From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: (fractint) First images to the list Date: 01 Feb 1999 21:37:37 +1100 For the last 10 days or so I've been experimenting with colouring formulas. I'm still learning but I thought that it was about time I sent in some images. I won't say much about the formula--except that I knew less about the decomp colouring method then than I do now: which is very little. The first image, "Paradise Lost" reminded me of the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch, the second of maybe some later science fiction painter. This stuff is a nightmare for the spelling checker. Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Paradise_Lost { ; Copyright Mark Townsend, 28-01-99 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=mt_990128f function=tanh/recip/cos/exp center-mag=-1.26192/1.46107/2.87233/1.0492 params=1/1/0.1/0.1/-0.3/0.7 float=y maxiter=256 inside=128 outside=real decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=dO9<2>ZJ2XH0VG0<3>N90080000<126>LPH00J<2>50P71R93U<9>TNlVOmXQoZSp\ `Uq<3>havjcwlew<2>rkytmzvozxqzzrz<3>rkypiyngxlew<2>f_udYtbWr<2>XQnVPmTNk\ RLi<9>71R50P30N10KJ60<6>YH0<7>lUImWLoYNpZPq`R<3>vf_whbwjd<2>ynkzpmzrozsq\ zus<3>yojymhxkfwjd<2>ueYtcWrbT<2>nYNmWKkUIiTGhREfQB cyclerange=0/255 } Into_the_Machine { ; Copyright Mark Townsend, 31-01-99 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=mt_990128f function=exp/sin/tan/ident center-mag=-1.12549/0.863527/6.59508 params=16/16/0.05/0.05/0.3/0.6 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256 colors=tmy<4>ohxngxmfxlewkdwjcw<14>WPnVPmUOlTNkSMj<20>71R60Q50P40O<3>00J\ J60<13>YH0ZI1_J3<18>oYOpZPq_Qq`RraSsaU<13>ymhyniynkyolzpm<4>ztrzusztr<9>\ xlgxkfxjewjdwicwha<14>nXMmWKlVJkUIjUH<13>YI1XH0WH0<11>J7000J<5>50P60Q71R\ 82S<12>LFeMGfNHf<10>YRoZSp_Tq`UqaVrbWs<13>piyqjyrkyslytmz<4>yrzzrzyrz<3>\ unz cyclerange=0/255 } frm:mt_990128f { Mark Townsend, 28-01-99 ; real p1 coloring speed of points captured by the Y axis ; imag p1 coloring speed of points captured by the X axis ; real p2 bailout point for orbits nearing the Y axis ; imag p2 bailout point for orbits nearing the X axis ; p3 Julia coordinates ; fn1 function for the fractal formula ('ident' for Julia) ; fn2 function for coloring points captured by the Y axis ; fn3 function for coloring points captured by the X axis ; fn4 function for the outside coloring ; use decomp=256 ; ; This is an implementation of Pickover's 'epsilon cross' ; method on a generalised Julia fractal. The user can set ; how near the orbit has to get to the axes before bailing ; out. The larger the values given to p2 the wider the ; 'stalks'. The values should be positive or 0 to turn the ; stalks off. Points within the stalks are coloured by the ; angle of z at bailout, messed up by a function. The outside ; is coloured by the angle of z on it's closest approach to the ; origin, again through a function. ; ; *********************************** z = pixel, c = p3, iter = 1, s = 1e9: ; *********************************** z = fn1(sqr(z)) + c ; find the closest z to to the origin if (|z| < |s|) s = z endif if (abs(real(z)) < real(p2)) ; caught by Y axis z = fn2(z)^real(p1) iter = 0 elseif (abs(imag(z)) < imag(p2)) ; caught by X axis z = fn3(z)^imag(p1) iter = 0 elseif (|z| > 4) z = fn4(s) iter = 0 endif iter > 0 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: (fractint) First images to the list Date: 02 Feb 1999 00:38:03 +1100 Sorry, I just noticed that I left out the semicolon before the first comment in the formula. Fractint still seems to generate the images OK, but for the sake of completeness can anybody who cares replace the first line of the the formula with this: frm:mt_990128f { ;Mark Townsend, 28-01-99 Thank you. Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Visitor Date: 01 Feb 1999 09:06:10 -0500 Almost every time I post a par I save the message first and run it through Fractint to be sure I've constructed it correctly. When I don't do that, I make mistakes. I should have learned by now. Replace the first line of the Visitor par's formula with: frm:bills-rotate3 { Bill Decker Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) new and revised web pages Date: 01 Feb 1999 17:49:30 -0500 I added a new page of Ultra Fractal images of some Sylvie Gallet formulas to my Geocities web site. In addition, I revised the Paul Carlson page, adding some new Ultra Fractal images, and replacing others. The Paul Carlson formula and par collection is still available there for download. I hope you enjoy your visit. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 1, 1999 - new and updated pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Axel Schwanh?u?er" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:29:39 +0000 Michael Traynor wrote: > >I would like to create large high res. Fractint Pictures with Fractint > >19.6. My goal are 4096*2732 points 256colors. I didn't find an easier > >way to create manually the > >four 1024 * 768 pictures by evaluating the x-y-coordinates ba my own > >hands. > >And then putting them together in a pciture-edding-Program like Corel. > > > >Does anybody has an idea to make this more efficient? > > Axel, > > In fractint, hit "b" for the save pars screen. Toward the bottom there > are places for you to specify x and y multiples. If you put a "2" in > each, fractint will divide the screen in 4, 2 rows, 2 columns and save the > pars for the four images, together with a file called makemig.bat (IIRC). > When you run makemig.bat from the command prompt it will batch generate the > four images and piece them together into a multi-image gif file, and if you > remove the "rem" at the beginning of the next to last line of makemig.bat > (the line that refers to simplgif) it will convert the multi-image gif to > a straightforward gif (since many viewers don't handle multi-image gifs). > There is more in the fractint documentation. > > You can use this technique to make images up to 64Kx64K, if you have the > machine to handle it. Even for smaller images, it helps to have lots of > memory, as to make the simple gif image the machine needs enough memory > (or disk space) to hold 3 copies, uncompressed. > > Sometimes there are problems at the edges of the component images, > particularly if you use a guessing method for drawing, so I usually use > the one pass method to avoid the problem. > > One thing to remember is that by dividing up the images, you are > effectively zooming into the original. You might need to up the interation > count in the original (or edit the pars, which are in fractint.par) and > you need to be careful when you are near the limits of fp math, as a zoom > my put you into arbitrary precision, and really slow things down. > > Hope this helps (and isn't wrong - but I'm sure someone will set me > straight if it is). > > -- > Mike Traynor > > People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. > Abraham Lincoln > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thank you very much! It (sometimes) works! Axel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 02 Feb 1999 12:51:59 -0500 At 06:29 PM 2/2/99 +0000, you wrote: [About three gigabytes of quoted material, including signatures and fractint list footers deleted] >It (sometimes) works! > >Axel Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Mathematical Constants Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:41:06 -0600 Hello Fractal Artisans; If you need some mathematical constants to plug into the fractal formulas you devise, be sure to check out the Table of Mathematical Constants at: http://www.mathsoft.com/asolve/constant/table.html . Bob Margolis Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 03 Feb 1999 23:55:18 -0500 At 12:51 PM 2/2/99 -0500, I wrote: >Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie! but it only showed up at 23:54 2/3/99 ... 36 hours later!!! What the fuck's the matter with the listserv? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:17:31 EST Hi Fractal folks, I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:30:07 -0500 At 08:17 AM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote: >Hi Fractal folks, > >I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I >would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. Excuse me? This is a) off topic and b) an unprovoked attack on me. Nobody died and left you Internet Censor. If a message offends you, don't read it. :P -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Cole Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 07:29:07 -0600 Hello, Although I didn't approve of the language, I respect his work greatly. I totally disagree with any negative comments or actions about Paul. Everyone gets frustrated when you expect things to work and they don't. I know I do. Ken Cole Genealogy1@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Fractal folks, > > I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I > would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. > > --Bob Carr-- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:15:24 +0100 I _don't_ quite think so! Frustration can be a very good reason for such language. And you're completely wrong (IMHO) when you think this is completely unacceptable. Your reaction does in no way show any social skills. Your behavior is IMO more to be frowned upon than Paul's. [Note: I've just been through days of fuss with ISPs and mail servers. I definitely wondered what the "****" was happening when I wasn't able to administrate my own mailing list (listserv :) because my ISP had put my list server in it's black list, and redirection didn't work and two different mail servers denied the existences of my accounts. -- Yes I can understand it.] -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >Hi Fractal folks, > >I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I >would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. > >--Bob Carr-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:04:42 +0100 Yeah, I wondered about that too. I got your message at 06:00 GMT+1, but the message you replied to didn't show up before 14:35 GMT+1.... It's a majordomo btw :) PS. I'm still on the list. As a lurker :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >At 12:51 PM 2/2/99 -0500, I wrote: >>Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie! > >but it only showed up at 23:54 2/3/99 ... 36 hours later!!! > >What the fuck's the matter with the listserv? >-- > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not >-() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- > -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net >_____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net >Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 14:23:58 -0300 > Dean-Christian Strik wrote : > >>>Frustration can be a very good reason for such language. Dean, I have no problem with the word in question. But I definitely have a problem with the "Ladies & Gentlemen, we have a newbie" attitude from Paul's original post. And I assume the list admin is DEFINITELY having a problem about this thread, so I better shut up. no_par_today { formulafile=*.frm formulaname=no_par_today } frm:no_par_today { } Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:04:25 EST In a message dated 2/4/99 12:27:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, M_Fliguer@miniphone.com.ar writes: << Dean, I have no problem with the word in question. >> If this member has no problem with the "word", perhaps he should be expelled as well. This list is not for gutter trash !!! --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:11:07 EST In a message dated 2/4/99 11:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, dean2@bigfoot.com writes: << Frustration can be a very good reason for such language. And you're completely wrong (IMHO) when you think this is completely unacceptable. Your reaction does in no way show any social skills. Your behavior is IMO more to be frowned upon than Paul's. >> There is NO REASON for such profanity on this format. If that's how one vents his frustration he is socialy imature at best. In reality, he is common without sense of others feelings. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:49:24 -0500 Friends, I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end. Matters of list etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim Wegner, who watches the list carefully, and will take whatever action he deems necessary in the event of breach, perhaps a gentle private admonishment o= r a reminder to the whole group if a problem is more widespread. Digging in= our heels on the current matter will serve no purpose. Regards, George Martin = Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:39:47 -0000 Paul Derbyshire wrote > If a message offends you, don't read it. :P How exactly do I do that? sixth sense? - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgen H Bell" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:55:38 -0500 Good heavens! The only thing fractal-like about all this is the endless repetitions which (I suppose) show self-similarity. Give it a rest, guys. Hi Fractal folks, I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Morano Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 15:17:17 -0500 Morgen H Bell wrote: > Good heavens! The only thing fractal-like about all this is the endless > repetitions which (I suppose) show self-similarity. Give it a rest, guys. Well, I am sure glad I just signed up for this list. I see there are a lot of discussions on fractals here. Thanks for the welcome. -- ,,,,, (o o) =======oOO==(_)==OOo======== http://www.bworks.com http://www.erols.com/amorano .oooO Oooo. =======( )====( )======= \ ( ) / \_) (_/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:52:35 +0100 You can't be serious.... tell me, are you just kidding now or are you serious? If the latter applies to you, I can't but conclude you are the one who doesn't fit on this list. No offense, just IMHO... -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >In a message dated 2/4/99 12:27:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, >M_Fliguer@miniphone.com.ar writes: > ><< Dean, I have no problem with the word in question. >> > >If this member has no problem with the "word", perhaps he should be expelled >as well. > >This list is not for gutter trash !!! > >--Bob Carr-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 16:27:00 -0500 At 06:39 PM 2/4/99 -0000, you wrote: >Paul Derbyshire wrote > >> If a message offends you, don't read it. :P > >How exactly do I do that? sixth sense? Procmail. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:39:53 -0800 I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running on top of SGI's IRIX. Can someone try this guy out on their XFract? The trick is, I'm busy crafting the Macintosh port, and I'm not sure what it'll take to get this working.. Thanks! Tim Gilman http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "AA" Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:50:27 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Genealogy1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:18 AM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 > > > Hi Fractal folks, > > I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his > latest post. I > would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve. > > --Bob Carr-- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > 01000110011101010110001101101011 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Watson Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:01:23 -0000 (GMT) Tim, I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04 FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine doesn't seem to work either. All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges of the window. Good luck with the porting.... On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote: > I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running > on top of SGI's IRIX. Can someone try this guy out on their XFract? Best Regards Jim Watson Marconi Communications, VOA (Sri Lanka) Project Site Office, P.O. Box 14, Negombo, Sri Lanka. Fax : + 94 32 54584 Tel : + 94 71 770542 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Watson Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:01:23 -0000 (GMT) Tim, I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04 FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine doesn't seem to work either. All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges of the window. Good luck with the porting.... On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote: > I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running > on top of SGI's IRIX. Can someone try this guy out on their XFract? Best Regards Jim Watson Marconi Communications, VOA (Sri Lanka) Project Site Office, P.O. Box 14, Negombo, Sri Lanka. Fax : + 94 32 54584 Tel : + 94 71 770542 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 22:18:31 -0500 At 09:50 PM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: [A lot of quoted material, followed by:] >01000110011101010110001101101011 ???????????????????????????????? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 04 Feb 1999 22:20:14 -0500 At 09:01 AM 2/5/99 -0000, you wrote: [A message] to both fractint@lists.xmission.com and fractint@xmission.com. This practise appears to produce duplicate messages on the list, as clearly both of your destination addresses work for posting. Please stick to just fractint@lists.xmission.com. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee&SusanLane Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:21:10 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------243E26DD57B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Martin hit the nail on the head, as I expect Tim would agree. But I have to say Bravo to Les St. Clair. That was brilliant. Here are some soothing pars. Cheers, Lee Lane >George Martin wrote: > > I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end. Matters of list > etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim Wegner, who > watches the list carefully, and will take whatever action he deems > necessary in the event of breach, perhaps a gentle private admonishment or > a reminder to the whole group if a problem is more widespread. Digging in > our heels on the current matter will serve no purpose. --------------243E26DD57B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LLane01.par" LL2-0220 { ; Papal scepter t= 0:00:45.75 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024 ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 04, 1999] ; e-mail to: slane@kiwi.dep.anl.gov reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02 function=tan/atan/cos passes=1 center-mag=-0.00317878/0.00155285/0.1608899/0.8932/-90 params=21/0/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=atan rseed=-7839 colors=RNHSSS<14>000<11>NJEPLFTPI<16>zqb<18>QLGOKFMIEKHDIFC<8>000<31>www\ <31>000<2>543765986BA7DB8<24>zqb<24>EB8CA7A86875654<2>000<31>www<15>UUU } LL2-0221 { ; Splash t= 0:00:48.17 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024 ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 03, 1999] ; e-mail to: slane@kiwi.dep.anl.gov reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02 function=cotan/asin/sqrt passes=1 center-mag=-0.00317878/0.00155285/0.1581163/0.8932/-90 params=43/8/4/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=real rseed=-7839 colors=JPOsobtpc<2>oj_mhYkfWidUgbT<8>QLDOJCMHAKF9KF9<30>NW`NW`NV_<22>HHJ\ GHIGGHFGHFFGEFFEEEDDD<16>HMLINMINMJONJON<2>KRPKRQLSQLSRLTR<7>NXVOYWOYWPZ\ XPYW<8>OLHNJFNJF<13>ZO7_P6aQ6<11>p_7q`7ra7tb8tdCtfGtiKtkOtnS<12>PIG<5>WP\ LYQMZRN`SOaUP<3>hZU<14>NJFLHELIE<15>ZVM_WN`XOaYPbZQ<6>hdWieWjfXjfXkgY<7>\ rna } LL2-0222 { ; Chinese decoration t= 0:00:53.94 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024 ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 03, 1999] ; e-mail to: slane@kiwi.dep.anl.gov reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02 function=tan/atan/cos passes=1 center-mag=-0.00331305/0.00155285/0.2122482/0.8867/-90 params=21/0/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=atan rseed=-7839 colors=0003vW<22>0hm0hm1gn<13>3Xu3Wv4Wv4Vv<2>6Tx6Sx7Rx7Qx8Qy8Py<3>BLzBLz\ CKzCJzDJz<8>IDzJCzKBzLBzMAz<5>Q7yR7xS6xT5wT5w<4>X3u000OCs_2t<18>l0im0hn0\ gn0fo0e<4>r1bs1as2`t2_t2Zu2Z<8>x6Sx7Rx7Qy8Qy8Py9O<6>zDJzDIzEHzEHzFGzGG<1\ 3>xQ7xR6xS6wT5wT5wU5<5>tZ2t_2s_2s`2ra1rb1qb14KLI1z0KK000<55>000BzL<8>6xS\ 5wT5wT5wU4vV4vW } frm:LL2-02 { ; overlay LL1-08 and LL1-11 z = pixel,c = fn2(z^p1),b1 = p2+3,b2 = p2+1: IF (whitesq) z = fn1(z)*z*z+c PHC_bailout = |z| < b1 ELSE z = p1*fn2(z*z*z*fn1(z)) + fn1(fn2(fn3(z))) PHC_bailout = z < b2 ENDIF PHC_bailout} --------------243E26DD57B1-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:35:16 -0500 Something with smooth surfaces and not very complicated. Something that gets us back on topic. Bill Decker bold-stripes { ; (c) Bill Decker Feb 04, 1999 t= 0:00:53.22 ; on P150 800x600 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=recip/exp/abs center-mag=1.04059/0.573731/16.84333/1/-92.5 params=1/1/8/4 float=y potential=255/200/0 colors=000K10<39>cV0dW0dW1eX2<20>olXplZpm_qmaqma<37>dV1cU0cU0cU0<34>ZM0Z\ M0ZM0YL0YL0XK0<22>M30L20K10J00I00<33>100000000000<40>K00 } frm:billsfn4 { z = p1, temp = pixel : z = fn1(temp^p2) IF (5 < z) temp = fn2(temp) ELSE temp = fn3(z) ENDIF z < 100 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 05 Feb 1999 17:52:09 +1300 At 09:01 05/02/99 -0000, you wrote: >Tim, > >I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04 >FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine >doesn't seem to work either. All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels >wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges >of the window. > This sounds normal - if you're referring to the default "1100" rule. Try another rule to see if more interesting patterns result - "1101101" should give you a screenful of diagonal stripes. > >On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote: >> I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running >> on top of SGI's IRIX. Can someone try this guy out on their XFract? >> This one is out of my bailiwick, I'm afraid. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:14:31 -0600 Tim wrote: Tim Gilman wrote: > I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running > on top of SGI's IRIX. Can someone try this guy out on their XFract? The > trick is, I'm busy crafting the Macintosh port, and I'm not sure what > it'll take to get this working.. I'll have a look at ant under Linux. Thanks for the report. Jonathan and I are both working on Linux bug fixes right now. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) offensive messages Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:17:42 -0600 George said: > I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end. Matters of > list etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim > Wegner, who watches the list carefully, and will take whatever > action he deems necessary George is right. I am dealing with this. Let's have no more discussion of this on the list, beyond this message. I will now state the obvious. For the sake of the protecting the purpose of the list (discussion of fractals): 1. don't post messages to the list asking or commenting about whether the list is up or down or other list administration issues. If you must, email me personally. I will tell you in advance, though, that I have no interest in 36 hour interruptions of the list that cure themselves. If there is a fundamental problem with the list I want to know. As list administrator, I have to post messages about administration issues like this one from time to time. I ask everyone else to resist the temptation to comment or respond to any off topic messages. 2. Dn't use language on the list that is likely to offend enough people to start a thread about your language. This is not a list for the purpose of discussing your language. By the same token, if someone on the list offends you, email me personally, don't post to the list. Your complaint, however legitimate, is off topic. Email me and I will take care of the problem. If you are frustrated, send me emails full of profanity. I can handle it :-) 3. We don't need messages about newbies or non-newbies or anyone else that might make anyone feel unwelcome. Finally, thanks to everyone for keeping the tone of the list so pleasant and friendly for the vast majority of messages. Tim List administrator Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:45:41 -0600 Morgan wrote (responding to Tim Gilman): > >I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04 > >FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine > >doesn't seem to work either. All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels > >wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges > >of the window. > > > This sounds normal - if you're referring to the default "1100" rule. Try > another rule to see if more interesting patterns result - "1101101" should > give you a screenful of diagonal stripes. You have hit the nail on the head. The type 2 ant works fine, it is just that the default isn't good for type 2. Your suggestion works for me. As Jim Watson pointed out, the Linux and DOS Ant behave the same, so it is not a Linux bug. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PKyleCA@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732 Date: 05 Feb 1999 01:38:22 EST In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, pderbysh@usa.net writes: << [A lot of quoted material, followed by:] >01000110011101010110001101101011 >> perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals with computers- exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths were observed)... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma? Date: 05 Feb 1999 08:09:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Please forgive me if I am asking either the obvious or the impossible! Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am setting up a rolling demo for a group of 11 and 12 year olds to use in their science fair project, and it involves a plasma plot being used to make a 3D mountain range; but some plasma's work better than others and I would like to stack the deck a bit so they get a good one every time..... I tried pre-plotting a few and then loading them, but this does not show the viewer the whole process from start to finish - unless I cheat and don't use the plot itself, just load one of my pre-cooked screens instead :-) Any comments and advice would be appreciated - especially by the 1,000 visitors expected to see the results. ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long (Information Scientist) n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) UltraFractal Halley Formula Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:52:01 GMT Okay, as you've already guessed it's about UltraFractal, not fractint. My problem is this: I've put together an impressive array of Newton approx formulas, but I can't seem to convert them to Halley approx. The resulting formulas just don't work. I don't get it. For example, below is the "Halley Cubic" formula, which doesn't work. However, if you change the last line of the loop section to read "Z = Z - @Relax * (F / G)", this transforming it into the Newton approx, it works just fine. What gives? ################################################### HalleyCubic { init: Z = #Pixel Ca = @Co3 Cb = @Co2 Cc = @Co1 Da = Ca*3 Db = Cb*2 Ea = Da*2 Bailout = @Bailout * @Bailout loop: F = Ca*Z*Z*Z + Cb*Z*Z + Cc*Z - @Root G = Da*Z*Z + Db*Z + Cc H = Ea*Z + Db Z = Z - @Relax * F / (G - (H * F / 2 * G)) bailout: |F| > Bailout default: title = "Halley Cubic" param Bailout default = 0.001 endparam param Root default = (1.0, 0.0) endparam param Relax caption = "Relaxation Coef" default = (1.0, 0.0) endparam param Co3 caption = "Cubic Coef" default = (1.0, 0.0) endparam param Co2 caption = "Quadratic Coef" default = (0.0, 0.0) endparam param Co1 caption = "Linear Coef" default = (0.0, 0.0) endparam } Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Facon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brederlow Subject: (fractint) high res. pictures greater than 2560*2560 or posters greater 32x32 tiles Date: 05 Feb 1999 13:05:39 +0100 Why can't I have an image greater than 2560x2560 pixels in size? Where does that limitation come from? If it where 65535x65535 I could understand where it comes from, but 2560? Also, why is the number of tiles for a poster limited? (Well apart from the stupid 8+3 limit does has.) For non-fat filesystems it is no problem to have longer names and thus have tiles with multicharacter index. May the Source be with you. Goswin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma? Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:22:05 -0300 >>>Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that >>>I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am I guess fractint rseed=xxx would do the trick (it seems it was specifically introduced to get repeatable plasmas). This is in the F1 docs, in the "Calculation Parameters" screen. RTFM (sorry, RTM) ;-) Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina Franktal Gallery - Shut Up And Draw Yer Fractals http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma? Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:05:02 +0100 Hi, use 'rseed=000' or something similar from the CLI or screen. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >Please forgive me if I am asking either the obvious or the >impossible! > >Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that >I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am >setting up a rolling demo for a group of 11 and 12 year >olds to use in their science fair project, and it involves >a plasma plot being used to make a 3D mountain range; but >some plasma's work better than others and I would like to >stack the deck a bit so they get a good one every time..... > >I tried pre-plotting a few and then loading them, but this >does not show the viewer the whole process from start to >finish - unless I cheat and don't use the plot itself, just >load one of my pre-cooked screens instead :-) > >Any comments and advice would be appreciated - especially >by the 1,000 visitors expected to see the results. > >---------------------- >Nigel H. J. Long >(Information Scientist) >n.h.long@soton.ac.uk > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) January PAR collection Date: 05 Feb 1999 22:29:41 -0000 The January par collection of postings to this mail list is now available at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm (just the parameters) or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get this version: http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm Updated companion formula & IFS collections are available from both sites. cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: (fractint) Binary code fractals Date: 06 Feb 1999 13:04:00 +1300 At 01:38 05/02/99 EST, PKyleCA wrote: >In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, pderbysh@usa.net >writes: > > > >01000110011101010110001101101011 >> > >perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals with computers- >exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths were observed)... > The Morse-Thue sequence could well be looked at as a fractal bit sequence (in the same way that Pascal's triangle mod 2 can be seen as corresponding to Sierpinski's Gasket). It is certainly self-similar: for a start, just taking every _second_ bit in the sequence yields the original sequence. There are at least three ways of generating it (these come from the ever-enthralling Clifford Pickover's book "Mazes for the Mind") The first can be implemented as a L-system. Starting with a 0, we take the sequence we have up to now (to start with, "0") and replace each 0 with 01 and each 1 with 10. For the second method we again start with 0. For each step, take the sequence we have up to now, copy it with all its bits flipped (writing "1" for "0" and vice versa), and append it to the original. The third is probably one of the easier methods for generating really long portions of the sequence, since it doesn't need to remember what has already been generated. Write down the binary expansions of the natural numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, ... Now for each number write down a 0 if there is an even number of "1"s in the binary expansion, and a 1 if there is an odd number. It's an eerie sequence to listen to (high note for 0, low note for 1, perhaps) and strangely difficult to type... 0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110 1001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001 1001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001 0110011010010110100110010110... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 06 Feb 1999 14:54:23 EST Mr. Decker admonished me for not submitting pars based on his last formula after I complimented him on it. So blame him for these pictures, not me. frm:billsfm4 { z = p1, temp = pixel : z = fn1(temp^p2) IF (5 < z) temp = fn2(temp) ELSE temp = fn3(z) ENDIF z < 100 } Des01 { ; Bill Rossi ; Based on a William Decker frm ; Modified Linda Allison color map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=ident/ident/log center-mag=4.68e-006/0.00292203/1.644749/1.3258 params=1/1/4/0 float=y potential=256/200/0 colors=0001JG1KE1SN<7>4zp<29>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<15>000500500<26>i\ B3<8>xeKziMyfL<7>kF5iB3fA3<8>911500000<12>000000011021032mI7143iB3165<9>\ ziM3B9<15>000<5>3CA4FC5JF<10>Fte<14>155012000<15>4zn<2>4pe4lb4h_3dX3`U<8\ >022<2>0FC } Des02 { ; Bill Rossi ; Based on a William Decker frm reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=exp/cosh/sqrt center-mag=-5.36e-007/-0.852673/2.380953 params=1/1/4/0 float=y potential=256/200/0 colors=000dGK<13>CmQ<26>r91<12>qBRqBTrDS<34>zsPztPxrO<37>312<4>947A58A58\ <11>MCJNCKNEK<14>GoU<13>SdXTcXUbYVaZ<10>hPbmjh<36>iObrnH<19>rFS } Des03 { ; Bill Rossi ; Based on a William Decker frm reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=cosh/cosxx/atanh passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=1/1/4/0 float=y potential=256/200/0 colors=000zzzQ_l<18>8CQs0G<8>S08nTs<16>R9Veof<7>LQMpgX<7>wUO<7>UFCmkN<18\ >RJ3yN9<10>PA4s0G<15>L69xy2<24>UR8gYi<23>L69abl<17>FARD9QC7PA5N_tS<15>HM\ Ktw3<10>fd5s0G<6>S8BpKw<5>WFZSEVODRKCMKzz<6>A5Nzzzzzzzzz } Des04 { ; Bill Rossi ; Based on a William Decker frm reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=recip/exp/abs center-mag=+1.11260997067448700/+1.04687092568448500/77.51938 params=1/1/4/4 float=y potential=255/200/0 colors=000uou<26>cWvnjaaZHyqu<11>h4myrr<16>T24pkp<2>MI_zuu<33>nr_sZmkBdA\ 2zkuSrojii_mic_XMMK3ytt<31>O6Drul<3>Kv9zts<11>zgWzeTxuu<21>2dorhkjV`aHQz\ ut<40>P9dO7cO8c<9>IIgVbU<4>NYNzuu<6>upu } Bill Rossi http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 06 Feb 1999 21:54:39 -0500 > Mr. Decker admonished me for not submitting pars based on his last formula > after I complimented him on it. So blame him for these pictures, not me. [snip] > Bill Rossi Blame is not warranted. I find these images to be complimentary to what I posted. I'm always surprised by what others find in the formulas I post. I write a formula and then I wander around it trying to see its possibilities. After banging away at it for what seems an eternity, I feel like I've exhausted it. A fresh view is always startling. That is why I asked for Bill's post. Good, new perspective. I like the images. Just to let you see where I've explored in this formula, here are images I created on this theme last year. flowerbed { ; (c) Bill Decker Aug 03, 1998 t= 0:02:09.40 ; on P100 1024x768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=cos/atan/abs center-mag=0.584848/-0.377847/14.09517/1/-162.5 params=5/5/-1/-5 float=y potential=255/100/0 colors=800AQNBRP<11>3GA3F93F9<21>144143133132122121111000<41>u00w00v00<3\ 7>200000020050<11>los<13>SNCQL9PK8QK6<14>xn_<13>TN9RL7PJ7PK8<14>nru<14>0\ 50130200<2>011011021031<3>0630630730830940940A4<3>1D71E82FA<9>9PM } deathwords2 { ; (c) Bill Decker Aug 08, 1998 t= 0:00:52.45 ; on P150 800x600 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4 function=cos/atan/abs passes=b center-mag=0.567271/-0.421102/13.34454/1/-157.499 params=5/5/-1/-5 float=y fillcolor=200 potential=255/100/0 colors=000Q00<13>k00m00m10<29>yk0zm0zm1<30>zzz<44>zz5zz3zz2zz0zy0<43>z50\ z30z20z00y00<59>200000000000<14>O00 } frm:billsfm4 { z = p1, temp = pixel : z = fn1(temp^p2) IF (5 < z) temp = fn2(temp) ELSE temp = fn3(z) ENDIF z < 100 } Bill Decker Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 06 Feb 1999 22:01:25 -0500 At 09:54 PM 2/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >flowerbed { ; (c) Bill Decker Aug 03, 1998 t= 0:02:09.40 > ; on P100 1024x768 [deletia] >deathwords2 { ; (c) Bill Decker Aug 08, 1998 t= 0:00:52.45 > ; on P150 800x600 [deletia] Hey. Where did you get those 50 shiny new megahertz, and do you know where I can get a few cheap? :-) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Birdsinger@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 07 Feb 1999 14:46:16 EST Here is a Valentine's Day variation of the Des01 par posted by Bill Rossi, formula by William Decker and color map by Linda Allison: valen1 { ; Birdie ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm ; Modified Linda Allison color map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=valen.par formulaname=billsfv4 function=ident/ident/log center-mag=0.0391379/-0.00708526/0.5980878/1.2096 params=6/0 float=y potential=256/200/0 colors=mob255244333222<2>414515717<2>B0DC0FC0H<3>G0PH0RH0SH0U<12>M0oN0qN\ 0q<11>VAuVBvWBu<13>qLZsMXsNX<2>rQWrSVrTVrVUrWU<4>rcVrdVqfWqgX<6>qqjpslps\ k<2>orgoqfnqempdlob<12>SgdQfePed<5>L`_K_ZJYX<7>8JJ7IH6GF5FE4DD3CB2AA<3>3\ 66356245234235236<3>22D31F42H42J53M64P<14>Q3qS2sT2uU1vV1xX0z<13>RQzQSzQS\ z<13>aaqbbpddr<3>llz<4>gZqeWoeVn<13>W8YV6WU6V<14>F0FE0ED0DC0CB1B<4>626 } frm:billsfv4 { temp = pixel : z = fn1(temp^p1) IF (5 < z) temp = fn2(temp) ELSE temp = fn3(z) ENDIF z < 100 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 08 Feb 1999 21:25:02 -0500 > Hey. Where did you get those 50 shiny new megahertz, and do you know where > I can get a few cheap? :-) I work on two machines and since the image size and speed have impact on time to complete, I try to keep my comments consistent with that fact. The 150 MHz PC is a laptop. I had some concerns about buying a laptop for fractaling, especially because that was going to be its primary purpose. Since then I have discovered that the search for fractal images is mightily enhanced when it is performed in a lazy-boy recliner with an adult beverage in easy reach. (Something I would find hard to do with a desktop model.) Bill Decker Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "narada" Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars Date: 09 Feb 1999 21:26:39 +1100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE5472.E1907BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. Im new to the list. Hope you like these... 