From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Bugs and Midgets Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:32:16 -0500 Jim and Ken, >> But I have seen several reports that UF can zoom one or two orders of= magnitude deeper than Fractint. << > I don't believe this to be true. UF doesn't currently support arbitrar= y precision. That is coming in the next version. About the max you can zo= om is on the order of 1e17. < I believe that you can zoom in about 3 orders of magnitude more in UF tha= n Fractint because UF uses the 80-bit long-double register math, while Fractint uses only 64-bit instructions. Tim once made an experimental version of Fractint that allowed a few fractal types to use the long-doub= le arithmetic, but it would have been too time-consuming to convert all of Fractint this way, so it was not further pursued. The nice thing is that= long-double doesn't slow down the computations like arbitrary precision does. Converting Mandelbrotmix4 to arbitrary precision would be extremel= y slow compared to mandels or julias. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Bugs and Midgets Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:57:30 -0800 (PST) > At 09:38 PM 2/29/00 -0800, Ken Childress wrote: > >Jim, > > > >>Your assumption is confirmed. Those blocky, square and rectangular > >>shapes you run into at very large magnitudes are not a bug. They > >>are a sign that the limit of mathematical precision has been > >>exceeded. Since I have relatively little experience with Ultra- > >>Fractal, I cannot confirm that it has deeper zooming capacity. But > >>I have seen several reports that UF can zoom one or two orders of > >>magnitude deeper than Fractint. > > > >I don't believe this to be true. UF doesn't currently support > >arbitrary precision. That is coming in the next version. About the > >max you can zoom is on the order of 1e17. > > This confirms what I said. The maximum magnitude Fractint can reach > without switching to arbitrary precision is around 1e13. If UF can > zoom to 1e17, then it exceeds the zoom limit of Fractint by a factor > of around 10,000. My mistake. I didn't understand the distinction you made above. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) fractals and art Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:21:36 -0500 The painting "Nami" (don't know the artist) is an excellent fractal. It i= s an abstract depiction of an ocean wave. Sincerely, Collin Merenoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lele" Subject: R: (fractint) fractals and art Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:03:31 +0100 > like Escher maybe), ancient Indian artists, - Check out Paul Klee's paintings maybe pollock too ciau ne', lele ...WINDOWS: (W) ish (I) (N)ever (D)itched (O)ld (W)orking (S)oftwAre. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: [Fwd: (fractint) fractals and art] Date: 01 Mar 2000 16:29:04 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2844364653A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eleanor - A place to start might be the latest of Amazon.com's hard-sell items (ie, listed on their homepage) called Fractals in African Art, or some such. Otherwise, just input "fractal" to amazon.com, B&Noble, or Borders' search engines and you'll get a wealth of books on the intersection of fine art/fractals/symmetry in general, etc. Good authors to look up are Hargittai(Istvan), and the more popular typess like Glieck(Chaos), and the whole crew of former and current Science News correspondents like Ivars Petersen, etc. You may also wish to check out a great vendor named Lifespring: all fractal based images which can be obtained as prints, Kodachromes, and even coffee cups (I like mine).If you're interested, I can provide you with the name and URL's of the last few places which have old copies of FracPaint software and other artist-friendly graphics tools. Finally, at last count, I had 6 books about Escher and fractals. Actually what he's doing is called "tiling" and "conformal mapping" (a la Roger Penrose's "kites and darts"), all of which seem to appeal aesthetically to the same people, including myself. Good luck, DeBow Freed md PhD --------------2844364653A3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from lists.xmission.com from [198.60.22.7] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.432) with esmtp for sender: id ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:52:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12Q16o-0003yu-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000301045133.47302.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.88.190.131] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com X-Airmail-Delivered: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:52:57 -0600 (CST) X-Airmail-Spooled: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:52:56 -0600 (CST) I have been getting into fractals and fractal shapes and have been leaning that artists were influenced by and had used fractals shapes in their art work even before the word fractals was coined. Do any of you have ideas as to which artists these might be (like Escher maybe), ancient Indian artists, etc. Thanks Eleanor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------2844364653A3-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 02-03-00 (Network of Tongues [3]) (c) Date: 02 Mar 2000 00:14:34 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 02, 2000 (Rating 3) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal is different. It is different because it has no midget at the center, and also because it is not much more than a pattern. I named the picture "Network of Tongues" because it is a view of some familiar tongue-like objects seen from an unfamiliar direction, in which the tongues appear as a network of crossing bands. Regardless of whether one examines the Mandelbrot or Julia aspects of the formula Z^50000+C, it would never be expected to produce anything other than a circle with 49999 or 50000 identical invisible tiny bays around the circumfrence. But today's fractal does not examine the Mandelbrot or Julia aspects of this extreme formula -- it examines the Rectangular aspect, cutting through the Julibrot along the imag(z) and imag(c) axes at a point just inside the hypersurface of the four-dimensional object. The criss-crossing parallel bands are actually a sideways view of a few of the tens of thousands of tiny bays around the perimeter of the fractal. On the large scale the bands appear identical, though a deeper examination will reveal the tiny differences that appear because every band is cut at a slightly different point. As a special treat for all time-presses fractalists, the parameter file renders in a short 19 seconds. And running the parameter file is really the best way to view the image, since this preserves the image data. For those who would still prefer to download the finished image, that image has been posted to Usenet at: and to the web at: The fractal weather today was partly cloudy and 61F (16C), which was enough to lure the fractal cats onto the porch -- at least while the sun was shining. Once again today all my philosophical energy was expended on a separate letter to the philofractal list. I'll try again tomorrow to return to my topic of fractal spirituality -- but no guarantee is implied. Until then, take care, and make fractals while the sun shines. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Network_of_Tongues { ; time=0:00:19.38 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=RectangularN passes=1 center-mag=0/+0.00063368152078376/2563.02/0.9625/-52\ .867/15.735 params=50000/0/0.99983/0/0.99983/0 float=y maxiter=350 bailout=25 inside=150 logmap=3 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000HCMcRZ8aCMVN_OY4VWKQ_ZLcH00Y9MR0mb9j2l7QXQ\ s6ppCkQISaH_uClrEjoGhP0KU5S`9XgDbZFncGkhHii3xC2D<2>d\ E`6DnSFjjDU<2>mGdxrNteUpT`clQgaWjRaqJ1oIN8Pd<2>cJgho\ nkYjjB1lENHH_g9EjT6kPJlLWaPYNwPWhWdVaAfcUUeNdA<2>gN_\ Asb<2>cQfqvGoaUMs6<2>fQZsQPpLZfDSjF_dOzgLsjJmXE7<2>i\ HZqp0odFnTU4zA<2>bS_720TAMpgonUk_vN<2>jRbIlDTaOcRYXw\ ZbhahVdb`GhRUMYW<2>fLdeneOQCXNNeKYpNvoLqnJl0AML3fV8g\ dDgpq8nZQOeyXXsePm6rA<2>bQ_axp<2>jSi0hYHZaYQdX1jXVeR\ abafhmmz_URPD4DSN2edHNgW5j<3>qzQUtH6o8kMxlKrmIloTz<2\ >mKkmKBmISD7mQBkaEi2zEIjOYWY2pSzOcuLeqJfQIq<2>gHiaKC\ gIS1`7QRQjqSgbjjShrSW<2>nJd2syIfsYUmp`tM29fFVjGaY6Jh\ gfkUg99kbGXcl0<2>kPXiNCkKSc6ZhCcRZO<2>hLbSQ0<2>hJXdk\ xg`rjRl_VE<2>jK`S_ebQfSQb_NdfKftpzpZpGD_SFbbGeq38o8K\ nDWttwqfqoUl1K8IJKYIWyLnuJkqIi8t6JjG } frm:RectangularN {; Jim Muth b=p1, z=flip(real(pixel))+p2, c=flip(imag(pixel))+p3: z=z^(b)+c, |z| <= 16 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ton Koppens" Subject: (fractint) Mandel_Lake pars Date: 02 Mar 2000 11:56:34 +0100 Hello list, I've been playing with the formula Sylvie Gallet posted recently wich I thought was very nice. Here are some sample pars, please feel free to comment. Greetings, Ton 00020401 { ; CalcTime 0:01:02.72 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 04 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 6 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=y passes=1 center-mag=-0.715895/0.45576/6.666667 params=-2/0.05/2/50/0.2/300 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=fhYmphorkmohoqjlognqilnfmphknemohkmdlogjlclnfjlbkneikbkmdhkajlchj\ `jlbgi_ikbgiZhkafhYhj`fhYgi_egXgiZ<14>acQ`bP`bP`bP<3>_aN_`MZ`MZ`MZ_L_aMa\ cO_aMYZJ<4>WYHWXHWXHVXGVXG<2>RTEQSEQSFQSG<3>WZR<3>CDA675454565<3>A96CA6D\ B6<2>OKCOKANJ8MI5<3>SM5UN5VO5<2>_S4<8>njQplSqoV<3>xwc<6>bmXZkWWiV<2>MeSJ\ cRHcRD`P9ZO9XN8UL<3>7QJ7PI7OH7NG6MG6LF<2>APJ8MH6JE4FB<4>3A7396286<3>1437\ 76787898<3>OQPLNMIKIFGEEFD<4>HIHIJHJKI<2>LMKMNLOQONOM<40>ormpsnqto<2>svq\ twrruotvrqtnsvqqsmruppsmruoprlqtnorkqsmoqjpsmnqiprl } 00020801 { ; CalcTime 0:00:44.59 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 08 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 6 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=y center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=1/1/1/35/0.4/300 float=y inside=atan outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=acdqstnpsprrmoqoqplnononkmmmnljlkkmjikijkhhjgijegiehicfhcghaegaff\ _df_deYdeYcdWccXbbUbbVaaSaaT``P``R__N__PYYLZZNXXJYYLWWHXXJVUFWWHUTDVVFTS\ BUUDRQ8TSBRP8SRAQO8SR9QN8RP9PM8PN8<11>E83D73C52<2>921800911<8>KGHLIJMKL<\ 2>QPQRQSQPPUUVPONWXZPOLZ`bONJUWWNMIPQPNMGKKIMLEFEALKCGE9MKCHE8OKCIE7PLBJ\ E5RLBMG5SLBPI6UMASK7VMAVM8XN9aQAaTFbXKe_M<2>ljWnn_rrbtvezzf<3>haFcW8ZP0<\ 2>TL0RJ0QJ0<3>MG0LF0KE0<2>HC0<4>`YJeaNifR<3>zxf<4>ZYOTSKNNG<3>000<4>000<\ 4>SRJYXNcaR<3>zxf<4>ZYOTSKNNG<3>000<4>000<4>000344000788000BCC000FGG556J\ KKBBCNOPGHIQSTMNOUWXSSUY_`XY_bceeghhilikmkknkmonnqmoqqqtoqsttwqsuwwzsuxv\ vyrtwuvyrtvtuxqsvsuxprurtworurtvnqt } 00020804 { ; CalcTime 0:01:16.12 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 08 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 6 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=y center-mag=-0.130163/0.75626/6.666667 params=3.270271919919431/4.941831720938749/1.230036317026276/44.00323496\ 200446/0.3323038422803431/250.1119113742485 float=y maxiter=647 inside=atan outside=real decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=urp054032000<16>000<3>000111222<36>gjfhkgilh<3>nql000kkkzwwxutzww\ xusyvvwtryvuvtrxutvsqxusurpwtrurovtrtqntsqspnrrpqompqoonlnonmmklnmkljjmk\ ikihkjgjhejieigcihchfahgage_ff_fdYedYedWdcXccUbbVbbSaaTaaP``R``N__P__LYY\ NZZJXXLYYHWWJXXFUVHWWDTUFVVBSTDUU8QRBST7PQARS8QR9RS7PQ8QR7MN7PQ6JK7MN5GH\ 6JK5FE8IH5DABHD6B6EG9A82HF5DA3JG5GC4LH6JE5NI6MG5PJ7PI6RK7SK7<2>XN9aQAaTF\ bXKe_M<2>ljWnn_rrbtvezzf<3>haFcW8ZP0<2>TL0RJ0QJ0<15>A70960860<3>43003202\ 1000<3>000000000<3>000<4>0FA0IC0LF<3>Jb_NgdSli<2>fzz<3>Jb_DXT7RM0LF<5>07\ 5 } 00021001 { ; uses found_object7.map by Kathy Roth ; CalcTime 0:00:34.25 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 10 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 6 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=n center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=-0.1302591021454512/0.04721518601031524/16.60734885708182/45.2768\ 9443647572/-0.2630573442793054/300.8947111423078 float=y inside=fmod decomp=256 biomorph=1 cyclerange=0/255 colors=000dgWbXN<8>NJDLICJGB<3>CA7<6>RMGTOHVQI<3>bXN<3>QMGNJEKHCHEA<3>UP\ HXSJ_ULbXN<4>QMFNJDKHC<3>985<4>985<3>A96A96`VM<3>B97<3>CA8CA8000<3>00000\ 0111<28>oooqqqsss<3>zzz<27>AAA888666444222000<57>000000000<2>000111332<2\ 3>ldTnfUphV<3>xn_<7>jbShaRdfW } 00021501 { ; CalcTime 0:00:24.33 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 15 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 6 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=n center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.4/0.1253/24/45/0.2/350 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=64 biomorph=1 colors=aAECMA<2>BI9BH8BH8<3>AE79D6DE6<3>UI9YJAaLBeMCgODjQF<2>nVJ<3>vdByg\ 8yh5yi3<14>yuhyukyvn<2>yywzzzxww<9>bRS`NPYKL<2>SACP68P68<18>aBHbBHcBIcCI\ dCJeCJdCIcBHbBF`AC<3>X86W75U63<21>sjTtlUunV<2>ytZzv_yv_<24>ZumYunXun<2>U\ upStqRrp<13>CNYBLX9JV<3>5AQ<3>77E86B858945A32<4>A96AA7AC8AD9AEA<4>DMGEOH\ FQIFRKGTLHVMHWOIYPJ_R<3>KcPKdOKeOKfNLhM<6>enBhoAkp8<3>wt1<6>Zf8Vd9SbA<3>\ DVF<5>CNB } 00022501 { ; uses jacco200.map ; CalcTime 0:00:59.92 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 25 Feb 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_m.frm formulaname=Mandel_lake ismand=n center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.2/0.5/36/45/0.2/250 float=y inside=bof60 outside=imag decomp=128 biomorph=1 colors=zzzfdeZWYTPRNJMJEHFAC957957634422<2>200<13>`00c00e00<3>o00<9>ub0v\ f0wj0<3>zz0<3>zk0zg0zc0<3>zO0<25>zq0zr0zt0<2>zw0zw1zw3<3>zw9zwAzuA<13>mL\ AlJAkGAjEAiBAh8Bf59d17<8>P13N13L13<3>E11K00N00<3>U00V00W00<6>b00c00d00<7\ >i00j00k00<2>m00m00m22<3>oDDpGGpHG<10>oa6nc5ne4<2>nk1mm0mm3<10>uuevvhwwl\ <3>zzz<4>zzzzai<3>znbzqazt_zxY<12>zyqzyrzyt<2>zyxzzzzzyzywzxvzwt<3>xiZxf\ TwbN<3>uP0uQ2uN2 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Mandel_Lake pars Date: 02 Mar 2000 14:27:49 -0300 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF846C.A2260BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>Here are some sample pars, please feel free to comment. Very nice, specially the last one (0022501). In my next site update I'll be including a couple of images which also use this impressive feature. Regards, Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF846C.A2260BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: (fractint) Mandel_Lake pars

>>>Here are some sample pars, please feel = free to comment.

Very nice, specially the last one (0022501). In my = next
site update I'll be including a couple of images = which
also use this impressive feature.

