From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #234 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Monday, May 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 234 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] One final addition Re: [CANSLIM] Media Airhead Commentators - ditto [CANSLIM] LBOR to split Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester RE: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester Re: [CANSLIM] Media Airhead Commentators [CANSLIM] Marketplayer scanning [CANSLIM] Market RE: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester RE: [CANSLIM] LBOR to split [CANSLIM] Intro Re: [CANSLIM] Debt:Equity Ratios (was One final addition) Re: [CANSLIM] Market Re: [CANSLIM] What's left on my "watch" list Re: [CANSLIM] What's left on my "watch" list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:51:26 -0400 From: Larry Horn Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] One final addition - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7CBA.02D64500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Here's some data on the cos you posted earlier. I got shares, float, ROE, and Debt:Equity from Yahoo!, %Instit from Rapid Research, and % Mgmt, PE, GrpStr, A/D, EPS, RS and Fund from IBD tables. Co PE GStr A/D EPS RS Fnd SHR FLT ROE Dt:Eq %Inst %Mgm MTIC 30 B A 75 96 27.6 9.6 68.48 0 15.6 13 GPTX 34 C B 88 92 A 5.51 3.7 24.01 0 1.6 49 EPIQ ? ? ? ? ? 3.48 1.6 14.7 0.16 7 ? SORC ? ? ? ? ? 8.01 4.4 24.36 0.35 12.1 ? ORCI 21 A B 75 95 4.19 1 8.97 0.26 29.9 35 TTILF 35 A B 88 95 A+ ? ? ? ? ? 66 MTON 66 A A 75 93 11 8.9 7.79 0.06 11.7 15 FTIC 22 A B 97 95 4.73 2.7 17.17 0.04 34.4 32 DKWD 22 B A 75 98 3.6 2.3 26.11 4.56 17.3 31 PVCC ? ? ? ? ? 7 2 15.82 0.96 1 ? SPEC 18 C A 78 87 10.9 9.8 15.17 0.11 31.5 13 VARL 28 A 91 91 C 5.25 3.3 10.08 0.23 21 27 MDII 27 A A 93 86 C 6.15 2.5 1.46 0 33.9 39 CAER 27 B A 89 93 A+ 13 10.3 12.32 0 32.3 .. RENG 47 A A 81 97 5.7 2.6 4.09 0.25 0.6 54 SNHY 21 E A 90 83 6.33 2.8 14.31 0.22 18.9 30 SHOO 32 C B 93 94 B 8.57 6.6 13.98 0.01 18.5 .. TXCC 99 D A 75 93 13.3 5.2 1.79 0 43.2 31 BOCB 21 B A 83 91 45.4 30.9 12.54 0.17 67.5 13 INSUA 26 B A 75 91 27 11.6 8.97 0.85 44.3 23 MECN 67 A A 75 97 6.14 3.1 5.93 0 18.6 41 RELL 19 E C 96 87 A+ 10.8 7.9 14.02 1.65 62.3 58 FDPC 25 B A 96 89 A- 5.86 2 12.34 0 18.7 58 Thanks for sharing your list with us. It helps me to see the kind of cos you are interested in, especially since only 2 of them were on my list of 75. What do you think about Debt:Equity? I have been trying to keep this under 1, but Tim F. said 1 or 2 was okay with him and 5 would be bothersome. Just learning Larry - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [SMTP:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 1998 7:29 AM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] One final addition Also added FDPC to my watch list before I say goodbye to DailyGraphs Online. Gonna miss ya, DGO! 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- - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:37:54 -0400 From: Tony Austin Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Media Airhead Commentators - ditto Tom > Can we all say > together, "tainted, biased, unsubstantiated, opinionated, mindless, > meaningless, uninformed, whipsawed, not got a clue, moronic, etc". Don't be so general and ambiguous... > > Maybe, now that I am no longer regulated, it's time for me to develop > a system of measuring media commentators and analysts against some > kind of standard, and posting the results. > Great idea, but selfishly, I'd rather you spend your time looking for the next great performer, not looking at the poor performing. Big ditto's, but I'm just a guilty. This market keeps pulling my "comfort level" back and forth. See good signs, then bad, looking upward then downward. That's why it is best for the under informed, like myself, to listen to those who know better... Wishing all a great weekend. Tony - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] LBOR to split LBOR is up 4% this morning on light volume - announced a 3:2 split today. Anyone up for betting on the come? Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site PFB Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:17:22 -0400 From: Peter Newell Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester How can you become a beta tester? Thanks, Peter Newell - ---------- =46rom: Peter Christiansen To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:41 AM I am a beta tester of Quotes Plus 2.0. Below is a repost of a messag= e I sent some time ago. I would like to suggest users of Daily Graphs Online that are put off= by the pricing, think about trying out Quotes Plus. I am a beta tester of ve= rsion 2, which should be out shortly. This new version gives you five years pr= ice and volume data on all stocks, mutual funds, and commodities. You can cal= culate their version of relative strength, which is close enough to Daily Gr= aphs for my purposes. You can create reports showing the relative performance = of all of the S&P industry groups for various time periods. They also now inclu= de extensive fundamental data, updated weekly, on all stocks. This data includes the following items: Company Description=20 Price to Sales Ratio=20 Industry Group=20 Industry Sector=20 Issue Type=20 S&P Ranking=20 Market Capitalization=20 Annual Dividend=20 Yield=20 Options=20 Book Value=20 Beta=20 Trailing 12 mo. Revenue per Share=20 1, 3, & 5 Year Revenue Growth Rate=20 1, 3, & 5 Year Earnings Growth Rate=20 Earnings & Revenues per Share for Past 12 Quarters=20 Dividends Paid=20 P/E=20 Float=20 Shares Outstanding=20 Float as % of Shares Outstanding=20 Short Interest=20 Short Interest as % of Float=20 Institutional % Held This is about all I need for my decision making. If I need additional information, I can usually find it fairly quickly on the Internet. Be= st of all you can create sophisticated scans on all of this data. I don't know = what the pricing will be for version 2, but the current version is is just 12.= 95 a month. I think it is a fantastic service, and recommend it without reservation. No.. I'm not affiliated with Quotes Plus; just a happy customer. At 10:56 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:=20 > > For those of you that use DGO, > =A0 > I found out tonight on Quotes Plus site,=20 > http://www.quotes-plus.com/rel2= 0.htm > that they are going to update to version 2.0 soon, I sent an e-mail asking > how soon, will let anyone know who might be interested. > Here are some new features which will really help. > It might not hurt so bad to do without DGO, and it looks like this = is the > last weekend of freebies. > =A0 > > New features include:=20 > * Mutual fund prices from 1/1/1990 are now available.=20 > * Equity prices from 1/1/1992, some from 1/1/1990 are available.= =20 > * Includes 40 fundamental data items from Market Guide Inc. Thes= e include:=20 > * 12 quarters earnings=20 > * 12 quarters sales=20 > * A short description of the companies=20 > * Analyst footnotes=20 > * Float=20 > * EPS less extraordinary items=20 > * Book value, latest quarter=20 > * Revenue per share TTM=20 > * Institutional percentage held=20 > * Beta=20 > * 1, 3 and 5 year EPS growth rate=20 > * 1, 3 and 5 year revenue growth rate=20 > * Short interest current month=20 > * Shares outstanding=20 > * Price to sales ratio=20 > This service is updated every evening around 7:30, you can use an a= uto update > (easy) 15.95 per month, or over the web (little more difficult) abo= ut 13.00 > per month.=A0=20 > Not trying to be a salesman for Quotes Plus here, just thought migh= t help. > =A0 > don't know a thing > joe > =A0 > joe@2fords.net > http://www.2fords.net/joe/=A0= =A0 total facelift, still not finished tho.. Peter Christiansen=20 Chiang Mai - Thailand=20 - - - ---------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:28:14 -0400 From: Paul Gilberti Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester I tried. They are not accepting any more testers. ---------- From: Peter Newell[SMTP:pnewell@mci2000.com] Reply To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:17 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester How can you become a beta tester? Thanks, Peter Newell ---------- From: Peter Christiansen To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:41 AM I am a beta tester of Quotes Plus 2.0. Below is a repost of a message I sent some time ago. I would like to suggest users of Daily Graphs Online that are put off by the pricing, think about trying out Quotes Plus. I am a beta tester of version 2, which should be out shortly. This new version gives you five years price and volume data on all stocks, mutual funds, and commodities. You can calculate their version of relative strength, which is close enough to Daily Graphs for my purposes. You can create reports showing the relative performance of all of the S&P industry groups for various time periods. They also now include extensive fundamental