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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BE5472.E1907BE0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Kiely" Subject: (fractint) 10 PARS and a FRM Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:13:40 +1030 Hi all, I found the following whilst starting to play with my first formulas. My first real attempt was so simple the results surprised me. Someone with better maths might be able to explain the presence of the 'julia like' zooms b, e and h into the points that are just visible in the 'bulbs' in the 'a' mandelbrot image. I have never seen the two together before. Wayne frm:WK990208 { z=c=pixel: z = z * z + pixel, if (fn1(|z|) < .05) z = z * 100 endif |z| < 4 } wk990208a { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:09:30.84 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.500083/1.0105e-005/0.6666712 maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208b { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:10.27 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.99998450250000000/+0.00000390410000000/47.60351/1.0008 maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208c { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:20.22 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-1.31043175000000000/+0.00001791119500000/121.1846/0.9997 maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208d { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:20.76 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-1.75487840968424400/-0.00000017833685776/120716.4 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208e { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:19.56 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.12258783000000000/+0.74487781550000000/116.3501/1.0023 maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208f { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:01:18.98 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.12255853400000000/+0.74486988749999990/10936.91/0.9997 maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208g { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:04:46.10 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs passes=t center-mag=-0.12278743933445910/+0.74488480237201430/6.701785e+012 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208h { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:42.67 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.12278642759328280/+0.74488567242585060/7.352441e+008 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208i { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:01:01.31 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.12278642760099750/+0.74488567239098110/5.523178e+010 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } wk990208j { ; W Kiely ; Feb 08, 1999 ; t= 0:00:52.90 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=wk990208 function=abs center-mag=-0.12278642760054370/+0.74488567239143520/1.287913e+010 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag outside=real colors=z00n00<23>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<76>xxxyyyzzzzzzyyyxxx<\ 74>000JJfJJfx00<3>p00 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "AA" Subject: RE: (fractint) Binary code fractals Date: 09 Feb 1999 13:53:38 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Morgan L. Owens > Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 7:04 PM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) Binary code fractals > > > At 01:38 05/02/99 EST, PKyleCA wrote: > >In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, > pderbysh@usa.net > >writes: > > > > > > >01000110011101010110001101101011 >> > > > >perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals > with computers- > >exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths > were observed)... > > > The Morse-Thue sequence could well be looked at as a fractal bit sequence > (in the same way that Pascal's triangle mod 2 can be seen as corresponding > to Sierpinski's Gasket). It is certainly self-similar: for a start, just > taking every _second_ bit in the sequence yields the original sequence. > > There are at least three ways of generating it (these come from the > ever-enthralling Clifford Pickover's book "Mazes for the Mind") > > The first can be implemented as a L-system. Starting with a 0, we take the > sequence we have up to now (to start with, "0") and replace each 0 with 01 > and each 1 with 10. > > For the second method we again start with 0. For each step, take the > sequence we have up to now, copy it with all its bits flipped (writing "1" > for "0" and vice versa), and append it to the original. > > The third is probably one of the easier methods for generating really long > portions of the sequence, since it doesn't need to remember what has > already been generated. > Write down the binary expansions of the natural numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, ... > Now for each number write down a 0 if there is an even number of "1"s in > the binary expansion, and a 1 if there is an odd number. > > It's an eerie sequence to listen to (high note for 0, low note for 1, > perhaps) and strangely difficult to type... > 0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110 > 1001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001 > 1001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001 > 0110011010010110100110010110... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > The Morse-Thue sequence is the parity of the sum of the digits of the binary representation of the numbers 0, 1, 2, ... If we substitute 1 for the 0's and -1 for the 1's in M-T then we get the sequence 1 -1 -1 1 -1 1 1 -1 -1 1 1 -1 1 -1 -1 1 ... which are the coefficients of the infinite series generated by (1-x)*(1-x^2)*(1-x^4)*(1-x^8)... Years ago, I created the notation 2-Prod f(x) = f(x)*f(x^2)*f(x^4)... or more generally n-Prod f(x,y) = f(x,y)*f(x^n,y^n)*f(x^(n^2),y^(n^2))*f(x^(n^3),y^(n^3))... It turns out that this is the generating function for the Integer-Lattice Scaling Fractal (ILSF)generated by the set of points corresponding to f(x,y). Thus, 2-Prod (1-x) generates the revised M-T and 2-Prod (1+x+y) generates a serpinski triangle as does 2-Prod (1+xy+x^2). I have written some code for generating these types of ILSF's and its principles could be included in fractint, but... it emphasizes number-theoretic and combinatorial qualities rather than the analytic qualities of most fractint fractals. One of my entries in the last contest was generated by this code. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "narada" Subject: (fractint) Resend of above in plain text Date: 10 Feb 1999 13:21:40 +1100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BE54F8.4B577D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. 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------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BE54F8.4B577D00-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: (fractint) Tim's error Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:40:03 +0100 Hi, where can I find the *.frm from the "Tim's error" formula (for the Formula Parser, type=formula)? thanks for helping me. cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Systems Theory Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:58:11 GMT I read a book the other day called "Systems Theory, Systems Practice" (now, was it by Peter Checkland or was it Steve Skidmore... I can't rememver...). It talks a lot about "the Science of Systems", which is a "Science of the consiquences of Wholeness". The basic premise behind this is that "the Whole is greater then the sum of its parts", because "the Whole represents a highter (more constrianed) level of organisation then the one below, having imergant properties that were not present below". By way of example, the book talks about the other sciences (Systems Theory itself is a "meta-science"?!?): "All of Chemistry can be decomposed into Physics, but there are properties of Chemistry that do not appear as a consiquence of Physics, which is what makes the subject worthy of study in its own right. Simularly, Bioligy could be decomposed into Chemistry, but of all the possible arrangements of chemicals possible, only a limited subset appear in Bioligy. This represents a higher level of organisation, which does not appear and does not make sense at any lower level(s)." Is it just me, or does someone else here echos of Fractal Geometry in here? What would Mr. B. B. Mandelbrot have to say about that lot? Please note that these are not EXACT quotes. I'll have a look in the library and post some actual quotes (and an ISBN and author name) tomorrow or sometime like that. Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Facon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C) Date: 11 Feb 1999 07:39:23 -0500 (EST) I started the par for this one, and saved it, but when I restore it the rest of the screen generates a blank. It generated fine in a view-window using boundary tracing, though. Any ideas, help, offers to point out how I've stupidly missed something obvious? I'm running in DOS, on a 486/33, at 1024x768. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) updated web site Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:27:35 -0500 I have added two new pages of Ultra Fractal images to my Geocities web site. I hope you enjoy your visit. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 11, 1999 - two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Camp" Subject: (fractint) website remake and update Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:09:22 -0800 I've updated my entire site in order to get it ready for a move this weekend to my own domain. I have also added 6 new fractals to my galleries. This will be the last opportunity to visit it before we go offline for a week or so to complete the move. Tell me what you think about the new layout. Thanks. Jon Camp chaotic n-space network main page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/index.html fractals page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/html/fractals.html philosophy page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/html/philosophy.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) website remake and update Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:58:18 -0500 At 10:09 AM 2/11/1999 -0800, you wrote: > Tell me what you think about the new layout. >Thanks. I think it's a super layout, wonderful color coordination, and overall one of the best sites I've seen in a long time. Thanks for sharing. Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally " Flying Frog Boomerangs" http://members.tripod.com/~afractal " Flying Frogs Fractals" http://www.netpath.net/~conally "Paradise" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Polley Subject: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 06:12:02 +1000 Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got used to recieving 20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only getting one or two messages a day. Whats up? -- James Polley | :-j <>< 'For God has not given 07 5595 4643 | us a spirit of fear, but of C/- Student Residences | power, and of love, and of a Bond University, 4229 | sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Barnett" Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:35:42 -0500 Some of the traffic has move to the UltraFractal list > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of James Polley > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:12 PM > To: Fractint List > Subject: (fractint) What's up with the list? > > > Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got > used to recieving > 20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only > getting one or two > messages a day. Whats up? > > -- > James Polley | :-j <>< 'For God has not given > 07 5595 4643 | us a spirit of fear, but of > C/- Student Residences | power, and of love, and of a > Bond University, 4229 | sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C) Date: 11 Feb 1999 17:20:21 -0500 Hi Mike, >> I started the par for this one, and saved it, but when I restore it th= e >> rest of the screen generates a blank. It generated fine in a >> view-window using boundary tracing, though. Any ideas, help, offers t= o >> point out how I've stupidly missed something obvious? You probably have two different versions of the formula. The formula J= im posted with his par is: frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1, l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dfn1(pixel): z=3Dk*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } so, when you start the par in Fractint, Fractint uses the formula that = is in the par file. If you restore the image, Fractint will find this one i= n _m.frm: MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth c=3Dpixel, a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j: z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c, |z| <=3D 100 ;SOURCE: pink.par } Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:38:45 -0600 Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only compile the developer version these days.) I received the following message: Hello! I have downloaded Xfractint for Linux, but when I try to compile it I get several error messages (see below). I am using Red Hat Linux 5.2 (Apollo) runnning on Cyrix 686. I have tried to adjust the source according to the guidelines for Linux/Apollo, which are included in the "makefile", but without success. I would be much obliged for any suggestions and help. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Andrej Lajovic Error messages: unixscr.c: In function `UnixInit': unixscr.c:244: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function) unixscr.c:244: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once unixscr.c:244: for each function it appears in.) unixscr.c:244: parse error before `goodbye' unixscr.c: In function `shell_to_dos': unixscr.c:2071: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function) unixscr.c:2071: parse error before `sigint' unixscr.c:2076: `sigint' undeclared (first use this function) unixscr.c:2076: parse error before `signal' unixscr.c:2124: parse error before `sigint' unixscr.c: In function `schedulealarm': unixscr.c:2149: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function) unixscr.c:2149: parse error before `setredrawscreen' make: *** [unixscr.o] Error 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:41:49 -0800 That happens every now and then, James. I've never figured out why, either, but rest assured, traffic will pick up eventually, and spontaneously. It may be because the shareware version of Ultrafractal was just released, and everyone is enamored of it and otherwise occupied! When the newness wears off a little, people will start using all of their programs again and traffic will increase. (Ultrafractal and Fractint are a perfect marriage, in my opinion. I generate a lot of my images in Fractint, then convert them to Ultrafractal for layering. I doubt that Fractint will ever lose it's audience permanently!) Linda -----Original Message----- >Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got used to recieving >20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only getting one or two >messages a day. Whats up? > >-- >James Polley | :-j <>< 'For God has not given >07 5595 4643 | us a spirit of fear, but of >C/- Student Residences | power, and of love, and of a >Bond University, 4229 | sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7 > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:13:33 -0500 (EST) > > Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I > use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only > compile the developer version these days.) > I'll try and test it over the weekend. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zina Costiner" Subject: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:25:26 -0500 Hi fractal-friends, I have a student to prepare for the Science Fair on fractals. The guy is in the 7th grade. Could anyone help me with any ideas or simple source code, please. I would appreciate very much any suggestions. Warm regards, Zina Costiner E-mail: zinacostiner@worldnet.att.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Koppens,Ton" Subject: (fractint) PAR & FRM Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Some pars for you to enjoy. Have a nice weekend all. Ton =============================================================================== 98091810 { ; CalcTime 0:01:11.85 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Sep 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=cosh passes=3 center-mag=-0.250313/0.651085/2.73224 params=1/0.5/1/1.5/2.5/1.5 float=y logmap=old potential=25/45/25 biomorph=0 colors=0008jo<29>1lrDin<28>iRSCin<38>4ZkCin<56>e6MDem<6>M7bCim<39>fb5Cin\ <15>MYgEinNYg<19>ZJZAin<6>8jo } 98092103 { ; CalcTime 0:00:15.05 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 21 Sep 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=sin center-mag=+1.12944802776051500/+0.06976800198533709/58.36455/1.2065 params=1/1/1/1/2/3 float=y potential=20/45/18 colors=000MWWITT_ys9xkxzo<3>py4wvs<7>WR0zuw<8>zBPwtv<3>iUdxux<8>c9evwx<1\ 3>2IVxxv<9>_ZBktxsrnXmvIgt2`q<5>X2_<6>RP8QT4RT6<12>e_d<7>GKd<6>kyi<11>7y\ z<3>tZm<6>ZpmVslQsf<4>0tA<10>9Ry<8>ojo<14>tNS<6>_0I<8>ASH7WG7YG<10>EuI<5\ >nIX<9>VJpSKrROr<4>Mgq<8>87Jghgwxx<9>PZZ } 98092124 { ; 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uses 1star2.map by Kathy Roth ; CalcTime 0:04:14.26 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 10 Nov 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_s.frm formulaname=starFlexBalls_Mand function=atanh passes=t center-mag=-1.11022e-016/8.32667e-017/3.875969 params=2.5/0.5/0.01/0.05 float=y bailout=55 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000KSQajQ<27>AG6zqCzqCspIzqC<19>qFApD9pD9<2>pD9wcB<7>qGApD9oC9<2>\ l68f87`A7QE6wxz<24>nFPmDNouy<26>JfuHetHdr<4>FalF`kE_iEZhEYf<8>BUWBUVBUUB\ TTASRASR<37>4AA4CCC`V<8>AVQAUP9TP9SO9SN9RN<13>5GE8JD8ICCJ7<21>7D57C57C57\ B57B56A4EM8 } 98111006 { ; uses found_object2.map by Kathy Roth ; CalcTime 0:06:24.24 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 10 Nov 1998 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_s.frm formulaname=starFlexBalls_Mand function=atanh passes=t center-mag=-1.18780475594493100/+0.11247112466241700/46.04221/2.1293 params=2.5/0.5/0.01/0.05 float=y bailout=55 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=xn_VX_<4>los<13>SNCQL9QL9QL8QK7<24>tjWukXvlYxn_xn_xn_<29>RL7QK6QK\ 7QL9<2>UQHVSKXUO<9>los<9>788<3>222000001<10>21D22E22F23G23I<7>37R37S48U5\ 8W<4>7Cd8De8De<27>SYvSZvT_wT_wSZv<27>BGfAFe9Ed8Dc7Cb<10>24K23J12H01F<8>0\ 19018017016016015014003001001<7>STW cyclerange=0/255 } 98122009 { ; 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CalcTime 0:00:07.04 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 18 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=barnsleym3 center-mag=0.8799/-0.0318387/1.673352/1.3299 params=-1/0.5 float=y maxiter=647 bailoutest=manr outside=atan colors=00001A<7>058167167277286<8>AG4BH4DI4<17>bX0cY0eZ0fZ0g_0i_0<7>rb0s\ b0sb0<2>vb0va0wa0wa0wa0<6>xZ1xY1wX1wX1<7>rQ2qP3oO3<5>hJ4gI5fH5dG5cF5aE6<\ 9>N69M59K49J4AI3AG3A<5>90C80D70D60D50E<3>20F10F10G10G<5>03I03I04J05J15J1\ 6J<4>4AL5BL6CL7DM8DM9EM<4>FJNGKOHLOJMOKNOLOP<9>_WQaXQbYQdYQeZRgZR<4>maRn\ aRoaRpaRqbR<3>ubRubRvbRvaRwaR<8>xYQxYQwXQ<5>tSPsROrROqQOpPO<6>hIMfHMeGMc\ FLbEL<7>R7JP7IO6IN5I<4>F2GE2GD1GC1FB1F<3>60E50D50D<2>20C20C10B10B01B } 99013101 { ; uses migold.map ; CalcTime 0:00:55.15 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder function=tanh center-mag=+1.43604505632040000/-0.03831385642737881/124.1399/1.6782/0/-\ 10.795 params=0.188615286/1/0.9897812/2/11/3 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=0If0If000<7>eWJ<23>111<46>pdOrePreP<62>511511621<60>qdOrePqdO<22>\ SD4QB3RC4<14>B53942942942842 } 99013102 { ; CalcTime 0:02:16.10 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder function=tanh center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.5/2/0.2/1/20/40 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=XBBYKK<4>WKLnYYWKL<5>ULMjVWULN<3>SMOSMOTNOhUVVOP<5>`RSfSTbST<5>hV\ VdRRjWW<5>pZZaPPr__<3>vaat``sZ_dQOqXX<5>iQQ_KIgNO<5>`GHcMIYEF<5>R78gPIQ5\ 6<5>XB8kRIZD9<5>eJCoUIgKD<5>nQFsWIpSG<6>xZJz_KyYJ<12>j93i72i73i84i95<14>\ K9CI9DH8C<3>D38<12>oZl<5>oampbmpcmpdnpdn<18>uruvsuvtvwuvwuw<4>zzzZBB`CBc\ DBWDFjFC<5>hFDbIJhGD<5>fGEiNNeGF<5>dHGqSRcHG<5>bIHsXWaIH<5>`JIvaa_JJ<5>Y\ JKr__YKK } 99013103 { ; CalcTime 0:00:47.79 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder function=tanh center-mag=-3.33067e-016/2.22045e-016/2.73224 params=0.5/2/0.2/1/20/40 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=JENW8H<31>yxxzzzzyy<34>ZIJYGHYHH<21>nia<14>H78E45E34F23<5>C44B55A\ 55966966<44>mX5<11>ID8FC9CA998AA9C<13>OMTQNVPMU<5>LGOKFOJDM<8>B4DA3CB4D<\ 10>VFOXGP_HRbHSeIUdKTcKTbLS<6>f6Og3Nf3N<6>X4GV5FV5FV6G } 99013104 { ; uses migold.map ; CalcTime 0:01:47.37 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:Ton_Koppens.RXNL@eur.xerox.com reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_xy-trade6 function=tanh/sqr/sinh center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=1/0.5/1/0.5/10/20 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=0If0If000<7>eWJ<23>111<46>pdOrePreP<62>511511621<60>qdOrePqdO<22>\ SD4QB3RC4<14>B53942942942842 } FRM:bills_diff_delt1 { ; Apr-13-98 ; p1 = offset for y var ; real p2 = base real exponent ; imag p2 = base imag exponent ; real p3 = exponent real delta ; imag p3 = exponent imag delta ; c = x = pixel, y = pixel + p1 splus = real(p2) + real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) + imag(p3)) sminus = real(p2) - real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) - imag(p3)): xtemp = x^splus +c x = fn1(xtemp) ytemp = y^sminus +c y = fn1(ytemp) d = |x-y| z = d^2 |z| < 2 ;SOURCE: 180998.frm } FRM:starFlexBalls_Mand {;adapted from Paul Carlson by Kathy Roth ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; p1 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p2 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p1) ; c=log(sqr(sqr(pixel))*pixel)*0.2 w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p1 + p2 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p1 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p1 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p1 * p1 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w2=fn1(w)+c w=c*(1-w2*w2)/(1+w2*w2) ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p1) < p2) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1000 ;SOURCE: 281098.frm } FRM:bills_wonder { z = 1/pixel, a = real(p1), b = imag(p1): ztemp = z^a - z^b z = (fn1(ztemp)^p2)/z |z| < real(p3) ;SOURCE: 061098.frm } FRM:bills_xy-trade6 { a = real(p1), b = imag(p1) c = real(p2), d = imag(p2) e = real(p3), f = imag(p3) z = pixel+c/pixel zold = pixel^e: x = (real(z)-real(zold))^a y = (imag(z)-imag(zold))^b zold = fn3(z) z = (y +flip(x)) z = ( (fn1(z)) - (fn2(zold)) )^d |z| < f ;SOURCE: 281098.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 14:25:11 +0100 I hope so. I joined april 98, in the middle of a text editor war :) Lesse... there were Kragen (still think it's too bad he left), Peter Gavin, Paul Carlson, Steve 'SKarl52884', Paul Derbyshire, Jiho Kim, Linda Allison, Jon Camp, 'davides', Christian Strik :), Paul N. Lee, Wizzle (where's she been??), .... There have been days we had over 60 messages.... now it takes about 60 days to receive one message :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >That happens every now and then, James. I've never figured out why, >either, but rest assured, traffic will pick up eventually, and >spontaneously. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 12 Feb 1999 14:18:26 +0100 Me too. -----Original Message----- > >> >> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I >> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only >> compile the developer version these days.) >> > >I'll try and test it over the weekend. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C) Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:45:45 -0500 Friends, Sylvie Gallet correctly pointed out yesterday that there are two formulas= in circulation with the name mandelbrotmix4. I have renamed the earlier o= ne "mandelbrotmix4_v1", and am leaving the later version (the one which Jim = is currently using in FOTD postings) with the name mandelbrotmix4. I am editing the orgform compilation accordingly. To stay in sync with me, tho= se who are following along should delete the current mandelbrotmix4 from _m.frm and add these two: MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1 l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dfn1(pixel): z=3Dk*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c |z| < l } MandelbrotMix4_v1 {; Jim Muth c=3Dpixel, a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2) g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j: z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c |z| <=3D 100 } Regards, George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Prickett" Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:09:24 -0800 >I have a student to prepare for the Science Fair on fractals. >The guy is in the 7th grade. > >Could anyone help me with any ideas or simple source code, please. >I would appreciate very much any suggestions. You might take a look at my webpage "The Programmer's Lair". The entire site is dedicated to source code for fractals, chaos, other eye candy. Goto http://geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943 or http://i.am.fractals Jim Prickett jprickett@satcom.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Hammer Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:02:02 -0600 >>> >>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I >>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only >>> compile the developer version these days.) >>> >> Hi, Im new to the list but have used and enjoyed Fractint for quite a while. I tried to compile Xfractint on a Redhat 5.2 system and encountered a number of errors. I dont remember what they were now as it was several weeks ago. As I remember it was the compiler complaining of missing modules when compiling general.o If I remember correctly the module it complained about was bstring.h. I downloaded the source from: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html I opted for a rpm install of Xfractint I found on an ftp site. This installed OK but I havnt been able to get it to to run. I get an error stating: "Error opening terminal: xterm." Anybody have any suggestions? TTYL! Mike Hammer mhammer@misslink.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:56:05 -0500 At 04:02 PM 2/12/99 -0600, you wrote: [Another person comes forward with the announcement that xfract won't compile on Red Hat 5.2] I think the problem is probably some sort of X related thing. Linux itself has little code base forking, but the various free X implementations have forked a great deal and aren't all that intercompatible so I hear. The other thing is "standard" libraries. Libc, libm, and iostreams usually are compatible across Linuxes and among particular variants, but the various C++ libraries other than iostreams seem to vary a huge amount, largely because the standard has only recently been decided. The SGI STL implementation is now pretty much standard, but some programs exist that were written using older C++ libraries of varying degrees of compatibility. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:23:54 -0600 Dean-Christian Strik wrote some stuff to which I now reply: > Most of us are still here, although Wizzle has become a railfan and has deserted us for rides on the iron horse. She'll be back when she regains her senses. :-) You'be been made aware of the Ultra Fractal software, which is being tested and tested and tested by the lot of us, including moi, on another mailing list. You can pick it up at http://www.ultrafactal.com although it's now in the shareware stage and being sold for 35 USD. It's a nice program. But don't worry, I'm sure everyone will come back here en masse once Master Tim announces the release of FractInt V. 20. Then someone will be wondering on the other mailing list were everyone disappeared to. You might say that's PAR for the course! Groan. Sorry, couldn't help using the pun. I'm outta here. Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: Two versions of same formula Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:02:56 -0500 (EST) At 10:45 AM 2/12/99 -0500, George Martin wrote: >. . . there are two formulas in circulation with the name >mandelbrotmix4. I have renamed the earlier one >"mandelbrotmix4_v1", and am leaving the later version (the one >which Jim is currently using in FOTD postings) with the name >mandelbrotmix4. . . . I did it again. This is about the third time this had happened. I'm as sorry as presid... (I'd better not mention it.) I try not to let any duplicated formulas get through, but now and then one slips by. It happens because I often post FOTD's created with formulas that are still in the development stage. In this case, I had no idea that I had ever posted a par file that used the old version. Thanks again to George for keeping my disorganized jumble of formulas in at least a modicum of order. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:05:47 +0100 Hm. I seem to have an older copy of the xfractint source, and not even the official distribution :( I'll give it a try anyway. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >Me too. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ian Kaplan >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Date: vrijdag 12 februari 1999 01 20 Fluxen >Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? > > >> >>> >>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I >>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only >>> compile the developer version these days.) >>> >> >>I'll try and test it over the weekend. >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >>Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" >> > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:09:37 +0100 My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains the binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be found. -- PS. Never use RPMs. Not on non-RedHat systems, and not even on RedHat... -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I >>>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only >>>> compile the developer version these days.) >>>> >>> > >Hi, >Im new to the list but have used and enjoyed >Fractint for quite a while. > >I tried to compile Xfractint on a Redhat 5.2 system >and encountered a number of errors. I dont remember >what they were now as it was several weeks ago. As I remember >it was the compiler complaining of missing modules when >compiling general.o If I remember correctly the module it >complained about was bstring.h. > >I downloaded the source from: >http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html > >I opted for a rpm install of Xfractint I found on an ftp site. >This installed OK but I havnt been able to get it to to run. > >I get an error stating: > >"Error opening terminal: xterm." > >Anybody have any suggestions? > >TTYL! > >Mike Hammer >mhammer@misslink.net > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:07:21 +0100 >http://i.am.fractals Huh? Seems like a ridiculous url to me... anyway, I tested it, but hey, it doesn't work (not really surprising). -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:02:50 -0500 At 01:07 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >>http://i.am.fractals > > >Huh? Seems like a ridiculous url to me... anyway, I tested it, but hey, it >doesn't work (not really surprising). It should be http://i.am/fractals >Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the >microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can >tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:03:56 -0500 At 01:09 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains the >binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be >found. Well...get ncurses.so. It's a linux equivalent of a DLL. You know what to do about missing DLL problems right? :-) >PS. Never use RPMs. Not on non-RedHat systems, and not even on RedHat... Why? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:58:24 -0500 Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open source. :P -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:11:44 -0800 (PST) > > Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open > source. :P Why? Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software should follow suit. UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and comments of the beta testers. That isn't to say that Fractint doesn't have its advandages over UF. They are both outstanding tools to create images with. IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee. I think Frederik is well within his rights to make it shareware. Even if it were freeware, I don't see that he should be obligated to share the source. Of course, YMMV. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) further web site update Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:21:58 -0500 I have done some further work on my Geocities web site. There is a second page of Chebyshev images, and the Classic Curves page has been completely updated with new images. Both of these pages contain Ultra Fractal images. I hope you enjoy your visit. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 12, 1999 - two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) Bob, Folk will probably be using fractint's evolver to come up with stuff they'll tart up in UF (which is an awfully nice bit o' software). > >Dean-Christian Strik wrote some stuff to which I now reply: >> >Most of us are still here, although Wizzle has become a railfan and has >deserted us for rides on the iron horse. She'll be back when she regains her >senses. :-) > >You'be been made aware of the Ultra Fractal software, which is being tested and >tested and tested by the lot of us, including moi, on another mailing list. You >can pick it up at http://www.ultrafactal.com although it's now in the shareware >stage and being sold for 35 USD. It's a nice program. But don't worry, I'm sure >everyone will come back here en masse once Master Tim announces the release of >FractInt V. 20. Then someone will be wondering on the other mailing list were >everyone disappeared to. You might say that's PAR for the course! Groan. Sorry, >couldn't help using the pun. > >I'm outta here. > >Bob > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul DeCelle Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:20:24 -0500 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open > source. :P Why should ALL software be free? As far as I'm concerned, that's up to the author(s) who've made the effort to develop it for the rest of us to use. Don't get me wrong - Fractint is an outstanding program, and you can't beat the price (free!). On the other hand, the $35 US for Ultra Fractal is a (IMHO) real value when one takes into account it's additional features and capabilities. I'll continue to use both, but that's my personal choice - Factint for coming up with inspirations and UF for refinements... BTW, my small (so far!) UF site at http://pages.prodigy.net/pauldc/ufintro.html shows a hint of what can be done with combining Fractint formulas and UF features. Regards, Paul DeCelle Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:04:10 -0500 At 07:11 PM 2/12/99 -0800, you wrote: >Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code >open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software >should follow suit. UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done >a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and >comments of the beta testers... ...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger. Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a computer. As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than amortized cost of development plus distribution cost. Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get it quickly and conveniently. Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates the constitution of nearly all decent free countries. Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite (that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and haven't been bankrupt). Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism. Been bankrupt? A world of downloadable $$$-ware is beyond your grasp, even if you have the physical cash. Student? Unemployed? Still a minor? Forget it. You'll just have to stick to the expensive, overpriced software in the local computer retail which is available to people via ready cash. A victim of identity theft and credit fraud? Stick to nonags.com...forget about Paint Shop Pro, Ultra Fractal, and Adobe Acrobat. Unexpectedly laid off? The door to a lot of software just slammed shut. It almost makes you want to try those $$$GET GOOD CREDIT INSTANTLY!!!