Regards,
Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF846C.A2260BC0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 03-03-00 (A Work of Lace [5]) (c) Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:57:32 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 03, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: It's been another busy day here at Fractal Central, which serves other purposes during the daylight hours. Having so much work that pays, I had little time for hunting fractals, which does not pay. But with the aid of my faithful fractal companion MandelbrotMix4, I did manage to find a fractal. The fractal may not be the best of all time, but it is still good enough to pass for FOTD for 03-03-00. The fractal picture that resulted from my hurried efforts was named "A Work of Lace". The lace-like filaments surrounding the central midget inspired the name. These filaments, not surprisingly, are fractal in themselves. The deeper one zooms into them, the more they sub-divide. Like everything in the land of fractals, this sub-division continues to infinity. The image was created by bringing up the M-Mix4 formula and adding a tiny bit of Z^(-2) to Z^5. The parameter file completes in a relatively speedy 1-1/2 minutes. If this is still too long to wait, the image file has been posted in GIF format to: and to: I chose GIF format for today's fractal because when I JPEG'd the image, it suffered too much deterioration. I'll return to the standard JPEG format tomorrow. The fractal weather was March-like today, as blustery winds made the temperature of 54F (12C) feel a lot colder than it actually was. Of course, any high wind keeps the fractal cats indoors, snug by their radiator. There was simply no time for deep fractal-philosophy thought today. I'll give it another try tomorrow. Until then, take care, and the only thing better than a fractal is a second fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Work_of_Lace { ; time=0:01:21.02 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.71089911843303690/+0.70377407190488450\ /42499.88/1/130 params=1/5/0.001/-2/0/0 float=y maxiter=750 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=11 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000TUw<5>JeyHgyFiy<3>9qz<3>ImmKhjM_g<3>UPWWMT\ YJQ<2>cBHe9If8I<3>b6Pa6R`6T<3>Y5Z<7>XOSXRRXTQXWQXYP<\ 3>_fM<18>rRJsQJtPIuPIvOI<5>wJHwIHwHG<3>wEG<8>wcMweMw\ hN<2>wqPwsPwtU<3>wxjwynvzm<14>gzmfzmezm<2>bzmbzm`zk<\ 16>FzKEzIDzG<3>7zA2z06z8<3>1z15zS<27>1z50z40z4<3>0z0\ wzt<26>CzBAzA8z8<3>1z18zR<20>0z2 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 04-03-00 (Only a Sideshow [4]) (c) Date: 04 Mar 2000 02:00:30 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 04, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: I've named today's fractal "Only a Sideshow". I gave it this name because I stumbled upon it while on the spoor of another scene. Since today's image rated a modest 4, and I had no assurance that the scene I was hunting would be any better, I declared the accidental discovery Fractal of the Day. The main event may of may not ever appear. The formula behind the picture adds a tiny bit of 1/Z to a lot of Z. This is another of those combinations that would not be expected to produce anything of interest. But as is so often the case, fractals are surprising. There are two ways to view the surprise -- the long hard way and the short easy way. The long hard way is to run the attached parameter file and wait 25 minutes. The short easy way is to retrieve the JPEG image file found on Usenet at: and on the Web at: Of course, choosing the short easy method deprives you of the embedded data. The fractal weather was sunny but quite March-like today, with brisk breezes and a temperature of 54F (12C). The combination held the fractal cats to only a brief trip out of doors. The time I found to ponder philosophy was briefer than even the cats' outing. In fact, it was so close to zero as to be insignificant. But hope springs eternal, and I'll try again tomorrow. Until then, take care, and after all these years we still don't know exactly what a fractal is. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Only_a_Sideshow { ; time=0:24:50.12 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.03232711189412853/+0.01890824624256709\ /1.774262e+009 params=10/1/0.01/-1/-0.9/100 float=y maxiter=3600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=480 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000z00z00z30zC0vI0oQ0iY0ba0dd2eg8gjDilKjoQlrV\ mvaowgqzlrzrtzyrzvtzzrzzvzzwzzyyz<3>zozzlzzizzgzzdyz\ byz_wzXv<3>zbwzdwzeyzgyzgy<3>zmzzozzqzzqzzeqmVgaKYN8\ O305A0GF0SK0bA0oO2mbCloNlzXjzejzbqz_vzYzzVzzVzzTz<2>\ zSzwQztQwqQvlOriOoeOmbNj_NiXNeTNdOLa<3>CKS8KQ5KN0LG2\ LL5OQ8TVCY_FbdIii<2>SwwYzzVzzSwyOqvNlrKeoGalFViCQe8K\ b3Dg7D_8DTADNDDGFDAGD3ID0GD3FD8FDFDDKCDOCDVAD_ADdGAY\ <2>V0K<3>o00t00y00w00w33vDAvNGtXNteTro_ryevzwrzlqzao\ zQmzGlz5jz0iz0QC0LD0GD2CD87DD2DI0DO0DT0DV0DY0Fd5GiFG\ oNItXIzdKzjGzlKzmNzmOroSioTaqXSqYKraArb2te0tg0qi0<3>\ di0ai0_j0<3>Nj0Kj0Ao0<2>Yt0av0ew0by0_y3<3>NzTKz_Gze<\ 2>7zy3zz2zz2zz3zz3zz5zy5zt7zq7zl8zo7zi5zd3zY2zT0zO<3\ >0z20z00z00z02z0<3>Lz0Qz0Vz0_z0bz0Yz0Tz0Qz5LzDIzKDzS\ Yz_bzT<2>vzAzz3zz0zz0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eleanor Adika" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractals and art Date: 04 Mar 2000 09:51:54 PST Thanks to all for you help eleanor >From: "Eleanor Adika" >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (fractint) fractals and art >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:51:33 PST > >I have been getting into fractals and fractal shapes and have been leaning >that artists were influenced by and had used fractals shapes in their art >work even before the word fractals was coined. Do any of you have ideas as >to which artists these might be (like Escher maybe), ancient Indian >artists, >etc. > >Thanks > >Eleanor >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@swbell.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) fractals and art Date: 04 Mar 2000 20:20:22 -0500 Thank you Eleanor, for you kind comments. I don't know if I mentioned this to you earlier, but I do sell a Fractal CDROM for $29.95 that has over 2600 of my best images on it (Fractal Dimensions). E-mail me again if you wish ordering instructions. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: (fractint) fractal file losses Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:37:43 EST Never thought it would be me, but i was recently burgled. They took lots of "stuff" that is easily replaceable but they also took my computer...wires and all. Unfortunately they took my zip drive too, and in it was my latest fractint backup zip disk. 3 years of formulas and pars and maps etc, gone! If you keep backups, i strongly suggest keeping two...one being those precious irreplacable files. This week i purchased a new computer and have started to rebuild my loss...orgform. spanky, skinner. To save me some time I was wondering if any of you are interested in sending me links, lists, zipped accumilations of your own...i would greatly appreciate it. in the mean time I am preparing a posting for next week. best regards to all ------- End of forwarded message ------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 05-03-00 (Sea-Ice [5]) (c) Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:33:44 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 05, 2000 Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal scene is part of the overall fractal that results when Z^0.75 is subtracted from 0.01*(Z^(-99)) before adding C. I have named the picture "Sea-Ice" because an earlier version was colored to resemble an expanse of broken ice floes. The icy blue colors have been replaced by an electric violet scheme, but the name has remained the same. The image is composed of those broken, loose-floating fragments of fractal material that characterize most formulae which include negative powers of Z. As the 7-1/2 minutes required to run the parameter file is a bit long for comfort, I suggesting downloading the JPEG image file from: or from: The fractal weather today was once again notably average, though a bit milder than yesterday. The temperature of 56F (13.5C) was close to, but not quite at a temperature warm enough for the fractal cats to enjoy themselves outdoors. For now, I notice that the cats are hungry and the hour is late. My best action is to call it a night and shut down Fractal Central. Until next time, take care, and be kind to your fractals and they'll be kind to you. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Sea-Ice { ; time=0:07:21.06 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+1.99125290358008300/-0.02582855063707024\ /1.458575e+011/1/42.454/0.037 params=0.01/-99/-1/0.75/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=143 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000c5za5w_5uX5qW5oT5kR5iO5fN5cL5aI5YH5WE5SC5Q\ 95M80H80G80D80A<4>80A80A80D80G80880CL3TM3WO2XQ2_R0`<\ 2>W0dN0RM0WL0QO0TXNL<3>aKCbKAcMCcNDdQEdRGfTHfUIgXKgY\ Lh`M<4>jhSkiTkkUllWloXnpYnr_os`ovapwbpxc<2>sndujdugd\ <2>xXdxTdyQf<3>zAfz6fz2fz0f<2>z0gz3hz6hyAiwDivGjuIjs\ MkrOkpRloTlnXnl_nkaoicohgp<2>dnqfln<3>gjdgjbgi`<3>hg\ RhgOifMifKidHidEdfK<3>Ri`NjdKkhGklClp8nu3nxDkwLjvSiv\ _hugfsndsucrzbr<5>l_dj_bh_`fYYcYXaYU_XSXXQUXNSWLQWIN\ UGLTDISAGR9<2>CNSAMYALbCLgCLkQEyI9qA9j28c08X0AY0CY3E\ Y6GY9HYCKYEL_HM_KO_MQ_OS_QT_SU`UX`XY`<3>fdahfajgalia\ ojapkanl`ln_ko_jpY<2>gsXfsWgsU<6>osQpsQqsO<3>vsMwsMx\ scysa<3>zsXzsWzsUzsTzsX<4>zshzsjzsl<3>zsvzsrzspzslzs\ jzshzsd<2>zsXzsfzsp } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacco Burger" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractal file losses Date: 05 Mar 2000 20:17:34 +0100 Your story sounds like a true nightmare! I keep a backup of my most important fractal-files at my work, but after reading your story I think I better make sure it is up to date.... One link that I treasure is the Fractint Discussion List Resources: http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/Resource.htm You are also welcome to download 150 of my Fractint color maps at http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jaccobu Just follow the link called ' Files '. I hope you can find the courage and energy to start all over again! Take care! Jacco ----------------- ----------------- ----------------- e-mail: Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Jacco's Fractal Pages: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm Jacco's Fractal Kitchen: http://www.crosswinds.net/~jacco ----------------- ----------------- ----------------- Van: RParracho@aol.com Onderwerp: (fractint) fractal file losses >Never thought it would be me, but i was recently burgled. They took lots of >"stuff" that is easily replaceable but they also took my computer...wires and >all. Unfortunately they took my zip drive too, and in it was my latest >fractint backup zip disk. 3 years of formulas and pars and maps etc, gone! >If you keep backups, i strongly suggest keeping two...one being those >precious irreplacable files. This week i purchased a new computer and have >started to rebuild my loss...orgform. spanky, skinner. To save me some time >I was wondering if any of you are interested in sending me links, lists, >zipped accumilations of your own...i would greatly appreciate it. in the >mean time I am preparing a posting for next week. > >best regards to all Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: (fractint) fractal file losses Date: 05 Mar 2000 17:43:28 -0500 Hi, >I was wondering if any of you are interested in sending me links, lists,= = >zipped accumilations of your own...i would greatly appreciate it. in th= e = >mean time I am preparing a posting for next week. Maybe you will goto http://www.joweber.de and their to my download page o= r to the Developer Page and you can download much files. For the newest patch 20.0.8 of fractint go to http://www.fractint.org. Best wishes --Jo-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 06-03-00 (Shlubbered Midget [6]) (c) Date: 06 Mar 2000 00:13:33 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 06, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Standing in as FOTD for March 6 we have a shlubbered midget. If you have no idea what a shlubbered midget is, either launch the attached parameter file and wait 15 minutes, or download the pre-calculated image file from Usenet at: or from the web at: and see the image in a matter of seconds. I have named the picture "Shlubbered Midget" purely as a description, for surely no midget has ever been so thoroughly shlubbered, (whatever that means). The formula behind the mayhem is Z^0.7071-2Z^(-1.4142))+C, which is totally whimsical. The image is all inside=fmod, the outside features having long since evaporated with the rising escape radius. The color palette is a slightly modified version of the Shift-F1 palette built into Fractint. All the palettes work well with the inside=fmod option, bringing out the full blobbiness of the bubbles this fill creates. The fractal weather today featured brilliant sunshine and a temperature of 66F (19C), which was just mild enough to keep the fractal cats happy. With such perfect weather to enjoy, I spent most of the day getting caught up in yard work. This left little time for deep philosophical pondering. What little pondering I did involved the possibility that life can be expressed as a fractal. If we could find the formula that accurately describes the past and present, what would happen if we let that formula continue running? Would it predict the future? I came to no conclusion this afternoon, but the possibility is worth consideration. I now must consider the hour. It's 11:45pm, which is already past the time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. Until next time, take care, and see you in 24 hours. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Shlubbered_Midget { ; time=0:15:48.84 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-2.783287532819208/-1.970634413617076/522\ 3.116/1/-77.499 params=1/0.7071/-2/-1.4142/1/5000000 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=fmod proximity=0.5 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000pwz<6>pwz<46>pllpllpll<142>HDDHDDHDD<2>GCC\ GCBGCAFB9FB8<3>EA4EA3EA2<39>401 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractal file losses Date: 06 Mar 2000 01:06:26 -0600 RParracho@aol.com wrote: > > I was wondering if any of you are interested > in sending me links, lists, ......... Hundreds of fractal related references at: http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/Fractal_Links.txt P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 07-03-00 (Midget in a Tile Bowl [6]) (c) Date: 07 Mar 2000 00:57:56 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 07, 2000 (Rating 6 Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal appears about ready to go down the drain. The little midget in the center reminds me so much of the drain in the wash basin that I couldn't resist but naming the picture "Midget in a Tile Bowl". The expression that was calculated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula to produce the image is Z^(0.9)+Z^(-1.9)+C. The escape radius of 17.5 (100-82.5) is critical. A lesser bailout eliminates the edge detail; a greater bailout breaks the image down into scattered bits and pieces. The image then requires an inside fill of something like bof60 to reveal the midget. It also takes almost forever to run. The parameter file is a slow one, which drags along for nearly an hour on a Pentium 200mhz. Relief may be found on Usenet at: and on the Worldwide Web at Paul lee's web site at: in the form of the JPEG'd image file. All wise fractalists will pick up the image from one of these sites and save the parameter file for reference only. The fractal weather today was sunny, but not so warm as yesterday, the temperature of 57F (14C) being just a bit too chilly for the intrepid duo of fractal cats. As for now, the cats are getting hungry and I'm getting tired. Until next time, take care, and wash your troubles down the fractal drain. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Midget_in_TileBowl { ; time=0:54:57.40 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-1.00493407943142000/+0.03758239708686328\ /7.124526e+011/1/147.488/-0.065 params=1/0.9/1/-1.9/0/-82.5 float=y maxiter=8000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=-1125 symmetry=none periodicity=10 mathtolerance=/1 colors=000HUf<3>JkNJpIKtDKx9adGeaOkWUdd`YmfFeM<4>PMa\ RJeTFh<3>_0t<4>aPwbTxbYx<2>clzcpzbnw<3>`hl_gi_fg<3>Z\ YbZWaYU_<2>YOXXLVVIS<2>S9MR6KS5K<3>ZG`_Ie`Ki<2>bPubQ\ yaSv<3>Z_jYagXce<3>UkYUmWToUSqSSrR<3>iWFmQCrL9vF6zA4\ <6>yBIyBKyBM<3>yBU<3>uMWtOXsRXsTX<3>rWQrXPqYN<2>q`Iq\ bHrbG<3>sfBtg9th8ti7<3>vmPvnTwoX<3>wsm<2>wvcmw`yxYvy\ _<7>bzh_ziYzk<2>QznOzoNzm<5>IzeHzdHzc<3>EzZ<4>gzm<2>\ xzu<3>zz_zzVzzQzzL<5>kzeizhfzl<3>Yzy<3>Mz`JzVGzO<3>4\ z0<4>Hz2Jz3Mz3<3>Vz4Xz5Zz6<7>lzEnzFozG<3>vzJ<2>_z6<3\ >IzEEzGAzHtz`<4>_zSFzuGzpGzk } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Hine" Subject: (fractint) Change to Iterates.TGA at Frain200? Date: 06 Mar 2000 22:12:12 -0800 Hello folks, I'm going to try to avoid bothering Tim directly, and post my question here first. A while back I wrote a little program called Deeper (link below) that uses the targa file ITERATES.TGA. This is the file Fractint produces when the command truecolor=yes is used. In order to read the file, I need to know the binary structure of the file, and apparently, that has changed since Frain196... it looks like the header might be the same, but I'm getting gobbeltygook when I try to retrieve and concatenate iteration values. My question is, can anyone point to or send documentation or code describing how the iteration values are being stored in the ITERATES.TGA file at Frain200? I realize this is probably a better question for the developer list, but I thought I'd try here first. And to those who were wondering, in case it wasn't sufficiently clear already: Deeper does not work with Frain200. Use version 19.6 until I get this fixed. Many thanks, Jason Hine tumnus@mindspring.com Author of Deeper --> http://tumnus.home.mindspring.com/deeper.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD, 06-03-00 (Shlubbered Midget) Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:46:19 -1000 Wow - what an image! Glad I finally got to see it! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain G. Stirling" Subject: Re: (fractint) Mandel_Lake pars Date: 07 Mar 2000 23:26:51 -0000 Ton Koppens wrote: > Hello list, > > I've been playing with the formula Sylvie Gallet posted recently wich I > thought was very nice. > Here are some sample pars, please feel free to comment. > Splendid images. I especially like 00020801 - great colours, giving a sort of "metallic" feel to the image. Looks great rendered at 1600x1200 as my windows background :) Thanks, Iain. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) posting to the list Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:58:27 -0600 Turns out that the welcome message you get when you subscribe to this list has been out of date for a while. New members take note - you should send posts to fractint@lists.xmission.com, not fractint@xmission.com. I have also updated my email address. You might as well email me using the easy-to-remember alias twegner@fractint.org. I_m_mad_at_you@fractint.org works equally well :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 08-03-00 (Minibrot Survival [7]) (c) Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:57:58 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 08, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: A Minibrot midget is a delicate thing, especially when the generating formula contains a negative power of Z. In this situation, the scene containing the midget can be 'evaporated' by raising the bailout radius. Not all midgets in fractals with negative exponents in their generating formulae are vulnerable to evaporation, but the midget in yesterday's FOTD is one of the vulnerable ones. As the bailout is increased, the scene breaks down into discrete elements, the elements gradually shrink, and finally vanish altogether, leaving a most boring solid black screen of trapped points. But an invisible ghost still haunts the scene. Today's fractal is the ghost of yesterday's fractal, made visible by applying an inside fill of bof61 to the blank black screen that was left behind when the midget expired. Traces of the original scene are still visible forming circles around the midget, but in addition we now have spectacular multi-colored wedges radiating from the midget and overlapping the circular remains of the tile-like features that appeared in yesterday's FOTD. I named today's FOTD image "Minibrot Survival" because it is a picture of a Minibrot that has survived its own death. With this particular fractal, the inside=bof60 option brings out the best detail. With other images consisting of only trapped points, bof60 brings out the best detail, and with still others fmod or one of the other inside fill options works best. The only way to know for sure which inside fill will draw the best image is to try them all at thumbnail size. Since today's image is all inside, the parameter file is a slow one. Run it and wait if you so decide, but a far better way to view the picture is to go to the Usenet binary newsgroup: and download the JPEG format image file from there. The image may also be found on the WWW at Paul Lee's web site at the following URL: The all-unimportant weather report for today, (which is actually March 07, since the FOTD is dated one day in advance), is as follows -- hazy sunshine with a south wind and a temperature of 70F (21C) -- perfect conditions for cats to lie in the sun. I see that it's past the time to shut down the fractal shoppe, give the fractal cats their evening snack, and call it another day. I'll return tomorrow with another fractal to delight and amaze. Until then, take care, and remember that life is just one big fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Minibrot_Survival { ; time=1:16:04.90 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-1.00493407943142/+0.03758239708686328\ /7.124526e+011/1/147.488/-0.065 params=1/0.9/1/-1.9/0/1e+050 float=y maxiter=8000 bailout=25 inside=bof61 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000QVVSSUVQSXNR_JQaHQdDOfBNi6Mk3Kn0Jo0J<2>M_w\ NYuOXtOWqQVpQVoRUlRSkSRiSQhUQfUOddqhapj_olvnnVlpSkrR\ jtCpx0vz0vj0vU0vB0t9<5>0j80i80h80e8<2>0a8MdNhf_eh`<2\ >_idXSeWifUihRjiQjjNjkMjkNhaOfUXzr_zuaxvdvwetxhqzjoz\ klznjzphzqeztczv`zwYzw`zwazwcz<2>whuwiq<3>wofwqdwr`w\ tYwuWcd`IOeMUjQYnUcqXfu`hv<3>jkxllxolyqnyuozwozypzzq\ zzqzzrzztzztzzpzzlxxivtetpaqk_ohWlcSj_OhVKeRIcQH`OFY\ NFXMDVKDSJCR<2>FBKIHI<3>S_8Vc6Xh3_l0ap0du0ex0fj0hW3`\ R0UM0NH0<3>NI0NI0NI0NI0NI1NI1NI3NI3NI5NI5NI5yMwzJrrH\ ozFkzCfzBc<3>z0N<2>z09etHfrNfqShpX<3>ikpjjujiyjizddw\ __pVVjOQc<2>89JCCN88ISFUdOWpY_jSadMdMUW<2>0k39d1HY1<\ 2>_C0e50k00l16l6BlBFnFK<3>oU`oXdp`ipclpfpqjuqnxqqzqt\ znpyjnuhkp<3>VaWS_ROXMMVHISBFQ5HR8ISBISDJUHJVJKVKKWN\ MXQMXSNYVNYW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) Just a FEW more L-systems... 3/6 Date: 08 Mar 2000 15:19:01 +0100 Hi Super .l-file! I'm now running every (.par) file manually. I need a version of PARTOBAT.exe running in a DOS-Window under Win98 .. My old version 3.3 don't run under Win98.. Is there a version of PARTOBAT.exe working well into a DOS-Window? cheers, Guy At 10:40 20/02/00 GET, you wrote: >ADH120a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f+f-ff-f > } > >ADH120b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+gg-f+g-gg-f > } > >ADH120c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; Sierpinski variation... > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+fg-f+g-ff-f > } > >ADH120d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-g+g-f > } > >ADH120e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f+g-ff-f > } > >ADH120f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f+f-gf-f > } > >ADH120h { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f+f-ff-g > } > >ADH120i { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f > f=g+ff-g+f-ff-g > } > >ADH120j { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+gf-g+f-gf-g > } > >ADH120k { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-g+g-ff-f > } > >ADH120l { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+gg-f+f-ff-f > } > >ADH120o { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=+ff-f+ff-f-f > } > >ADH120p { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+fff-f+f-fff-f > } > >ADH120q { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+ff-f+f-f-ff-f > } > >ADH120r { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+ff-f-f-ff-f > } > >ADH120s { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=ff-f+f-ff-f > } > >ADH120t { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f+f-ff > } > >ADH120u { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=ff-f+f-ff+ > } > >ADH120v { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=ff+ff-f+f-ff-ff > } > >ADH120x { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-ff-f+f+ff-f > } > >ADH120y { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=-ff-f+f-ff+f > } > >ADH120z { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+[gg+f]+g- > } > >ADH120zb { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff+f-[f+f]f+f > } > >ADH120zd { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=fg-f+gf- > } > >ADH120ze { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-f-f+ff-f > } > >ADH120zf { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+ff-[f+f]+ff+f > } > >ADH120zg { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > > > Axiom f+f+f > f=[f-ff]-f+f-ff-f > } > >ADH120zh { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-gg-f+g-gg-f > } > >ADH120zi { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-[gfg]-g+f-gg-f > } > >ADH120zj { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=g-fg-g-gg-f > } > >ADH120zm { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-ff-f+f-[gf-f] > } > >ADH120zn { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-g[f-g+f]-gg-f > } > >ADH120zo { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-gg+f-ff-g > } > >ADH120zp { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=g-ff-g+f-ff-g > } > >ADH120zq { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=g-ff-g+f-ff-g > } > >ADH120zr { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f-gf-g+f-gg-f > } > >ADH120zs { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f-gg-f+g-gf-f > } > >ADH120zt { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=g-ff-g+g-ff-g > } > >ADH120zx { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-fg-f+g+g-fg-f > } > >ADH120zy { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f-ff-f-f-ff-f > } > >ADH120zz { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=ff+f+g-ff-f > } > >ADH120zza { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-ff-f+f-ff > } > >ADH120zzb { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=fg+f+g-fg+ > } > >ADH120zze { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f-fg+f+f+gf-f > } > >ADH120zzf { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=-fg+f+g-fg-f > } > >ADH120zzg { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=f+ff-f+f-ff-f > } > >ADH120zzh { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f+f+f > f=+ff-f-f-ff+f > } > >ADH120zzi { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f-ff+f-f+ff+f > } > >ADH120zzj { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=+ff-f-f-ff-f > } > >ADH120zzl { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+gg+f-g+fg-f > } > >ADH120zzm { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 > Angle 3 ; > Axiom f-f-f > f=f+fg+f+f+gg+f > } > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@swbell.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: RE: (fractint) Change to Iterates.TGA at Frain200? Date: 08 Mar 2000 16:18:57 -0600 Jason, The targa file output is broken in version 20.0. It has been fixed in the developer's version. At least, as far as I can tell. I don't use this feature, so I'm sure I haven't tested everything. The newest version is 20.0.8 and it can be found at http://www.fractint.org. The file you want is FRADEV.ZIP. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) Fractint 20.0.8 Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:54:07 -0500 When I try to get fractint Developer's Version 20.0.8 I end up with 20.0.6 Developer's Version. Is this the same thing each as the other. I'm getting from ftp://ftp.fractint.org . As far as I know I'm doing it right. Please respond ASAP. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: RE: (fractint) Change to Iterates.TGA at Frain200? Date: 08 Mar 2000 16:18:57 -0600 Jason, The targa file output is broken in version 20.0. It has been fixed in the developer's version. At least, as far as I can tell. I don't use this feature, so I'm sure I haven't tested everything. The newest version is 20.0.8 and it can be found at http://www.fractint.org. The file you want is FRADEV.ZIP. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Spanky Fractal Database Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:15:34 -0500 Greetings folks, I've coordinated with Noel Giffin and have been able to set up a mirror of the Spanky Fractal Database: http://spanky.fractint.org/ This has exactly the same content as the primary Spanky web site: http://spanky.triumf.ca/ Or at least, it's supposed to. If you notice glaring problems with the spanky.fractint.org mirror, let me know, and I can look into it. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 09-03-00 (Star-Struck Midget [6]) (c) Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:28:31 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 09, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal was created by the formula 1/Z-Z+C -- a formula that obviously can produce nothing of interest in the way of fractals. But being unaware of the hopeless situation, I went ahead with this simple formula and found a fractal. The fractal I found rates a six, which is a little above average on my 0 to 10 fractal rating scale. I named the picture "Star-Struck Midget" when I noticed the gold star. It's a rather striking image of the obligatory midget surrounded by a golden star on a sky-blue background. The scene may be viewed by running the parameter file or by downloading the image from Usenet at: The image should also be available on Paul Lee's Web site at: If the picture is not yet on the web site, be patient. Paul is busy and sometimes falls a few days behind. The fractal weather was like summer today, with hot sun and a temperature of 84F (29C), which was actually a bit too warm for the fractal cats. To experience a night's rest, I must now close down the fractal shoppe for another day. Until next time, take care, and get in the fractal spirit. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Star-Struck_Midget { ; time=0:08:21.42 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.00027125681534432/-2.81244121931896100\ /1.875122e+007/1/172.5 params=1/-1/-1/1/0/10 float=y maxiter=6000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=134 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000505lxwkwwjuvhrugqtfntdlrckqcho<2>_bmZ_lYZl\ WWkVUjUThTQhTNgRMfQJdPHdNGcMCbLAaJ8aI5_H3ZH1ZJ8cUYu<\ 2>W_vW_wYaw<5>_aw_aw_bwabw<6>cbwccwccwdcwdcwdcwfcwfc\ wfcwfcwdauc_tcZrbWqbVnaUm_Rl_QkZPhZNgYLfYJdWIbVGaVE_\ UCZUBWT8VR7UR5TQ3QQ1PP0NP0MN3LM5JM8ILCHLGGJIEJLCIPBI\ RAHU8HW7G_5Gb4Ed3Eg1Ck0Cm0Bo04u0Br0Hq1No5TnAZmCclHjk\ LnjPuhTzdYzgVxhUwkRulQtmProMqqLnrJmuHlvGjwEhzBgzAdz7\ fz8gz8hx8jw8ku8kt8lq8mo8nm8ol8ojA<2>tdAubAuaAvZAwYAx\ VAzUAzTAURV0Qn0Rl3Rj7RgARdETbHT_JTYNTVQUTUUQWUNZUMY_\ JWgHWmGVuCUzAUz8PzELwIHrNCnREqUGrW<3>IwfIxhJzkJzmMzk\ NzhQzf<2>VzZWzWZzU_zRazQ_zZ<2>_zu_zzZzu<3>ZzWZzQZzJZ\ zCZz5az5cz5rzaqzYqzVqzRozP<2>nzEnzBmz5nz8ozAozBqzCqz\ GrzHrzItzJtzLuzNuzPvzQ<2>xzVxzWzzYzzZzz_zzbzzczzdzzf\ zzhzzgbzc<2>fzkgzmjzo<2>mzwozznzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD, 09-03-00 (Star_Struck Midget [6]) (c) Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:09:58 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > > The image should also be available on Paul Lee's Web site at: > > If the picture is not yet on the web site, be patient. Paul is > busy and sometimes falls a few days behind. > Sorry about some recent delays, but had to make a couple of trips to Minnesota to setup a new LAN at one of our offices and then tie it to our WAN with the new T1 connection. Had problems configuring the CSU/DSU and Router, and setting up the print servers so the UNIX system and NT Server both recognized them on the Network. I should be keeping close to home base for awhile, so no more delays in the foreseeable future. P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint 20.0.8 Date: 09 Mar 2000 22:49:14 -0600 James asked: > When I try to get fractint Developer's Version 20.0.8 I end up with 20.0.6 > Developer's Version. Is this the same thing each as the other. I'm getting > from ftp://ftp.fractint.org . As far as I know I'm doing it right. Please > respond ASAP. I just downloaded ftp://ftp.fractint.org/fradev.zip and it does indeed contain 20.0.8. Thgis is *not* the same thing as 20.0.6. The version is reported on the opening screen. Are you using a web browser to do the FTP transfer? This is a shot in the dark, but maybe you have fradev.zip in your browser cache and you are not really re-uploading it. If so, try the reload button. Jonathan has suggested that I should encode the version in the file name - then there would be no ambiguity. I'll do that. The only other thing I can think of is maybe you aren't running the fractint.exe that you think you are. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) What's our population? Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:41:32 GET Hi, I've been meaning to ask for a long time now, what's the number of subscribers to this conference? Is it relatively static at the moment, or are the numbers changing in either direction? Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Georgia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) What's our population? Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:42:46 GET Hi, I've been meaning to ask for a long time now, what's the number of subscribers to this conference? Is it relatively static at the moment, or are the numbers changing in either direction? Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Georgia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 10-03-00 (Crop-Top Midget [6]) (c) Date: 10 Mar 2000 02:14:11 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 10, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: The familiar Mandelbrot set is simply connected. That is, all its features are connected to the main body by an infinitesi- mally thin filament. To put it more poetically, all the baby Mandelbrot ponds are connected to the main bay by a thin stream of water. Though the shoreline of the M-set is infinite, it is a single shoreline. But not all fractals are connected. The curious fractal created by the formula Z^(-0.5)-Z^5+C is not connected. In this fractal the main bay is surrounded by countless cut-off midget lakes. Today's fractal illustrates one of these cut-off lakes. I could have named the picture "Cut-Off Midget" but I decided on "Crop-Top Midget", a name that raises a few more eyebrows. It's a pleasant turquoise and lilac midget, easy on the eyes -- a picture that could give a soothing touch to a dentist's waiting room. I find it far more relaxing to observe the image on the screen however. Since the parameter file requires over 1/2 hour on a modest Pentium, I advise picking up the JPEG'd image file from the Usenet binary newsgroup: The image is also to be found on Paul Lee's Web site at: The fractal weather today was partly cloudy and continued unusually warm, with a small shower in early afternoon. The temperature of 78F (25.5C) was just right for the fractal cats, who spent several hours on the porch once the rain stopped. Unfortunately, it's now time for me to stop writing, and to shut down the fractal factory for another day. The next time will be in under 24 hours. Until then, take care, and live and breathe fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Crop-Top_Midget { ; time=0:36:11.27 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.81266861428258830/+0.00003374593235210\ /2.432391e+012/1.0001/167.658/-0.024 params=-1/5/1/-0.5/0/0 float=y maxiter=6000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=767 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=0003I6CE2DKADOJDRRDW_D_gKchQejWgkakk<2>srmlpg\ emaZkYRjRKgLDeH6cA0a6D0TEAaEOkE`sEasQm5<3>Pl9PlAOkA<\ 3>OkGNjHNjHNjINjJNjKLhLLhN<3>KgQKgRKgT<2>KgVJfWJfY<3\ >Ie`IeaIec<4>HdgHdhHdh<3>GcmAKwHIxLHxREyYCzaAzg8zl7z\ WIeHTK1a0EG0Q00`ANkQhuezqYzoPwkIrh9oe1jc0fe6hfHkgTmj\ cpkorlyspyNa0A`89<2>`f6`q6Zr8YsAVuDUuGRvIQwKPwNWgZaT\ hgDum0zfUqgWlgZhh_eha`jdYjeUZaYOZ`DVd2Tfw2Ds3Lp3Tl5_\ h5fe6ma6u_6zZ8xY9uWAqVDmUEjTGfTHd<3>jCuoAys9zw9zTOZ0\ `1EhGUqUjwghocfcYj_PmYIqUAsR3fERU2mLVeEwZGueGrlGpsGo\ zKmuOloepjWkd_jZcjUahV<9>QefPegOdh<3>JcmIcoHapEasGaq\ EarQ0aP0c<3>O5dO6eO6e<2>N9hNAjLCkLCl<2>KGpKHqKIqKJsJ\ Ju<3>IOyIPzIQz<5>GYzGZzG_zG`zEazEczEdz2ez3fz3gz3hz3g\ z5fz<10>6ez } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) Tracing L-systems Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:11:05 GET Hi, Now that we have the possibility of making L-systems huge in Fractint at last, I have another question: Is there any programme which can output L-systems not as bitmaps but as vector files? After all, all they are is collections of straight lines. Vector output would make the resulting file independent of size for resolution. Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Georgia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Tracing L-systems Date: 10 Mar 2000 12:25:14 -0500 Actually, a vector file would be just as dependent on resolution as a bitmap file. Neither is a true fractal above a critical magnificatio= n. The only advantage to a vector file would be that at a smaller magnification it wouldn't be aliased. But you could get the same effect by shrinking a bitmap in a resampling program. Sincerely, Collin Merenoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: [(fractint) What's our population?] Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:59:24 CST I just joined yesterday, and majordomo listed 304 subscribers to this lis= t after my induction. Eric >>"Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" wrote: Hi, I've been meaning to ask for a long time now, what's the number of = subscribers to this conference? Is it relatively static at the moment, o= r = are the numbers changing in either direction? Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Georgia >> ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 11-03-00 (One Haggard Midget [4]) (c) Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:47:43 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 11, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Another day, another midget. I'm really becoming obsessed with these midgets. Maybe I'll declare April 'no-midget' month and 'no-MandelbrotMix4' month. Then I'll be able to spend the month searching new pastures for new types of fractals. I really need to be writing some more test formulas. The M-Mix4 formula makes things too easy. Before I found this formula, I wrote at least one or two test formulas every day. The formula behind today's image is Z^(-1.5)-3(sqrt(Z))+C. The parent fractal is a delicate lacework of scattered bits and pieces, with but few solid areas. Today's midget appears deep in a spiral in one of these solid areas. The rough appearance belies the delicateness of its parent fractal. I named the picture "One Haggard Midget" as a description more than anything else. At 13 minutes on a Pentium, the parameter file is a bit too slow for comfort. To ease impatience, the image has been posted to the Usenet binary newsgroup: ant to Paul Lee's web site at: The fractal weather today was once again quite mild. The hazy sun and temperature of 68F (20C) were perfect for the fractal cats, who spent most of the afternoon stretched in their padded chairs on the porch. The fractal philosophy is still brewing. So be patient fans of wisdom -- the enlightenment will soon be posted. Until next time, which is 24 hours from now, take care, and isn't it frustrating to know you're right yet be unable to convince anyone else of the fact? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ One_Haggard_Midget { ; time=0:12:54.30 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+2.90578209960671000/-3.70762978356767100\ /3.643372e+009/1/-30.001 params=1/-1.5/-3/0.5/0/0 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=214 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000t`Uu_TvPTwZTxOTyXUxOTxYTxOTxYTxPTwZTwPTwZT\ wQSw_SvQSv_SvQSv`SvRSu`SuRSuaRuSRuaRtSRtbRtTRtbRtTRs\ bRsUQscQsUQscQrVQrdQrVQrdQtYSteRrVQpbPnSOk_NiPMgXMeM\ LcUK`JJZRIXGHVOGTDGRMJQBMOFO<3>JBZIA`GKcF8`ENmC6fBRr\ A4k8Uw72p5Uz62s6Uz62r6Uz62q6Uz62p6Uy62o6Ux62n6Uw62m6\ Uv62l6Ru62k6Nt62i62s62h62r62g62q62f62p62e62o62d62n62\ c62m62b71m62b63k63a64e64`65d<33>3OO3PO3QN<2>3RM3SL2Q\ J<36>5ih5ih5ji<3>5ll4mp<19>CkKDkJDkH<3>EkB<13>jrFlsF\ nsF<3>wuG<3>uuFtuFtuFuvKvvK<3>wwK } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing L-systems Date: 11 Mar 2000 21:23:36 GET >Actually, a vector file would be just as dependent on resolution >as a bitmap file. Neither is a true fractal above a critical magnification. >The only advantage to a vector file would be that at a smaller >magnification it wouldn't be aliased. But you could get the same >effect by shrinking a bitmap in a resampling program. ...But surely, with L-systems, which are actually made of lines (and not pixels), a vector output would capture the thing literally perfectly, whereas a bitmap must approximate...? Tony Hanmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Bissell Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing L-systems Date: 11 Mar 2000 12:39:02 -0500 By the time it gets to the screen.... everything is a bitmap.... or even a printer... Only a vector plotter would give "true" results... and even that (driven by stepper motors) is really a "bitmap" H^) harry (one who lurks most times...) "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" wrote: > >Actually, a vector file would be just as dependent on resolution > >as a bitmap file. Neither is a true fractal above a critical magnification. > >The only advantage to a vector file would be that at a smaller > >magnification it wouldn't be aliased. But you could get the same > >effect by shrinking a bitmap in a resampling program. > > ...But surely, with L-systems, which are actually made of lines (and not > pixels), a vector output would capture the thing literally perfectly, > whereas a bitmap must approximate...? > > Tony Hanmer > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) What's our population? Date: 11 Mar 2000 14:56:41 -0600 Tony asked: > Hi, > I've been meaning to ask for a long time now, what's the number of > subscribers to this conference? Is it relatively static at the moment, or > are the numbers changing in either direction? We are currently at 304. It has been higher, but I would say it is static. There are constantly people leaving and joining the list. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) Reintroduction and Apology Date: 11 Mar 2000 19:30:11 -0800 (PST) Hello, It's been quite a while since I have been in touch with the fractal art community, having essentially dropped out about a year and a half ago to pursue an e-book business. I will continue to work my e-book business heavily, until either success or failure, and thus will not be actively involved in any way with fractal art until then. However, I will devote a little time here and there to at least monitor what's happening, maybe even play with Fractint a few hours a month. I'll follow up this e-mail with a couple more messages asking some questions so I can come up to speed on where things currently stand. Now for my apology. Back in November my friend Lee Skinner got the following e-mail. I've removed the sender's name but it does show my sudden disappearance may have caused difficulties with many of you, for reasons I'll explain below. I do humbly apologize to everybody involved. I did not handle this properly. >Lee, are you still in touch with Jon Noring? I was pretty angry, because >about 2 years ago he asked several of us for our "50 best Fractint pars", >claiming he was going to represent us. People like myself were too new >and innocent to question this. After he got pars from folks like myself >and Linda Allison, he completely disappeared and ceased answering emails. >I always assumed that he'd stolen the pars to print for his own profit. I >could still kick myself, because I gave him the pars to many of my >all-time best fractals, fractals that are being published now. Here's my e-mail reply directly to this person back in late November: **************************************************************************** I do humbly apologize for my "disappearance," and for not informing those I *non-exclusively* represented that, in essence, I put the project on long- term hold, and likely won't resurrect it. It is a good idea, but it requires someone with both the time and resources to promote it. I found I lacked both. And the last year I have been extremely busy. In the middle of last year I found a partner to build a business around my first "love", e-books (electronic books). Since then, it's been a very intense time, developing a business plan, hustling trying to secure venture capital funding. We are very close to securing about $XX million in final funding (of course, one never knows for sure until the money is in the bank, as we have twice learned this year already -- the *hard* way.) Suffice to say I've been very busy. I don't even have Fractint installed on my computer -- I don't even know what version Fractint is at now. Is the new Fractint 32-bit? I was surprised to hear Lee tell me tonight on the phone about a new fractal engine called "UltraFractal", which maybe I'll check on sometime in 2002 when I have a breather. :^) Regarding your pars, I have not made any prints of them -- I don't even recall making any high-res images from them. I don't even know where your pars are. I do believe they are on a burned CD-ROM, encrypted in a ZIP file and only I know the password, if I can remember it. If I die, nobody will even be able to read them without breaking the encryption. I have kept to my contractual obligation to you and to everybody else not to reveal them to anyone, nor to make prints or transparencies of them for sale without your contractual agreement as to the terms. Again, I apologize to everybody involved for my disappearance. It was very tacky, I know. And do feel free to post this reply to Fractal-Art if it still is active. I haven't been subscribed to that mailing list for well over a year, even though I was the one who created it. Your pars (and those of everyone else) are safe, and they will never be revealed, nor ever used at any time in the future without your express permission. I do appreciate your sharing them with me -- I recall you had many wonderful fractal images, and I hope that the last year you have been successful in selling prints of them, and making lots of people happy (and make a few dollars as well.) I have thought that if my e-book business is successful (yes, it is a long- shot, to be realistic), that I'd have the resources to build a fractal art museum/gallery displaying only the nicest fractal images printed at museum quality at very high resolution (probably Ilfochrome prints). I'd be happy to have some of your images represented in the gallery. But it will be a while before this dream will become a reality, if ever. So maybe you will hear from me in 2-3 years. :^) **************************************************************************** Anyway, hopefully this will further explain my absence, and my apologies to everybody I worked with "behind-the-scenes" a couple years ago. If I do pick up the fractal art business again, I will run it differently and will put my own resources behind it to make it really work. I have several new ideas (some of them obtained from working to build a large business) which will directly transfer to fractal art promotion and sales, to the direct benefit of fractal artists everywhere. I look forward to seeing everybody around in Fractal-Land. :^) Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) A question on UltraFractal and Fractint Date: 11 Mar 2000 19:54:53 -0800 (PST) Hello, In trying to update myself of what's happening in the fractal art world, I've noticed that last year a new fractal generator was introduced: UltraFractal. I downloaded it today to try it out, and have been working on comparing it with Fractint (version 19.6 -- haven't tried 20.0 yet). I like its interface a lot, and I see many ideas in it that could be incorporated into the 32-bit GUI-based Fractint I've been hoping to see for quite a while (the old Windows 3.1 port of Fractint is NOT what I had in mind.) (Now there's rumbling of 64-bit operating systems. :^) ) First question is the obvious one -- how do they each compare feature-wise; what are their relative strengths and weaknesses? My second question revolves around difficulties I am having in getting UltraFractal to read many of the Fractint formulas I have in my collection. Simply, UltraFractal won't read them without giving an error message. And for many when UltraFractal does read them, it generates a fractal image partway and then stops. Do Fractint formulas have to be formatted in a certain way? Are there certain Fractint formula features and settings that UltraFractal won't recognize? Anyway, that's enough in this message. I have one more to follow regarding fractal art prints. Thanks. Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) A question on museum-quality fractal art prints Date: 11 Mar 2000 20:20:30 -0800 (PST) Hello, As many of the old-timers know, 2-3 years ago I was looking into how to produce the highest quality prints from fractal images. At the time, I settled upon making 8x10 color transparencies using a Kodak LVT, which directly prints onto the film at 2032 dpi (res80). Then the transparency can be used in a commercial photo-enlarger to make reversal prints, either Ilfochrome (the old Cibachrome which has breathtaking color), or other reversal prints such as Fuji's which is very good. The image size I generated for the Kodak LVT was 18432x13824, which is an 18x18 array of 1024x768 images (using Fractint's "Divide and Conquer"). Several in the fractal community have had me help them make Kodak LVT transparencies of fractal images and hopefully they will comment. The advantage of this compared to ink on paper processes (such as the "Giclee'"...Iris inkjet) was greater color gamut, better approximating RGB color space (inks just cannot reproduce saturated colors very well), higher resolution, longer display life measured in decades (Ilfochrome, for example, is highly resistant to fading), and fairly low cost when a large number are made at one time (in an enlarger, once setup, one can run through a lot of prints in a short amount of time, while on an Iris, each one takes some time which does not allow substantial discounts for large quantities.) Of course, the Iris and related inkjets have their advantages, most notably the ability to render the image on a plethora of different papers. O.k., that was two years ago and I have not been keeping abreast of recent developments. I do know that direct to photographic print paper processes have recently become more commonplace, including the Durst Lambda and the LightJet. In these devices, the digital image is transferred directly to a photograph print using RGB lasers, bypassing any photographic process. In terms of quality (color accuracy) these will have the 8x10 transparency --> print from enlargement beat by a mile since the process can be precisely calibrated to a particular photographic paper for all colors, so it is possible to render RGB color gamut much more closely than with photographic enlargement using a fixed white light source. Anyway, with that introduction, I'd like to hear what the current state-of- the-art is. Are most here who produce high quality prints using Iris and similar commercial inkjets? Have they finally developed very bright and saturated inks that also have a long life and high resistance to fading? Is anybody here using a Durst Lambda and/or LightJet to make prints of fractal images? I look forward to any comments on this topic. Thanks. Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 12-03-00 (The Duke of Earl [5]) (c) Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:48:11 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 12, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: I have named today's fractal picture "The Duke of Earl", though I've totally forgotten the train of thought that led me to this name. The image has little in common with that old Doo-Wop song of the same name, so I doubt if the name came from there. The expression calculated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula to create today's image is (Z^1.25)-(Z^(-1.75))+(1/C). The parent fractal of today's midget consists of a distorted M-set with a smaller M-set NNE of it. Today's scene is located on the east side of a larger midget, which is located out near the tip of the negative tail of this smaller M-set. Now that we know just where we are, it's time to reveal the good news that the parameter file takes only 2-1/2 minutes to complete. The download of the image file might be even faster -- you'll never know unless you try. That image file can be found posted to the Usenet binary group: and to Paul's Web site at: The fractal weather today was unsettled, with heavy clouds and occasional thunder-showers. The temperature of 50F (10C) was too damp and chilly for the cats, who spent the day curled in their beds. My philosophical energies today were once again exhausted replying to letters on the philofractal list. But I'll try again tomorrow to get some philosophy composed in time for the FOTD. Until next time, take care, and are fractals really for real? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Duke_of_Earl { ; time=0:02:36:34 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip center-mag=+0.12123691840599490/-0.14894804299248570\ /2.826772e+013/0.9997/-100.002/0.017 params=1/1.25/-1/-1.75/-2/0 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=90 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000D73<2>442Gkj<3>6IH3A9OS2LP2IO2FL2CH2<3>472\ 252kOQ<3>ODEIABC88655GsH<8>7Q86M75J6<3>162sp6<8>WV4T\ T4RQ3<3>GH3`R5`R5`Q4<3>VQKTQOSQS<2>OQb<3>GlRErODwM<4\ >BsOBrOBrO<2>ApPAoPAmP<3>9gQ<3>FdNHZN<3>N_LO_KQ`K<3>\ V`IXUNYTRZMW_H_`Cc<3>ZVZYZYYcXYhV<3>WwRWzQ`wV<3>tkjy\ in7oiNxd<9>CzYBzYAzX<3>6zVIsLUqBnuh<3>byb_z`Xz_<3>Lz\ UIzSFzRDzQ<2>`z7<4>jzW<3>rzo<3>pzZozVozRozNpzKpzH<3>\ kzCjzBizAhz9<3>9z_1ze2zd<11>CzWDzVDzU<2>GzSGzSFzQ<3>\ CzMBzKBzJAzI2z49zH<5>5zA5z94z7<3>1z3wz9<13>Gz3 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] A question on museum-quality fractal art prints Date: 11 Mar 2000 21:54:45 -0800 (PST) Also sprach Kerry Mitchell: >The "old" ways of Ilfochrome, Iris, and Lambda are still with us, and the >photographic methods (Ilfochrome and Lambda) appear to be the more popular >for high quality prints, from what I've seen. I tend to prefer Ilfochrome >slightly over Lambda, but it's very close. I've heard that archival >giclee inks are around which will rival an Ilfochrome print for longevity, >but I haven't seen any such prints. The problem with the longer-life ink prints is that the inks typically are less saturated, so you trade off brilliance for life. This is less of an issue with photographic prints. Many fractal images are meant to be saturated and brilliant, and unless one uses fluorescent inks (which have a very short life), photographic prints are the best way to render these images. Not like viewing on an RGB monitor, but much better than inks can do. >Janet Preslar and I have written a tutorial on printing fractals, which >can be found here: > >http://www.parkenet.org/jp/print.html > >It discusses both the high end, museum quality prints, and the lower end, >too. I visited it and it is full of good information. However, I am surprised you left out the LightJet, the direct competitor to the Durst Lambda. The LightJet, if it is still in business, as of two years ago had slightly higher resolution than the Durst Lambda and was specially calibrated to run with Ilfochrome! Ilfochrome normally has contrast problems, but in the LightJet the contrast issues are rendered moot -- and the colors can be very accurate to what one sees on a monitor. There are a few labs that use the LightJet with Ilfochrome, and I hope soon to submit a test or two. (I think it is possible, too, that some places may be using Ilfochrome on the Durst Lambda). Other important issues are mounting and lamination, which I won't get into here. Suffice to say, though, that properly mounting a glossy Ilfochrome on 1/8" aluminum plate is spectacular -- orange peel is almost non-existant, and aluminum makes a better substrate than gatorfoam and similar mounting materials, no matter how carefully the mounting is done. Btw, I've made many 8x10 Kodak LVT positive transparencies, and this is an excellent way to go. Replicolor Labs in Salt Lake City only charges $75 for an 8x10" positive transparency onto Fuji Provia film (and $55.00 for a 4x5). Just send them an 18432x13824 image for the 8x10, specify res80 (2032 dpi) and they'll make the trans. Their LVT can also do res120 (3048 dpi) but cannot do so at 8x10, but can on a 4x5 (I've worked out the best image resolution for 4x5's at res120 but don't have the numbers handy at the moment). They've tried to render an 8x10 at res120 (using an image Rollo Silver graciously let me use for this experiment) but the Kodak LVT "file system" had trouble with that large of an image. Well, enough techno-jargon on the Kodak LVT. :^) Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Wray Subject: (fractint) Fractals in *parallel* ?!?!? Date: 12 Mar 2000 19:14:29 +1300 Hi there, I have been toying for some time with the idea of using a cluster of Linux machines to generate fractals in parallel. My algorithm is quite simple and very efficient on heterogenous parallel architectures such as the Beowulf model. Code reuse would seem to be appropriate since fractint has some extremely good fractal generating algorithms. However, I'm not a hugely experienced programmer in this sort of thing! This is just a hobbyist/curiosity motivated project. I now have about 8 machines on which I'm starting to install linux and network for this project. They will be accessible from the internet. It would probably be quite simple to form a collaborative group to develop this system. Any offers of help/collaboration will be considered!