data, updated weekly, on all stocks. This data includes the following items: Company Description=20 Price to Sales Ratio=20 Industry Group=20 Industry Sector=20 Issue Type=20 S&P Ranking=20 Market Capitalization=20 Annual Dividend=20 Yield=20 Options=20 Book Value=20 Beta=20 Trailing 12 mo. Revenue per Share=20 1, 3, & 5 Year Revenue Growth Rate=20 1, 3, & 5 Year Earnings Growth Rate=20 Earnings & Revenues per Share for Past 12 Quarters=20 Dividends Paid=20 P/E=20 Float=20 Shares Outstanding=20 Float as % of Shares Outstanding=20 Short Interest=20 Short Interest as % of Float=20 Institutional % Held This is about all I need for my decision making. If I need additional information, I can usually find it fairly quickly on the Internet. Best of all you can create sophisticated scans on all of this data. I don't know what the pricing will be for version 2, but the current version is is just 12.95 a month. I think it is a fantastic service, and recommend it without reservation. No.. I'm not affiliated with Quotes Plus; just a happy customer. At 10:56 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:=20 > > For those of you that use DGO, > =A0 > I found out tonight on Quotes Plus site,=20 > =09 http://www.quotes-plus.com/rel20.h= tm > that they are going to update to version 2.0 soon, I sent an e-mail asking > how soon, will let anyone know who might be interested. > Here are some new features which will really help. > It might not hurt so bad to do without DGO, and it looks like this is the > last weekend of freebies. > =A0 > > New features include:=20 > * Mutual fund prices from 1/1/1990 are now available.=20 > * Equity prices from 1/1/1992, some from 1/1/1990 are available.=20 > * Includes 40 fundamental data items from Market Guide Inc. These include:=20 > * 12 quarters earnings=20 > * 12 quarters sales=20 > * A short description of the companies=20 > * Analyst footnotes=20 > * Float=20 > * EPS less extraordinary items=20 > * Book value, latest quarter=20 > * Revenue per share TTM=20 > * Institutional percentage held=20 > * Beta=20 > * 1, 3 and 5 year EPS growth rate=20 > * 1, 3 and 5 year revenue growth rate=20 > * Short interest current month=20 > * Shares outstanding=20 > * Price to sales ratio=20 > This service is updated every evening around 7:30, you can use an auto update > (easy) 15.95 per month, or over the web (little more difficult) about 13.00 > per month.=A0=20 > Not trying to be a salesman for Quotes Plus here, just thought might help. > =A0 > don't know a thing > joe > =A0 > joe@2fords.net > http://www.2fords.net/joe/=A0=A0 total facelift, still not finished tho.. Peter Christiansen=20 Chiang Mai - Thailand=20 - ---------- - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:53:07 -0700 From: "Ken Davidson" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Media Airhead Commentators I hate to say it but I have to stick up for some of the media. I'm sure there are some airheads out there in different areas but it must depend on what area your from. As I work I always have CNBC on to provide me with newsflashes etc. Although they're always talking about the big swings in the market rallying and crashing and specials on Dow 9000 etc, all kinds of stupid things..... They do provide information of which we all need to take and decide what is good and what is bad. When I look back at the 1987 crash, which was a time of little media informaton I wonder if the public would have been so affected if they at least would have known what was going on. Ken The information contained in this commentary is based upon data that is believed to be accurate, but is not guaranteed, and subject to change without notice. Persons reading this are responsible for their actions. >Tom > >> Can we all say >> together, "tainted, biased, unsubstantiated, opinionated, mindless, >> meaningless, uninformed, whipsawed, not got a clue, moronic, etc". > >Don't be so general and ambiguous... > >> >> Maybe, now that I am no longer regulated, it's time for me to develop >> a system of measuring media commentators and analysts against some >> kind of standard, and posting the results. >> > >Great idea, but selfishly, I'd rather you spend your time looking for the >next great performer, not looking at the poor performing. > >Big ditto's, but I'm just a guilty. This market keeps pulling my "comfort >level" back and forth. See good signs, then bad, looking upward then >downward. That's why it is best for the under informed, like myself, to >listen to those who know