$$$ schemes just on the off chance they won't land you in prison. Or sneak off with your father's credit card... Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce. We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a bank account, you can buy online. And until that system is imposed, at the very least, it should all be free. >IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee. It is not fair though that there are people who physically have the $35 and still can't get it! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:46:28 -0500 (EST) Paul Derbyshire writes: >...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone >who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger. >Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless >of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a >computer. Hmmmm, I'm sure anyone could use your computer. Shall I send them over to play with it? >As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily >and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than >amortized cost of development plus distribution cost. It would be my guess the Frederik will not get enough money off UF to pay him at a rate commensurate with the skill used for the time he will have spent on the program. Only he (and perhaps the revenuers in the Netherlands) will know, as folk are oddly cagy about what they make (that kind of secrecy usually helps the folk buying labour, not selling it). >Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible >to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get >it quickly and conveniently. Well, one could always e-mail and ask if something like a postal money order would be acceptable. I did, for UF, and they are. >Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates >the constitution of nearly all decent free countries. That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references is due to inadvertance. >Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required >people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical >information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it >was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making >some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite >(that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and >haven't been bankrupt). You need to learn that court decisions only stand for what they decide. The court did not decide that the owner of a site could not charge for access and refuse to take any form of payment but credit card. It ruled that site owners could not be required by law to require credit card info up front before showing anything. Two very different things. >Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism. By all means, take the bull by the horns and produce free software for others to use and so squeeze out those who would sell it. There actually is a group of folk doing just that. Putting their efforts where their metaphorical mouth is. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:57:40 -0500 At 01:46 AM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Well, one could always e-mail and ask if something like a postal money >order would be acceptable. I did, for UF, and they are. I seem to recall mentioning something about "quickly, conveniently, and easily"... messing with snail mail, paying extra for stamps and envelopes, and waiting for however long the snail mail takes (if it gets there at all!) doesn't strike me as "quickly, conveniently, and easily". I think if a person has the right to something (because, for instance, they have the money) then they have the right to obtain it as quickly, conveniently, and easily as everyone else. >That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references >is due to inadvertance. Lack of references? I cited in detail a recent event where a court struck down a law that would have made something available only to the People With Credit. >By all means, take the bull by the horns and produce free software for >others to use and so squeeze out those who would sell it. There actually >is a group of folk doing just that. Putting their efforts where their >metaphorical mouth is. I plan to. :-) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:30:35 -0800 Paul, if you want software free, the answer is simple. Write your own programs. No one needs to feel entitled to other's work when they can do their own. If you don't know how to program, there are books at the library to get you started. M :) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAN Subject: (fractint) Bifurcations Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:48:05 +0100 Hi, I wrote before but am not sure that the purpose of my query was clear. I want to do bifurcations with Fractint, inserting specific values in place of the ones given for growth factor, population, etc. If is possible and someone can tell me how to do it, I would be grateful. joan duran Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAN Subject: (fractint) Bifurcations Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:48:05 +0100 Hi, I wrote before but am not sure that the purpose of my query was clear. I want to do bifurcations with Fractint, inserting specific values in place of the ones given for growth factor, population, etc. If is possible and someone can tell me how to do it, I would be grateful. joan duran Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:55:23 -0600 Paul, - Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open - source. :P You and I have covered this in private e-mail before. For some reason you labor under the impression that you, simple by virtue of your existence, are *entitled* to help yourself to the work of everyone else, for free. You can pay for Ultra Fractal (and most other shareware!) by sending a check or money order to the author. How DARE you whine that it's "too much trouble" to mess with stamps and writing a check! Do you think the world is here to coddle you? Do you whine that your groceries must be delivered to your door, because it's too much trouble for you to go to the supermarket to pick them up? It's time you shed this infantile attitude that you can help yourself to everything in the world. Frederik took the opportunity to develop a fine piece of software. If he wants to charge for his labors, he is entitled to do so. Plain and simple. When you do the work, you can decide whether to give it away or sell it, but don't even THINK about presuming to dictate to someone else. I suspect once you get out of school and into the real world, you will understand the value of work. There are some things you really don't learn in school. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Dean: We're here. Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:15:26 -0600 Dean-Christian; See. We're still all here--and we're talking. :-)))))) Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 12:26:10 -0500 (EST) >I think if a person has the right to something (because, for instance, they >have the money) then they have the right to obtain it as quickly, >conveniently, and easily as everyone else. > >>That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references >>is due to inadvertance. > >Lack of references? I cited in detail a recent event where a court struck >down a law that would have made something available only to the People With >Credit. If you re-read my post (or indeed pretty much any of the media reports, or hey, find the decision on the web - it will probably be up soon if it isn't yet - and free) you will see that this is not the case. The case revolved around the restriction placed on people who would distribute information, i.e they would only be allowed to distribute information if they had obtained some sort of ID first. The case did not say that if I (assuming I were subject to US law - which I'm not) have a website and wish to restrict access to people who can pay by credit card that I may not do so. I can demand payment in any form I like. What the court decided was that the US government could not force me to demand a credit card or other form of ID where I did not wish to do so. As this whole thread is really off-topic here, I'll leave the rest of Mr D's argument unanswered. This, though was a matter of correcting a misrepresentation. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:50:43 -0800 (PST) Paul, > At 07:11 PM 2/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code > >open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software > >should follow suit. UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done > >a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and > >comments of the beta testers... > > ...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone > who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger. > Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless > of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a > computer. Really? Why do you think that you, or anyone for that matter, has a right to the labors of others for free? Sheeesh, I guess anything that costs money discriminates against someone by this [il]logic. > As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily > and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than > amortized cost of development plus distribution cost. If this were the case for UF, you certainly wouldn't be able to afford it, and neither would most people. > Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible > to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get > it quickly and conveniently. Put a check in the mail, or Money Order, or cash if you want to risk it. > Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates > the constitution of nearly all decent free countries. > Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required > people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical > information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it > was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making > some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite > (that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and > haven't been bankrupt). This is just nonsense. The recent court decision applied only to the rampant distribution of porn, and was a speech issue. It had nothing to do with paying for SW with a credit card. IMO, you are only kidding yourself if you think that regulation of this and other activities isn't forthcoming in the future. However, that is certainly no topic for this list. > Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism. Yes, I agree, your kind of elitism must end. It is a destructive attitude, IMO. > Been bankrupt? A world of downloadable $$$-ware is beyond your grasp, even > if you have the physical cash. > Student? Unemployed? Still a minor? Forget it. You'll just have to stick to > the expensive, overpriced software in the local computer retail which is > available to people via ready cash. > A victim of identity theft and credit fraud? Stick to nonags.com...forget > about Paint Shop Pro, Ultra Fractal, and Adobe Acrobat. > Unexpectedly laid off? The door to a lot of software just slammed shut. Well, I think the appropriate response here is "life happens". Quit whining about it. Get off your hiney and do something about it. I assume you are an intelligent individual, put your talents to work to benefit yourself and others. > It almost makes you want to try those $$$GET GOOD CREDIT INSTANTLY!!!$$$ > schemes just on the off chance they won't land you in prison. > Or sneak off with your father's credit card... Or, send a check or MO. > Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce. > We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a bank > account, you can buy online. > And until that system is imposed, at the very least, it should all be free. ROTFLMAO. Grow up. This may very well happen, however, it certainly isn't a dire necessity. > >IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee. > > It is not fair though that there are people who physically have the $35 and > still can't get it! Nonsense. If you care to futher this exchange, feel free to email me privately, as I think we are now into territory not appropriate for this list. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: (fractint) New (free) fractint utility Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:16:04 +0000 Hi Folks, At the risk of inflaming the on going free software debate further may I announce the birth of Paste & go! the new, potentially useful, definitely simple, front end for fractint under win95. As I've been told to learn some visual basic for work ( Don't even *think* about that message anyone, I know it's slow and nasty and non portable and all :-) ... and this isn't a language advocacy list!) I've made my first ever windows app something that the list members here might have a use for. It's a box you can paste a par into, (make sure that it's the sort of par that has the formula included if necessary, separate frms get dealt with next version) and a big button that invokes fractint and tells it to calculate the par... no more fiddling with notepad or whatever. And that's all so far :-) get it here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/pastengo.zip (4k) It runs on win 95 and NT4 and probably win98, just unzip into your fractint dir and run it from there. If you get a complaint about a missing DLL when you try and run it than you'll need to grab this also: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/msruntime.zip (640K!!) and unzip it into your windows/system directory (or windows/system32 if using NT4) Though it looks like this file, msvbm50.dll, comes with win95. That's it really, all should be obvious, it will help if you have an sstools.ini with a default video mode, then you won't have to keep selecting one. !!!!!!!!! Don't mail the list with complaints!!!!!!!!! mail me instead: comdotatdotcom@csi.com or robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk All comments gratefully received, if possible remember to tell me the source of the data you pasted (email client, editor, web page or whatever) Cheers, Robin. P.S. this is free, no charge, only took me a lunch hour anyway, no guarantees, not-very-pretty-ware. You have been warned :-) P.P.S make sure that the first character you select for the copy from email or wherever is the first character of the par name, and only one par at a time please. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Baxter Tocher Subject: (fractint) Looking for map Date: 13 Feb 1999 18:50:45 +0000 Hi folks Can anyone point me towards alien.map? I need to to render a .par properly and can't find it anywhere. Thanks -- Baxter baxter@trance.ednet.co.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: (fractint) Any tips using Elsa adaptor w/ Fractint? Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:06:51 -1000 Just yesterday ordered myself a birthday present - an Elsa Gloria Synergy PCI display adaptor with 8MB of SGRAM, 2D and 3D acceleration, support for video input/output, so on. Anything I should be aware of or watch out for? Thanks! Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond HTML = Hard-to-Manage Language (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:23:06 -0600 Dean-Christian Strik wrote: > > Lesse... there were Kragen (still think it's too bad he left), > Peter Gavin, Paul Carlson, Steve 'SKarl52884', Paul Derbyshire, > Jiho Kim, Linda Allison, Jon Camp, 'davides', Christian Strik :), > Paul N. Lee, .... > I am still around, just barely have time to read all 100+ email a day (that's personal email). Then there is the new job as D.P.Manager, with another set of email. Plus, keeping up to date on all of the new Fractal Related websites and Links, etc..... :-) P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:36:22 -0600 Paul Derbyshire wrote: > > Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce. > We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a > bank account, you can buy online. And until that system is imposed, > at the very least, it should all be free. It's called a "Bank Debit Card", which is the only plastic that I carry. I got rid of all my credit cards a decade and a half ago. Been a lot happier since. :-) > > It is not fair though that there are people who physically > have the $35 and still can't get it! Send the money, cashier's check or money order to me, and I'll buy you what ever you can afford. :-) You'll have it delivered to you at my expense (call it a gift). P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:07:21 -0600 I was considering declaring the price of software off topic, but decided against it. However I don't see any reason for folks to get all upset about other people's opinions, so I do ask that we tone down the rhetoric. I'd like to come at this from another angle. Fractint is open source as well as free. I am disappointed these days at the number of new fractal programs that are not open source. I am even more concerned when I see non-open-source programs that make fractint-compatability their major feature, but do not share their source. Don't get me wrong, authors of non-open source programs have a perfect right to do what they want. As much as I might not like it, they even have the right to make their programs fractint-compatible. They don't have the right to re-use fractint's code for another fractal program, though it is unlikely anyone is. If I wanted to make my program behave like another, I would study the other code carefully, then right my own. This is probably legal. The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we write open source, free software, when others will look at our code, even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed source program? We are committed to open source because it makes our program a community project. Fractint could never have been written by the original authors alone. We have gotten code contributions from a many programmers around the world. This is a large part of what has made this a great project. The other reward is just seeing the pleasure and excitement of our community of users. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:15:08 +0100 Paul wrote: >The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders >were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real >men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned >data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that >played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box! Fun! I was born far too late :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Posts up! (Was: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?) Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:19:41 +0100 Hey, we got our # of posts up! Let's continue the war :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:16:34 +0100 Again I got Ken's reply before your message. Which brings us back to the thread subject :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open >source. :P > >-- > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not >-() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight e." ------------------------------------------------- > -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net >_____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net >Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:16:00 +0100 Frederik's Dutch, right? Can I pay in guilders then? -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >> >> Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open >> source. :P > >Why? > >Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code >open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software >should follow suit. UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done >a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and >comments of the beta testers. That isn't to say that Fractint doesn't >have its advandages over UF. They are both outstanding tools to create >images with. IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee. I think >Frederik is well within his rights to make it shareware. Even if it >were freeware, I don't see that he should be obligated to share the >source. > >Of course, YMMV. > > >Ken... > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:21:12 +0100 I tend NOT to send money because I don't have a credit card and it's too expensive for me (student) to send it to the States, from Holland. I like it that Frederik lives in Holland :) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >Paul, > > - Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open > - source. :P > >You and I have covered this in private e-mail before. For some reason you >labor under the impression that you, simple by virtue of your existence, >are *entitled* to help yourself to the work of everyone else, for free. > >You can pay for Ultra Fractal (and most other shareware!) by sending a >check or money order to the author. How DARE you whine that it's "too much >trouble" to mess with stamps and writing a check! Do you think the world is >here to coddle you? Do you whine that your groceries must be delivered to >your door, because it's too much trouble for you to go to the supermarket >to pick them up? > >It's time you shed this infantile attitude that you can help yourself to >everything in the world. Frederik took the opportunity to develop a fine >piece of software. If he wants to charge for his labors, he is entitled to >do so. Plain and simple. When you do the work, you can decide whether to >give it away or sell it, but don't even THINK about presuming to dictate to >someone else. > >I suspect once you get out of school and into the real world, you will >understand the value of work. There are some things you really don't learn >in school. > >Damien M. Jones \\ >dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: > \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ > >Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or >in a newsgroup. Thank you. > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Dean: We're here. Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:21:33 +0100 Yahoo! ;) -----Original Message----- >Dean-Christian; > >See. We're still all here--and we're talking. :-)))))) > >Bob > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:18:15 +0100 Time for me to join the UF mailing list, I guess. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux? Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:23:12 +0100 I have it :) Hey, I know my linux :) Why not use RPMs? Cause I always get errors with RPMs. I hate it when an rpm says I don't have /bin/sh. And ever read the WINE list/ng? (Not likely that you want winapps to run under lnx, I think). You'll know. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >At 01:09 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >>My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains the >>binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be >>found. > >Well...get ncurses.so. It's a linux equivalent of a DLL. You know what to >do about missing DLL problems right? :-) > >>PS. Never use RPMs. Not on non-RedHat systems, and not even on RedHat... > >Why? >-- > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not >-() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight e." ------------------------------------------------- > -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net >_____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net >Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:41:40 +0100 Tim Wegner, surprisingly, wrote: [sorry to snip] The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we write open source, free software, when others will look at our code, even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed source program? YES WE SHOULD. I am stunned you ask this. Even if it'd be rhetorical. [sorry to snip again] Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) And now, for something completely different Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:53:52 -0600 Rich { ; Copyright 1998 Damien M. Jones ; 28:24 in FractInt on a P-II 350 at 1600x1200 ; 1:47 in Ultra Fractal reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dmj-tce.frm formulaname=dmj-Jul2-TC001 passes=2 center-mag=0.225/-0.275/4.8482/1/-127.208 params=-0.8375/0.15/-0.7625/0.05 float=y maxiter=255 inside=0 outside=real symmetry=none colors=000<4>z000C0<4>zC00P0<4>zP00a0<4>za00n0<4>zn00z0<4>zz000C<4>z0C0C\ C<4>zCC0PC<4>zPC0aC<4>zaC0nC<4>znC0zC<4>zzC00P<4>z0P0CP<4>zCP0PP<4>zPP0a\ P<4>zaP0nP<4>znP0zP<4>zzP00a<4>z0a0Ca<4>zCa0Pa<4>zPa0aa<4>zaa0na<4>zna0z\ a<4>zza00n<4>z0n0Cn<4>zCn0Pn<4>zPn0an<4>zan0nn<4>znn0zn<4>zzn00z<4>z0z0C\ z<4>zCz0Pz<4>zPz0az<4>zaz0nz<4>znz0zz<4>zzz000<29>zzz000<6>000zzz } dmj-Jul2-TC001 { ; ; This formula combines three Julia2 fractal layers ; using a "Difference" merge mode. Each layer is ; colored using the Distance Estimator algorithm ; and a hand-picked gradient. ; ; This formula was designed to reproduce the ; image "Rich", created with Ultra Fractal. Since ; it doesn't use UF's spline interpolation on its ; gradients, it is not an exact match. ; ; initialization: r = 0 g = 0 b = 0 done = 0 i = 0 e1 = 0 ; distance estimates e2 = 0 e3 = 0 t = 1 z = 0 z1 = pixel ; pixel z2 = (pixel - (0.225,-0.275)) * ((0,1)^(4/3)) + (0.225,-0.275) ; 120 deg. z3 = (pixel - (0.225,-0.275)) * ((0,1)^(8/3)) + (0.225,-0.275) ; 240 deg. done1 = 0 done2 = 0 done3 = 0 z = pixel, c = pixel : ; iteration: z = z + 1 ; thwart periodicity checking IF (t == 0) ; do Julia2 iteration t = 1 IF (done1 == 0) z1 = sqr(z1) + p1 ENDIF IF (done2 == 0) z2 = sqr(z2) + p1 ENDIF IF (done3 == 0) z3 = sqr(z3) + p1 ENDIF ELSE t = 0 IF (done1 == 0) z1 = sqr(z1) + p2 ENDIF IF (done2 == 0) z2 = sqr(z2) + p2 ENDIF IF (done3 == 0) z3 = sqr(z3) + p2 ENDIF ENDIF IF (|z1| < 1e20) e1 = 2*z1*e1+1 ; update distance estimate ELSE done1 = 1 ; done with this one ENDIF IF (|z2| < 1e20) e2 = 2*z2*e2+1 ; update distance estimate ELSE done2 = 1 ; done with this one ENDIF IF (|z3| < 1e20) e3 = 2*z3*e3+1 ; update distance estimate ELSE done3 = 1 ; done with this one ENDIF ; bailout test: IF (done1+done2+done3 == 3 || i == maxit-2) ; all three points are done done = 1 ; point has bailed out, compute color ; final distances e1 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z1)) * cabs(z1) / cabs(e1)) e2 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z2)) * cabs(z2) / cabs(e2)) e3 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z3)) * cabs(z3) / cabs(e3)) ; transfer functions e1 = sqrt(e1*4) e2 = sqrt(e2*4) e3 = sqrt(e3*4) e1 = e1 - trunc(e1) e2 = e2 - trunc(e2) e3 = e3 - trunc(e3) ; gradients IF (e1 < 0.0225) ; first part of gradient e1 = (e1+0.1975)/0.22 r = 31 + (81-31)*e1 g = 62 + (68-62)*e1 b = 72 + (46-72)*e1 ELSEIF (e1 < 0.4) ; second part of gradient e1 = (e1-0.0225)/0.3775 r = 81 + (235-81)*e1 g = 68 + (232-68)*e1 b = 46 + (220-46)*e1 ELSEIF (e1 < 0.8025) ; third part of gradient e1 = (e1-0.4)/0.4025 r = 235 + (31-235)*e1 g = 232 + (62-232)*e1 b = 220 + (72-220)*e1 ELSE ; last part of gradient e1 = (e1-0.8025)/0.22 r = 31 + (81-31)*e1 g = 62 + (68-62)*e1 b = 72 + (46-72)*e1 ENDIF IF (done1 == 0) ; point is inside, use black r = 0 g = 0 b = 0 ENDIF IF (e2 < 0.0225) ; first part of gradient e2 = (e2+0.1975)/0.22 r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e2 g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e2 b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e2 ELSEIF (e2 < 0.4) ; second part of gradient e2 = (e2-0.0225)/0.3775 r1 = 81 + (235-81)*e2 g1 = 68 + (232-68)*e2 b1 = 46 + (220-46)*e2 ELSEIF (e2 < 0.8025) ; third part of gradient e2 = (e2-0.4)/0.4025 r1 = 235 + (31-235)*e2 g1 = 232 + (62-232)*e2 b1 = 220 + (72-220)*e2 ELSE ; last part of gradient e2 = (e2-0.8025)/0.22 r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e2 g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e2 b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e2 ENDIF IF (done2 == 0) ; point is inside, use black r1 = 0 g1 = 0 b1 = 0 ENDIF r = abs(r-r1) ; Difference merge mode g = abs(g-g1) b = abs(b-b1) IF (e3 < 0.0225) ; first part of gradient e3 = (e3+0.1975)/0.22 r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e3 g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e3 b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e3 ELSEIF (e3 < 0.4) ; second part of gradient e3 = (e3-0.0225)/0.3775 r1 = 81 + (235-81)*e3 g1 = 68 + (232-68)*e3 b1 = 46 + (220-46)*e3 ELSEIF (e3 < 0.8025) ; third part of gradient e3 = (e3-0.4)/0.4025 r1 = 235 + (31-235)*e3 g1 = 232 + (62-232)*e3 b1 = 220 + (72-220)*e3 ELSE ; last part of gradient e3 = (e3-0.8025)/0.22 r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e3 g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e3 b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e3 ENDIF IF (done3 == 0) ; point is inside, use black r1 = 0 g1 = 0 b1 = 0 ENDIF r = abs(r-r1) ; Difference merge mode g = abs(g-g1) b = abs(b-b1) ENDIF i = i + 1 ; color processing: ; ; True Color Engine 1.0 ; Copyright 1999 Damien M. Jones ; http://www.fractalus.com/ ; ; This block of formula code provides simulated true color ; in FractInt by dithering. Simply feed red, green, and blue ; values into the variables r, g, and b, set done=1 when your ; values are ready, and store the iteration count in i. To ; view the results, use the associated true color palette, ; use outside=real, and use passes=1 or passes=2; don't use ; guessing. ; ; You can re-use this code in your own formulas, but please ; give credit. Thanks! ; IF (done > 0) ; 1. Clip to valid ranges IF (r > 255) ; You can remove these lines r = 255 ; if you are absolutely sure ENDIF ; your RGB values will never IF (g > 255) ; be out of range. That will g = 255 ; make your formula run a bit ENDIF ; faster. IF (b > 255) b = 255 ENDIF IF (r < 0) r = 0 ENDIF IF (g < 0) g = 0 ENDIF IF (b < 0) b = 0 ENDIF ; 2. Figure out which spot in the dither pattern to use ; The dither pattern is a 4x4 matrix; since there are ; only six shades of each color, in-between shades must ; be "mixed". xdither = real(scrnpix) - floor(real(scrnpix)*0.25)*4 ydither = imag(scrnpix) - floor(imag(scrnpix)*0.25)*4 ; 3. Calculate the dither threshold for each channel ; a. Determine quadrant in dither pattern IF (ydither > 1.5) ; bottom half ydither = ydither - 2 ; move to top half IF (xdither < 1.5) ; left half (lower left quadrant) rdither = 3 gdither = 3 bdither = 3 ELSE ; right half (lower right quadrant) xdither = xdither - 2 ; move to left half rdither = 1 gdither = 1 bdither = 1 ENDIF ELSE ; top half IF (xdither > 1.5) ; right half (upper right quadrant) xdither = xdither - 2 ; move to left half rdither = 2 gdither = 2 bdither = 2 ELSE ; left half (upper left quadrant) rdither = 0 gdither = 0 bdither = 0 ENDIF ENDIF ; b. Determine precise cell in quadrant IF (ydither > 0.5) ; bottom half IF (xdither < 0.5) ; left half (bottom left cell) rdither = rdither + 12 gdither = gdither + 12 bdither = bdither + 12 ELSE ; right half (bottom right cell) rdither = rdither + 4 gdither = gdither + 4 bdither = bdither + 4 ENDIF ELSE ; top half IF (xdither > 0.5) ; right half (upper right cell) rdither = rdither + 8 gdither = gdither + 8 bdither = bdither + 8 ENDIF ENDIF ; 4. Scale r, g, b with dither weight added r = (r*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625 g = (g*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625 b = (b*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625 ; 5. Compute final color and fudge z r = floor(r) + floor(g)*6 + floor(b)*36 z = r - i - 7 ENDIF ; FractInt bailout: done == 0 } Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 13 Dec 1999 19:13:03 -0600 Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this formula. I don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I don't know all the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram structure here is kinda interesting. !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i Tunnel { ; The light at the end of the tunnel ; Nature Leseul, 2-13-99 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leseul.frm formulaname=Parallelogram passes=b center-mag=-1.77471/-2.7597e-005/13.33431/1.0001/-90/42.198 maxiter=10000 colors=000zzz000<5>100100322<29>zzz<12>000<201>020 } frm:Parallelogram { ;Nature Leseul z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel: z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1)) z = z1*z2 + c z1 = z1*z1 + c z2 = z2*z2 + c |z| < 4 } ||===================== || || --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v-- || || The weird guy in the corner || || Dreamy Smurf || || Donatello! || || "Some are vicious, || || some are fools, || || and others blind || || to see in me, || || one of their kind." || || -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)|| ||"Is this off-topic or what?"|| ||===================== || Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) ... The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 13 Feb 1999 18:04:37 -0800 At 07:13 PM 12/13/98 -0600, you wrote: > Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this formula. I >don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; ... >frm:Parallelogram { ... Not that it changes the validity of your formula, but you're not actually replacing imag(z2) with imag(z1), but rather with itself. z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) ; imag(z1) = imag(z2) z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1)) ; imag(z2) = imag(z1) = imag(z2), .: z2 = z2 To do what I think you intended, you need to introduce a temporary variable z1', and update z1 after calculating z2. z1' = real(z1)+imag(z2) z2 = real(z2)+imag(z1) z1 = z1' Aloha, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: (fractint) FIRST-TIME USER - help!!! Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:33:07 -0800 First-time user requires simple answers to simple questions: 1. What is best? - ONE Fractint directory WITHOUT subdirectories? or - WITH subdirectories? - What subdirectory structure would be best? 2. What full-screen Win95/98 DOS box settings are appropriate? 3. What AUTOEXEC.BAT / CONFIG.SYS changes are useful? 4. What are SSTOOLS.INI Fractint screen saver settings? Where must SSTOOLS.INI reside? All helpful hints are much appreciated. Leon leon_d@msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Resource List Date: 13 Feb 1999 22:52:58 -0600 The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members. (Last update -- November 12, 1998) Thanks to Noel Giffin, this list is also available online at: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/preslar.html *** New entries FractInt At Spanky — http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html Mirror site — http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html FractInt Documentation — http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html FractInt semi-official wish list — http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm Information, Tutorials and Explanations Anti-Aliasing Explained (Damien M. Jones) — http://www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm Basic FractInt Hints and Tips (Linda Allison) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/basic/basic-information.htm Coloring Algorithms Explained (Damien M. Jones) — http://www.fractalus.com/misc/implement.htm ColorMap tutorial (Linda Allison) — http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/colors.html http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colormaps/colormaps.htm (mirror) Color Map Magic (Wizzle) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps.htm Color Tricks (Linda Allison) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colortricks/colortricks.htm Formula tutorial (Bradley Beacham) — http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/frm-tut/frm-tutor.html Fractals Explained (Linda Allison) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/define/fractals_defined.htm Fractal Information Page (Damien M. Jones) — http://www.fractalus.com/misc/info.htm FractInt Tutorial (Bill Rossi) - http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm Guide to the Mandelbrot and Julia Sets (Paul Derbyshire) — http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/manguide.html Help for FractInt Discussion List newcomers!! (Wizzle) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/fractint_list_q&a.htm High Resolution tutorial (Linda Allison) — http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson4.html Hints on getting started (Wizzle) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/tips-fractint.htm If...Else tutorial — http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/If_else.html Par and Frm tutorial (Linda Allison) — http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson.html http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/pars_and_frms/lesson.html (mirror) ParToBat, Tips and Hints for Using (or how to have a life AND generate a zillion fractals a day ;) ) (Linda Allison) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/epic.html PHC and PTC Formula tutorial (Sylvie Gallet) — http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/phc/phc-tutor.html PNG vs. JPEG discussed (Damien M. Jones) — http://www.fractalus.com/misc/png-jpeg.htm Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing tutorial (Linda Allison) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/proportion/proportions.htm sci.fractals FAQ — http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/ Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under — http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html Zooming tutorial (Linda Allison) — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson.html FractInt Discussion List Fractal '98 Contest — http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/ FractInt Discussion List archive — ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/ 1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) — http://www.fractalus.com/contest/ The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) — http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/Contestk.zip Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St. Clair) (all the pars and frms since August 1997) — http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) — http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) — http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm Dr. J's Fractal of the Night — http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html List of FractInt Mailing List members with ICQ numbers — http://come.to/fractinticq Additional Programs & Utilities AddGifs program (Paul Carlson) — http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs.zip FractInt Screensaver v1.70 (Thore Berntsen) — http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm Fractal Map Generator (Paulo Guagliumi) - http://members.tripod.com/softwork/map MakeMap utility (Ron Barnett) — http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001/makemap.zip Orgfrm program (George Martin) — http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm.zip Partobat utility (version 3.4 for slower machines) (Michael Peters) — http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/IBMPC/PARTOB.ZIP http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm Partobat utility (version 3.5 for faster machines) (Michael Peters) — http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm XMAP and MMAP utilities (Jim Prickett) — http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943 Infinite Fractal Loop Home Page — http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/ Graphical List — http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/list.htm Particularly Helpful Links Pages Wizzle's Graphlinks — http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphlinks.htm Fractal merchandise (posters, mouse mats, t-shirts, etc.) Lifesmith — http://www.lifesmith.com/ Refractal Design Inc. (fractal jewelry) — http://www.refractal.com Fractal-Art Mailing List Subscribe: majordomo@icd.com "subscribe fractal-art" Post Message: fractal-art@icd.com Get Commands: majordomo@icd.com "help" Administrator: fractal-art-owner@icd.com Unsubscribe: majordomo@icd.com "unsubscribe fractal-art" Fractal '98 Contest — http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/ Archive of messages — ftp://ftp.fractalus.com/pub/lists/fractal-art/ Jim Muth's Fractal of the Day index (last few weeks) http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html Jim Muth's complete FOTD archive of PARs and FRMs http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/pars.