---------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. (If you want my PGP public key send me an email with "get public key" as the subject.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing L-systems Date: 12 Mar 2000 20:49:38 +1300 At 21:23 11/03/2000 GET, you wrote: >>Actually, a vector file would be just as dependent on resolution >>as a bitmap file. Neither is a true fractal above a critical magnification. >>The only advantage to a vector file would be that at a smaller >>magnification it wouldn't be aliased. But you could get the same >>effect by shrinking a bitmap in a resampling program. > >...But surely, with L-systems, which are actually made of lines (and not >pixels), a vector output would capture the thing literally perfectly, >whereas a bitmap must approximate...? > Up to the accuracy of the vector arithmetic used - since computers don't tend to measure lengths with infinite precision, one ends up with rounding errors creeping in at very high detail. A philosophical issue is that any L-system that is actually _drawn_ is done so only approximately (except in special and boring circumstances). One would need to run the L-system for an infinite number of iterations (at infinite precision) for literal perfection. Morgan L. Owens "take five paces west and dig under the tree you collide with." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Wray Subject: RE: (fractint) Xfractint 3.11 binary available Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:53:28 +1300 Hi there! Having toyed with xfractint and fractint, I think one of the most useful features that could be put into the unix version would be a much higher level of control over the disk video mode (so that it doesn't *need* X) and the ability to run it as a background task (ie without the cute console output) Also, being able to send signals to the process and get it to save its current work to an image file would be great! I'm not much of a programmer or else I'd have had a go at these mods myself... :( I have a 486DX4-100 running linux. Its not running X windows and I happily leave it for days generating fractals... As it is, if I telnet into it and run xfractint with command line parameters I have to leave that telnet session open otherwise the xfractint process dies... On Tuesday, 22 February 2000 19:27, Scott D. Boyd [SMTP:sdboyd@fastlane.net] wrote: > To all Linux/fractint fans out there: > > A binary package of Xfractint 3.11, based on fractint 20.0.7 is now avaible at: > http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/xfractint.html . > (The link to download the .tar.gz file is available on that page.) > > This binary was compiled and is running great on Linux-Mandrake 6.1, kernel > 2.2.13, xfree86 3.3.5 and KDE 1.1.2. (That setup is running on an AMD K6-2 - > 450Mhz box.) It should run OK on most any 2.2.x kernel, and GNOME or KDE 1.1.x. > Will it run on older kernels and older distributions? Install it and find out, > let me know... > > Scott D. Boyd > > > -- > email: sdboyd@fastlane.net > http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/ > Introducing -- Windows 2000 !! > (Don't try this at home... or at work, either.) > > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@swbell.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ---------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. (If you want my PGP public key send me an email with "get public key" as the subject.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: (fractint) minilake.bat, a little animation.. Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:35:43 +0100 Hi fractinters.. here is a batch (with .frm and 2 .par files) for a little animation, dedicated to Sylvie Gallet and all the other enthusiasts writing prg's for fractint.. You must use Fractint ver.: 20.0.8 to run this .bat! Separate the different sections with an editor. Copy all the sections (of this file) as separate files into your Fractint-DIR .. Run the "minilake.bat" .. Create the animation with DTA.EXE (ver.2.2) Enjoy it! -> rename the different sections as indicated.. -> there must be a "minilake.bat" a "middle.par" a "startend.par" -> last but not least a "lake-is.frm" PS: if somebody is interested in a larger .BAT, please let me know.. Cheers, Guy Marson **************************************************************************** ******************************** This is the batch-file. Rename it as "minilake.bat" Note: every line in the .bat must start with: fractint!! **************************************************************************** ******************************** fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.04000/0.00000/3.450/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33064/0.00700/2.00000/0.02000/-46.00000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.03500/0.00000/3.394/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33083/0.00581/2.00000/0.03000/-45.25000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.03000/0.00000/3.338/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33103/0.00463/2.00000/0.04000/-44.50000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.02500/0.00000/3.281/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33122/0.00344/2.00000/0.05000/-43.75000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.02000/0.00000/3.225/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33142/0.00225/2.00000/0.06000/-43.00000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.01500/0.00000/3.169/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33161/0.00106/2.00000/0.07000/-42.25000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.01000/0.00000/3.113/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33181/-0.00012/2.00000/0.08000/-41.50000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=-0.00500/0.00000/3.056/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33200/-0.00131/2.00000/0.09000/-40.75000/5.00000 REM this is the start of the middle-section fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.00000/0.00000/3.000/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33220/-0.00250/2.00000/0.10000/-40.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.00500/0.00000/2.944/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33239/-0.00369/2.00000/0.11000/-39.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.01000/0.00000/2.888/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33259/-0.00487/2.00000/0.12000/-38.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.01500/0.00000/2.831/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33278/-0.00606/2.00000/0.13000/-37.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.02000/0.00000/2.775/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33298/-0.00725/2.00000/0.14000/-37.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.02500/0.00000/2.719/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33317/-0.00844/2.00000/0.15000/-36.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.03000/0.00000/2.663/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33337/-0.00962/2.00000/0.16000/-35.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.03500/0.00000/2.606/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33356/-0.01081/2.00000/0.17000/-34.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.04000/0.00000/2.550/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33376/-0.01200/2.00000/0.18000/-34.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.04500/0.00000/2.494/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33395/-0.01319/2.00000/0.19000/-33.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.05000/0.00000/2.438/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33415/-0.01437/2.00000/0.20000/-32.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.05500/0.00000/2.381/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33434/-0.01556/2.00000/0.21000/-31.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.06000/0.00000/2.325/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33454/-0.01675/2.00000/0.22000/-31.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.06500/0.00000/2.269/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33473/-0.01794/2.00000/0.23000/-30.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.07000/0.00000/2.213/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33493/-0.01912/2.00000/0.24000/-29.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.07500/0.00000/2.156/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33512/-0.02031/2.00000/0.25000/-28.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.08000/0.00000/2.100/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33532/-0.02150/2.00000/0.26000/-28.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.08500/0.00000/2.044/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33551/-0.02269/2.00000/0.27000/-27.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.09000/0.00000/1.988/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33571/-0.02387/2.00000/0.28000/-26.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.09500/0.00000/1.931/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33590/-0.02506/2.00000/0.29000/-25.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.10000/0.00000/1.875/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33610/-0.02625/2.00000/0.30000/-25.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.10500/0.00000/1.819/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33629/-0.02744/2.00000/0.31000/-24.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.11000/0.00000/1.763/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33649/-0.02862/2.00000/0.32000/-23.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.11500/0.00000/1.706/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33668/-0.02981/2.00000/0.33000/-22.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.12000/0.00000/1.650/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33688/-0.03100/2.00000/0.34000/-22.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.12500/0.00000/1.594/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33707/-0.03219/2.00000/0.35000/-21.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.13000/0.00000/1.538/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33727/-0.03337/2.00000/0.36000/-20.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.13500/0.00000/1.481/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33746/-0.03456/2.00000/0.37000/-19.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.14000/0.00000/1.425/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33766/-0.03575/2.00000/0.38000/-19.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.14500/0.00000/1.369/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33785/-0.03694/2.00000/0.39000/-18.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.15000/0.00000/1.313/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33805/-0.03812/2.00000/0.40000/-17.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.15500/0.00000/1.256/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33824/-0.03931/2.00000/0.41000/-16.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.16000/0.00000/1.200/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33844/-0.04050/2.00000/0.42000/-16.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.16500/0.00000/1.144/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33863/-0.04169/2.00000/0.43000/-15.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.17000/0.00000/1.088/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33883/-0.04287/2.00000/0.44000/-14.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.17500/0.00000/1.031/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33902/-0.04406/2.00000/0.45000/-13.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.18000/0.00000/0.975/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33922/-0.04525/2.00000/0.46000/-13.00000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.18500/0.00000/0.919/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33941/-0.04644/2.00000/0.47000/-12.25000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.19000/0.00000/0.863/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33961/-0.04762/2.00000/0.48000/-11.50000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.19500/0.00000/0.806/1.00/-90.0 params=0.33980/-0.04881/2.00000/0.49000/-10.75000/5.00000 fractint @middle.PAR center-mag=0.20000/0.00000/0.750/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34000/-0.05000/2.00000/0.50000/-10.00000/5.00000 REM this is the start of the END-section fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.20500/0.00000/0.694/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34019/-0.05119/2.00000/0.51000/-9.25000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.21000/0.00000/0.638/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34039/-0.05237/2.00000/0.52000/-8.50000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.21500/0.00000/0.581/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34058/-0.05356/2.00000/0.53000/-7.75000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.22000/0.00000/0.525/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34078/-0.05475/2.00000/0.54000/-7.00000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.22500/0.00000/0.469/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34097/-0.05594/2.00000/0.55000/-6.25000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.23000/0.00000/0.413/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34117/-0.05712/2.00000/0.56000/-5.50000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.23500/0.00000/0.356/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34136/-0.05831/2.00000/0.57000/-4.75000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.24000/0.00000/0.300/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34156/-0.05950/2.00000/0.58000/-4.00000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.24500/0.00000/0.244/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34175/-0.06069/2.00000/0.59000/-3.25000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.25000/0.00000/0.188/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34195/-0.06187/2.00000/0.60000/-2.50000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.25500/0.00000/0.131/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34214/-0.06306/2.00000/0.61000/-1.75000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.26000/0.00000/0.075/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34234/-0.06425/2.00000/0.62000/-1.00000/5.00000 fractint @startend.PAR center-mag=0.26500/0.00000/0.019/1.00/-90.0 params=0.34253/-0.06544/2.00000/0.63000/-0.25000/5.00000 dta lake*.gif /ominilake REM this is the end of the batch-file ************************************************************************ this is the parameter-file for the middle-section. NO headder and else!! rename it as "middle.par". ************************************************************************ reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=lake-is1.frm formulaname=lake-gmc ismand=n function=recip/ident passes=1 center-mag=1.33218/0.000333163/0.3971542/1/-90 params=0.332288/-0.05/2/0.8/-16/5 float=y maxiter=300 inside=0 invert=1/0/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/0.75/yes/0/0 cyclerange=0/255 video=sf5 sound=no batch=yes savename=lake0000 colors=HPP<13>OWWPXXPXX<2>RZZSZZTZZTZZU__<4>W``W``Xaa<3>XaaXaaYaa<52>www\ wwwxxx<2>yyyyyyxxx<120>3CC3CC2BB<2>0AA0AA1BB<30>HOO **************************************************************************** this is the parameter-file for the start/end-sections. NO headder and else!! rename it as "startend.par". **************************************************************************** reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=lake-is1.frm formulaname=lake-gmc0 ismand=n function=recip/ident passes=1 center-mag=1.33218/0.000333163/0.3971542/1/-90 params=0.332288/-0.05/2/0.8/-16/5 float=y maxiter=300 inside=0 invert=1/0/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 viewwindows=1/0.75/yes/0/0 cyclerange=0/255 video=sf5 sound=no batch=yes savename=lake0000 colors=HPP<13>OWWPXXPXX<2>RZZSZZTZZTZZU__<4>W``W``Xaa<3>XaaXaaYaa<52>www\ wwwxxx<2>yyyyyyxxx<120>3CC3CC2BB<2>0AA0AA1BB<30>HOO ************************************************************* These are the formulas for the middle- and startend-sections. Rename it as "lake-is1.frm". ************************************************************* lake-gmc { ; Formula uses PHC to cast "soft" shadow ; October 1996 by Jan Maarten van der Valk ; 'periodicity=0' and 'passes=1' recommended x=real(scrnpix)/real(scrnmax), y=(imag(scrnmax)-imag(scrnpix))/(rea\ l(scrnmax)*0.75), z=x+flip(y) chrF1 = x<0.15372||(y<0.90475&&y>0.88525)||y>0.9505&&x>0.13422&&x<0\ .21372 chrr2 = x>0.22872&&x<0.24822&&y<0.9325||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.26875,-0.89\ 247))-0.03028)<0.00975&&y>0.89247) chra3 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.35678,-0.8995))-0.02325)<0.00975&&x<0.35678|\ |(abs(cabs(z+(-0.37178,-0.8995))-0.02325)<0.00975&&x>0.37178)&&y>0.\ 8995||((abs(cabs(z+(-0.35678,-0.853))-0.02325)<0.00975&&x<0.35678)|\ |(abs(cabs(z+(-0.37178,-0.853))-0.02325)<0.00975&&x>0.37178))||(x>0\ .35678&&x<0.37178&&(y<0.8395||(y>0.913&&y<0.9325)||(y>0.8665&&y<0.8\ 86)))||(x>0.38528&&x<0.40478&&y<0.8995) xc=1*x chrc4 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.47603,-0.87625))-0.0465)<0.00975&&(x<0.47603\ ||y>xc+0.40022||y<-xc+1.35228) xt=1*x chrt5 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.58598,-0.86003))-0.03028)<0.00975&&y<0.86003\ ||(x>0.54595&&x<0.56545&&y>0.86003)||(x>0.53081&&x<0.59573&&y>0.913\ &&y<0.9325) chri6 = x>0.64101&&x<0.66051&&(y<0.931||y>0.9505) chrn7 = x>0.67551&&x<0.69501&&y<0.9325||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.71554,-0.89\ 247))-0.03028)<0.00975&&y>0.89247)||(x>0.73607&&x<0.75557&&y<0.8924\ 7) chrt8 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.82575,-0.86003))-0.03028)<0.00975&&y<0.86003\ ||(x>0.78572&&x<0.80522&&y>0.86003)||(x>0.77057&&x<0.8355&&y>0.913&\ &y<0.9325) test1 = chrF1||chrr2||chra3||chrc4||chrt5||chri6||chrn7||chrt8&&y>0\ .82&&y<0.97 chrT9 = y>0.3085&&x>0.03158&&x<0.07058||(x>0.04783&&x<0.05433) chrh10 = x>0.07708&&x<0.08358||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.09394,-0.27438))-0.0\ 1361)<0.00325&&y>0.27438)||(x>0.1043&&x<0.1108&&y<0.27438) chre11 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.14167,-0.27438))-0.02112)<0.00325&&(x<0.141\ 67||y>0.27329||y<0.27004)||(y>0.27329&&y<0.27979&&x>0.12055&&x<0.16\ 28) xCN=2.5*x chrN13 = x>0.20505&&x<0.21155||(x>0.23105&&x<0.23805)||(y>-xCN+0.82\ 762&&y<-xCN+0.84512) chre14 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.26892,-0.27438))-0.02112)<0.00325&&(x<0.268\ 92||y>0.27329||y<0.27004)||(y>0.27329&&y<0.27979&&x>0.2478&&x<0.290\ 05) xv=3*x chrv15 = y>-xv+1.19814&&y<-xv+1.2187||yxv-0.7187&&y<\ 0.29875 chre16 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.37002,-0.27438))-0.02112)<0.00325&&(x<0.370\ 02||y>0.27329||y<0.27004)||(y>0.27329&&y<0.27979&&x>0.3489&&x<0.391\ 15) chrr17 = x>0.4009&&x<0.4074&&y<0.29875||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.41776,-0.28\ 189))-0.01361)<0.00325&&y>0.28189) chrE19 = x<0.48012||y<0.2565||(y<0.28575&&y>0.27925)||y>0.3085&&x>0\ .47362&&x<0.50612 chrn20 = x>0.51262&&x<0.51912&&y<0.29875||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.52948,-0.\ 28189))-0.01361)<0.00325&&y>0.28189)||(x>0.53984&&x<0.54634&&y<0.28\ 189) chrd21 = x>0.5894&&x<0.5959||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.57721,-0.27438))-0.021\ 12)<0.00325&&x<0.5894) chri22 = x>0.6024&&x<0.6089&&(y<0.302||y>0.3085) chrn23 = x>0.6154&&x<0.6219&&y<0.29875||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.63226,-0.28\ 189))-0.01361)<0.00325&&y>0.28189)||(x>0.64262&&x<0.64912&&y<0.2818\ 9) chrg24 = x>0.69218&&x<0.69868&&y<0.29875||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.67999,-0.\ 27438))-0.02112)<0.00325&&x<0.69218)&&y>0.23822||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.67\ 715,-0.23822))-0.01828)<0.00325&&y<=0.23822) chrS26 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.75555,-0.29713))-0.01462)<0.00325&&(x<=0.75\ 555||y>0.29713)||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.75555,-0.26787))-0.01462)<0.00325&\ &(x>0.75555||y<0.26787)) chrt27 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.80359,-0.26686))-0.01361)<0.00325&&y<0.2668\ 6||(x>0.78673&&x<0.79323&&y>0.26686)||(x>0.77993&&x<0.80684&&y>0.29\ 225&&y<0.29875) chro28 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.85133,-0.27438))-0.02112)<0.00325 chrr29 = x>0.8822&&x<0.8887&&y<0.29875||(abs(cabs(z+(-0.89906,-0.28\ 189))-0.01361)<0.00325&&y>0.28189) xy=2.5*x chry30 = yxy-2.12231||(y>-xy+2.60481&&y<-xy+2.62231)\ &&y>xy-2.12231&&y<0.29875&&y>0.2175 test2 = chrT9||chrh10||chre11||chrN13||chre14||chrv15||chre16||chrr\ 17||chrE19||chrn20||chrd21||chri22||chrn23||chrS26||chrt27||chro28|\ |chrr29&&y>0.25||chrg24||chry30&&y<0.315 test=test1||test2 test0=test0&&whitesq test0=((test0||test)==0) f1=fn1(real(p3)*fn2(imag(p1)*pixel)) f2=1/(imag(p2)*pixel) pixel=(test==0)*f2+test*f1 ; Import of formula 'Mandel_lake' from file LAKE-SGB.FRM ; p1: Julia seed ; real part of p2: bailout value ; imag part of p2: 0 = lake transform disabled ; any value between 0 and 100: water level in % of ; the screen height (0 = bottom, 100 = top) ; real part of waves: amplitude of the wave (try 0.2) ; imag part of waves: frequency (try 300) ; This formula uses the new predefined variables: ; center = (x , y) ; magxmag = (mag, xmagfactor) ; rotskew = (rot, skew) bailout = real(p2) ; Lake transformation ; ------------------- waves = 0.2,200 if (imag(p3) > 0 && imag(p3) <= 100) level = imag(p3) / 100 ; water level ampl = real(waves) ; amplitude of the wave freq = imag(waves) ; frequency angle = real(rotskew * pi / 180) exp_irot = exp(-flip(angle)) h = 1 / real(magxmag) w = h / 0.75 * imag(magxmag) tanskew = tan(imag(rotskew * pi / 180)) u = 2 * w * exp_irot v = 2 * h * (tanskew + flip(1)) * exp_irot z3rd = center + (-w-h*tanskew - flip(h)) * exp_irot z = pixel - z3rd b = imag(conj(u)*z) / imag(conj(u)*v) if (b <= level) dy = level - b z = z + 2*dy * (1+ampl*sin(freq*dy^0.2)) * v endif z = z + z3rd else z = pixel endif if (ismand) c = z else c = p1 endif : z = z*z + c |z| <= bailout } lake-gmc0 { ; Formula uses PHC to cast "soft" shadow ; October 1996 by Jan Maarten van der Valk ; 'periodicity=0' and 'passes=1' recommended x=real(scrnpix)/real(scrnmax), y=(imag(scrnmax)-imag(scrnpix))/(rea\ l(scrnmax)*0.75), z=x+flip(y) chrDT1 = y<1.5&&x>0.5&&x<0.5 test1 = chrDT1&&y>1.5&&y<1.5 chrDT2 = y<1.5065&&x>0.49675&&x<0.50325 test2 = chrDT2&&y>1.5&&y<1.565 test=test1||test2 test0=test0&&whitesq test0=((test0||test)==0) f1=fn1(real(p3)*fn2(imag(p1)*pixel)) f2=1/(imag(p2)*pixel) pixel=(test==0)*f2+test*f1 ; Import of formula 'Mandel_lake' from file LAKE-SGB.FRM ; p1: Julia seed ; real part of p2: bailout value ; imag part of p2: 0 = lake transform disabled ; any value between 0 and 100: water level in % of ; the screen height (0 = bottom, 100 = top) ; real part of waves: amplitude of the wave (try 0.2) ; imag part of waves: frequency (try 300) ; This formula uses the new predefined variables: ; center = (x , y) ; magxmag = (mag, xmagfactor) ; rotskew = (rot, skew) bailout = real(p2) ; Lake transformation ; ------------------- waves = 0.2,200 if (imag(p3) > 0 && imag(p3) <= 100) level = imag(p3) / 100 ; water level ampl = real(waves) ; amplitude of the wave freq = imag(waves) ; frequency angle = real(rotskew * pi / 180) exp_irot = exp(-flip(angle)) h = 1 / real(magxmag) w = h / 0.75 * imag(magxmag) tanskew = tan(imag(rotskew * pi / 180)) u = 2 * w * exp_irot v = 2 * h * (tanskew + flip(1)) * exp_irot z3rd = center + (-w-h*tanskew - flip(h)) * exp_irot z = pixel - z3rd b = imag(conj(u)*z) / imag(conj(u)*v) if (b <= level) dy = level - b z = z + 2*dy * (1+ampl*sin(freq*dy^0.2)) * v endif z = z + z3rd else z = pixel endif if (ismand) c = z else c = p1 endif : z = z*z + c |z| <= bailout } ****************************************************************EOF*** Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) 20.0.9 available Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:39:53 -0600 Fractint 20.0.9 is now available. The web site www.fractint.org seems to be down, so I posted this on my own WWW site. This is not much of a site :-) You have to paste the exact URL into your browser to get the file. If these same files are available via anonymous FTP I haven't figured out how. The DOS fractint executable is: http://home.swbell.net/twegner/fradev.zip and the source diff file is: http://home.swbell.net/twegner/2000p09.zip I'll update fractint.org as soon as it is up. The what's new for this patch is: "Fixed a bug that occurred when maxhistory=0 was used. Fixed a bug that occurred when ismand was used in a formula and ctrl was pressed. Updated Jonathan's email address." This is not a real important patch unless you are either interested in those particular bug fixes ot like to help us by testing the latest version. However, here is something that might be of interest to real hard core fractint fans. For quite some time I have been maintaining a version of fractint with the integer math removed. The idea was to use this as the basis for the future, since it is unlikely integer math will survive. The following is the 20.0.9 version of the float-only version: http://home.swbell.net/twegner/fradevfo.zip (The "fo" means "float only"). I'll post the source for this soon. It would probably make sense to make an xfractint version based on these sources since Xfractint does not support integer math anyway. I would be interested in hearing of anything that does not work in the float only version (that's not related to integer math of course). Beware - this version looks a LOT like the regular version. The only real advantage of the float-only version for users is a somewhat smaller memory footprint (try with debug=10000 on the command line and compare.) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruth Antwine Subject: Re: (fractint) 20.0.9 available, Question on Win95 Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:41:02 -0500 Small question. Do you know if/when an updated version for win95/98 may became available? If so, what sort of things will be updated? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 10:28:28 GMT Short daft question: If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called FractReal? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonton Th Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 11:32:32 +0100 Andrew Coppin wrote: > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called > FractReal? > no, IMHO, the "int" will be for "international", so if you drop integers, no need to change the name Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) Hello, This is my second post to come up to speed with UltraFractal. I noticed while playing around with UF on some Fractint pars that UF is somewhat slower (appr. 50%) than Fractint. This surprised me, since I assumed 32-bit would run a little faster than 16-bit on the newer Pentiums, which are optimized for 32-bit operation. I guess the Windows 95/98 GUI overhead slows things down, or that UF has some other things that slow it down vis-a-vis Fractint. (Note that I specified floating-point in my Fractint pars so this difference in speed is not due to comparing floating- point with integer calcuations. Of course, I could still be comparing apples and oranges in other ways, so those here who are expert on this topic feel free to chime in and clarify matters.) I also want to ask about the numerical precision (number of significant digits) of UF compared to Fractint and how that affects things like zoom. Fractint, for example, has a maximum zoom limit due to numerical precision. Naively assuming that 32-bit operation should double the number of significant digits for "single precision", I would gather UF shines here. Comments on these points? Do note that I am not knocking UF as a fractal generator by claiming that calculation speed is the only thing important to me. There are many good things about UF, including its color mapping/gradient system. Now if UF had a "Divide and Conquer" utility like Fractint has, I think UF will have arrived in my book. Thanks. Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 13-03-00 (Fractal Citrus Fruit [4]) (c) Date: 13 Mar 2000 10:12:30 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 13, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Since the first version of today's quickie fractal resembled a citrus fruit sliced through the middle, I named the picture "Fractal Citrus Fruit". I have given the image a new color palette since naming it, but I kind of liked the original name, so I let it keep its tangy title. It's a kind of patchwork fractal, full of the flat areas of color typical of fractals that combine two negative powers of Z. The midget in the image is part of the larger fractal that appears when a tiny bit of Z^(-101) is subtracted from Z^(-2). This parent fractal of today's image is quite a complex thing, which I may investigate further in the days to come. The JPEG image is posted to: and to: although the parameter file runs so quickly that the download is the less efficient way of viewing the picture, which rates only a 4 on my 0-to-10 scale of fractal worthiness. The fractal weather returned to winter today, with strong, biting winds, scudding dark clouds, and a temperature of 38F (3C), which kept the cats by the warmest object in sight. I once again exhausted my fractal philosophy today on letters to the philofractal list. Then I found that Fractalus is down, leaving me unable to post my handiwork. No problem however. The philosophy will keep until Fractalus returns to life. Until next time, I'll amuse myself with the float-only version of Fractint, which I have just now downloaded, and which seems to be slightly faster than the Patchlevel 8 version. I'll see all you wonderful fractal folks again in 24 hours, plus or minus an hour or so. While you're waiting, take care, and keep an open fractal mind. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FractalCitrusFruit { ; time=0:00:35.32 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.00579239468005164/0/4.204792e+009/1/180 params=1/-2/-0.01/-101/0/0 float=y maxiter=600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=19 symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=000UFAmjPZKUjZ6bXNA0KMGVmrPIHAicod`k_YgzmAgbY\ `Z`aB2<2>WQVzEGrMK<2>vgTob0FHx<2>4vUQbVkJWZNGNQ0PS8R\ TGSUOVhY_niClXb8pDdRM_YAsULfZmmmfRBhIQtXNXY2WZFV_SW`\ pVakVbg0cSMda3eSDfWMg_BhZLiaijidkg_leVmfVneVodppG<2>\ _sYktp0u_GvaHwR<2>Sz`NzX_zYXz`jzv<2>Zzg_zj<2>Wzd`z`<\ 2>WzcFz__z2XzLzzXczyZznazm<2>WzeqzFizOazWpzWmzM<2>Zz\ _bzl<2>XzeWzsVzmVzhuz9gzPIzG<2>SzYBzpIzkPzgrzF<2>`zY\ SzYJz6PzN1zn<2>Oze_zJYzQWzXszD<2>`zYfzw`zvYzlSzh<2>V\ zdsz5vzUlzYcz`vzh<2>azdPzbRzcTzc7zI<2>PzZ3zmYztXznWz\ hEzYNz`7z3FzGNzSOzKRzRTzYGzB<2>SzXZzJ<2>WzZFzaNzbZzg\ Xze9zG<2>QzYgzo<2>YzfUz0VzEVzRHzbLzZ<2>TzbWz1VzLKz3G\ zi<2>SzdvzC<2>azXIzjgz86zVFzYNz`rzpfzibz_lz9<2>ZzX9z\ 6<2>QzWnzYgz_`zaIziPzfvzLhzVJzGzzf<2>bzc9zuVz8<2>VzW\ 4zBDzLMzV7zl } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 07:45:14 -0800 Jon... I'm tempted to reply ....but in a non-technical way. I started using UF in September of last year...not so long ago. Two things I noticed almost immediately (1) use of colors had to be different in UF and (2) deep zooming was not really required to make an outstanding image. In fact....I don't really zoom all that much except to place my image where I want it. I attribute these differences to the fact that we are usually working with multiple layers in UF. Also, with the many coloring algorithms available (similar to the ones that could be built into the formulas of Fractint 19.6 and used by Damien and Paul Carlson), areas that initially look bland and unpromising can turn out very well. Angela aka wizzle Jon Noring wrote: > > <> > I also want to ask about the numerical precision (number of significant > digits) of UF compared to Fractint and how that affects things like zoom. > Fractint, for example, has a maximum zoom limit due to numerical precision. > Naively assuming that 32-bit operation should double the number of > significant digits for "single precision", I would gather UF shines here. > > Comments on these points? Do note that I am not knocking UF as a fractal > generator by claiming that calculation speed is the only thing important to > me. There are many good things about UF, including its color mapping/gradient > system. Now if UF had a "Divide and Conquer" utility like Fractint has, I > think UF will have arrived in my book. > > Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 08:48:03 -0700 In article <200003131504.HAA22137@netcom.com>, Jon Noring writes: > Comments on these points? My only comment is that if you're asking UF questions and soliciting information on UF, please use the UF list and not the fractint list for that purpose. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Noring Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 08:13:06 -0800 (PST) Phil McRevis wrote: >Jon Noring writes: >> Comments on these points? >My only comment is that if you're asking UF questions and soliciting >information on UF, please use the UF list and not the fractint list for >that purpose. Well, I understand your point, but I ask very specific questions that delve into Fractint as well -- in essence I am comparing them. I made one other post to UF that I did not cross-post here because it did not delve into Fractint in any significant way, and thus would be off-topic here. My cross-post here, I believe was very relevant. Even more so since the future of Fractint will be 32-bit, and UF is creating new expectations, and has some good ideas, that the future Fractint may have to adapt, such as the color mapping/gradient scheme. I assume that discussing the future of Fractint is on-topic to this list? So, back to my original post -- comments? Jon Noring Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Xylen Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 12:52:41 -0700 Tonton Th wrote: > > Andrew Coppin wrote: > > > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called > > FractReal? > > > > no, IMHO, the "int" will be for "international", so > if you drop integers, no need to change the name > Normally I don't respond to posts, but this one does raise a tiny question. I had always thought it meant 'internal' considering zooming into the innards of a fractal is so easy. Xylen -- __^__ __^__ ( ___ )------------------------------( ___ ) | / | This message has been brought | \ | | / | to you by the language C and | \ | |___| the number F |___| (_____)------------------------------(_____) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ton Koppens" Subject: (fractint) some pars Date: 13 Mar 2000 21:29:36 +0100 Hello list, Some things found this evening playing. Comments are welcome. 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CalcTime 0:07:55.38 at 800x600 on a P166 ; Image Copyright 13 Mar 2000 by Ton Koppens ; e-mail:t.koppens@hccnet.nl ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=GregsMandelP3 function=sin/sqr passes=t center-mag=-0.18655042677651150/-0.08245017094325222/61.42992 params=1.56129642628254/1.772011474959563/0.9198583941160314/0.923841059\ 602649/2.207983642078921/-0.4486373485518967 float=y maxiter=647 inside=bof60 outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=1 colors=000UIj<3>QChPBhPCh<23>TmtTotTpu<3>Uww<43>6CR5BR5AQ49P37O<33>11411\ 3112<2>000000111<2>444555444<14>O6EP6ER6F<3>W7IY8J_9K<3>hFSkGTmIV<3>wOb<\ 3>nIXlHWjFU<3>`9O<39>76O66O66O<3>25N121121121xvy<30>VJk } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) some pars Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:02:58 EST Ton, could you please post the formulas for your pars. Does this mean i don't have the latest orgform? Is it somewhere other than the spanky fractint page? thanks. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: (fractint) latest orgform Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:19:45 EST My orgform files are dated 10-09-99 is there a more current version Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pedro A. O. Lopes" Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:51:45 +0000 Jon Noring wrote: > > Hello, > > This is my second post to come up to speed with UltraFractal. > > I noticed while playing around with UF on some Fractint pars that UF is > somewhat slower (appr. 50%) than Fractint. This surprised me, since I > assumed 32-bit would run a little faster than 16-bit on the newer Pentiums, > which are optimized for 32-bit operation. I guess the Windows 95/98 GUI > overhead slows things down, or that UF has some other things that slow it > down vis-a-vis Fractint. (Note that I specified floating-point in my > Fractint pars so this difference in speed is not due to comparing floating- > point with integer calcuations. Of course, I could still be comparing apples > and oranges in other ways, so those here who are expert on this topic feel > free to chime in and clarify matters.) > > I also want to ask about the numerical precision (number of significant > digits) of UF compared to Fractint and how that affects things like zoom. > Fractint, for example, has a maximum zoom limit due to numerical precision. > Naively assuming that 32-bit operation should double the number of > significant digits for "single precision", I would gather UF shines here. Actually, 16 and 32-bit refer to integer sizes. The numerical precision depends instead on the floating point format used, which can be either 64 or 80-bit. IIRC fractint uses 64-bit and UF uses 80-bit, which allows it to zoom a little further (there was a post about this a short while back?) In this context 16-bit vs. 32-bit really just means DOS-based vs. Windows-based programs. Since the hard work is mostly crunching real numbers, fractint is not greatly affected for being 16-bit code. In the end the big differences in performance (one way or the other) are most likely to come from the algorithms used - that is probably why you found fractint is faster for some fractals. Unless I got it all wrong :) -Pedro Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) fractal file losses Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:54:33 EST Thanks to all who have offered links and files. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:57:01 -0500 > > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called > > > FractReal? > > > > > > > no, IMHO, the "int" will be for "international", so > > if you drop integers, no need to change the name > > > > Normally I don't respond to posts, but this one does raise a > tiny question. I had always thought it meant 'internal' considering > zooming into the innards of a fractal is so easy. But the inside of the most commonly-known fractal, the Mandelbrot set, is black -- which brings me to my point: a long time ago, I thought the name was actually FracTint, referring to its ability to produce nicely-colored fractals. (Remember, DOS was mono-case!) The "int" was most definitely for "integer". I propose that the name should change from FractInt to FracTint if it's not going to do integer math any longer. And there is a precedent for calling a product by a name other than the one chosen by its inventor: pronouncing GIF as "jif", as Compuserve would have us do, is just stupid. I certainly didn't change when I found out that was what they wanted, nor did most people I know. OK, I'll go back to lurking now. But think it over! -- "I'd rather have my country die for me." --Grace Slick, 'rejoyce' Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 22:07:53 -0500 Jim, - And there is a precedent for calling a product by a name other than - the one chosen by its inventor: pronouncing GIF as "jif", as - Compuserve would have us do, is just stupid. I certainly didn't - change when I found out that was what they wanted, nor did most - people I know. (smile) We actually have people in our office who are adamant about one or the other pronunciation. Which, since we do web sites, pops up rather a lot. :) I don't think a substantial name change is going to happen any time soon--after all, Tim just got through registering fractint.org. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) 20.0.9 available Date: 13 Mar 2000 21:45:26 -0600 Ok, ftp.fractint.org is up. I have reorganized things a little. fradev.zip is now a link to the current developer version executable. Right now it is a link to fradev20.0.9.zip. I have applied the latest source patches to xfractint also. We are going to abandon the xfractint version numbering and just have one version number with DOS and X versions. The file naming reflects this, but we haven't fixed the Xfractint screen yet - it still thinks it is 3.11. Tim Here is the current contents of ftp.fractint.org. 2000p01.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 01 2000p02.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 02 2000p03.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 03 2000p04.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 04 2000p05.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 05 2000p06.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 06 2000p07.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 07 2000p08.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 08 2000p09.zip Source diff file 2000 patch 09 fradev.zip Latest developer's executable (link> fradev20.0.8.zip DOS executable for 20.0.8 fradev20.0.9.zip DOS executable for 20.0.9 fradevfo.zip Latest DOS float-only exe (link) fradevfo20.0.9.zip DOS float-only exe 20.0.9 frain200.zip Fractint version 20.0 distribution package frasr200.zip Fractint version 20.0 source code index.txt This file. xfract20.0.8.zip Xfractint package version 20.0.8 xfract20.0.9.zip Xfractint package version 20.0.9 xfractint.zip Latest Xfractint (link) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 13 Mar 2000 21:55:44 -0600 On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Short daft question: > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called > FractReal? > Maybe it should be called "Fractfloat" (for floating-point fractal creation). The following is in response to several other posters as to what the "int" in Fractint stood for: Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember reading in a Fractint book about 10 years ago that the "int" in Fractint *does* relate to the fact that the program creates fractals so quickly using integer math. Which was really fantastic then, considering that 80386's and slower 80286's were prevalent at the time. Any one in the Stone Soup Group want to correct me or substantiate this? Scott D. Boyd -- email: sdboyd@fastlane.net http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/ Introducing -- Windows 2000 !! -- Now with only 65,000 bugs !! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 00:29:33 -0500 > > Short daft question: > > > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then be called > > FractReal? Considering that many of us are sporting names that no longer have any direct meaning or convey accurate information about us (how many "Wrights" are?), I don't see why anyone would balk for a moment at fractint retaining its historic name. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL RAY Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 14 Mar 2000 01:11:48 -0500 Not of reasonableness here - how would you expect anyone discussing BOTH Fractint and UF and COMPARING THE TWO, as the writer was, to confine his thoughts to ONLY the UF list? Would it really KILL anyone to entertain his question, which is pertinent to Fractint? C'mon, don't be so tightassed. Jon Noring wrote: > Phil McRevis wrote: > >Jon Noring writes: > > >> Comments on these points? > > >My only comment is that if you're asking UF questions and soliciting > >information on UF, please use the UF list and not the fractint list for > >that purpose. > > Well, I understand your point, but I ask very specific questions that delve > into Fractint as well -- in essence I am comparing them. I made one other > post to UF that I did not cross-post here because it did not delve into > Fractint in any significant way, and thus would be off-topic here. > > My cross-post here, I believe was very relevant. Even more so since the > future of Fractint will be 32-bit, and UF is creating new expectations, and > has some good ideas, that the future Fractint may have to adapt, such as the > color mapping/gradient scheme. I assume that discussing the future of > Fractint is on-topic to this list? > > So, back to my original post -- comments? > > Jon Noring > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 14-03-00 (Fractal Landscape [7]) (c) Date: 14 Mar 2000 02:14:21 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 14, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's single layer fractal rates a seven, which is above average on my 0 to 10 scale of fractal worthiness. I mention that the image consists of a single layer because I am occasionally asked why I never create fractals with more than one layer. After all, a multi-layered fractal is like polyphonic music, where different but harmonious melodies blend together into a single pleasing artistic whole. Well, my best answer is that I don't do multi-layered fractals for the same reason that, while standing at the rim of the Grand Canyon, one would not wear spectacles that distorted the view. I enjoy fractals for what they are -- visible representations of the always surprising things that numbers can do. Multiple layers distort the view. My eyes do not blend different images as well as my ears blend different melodic lines. I must not be alone, as most music is polyphonic, while most traditional fine art consists of a single image. Of course, times are changing, and this single image art could be due to the relative difficulty until now of overlaying different images by eye and hand alone. It could all change now that computers enable us to overlay as many images as we wish with relative ease. After all, there was a time many centuries ago when music was monophonic, but that changed. It will be interesting to see the course visual art takes as we move further into the age of computers. Another reason I avoid multiple layers is because of my nature. I am a bit old fashioned. I am also an individualist who tends to avoid things when they become trendy, as multiple layered fractals have. Such things have a tendency to ultimately exhaust themselves. Disco music and CB radio are two examples that immediately come to mind. Only time will tell if the current interest in multi-layered fractals is a passing fad or here to stay. (I suspect it will slacken but never die completely.) But time told nothing today, for it took over an hour to find today's single-layer FOTD, which I have named "Fractal Landscape". The whimsical formula behind the image is 10Z^(-1.4142)-0.1Z^(1.4142)+C. When I look at the intricate detail in this single layer, I can hardly imagine obscuring it with unnecessary layers. The parameter file takes 8 minutes to render, long enough to make all but the most patient fractalists run to Usenet at: or to the WWW at: and download the completed image file from there. The fractal weather today was partly cloudy and chilly. The temperature of 48F (9C) was too cool fot the cats, who passed the day by the source of heat. I'm in the act of recharging my philosophical batteries, so we have no further philosophy this evening. But tomorrow's FOTD is only 24 hours away, and anything could happen. Until then, take care, and the best is always yet to come. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Landscape { ; time=0:07:57.92 SF5 on a p200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 8 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.64776480072053690/+0.00455049699312394\ /1117246/1/-87.499 params=10/-1.4142/-0.1/1.4142/0/0 float=y maxiter=1400 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=132 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000N8FK8FM8FQ8FQ8EW8EU8E`8EN9EcAEdBEfCCeFEfIG\ fLIiRFfNJdJNbFRZDT<6>iCWkCWmCX<3>sCYu9_<12>obModLnfK\ <3>moG<3>TZ9OU8JQ6<2>3D1<14>IF8JF8KF8<3>OFAME9<5>`GC\ bHDeHD<2>lIFnIFnKHnMJ<3>fYZd`bg`b<3>pZarZ`tY`vY`zX_<\ 8>i`cg`cfad<3>ZbefYo<2>IlN<3>KmPLmPLmQMmQMmQ<2>orBzw\ 6rmCzmIgaN<3>MEiH8nK9o<8>fEohFokGo<3>uIozCywIotOfqUY\ lYSnZP<3>v3F<7>mL_lNakPd<2>hWkgYnhZs<14>N_LM_IL_G<3>\ F_7D`1<5>FfKFgNGhQGiTGjWGkZ<3>JoeJpgKqh<3>MuoNvv<3>L\ z`LzWLzR<2>KzBFz4<4>azB<3>TzC } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:29:00 GET I'll try again. Sorry for the confusion, I think i didn't explain myself properly about L-systems being converted into vector files. If you render a vector file of anything, and enlarge it, there will be no "jaggies" in diagonal lines. In this sense, to the limits of screen and printer resolution, and of human perception, I suppose the reproduction is perfect enough, even if not "actually" perfect. Close enough. So if you render an L-system as a vector file (either directly from the original programme, which was what my original question was about, or by tracing the saved bitmap), and then enlarge that vector file, it will keep the same detail regardless of size. SO, is there anything out there which can do this - take an L-system and render it directly as an .ai or .eps or other vector file? If not, an acceptable (though less likely) alternative would be a tracing programme which you could constrain to certain angles and their multiples and to certain line lengths and their multiples. I'm asking all this because I'm deep into the production of a set of fonts made from L-systems... shh, don't tell... and I want to be able to reproduce them as vectors, not bitmaps. They need to be fairly low-order things, because higher orders and their finer details would just smudge out in small letter sizes. And I want to be able to blow them up to bigger sizes, as well. Tony Hanmer Tbilisi, Georgia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 14 Mar 2000 01:52:12 -0600 Tony (Anthony) Hanmer wrote: > > So if you render an L-system as a vector file > (either directly from the original programme, > which was what my original question was about, > or by tracing the saved bitmap), and then > enlarge that vector file, it will keep the same > detail regardless of size. > > SO, is there anything out there which can do > this - take an L-system and render it directly > as an .ai or .eps or other vector file? Adobe Streamline 4.0 http://www.adobe.com/products/streamline/main.html P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tonton Th Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:26:30 +0100 Xylen wrote: > > tiny question. I had always thought it meant 'internal' considering > zooming into the innards of a fractal is so easy. > very good explanation. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:02:26 -1000 Windows9x is still basically 16-bit with some 32-bit elements. You need a real 32-bit OS like Linux or NT for 32-bit-optimized processors. On 13 Mar 00 at 7:04, Jon Noring wrote: > I noticed while playing around with UF on some Fractint > pars that UF is somewhat slower (appr. 50%) than > Fractint. This surprised me, since I assumed 32-bit > would run a little faster than 16-bit on the newer > Pentiums, which are optimized for 32-bit operation. I > guess the Windows 95/98 GUI overhead slows things down, > or that UF has some other things that slow it down > vis-a-vis Fractint. (Note that I specified > floating-point in my Fractint pars so this difference in > speed is not due to comparing floating- point with > integer calcuations. Of course, I could still be > comparing apples and oranges in other ways, so those > here who are expert on this topic feel free to chime in > and clarify matters.) Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond Of course I talk to myself! There's no one else around right now!! (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:30:24 GMT > > > Short daft question: > > > > > > If you remove the integer math from FractInt, shouldn't it then > > > >be called FractReal? > >Considering that many of us are sporting names that no longer have >any >direct meaning or convey accurate information about us (how many >"Wrights" >are?), I don't see why anyone would balk for a moment at >fractint >retaining its historic name. > >Mike I agree with Mike, it is a very daft question. Rupert Millard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: (fractint) little animation Date: 14 Mar 2000 13:14:49 +0100 --=====================_953032489==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, ok, ok, here is a .zip of the requested files.. copy the unzipped files into your Fractint.dir und run the batches.. the minilake.bat generates only 55 frames, while the lakefilm.bat does about 308 frames. About DTA.EXE: I got no homepage.. so if one need the DTA.EXE let me know (it is much too large to attach it here). About the Batch-generating Program: It's a modification of the freeware Fractfly.exe from Josh Lannin, not ready to be distributed in its modificated release.. Mabe in 2-3 months.. I hope this helps ya .. have fun.. 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Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Noel Giffin Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] A question on museum-quality fractal Date: 14 Mar 2000 13:51:07 -0800 Jon Noring wrote: > > > I visited it and it is full of good information. However, I am surprised you > left out the LightJet, the direct competitor to the Durst Lambda. The > LightJet, if it is still in business, as of two years ago had slightly higher > resolution than the Durst Lambda and was specially calibrated to run with > Ilfochrome! Ilfochrome normally has contrast problems, but in the LightJet The LightJet system is still available from: Cymbolic Sciences who build them. http://www.cymbolic.com/ From their website it looks like there are about 400 machines out there somewhere. It does look like a very high quality system. regards, Noel Giffin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 14 Mar 2000 14:53:22 -0700 Its relatively straightforward to write L-system code in postscript directly. Of course, you have to be a programmer to do this. In article <20000314072900.78215.qmail@hotmail.com>, "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" writes: > If you render a vector file of anything, and enlarge it, there will be no > "jaggies" in diagonal lines. I think what keeps throwing other people off is your use of terminology. Traditional use of the word "render" means to turn it into pixels on the screen. So once you render a vector file, its turned into pixels and there will always be jaggies on your pixel rendering unless you used a nice anti-aliased line implementation. > So if you render an L-system as a vector file (either directly from the > original programme, which was what my original question was about, or by > tracing the saved bitmap), and then enlarge that vector file, it will keep > the same detail regardless of size. I wouldn't use the word "render" for this. Rendering produces pixels. Generally people talk about this process as "output", i.e. "output the L-system as a vector file". > SO, is there anything out there which can do this - take an L-system and > render it directly as an .ai or .eps or other vector file? There are a variety of L-system programs out there. Writing an L-system expansion in PostScript is rather trivial, as I say, if you already know PostScript. I've done it myself and its only half a page of PostScript code. Of course it takes forever for the printer to rasterize it at high expansion levels because of the nature of L-systems to produce huge amounts of geometry. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: (fractint) whats in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:06 0000 Hi Jim, > a long time ago, I thought the name was >actually FracTint, referring to its ability to produce nicely-colored >fractals. Funny you should say that but I've got a search going on tracerlock (www.tracerlock.com) which reports all new occurances of the word fractint on altavista, it's great for keeping tabs on new galleries and such. Anyway it recently threw up this address: http://perso.club-internet.fr/gravert/galvech/tinting.htm Where someone has independantly coined the word to describe a printing technique which uses naturally generated fractal patterns. Cheers, Robin. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aero Subject: (fractint) deepzoom animation Date: 15 Mar 2000 00:45:40 +0000 Hello all, (my first post) I'm generating a complete zoom from the full mandelbrot down to a deep zoom. Using an image from the 'Deepzooming with Fractint' web page as a starting point, (the one by Dewey Odhner called 390m586) mag 8.166x10^58, I started zooming out step by step. I've generated a par file with 3872 pars (split into 4 since Fractint limits to 2000 pars - incidentally Fractint will give an error when loading a par file of exactly 2000 pars, even though it does give all 2000 - a minor bug, I ain't complaining about such a wonderful product! Also, the 'int' definitely stood for integer when I first started back in the days of 386s.) I generated every 100th frame to get an estimate of total generation time which came to about 1600 hours. I started generating each image a 640x480 (on a PII 400) Quite straightforward with simple repetitive autokey files. Over the past month I've generated the outermost 2700 frames. I estimate another 1000 hours to completion. To add interest my zoom rotates 1 step, colour-rotates 1 step and increases the maxiter by one each frame. The resulting animation so far makes a very nice avi. If there's interest here I'll post more details, including the basic 'anatomy' of this deepzoom. If anyone wants to help I'll post them pars. I'll be adding details of this (and other less deep zooms that I made last year) on my website and will let you all know when I upload them. My other zooms (3 barnsleys, a lyapunov, a julia and 2 mandels) were all under 1000 frames and took only a few hours to generate as they go as deep as or much deeper than the point at which arbitrary precision is needed. Incidentally, to add to a point of discussion that was ongoing recently: I found that in my current deepzoom, 8.139x10^12 wasn't arb-precision (taking a few seconds) while the next frame 8.444x10^12 went arbitrary and took several minutes. Last month I had the fortune to be performing my video art at a club that had a 360 degree video screen consisting of 16 LCD video projectors. These fractal zooms (among other stuff) looked fantastic! (more details of such stuff in on my web-site, look for Optic Alchemy) Regards and respect to you all, Aero inFINitE ART, Huddersfield,UK www.rherrero.demon.co.uk Phone: 00 44 (0) 1484 303737 Love & Respect, Richard Herrero _.