better... > >Wishing all a great weekend. > >Tony > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:13:04 -0500 From: "Eric Boller" Subject: [CANSLIM] Marketplayer scanning > I took a look, it looks good, and I like the way you can run scans > across many stocks. However, the scans are too elementary to get to > CANSLIM, there are only a couple of technical indicators, and using > internet to switch between charts is way too slow for my taste. I > believe bigcharts.com (the interactive charts) is better for technical > analysis but it can't do the scans. What I'd do, if I wanted to avoid > paying for one of the data services, would be to use marketplayer to > generate a list to take to bigcharts for technical analysis. The scans are hardly elementary. If you are doing the canned scans that they have already prepared then that is true. Did you know you can create your own scans? Marketplayer can do: C--current earnings A-- annual earnings N-- New high--high volume ( no scan that i know of looks for new products) S--Shares outstanding L--Relative Strength (Performance in Marketplayer) I-- OK, it doesn't have this. M--Just look at the Dow, Nas, etc. There are a lot of other things you can check on. I'll agree with you that the charting is slow. I do look at bigcharts when I look at the stocks produced from a scan. About my only problem with marketplayer is that the prices don't get updated until very, very late (as far as I know i've only seen it updated in the morning). As long as you are not scanning for stochastics, money flow, or other "sophisticated" technical indicators then marketplayer is as good as any--and it is free! Eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:25:25 PDT From: "Charles Morgan" Subject: [CANSLIM] Market The DOW is up pretty good, but it appears that the mergers announced earlier is the reason. The S&P and NASDAQ seem to be slowly declining as the day progresses. This disturbs me somewhat that the market may see only mergers as a way to get growth. Does anyone have an opinion on the latest unemployment numbers and how it compares with the productivity of 0.2%? The reason I am asking is that someone on CNBC said that the government will have to revise the productivity number to about 2.5% to show no inflationary pressures. I know the govt. always revises nos., but is this giving people what they want to see and not what is actual? Will Greenspan look at it differently? Just food for thought with May 19th around the corner! Chuck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:14:45 -0700 (MST) From: John McDonald Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester At 10:28 05/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >I tried. They are not accepting any more testers. > > ---------- > From: Peter Newell[SMTP:pnewell@mci2000.com] > Reply To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:17 AM >> Quotes-plus version 2.0 is due out any time (meaning within the next few weeks). Price is rumored to be $99 for the software, and $18.95 a month for the data. Compare these prices to others. To me there is no contest. Check the Silicon Investor bulletin board http://www3.techstocks.com/~wsapi/investor/Subject-9637 for more discussion about QP. I have version 1.1. Good luck. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:17:10 +0000 From: "Mike Asher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quotes Plus - Becoming beta tester Peter, Beta testing is over for the most part. The final release is in production. Due out soon. mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:27:50 -0700 From: Mike Lucero Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] LBOR to split I would buy LBOR back if the market were acting better. Mike On Monday, May 11, 1998 7:20 AM, Tim Fisher [SMTP:tim@OreRockOn.com] wrote: > LBOR is up 4% this morning on light volume - announced a 3:2 split today. > Anyone up for betting on the come? > > Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > PFB Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:04:32 -0400 From: Jerry Hickman Subject: [CANSLIM] Intro Well, yet another lurker heard from. I have been lurking for longer than I care to admit to. There is so much info here to absorb and so little time. I am a retiree, 68 years young and interested in investing--long term! My background is Electrical. I started out as an electrician and then moved into a supervisory job, got canned (Hi Tom) then the company moved me into a created job in preventive maintenance to