From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: Re: (fractint) Bug report & truecolor. Date: 01 Oct 2000 07:09:48 -0500 >>The passes= parameter is forced to passes=1 for any resolution over >>2048x2048. Or, at least it's supposed to be. Floating point is also >>forced. > This isn't true. If you are forcing passes=t with a resolution greater than 2048x2048, please tell me how you are doing it. I can't do it on my machine, but I'm too familiar with the code and don't often think outside-the-box. > Also, since even a 32768x256 strip of the image can fit in a > modern machine's RAM easily, even the existing system should allow guessing > in truly "disk" disk-video -- except if the image strip affected on a single > line of the first pass won't fit in RAM. Machine memory isn't the issue here. The problem is that the tesseral, boundary tracing, and solid guessing routines use a local array of size 2048, and therefore break with resolutions above 2048. Which is why passes=1 is forced. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain G. Stirling" Subject: (fractint) PARS: outside=fmod Date: 01 Oct 2000 16:41:12 +0100 Hello all, For those of you who follow the developer's versions of Fractint, here is a little parameter file which shows what the outside=fmod option, added in the latest developer's release (20.1.0), can do. Or at least, it shows what I can make it do - I'm sure those who are more artistic than me can make something alot better... Iain. -------------- Enclosure number 1 ---------------- outside_fmod1 { ; Test of outside=fmod with 'mod' bailout ; Iain G. Stirling ; 5:16.48 at 1024 x 768 on P133 reset=2001 type=julia passes=1 corners=0.19279681/0.31113281/0.512317611/0.601069611 params=-0.73875882455701181/0.1409069307481326 float=y maxiter=120 inside=fmod proximity=0.0075 outside=fmod colors=zzz<254>000 } outside_fmod2 { ; Test of outside=fmod with 'real' bailout ; Iain G. Stirling ; 0:14.61 at 1024 x 768 on P133 reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 corners=-5.94/4.94/-4.08/4.08 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=120 bailout=100 bailoutest=real inside=fmod proximity=100 outside=fmod colors=000257<17>112111111<3>000zzz<88>eeNeeNddM<3>ccKK`h<17>CWdCVdBVd<1\ 12>267 } outside_fmod3 { ; Test of outside=fmod with 'imag' bailout ; Iain G. Stirling ; 0:26.19 at 1024 x 768 on P133 reset=2001 type=julia4 passes=1 corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 params=0.027272727272727251/0.81218592964824088 float=y maxiter=20 bailout=1000 bailoutest=imag inside=fmod proximity=0.1 outside=fmod colors=5FK555<3>SSSYYYccc<3>zzz<103>CWdCVdBVd<137>000 } outside_fmod4 { ; Test of outside=fmod with 'or' bailout ; Iain G. Stirling ; 5:38.89 at 1024 x 768 on P133 reset=2001 type=phoenix passes=1 center-mag=0.0209813/0.696859/3.464317/0.9999 params=0.56667/-0.5/0 maxiter=75 bailoutest=or inside=fmod proximity=0.1 outside=fmod colors=zzz<114>CWdCVdBVd<137>000 } outside_fmod5 { ; test of outside=fmod with 'manh' bailoutest ; Iain G. Stirling ; 6:13.11 at 1024 x 768 on P133 reset=2001 type=julia passes=1 center-mag=0.456426/0.227638/10.87824 params=0.3/0.02 float=y maxiter=200 bailoutest=manh inside=fmod proximity=0.07 outside=fmod colors=zzz<254>000 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." Subject: Re: (fractint) Linux version of Fractint? Date: 01 Oct 2000 16:03:53 -0400 > I was a Fractint fanatic when I was running DOS, many moons ago. Since leaving > DOS behind and moving to Linux a number of years ago, I've not had a > fractalling fix; the duotone blue/black fractals that xfractint provides in 32 > bpp colour are a non-starter. You should be able to start a second X server in 8-bit mode on another virtual console and run fractint on that. It shouldn't need an outrageous amount of memory because you don't need to run a window manager on it unless you really want to. -- "[W]hether or not [the Philadelphia Experiment] happened in 1943 is not relevant. It is, for us, like the 'flying saucer' a gedankenexperiment to get us to the next step in post-Einsteinian unified field theory." -Dr. Jack Sarfatti, in http://stardrive.org/Jack/algebra.pdf Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 02-10-00 (For All Eternity [7]) Date: 02 Oct 2000 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 02, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: It was another rushed and hectic day here at Fractal Central, but despite the lack of time, I managed to find a fractal image worthy of being named FOTD for October 2. The expression 0.1Z^(-100)-10(1/Z)+C was iterated by the M-Mix4 formula to produce the fractal in which today's decorative midget lies. I named the picture "For All Eternity" when, while studying the scene, I had the thought that this midget, which almost certainly has never before been seen, always has existed, and always will exist. I rated the image a 7, mostly because I rather admire the yellowish string of features that outlines the pattern around the midget. With a draw time of almost 8 minutes, the parameter file is slow enough to make a download of the image the more efficient way of viewing the eternal scene. The image may be retrieved from: or from: With a temperature of 71F (22C), the fractal weather today was perfect for cats. The fractal cats however enjoyed far too little time outdoors. A can of tuna this evening eased their exercise frustration. Well, I see it's once again time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a day. I'll return tomorrow with more goodies but little philosophy, since the continuing rush will still not allow me enough time for a proper ponder. Until then, take care, and where were you when they discovered the Mandelbrot set? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ For_All_Eternity { ; time=0:07:56.00 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.05124194981011652/0/6.820408e+010 params=1/-100/-100/-1/-0.9/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=0 logmap=67 symmetry=xaxis periodicity=10 colors=000DFPPGKSGZcKqjJoqInyyNYoQ7fS<3>AYGBWDBUA<3>\ `mHfrIdaXbMja6x<3>fXmhcjijhjqekwc<3>LnQElN8jK<2>vfz<\ 2>G7M<3>iWSqaUxgV<3>cPjZKnUGrPBvK7z<3>SXtUcsWirRPnM5\ k<3>`6Vc6Rg6Nj6JCB5Y8D`PF<3>mCJp9KTdh<3>fNXiJUmERpAO\ _5F<3>k6Jn6Kq6Ly`l<2>tDSyZR<3>uFNwAMyBE<3>z7Jz6Kz`gy\ IC<3>uBIt9Js7KrC8qADp8HFVh<3>_IXdFUiCRn9OAsb<3>`RSfK\ QmDNjL7oDE2r1Ka8aMFX`5<3>oCIRQ3`J9jCFqjH<2>rUJ<2>sXL\ 2YjlZdp_VP`UXaJ_bkicYce3<3>pmIXo_<3>owO`yZ<3>pzN9zG<\ 3>XzJbzKhzKnzL8z6pzDqzGrzJDz0<3>ezElzIlz0<3>pzCqzFrz\ IWze<3>gzVjzSmzQpzNmzJ<2>rzLfz9<3>mzFozHpzIrzKqzG7zY\ <3>WzRazPgzOmzMBzd<3>dzRlzONzn<3>mzR0z_<2>ezOGzL_zLy\ znJzkBzr3zyBzw } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 03-10-00 (Missing Minibrot [6]) Date: 02 Oct 2000 20:51:19 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 03, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The good news is that I'm within a few hours of clearing the work backlog; the bad news is that today's FOTD is an extremely slow one. Only the stout-hearted will try to run the parameter file of today's FOTD -- the thing takes almost 13 hours to render. This slowness is a result of my choosing a deep scene that requires arbitrary precision math. But there is no cause for alarm, for in my compassion I have posted the file of the GIF image to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The image is also available on the Web at the URL: The image is a scene of very large magnitude -- a second-order midget located quite deep in Elephant Valley of the M-set. The midget at the center is virtually invisible, which is why I named the picture "Missing Minibrot". The rating of 6 could have been a 7 had I not made the colors a bit too gaudy. The fractal weather here at Fractal Central was once again perfect today, with partly cloudy skies and a temperature of 74F (23C), which would have pleased the fractal cats had they gotten the chance to go outdoors to enjoy it. The work rush cut my pondering time even more than it cut the cats' outdoor time. But I'll finish the work mess this evening and have more time tomorrow to relax and ponder. And when I ponder, ponderous things sometimes happen. So check back tomorrow, when there's a good chance of finding philosophy. Until then, take care, and be as quiet as a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Missing_Minibrot {; time=12:47:54.18 -- SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 14 reset=2000 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=0.2505307373109899737584556/-1.9531207776\ 1045477871e-5/3.607446e+020/1/-57.295/-0.544 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=50000 bailout=25 inside=0 symmetry=none periodicity=10 sound=off colors=000n53p53s51u51u51w60zB0zD0<2>zQ0zV0zX0zQ0zJ0\ uD0p66l53g53c53c53e53e53g51g51g51j51j51l51l50n50n50p\ 60p80p80sB0sD0uD0uF0wH0wH0zJ0zM0zM0zO0zQ0zQ0zS0zV0zV\ 0zX0z_0z_0za0zd3zd8zdCz_HzVLwVQlVQaVQQ_QEaQ6dQHfQQhV\ ajLljClf6la0lX3lV8lVCnVHqVLuVQzSVzS_wSclVgaVlQVrEXs3\ Xs0Xs0_n0_j0_g1_e6acAaaCa_HdXLdVNdQSdNXfL_fJcfHghEjh\ CnhAsh6uj3zj1zj0zl0zl0zl0<2>zf0za0<24>za0<4>za0zd0zd\ 0zd0zf0zf0zf0zh0zh0zh0zl0zj0zh0zd0z_0wV0<3>eD0a80eB0\ gF3lJApM8uQ3zV1zQ0zM3zH8zDCu8Hp5Ll5Ng5Nc5L_6LV8JQBJL\ BHHDHEFEHFELHCNJCQMAVMAXO8_Q6cQ6iS3mV3qX1tY1u_0ua0tb\ 0pd0<3>QM0JH0CD1683058<2>05L05L05L05J05J05H05H05H15E\ 35E66C86CC8CEBAHDAJD8LF8QH8SH6VJ6XM3aO3cO3eQ1gS1lV0n\ V0pX0s_0wa0za0zd0zf1zh3<3>zH3uB3p53l53h53j53l53 } END PARAMETER FILE========================================= Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Faye Sutherland Subject: (fractint) "help" Date: 03 Oct 2000 01:45:05 -0400 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) "help" Date: 03 Oct 2000 00:51:46 -0500 Faye Sutherland wrote: > > What kind of assistance are you requiring ?? P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) "help" Date: 03 Oct 2000 07:39:31 EDT I'd love to, but you'll have to be a bit more specific. :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 04-10-00 (Pods From Space [8]) Date: 03 Oct 2000 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 04, 2000 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today I finally cleared the backup from the week I took off. I celebrated by devoting extra effort to today's fractal image. The formula that was used is once again the MandelbrotMix4; the iterated expression is -1Z^(-11)-1Z^(1.1)+(1/C), an obviously whimsical choice. I puzzled a few minutes before deciding that the picture shows an army of space pods descending on a defenseless Minibrot. These pods are not the ones that take over human bodies; these pods take over Mandelbrot sets. And if the brilliantly illuminated midget at the center of today's scene doesn't get out of the way in a hurry, he'll soon find himself changed into a pod. When I recognized the attacking pods, I named the picture "Pods From Space". After all, space is the only place such pods could possibly be found. I rated the picture a much above average 8, mostly because I wanted to reward myself for the effort I put into the image. I used the passes=b algorithm for today's image. Not only is it the fastest, at least in this image, but it is by far the most fun to watch in action. I especially enjoy the way the Mandelbrot outline appears out of nowhere with no hint that it is coming. The parameter file renders in only 54 seconds, and running it is the only way to see the scene being drawn. But although I recommend running the parameter file, the finished GIF image is available as always at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at the URL: The fractal weather today was like mid-summer, with a temperature of 86F (30C) and a hot sun. The fractal cats, who finally had their full day outdoors, approved of the conditions. The philosophy also made good progress this afternoon, as I pondered a topic as deep as the nature of reality, which really is the basic philosophical question. It will take a day or two to organize and write my thoughts, but when the wisdom is ready to enlighten or irritate, nothing will hold it back. And now, after such an active day, I'm exhausted. It's time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a day. If I'm lucky I'll find a junky old movie to put on the TV, which will enable me to miss the overblown presidential debate. But there's no debating that I'll be here again tomorrow with perhaps an even better fractal. Until then, take care, and the best fractals are yet to come. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Pods_From_Space { ; time=0:00:54.60 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=b center-mag=+2.50163790851569300/+2.32612668523780600\ /72.54889/1/72.5 params=-1/-11/-1/1.1/0/0 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=25 inside=maxiter logmap=14 periodicity=10 colors=000CD4ED4<3>VC4ZC4aC4cC5eC5<2>kM5nP5qR5<2>za5\ I0AL0BO5C<2>XEF_HGbJF<3>jV6lX4l_9<3>fhSekWcm`bod<3>d\ kaej`ej`fk_fl_<3>hmXhmWimWimVimVMmdMmbMmaMmX<4>MmOMm\ MMmK<3>MmE<4>NmRNmUNmW<3>Nme<10>lmVnmUpmT<3>ymQ<10>T\ mOQmONmO<3>CmO<3>QmbUmfXmj_mmumi<3>mmnkmoimpgmqfmr<2\ >PmK<3>ImBHm9Fm7<2>Bm1<3>Qm5hmm<3>rmmummwmm<3>wmiwmh\ wrg<2>wrd_rLCr2Er5Fr8GwB<3>MwMNwOOwRQwURzXSzZ<12>SzX\ SzXSzX<2>SzXSzXRzZ<2>QzdCzV<15>XzHYzHZzG<3>czD<17>kz\ ikzklzl<3>mzsMzIMzDMz8Mz3Oz4Qz40z0zzs } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Subject: (fractint) updated web site Date: 04 Oct 2000 09:51:27 -0400 After a very long absence it looks like I am back to creating some images. I put up a new gallery dedicated to the season, and also updated my Chebyshev pages with 24 new images. I invite your visit and I hope you enjoy it. I uploaded a slightly augmented gfp.ufm formula file to the database and made it available at my web site too. It is needed for some of the parameters on the new and updated pages. Gedeon FRACTALS: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Last updated: October 4, 2000 Member Infinite Fractal Loop Artist member of Fractal Art Museum Enterprise http://www.crosswinds.net/~fractalis/ PHOTOGRAPHY: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: July 10, 2000 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 05-10-00 (Dingbats [6]) Date: 05 Oct 2000 00:42:58 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 05, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I expected to have an easy day today, but an unexpected rush job came in from the Kung-Fu customer, which kept me busy all afternoon. As a result, I had to totally forego the planned philosophical discussion -- and that's reality. But I still managed to find a respectable fractal, which I now present as the FOTD for October 05, 2000. A dingbat is one of those old-fashioned decorative ornaments, often resembling leaves on twisting vines, that in the past were used in printing to mark chapter beginnings, etc. Something about today's image reminds me of one of those ornaments, so I named the picture "Dingbats". The image rates a 6. I cannot give it more than that after spending only 10 minutes locating and coloring the scene. The midget at the center is fully resolved -- the distortion is caused by the exponent of Z, which is 2.01 instead of 2. The image was calculated by the MandelbrotBC formula, which draws scenes in the more remote parts of the infinite hyperspirals created by fractional powers of Z. The render time of 10 minutes makes a download of the GIF image file the wiser choice. That download may be found on Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and on the web at: The fractal weather today was sunny, warm and humid, with a temperature of 88F (31C), which was more like July than October. The fractal cats showed little eagerness to go outdoors in the afternoon heat, which was convenient, as I had little time to let them go out. The philosophy about the nature of reality went nowhere. The day has now ended with a whimper instead of a bang. It's time to shut down the fractal shoppe, comfort the cats, and call it an evening. Until tomorrow, take care, and where did these things we call fractals come from? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Dingbats { ; time=0:10:46.60 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=branchct.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC passes=1 center-mag=-0.93122846901060440/+0.08188815727122345\ /1.535833e+009/1/-2.5 params=2.01/0/32/0 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=251 periodicity=10 colors=00000`00`00a00c<2>14h42i71k90lB0nE0n<2>L0sN0t\ Q0tT0vV0xY0y`0za0za0va0sa1na6kaAfaEcaI`aOWaTTaYO<2>a\ kEaoBcqIcqOcsVcsacthctncvvcvzcxz<2>dyzdztfznfzhfz`hz\ VhzOhzIizDiz6iz0kz0<2>kz0ky0it0hn4fh9d`DcVHaSKYRKWVL\ QWNN`OHaQEcQAfO7kO1lO0oO0nO0lO0hQ1dRBcTIaVQ`WYZWdWYl\ VZtT`zRazQczOc<2>zKNtII<3>QD0IB0BA04A00B00B00D00D10E\ 60E92GD4GG<2>97OA4RB1VD0W<2>H0dI0hK0iL0fL0dL0cL0aN0`\ N0ZN0WN0VO1T<3>O7NLARIBVHEZEGaDHdAKi9Ll6Oq4Qt1Rx0Vz0\ Wz0Yz1`z7atDdnIfhOh`VkV`lOfnIhiNhdQi`TiYWkTZkOalKdlH\ hnDkn9nn6qo4ss1vt0yv0zx0zy0yz0tz0oz0lz0hz0cz0`z0Wz0R\ z0Nz0Kz0Gz0Bz09z04z00z00z70zE0<2>yc0vi0tn0nk0hiAafIW\ dTQccK`lKZxLZzNYzOWzQWzRVzTVzVTzWTzYRzZRz`QzaQzcOzdO\ zfNzhNziLzkLznNzqNztNzxOzyOzzOzzOzzQz<3>zRzzRzzRzzTz\ <2>zTzzQzzOzzLzzKzzHzzGz<5>z2zz7zzozznz } frm:MandelbrotBC = { ; Z = Z^E + C e=p1 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*trunc(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 05-10-00 (Dingbats [6]) Date: 05 Oct 2000 15:07:13 EDT >I expected to have an easy day today, but an unexpected rush job >came in from the Kung-Fu customer, which kept me busy all >afternoon. "Kung-Fu customer"? Just what exactly do you do for work? :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 06-10-00 (Giant Squid [6]) Date: 05 Oct 2000 20:18:45 EDT FOTD -- October 06, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Every time I take hope that the rush is near its end, another job turns up. An unusually busy day today left little time for exploring the world of fractals, so I had to make do with yesterday's leftovers. The result was better than might have been expected. If today's FOTD looks a bit familiar, it's not deja-vu. The familiarity can be explained by noting that today's FOTD is an outzoom and recoloring of yesterday's "Dingbats" image. But instead of dingbats, today's image reminds me of the eight tentacles of a giant squid. Yes, I realize that squid have those two long grabber arms in addition to the eight tentacles, but we'll ignore them for now, and stick with the name "Giant Squid". The rating of 6 might be a bit liberal for my usually conservative ratings, but it's a respectable image, one well worth a look. The image itself shows a typical midget that exists in a spiral. What makes this midget different is its mis-shapen West Bud, which has begun to split into two parts. (This splitting can be better seen in yesterday's "Dingbats" image.) With a running time of 6-1/2 minutes, the parameter file is somewhat slow. Relief is available however on Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and on the web at: where the GIF image file has been posted, ready for convenient downloading. The weather today here at Fractal Central was cloudy and damp, though no rain fell. The temperature of 65F (18C) would have been acceptable for the cats if they had been allowed outside unescorted. I'm sorry, philosophy fans, but I had no time to philosophize today. I'll try again tomorrow however. Surely, two days in a row can't be this busy. Until then, take care, and take it easy. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Giant_Squid { ; time=0:06:47.60 -- SF5 on a p200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 14 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=branchct.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC passes=1 center-mag=-0.93122846897796940/+0.08188815723776659\ /4.886406e+008/1/2.5 params=2.01/0/32/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=228 periodicity=10 colors=000aZZaZZ<3>iffliinmmqqqssqssqutrwwrxxszzs<2>\ zzsstlmjhe`b_NWRCPK2LJ7HJCFJGEIJBGN8KT5RZ2Yd0ch0kg0s\ g2zh5zi9<2>zjHzhKsgMkfOdeS_eVVeXOeYJd`LdbLdeNej<2>Pg\ tQgpQhoPhmRhjRjhRjhSleSldTmcUobUo`Up_VrYVrWVuVWuTWxS\ WzRXzOXzNXzMYzJZzIZzG_zK_zN_zP<2>`rZaob`lc`he`ee`dj`\ am`_p`Yu_Wx`Uz_SzaKwaCpa5jb0dc0Zh0Vm0Vq0SpBZnLesInwG\ uzDwzByz9xzAwzBuzCt<2>sEoqFmpHmmIl<2>hKggLecMdbOdaPb\ _Pa<2>WTXVVWVVWSWaPXgNZmJatHbzFczCezGgzKhzOkzSkzXmw_\ mtbmqcmn<4>cmn<4>cmnckncep_`mRWjKRgITjHVlGWm<3>BatAc\ u9dw8gz7hz6kz5kz4mz3pz<3>0wz2uz3tz5tz6sz8sx9quArrCpn\ EplGpiIogKmdLkbNiaQgbTegUclWajX_hXYgYWe_UdZSb_QaaO`a\ MZbPZcRYcSYeVYgXXgZWhZVjaUjaSkcRmeQmgOniNpkMplMjhVee\ dcejZduUczSezRfz<3>KkmJljIohGpeGrcFt`EwZDxWBzU<3>7zK\ 7zHJzGUzE<2>ZzPKzc<2>UzW } frm:MandelbrotBC = { ; Z = Z^E + C e=p1 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*trunc(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 05-10-00 -- (Whither the Kung-Fu) Date: 06 Oct 2000 07:39:49 -0400 (EDT) At 03:07 PM 10/5/00 EDT, you wrote: >"Kung-Fu customer"? Just what exactly do you do for work? :-) I do graphic design work. The customer, who runs a Kung-Fu school in the area, needed a newsletter designed and composed in a hurry. When this customer brings a shoe-box filled with photographs and 27 pages of loose copy, and tells me that he needs it turned into an attractive 16-page newsletter by the day after tomorrow, it leaves little time for finding fractals. Jim (master of fractals, not Kung-Fu) Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Boundery-Trace Algorithm Date: 06 Oct 2000 12:02:02 GMT OK, this stands very little chance of being answered, but hey: if I don't ask, I won't know... Most of fractint's passes options are fairly simple. But I was wondering how passes=b actually works. I've suceeded in finding the section of source code that does it, and then utterly failed to follow it. I just can't understand C, that's all. I was wondering if some kind soul could privatly e-mail me some psuedo code or something... (OK, possibly wishfull thinking here, but it can't hurt to ask!) On a related note... The docs say that passes=g is faster usually faster than passes=b. Is that because for "high detail" areas passes=b basically boild down to passes=1? Just a thought... Thanks. Andrew. PS. Isn't the new orbit length colour option brilliant?! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Boundery-Trace Algorithm Date: 06 Oct 2000 08:46:21 EDT The documentation is wrong. passes=b is always faster than passes=g. For proof, note that both will do every pixel that borders a pixel of a different color, but passes=b does no others whereas passes=g runs through a fine grid of points inside areas passes=b does solid. This may reverse at extremely low average iterations per pixel in the image if the passes=b stack management overhead becomes dominant over the actual fractal calculations, but this is unlikely to occur even for the base Mandelbrot image with a reasonably high maxiter set, let alone any *real* fractal. passes=b is, however, the most error-prone passes choice, particularly in certain cases where radial spokes sparsely surround a mini Mandelbrot, and for certain disconnected Julia sets. Passes=1, 2, 3, and d are tied for least error prone. Passes=s is fairly accurate but does funky things to the logmap (still not fixed in 20.1). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ralph Feltens Subject: Re: (fractint) updated web site Date: 06 Oct 2000 15:08:25 +0100 Hi Gedeon I can access your autumn gallery (I like the blueish one in the center, gpm-sg302-07) without problems, but following the links to your 3 Cebyshev pages leads to a "member page not found" message. Ralph Gedeon wrote: > After a very long absence it looks like I am back to creating some images. I > put up a new gallery dedicated to the season, and also updated my Chebyshev > pages with 24 new images. I invite your visit and I hope you enjoy it. > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Subject: Re: (fractint) updated web site Date: 06 Oct 2000 09:45:20 -0400 Hi Ralph, Thanks for your letter, and for calling these broken links to my attention. I am sorry you had problems. The links have now been fixed and the pages should be accessible. Thank you for visiting my web site. Gedeon FRACTALS: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Last updated: October 4, 2000 Member Infinite Fractal Loop Artist member of Fractal Art Museum Enterprise http://www.crosswinds.net/~fractalis/ PHOTOGRAPHY: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: July 10, 2000 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:08 AM > Hi Gedeon > > I can access your autumn gallery (I like the blueish one in the center, > gpm-sg302-07) without problems, but following the links to your 3 Cebyshev pages > leads to a "member page not found" message. > > Ralph > > > > Gedeon wrote: > > > After a very long absence it looks like I am back to creating some images. I > > put up a new gallery dedicated to the season, and also updated my Chebyshev > > pages with 24 new images. I invite your visit and I hope you enjoy it. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ralph Feltens Subject: Re: (fractint) updated web site Date: 06 Oct 2000 17:04:27 +0100 Hi again Sorry, but the links still do not work (at least for me). I purged my browser history table to make sure that the error pages I got weren't due to a cached copy ... Try again ? :-) Ralph Gedeon wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > Thanks for your letter, and for calling these broken links to my attention. > I am sorry you had problems. The links have now been fixed and the pages > should be accessible. Thank you for visiting my web site. > > Gedeon Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Subject: Re: (fractint) updated web site Date: 06 Oct 2000 11:46:02 -0400 Hi Ralph, I am very sorry you are continuing to have problems. When I received your first note, I immediately checked the links, and found a spelling error in them. I corrected it, and tried them all. They all worked properly. Having now received your second note, I went back and checked again, and found that I was not even able to get to my index page. This, unfortunately, is an often recurring problem with the server, NBCi (formerly Xoom). No doubt others using this server have experienced similar problems in the course of the past few weeks. The Xoom-NBCi merger has not been a smooth one! Ten minutes later I tried again, this time everything worked just fine, but I am afraid I cannot be sure that everything at NBCi had been fixed. I have been considering moving my web site to another server, but I have been occupied with other things, and decided to wait and see what happens. Surely NBCi is a firm with adequate resources to fix these server problems, I tell myself hopefully. In any event, I am sorry you have had problems, and all I can say at this point is that if you really want to see my Chebyshev pages, as I hope you do, try again later. Regards, Gedeon FRACTALS: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Last updated: October 4, 2000 Member Infinite Fractal Loop Artist member of Fractal Art Museum Enterprise http://www.crosswinds.net/~fractalis/ PHOTOGRAPHY: http://members.nbci.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: July 10, 2000 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:04 PM > Hi again > > Sorry, but the links still do not work (at least for me). I purged my browser > history table to make sure that the error pages I got weren't due to a cached > copy ... > > Try again ? :-) > > > Ralph > > > > Gedeon wrote: > > > Hi Ralph, > > > > Thanks for your letter, and for calling these broken links to my attention. > > I am sorry you had problems. The links have now been fixed and the pages > > should be accessible. Thank you for visiting my web site. > > > > Gedeon > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: RE: (fractint) Boundery-Trace Algorithm Date: 06 Oct 2000 20:21:57 -0300 I dont know the theory behind that, by my experience is that over 90% of the cases passes=g outperforms passes=b. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:46 AM > The documentation is wrong. passes=b is always faster than passes=g. For > proof, note that both will do every pixel that borders a pixel of a > different color, but passes=b does no others whereas passes=g runs through a > fine grid of points inside areas passes=b does solid. > > This may reverse at extremely low average iterations per pixel in the image > if the passes=b stack management overhead becomes dominant over the actual > fractal calculations, but this is unlikely to occur even for the base > Mandelbrot image with a reasonably high maxiter set, let alone any *real* > fractal. > > passes=b is, however, the most error-prone passes choice, particularly in > certain cases where radial spokes sparsely surround a mini Mandelbrot, and > for certain disconnected Julia sets. Passes=1, 2, 3, and d are tied for > least error prone. Passes=s is fairly accurate but does funky things to the > logmap (still not fixed in 20.1). > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 07-10-00 (Boiling Cauldron [7]) Date: 06 Oct 2000 21:09:09 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 07, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The non-fractal work is once again under control here at Fractal Central, leaving more time for a proper fractal search. My search today was quickly rewarded with an above average and striking image, well worth a look. The mathematical expression Z^(1.1)-Z^(-1.1)+(1/C) is purely whimsical. As far as I know, it has no special significance except that when iterated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula it produces the expected fractal. The fractal consists of a twisted Mandelbrot set centered at the top edge of the default screen. Today's scene lies in the intricate features along the northwest edge of this set, near the point where a gently curving filament makes an unexpected acute angle and doubles back on itself. When the time to give a name to the picture arrived, I had no hint of what to call it. The name I settled on, "Boiling Cauldron", was more a choice of desperation than a logical choice. I may already have given the same name to an earlier FOTD. I have no handy list available to check which names have already been used. And what harm would come from having a duplicate. Perhaps I should start naming the FOTD's with an Opus number, like is done with the works of composers. Even that would be a task however, for I also have no readily available count of the 3-1/2 years' of FOTD's. But if I started numbering without actually counting, I would start around 1250. Today's image is above average -- neither much above nor slightly above, but rather average above average, which translates to an honest rating of 7. The parameter file renders in 6 minutes -- slow though not overly frustrating. For those who would rather not go through the hassle of running the parameter file, the GIF image file has been posted to the usual two sites: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and: The fractal weather today was partly cloudy with a temperature of 79F (26C), perfect for the cats, who chased each other around the yard for 1/2 hour before running out of energy and settling down for a snooze on the porch. Well, the cats have long since ended their snooze, and are once again thinking of food. I guess it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe and put the fractal cats' minds to rest by filling their food dishes with their favorite snacks. Until tomorrow, take care, and see you then. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Boiling_Cauldron { ; time=0:06:08.06 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.38580613488445680/+2.076060642776320/2\ .459343e+008/1/62.5 params=1/1.1/-1/-1.1/0/0 float=y maxiter=750 inside=0 logmap=115 periodicity=10 colors=000RlzTkzWmzWizVezVdzV_zUZzUVzUUvTQsSOqRKmRIi\ QEgPCdP8`P5Z0ib0`V0RO0HG0AA222400800C00000N0IRHSjKiv\ NtzTzzSzzRzuOskOkbNd`PZ<2>VOOTNKRLERLBPK4NK0<3>FJ0GJ\ 0EN0DR0BV09X08`07d07e05i03m02q00s00v00z00z00s02k44dE\ 5XP8QZAMkDGvFAzH3zODzVKzaTzi_zogvspszvtzzqzzlzzizzZz\ pQzeHzS6zG0z20z00<2>z00z00x20v41u65uA9sDDqFGoGJoKNmM\ QkOTkPXbP_WPbPPgGOk7Nq0Mu0Mz0Mz0Oz0Qv0Ps0Ro0Tk6TiAVe\ DWbJWZMXVQXV<2>GVeCUi8Sm4Rq1Qv0Qz0Pz0Nz0Oz0Mz0Mz0Oz0\ Nz0Qz0Pz6Pz9RzFSvJSuMUqRUmVWkZXg`XddYcgYakZad__XXXUX\ WMXVHZV9ZV1`V0`V0bV0bV0Yb0Yg9YoHWuPXzYXzdWzkUzedzYju\ SsiKuYFuNHqIFkCGk6Gk0MkARkKWkTbkbhkilnorrxuszqszlqzf\ qzcpzYpzSozNozJozdpzvrzsszmpziqzcqxYtxUwxPzxJzwGzwAz\ w6zwCzfHzQLzANz0<3>pz0<2>uz0wz0wz0xz0zz0<2>zz0qz0gzE\ ZzTNzeCzo<2>Yzy<2>uzzuzzuzzszzszzszzszzqzzqzzHzyqzzq\ zzqzzNzmPzsRzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson Subject: RE: (fractint) Passes Algorithms Date: 06 Oct 2000 19:51:05 -0700 At 08:21 PM 10/6/00 -0300, Ricardo wrote: > >I dont know the theory behind that, by my experience is that over 90% of the >cases passes=g outperforms passes=b. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Multiple Bogeys > >> The documentation is wrong. passes=b is always faster than passes=g. >>... In my experience the advantage of passes=b/t exists only where the broad color bands comprise a significant percentage of the image. In all other cases I use passes=1, especially where accuracy is required. All "shortcut" methods are error-prone for disconnected sets (e.g. dust Julias), and where thin color bands dominate and iteration counts are low they can slow rendering substantially (all of that algorithmic overhead). Regards, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: RE: (fractint) Boundery-Trace Algorithm Date: 07 Oct 2000 11:21:43 EDT It only seems faster, because it gives you a quick preview of the image; it's a psychological thing. I suggest using the timing information on the tab screen for more objective comparisons -- or just considering for a moment that passes=g will calculate every pixel passes=b does, at least in the cases where passes=g doesn't screw up. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 08-10-00 (An Astral Minibrot [6]) Date: 07 Oct 2000 23:30:10 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 08, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Do fractals exist on the astral plane? Of course. Fractals are everywhere, and on the astral plane they exist as real objective objects, not merely as mathematical abstractions. To prove my statement, I have found an image of an astral Minibrot, which I now present as the FOTD for October 8th. The expression that drew the image is -1Z^(-2)-3Z^(-4)+21*(1/C). It was entered totally at random. Of course, some may doubt that this midget originated in another dimension, but it is part of a four-dimensional Julibrot, and the fourth dimension most certainly is another dimension. The pale colors resemble the tints commonly reported as having been observed on the astral plane, and the deep blue background adds just the right heavenly touch. Taking all this evidence into consideration, I came to the conclusion that the midget in today's picture comes straight from a higher world. I named the image "An Astral Minibrot" accordingly, and rated it a marginally better than average 6. The parameter file runs in 8 minutes on a very down-to-earth physical computing machine. It will not run at all on an astral machine. If the 8-minute wait leads to too much impatience, the GIF file of the entire image may be found on the Usenet network at the binary newsgroup: It is also available on the web at: The fractal weather today here at Fractal Central was partly cloudy with a temperature of 60F (15.5C). These conditions pleased the fractal cats, who were outdoors for nearly two hours, romping and resting. The cats are now dozing, and I'm about ready to doze myself. Until tomorrow, when the philosophical emphasis will be on fractal philosophy, take care, and be peaceful. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ An_Astral_Minibrot { ; time=0:07:59.23 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.5225568645555446/+0.311077241609439/4.\ 203189e+009/1/97.499 params=-1/-2/-3/-4/20/0 float=y maxiter=1400 inside=0 logmap=159 periodicity=10 colors=000DBFDDGBCJ<3>8CP7CR6CS6CV5CW4CY3C`2Ca2Bc2Ce\ 0Bh0Ci<2>0Bm0Bn0Bm2El6FlAHkFIlJKiONgSOeWPe_QecSchVem\ WfsYfxagzdhzfjwiksiimjjfllYnmSpnMrpItrJvpKynLwmMtkNq\ jOnjPlhQigRheSedTabUZbVXaXU`YTZWPYWLXWJXYMYZPZ<2>eZc\ ghcimcircmmbmmbmh`lb`m``nW_pTYqOXsLWtHWuDUwATx7Ty4Sy\ 1Sx5Tw9UuDUtHWsMWqQWpWXp__nbZneZniZnm`oq`pw`pzanwRns\ PnnOnkOnhNndLnaLnYKnWJnSJnQInPIpOHpNGpLGpLE<2>pICpGB\ pGBpEApEAj14l45l76l86lC6lE6mH7mL7mN7mP7mT7mV7nZ8nb8n\ d8ng8nk8pmApqApuAqxApzBpzBnzDkyEjwFhtGfqHdpI<3>YeNWb\ OVaPTZRRXRQURNSRMQSJPTHOWGLX<3>AEaFLcJQeNVfS`hXei`ij\ elffn`gqTktLnwEpy7rx9rwBswEruGttH<2>usOusRwsSwtVxuXx\ u_yu`yvcyvf<3>zypzyrzzuzzwxxuvxtrxsmypfym`ymVykQziKz\ hGzhAzgDzj<3>NzoPzqRzrUztWzv_zwazxdzy<2>kzzizrhzfczU\ bzH`z5VzQMzhDzzIzv<2>Wzc`zYczQgzJkzCnz7WzXNzHMzMJzT } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 09-10-00 (Mandelbrot's Chariot [6]) Date: 09 Oct 2000 00:58:00 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 09, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I had a low energy day today, doing little but lounging around most of the day. But I did manage to muster the energy to find and shape up a striking little fractal scene. Today's fractal image reminded me at once of a flaming chariot wheel, so I named it "Mandelbrot's Chariot". The fiery picture is a scene in the fractal that results from the iteration of the expression -15Z^(-1.5)-1.5Z^(-15)+(1/C). The slightly above average rating of 6 is honestly earned. Requiring only 1 minute to render, the parameter file is fast enough for the most impatient fractalier. But if one minute is still too slow, the pre-rendered GIF image is available on Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and on the Web at: The fractal weather today here at Fractal Central was partly cloudy, with 55F (13C) as a high temperature. These conditions were a bit chilly for the fractal cats, who cut short their several tentative outings into the yard. Until tomorrow, when I'll post my first and perhaps last fractal that rates a perfect 10, take care, and keep posted. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MandelbrotsChariot { ; time=0:01:07.12 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.49964435592604780/+1.59518857437319200\ /1.75916e+011/1/-109.997/-0.004 params=-15/-1.5/-1.5/-15/0/525 float=y maxiter=275 inside=0 logmap=19 periodicity=10 colors=000F0AF0AL0CK1EP2GU3IY4Ib5FgGFtPKzRKzSKziKzfK\ zrZzzczzWzrOzcGzU8zK1z60z00w23r56m79h7E<2>g8Sf8XhFP<\ 2>o_2<3>hP6fM7dK8bH9aFA<3>mVgpZps_x<3>wgkxihykeymb<4\ >jwY<2>azW<3>bzsbzy_zw<3>Ozo<3>TziVzgWzfXzdYzc<3>LzL\ IzGFzCCz79z3<4>bz8<2>tzB<3>bzYYzcUziPzoLzt<3>jzhqzew\ zcszF<3>RzSKzVDzY5z05z05z05ze5z05zejz0jzejz0jzeQzLQz\ zQzLQzzzzLzzzzzLzzz5z0Az5<3>MzHPzKTzO<3>hzcmzhrzmxzs\ zzz5zz<2>ozzzzz<3>zz0<3>zz0oz0<2>5z0<3>5zz<2>5zz_zz<\ 2>wzzzzz<3>zzV<3>zzVwzV<2>_zV<3>_zz<2>_zzmzz<2>zzzzz\ z<3>zzh<4>zzh<2>mzh<3>mzz<2>mzz5zS<3>XzS<3>Xz0<3>Xz0\ <3>5z0<3>5zS<2>5zSJzShzw<3>RzW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 10-10-00 (The Perfect Fractal [10]) Date: 09 Oct 2000 22:09:58 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 10, 2000 (Rating 10) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: For many years I have searched for the perfect fractal, one which I could rate an honest 10. I wrote and discarded one formula after another in my fruitless search, but the perfection I sought always eluded me. It eluded me that is until one day recently, when I realized that I had the perfect fractal on the screen before me. I now offer this perfect fractal to the world in its full 10-rated glory as the FOTD for 10-10-00. The parameter file of this perfect fractal is the fastest of all time, requiring only an incredible 3 seconds to render. The quickness of the parameter file however takes nothing from the worthiness of the image it creates. I named the picture "The Perfect Fractal" because that's what it is. Of course, there is but one perfect fractal, and that fractal is the parent fractal of all fractals -- the simple yet infinitely complex fractal -- the Mandelbrot set. To give the image a little something extra, I rendered the M-set using Fractint's continuous potential coloring method, which produces images as close to true-color as is possible with a mere 256 colors. Since we have the Mandelbrot set already on the screen, this is the perfect time to describe and give the names of its various features. The names I have given to the features are mostly based on common usage, though some names are of my own invention. The Mandelbrot set appears on the screen in its 'normal' orientation. Just as is the case with terrestrial maps, North is up, South is down, West is left, and East is right. The largest open area, which has a vague heart shape, is known as the Main Cardioid. This cardioid is surrounded by roughly circular shapes known as buds. The buds are separated from the Main Cardioid by cusps known as Valleys. The large bud on the west side of the Main Cardioid is West Bud. North Bud and South Bud lie at the north and south edges of the cardioid respectively. Northwest, Northeast, Southwest, and Southeast buds are located on the corresponding sides of the cardioid. The Main Cardioid is cleaved on its east side by East Valley, sometimes called Elephant Valley because of the elephant-like features that appear to be parading out of the valley. The double valley separating the West bud from the Main Cardioid is known as Seahorse Valley. It has been named after the spirals shaped like seahorse tails, which are so prominent in this area. The next valley to the west is known as Seahorse Valley West, or Scepter Valley, because of the scepter-like features found there. The next valley west is Double Scepter Valley, then comes Triple Scepter Valley, and so on to infinity. At the north edge of the cardioid lies North Valley or Triple Spiral Valley. 45 degrees clockwise lies Northeast Valley or Quad Spiral Valley. Northwest Valley lies approximately 45 degrees counterclockwise from North Valley. A similar arrangement of buds and valleys lies along the southern border of the cardioid. The buds, along with all their associated filaments and midgets are known as radicals. The long straight spike shooting out westward to a coordinate of -2 is known as the negative tail. The prominent midget on the negative tail is known as the main midget. As I stated above, these names are the particular names I use. As far as I know, official names have yet to be given to the features of the Mandelbrot set. The classic Mandelbrot set renders in just over 3 seconds from the parameter file. It downloads in a period of time that is many times as long. But for those who choose the download, the GIF image file may be found on Usenet at the binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and on the Web at Paul Lee's site at: The fractal weather today was downright chilly, with variable clouds and even a few drops of rain. The temperature of 49F (9.5C) was too much for the fractal cats, who asked to come back indoors only 3 minutes after I let them out. Then they scolded me because it was too chilly for them to enjoy the outdoors. Barring an unexpected rush, the fractal philosophy will continue tomorrow, as I investigate something known as the Zexpe fractal in a way you've never seen before. Then I've got all those odd orientations in the Julibrot to describe. Until tomorrow then, take care, and when boredom strikes, rush to your computer to create a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START PARAMETER FILE======================================= The_PerfectFractal { ; time=0:00:03.32 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=-0.606416/2.22045e-016/0.8503401 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=260 inside=0 logmap=yes potential=255/260/260 periodicity=10 colors=000000dmLdoLcrM<20>iU9jT9jS8kR7kQ7<3>lK4lJ4mI\ 3mH3mG2nE0<47>7Zl6Zm5_n<2>2`q1`s2`r<59>Q7dR7cR6cS6cR\ 5bS4cS5bS5bS5aS5bT6aT6`T6a<36>_CJ_CJ`CI_CI<3>aEGaCFa\ EFaEEaEEaDFbEF<9>`LD`MD_MD<10>YXBYYBXZB<3>XbAXcAXdAX\ eAXfA<3>hjAkkWrmzzoz } END PARAMETER FILE========================================= Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 00:13:01 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 11, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's unusual midget takes us deep into the Zexpe fractal, a fractal that was named and explored by Lee Skinner. The word Zexpe is a contraction of Z exponent Epsilon, or Z^2.718... The formula Z^2.718+C draws a fractal that on the surface looks like a twisted version of the cubic Mandeloid, but inside is entirely different. Unlike the midgets of the Z^2+C Mandelbrot set, which always have the same basic shape, the midgets of the Zexpe fractal can apparently take most any shape whatever. Like all fractals with fractional exponents, the Zexpe fractal is not only infinite within its depths, its surface is infinite as well, taking the shape of an infinite hyperdimensional corkscrew. The MandelbrotBC formula, which drew today's image, calculates the more remote parts of this hypercorkscrew. The BC in the formula name stands for 'branch cuts', which are the discontinuities that, due to the multi-valued nature of the complex log function, must always appear in fractals with fractional exponents. The MandelbrotBC formula moves these branch cuts around as it slices through different parts of the corkscrew. It therefore can produce a great variety of different fractals from the same mathematical expression. The parent fractal of today's scene is a multi-lobed object with a small filament extending from the northernmost bud. The midget in today's picture exists in the spread-out East Valley of a prominent midget on this filament. I named the picture "A Zexpe Minibrot" for the obvious reason, and rated it a 7 because it actually is a rather striking scene. In fact it almost reminds me of a Hubble telescopic view of a planetary nebula. With a render time of 3-1/2 minutes, the parameter file is slow enough to make a download of the image file the better choice. The download may be found at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at: The fractal weather today here at fractal central was cloudy but milder. The temperature of 54F (12C) was just warm enough to satisfy the cats. It's now time to shut down the fractal shoppe for the night and give the cats their late night snack. Until tomorrow, take care, and brace yourself for more fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Zexpe_Minibrot { ; time=0:03:31.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=branchct.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC passes=1 center-mag=+0.37032548119277480/+1.35149200434768100\ /526420/1/67.499 params=2.71828182845905/0/13.4/0 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=0 logmap=81 periodicity=10 colors=000A8F<3>ABIACJADKAEJ9HH8LF<3>4f93k72q51v4<3>\ ETFHMHKFKN8M<3>FNBDR8BV69Z37a1<3>DQSENZGKeHHlKFrUMtd\ SurZvwdwucvpbuibubat<4>QZrNYqKXq<3>AVo<9>Zkf`lecnd<3\ >lta<9>KqZHqZEqZ<3>3pY<3>abgj_jrXl<3>bR_ZQXVPURORPMU\ NKXKI_HHbDGeCFj<3>R9`V7YY6W<3>VBQUCPUDOTEMSFLSGK<8>P\ dGPgGPjF<3>OtE<3>cg_gdekajoZpsWuhYmZ_fUadOcbSe`WgZ_i\ 4<2>kpUoraukZwdW<2>vLO<3>g`EddCYcBSeAMdAIc9Kb8Ma8<3>\ UiZWkdYme_oOaqe<2>gweiyz<3>qzirz5szOtz2<2>wzWxzC<2>z\ zZzz4<3>zzZzz2<3>zzTzz_zzz<3>zzlzzhzz4zzNzzOzzDzzNzz\ XzzA<3>zzTzzXzzazz7zzJzzVzzMzzTzz_zzWzz`zz2zzdzzP<3>\ zzbzzxzzqzzkzzpzzlzzS<2>zzQ } frm:MandelbrotBC = { ; Z = Z^E + C e=p1 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*trunc(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 01:16:34 -0500 Jim Muth wrote: > > Today's unusual midget takes us deep into > the Zexpe fractal, a fractal that was named > and explored by Lee Skinner. And for those wishing to see a couple more images Jim generated using the Zexpe formula: http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-01-09.html http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-09-17.html Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 11:25:16 EDT > http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-09-17.html 404 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 13:41:42 -0500 MY system also sez this is a nonexistent or out-of-date link. I knew I liked Zex, but Zexpe's even better. Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-09-17.html > > 404 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 13:41:42 -0500 MY system also sez this is a nonexistent or out-of-date link. I knew I liked Zex, but Zexpe's even better. Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-09-17.html > > 404 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-10-00 (A Zexpe Minibrot [7]) Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:50:43 -0500 DeBow Freed II PhD wrote: > > MY system also sez this is a nonexistent or out-of-date link. > > Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > > > > http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-09-17.html > > > > 404 > > My mistake, it should have been the prior year's page: http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_99-09-17.html Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 12-10-00 (It's the Pits [7]) Date: 12 Oct 2000 00:43:09 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 12, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: While studying today's fractal, I had the impression of staring down into a pit. This is why I named the picture "It's the Pits" -- I did not choose the name because the image is unusually bad. In addition to rating a 7, the image is a reasonably fast one, taking only 2-1/2 minutes to render on one of those old-fashioned 200mhz Pentium machines. The scene is that of a tortured midget that exists in the Z^(1.195)+C fractal, at a location well out on the infinite logarithmic spiral. The parent fractal itself is also tortured looking, and well worth a look. Midgets in Mandeloids of such a low order are exceedingly hard to find. I stumbled upon today's midget purely by accident while randomly zooming into unlikely corners of the parent fractal. Though the parameter file is fast, the download of the GIF image file is even faster. That download may be found at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at: The all-important? fractal weather today here at fractal central was perfect. Sunny skies and a temperature of 69F (20.5C) were ideal for the cats, and a slow day gave me time not only to let them outdoors all afternoon, but also to hunt and find those elusive fractals. The armchair philosophy continues on hiatus until I have some- thing worth the effort it takes to write it. But the philosophy will inevitably return. Until that time, the fractals will prosper as I devote my full energies to fractaling. I'll shut down the fractal shoppe at this time, but I'll return in 24 hours with another outstanding fractal and a few words about it. Until then, take care, and fractals are like spirits. We can see pictures of them while awake, but the originals appear only in our dreams. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Its_The_Pits { ; time=0:02:28.74 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=branchct.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC passes=1 center-mag=-1.43935876863394000/+1.17860135751928400\ /101.2729/1/-99.999 params=1.195/0/53/0 float=y maxiter=10000 inside=0 logmap=39 periodicity=10 colors=0005ie5if4fh2dk4ah4_e5Xb5T_5PX7MU7IS7GO8CL8AI\ 87GBAEEBEGCEIEELGEMICPKCSLCTMCVOCYQB_SBaTBdUBeVBhYAj\ _Ak`AnaAobAk_8iX8fU8dS7`P7YM7VK5TH5PE5<2>H54L58<3>V5\ LY5O`5Qb5Te5Xh5_j5am5do5h<2>w5otBjsHfrMbpQYoVUn`QnbP\ mdMiXSePVaH`Y8dU0iQ0mU0jX0h_1fa4dd5ah8`jBYmEVoHUrISv\ LPxOOzQLzTIzUHzSLzPOzMSzLUyIXxG`wCbvAft7it5kpAm<3>aP\ nYTnUVnQ_n<3>Amo5po1soHiiO_bTPXVEQX8M_CL`HKaLIdPHeTG\ fXEi`BjdAmh8nk7oo5rs4sw2tz1sx7swB<2>srOspSsoVsn_skds\ jhsikshosessdwsbzsazodykfviirekmbmi_oeVr`TtXPwTMxPTy\ TYyVbyYhy`mzdrzfwzizzkxzh<3>izTfzPXzMOzLCzK2zI8zOCzS\ IzVMz_SzbVzf`zj<3>rzyvzzzzz<5>zzz<3>yzzyzzzzxzztzzr<\ 3>zzezzazz_yzXxzTwzQvzOxzQzzTzzUzzXzz_zz`zzbzzezzf<2\ >zzm<3>zzCzz2zz0zzTzzwzzszzozzkzzh<3>zzUzzQzzOzzKzz_\ <3>zzbzzbzzdzze } frm:MandelbrotBC = { ; Z = Z^E + C e=p1 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*trunc(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 13-10-00 (Much to my Chagrin [4]) Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:40:27 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 13, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is a disappointment. When I found the location where the midget lay buried, I thought that I was on the way to a great fractal. But something happened on the way down. The closer I came to the midget, the less promising the scene became. Maybe I went too deep, maybe I bungled the coloring, maybe there's simply no great image to be had at this location. Whatever the reason, I felt a letdown at the final result. The expression that was calculated to draw the image is 11Z^(-1.15)-Z^(-11.5)+(1/C), which was calculated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula, resulting in today's image. The 8 or 9 rating I had originally expected was trimmed to a modest below- average 4. Then I named the picture "Much to my Chagrin". It's an image with a deep blue color palette, with feathery fronds poking in from the edges and graceful arcs curving at the corners. The description sounds good enough -- too bad the image doesn't come up to its description. With a render time of 8-1/2 minutes on a 200mhz Pentium, the parameter file is not really worth the effort of formatting and running it. I recommend downloading the finished GIF image from: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals or from: The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with cloudless deep blue skies and a temperature of 72F (22C). The conditions brought out the wanderlust in the cats, who kept me busy all day letting them in and out. And now it's time to once again shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with a better fractal and some words about higher dimensions. Until then, take care, and a great fractal makes an otherwise lousy day seem not so bad. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Much_to_my_Chagrin { ; time=0:08:30.26 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+89.198597213673/+301.3121194212447/3.363\ 376e+007/1/90 params=11/-1.15/-1/-11.5/0/1000 float=y maxiter=3200 inside=0 logmap=182 periodicity=10 colors=000fnzfjzdkzajzZfzWjzTZzQXzNPzMEx39n65395UB5U\ <2>J5pJXjmzzirzejzabzXUxTMxPDwznMzeUqXafNiWEpNm8np0j\ i9fcHbYP_TW<2>NBpR_iT3zR5z<3>M5zK5zR00Q00P08P0HN1QM3\ YM3fK5nzaavUflPjN5Bm00fH5_XEUlPNzXHzeEzPDv6zMbfXPEhB\ GbJHXQHRXJMcKDzzGzK9zP90N89N8JM6RM6_K5hK5pn01lzJfxR<\ 2>QJpRtEQlN<3>KEpvzUnz_ipcbeiXTmQHr_0lR0qJzt5zi8ql9i\ mDapEUqHMtJjvKjz<4>KjzKjx6jT<3>GjmJjrzjlvjpbxtDxzExz\ GxzHxzHxzJxzKxxlxzaxp0x00xD1xP8xaExlJxhJx5<3>KxaKxiK\ xpzxQhxfhxzaxzWxzQxxJxvKxwKxwMxelxnfxq<2>Qxvzxjzxmvx\ nlxqbxrTxvzx0zx0wxBnxMhxW_xeRxnfxzWxzmx3ixBexJbxQYxX\ <2>NxqzxXvxbnxffxj_xnRxrzxq0zc<2>0zl5zm9zpDzrHzvXzTT\ zaQzhNzpzzErzQhzaWzljzB5zz8zz9zzBzzDzzGzzHzzJzxxzKzz\ zvzznzzfzz_zzRzzzzXtzfbznczmUzrzzMnzY_zjBz0Dz9<3>Jzm\ 5z08z99zJDzREz_HzhJzpzz3qzNazexz0qz3jzGczR } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 14-10-00 (Interim [5]) Date: 13 Oct 2000 22:34:45 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 14, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The day turned out to be unexpectedly busy here at Fractal Central today. Faced with the choice of completing a job that pays or finding an exceptional fractal, I chose to complete the job that pays. Thus I had to delve into the fractal archives to find a fractal worthy of being crowned 'Fractal of the Day'. Within 5 minutes of delving, I found today's image, which mixes portions of Z^(-11) and Z^(-1.1). The image is actually a very lucky one. Having failed once to qualify, it was given a second chance, and like an olympic athlete, rose admirably to the occasion. Eight months ago I named the picture "Interim". I have no idea why I gave it such a name -- perhaps the name was intended to be a temporary one until I thought of a permanent one. Regardless, it's an acceptable image -- a bit too gaudy, but still fun to look at. The rating of a perfectly average 5 seems about right for this image. If I had had more time, I would have tried Fractint's other outside coloring options on this picture. Maybe I'll try them when I get this FOTD posted. More likely I'll settle down to watch a junky old sci-fi movie from the 50's -- the kind they don't make nowadays. The 8-1/2 minute render time makes the download the better choice. That download may be found at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at: The crystal-clear fractal weather today here at Fractal Central was a repeat of yesterday's perfection, but it was even more perfect. The temperature of 75F (24C) couldn't have been more perfect for fractal cats who demand comfort. That's it for today. I'll return tomorrow with a fractal and idle chatter. Until then, take care, and fractals exist only because we want them to. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Interim { ; time=0:08:36.41 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.879446711164544/+2.216489222310698/5.9\ 90554e+009/1/104.999 params=1/-11/-1/-1.1/0.2/10000 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=165 periodicity=9 colors=0000C00C00E00G00I01K2BM8KOE<3>un_<3>ZZRTVPNRN\ HNLCKJFAM<3>Wia_qdajc<3>fL`gF`h8_i2_<3>XKn<3>HDqDBr9\ 9sBh7Ck7Dn7<2>KSICZ7<3>ppDlZQhIad0l<3>MHLHMFDWE8`84e\ 2<2>7q5<3>FfNHcSJaWLZ`MXd<3>5Dy<3>F_UIdMKjEMo6<3>BY4\ UT4`P3fP3mN3z`CuV9pP7kK5<3>Mh9GnAAtBWjWp`o<2>nza<3>Q\ hkKdnE`p8Xr<3>lmMvqESmj<3>efQidLlcGpaBs`6<3>XreRvnMz\ v<3>eUojMncRh<3>FgN9kH3oC<3>atbcuh<3>svqwvszvuzvwzvy\ wut<2>irg<2>qoW<3>gcie`mcYpaVs<3>cBeRFUFIJVFI0cH0cHW\ JF3SDzyj<3>zm2wlA<2>iiW<2>ifp<3>ssgBweJwfRwfYmfWmbUm\ _SwWQwTPwQKwmNwo<3>QwYQwTRwPRwLVwNZzP<3>mzXpzYizU<3>\ IzICzF_zXwzm<3>QznIznEzaBzP8zD<3>AzVkz`jza2zS<2>Tzc } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD's 15-10-00 (Before and After [4+5]) Date: 14 Oct 2000 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 15, 2000 (Rating 4+5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is in two parts. The first part rates a 4; the second, a 5. I bunched the two images together and named them "Before and After". The two images show the result of a rotation in four dimensions. The "Before" image shows a very typical midget in the Mandelbrot set, with some Julia-like decorations surrounding it. This midget is situated deep in the East Valley area of the most prominent midget on the west filament of the North Radical. The "Before" picture is a pleasant enough scene, colored with a rather Halloween-like palette. But it's nothing outstanding -- we've seen dozens of similar images. Because such images have become hackneyed, I have been able to rate it at only a somewhat below average 4. The Mandelbrot set however is only one slice of a four- dimensional object known as the Julibrot, and Mandel midgets are actually four-dimensional holes scattered through the Julibrot like holes in a hyperswiss cheese. If we slice this hypercheese in an absolutely perpendicular direction, we get the various Julia sets, but what do we get when we slice through a midget in some remote oblique direction? We get what I call oblique midgets, which can take any shape whatever. The "After" image is centered at exactly the same C-coordinates as the "Before" image. The only difference is that the direction of the slice has been double-rotated 60 degrees through the fourth dimension. The color scheme is exactly the same, so that the same parts of the fractal appear in the same colors in both images. Instead of a nice neat Mandel midget, we now have an object that resembles the sun about 1/4 risen above the horizon. And the nice nearly circular array of Julia-like features is still there, but it has been transformed into a vaguely triangular mass of misplaced elements. Closer in toward the central hole, the features become distorted beyond recognition. This distortion is mild compared to the distortion that appears when the midget is sliced at some other angles. I might show some of these even more distorted scenes in the near future, but for now I feel we've given this little midget a hard-enough time for one day. After all, no one enjoys having their very worst aspects made public. The two fractals in the parameter file each render in less than one minute. With such a fast render time, running the parameter file might be more efficient than downloading the two separate images. But for those who would prefer to download, the images may be found at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at: The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with a blue sky decorated with angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 80F (26.5C) that brought out the best in the fractal cats. The cats spent several hours outdoors, enjoying the sunshine in their middle years. The philosophy still sleeps, but eventually it will awaken. And before long, I'll awaken and return with more wonders from the world of fractals. Until then, take care, and don't go into the fourth dimension -- you may never get back out. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ 1-Before { ; time=0:00:48.22 -- SF5 on a p200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 14 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=Mandelbrot passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000004627230047/-0.00000004133611691\ /1082251 params=0/0/-0.153481762634/1.03017708079 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0 logmap=88 periodicity=10 colors=00060Q60Q<3>60Y61_85a<3>CLiDPkETk<3>JhmKlmLpn\ MtnNxn<4>MffMbdMZb<3>MLXPHVUEUbASfMRmCUuJPxOMzQKxN8q\ L6<2>I33E74NA5<3>fM8kP9oS9<3>cm6`r5Yw5<8>SkOSiQRhS<3\ >Pc_<2>c1TdMOdmKduGevF<3>eiCefBecB<5>qWKrVLtUMvTOxRP\ zQQ<3>yMW<3>bI`XHaSGc<2>BEf<2>8U`<3>FYJHZEI_AK`5La1<\ 4>JR5JO5JM6<3>IE8<3>FUUFYZEac<3>Cpx<3>Wpf_padpY<3>wp\ G<3>aqJWrKRrLLrMGrM<3>LpdMoiNonOnsPnwcjoqggzd_zb`<4>\ bVbYTcTSc<3>AMe<3>WCPa9Lf7H<2>v05<5>XIVSLZOOb<3>7Zs<\ 3>b8Jj2Al3G<3>t4`v4ex4kz4pz4u<2>z9fzIhxRjw_l<3>xeUyg\ PzhL<2>zl7<5>zmQzmUzmX<3>zmhzmhzmhzmfzmL<3>zmN } 2-After { ; time=0:00:47.29 -- SF5 on a p200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 14 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=multirot.frm formulaname=multirot-XZ-YW passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000080034637373/-0.00000045133115239\ /485574.3/0.5971/179.913/62.877 params=-60/60/-0.153481762634/1.03017708079/-0.15348\ 1762634/1.03017708079 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0 logmap=88 periodicity=10 colors=00060Q60Q<3>60Y61_85a<3>CLiDPkETk<3>JhmKlmLpn\ MtnNxn<4>MffMbdMZb<3>MLXPHVUEUbASfMRmCUuJPxOMzQKxN8q\ L6<2>I33E74NA5<3>fM8kP9oS9<3>cm6`r5Yw5<8>SkOSiQRhS<3\ >Pc_<2>c1TdMOdmKduGevF<3>eiCefBecB<5>qWKrVLtUMvTOxRP\ zQQ<3>yMW<3>bI`XHaSGc<2>BEf<2>8U`<3>FYJHZEI_AK`5La1<\ 4>JR5JO5JM6<3>IE8<3>FUUFYZEac<3>Cpx<3>Wpf_padpY<3>wp\ G<3>aqJWrKRrLLrMGrM<3>LpdMoiNonOnsPnwcjoqggzd_zb`<4>\ bVbYTcTSc<3>AMe<3>WCPa9Lf7H<2>v05<5>XIVSLZOOb<3>7Zs<\ 3>b8Jj2Al3G<3>t4`v4ex4kz4pz4u<2>z9fzIhxRjw_l<3>xeUyg\ PzhL<2>zl7<5>zmQzmUzmX<3>zmhzmhzmhzmfzmL<3>zmN } frm:Mandelbrot {; Jim Muth real(c),imag(c) z=p1, c=pixel+p2: z=sqr(z)+c, |z| <= 16 } frm:multirot-XZ-YW {; Jim Muth ; 0,0=para, 90,0=obl, 0,90=elip, 90,90=rect e=exp(flip(real(p1*.01745329251994))), f=exp(flip(imag(p1*.01745329251994))), z=f*real(pixel)+p2, c=e*imag(pixel)+p3: z=sqr(z)+c, |z| <= 36 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Fractal greeting cards Date: 15 Oct 2000 07:05:33 -0500 Looking for a greeting postcard with a fractal picture? You can choose from several fractal pictures and many sentiments, and add your own message to the postcard. You can even pick a song to go with it. Best of all--it's free! Just in time for Sweetests Day, Oct. 21 in the States. http://www.herenthere.com/fractals.html Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 15 Oct 2000 07:40:00 -0500 Free animated fractal greeting cards: Forever Moments http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 15 Oct 2000 12:52:03 -0500 Dear Bob,

Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!

I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.

First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people haves bundles of additional images.
And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist), because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior (albeit lubricated by ethanol).

Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images with softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment, which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly. Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).

My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting" nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob, the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for the images offered at the forevermoments site.

Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the present images will be, I think, much more popular with the recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.

I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas, and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but true.

A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let you guess the sex of that group.

Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."

Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what a fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and metallic palette of most are a turn-off.

At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with cutting-edge fractals imagery.

It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth. Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e., primary colors), less angular images.

Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for sharing it with the rest of us.

DeBow Freed
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Bob Margolis wrote:

Free animated fractal greeting cards:

Forever Moments   http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html

Bob

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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Bissell Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 15 Oct 2000 14:34:57 -0400 Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now... and I really have had enough of "Silly Love Songs".... There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its just that WOMEN shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so production favors kitch! Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!! Death Metal Forever !!! H^) (as) Idi Amin, Uganda. DeBow Freed II PhD wrote: > Dear Bob, > > Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and > the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution! > > I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to > you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same > response among their acquaintances that I did this morning. > > First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment > at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and > what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people > haves bundles of additional images. > And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist), > because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior > (albeit lubricated by ethanol). > > Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free > Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images with > softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because > they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment, > which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly. > Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to > receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the > middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your > "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row). > > My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting" > nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be > included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob, > the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of > 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at > least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's > say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for the > images offered at the forevermoments site. > > Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know > is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the > present images will be, I think, much more popular with the > recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to > the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful. > > I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas, > and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was > almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were > consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular > shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the > sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but > true. > > A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was > delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get > well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing > them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let > you guess the sex of that group. > > Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying > to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to > the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to > conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic." > > Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what a > fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I > can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered > images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and > metallic palette of most are a turn-off. > > At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a > gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I > thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all > it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on > a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with > cutting-edge fractals imagery. > > It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you > make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons > and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth. > Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e., > primary colors), less angular images. > > Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for > sharing it with the rest of us. > > DeBow Freed > > > > > Bob Margolis wrote: > >> Free animated fractal greeting cards: >> >> Forever Moments >> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html >> >> Bob >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >> >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks > for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post > Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: > majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: > twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com > "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 15 Oct 2000 17:34:48 -0500 Harry-

I agree.

Give ME the angular shapes and great palettes, too.

But please ALSO give me some of the ones the ladies (or whoever has different taste than ours - not my sexist reference) seem to find less threatening. It's not an all-or-none phenomenon (check out Bob's Galleries), merely a comment & question about an observed sexually and otherwise (e.g., also a function of exposure to fractals/PC's) dimorphic response pattern, intended to ask about others' personal marketing- or neuro-physiologic response.

I can see where this is heading - let's not go there - please re-read Para's 3-4 of my original message.

DBF
 
 

Harry Bissell wrote:

Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now... and I
really have
had enough of "Silly Love Songs"....

There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its
just that WOMEN
shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so production
favors kitch!

Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!!  Death
Metal Forever !!!

H^)  (as)  Idi Amin, Uganda.

DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>
> Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and
> the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!
>
> I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to
> you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same
> response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
>
> First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment
> at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and
> what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people
> haves bundles of additional images.
> And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist),
> because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior
> (albeit lubricated by ethanol).
>
> Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free
> Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images with
> softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because
> they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment,
> which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
> Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to
> receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the
> middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your
> "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).
>
> My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting"
> nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be
> included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob,
> the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of
> 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at
> least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's
> say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for the
> images offered at the forevermoments site.
>
> Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know
> is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the
> present images will be, I think, much more popular with the
> recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to
> the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.
>
> I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas,
> and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was
> almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were
> consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular
> shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the
> sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but
> true.
>
> A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was
> delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get
> well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing
> them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let
> you guess the sex of that group.
>
> Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying
> to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to
> the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to
> conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
>
> Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what a
> fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I
> can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered
> images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and
> metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
>
> At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a
> gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I
> thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all
> it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on
> a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with
> cutting-edge fractals imagery.
>
> It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you
> make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons
> and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth.
> Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e.,
> primary colors), less angular images.
>
> Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for
> sharing it with the rest of us.
>
> DeBow Freed
> <bmc1@airmail.net>
>
>
>
> Bob Margolis wrote:
>
>> Free animated fractal greeting cards:
>>
>> Forever Moments
>> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html
>>
>> Bob
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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Bissell Subject: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 15 Oct 2000 19:13:07 -0400 Ha Ha... I usually lurk, seldom post. So people probably don't know my sarcastic sense of humor (if that...). Don't take my reply too seriously. OTOH: Watch that sexist reference "whoever has different taste than ours..." because if we let out sexism (male / female), then we get into "Whatever" and not whoever. Once we cross 'species' lines there is no telling where this will go.... ;^) H^) harry DeBow Freed II PhD wrote: > Harry- > > I agree. > > Give ME the angular shapes and great palettes, too. > > But please ALSO give me some of the ones the ladies (or whoever has > different taste than ours - not my sexist reference) seem to find less > threatening. It's not an all-or-none phenomenon (check out Bob's > Galleries), merely a comment & question about an observed sexually and > otherwise (e.g., also a function of exposure to fractals/PC's) > dimorphic response pattern, intended to ask about others' personal > marketing- or neuro-physiologic response. > > I can see where this is heading - let's not go there - please re-read > Para's 3-4 of my original message. > > DBF > > > > Harry Bissell wrote: > >> Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now... >> and I >> really have >> had enough of "Silly Love Songs".... >> >> There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its >> >> just that WOMEN >> shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so >> production >> favors kitch! >> >> Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!! Death >> >> Metal Forever !!! >> >> H^) (as) Idi Amin, Uganda. >> >> DeBow Freed II PhD wrote: >> >> > Dear Bob, >> > >> > Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own >> and >> > the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed >> contribution! >> > >> > I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it >> to >> > you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the >> same >> > response among their acquaintances that I did this morning. >> > >> > First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this >> comment >> > at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, >> and >> > what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac >> people >> > haves bundles of additional images. >> > And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or >> UltraFract-ist), >> > because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human >> behavior >> > (albeit lubricated by ethanol). >> > >> > Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free >> > Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images >> with >> > softer colors and less angular composition are more popular >> because >> > they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the >> sentiment, >> > which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly. >> > Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to >> > receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in >> the >> > middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of >> your >> > "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row). >> > >> > My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more >> "inviting" >> > nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might >> be >> > included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, >> Bob, >> > the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set >> (#10 of >> > 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at >> > least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a >> (let's >> > say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for >> the >> > images offered at the forevermoments site. >> > >> > Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I >> know >> > is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the >> > present images will be, I think, much more popular with the >> > recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing >> to >> > the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful. >> > >> > I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in >> Dallas, >> > and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was >> > almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were >> > consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less >> angular >> > shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the >> > sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird >> but >> > true. >> > >> > A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was >> > delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get >> >> > well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and >> signing >> > them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll >> let >> > you guess the sex of that group. >> > >> > Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately >> trying >> > to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on >> to >> > the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to >> > conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic." >> > >> > Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue >> what a >> > fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and >> I >> > can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you >> proffered >> > images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities >> and >> > metallic palette of most are a turn-off. >> > >> > At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a >> > gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting >> (I >> > thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe >> all >> > it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's >> on >> > a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with >> > cutting-edge fractals imagery. >> > >> > It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images >> you >> > make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid >> cartoons >> > and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's >> bandwidth. >> > Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful >> (i.e., >> > primary colors), less angular images. >> > >> > Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for >> > sharing it with the rest of us. >> > >> > DeBow Freed >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bob Margolis wrote: >> > >> >> Free animated fractal greeting cards: >> >> >> >> Forever Moments >> >> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion >> List >> >> >> >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> >> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> >> Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >> >> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe >> fractint" >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks >> > for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post >> >> > Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: >> > majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: >> > twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com >> > "unsubscribe fractint" >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >> >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks > for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post > Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: > majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: > twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com > "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal greeting cards Date: 16 Oct 2000 16:31:07 +1300 > Sweetests Day, Oct. 21 > in the States. > Never head of it, myself. Morgan L. Owens "Me and 5.8 billion other people, I'd guess" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 16-10-00 (Fractal Foliage [6]) Date: 16 Oct 2000 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 16, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The midget in today's FOTD appears to be peeking through a forest of foliage. What better name than "Fractal Foliage" could be given to such a scene? The parent fractal of today's image consists of three circles, the whole thing surrounded on the west side by a series of concentric arcs. Today's scene lies deep in the outermost arc on the southwest side. The expression that created the parent fractal is so whimsical that I'll not bother repeating it here, but for those who are interested, the parameters are given in the parameter file that appears at the end of this discussion. The render time of just under 7 minutes makes a download of the GIF image file the wiser choice. That download may be found on the Usenet group: and on the W.W.Web at: If the FOTD web site is not working as it should, contact Paul Lee, who maintains the site. I only find the fractals and write the discussions. And speaking of things to discuss, we have the fractal weather in particular. It was another perfect day here in Fractal Land. The sunny skies and temperature of 81F (27C) were ideal for cats and their pet humans alike. The philosophy is still brewing, though an eruption is still a number of days in the future. But keep in touch; you wouldn't want to miss the excitement when the eruption inevitably happens. A glance at the wall clock shows that the time has come to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. Until 24 hours from now, take care, and perhaps the best thing of all about fractals is that they're absolutely free. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Foliage { ; time=0:06:50.51 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-8.938876274351706/-9.976549500589202/452\ .3876/1/-79.999 params=-11/-1.1/-1.11/-2.222/-0.9/200 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=98 periodicity=9 colors=000S0SvAuo7rg3o`0mS0jL0gD0d60cC0dI6fMGgSQiX`j\ aYlS`piSilPfo9cp0al0di0gf3jc6m`Fo_FfYT_XTQV_JT`CSg3Q\ g0Qv0IzC9zY0zF0z00v0<3>0T00M00G0DFMTFgiFzcDv_CoVCgQA\ `L9TG9MC7F777<2>FGfIJrJLz9Lc0LF0L00O30QD0TO0XY0_i0as\ 0dz0gz3da6a09f6AjCDoIFsOGvSP0iQQXQzLMrJ<3>AGD77CFYFM\ vGJpTGlfDgso07j71<2>as0<3>mg1pd6sc9mQPgFcc3rY6rT9sOC\ sIFuCIu7LuDOvIPxMQxTSy`TzgVzoYzz_zz`zzazvczzdzyizylz\ xoxxruxurvxpvzmvzluzjszj<2>oximxilvgjvgiuggsffsfdrfc\ pdapd`od`odapccpccpadradr`fr`<2>gs_dma<3>YVmXQpTLrSG\ uQCxO6zM1zL0zJ0zL0vM7lOFaPLSQSIS_7Sd0OV7LMGGDPD3_90g\ 60p70r71s99u9Iv9PxAXyAczAlzCszCzzCzz<3>PzzTzyXzx_zva\ zufzs<3>szmvzlyzjzziszgjzgczfVzfMzfFzd6zd0zd<3>0zj0z\ l0zl<2>0zp0zr0zr<2>0zv0zx0zx0zs4zo9zjDzfIzcMz_QzVVzQ\ YzOPzGGzA7z40z00z00z01z46zACzGIzMMzSSzY } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL] Date: 16 Oct 2000 03:08:45 -0500 Dear Bob,

Again, my post was nothing more than a gratuitous comment, offered in the hope that some of your more conventionally "accessible" images would be offered as Cards. I LIKE your images.

I had hoped the statistically insignificant - "anecdotal" if you wish - report of one small "patient group" would be accepted in the spirit it was offered: gratitude to you, and a sense of humor (boy do we need to invent something better than smiley faces to render e-mail more expressive than it is).{;-(|) - whatever that means].

I am - thank you very much - fully aware of the other discussion groups, Damien- and non-Damien-associated, and intentionally steer a wide course around them - although I enjoy Jim Muth's contributions. My intent was to ask YOU to consider the implications of thei ssues which you elect to classify as "philofractal", based on the reaction of a small - and probably un-focused - "focus group".

How's about accepting the compliment and providing a simple response to a simple question?: Can/will you provide some of your more conventionally "accessible" fractal images as cards, or not? That's all. Lets's not glorify it into some tangential "philofractal" issue, make it sexist, or otherwise evade the issue. Guess I should have sent it via back channels.

D. Freed
 
 

Bob Margolis wrote:

Dear Dr. Freed;

I am forwarding to you this message sent nine hours ago to the FractInt
mail list. I did not see it come up on the mail list since I sent it,
hence this repeat. New information is added at the end of this message.

Bob Margolis

===================

Bob Margolis wrote:
>
> Dear Dr. Freed;
>
> Before I respond I want to say that I do not have a Web site, and,
> therefore, I in no way made any of the fractal designs exhibited at both
> fractal postcard Web sites.
>
> With that out of the way, I found you're e-mail very interesting and
> thought provoking. I would suggest that you subscribe to an e-mail
> discussion group that deals with the philosophical aspect of fractals
> and repost your e-mail addressed to me there.
>
> I do not subscribe to that forum so I don't have available the
> subscription address for you. I'm hoping someone with this (FractInt)
> mail server will read this message and tell you how to subscribe to that
> forum. I'm leaving the house now and won't be back until later this
> evening. If I see that no one has provided you with the philosophical
> forum e-mail address, I will get it for you from one of several people
> who I know are list members.
>
> I think you will be well rewarded in discussing the effects of fractal
> colors and shapes upon the non-fractal public in that forum.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bob Margolis

Since that message was written, I asked someone for the e-mail address
of that fractal philosophy discussion group I mentioned. Here is his
response:

Bob,

 - What is the e-mail subscription address for the fractals philosphy
 - group?

philofractal@lists.fractalus.com

So if you want to subscribe, send mail to this address:

philofractal-subscribe@lists.fractalus.com

...and follow the instructions you're sent.