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 14 Mar 2000 20:22:17 -0500 David, - Windows9x is still basically 16-bit with some 32-bit - elements. You need a real 32-bit OS like Linux or NT for - 32-bit-optimized processors. Please do not spew biased misinformation on this list. If you had asked any programmer who has actually WORKED with Windows 95 they will be quite happy to tell you it is primarily a 32-bit OS. There are portions which still use 16-bit code, but they aren't nearly as huge as your comments would indicate. Programs do run in protected, isolated memory spaces, using 32-bit memory management. 16-bit segments are for all practical purposes gone. Core processes are run as 32-bit, it is mainly portions of the GUI which are still 16-bit, plus some compatibility code which lets you run more DOS stuff than you can in NT. Your platform advocacy probably belongs in an advocacy newsgroup, not on the FractInt mailing list, IMO. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 20:08:00 -0600 Damien speculated: > I don't think a substantial name change is going to happen any time > soon--after all, Tim just got through registering fractint.org. My opinion is that the name will be Fractint forever, even long after we have removed integer math :-) The reason is not that I invested $75 is the domain name, it's just that that's the name of the program. Then again, who knows, anything can happen! It does occur to me that Bert Tyler named the Windows version "Winfract", but even then we understood that this was the windows port of Fractint. So who knows? :-) But I'm not inclined to change the name of the program just because integer math is gone. One of the great things about about a group project is that we can decide stuff like this together! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) What's in a name? Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:38:09 -0800 <<>>> Should Coca-Cola change their name because the....er...ingredients are not quite the same as the original recipe? Bet the original gave quite a buzz....hope Fractint keeps buzzing along no matter what it's called. Wizzle Tim Wegner wrote: > > Damien speculated: > > > I don't think a substantial name change is going to happen any time > > soon--after all, Tim just got through registering fractint.org. > > My opinion is that the name will be Fractint forever, even long after we have > removed integer math :-) The reason is not that I invested $75 is > the domain name, it's just that that's the name of the program. > > Then again, who knows, anything can happen! > > It does occur to me that Bert Tyler named the Windows version > "Winfract", but even then we understood that this was the windows > port of Fractint. So who knows? :-) But I'm not inclined to change > the name of the program just because integer math is gone. > > One of the great things about about a group project is that we can > decide stuff like this together! > > Tim > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 15-03-00 (FOTD for March 15 [5]) (c) Date: 15 Mar 2000 02:55:14 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 15, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: I see that the FracTint vs UltraFractal debate has heated up again. Of course, it's no secret that I'm a Fractint user, and have been since version 2.1. I still have that early version stashed away in a remote directory of my old 8mhz 80286 machine. The executable file of that ancient version is named fract386.exe. The file size is a whopping 32,541 bytes, and the date is 10-23-88 -- 9:06p. Things have come a long way since then. Actually, I feel that the big debate is a bit overwrought. I see Fractint and UF as complementing each other rather than competing, with Fractint emphasizing the mathematical aspect of fractals, and UF with its multiple layers emphasizing the artistic aspect. My view is pretty near the middle in this debate, but if asked to choose a side, I would side with the Stone-Soupers, since I am more interested in the math than the art. Today's fractal comes from the formula 4Z^(-2)-5Z^(-1)+C. The area in which the scene lies consists of features that resemble elephants with heads on both ends. The parent fractal is rather interesting, with a train of Mandeloid fragments shrinking to infinity. This fractal definitely deserves the further investi- gation that I will give it tomorrow. I was unable to think of a name for today's picture, and finally settled on the technical description "FOTD for March 15" as the name. The image, which originally was a bit drab, was given post-processing in a graphics program to liven it. The parameter file takes about 10 minutes to fill the screen with pixels. The image file, which already has its pixels calculated, is available for download at the Usenet site: and at the Web site: The fractal weather was notably dull today. The partly cloudy skies and temperature of 57F (14C) were perfect for the fractal cats, who passed the afternoon on the porch. I was too busy today to philosophize, but I'll try again tomorrow. I certainly have a lot more to say, if only I can find the time to say it. Until next time, take care, and put your best fractal forward. PS I think I've found a serious bug in the float-only version of Fractint patch level 9, which I'm testing. The bug involves writing to the parameter file. I'll check it further tomorrow and report on what I find. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FOTD_for_March_15 { ; time=0:09:46.62 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.1702420942277648/-0.2949882391891143/6\ .600867e+012/1/-177.503/0.002 params=-5/-1/4/-2/0/0 float=y maxiter=3600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=185 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=0006FB17F02G06I07K0AL0BN<2>2IS2KU4LV4NW6PY6QY\ 6U_7Va7WbAYdA_fBagBdiDfjDglFinFjoFloKfjN_fSUaVNW_ISb\ BNg4Ij0Do07r04t02t01u00u00w20w60wA0yD0<3>zQ0zU0zV0wW\ 0rW1nWAiWIfWQaYYWYfSYnNYuKYzLWy<2>QVrSVpUVoVVnVUjWUi\ YUg_UfaSbbSadS_dQWfQVgQU<2>lPNnPLnPKjVGiaDgfBfl7dp6b\ w2az0<2>Wz0Uz0Qz6NzDKzKIzQ<2>7zi4zo2zu1zu0zu0zu0zw0z\ w0zw0zy0wy0ty0ru0pr0op0nn0ll0ji0if0id0ga0f_0dWAN10bV\ 0aS1_P1YN2YK2WI4VF6UB6SA7Q67P4AN102_04W06V<2>07Q0AP0\ AN0BL0DK0DI0FG1FF2GD2GB4IA4K76K67L47L2AN11z72z62z64z\ 44t46o26i27b17Y1AS0GBGFDFFFDDGBDGADI7BK6BK4AL2AN1zP1\ uQ0lS0<2>KW0zY0w_0ta0pb0od0<3>dj0al0Yn0Vo0Up0Qr0<2>I\ w0Fy0Bz0zzrzzjzzdtzYjzS<2>Iz60zn0zj0zi0zg0zd0zb0za0z\ Y0zW1zV1zU2zQ2zP2zN4zK4zI4zG6zF6zB7zA7z77z4Az2Az1Vz4\ Uz2Sz2Sz2Qz2Pz2Pz2Nz2Nz1Lz1Kz1Kz1Iz1Gz1<2>Fz0Uz1Pz2I\ z6DzA } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 09:32:30 +0100 Hi fractinters, Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it? Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:40:57 GET Thanks Phil, I stand corrected on my use of "render" for "output". I suppose that does explain a lot of the confusion. Thanks also for your advice on Postsctipt programming - never been there or done that, but it sounds helpful. ... Of course I had to ask for the lazy way out first, which was why the questions about taking an actual L-system programme (the few lines of code in each named entry of any Fractint .l file, not the .gifs or other bitmaps one can produce from it), and outputting THAT to a vector file, aside from programming it oneself in Postscript... The silence means either my question wasn't understood until now, or there's just nothing out there which can do this. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) 20.0.9 available Date: 15 Mar 2000 10:14:43 +0100 At 21:39 12/03/00 -0600, you wrote: >Fractint 20.0.9 is now available. The web site www.fractint.org >.... The following is the 20.0.9 version of the float-only >version: > >http://home.swbell.net/twegner/fradevfo.zip > >(The "fo" means "float only"). Is the actual 20.0.9 version still sustaining integer-math? I must ask this, because my favoured "buggy" julibrots are still working with that version! > >I'll post the source for this soon. so the Version without integer-math will come soon.. right? >It would probably make sense to >make an xfractint version based on these sources since Xfractint >does not support integer math anyway. I would be interested in >hearing of anything that does not work in the float only version >(that's not related to integer math of course). Beware - this version >looks a LOT like the regular version. > >The only real advantage of the float-only version for users is a >somewhat smaller memory footprint (try with debug=10000 on the >command line and compare.) an perhaps, the disadventage is, that the julibrots won't work? > >Tim > cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) deepzoom animation Date: 15 Mar 2000 10:14:34 +0100 At 00:45 15/03/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hello all, > >(my first post) > >I'm generating a complete zoom from the full mandelbrot down to a deep >zoom. this is very interesting!! > >If there's interest here I'll post more details, including the basic >'anatomy' of this deepzoom. > >If anyone wants to help I'll post them pars. > please do so, to my adress.. I can share PC-time (AMD K7-650) some days (or nights) for such a project.. >I'll be adding details of this (and other less deep zooms that I made >last year) on my website and will let you all know when I upload them. oh yes! >My other zooms (3 barnsleys, a lyapunov, a julia and 2 mandels) were all >under 1000 frames and took only a few hours to generate as they go as >deep as or much deeper than the point at which arbitrary precision is >needed. What PRG are you using to generate the .par-files? There must be huge files? >Incidentally, to add to a point of discussion that was ongoing recently: >I found that in my current deepzoom, 8.139x10^12 wasn't arb-precision >(taking a few seconds) while the next frame 8.444x10^12 went arbitrary >and took several minutes. is there a visible difference between deep-zoom frames an NOT-deep-zoom frames? > >Last month I had the fortune to be performing my video art at a club >that had a 360 degree video screen consisting of 16 LCD video >projectors. These fractal zooms (among other stuff) looked fantastic! >(more details of such stuff in on my web-site, look for Optic Alchemy) > ya!! go on that way!! best regards! Guy >Regards and respect to you all, > >Aero > > > >inFINitE ART, Huddersfield,UK >www.rherrero.demon.co.uk >Phone: 00 44 (0) 1484 303737 >Love & Respect, Richard Herrero >_.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._ > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:34:43 +1300 At 12:40 15/03/2000 GET, you wrote: >Thanks Phil, > Thanks also for your advice on Postsctipt >programming - never been there or done that, but it sounds helpful. > If you do decide to have a crack at this, I'd be interested in what you come up with. If you recall the Lparser program I sent you, I recalled (and just confirmed) that running it with an -l command switch you cause it to spit out the final (fully expanded) string from which the drawing commands are derived. You might find this useful in a Postscript project because it would allow you to try converting real lsystem strings into Postscript commands without having to write a Fractint lsystem entry parser first. I suspect the trickiest part of the job would be fitting it to the page (or at least scaling it in some useful fashion). Of course, like Phil said, these things have a _lot_ of geometry, so you might rather want some standalone program that would do all the lsystem parsing and iteration stuff, and just write the final results (say, a list of line segments) to the file, rather than hope that whatever's interpreting your Postscript is up to the task. Also in passing, I thought you might also like to be made aware of http://www.wotsit.org/ - a file format archive, including things like Illustrator, EPS, DXF and other vector image formats. Also also in passing, I note that Phils says the word is "output" instead of "render" and then later goes ahead and says "rasterize" anyway :-) Morgan L. Owens "I still remember when a lot of computer monitors _were_ vector driven..." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 07:54:56 -0800 (PST) > Hi fractinters, > > Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it? I have used the current version of partobat on a Win95 system in a DOS window. I presume it would work on Win98. I think I found it or a link to it on Jo Weber's web site. http://www.joweber.de/ If you don't find it there, email me off list and I'll send you the ZIP file. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Jemison Subject: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:16:40 -0500 Jon, You mention the divide and conquer methodology using Fractint. There is n= o longer a need for that, as Fractint v.20 (+) has the ability to generate very large fractals without dividing. I realize there may be other reason= s to divide - such as using many machines (as I recall you used to do). I just wanted to point out this new capability with Fractint20, in case you= aren't aware of it. I have generated images of 16000x12000 during the testing of the feature.= Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) latest orgform Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:20:40 -0600 RParracho@aol.com wrote: > > My orgform files are dated 10-09-99 > is there a more current version > The latest version of 3.3 (October 10, 1999) is the only one that I am aware of at this time: http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:24:49 -0600 Guy Marson wrote: > > Will ask again 2 questions: > Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > and were can I download it? http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version of Fractint, which causes the center coordinate data to be written incorrectly to the parameter file. This bug affects images with a magnitude greater than 1e006, where the center coordinate data is rounded and truncated to 6 decimal places as it is written. The corresponding version (20.0.9) with integer math appears to be working correctly. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:27:05 -0500 >>>Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it?<<< Guy, There was a problem with earlier versions of partobat - it wouldn't run on computers faster than 200Mhz because of a bug in the Pascal compiler. I don't think this had anything to do with Windows. This was fixed in a later version. I see Ken has already responded to you but if you can't find the latest version, email me and I'll try to dig it up for you. I think the version I have is 3.5. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 15:30:32 -0500 The version of Partobat at Spanky did not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site has two more recent versions at: http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. Mike "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > Guy Marson wrote: > > > > Will ask again 2 questions: > > Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? > > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > > > > and were can I download it? > > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ > > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ton Koppens" Subject: Re: (fractint) some pars Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:47:40 +0100 I believe these formula's were post 1 or 2 months ago to this list. There were about 50-60 of them. If you like I can trace them and send as a zipf= ile to you privately. Here follow the 2 used for my pars. Greetings, Ton t.koppens@hccnet.nl ps. Sorry I react just now but I've been away on training for som days. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D frm:GregsJuliaLB {; =A92000 Greg McClure ; p1 =3D point, p2 =3D multiplier, p3 =3D cutoff/type ; imag(p3) =3D type =3D 0/MOD, 1/REAL, 2/IMAG, 3/OR, 4/AND, 5/MANH, 6/MAN= R z =3D Pixel, z =3D p2 * (log(fn1(z)) + log(fn2(z))) + p1: z =3D p2 * (log(fn1(z)) + log(fn2(z))) + p1 ip =3D imag(p3) rz =3D real(z) iz =3D imag(z) IF(ip<0.1) ct =3D z ELSEIF(ip<1.1) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF(ip<2.1) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|>|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|<=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|<|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|>=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF(ip<5.1) ct =3D (abs(rz) + abs(iz)) ELSEIF(ip<6.1) ct =3D (rz + iz) ELSE ct =3D z ENDIF, |ct| <=3D |real(p3)| ;SOURCE: 150100.frm } frm:GregsMandelP3 {; =A92000 Greg McClure ; p1 =3D offset, p2 =3D exponent, p3 =3D cutoff/type ; imag(p3) =3D type =3D 0/MOD, 1/REAL, 2/IMAG, 3/OR, 4/AND, 5/MANH, 6/MAN= R ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 1/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D sqr/zero =3D standard M= andelbrot ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 1/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D zero/sqr =3D standard M= andelbrot ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 2/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D zero/ident =3D standard= Mandelbrot z =3D p1 + Pixel: z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(z)^p2 + Pixel ip =3D imag(p3) rz =3D real(z) iz =3D imag(z) IF(ip<0.1) ct =3D z ELSEIF(ip<1.1) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF(ip<2.1) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|>|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|<=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|<|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|>=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF(ip<5.1) ct =3D (abs(rz) + abs(iz)) ELSEIF(ip<6.1) ct =3D (rz + iz) ELSE ct =3D z ENDIF, |ct| <=3D |real(p3)| ;SOURCE: 150100.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 17:25:30 -0600 Jim wrote: > There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version > of Fractint ... Anyone who finds bugs specific to the float-only version can email the details to me. It's best to give me specific details (as simple as possible) for duplicating the bug - usually a PAR - and tell me exactly what to look for. The float-only version probably has bugs, but probably wouldn't be too hard to straighten out. I appreciate efforts by users to look into this. An easy way to test would be to run a bunch a PARs using something like PAR2BAT. The results obtained with the two versions (regular and float only) should be the same. Jim, in the case of the problem you found, I could probably figure out the problem from what you said, but I'd prefer a PAR and a detailed set of instructions. Thanks! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) 20.0.9 available Date: 15 Mar 2000 17:46:22 -0600 Guy asked: > Is the actual 20.0.9 version still sustaining integer-math? I must ask > this, because my favoured "buggy" julibrots are still working with that > version! Yes, integer math is still in the regular 20.0.9 version. I lobbied to take out integer math earlier, but the team didn't go along with me My guess is that the DOS medium memory model version will always support integer math, but integer math will die when we abandon the medium memory model. I don't expect the traditional fractint to develop much further. Change to a better platform is already long overdue. (Xfractint has never supported integer math. Winfract did, but that is because Windows 3.1 applications could be compiled with the medium memory model. Windows 95- specirfic applications can't. Tim ------- End of forwarded message ------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) some pars Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:03:37 EST thanks for posting the formulas...i will look through the list digests to find them. Thamks for offering though. Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Wray Subject: RE: (fractint) 20.0.9 available Date: 16 Mar 2000 13:45:47 +1300 On Thursday, 16 March 2000 12:46, Tim Wegner [SMTP:twegner@swbell.net] wrote: > Guy asked: > > > Is the actual 20.0.9 version still sustaining integer-math? I must ask > > this, because my favoured "buggy" julibrots are still working with that > > version! > > Yes, integer math is still in the regular 20.0.9 version. I lobbied to > take out integer math earlier, but the team didn't go along with me > My guess is that the DOS medium memory model version > will always support integer math, but integer math will die when we > abandon the medium memory model. I hope that the integer math option will still be there somewhere... Those poor old 386's and486sx's need something to do to keep them feeling like they are needed!!!! Theres nothing they like better than sitting in the corner calculating fractals all day every day... they (virtually) purr... :-) ---------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. (If you want my PGP public key send me an email with "get public key" as the subject.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 15:30:32 -0500 The version of Partobat at Spanky did not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site has two more recent versions at: http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. Mike "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > Guy Marson wrote: > > > > Will ask again 2 questions: > > Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? > > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > > > > and were can I download it? > > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ > > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:27:05 -0500 >>>Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it?<<< Guy, There was a problem with earlier versions of partobat - it wouldn't run on computers faster than 200Mhz because of a bug in the Pascal compiler. I don't think this had anything to do with Windows. This was fixed in a later version. I see Ken has already responded to you but if you can't find the latest version, email me and I'll try to dig it up for you. I think the version I have is 3.5. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 12:26:43 -0500 (EST) There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version of Fractint, which causes the center coordinate data to be written incorrectly to the parameter file. This bug affects images with a magnitude greater than 1e006, where the center coordinate data is rounded and truncated to 6 decimal places as it is written. The corresponding version (20.0.9) with integer math appears to be working correctly. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:24:49 -0600 Guy Marson wrote: > > Will ask again 2 questions: > Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > and were can I download it? http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) latest orgform Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:20:40 -0600 RParracho@aol.com wrote: > > My orgform files are dated 10-09-99 > is there a more current version > The latest version of 3.3 (October 10, 1999) is the only one that I am aware of at this time: http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:05:46 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version > of Fractint, which causes the center coordinate data to be written > incorrectly to the parameter file. I can reproduce the problem, and and know where to look to fix it. Thanks! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Jemison Subject: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:16:40 -0500 Jon, You mention the divide and conquer methodology using Fractint. There is n= o longer a need for that, as Fractint v.20 (+) has the ability to generate very large fractals without dividing. I realize there may be other reason= s to divide - such as using many machines (as I recall you used to do). I just wanted to point out this new capability with Fractint20, in case you= aren't aware of it. I have generated images of 16000x12000 during the testing of the feature.= Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:51:01 -0600 I looked into the bug Jim Muth mentioned, and found this in the code: /* FIX ME */ put_parm(1 ? "%g/%g" : "%+20.17lf/%+20.17lf", Xctr, Yctr); ARRGGHHH! I had noticed the problem and flagged it with a FIX ME and then never fixed it!!! I have updated the float-only file at fractint.org. The file name hasn't changed, it is still ftp://ftp.fractint.org/fractdevfo.zip but it now reports itself as 20.0.9.1 I'm the only one who has ever seen the float- only code. I need to get it uploaded for the team - I'll do it in the next few days. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:43:40 -0600 Mike Traynor wrote: > > The version of Partobat at Spanky did > not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site > has two more recent versions at: > > http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm > > and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > > > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ > > These are the versions that are available at Spanky's from the URL I gave above: PARTOB.DOC, 1 Kb, PARTOB.ZIP, 18 Kb, PARTOB34.ZIP, 18 Kb, PARTOB35.ZIP, 18 Kb, Don't remember where I got mine, but I know that the copies on my various PCs were acquired quite some time ago (in the previous millenium). P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 16-03-00 (Rolling Grassland [6]) (c) Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:45:10 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 16, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Having survived the tempests of the Ides of March, I thought a nice soothing fractal would be an appropriate way to end the day. So I unpacked an image I had stored away a year or so ago, touched up the coloring a bit, and declared the result FOTD for March 16. To me, this picture resembles a scene on a rolling, wind-swept, grass-covered prairie. All we need is a cloud or two in the sky to complete the illusion. Of course, no camera was used to create the scene other than the camera of the mind. The formula that created the picture is my RectangularN, which computes the Rectangular (imag[z],imag[c]) slices of Z^n+C. In the case of today's picture, n=1.1. I named the picture "Rolling Grassland". The reason for the name will be apparent as soon as the image is viewed. That image may be viewed by running the parameter file and waiting 8-1/2 minutes, or by going to: or to: and downloading the JPEG file from there. The fractal weather was near perfect today, with a temperature of 70F (21C) that gave the cats their best day of the year. Unfortunately, in the late afternoon an unexpectedly strong wind arose, which struck a pile of old newspapers that I had stacked on the porch, and scattered them all over the yard. I knew I should have tied that bundle. Once again I have fallen short on my philosophical musings, but once again tomorrow I'll have another try. Until then, take care, and be at peace. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Rolling_Grassland { ; time=0:08:26.40 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=RectangularN passes=1 center-mag=-0.00255084527186440/+0.00001503202402791\ /178233/0.001255/0.148/89.811 params=1.1/0/0/0/0.041627863/-0.002064849 float=y maxiter=10000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=136 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000Noz<2>PozQozRoySox<12>`ow`owaow<3>dowdptep\ w<13>oqwpqwprw<3>srwtrr<3>sqZsqUrqPrqKrqG<50>em5em5e\ m4<3>dm4cl5ck5<6>_g5_f5Zf5<3>Xc5_c5cb5<3>c`6cc6ca6cZ\ 6<3>cX6cW6cV6<3>ST6PS6NR7MQ7KQ7<3>KQ7KQ7KQ7KQ7IM7<18\ >8A88A8798<2>678678789<68>`SV } frm:RectangularN {; Jim Muth b=p1, z=flip(real(pixel))+p2, c=flip(imag(pixel))+p3: z=z^(b)+c, |z| <= 16 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) aLphabetS Date: 16 Mar 2000 15:27:20 GET Here is the first of my 15 L-system fonts! I'll send the rest if no changes are suggested for this one - any changes I make to it I'll make to the others, and then release them. Save this file (minus the map at the end) as Alpha01.l - Tony Hanmer README { ; Anthony Hanmer 02-03/2000 Angle 4 ; This is the first of a series of character fonts I have devised Axiom f ; from variations on the Cesaro & Double Cesaro Curve L-systems. f=f ; They can be rendered in orders from 2 & up, depending on your screen ; size (up to 32k x 32k pixels, starting with Fractint 20.0.8!). I have ; also included a .map file, defaulti.map, at the end of this file, to be ; cut & saved separately - the default map with black & white reversed, ; giving a white ground & black figure. From gifs coloured using this map ; you can trace the separate letters & output them into vector files, & ; from there into proper fonts. To be freely used, but not to be changed ; by anyone except me (I welcome suggestions on improvement, to ; a_hanmer@hotmail.com). } ADH156_s { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: S Axiom d\90d\90d/90d/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 1 Axiom d/90ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_x { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: x Axiom \45ddd\90ddd\180ddd\90ddd\180ddd\90ddd\180ddd\90ddd\180ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_7 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 7 Axiom dd/100ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_o { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: o Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_L { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: L Axiom /90ddddd\90dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_5 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 5 Axiom \180d\90d\90d/90d/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 3 Axiom /90d\90ddd\90ddd\90d/180d\90ddd\90ddd\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_8 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 8 Axiom \90ddd\90ddd\90dddddd\90ddd\90ddd\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_6 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 6 Axiom \90d\90ddd\90dddddd\90ddd\90ddd\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: c Axiom \90d\90ddd\90dddddd\90ddd\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_E { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: E Axiom \90d\90ddd\90ddd\90dd/180dd\90ddd\90ddd\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: f Axiom \90d\90ddd\90ddd\90dd/180dd\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_G { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: G Axiom \90d\90ddd\90dddddd\90ddd\90ddd\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_N { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: N Axiom /90dddd/140ddddd\140dddd\ d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_z { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: z Axiom ddd/120ddddd\120ddd\ d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_w { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: w Axiom /90dddd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd\90dddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_m { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: m Axiom \90dddd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd\90dddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_u { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: u Axiom /90ddddd\90ddd\90ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_J { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: J Axiom ---------fffff---------ff Axiom /90ddddd/90dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_v { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: v Axiom /170d\90d/90d\90d/90d\90d/100d/100d\90d/90d\90d/90d\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_H { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: H Axiom \90dddddd/180ddd\90ddd/90ddd\180dddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_A { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: A Axiom \90ddd\90dd/180dd\90ddd\90ddd\90ddd\90d/180d\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_B { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: B Axiom /90ddddd\90ddd\90ddd\90dd/180dd\90ddd\90ddd\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_T { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: T Axiom \90ddddd\90dd\180dddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_p { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: p Axiom \90dddddd/90ddd/90ddd/90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_Q { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: Q Axiom dd/90ddd\90d/180ddd/90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_9 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 9 Axiom /90d\90ddd\90dddddd\90ddd\90ddd\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_R { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: R Axiom \90ddd\90dd/180dd\90ddd\90ddd\90dddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 2 Axiom \180!dd\90d\90d/90d/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_D { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: D Axiom \90ddddd/90d/90d\90d/90d\90d/90d/90d\90d/90d\90d/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_o2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: o (2) Axiom d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_o3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: o (3) Axiom d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d/180d/40d/40d/40d/40d/40d/40d/40d/40d/40d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_Y { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: Y Axiom dd\90dddddd\180ddd/90ddd/90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_K { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: K Axiom \140dddd\130ddd/180dddddd/180ddd\130dddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 4 Axiom /90ddd\90dd/90ddd\180ddd/90dd\180dd/90dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_+ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: + Axiom ddd/90ddd/180ddd/90ddd/180ddd/90ddd/180ddd/90ddd/180 d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_. { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: . Axiom /90d/180d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_, { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: , Axiom /90dd/60d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_., { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ; (semicolon) Axiom \90c015d/180dc000dc015dd/60d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_! { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ! Axiom /90c015ddddc000dc015d/180dc000dc015dddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_? { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ? Axiom c015ddd/90ddd/90dd\90ddc000dc015d/180dc000dc015dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_- { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: - Axiom ddddd/180ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_= { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: = Axiom c015ddddd/90c000d/90c015ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_$ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: $ Axiom ddd/90dd\180dd/90d\90dd\90ddd/90dd/90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_@ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: @ Axiom /180d\90d\90dd\90dd\90ddd\90ddd\90ddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_[ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: [ Axiom /180d/90ddddd/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_] { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ] Axiom d/90ddddd/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_br1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ( Axiom \120dd/30dd/30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_br2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ) Axiom \60dd\30dd\30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_br3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: { Axiom \240dd\30dd/90d\180d/90dd\30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_br4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: } Axiom \60dd\30dd/90d\180d/90dd\30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_: { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: : Axiom /90dd/180dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_I { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: I Axiom d\180ddd\180d/90ddddd/90d\180ddd\180d/90ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_I2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: I (2) Axiom d/180ddd/180d\90ddddd\90d/180ddd/180d\90ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_~ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: ~ Axiom \40d/80d\80d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_/ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: / Axiom \60ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_\ { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: \ Axiom \120ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_pd { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: pound sterling sign Axiom d/90ddd/90d\180d/90ddd\90dd\180dd/90ddd/90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_0 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: 0 Axiom \180d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\40d\100dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_& { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: & Axiom \130dddddddd/70ddd/120ddd/70ddddd\70ddd\110ddddd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_"1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: " (opening, 66) ;Axiom /90dd/60d Axiom \240dd\30d\90c000dd\90c015d/30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_"2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: " (closing, 99) Axiom \60dd\30d\90c000dd\90c015d/30dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_% { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: % Axiom /90d/90d/90d/90ddd/120ddddd\120ddd\90d\90d\90d d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_# { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: # Axiom dd/180dd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd/180dd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd/180dd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90dd/180dd\90dd\90dd/180dd\90 d=d\80d/160d\80d } ADH156_* { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Cesaro variation alphabet: * Axiom \60ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180ddd\120ddd\180dd d=d\80d/160d\80d } ; defaulti.map 252 252 252 0 168 0 0 168 168 168 0 0 168 0 168 168 84 0 168 168 168 84 84 84 84 84 252 84 252 84 84 252 252 252 84 84 252 84 252 252 252 84 252 252 252 0 0 0 20 20 20 32 32 32 44 44 44 56 56 56 68 68 68 80 80 80 96 96 96 112 112 112 128 128 128 144 144 144 160 160 160 180 180 180 200 200 200 224 224 224 252 252 252 0 0 252 64 0 252 124 0 252 188 0 252 252 0 252 252 0 188 252 0 124 252 0 64 252 0 0 252 64 0 252 124 0 252 188 0 252 252 0 188 252 0 124 252 0 64 252 0 0 252 0 0 252 64 0 252 124 0 252 188 0 252 252 0 188 252 0 124 252 0 64 252 124 124 252 156 124 252 188 124 252 220 124 252 252 124 252 252 124 220 252 124 188 252 124 156 252 124 124 252 156 124 252 188 124 252 220 124 252 252 124 220 252 124 188 252 124 156 252 124 124 252 124 124 252 156 124 252 188 124 252 220 124 252 252 124 220 252 124 188 252 124 156 252 180 180 252 196 180 252 216 180 252 232 180 252 252 180 252 252 180 232 252 180 216 252 180 196 252 180 180 252 196 180 252 216 180 252 232 180 252 252 180 232 252 180 216 252 180 196 252 180 180 252 180 180 252 196 180 252 216 180 252 232 180 252 252 180 232 252 180 216 252 180 196 252 0 0 112 28 0 112 56 0 112 84 0 112 112 0 112 112 0 84 112 0 56 112 0 28 112 0 0 112 28 0 112 56 0 112 84 0 112 112 0 84 112 0 56 112 0 28 112 0 0 112 0 0 112 28 0 112 56 0 112 84 0 112 112 0 84 112 0 56 112 0 28 112 56 56 112 68 56 112 84 56 112 96 56 112 112 56 112 112 56 96 112 56 84 112 56 68 112 56 56 112 68 56 112 84 56 112 96 56 112 112 56 96 112 56 84 112 56 68 112 56 56 112 56 56 112 68 56 112 84 56 112 96 56 112 112 56 96 112 56 84 112 56 68 112 80 80 112 88 80 112 96 80 112 104 80 112 112 80 112 112 80 104 112 80 96 112 80 88 112 80 80 112 88 80 112 96 80 112 104 80 112 112 80 104 112 80 96 112 80 88 112 80 80 112 80 80 112 88 80 112 96 80 112 104 80 112 112 80 104 112 80 96 112 80 88 112 0 0 64 16 0 64 32 0 64 48 0 64 64 0 64 64 0 48 64 0 32 64 0 16 64 0 0 64 16 0 64 32 0 64 48 0 64 64 0 48 64 0 32 64 0 16 64 0 0 64 0 0 64 16 0 64 32 0 64 48 0 64 64 0 48 64 0 32 64 0 16 64 32 32 64 40 32 64 48 32 64 56 32 64 64 32 64 64 32 56 64 32 48 64 32 40 64 32 32 64 40 32 64 48 32 64 56 32 64 64 32 56 64 32 48 64 32 40 64 32 32 64 32 32 64 40 32 64 48 32 64 56 32 64 64 32 56 64 32 48 64 32 40 64 44 44 64 48 44 64 52 44 64 60 44 64 64 44 64 64 44 60 64 44 52 64 44 48 64 44 44 64 48 44 64 52 44 64 60 44 64 64 44 60 64 44 52 64 44 48 64 44 44 64 44 44 64 48 44 64 52 44 64 60 44 64 64 44 60 64 44 52 64 44 48 64 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 252 0 0 168 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 07:54:56 -0800 (PST) > Hi fractinters, > > Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it? I have used the current version of partobat on a Win95 system in a DOS window. I presume it would work on Win98. I think I found it or a link to it on Jo Weber's web site. http://www.joweber.de/ If you don't find it there, email me off list and I'll send you the ZIP file. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 07:54:56 -0800 (PST) > Hi fractinters, > > Will ask again 2 questions: Is there a version of PARTOBAT.EXE running well > in a Dos-Window of WINDOWS 98? and were can I download it? I have used the current version of partobat on a Win95 system in a DOS window. I presume it would work on Win98. I think I found it or a link to it on Jo Weber's web site. http://www.joweber.de/ If you don't find it there, email me off list and I'll send you the ZIP file. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) some pars Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:03:37 EST thanks for posting the formulas...i will look through the list digests to find them. Thamks for offering though. Rui Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ton Koppens" Subject: Re: (fractint) some pars Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:47:40 +0100 I believe these formula's were post 1 or 2 months ago to this list. There were about 50-60 of them. If you like I can trace them and send as a zipf= ile to you privately. Here follow the 2 used for my pars. Greetings, Ton t.koppens@hccnet.nl ps. Sorry I react just now but I've been away on training for som days. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D frm:GregsJuliaLB {; =A92000 Greg McClure ; p1 =3D point, p2 =3D multiplier, p3 =3D cutoff/type ; imag(p3) =3D type =3D 0/MOD, 1/REAL, 2/IMAG, 3/OR, 4/AND, 5/MANH, 6/MAN= R z =3D Pixel, z =3D p2 * (log(fn1(z)) + log(fn2(z))) + p1: z =3D p2 * (log(fn1(z)) + log(fn2(z))) + p1 ip =3D imag(p3) rz =3D real(z) iz =3D imag(z) IF(ip<0.1) ct =3D z ELSEIF(ip<1.1) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF(ip<2.1) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|>|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|<=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|<|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|>=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF(ip<5.1) ct =3D (abs(rz) + abs(iz)) ELSEIF(ip<6.1) ct =3D (rz + iz) ELSE ct =3D z ENDIF, |ct| <=3D |real(p3)| ;SOURCE: 150100.frm } frm:GregsMandelP3 {; =A92000 Greg McClure ; p1 =3D offset, p2 =3D exponent, p3 =3D cutoff/type ; imag(p3) =3D type =3D 0/MOD, 1/REAL, 2/IMAG, 3/OR, 4/AND, 5/MANH, 6/MAN= R ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 1/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D sqr/zero =3D standard M= andelbrot ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 1/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D zero/sqr =3D standard M= andelbrot ; p1 =3D 0/0, p2 =3D 2/0, p3 =3D 2/0, fn1/fn2 =3D zero/ident =3D standard= Mandelbrot z =3D p1 + Pixel: z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(z)^p2 + Pixel ip =3D imag(p3) rz =3D real(z) iz =3D imag(z) IF(ip<0.1) ct =3D z ELSEIF(ip<1.1) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF(ip<2.1) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|>|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<3.1) && (|rz|<=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|<|iz|)) ct =3D real(z) ELSEIF((ip<4.1) && (|rz|>=3D|iz|)) ct =3D imag(z) ELSEIF(ip<5.1) ct =3D (abs(rz) + abs(iz)) ELSEIF(ip<6.1) ct =3D (rz + iz) ELSE ct =3D z ENDIF, |ct| <=3D |real(p3)| ;SOURCE: 150100.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 16 Mar 2000 16:07:21 -0500 Yes, it would. But a true fractal doesn't keep the same amount of detail at all sizes. It gets more detail as it gets bigger. The only way to implement this is by recalculating it with an l-system program such as Fractint. Sincerely, Collin Merenoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry N Merenoff <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Speed and precision in UF compared to Fractint Date: 16 Mar 2000 17:04:18 -0500 Yes, in Fractint 20, images larger than 2000x2000 can be generated, but you can't use solid guessing on them. (At least that's what I've found.) Sincerely, Collin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 17-03-00 (Tessellation [5]) (c) Date: 17 Mar 2000 00:11:46 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 17, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: A tessellation is a pattern of small square blocks, such as might be seen covering a tile floor. The blocks in today's fractal are not exactly square, but they do remind me of a tessellated tile floor. I therefore named the picture "Tessellation". The formula that created the picture is (Z^0.6)+2.4(Z^(-1.9))+C. The value of -92 assigned to imag(p3) sets the bailout radius to 8. Changing this parameter changes the size of the individual tiles making up the image. Changing any of the other five parameters creates a totally new image. At 27 minutes, the parameter file is a slow one to render. All but the most patient will want to go to the Usenet group: or to Paul Lee's web site at: and download the already rendered image from there. As for the fractal weather, it was questionable today. Most of the day was cloudy and mild with a temperature of 68F (20C) -- conditions that the cats found enjoyable. But in the late afternoon a steady rain began, which is still continuing. Due to too much other work, my philosophical efforts went nowhere today. I'll try again tomorrow. Until next time, take care, and keep your fractals dry. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Tessellation { ; time=0:27:37.94 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.88092865427356670/+0.45111991659496370\ /1.784373e+008/1/-102.5 params=1/0.6/2.4/-1.9/0/-92 float=y maxiter=6400 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=505 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000x9zt8xr6tq4rn2ol1lk0ig0gf0dd0aa0Y<3>T0NR0L\ V2GWLBYb8_n2Wt1az0Ii0Tv0Pq0Kl0Gd0<2>2L00F00800910980\ BF1BL2DR4DY6Fd6Fk9GgBIdDIbFK_GLWILVKNRLNQNPN<2>RRFTR\ DVT9WV6YV4_W1aW0bY0d_0f_0ga0nb0<3>WW0RV0NT0KR0FQ09P0\ 0Q06P0BN0GL0LL0QK0VI0aG2fG4kF8oD9tBDz89yBFyDIxFNxGQv\ IVvKYtLbxPg<3>kIagG_fG_<2>WBVT9TRLTP8R<2>F2N0VRD2NPD\ I_LDkV8vd2zo0zl0zi2rf4lb8d_BYWDRTGKQKDNL4KP0GR09V0FT\ 0IT2NT9QTFVTLYRQbRWfRbiRgnRnqQrvQyyQzzQzzQzzRzzQzzQz\ zQzxQztQzoQzlQzgQzdQz_QzVQzRQzNQyKQyFQzBQz6Qz0Lz2QvF\ VkQdVbz2ar4ao6a_8_Y9_YD_WF_VGYTIYRKYRLYQPWPQWNRWN<2>\ WVIaVGdVGgTFqTDzTBzTBzWDzYFzaGzbIkfIbgKVkLLlNKoPGqPD\ rQBvR8xT4zV2zV0zW0zY0z_0za0za0zb0zb0zd0zd0zf0zf0zY0z\ f0zn2zv4zz8zz9zzBzzFzzGzz<2>NzzPzzQzzRzzVzzWzzYzz_zz\ _zy_zx<2>_zq_zo_zn_zl_zi_zg_zf<6>_zRzzzzzzyzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:03:26 +0100 At 23:43 15/03/00 -0600, you wrote: >Mike Traynor wrote: >> >> The version of Partobat at Spanky did >> not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site >> has two more recent versions at: >> >> http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm >> >> and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. >> >> "Paul N. Lee" wrote: >> > >> > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. >> > >> > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ >> > > >These are the versions that are available at Spanky's from the URL I >gave above: > > PARTOB.DOC, 1 Kb, > PARTOB.ZIP, 18 Kb, > PARTOB34.ZIP, 18 Kb, > PARTOB35.ZIP, 18 Kb, > >Don't remember where I got mine, but I know that the copies on my >various PCs were acquired quite some time ago (in the previous >millenium). > > >P.N.L. Hi fractinters, Many thanks to everybody for the info's about partobat! i'm running now the version 3.5, my old 3.1 is out of order.. cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:03:26 +0100 At 23:43 15/03/00 -0600, you wrote: >Mike Traynor wrote: >> >> The version of Partobat at Spanky did >> not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site >> has two more recent versions at: >> >> http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm >> >> and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. >> >> "Paul N. Lee" wrote: >> > >> > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. >> > >> > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ >> > > >These are the versions that are available at Spanky's from the URL I >gave above: > > PARTOB.DOC, 1 Kb, > PARTOB.ZIP, 18 Kb, > PARTOB34.ZIP, 18 Kb, > PARTOB35.ZIP, 18 Kb, > >Don't remember where I got mine, but I know that the copies on my >various PCs were acquired quite some time ago (in the previous >millenium). > > >P.N.L. Hi fractinters, Many thanks to everybody for the info's about partobat! i'm running now the version 3.5, my old 3.1 is out of order.. cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD, 17-03-00 (Tessellation [5]) (c) Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:31:14 -1000 On 17 Mar 00 at 0:11, Jim Muth wrote: > A tessellation is a pattern of small square blocks, > such as might be seen covering a tile floor. The > blocks in today's fractal are not exactly square, but > they do remind me of a tessellated tile floor. I > therefore named the picture "Tessellation". That is such a neat image. Thanks, Jim! David Random quote for this nanosecond: Bullshit, n.: Native tongue of politicians and lawyers. (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" Subject: (fractint) Fractal art FAQ Date: 17 Mar 2000 11:00:45 +0100 Hi all, The draft for a future fractal art FAQ can be found at http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/f-art-faq/ The first page is self-explaining (read it carefully) but I wish to emphasize two or three points. First the obvious place to discuss about its final version is the fractal art discussion list and, for some specialized topics, the fractint list or the ultra fractal one. In all the cases I ask you to cross-post to f-art.faq@hse.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr to help me in the task of archiving your contributions which are hoped to be numerous (please, use also this address for private discussions about this project). This will be done in an automatic way if you click on any of the mailto links which are in the first page of the FAQ. You will see that the section relative to technical questions about the most used programs is empty. Many of you are more experienced than me to contribute to this part. And I hope sincerely that you will not agree with all the questions/answers that I offer to your criticism. You are all welcome to contribute. It is not _my_ FAQ, it is only my draft for a future FAQ. Thank you in advance. J.P. Louvet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tracing l-systems - clarification Date: 17 Mar 2000 14:21:28 GET >Yes, it would. But a true fractal doesn't keep the same amount >of detail at all sizes. It gets more detail as it gets bigger. >The only way to implement this is by recalculating it with an >l-system program such as Fractint. > >Sincerely, > Collin Merenoff > Look, sorry, but I'm NOT talking about increasing detail as I enlarge. Only about enlarging without diagonal lines going jagged. I have my reasons for this, strange as it may sound. (E.g. a font based on a fractal such as an L-system - see it at any size, in the same L-system order, and it looks the same.) I hope this is clear... Tony Hanmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD, 17-03-00 (Tessellation [5]) (c) Date: 17 Mar 2000 11:25:07 -0600 --------------3BE0EFAE934CD099D6854EDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Muth wrote: > FOTD -- March 17, 2000 (Rating 5) > > Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: > > A tessellation is a pattern of small square blocks, such as > might be seen covering a tile floor. The blocks in today's > fractal are not exactly square, but they do remind me of a > tessellated tile floor. I therefore named the picture > "Tessellation". > Dear Jim- Don't mean to be a jerk, but a tesselation is is a pattern of "tiles" - each of which is not necessarily square - which needn't necessarily be rectangular (think of a Mondrian painting of which the "kitchen floor" example, in which all the tiles are square, is a trivial example). By far the most interesting mathematical (and aesthetic) examples were discovered in the 70's and 80's when (I think) Pickover discovered and proved that the infinite plane or any 2-D manifold (the mathematicians in the audience will start murdering me now) can be completely covered by "tiles" of a particular shape he called "kites" and "darts", for obvious reasons. Escher is another artist who figured out a variety of ways to completely fill a rectangular or square plane with oddly-shaped, visually-pleasing "tiles" Subsequently, I believe, extensions of the same theorem have been produced which basically allow you to completely cover any arbitrary surface with only 2 differently- shaped tiles, of which the original kites and darts are but one example. The practical applications of being able to know that your tiling of a certain 2-D or 3-D surface is a) possible, b) unique, and c) efficient is useful in chip design (a la Mondrian), biologists examining monolayer growth of normal vs cancer cells, anyone interested in epitaxial deposition of silicon, diamond, copper, or carbon (either elemental or as buckeyball or buckeytubes)., etc, etc. Well, I'd better quit before I dig too deep a hole for myself. Thanks for brightening all my days with your FTOD's and accompanying commentary. I thought "Tessellation" was particularly appealing. Wouldn't it be interesting to have one of our topologist-contributors use Fractint to graphically prove some of the outstanding issues in the tiling business?? Thanks again. Hope I'm not too far off-base in submitting these gratuitous comments. > > The formula that created the picture is (Z^0.6)+2.4(Z^(-1.9))+C. > The value of -92 assigned to imag(p3) sets the bailout radius to > 8. Changing this parameter changes the size of the individual > tiles making up the image. Changing any of the other five > parameters creates a totally new image. > > At 27 minutes, the parameter file is a slow one to render. All > but the most patient will want to go to the Usenet group: > > > > or to Paul Lee's web site at: > > > > and download the already rendered image from there. > > As for the fractal weather, it was questionable today. Most of > the day was cloudy and mild with a temperature of 68F (20C) -- > conditions that the cats found enjoyable. But in the late > afternoon a steady rain began, which is still continuing. > > Due to too much other work, my philosophical efforts went > nowhere today. I'll try again tomorrow. Until next time, take > care, and keep your fractals dry. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > Tessellation { ; time=0:27:37.94 SF5 on a P200 > ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 > reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm > formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 > center-mag=-0.88092865427356670/+0.45111991659496370\ > /1.784373e+008/1/-102.5 params=1/0.6/2.4/-1.9/0/-92 > float=y maxiter=6400 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=505 > symmetry=none periodicity=10 > colors=000x9zt8xr6tq4rn2ol1lk0ig0gf0dd0aa0Y<3>T0NR0L\ > V2GWLBYb8_n2Wt1az0Ii0Tv0Pq0Kl0Gd0<2>2L00F00800910980\ > BF1BL2DR4DY6Fd6Fk9GgBIdDIbFK_GLWILVKNRLNQNPN<2>RRFTR\ > DVT9WV6YV4_W1aW0bY0d_0f_0ga0nb0<3>WW0RV0NT0KR0FQ09P0\ > 0Q06P0BN0GL0LL0QK0VI0aG2fG4kF8oD9tBDz89yBFyDIxFNxGQv\ > IVvKYtLbxPg<3>kIagG_fG_<2>WBVT9TRLTP8R<2>F2N0VRD2NPD\ > I_LDkV8vd2zo0zl0zi2rf4lb8d_BYWDRTGKQKDNL4KP0GR09V0FT\ > 0IT2NT9QTFVTLYRQbRWfRbiRgnRnqQrvQyyQzzQzzQzzRzzQzzQz\ > zQzxQztQzoQzlQzgQzdQz_QzVQzRQzNQyKQyFQzBQz6Qz0Lz2QvF\ > VkQdVbz2ar4ao6a_8_Y9_YD_WF_VGYTIYRKYRLYQPWPQWNRWN<2>\ > WVIaVGdVGgTFqTDzTBzTBzWDzYFzaGzbIkfIbgKVkLLlNKoPGqPD\ > rQBvR8xT4zV2zV0zW0zY0z_0za0za0zb0zb0zd0zd0zf0zf0zY0z\ > f0zn2zv4zz8zz9zzBzzFzzGzz<2>NzzPzzQzzRzzVzzWzzYzz_zz\ > _zy_zx<2>_zq_zo_zn_zl_zi_zg_zf<6>_zRzzzzzzyzz > } > > frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth > a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), > g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, > k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): > z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, > |z| < l > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------3BE0EFAE934CD099D6854EDC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Jim Muth wrote:

FOTD -- March 17, 2000  (Rating 5)

Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries:

A tessellation is a pattern of small square blocks, such as
might be seen covering a tile floor.  The blocks in today's
fractal are not exactly square, but they do remind me of a
tessellated tile floor.  I therefore named the picture
"Tessellation".
 

Dear Jim-

Don't mean to be a jerk, but a tesselation is is a pattern of "tiles" - each of which is not necessarily square - which needn't necessarily be rectangular (think of a Mondrian painting of which the "kitchen floor" example, in which all the tiles are square, is a trivial example).
By far the most interesting mathematical (and aesthetic) examples were discovered in the 70's and 80's when (I think) Pickover discovered and proved that the infinite plane or any 2-D manifold (the mathematicians in the audience will start murdering me now) can be completely covered by "tiles" of a particular shape he called "kites" and "darts", for obvious reasons. Escher is another artist who figured out a variety of ways to completely fill a rectangular or square plane with oddly-shaped, visually-pleasing "tiles"
Subsequently, I believe, extensions of the same theorem have been produced which basically allow you to completely cover any arbitrary surface with only 2 differently- shaped tiles, of which the original kites and darts are but one example.
The practical applications of being able to know that your tiling of a certain 2-D or 3-D surface is a) possible, b) unique, and c) efficient is useful in chip design (a la Mondrian), biologists examining monolayer growth of  normal vs cancer cells, anyone interested in epitaxial deposition of silicon, diamond, copper, or carbon (either elemental or as buckeyball or buckeytubes)., etc, etc.
Well, I'd better quit before I dig too deep a hole for myself. Thanks for brightening all my days with your FTOD's and accompanying commentary. I thought "Tessellation" was particularly appealing.
Wouldn't it be interesting to have one of our topologist-contributors  use Fractint to graphically prove some of the outstanding issues in the tiling business??

Thanks again. Hope I'm not too far off-base in submitting these gratuitous comments.

 
The formula that created the picture is (Z^0.6)+2.4(Z^(-1.9))+C.
The value of -92 assigned to imag(p3) sets the bailout radius to
8.  Changing this parameter changes the size of the individual
tiles making up the image.  Changing any of the other five
parameters creates a totally new image.

At 27 minutes, the parameter file is a slow one to render.  All
but the most patient will want to go to the Usenet group:

          <alt.binaries.pictures.fractals>

or to Paul Lee's web site at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and download the already rendered image from there.

As for the fractal weather, it was questionable today.  Most of
the day was cloudy and mild with a temperature of 68F (20C) --
conditions that the cats found enjoyable.  But in the late
afternoon a steady rain began, which is still continuing.

Due to too much other work, my philosophical efforts went
nowhere today.  I'll try again tomorrow.  Until next time, take
care, and keep your fractals dry.