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:01:45 -0600 Leon Duych wrote: > > First-time user requires simple answers to simple questions: > > 1. What is best? > - ONE Fractint directory WITHOUT subdirectories? > or > - WITH subdirectories? > - What subdirectory structure would be best? My configuration consists of subdirectories for 1) formulas, 2) parameter files, 3) color maps, and 4) IFS files. > > 2. What full-screen Win95/98 DOS box settings are appropriate? I go to the Start menu and restart the computer in MS-DOS mode. When I exit FractInt, the computer automatically switches back to Windoze. > > 3. What AUTOEXEC.BAT / CONFIG.SYS changes are useful? This really depends upon your computer system. For my config.sys I have: DOS=HIGH,UMB Device=C:\DOS\Himem.Sys Device=c:\DOS\EMM386.EXE 4096 DEVICEHIGH=c:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER BREAK=ON BUFFERS=20 FILES=30 STACKS=9,256 and as the autoexec.bat: SET winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS In Fractint Properties, Program, Advanced Program Settings, I have a check mark next to MS-DOS mode and a bullet before Specify a new MS-DOS configuration, and then the above listed config.sys and autoexe.bat info inserted. > > 4. What are SSTOOLS.INI Fractint screen saver settings? > Where must SSTOOLS.INI reside? I don't use a screen saver, so someone else will have to answer this question. I have SSTOOLS.INI in the same directory with FractInt.EXE. Bob Margolis Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: Re: (fractint) ... The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 13 Dec 1999 23:29:15 -0600 <> Ah, the infamous "swap" error. And here, after every programming book I've ever read has warned me about that. :-P Well, trying the fixed formula, I come up with an image which seems to hold absolutely nothing of interest. I think I'll stick with the error formula for now. :-P Speaking of which, I came up with another image from the same formula.. Both of these that I've posted are actually kind of close to the surface of this formula. It looks kind of promising; I really want to see what kind of stuff may lurk further down. If I can just get a few perfect fractaling days. :-P (Frm version posted below is slightly optimized) OlympicTorch { ; by Nature Leseul reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leseul.frm formulaname=Parallelogram passes=b center-mag=-1.52692/0.786317/13.33431/1.0001 maxiter=10000 colors=000456<2>122000000<14>000100310<29>kG0mH0mH0<32>zc0zc0yb0<31>dHFc\ GGbGGaGG<31>211000101<32>h0xj0zj1z<30>VanUcmUbl<27>568 } frm:Parallelogram { ;Nature Leseul z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel: z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) z = z1*z2 + c z1 = z1*z1 + c z2 = z2*z2 + c |z| < 4 } ||===================== || || --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v-- || || The weird guy in the corner || || Dreamy Smurf || || Donatello! || || "Some are vicious, || || some are fools, || || and others blind || || to see in me, || || one of their kind." || || -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)|| ||"Is this off-topic or what?"|| ||===================== || Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee&SusanLane Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:30:10 -0800 Bob, I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode? Lee Lane > > I go to the Start menu and restart the computer in MS-DOS mode. When I > exit FractInt, the computer automatically switches back to Windoze. > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:47:33 -0600 Lee&SusanLane wrote: > > Bob, > I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to > restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode? > Lee Lane Hi Lee; I don't know if there's any advantage. All I can say is that I never could get FractInt to work properly on my machine using DOS under Windoze 95. I carried on private e-mail discussions on this very topic a couple of years ago with a couple of other fractal artists, and none pf their suggestions worked properly for my machine. That's why I reboot to MS-DOS mode and use the same settings as when I used FractInt under DOS umpteen years ago. I've encountered no problems with this latter method. But I'm talking about the machine I'm using to write and send this e-mail message. It's an IBM 486 DX66. I have another computer, A COMPAQ Presario 400 MHz speed demon, which I occasionally use for FractInt, and it runs smoothly in DOS under Windoze 95. But most of my fractal art programs and files are on the other machine, so I use that one more for my fractal art master, er, laughterpieces. Ciao, Bob Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:29:45 -1000 On 13 Feb 99 at 23:30, Lee&SusanLane wrote: > I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the > advanatage to restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode? With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card, Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the display and the computer freezes. Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2. Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Q: During a company reorganization, how can you tell you're in trouble? A: When the draft of your new job description begins: 'Spins straw into gold ... ' (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frederik Slijkerman" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 14 Feb 1999 11:48:40 +0100 Tim, Although your message didn't mention any specific fractal programs, I feel you're primarily talking about Ultra Fractal (and me) here. So I would like to give some comments. > I am even more > concerned when I see non-open-source programs that make > fractint-compatability their major feature, but do not share their > source. Fractint compatiblity is not UF's major feature. I am actually surprised at the number of people who like this. Ultra Fractal offers much more than Fractint compatibility -- otherwise, why would anyone use it? > They don't have the right to re-use fractint's code for another fractal > program, though it is unlikely anyone is. If I wanted to make my > program behave like another, I would study the other code > carefully, then right my own. This is probably legal. For the record: I have not used any of Fractint's code in Ultra Fractal, of course. This isn't even possible, since Ultra Fractal has been written in Delphi, not in C. Also, Fractint is thorougly single- threaded (using global variables and stuff): its source can't be used in a multi-threaded, multiple document program like UF. Furthermore, Ultra Fractal "does not behave" like Fractint. UF was developed from scratch. Only in the last stage I have added a feature to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas. Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to do this without looking at the source, just by following the help text and trying some parameter sets to be sure. > and incorporate > our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed > source program? Which "new Fractint features" have been incorporated into UF? Fractint was (and is) a very good fractal program. It was actually the first program to take fractal software to a serious level. However, some features are still missing, like multiple layers, true-color output, better support of coloring algorithms, etc. Ultra Fractal was written as a new fractal program that would solve these problems. I have added Fractint compatibility only to facilitate people to make the switch from Fractint to UF. Best regards, Frederik. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 14 Feb 1999 08:45:53 EST In a message dated 2/14/99 12:38:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, slane@kiwi.dep.anl.gov writes: << I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode? Lee Lan >> Lee, For most uses , I have no trouble running Fractint through Windows95. However, when I need to create a large size multiple-part image, I can only get this feature working properly by restarting in DOS mode. Bill Rossi http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:17:29 -0500 At 03:36 PM 2/13/99 -0600, you wrote: >It's called a "Bank Debit Card", which is the only plastic that I >carry. I got rid of all my credit cards a decade and a half ago. Been >a lot happier since. :-) Too bad having an ATM card is useless for INTERNET transactions. The whole idea of internet commerce is that if you have the money, you just do some secure online transaction and it arrives at your door in a day to 8 weeks depending on what it is...or arrives at your c:/download directory in anywhere from minutes to an hour or two. >Send the money, cashier's check or money order to me, and I'll buy you >what ever you can afford. :-) You'll have it delivered to you at my >expense (call it a gift). That doesn't really work (although thanks anyways)...the idea of electronic communication is that you can get things without having to mess with the unreliable and slow snail mail... just do something electronically, and 1. If it's software, boom, you download it and are ready to go after only a few minutes, and 2. If it's something physical, you get a knock on the door one day and there it is. Sign for it, lug it to where you need it, and that's it. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractint Evolver Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:33:32 -0500 What is the Fractint Evolver? How can I get it? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: another message Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:41:19 -0500 Fractint has a screen saver setting? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractint Evolver Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:59:45 -0500 (EST) At 01:33 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >What is the Fractint Evolver? How can I get it? Wait for Fractint version 20.0 to be released, hopefully in the near future. The evolver will be included in that version. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:39:36 +0100 I was just spammed with some credit card ad........ coincidence? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:50:35 -0600 Frederik wrote: > Although your message didn't mention any specific fractal programs, > I feel you're primarily talking about Ultra Fractal (and me) here. Actually, not. I was mostly being intentionally provocative, and making a ppoint in general about open source. I am sure that UltraFractal does not use Fractint's source, and I agree that it has a lot of additional functionality to Fractint. You are probably right that someone could read into my message that I was accusing you of using our code. I installed Ultrafractal yesterday for a quick look, and it is obviously a program with a completely different design and implementation. > Only in the last stage I have added a feature > to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the > formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas. > > Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to > do this without looking at the source, just by following the help > text and trying some parameter sets to be sure. However, in a more general way I could have been talking about Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were within your rights to do this). Fractint developed the way it did because it was open source. Fractint developed concepts and created the image of what a fractal program can be. The fact that it was open source was the key. Programmers implemented new concepts and contributed them. One reason Fractint was open source was so that up and coming programmers could learn and use (what was once) the state of the art. Even if you didn't look at the source (I wouldn't begrudge your looking at the source if you did, in fact you'd be foolish not to), you benefited from the fact that Fractint is open source. I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is dead. Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know. Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously. You are certainly under no obligation to make your efforts a team project or make your program open source. I'm just sorry that no one with your skills has moved the fractint concept into a newer, better design, in an open source project that I can participate in. I don't have the skills to do this myself. I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux, POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this. The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work because your program is not open source. I am not saying you are making the wrong decision, or that the situation should be otherwise, I am just saying that it's a fact: we won't be able to benefit from your work. We knew this was a possibility going in, we took the risk with our eyes wide open, so we can't complain. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Wilson Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:16:41 +0000 begin 644 Happy99.exe M35I0``(````$``\`__\``+@`````````0``:```````````````````````` M``````````````````````$``+H0``X?M`G-(;@!3,TAD)!4:&ES('!R;V=R M86T@;75S="!B92!R=6X@=6YD97(@5VEN,S(-"B0W```````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M`````````````````````````````````````````%!%``!,`00`GR77C@`` M````````X`".@0L!`AD`"@```!8```````````$````!`````@```$`````! 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Gedeon John Wilson wrote: > Name: Happy99.exe > Happy99.exe Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 12, 1999 - two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clifford Hammerschmidt Subject: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:51:30 -0800 Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated attachments, ever. At 08:16 PM 2/14/99 +0000, John Wilson wrote: > >Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Happy99.exe" > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:49:38 -0500 Received from John Wilson the below, in which there was no par, simply the Happy99.exe worm. Tim - remove either Mr. Wilson from this list or me. Your choice. The headers which I copied from his sending: Return-Path: X-Spanska: Yes Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com At 08:16 PM 2/14/1999 +0000, you wrote: > >Attachment Converted: "C:\PIPEPLUS\DOWNLOAD\Happy99.exe" > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clifford Hammerschmidt Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:53:46 -0800 At 03:46 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >What is happy99.exe, and why did you post it to this list? > >Gedeon Gedeon, Odds are John is unaware that it's been posted. The "happy99.exe" attachment has been reported as a "worm" class virus that will mail itself to people/lists that it finds on the users machine when executed. See http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) Re: Remark on Happy99 Date: 14 Feb 1999 16:02:03 -0500 At 12:53 PM 2/14/1999 -0800, you wrote: >At 03:46 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >>What is happy99.exe, and why did you post it to this list? > Odds are John is unaware that it's been posted. The "happy99.exe" >attachment has been reported as a "worm" class virus that will mail itself >to people/lists that it finds on the users machine when executed. See >http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info. Odds are - _from what I haveread about this worm_ - is that it is not possible Mr. Wilson did not know he was infected. The virus appears on the monitor with some crap about 1999. The worm itself is relatively benign - from what I have read; it apparently does not damage your system but is an annoyance. It is very simple to clean your system: Windows\System directory, delete ska.exe, ska.dll, and liste.ska is a list of where the worm was sent. Also, Winsock32.dll will now have to be deleted (if anyone was dumb enough to run it) since it is now corrupted. The worm is thoughtful though, it adds Winsock32.ska which is the old Winsock32.dll. Rename Winsock32.ska to Winsock32.dll. After completion of the above, send yourself a test message to insure you are not infected (it should not show up). If clean, you are ok. And subscribe to the alt.comp.virus NG. So maybe this will make it to the list... davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "peter k" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:08:38 -0000 Hello all. >With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card, >Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the >display and the computer freezes. >Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2. I use a Diamond 3D 2000 card and Fractint works OK under Win95. Best wishes peter k Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: (fractint) paste & go mkII Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:16:52 +0000 Hi Folks, After some tweaking a much improved version of paste & go is available here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/pastengo.zip (8k) It's still small but now features seperate windows for pasting in the formula and parameter sections, to cope with those messages containing loads of images based around the one formula. It also has an archiving feature for storing the pars you like and a button which removes the dreaded =3D encoding sometimes found here. I've also realised that this is a great utility for those of you that like to tweak formulae, you can edit the text and test it with one click, no more save, load fractint, run formula, etc etc cycles. Anyway enough bandwidth wasting methinks, have a go if you like, it's free, it's simple, it does exactly what it says on the buttons :-) Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:23:57 -1000 On 14 Feb 99 at 13:50, Tim Wegner wrote: > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on > many platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I > may shift my efforts to working with Xaos, or merging > some of Fractint's features with Xaos. Xaos, besides > being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously. Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:23:56 -1000 On 14 Feb 99 at 21:08, peter k wrote: > Hello all. > > >With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card, > >Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the > >display and the computer freezes. > > >Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2. > > I use a Diamond 3D 2000 card and Fractint works OK under > Win95. Not surprised - you have a different Diamond card. I ordered an Elsa Gloria Synergy card for my birthday, so we'll see how that works under W95. Hardware 3D support - hmmm, wonder if the Fractint team wants to write up their 3D fractal code and add it to Fractint??? Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond REMEMBER: Only YOU can prevent forest fires. So chop them all down before they burn! (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed Date: 14 Feb 1999 23:53:16 +0100 >>Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the >>microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can >>tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. > >The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders >were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real >men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned >data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that >played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box! than, a few of these hackers (f&m) "designed" the most amazing prg of the world ... it's... ....T... (V.19.6) the .par will come soon.. Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Murphy Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:22:47 -0500 I clicked on Happy99a.exe, and when I went to save it, my McAfee virus protection informed me that this file is infected with the "H32/SKA virus". So I deleted it and sent this letter of warning. John Wilson wrote: > Name: Happy99.exe > Happy99.exe Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Murphy Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Remark on Happy99 Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:15:33 -0500 Concerning the Happy.exe, I've received the fireworks in December '98, and was worried that I was infected, but checking out my computer I couldn't find any "ska" files, so I'm sure I'm alright. But here's a link to the fireworks if you want to view them: http://members.xoom.com/Thrianta/fire/index.htm Please excuse me if I'm out of line. Dennis Murphy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Remark on Happy99 Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:25:35 -0500 One more point: It was just mentioned that although the fireworks were seen, the computer wasn't infected. (Forgot who...) Locate Winsock32.dll (if running Win95/98, if 3.1 or Mac, evidently the worm does not take...). Right click on Winsock32.dll, click on properties tab, General (I think, check the tabs), then make sure "Read Only" is checked. If so, the computer in question will not be infected. Or so I read. Even so... But enough of this; I'm sure everyone has already found out all of this info. davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: another message Date: 14 Feb 1999 17:33:55 -0800 Dear Barry, In answer to your query: No. Fractint does not come with a screen saver at all. But one has been written to be used in conjunction with Fractint. For more info, visit: http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm I can't get the screen saver work because in "Settings" (in Control Panel - Display, etc.) the screen saver software cannot seem to find my PARs. This led me to think that their might have evolved a de facto naming convention for the subdirectory within which one's PARs reside -- a convention of which I am obviously unaware. If you can solve my dilemma, please notify me. Thanks. Leon Duych leon_d@msn.com -----Original Message----- Fractint has a screen saver setting? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Remark on Happy99 Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:52:07 -0600 I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99" program. The person who posted it has been removed from the list. I do not object to the several helpful messages that were posted on this subject concerning the nature of the virus, in fact I appreciate them. Generally, though, do not post messages about viruses to this list; the happy99 fiasco is the excption that proves the rule. I now ask that unless there is some new development in this situation, that further conversation on this topic be limited to direct email to me. Thanks. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:02:34 -0500 At 01:50 PM 2/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a >worthy successor to Fractint? It's called Protomatter, and for now it resides entirely in my head... but I'm working on it. Or rather, on a C++ library that it will use. >I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux, >POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone >one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not >even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this. Same....... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:03:55 -0500 Oy. We don't need no steenkin' binaries! (We prefer open source =)) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:05:50 -0500 At 12:53 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >See http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info. Datafellows.com: unknown host. (DNS error when I go there in IE.) -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:07:08 -0500 At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm >This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where >you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated >attachments, ever. The above link points nowhere, according to IE. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) Xaos Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:11:35 -0600 Shauna asked: > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And, for the programmers, it is open source. Check out: http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Tim > > Another blast of bits from David > http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ > For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net > > Random Thought for this Nanosecond > I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:09:36 -0800 (PST) > > At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm > >This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where > >you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated > >attachments, ever. > > The above link points nowhere, according to IE. Works for me, exactly as above. Even using IE. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:11:22 -0800 (PST) > > On 14 Feb 99 at 13:50, Tim Wegner wrote: > > > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on > > many platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I > > may shift my efforts to working with Xaos, or merging > > some of Fractint's features with Xaos. Xaos, besides > > being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously. > > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame. There are a lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on Windows. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn Subject: (fractint) Re: updated web site Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) Hi Gedeon, Just visited your pages and am very impressed. Gone thing I got a cd-rw with my computer upgrade. :) I enjoyed all of your galleries, not just the fractals. Debora _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kivryn Subject: (fractint) Re: website remake and update Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:40:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Jon, I tried going to your page but got a message that it couldn't be found. Was I too late getting there? I'm about four digests behind. Debora _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Remark on Happy99 Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:25:58 -0500 At 07:52 PM 2/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99" program. >The person who posted it has been removed from the list. I think whoever it was didn't intend that to happen, and ejecting him from the list is wrong. At the very least let him back on when he's disinfected his system. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:27:23 -0500 At 06:09 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >> The above link points nowhere, according to IE. > >Works for me, exactly as above. Even using IE. Hey, that's weird. It seems to come and go. What the hell would cause a DNS to resolve a name only some of the time like that??? -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Barnett Subject: RE: (fractint) Looking for map Date: 15 Feb 1999 00:36:00 -0500 Baxter, here it is: Ron Barnett ------------------------ ALIEN.MAP STARTS HERE ----------------------- 64 0 0 140 216 140 140 216 140 140 216 140 140 216 140 144 212 140 144 212 140 144 212 140 144 212 140 144 212 140 144 212 140 144 208 140 148 208 140 148 208 140 148 208 140 148 208 140 148 208 140 148 204 140 148 204 140 152 204 140 152 204 140 152 204 140 152 204 140 152 200 140 152 200 140 152 200 140 156 200 140 156 200 140 156 200 140 156 200 140 156 196 140 156 196 140 156 196 140 156 196 140 160 196 140 160 196 140 160 192 140 160 192 140 160 192 140 160 192 140 160 192 140 164 192 140 164 188 140 164 188 140 164 188 140 164 188 140 164 188 140 164 188 140 168 184 140 168 184 140 168 184 140 168 184 140 168 184 140 164 180 136 164 180 136 164 176 136 160 176 132 160 176 132 160 172 132 160 172 132 156 172 132 156 168 128 156 168 128 156 168 128 156 164 128 152 164 128 152 164 124 152 160 124 152 160 124 152 160 124 148 156 124 148 156 120 148 156 120 148 152 120 144 152 120 144 152 120 144 148 116 144 148 116 144 148 116 140 144 116 140 144 116 140 144 112 140 140 112 136 140 112 136 140 112 136 136 112 136 136 108 136 136 108 132 132 108 132 132 108 132 132 104 132 128 104 128 128 104 128 128 104 128 124 104 128 124 100 128 124 100 124 120 100 124 120 100 124 120 100 124 116 96 124 116 96 120 116 96 120 112 96 120 112 96 120 112 92 116 108 92 116 108 92 116 108 92 116 104 92 116 104 88 112 104 88 112 100 88 112 100 88 112 100 88 108 96 84 108 96 84 108 96 84 108 92 84 108 92 84 104 88 80 104 88 80 104 88 80 104 84 80 100 84 80 100 84 76 100 80 76 100 80 76 100 80 76 96 76 76 96 76 72 96 76 72 96 72 72 96 72 72 92 72 72 92 68 68 92 68 68 92 68 68 88 64 68 88 64 68 88 64 64 88 60 64 88 60 64 84 60 64 84 56 64 84 56 60 84 56 60 80 52 60 80 52 60 80 52 60 80 48 56 80 48 56 76 48 56 76 44 56 76 44 52 76 44 52 72 40 52 72 40 52 72 40 52 72 36 48 72 36 48 68 36 48 68 32 48 68 32 48 68 32 44 68 28 44 64 28 44 64 28 44 64 24 44 64 24 40 60 24 40 60 20 40 60 20 40 60 20 40 60 16 36 56 16 36 56 16 36 56 12 36 56 12 36 52 12 32 52 8 32 52 8 32 60 16 36 68 24 44 76 32 48 84 40 52 92 48 60 104 60 64 112 68 68 120 76 76 128 84 80 136 92 84 144 100 92 152 108 96 160 116 100 168 124 104 176 132 112 184 140 116 196 152 120 204 160 128 212 168 132 220 176 136 228 184 144 236 192 148 224 184 136 216 176 128 204 168 116 192 160 104 188 156 104 184 152 104 180 148 100 176 140 100 172 136 96 164 132 96 160 128 92 156 120 92 152 116 88 148 112 88 144 108 84 140 104 84 136 96 80 128 92 80 124 88 76 120 84 76 116 80 76 112 72 72 108 68 72 104 64 68 100 60 68 92 52 64 88 48 64 84 44 60 80 40 60 76 36 56 72 28 56 68 24 52 64 20 52 56 16 48 52 8 48 48 4 44 44 0 44 56 4 52 64 4 56 76 8 64 84 12 68 96 12 76 108 16 84 116 20 88 128 20 96 136 24 100 148 28 108 160 28 116 168 32 120 180 36 128 188 36 132 200 40 140 -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 1:51 PM Hi folks Can anyone point me towards alien.map? I need to to render a .par properly and can't find it anywhere. Thanks -- Baxter baxter@trance.ednet.co.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tonton_th@mail.geocities.com Subject: (fractint) Xfractint Date: 15 Feb 1999 14:04:24 +0100 Hello. Where can I found the more up-to-date version of Xfractint sources ? Thierry. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin S. Franzus" Subject: (fractint) happy99 Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:51:00 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you.
I don't talk much but I read everything. --------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="bfranzus.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Benjamin S. Franzus Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="bfranzus.vcf" begin:vcard n:Franzus;Benjamin S. Franzus tel;home:706 265 1644 tel;work:706 265 1644 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Autocad Solutions And Programs adr:;;92 Norma Rd.;Dawsonville;Georgia;30534;USA version:2.1 email;internet:bfranzus@stc.net x-mozilla-cpt:;-19616 fn:Benjamin S. Franzus end:vcard --------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) CD Sale Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:49:11 -0500 I am having a half-price sale on my "Fractal Dimensions" CD-ROM. The pri= ce is $19.95 (plus $5 s&h) for a CD containing over 2500 of my Fractint images.= All pars are also included. Lee H. Skinner P.O. Box 14944 Albuquerque, NM 87191 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:02:57 +0100 Works for me. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- Posts A Par >At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm >>This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where >>you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated >>attachments, ever. > >The above link points nowhere, according to IE. >-- > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not >-() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight e." ------------------------------------------------- > -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net >_____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net >Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PKyleCA@aol.com Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:22:23 EST In a message dated 2/14/99 6:10:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, pderbysh@usa.net writes: << >Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm >This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where >you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated >attachments, ever. The above link points nowhere, according to IE. >> I tried registering three times and got nowhere in terms of downloading the trial version of the software. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99 Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:44:25 -0500 At 09:51 AM 2/15/1999 -0500, you wrote: > Thank you. >I don't talk much but I read everything. Attachment Converted: >"c:\program files\eudora\attach\bfranzus.vcf" What is this file extension .vcf I can't open it. Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally " Flying Frog Boomerangs" http://members.tripod.com/~afractal " Flying Frogs Fractals" http://www.netpath.net/~conally "Paradise" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PKyleCA@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Remark on Happy99 Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:31:36 EST In a message dated 2/14/99 7:28:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, pderbysh@usa.net writes: << >I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99" program. >The person who posted it has been removed from the list. >> See http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3093.html story and details for removal of worm from systems. Paul Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PKyleCA@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Manual removal of happy99.exe Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:36:43 EST Instructions for manual detection and removal http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM ( I tried registering three times at datafellows link and got nowhere) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Barnett Subject: RE: (fractint) Resource List Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:33:32 -0500 Please note that my web site is now http://www.hiddendimension.com and is no longer http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001. This migration occured over six months ago, and I have announced it several times. The Mapmaker utility is at http://www.hiddendimension.com. Click on DOWNLOADS to get to Mapmaker. The TrueMand fractal program with a formula parser is at the same location, and it is FREE! Source code is also available for the asking - it's old 16 bit stuff in C++. I don't think there is any Fractint code in there, except by parallel evoluation. By the way, I think the $35 charge for UltraFractal is appropriate. It is a great program. Ron Barnett -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, February 13, 1999 11:53 PM << File: _Fractint_Resource_List.txt; charset = iso-8859-2 >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin S. Franzus" Subject: (fractint) vcf Date: 15 Feb 1999 12:51:43 -0500 I apologize. That e-mail was not supposed to go to fractint. It was addressed solely to one person from the list. The vcf is just a signature type attachment.

