From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #104 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 104 In This Digest: RE: (exotica) James Bond Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension (exotica) RE: James Bond Theme Re: (exotica) tapes Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension Re: (exotica) Rat Pack Exotica Re: (exotica) smylonylon (exotica) smylonylon (exotica) my crappy lounge Re: (exotica) tapes (SMYLONYLON) Re: (exotica) James Bond Re: (exotica) Charles Randolph Grean Sounde (exotica) The Warm Sound of Plas Johnson Re: Re[2]: (exotica) Re: Looking for Exotica Mp3's (exotica) Required reading digested Re: (exotica) tapes (SMYLONYLON) Re: (exotica) James Bond -Reply (exotica) Tijuana Brass (exotica) fwd: [ANN] Blue Moon Records Sale Re: (exotica) How'd they do? How'd they do? How'd they do? (Bear with me) Re: (exotica) James Bond Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension (exotica) mildew Re: (exotica) James Bond (exotica) Hello exotica Re: (exotica) smylonylon Re: (exotica) James Bond Re: (exotica) James Bond Re: (exotica) James Bond (exotica) If I knew Nat was coming, I'd have baked a cake... (exotica) Sy Zentner (exotica) Ranwood.Tornadoes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:26:19 -0400 From: "Brian Phillips" Subject: RE: (exotica) James Bond It's credited to Monty Norman on all of the Bond films. Norman did the soundtrack to Dr. No. Or did he? > There's been some debate over on the Zorn list about who wrote > the James Bond > theme. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:55:40 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension > a dork??? Couldn't find that in my dictionary. U.S. slang. Dork = phallus. Also applied to humans, with negative connotation. In my experience, roughly equivalent to "nerd", but minus the brainy aspects. A closer match might be the British "twit". Also used as an adjective: "dorky". A true-life example? Well, for my money, our former vice president, Danny Quayle, stands out as a real grand prize dork. (pardon my opinion) m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 06 May 98 11:03:06 -0600 From: Tim Earp Subject: (exotica) RE: James Bond Theme Here's what it says from the newly acquired cd "The Best of James Bond/= 30th Anniversary Collection": "It was a Friday night phone call from Noel Rodgers, head of music at = United Artists, that put John Barry to work on the orchestration of Monty = Norman's two-minute composition that would become 'The James Bond theme' = for the 'Dr. No' soundtrack." It went to #13 on the UK charts, by the by. My name's Earp...Tim Earp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:43:38 +0000 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) tapes Thanks for the offer. We can talk about it. Are you in Chicago? That'll be expensive for me. Anyway, I have to check my tape-copys to find which Vol.number they are. Btw: I saw an exhibition recentely in D=FCsseldorf that had all the bubbl= y 60s furniture that you seem to be interested in. Together with some fashion. They had a whole bar interior from Bolzano, Italy, everything entirely plastic and plexiglass... plus the UFO-sized house of Charles Wilp designed by Luigi Colani. Nice to look at but I wouldn't wanna live in it. Bamboo-MO # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:51:51 PDT From: "Ben Waugh" Subject: Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension >> a dork??? Couldn't find that in my dictionary. > >U.S. slang. Dork = phallus. Could not find dork in my dict. I have a growing suspicion that at its etymological root is dirk (dagger).... One of these days I'm going to get my self genitally organizized, BW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:26:49 -1000 From: sfunk@pop.adn.com (Stephen Funk) Subject: Re: (exotica) Rat Pack Exotica >The Rat Pack "not exactly exotic"?!?!? > >Listen to Frank and Billy May's "On the Road to Mandalay" (_Come Fly >with Me_, Capitol 1958) - it's a friggin' fabulous gong-fest! Also try Frank and Billy's "Granada" and "Moonlight on the Ganges"... I think they're bonus tracks on the Reprise album Sinatra Swings (eary 60s)... Imagine "Mandalay" taken one step further and you've got an idea what these sound like! - - Steve *** *** *** Steve Funk (sfunk@pop.adn.com) Anchorage, AK USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:46:12 -0600 From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: (exotica) smylonylon >The people who run the stores also used to have parties at some >nightspot, and had a hand in the Family of Man, which I don't know too >much about. Actually, isn't this band FAMILY OF GOD? Which I already mentioned in my email that the guy is in that band. I dunno...maybe