Jim Muth
jamth@mindspring.com

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  center-mag=-0.88092865427356670/+0.45111991659496370\
  /1.784373e+008/1/-102.5 params=1/0.6/2.4/-1.9/0/-92
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frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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--------------3BE0EFAE934CD099D6854EDC-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD, 17-03-00 (Tessellation) Date: 17 Mar 2000 15:16:54 -0500 (EST) At 11:25 AM 3/17/00 -0600, DeBow Freed II wrote: >Don't mean to be a jerk, but a tesselation is is a pattern of "tiles" - >each of which is not necessarily square - which needn't necessarily be >rectangular ... You are technically correct. Being unable to think of a definition, I turned to an old (circa 1945) dictionary and found the definition there. In that dictionary, the requirement that the tiles be square is unambiguous. But since then it has been accepted that any shape or shapes that tile the plane or fill space can be called a tessellation. BTW, IMO, Escher was the greatest mathematical artist of all time. I wonder what he would have done if he had seen the age of fractals. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) REQ: Fractal Census 2000 Date: 17 Mar 2000 23:29:03 -0600 Greetings Fractal Community, If you would be so kind, I would like to impose upon everyone to take a moment and please supply some information: 1. The number of individuals in your household that create fractals. 2. The number and names of fractal generating programs used by each of these individuals. 3. Which fractal program is considered as the best or most used by each of these individuals. Replys are requested to be sent to the following email address: MAILTO:ABPF_Bot@hotmail.com The results will be made available upon completion of the census. Thank you for your support and co-operation. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 18-03-00 (West of Arcturus [5]) (c) Date: 18 Mar 2000 01:57:42 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 18, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Looking from the Fractal Central window this evening, I saw the 0-magnitude star Arcturus rising in the east. Turning and looking at the monitor screen, I saw a stellar scene, with the stars arranged in galaxy arms resembling Mandelbrot buds. Right then and there I named the picture "West of Arcturus: The image is another of those ghost pictures that consist entirely of inside fill. In this case the fill is bof60. The formula behind the scene is 0.476*(Z)+1.302*(1/Z)+C, a combination that promises nothing but delivers much. The picture is quite different from my current series of fancy midgets, though many midgets lie hidden in the scene. The standard equal-iteration bands have been replaced by swirling clouds of multi-colored bits of fractal stuff, arranged into a subtle but quite recognizable series of Mandelbrot buds. The image, being one of a starry night sky, is quite low-key, best viewed in subdued light. A bright light in the room totally obliterates the delicate deep blue glow of the background sky. The parameter file is another slow one, requiring almost 3/4 hour to render on a modest Pentium 200mhz. A faster machine will finish in less time, but still not fast enough to nullify the advantage of downloading the pre-rendered JPEG image from: or from: The fractal weather today turned unexpectedly cold, with an afternoon temperature of 37F (3C) that kept the fractal cats stretched by their radiator. Just as the weather kept the cats subdued, so did the rush keep my philosophical aspirations subdued. But I have certainly not forgotten the things I have to tell about fractals and reality. Tomorrow may be the day I tell all; more likely it will not. In any event, check then to see what happens. You wouldn't want to miss your enlightenment. :-) Until next time, take care, and be enlightened, not frightened. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ West_of_Arcturus { ; time=0:37:21.18 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-1.07417/0.131702/641.7884/1/-17.499 params=0.476/1/1.302/-1/0/0 float=y maxiter=8000 inside=bof60 logmap=yes symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=000A8G<25>A8G<4>A8GGFg<3>HGfB8GHGfA8GHGfA8GJI\ eJIeKJeA8GLzzA8GMLdA8GNMdA8GONcA8GPOcA8GQPbA8GRQbA8G\ SRbA8GTSazzzUTa<3>WV`zz`XW`<8>a`Za`ZbaY<2>cbYdcYfbZ<\ 17>XhRXhQWhQ<2>ViOUiOVjN<3>WkMXkLXkL<2>ZlJ<2>kmI<2>j\ nHmnGmoGmoFmoz<3>mpzmqzmqzmqzmrz<3>mqzmqC<2>JpC<5>Lo\ CLoCMoC<3>NnCznC<3>zmCzmCzmz<3>zlzzlzzlz<2>zkzUzz<8>\ XzzXzzYzz<3>Zzz_hD<7>bfDbfDbfDcfDcfD<10>leNmeOneP<3>\ qeT<3>iMJgHHeCFb6C<26>hLP } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eleanor Adika" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal art FAQ Date: 17 Mar 2000 23:02:05 PST Hi Only the suggested tipics were available - and the title - table of contents. Is there more? Eleanor >From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: "Fractint list" >Subject: (fractint) Fractal art FAQ >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:00:45 +0100 > >Hi all, > >The draft for a future fractal art FAQ can be found at >http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/f-art-faq/ >The first page is self-explaining (read it carefully) but I wish to >emphasize two or three points. >First the obvious place to discuss about its final version is the fractal >art discussion list and, for some specialized topics, the fractint list or >the ultra fractal one. >In all the cases I ask you to cross-post to >f-art.faq@hse.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr >to help me in the task of archiving your contributions which are hoped to >be >numerous (please, use also this address for private discussions about this >project). >This will be done in an automatic way if you click on any of the mailto >links which are in the first page of the FAQ. >You will see that the section relative to technical questions about the >most >used programs is empty. Many of you are more experienced than me to >contribute to this part. >And I hope sincerely that you will not agree with all the questions/answers >that I offer to your criticism. >You are all welcome to contribute. It is not _my_ FAQ, it is only my draft >for a future FAQ. >Thank you in advance. > >J.P. Louvet > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Wray Subject: (fractint) Hi there, off topic, sort of... number theory anyone? Date: 18 Mar 2000 22:37:10 +1300 Hi, I was wondering if anyone on this list is particularly knowledgeable about number theory. I have a small problem that I'd like to get an opinion on. Cheers! (Just reply to me not the list to save this going waaaaay off topic!) ---------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. (If you want my PGP public key send me an email with "get public key" as the subject.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal art FAQ Date: 18 Mar 2000 11:10:55 +0100 J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)05-56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux 1 | 33405 Talence CEDEX France | email : louvet@hse.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/fractals/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:02 AM > Hi > > Only the suggested tipics were available - and the title - table of > contents. Is there more? > Yes, click on TABLE OF CONTENTS at the bottom of the page! J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)05-56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux 1 | 33405 Talence CEDEX France | email : louvet@hse.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/fractals/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal art FAQ Date: 18 Mar 2000 11:41:04 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:02 AM > Hi > > Only the suggested tipics were available - and the title - table of > contents. Is there more? There is some garbage in my previous reply. I send it again: Yes, click on TABLE OF CONTENTS at the bottom of the page and, in the table of content, on any topic listed. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) ABPF_Bot@hotmail.com Date: 18 Mar 2000 09:35:54 -0500 1. The number of individuals in your household = that create fractals. 1 2. The number and names of fractal generating = programs used by each of these individuals. Fractint = 3. Which fractal program is considered as the = best or most used by each of these individuals. Fractint best for fractal exploration Ultra Fractal best for artistic expression Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Judy Subject: Re: (fractint) REQ: Fractal Census 2000 Date: 18 Mar 2000 08:33:10 -0800 > 1. The number of individuals in your household > that create fractals. one > 2. The number and names of fractal generating > programs used by each of these individuals. one Fractint > 3. Which fractal program is considered as the > best or most used by each of these individuals. Fractint Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) ABPF_Bot@hotmail.com Date: 18 Mar 2000 13:53:15 -0500 Sorry to post the previous message to this list. I accidently put the reply address in the "subject" instead of the "to" field. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 questionnaire Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:09:30 -0600 "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > Greetings Fractal Community, > > If you would be so kind, I would like to impose upon everyone to take a > moment and please supply some information: > > 1. The number of individuals in your household > that create fractals. > > 2. The number and names of fractal generating > programs used by each of these individuals. > > 3. Which fractal program is considered as the > best or most used by each of these individuals. > Just today I received the following official U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 questionnaire in the mail. Unfortunately, I received the long form, which is some 116 pages with 2,104 questions. Here are some of those questions: How many rooms inside your house or apartment, and in how many do you create fractal art? How much of your reported income to the IRS last year did you spend on fractal programs? How much have you spent the last five years? How much of your annual income is derived from selling fractal art? Have you reported that income to the IRS? Do you want us to report it to them for you? Do you design fractal art in the a.m. or p.m.? How many hours do you spend on that activity? How many yards or feet do you have to walk inside your house or apartment to get to your fractal art designing station? Do you receive a shoe allowance to walk that distance? If so, how much do you receive? Name those who assist you in designing fractal art. Do they share or rent the apartment or house facilities with you? Do any of them hold green cards? If they don't have green cards, are they supposed to have them? Are any of them of Japanese descent? If so, give us their names so we can report them to the Defense Department and send them on the next train to internment camps. Do you use a PC, Macintosh, or UNIX computer to design fractal art? How much did you spend to purchase the computer, monitor and fractal software? How much money have you spent in the past five years on equipment for fractal art? Was the money spent on your fractal art hobby supposed to go toward buying food and clothing for your children? Have you been neglecting your children while you've been designing fractal artwork? Where did you live five years ago? Were you designing fractal artwork at that time? How much money do you spend annually on electricity to power your computer and monitor for the sake of your fractal art hobby? Are you or any person assisting you in designing your fractal art work suffering any disabilities? If so, name the disabilities. Do you or those assisting you have problems in learning your fractal programs, remembering tutorial instructions, or concentrating during your fractal art creative process? Were you or any members of your household designing fractal artwork when they should have been serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces, military Reserves, or National Guard? If so, are they considered AWOL? How much schooling did you receive before you took up fractal art? What is your marital status? If divorced or separated, was this caused by the amount of time you spent on your fractal art hobby? Do you create fractal artwork at your place of employment? Is your place of employment a business or an industry? How many hours are you employed daily? How much of that time is spent on designing fractal artwork? Did this lead to a promotion or a demotion for you? ------------- We, the U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 board, promise to respect your privacy and not share the information you provided with any militia groups or religious cults. The U.S. Government? Now that's another matter. Remember, Big Benoit is watching you. ------------- Regards, Bob Margolis Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 Date: 18 Mar 2000 15:22:03 -0500 Good one! LOL At 02:09 PM 03/18/2000 -0600, you wrote: >"Paul N. Lee" wrote: >> >> Greetings Fractal Community, >> >> If you would be so kind, I would like to impose upon everyone to take a >> moment and please supply some information: >> >> 1. The number of individuals in your household >> that create fractals. Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! __________________________________________ Boomerangs http://fly.to/boomerangs Internet Index http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Bissell Subject: Re: (fractint) U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 questionnaire Date: 18 Mar 2000 17:12:36 -0500 Hi Bob LOL !!! H^) harry (a mostly lurker...) Bob Margolis wrote: > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > > Greetings Fractal Community, > > > > If you would be so kind, I would like to impose upon everyone to take a > > moment and please supply some information: > > > > 1. The number of individuals in your household > > that create fractals. > > > > 2. The number and names of fractal generating > > programs used by each of these individuals. > > > > 3. Which fractal program is considered as the > > best or most used by each of these individuals. > > > > Just today I received the following official U.S. Government Fractal Census > 2000 questionnaire in the mail. Unfortunately, I received the long form, which > is some 116 pages with 2,104 questions. Here are some of those questions: > > How many rooms inside your house or apartment, and in how many do you create > fractal art? > > How much of your reported income to the IRS last year did you spend on fractal > programs? How much have you spent the last five years? > > How much of your annual income is derived from selling fractal art? Have you > reported that income to the IRS? Do you want us to report it to them for you? > > Do you design fractal art in the a.m. or p.m.? How many hours do you spend on > that activity? > > How many yards or feet do you have to walk inside your house or apartment to > get to your fractal art designing station? Do you receive a shoe allowance to > walk that distance? If so, how much do you receive? > > Name those who assist you in designing fractal art. Do they share or rent the > apartment or house facilities with you? Do any of them hold green cards? If > they don't have green cards, are they supposed to have them? Are any of them of > Japanese descent? If so, give us their names so we can report them to the > Defense Department and send them on the next train to internment camps. > > Do you use a PC, Macintosh, or UNIX computer to design fractal art? How much > did you spend to purchase the computer, monitor and fractal software? > > How much money have you spent in the past five years on equipment for fractal > art? Was the money spent on your fractal art hobby supposed to go toward buying > food and clothing for your children? Have you been neglecting your children > while you've been designing fractal artwork? > > Where did you live five years ago? Were you designing fractal artwork at that > time? > > How much money do you spend annually on electricity to power your computer and > monitor for the sake of your fractal art hobby? > > Are you or any person assisting you in designing your fractal art work > suffering any disabilities? If so, name the disabilities. > > Do you or those assisting you have problems in learning your fractal programs, > remembering tutorial instructions, or concentrating during your fractal art > creative process? > > Were you or any members of your household designing fractal artwork when they > should have been serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces, military > Reserves, or National Guard? If so, are they considered AWOL? > > How much schooling did you receive before you took up fractal art? > > What is your marital status? If divorced or separated, was this caused by the > amount of time you spent on your fractal art hobby? > > Do you create fractal artwork at your place of employment? Is your place of > employment a business or an industry? How many hours are you employed daily? > How much of that time is spent on designing fractal artwork? Did this lead to a > promotion or a demotion for you? > > ------------- > > We, the U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 board, promise to respect your > privacy and not share the information you provided with any militia groups or > religious cults. The U.S. Government? Now that's another matter. Remember, Big > Benoit is watching you. > > ------------- > > Regards, > > Bob Margolis > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) REQ: Fractal Census 2000 Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:28:27 -0500 At 11:29 PM 3/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Greetings Fractal Community, > >If you would be so kind, I would like to impose upon everyone to take a >moment and please supply some information: > > 1. The number of individuals in your household > that create fractals. 1 > 2. The number and names of fractal generating > programs used by each of these individuals. Fractint UltraFractal FractalZPlot Iterations > 3. Which fractal program is considered as the > best or most used by each of these individuals. Due to extremely limited time which disallows competent familiarity with each, best seems to be UltraFractal. Most used is Fractint. Still trying to find time for FractalZplot >Replys are requested to be sent to the following email address: > MAILTO:ABPF_Bot@hotmail.com > >The results will be made available upon completion of the census. > >Thank you for your support and co-operation. > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RParracho@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal Census Date: 18 Mar 2000 21:17:08 EST 1. The number of individuals in your household that create fractals. 2 2. The number and names of fractal generating programs used by each of these individuals. fractint UF FractalZPlot 3. Which fractal program is considered as the best or most used by each of these individuals. fractint 1) is used almost exclusively by me for fractal exploring 2) dos is dead dad! UF 1) mostly for coloring and "artsy stuff" 2) to complicated and you gotta be a math geek to us it FractalZplot 1) haven't used it.... just " dad come see this". 2) exclusively used by daughter "it's easy and natural to use and gives me good results all the time" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 19-03-00 (Thunderbolts of Thor [4]) (c) Date: 19 Mar 2000 01:02:32 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 19, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: If today's fractal doesn't rate an 8, may Thor send down his thunderbolts. Well, today's fractal rates only a somewhat-below-average 4, and the thunderbolts have already started falling. The picture is named "Thunderbolts of Thor" in honor of that Norse god of thunder. The whimsical formula behind the image is sqrt(Z)-sqr(Z)+C, another of those expressions that promises little but delivers much. The scene consists of the obligatory midget surrounded by a very convincing display of yellow lightning bolts against a blue background, radiating outward from the midget in jagged spokes. The parameter file takes around three minutes to render -- not too bad for most fractalists. And the fully rendered image is available in JPEG format for download on Usenet at: and on the Web at: The fractal weather today was sunny but quite chilly, with a temperature of 36F (2C), which kept the cats firmly indoors. However, it was a fine day to get some of the fractal central yard work out of the way, and I worked most of the afternoon clearing an unsightly tangle of vines from the side of the garage. Unfortunately, this left little time for writing the fractosophy I pondered while pulling on the vines. I may get my thoughts posted tomorrow; I may not. Regardless, I'll return then with the next FOTD and a few words about something. Until tomorrow, take care, and the philosophy is building. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ ThunderboltsOfThor { ; time=0:02:54.11 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+3.05899802453143400/-0.14535138357059070\ /1.249535e+012/0.9999/172.501/-0.01 params=1/1.4142/-1/2/0/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 logmap=54 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=00080L60P55R<3>1Hi<5>OZZSaXWdV<2>fmPjoNprLwuJ\ zxHzxGwxF<3>ioF_mFWkFSiF<2>WhJXhKYjL<3>aoPbqQcrRdsSe\ vUfuVgwW<3>kx_ly`mya<2>pzd<3>`jkXflTbnQ_o<3>9pX5tS1x\ O<2>2lPKhP<3>cTQhPQmLQ<3>m6Q<3>m8Km8Jm9I<3>mADpAC<3>\ MUeEZm7bt<3>DWxFVyGTz<4>NMzOKzQJz<3>VDz5lz<3>4Yz4Uz4\ Rz<2>4Gz<2>tEz<13>bhzakz_mzZozYqz<2>Tvz<17>owzpwzqwz\ <3>vwz<15>VwzTwzRwz<3>Lwz<7>Zwz_wzawz<3>gwzmwzswz<2>\ ywz<9>UwzQwzNwz<3>Bwz<4>Gwz<3>JwzDwz7wz<3>8wz8wz8wz<\ 2>9wzCwz<2>9wz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 20-03-00 (Thunderbolts of Thor [7]) (c) Date: 19 Mar 2000 23:56:42 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 20, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: It's been a rather exciting day here at Fractal Central, with a hostage standoff situation in progress only 2 miles (3km) away. But that has had no effect on the fractals, which once again appeared almost by magic, as though nothing had happened. And today's fractal, at least in my opinion, earns an above average rating of 7. To create today's image, I entered some of my more bizarre parameters into the M-Mix4 formula, finally finding the interes- ting fractal that results when 1/Z is added to 666*Z^666 before adding C. I chose the number 666 because that number is consi- dered apocalyptic in some circles, and I enjoy defying danger. Today's FOTD is another of those unlikely images, since one would suppose that 666 parts of Z^666 would simply obliterate one measly part of 1/Z, resulting in a boring open circle with 665 tiny identical bays. In the world of fractals however, things are seldom as one would suppose, and instead of the boring circle, the expression fills the screen with an interes- ting fractal. I named the picture "Midget Inferno" after deciding on the dark red and black color scheme for the scene, which gives the impression of lurid flashes of red breaking through billowing clouds of black smoke. The parameter file takes 4 minutes to render. The JPEG image has been posted as always to the Usenet binary newsgroup: and to the web at: The fractal weather today was raw. Heavy clouds off the ocean, and a chilly wind of 42 degrees F (5.5 degrees C) made condi- tions too unpleasant for the cats to venture out of doors. They passed the day instead in frustrated comfort, stretched in front of their favorite radiator. As for the philosophy of the day -- it's still inside me, where there are lots of thoughts that I haven't had a chance to compose. But in a day of two I'll have the ideas hatched and ready to propose on the philofractal list. So keep tuned to that list. You wouldn't want to miss the enlightenment, not would you want to miss your chance to correct a mistaken wannabe philosopher. Until tomorrow, take care, and save the best fractal until last. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Midget_Inferno { ; time=0:04:00.30 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.18405946781424860/+0.12052312284457740\ /8.7115e+008/1/-117.499 params=1/-1/666/666/0/0 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=0 logmap=77 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000825<3>H47J47L57O58<11>dABeABfAC<3>lDDmEDnG\ FoIE<3>nPDnQDmRD<3>lVBlWBkXBkYBkZA<3>mb9nc9sc2wc5uc7\ rd9<3>ngJmhLliNkhQ<6>diPciPbiO<3>ZiO`iOaiObkS<3>bhKb\ gIbfGbfEbeCbdA`e8<20>u_8v_8w_8xZ8yZ8<3>zY8zY8zY8zY8<\ 7>zfOzgQzhS<2>zkYzm`zl_<23>lYDkXCjXB<2>iV8hU7jT6kR4<\ 16>RgPQhQPiR<3>KmWEpY<17>ZgX`fXafX<3>edXicXkeXifXheX\ fdXecUcbLg_D<8>OjQMkRJmT<2>DpXBqY7u_9vZ<3>HwXJwXLwW<\ 2>RwVZwJ<7>Jw7 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 20-03-00 (Midget Inferno [7]) (c) Date: 19 Mar 2000 23:58:55 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 20, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: It's been a rather exciting day here at Fractal Central, with a hostage standoff situation in progress only 2 miles (3km) away. But that has had no effect on the fractals, which once again appeared almost by magic, as though nothing had happened. And today's fractal, at least in my opinion, earns an above average rating of 7. To create today's image, I entered some of my more bizarre parameters into the M-Mix4 formula, finally finding the interes- ting fractal that results when 1/Z is added to 666*Z^666 before adding C. I chose the number 666 because that number is consi- dered apocalyptic in some circles, and I enjoy defying danger. Today's FOTD is another of those unlikely images, since one would suppose that 666 parts of Z^666 would simply obliterate one measly part of 1/Z, resulting in a boring open circle with 665 tiny identical bays. In the world of fractals however, things are seldom as one would suppose, and instead of the boring circle, the expression fills the screen with an interes- ting fractal. I named the picture "Midget Inferno" after deciding on the dark red and black color scheme for the scene, which gives the impression of lurid flashes of red breaking through billowing clouds of black smoke. The parameter file takes 4 minutes to render. The JPEG image has been posted as always to the Usenet binary newsgroup: and to the web at: The fractal weather today was raw. Heavy clouds off the ocean, and a chilly wind of 42 degrees F (5.5 degrees C) made condi- tions too unpleasant for the cats to venture out of doors. They passed the day instead in frustrated comfort, stretched in front of their favorite radiator. As for the philosophy of the day -- it's still inside me, where there are lots of thoughts that I haven't had a chance to compose. But in a day of two I'll have the ideas hatched and ready to propose on the philofractal list. So keep tuned to that list. You wouldn't want to miss the enlightenment, not would you want to miss your chance to correct a mistaken wannabe philosopher. Until tomorrow, take care, and save the best fractal until last. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Midget_Inferno { ; time=0:04:00.30 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.18405946781424860/+0.12052312284457740\ /8.7115e+008/1/-117.499 params=1/-1/666/666/0/0 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=0 logmap=77 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000825<3>H47J47L57O58<11>dABeABfAC<3>lDDmEDnG\ FoIE<3>nPDnQDmRD<3>lVBlWBkXBkYBkZA<3>mb9nc9sc2wc5uc7\ rd9<3>ngJmhLliNkhQ<6>diPciPbiO<3>ZiO`iOaiObkS<3>bhKb\ gIbfGbfEbeCbdA`e8<20>u_8v_8w_8xZ8yZ8<3>zY8zY8zY8zY8<\ 7>zfOzgQzhS<2>zkYzm`zl_<23>lYDkXCjXB<2>iV8hU7jT6kR4<\ 16>RgPQhQPiR<3>KmWEpY<17>ZgX`fXafX<3>edXicXkeXifXheX\ fdXecUcbLg_D<8>OjQMkRJmT<2>DpXBqY7u_9vZ<3>HwXJwXLwW<\ 2>RwVZwJ<7>Jw7 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) FractInt Extension Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:46:23 GMT There exists a feature that FractInt doesn't have that I would like it to have. Now, I could ask the developers nicely to add it... or I could just write it myself. I conjecture that the latter will be faster. (Those developers have more than enought work to do IMHO) What I want to do is add a new predefined variable to the formula parser (like WhiteSq, IsMandel, etc). How easy would it be to do this? More specifically, which source file do I look at? Oops, that's a thought... I don't have a C compiler... erm... hmmm... oh, wait a bit: I've got Linux (RedHat 6.1). That's got gcc. Okay... Ah... But I don't have the FractInt source code for Linux. *Is* take there is a Linux port out there... (I seem to recall that there was)... If so, what's it called, and where should I be looking? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fliguer, Miguel" Subject: RE: (fractint) U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 questionnaire Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:01:35 -0300 The U.S. Government asked : >>>How many rooms inside your house or apartment, and in how many do you create >>>fractal art? There are pi rooms, but I use only e of them to create fractals >>>How many yards or feet do you have to walk inside your house or apartment to >>>get to your fractal art designing station? It depends on how high I set maxiter. >>>What is your marital status? If divorced or separated, was this caused by the >>>amount of time you spent on your fractal art hobby? >>> [...] >>>How much of that time is spent on designing fractal artwork? Did this lead to a >>>promotion or a demotion for you? ;-))) !!! You have psychic abilities ! Bob, thanks for a good Monday morning laugh ! -------------- Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina Franktal Gallery - Shut Up and Draw Yer Fractals http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html Featured this week on FAME : http://www.crosswinds.net/~fractalis/ (Thanks Joseph !) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:05:46 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version > of Fractint, which causes the center coordinate data to be written > incorrectly to the parameter file. I can reproduce the problem, and and know where to look to fix it. Thanks! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sdboyd@mail.fastlane.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FractInt Extension Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:14:22 GMT > Ah... But I don't have the FractInt source code for Linux. *Is* take there > is a Linux port out there... (I seem to recall that there was)... If so, > what's it called, and where should I be looking? The source for Xfractint can be had at the Fractint Development Team Website at www.fractint.org. The file you want is at: ftp://ftp.fractint.org/xfractint.zip Scott Boyd sdboyd@fastlane.net http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/ This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Float-only version par-file broken Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:05:46 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > There is a serious bug in the just-released float-only version > of Fractint, which causes the center coordinate data to be written > incorrectly to the parameter file. I can reproduce the problem, and and know where to look to fix it. Thanks! Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) The n.nth dimension Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:25:38 GET Could anyone out there give some instruction on how to go about calculating fractal (= Hausdorf(f?)) dimension and area of L-systems in general, perhaps using a specific example like the Koch Curve? And, does this work (at least the dimension part) with L-systems made of non-continuous lines, e.g. made of intersecting lines? Thanks, Tony Hanmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) The n.nth dimension Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:25:38 GET Could anyone out there give some instruction on how to go about calculating fractal (= Hausdorf(f?)) dimension and area of L-systems in general, perhaps using a specific example like the Koch Curve? And, does this work (at least the dimension part) with L-systems made of non-continuous lines, e.g. made of intersecting lines? Thanks, Tony Hanmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) The n.nth dimension Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:25:38 GET Could anyone out there give some instruction on how to go about calculating fractal (= Hausdorf(f?)) dimension and area of L-systems in general, perhaps using a specific example like the Koch Curve? And, does this work (at least the dimension part) with L-systems made of non-continuous lines, e.g. made of intersecting lines? Thanks, Tony Hanmer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie-Luise Beyer" Subject: Re: (fractint) REQ: Fractal Census 2000 Date: 19 Mar 2000 23:16:26 +0100 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 6:29 AM =20 > 1. The number of individuals in your household=20 > that create fractals. one > 2. The number and names of fractal generating=20 > programs used by each of these individuals. fractint, Winfract a long time ago. > 3. Which fractal program is considered as the=20 > best or most used by each of these individuals. fractint Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) FAME exhibit Date: 20 Mar 2000 19:03:16 -0500 I would like to announce and invite you to visit my exhibit of eight hitherto unpublished images in two galleries at FAME -- Fractal Art Museum Enterprise. http://www.crosswinds.net/~fractalis/ Gedeon -- Fractals: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: January 5, 2000 Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: February 20, 2000 -- new floral slide show Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aero Subject: Re: (fractint) U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 questionnaire Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:33:40 +0000 Not sure if I have to answer this, since I'm under the watchful eye of the UK not the US Gov. >How many rooms inside your house or apartment, and in how many do you create >fractal art? > I have an infinite number of rooms. I use an imaginary number of them to create fractal art. >How much of your reported income to the IRS last year did you spend on fractal >programs? How much have you spent the last five years? > 'reported income'? What's that? I've spent five years of the last five years on fractal programs. >How much of your annual income is derived from selling fractal art? Have you >reported that income to the IRS? Do you want us to report it to them for you? > An integer fraction of my annual income is derived. I haven't reported this. Please do (and tell them to 'have a nice day'!). >Do you design fractal art in the a.m. or p.m.? How many hours do you spend on >that activity? > I spend sqr root -1 hours every morning and sometimes an additional x squared +c hours in the evening >How many yards or feet do you have to walk inside your house or apartment to >get to your fractal art designing station? Do you receive a shoe allowance to >walk that distance? If so, how much do you receive? > I don't have any yards inside my house (I have one out the front). I have two feet to walk inside my house (in fact I use my two feet to walk across the yard and up the street too!). I don't wear shoes. Can I get an allowance for baseball boots or Dr. Martens! >Name those who assist you in designing fractal art. Do they share or rent the >apartment or house facilities with you? Do any of them hold green cards? If >they don't have green cards, are they supposed to have them? Are any of them of >Japanese descent? If so, give us their names so we can report them to the >Defense Department and send them on the next train to internment camps. > I hereby name those who assist me... 'fractal design assistants'. Do your trains run on time? My Japanese colleagues are concerned about being late for their internment. (BTW is there an Atlantic rail-tunnel that no-one told us about? If it went anything like the Channel tunnel it must have been 200 years behind schedule and trillions of pounds over budget - and it leaks. No wonder they kept it secret!) >Do you use a PC, Macintosh, or UNIX computer to design fractal art? How much >did you spend to purchase the computer, monitor and fractal software? > No, as a tribute to M C Escher I make all my fractals (and my ray- traces) by hand. Initially this would save time as windows takes so long to boot up, until I realized that I need to use the Windows calculator for deep zooms. Tip - if you try this, put the calculator in scientific mode for even deeper zooms. I only use a macintosh when its raining. (Although I eat apples in all weathers) I spent 2 pounds and 99 pence on pencils and paper (hint - 2H grade is best for the intricate details close to 'lake' edges whilst softer B pencils work well on the larger areas). BTW - I'm not one to boast about my charitable nature but just so no-one thinks I'm tight, I didn't keep the penny change as the shop had a charity-box on the counter, so it actually cost me 3 whole pounds (but I did get a warm glow inside :) The calculator cost hundreds of pounds (see above). Does that count? (But I can move it around the screen and it rarely crashes :) Although, once it crashed on iteration number 1023, when I'd set my drawing hand to maxiter=1024 - boy, was that annoying! >How much money have you spent in the past five years on equipment for fractal >art? Was the money spent on your fractal art hobby supposed to go toward buying >food and clothing for your children? Have you been neglecting your children >while you've been designing fractal artwork? > I've spent 23 thousand pounds on 'equipment' (that's a lot of pencils and paper - did I mention that I draw very fast. Rolf Harris eat you heart out!). Food? Clothing? C'mon... d'you realize how many pencils I can buy for the price of a pair of pizzas, or a sock and trouser? Children? I would give up all my fractal endeavours tomorrow if it meant that my ex would let me even see my son. Unfortunately it wouldn't. :( >Where did you live five years ago? Were you designing fractal artwork at that >time? > Five years ago I lived millions of miles from here. Fortunately, my house, its contents (and the rest of our star system) moved with me. >How much money do you spend annually on electricity to power your computer and >monitor for the sake of your fractal art hobby? > Watt's electricity? >Are you or any person assisting you in designing your fractal art work >suffering any disabilities? If so, name the disabilities. > Yes. When I'm awake I can't fly without the aid of technology. >Do you or those assisting you have problems in learning your fractal programs, >remembering tutorial instructions, or concentrating during your fractal art >creative process? > Erm... Yes. What? No. Concentrations? Err... can you repeat the question? >Were you or any members of your household designing fractal artwork when they >should have been serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces, military >Reserves, or National Guard? If so, are they considered AWOL? > What is A Wol? Is there such a thing as A considered Wol? I would like to be a 'Considered Wol' if I may. Please? >How much schooling did you receive before you took up fractal art? > All of it. >What is your marital status? If divorced or separated, was this caused by the >amount of time you spent on your fractal art hobby? > Status is perfect (provided that I remember to clean up all the pencil shavings...) >Do you create fractal artwork at your place of employment? Is your place of >employment a business or an industry? How many hours are you employed daily? >How much of that time is spent on designing fractal artwork? Did this lead to a >promotion or a demotion for you? > No. Yes. Variable. Zero. No. >------------- > >We, the U.S. Government Fractal Census 2000 board, promise to respect your >privacy and not share the information you provided with any militia groups or >religious cults. The U.S. Government? Now that's another matter. Remember, Big >Benoit is watching you. > > Should I trust a promise made by your Gov. I ask this because IMHO if one was to calculate the percentage fraction of trust most Govs. deserve, one, I'm sure, would need to use arbitrary precision. >------------- > >Regards, > >Bob Margolis > Thanks Bob. BTW I have 210 of your fractals in my collection, so thanks again. Regards Aero :) inFINitE ART, Huddersfield,UK www.rherrero.demon.co.uk Phone: 00 44 (0) 1484 303737 Love & Respect, Richard Herrero _.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 21-03-00 (Encroaching Doom [7]) (c) Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:10:31 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 21, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal is a pleasant one -- a nice central midget surrounded by flower petals, or they could be butterfly wings. The only discord is the dark smoky areas on either side edge, lurking there like some omen of doom, ready to encroach on the hapless midget. When I imagined this overly sensational scenario, I named the picture "Encroaching Doom". The mathematical expression behind the scene is 10100(Z^100.5)+10.1(Z^0.1)+C, another ridiculous one that was calculated by the M-Mix4 formula. When I use this formula, which is most of the time, I generally enter parameters at random to see what kind of fractal they'll make. When I entered today's parameters, I expected nothing, and nothing is what appeared on the default screen. But the M-Mix4 formula is unusual in that the fractals often appear far from the origin. Luckily, I did an outzoom before abandoning the parameters, because when I did, I found the center of interest far to the left of the opening view. The color scheme was a lucky accident that happened a few seconds after I began cycling the 256 colors. I needed to touch up only a few registers before the picture was fit to be declared FOTD for March 21 and given a perhaps optimistic rating of 7. At a render time of 5 minutes, the parameter file is the slow way to view the picture. For those with better things to do with their time, the JPEG image may be found posted to: and to: The fractal weather today continued dull, dreary, damp and overcast, threatening rain all day but never delivering the goods until 9pm, when it began with a few ice pellets mixed in. The temperature of 46F (8C) earned the disapproval of the fractal cats, who promptly showed their displeasure by remaining indoors. Well, I guess it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it another day. Until next time, take care, and yes, fractals are art. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Encroaching_Doom { ; time=0:05:23.88 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-9.088203354797765/-0.00219457644305659/5\ .499789e+008/1/-162.5 params=100/100.5/0.1/0.1/100/0 float=y maxiter=1300 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=87 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000LAS<3>OAVPAWQAX<3>UD`VEaWFbXGcYHd<4>OKiMKj\ KLk<3>CNo<3>ZAB<3>aV6a_5be4<2>dt1dv0as4<3>TZHRUKOOOM\ JRKEU<12>C7nB6pB6q<3>94w<11>f8ti9tl9s<3>wAs<3>mlakuY\ gp`<3>T`iPXkLTn<2>AHt<8>4Sr3Tr2Ur<3>0Yr<10>WmgYnf`pe\ <3>kub<12>aji`ij_ij<2>YflYfl_ej<7>h`Yi`Wj_U<3>nYO<3>\ NbULcWMcXNcY<3>RcUTcTTcSUcS<2>XYVYWWZWX<2>aWZaW_bW`b\ WacWb<3>eWeeWffWg<2>gWjhWjhVm<2>kSslRumSwnTy<3>rUpsU\ ntUluUivUg<9>wUNwUKwUI<3>wUA<20>wUz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:43:40 -0600 Mike Traynor wrote: > > The version of Partobat at Spanky did > not run on my PIII. Jo Weber's site > has two more recent versions at: > > http://www.hajoweber.de/download/programs.htm > > and the latter of these ran fine on my machine under W98. > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > > Yes, it has worked fine on both releases of Windows-98. > > > > http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/ > > These are the versions that are available at Spanky's from the URL I gave above: PARTOB.DOC, 1 Kb, PARTOB.ZIP, 18 Kb, PARTOB34.ZIP, 18 Kb, PARTOB35.ZIP, 18 Kb, Don't remember where I got mine, but I know that the copies on my various PCs were acquired quite some time ago (in the previous millenium). P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Partobat Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:08:42 -0600 Is something going on with the Discussion List server ?? Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago. Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now and then for the past week or so. Paul N. 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Lee" > > ..........(body snipped)........... > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) More Ls... Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:00:29 GET Here are some more L-systems, which really are holding my attention these past few months as a relatively undeveloped area of the Fractiverse, it seems to me. This first set are variations on one particular curve - the best thing I've done yet, I think. This posting should be saved as hanmerc.l Tony Hanmer ADH107h2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Who says L-systems are boring?! Axiom f ; I like this one so much, I'll name it after myself: f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ ; the Hanmer Curve, version 1 } ADH107h2a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom f++f++f++f ; Odd orders have glide symmetry f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2a1col { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom c09f++c12f++c10f++c13f ; Odd orders have glide symmetry f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2a2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom fff++f++fff++f f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2bcol { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom c09f-c12f-c09f-c12f-c09f-c12f-c09f-c12f f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders are x-shaped, odd orders are square Axiom ff----ff++ff----ff++ff----ff++ff----ff f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH152 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; A relative of ADH107h2 Axiom ++f ; so we'll call it the Hanmer Curve, version 2 f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom f+f+f+f ; Odd orders have glide symmetry f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry Axiom f++f ; Odd orders are asymmetrical f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry Axiom ff--ff ; Odd orders are asymmetrical f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders are long, odd orders are square Axiom fff+f+fff+f f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders are x-shaped Axiom ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff ; Odd orders are square f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) More Ls: Cesaro Variations Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:04:52 GET Another set, all based to varying degrees on the Cesaro and Double Cesaro Curves. (Here also lurk all the strings with which I have produced 15 L-system alphabets recently.) Save this as Cesaros.l (Sorry, I just realised that some lines will be too long for the text box I'm writing in. The extra line-end marks, if there are any in your received version, should be removed and the lines restored to full length.) Tony Hanmer ADH155 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 45 ; Cesaro variation Axiom f f=f++++++++++f--------------------f++++++++++f } ADH155a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 45 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f+++++++++++f+++++++++++f+++++++++++f f=f++++++++++f--------------------f++++++++++f } ADH155b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f+++++++++f+++++++++f+++++++++f f=f++++++++f----------------f++++++++f } ADH155c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f---------f---------f---------f f=f++++++++f----------------f++++++++f } ADH155d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f+++++++++f------------------f+++++++++f------------------f+++++++++f------------------f+++++++++f------------------f f=f++++++++f----------------f++++++++f } ADH155dcol1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation, coloured Axiom c09f+++++++++c12f------------------c09f+++++++++c12f------------------c09f+++++++++c12f------------------c09f+++++++++c12f------------------c09f f=f++++++++f----------------f++++++++f } ADH155e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155e1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155e2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155e1a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155e3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d\86d/176d\90d } ADH155e4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d\45d/176d\131d } ADH155e5 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d\90@.5d\62d/178d\52d/178d\62d\90@2d } ADH155e5a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=dd\90d\62d/178d\52d/178d\62d\90dd } ADH155e5b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=ddd\90dd\62dd/178dd\52dd/178dd\62dd\90ddd } ADH155e5c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=dd\90d\82d/178d\47d/178d\47d\90dd } ADH155e5d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178dd\90dd } ADH155e5d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178dd\90dd } ADH155e5d3a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178dd\90d } ADH155e5d3b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178dd\90d } ADH155e5d3c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d/180d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178dd\90d } ADH155e5d4a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90dd } ADH155e5d4b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90dd } ADH155e5d4c1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90d } ADH155e5d4c2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90d } ADH155e5d4c3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90d } ADH155e5d4c4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom ddd/90dd/90ddd/90dd d=d\90d\88d/178d\88d/178d\90d } ADH155e5d5 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\90d\88d/178d\88d/178ddd } ADH155e6 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d\90@.5d\62d/178d\52d/178d\62d\90@2d } ADH155e7 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\72d\72d\72d\72d d=d\90@.5d\62d/178d\52d/178d\62d\90@2d } ADH155e8 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom \2d\176d/86d\176d/86d\176d/86d\176d d=d/88d\176d/88d } ADH155e8col1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation, coloured Axiom \2c09d\176d/86c12d\176d/86c09d\176d/86c12d\176d d=d/88d\176d/88d } ADH155e8col2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation, coloured Axiom \2c09d\176c12d/86c09d\176c12d/86c09d\176c12d/86c09d\176c12d d=d/88d\176d/88d } ADH155e9a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d/90d\176d\4d/90d } ADH155e9a2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d/90d\176d\4d/90d } ADH155e9a3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d/90d\176d\4d/90d } ADH155f1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d/90d/90d/90d d=d/90@.8d\180@1.25d/90d } ADH155f2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=d/90@.8d\180@1.25d/90d } ADH155g1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d\88d/176d\88d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155g2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=d\88d/176d\88d\88d/176d\88d } ADH155h1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\88d\88d/176dd/176d\88d\88dd } ADH155h2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\88d\88d/176dd/176d\88d\88dd } ADH155h3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d d=ddd\88dd\88dd/176dddd/176dd\88dd\88ddd } ADH155i1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\88d\88d/176d\88d/176d\88d/176d\88d\88dd } ADH155i2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\88d\88d/176d\88d/176d\88d/176d\88d\88dd } ADH155i3a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=ddd\88dd\88dd/176dd\88dd/176dd\88dd/176dd\88dd\88ddd } ADH155i3b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=ddd\88dd\88dd/176dd\88dd/176dd\88dd/176dd\88dd\88ddd } ADH155j { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d/88d\176dd/176d\88d } ADH155k1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d/88d\176dddd/176d\88d } ADH155k2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d/88d\176dddd/176d\88d } ADH155l1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d d=d/88d\176ddd/176d\88d } ADH155l2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=d/88d\176ddd/176d\88d } ADH157a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f f=f+++++++f--------------f+++++++f } ADH157b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f f=f+++++++ff--------------ff+++++++f } ADH157c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 36 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f++++++f f=ff+++++++f--------------ff+++++++f } ADH155m1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=dd\88d\88d/176d\88dd/176d\88d/176d\88dd\88dd } ADH155m2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=dd\88d\88d/176d\88dd/176d\88d/176d\88dd\88dd } ADH155n1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d d=ddd\88d\88d/176d\88dd/176d\88d/176d\88dd\88ddd } ADH155n2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Double Cesaro variation Axiom d\90d\90d\90d/180d/90d/90d/90d d=ddd\88d\88d/176d\88dd/176d\88d/176d\88dd\88ddd } ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) General Spring collection of Ls Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:06:58 GET Just a random set of L-systems from the last while of playing. Save these as hanmer4.l Tony Hanmer ADH59aa { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 6 Axiom x+x+x+x+x+x x=[@.48f+x+x+x+x] } ADH105aa { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f+f+f+f f=ffff+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff-ffff } ADH105ba { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f+f+f+f f=fff+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff-fff } ADH105c1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f+f+f+f f=+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff- } ADH104a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f f=+fff+ffff+ff+f+f-f-ff-ffff-fff } ADH104b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f+f+f+f f=+fff+ffff+ff+f+f-f-ff-ffff-fff } ADH104c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f-f-f-f f=+fff+ffff+ff+f+f-f-ff-ffff-fff } ADH104d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f f=+fff+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff-fff } ADH104d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f+f+f+f f=+fff+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff-fff } ADH104d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f-f-f-f f=+fff+fff+ff+f+f-f-ff-fff-fff } ADH107h2c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=f+f+f--f+f+f } ADH107h2c2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=f+f+f--f+f+f } ADH107h2d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=x+f+x--x+g+x++x+f+x } ADH107h2d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=x+f+x--x+g+x++x+f+x } ADH107h2e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=x+f+x--x+ff+x++x+f+x } ADH107h2e2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f f=x+f+x--x+ff+x++x+f+x } ADH107h2f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=x--x+ff+x++x } ADH107h2f1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=x--x+ff+x++x } ADH107h3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f f=f-f-f+f+f+f+f+f+f-f-f-f-f-f-f+f+f } ADH107h4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f f=f-f+f+f+f+f+f-f-f-f-f-f+f } ADH107h5 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f f=f+f+f+f+f+f-f-f-f-f-f } ADH107h6 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=f+f+f+f+f+f+f-f-f-f-f-f-f } ADH107h7 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=+fx--x+fx++x+f+ } ADH107h8a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=+f++x--f++x++x++f+ } ADH107h8b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=+f++x--f++x++x++f+ } ADH107h9 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders have 180-degree Axiom f++++f ; rotational symmetry f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h10 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=-x-f++f-x-f--f-x- } ADH107h11 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=+f-f+f+ } ADH135 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff-f-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135_1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff-f-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-ff-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f-ff-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-f--gg--f+f } ADH135c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff-ff-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135c1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff-ff-f--gg--f+f+f } ADH135d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-ff-f--gg--f+ff+f } ADH135e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff-f-ff--gg--f+ff+f } ADH135e1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff-f-ff--gg--f+ff+f } ADH135f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-f-g-f+f } ADH135g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-f-f--[gg--f+f]+f } ADH135h { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff-f-f--gg--f+f+ff } ADH136 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff--g-f-f } ADH137 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff--g+g--ff-f } ADH138 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=f-f-f-f-f----g-f+f----g+f+f+f+f } ADH138a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=f-f-f-f-f----g-f+f----g+f+f+f+f } ADH138b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=f-f-f----g-f+f----g+f+f } ADH138c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=f-f----g-f+f----g+f } ADH138d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f-f--g-f+f--g+f } ADH138e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 3 ; Axiom f-f-f f=f-f-g-f+f-g+f+f } ADH138f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 6 ; Axiom f--f--f f=f-f-f---g-f+f---g+f+f } ADH138g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=f-x-f-x-f----g-f+f----g+f+x+f } ADH107h13 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=f+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+f } ADH107h14 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=x+f+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+f+x } ADH139 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--g+ff--g } ADH140 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--g+ff--g-ff } ADH141 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff--gg-g--fff } ADH142 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff+ff--g+ff } ADH143 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff--g-ff+g--fff } ADH144 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff+ff--g-g--ff } ADH145 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--g+g+g--f+ff+f } ADH146 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--g+g+g--ff--g+ff-f } ADH147 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff-g--g++f } ADH148 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-@.8g--@.8f } ADH149 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--g-ff-gg-g-g--ff } ADH107h15 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Odd orders have Axiom fh ; 180-degree rotational symmetry f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom fh++fh++fh++fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom fh--fh--fh--fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders are rectangular Axiom fh--fh++fh++fh++fh--fh++fh++fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15ccol1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders are rectangular Axiom c09fh--c09fh++c09fh++c09fh++c12fh--c12fh++c12fh++c12fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15ccol2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders are rectangular Axiom c09fh--c12fh++c12fh++c09fh++c09fh--c12fh++c12fh++c09fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15ccol3 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders are rectangular Axiom c09fh--c12fh++c09fh++c12fh++c09fh--c12fh++c09fh++c12fh f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- } ADH107h15d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Odd orders have rotational symmetty Axiom fhjk++fhjk++fhjk++fhjk f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- j=+x+f--f+x+f++f+x+ k=-x-f--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h15e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Even orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry Axiom fhjk--fhjk f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- j=+x+f--f+x+f++f+x+ k=-x-f--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h15f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f+h+j+k+f+h+j+k+f+h+j+k+f+h+j+k f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ ; even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- ; odd orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry j=+x+f--f+x+f++f+x+ k=-x-f--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h15g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f+h+j+k-f+h+j+k-f+h+j+k-f+h+j+k f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ ; odd orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry h=-f-x++x-f-x--x-f- j=+x+f--f+x+f++f+x+ k=-x-f--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h16 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f f=f+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h17a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h17b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h17c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f++f++f++f--f++f++f++f f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h17d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f--f--f--f++f--f--f--f f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h17e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h17e1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom [f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f]++[f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f]++[f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f]++[f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f--@.75f] f=+f++x--x+f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h18 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=+f++f--g+f++g+f+ } ADH107h19 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=+f+x--x+g+x++x+f+g } ADH107h20a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=+f++x--x++f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h20b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=+f++x--x++f++x++x+f+ } ADH107h21 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom fh++fh++fh++fh f=-f--x++x-f--x--x-x h=+f++x--x+f++x++x+x } ADH107h22 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++++f++++f++++f f=+x++f--f+x++f++f } ADH107h22a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f++++f-f f=+x++f--f+x++f++f } ADH107h22b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f+++++++f-f+++++++f-f+++++++f-f+++++++f-f f=+x++f--f+x++f++f } ADH107h22c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom ffff++++ffff f=+x++f--f+x++f++f } ADH107h22d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=x++f-f++x++f++f } ADH107h22d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++++f++++f++++f++++f++++f++++f++++f f=x++f-f++x++f++f } ADH107h22d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f----f----f----f----f----f----f----f f=x++f-f++x++f++f } ADH107h22e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f----f----f----f f=x+f-f++x++f++f } ADH107h23 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=+x++ff--f+x++f++f } ADH107h24 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=+x++f--ff+x++f++f } ADH107h25 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=+x++f--f+x++ff++f } ADH107h26 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f f=+x++f--f+x++f++ff } ADH119zzn4 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f++f-f-f-f f=f+[f+g]-f } ADH150 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff--x+ff+x++f } ADH151 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-f+x } ADH153a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff++x-f--x+ff-x } ADH153a2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff++x-f--x+ff-x } ADH153b1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f f=ff++x-ff--x+ff-x } ADH153c2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f f=ff++x-f--x+f-x } ADH153d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f++x-ff--x+ff-x } ADH153d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f++x-ff--x+ff-x } ADH153e2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f f=f++x-ff--x+f-x } ADH153f1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=ff++x-ff--x+f-x } ADH153f2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff++x-ff--x+f-x } ADH153g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-f--x+f-x } ADH153h { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-fff--x+f-x } ADH153i { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-f--x+fff-x } ADH153j { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-fff--x+f-x } ADH153k { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-f--x+fff-x } ADH153l { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-fff--x+fff-x } ADH153m { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-fff--x+fff-x } ADH153n { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-ff--x+ff-x } ADH153o { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff++x-fff--x+ff-x } ADH153p { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff++x-ff--x+fff-x } ADH153q { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-fff--x+ff-x } ADH153r { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-f--x+ff-x } ADH153s { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff++x-fff--x+f-x } ADH153t { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff++x-ff--x+f-x } ADH153u { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff++x-f--x+fff-x } ADH153v { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-ff--x+fff-x } ADH153w { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-fff--x+ff-x } ADH154a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=f+f--f+f } ADH154b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f f=f+f--f+f } ADH154c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f--f--f--f--f--f--f--f f=f+f-f+f } ADH154d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Axiom f++f++f++f f=f+ff--ff+f } ADH173a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-f-f+f++f-f-f+f } ADH173b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f++f-f-f } ADH173c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-f-f++f-f-f+f } ADH173d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-x-f+ff+x } ADH173d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-x-f+ff+x } ADH173d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f-x-f+ff+x } ADH173e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+x+f-x+ff++x-f } ADH173f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-f-f+f+f-f-f+f } ADH174 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-f-f+f++f+f+f-f } ADH174a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f+f-x-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f--f f=f+f-x-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174a1col { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom c09f+c12f+c14f+c10f f=f+f-x-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174a2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f+f-x-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174a2col { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom c09f-c12f-c14f-c10f f=f+f-x-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-f-f+f++f+f+f-f } ADH174c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++f-x-f+x++f+f--x-f } ADH174d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-x-f+f++x+f--x-f } ADH174e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+x-f-f+f++f+f--x-f } ADH174f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-[f-x+f+]f-f } ADH174f1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f++x-[f-x+f+]f-f } ADH174f2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f++x-[f-x+f+]f-f } ADH174g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+x-f-f+x++f+f--x-f } ADH174h { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+x+ff+x+f--x-f } ADH174i { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+x-f-f+f++f+x--x-f } ADH175 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fxfyfx+fx+fy-fyfx y=fyfx+fx-fy-fyfxfy f= } ADH175a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fxfy-fx+fy-fyfx y=fyfx+fx-fy+fxfy f= } ADH175b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fxfyfy+fx+fy-fyfx y=fyfx+fx-fy-fxfxfy f= } ADH175c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=+fxfyfy+fyfy-fx++fyfx y=fyfx--fy+fxfx-fxfxfy- f= } ADH175d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fxfyfy+fxfx+fy-fyfx y=fyfx+fx-fyfy-fxfxfy f= } ADH175e { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=+fxfx+fy-fyfx y=fyfx+fx-fyfy- f= } ADH175f { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=+fxfx+fy+fx-fy y=fx+fy-fx-fyfy- f= } ADH175g { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=+fxfy y=fxfy- f= } ADH175g1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Odd orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom z-z-z-z z=f f=+fxfy y=fxfy- f= } ADH175g1col { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Odd orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom c09z-c12z-c09z-c12z z=f f=+fxfy y=fxfy- f= } ADH175h { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fx+fy y=fx-fy f= } ADH175h1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Odd orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom z-z-z-z z=f f=fx+fy y=fx-fy f= } ADH175h2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Odd orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom z+z+z+z z=f f=fx+fy y=fx-fy f= } ADH175i { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=fx+fy+ y=-fx-fy f= } ADH175i1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z-z-z-z z=f f=fx+fy+ y=-fx-fy f= } ADH175i2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z+z+z+z z=f f=fx+fy+ y=-fx-fy f= } ADH175j { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom z z=f f=-fyfx-fy y=fx+fyfx+ f= } ADH176 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f++x-ff+x } ADH176a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f++x-ff+x } ADH177 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f++f-f-f-f f=f+f-@.5f-@2f+f } ADH177a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f+f-@.5f-@2f+f } ADH178 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f-f++f } ADH178a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-g+f-f } ADH178b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f f=f-f+ff-ff } ADH179 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f+ff+ff+f+f-f-ff-ff } ADH179a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f f=f+ff+ff+f+f-f-ff-ff } ADH179b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f+ff+f+f-f-ff-f } ADH179c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=ff+f+f-f-f } ADH179c1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=ff+f+f-f-f } ADH179d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f+ff+f+f-f-ff-ff } ADH179d1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f+ff+f+f-f-ff-ff } ADH179d2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f++f f=f+ff+f+f-f-ff-ff } ADH180 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 3 ; Axiom f f=f+f+ff-x+f+x } ADH180a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 3 ; Axiom f+f+f f=f+f+ff-x+f+x } ADH181 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-f+ff-x+f+x } ADH181a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=f-f+ff-x+f+x } ADH181b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=f-f+ff-x+f+x } ADH182 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff-ff-f+f+ff+ff } ADH182a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f+f+f+f f=fff-ff-f+f+ff+ff } ADH182b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f-f-f-f f=fff-ff-f+f+ff+ff } ADH183 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=fff-ff-f+f+ff+f } ADH184 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f-ff-f+f+ff+f } ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 16-03-00 (Rolling Grassland [6]) (c) Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:45:10 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 16, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Having survived the tempests of the Ides of March, I thought a nice soothing fractal would be an appropriate way to end the day. So I unpacked an image I had stored away a year or so ago, touched up the coloring a bit, and declared the result FOTD for March 16. To me, this picture resembles a scene on a rolling, wind-swept, grass-covered prairie. All we need is a cloud or two in the sky to complete the illusion. Of course, no camera was used to create the scene other than the camera of the mind. The formula that created the picture is my RectangularN, which computes the Rectangular (imag[z],imag[c]) slices of Z^n+C. In the case of today's picture, n=1.1. I named the picture "Rolling Grassland". The reason for the name will be apparent as soon as the image is viewed. That image may be viewed by running the parameter file and waiting 8-1/2 minutes, or by going to: or to: and downloading the JPEG file from there. The fractal weather was near perfect today, with a temperature of 70F (21C) that gave the cats their best day of the year. Unfortunately, in the late afternoon an unexpectedly strong wind arose, which struck a pile of old newspapers that I had stacked on the porch, and scattered them all over the yard. I knew I should have tied that bundle. Once again I have fallen short on my philosophical musings, but once again tomorrow I'll have another try. Until then, take care, and be at peace. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Rolling_Grassland { ; time=0:08:26.40 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=RectangularN passes=1 center-mag=-0.00255084527186440/+0.00001503202402791\ /178233/0.001255/0.148/89.811 params=1.1/0/0/0/0.041627863/-0.002064849 float=y maxiter=10000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=136 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000Noz<2>PozQozRoySox<12>`ow`owaow<3>dowdptep\ w<13>oqwpqwprw<3>srwtrr<3>sqZsqUrqPrqKrqG<50>em5em5e\ m4<3>dm4cl5ck5<6>_g5_f5Zf5<3>Xc5_c5cb5<3>c`6cc6ca6cZ\ 6<3>cX6cW6cV6<3>ST6PS6NR7MQ7KQ7<3>KQ7KQ7KQ7KQ7IM7<18\ >8A88A8798<2>678678789<68>`SV } frm:RectangularN {; Jim Muth b=p1, z=flip(real(pixel))+p2, c=flip(imag(pixel))+p3: z=z^(b)+c, |z| <= 16 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ralph Feltens Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:47:12 +0100 Me too! Ralph Feltens "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > Is something going on with the Discussion List server ?? > > Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago. > > Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now and > then for the past week or so. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 21 Mar 2000 11:02:02 -0500 I've been getting them that way for about a month. Not enough to be a bother but noticeable. Probably just some odd-ball setting that only crops up once every other blue moon or so. T H A N K Y O U James R. McKenzie jimmckenzie@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:47 AM > Me too! > > Ralph Feltens > > > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > Is something going on with the Discussion List server ?? > > > > Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago. > > > > Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now and > > then for the past week or so. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:27:14 GMT Hi, I'm probably only making this worse seeing as you may all get this message twice, but I am also getting extra copies of e-mail. From Rupert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:33:31 -0600 --------------E58001923178CF7098E10FFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me, too - or rather THREE - and multiples thereof (12 in <3 minutes is my Personal Best so far). Since re-subscribing to the Discussion List approximately 30 days ago after a 14 month medical hiatus, my brand-new CD-ROM version of Netscape Communicator 4.7 (as well as a serially double-filtered [Norton, McAfee] web-downloaded version of Netscape Communicator 4.72 ) have both been serving me up duplicate, triplicate, 4x, 6x, 8x, 9x, 10x and 12x copies of th same e-mail messages. I didn't bring the problem earlier with other users or with the majordomo because I assumed the error was in all likelihood mine. However, my ISP (Internet America) assures me that the problem does not reside with them, or with any installation or execution problem at this end.(All software has been uninstalled and re-installed more times than I can count by persons more competent than I). Still not convinced, I (foolishly) spent the bucks to ask Symantec, as I had installed Norton SystemWorks Pro 2000 v.3.0 (contains Norton Anti-Virus 2000 v.6.0, N Utilities v.4.5, N.CleanSweep v.4.7, N.CrashGuard v 4.0, N.WebServices v.1, N. Ghost v 1, and Norton 2000) and Fractint on the same day. They of course denied any culpability, but offered that "it shurely did act like a virus". The PC is a 2 month-old Gateway Solo 9300 XL w/ a "Speed Switchable" PIII , 288MB 100MHz RAM, and an11GB HDD, factory-loaded w/ W98v2 and MS Office Pro. All worked just fine until the day I: 1) loaded the Norton SystemWorks2000 v3 (so I'd have viral protection from all future net downloads), 2) subscribed to and downloaded Fractint 19.6 ( and 2 weeks later 20.00) from the Discussion Group's Homepage. So who else has got this problem??? Thanks - DeBow Freed Ralph Feltens wrote: > Me too! > > Ralph Feltens > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > Is something going on with the Discussion List server ?? > > > > Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago. > > > > Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now and > > then for the past week or so. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------E58001923178CF7098E10FFB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me, too - or rather THREE - and  multiples thereof (12 in <3 minutes is my Personal Best so far).