make use of my hands-on experience. This led to a job in Plant Engineering where I loved the work, my boss loved me, and I stayed until retirement. Being somewhat technically minded, I took to computers in the mid 80's (strange behavior for an old buck, eh) and altho I don't claim to be a hacker, I get the job done. This was a natural fit for investing. I have a 401k from work that one day soon I will have to bite the bullet and take distributions. In addition, I have accounts at DLJDirect and E*Trade, and an older account with Merrill Lynch and an older IRA at ML. My investment style and other inclinations seem similar to Tom W. I feel I am an investor who occasionally gets bitten by the trader bug. Canslim seems the way to go to me. I have tried many approaches in the 8 years or so that I have been actively investing. I am a member of NAIC--an individual memeber, belong to no club, subscribe to Telescan and IBD, daily download 550 quotes to keep up my database of stocks I like to follow. Some day soon, I will post some of my holdings to add to what Robert V has been asking--How long do you hold your CS stocks. Enough for now. More later. Jerry - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:57:52 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Debt:Equity Ratios (was One final addition) Larry, I have found debt to equity to be much of an "industry related" item. Some industries, home builders for example, are very capital intensive, and rely on debt to cover their costs for land and materials until they sell their product (homes). Other industries, software for example, often need little debt to finance their operations. While I do look at the debt figures, I can't recall it ever affecting a buy or sell decision. If they can service the debt and still deliver impressive earnings growth, I'm not going to question it. Occasionally I will focus on it a little closer when the co does a refinancing in order to pay off old, higher interest debt. Usually this "old debt" is bot back at a premium, frequently resulting in a non-recurring charge of the premium. I try to look at what it cost the company to pay off that old debt (the premium) vs what they will save annually with the lower interest. If the payback is 18 months or less, I figure it's a good deal. Because I do my "scanning" by hand, I am probably a lot more flexible than members using computers and software to do their initial screen. My basic "screen" is: recent high, RS over 90, EPS over 75. However, one or two currently on my list have an RS in the 80s. I saw something I liked that offset this "exception. But debt:equity ratios are not even on my list, other than as an informational item. Tom W - -----Original Message----- From: Larry Horn To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] One final addition >Thanks for sharing your list with us. It helps me to see the kind of cos you are >interested in, especially since only 2 of them were on my list of 75. > >What do you think about Debt:Equity? I have been trying to keep this under 1, >but Tim F. said 1 or 2 was okay with him and 5 would be bothersome. > >Just learning >Larry > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Worley [SMTP:stkguru@netside.net] >Sent: Sunday, May 10, 1998 7:29 AM >To: CANSLIM >Subject: [CANSLIM] One final addition > >Also added FDPC to my watch list before I say goodbye to DailyGraphs >Online. Gonna miss ya, DGO! > >Tom W > > > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:16:44 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Charles, The main concern with the latest employment report is that productivity gains tend to decrease towards the end of an economic cycle. This was the most significant "example" of this in several years, and gave those analysts and commentators looking for some hard evidence of a slowdown the hope they, finally, may be right. However, as I read the report, it was a mixed bag of both bearish and bullish data, even without considering the probable effects of El Nino during the first qtr, which tended to increase some of the positives early on, and cause less positive sequential comparisons for the latest month. While labor costs increased more than we have been seeing, and over the apparent Fed model, there were some notable declines in overtime and avg workweek. It takes more than one report to set a trend, and I do not expect this report to change the outcome at the FOMC's meeting later this month. I still expect no change in the Fed rate for May, altho