they used to be called Family of Man??? Jill "Mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:44:45 +0200 From: Marcus Kozica Subject: (exotica) smylonylon Yes, but where is it. I've been walking up and down Lafayette 1000 of times and I haven't found it. People tell me that the actual store isn't called Smylonylon but something else (not Something Else though.) AND isn't it Family of God? Marcus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:11:21 CDT From: SPECIAL AGENT J3274 Subject: (exotica) my crappy lounge any one on the list want a tape of my crappy lounge project titled THE CHI CHI RODRIGUEZ ORCHESTRA? It isn't quite finished yet but it should be in about a week or two. if you are interested, send me your address, and $2.00 (i have to pay for tapes and postage and $2 wont even cover that but I'm not looking to make a buck.) to this address NINTH STREET RECORDS C/O JASON TULLER 1211 9TH STREET DARDANELLE AR, 72834 YOU WILL ALSO RECIEVE A CATALOGUE. P.S. I assure you this tape will not live up to your expectations of wha t lounge should be but it is my first attempt. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:42:48 -0600 From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: (exotica) tapes (SMYLONYLON) At 13:13 06/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >>>One of the guys came to my gig in NYC a couple years ago<< > >You play in a band? Let's get outed! I am a DJ. I think a lot of people on this list know this already - I didn't think it was a secret and I certainly don't mind being "outed". That is why I post my radio show playlists every week. And...on a person note, I think you and I have met before in Germany...I emailed you the other day MO, but you never got back to me about it. What gives?? Jill "Mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:50:48 EDT From: Rcbrooksod Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond In a message dated 98-05-06 11:51:40 EDT, you write: << It's credited to Monty Norman on all of the Bond films. >> It is always credited separately from the sound track credits to Norman. This is noted in all the "official" Bond films. The Broccoli/Saltzman team were obviously required to make the credit to the original composer of the JB Theme. BTW, don't most of the newer (i.e. last 20 years) James Bond Movies suck? Geeze, even George Lazenby was better than the "blokes" we have today. Sorry Remington Steele and Dalton . . .just speaking my mind. Regards, Tiki "is that a Walther PPK in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" Bob. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:18:33 PDT From: "Ben Waugh" Subject: Re: (exotica) Charles Randolph Grean Sounde >Greane's contributions to the Varese disc are the grooviest of all! With >theremin, if I remember right. > >C. "Ratso" Russo Speaking of soundtracks and theremin, on TV's Greatest Hits (Mercury, 1976), the John Gregory orchestra uses a theremin on "Columbo" (I can't recall whether the original series soundtrack did or not). Other tracks include Cannon, The Rockford Files, Kojack, etc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:19:51 +0000 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) The Warm Sound of Plas Johnson This may be old news to most of you, but I just found "The Warm Sound of Plas Johnson" (Blue Moon 3060), a great CD featuring the saxophonist on Les Baxter's "Jungle Jazz" and "African Jazz", as well as Mancini's "The Pink Panther" and many other soundtracks. This comp features Plas in small group sessions with Emil Richards, Jimmy Bond, and others, plus several tracks from the smoky "Blue Martini" album (which has great "late night" feel), with John Neel's Orchestra. Check it out! Blue Moon is a Spanish label, and this apparently came out in 1996. Got mine at Dusty Groove America. Sorry if this old news! Darrell Brogdon Program Director KANU Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 dbrogdon@ukans.edu http://www.ukans.edu/~kanu-fm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:23:14 PDT From: "R. M." Subject: Re: Re[2]: (exotica) Re: Looking for Exotica Mp3's > >I've never found much Exotica, although once I found six cuts from the UL Crime >Scene and some theme songs (Hawaii 5-0, Fat Albert, Mission Impossible). Mostly >it's modern pop, techno and ska. So, if you're looking just for Exotica, it's >probably not worth the effort, unless you connect with someone who wants to >trade specifically. > Check out http://newmedia.slc.edu:3003 They've got MP3s by some interesting artists there, like Mort Garson (some sorta Satanic Mass played on the Moog, I think). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:46:25 +0000 From: Ron Grandia Subject: (exotica) Required reading digested Lou Smith's post about reference material produced some great replies. I took the time to compile some of them so's I would have a ready reference. I'm posting this in the hopes that others will find it useful as well. This may not be a complete list of messages, apologies if I missed yours or one you were interested in. I check email from several locations and may have "stranded" a post or two on a remote computer. Lou Smith We talk mostly about records here on the group, but I'm wondering what reference books y'all keep on your bookshelf. I suppose most of us have and endorse Joseph Lanza's Elevator Music and both volumes of Re/Search's Incredibly Strange Music. Some other books on my shelves are: The Catalog of Cool, ed. by Gene Sculatti (1982) Goldmine's Celebrity Vocals by Ron Lofman (1994) Goldmine's Comedy Record Price Guide by Ronald L. Smith (1996) Hi-Fi's & Hi-Balls by Steven Guarnaccia & Bob Sloan (1997) Hollywood Hi-Fi by those 2 guys whose names I can't remember Ocean of Sound by David Toop (1995) Soundtrack: The Music Of The Movies by Mark Evans (1979) Thrift Score by Al Hoff, Girl Reporter (1997) TV's Biggest Hits by Jon Burlingame (1996) Ultra Lounge by Dylan Jones (1997) - yeah i what a rip off this one is... And magazines including: Cannot Become Obsolete, Cool & Strange Music!, Exotica/Etc., Thrift Score and Tiki News ====================================================== Hugh Petfield 1) Rock On! Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Rock and Roll (but covers other genres) - by Norm N. Nite 2) Billboard book of (USA) Top 40 hits 3) Guinness book of (UK) hit singles 4) Music Master CD catalog 5) The Name Game (real names + more) Glen Baker 6) Total Television 7) Billboard Music Guide (CD ROM) 8) Ivor Mairants' Dance Band chords (for guitar)(50's goodie) 9) Trade catalogs (list all UK releases except 78's from 1955-64) ====================================================== Br. Cleve The Album Cover Art Of Soundtracks, ed. by Frank Jastfelder and Stefan Kassel Cad, A Handbook For Heels , ed. by Charles Schneider Pin-up Mania, by Alan Betrock Album Covers From The Vinyl Junkyard, Booth-Cliburn Editions That's Blaxploitation, by Darius James A Girl and A Gun, by David N. Meyer ====================================================== Ingmar Breithel breithel@lund.mail.telia.com Yasushi Ide (ed.): In the Mood (1991) - before the era of websites with album cover scans, this was something to drool over: a wonderful book with photos of records by Baxter, Gleason, Riddle, Shearing, etc. David Meeker: Jazz in the Movies (1977) Roy Carr, Brian Case, and Fred Dellar: The Hip - Hipsters, Jazz, and the Beat Generation (1986) Ferguson & Johnson: Mainstream Jazz Reference and Price Guide 1949--1965 (1984) Robert Gordon: Jazz West Coast (1986) The Billboard Book of Brazilian Music (1991) - for the bossa nova content Hal David: What the World Needs Now and Other Love Lyrics (1968) - - has interesting background info on the conception of some of this century's greatest songs (and a foreword by Dionne Warwick) Schwann catalogs - THE essential reference guides And, moving away from the music for a moment, for space age design and bachelor pad style, the following books are highly recommended: Gerd and Ursula Hatje: Design for Modern Living (1962) Cara Greenberg: Mid-Century Modern. Furniture of the 1950s (1984) Martin Eidelberg (ed.): Design 1935--1965. What Modern Was (1991) Lesley Jackson: The New Look. Design in the Fifties (1991) Lesley Jackson: Contemporary. Architecture and Interiors of the 1950s (1994) Mark Burns and Louis DiBonis: Fifties Homestyle. Popular Ornament of the USA (1988) Thomas Hine: Populuxe (1986) Alan Hess: Googie. Fifties Coffee Shop Architecture (ca 1990) Holly Wahlberg: Everyday Elegance: 1950s Plastics Design (1994). Sheila Steinberg and Kate E. Dorner: Fabulous Fifties: Designs for Modern Living ====================================================== Jordana Robinson eero67@hotmail.com Besides the ones above, a couple of related zines I like are Easy Listener and Mystery Date. I also like having some back issues of Grand Royal (like the one with a feature on the history of electronic music), but that's a very spotty magazine. Jordana Robinson eero67@geocities.com www.geocities.com/SoHo/2157 ====================================================== Ben Waugh kahuna77@hotmail.com One of the books on my stereo shelf is A Guide to Electronic Music, by Paul Griffiths (Thames & Hudson, 1979; ISBN 0500272034). It is a small volume (127 pps), somewhat academic, but quite readable (not couched in jargon). It provides an interesting history of electronic music, discussing tape, the theremin, Robert Moog and the genesis and employment of synthesizers in various musical