B. Franzus Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Baxter Tocher Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for map Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:16:06 +0000 Ron Ron Barnett wrote: > here it is: > ------------------------ ALIEN.MAP STARTS HERE ----------------------- Thanks, Ron. Much appreciated. -- Baxter baxter@trance.ednet.co.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99 Date: 15 Feb 1999 20:39:41 +0100 V-Card. Digital business/calling card. Most recent readers can properly handle this. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >At 09:51 AM 2/15/1999 -0500, you wrote: >> Thank you. >>I don't talk much but I read everything. Attachment Converted: >>"c:\program files\eudora\attach\bfranzus.vcf" >What is this file extension .vcf I can't open it. >Tom Conally >In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. >Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice >till you find that throw >and become one with that boomerang! >http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally " Flying Frog Boomerangs" >http://members.tripod.com/~afractal " Flying Frogs Fractals" >http://www.netpath.net/~conally "Paradise" > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:48:37 +0100 I just downloaded and compiled it (linux). Yeah... the real time zooming is great (something for fractint?). Had to do it in a (??) 320x200 (??) window under X on my P166, but I was impressed. Like flying through space. Just great! Oh, something else. I am going to download the latest xfractint source right now. I promised I'd check whether it compiles on RH5.2 (I upgraded to kernel 2.2.1 but that shouldn't really matter). -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- Shauna asked: > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And, for the programmers, it is open source. Check out: http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Tim > > Another blast of bits from David > http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ > For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net > > Random Thought for this Nanosecond > I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRMoe@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99 Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:48:33 EST A note to Benjamin S. Franzus (bfranzus@stc.net.- While using and automated AOL session to quickly download my e-mail I was surprised to see an attached file being downloaded as attachments are discouraged on this list. Also to my dismay my virus protection software(Norton Anti-Virus) flashed a warning that this attachment contained a virus. The virus was identified as the "Happy 99 worm virus. I sincerely hope that the similarity between the announced subject and the name of the virus are coincidence and not an indication that the presence of the virus was deliberate, in which case you may want to do some maintenance on your machine. Please be more careful with your postings in the future. Tom Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clifford Hammerschmidt Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:07:07 -0800 >Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame. There are a >lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on >Windows. > Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow Linux users to run it... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRMoe@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:18:01 EST Paul, First, I have had great success with internet transactions using an ATM card (they mostly double as debit cards now and the vendors I've dealt with on the net accept them as credit cards.). Second, as a letter carrier for the US Postal Service, I have no problem with the term snail mail, or being thought of as slow in comparison to e-mail. I can't compete with nanosecond speeds, but I'm fairly certain that snail mail is just as reliable as e-mail if not more so and we can deliver hard copy. :-) I suspect that you make outrageous statements like these to generate list traffic. If so, it seems to work.:-) Tom Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) happy99 warning Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:43:24 -0600 Greetings fractint-digest member. A fractint list member uploaded as an attachment a program called happy99.exe. This program is a worm-style virus that can cause trouble if you attempt to open the attachment from within your mailer. The attachment is in fractint-digest issue #364 that was sent February 14. If you want to know more about this, you will find some other messages in the archive, including some links to web sites that tell how to get rid of it. Tim Wegner fractint list administrator Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Hershey (Volt Computer)" Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list? Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:48:41 -0800 Hmmm... How do you feel about the term, "going postal"? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 4:18 PM Paul, First, I have had great success with internet transactions using an ATM card (they mostly double as debit cards now and the vendors I've dealt with on the net accept them as credit cards.). Second, as a letter carrier for the US Postal Service, I have no problem with the term snail mail, or being thought of as slow in comparison to e-mail. I can't compete with nanosecond speeds, but I'm fairly certain that snail mail is just as reliable as e-mail if not more so and we can deliver hard copy. :-) I suspect that you make outrageous statements like these to generate list traffic. If so, it seems to work.:-) Tom Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: (fractint) Yet another Parallelogram par Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:42:14 -0600 In my last message, I noted that my Parallelogram formula was "slightly optimized." I tested the optimized version before sending it, and it seemed to work correctly. Naturally enough, I tried loading the same formula today to explore some more, and instead of my precious rectangle structure, I came up with a twisted Mandelbrot image. Interesting as this would have been at any other time, I wanted my formula back. Testing my two previous pars with the optimized formula yielded only one unremarkable image and one blank screen, so I suppose the "real" formula is of more use. Both the Parallelogram formula (correct) and the ParallelogramErr formula ("optimized") are posted below. Now, today's par, "City." This is certainly an interesting structure, quite unlike the Mandelbrot images I'm accustomed to working with. Hm, maybe if I zoom in closer I'll see the Fractal citizens walking the streets of this Fractal city. Ah well, for another day. :-) -------------------- City { ; by Nature Leseul reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=Parallelogram passes=t center-mag=-1.54110680436999900/+0.01101131233209416/3.327835e+008/0.753\ 6/90/44.734 float=y maxiter=10000 colors=000mmm<6>zzz<31>226004005<2>002000000<54>x00z00y00<46>000<28>wuX<\ 15>0r0<30>020000111<25>kkk } frm:Parallelogram { ;Nature Leseul z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel: z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1)) z = z1*z2 + c z1 = z1*z1 + c z2 = z2*z2 + c |z| < 4 } frm:ParallelogramErr { ;Nature Leseul z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel: z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) z = z1*z2 + c z1 = z1*z1 + c z2 = z2*z2 + c |z| < 4 } !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i! Nature Leseul i!i! i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i! i!i! make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns, i!i! i!i! and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You i!i! i!i! see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i! i!i! that it consumes all who approach it." i!i! !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: happy99 warning Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:49:49 -0600 Our Leader, Tim, wrote: > The attachment is in fractint-digest issue #364 that was sent February 14. Tim; Did you remove this message from the archives so that someone in the future won't download it, open it, and fall victim to it? Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Parallelogram Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:48:31 -0500 When you make a slight change to a formula, it helps to zoom ouf the imag= e to see if the interesting part of the fractal has moved slightly. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) My second par Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:16:30 -0500 A quasiperiodic tiling of Mandelbrots. PenroseMandel { reset=3D1950 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dpenrose.frm formulaname=3Dpen= mand1 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D172.95/65.3673/0.02882724 params=3D0.4/0 float=3D= y maxiter=3D1000 inside=3Dbof60 colors=3D000000<15>0c0<15>zzz<15>0c0<14>030000002<14>00c<15>zzz<15>00c<= 14>\ 003000022<14>0cc<15>zzz<15>0cc<14>033000200<13>`00c00d44<13>zzz<15>c00<= 1\ 4>300 } penmand1 { a=3D(-1)^.4, b=3Dpixel, c=3Dsin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))), b=3Db*a, c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))), b=3Db*a, c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))), b=3Db*a, c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))), b=3Db*a, c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))), c=3Dc*p1, z=3D0: z=3Dsqr(z)+c, |z|<=3D1000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:41:23 -1000 On 14 Feb 99 at 18:11, Ken Childress wrote: > Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a > shame. There are a lot of useful programs available > from a variety of sources that run on Windows. I know that - I run a few of them around here (several versions fo WordPerfect, several versions of CorelDraw and CorelPhotoPaint, etc). I even have TrueMand here - does some very nice images, but sometimes likes to leave blank lines when minimized. But I run OS/2 and W95 on the same box, and OS/2 runs faster and more smoothly. I suppose someday I'll have to download the Fractint source and see about compiling it to an OS/2 native. (Yes, I've futzed with the OS/2 version of WinFract - DOS Fractint beats it hands down.) Of course, I'm no programmer, so I'd probably just mess it all up ... Anyway, unless some experts are interested in producing a native OS/2 version of DOS Fractint, I suspect this is sufficiently offtopic to make it worth dumping my part of the discussion. Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond Anagramming, n. - Making sense out of scrambled information. Programming, n, - See Anagramming. (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shauna Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:36:01 -1000 Thanks - downloading the OS/2 version right now. On 14 Feb 99 at 20:11, Tim Wegner wrote: > Shauna asked: > > > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and > > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the > > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. > > Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, > Liunux, and now Windows. It's most unique feature is > real-time zooming. And, for the programmers, it is open > source. > > Check out: > > http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Another blast of bits from David http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net Random Thought for this Nanosecond The only way you'll *find* the place you want in society is to *make* the place you want in society. (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 12:09:29 +0100 I have tried that with an older version (?) of UF and an old version of WINE (!). Unsuccessful. But there may be a good chance. TieraZon for instance runs great under my wine. I'll try to run UF. Unfortunately I'll have to dl the binaries (I have the 990214 source, but not enough HD space to compile...) and try it again. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >>Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame. There are a >>lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on >>Windows. >> > >Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow >Linux users to run it... > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99 Date: 16 Feb 1999 06:46:32 -0500 At 09:51 AM 2/15/99 -0500, you wrote: > Thank you. >I don't talk much but I read everything. Attachment Converted: >"c:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\Temporary Stuff\Attachments\bfranzus1.vcf" AAAA! More attachments! -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: (fractint) first par post Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:05:48 -0500 OK guys I have been on the list for sometime and haven't contributed a par. Here is my first posted Fractint par I'll let you guys that understand the formulas do the formula manipulation for now. headdress.par headdress { ; Tom Conally 1999 reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=sin/sqr passes=t center-mag=+3.09702876164433700/-0.00000000030908016/4.164104e+007 params=0/0/10 float=y maxiter=1000 fillcolor=111 colors=000JwV<3>6sFZwj<5>v_oSsj<6>44nVvg<6>RQNZxf<5>vfGVzj<5>_wf`vebfZjM\ Ms19Yxg<6>ugNjDWWol<3>a4xX__Z8OZvh<4>uaWNlmFYp6JtVve<4>VaCUX6Wse<6>i06Gg\ q0PxLp`BeQ0VFWze<6>ht6Ook<2>0IqTvi<2>LidOud<2>1dK_tj<2>p_mSsf<5>ADEXod<2\ >dJMUwe<5>Oa6ZcpbGvTue<6>DL1VvjVqkZriVll<2>WYn<2>8jk<3>BdI<5>W4P<2>Q4iN5\ qMAq<5>Efs55n<5>uOt<4>lVikXfiYdg_ageahk`ir_<6>W7j<2>uLe<2>79T<6>oAYI9kim\ _X9L<4>BSK`cXbZUVrk<4>SBuPoe<3>04KZzi<5>xzaTkh<2>K3bTuk<6>FLuSzfPybMxZ } Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally " Flying Frog Boomerangs" http://members.tripod.com/~afractal " Flying Frogs Fractals" http://www.netpath.net/~conally "Paradise" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: updated web site Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:22:26 -0500 Debora, Many thanks for your kind comments. Gedeon Kivryn wrote: > Hi Gedeon, > > Just visited your pages and am very impressed. Gone thing I got a > cd-rw with my computer upgrade. :) I enjoyed all of your galleries, > not just the fractals. > > Debora > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 12, 1999 - two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos] Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:52:12 +0100 I have compiled xfractint.... unsuccessfully. I haven't really been debugging it yet, but this is what I get. I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest), RH5.2, kernel 2.2.1. Turned on -O3 optimization btw. No other options changed. general.c:12: bstring.h not found. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >I just downloaded and compiled it (linux). > >Yeah... the real time zooming is great (something for fractint?). Had to do >it in a (??) 320x200 (??) window under X on my P166, but I was impressed. >Like flying through space. Just great! > >Oh, something else. I am going to download the latest xfractint source right >now. I promised I'd check whether it compiles on RH5.2 (I upgraded to kernel >2.2.1 but that shouldn't really matter). > >-- > >Dean-Christian Strik > ICQ: 11760568 > dean2@bigfoot.com >cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl > >Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the >microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can >tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Wegner >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Date: maandag 15 februari 1999 03 09 Fluxen >Subject: (fractint) Xaos > > >Shauna asked: > >> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and >> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the >> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. > >Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and >now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And, >for the programmers, it is open source. > >Check out: > >http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ > >Tim > > >> >> Another blast of bits from David >> http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ >> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net >> >> Random Thought for this Nanosecond >> I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop. >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" >> > >http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos] Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:13:01 -0500 At 04:52 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote: >I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest) I hate to break the bad news to you, but the latest GCC is 2.8.1 and there's also EGCS. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:18:37 +0100 I can't find the windows version. -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- Shauna asked: > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them. Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And, for the programmers, it is open source. Check out: http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Tim > > Another blast of bits from David > http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ > For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:hisurf@aloha.net > > Random Thought for this Nanosecond > I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos] Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:20:59 +0100 With gcc "2.7.(latest)" I mean the latest 2.7 release. I have 2.8.1 as well, but as you very well know, it's not that perfect.... -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- >At 04:52 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote: > >>I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest) > >I hate to break the bad news to you, but the latest GCC is 2.8.1 and >there's also EGCS. > >-- > .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not >-() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a > `*' straight e." ------------------------------------------------- > -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net >_____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net >Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 09:59:09 -0800 (PST) Tim, > > Only in the last stage I have added a feature > > to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the > > formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas. > > > > Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to > > do this without looking at the source, just by following the help > > text and trying some parameter sets to be sure. > > However, in a more general way I could have been talking about > Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in > developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much > in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of > Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be > possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were > within your rights to do this). Doesn't this happen with virtually all competing (similar) programs? I certainly don't condone stealing of anyone's code, but I see that this is merely the natural competition between similar programs as they evolve. It happens all the time with Netscape/IE, Word/WordPerfect, etc., etc., etc. > I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills > have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI > C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do > any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other > team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is > dead. This would be a shame, but is understandable. Personally, being tied to the text based IF is what limits my using Fractint more. I certainly love it for generating images from PARs people post, though. > Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a > worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know. Well, UF could certainly evolve into such a thing, at least on the Windows platform, though it may not be open source. One a program enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite a major task. Maybe one could study PoVRay to learn what they have done and apply it to Fractint's future. > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many > platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my > efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features > with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges > Fractint generously. Is there a link to the Windows version? I haven't been able to find it. > I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux, > POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone > one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not > even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this. I think these efforts are wonderful. I hope they are able to continue. I also understand the reasons why people choose to go the commercial or shareware routes. > The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of > hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work > because your program is not open source. I am not saying you are > making the wrong decision, or that the situation should be > otherwise, I am just saying that it's a fact: we won't be able to > benefit from your work. We knew this was a possibility going in, we > took the risk with our eyes wide open, so we can't complain. I'm not so sure this is totally accurate. Did Frederik study the source code? If not, then you can benefit from UF just as much as he may have benefitted from Fractint. One can benefit greatly simply by studying documentation, help files, UI layout, etc. without having access to the source. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: (fractint) Questions about Fractint Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:04:06 -0300 Please, anyone up there can help? I have two questions about Fractint: 1) I have seen parameter files where a background/border in a different color is drawn, but I can't get one. How is it done? 2) Why many (not all) lyapunov fractals are drawn with the "1" option in the x screen, in spite of having specified "g"? Thanks a lot! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:04:17 -0800 (PST) Tim, > The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or > should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we > write open source, free software, when others will look at our code, > even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate > our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed > source program? People can incorporate your features regardless of the availability of the source. Though, to answer your question, I would think the answer might depend upon whether or not the developers of Fracint want to benefit financially from their efforts. Or, at least attempt to. If your philosophy is to keep the development open, and make the source available, then you continue to do so out of principle fully realizing the risk of others studying the code and doing as you might fear. Either way, I would support your decision. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frederik Slijkerman" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:59:40 +0100 > Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow > Linux users to run it... If anyone can get UF to work with Linux, I would be interested to hear about it. Best regards, Frederik. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frederik Slijkerman" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:29:33 +0100 Tim, > I installed Ultrafractal > yesterday for a quick look, and it is obviously a program with a > completely different design and implementation. Ok, thanks. :) > However, in a more general way I could have been talking about > Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in > developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much > in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of > Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be > possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were > within your rights to do this). That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the documentation. In the same fashion other developers can benefit from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available. People can see how I have extended the formula language, how I have implemented the interface, etc. The most important design issues are plainly visible from the outside. And the other decisions can be made by every decent programmer, I think. Furthermore, I think it is very difficult to understand source code written by others (especially if it's not very well commented :-)). So in my experience it is usually more efficient to write things yourself than by copying it from others. At least when you know how to do it. > Unless we get an infusion > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is > dead. That's a pity. But I can very well understand that working on Fractint is not as fun and exciting for you anymore as it as been ten years ago. Ten years is a long period to work on a project. > The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of > hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work > because your program is not open source. This is not true, as I have pointed out above. Best regards, Frederik. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos] Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:07:44 -0500 At 06:20 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote: >With gcc "2.7.(latest)" I mean the latest 2.7 release. > >I have 2.8.1 as well, but as you very well know, it's not that perfect.... EGCS is good, except for a nagging exception bug (this prints a bogus error: void (*func) (void) throw (); ... Stroustrup 3rd Ed clearly states that an exception specification on a function pointer is legitimate). -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: One of the two questions about Fractint Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:59:37 -0500 The option for coloring the boundaries in Boundary Tracing is inaptly nam= ed Fill Color. (?!) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: One of the two questions about Fractint Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:27:45 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 2:04:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, 110144.2274@compuserve.com writes: > The option for coloring the boundaries in Boundary Tracing is inaptly named > Fill Color. (?!) Umm, that's the color used to fill in the often fairly large spaces outlined by the boundaries (or the spaces sometimes left with the Tesseral option). "B" instead of 1, 2, G, etc. sets the Boundary Tracing option. ("T" sets Tesseral.) Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Wilson Subject: (fractint) Re: READ THIS NOW. Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:59:50 -0800 Hi Clifford, Sunday, February 14, 1999, you wrote: CH> Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm CH> This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where CH> you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated CH> attachments, ever. CH> At 08:16 PM 2/14/99 +0000, John Wilson wrote: >> >>Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Happy99.exe" And I want to thank you for your input. I've written to Tim as follows: SNIP xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter. Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group. Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than Fractint members realize. As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses. ------------------------------------------------- Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder. Note the date; actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th. This old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago. Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote: NL> Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this NL> formula. I NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I NL> don't know all NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram NL> structure here is NL> kinda interesting. Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me. I found this an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually fascinating, in some of these zooms. Closing drapes and rolling carpets! Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the results significantly! John W. Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to those members of your group who offered constructive and informative comment on my problem. Their input enabled me to clean up my two computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail a large number of people with my e-mail address change. I bless these smart guys from the bottom of my heart! SNIP xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks again, John W. mailto:johnw1@attcanada.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Wilson Subject: Re[2]: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:21:45 -0800 Hello davides, Sunday, Sunday, February 14, 1999, you wrote: d> Received from John Wilson the below, in which there was no par, simply the d> Happy99.exe worm. d> Tim - remove either Mr. Wilson from this list or me. Your choice. (Please read the headers, which you carefully copied. Note the ****RE*** at the beginning of the subject. This indicates that my message was a *reply* to that "Mad Lurker" title, and NOT my original). I have written to Tim as follows... SNIP xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter. Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group. Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than Fractint members realize. As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses. ------------------------------------------------- Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder. Note the date; actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th. This old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago. Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote: NL> Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this NL> formula. I NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I NL> don't know all NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram NL> structure here is NL> kinda interesting. Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me. I found this an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually fascinating, in some of these zooms. Closing drapes and rolling carpets! Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the results significantly! John W. Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to those members of your group who offered constructive and informative comment on my problem. Their input enabled me to clean up my two computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail a large number of people with my e-mail address change. I bless these smart guys from the bottom of my heart! SNIP xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx John W. mailto:johnw1@attcanada.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:02:36 -0600 John Wilson informs me that he has now cleaned up his machine, so I am putting him back on the fractint list. When I took him off the list after the worm-infected happy99 file sent itself to the list from his machine, I told him I would put him back on as soon as he told me his machine was clean. Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story. I guess I need not say this again, but folks should NEVER run an executable attached to an email message. Here is another good link telling what to do about the worm. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion, and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic". Tim Wegner ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:32:57 -0800 Send reply to: John Wilson As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter. Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group. Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than Fractint members realize. As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses. ------------------------------------------------- Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder. Note the date; actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th. This old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago. Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote: NL> Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this NL> formula. I NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I NL> don't know all NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram NL> structure here is NL> kinda interesting. Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me. I found this an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually fascinating, in some of these zooms. Closing drapes and rolling carpets! Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the results significantly! John W. Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to those members of your group who offered constructive and informative comment on my problem. Their input enabled me to clean up my two computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail a large number of people with my e-mail address change. I bless these smart guys from the bottom of my heart! John W. mailto:johnw1@attcanada.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pedro A. O. Lopes" Subject: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The price of Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:35:30 +0000 Ken Childress wrote: > > Tim, > > (...) > > > I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills > > have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI > > C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do > > any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other > > team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion > > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new > > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of > > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is > > dead. > > This would be a shame, but is understandable. Personally, being tied > to the text based IF is what limits my using Fractint more. I certainly > love it for generating images from PARs people post, though. I agree that fractint must break free of DOS if it is going to keep up with the host of fractal programs that are out there. I really think the best way to do this would be to throw all UI related stuff out, leaving the "core" functionality to be accessed through a well defined programming interface (something like set_parameter(...) / get_parameter(...) / execute_command(...) ). Then, in good Open Source style, anyone could volunteer to support a GUI as a front end to this library, for any variety of environments, more or less independently of the core fractint development. Of course any changes of this kind will probably require a big reorganization of the code, and some careful design (easier said than done...). Judging from what I remember of the fractint source (during a hunt for a piece of code I wanted to borrow, no less...) this may not be easy - it's pretty hairy stuff - globals everywhere, DOS related niceties such as overlays... As for GUI programming it's not that big a deal. I guess a simple Windows interface with the same functionality as the one fractint currently has would be pretty simple to do. I've never programmed for X-Windows, but it shouldn't be any more difficult. I certainly don't think fractint is dead. Maybe it has fallen behind a little in terms display related features, but it's still the most complete and powerful fractal program IMO. I keep reading things like "yeah, I do most exploring in fractint and then I import the par into XXXX for coloring and retouching...". As for "what it represents" if you mean Open Source, I think it's never been more alive! > > Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a > > worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know. > > Well, UF could certainly evolve into such a thing, at least on the > Windows platform, though it may not be open source. One a program > enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite > a major task. Maybe one could study PoVRay to learn what they have done > and apply it to Fractint's future. That's one of the biggest advantages of the approach I suggested above: if you keep the GUI well separated, the rest of the C code will tend to be pretty standard and easily portable - although the heavy use of assembly might complicate things (at least it will make non x86 ports impossible). > (...) > > > I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux, > > POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone > > one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not > > even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this. We seem to have similar tastes in sofware :) Linux and Pov-Ray are perhaps the best examples of how far the Open Source model can go, and Fractint is not very far behind. If the DOS lock-in can be broken once and for all, and there are enough people wanting to use it (I must believe there are), then there will also be people willing to keep the project going. > (...) > -- ---------------------- Pedro A. O. Lopes (paol@mail.teleweb.pt) ---------------------- Yo-yo: Something occasionally up but normally down (see also "computer") ---------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgen H Bell" Subject: (fractint) Fractint in DOS Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:26:19 -0500 I like Fractint better than any of my Windows-based fractal generators because working with the keyboard is faster than using the mouse. I think Fractint in windows would be great as long as it kept all the keyboard shortcut commands. Morgen http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Orion/4798 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Wilson Subject: Re: (fractint) An apology (2) Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:49:28 -0800 Hello Tim, Tuesday, February 16, 1999, you wrote: TW> Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story. I guess I need TW> not say this again, but folks should NEVER run an executable TW> attached to an email message. . . TW> I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion, TW> and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic". Here's the sequence of events that led to disaster... Firstly, my wife and I run separate stations, with separate ISP accounts. I'm in the process of changing both, from Netpointer to Attcanada. I'm also in the process of changing my mailer from Outlook Express to "The Bat". During part of the checkout of the systems, I went over to my spouse's computer, grabbed a file...any large file...and sent it over to my station. Then I returned to my own computer and checked my attcanada mail for a message from netpointer. All was well, and a file had arrived. Happy99??? Oh, that must have been a New Years card that my wife had received...Hmmmm, singularly uninteresting CGA-type fireworks reminiscent of old Apple II graphics...dump it. Now back to Fractint...Soon I had 54 messages of pain and outrage, and Nature Leseul's humorous Subject heading looked particularly bad in context! I took the advice of Fractint experts, and downloaded F-SECURE Anti-Virus by Data Fellows Ltd., with their Happy99 update. This cleaned up both systems promptly, after I had bungled a manual cleanup on my own system. Lessons learned; 1. Don't trust even your wife's computer files! Apparently that thing had been in her computer since the New Year, unopened. (It apparently went un-noticed in many computers around January 1) I was the fool who sent it to my system, and then opened it. Our out-of-date McAfee didn't even notice this worm. 2. Don't be complacent if your virus checker is more than a few months old. 3. In my case, Happy99 did NOT attach itself to a message...it completely dumped my message into the "SENT" folder, and used just the address to send itself to Fractint. It also appears to have changed the date "Created", from February 14, 1999, to sometime in 1998, (unless, Nature Leseul's clock is incorrect???). This effectively hid the "sent" file back in history. 