Since re-subscribing to the Discussion List approximately 30 days ago after a 14 month medical hiatus, my brand-new CD-ROM version of Netscape Communicator 4.7 (as well as a serially double-filtered [Norton, McAfee] web-downloaded version of Netscape Communicator 4.72 ) have both been serving me up duplicate, triplicate, 4x, 6x, 8x, 9x, 10x and 12x copies of th same e-mail messages.

I didn't bring the problem earlier with other users or with the majordomo because I assumed the error was in all likelihood mine. However, my ISP (Internet America) assures me that the problem does not reside with them, or with any installation or execution problem at this end.(All software has been uninstalled and re-installed more times than I can count by persons more competent than I).

Still not convinced, I (foolishly) spent the bucks to ask Symantec, as I had installed Norton SystemWorks Pro 2000 v.3.0 (contains Norton Anti-Virus 2000 v.6.0, N Utilities v.4.5, N.CleanSweep v.4.7, N.CrashGuard v 4.0, N.WebServices v.1, N. Ghost v 1, and Norton 2000) and Fractint on the same day. They of course denied any culpability, but offered that "it shurely did act like a virus".
 

The PC is a 2 month-old Gateway Solo 9300 XL  w/ a "Speed Switchable" PIII , 288MB 100MHz RAM, and an11GB HDD, factory-loaded w/ W98v2 and MS Office Pro.
All worked just fine until the day I:
1) loaded the Norton SystemWorks2000 v3 (so I'd have viral protection from all future net downloads),
2) subscribed to and downloaded Fractint 19.6 ( and 2 weeks later 20.00) from the Discussion Group's Homepage.

So who else has got this problem???

Thanks - DeBow Freed
 

Ralph Feltens wrote:

Me too!

Ralph Feltens

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

> Is something going on with the Discussion List server ??
>
> Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago.
>
> Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now and
> then for the past week or so.