genres There is quite a bit of focus on composers such as Cage, Subotnick, Stockhausen and, to a lesser extent, rock musicians, but little to do with the pop of the day. The appendices include a nice list of composers and their recordings; each entry gives a brief description of the composer's style and history. ==================================================== Jonathan M. Perl jmperl@juno.com I would like to add Film Posters of the 60s, by Tony Nourmand and Graham Marsh. London: Aurum Press, 1997; New York: Overlook Press, 1998. This is particularly interesting to look at in conjunction with the Album cover art book, as it has reproductions of posters of the same kinds of films, including many comparisons of posters from different countries. In particular, the Japanese posters, such as the one for 'the umbrellas of cherbourg' are fascinating. There is a cover scan of the book here: http://www.mcs.net/~klast/www/bks_film.html#posters =========================================================== Lou Smith VideoHound's Soundtracks, edited by Didier Deutsch (who compiles soundtracks for Rhino and Sony), forward by Lukas Kendall (ed. of Film Score Monthly), $24.95, (1998) . The book reviews over 2,000 soundtracks, rates them on a 5 dog-bone scale (ha ha - i geddit), and includes a 15 cut CD of Hollywood Records soundtrack selections. Impulse purchase - I'll know if it was worth it in a few days when I've had a chance to browse. UK magazine Gramophone also has a soundtrack book available. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:50:56 +0000 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) tapes (SMYLONYLON) >>And...on a person note, I think you and I have met before in Germany...I emailed you the other day MO, but you never got back to me about it. What gives?? << Are you the one that sat in the trunk of Bernd's Renault with a Tiki tattooed on your shoulder? Then, and only then, I remember. At that day the whole city was so crowded. BTW: I think in my imperfect English a gig always meant a performance of a band somehow, didn't think of DJing. You never stop learning... MO # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:56:25 +0100 From: MUV96TBD@Student2.lu.se (Kenny Brockelstein) Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond -Reply >Who can recommend a good John Barry comp?....... "Great TV And Film Hits" (Columbia 476956 2) I dunno how available it is, I bought it in Prague last year, but I haven't seen it elsewhere before or since. It's really good though, just a few Bond songs and lots of obscure great stuff such as The More Things Change (anyone know where this song was released originally??? It's my favourite Barry track) and The Danny Scipio Theme. 16 songs all in all, playing time is about 45 minutes. Kenny Brockelstein # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:30:50 +0100 From: Hugh Petfield Subject: (exotica) Tijuana Brass Hi, Knowing that there are several musicologists who take part in this discussion group, can anyone trace the origins of the Tijuana Brass style of music back to European roots? I'm not sure if I can define the question exactly, but if the origin of Tijuana is in some Euro brass band tradition, how come it's very different to the German Oompah sort of music? Perhaps it relates back to a style of brass in Spain - 'bullring accompaniment' - but if you ask about Spanish music you tend to think of Flamenco. Come to that, do you hear Flamenco in Mexico? Puzzledly, Hugh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:59:25 GMT From: lousmith@pipeline.com (Lou Smith) Subject: (exotica) fwd: [ANN] Blue Moon Records Sale Wasn't there a recent post endorsing Blue Moon? If so, here's an FYI picked up from Usenet. Standard disclaimer: I'm not associated with BM in *any* way. - -Lou (can someone remind me which Blue Moon releases are worth buying?) In rec.music.misc, "Lunar E-clipse" wrote: >http://www.purity.com/bluemoon/ > >From May 5-15 All Domestics are 10% off and all Imports are 15%off on all >orders of $50 or more. > >Blue Moon is a new online music store specializing in underground dance >music on both vinyl and CD. Our catalog is divided into five main styles >(listed below), and is fully searchable. > >House/Progressive/Garage >Techno/Trance/Acid/Goa >Hardcore/Gabber >Drum & Bass/Jungle >Big Beats/Trip Hop/Breaks/Electro > >New releases are added every week, so come by often and browse the catalog. > > >Keith La Rosa >Lunar E-clipse >Owner >------- >Blue Moon Records >512.459.9795 office >512.328.2688 fax # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:02:20 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) How'd they do? How'd they do? How'd they do? (Bear with me) At 06:57 AM 05/05/98 