ideas (and any available proof) to try and stop this practice. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Himmelreich" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole > Sorry to ask you questions about wording, but my english is far from perfect. > A mole is a "smal burrowing animal" (Websters Dictionary). So do you mean somebody (from IBD) who "watches" this board (which would > be perfectly fine by me). > > If yes, then who is the "mole"? > > Andreas > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Dave Cameron [SMTP:dfcameron@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet am: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:00 PM > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: [CANSLIM] The mole > > > > > > FWIW, I thought the article on Tom was well done. I believe I > > understand his philosophy pretty well, and the article was consistent > > with it. > > > > I knew we had people from IBD on the list from time to time, never > > tried to figure out who. > > > > BTW, thanks to Katherine and all for pointing it out. I tend not to > > read page B15. I concentrate on section A, and then look up my > > stocks - or stocks to buy - but usually don't get back that far. I > > would have missed it. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:29:47 +0100 From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole Well, it would be certainly nice, if the mole would say: Hey, its me and I am going to bring this and that subject up to IBD. > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tom Worley [SMTP:stkguru@netside.net] > Gesendet am: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:12 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] The mole > > Good question, Andreas. Your understanding of the use of "mole" is > completely correct, and your English is many times better than my German. > Several of us are convinced that reporters / staffers of IBD are monitoring > this group discussion site. That of itself is OK. But then we believe, based > on a series of articles that have appeared in IBD in a remarkably short time > frame after discussion in the group, that they are using our group > collective wisdom and ideas and intellectual content to produce articles for > publication in IBD. The problem is not so much that our ideas and talent > are used for commercial purposes as it is that this is being taken from us > without permission or credit. > > I have spoken to Jeff Salisbury, list owner, and am looking for channels and > ideas (and any available proof) to try and stop this practice. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Himmelreich" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:35 AM > Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] The mole > > > > Sorry to ask you questions about wording, but my english is far from > perfect. > > A mole is a "smal burrowing animal" (Websters Dictionary). So do you mean > somebody (from IBD) who "watches" this board (which would > > be perfectly fine by me). > > > > If yes, then who is the "mole"? > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Dave Cameron [SMTP:dfcameron@yahoo.com] > > > Gesendet am: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:00 PM > > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Betreff: [CANSLIM] The mole > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I thought the article on Tom was well done. I believe I > > > understand his philosophy pretty well, and the article was consistent > > > with it. > > > > > > I knew we had people from IBD on the list from time to time, never > > > tried to figure out who. > > > > > > BTW, thanks to Katherine and all for pointing it out. I tend not to > > > read page B15. I concentrate on section A, and then look up my > > > stocks - or stocks to buy - but usually don't get back that far. I > > > would have missed it. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Dave Cameron > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:03:57 -0800 From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA? - --------------665810C7BA5DC5F0FA800BF2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathern ,thx to you and all the other folks that make this a GREAT stock site . K. ..your commentary is most helpfull and insitefull [sp.] Sure do like todays chart presention on Yahoo of ASIA.Neat lay out with notes etc.. Thx again to all. Katherine Malm wrote: > Patrick, That's just about the coolest thing I've seen on the net in > ages! (OK, so I'm not very adventurous.) Thanks and here's the new > link to the chart: http://makeashorterlink.com/?R22F6694 Katherine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Wahl > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA? > Wow, that's some link. Here is a suggestion on long links, > I've only used it once, > but it seemed to work. > > http://www.makeashorterlink.com/index.php > > Thanks for the chart. I'll stick with my interpretation, > but I'll add that the handle > seems a little loose, not ideal. I would say the breakout > fails around 19, a 7 to 8% > drop in price from the breakout. I think the pivot point > was close to 20.25 or so, I > tend to discount those intraday spikes, if they occur, and > use the close, so that > would not take the Dec. 4 (or whichever date it was) high > into account, just the > close. Not sure this is a legitimate approach, just a > personal quirk maybe. Anyway, > I think that anyone in this stock should stick with it a bit > longer. > > On 11 Jan 2002 at 15:14, Katherine Malm wrote: > > > Just an experiment, but here's a marked chart: > > > > > http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp?.dir=/CANSLIM&.dnm=ASIA+011102.