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--------------E58001923178CF7098E10FFB-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles F Crocker Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:01:23 -0500 I haven't gotten more than two duplicates of anything. It has been noticable for the last few days. I have been blaming it on my server because they have been having problems finding addresses recently. It can't ( I hate to say can't about anything on a computer) be at my mailbox because I can watch each message being deleted from the server immediately after it's downloaded. Just got a second copy of Jim Muth's FOTD for the 16'th. Charles Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: juice@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 22 Mar 2000 06:54:10 GMT Well well, someone from my neck of the woods, note the email address. I have seen occasional, intermittant duplicates. I did not believe it was my server because this seems to be happening on other lists also and to people who do not share my ISP. The thing that I have noted is the length of the duplicates is different. The difference seems to be in the headers, though I've been lazy about looking at more than line count. Feel free to email privately if you want to start comparing notes. Short of an illuminati style conspiracy, I've begun to wonder if there is a backbone issue somewhere. On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:33:31 -0600, DeBow Freed II PhD wrote: >Me, too - or rather THREE - and multiples thereof (12 in <3 minutes is = my >Personal Best so far). > >Since re-subscribing to the Discussion List approximately 30 days ago = after a >14 month medical hiatus, my brand-new CD-ROM version of Netscape = Communicator >4.7 (as well as a serially double-filtered [Norton, McAfee] = web-downloaded >version of Netscape Communicator 4.72 ) have both been serving me up >duplicate, triplicate, 4x, 6x, 8x, 9x, 10x and 12x copies of th same = e-mail >messages. > >I didn't bring the problem earlier with other users or with the = majordomo >because I assumed the error was in all likelihood mine. However, my ISP >(Internet America) assures me that the problem does not reside with = them, or >with any installation or execution problem at this end.(All software has= been >uninstalled and re-installed more times than I can count by persons more >competent than I). > >Still not convinced, I (foolishly) spent the bucks to ask Symantec, as I= had >installed Norton SystemWorks Pro 2000 v.3.0 (contains Norton Anti-Virus = 2000 >v.6.0, N Utilities v.4.5, N.CleanSweep v.4.7, N.CrashGuard v 4.0, >N.WebServices v.1, N. Ghost v 1, and Norton 2000) and Fractint on the = same >day. They of course denied any culpability, but offered that "it shurely= did >act like a virus". > > >The PC is a 2 month-old Gateway Solo 9300 XL w/ a "Speed Switchable" = PIII , >288MB 100MHz RAM, and an11GB HDD, factory-loaded w/ W98v2 and MS Office = Pro. >All worked just fine until the day I: >1) loaded the Norton SystemWorks2000 v3 (so I'd have viral protection = from >all future net downloads), >2) subscribed to and downloaded Fractint 19.6 ( and 2 weeks later 20.00)= from >the Discussion Group's Homepage. > >So who else has got this problem??? > >Thanks - DeBow Freed > > >Ralph Feltens wrote: > >> Me too! >> >> Ralph Feltens >> >> "Paul N. Lee" wrote: >> >> > Is something going on with the Discussion List server ?? >> > >> > Just received another copy of something that was sent out days ago. >> > >> > Have been receiving multiple copies of different postings every now = and >> > then for the past week or so. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" juice --have fun --harm none INTP web2.airmail.net/ebt Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 22-03-00 (Giant Fractal Worms [7]) (c) Date: 22 Mar 2000 01:59:15 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 22, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: While studying this evening's out-of-the-ordinary fractal, I fancied myself on the planet 'Dune', face to face with one of those giant sand worms that make the spice that enables the navigators to navigate and the society to exist. I naturally named the picture "Giant Fractal Worms". I have often wondered why in such a technologically advanced society as exists in the 'Dune' series, there would be no advanced computers. In fact, I can recall no computers at all in the novels. Perhaps Mr. Herbert was trying to give us a message that computers are not the way to the future; perhaps he simply decided to invent a society that had risen to an advanced state without the aid of computers. Or perhaps I have merely failed to remember the computers that *are* in the novels. Regardless, the novels are still a great reading exercise, and the movie is still one of the most incomprehensible films of all time -- one of the most effective sleep-producers in my vast collection. My collection of fractals of the day is becoming almost as vast as my collection of junky old sci-fi movies. Today's single- layer fractal, which as usual uses the M-Mix4 formula, was created by a mixture of Z^2 and 1/Z. The parent fractal of today's midget is a kind of filled-in M-set. The illustrated scene lies in the East Valley area of this larger fractal. It is located in one of the grossly distorted elephant-trunk spirals. The color scheme is another serendipitous accident, which appeared the third time I struck the key. I needed to fine tune only a few registers. As a treat for those with more important things to do than spend 5 -minutes calculating fractals, the image has been posted pre-calculated to the Usenet binary group: and to: The fractal weather was rainy all day, with an accumulation of over 2 inches (5cm), which dampened the fractal basement. The rain and temperature of 39F (4C) kept the fractal cats indoors all day. My philosophical musings were stuck in the same old rut all day, so with nothing new to tell, I shall remain silent. But I'll be here again in 24 hours with another wonderful (IMO) fractal, and if I'm lucky, a few words of enlightenment. Until then, take care, and one person's enlightenment is another person's nonsense. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ GiantFractal_Worms { ; time=0:05:08.00 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.59044340977935280/-0.20368178747534280\ /1.147703e+010/1/71.663/0.08 params=0.3/2/1/-1/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=94 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000czz<3>SqzOnzLkxIhuFepEbk<3>BOYALV9HR8DP6BN\ <2>A9HB8FC8F<3>G6FH5FI5FJ4GK4H<3>W8LZ9Ma9N<2>jCTmDcp\ EhsEm<3>cKi_MhWNhSPgO_fKjeGsdCucKzcPwd<3>eogimgmkhmj\ hmbimcjtdjwekzekzek<2>zPiXKgQLd3Di<5>4Sd4Uc4Xc<3>4e`\ <3>KlSOnQSpOTsK<8>dg`eebfdd<3>k_lubv<3>OQQGNIFMK<4>D\ MRCMTCMU<2>AMZAM_BKa<6>CCnCBpDAq<3>D6x<3>V9p_9ncAl<3\ >uCe<3>jMLhPGeRBfR5<4>SYAPZAM_B<3>AdF4cE<3>KiGOkGSlG\ WlG<3>`nHaoHboHcpHdpH<3>drjdsqdsxbtr<3>gvYhvTiwT<3>m\ ySnySozS<5>uzRvzRwzQxzQyzQ<40>zzJ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:18:20 GMT Hello everybody, In the formula parser how do you use a complex number by itself without using a parameter. eg: a=3*b or d=b+3 how would I use a complex number instead of the threes? also if I used wanted to multiply z by i would 'i*z' do the trick or would that multiply z by the variable i (which would probably be zero) Thankyou, Rupert Millard e-mail: rupertam@hotmail.com website: http://www.geocities.com/kangarupert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reckase, Erik Nathan" Subject: (fractint) Hmmm...what does this mean in a formula? Date: 22 Mar 2000 11:30:46 -0700 I've seen a number of instances when the looping section of a formula has something like : z = z*z/c*c Does this mean something in particular to Fractint? I would expect that this would simply reduce to z = z*z but that gives different results...is this a precision issue? --Erik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johann Snyman Subject: (fractint) Fractint center-mag error Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:38:16 +0200 Hi there. This might be a stupid question, but why all of a sudden do I get this error: Oops. I couldn't understand the argument: center-mag=-9.088203354797765/-0.00219457644305659/5\ Any key to continue... when I try to calculate the FOTD the last few days? I downloaded 20.0.9 because I thought that might solve the problem, but it's still there. Thanks! :) --- http://johannhome.cjb.net "If you become rich after working hard, you can look like a re-hydrated raisin, but you'll never again be a grape." --Tara Suan, 3/16/2000 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint center-mag error Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:43:25 -0500 (EST) At 08:38 PM 3/22/00 +0200, Johann Snyman wrote: >Hi there. > >This might be a stupid question, but why all of a sudden do I get >this error: > Oops. I couldn't understand the argument: > center-mag=-9.088203354797765/-0.00219457644305659/5\ I see nothing wrong with the line above, which is causing the error. I substituted it for the identical line in my copy of the parameter file, and the file ran correctly. I created the parameter file with the float-only version 20.0.9.1 of Fractint, but I doubt if that could be causing the error. My only suggestion would be to send the entire parameter file that is causing the error message, and I'll see if I can reproduce the error. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin Subject: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:48:33 -0500 Rupert, > In the formula parser how do you use a complex number by itself without = using a parameter. < The format of a complex number in the parser is (real, imaginary), e.g. (3,2) is the complex number 3 + 2i, and (3,-2) is the complex number 3 - 2i. George Martin = Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hmmm...what does this mean in a formula? Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:34:09 +1200 At 11:30 22/03/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I've seen a number of instances when the looping section of a formula has >something like : > >z = z*z/c*c > >Does this mean something in particular to Fractint? I would expect that >this would simply reduce to > >z = z*z > >but that gives different results...is this a precision issue? > The z=z*z/c*c does reduce to z=z*z in Fractint, and usually the two produce the same results. However, since Fractint doesn't actually make this simplifcation, in cases where c=0, the original expression produces an overflow while the latter (obviously) doesn't depend on c at all. So in that sense it is a precision issue - though I can't think off-hand of a situation where such behaviour would be desirable. The original author probably intended z=z*z/(c*c), which is something else again. Morgan L. Owens "Better as z=sqr(z/c), anyway." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:51:43 +0100 At 15:48 22/03/00 -0500, you wrote: >Rupert, > >> >In the formula parser how do you use a complex number by itself without >using a parameter. >< > >The format of a complex number in the parser is (real, imaginary), e.g. > > (3,2) is the complex number 3 + 2i, and > (3,-2) is the complex number 3 - 2i. > >George Martin > How can one use the functions 'IDENT' and 'RECIP' in a formula without using 'fn1' and 'fn2'? cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:24:46 -0700 In article <3.0.6.32.20000323025143.007cd660@mail.mnhn.lu>, Guy Marson writes: > How can one use the functions 'IDENT' and 'RECIP' in a formula without > using 'fn1' and 'fn2'? Ident is the identity, i.e. f(z) = z. So there is nothing to do for a formula that wants to use the identity. Recip is the reciprocal, i.e. f(z) = 1/z. I'm not sure if the parser recognizes 1/z and optimizes it as a call to a special routine for the reciprocal. -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) new web pages Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:18:56 -0500 To make a long story short, since December I have been doing more plumbing than fractaling, having been plagued with major problems concerning both my water supply and disposal, eventually requiring both a new well and septic tank! Being of the persuasion to do as much as possible without the help of contractors, such projects necessarily drag out. Spring has also come to our parts, and with it the need to look after my garden. That I have created some images during this period at all, is due to rainy days more than anything else. I displayed them, along with the parameter files, on my web site under the titles "Variations on an original theme." I invite you to visit. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: March 15, 2000 -- two new pages Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: February 20, 2000 -- new floral slide show Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:29:07 +1200 At 19:24 22/03/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >In article <3.0.6.32.20000323025143.007cd660@mail.mnhn.lu>, > Guy Marson writes: > >> How can one use the functions 'IDENT' and 'RECIP' in a formula without >> using 'fn1' and 'fn2'? > >Ident is the identity, i.e. f(z) = z. So there is nothing to do for a >formula that wants to use the identity. > >Recip is the reciprocal, i.e. f(z) = 1/z. > >I'm not sure if the parser recognizes 1/z and optimizes it as a call >to a special routine for the reciprocal. > I can't see it anywhere in the optimiser source but there is mention of it replacing x^(-1) with recip(x), as well as x^0=1, x^1=x and x^2=sqr(x). Morgan L. Owens "Faster! Faster!" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony \(Anthony\) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) Replacement for hanmerc.l Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:02:24 GET ... In the course of learning more about Hausdorff dimension from Morgan L. Owens, I have also been instructed in simplifying my L-systems containing the unnecessary "undefined x". SO, here is the replacement for hanmerc.l, which I recently posted, containing Morgan's better versions of my 2 favourite discoveries. Please name this file hanmerc.l and remove the previos one. Tony Hanmer, Who still has a lot to learn about L-systems ADH107h2o { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 8 ; Original version needing improvement Axiom f f=+f+x--x+f+x++x+f+ } ADH107h2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000, MUCH simplified by Morgan L. Owens Angle 4 ; Who says L-systems are boring?! Axiom ++f ; I like this one so much, I'll name it after myself: f=ff++f+ ; the Hanmer Curve, variant 1 } ; Fractal dimension, calculated by Morgan: 1.3652 ADH107h2a1 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom f+f+f+f ; Odd orders have glide symmetry f=ff++f+ } ADH107h2a1col { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 90-degree rotational symmetry Axiom c09f+c12f+c10f+c13f ; Odd orders have glide symmetry f=ff++f+ } ADH107h2a2 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Axiom fff+f+fff+f f=ff++f+ } ADH107h2c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders are x-shaped, odd orders are square Axiom ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff f=ff++f+ } ADH152o { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Original version needing improvement Axiom ++f f=f--x+f++x-f+x } ADH152 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000, MUCH simplified by Morgan L. Owens Angle 4 ; A relative of ADH107h2 Axiom ++f ; so we'll call it the Hanmer Curve, variant 2 f=f-f+f+ ; Fractal dimension, calculated by Morgan: 1.3652 } ADH152a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry Axiom f++f ; Odd orders are asymmetrical f=f-f+f+ } ADH152b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders have 180-degree rotational symmetry Axiom ff--ff ; Odd orders are asymmetrical f=f-f+f+ } ADH152c { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders are long, odd orders are square Axiom fff+f+fff+f f=f-f+f+ } ADH152d { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Even orders are x-shaped Axiom ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff+ff--ff ; Odd orders are square f=f-f+f+ } ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 23-03-00 (Forever Fractal [5]) (c) Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:37:19 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 23, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal formula is another of those that have no right to produce a respectable fractal but produce one anyway. Certainly 1/Z-Z+1/C appears as though nothing much could come from it. The surprise is that today's fractal came from it. I named the picture "Forever Fractal" for no reason in particular. I simply thought the words sounded good. The parameter file takes 7 minutes to render. The JPEG'd image takes about one minute to download from: or from: The weather was cloudy all day, though no rain fell. The temperature of 45F (7C) kept the cats indoors. That's it for today -- a minimal discussion effort to say the least. But tomorrow is only 24 hours off, and I'll be in better form then. Until next time, take care, and watch out for falling fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Forever_Fractal { ; time=0:06:53.32 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.1527452882469716/0.2641010706712715/24\ 96589/1/-104.999 params=1/-1/-1/1/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=105 periodicity=10 colors=000A0KGOX<6>NVSOWRPXQ<2>S_OT`NVbO<20>DCHDBGCA\ G<3>95F<13>WZYX`_Zb`<3>dje<2>tsivvkxylzzmwulrokqlkci\ j`ciZVi<3>PDfN8eL4e<7>F3kE3kD3l<3>A3o13xA3oI3fQ3YX1O\ <16>iKkjLlkMn<3>nQsoQw<6>mUgmVdmWb<3>lYUqNf<2>cs0<21\ >j`Kj_Lj_M<2>kXPkWQm_S<3>eNKdKJbHH<3>W5AX67W7E<3>SEc\ SGiRIi<10>QciQeiQgiQiiQki<3>QpiQqiSrj<3>WvjYwkZxk_yk\ <7>hzljzmkzm<3>ozmhzYazIVz3<3>Dz59z5Az9<7>EzaEzdFzh<\ 3>GzvJzuMzt } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) formula parser question Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:15:20 +0100 At 16:29 23/03/00 +1200, you wrote: >At 19:24 22/03/2000 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In article <3.0.6.32.20000323025143.007cd660@mail.mnhn.lu>, >> Guy Marson writes: >> >>> How can one use the functions 'IDENT' and 'RECIP' in a formula without >>> using 'fn1' and 'fn2'? >> >>Ident is the identity, i.e. f(z) = z. So there is nothing to do for a >>formula that wants to use the identity. >> >>Recip is the reciprocal, i.e. f(z) = 1/z. until now, it sounds good.. >> >>I'm not sure if the parser recognizes 1/z and optimizes it as a call >>to a special routine for the reciprocal. >> >I can't see it anywhere in the optimiser source but there is mention of it >replacing x^(-1) with recip(x), as well as x^0=1, x^1=x and x^2=sqr(x). > but now ist getting complicated.. I try it anyway!! >Morgan L. Owens >"Faster! Faster!" > > > cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Janet Dancisak" Subject: (fractint) Trig question Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:32:17 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm just beginning in = fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I do have a = question you math wiz people might be able to answer. I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine when the range is = below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it?=20 One more quick question for the programmers out there: I know a little = C++.... is there an inverse sine function? Thank you very much. Janet ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm = just=20 beginning in fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I = do have a=20 question you math wiz people might be able to answer.
I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine = when the=20 range is below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it? =
One more quick question for the programmers out = there: I=20 know a little C++....   is there an inverse sine=20 function?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain G. Stirling" Subject: Re: (fractint) Trig question Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:19:05 -0000 Janet Dancisak wrote: Date sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:17 -0600 Send reply to: fractint@lists.xmission.com > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm just beginning in = > fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I do have a = > question you math wiz people might be able to answer. > I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine when the range is = > below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it?=20 > One more quick question for the programmers out there: I know a little = > C++.... is there an inverse sine function? > > Thank you very much. > > Janet > Janet, Firstly, on your second question: The inverse sine function in C/C++ is the asin function. asin stands for "arc sine", another name for the inverse sine. It is available in math.h. Secondly, on your first question: The answer is - it can't. The sine function only ever outputs a value between -1 and 1, regardless of what angle you give as input. An implication of this is that the inverse sine function can only accept inputs in the range -1 to 1. Hope this helps, Iain. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Janet Dancisak" Subject: Re: (fractint) Trig question Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:47:05 -0600 Thanks for your quick reply! I tried the asin function and you're right, out of range inputs don't work. Can you do it with imaginary numbers? Input the inverse sine of an imaginary number over 1 or below -1? Thanks again! Janet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 9:19 AM > Janet Dancisak wrote: > > From: "Janet Dancisak" > To: > Subject: (fractint) Trig question > Date sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:17 -0600 > Send reply to: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm just beginning in = > > fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I do have a = > > question you math wiz people might be able to answer. > > I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine when the range is = > > below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it?=20 > > One more quick question for the programmers out there: I know a little = > > C++.... is there an inverse sine function? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Janet > > > > Janet, > > Firstly, on your second question: The inverse sine function in C/C++ > is the asin function. asin stands for "arc sine", another name for the > inverse sine. It is available in math.h. > > Secondly, on your first question: The answer is - it can't. The sine > function only ever outputs a value between -1 and 1, regardless of > what angle you give as input. An implication of this is that the inverse > sine function can only accept inputs in the range -1 to 1. > > Hope this helps, > > Iain. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory McClure Subject: RE: (fractint) Trig question Date: 23 Mar 2000 07:53:39 -0800 Unless, of course, you take the argument of the sine function into the complex realm, then any value is possible. For example the sin of = (pi/2 - 3i) is approx. 10.07. There are formulas for determining the values of complex arguments for = the trigonometric, hyperbolic, and logarithmic functions that allow a = computer to calculate both real and imaginary sections separately. C may even = have a standard package for this, I know they have a complex type. I don't = have a sample for C, since most of my work is in Visual Basic, and the multiprecision package I created with these formulas was written with = VB in mind, not VC. If you need more details on the algorithms used, just = mail me at gregory.mcclure@quantum.com. I can then look up some info in my = books that have these algorithms in C and supply a better answer. The Kwisatz Haderach, =DF Gregory J. McClure -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:19 AM Janet Dancisak wrote: Date sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:17 -0600 Send reply to: fractint@lists.xmission.com > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >=20 > ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm just beginning in =3D > fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I do have a = =3D > question you math wiz people might be able to answer. > I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine when the range is = =3D > below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it?=3D20 > One more quick question for the programmers out there: I know a = little =3D > C++.... is there an inverse sine function? >=20 > Thank you very much. >=20 > Janet >=20 Janet, Firstly, on your second question: The inverse sine function in C/C++=20 is the asin function. asin stands for "arc sine", another name for the=20 inverse sine. It is available in math.h. Secondly, on your first question: The answer is - it can't. The sine=20 function only ever outputs a value between -1 and 1, regardless of=20 what angle you give as input. An implication of this is that the = inverse=20 sine function can only accept inputs in the range -1 to 1. Hope this helps, Iain. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pedja" Subject: Re: (fractint) multiple copies of mail Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:33:44 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:54 AM > Well well, someone from my neck of the woods, note the email address. > I have seen occasional, intermittant duplicates. I did not believe it > was my server because this seems to be happening on other lists also > and to people who do not share my ISP. The thing that I have noted is > the length of the duplicates is different. The difference seems to be > in the headers, though I've been lazy about looking at more than line > count. Feel free to email privately if you want to start comparing > notes. Short of an illuminati style conspiracy, I've begun to wonder > if there is a backbone issue somewhere>>. Multiple copies started about few weeks ago,my ISP is in Yugoslavia,so it must be list server related.It is weird,IMHO,that sometimes it's just 2-3 copies of the same message(no difference in headers,only in receive time),and sometimes it's a copy of old message ,only with new subject line. Is it time to get paranoid,or it's just Murphy's law in action? Pedja. Quod me nutrit me destruit . Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Janet Dancisak Subject: Re: (fractint) Trig question Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:26:37 -0600 Cool! Thanks! I'm just getting into complex numbers in my C++ class, so I= 'll probably be learning the algorithms for them. I'm doing an Honor's project for Trig class on fractals.... I want to s= tudy the science behind the art.... but the teacher I ended up with has an, = shall we say "antiquated" notion of fractals. He did his in black and white... = years ago, and hasn't worked with them since. He want's me to come up with ju= st one or two equations to study. I see all the parameters go by on the list....= Is there a really good one or two to start out studying? And now he tells me= they don't HAVE to be trig functions! (It's a long sad story!) Any feed back o= n where to start would be appreciated!! Janet Gregory McClure wrote: > Unless, of course, you take the argument of the sine function into the > complex realm, then any value is possible. For example the sin of (pi/= 2 - > 3i) is approx. 10.07. > > There are formulas for determining the values of complex arguments for = the > trigonometric, hyperbolic, and logarithmic functions that allow a compu= ter > to calculate both real and imaginary sections separately. C may even h= ave a > standard package for this, I know they have a complex type. I don't ha= ve a > sample for C, since most of my work is in Visual Basic, and the > multiprecision package I created with these formulas was written with V= B in > mind, not VC. If you need more details on the algorithms used, just ma= il me > at gregory.mcclure@quantum.com. I can then look up some info in my boo= ks > that have these algorithms in C and supply a better answer. > > The Kwisatz Haderach, > =DF Gregory J. McClure > > -----Original Message----- > From: Iain G. Stirling [mailto:Iain@flat2-2.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:19 AM > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Trig question > > Janet Dancisak wrote: > > From: "Janet Dancisak" > To: > Subject: (fractint) Trig question > Date sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:17 -0600 > Send reply to: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=3D_NextPart_000_000D_01BF94A2.4C71C340 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > I've been lurking on this list for a while. I'm just beginning in =3D > > fractals but really haven't had time to play with them. I do have a =3D > > question you math wiz people might be able to answer. > > I know my graphing calculator can't figure the sine when the range is= =3D > > below -1 or above 1: can/how does the computer do it?=3D20 > > One more quick question for the programmers out there: I know a littl= e =3D > > C++.... is there an inverse sine function? > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Janet > > > > Janet, > > Firstly, on your second question: The inverse sine function in C/C++ > is the asin function. asin stands for "arc sine", another name for the > inverse sine. It is available in math.h. > > Secondly, on your first question: The answer is - it can't. The sine > function only ever outputs a value between -1 and 1, regardless of > what angle you give as input. An implication of this is that the invers= e > sine function can only accept inputs in the range -1 to 1. > > Hope this helps, > > Iain. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: RE: (fractint) Trig question Date: 24 Mar 2000 11:51:38 +1200 At 07:53 23/03/2000 -0800, Gregory McClure wrote: >Unless, of course, you take the argument of the sine function into the >complex realm, then any value is possible. For example the sin of (pi/2 - >3i) is approx. 10.07. > >There are formulas for determining the values of complex arguments for the >trigonometric, hyperbolic, and logarithmic functions that allow a computer >to calculate both real and imaginary sections separately. C may even have a >standard package for this, I know they have a complex type. > The Fractint documentation gives the formulas it uses for its calculation of these functions with complex argument (online under "Fractals and the PC", or page 176 of fractint.doc), expressing them as functions of real variables. To be precise, the transcendetal functions it details are: exp, ln, sin, cos, tan, cot, sinh, cosh, tanh, coth, asin, acos, atan, acot, asinh, acosh, atanh, acoth. Note, for example, that cosh is a rotation of cos in the complex plane. Given the use of these expressions in the Fractint code, I would say that a complex maths library is a nonstandard beastie. Morgan L. Owens "cosxx - now that really _is_ nonstandard!" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fernando Henrique Bresslau" Subject: (fractint) Fractlas tiles (backgrounds) Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:08:12 -0300 Has any of you had success in designing tiles for backgrounds? I was lookind either for sometihing with a minibrot or a nice spiral... Any clues? A good example is the bitmap that comes with UF... (no, it´s not off-topic.. it´s still fractint related...) Thanks in advance, Fernando _____ _ ___ |) |. | |(_`|) bresslau@ozdobe.org / ' ' ) / / ) | ()|| ~ |_|,_)| __________ ,-/-, /--/ /--< \ \ \ \ \ \ (_/ernando / (_enrique /____)resslau \¨-._ ==**********============================================================`> / / / / / / fernando_bresslau@yahoo.com /_.*¨´ ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ http://www.ozdobe.org http://www.jugend.com.br http://polijr.mcca.ep.usp.br __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractlas tiles (backgrounds) Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:33:01 -1000 On 23 Mar 00 at 22:08, Fernando Henrique Bresslau wrote: > Has any of you had success in designing tiles for > backgrounds? Take a look at the background for my small fractals page: http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/fractals.html Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond He who procrastinates last still procrastinates. (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LeeFbx@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractlas tiles (backgrounds) Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:51:47 EST Fractiles are easy to make, using any picture editor like Paint Shop.=20 Just select an area you want to be your upper left quarter tile, flip that horizontally around the right edge, and then flip the whole top vertically around the lower edge to make the bottom half.=20 You can get many different tiles from one fractal image this way, and it's much easier than trying to get Fractint to produce a tile directly. =20 The fun comes in selecting the upper left corner. I hope this helps. -Lee Fairbanks =20 In a message dated 03/23/2000 5:11:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 wnto@yahoo.com writes: > Has any of you had success in designing tiles for backgrounds? I was looki= nd > either for sometihing with a minibrot or a nice spiral... Any clues? A go= od > example is the bitmap that comes with UF... (no, it=B4s not off-topic.. i= t=B4s > still fractint related...) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Fractal tiles for backgrounds Date: 23 Mar 2000 23:33:55 -0500 (EST) This formula will produce a wide variety of tiling effects. The attached par file draws a sample with a midget. fractiles {; p1=Mandelbrot set coordinates reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=jim.frm formulaname=Mosaic function=tan/tan/tan/tan center-mag=4.44089e-015/-3.16414e-015/0.1392427/1/-3\ 9.999 params=-1.76/0 float=y maxiter=95 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=10 sound=off colors=000IVBEVBMZCUaDdA2<3>GU5AY5Ia9<3>kmNrpRysU<3>\ ZihSflLdpEat8_wRkWiw5nmOscfdAV<3>lWSn`RpfRrkQspQ<3>d\ RI`KGYEF<3>`U3`Y0Rb1Hg1<2>PK`RClWFk<3>lRkqUkuXky_k<3\ >YcVRdQKeMDfI6gEAbBEY9HU7<3>_S4dS3iS2mS2<3>eZec_odch\ <3>gpKgtEhw8hz2<3>uvMxvQmcRcLR8isNkSal1<3>ioJkpNmpSo\ qWqq_<3>mbelZfkVgjShbOQVL7<3>LNRJNWHN`FNd<3>SZnVapM_\ hDY`4XU<3>7HM8DK99I96H<3>58W48Z38b38e<2>vzhoC`<3>cME\ `P8ZR3c0G<4>PKQ<2>GVV<3>WSO_RMcQLgPJkPIiYIheI<3>hISh\ CUh7WVEG<2>1VK<3>EskHyqUWee2UZWgTxt<3>LQoVQrcQu<3>H9\ y<3>_d4<3>OoTLr_IueFxkDzq<2>kKl<3>feZejVdoSctP<3>hkf\ iijjgokeslcw<2>HSu<3>9bo7dn5gm3il<6>rKe } frm:Mosaic {; p1=Mandelbrot set coordinates z=c=p1+.05*(fn1(fn2(real(pixel)))+\ flip(fn3(fn4(imag(pixel))))): z=sqr(z)+c, |z| <= 100 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 24-03-00 (A Stranger Fractal [8]) (c) Date: 24 Mar 2000 00:20:14 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 24, 2000 (Rating 8) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal rates an 8. Actually, I was undecided on a 7 or an 8, so I decided to give myself the benefit of the doubt by rating the image an 8, which equals much-above-average on my scale of fractal worth. It's an unusually complex image to have come from the formula (1/Z)-Z+C. But the complexity of the image is not too surprising, since nothing in the field of fractals is totally unexpected. Actually, the image is most unusual in that it has 24 spiral arms radiating from the obviously quadratic midget at the center. 24 is not a power of 2. Since it is one of the stranger midgets I have yet turned up, I named the picture "A Stranger Fractal". I gave the coloring aspect a bit more effort than usual, spending all of 25 minutes fine-tuning the colors. The results of my efforts may be seen in 18 minutes by running the attached parameter file, or even sooner by going to the usenet group: and downloading the JPEG file from there. The image is also available on Paul Lee's web site at: The ever-present-but-not-always-notable fractal weather was un-notable today, as a partly cloudy sky and temperature of 60F (15.5C) made it as normal and average a day as possible. The cats must have approved of the non-event, since they spent several hours outdoors on the porch. I came upon an article in the news this afternoon telling that physicist Freeman Dyson has received the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion. In his acceptance speech, Mr. Dyson, an Agnostic, called for science and religion to work to find a way to reconcile their differences. I agree 100 percent with his feelings on this matter. The article has my philosophical wheels once again in high gear, so expect some interesting thoughts from me on the philofractal list in a day or two. Until next time, take care, and once a fractal, always a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Stranger_Fractal { ; time=0:17:40.46 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.618152963511252/-2.530318379843519/5.1\ 09333e+007/1/-137.5 params=1/-1/-1/1/0/-80 float=y maxiter=12000 inside=0 logmap=275 periodicity=10 colors=000cGK<6>cMKcNKcOKcPKcQKcRK<3>_VNZWOYXP<3>T`T\ RaUQbW<2>Le`KgbKjd<3>IfcHecHdc<2>FacF`cE_eEZfDYgCWhD\ XiDXjDXmEXkEXkEYkEYm<2>FYmFYnGZp<3>HZxH_zH_zI_zI_zI_\ zJazIWwIUwHUrHOmHOgGLjGIaFFUFCUGATF9FF9A<7>F6AF6AF5A\ F5AF5A<3>F3DF3EF3D<2>F2B<3>dUPj`SiaVhcT<2>OVQ3SNHSPQ\ U6VVQ<9>WfTWgTWhT<3>WlU<3>fohiollpposr<8>kYwkWwjTx<3\ >iKy<3>Y_NVcDTg4Rh6Ph7<3>HqBFsCDsE<3>5vI3vJ2uK6oL9kM\ CgNFdO<3>SWSVUTYSU<3>iKYqD`<5>SaSNeQJiPFmNAqM6uK0zI<\ 4>8wM9wNBvOCvOEuP<3>KxSLyTNzULzUOzURzFUz0<3>Oz8MzALz\ B<5>PzVQzZQza<2>SzkTznUzp<18>Szw } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: (fractint) Xfractint menu questions Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:43:25 -0600 This message is directed to all the Xfractint users out there. I am working on cleaning up the user interface of Xfractint so that the prompts are more appropriate to Linux/Unix users. (Such as changing the function-key prompts to Shift-n prompts. I have a couple of questions for other people running Xfractint with Linux (or other Unix-based OS's): 1.Can anyone use the `Delete' key for the Main Menu selection: "select video mode ". In my case, `Delete' doesn't work. I have to press the `Enter' key only when this menu item is highlighted. (I know we can't select a video mode, but still I have to press `Enter' to draw the fractal.) If the delete key works for you, please also let me know what OS you are using. (Linux, HP-UX, Solaris, *BSD, etc.) I just want to make sure that this isn't happening only to me because of some hidden, arcane setting in some keyboard-map file. 2. While going thru one of the source files that deals with the main menu, I realized that everything below "restart Fractint " is missing, such as color-cycling, pallette editing, make starfield, etc. Is this common to all Xfractint installations? I can remove a certain condition in the source file, re-compile, and the menu items will show up. Color-cycling still won't work, (when I press the C key, I get a beep) but the others will. Please email me with your results. I realize that there may not be many Xfractint users subscribed to the fractint-development mailing list, so I'm also posting this to the regular fractint users mailing list. If you are reading this on *that* list, please respond directly to me, so as not to clutter up the regular fractint list with answers to a development question. Thanks, Scott D. Boyd -- email: sdboyd@fastlane.net http://www.fastlane.net/~sdboyd/ Introducing Windows 2000 !! -- Now reduced to only 65,000 bugs !! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractlas tiles (backgrounds) Date: 24 Mar 2000 19:20:37 +1200 At 22:08 23/03/2000 -0300, you wrote: >Has any of you had success in designing tiles for backgrounds? I was= lookind >either for sometihing with a minibrot or a nice spiral... Any clues? A good >example is the bitmap that comes with UF... (no, it=B4s not off-topic..= it=B4s >still fractint related...) > They're not minibrots or nice spirals, but I've got some novel tiles out of the Ant type, with a small viewwindow; wrapping at the edges is the default behaviour for these. Fiddle: types 1 and 2 both have potential. Morgan L. Owens "Or start with a minibrot or spiral then ctrl-A an ant over the top." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal tiles for backgrounds Date: 24 Mar 2000 08:57:53 -0500 Hi all, I was considering the question on tiling and looked into my paintshop pro plugins and found a filter series called Filter Factory and under letter U was a filter called center square tiling. I tried it on some of my fractals and was amazed at the results. It is a free download on websites dealing with paintshop pro and photoshop. http://www.pluginhead.i-us.com/ffc_frame.htm It is for photoshop but works fine on paintshop pro If anyone needs help using it I will be glad to help. Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! http://fly.to/boomerangs " Flying Frog Boomerangs" http://www.vstore.com/vstorehardware/flyingfrogtools/ "Flying Frog Tools" http://www.netpath.net/~conally My greater internet index Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: winnetou may Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractlas tiles (backgrounds) Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:49:43 -0800 (PST) First of all, thank you for all your prompt replys. I'm still at school (college), so sme things I could test, others not. The mirror trick is a good idea, I'll try that later, I'm sure I'll have great results from that. The formula and the parameter weren't tested yet, I'm curious about it. The filter for psp is being hunted in the moment, and I'll try it as soon as psp 6 is downloaded (if our nice winNt allws me conventional user to install it). My reason for wanting a nice tile is a site I'm developing and is going to be mentioned in a small student magazine. So, I'm doing a face lift, and I'm telling you all when it's ready. Thanks, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fernando Henrique Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal tiles for backgrounds Date: 24 Mar 2000 23:57:28 -0300 Jim, I just loved your image, now I´m goin to have to explre that nice formula.... thanks Fernando __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 25-03-00 (A Fractal Circle [5]) (c) Date: 25 Mar 2000 01:28:46 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 25, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today, for the fractal of the day, we have a circle -- a fractal circle. I realize that circles are not at all rare in fractals, especially fractals of the Julia type, but the circle in today's picture surrounds a fully-developed Mandelbrot midget, and the circle is so perfect that I just had to make it the FOTD for March 25. The formula that created the circle is Z-(1/Z)+C. Of all the formulae in my vast collection, (and the number of formulae I have filed away on half-forgotten disks is vast indeed), this particular formula is the one that gets the most from the least. Taken separately, each of the two parts does little of interest. Z+C draws a series of concentric circles, while (1/Z)+C draws a vertical string of beads, but combined, the two parts work wonders. Since 1/Z equals Z^(-1), this formula contains a negative exponent, which means that the images it draws will be greatly affected by the bailout radius. In today's picture the bailout has been raised to 10100, a value that has a strange effect on the resulting fractal. I may write a speed-optimized version of this particular expression, and add it to my critical.frm file. Then I could have a Z-(1/Z) month. But for now, we'll just have to make do with the M-Mix4 generalized version. The attached parameter file requires around 11 minutes to render. The JPEG format image file has already been rendered, and has been posted to the Usenet binary group: and to Paul Lee's web site at: The image may be downloaded from either site for easy viewing. The fractal weather today was near perfect for both man and cats. Bright sunshine and a temperature of 66F (19C) kept the cats lounging on the porch all afternoon, and it kept me wishing I had the time to enjoy it. The fractosophy is cooking, philosophy fans. But philosophy of such a high caliber, (IMHO), cannot be hurried. I'll have much to say on the philofractal list perhaps as soon as tomorrow, perhaps not for several days after that. But however it goes, I *will* have a new and improved fractal for tomorrow. Until that magic moment arrives, take care, keep waiting like a child on the day before Christmas, and pardon the rhetoric. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Fractal_Circle { ; Time=0:11:14.32 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.1756676821649493/-1.626528667054578/9.\ 385979e+007/1/7.499 params=1/1/-1/-1/0/10000 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=215 periodicity=10 colors=000lbJi`Hf_Gc_E`YDYXCVXASV9PU8MU6JS4GQ3DQ1AP0\ 8N04N01M00K00K0AD1P8Ac1Js0Sz0_<2>z0cz3ez6fz9f<3>zKly\ NnyQnxUpxXrv_svbtvet<2>epn`skXviQyhMzeGzcCzb8z`Ht_Qe\ Y`QXiCXHeY0z_<3>1zP6zNAzKGzHKzGQzDVzA_z9ez6iz3nz1iz3\ fy3bt3_r3Vl3Sh3Nc3K`3GX3DS3AP38N86MC3KG1KK0JN0HS0HX0\ G`0Ee0Eh0CY4APD8EK66S40N96JCDEEKAJS6M_1Pf0Sn0Vp1Xp3Y\ p4_p6`r<3>CfsDhsEisGksGls<2>KrtMstNtvPvvQxvSyvUzxVzx\ XzxYzxYzx_zt`xrbtncpkekhehefcbh__iXXkSUkPSlKPnGMpDJr\ 9Gs4Ds1At08v04x01y00y00t01p04l08h0Ac0D`1GX6KS9NPCQKE\ UGHXDK_9Nb4Sf1Vi<3>0fv0iy4hpQhhlh_zhSzkUzlVzpXzrYX40\ V80<3>UH0UJ0UM0SP0SQ0SU0QX0QY0<3>Ph0Pk0Nl0Np0Ns0Mt0M\ x0Mz0<3>Nz0Nz0Qz0<10>fz0hz0iz0<4>rz0sz0tz0vz0xz0yz0\ <2>zz1zz4zz9<3>zzMzzQzzU<2>zzczzbzz`zz`zz9<3>zzM } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Conally Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD, 25-03-00 (A Fractal Circle [5]) (c) Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:44:51 -0500 Jim, Your FOTD today looks like a camelia flower with a mandelbrot center! Very nice! At 01:28 AM 03/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >FOTD -- March 25, 2000 (Rating 5) > >Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: > >Today, for the fractal of the day, we have a circle -- a fractal >circle. I realize that circles are not at all rare in fractals, >esp Tom Conally In every boomerang there is a perfect throw. Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice till you find that throw and become one with that boomerang! __________________________________________ Boomerangs http://fly.to/boomerangs Internet Index http://www.netpath.net/~conally/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JWeaver285@aol.com Subject: (fractint) some recent pars ~ Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:24:46 EST Hi All, Here's a few favorites of my recent fractaling. If I've previously sent any of these, please forgive me. Haven't been keeping track here with the new PC(13months) Enjoy~ Jim Weaver ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 3rdCoast.gif { ; image(c)2000 Jim Weaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=log/flip passes=t center-mag=+1.60533291452199800/-1.33498883875210200/1.18619/1/45 params=0/0/0.7541600000000001 float=y maxiter=255 inside=bof60 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000700<11>`00c00d44<13>zzz<3>snNukDsh3qe0<2>kX0aU0<9>I00<8>000300\ 000003005<5>D0KF0MJ0P<3>Q0ZS0`U2cW4d<2>aGhcKieMkgOmiWokYpmbqoesqjusovupw\ xvyzzzyvxwpuvosujqseoqbmpYkoWimOgkMeiKc<2>f8Yd4Wc2U`0S<4>R0IP0GN0GL0C<4>\ B02900700500005<13>00c<15>zzz<15>EEcBBa88Z<2>00S<9>003000022<14>0cc<15>z\ zz<15>0c0<14>030000200500 } Fins { ; image(c)2000 JimWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout13 function=sinh/sqr passes=t center-mag=-0.626395/0.463283/3.369305/1/-12.498 params=1/0/0/0 float=y inside=epsiloncross invert=0.1/-0.4/0 periodicity=0 colors=0000c0<14>030000200<13>`00c00d44<13>zzz<3>snNukDsh3qe0<2>kX0aU0<9\ >I00<8>000300000003005<5>D0KF0MJ0P<3>Q0ZS0`U2cW4d<2>aGhcKieMkgOmiWokYpmb\ qoesqjusovupwxvyzzzyvxwpuvosujqseoqbmpYkoWimOgkMeiKc<2>f8Yd4Wc2U`0S<4>R0\ IP0GN0GL0C<4>B02900700500005<13>00c<15>zzz<15>EEcBBa88Z<2>00S<9>00300002\ 2<14>0cc<15>zzz<14>4d4 } g303004.gif { ; image(c)2000 JimWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=g-3-03-m function=log/conj passes=b center-mag=0.990512/-1.19193/1.94364/1/87.5 params=0.11/0.03/0.4/0 float=y inside=bof60 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000nP0<3>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6J\ K6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<13>4zz<15>zz0<15>z1z<15>000<7>0K00N00Q00T0\ 0W0<3>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<9>oS0 } kchn17a1.gif { ; image(c)2000 JimWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fract196.frm formulaname=inandout04 function=cabs passes=b center-mag=0.0402045/-0.0677868/2.994378/1/-77.5 params=0.9399999999999999/-0.58/100/0 float=y maxiter=255 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000pnnwuu<9>aQH_MDYJ9VF4SD4<5>421445<7>UOFYRG`THdWJfXJ<5>oaI<4>jT\ FiSEhQDgOCfMBeKB<7>Y54X33Y65<13>skYuo`un`<4>riYqhYogX<29>553432221000101\ <18>K4AL4BM5BN6B<25>uaEwcExdEzfFyeF<26>N9CL8CK7CI5BH5AG59F49E4873D<7>214\ 213112000000000<24>325325325436534423<6>jhh } Wave { ; image(c)2000 JimWeaver (etch02z.gif) reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout06 function=atanh/asinh/sin passes=b center-mag=-1.04373304461890100/+0.05870978187343233/1250.463/0.9786/-11\ 5.201/-13.313 params=0/0/0/0 float=y inside=bof60 colors=000yeCxbBu_9sX8oU7lR5<2>ZI2UF1OC1<3>000000<3>O82UA3ZC5cE7hG9lIBoK\ EsMGuOJxQMySPyTSzVVyTSySPxQMuOJsMGoKElIB<2>ZC5UA3O82<3>000000610C21I31O4\ 3U55Z67c7Ah8Dl9HoALsBOuCTxDXyEazFfzGjyFeyEaxDXuCTsBOoALl9Hh8Dc7AZ67U55O4\ 3I31<2>000000500901E02I04<3>Y0I`0Mb0Se0Wg0ai0gj0mj0tk0yj0tj0mi0gg0ae0Wb0\ S`0MY0IU0EQ0AM07I04E02<2>000000300601901<2>I07K0AM0EO0HQ0LS0O<3>V0fW0jV0\ f<2>T0TS0OQ0LO0HM0D<4>901<2>000000<3>602703905<2>C0BD0EE0GE0JF0M<2>G0V<4\ >E0GD0EC0BB09A07<3>401300100<4>000001001002003<7>00E00F00E<6>004640<2>OG\ 0UK0ZO0cS0hW0lZ0ob0sf0uj0xn0yr0yv0zz0yv0yr0xn0uj0sf0ob0lZ0<2>ZO0UK0OG0<3\ >000000<2>I90OC1UF1ZI2cL3hO4lR5oU7sX8u_9xbB<2>zjFzhE } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 26-03-00 (End of the Tunnel [5]) (c) Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:20:02 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 26, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's fractal is titled "End of the Tunnel", which originally was short for "Light at the End of the Tunnel". But when I realized that the end of the tunnel in this image is total darkness, I dropped the 'light' part of the name. It would not have fit in the allotted space anyway. The midget in the scene is a midget of one of the lowest orders of all time -- 1.09. The complete formula is (Z^1.09)*(C^0.7)+C. Yes, I realize that the Z^1.09 Mandeloid has no midgets, so where then does the midget in today's image come from? Actually, it is the midget on the negative tail of the Z^1.09 Mandeloid. Yes, I also realize that the Z^1.09 Mandeloid has no negative tail. This is where the JimsCompMand formula comes in handy. This formula is a simple generalization of the cmplxmarksmand formula, which splits the M-set along its negative axis. When applied to the Z^1.09 figure, the JimsCompMand formula splits the negative X-axis, bringing the previously buried midget on the negative tail out from its imaginary hiding place. But the process is not quite as simple as it first appears. By the time the exponent has been reduced to 1.09, the midget has shrunk to the point of invisibility, making it necessary to track the midget as the exponent is gradually reduced. The final result is today's picture. I could have tracked the midget much farther down, but below the 1.09 exponent of today's picture, the midget degenerates into a lopsided oval, while the surrounding features become so finely divided that they form little more than a sandy background. Today's midget has some interesting textures along its border. I'll be investigating this area tomorrow, and if I find anything of interest, it will appear as the FOTD. Requiring 15 minutes to render on a modest Pentium, the para- meter file is a bit on the slow side. Instant relief can be found by going to: where the finished image has been posted. The image is also available at: The fractal weather, for anyone who actually cares about the local weather, was partly cloudy and quite warm today. It was unusually muggy, with an evening thunder-shower. The cats must have approved of the 68F (20C) temperature, because they passed the middle of the day lounging in their chairs on the porch. There is no fractal philosophy today -- it's not finished cooking yet. But the odds are 40 percent that I'll have it ready by tomorrow, (80 percent by the next day). Until next time, take care, and keep your fractals up. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ End_of_the_Tunnel { ; time=0:15:01.30 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=jim.frm formulaname=JimsCompMand passes=1 center-mag=-1.1486864985/0.2740245946/1424.552/1/60 params=1.09/0/0.7/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=18000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=71 periodicity=10 colors=000zzzzzzzzzwzzuzzpzzmyzhvzfuzcszapw<2>UlsSjr\ OhnMfmKelHcjGaf<3>GV`GUXHSVHQUHOSHMOHKMHHKHGHHDGKBBK\ 99K77K44K20K00K00K00M00K00<3>K00K00K00<2>K00K00K02K0\ 2K04K04K07K07K09K09K09K0BK0BK0DK0DK0G<2>K0HK0KK0KK0K\ K0MK0MK0OK0OK0QK0QK0SK0SK0SK0UK0UK0VK0VK0XK0XK0ZK0ZK\ 0`<2>K0aK0aK0cK0cK0e<2>K0fK0fK0hK0hK0jK0jK0l<2>K0mH0\ jK0lK0m<3>K0sK0uK0vK2wK4y<3>KDzKDzKGzKHz<3>KQzKQzHSz\ HSzHSzHUz<3>HVzHVzHVzHXzHXzHXzHZzHZzHZzHZzH`z<3>HazH\ azHczHczHczHczHez<3>HfzHfzHfzHhzHhzHhzHjzHjzHjzHjyHl\ yHlyHlyHmw<3>HnvHnvHnvHpvHpuHpuHruHruHrs<2>HssHsrHur\ <2>HurDrsBns9ms7js4fs4au2cs2cs2es<2>2fs2fs2hs2hs2js2\ js2ls<3>2mr2nr2nr2nr2pr2pr2rr2rr2sr2sr0sp0up<3>0wp0w\ p0wp0yp0yp0zp0zp0zn<3>0zn0zn2zn4zn7zn<4>7zn } frm:JimsCompMand {; Jim Muth z=c=pixel: z=z^p1*(c^p2)+c, |z| <= p3+100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neko Subject: (fractint) ftod v4? Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:16:48 +0900 well, it's been just about a year since the last archive of jim muth's fotd was done. is anyone working on an archive of this years .pars? if no one else is i might do it if les st. claire's willing to have it there with the rest of them, but i'm going on vacation to the states starting april first (which means a 36-hour april fools day for me, whee), and won't get back til the 25th or so, so it might be a while. how where the last three compiled? -- neko *meow* "capital letters were always the best way of dealing with things you didn't have a good answer to." -- douglas adams Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 27-03-00 (Color-Blind [6]) (c) Date: 27 Mar 2000 01:20:50 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 27, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Standing alone, the expression 1/Z+C or Z^(-1)+C is another of those unlikely ones, which would never be expected to draw anything of interest. But when it is bracketed such as, Z^(-0.9)-Z^(-1.1), and the difference multiplied by a factor of 12 before adding C, some unusual things happen. Today's striking fractal illustrates one of these unusual things. It is probably the most effective midget I have yet discovered in the fractal land of negative exponents. True, the typical bits and pieces are there, but they are arranged into a quite effective pattern surrounding the central midget, which is emphasized by the somewhat gaudy color palette. I named the picture "Color Blind" when I noticed that it resembles those multi-colored dot-filled pictures with numbers hidden in the colors that are used to test for color-blindness. Actually, the term color-blindness is a misnomer, for color- blind people do not live in a world of black and white, but rather they perceive colors differently from those with so-called normal color vision. (Normal color perception is considered normal mainly because that type of perception happens to prevail in the greatest percentage of individuals.) The parameter file takes all of 23 minutes to render on a P200. A download of the image takes all of a minute or two. That download may be found on Usenet at: and on the W.W.W. at: The fractal weather was ideal for cats and humans today, the sunny skies and temperature of 64F (18C) being near (dare I say it) purrfect. The fractal hunting also went pretty well. The philosophy however did not fare so well, as I failed to find either the time or the enthusiasm. However, the chance is still 40 percent that I'll philosophize tomorrow, and 80 percent that I'll do it the next day. And of course the chance is 99.995 percent that I'll be here again tomorrow with another fractal midget surrounded by decorations of the most extraordinary kind. Until then, take care, and think fractal thoughts. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Color-Blind { ; time=0:22:55.28 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-.5453852975588392/-.6624065836535223/3.7\ 42527e+011/1/37.499/0.001 params=1/-0.9/-1/-1.1/11/0 float=y maxiter=2600 inside=0 logmap=417 colors=0002mh5oj7qlAtoEvqGytJzvNzxQzzTzzWzzSzzNzxJyt\ FvqBtm<2>0je0ha0eZ0aW0ZT0YS<2>0QT4NT9MVEJVJHVPFVVEW`\ BWfAWm7Wt6Wy02q00j00c00W40Q90KE0EJ0<2>0`0<2>0t00o04j\ 2Fe5Q`9cWCqSGmHMj9SfP`cfhazqPejCMe35`23Y00W<3>00Q00P\ 00N00M00K30J60H90GB0GF0FH0EM0CP0CS0BW0AZ29a39Z4CY5GW\ 5JT6NS6QQ7VP9YM9aKAeJAjHBmFCrECvCEzBEzFByHAvK9qN7mQ6\ jT5eW4aZ2Za0Ve0Sh0Pl0Ko0Hr0FrCQrYaq`WqaQqcKqfGqhBoj6\ ol2oo0<2>ot0lr0<2>ar0Zr3Yr6VrASrEPzeMrMJrQHrTEqWBqY9\ oZ6o`4ma2mc0me0lf0lh0jj0jl0hm0ho0hqKTmzFj0TN5fAVv0xz\ 0rY3o4Hf3F`2EV0BP0AH09C06705304v0Cy0Mz5VzGczTmzexzWh\ xPVtHHoB6l50fH2aW7ZjEE0xC0tB0rB0oA0m90l90h70f60c60a5\ 0`40Y40W30T20S20Q60SA0TE3VH7WMCY<2>ZTacZchee<2>xyjzz\ jvzloxm<2>WmrQmtKmvFmx<2>0mz0mz0mzBmzEmz<2>JmzKmzNmz\ PmzQmzTmzVmzWmzQmzMmzGmzCmz7mz4mz0mz0mzEmzZmzcmz0mz<\ 2>0mz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 28-03-00 (Globules with Auras [4]) (c) Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:45:04 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 28, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today's image is another picture of a ghost scene -- one of those images that isn't really there, but can be made manifest by the application of bof60 inside fill. This fill colors the inside, (and that's all there is in today's image), according to how close in their travels the points come to the origin. (Or maybe it's which iteration comes closest to the origin. I can never keep these two inside options straight.) Regardless, the picture is moderately interesting -- interesting enough to earn a somewhat conservative rating of 4, which equals a little below average on my 0-10 scale of fractal worth. I have named the picture "Globules with Auras" -- a name that describes the scene with reasonable accuracy. I'll not offer an opinion of whether the traditional auras actually exist around living objects. Skeptics are convinced that auras do not exist, since science has not been able to observe them. Those who can see auras do not trouble themselves with the inability of science to observe the mystic glows. These people know that auras do exist. Unfortunately, they cannot convince the scientists that the auras they see are real. Auras might not be real, but today's image most certainly is real, and it has been posted in JPEG format to: and to: from where it may be downloaded in 1/20 the time it would take to run the attached parameter file. The fractal weather was sunny in the morning and cloudy all afternoon. A steady rain set in at 4pm, which is still falling. The temperature of 64F (18C) was acceptable to the cats, though they would have preferred something quite a bit warmer. The fractosophy is still cooking. It might be ready tomorrow or it might not. The only way to know for sure will be to check back then and see what happens. Until next time, take care, and good luck with your fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ GlobulesWith_Auras { ; time=0:20:57.74 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=mandelbrotmix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=17.3749/2.38687/113.2141 params=1/-0.9/-1/-0.5/60/1e+100 float=y maxiter=1800 bailout=25 inside=bof60 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000zzQzwQztQyqQxnQ<3>tjQsiQrhQ<3>mdQkbQibQ<2>\ a`Pe_P<3>ZYOYYOYXO<21>JLLILLHKL<8>BFGBFGAEE<6>5AD5AD\ 49D<2>28D17D08C17B276371370470000000000UQ6_Vccdicgoc\ jvchz<4>ccz<2>cazd`zdZze_z<3>gXzgWzhVz<5>kUzkUzlUz<2\ 2>mUzmUzmUz<2>mUzmUzmUxmQvmMtmIslDskBs<2>hDsgDsfEqeE\ s<3>fG_fHY<45>kbXkcXkcXkdXkdX<27>UeFTeETeE<2>ReCQeBP\ gA<6>TaBcbQcbQ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 29-03-00 (Fractal Tuesday [5]) (c) Date: 29 Mar 2000 00:54:04 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 29, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: It was a very busy day, which is still not quite wrapped up, so I'll have to be brief. I named today's fractal marvel "Fractal Tuesday". I gave it this undistinguished name because it is a fractal and I found it on a Tuesday. The image is another of those unexpected things that appears when two powers of Z in the vicinity of 1/Z are combined. The picture earns a notably average rating of 5 on my 0-to-10 scale of fractal worthiness. The parameter file takes a very average 16 minutes to run, and the average image file has been posted as usual to: and to: The weather was cool and unsettled today, with a temperature of 58F (14.5C) and squally showers. This mixture kept the cats indoors. The philosophy got nowhere, but I'll try again tomorrow to surprise and delight. Until then, take care, and don't get caught in a fractal squall. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Tuesday { ; time=0:16:17.18 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=mandelbrotmix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-3.236626568347166/+4.136236081097416/1.4\ 30192e+010/1/32.5 params=1/-0.96/-1/-1.01/111/0 float=y maxiter=2000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=300 symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=0008AJ8AJAALCANFAPJARKATPAV<2>YA`WAacAcfAedBg\ kDi<3>eKmdLnYIeaPp_QqZSrYTr<7>XdjXeiXgh<3>Xle<6>RXWQ\ VUPSTOQRNOQ<3>KJNJIMIIM<3>EEKDEJCDJ<3>9AH<3>LVKO_KRe\ L<3>byN<3>kbImXGoSFqMEsHD<5>uRGvTGvVH<3>w`I<3>URbMOh\ FMm7Jr0Hw<7>8MU9NRANN<3>EP9Ylg<3>WnQVnMVoHUoDUo9<5>S\ Y8RV8RS8<2>QJ8QG8PFA<3>LBFKAHJ9II9J<3>GRUGVXF_ZFcaFg\ c<6>7LV6IU5ES<3>12OS9HqGA<2>hJOfKTbLX<2>SNfPLfOJfNHf\ MFfNDf<3>V5nX4oZ5n`5mb5mc6kd6i<2>i7dk7cm8`<3>uASwAPx\ BNyBL<3>zDBzE9zE7zJ8zUPycU<3>ugk<4>ulf<2>uod<3>SsfKt\ fDuf<3>My_OzYQzW<3>YzP_zOazMczKezJ<2>ZzQXzSVzT<2>_zW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: (fractint) Attn Les St Clair Date: 29 Mar 2000 14:28:16 -0500 Have you updated your par listings lately? T H A N K Y O U James R. McKenzie jimmckenzie@earthlink.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 30-03-00 (Fractal Wednesday [7]) (c) Date: 29 Mar 2000 23:47:33 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 30, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Another very busy day brings another fractal named after the day of the week on which I found the image. Since I am writing this on a Wednesday evening, and I found the image about 4 hours ago, I have named the picture "Fractal Wednesday". The iterated formula is 1/Z-Z+C -- a simple expression that exceeds itself in the variety of images it produces. The image has been colored so that it resembles a neon-illuminated billboard, and then posted to: and to: The day's weather was mostly sunny with a temperature of 57F (14C), which was good enough for the fractal cats to venture out of doors. The philosophy continued cooking in the average weather, but unfortunately it is still only cooking. Nothing concrete has yet emerged from my latest round of pondering. I'll have a lot better luck with my philosophy when I get a chance to relax and let my thoughts drift with the flow. This could happen as soon as tomorrow, when I'll return with another great single-layer fractal. Until then, take care, and beware of counterfeit fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Wednesday { ; time=0:17:26.76 SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.101462023568/-2.666481070669/2222190/1\ /-60 params=1/-1/-1/1/0.015/1000000 float=y maxiter=1200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=314 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000zcFcPH<2>ZPOAAA<4>AAA2qU<17>BnhBniCnj<2>Dn\ mDnmFkh<3>N_SPXORUK<3>YJ3<11>LHTKHVJHX<3>FFfEFhDFjCF\ lBFnAFp<3>EBdEAaF9ZG8WH7TF6QA5N<2>A2EA1CA2E<4>F3MG3O\ H3QI3RJ3T<9>K4iK4jK4l<2>K4qK4rM6s<19>lTynUyoVy<2>sYz\ tZzuYy<20>yGmyFlzEl<2>zCkzBjzCh<6>yKSxMQxNN<3>xRFxSD\ xTAxU8Y`D7gIEfm<3>WaP_`Jb_L<3>mXVpXXsW_vVaxVc<3>bPhX\ NiSMjNLk<4>XIpZHq`Gr<3>hEvjEwlDxnDypCzhDy`Dx<3>7Dz<1\ 7>bLzdLzeMz<3>lNz<3>fOz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) ftod v4? Date: 30 Mar 2000 00:58:07 -0600 neko wrote: > > well, it's been just about a year since the > last archive of jim muth's fotd was done. > is anyone working on an archive of this years > .pars? if no one else is i might do it if > les st. claire's willing to have it there with > the rest of them, ...... If you need all of them, then I can send you whatever you need. I have just about every email posted to this discussion list (and to the other lists as well). Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neko Subject: Re: (fractint) ftod v4? Date: 30 Mar 2000 20:07:27 -0500 uh, you, er, i think, wrote this: > If you need all of them, then I can send you whatever you need. I have > just about every email posted to this discussion list (and to the other > lists as well). well it's not a matter of not being able to get them (yet; i don't know how long jim will keep them on the server), it's just a matter of someone making a compilation. i'm currently going through the first two years with partobat, for instance. -- -- neko *meow* "capital letters were always the best way of dealing with things you didn't have a good answer to." -- douglas adams Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 31-03-00 (Fractal Thursday [5]) (c) Date: 31 Mar 2000 00:07:07 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- March 31, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I lied again. Yes, I told an untruth yesterday when I said that I would have more time today to devote to my FOTD discussion. My excuse is that things stayed busy, and enjoying money as I do, I devoted most of my time to work that, in contrast to finding fractals, is not much fun but pays well. Being short of time, I devoted the little time I did have to scrounging up an acceptable single-layer fractal, which I named "Fractal Thursday" because I found it on a Thursday and had no chance to meditate to find a better name. Following an intuitive hunch, I entered the rather ridiculous parameters into the M-Mix4 formula and let it rip. The formula subtracts 1000 parts of Z^0.001 from Z. The result was today's picture, a scene featuring the obligatory quadratic midget surrounded by decoration that vaguely resembles a forest on another world. The near 10-minute render time is a bit too slow for all but the most patient fractalists. This slowness makes a trip to: or to: to pick up the pre-rendered image, far more efficient. The weather today was typical for this part of the world at this time of year -- partly cloudy skies and a temperature of 62F (16.5C). These conditions must have been ideal for the cats, since they spent nearly the entire day on the porch. Once again the philosophy failed to materialize, once again disappointing the philosophy-starved masses. If the work slacks off tomorrow, I'll philosophize then; if not, I'll philosophize later. But regardless, I'll have a great fractal ready. Check in then to see the awe-inspiring scene that will be revealed. And until then, take care, and don't let fractals go to your head. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Thursday { ; time=0:09:45.12, SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=1000.96307764/1.46922138142/15051.99/1/-20 params=1/1/-1000/0.001/0/100000 float=y maxiter=3500 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=162 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000YI0YI0<3>eQ0gS0iU1cW7ZWDTWJOWP<4>DPKBNK9MJ\ 7LD5JH3IG1GG<3>_3C<7>lD8nE7oG7<3>uK5tI4tC3s7J<8>uSBu\ UAuW9<3>ud6<3>sWEsUGsSIrQKrOMrMOoSUmX_<4>b_k__nY`p<3\ >Qay<9>VEVWBSW9P<3>Y0DODDFQD<3>SRCVRCYRC`RC<7>dMGdLG\ eLH<2>fJIfJIeML<4>e`Xdc_dfa<2>doidqkcrg<3>_uSZuOYvK<\ 3>Uy4mm1zmKtcPoZTjcY<3>Qcn<3>OcgOceNcdNcbwc`<3>wcVwc\ TrcS<3>ZcNUcLWcK<2>`cHZWGYVGWUG<3>QYFPZFN_F<2>JbFIcF\ GbHFaJD`KCgM<3>6oT4qU3sW1uYAwZYyRFzF<3>Sz9Vz8Yz7<3>M\ zgJzpMzm<8>fzNizKkzH<3>tz6<3>izTfzZczd<2>WzuUzzTzy<7\ >RztRzsRzr<3>QzpTzW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 01-04-00 (Fractal Friday [7]) (c) Date: 01 Apr 2000 00:29:35 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- April 01, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Another busy day brings another hasty discussion, which will sorely disappoint those waiting with bated breath for the secrets of the universe to be revealed. But luckily for fractal fans the haste does not show in the quality of the fractal, which rates a 7 on my scale of fractal worth. The unlikely formula this time is 36(Z^100)-72(Z^0.01)+C -- another expression that at first glance appears unlikely to draw anything more than a boring circle, but is full of surprises when Z is initialized to a critical point. Unable to find a proper name for today's picture, I once again named it after the day of the week on which I found the scene. In this case I named the picture "Fractal Friday". At a run time of 17 minutes, the parameter file is somewhat slow, making a download the wiser choice. The image may be found waiting to be downloaded at: and at The fractal weather today was near perfect. Not a cloud was seen, and the temperature of 59F (15C) was perfect. Not so perfect was my failure to philosophize. As has been the case most of this week, my excuse is that I was too busy. That excuse will be worn out by tomorrow however, when I should have some interesting words of wisdom. Check then to see what happens. Until next time, take care, and if everyone agreed on everything, we would have no need for philosophy. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Friday { ; time=0:17:05.18, SF5 on a p200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 9 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=mandelbrotmix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+72.4291127142115/+0.0334509077606721/3.1\ 59592e+008/1/97.506/-0.009 params=1/100/-2/0.01/35/0 float=y maxiter=1800 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=282 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000ifEifF<3>LZLBXN5VO5QQ5MR5IS<13>XDGZDF`DE<3\ >hCB<13>taUucVudX<2>xj`ylazlaymbymbxnbync<3>zsdzudzv\ dzxe<3>vwfuvftvgsugrvguxh<16>Jb`Ha_F`_<2>8XY6WY2Va<2\ >8VRAjNCwKElGFcD<3>TfKXgM_gNbhPfiRiiS<2>snX<9>RPcONd\ LKd<2>CDf9Ag69i<14>J7QJ7PK7O<2>N7KN7JM8K<6>HCQGDRFDR\ <2>DFUCGV9HT<6>UFeXFg_Fi<3>jFp<9>TESSEQQEO<2>LEGJEEF\ 58<3>PbMRkQVtR<4>Lp`JobHnd<3>All<3>R`TVYP_VK<3>oJ1<3\ >rVBsYDs`F<2>pcM<2>nrTnwVmzY<3>jzfjzhizj<3>fzshzy<4>\ _zf } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"