July still remains an open issue. No question, the bias is towards a hike, the question is when. And for those that had been, or are still expecting, a rate cut, I've said all along I felt this was not going to happen. I think there's better than a 50:50 chance of a rate hike this year, but no sooner than July, and only then if either Asia starts booming (hardly likely) or there is definitive proof of inflation heating up (possible, but I don't see it as likely at this time). Tom W - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Morgan To: canslim@xmission.com Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 12:25 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market >The DOW is up pretty good, but it appears that the mergers announced >earlier is the reason. The S&P and NASDAQ seem to be slowly declining as >the day progresses. This disturbs me somewhat that the market may see >only mergers as a way to get growth. > >Does anyone have an opinion on the latest unemployment numbers and how >it compares with the productivity of 0.2%? The reason I am asking is >that someone on CNBC said that the government will have to revise the >productivity number to about 2.5% to show no inflationary pressures. I >know the govt. always revises nos., but is this giving people what they >want to see and not what is actual? Will Greenspan look at it >differently? > >Just food for thought with May 19th around the corner! > >Chuck > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:49:52 -0500 From: "Joe Scott" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's left on my "watch" list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BD7D15.F6BE6520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, I had a few questions, hoping you can help me. I was reviewing your = watch list and for my immediate proposes I didn't go any farther than = look at the charts, but for the types of bases that I look for several = look great. My problem in buying stocks under say 15.00 and particularly under 10.00 = is that it seems that by the time I realize its breaking out and decide = to buy, that combined with the spread which seems always to be large = (proportionally) in these low priced stocks, that I end up paying more = or close to 7% above base. That forces me to be buying extended and the stock can't return to base = without stopping me out. Then if I decide to sell for a 7 or 8% loss, I = have the spread to contend with again. =20 Just an 1/8 on the ask or bid is 1.3% on a 10 dollar stock, and lets not forget 7% on a 10 dollar stock is 70 cents.=20 Then commissions. It also seems at times these small stocks move 50 cents as easily as 50 = dollar stock does. I find more of these low priced stocks on my lists as = well, and it seems that they certainly tighten everything up for me. Tell me Tom, give me some of your secrets to handling these little guys. I need the scoop to success, oh and I did get rid of that shock collar = (didn't work). I found a keyboard guard to cover and lock my keyboard, = then I hide the key. I locked it today after buying RESC, looked to be a = legitimate breakout, maybe not as much volume as I'd like but you can't = have everything. don't know a thing joe joe@2fords.net http://www.2fords.net/joe/ - ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BD7D15.F6BE6520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,
I had a few questions, hoping you can help = me. I was=20 reviewing your watch list and for my immediate proposes I didn't go any = farther=20 than look at the charts, but for the types of  bases that I look = for=20 several look great.
My problem in buying stocks under say 15.00 = and=20 particularly under 10.00 is that it seems that by the time I realize its = breaking out and decide to buy, that combined with the spread which = seems always=20 to be large (proportionally) in these low priced stocks, that I end up = paying=20 more or close to 7% above base.
That forces me to be buying extended and the = stock=20 can't return to base without stopping me out. Then if I decide to sell = for a 7=20 or 8% loss,  I have the spread to contend with again.  =
Just an 1/8 on the ask or bid is 1.3% on a 10 = dollar=20 stock,
and lets not forget 7% on a 10 dollar = stock is=20 70 cents.
Then commissions.
It also seems at times these small stocks move 50 cents as easily = as 50=20 dollar stock does. I find more of these low priced stocks on my lists as = well,=20 and it seems that they certainly tighten everything up for me.