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp%3f.dir=/CANSLIM%26.dnm=Up%2bDn%2bRatio%2bArticle%2b123101.jpg%26.src=ph > > > > > Katherine > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Patrick Wahl > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:52 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA? > > > > > > I think we went around about this subject a few months > ago, but I would put a > > different interpretation on the chart. I think the 12/4 > spike marked the end of the > > right side of the cup, and the choppy sideways movement > from that point constitutes > > a handle. So buying on 12/4 was not the proper buy > point. > > > > The more appropriate buy point would be the day in > January where price gapped up > > to close at about 20.90 or so. To me the formation of a > handle part way up a cup > > doesn't make sense. Handles form at logical sell > points, and the logical sell point is > > the resistance formed at the old high - the left side of > the cup around end of June, > > first of July. Without a sort of definite point like an > old high, any consolidation point > > along the way up the right side of the cup can be called > a handle. > > > > Just my interpretation, I think during the discussion of > this point a few months ago I > > was in a decided minority (one, maybe). > > > > On 10 Jan 2002 at 23:30, Dave wrote: > > > > > In hindsight if I had been watching ASIA on 12/4 I > probably would have > > > bought. If you consider 11/27 to be the start of a > short handle, the pivot > > > would be 17.33 and the stock could have been bought up > to 18.20. In this > > > case, you would still be in the stock. > > > > > > As for now, it's definitely a gamble. Personally I > like the month-long > > > consolidation and the near record volume over the past > few days, and think > > > that if the Nasdaq resumes its rally, there's a good > chance ASIA will go > > > along for the ride. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of esetser > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:51 PM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA? > > > > > > > > > > > > So you only consider cup with handles as true > breakouts? I buy > > > > cups, cup > > > > with handles, double bottoms, and flat bases, maybe > others. > > > > > > > > At 10:44 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >I'm biased, but I prefer to see it as a high handle > beginning > > > > on 12/6. The > > > > >volume that day was not so great, and there was no > true > > > > handle, so I don't > > > > >consider it a true breakout. > > > > > > > > > >The handle beginning after that failure is nice and > long and > > > > volume dried > > > > >up nicely towards the end. The volume on 1/6-1/7 > was very high. > > > > > > > > > >Only time will tell the true story... > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of esetser > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 PM > > > > >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I read this one differently. I see ASIA as a > stock with a > > > > breakout to a > > > > >> new on 12/6. (And as a matter of fact, I bot it > that day.) > > > > >> That breakout > > > > >> became suspect as the stock corrected and closed > near its > > > > low during the > > > > >> day, and went on to be a failed breakout for > anyone buying > > > > in during the > > > > >> day. The action since then is short of the 5 > weeks minimum to > > > > >> define a new > > > > >> base, and is confusing in light of the new high > it set.. I'm > > > > >> not sure where > > > > >> I would put a pivot on this one. The volume was > fabulous for 2 > > > > >> days, but > > > > >> has remained almost as high for the last 2 day > pullback, so I > > > > >> would be very > > > > >> cautious. > > > > >> > > > > >> At 04:58 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >> >Hi, > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Just curious on comment about ASIA. Last few > days it looked > > > > >> to be breaking > > > > >> >out of a nice chart formation. Alas, it seems > to be > > > > breaking down or > > > > >> >allowing for another re-entry point. Any > thoughts? > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Is this stock considered Canslim "worthy" even > though it has > > > > >> seen higher > > > > >> >days (ie. not breaking to new highs)? > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Thanks, > > > > >> >Erik > > > > >> >PS. Forgive me if this has been the topic of > recent > > > > >> discussion. I just moved > > > > >> >and missed the last week of my Canslim Group > emails. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >From: "Mike Hofmann" > > > > >> >To: > > > > >> >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:08 PM > > > > >> >Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> ... and still more than you really wanted to > know about "kudos": > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >From a really cool site called "Take Our Word > For It" > > > > >> >> (http://www.takeourword.com/): > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> "Kudos is simply Greek for "praise". It is > thought to > > > > have entered > > > > >> >English > > > > >> >> as university slang. By 1799 we have a > back-formed verb > > > > kudize "to > > > > >> >praise", > > > > >> >> so kudos itself was probably in use prior to > that, though > > > > >> the first known > > > > >> >> recorded use of kudos comes from 1831. > Thereafter we find > > > > >> it used by the > > > > >> >> likes of Disraeli and Darwin. Darwin wrote, > in one of his > > > > >> letters: "Lyell > > > > >> >> has read about half of the volume in clean > sheets, and gives > > > > >> me very great > > > > >> >> kudos." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Pronunciation in Britain is "cue-doss" while > in America it > > > > >> is "koo-doze". > > > > >> >> As with many Greek words, -os indicates a > singular noun. > > > > Many people > > > > >> >assume > > > > >> >> kudos is the plural form, with the singular > being a > > > > kudo. They are > > > > >> >wrong. > > > > >> >> Just wrong. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> There was once a computer operating system > called QDOS. Was > > > > >> it named by a > > > > >> >> Brit, so that it sounded like kudos, or is > that simply a > > > > >> coincidence?" > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> ... and there you have it. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >> From: "Warren Keuffel" > > > > > >> >> To: > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:23 PM > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Jumping in here for Mike -- "Kudos" > basically means > > > > >> "Congratulations". > > > > >> >> > However I was curious about the > etymology of the word so > > > > >> >> > consulted my American Heritage dictionary > which defines it > > > > >> as "Acclaim > > > > >> >> > or prestige as a result of achievement or > position." But > > > > >> no guidance on > > > > >> >> > etymology, darn it. More than you wanted to > know, right? > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Warren > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Andreas Himmelreich wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >Sorry to ask Mike, what means Kudos? > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > >>-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > > > >> >> > >>Von: Mike Gibbons > [SMTP:webmaster@cwhcharts.com] > > > > >> >> > >>Gesendet am: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 > 7:08 PM > > > > >> >> > >>An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >> >> > >>Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>Kudos to you, you should be feeling > pleased this morning > > > > >> and justly > > > > >> >so. > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>Aloha, > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>Mike Gibbons > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > >> >> > >>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >> >> > > >>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave > > > > > >> >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:29 AM > > > > >> >> > >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >> >> > >>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>True, the handle was a bit sloppy but for > the most part > > > > >> volume in the > > > > >> >> > >>handle was below normal. It also made a > pretty nice ascending > > > > >> >triangle. > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>As for the action at the end of the day, I > think you're > > > > >> reading too > > > > >> >much > > > > >> >> > >>into it. The stock made a tremendous surge > on volume in > > > > >> the last half > > > > >> >> hour > > > > >> >> > >>of trading. It then pulled back on lower > volume but > > > > >> didn't undercut > > > > >> >that > > > > >> >> > >>"intraday breakout point". It then found > some new buyers > > > > >> at the very > > > > >> >end > > > > >> >> > >>of the session. > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>You can find flaws in any chart formation. > I've > > > > missed many huge > > > > >> >winners > > > > >> >> > >>by refusing to buy what I perceived as a > flawed handle, > > > > >> or by putting > > > > >> >> too > > > > >> >> > >>much weight on intraday analysis. Even IBD > will go on to > > > > >> call "perfect > > > > >> >> > >>cup-handle breakouts" on stocks that have > somewhat > > > > questionable > > > > >> >> > >>formations. I won't be surprised to see > DFXI mentioned > > > > >> tomorrow as a > > > > >> >> good > > > > >> >> > >>example. > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>Of course hindsight is 20/20. Nevertheless > I'm glad I > > > > >> bought yesterday > > > > >> >> :) > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>>>Yes it did but fell back below it's high > of the day. Also, > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > >> >> > >>>action in the > > > > >> >> > >>> > > > > >> >> > >>>>handle has been sloppy - one normally > hopes to see price > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > >> >> > >>>pullback on falling > > > > >> >> > >>> > > > > >> >> > >>>>volume but in fact it's made a couple of > attempts to BO on > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > >> >> > >>>above average > > > > >> >> > >>> > > > > >> >> > >>>>volume since forming the pivot on 12/10. > I wouldn't > > > > >> rush in with an > > > > >> >> > >>>>overnight order! > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > >> >> > >>>>Mike Gibbons > > > > >> >> > >>>> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >>- > > > > >> >> > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >> >> > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > > > > >> >> > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Sure do like todays chart presention on Yahoo of ASIA.Neat lay out with notes etc..  Thx again to all.
Katherine Malm wrote:
Patrick, That's just about the coolest thing I've seen on the net in ages! (OK, so I'm not very adventurous.) Thanks and here's the new link to the chart: http://makeashorterlink.com/?R22F6694 Katherine
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
 Wow, that's some link.  Here is a suggestion on long links, I've only used it once,
but it seemed to work.

http://www.makeashorterlink.com/index.php

Thanks for the chart.  I'll stick with my interpretation, but I'll add that the handle
seems a little loose, not ideal.  I would say the breakout fails around 19, a 7 to 8%
drop in price from the breakout.  I think the pivot point was close to 20.25 or so, I
tend to discount those intraday spikes, if they occur, and use the close, so that
would not take the Dec. 4 (or whichever date it was) high into account, just the
close.  Not sure this is a legitimate approach, just a personal quirk maybe.  Anyway,
I think that anyone in this stock should stick with it a bit longer.