Damien M. Jones   \\
dmj@fractalus.com  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal greeting cards Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:09:25 -0400 Morgan, - > Sweetests Day, Oct. 21 - > in the States. - > - Never head of it, myself. It's a new "holiday" cooked up by various commercial interests to be a fall Valentine's Day. It's so commercialized right from the start it makes me gag, but I had one woman tell me flat-out that she didn't care, an excuse for her man to be thinking of her was what mattered. *sigh* Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: (fractint) Another fractal greeting Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:09:29 -0400 D. Freed, - I am - thank you very much - fully aware of the other - discussion groups, Damien- and non-Damien-associated, and - intentionally steer a wide course around them - although I - enjoy Jim Muth's contributions. Then you need not fear the philofractal list. Although it runs through my server, I don't personally run it. In fact I'm not even a subscriber. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 17-10-00 (A Nice Fractal Midget [8]) Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:07:16 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 17, 2000 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: In the world of science, things that are long assumed to be true sometimes prove to be untrue. Why should fractals be any different? Take for example the often stated assumption that there are many Julia sets but only one Mandelbrot set. Even when the perturbed Mandelbrot sets are ignored, this assumption is untrue. It is untrue because there are at least two 'true' Mandelbrot sets, with all their parts intact. The familiar M-set cuts through the four-dimensional Julibrot along the plane where Z equals zero. But there is a second slice that cuts through the Julibrot in a perfect M-set -- the plane where the values of Z and C are equal. This second M-set, which I call the shadow set, is oriented exactly halfway through the double rotation between the Mandelbrot orientation and the Julia orientation. It lies at an absolute angle of 45 degrees to the classic M-set, every line in the shadow set lying at an angle of 45 degrees to every line in the classic set. This shadow set appears exactly like the classic set, though its linear dimensions are 1.4 times those of the classic set and its associated perturbed sets are strangely different. And yes, it is possible to enlarge its features to 1.4 times the size of the identical features in the classic set before reaching the limit of math precision. Is this second M-set the only oblique Julibrot slice that gives a spurious Mandelbrot set? I think so, but I'm not sure. One of these days I'll do some serious investigating, perhaps along the surface where Z equals the square root of C, but for the present I've got a rather exceptional FOTD to talk about. The math expression that drew the image is a totally whimsical journey into the land of fractional negative exponents. A quick check of the parameters will show the exact values. Try as I might, even after spending 1/2 hour coloring the picture, I could think of no suitable name for it, so I settled on the generic description "A Nice Fractal Midget". A second look convinced me that the rating of an exceptional 8 is fully justified. The parent fractal is the latest in my series of 'parent' images, which are characterized by a prominent 'fan' and lots of rings. The scene of today's image is located at the edge of the fan. The parameter file takes 9-1/2 minutes to render, making a download of the GIF image file the wise choice. The image file has been posted to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and to Paul Lee's web site at: The fractal weather today was less perfect than yesterday, but still perfect enough to keep the cats happy. The partly cloudy skies and temperature of 73F (23C) lured them onto the porch, from where they bounded down into the grass to chase butterflies. The philosophy is smouldering, and could burst into flames at any time. I'm currently pondering the relation between fractals and the mind. Something may come of my thoughts, or perhaps nothing will. Regardless, I'll be here again tomorrow with another fractal and more gossip. Until then, take care, and be happy in your fractaling. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_NiceFractlMidget { ; time=0:09:36.66 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+4.39976788244362300/+0.25116878814085030\ /80669.34/1/7.5 params=-1.11/-11.1/-11.1/-1.11/0/300 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=0 logmap=125 periodicity=9 colors=000`0Ta0T<7>f7Yf8Yg9ZgAZ<2>iD_iF_iF_jGajGajHa\ jHblJb<3>mLdmLemNeoNeoOgoOgpQfpQhpRhqOipRhpThpUgpXgp\ Yfp_fp`epcepddpedpfcoicojbokbon`on`os_or_ovZovZoyYoz\ YrzYoy6oyAoyDovHoqJ<2>odTo_WoXZoR`oNblK`iKZjJXmKWpJT\ qGS<2>qFM<2>eNTaPVYQXVS_RTbNUdLVg<2>M_pM`nNanO`mN`kP\ ZkP_jPYiPYgQXgQXfQWdPTgQWdQYcQ_bQa`SdZRgYTjYUkXXnUYq\ TZsS_vQbyObyMcyLgyHfyKcyM_xPXuQTqTPlVLjWGeYFa_EZbBWc\ ASf8Oi5Mj4Im2Ep09r07t04w00x00x00w<3>0Bj0Eg1Gd1Ib2LZ4\ NW5QT5TQ6WM7YK9aI9dGBhCCk9Do7Dr4Fv0Gy0Hy0Iy0Fy0Dv0Cr\ 0Al09j28e45a64W72Q90JA0FD0CE3EB9IBEK8JO7OU4SY3Xa1<2>\ ml0wr0qn0mm3ik9ejG`gNXeUUcZQbdMakSZrWXx_TxbQxgPxjWxo\ bxsixwix<4>wixuixrixoixnix<3>dhxahx`hx<2>dhxfixfix<3\ >jixjixlix<3>qixoixEgxCgxCgxBgxBgx9gx<2>8fxFgxMgxThx\ Yhx<4>Mgx } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 18-10-00 (A Fractal Gone Batty [6]) Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:05:02 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 18, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: That time of the year is fast approaching when we turn our thoughts to the supernatural world of witches, vampires, mummies, wolf-men, ghosts, and monsters of various and sundry appearances. Of course, we know that these things are mere entertaining distractions, and fun for children. They certainly do not actually exist -- well, after seeing today's picture, I should change that statement to they *almost* certainly do not exist. Today's fractal image is a serendipitous discovery. I zoomed in on the wrong area by mistake, but my mistake turned out to be no mistake, for there in an area I would never have suspected of harboring a midget, I found today's image. After a few minutes of coloring the picture, I settled on the present palette. I studied the image for several more minutes before recognizing the spooky aura to the scene. Those dark sharp-angled shapes floating around the midget could be vampire bats out for a quick snack. Or the shapes could be a group of less-sinister bats flitting before the midget, which could well be a full moon. Regardless, I named the picture "A Fractal Gone Batty". The parameter file renders in a slow 14-1/2 minutes. Since the GIF image file downloads in only one minute, I strongly recommend going to Usenet at: or to the Web at: where the GIF file has been posted, and downloading it from there. The fractal weather today was cloudy, with just enough rain to dampen the grass. The wet grass, along with a temperature of 59F (15C), confined the fractal cats to the indoors, where they managed to pass the day sleeping. I've still got the fractal philosophy on hold, while I work up the energy for a major eruption. But before I philosophize, I must decide exactly what fractal philosophy is. I'll have at least 24 hours to make that decision. Until next time, which by a rare coincidence will be in 24 hours, take care, and why do we enjoy fractals? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_FractalGoneBatty { ; time=0:14:32.72 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+3.71720703183797900/+2.40733321225409000\ /204985.2/1/125 params=-1.11/-11.1/-11.1/-1.11/0/300 float=y maxiter=2400 inside=0 logmap=240 periodicity=9 colors=000KP7IP5<2>FN3DN2CM0<3>7K05K04J0<3>1H00H00G0\ <3>1D01G00K0<3>2_52d62g62k82oA2tB2xC3zE3zF3zG2zH1zK1\ xL1tN1qP0lR0iU0eV0bX0ZZ0Wa0Tb0Pe0Mh0Jk0Hl<2>08u06w02\ z01z<2>10z45z68x8DuAHrDLoGQlJViMYgOadRgbUkaYq``u`<3>\ ahgaehcekcbnc_qcWtdUwdRzeTxeSwgSugSugStgSriUrhTqiToi\ TokTnjTl<2>lUjlUinUinUhoVgoVgnZfn`encfngflhflje<2>nr\ dnnbnl`oiaog_qc_qaZr_ZrWXtUXtPVuMVuKTwGTwERsAQo7Qk5P\ g1Ud0Yb0ab0gc0kb0ib0hc0gb0eb0eb0db0b_1ag1an2`p3`q3Zq\ 3Zm2Wi2Ue1Te0Ye0de0id0kc2lc3ld4nd5nh7oj8ql9qnAroCrrE\ tuGuwHuzKwzNwzQy<2>z_zzezzizzhzzbzzXwzUrzQpzPlzKizJg\ zHc<2>z9Uz6Qz5Nz6Lz7IzAGzBCzCAzD7<3>oH9lIAiJAgKBeLBb\ MB<2>WPDUQDQQEPSENUEMVGJWGJYHHZHF_ICaHBbH<3>2hJ0iK0k\ L0lL1nP3oU5qY8raBteFuiHwmKxrNzvQzzTzzWzxXzs_zn`zjbzg\ bzfbzdbzcaz`az_bzZbzWazUazRazQQzA } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoWeber Subject: (fractint) updated website Date: 18 Oct 2000 01:20:23 -0400 Hi All, I rebuild my website for faster loading and easier navigation and added a= lot of new stuff. Feel free to visit it, comments are welcome. Cheers --Jo Weber-- http://www.joweber.de Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) Date: 19 Oct 2000 01:08:41 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 19, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Things got a little busy again today here at Fractal Central, which doubles as a graphic design shop when it's not busy being the fractal shoppe. With enough work to keep me hopping like a rabbit, I found little time to search for fractals, but in the brief time I found, I generated the sqrt(Z)+C Mandeloid. The default image of this expression drawn by the MandelbrotBC formula is quite interesting, with a spectacular main stem extending well beyond the default screen, and many promising side filaments. I did my searching along one of these side filaments. The midgets become quite difficult to locate when the exponent of Z is much less than two. In these cases, the filaments are the easiest places to find the midgets. As is the case with midgets in all low-order fractals, the midget in today's image is surrounded by sharp, almost dagger-like discontinuities, though the sharpness is somewhat offset by the mass of convolu- ted, twisting filaments. When I saw the convolutions, I named the picture "Convoluted Fractal" and gave it the honor of being a FOTD. The 7-minute render time is a bit excessive for an image that rates only a 5. Therefore, my advice is to go to the Usenet group: or to Paul Lee's web site at: and download the GIF image file from there. The fractal weather today was rainy in the morning, followed by a clearing in mid-afternoon. Despite the late sun and tempera- ture of 66F (19C), the grass remained too wet for the fractal cats, who amused themselves indoors by sleeping and eating. My fractal philosophy remains suppressed, but may arise at any moment. Don't miss tomorrow's FOTD. If the philosophy rises between now and then, you'll want to be in on the action. And that's it for this evening fractal fans. Until next time, take care and fractals are just as real as we make them. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Convoluted_Fractal { ; time=0:07:13.72 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=branchct.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC passes=1 center-mag=-0.84997772846451300/+0.37369015583381380\ /11165.74/1/140 params=1.414213762373/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=15000 inside=0 logmap=130 periodicity=10 colors=000IEcICc<3>FCcHE_JFYKFUMGRNGPPHPQKMRLJTMHUOD\ WQBYS8YUB<3>YYIYZJY_MY`NY`PY`QZ`TZ`UZ`WZ`Y``_```````\ ``abcabdacfacgacjadkbdlccmbao<3>cVrcTrcRsdQudOueNveK\ weJweGxfGyfDy<2>g9zhByiDwhEuiGrjHqjKokLllNjlOimQgoSe\ <2>qYbq``r`ZsbXscWudTveRvgPwhOxjL<2>ynG<4>zaIzZJzXJz\ ULzSLzOLzNMzJLzHLxIKwIKvIIuHI<3>pIHoIGlIGkIGjHE<2>fI\ DeIDdIBcHB`HB_IAZIAYI9WH8VH8UH8TI7QH6NG6KE5ID4<2>A92\ 8817817916A06C07E0<3>7J06K05L07O09Q2BR3CT4FR5GT7<2>L\ UAMUBPUDQUESUFTTGVUIWUIZWJ<5>h`RjaTlcUmcVpdXqeYsfZuf\ `whaxhb<11>wpfwqgwrg<2>wthwthvtj<3>vvkvwkwxlwxlwylwz\ n<3>xzoxzoxzpxzpxznxzluziozg<3>VzXPzVIzS<2>MzMOzOQzP\ QzQ<2>UzSWzTXzV<4>bz_dz`dz`<3>jzflzgmzh<2>pzlqzmrzm<\ 2>pzq } frm:MandelbrotBC = { ; Z = Z^E + C e=p1 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*trunc(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) updated website Date: 19 Oct 2000 01:40:32 -0400 Jo, > > Hi All, > > I rebuild my website for faster loading and easier navigation and added a > lot of new stuff. > Feel free to visit it, comments are welcome. This one will be: Those mandelbrot zooms are AMAZIMG!!! Wonderful colour! Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) Date: 19 Oct 2000 01:45:01 EDT For some reason, this one isn't linked from the October 2000 index page. However, it's still accessible by directly punching in the filename. (Using the URL for yesterday's and a little prestidigitation...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) Date: 19 Oct 2000 00:51:40 -0500 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > For some reason, this one isn't linked from > the October 2000 index page. Yes, it is. :-) > > However, it's still accessible by directly > punching in the filename. You might try refreshing your browser's cache. Both pages get uploaded at the same time, and tested afterwards. P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Rayleigh Quotient iteration Date: 19 Oct 2000 09:06:43 -0500 Are any of the formulas writers among you familiar with the Rayleigh Quotient iteration? I was reading a four-page article about it last night in Chaos and Fractals: A Computer Graphical Journey, which came out two years ago and was edited by Clifford Pickover. The article says, "The Rayleigh Quotient Iteration is a numerical technique for estimating eigenvalues. It typically converges to an eigenvalue quadratically, but the convergence is cubic when the matrix is Hermitian. While there is a sense of unpredictability in the convergence, distinct basins of attraction often have smooth boundaries." Twelve illustrations accompany the article and some of them appear to be similar to Newton basins. The illustrations were colorful and I thought they could lead toward interesting FractInt-generated pictures. You can see what what I'm writing about by referring to an illustration I found at http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~reiterc/aa/index.html. I found a lengthy article at http://etna.mcs.kent.edu/ In Volume 7 (1998) entitled "A Block Rayleigh Quotient Iteration with Local Quadratic Convergence" in pdf and postscript format. I printed out the pdf version, and, upon reading it, exclaimed, "Duhhhhhhhhhhhh." What I was hoping to do was write a formula for FractInt based upon the RQI, but I see my Duhhhhhhhhhh prevents that. Can anyone help me in that regard? Bob Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 00:06:51 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 20, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is a new view of an old friend. The friend is the classic Mandelbrot set, which is one of only two of its kind. Actually, since the Z parameter is equal to the C parameter, today's fractal is a scene in the second M-set, the one I call the shadow set. The strangely stretched and twisted object is an unfamiliar view of the last midget out on the negative tail that is within reach of the double-precision math routine. This midget is located at C=-1.999999117... on the tail. When seen as a Mandelbrot midget or a Julia set, this object is surrounded by the neat, symmetrical pattern of a midget near the escape radius, with features bifurcating in a 2,4,8,16... series as they approach the midget. But today's picture is neither a Mandelbrot midget nor a Julia set. The plane of today's image is oriented within a few degrees of the Rectangular direction of the Julibrot. This Rectangular plane is determined by imag(z) and imag(c). At this odd angle, (which is the name I gave to the picture), the nice neat 2,4,8... series has been stretched and twisted into a grotesque parody of itself. Even the 2,4,8... series has been obliterated, and replaced by an indescribable series of ever- smaller features. The whole thing makes more of a mathematical curiosity than a work of art, so I could rate the image at only a 4. But despite the low rating, it is not without its merit, and the render time of 11 seconds is fast enough to make the parameter file the most efficient way to view the image. For those who would prefer to download the GIF image, that image is available at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and at: The fractal weather today was perfect, with brilliant Autumn sun and a temperature of 70F (21C), which pleased the two fractal cats immensely. The cats are still pleased, but they would be even more pleased if I were to feed them, so I guess it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a day and a night. Until the next time, which is coming in 24 hours, take care, and exalt in your fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Oddest_Angle { ; time=0:00:11.50 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=multirot.frm formulaname=multesc4-XZ-YW passes=t center-mag=-0.00\ 000000000271445/-0.00000000001024659/5.033505e+011/0\ .07201/106.91/-79.243 params=99.3/107.3/-1.999999117\ 587294/0/-1.999999117587294/0 float=y maxiter=550 inside=0 outside=real logmap=36 periodicity=10 colors=000RYbXcY_jSZbJZXAUK0cMEgIRmFbqBomIUwSozkczzS\ nrNafIOUDBF87MH4OO2SX0Vc0Zk0as0cz8RvQFqNHoMUoJZnIMmF\ NmEOkBQkARj2F03H03I23I44J84KD4KF6MJ6NN6NQ7OU7QY7Q_8R\ c8SgYegXci<3>RaiQaiO_iN_iMZiKZiKYjJYjjN8qNA0zw_6izez\ 0SkMKqiDvz4zgDkKKY0RJAZKKfKXmMfuMqzMoeKoJJo0J8z0Hz0N\ w4VrBamHggNobSvYZzSczQjzNqzMvvRw<3>akwXqwRvwMzw<2>2Z\ r0Qq0Ho0QfBZYKgOMaUMXYMRaNKf<2>N4rZDejJSvQFzX2gEifHc\ <3>fMJfNEeMEbKDaKD_JBSoaXrbZubbwcfzeizemzfozfgsb_cZU\ OXM8SF0QUAegQsuczDIE8JF6JF2KF0KF0MF0MF0MF0RSAVeJZrJX\ nJUkJSi<2>Q8II8XA8j38w4Hs4Oo4Vm6bi6if6qb6w_Ayc<2>Mzm\ QzqUzsXzv0UX6X_HYbHYbHXbFXcFXcFXcEVe<2>DVfDVfBUgBUgB\ UgAUiASiASi8Sj8SjzzHzzJzzKwzMuwNquQnsRjqSgnUcmVajYYi\ ZVf_RcaObbQzYNuV<2>JeNMfOOgQRiRSjR<2>_nVym8siAnfBjcB\ eaD_ZEXXEbaUifinky6_fESaMMYUFUa8Qg2M_MkHXS0e830z87zE\ EuIKnNRi } frm:multesc4-XZ-YW {; Jim Muth ; 0,0=para, 90,0=obl, 0,90=elip, 90,90=rect e=exp(flip(real(p1*.01745329251994))), f=exp(flip(imag(p1*.01745329251994))), z=f*real(pixel)+p2, c=e*imag(pixel)+p3: z=sqr(z)+c, |z| < 4 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 01:15:10 EDT >You might try refreshing your browser's cache. Both pages get uploaded >at the same time, and tested afterwards. Can't be. I thought that was it, but I refreshed it twice and the link didn't appear. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 01:23:07 EDT > There's definitely something flaky about home.att.net lately. Tonight, I clicked this link, and got an RST instead of an ACK from my SYN. When I tried again, I got in, but the index list only went up to "Convoluted Fractal". I refreshed it -- twice -- to no avail. Then I went to "Convoluted Fractal", altered the URL (producing http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD_00-10-20.html), and got a 404, so the fractal is not even there this time! I suggest hitting the home.att.net Webmaster over the head with a nastygram, and if the server isn't acting less flaky in a day or two, moving your site to a more reliable and better-run host. (This, unfortunately, would probably mean an annoyingly tedious change of ISPs -- I'd use the occasion as an opportunity to make the changeover to broadband...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 01:31:19 EDT Because of home.att.net's flakiness, I tediously copied the parameter entry, pasted it into Notepad, saved it, and ran it to see the results... >the render time of 11 seconds is fast enough to make the parameter >file the most efficient way to view the image. It took 39 seconds on my machine, at 1024x768 resolution. What resolution do you usually use (the Web images tend to be 640x480) and what kind of computer are you using? Mine cranks at 400 MHz and isn't a Cyrix or a Celery... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) updated website Date: 20 Oct 2000 01:34:05 EDT > > Hi All, > > > > I rebuild my website for faster loading and easier navigation and added >a > > lot of new stuff. > > Feel free to visit it, comments are welcome. > >This one will be: Those mandelbrot zooms are AMAZIMG!!! Wonderful colour! Damn. I deleted the original message, now I read this and it sounds interesting enough to be worth taking a look (in the last few years, it's gone from too few fractal sites to find many worth looking at to too many to exhaustively look at them all without prior indications of quality by word-of-mouth), but Hotmail recycled the original message so I can't retrieve it, and you didn't quote the URL. Could someone please re-post the URL? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) updated website Date: 20 Oct 2000 02:01:48 EDT In a message dated 00-10-18 01:21:47 EDT, you write: << Hi All, I rebuild my website for faster loading and easier navigation and added a lot of new stuff. Feel free to visit it, comments are welcome. Cheers --Jo Weber-- http://www.joweber.de >> there ya go, have fun! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 22:49:57 +1300 At 01:31 20/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Because of home.att.net's flakiness, I tediously copied the parameter >entry, pasted it into Notepad, saved it, and ran it to see the results... > >>the render time of 11 seconds is fast enough to make the parameter >>file the most efficient way to view the image. > >It took 39 seconds on my machine, at 1024x768 resolution. What resolution >do you usually use (the Web images tend to be 640x480) and what kind of >computer are you using? Mine cranks at 400 MHz and isn't a Cyrix or a Celery... Judging from the first line in the .par: The_Oddest_Angle { ; time=0:00:11.50 -- SF5 on a P200 I'd say he's using a Pentium 200 processor and a 640x480 resolution (though the latter isn't guaranteed - he may be using a makefcfg'd config - but the size of the posted images helps to confirm it). Morgan L. Owens "Hah! Time to play with Fractint? Me?!" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) updated website Date: 20 Oct 2000 08:13:26 EDT Nice site. I like the deepzooms, but have a suggestion for improving that area. The deepzooms seem to be organized into zoom sequences, but the sequences seem to be shown in a jumbled order. It would be nice if they were shown in sequence from least to most magnified in the thumbnail list. (I'm guessing they were numbered 1, 2, ..., 10, 11, ... and then sorted in ASCII order, which produces the bogus ordering 1, 10, 11, ..., 2, 20, ..., or they were named more arbitrary names -- manually ordering them or naming them 001, 002, ... would fix this...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 08:17:48 EDT >Judging from the first line in the .par: > >The_Oddest_Angle { ; time=0:00:11.50 -- SF5 on a P200 Oops, I forgot about that. :-) >I'd say he's using a Pentium 200 processor and a 640x480 resolution (though >the latter isn't guaranteed - he may be using a makefcfg'd config - but the >size of the posted images helps to confirm it). Hmm. Mine is a PII-class CPU, so it has better cache performance than his as well as being twice as fast in raw speed. Yet mine generated slower...must be the resolution. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) At 08:17 AM 10/20/00 EDT, you wrote: >>Judging from the first line in the .par: >> >>The_Oddest_Angle { ; time=0:00:11.50 -- SF5 on a P200 >Hmm. Mine is a PII-class CPU, so it has better cache performance >than his [Jim's] as well as being twice as fast in raw speed. Yet >mine generated slower ...must be the resolution. Yes, it is most likely the resolution. Virtually all my times are for 640x480x256 (SF5). My P200 is optimized for calculating fractals with Fractint, though this makes little difference with images that take longer than 10 minutes or so. With very fast images such as "The Oddest Angle", things other than CPU speed become more important. Just for the fun of it, I generated the image using all the available Fractint algorithms. here is a list of the running times. passes=b -- 8.0 seconds passes=g -- 8.6 seconds passes=t -- 11.5 seconds passes=1 -- 18.5 seconds passes=2 -- 18.5 seconds passes=3 -- 18.5 seconds passes=d -- 20.6 seconds Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 15:06:56 EDT >With very fast images such as "The Oddest Angle", things other than >CPU speed become more important. Algorithm overhead, video write overhead (disk-video should make this nearly nil, with a small residue for updating the text display every few seconds), and I/O overhead if it needs to swap to disk. >passes=b -- 8.0 seconds >passes=g -- 8.6 seconds >passes=t -- 11.5 seconds >passes=1 -- 18.5 seconds Makes sense. >passes=1 -- 18.5 seconds >passes=2 -- 18.5 seconds >passes=3 -- 18.5 seconds Makes sense. >passes=d -- 20.6 seconds Interesting. Looks like "diffusion" has a high overhead. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?windows-1250?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: The drawing modes (Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4])) Date: 20 Oct 2000 23:03:07 +0200 The 'overhead' of passes=d could depend on the video mode you are using. VESA modes such as SF5 use more memory than 1 segment, and the video card makes only one segment accessible at a time unless you use 32-bit protected mode. Changing that segment takes some time. The diffusion mode changes the segment many times. Also, it draws many filled rectangles unless you specify 'fillcolor=0' - it draws only dots in that case. I tried the default Mandelbrot set with the SF5 mode and I got these speeds: 1-pass 3.46 sec diffusion with fillcolor=0 7.20 sec diffusion without fillcolor=0 8.95 sec I also tried another mode (S3 only, 640*400*16 color) and got these speeds: 1-pass 1.26 sec diffusion with fillcolor=0 2.58 sec diffusion without fillcolor=0 5.98 sec You probably won't see these such a big difference with mode F3 (320*200*256 color) because that has no segment switching trouble and it's very fast anyway. I don't think that the time taken _only_ by writing the video memory is noticeable. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 20 Oct 2000 22:15:49 -0500 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > There's definitely something flaky about > home.att.net lately. Tonight, I clicked > this link, and got an RST instead of an > ACK from my SYN. When I tried again, I > got in, but the index list only went up > to "Convoluted Fractal". I refreshed it > -- twice -- to no avail. Then I went to > "Convoluted Fractal", altered the URL, > and got a 404, so the fractal is not even > there this time! > Let me explain how this works: Jim lives East of Baltimore, Maryland and uses Mindspring. I live around the Dallas, Texas area and use various other ISPs (AT&T being one of them). Jim sends the FOTD out at his own discretion, but usually between 20:00:00 and 00:30:00. He posts the same text (with the image) on the A.B.P.F. newsgroup, also at his own discretion. I usually work until late into the evening and do not get around to reading my personal email (about 125 per day) until close to midnight. At this point is when I finally get around to creating the current FOTD web page and upload that to my site (along with the updated index). I do not get a "pre-release" from Jim (not that it would do much good with my hours), so I usually receive the FOTD in my mailbox at the same time as everyone else. For those that are impatiently awaiting to view the latest FOTD image on the web page as soon as they receive Jim's email, will most likely not find it at my site. I would suggest for these people to either generate the image themselves and/or go to the newsgroup. But I do my best to make sure that the current FOTD gets uploaded to my site by no later than 01:00:00 (Central Time) of the day for that FOTD. Most times it's before midnight, so I have met my time zones date and therefore am "ontime" for that Day. :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 21-10-00 (Spindles [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 02:03:17 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 21, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I've had another very busy day, and it's now 1:50am, so this will have to be brief. Today's fractal is another one that was found with the aid of the MandelbrotMix4 formula. It's a rather somber image, with rings of sparkling highlights. I named it "Spindles" when I noticed the spindly arms radiating from the little Midget at the center. Actually, the spindly arms are far more prominent beyond the borders of today's image, but when calculated at that lesser magnitude, much of the inner detail is lost. The rating of 6 might have been a 7 if I had had more time to work with the color. With a render time of 13 minutes, the parameter file tries one's patience. By far the best way to view the picture is to down- load the GIF file of the image from Usenet at: or from the web at: The fractal weather was perfect today. But the cloudless sky and temperature of 72F (22C) made the fractal cats a bit too active when let outdoors. At one time, normally placid Tippy dashed across the street and was retrieved only after a brief chase. The philosophy is brewing; the topic is still not determined. I'll return with further fractal activity in 22 hours. Until then, take care, and I wonder when they'll start giving gold medals for fractal excellence. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Spindles { ; time=0:13:13.06 -- SF5 on a P200 ; Version 2000 Patchlevel 14 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=t center-mag=-0.95640274578812510/+0.00339046234964929\ /3.555076e+009/1/17.499 params=-8/-0.8/0.8/-8/-2.35/0 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=250 periodicity=9 colors=00000Q0`J0`J0ZO0XUCVYNTcZTiiRluPrzNxzLz<13>zk\ zzmzzozzqzzszzszzuzzvzzvzzxzzzz<8>zzzzzzzzz<3>zzzqzv\ <2>HzJGzLEzLEvMCsMAoOAkO8gQ6dQ6`S4BS2TU2CU0LW0HW0EY0\ AY06_02_00a00a00c00c00i00c00_00W40S80OE6JHAFNEBRJ7XN\ 5`R5dV5gX7i`BmbDqeHsgLvkOzmQzqUzsYzvazxczzgzzjzzlzzl\ zzlzul<3>zXlzRlzLlzLlzGlzLHzR5ob5md5<2>md5mdBmdFkeLk\ eQkeUke_keckeiignigrigxigz<2>igzeizbkz`kzXmzVozRozPq\ zLqzJszGuzEuzAvz8xz4xz2zz0zz<4>0zz0zz0zz<3>0zz0zv2zp\ 4xj6xe8xYAvSCvMGuHHu9Ju5Ls5Ns5Ps5Pe5PTLPGhP2rJ0zP0zT\ 0zZ0zb2ze8zkCzoGzuJxxPvzTvzXtz`rzdrzbn<2>zbgzbez`az`\ _z`Yx`Uv`Su`QsZMqZLoZJmZFkZDhZCeZBb`5_e5Yg5ZiB4kU0kl\ 0mi0og0qe0qa2s_6uYCvWHvSLxQRzOXzM`zJezHkzFmzBozDozDo\ zFozFozFozHozHqzHqzJqzJqzJqzLqzLszHqzLozMozOmzQmzSkz\ WizY } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: (fractint) Multip Bogeys - Spare us please Date: 21 Oct 2000 03:34:20 -0500 A plea for sanity and bandwidth preservation:

Is it possible that Monsieur Multiple Bogeys could engage the webmeisters in private?????? If the exchanges were enlightening, it would be different. Obviously JM and PL are infinitely patient with us amateurs.

Speaking only for myself, I'm tired of multiple examplars of "Multiple Bogeys" ', horizontal learning curve. [No doubt MB feels the same about my non-contributory invasions of Muth and Lee's space, and my rude & uncivil comment, for which I apologize in advance. MB has just as much right to learn online as I do to post vapid & longwinded messages ( for which no self-appointed wizard has given me a hard time opnline) - at least MB is talking about Fractint).]

I thought the discussion group existed for everyone's mutual - as opposed to personal - learning curve and enlightenment.[Right: who elected me asshole of the week? No doubt all subscribers . . . . . .]

Just a comment. ..  . . . . . [sorry , smileyfaces are against my religion].
 

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Multiple Bogeys wrote:

>With very fast images such as "The Oddest Angle", things other than
>CPU speed become more important.

Algorithm overhead, video write overhead (disk-video should make this nearly
nil, with a small residue for updating the text display every few seconds),
and I/O overhead if it needs to swap to disk.

>passes=b --  8.0 seconds
>passes=g --  8.6 seconds
>passes=t -- 11.5 seconds
>passes=1 -- 18.5 seconds

Makes sense.

>passes=1 -- 18.5 seconds
>passes=2 -- 18.5 seconds
>passes=3 -- 18.5 seconds

Makes sense.