Tell me Tom, give me some of your secrets to handling these little=20 guys.
I need the scoop to success, oh and I did get rid of that shock = collar=20 (didn't work).  I found a keyboard guard to cover and lock my = keyboard,=20 then I hide the key. I locked it today after buying RESC, looked to be a = legitimate breakout, maybe not as much volume as I'd like but you can't = have=20 everything.
 
don't know a thing
joe
 
joe@2fords.net
http://www.2fords.net/joe/<= /DIV> - ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01BD7D15.F6BE6520-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:24:26 -0400 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's left on my "watch" list Joe, when are you going to give up that "don't know a thing" handle? Should have thrown it away with the shock collar, or at least hidden it better!! I have emphasized the effects of the new Order Display rules. The spread is not the problem it once was. Truth is now, investors (be they individuals or institutionals) now "make the spread", not the market makers. All the MMers do today is set the framework, it's up to us to us that to our advantage. I never used to use a limit, if a stock was moving and I wanted to own it, I put in a mkt order. Likewise on the sell side. Nowadays, I try for more patience and use limit orders on any spread over a qtr, and often when the spread is even less, and esp on lower priced stocks. When you do so, you do take the chance of no execution. Going high bid with a limit buy doesn't guarantee execution. And it's more risky if you can't follow the mkt once your order is entered. But you do at least know where you will be done, or better. If I was trading highly liquid, $30 stocks, then I doubt I would use a limit except for unique situations or where I could not follow the mkt at all. And I would stick pretty close to the 8% stop loss rule. But on micro and small caps, I usually try to anticipate the breakout so I don't find myself chasing them (they can move quickly as many tend to wait for the breakout, then buy, thus accelerating and exaggerating the effect). It's more risky that way, and you may find yourself holding a non-performing position longer than you want to, but it's harder to slice and dice the spread when the stock is already moving (then again, by then there may not be much of a spread). Likewise, on the sell side for a profit, it's more important to pick your exit point and stick to it, and not regret leaving money on the table. You only hit the high by pure luck. Playing the small and micro caps is not for everyone, that's one of the reasons WON emphasizes stocks over $12/share. You are taking more risks, and gotta have more confidence in yourself, to play a stock that's not real liquid. Patience also counts heavily. I have watched stocks for months before acting. In many cases, I missed the breakout and choose not to chase it (often to my regret). But keeping many candidates waiting in the wings does serve to temper my impulsiveness. Tom W - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Scott To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's left on my "watch" list Hi Tom, I had a few questions, hoping you can help me. I was reviewing your watch list and for my immediate proposes I didn't go any farther than look at the charts, but for the types of bases that I look for several look great. My problem in buying stocks under say 15.00 and particularly under 10.00 is that it seems that by the time I realize its breaking out and decide to buy, that combined with the spread which seems always to be large (proportionally) in these low priced stocks, that I end up paying more or close to 7% above base. That forces me to be buying extended and the stock can't return to base without stopping me out. Then if I decide to sell for a 7 or 8% loss, I have the spread to contend with again. Just an 1/8 on the ask or bid is 1.3% on a 10 dollar stock, and lets not forget 7% on a 10 dollar stock is 70 cents. Then commissions. It also seems at times these small stocks move 50 cents as easily as 50 dollar stock does. I find more of these low priced stocks on my lists as well, and it seems that they certainly tighten everything up for me. Tell me Tom, give me some of your secrets to handling these little guys. I need the scoop to success, oh and I did get rid of that shock collar (didn't work). I found a keyboard guard to cover and lock my keyboard, then I hide the key. I locked it today after buying RESC, looked to be a legitimate breakout, maybe not as much volume as I'd like but you can't have everything. don't know a thing joe joe@2fords.net http://www.2fords.net/joe/ - - ------------------------------ End of canslim-digest V2 #234 ***************************** To unsubscribe to canslim-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe canslim-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.