On 11 Jan 2002 at 15:14, Katherine Malm wrote:

> Just an experiment, but here's a marked chart:
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp?.dir=/CANSLIM&.dnm=ASIA+011102.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/katherinemalm/vwp%3f.dir=/CANSLIM%26.dnm=Up%2bDn%2bRatio%2bArticle%2b123101.jpg%26.src=ph
>
> Katherine
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Patrick Wahl
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:52 PM
>   Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
>
>
>   I think we went around about this subject a few months ago, but I would put a
>   different interpretation on the chart.  I think the 12/4 spike marked the end of the
>   right side of the cup, and the choppy sideways movement from that point constitutes
>   a handle.  So buying on 12/4 was not the proper buy point.
>
>   The more appropriate buy point would be the day in January where price gapped up
>   to close at about 20.90 or so.  To me the formation of a handle part way up a cup
>   doesn't make sense.  Handles form at logical sell points, and the logical sell point is
>   the resistance formed at the old high - the left side of the cup around end of June,
>   first of July.  Without a sort of definite point like an old high, any consolidation point
>   along the way up the right side of the cup can be called a handle.
>
>   Just my interpretation, I think during the discussion of this point a few months ago I
>   was in a decided minority (one, maybe).
>
>   On 10 Jan 2002 at 23:30, Dave wrote:
>
>   > In hindsight if I had been watching ASIA on 12/4 I probably would have
>   > bought. If you consider 11/27 to be the start of a short handle, the pivot
>   > would be 17.33 and the stock could have been bought up to 18.20. In this
>   > case, you would still be in the stock.
>   >
>   > As for now, it's definitely a gamble. Personally I like the month-long
>   > consolidation and the near record volume over the past few days, and think
>   > that if the Nasdaq resumes its rally, there's a good chance ASIA will go
>   > along for the ride.
>   >
>   >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser
>   > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:51 PM
>   > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > So you only consider cup with handles as true breakouts?  I buy
>   > > cups, cup
>   > > with handles, double bottoms, and flat bases, maybe others.
>   > >
>   > > At 10:44 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote:
>   > > >I'm biased, but I prefer to see it as a high handle beginning
>   > > on 12/6. The
>   > > >volume that day was not so great, and there was no true
>   > > handle, so I don't
>   > > >consider it a true breakout.
>   > > >
>   > > >The handle beginning after that failure is nice and long and
>   > > volume dried
>   > > >up nicely towards the end. The volume on 1/6-1/7 was very high.
>   > > >
>   > > >Only time will tell the true story...
>   > > >
>   > > >> -----Original Message-----
>   > > >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser
>   > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 PM
>   > > >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ASIA?
>   > > >>
>   > > >>
>   > > >> I read this one differently.  I see ASIA as a stock with a
>   > > breakout to a
>   > > >> new on 12/6.  (And as a matter of fact, I bot it that day.)
>   > > >> That breakout
>   > > >> became suspect as the stock corrected and closed near its
>   > > low during the
>   > > >> day, and went on to be a failed breakout for anyone buying
>   > > in during the
>   > > >> day.  The action since then is short of the 5 weeks minimum to
>   > > >> define a new
>   > > >> base, and is confusing in light of the new high it set.. I'm
>   > > >> not sure where
>   > > >> I would put a pivot on this one.  The volume was fabulous for 2
>   > > >> days, but
>   > > >> has remained almost as high for the last 2 day pullback, so I
>   > > >> would be very
>   > > >> cautious.
>   > > >>
>   > > >> At 04:58 PM 1/10/02 -0500, you wrote:
>   > > >> >Hi,
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Just curious on comment about ASIA.  Last few days it looked
>   > > >> to be breaking
>   > > >> >out of a nice chart formation.  Alas, it seems to be
>   > > breaking down or
>   > > >> >allowing for another re-entry point.  Any thoughts?
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Is this stock considered Canslim "worthy" even though it has
>   > > >> seen higher
>   > > >> >days (ie. not breaking to new highs)?
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >Thanks,
>   > > >> >Erik
>   > > >> >PS. Forgive me if this has been the topic of recent
>   > > >> discussion. I just moved
>   > > >> >and missed the last week of my Canslim Group emails.