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote: > >This list is a good thing for people that want to talk about exotica, but >since I was born in 1963, I have no historical perspective on the albums we >discuss. I can, however, look at the Billboard chart positions of some of >the people we discuss. The historical perspective I bring to the records discussed here has little or nothing to do with chart positions. I do find it kind of fascinating to discover that a number of these records attained chart positions and even sold well. For one thing it helps explain the abundance of certain records at Goodwill stores. And having grown up with that stuff around me, I guess I'm not surprised to find out that some of this stuff "charted". Of course, the first time I saw a "chart" of any kind it was the local radio station's CHUM Chart and I only cared whether the Animals had toppled the Beatles. I'd be surprised to find out that anyone collected this stuff using charts. I guess I assumed that most people who collect this stuff do it somewhat like I do, whether they were around for all of it or not. When I was growing up, there was the world of music I couldn't get enough of and there was the world of music that I couldn't get AWAY FROM enough. It never really occurred to me that there were people who actually bought these records I was trying to get away from. Occasionally I'd see the actual records in someone's parents' collection but mostly this music was a FORCE which seemed to permeate everything. Even rock shows on TV had more easy listening versions of current hits than they had actual rock n roll. So now I'm mining all the tributaries I can find within this "genre" which I once considered the ENEMY, the voice of official culture. And given how unbelievably narrow my view of music was as a child, it's interesting to find out that Perez Prado's "Patricia" was an actual hit. That perspective was so narrow and so entrenched that even 15 years into collecting jazz, I still read the back of some bebop record and think "Wow they made this record when I was two! Who knew?" I guess my historical perspective is not so much based on historical FACT or historical research as much as it's about finding as many records as possible which I once would have HATED - as much for what they stood for as for any musical qualities - and finding out what I think of them now. In some sense, it's about putting faces to all those names that once made me cringe but it's also about the endless, faceless mass of generic records that sometimes turn out to be pretty groovy. Really what it's about is the fact that these records are usually cheap and if you sufficiently expand your idea of what is a record you want, then you can always find a record you THINK you want. It is anthropological but historical fact only enters into it only AFTER you decide that this is the coolest record you found in weeks and then someone says "Hey that was on the Billboard chart for 2 weeks". "Oh yeah? Hmmmm..." Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:02:22 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond At 01:30 PM 06/05/98 UT, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: > >There's been some debate over on the Zorn list There's a Zorn list?!? Like this list but dedicated to one artist? A prolific artist I must admit - some might say a little TOO prolific - but still. A newsgroup or a list? Like how many posts a day? You look in your mailbox and there's 25 little letters all about John Zorn? Anybody over there speculating on whether Marvin Hamlisch is slated for a Great Jewish Composers tribute? I guess this was a rhetorical question. Why shouldn't there be a Zorn list? It's the web, right? I guess no matter how much I come to understand this web thing in principle, I can still be surprised by what happens in practice. I was actually listening to one of his Filmworks CD's as this posting came up... Is there a John Lurie list? Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:02:24 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) 2525 - semantic extension At 11:55 AM 06/05/98 -0400, m.ace wrote: > >> a dork??? Couldn't find that in my dictionary. >>U.S. slang. Dork = phallus. > >Also applied to humans, with negative connotation. In my experience, roughly >equivalent to "nerd", but minus the brainy aspects. I never think of dork as a nerd-related term. I think of dork as more like "doofus" or even "jerk". And if it is slang for phallus, then that would put it with all the other phallic terms like schmuck, schmendrick, prick, dick... which I apply mostly to people I dislike. But I think it implies a meanness, a cruelty on the person's part and nerds are usually nice. I mean, if a person were somehow so focussed on their phallus that they in effect BECAME a phallus, then I think they would be the OPPOSITE of a nerd. When I think of myself as a nerd - though "geek" comes to mind more often - - it's because I believe I'm acting like I don't have a phallus at all... which before you say it, is not the same as acting like a woman. Whatever the original meaning of dork, I think that today it implies a prick who's too stupid to be all that mean. Too stupid or too harmless. A stupid harmless phallus. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:04:31 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) mildew I know this has been discussed previously, but I can't imagine when it was or what the subject line would have been (and maybe someone's learned some new tricks by now). Does anyone know some good methods for dealing with mildew on records and covers? (especially covers -- got some rather overpowering specimens here) And yes, I know about the Nitty Gritty. No, it's not an option. Thanks, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:12:44 EDT From: Rcbrooksod Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond In a message dated 98-05-06 17:49:51 EDT, you write: << Especially since James has to drive an ordinary BMW just because it is sponsored! >> This BMW slant is interesting. In the books, Ian Fleming still had a "post war' dislike of things German. The villians often drove German cars (Draco in Moonraker and Ernst Stavro Blofeld in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, et. al.). Actually many of the villians had "German blood". Fleming would relate Bond's appreciation for the German cars but Bond "would never consider owning one". Keep this mind these are Fleming's observations not mine. For one, I live in South Carolina -- the only place where the Z3 is made and the most favorite car I ever owned was a 1976 BMW 2002 (which had an excellent Blaupundt radio that I use to listen to a "Walk in the Black Forrest" on -- there -- I tied in a music thread). Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:20:01 -0500 From: grinderman@juno.com (Hess Jeffery) Subject: (exotica) Hello exotica Hello good people of the exotica list. I'm a newcomer to this list. I am a big fan of all sorts of exotica/lounge/moog and such. My faves include Esquivel, Denny, and Baxter (of course). Which I consider to be the big 3 of exotica. I also love more obscurer stuff like Milton Delugg and Si Zentner. I love tape trading, and I am always willing to spread good music around wherever possible. In the meantime, I'll just sit back and get a feel for the list and chime in whenever I think it's appropriate. Thanks, Jeffery Hess _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:58:14 PDT From: "Jordana Robinson" Subject: Re: (exotica) smylonylon Marcus wrote: >Yes, but where is it. I've been walking up >and down Lafayette 1000 of times and I haven't found it. >People tell me that the actual store isn't called Smylonylon >but something else (not Something Else though.) The name is on the door, but really small. You're better off looking for the plastic crap that covers the door. As for directions, it's in the opposite direction from Other Music, Prince Street, Screaming Mimi's etc., and if you're walking towards it it's on the right side of the street. >AND > > isn't it Family of God? Yes, I think you and Jill (Mingo-go) are both right. I sent my post before I got hers, hence the repetition. Besides the Vampyros Lesbos nights (are those still happening?), the Smylonylon scene is one of the things I really want to go to in NYC but I almost never stay overnight. Anyone been to either? Jordana Robinson eero67@geocities.com www.geocities.com/SoHo/2157 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:35:11 -0400 From: cheryls Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond Nat Kone wrote: > > There's a Zorn list?!? ... Like how many posts a day? You look in your mailbox and there's 25 little letters all about John Zorn? Anybody over there speculating on whether Marvin Hamlisch is slated for a Great Jewish Composers tribute? Scary thought, but you never know... > Is there a John Lurie list? If anyone knows about a John or Evan Lurie/Lounge Lizards list, I'd appreciate knowing about it! cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh) Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond How are the Bonds books? Which are the best ones? Suggestions please! Plus exotica goes beyond just music. - ----------------- Tosh Berman TamTam Books - ---------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:18:09 EDT From: Rcbrooksod Subject: Re: (exotica) James Bond In a message dated 98-05-06 22:51:15 EDT, you write: << How are the Bonds books? Which are the best ones? Suggestions please! Plus exotica goes beyond just music. >> These are some of my opinions of good Bond books: Casino Royale (the first) Moonraker Diamonds are Forever Live and Let Die Thunderball Goldfinger On Her Majesty's Secret Service These are the early one's -- the later ones were softened along with Flemings post war cynicism. The post Fleming Books written by Gardner as epilogues at the best. Run through the classics first. These make for great summer reading -- easy to pick up and put down. I would suggests the used paperback book stores. Hope this thread is ok people. Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:54:42 -0400 From: "Brian Phillips" Subject: (exotica) If I knew Nat was coming, I'd have baked a cake... I wrote: > >This list is a good thing for people that want to talk about exotica, but > >since I was born in 1963, I have no historical perspective on > the albums we > >discuss. I can, however, look at the Billboard chart positions > of some of > >the people we discuss. To which Nat replied: > The historical perspective I bring to the records discussed here > has little or nothing to do with chart positions. So I say... That's fine. As Nat said later in his post, it is interesting to me to see what charted and what did not, which is why I posted what I did. My Uncle (the one that got me interested in Yma Sumac) said once while playing "Le Souk" by Dave Brubeck, "Everyone I knew at college had a copy of "Jazz Goes to College". That is the perspective that I cannot provide and a chart may or may not reflect the popularity of this record. I personally don't use the charts to say, "Well, that must have been _____'s best album, look how it sold". To quote the computer in the movie "Rollerball", I'm a stat freak, myself". Let's just say I rely on the kindness of strangers before and after a good browse session. It doesn't take many repetitions of the Eagles' oeuvre to make one a niche consumer. It is nice to see the men and women who left behind great music get appreciated by others. Music business is business and business needs sales. The recognition of this (as good or bad Billboard's methods were/are) I find interesting and was not meant to dictate taste in the group., or my particular. Further on, Nat said... "...as it's about finding as many records as possible which I once would have HATED - as much for what they stood for as for any musical qualities - and finding out what I think of them now." This phenom never ceases to amaze me. My early (8 or 9 years old!) dislike of Billie Holiday came from the fact that my father hogged the stereo to listen to all four sides "The Billie Holiday Story", not quality of music. I'd like another crack at Orquestra Almendra for the same reason! However, there are some that fall into the good category (Les Baxter), yet there are still the records that I still cannot deal with (as always, Jo Basile's "My World" and "Do the Hula" by various artists or Thurston Knudson). For all y'all: What is the hippest record that you found in your parent's collection, exotica-wise? For me, it would be "Le Sacre du Savage" de Les Baxter, a 10" LP. *Ding* Cake's done, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 05:52:54 PDT From: "Ben Waugh" Subject: (exotica) Sy Zentner Yes, Sy Zentner! I just finished making a compilation tape last evening and capped it with a couple of Zentner tunes: Dragons and Demons and his version of Tiki (anyone know what Baxter lp this appeared on? Or any CD comps. it may have been included on? Great song). Although I can't recall the name of the lp, it is really quite good. Zentner, I believe, started out in Billy May's band. >I also love more obscurer stuff like Milton Delugg >and Si Zentner. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 06:22:20 PDT From: "Ben Waugh" Subject: (exotica) Ranwood.Tornadoes Hugh Petfield inquired: Was Grean a shareholder in Ranwood? Did he produce the recently discussed Exotic Guitars album on Ranwood? Perhaps a shareholder, but the producer was ... Randy Wood. Nifty, hm? Speaking of producers (sort of), the Joe Meek project The Tornadoes is well worth a listen. They are, of course, the band that is responsible for the initial recording of Telstar - and their version much more interesting than subsequent covers. Though the instruments played are pretty conventional, they seem to have totally exploited the resources of Meek's studio - capturing a distinct, "outerspace pop" sound. All songs are instrumental, and though The Tornadoes do not really belong in the proto-surf pantheon, I'd mention them in the same breath as The Shadows and The Atlantics. I think the Telstar lp has been released on CD. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #104 *****************************