4. The manual cleanup procedure is tricky. WIN95 wouldn't let me delete the infected wsock32.dll and replace it with a renamed wsock32.ska. This has to be done in DOS mode. I stumbled during the swap/rename/delete procedure, and ended up re-installing WIN95 to ensure that I had the *correct* file! I am not normally a person given to intemperate language, but I will confess to a certain immoderation before my computer was back on line. In conclusion, I apologize again, abjectly, for letting this thing loose in Fractint. Please check your computers for those tell-tale .SKA files in your WIN System folder...I wouldn't wish this on anyone else. John W. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:49:56 -0500 At 07:02 PM 2/16/1999 -0600, you wrote: >John Wilson informs me that he has now cleaned up his machine, >Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story. >I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion, >and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic". > >Tim Wegner >From: John Wilson >Send reply to: John Wilson >To: twegner@phoenix.net >Subject: An apology > >As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter. > >Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for >the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group. (Snipped) I would like to be among the first to welcome Mr. Wilson back, and to also offer an apology for flying off the end as I did. By way of explanation, I would mention that I had received that worm twice at home, more times at work, and had gotten a little ticked off at the situation. So... I imagine I offended Mr. Wilson and probably others; I again apologize for being most unconstructive. davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:16:29 -0600 Hi Frederik, > > However, in a more general way I could have been talking about > > Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in > > developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much > > in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of > > Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be > > possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were > > within your rights to do this). > > That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source > code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the > documentation. Sure you can. You don't see my point, maybe I didn't explain it well. Fractint is the result of contributions from many people. People cannot and will not contribute to closed source commercial programs except in a very general way (unless, of course, you make them partners). It is precisely because Fractint is open source that it developed into something full featured enough that you would want to emulate it. The parser is in Fractint because Mark Peterson put it there, and Chuck Ebbert and George Martin extended it. They were able to do that only because Fractint is open source. Ultra Fractal then implemented the result of their work. The fact that you did it without reference to the source is irrelevant. (remember I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong.) > In the same fashion other developers can benefit > from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available. I don't see the point here. We are inundated with mail about ideas for doing things in Fractint (have you seen the Fractint Wish List Web page?). We don't need ideas. We already have more ideas than we can implement. We need help from people who can contribute implementation. > Furthermore, I think it is very difficult to understand source > code written by others (especially if it's not very well commented > :-)). Difficult for some, easy for others. I used to get email every week from hotshot students who would ask "where is Fractint's source? I will port it to Unix by next Tuesday." Bert Tyler's joke is that Fractint was the Bermuda triangle of porting efforts. Of course I never heard from any of these hotshot students again. Then one day I got an email from Ken Shirriff, saying "I have ported Fractint to Unix. How can I send you the code?" There are teenagers who have mastered Fractint's code and sent us major contributions. It is a strange fact of intellectual life that each of us has a unique set of problems that are easy or are hard for us. I could tell you stories like that about many different contributors. >So in my experience it is usually more efficient to write > things yourself than by copying it from others. At least when > you know how to do it. I have met programmers who share your preference, particularly when they are very expert on a platform. > > Unless we get an infusion > > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new > > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of > > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is > > dead. > > That's a pity. But I can very well understand that working on > Fractint is not as fun and exciting for you any more as it as been > ten years ago. Ten years is a long period to work on a project. No, it is just as fun and exciting as ever. The problem is the aging platform. We have squeezed an amazing amount into the medium model of Fractint, but we near a dead end. It is a very non-trivial matter to move from conventional C programming to Windows programming. I could do it if I had the opportunity to learn at work. Then programming Fractint in my spare time under Windows would be easy. I don't have time to learn WIndows programming outside of work. I haven't given up. There are many ways to go. I may even become a decent Windows programmer before I die :-) > > The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of > > hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work > > because your program is not open source. > > This is not true, as I have pointed out above. We have a different perspective on this. We can respectfully agree to disagree. My view is that open source, international teamwork, and "Stone Soup" is the essence of what Fractint is. I'm not surprised that a bright programmer with expertise on a modern platform can recast the functionality of fractint into a more modern architecture. I am just selfish enough that I wish someone would do that while continuing the Fractint open source legacy. Then I might even contribute to it or be part of the team! But as I said before, the fact that I hold this opinion doesn't mean that you are bound by it. Team freeware programming is not for everyone. Only those of us who are idealistic and crazy. The Fractint team is still having a blast putzing around with their baby. I've been threatening for weeks to just release our current developer version as a "public beta" we may just up and do that. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:16:29 -0600 Ken wrote: > People can incorporate your features regardless of the availability of > the source. They sure can. But the features would never have been developed if the program weren't open source. I can't get excited about commercial fractal programs, although the artists might have a different point of view. BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other programns. The main reason is that we have been kept busy with our own imagination and integrating contributions, so we don't look at other programs. Our problem now is the weight of legacy code in an old environment that does not excite younger programmers. > Though, to answer your question, I would think the answer might depend > upon whether or not the developers of Fracint want to benefit > financially from their efforts. Or, at least attempt to. Some of us did benefit financially via writing books, but we paid a price: Fractint's progress slowed. Quite frankly, I don't think there is significant money to be made in a shareware or commercial fractal program. But never say never, someone with the right concept and marketing plan might succeed. > If your philosophy is to keep the development open, and make the source > available, then you continue to do so out of principle fully realizing > the risk of others studying the code and doing as you might fear. Exactly. We made this decision a long time ago. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:14:31 -0500 Finally, a happy ending to a most unhappy thread. I for one never thought this virus was transmitted knowingly. Don't you guys forget "there but by the grace of God go I." Also don't forget that by the mis-stroke of one finger you can send a private e-mail to a whole list. Boy, it's really a bad feeling when that private email was a dirty joke you were sending to a friend and you just sent it to your church membership list by mistake. OK back to fractals!!! >>Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for >>the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group. > >(Snipped) > >I would like to be among the first to welcome Mr. Wilson back, and to also >offer an apology for flying off the end as I did. By way of explanation, I >would mention that I had received that worm twice at home, more times at >work, and had gotten a little ticked off at the situation. > >So... I imagine I offended Mr. Wilson and probably others; I again >apologize for being most unconstructive. > > > > Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! Boomerangs http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally Paradise http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Fractal Images http://members.tripod.com/~afractal Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: happy99 warning Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:31:31 -0600 Bob wote: > Our Leader, Tim, wrote: I'm the leader am I? I thought I was the list administrator, who is a sort of a public slave > Did you remove this message from the archives so that someone in the > future won't download it, open it, and fall victim to it? I can't do this because I don't have an xmission account. I have brought this to the attention of xmission. I don't know if they will consider it worth doing. It doesn't look to bad. If you view the archive with a browser, you see the uuencoded file. Maybe there is software that would see it as an attachment, but on my system, I'd have to save the web page as a file, edit out the uuencoded part, uudecode it, and run it. I will follow up. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:28:53 -0600 <> Here's to idealism and craziness! :-) To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint. It's certainly easy enough to use once you learn all the commands, and although when I first started out I was really irritated at the difficulty of the keyboard commands, I'm now even more irritated when I can't use the keyboard to zoom. (Although XaoS's realtime zooming is certainly a cool thing that I'd like to see in future Fractints.) I can see where conversion to a Windows platform could improve the performance and allow more capabilities in the program, but the DOS version is certainly always going to have a special place in my heart. I just wish I could program worth bleep so I could contribute source to this dream of free source. (Sheesh, if I can't even get a scrolling map to work correctly for a game, how am I supposed to get anywhere with something as complex as Fractint? :-P I actually tried to create a fractal generator of my own in a bored moment in BASIC class, but I discovered that I had virtually no idea where to go after implementing complex arithmetic.) !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i! Nature Leseul i!i! i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i! i!i! make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns, i!i! i!i! and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You i!i! i!i! see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i! i!i! that it consumes all who approach it." i!i! !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Xylen Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:34:31 -0700 Tom Conally wrote: > > Finally, a happy ending to a most unhappy thread. I for one never thought > this virus was transmitted knowingly. Don't you guys forget "there but by > the grace of God go I." There is one more good thing from all this. Because of the uproar, I knew what to do when a friend mentioned she had gotten "a neat little fireworks thingy from a friend." I lost no time at all in getting on ICQ and finding out that it was indeed Happy99. She had the problem fixed before her husband came home and started emailing his clients. Both of us now have update anti-virus programs as well. Let me add a hearty welcome back to John also. Not many people on the list become famous after a single post. :) Xylen -- Lottery---a tax on the mathematically illiterate http://members.tripod.com/~Xylen Fight Spam! Join CAUCE! == http://www.cauce.org/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:49:33 -0600 Blechhh! I wrote: > BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other > programns. I meant to write: " BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint **programmers** look at other programs." The fractint artists certainly DO look at other programs!!! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Re: an apology Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:57:34 -0500 Welcome back John Wilson, and I am going to be one of the few, if not the only one, who will offer you thanks for sending that worm or virus!!! You have, in effect, resolved a quarrel between myself and my son! The thing is, that two days before yours arrived, I received Happy99 from my son. Now I NEVER execute programs, even if they come from family, so I asked him what it is and why he sent it and where he got it from. He replied rather testily that he did not send it, but even if he did, I shouldn't think that he would send me harmful stuff; why am I so suspicious?! I replied even more testily that, by golly he did send it, because it had his heading on the message! As fathers and sons are apt to do even over trivial matters. soon we were nearly quarreling!! And then came John's Happy99 which cleared everything up. My son and I are back on good terms! Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 12, 1999 - two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 00:28:45 -0500 (EST) At 10:28 PM 2/16/99 -0600, NL wrote: >To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint. I second this opinion, or perhaps I should say I fifth it. I have Fractint v-19.61 (the alpha version of v-20.0, with buggy evolver), installed on five machines. Fractint is not the world's fastest fractal generator, it's just the best. (Differing opinions welcome.) Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:31:33 -0800 (PST) Tim, > > BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other > > programns. > > I meant to write: > > " BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint **programmers** > look at other programs." > > The fractint artists certainly DO look at other programs!!! I was wondering... That comment seemed a little odd to me. :-) Ken... P.S. As a programmer myself, I've downloaded source to programs where it is available. The only problem is, they don't also come with the time to study them. :-( Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:52:21 -0600 Jim wrote: > >To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint. > > I second this opinion, or perhaps I should say I fifth it. I > have Fractint v-19.61 (the alpha version of v-20.0, with buggy > evolver), installed on five machines. Fractint is not the world's > fastest fractal generator, it's just the best. (Differing opinions > welcome.) I get messages all the time about how Fractint is "the greatest" which I take with a grain of salt. However I confess that your message really made me feel good - thanks! I should add that nothing makes the fractint programmers work harder and burn the midnight oil later working on fractint than the requests and suggestions from artists they respect. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKarl52884@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:51:19 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 11:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, nleseul@zurich.crosswinds.net writes: << Here's to idealism and craziness! :-) >> Bravo! Steve Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 00:13:17 -0700 (MST) > The Fractint team is still having a blast putzing around with their > baby. I've been threatening for weeks to just release our current > developer version as a "public beta" we may just up and do that. > > Tim Wegner Tim, Please do! If you've been watching the Ultra Fractal list, you've seen that a great many improvements, bug fixes and artistic tools came to light because Frederik made the UF betas public. I've felt a twinge of guilt ever since I started working more with UF than with Fractint, and even though I'm not a (real) programmer, I've got my own legacy of Fractint code built up. I'd love to continue to contribute to the Fractint effort, even if it's only in the "aftermarket" of formulas and coloring schemes. (I did once contribute some complex math formulas that Tim included, but that doesn't really count.) Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frederik Slijkerman" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:30:40 +0100 Hi Tim, > > That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source > > code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the > > documentation. > > Sure you can. You don't see my point, maybe I didn't explain it > well. Fractint is the result of contributions from many people. > People cannot and will not contribute to closed source commercial > programs except in a very general way (unless, of course, you > make them partners). It is precisely because Fractint is open > source that it developed into something full featured enough that > you would want to emulate it. I see your point here. In the case of Fractint, this is certainly true. But a program doesn't necessarily have to be open source to evolve into something others want to emulate. Take Adobe Photoshop, for example. It isn't open source, yet every other serious photo processing tool has incorporated layering since Photoshop showed it for the first time. This is because you don't need to look at the source code to understand how it is done. But I agree open source software will usually evolve faster. > > In the same fashion other developers can benefit > > from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available. > > I don't see the point here. We are inundated with mail about ideas > for doing things in Fractint (have you seen the Fractint Wish List > Web page?). We don't need ideas. We already have more ideas > than we can implement. Right, in that case only time can help you out. :) > No, it is just as fun and exciting as ever. The problem is the aging > platform. We have squeezed an amazing amount into the medium > model of Fractint, but we near a dead end. It is a very non-trivial > matter to move from conventional C programming to Windows > programming. Hm. Perhaps you could try to use C++ Builder, the C variant of Delphi. In my experience, it takes away the problems of Windows GUI programming, so you can concentrate on getting the program to work instead. But inevitably you will have to spend some training hours. :) > We have a different perspective on this. We can respectfully agree > to disagree. OK. :) Best regards, Frederik. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:48:11 +1300 At 01:35 17/02/99 +0000, Pedro A. O. Lopes wrote: >Ken Childress wrote: > >I agree that fractint must break free of DOS if it is going to keep up >with the host of fractal programs that are out there. I really think the >best way to do this would be to throw all UI related stuff out, leaving >the "core" functionality to be accessed through a well defined programming >interface (something like set_parameter(...) / get_parameter(...) / >execute_command(...) ). Then, in good Open Source style, anyone could >volunteer to support a GUI as a front end to this library, for any variety >of environments, more or less independently of the core fractint >development. > I agree that this is probably the best direction to take: chuck the UI stuff (and a few other bits like printing) - which tend to be the most platform-dependent parts anyway - and write front-ends (hopefully with full open source!) to plug into the Fractint engine. This of course is basically the approach taken in POV-Ray, with the raytracing engine itself being the work of the POV-Ray team, and the Windows interface being by Christopher Cason. The Windows interface, incidentally, is not completely open source; some portions remain closed. Since Tim Wegner is himself a member of this team, he is in a much better position than I to judge the pros and cons and feasibility of taking Fractint down the same path. How do you take it, Tim? At present I think this may well be the way to go. Morgan L. Owens PS. No need to go overboard with new stuff straight away; just get Fractint doing what it did under DOS first. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:47:51 +0100 I said I'd try (and I will), but wine 990214 requires mesa3d, and my .tar.gz was corrupted :( so I have to redl and compile it first. More about it tonight (CET!). -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- > >> Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow >> Linux users to run it... > >If anyone can get UF to work with Linux, I would be interested to hear >about it. > >Best regards, >Frederik. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what? Date: 18 Feb 1999 01:35:22 +1100 Here's a couple of formulas and a few example images for an equation that I ripped out of a book that I'm reading at the moment. I don't have the stamina to go through all of the existing Fractint formulas to see if I'm repeating anything. I've named the formulas after a mathematician who investigated this stuff in 1879 but gave up because he presumably didn't have a Pentium. Apparently the equation uses Newton's method to solve a family of cubic polynomials...I'm just repeating what I read, I don't really understand it. With the constant at (0,0) the Julia version of the formula looks the same as the Fractint "Newton", but with some other constants there are points that don't fall to any of the roots. That much was said in the book, but I wasn't expecting the form that those points can take: little copies of classic Julia sets. The Mandelbrot version of the formula has the Mandelbrot shape embedded in a cardioid ring of Newton like chains. To find the Julia sets zoom in close to the boundary of one of the Mandelbrot forms and use the center coordinates for the constant in the Julia version. Anyway, I thought it was interesting. Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Cayley.par ------------------------------------------------ frm:Cayley-mand { ; Mark Townsend, 17 Feb 1999 ; Always use floating point math and turn ; periodicity checking off. ;************************* z = oldz = 0, a = pixel: ;************************* oldz = z z = (2 * z * z * z - (a - 1)) / (3 * z * z - a) |z - oldz| >= 0.00001 } frm:Cayley-jul { ; Mark Townsend, 17 Feb 1999 ; Always use floating point math and turn ; periodicity checking off. ;***************************** z = pixel, a = p1, oldz = 0: ;***************************** oldz = z z = (2 * z * z * z - (a - 1)) / (3 * z * z - a) |z-oldz| >= 0.00001 } Cayley-m1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Cayley-mand center-mag=1.26284/0.0150945/0.4423676 float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 colors=@goodega.map cyclerange=0/255 } Cayley-m2 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Cayley-mand center-mag=-0.00820288/0.967066/15.57632 float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 colors=@goodega.map cyclerange=0/255 } Cayley-j1 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Cayley-jul center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=@goodega.map cyclerange=0/255 } Cayley-j2 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=cayley-jul center-mag=0.0101139/0.00328321/7.496691 params=-0.01105/0.97048 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=@blues.map cyclerange=0/255 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint in DOS Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:19:07 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 8:27:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, morgenb@cobweb.net writes: > I like Fractint better than any of my Windows-based fractal generators > because working with the keyboard is faster than using the mouse. I think > Fractint in windows would be great as long as it kept all the keyboard > shortcut commands. I feel the same! I started out with Winfract because a friend gave me the disk and book. But I didn't get really moving till I d/l'd Fractint. I also found it much easier to learn (okay, figure out.......*slowly,* not being any kind of programmer etc., just a person with some eye for color and design). I have Xaos, UltraFractal and now TieraZon but haven't had time to work with them. I have never found I didn't have "time" to work with Fractint! Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:29:22 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 9:33:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, nleseul@zurich.crosswinds.net writes: > I can see where conversion to a > Windows platform could improve the performance and allow more capabilities > in the program, but the DOS version is certainly always going to have a > special place in my heart. Agreed! I'm wondering if a DOS emulation could be written into the impending Windows version????? Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:34:42 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 10:31:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, jamth@mindspring.com writes: > Fractint is not the world's > fastest fractal generator, it's just the best. (Differing opinions > welcome.) You won't get another opinion from me! Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: (fractint) DOS versus Windows Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:42:43 -0300 I tried to use Ultra Fractal, but felt the DOS interface more appealing than the Windows one. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee&SusanLane Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:09:37 -0800 Frederik, I downloaded Ultra Fractal a couple weeks ago, before your recent interchanges with Tim Wegner. I was very impressed by Tim's comments on the rewards of the community project that created Fractint and of the pleasure and excitement it has brought to its community of users. Your proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money. Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but the best bargain I ever got. Lee Lane Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 08:17:24 -0800 (PST) Lee, > I downloaded Ultra Fractal a couple weeks ago, before your recent > interchanges with Tim Wegner. I was very impressed by Tim's comments on > the rewards of the community project that created Fractint and of the > pleasure and excitement it has brought to its community of users. Your > proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF > off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money. IMO, that is a shame. While UF certainly lacks some features of Fractint that are desireable, UF is a fantastic program. These programs are tools. Tools that can be used for amusement, learning, or to create some very impressive art. The developers of one of the tools have chosen to keep it's development fully open. Others, Frederik, specifically, have chosen not to. So what? There are going to be fractal programs in the future that will incorporate some of the features that UF has, probably layering being one of the first. Does that make UF any less useful? I've tried several of the programs available. By far, Fractint and UF are the easiest to use, and most powerful, IMO. Of the Windows programs I've tried, UF is so easy to use it is almost ridiculous. The problem with UF is that there are so many powerful features that it takes a while to learn them. However, the great thing, I think, is that there are those like Tim (and all the contributors to Fractint), Frederik, and others who are willing to spend the time to create such outstanding tools that the rest of us can play with. It doesn't matter to me if the tool is freeware, shareware, or has source code available. If I like the tool, I'll use it. Just as I do with any other tool for any other purpose. The great thing is the choice, and the competition driving people to make better tools. > Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 > from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but > the best bargain I ever got. Mine too. However, $35 for UF is a bargin and worth every cent. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Haxton Subject: (fractint) DOS v Windows Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:10:43 -0000 I have downloaded and played with several of the Windows generators on I have seen mentioned on the list, but I find that for a novice to the world of fractals like my self, the interface was not intuitive enough. I am very surprised at this as I work with Windows every day and also have to program in Windows at times. I find that the Fractint interface is a delight to use and fairly intuitive for a newbie like myself. My thanks to the team for all the thought that has obviously gone into making the interface easy for a novice to enjoy creating fractals, but also allowing the more experienced users to use their creative skills to the full. Thanks Bruce Haxton Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vyvey Jan Subject: AW: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 17:40:17 +0100 Hi, I have one conclusion in this discussion of fractal software: Everybody should print the following text (from Ken) in BIG letters en hang it on the wall near to his computer screen. >However, the great thing, I think, is that there are those like Tim (and >all the contributors to Fractint), Frederik, and others who are willing >to spend the time to create such outstanding tools that the rest of us >can play with. It doesn't matter to me if the tool is freeware, >shareware, or has source code available. If I like the tool, I'll use >it. Just as I do with any other tool for any other purpose. The great >thing is the choice, and the competition driving people to make better >tools. Greatings to all fractallers, Jan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:08:28 -0700 In article , "Tim Wegner" writes: > should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we > write open source, free software, when others will look at our code, > even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate > our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed > source program? IMO, the only reason commercial software *can* compete with fractint is because fractint is showing signs of its age. Its a DOS program, with no Windows support. Its currently difficult to extend because of its 16bit DOS heritage. The commercial programs currently have an advantage over fractint because they support the win32 look-and-feel and regardless of how you feel about microsoft, people generally prefer a win32 GUI application over a DOS program. Fractint is at a crossroads in its development. Many people would like to contribute and improve the program (not to detract from those who ARE currently contributing and improving fractint), but are put off by its 16bit DOS development environment and the constraints thereof (memory model, overlays, etc.). Once fractint leaves 16bit environments behind and updates itself to a 32bit environment (even under DOS using a protected mode extender), I predict that people will extend and enhance fractint much more readily. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:18:35 -0700 In article , "Tim Wegner" writes: > [...] Unless we get an infusion > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is > dead. To quote Monty Python, "I'm not dead!" :-) Fractint is definately at a turning point in its development. What it needs at this point is some serious restructuring of the existing code (to get away from 16bit DOSisms and a more portable GUI), or a complete rewrite. (Sometimes a rewrite is preferable to a major restructuring.) However, attempting a rewrite (unless one person or a small group of people do the majority of the work beforehand) will involve a nearly infinite amount of discussion and opinion offering about what a rewrite *should* be. Too many chefs, not enough cooks. > Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a > worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know. > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many > platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my > efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features > with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges > Fractint generously. Funny, I look at it the other way around :-). XaoS' ideas should be incorporated into fractint. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:30:15 -0700 In article , Ken Childress writes: > One a program > enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite > a major task. Its not so major a task if you plan for it from the beginning. What makes it a major task for most people is that they haven't made any effort to isolate the non-portable portions of their code from the beginning and then attempt to retrofit it to another platform. THAT is a major task. Fractint's user interface needs are rather simple and could be isolated into a UI layer that is implemented on Win32/MacOS/unix. However, before anyone attempts such an undertaking, fractint needs to be moved to a flat memory model. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:31:59 -0500 Lee Lane wrote: > Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 = from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but = the best bargain I ever got. < Lee, = Don't expect a bill soon. Recall that our contribution policy is: Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. Although I must humbly exempt myself from the second part of that declaration, the first and third parts hold true for all of us. Like Tim,= I believe that keeping money out of Fractint is not some sort of act of generosity on the part of the developers, but an essential element to the= vitality of this widespread volunteer effort. = George Martin = Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:44:48 -0700 In article , "Frederik Slijkerman" writes: > Hm. Perhaps you could try to use C++ Builder, the C variant of > Delphi. In my experience, it takes away the problems of Windows GUI > programming, so you can concentrate on getting the program to work > instead. But inevitably you will have to spend some training hours. :) I have C++Builder, and yes, it will automate the boiler plate code that is identical in most windows programs, but you will still be ignorant of how to write a Win32 API program from scratch if you only learn C++Builder. C++Builder isolates you from Win32 by using a framework. Frameworks are useful labor saving devices, but you don't learn about the Win32 API by using a framework (that's the whole point of the framework). However, you will have to spend time learning the framework, and there will be times when you need to use the Win32 API anyway, so ultimately you still need to know Win32. This is especially true if you plan on doing advanced graphics or pixel manipulation. (Builder is great for database and forms apps, but doesn't have extensive support in its framework for advanced graphics.) I think when Tim talks about being a "Windows programmer" he's thinking of mastering the Win32 API. And although the API is large in terms of the sheer numbers of function calls that are available, its not conceptually that complicated. Most of the complexity of Win32 is the details of the prebuilt UI controls that Windows provides. The core of the GDI and event processing isn't that hard (and the concepts are identical to the basic graphics and event programming model provided by MacOS or the X Window System). Learning your first event-driven GUI programming environment takes some time, but after that you could switch to another similar environment and get up to speed relatively quickly by identifying similarities and differences between the two environments. The big gap between fractint and Win32 is that fractint's input model is polling, not event based. Its graphics support is homebrewed and talks directly to the VGA hardware. The assembly code adds some aggravation when porting to another platform, but the xfractint code already has C equivalent for everything that's in assembler. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) An apology (2) Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:33:57 -0500 At 07:49 PM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm also in the process of changing my mailer from Outlook Express to >"The Bat". "The Bat"??? >Happy99??? Oh, that must have been a New Years card that my wife had >received...Hmmmm, singularly uninteresting CGA-type fireworks >reminiscent of old Apple II graphics...dump it. Yow. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what? Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:48:45 -0500 At 01:35 AM 2/18/99 +1100, you wrote: >Here's a couple of formulas and a few example images for an equation that I >ripped out of a book that I'm reading at the moment. I don't have the >stamina to go through all of the existing Fractint formulas to see if I'm >repeating anything. I've named the formulas after a mathematician who >investigated this stuff in 1879 but gave up because he presumably didn't >have a Pentium. > >Apparently the equation uses Newton's method to solve a family of cubic >polynomials...I'm just repeating what I read, I don't really understand it. >With the constant at (0,0) the Julia version of the formula looks the same >as the Fractint "Newton", but with some other constants there are points >that don't fall to any of the roots. That much was said in the book, but I >wasn't expecting the form that those points can take: little copies of >classic Julia sets. The Mandelbrot version of the formula has the Mandelbrot >shape embedded in a cardioid ring of Newton like chains. To find the Julia >sets zoom in close to the boundary of one of the Mandelbrot forms and use >the center coordinates for the constant in the Julia version. This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:51:44 -0500 Hi George, Tim, et al, > Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. You've got mine. Buckets full! Just please don't let it die. - Phil D. P.S. This is not a putdown of UF. I think Fred's program is awesome, and well worth my $35. But fractint is something very special, as are its creators and contributors. I wish I had the talent to help them keep it going. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRMoe@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 19:14:43 EST << Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. >> Tim and the rest of the Fractint development team, I have been remiss in paying for my Fractint software. Finding the words to express my appreciation for this marvelous program is difficult. Using the program also frequently leaves me speechless. I came across "Fractals for Windows" in a bookstore not very long after I got a computer. Not much later I came across "Fractal Creations". I eventually bought both editions of that one. I have spent many joyous hours watching the strange and beautiful patterns it produces grow across my monitor screen. What an incredible delight! I hadn't seen such colors and patterns since the late 60's early 70's! :-) I was stunned when I first ran across the works of Bob Carr, Sylvie Gallet, Les St.Clair and others on Compuserve. You and your teammates have demonstrated impressive generosity in giving away a tool that can provide so many with so much. Having made some (unsuccessful) efforts to teach myself programming I think I have gained some appreciation (and respect) for the hard work all of you have put into this. I really wish I could help. Again and again, thank you! Tom Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 17:49:58 -0800 comment { From the troglodite faction, a skeptic asks: "Isn't the biggest problem (from the Fractint perspective) with Windoze its failure to accomodate on-the-fly video mode switching?" Forgive me if this is an ignorant question; I'm still cowering in my cave with DOS 6.22 and Win 3.1... ( Which is probably why nobody will hire me for software jobs ?:-j ) Aloha, Bud Here's a par (my Web site future title art, for a while): } gb2n1 { ; "Fringebrot" - (c) Mark "Bud" Christenson 2/15/99 reset=1930 type=formula formulafile=budz.frm formulaname=gravibrot function=cos/sqr/log passes=1 center-mag=2.96777/-2.9976e-015/1.030928 params=1/0/0/0/25/0 float=y maxiter=300 inside=33 decomp=256 colors=000<2>LMH<2>RSMUVOYYR<6>zyn<5>qneolcmjakh_ieY<6>XRLVPJUOITMHRKF<9\ >FB8DA7DA7<14>000000011<27>7IO7JP8KQ9LR<2>EQXFRZGT`HVbJXd<6>Xku_nx_lv<5>\ QXbOUZNSXMQUMPSLNQJLNGHJBBC000000D4AK4F<4>bCVfEZhGa<5>wTw<6>gF_dCWb BU`AR\ Y8P<2>T6KR5IR5I<31>111003002001000<20>QHHRIISJJUKKVKKWLK<7>jTNkUNmWM<7> z\ iF<5>hUEeREcQD<2>XK8UI7QF6LC4E83742 } frm:gravibrot{ ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 3/13/98 ; derived from gravijul ; p2 is unused as yet... ; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = p2 c = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + c |z| < p3 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:59:31 -0600 Lee wrote: > Your > proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF > off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money. > > Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 > from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but > the best bargain I ever got. I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to encourage any "either or" attitude between UF and Fractint. The point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to advocate the idea of open source. I probably gave too pessimistic view of the state of the Fractint team. I really don't think Fractint will "die" anytime soon, and I really do believe that we will have some porting breakthroughs eventually. We could even have a Windows console version that would look exactly like the current Fractint, except that internally we long-suffering programmers would be free from the DOS medium model programming constraints Tim > > Lee Lane > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software) Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:59:32 -0600 Morgan asked: > Since Tim Wegner is himself a member of this team, he is in a > much better > position than I to judge the pros and cons and feasibility of taking > Fractint down the same path. How do you take it, Tim? At present I think > this may well be the way to go. There is no doubt that separating the underlying fractal engine from the user interface will be necessary. There are several other comments in recent messages that made sense to me, including those by Phil McRevis. I decided I better not get into answering every message :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what? Date: 18 Feb 1999 17:29:37 +1100 Paul Derbyshire wrote... [my stuff snipped] >This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The >Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it. Oh well, I didn't think I could have been the first to see these things--especially since I found the equation in a book. The book was _The Mathematical Tourist_ by Ivars Peterson, which has a chapter on escape-time fractals. _The Beauty of Fractals_ was one of his sources for that, though it's not mentioned specifically in relation to that equation. There's been a copy of BOF sitting in a local bookshop for several years--untouched, it seems, by anybody but me when I occasionally browse through it. It's not cheap, and I've never had the money to buy it, but I plan to in the near future if nobody else discovers it before then. Mark Townsend markdown@Netscape.net.au Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:49:00 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. You want appreciation, I will happily give it.....! I consider the day I first encountered Fractint to be a wonderful milestone in my life. Now, nearly a decade(!) on, I still find it a source of wonder, beauty and imagination. My humblest thanks, and deepest gratitude, to each and every one who has contributed to such a marvel as Fractint. You have created something to be PROUD of. Fractint is not just a great piece of programming (and it is, honestly folks!) but it is a work of art - open, funky, squnky, anarchic, happy art. Using it, and sitting in on this list, is like being part of a wonderful family (complete with all the usual arguments of course!) I have lost count of how many people have cursed me for all the lost nights I have caused by passing them copies of Fractint. Once bitten - lost forever. :-) May you, and Fractint, live long and prosper.... ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long Information Scientist, University of Southampton, UK n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what? Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:52:46 +1100 I wrote: >Mark Townsend >markdown@Netscape.net.au No, it wasn't me: the spelling checker did it. Although I'm surprised that it didn't change it to marktown@InternetExplorer.net.au. Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) J of M? Date: 18 Feb 1999 11:47:49 GMT --Message-Boundary-21775 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Dump the attached PAR file into your Fractint directory. Now have a look at "JofM". If you look at the file, you'll see it says "type=mandel". But wait! Could it be... no, shurely it can't be... but... yes... no... yes! It is! It's a Julia Set! It's a quadratic Julia set *INSIDE* the quadratic Mandelbrot Set, with lines enphasising its internal structure (see "JofM_Structure"). A freak occurance? Are you kidding? This is choas here! Coincidences don't happen! Take a look at "JofM2". The "2" signifies more that the fact that this image is the sequal to the first; this Julia set is pearced by a spike that repeatadly splits in two. If you take a look at "JofM_Center", you'll see that the Julia Set pattern repeates itself 4, 8, 16, 32... times, gradually ceesing to be a circle and following the equipotential curve of... the Mandelbrot Set. (Well, that's not so suprising; we all knew about "baby-brots".) In case anyone else wants to find Julia Sets in M, look at one of the "lightning stalks" sprouting from a disk in the side of the Mandelbrot set (not one that's too tightly twisted), and find a (fairly large) baby-brot in it. Now zoom into an area of it you happen to like the Julia sets of, and look in the lightning streams surrounding it... See how they seem to have little blobs on them... no, those aren't sampling errors... those are Julia sets! If anyone cares, I might pose a set of pars that zoom in in stages... Maybe... Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. --Message-Boundary-21775 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: post1.par Date: 18 Feb 1999, 9:07 Size: 1307 bytes. 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Please check your computers for those tell-tale >.SKA files in your WIN System folder...I wouldn't wish this on anyone >else. Luckily I didn't open the file, although I nearly did (simply because this list IS so clean). I certainly will never be tempted to again! On your list of Lessons learned, #5 should have been:- A 'Really Decent' stuff up is composed of a string of minor concatenating stuff ups - any one of which, taken in isolation, is entirely explainable, justifiable or totally unworthy of further attention! i.e. a good stuff up is always greater than the sum of its constituent parts... Welcome back. Wayne Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Camp" Date: 18 Feb 1999 07:54:26 -0800 Hi all! It's been a while since i posted any pars. Partly because I have been fooling around with Ultra Fractal but have not produced anything worth posting. Here are two images I made on Fractint last night and liked them so much that I've decided to post them. If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal. Here are links to the two full isze images if you are too lazy to use the par :) http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal280.gif http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal281.gif Thanks! Jon Camp P.S. One of my fractals made it on http://www.dailyimage.com I don't know if that is a big deal or not but I thought it was kinda cool :) Visit chaotic n-space network! http://www.cnspace.net *********************************************************** 2 pars *********************************************************** jcamp101 { ; jon camp, 1999 ; chaotic n-space network ; http://www.cnspace.net ; jcamp@cnspace.net reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-0.74998744123316300/-0.01229491445302480/1.272508e+007 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=100000 outside=imag colors=000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz0yz<45>02z00z00y\ <59>002000000 } jcamp102 { ; jon camp, 1999 ; chaotic n-space network ; http://www.cnspace.net ; jcamp@cnspace.net reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-0.74998746253324030/-0.01229490523484335/6.117825e+007 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=100000 outside=imag colors=000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz0yz<45>02z00z00y\ <59>002000000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) updated website Date: 18 Feb 1999 11:00:34 -0500 All the old images on my Euler pages have been replaced with new ones. In addition, there is a new page of miscellaneous images. Both at my Geocities web site. I hope you enjoy your visit. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: February 18, 1999 - new and updated pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: November 8, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: (fractint) How to Modify for UF Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) Jon, > If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and > modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This > becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal. This quickest way to make a more interesting image from these PARs is simply to use the "Smoothed Iterations (Mandlebrot)" Outside Coloring method from the dmj.ucl collection. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) J of M? Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:28:47 -0600 Andrew, You can find "faux Julias" all over the Mandelbrot set, once you know where to look. You probably know from general exploring where to find minibrots--in spiral arms, at the centers of certain clusters, etc. To find a faux Julia, first find a minibrot (any minibrot). From that minibrot you will see the usual threads stretching out; zoom in on one of these, and look where you would normally expect to see a microbrot. On your way to zooming towards the microbrot, you will see the faux Julia. Furthermore, you can select the type of faux Julia you want to see. When looking for the microbrot, look in areas of the minibrot that correspond to areas of the master M-set which produce the Julia type you're looking for. For example, if you want a faux Julia that looks like the Julia sets produced with seeds from the Seahorse Valley, you would look for a microbrot in the Seahorse Valley of the minibrot. If you want "brain" faux Julias, you would look in the Elephant Valley of the minibrot (since Julia sets taken from the Elephant Valley of the full M-set produce "brain" type Julias). Not only does this hold for the M-set, but it also holds for other formulas which produce minibrots of their own. It also holds for mandeloids of higher powers (they produce faux Julias of higher powers) and for formulas which produce mandeloids of higher powers. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee&SusanLane Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:40:32 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2378BBD207E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Wegner wrote: > > I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that > I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to > encourage any "either or" attitude between UF and Fractint. The > point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to > advocate the idea of open source. > Tim, I feel very bad that I gave the impression that I didn't keep UltraFractal for the above reasons. I understand that UF is a superb and appealing program, and had it become a useful tool for me, as Ken Childress suggests, I would not have removed it. But after investigating it briefly, I decided that my satisfaction with Fractint, for the way the program works as well as for the philosophy of its authors, was such that I was not motivated to learn a new program. I will take it as a lesson in the pitfalls of facile communication, and apologize for any ill effects. Here now, are a few renderings of Sylvie's Gallet_9.frm. 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Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:01:36 +1100 I have reset my Outlook Express to send mail in normal text format, not HTML, but I am not sure if it has worked. If not and there is still those horrible 3= errors, can someone tell me how to change the settings? Its Outlook Express that comes with IE4.01. Thanks. 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Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up. Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by the 'artist'.) It has often occured to me that each new technology or scientific discovery humans invent gives us a new metaphor to use in our understanding of ourselves, our minds, and the universe. The computer has been an especially powerful metaphor for a few reasons: it is a 'universal machine', an 'anything box', and as such is the epitomy of the whole mechanistic metaphor, and one which is complex enough to contain many sub-metaphors such as harware/software, peripherals, programming languages, input/outputdevices, etc etc. It seems to me that the metaphorical implications of fractals, (and chaos and complexity also), have barely begun to make themselves felt, but the potential seems rather awesome, if not actually endless. I instantly felt when I came across fractals that here was a better metaphor for the structure of reality than quantuum mechanics. (Of course you know how much even Einstien resisted quantuum mechanics because it did not make intuitive sense to him that the universe should be so discontinuous.) I myself am not qualified in maths, physics or computer science, or philosophy, but am an artist with a fascination for these things. I am hoping one day to find that someone is working out the practicalities of using this incredible new metaphor in these disciplines. For instance, as I understand it, a 'particle' such as an electron has a field of 'virtual particles' that surround it like a cloud, becoming ever more diffuse and improbable with distance, and each virtual particle also has its cloud of even more virtual and improbable particles. (I know I am taking metaphorical liberties with the language, if anyone would like to tidy up the expression of this idea they are welcome). Isn't this a wonderful fractal structure??? What if the way particles interact is in some way like the way the areas of complexity appear in different parts of a mandelbrot? Hmmm, let me try to explain. As 2 particles approach each other their virtual fields interact more strongly sending ripples of probability inward along the fillaments that connect the minibrots that represent lakes of higher possibility, until at a certain threshold it becomes probable enough to cause change in the 'real' particle. Well, thats pretty sloppy, I hope you get some idea of what Im on about. :-) Another thought: it has often seemed strange to me that the mandelbrot hasone end. I mean, you can go down into it indefinitely, but when you come up you reach its boundary. What if one was living on a brot an infinite number of levels down into the mandel and trying to understand the nature of the whole thing? Is this a fruitful metaphor for our search for God? OK. So. A question, especially for any cosmically minded mathemeticians out there: Have you ever thought about the metaphorical meaning of different fractal formulas? What does the mandel (for instance) represent in terms of the type of algorithym that generates it. What does its strucure then teach us about the kind of things that it models? is I suppose a corrolary question. If there were a lot of people interested in this sort of thing, I dream of actually putting together a book of speculative musings, mostly by asking questions of those who are more qualified to answer these than I am. I also find that Fractint itself provies more levels of metaphor in its functionality, such as colorcycling, formula editing, pallette creating, etc etc. All these things are useful to me as metaphors for my internal processes. So, many thanks to those who made it such fun to explore these questions. I think thats enough for now. I include a few pars below. Best Narada Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 17:28:26 -0800 (PST) > Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I > am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of > seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end > result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a > fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be > used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think > that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take > over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up. I think that layering, transformations, etc. are all mathematical techniques that are used to generate more complex fractal images. I do see your point from a more "purist" standpoint. In fact, I made this kind of argument a while back when the discussion was about whether or not an anti-aliased Fractint image was still considered a 256 color image. On that particular subject, the consensus seemed to be that even though anti-aliasing rendered the image in more than 256 colors, the resulting image was still essentially a 256 color image for the purpose of categorization since that was how the original image was created. The addition capabilities of layering specifically, but transformations, etc. in general, seem to merely be extensions of that line of reasoning. I suppose it may boil down to the individual's philosophy when they are creating images. I go for what pleases me visually. How that is achieved is not important to me. If one wants purer images, then one might not use combinations of layers, or transformations, that manipulate the "pure" image from any given formula. > Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the > insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do > realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for > a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are > interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by > the 'artist'.) What insight into reality do the Mandelbrot Set or Julia Sets really give? Sure, there are formulas that can mimick things we find in nature such as mountains, trees, plants, etc. But what reality is there in any given minibrot? I think the beauty of fractals, at least for me, is the visual impact. I rarely see, or interpret, any relation to reality in any given image. Though, I suppose I do try to do this in a sense by trying to give a name to a particular image. Others, I'm sure, will see things differently. Which, I think, is part of what makes fractals so interesting. [...] Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:39:26 -0600 Narada, - 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result - you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. That depends entirely on the person creating the image. In fact, I would suggest that almost all of the images I have created with Ultra Fractal do in fact keep the fractal nature, since despite being multiple layers, they are the same location and fractal in each layer. Thus the difference is in the combined coloring algorithm. As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this list that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a technique that only Ultra Fractal can use. This is a general technique. And what of many PHC fractals, that combine two fractals nearly at whim? These are just as un-fractal as you fear layering can be. Do we really want to get into a discussion of "what is a fractal"? This very nearly came up during the last contest, during the extensive "discussions" about post-processing. FractInt's formula parser is flexible enough to accomplish just about anything, if you are willing to work at it, so don't pin your definition on that. :-) - Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, - and the insights into the structure of reality that they can give - us??? Yes, but another part of the attraction is that the shape can be molded, adapted without having *complete* control over every pixel. As you point out, not every FractInt image is a "pure" fractal--that is up to the person at the computer. To me, using mathematical equations as my brushes is what makes the difference. That some of those equations might be simple--and lacking in obvious fractal detail--is not so important if the concept I wish to convey is adequately expressed. I may use techniques some would consider post-processing, but usually it is algorithmic in nature, rather than by-hand touch-ups. The rest of your philosophical inquiry would no doubt be well-received on the philofractal list. :-) Not that I am suggesting you shouldn't post here, just pointing out that there are others who are pondering the metaphysical implications of fractals and who may actually be talking about these very things. (I don't know for sure because I don't subscribe to that list.) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:48:29 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, narada wrote: > Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the > insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do > realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for > a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are > interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by > the 'artist'.) Nothing that we can create/render on our computer systems is a "true fractal". They all suffer from discretization of continuous shapes and all use false color. There is no "real" color to the Mandelbrot set, and rendering at 1024 x 768 or 1600 x 1200 is still literally nothing at all compared to the infinite detail of the set. However, like a good engineer, I will admit that we can get "close enough". Just because we can't compute pi exactly doesn't keep us from using circles. More pragmatically, as Damien mentioned, there are many coloring techniques that don't change the structure. In fact, many of the schemes that I use and develop are successful because they highlight structures that aren't normally seen when using only an escape-time coloring. Even that is artificial--the only true distinction is whether the orbit *ever* diverges, not if it diverges beyond a radius of 2 in 17 iterations. Anyway, I think there is plenty of room for purists to use alternative coloring schemes without feeling that they're "selling out" to pure aesthetics. Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:58:13 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 6:32:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, kchildre@uccs.jpl.nasa.gov writes: > what reality is there in any > given minibrot? To me the self-similarity principle represents something crucial about the universe-at-large -- wherever we go, there we are :) -- different shapes, different sizes, warped or symmetrical, varying environments -- but the Force (for lack of a better word, thank you Star Wars!) is.....well, it just is. There, here, in the center of the image and all over the place around the edges -- visibility limited only by zooming power. Soppy, I know, but meaningful....... Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:50:58 -0600 <> _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i! Nature Leseul i!i! i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i! i!i! make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns, i!i! i!i! and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You i!i! i!i! see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i! i!i! that it consumes all who approach it." i!i! !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "narada" Subject: (fractint) Re:Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:08:43 +1100 My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort. I think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by selected contours. Is this not so? If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary represents in mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing formulas or other images together. As a separate question: has anyone considered that each formula that will generate a fractal is part of the set of all possible formulas that generate fractals, and that the structure of this set may itself be fractaline? Best Wishes All Ways N Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:13:12 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 8:55:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, nleseul@zurich.crosswinds.net writes: > _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants > to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the > threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. I would very much like to have that reference. TIA, Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:31:23 -0800 Each point can be thought of as having a rate of decelleration/accelleration towards/from a boundary. For graphic purposes it is convenient (and beautiful!) to color-code these rates. The choice of color-code is as thoughroughly SIGNIFICANT as it is ARBITRARY (the arbitrary part being where the "artist" steps in). -----Original Message----- >My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are >exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is >determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort. I >think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is >modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by selected >contours. > >Is this not so? > >If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the >particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary represents in >mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing formulas or other >images together. > >As a separate question: has anyone considered that each formula that will >generate a fractal is part of the set of all possible formulas that generate >fractals, and that the structure of this set may itself be fractaline? > >Best Wishes All Ways >N > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:46:36 -0500 (EST) Ken writes: >I suppose it may boil down to the individual's philosophy when they are >creating images. I go for what pleases me visually. How that is >achieved is not important to me. If one wants purer images, then one >might not use combinations of layers, or transformations, that >manipulate the "pure" image from any given formula. >What insight into reality do the Mandelbrot Set or Julia Sets really >give? ... >I think the beauty of fractals, at least for me, is the visual impact. >I rarely see, or interpret, any relation to reality in any given image. >Though, I suppose I do try to do this in a sense by trying to give a >name to a particular image. I find in some fractals the experience of awe that I get under a starlit sky or in the presence of an ice storm. Being led down into infinity in a spiral of increasing complexity beyond what one can truly understand, but that can be felt by taking part of the journey is something that I don't find in most after processed images. Much post processing distances the viewer from the mathematical processes that embody the infinite. Of course, the computer and its screen are proxies too, but are necessary. The more you layer on the more distance there is. An unprocessed image is closer to the 'real' thing than a processed one is, as standing under a starlit sky is compared to any photo. All that said, I like UF and will register it, but the layering and other effects touch something different in me than the less polished, but more direct fractint images do. Incidently, I find fairly frequently that I prefer some of the individual layers more interesting than the full UF image. Must be that unreconstructed fractinter in me. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:49:40 -0500 (EST) > _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants > to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the > threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P > _Chaos_ is by James Gleick. It's a nice book, although I don't think very much in it would be new to people on this list; it's a popularization. I don't recall the reference, though. Were the atoms themselves actually in an M-set pattern, and not merely some mathematical description of their states? That would surprise me a bit, too. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:56:34 -0800 Hi Folks! Just installed a lovely, spanking new 32MG AGP Number Nine "Revolution IV" graphics card which can do everything but wipe your butt. But: For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose. Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has knowledge of any compatible setting(s). Leon Duych leon_d@msn.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "narada" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:27:27 +1100 > - 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result > - you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. > >That depends entirely on the person creating the image. In fact, I would >suggest that almost all of the images I have created with Ultra Fractal do >in fact keep the fractal nature, since despite being multiple layers, they >are the same location and fractal in each layer. Thus the difference is in >the combined coloring algorithm. Yes, as I said, if one tries one can keep the purity of the structure and even reveal it better with the right techniques, however few of the works I have seen on the web seem to consider this. I must add that I have been impressed by the glossy finish that is achieved and the shear beauty of the effects, and will continue to explore it myself. I was just surprised that no one had mentioned this consideration. See my post above regards 'structure' (is that the right word) and colouring, of iterated algorythm produced patterns. >As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this list >that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a technique that >only Ultra Fractal can use. This is a general technique. And what of many >PHC fractals, that combine two fractals nearly at whim? These are just as >un-fractal as you fear layering can be. Indeed. Id be interested to see your examples though. >Do we really want to get into a discussion of "what is a fractal"? This >very nearly came up during the last contest, during the extensive >"discussions" about post-processing. FractInt's formula parser is flexible >enough to accomplish just about anything, if you are willing to work at it, >so don't pin your definition on that. :-) Indeed ... >The rest of your philosophical inquiry would no doubt be well-received on >the philofractal list. :-) Not that I am suggesting you shouldn't post >here, just pointing out that there are others who are pondering the >metaphysical implications of fractals and who may actually be talking about >these very things. (I don't know for sure because I don't subscribe to that >list.) Dumb question but where do I find this list? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayne Kiely" Subject: (fractint) Fractint Thanks (long) Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:40:34 +1030 Tim and the rest of the Fractint contributors... I, too, must add to the streams of thanks to you all. I have been a Fractint user for years now, but only joined the mailing list reasonably recently and have since found out how much I don't know about using the program! I will admit to the initial learning curve for the program being a bit on the steep side, but I find that to be the case with all 'fully fledged' software. With any well developed fractal generator the new user is bound to be a little overwhelmed due to the great variety of possible variations available. Nothing can change this. My dilemma is that I am not fantastic at maths and I am not (yet at least) conversant with formula writing to produce the wonderful images that Sylvie, Les and others turn out regularly. I am working on it, but it will take time and I don't have enough of it to get there quickly. This is where UF, and possibly others, come into play. I have only had the program for two days now, but already I feel it affords me the POSSIBILITY of being able to produce the types of images to which I aspire WITHOUT the corresponding time input. (Thanks Frederik - you'll be getting my $35.) This is basically what Ray Montgomery was saying. Having just said the above, Fractint has saved me years of my life too! After reading some articles by Pickover I tried to emulate his images using Basic in a few of its variations. I can hear all of the REAL programmers out there groaning, but it's all I had and my programming skills are about on par with my maths, so not much point forking out for C++ or whatever. I didn't get to his images, but I produced fractals. Firstly black and white only, but later I got to colour. Trouble is, then I wanted to show people my work. So I shelved out a fortune to Canon to get their Laser Printer technical manuals, and wrote the routines to print raster graphics. Having done all that I then wanted to move on to colour printing too, but it all got too hard for a non programmer. Then I discovered Fractint, and instead of spending my time writing bad Basic code I could produce fractals by the thousands and even print them with no hassle. What a relief! Thanks again. However I, too, feel that Fractint is approaching a crossroads. It is where I was at years ago trying to to do things with basic, only of course my efforts were trivial compared to the Fractint programmers achievements. GUI interfaces have been around long enough for even the DOS die-hards to be a little familiar with by now, so that shouldn't put too many people off (but please keep the keyboard shortcuts in there for those, like me, that prefer the keys to the mouse). Surely it's time to be able to write, copy, paste the formula; rename, move or even delete files etc. all from the one package. I know that this does not necessarily imply the Fractint has to go GUI, but personally I don't see that it has much choice. I agree entirely with your viewpoint on open source code. Fractint is a testament to what can be achieved by choosing this road. This detracts in no way from Frederik's decision to charge a nominal fee for his huge personal effort with UF. Having benefited so much from all of your efforts, I feel it is time to help repay the debt and assist Fractint to 'move on'. Trouble is, as stated above, the maths, the programming skills and the time are all lacking. Perhaps if you let us all play for a year or two with Version 20, but you tell us what you'll use to write the next version, then when we tire of fractaling, those that are so inclined can start honing their programming skills in the right direction and assist with some of the easy stuff. Again, unending thanks and if I can assist, I will. Wayne Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgen H Bell" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:24:23 -0500 Narada wrote: Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up. (...I've trimmed the rest) This makes sense to me. I downloaded UF a couple of days ago, and I can't decide what I think of it. It feels like cheating, somehow. It's too easy to add lots of elaborate trimmings to a perfectly good fractal...it's a little like putting cake frosting on a loaf of bread. Morgen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 07:57:28 -0800 (PST) Morgan, > Narada wrote: > > Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I > am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of > seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end > result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a > fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be > used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think > that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take > over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up. > > (...I've trimmed the rest) > > This makes sense to me. I downloaded UF a couple of days ago, and I > can't decide what I think of it. It feels like cheating, somehow. It's too > easy to add lots of elaborate trimmings to a perfectly good fractal...it's a > little like putting cake frosting on a loaf of bread. I have to admit to being puzzled by this assessment. What do you mean by cheating and why would UF be cheating? As Damien has pointed out, things such as true color and layering can be done with Fractint, albeit with more effort maybe. So, what would make UF cheating when compared to Fractint? Most, not all certainly, but most of the images that people put on their web sites are very visually (at least to me) pleasing images. While many are not exactly to my personal likes, I can see the effort that was made to make the images as good as possible. Are these images a different class (for lack of a better word) from those that you like to create? Many of the FotD images, for example, I find are interesting from the standpoint of the shapes and designs that they create. However, I don't find many of them visually pleasing. That isn't a criticism, it's just my reaction. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Test -- am I still getting through? Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:36:35 -0500 (EST) I've attempted to post several messages to the Fractint list within the past 24 hours. None of my messages have been returned to me from the list, though other messages are coming through as usual. This is just a test to see if it was just a fluke or if a problem exists. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdecker@csc.com Subject: (fractint) Two pars on a theme Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:28:09 -0500 These were found at about the same time as I found the Visitor image. Both seem to have the same sense of mechanical objects under extreme stress. Bill Decker vault-of-faith { ; (c) Bill Decker Jan 31, 1999 t= 0:01:27.39 ; on P150 800x600 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=bills-rotate3 function=cabs/acos/sinh passes=1 center-mag=-3.17349/-0.288918/0.09138941/1/-90 params=2/3/-1/1/1/100 logmode=fly potential=255/100/0 rseed=-2436 colors=000XbM<26>BPBAOAAOAAOA<20>6D65C56C5<2>BD6CE6DF6EG7GH8<13>__I``J``\ J<27>k`ek_ejZd<25>T8PS6OS6O<32>hQThRTiSTiTTjUU<30>yxxzzzzzy<29>llWkkUkkU\ <17>YbN } flawed-lens { ; (c) Bill Decker Jan 31, 1999 t= 0:01:21.02 ; on P150 800x600 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=bills-rotate3 function=cabs/tan/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-0.0931703/-5.35e-006/0.06165639/1/-90 params=2/3/-1/-1/1/100 logmode=fly potential=255/100/0 rseed=-2436 colors=000aeP<32>BPBAOAAOAAOA<18>6E66E66D65C56C58C5<2>CE6DF6EG7GH8<13>__\ I``J``J<25>j`ck`dk`ek_ejZdiYc<24>T8PS6OS6O<31>gPThQThRTiSTiTT<31>yxxzzzz\ zy<29>llWkkUkkU<11>beP } FRM:bills-rotate3 { a = real(p1), b = imag(p1) c = real(p2), d = imag(p2) e = real(p3), f = imag(p3) w = pixel x = pixel y = pixel z = pixel : w = fn1(x+y)^a + w x = fn2(y+w)^b + x y = fn3(w+x)^c + y z = (w^2 - (x^2) * (y^2))*d + z*e |z| < f } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:34:28 -0600 Narada, - My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are - exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes - is determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of - some sort. Clarification: some coloring algorithms are discrete, and produce regions of flat color (like iteration coloring). Many other algorithms are continuous and produce totally smooth gradations in color (in software that supports it). Algorithms in this category are decomposition, continuous potential, various statistical methods, etc. In these algorithms there may not be "boundaries" where the colors change, except those imposed by your fractal software's inability to render smooth color. It's important to note the difference between the limitation of the software (since at some point, all shading is discrete) and the algorithm (which, if it's discrete, has a fixed upper limit on how much it can be smoothed). - I think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure - which is modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is - indicated by selected contours. - - Is this not so? In essence you are thinking of a 2D fractal, where the coloring algorithm (in your case, you're probably thinking of iteration coloring) produces a height value, thus creating a 3D surface--much as you would see from the 3D transform in FractInt. This is certainly one way of looking at it. - If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the - particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary - represents in mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing - formulas or other images together. Of course it is--but if FractInt is your only guide, then you really don't understand just what sort of coloring options Ultra Fractal provides. FractInt's selection of coloring algorithms is fairly limited; that's why I wrote my coloring formula collection in the first place, so that I could experiment with new ways of coloring the old fractals. You can see copious examples of Mandelbrot and Nova (and a few other) fractals with new coloring algorithms, created in *FractInt*, in galleries 5-14 of my web site. A few of these were done by compositing several FractInt images together, but each image in the composite is the same fractal, with only a slightly different coloring algorithm (or different parameters to the same coloring algorithm) applied. Most of the rest are a single image, with no compositing. I want to emphasize that most of these are classical fractal shapes, but with new algorithms. The images I have produced with Ultra Fractal have a much wider range of coloring algorithms. I cannot emphasize enough, if FractInt is all your experience, I can see where you might think that layering means slapping any two fractals together. Yes, you can do this with Ultra Fractal, but in my opinion the best fractal images do not. Instead, they select from the wide variety of coloring algorithms and use them to reinforce elements of the fractal structure. I submit for your consideration these images: http://www.fractalus.com/lure.jpg http://www.fractalus.com/spade.jpg (These are new.) Both of these images are composed of more than one layer, yet the fractal in each layer is the same. The combination of different coloring algorithms produces a final result which is much richer than any of the single layers alone. Had I only the coloring methods from FractInt to work with, layering would be nearly useless, but my options in UF are vastly expanded! - Yes, as I said, if one tries one can keep the purity of the structure - and even reveal it better with the right techniques, however few of - the works I have seen on the web seem to consider this. Care to name names? :-) As I think of most of the really good images posted to the Ultra Fractal mailing list, surprisingly few of them take the liberties with layering that you find so distressing. In fact, that so many great images have been posted there offers an excellent opportunity to pick those images apart and see how they work. - >As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this - >list that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a - >technique that only Ultra Fractal can use. - - Indeed. Id be interested to see your examples though. Well, I posted them to this list very recently. The first batch can be found in Les St. Clair's parameter archive for last month; the latest was a conversion of the image "Rich", which you can see in its original Ultra Fractal version here: http://www.fractalus.com/gallery15/pic03.htm Les's parameter collection is here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm He was even nice enough to use one of my images (Gummi) as one of the index images for January. - Dumb question but where do I find this list? To subscribe, send a message containing "subscribe philofractal" to majordomo@icd.com and you will be added to the list. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:13:48 -0600 Leon, - Each point can be thought of as having a rate of - decelleration/accelleration towards/from a boundary. For graphic - purposes it is convenient (and beautiful!) to color-code these rates. That is what the iteration-count algorithm approximates. More precise values (that are continuous) can be obtained from Linas Vepstas' formula. Even so, this conceptualization is only appropriate for this algorithm (the main one in FractInt). When your coloring options expand, other ways of looking at the iteration process are helpful. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:56:25 -0700 In article , "narada" writes: > My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are > exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is > determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort. I > think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is > modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by selected > contours. You can think of M-set (and many other -- but not all -- fractal images) as visualizations of a 2D scalar field. Does that help? Probably not :-). -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:59:52 -0700 In article , "Leon Duych" writes: > For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose. > Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the > "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has knowledge > of any compatible setting(s). Any SVGA compatible video mode should work. Or did you want something other than that? -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 13:16:54 -0500 Hi Leon, >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.= >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s). Download the following file from my web site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file. Cheers, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Visit my exhibit at Museum of Computer Art: http://www.dorsai.org/~moca/ My Fractal Galleries: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dilvie Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:03:14 -1000 Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > Hi Leon, > > >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose. > >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the > >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has > >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s). > > Download the following file from my web site: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip > > Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll > write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file. Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any resolution? - Eric Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:07:52 -0800 (PST) Eric, > > Hi Leon, > > > > >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose. > > >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the > > >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has > > >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s). > > > > Download the following file from my web site: > > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip > > > > Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll > > write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file. > > Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any > resolution? Yes, but that doesn't let you view the image on your monitor at a high resolution. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:10:22 -0800 Eric and Sylvie, First Sylvie: Thank you very much for your kind offer. I'll get right on it!!! Now for Eric: If you say so... I am a first-time user of Fractint with little (translation: NO) experience. If you could spell out what you mean, I would be much obliged. Leon -----Original Message----- > > >Sylvie Gallet wrote: >> >> Hi Leon, >> >> >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose. >> >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the >> >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has >> >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s). >> >> Download the following file from my web site: >> >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip >> >> Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll >> write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file. > >Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any >resolution? > >- Eric > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dilvie Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:21:14 -1000 Leon Duych wrote: > > Eric and Sylvie, > > First Sylvie: > Thank you very much for your kind offer. I'll get right on it!!! > > Now for Eric: > If you say so... > I am a first-time user of Fractint with little (translation: NO) experience. > If you could spell out what you mean, I would be much obliged. It's possible to explore your fractals in a lower resolution than you need, and then output to disk at whatever resolution you require (via the disk/ram video options), where you can view and edit in another program (such as photoshop or psp). - Eric Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 14:03:58 -0800 Damascena, No such thing as 'soppy'. What you say is honest and open and forthright. That is 'good'. Ray Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nature Leseul" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:53:59 -0600 <<> _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants > to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the > threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P > _Chaos_ is by James Gleick. It's a nice book, although I don't think very much in it would be new to people on this list; it's a popularization. I don't recall the reference, though. Were the atoms themselves actually in an M-set pattern, and not merely some mathematical description of their states? That would surprise me a bit, too.>> ::Flips through Chaos for an hour or so looking for the reference:: Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote: "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics. Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and [Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their pictures of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased their magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every tendril and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps we should believe in magic,' they wrote." !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i! Nature Leseul i!i! i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i! i!i! make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns, i!i! i!i! and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You i!i! i!i! see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i! i!i! that it consumes all who approach it." i!i! !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damascena@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 18:58:59 EST In a message dated 2/19/99 2:54:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, elmont@cdsnet.net writes: > Damascena, > > No such thing as 'soppy'. What you say is honest and open and forthright. > That is 'good'. > > Ray Ray -- Thank you! but -- I'm a writer. I know soppy when I see it, even if I just wrote it myself. Sometimes it's the only way to say something without being pretentious. (I leave pretention to the side of me that sometimes says, "I'm a fractal artist....") Dama Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 20 Feb 1999 11:34:45 +1100 > Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not >liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote: > > "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics. >Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and >[Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase >transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their pictures >of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was >coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more >tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased their >magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until >suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared >a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every tendril >and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps >we should believe in magic,' they wrote." And you can look at Fractint's "Magnet" fractals to see what they were talking about. I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made this thing about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated from other functions sound rather mundane: "The reason for this is that the family of functions f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior of many high iterates of functions near places where the derivative is zero..." When I looked at the Magnet fractals before writing I noticed that as well as the Mandelbrot version producing copies of the Mandelbrot set, the Julia version produced copies of Julia sets--just like the formulas I posted the other day. I wonder if that holds true for any formula in which the Mandelbrot form appears. Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) The Price of Fractal Software Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:01:27 -0500 Tim wrote > I don't think Fractint will "die"... Viva Fractint! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: J of M Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:19:03 -0500 Please resend this PAR in a one-part message. My browser couldn't handle the three-part version. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:57:41 -0500 True, each color boundary is a natural contour, but only the limiting contour (iteration infinity) is the true fractal. In terms of actual graphics, a true RENDERNIG of the fractal could be defined by stipulating= a minimum number of consecutive levels identical at a given zoom level. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Re: Single Layer Syndrome Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:12:06 -0800 Michael Traynor writes: "...I prefer...some...individual layers more interesting than the full UF image....." I find the same thing. Upon occasion I will delete a layer completely, even after working on it for untold minutes, because the single layer is great - can't, in my estimation, be improved upon with any addition. Whether it is the conditioning of Fractint, which I dearly love, or not, it happens, and it has happened several times. Occasionally I will end up with a single layer that has no bearing, relationship or connection to the original image brought up, that I have to laugh (well, I am mildly amused by it) realizing that I have brought up perhaps three or four combined images and end up with this single layer. Ah, well! It is one of the diversions of this process we call 'living' that occur once in a while. I was sort of glad to see that someone else had experienced the same thing. Regards Ray Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:06:27 -0500 But what if you could zoom in on the post-processed images? As long as there is a dense set of points which when approached reveal endless detai= l, I would still consider the image a fractal, even if that detail is smooth= ed over. The idea is that the amount of smoothing should be appropriate to the zoo= m level. A fractal contour may be smoothed slightly for aesthetic purposes,= but when magnified the smooth curve should be replaced by a more complicated smooth curve each time. (I know, easier said than done...) :) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:10:37 -0500 Please refrain from using profane language. It is not appreciated by the users of this mailing list, as I'm sure Tim will agree. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:24:14 -0500 What is Linas Vepstas' formula? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:35:21 -0700 (MST) It's a way of getting continous tone images from iteration counts. Basically, as |z| -> infinity, the "+c" can be ignored and |z| will increase doubly-exponentially with iteration number. That is, taking the (appropriately scaled) log(log(|z|)) will give numbers that vary linearly with iteration number. In other words, a smooth gradation of color. Damien and I have incorporated Linas' ideas into some of our coloring schemes; if no one beats me to it, I can post the exact details. Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/ On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Barry N Merenoff wrote: > What is Linas Vepstas' formula? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:35:21 -0700 (MST) It's a way of getting continous tone images from iteration counts. Basically, as |z| -> infinity, the "+c" can be ignored and |z| will increase doubly-exponentially with iteration number. That is, taking the (appropriately scaled) log(log(|z|)) will give numbers that vary linearly with iteration number. In other words, a smooth gradation of color. Damien and I have incorporated Linas' ideas into some of our coloring schemes; if no one beats me to it, I can post the exact details. Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/ On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Barry N Merenoff wrote: > What is Linas Vepstas' formula? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Duych" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re "Select Video Mode" Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:37:48 -0800 Sorry. -----Original Message----- Please refrain from using profane language. It is not appreciated by the users of this mailing list, as I'm sure Tim will agree. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Thanks (long) Date: 20 Feb 1999 03:34:35 -0500 At 10:40 PM 2/19/99 +1030, you wrote: >Having just said the above, Fractint has saved me years of my life too! After reading some articles >by Pickover I tried to emulate his images using Basic in a few of its variations. I can hear all of >the REAL programmers out there groaning, but it's all I had and my programming skills are about on >par with my maths, so not much point forking out for C++ or whatever. I didn't get to his images, >but I produced fractals. Firstly black and white only, but later I got to colour. Forking what out? There's a great C++ compiler available for free... -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 20 Feb 1999 03:45:54 -0500 At 04:53 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote: > Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not >liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote: > > "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics. >Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and >[Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase >transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their pictures >of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was >coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more >tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased their >magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until >suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared >a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every tendril >and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps >we should believe in magic,' they wrote." BOF is the source of Gleick's reference. It also has actual pictures. The "magnet" types in Fractint came from those investigations, hence their name. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Derbyshire Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 20 Feb 1999 04:15:02 -0500 At 11:34 AM 2/20/99 +1100, you wrote: > I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made this thing >about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated from other functions >sound rather mundane: "The reason for this is that the family of functions >f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior of many high iterates of functions >near places where the derivative is zero..." I never saw any such phrase inmy copy of BOF. Anyways, the mini-Mset will generally appear whenever these conditions are met: 1. The parameter z_0 is chosen where f' is zero. 2. At that location f'' is non-zero. 3. The set { z : |f'(z)| <= 1 } has a connected component containing z_0 and containing no other critical points, and is bounded. If condition 3 is violated a mini Mset appears but may be distorted and fused to others in a weird way, or even stretched infinitely. If condition 2 is violated, the Mset is not quadratic, and you see a degree-n Mset (3 or above) when f', ..., f(n-1) are zero at z_0 and f(n) is non-zero. If all derivatives are zero at z_0 you get an exponential-family Mandelbrot. (Note that for e^z, all derivatives tend to zero at -inf, and the forward image of -inf is 0, so we get an exponential Mset for e^z+c and z_0 = 0.) If condition 1 is violated you get a perturbed set that has some M-set properties, mostly determined by the nature of the critical point closest to z_0. >When I looked at the Magnet fractals before writing I noticed that as well >as the Mandelbrot version producing copies of the Mandelbrot set, the Julia >version produced copies of Julia sets--just like the formulas I posted the >other day. I wonder if that holds true for any formula in which the >Mandelbrot form appears. Of course... they're part of the same 4 dimensional Mandel-Julia object that occurs in the z_0xc parameter space near points where: * f'z(z,c) = 0 (differentiating with respect to z) * f(z,c) = z * f''z(z,c) != 0 (for quadratic M/Jul) and preimages of such points. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -() < circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." ------------------------------------------------- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net _____________________ ____|________ Paul Derbyshire pderbysh@usa.net Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:36:33 +1 le 14 Feb 99 a 13:50, Tim Wegner ecrivait (Tim Wegner wrote) : > Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a > worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know. > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many > platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my > efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features with > Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously. I am very in late in this discussion because I have had too much work and time spent with such fascinating problems as "why does my new computer with NT does not detect my sound card, and one or two days after, why does it ignore my 2nd net card when it detect my sound card :-(". Problems solved now :-) What do you think, to answer to your question, of Terry W. Gintz's Dofozon. Sources are available and it has a reasonably good compatibility with Fractint formula and parameter files. Look at ftp://ftp-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/twggfa/dze1171b.zip dze1172.zip and dzsrc117.zip. Terry admits that to make his parser faster it might be programmed in assembler but that he is not a specialist of this language. Jean-Pierre louvet : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractal album : http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: (fractint) New pages about colors in fractals Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:42:47 +1 Some time ago I sent the following message to the fractal art discussion list but I have had no comment (comments, good or bad, may help me to improve these pages). Beginning of the message : "I have added to my site a page (for readers who are not specialists) about fractal colouring. The URLs are English : http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/colors.html French : : http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/couleurs.html This page has links with a page with the texts of the thread about this topic which was discussed in this list one year ago. The URL of this page is http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/colorsfa.html I hope that the layout of this page may made it readable in spite of the great number of messages, replies etc. reproduced in it. Any comment, suggestion, correction about my page will be welcome. Some of you, who are theoricians, may help me by looking if there are not heresies in my text or if it can be completed (or simplified). Thank you for your attention. And may be this can initiate a new thread because I think that some of you have new ideas (Earl for example ?)." End of the message. Jean-Pierre louvet : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractal album : http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: New Pages About Colors in Fractals Date: 20 Feb 1999 06:59:37 -0500 Sorry, my browser cannot connect to that site. When the site becomes available, however, I will be glad to comment on it. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 20 Feb 1999 23:59:23 +1100 I wrote... >> I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made >> this thing about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated >>.from other functions sound rather mundane: "The reason for this >> is that the family of functions f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior >> of many high iterates of functions near places where the derivative is >> zero..." and Paul Derbyshire wrote... >I never saw any such phrase in my copy of BOF. I can only go by my sources: "This page is an extraction of a small part of Adrien Douady's excellent article Julia sets and the Mandelbrot set in The beauty of fractals: images of complex dynamical systems by H.-O. Peitgen and P. H. Richter, Springer-Verlag publ., 1986, pp. 161-173." The page in question is at: http://math.binghamton.edu/MATH/topics/mandel/mandel_why.html >Anyways, the mini-Mset will generally appear whenever these conditions are met: [snip] Thanks for the explanation but I have to admit that I didn't understand a word of it. Actually, that's not true: I understood "Anyways". Mark Townsend marktown@netspace.net.au Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.P. Louvet" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Pages About Colors in Fractals Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:00:07 +1 le 20 Feb 99 a 6:59, Barry N Merenoff ecrivait (Barry N Merenoff wrote) : > Sorry, my browser cannot connect to that site. When the site becomes > available, however, I will be glad to comment on it. > Following a major electric problem in the neighboring of the campus several services of our network have suffered yesterday. I have a mirror site at http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/ It seems that it works. I hope that all will be OK Monday. Jean-Pierre louvet : louvet@iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractal album : http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) The Price of Fractal Software Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:16:46 +0100 Fractint est most, vive UltraFractal! Er.... sorry ;-) -- Dean-Christian Strik ICQ: 11760568 dean2@bigfoot.com cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping. -----Original Message----- Tim wrote > I don't think Fractint will "die"... Viva Fractint! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgen H Bell" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:36:34 -0500 Ken Childress wrote: I have to admit to being puzzled by this assessment. What do you mean by cheating and why would UF be cheating? As Damien has pointed out, things such as true color and layering can be done with Fractint, albeit with more effort maybe. So, what would make UF cheating when compared to Fractint? After another two days of experimenting, I think it's more like driving a car with an automatic transmission. I keep kicking the floor looking for the clutch. Most, not all certainly, but most of the images that people put on their web sites are very visually (at least to me) pleasing images. While many are not exactly to my personal likes, I can see the effort that was made to make the images as good as possible. Are these images a different class (for lack of a better word) from those that you like to create? Yes, a whole new category. At least the ones in which there are two or more completely different fractals layered onto each other. Many of the FotD images, for example, I find are interesting from the standpoint of the shapes and designs that they create. However, I don't find many of them visually pleasing. That isn't a criticism, it's just my reaction. Visually, Ultra Fractal is stunning--it makes beautiful pictures! But I'm still new even to Fractint (I've only had my computer since October) so the possibilities are overwhelming. Probably, after another week of UF, I'll be frustrated by Fractint and have to go through a sort of reverse readjustment. Really, I wouldn't want to give up either program. They complement each other well. Morgen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "narada" Subject: Re: (fractint) Metaphor Date: 21 Feb 1999 13:02:22 +1100 Thanks Damien, Images the quality of these certainly make me enthused to explore the posibilities of Ultrafractal further. I might even check out their list for a while. The two programs do represent such different qualities in the results they can achieve, and I guess I have become somewhat conditioned to think in FractInt idealizations. >The images I have produced with Ultra Fractal have a much wider range of >coloring algorithms. I cannot emphasize enough, if FractInt is all your >experience, I can see where you might think that layering means slapping >any two fractals together. Yes, you can do this with Ultra Fractal, but in >my opinion the best fractal images do not. Instead, they select from the >wide variety of coloring algorithms and use them to reinforce elements of >the fractal structure. I submit for your consideration these images: > > http://www.fractalus.com/lure.jpg > http://www.fractalus.com/spade.jpg Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: (fractint) Another Par Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:45:35 -0500 Hi all Another of my old fashioned pars. Dama, You like boundaries- hope you enjoy this one. Julia on the web { ; Thomas G. Conally, 1999 ; A Mandelbrot Julia ; colormap by Tom Conally ; SF7 reset=1960 type=mandel passes=b center-mag=-1.76973573913609700/+0.00481838584192349/30426.78 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=50000 bailoutest=real fillcolor=555 colors=000Ul4030<16>Dq1Et2Dt2<13>0z0<2>000<4>420030z30<5>z61w71zz0zy01x0\ 2w00v00u05s0<14>Kb10a1M`1<26>k53l43m24n05n15z35n55<13>nX7oZ8nY8<53>DPKCO\ LCOLCOM<6>CQPDQPFQO<28>x_1z`0y`1w`3v`5<29>0z0Vl4 } Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! Boomerangs http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally Paradise http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Fractal Images http://members.tripod.com/~afractal Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@ph