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >----- Original Message -----
>   > > >> >From: "Mike Hofmann" <sfmcanslim@hotmail.com>
>   > > >> >To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>   > > >> >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:08 PM
>   > > >> >Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >
>   > > >> >> ... and still more than you really wanted to know about "kudos":
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> >From a really cool site called "Take Our Word For It"
>   > > >> >> (http://www.takeourword.com/):
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> "Kudos is simply Greek for "praise".  It is thought to
>   > > have entered
>   > > >> >English
>   > > >> >> as university slang.  By 1799 we have a back-formed verb
>   > > kudize "to
>   > > >> >praise",
>   > > >> >> so kudos itself was probably in use prior to that, though
>   > > >> the first known
>   > > >> >> recorded use of kudos comes from 1831.  Thereafter we find
>   > > >> it used by the
>   > > >> >> likes of Disraeli and Darwin.  Darwin wrote, in one of his
>   > > >> letters: "Lyell
>   > > >> >> has read about half of the volume in clean sheets, and gives
>   > > >> me very great
>   > > >> >> kudos."
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> Pronunciation in Britain is "cue-doss" while in America it
>   > > >> is "koo-doze".
>   > > >> >> As with many Greek words, -os indicates a singular noun.
>   > > Many people
>   > > >> >assume
>   > > >> >> kudos is the  plural form, with the singular being a
>   > > kudo.  They are
>   > > >> >wrong.
>   > > >> >> Just wrong.
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> There was once a computer operating system called QDOS.  Was
>   > > >> it named by a
>   > > >> >> Brit, so that it sounded like kudos, or is that simply a
>   > > >> coincidence?"
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> ... and there you have it.
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >> >> From: "Warren Keuffel" <wkeuffel@xmission.com>
>   > > >> >> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>   > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:23 PM
>   > > >> >> Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >>
>   > > >> >> > Jumping in here for Mike -- "Kudos" basically means
>   > > >> "Congratulations".
>   > > >> >> >  However <ahem> I was curious about the etymology of the word so
>   > > >> >> > consulted my American Heritage dictionary which defines it
>   > > >> as  "Acclaim
>   > > >> >> > or prestige as a result of achievement or position." But
>   > > >> no guidance on
>   > > >> >> > etymology, darn it.  More than you wanted to know, right? <g>
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > Warren
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > Andreas Himmelreich wrote:
>   > > >> >> >
>   > > >> >> > >Sorry to ask Mike, what means Kudos?
>   > > >> >> > >
>   > > >> >> > >
>   > > >> >> > >>-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>   > > >> >> > >>Von: Mike Gibbons [SMTP:webmaster@cwhcharts.com]
>   > > >> >> > >>Gesendet am: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:08 PM
>   > > >> >> > >>An: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Kudos to you, you should be feeling pleased this morning
>   > > >> and justly
>   > > >> >so.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Aloha,
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Mike Gibbons
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>-----Original Message-----
>   > > >> >> > >>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave
>   > > >> >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:29 AM
>   > > >> >> > >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   > > >> >> > >>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DFXI
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>True, the handle was a bit sloppy but for the most part
>   > > >> volume in the
>   > > >> >> > >>handle was below normal. It also made a pretty nice ascending
>   > > >> >triangle.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>As for the action at the end of the day, I think you're
>   > > >> reading too
>   > > >> >much
>   > > >> >> > >>into it. The stock made a tremendous surge on volume in
>   > > >> the last half
>   > > >> >> hour
>   > > >> >> > >>of trading. It then pulled back on lower volume but
>   > > >> didn't undercut
>   > > >> >that
>   > > >> >> > >>"intraday breakout point". It then found some new buyers
>   > > >> at the very
>   > > >> >end
>   > > >> >> > >>of the session.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>You can find flaws in any chart formation. I've
>   > > missed many huge
>   > > >> >winners
>   > > >> >> > >>by refusing to buy what I perceived as a flawed handle,
>   > > >> or by putting
>   > > >> >> too
>   > > >> >> > >>much weight on intraday analysis. Even IBD will go on to
>   > > >> call "perfect
>   > > >> >> > >>cup-handle breakouts" on stocks that have somewhat
>   > > questionable
>   > > >> >> > >>formations. I won't be surprised to see DFXI mentioned
>   > > >> tomorrow as a
>   > > >> >> good
>   > > >> >> > >>example.
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>Of course hindsight is 20/20. Nevertheless I'm glad I
>   > > >> bought yesterday
>   > > >> >> :)
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>Yes it did but fell back below it's high of the day. Also,
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>action in the
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>handle has been sloppy - one normally hopes to see price
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>pullback on falling
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>volume but in fact it's made a couple of attempts to BO on
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>above average
>   > > >> >> > >>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>volume since forming the pivot on 12/10. I wouldn't
>   > > >> rush in with an
>   > > >> >> > >>>>overnight order!
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>>>Mike Gibbons
>   > > >> >> > >>>>
>   > > >> >> > >>
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