>passes=d -- 20.6 seconds

Interesting. Looks like "diffusion" has a high overhead.
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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: Re: (fractint) Multip Bogeys - Spare us please Date: 21 Oct 2000 15:05:49 GMT D. Freed, >A plea for sanity and bandwidth preservation: This is rich coming from someone who has their HTML setting on. >Speaking only for myself, I'm tired of multiple examplars of "Multiple >Bogeys" ', horizontal learning curve. This is rude. >I thought the discussion group existed for everyone's mutual - as >opposed to personal - learning curve and enlightenment.[Right: who >elected me asshole of the week? No doubt all subscribers . . . . . .] No, the list is to help people with questions. No doubt I've sent some messages which other people have frowned upon, but they're all too polite to say anything. >Just a comment. .. . . . . . [sorry , smileyfaces are against my >religion]. Lighten up ;-) From, Rupert _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: The drawing modes (Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4])) Date: 21 Oct 2000 11:15:24 EDT >VESA modes such as SF5 use more memory than 1 segment, and the video card >makes only one segment accessible at a time unless you use 32-bit protected >mode. Changing that segment takes some time. Another reason to update Fractint's architecture for the 90s. >The diffusion mode changes the segment many times. Also, it draws many >filled rectangles unless you specify >'fillcolor=0' - it draws only dots in that case. Guessing draws just as many. >diffusion with fillcolor=0 7.20 sec >diffusion without fillcolor=0 8.95 sec This box overhead of about 1.75 sec will be the same on all images with passes=d or g, and negligible compared to calculation time on most images. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 11:19:38 EDT Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Certainly a counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being confused. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 14:38:40 -0400 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD simultaneously > to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is posted to the list and > newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later it is *then* posted > on the Web? This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it > means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at is a lie for > several hours before becoming true! Certainly a counter-intuitive way to > manage the thing. It's no wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being > confused. When you complain about how Jim and Paul freely provide you with interesting and often beautiful images and discussion of them you mark yourself out as a foolish and ungrateful person. You are not entitled to have Jim and Paul arrange their lives to suit you. If you don't like how they manage things, feel free to ignore the FOTD posts. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 15:09:10 -0400 At 11:19 AM 10/21/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD simultaneously >to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is posted to the list and >newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later it is *then* posted >on the Web? This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it >means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at is a lie for >several hours before becoming true! Certainly a counter-intuitive way to >manage the thing. It's no wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being >confused. Maybe you are right. And maybe Paul, who is doing this gratuitously at no charge and as a favor to Jim and the fractal community should simply not be doing it all. And maybe you should have a bit of patience if something isn't there immediately. And maybe I'll go back to lurking. davides@pipeline.com Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 16:58:53 -0400 >> Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is poste= d to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later = it is *then* posted on the Web? << Yes, you do have it straight! You are indeed able to grasp how it all works. Any other questions? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: The drawing modes (Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4])) Date: 21 Oct 2000 23:22:15 +0200 >Another reason to update Fractint's architecture for the 90s. I think it's a small reason - and it's maybe a bit too late to update something to the 90's :) >Guessing draws just as many. I don't think so - guessing fills the screen only for each pass - only 5 times for SF7, less for lower res. modes, and diffusion can fill it many times - each level fills the whole screen and it has _more_ levels. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Life of the FOTD Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:30:04 -0400 (EDT) At 11:19 AM 10/21/00 EDT, Multiple Bogeys wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the >FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, >and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? What happens in the life of the FOTD is this: When I complete my day's work, usually after 8pm, I relax with a brief trip to the world of fractals. When I find a promising image, I fuss with the colors. If the result is acceptable, I make the image the FOTD. If not, I try again. Then I study the image for a few minutes, trying to decide what to write about it and the day in general. By the time I finish writing, it is usually near 10pm. After a late snack, I read the article one more time to check for accuracy, then I post the image and discussion to the Usenet group. Occasionally, the Mindspring news server is down, which delays the Usenet posting. Next I post the discussion to the fractint list and the philofractal list. The version posted to the philofractal list often has material that I omit from the versions posted to the Fractint list and Usenet group. I do not send a personal e-mail to Paul. He receives the discussion from one of the mailing lists, and I assume he receives the image from the Usenet group. When he has the material, he posts it to his web site as soon as he can, but he too leads a busy life, and sometimes the posting to the web site is delayed. >This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it >means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at >is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Then wait a few hours before visiting the web site, and presto -- that lie will magically be transformed into an honorable truth. >Certainly a counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no >wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being confused. As I state in every FOTD, the image can also be obtained by running the parameter file or downloading it from Usenet. If the time lag and occasional bad links at the web site annoy anyone, they may obtain the image from one of these alternate sources. The FOTD for October 22 is coming soon. (I hope) Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) Life of the FOTD Date: 21 Oct 2000 21:15:53 -0400 Jim Muth wrote: > > At 11:19 AM 10/21/00 EDT, Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD > >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the > >FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, > >and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? > > What happens in the life of the FOTD is this: It's nice of you to outline the process of the FOTD, but clearly you're not doing enough. You need to show up on Multiple Bogeys doorstep each evening with a framed print of that day's FOTD. He just might thank you then. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 22-10-00 (Seaweed [5]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 21:28:11 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 22, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I have no idea why I named today's fractal image "Seaweed". The word just came into my head and wouldn't go away. I guess the green highlights do look a bit like a mass of kelp seen from a distance, though kelp is more brown than green. Regardless of the reason, the name of the FOTD is "Seaweed" and will remain so for all time. The whimsical expression -0.1Z^(-11)-1.1Z^(-0.9)+(1/C) was iterated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula to produce the image. In its original form, little but a skeletal outline of features was visible, so I redid the scene with the inside fill set to atan to add solidity. Despite my best efforts, the image rates no better than a 5, which is average and marginally worth the almost 17 minutes required to run the parameter file. A far better way to view the scene is to download the GIF file of the image from the Usenet group: or from Paul Lee's web site at: where if it is not already posted, it soon will be. The fractal weather was once again perfect today here at Fractal Central, with sunny skies and a temperature of 76F (24.5C), which pleased the cats. The cats showed their approval by staying securely within the bounds of their own yard, chasing only an occasional monarch butterfly. The clock tells me it's exactly 9pm; my stomach tells me it's time for a sandwich; the cats tell me it's time for their tuna. Add all this together and it must be time to shut down the fractal shoppe for another day. Until next time, take care, and whatever happened to Xylen, leader of the philofractal list? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Seaweed { ; time=0:16:48.54 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.29310692525035/-5.11258097558134/89623\ 9.2/1/57.5 params=1/-11/11/-0.9/-1.1/2000 float=y maxiter=1600 inside=atan logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000kD7hwG<3>iXcNNF<2>vUrhSq0000005Nn6Lo0008Hq\ <2>ABs<3>QcsPmaOwLUZVZBcVBbRCaNC`<3>18h<3>1P`1TZ1XX1\ `W<3>ZNRgKQoHPwEO<3>bBfYAjT9oO9s<3>bmA<3>8fN1eQDYR<2\ >iDU<3>R5PyS7c9z<3>PUdLZZHcUEhP<3>ewBkz8blJ<2>C8o<3>\ 44CK0NKJA`YIqlPZ1MVGYSVhPrx3EM<2>l2P<3>s6Lu7Kv8JTqm<\ 3>MShKLgJFfH8eG2d<3>7`c5ic3qc<3>jy6<3>gf`gbhfYpfUw<3\ >Y0k<3>fIsiMukRwmVyoZzKts<3>S`pUWoWRnYMmZIm<3>N`aKdZ\ HiWEmTBeY8Yb<3>VcP000feJkfG<2>cLW<3>oqzdj_hh`lgae9l<\ 4>jEqj7qh9o<3>`GjcQieahhjfjsilzk<2>VeuPZxH`kAaZ3bN<3\ >LpQPtQTwRXzR<2>wza<3>NzFEzAGzDHzFJzHKzJ<3>HzA<3>Nz8\ Oz8Qz7Rz7Sz7<3>7zt<6>Wzxbzliz`hzW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Childress Subject: (fractint) Contest 2K CDROM Orders Date: 21 Oct 2000 21:10:18 -0700 Hi Everyone, I know everyone is anxiously awaiting Damien to complete the contest site, which is hopefully very soon. I know everyone appreciates the effort Damien is putting in, and I'm sure he appreciates the patience everyone is exhibiting. Since many of you are planning to order the contest site on CDROM for easier viewing, Damien asked me to send out this message so that you might get a jump on that process. I will be handling the processing of the orders, so I wanted to get the ordering information out so that those interested could send in their orders in advance to speed up receipt of the CDROMs once the site is finished. I'll will be accepting orders for those of you in the US, and also other parts of North and South America. Other locations will be handled by another person. For those of you in the US, the cost is $7.00. If the CD is to be shipped outside of the US, the cost is $10.00. Payment may be made by check, money order, cashiers check in US funds only. Cash will be accepted, but you send that at your own risk. Send orders to: Ken Childress 2412 Mathews Ave., #5 Redondo Beach, CA 90278 You may also wish to send me an email indicating that the "check is in the mail". :-) Please do not post my address on any other lists. I'll be making a separate annoucement on the news groups. If there are any questions, please contact me privately. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Bissell Subject: Re: (fractint) Life of the FOTD Date: 22 Oct 2000 01:06:54 -0400 Tee Hee... Hey this is GREAT. Nothing like a nice flamewar to get the blood boiling again. Knock each other out !!! H^) harry Mike Traynor wrote: > Jim Muth wrote: > > > > At 11:19 AM 10/21/00 EDT, Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > > > >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD > > >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the > > >FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, > > >and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? > > > > What happens in the life of the FOTD is this: > > It's nice of you to outline the process of the FOTD, but clearly > you're not doing enough. You need to show up on Multiple Bogeys > doorstep each evening with a framed print of that day's FOTD. > He just might thank you then. > > Mike > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: makin_mischief@webtv.net Subject: Re: Re: (fractint) Another fractal greeting card URL Date: 22 Oct 2000 02:47:37 -0700 (PDT) --WebTV-Mail-17012-2242 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Speaking as a woman... I prefer the sharp angles and bright, intense color pallets of the fractal greeting cards. I'm shocked that fractals are not appreciated for being...Fractals! by more members of my sex. Hey girls, ladies, women...wake up and enjoy the fractals!!! I find that too much sentiment and not enough art spoils the fun of sending email cards and I'm tired of the "usual" fare at the "usual" email card web sites. Cute n' cuddly? Not for me. An "edge" is refreshing. Carolann Brock --WebTV-Mail-17012-2242 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by storefull-236.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id E295FF2; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: makin_mischief@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B72205 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13kwIk-0002dw-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:30:42 -0600 Message-ID: <39EA3108.BB84190F@airmail.net> Organization: The BMC Group / USA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39E9A5A0.CC29F474@wwa.com> <39E9EEC3.E18E46CD@airmail.net> <39E9F8D0.5E7FA7C8@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Harry-

I agree.

Give ME the angular shapes and great palettes, too.

But please ALSO give me some of the ones the ladies (or whoever has different taste than ours - not my sexist reference) seem to find less threatening. It's not an all-or-none phenomenon (check out Bob's Galleries), merely a comment & question about an observed sexually and otherwise (e.g., also a function of exposure to fractals/PC's) dimorphic response pattern, intended to ask about others' personal marketing- or neuro-physiologic response.

I can see where this is heading - let's not go there - please re-read Para's 3-4 of my original message.

DBF
 
 

Harry Bissell wrote:

Nah... there is enough "My Little Pony" images in the world now... and I
really have
had enough of "Silly Love Songs"....

There is no problem with angular shapes, hard metallic colors... its
just that WOMEN
shop in the Hallmark store, not men (no market there...) so production
favors kitch!

Give me the ultra hard razor sharp fractal greeting cards !!!  Death
Metal Forever !!!

H^)  (as)  Idi Amin, Uganda.

DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>
> Thanks for the heads up on fractal greeting cards - both your own and
> the site listed below. What a thoughtful and well-timed contribution!
>
> I have a question/comment and am posting it rather than sending it to
> you personally because I wonder how others feel - or observe the same
> response among their acquaintances that I did this morning.
>
> First, the qualifiers: I feel particularly foolish making this comment
> at all as I have nothing of my own in the way of images to offer, and
> what you have done is so nice. But you guys and the Ultrafrac people
> haves bundles of additional images.
> And I hope that my comment is not taken as sexist (or UltraFract-ist),
> because it's not meant to be - just an observation of human behavior
> (albeit lubricated by ethanol).
>
> Finally, a quick poll of my friends at aol, yahoo and other free
> Greeting Card services confirms the unsurprising fact that images with
> softer colors and less angular composition are more popular because
> they are perceived to be consistent with the content of the sentiment,
> which is usually positive, friendly, or more than friendly.
> Apparently, it's neurophysiologically confusing to most people to
> receive an image that looks like "somebody's decapitated head in the
> middle of a futuristic four-bladed guillotine" (a description of your
> "Picture" #8, in the middle of the third row).
>
> My question is whether images of a somewhat softer, more "inviting"
> nature - both with respect to coloration and composition - might be
> included among the choices at the herenthere site. For example, Bob,
> the image positioned at the lower left-hand corner of your set (#10 of
> 12) uses a softer palette than all the others, and is - to me, at
> least - much more likely to provoke a positive response from a (let's
> say) hospitalized recipient than are the others. Same comment for the
> images offered at the forevermoments site.
>
> Think rainbow colors and rounder shapes. Think boring - which I know
> is difficult for you - and what you'll offer in addition to the
> present images will be, I think, much more popular with the
> recipients, less potentially frightening, terrifying oor confusing to
> the uninitiated, and I think overall, much more useful.
>
> I did a little market survey at a Brunch this morning here in Dallas,
> and what a hit your Greeting Cards were! However, the reponse was
> almost universally what I have described: non-fractaliers were
> consistently more comfortable with the softer-colors and less angular
> shapes, and often misinterpreted the combination of most of the
> sentiments and images as "sarcastic" or "insulting" (!!). Weird but
> true.
>
> A revelatory example: one group at this morning's Brunch was
> delighting in matching sentiments like "thinking of you", and "get
> well soon" with some of the more techno-spectacular cards, and signing
> them "Jeffrey Dahmer", "Dracula", and "Your Worst Nightmare". I'll let
> you guess the sex of that group.
>
> Across the room at the other laptop, the girls were desperately trying
> to generate a Javascript plug-in to automatically attach an add-on to
> the available Sentiments to create an APOLOGY to the recipient to
> conveyed that "it wasn't meant to be sarcastic."
>
> Lots of people - the vast majority, in fact, don't have a clue what a
> fractal is anyway. They're looking for a "pretty picture". You and I
> can appreciate what an incredible tour-de-force most of you proffered
> images are from a technical standpoint, but the harsh angularities and
> metallic palette of most are a turn-off.
>
> At any rate, this is in no way intended as anything other than a
> gratuitous comment and report to you of this morning's interesting (I
> thought) but statistically-insignificant marketing survey. Maybe all
> it represents is the effect of too many Mimosa's and Bloody Mary's on
> a crowd with diverse backgrounds and little familiarity with
> cutting-edge fractals imagery.
>
> It is certainly not a suggestion that you "dumb-down" the images you
> make available for Cards. God knows there are enough stupid cartoons
> and Hallmark-y email cards out there wasting the World's bandwidth.
> Just wondering if you could toss in some of your more colorful (i.e.,
> primary colors), less angular images.
>
> Thanks again for making such an outstanding contribution and for
> sharing it with the rest of us.
>
> DeBow Freed
> <bmc1@airmail.net>
>
>
>
> Bob Margolis wrote:
>
>> Free animated fractal greeting cards:
>>
>> Forever Moments
>> http://www.forevermoments.net/fractalpostcards.html
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --WebTV-Mail-17012-2242-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: makin_mischief@webtv.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) Date: 22 Oct 2000 04:15:48 -0700 (PDT) --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Paul Just want to let you know that this FOTD loaded ok for me. I've not been experiencing the problem that Multiple Bogeys has been having. CB --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 57DB816E; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: makin_mischief@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id EC736104 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13m8bl-0007WT-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:51:17 -0600 Message-ID: <39EE8BEC.4EF4@Worldnet.att.net> Organization: Nahee Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Multiple Bogeys References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > For some reason, this one isn't linked from > the October 2000 index page. Yes, it is. :-) > > However, it's still accessible by directly > punching in the filename. You might try refreshing your browser's cache. Both pages get uploaded at the same time, and tested afterwards. P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: makin_mischief@webtv.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Life of the FOTD Date: 22 Oct 2000 04:30:22 -0700 (PDT) --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Jim Thanks for sharing this information! And keep those FOTD coming. I've been enjoying them for a long time. CB --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.41) by storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 3F1C5176; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: makin_mischief@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D831A5 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13n91f-0002qI-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:30:11 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.20001021203255.3317ca30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jamth@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com At 11:19 AM 10/21/00 EDT, Multiple Bogeys wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the >FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, >and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? What happens in the life of the FOTD is this: When I complete my day's work, usually after 8pm, I relax with a brief trip to the world of fractals. When I find a promising image, I fuss with the colors. If the result is acceptable, I make the image the FOTD. If not, I try again. Then I study the image for a few minutes, trying to decide what to write about it and the day in general. By the time I finish writing, it is usually near 10pm. After a late snack, I read the article one more time to check for accuracy, then I post the image and discussion to the Usenet group. Occasionally, the Mindspring news server is down, which delays the Usenet posting. Next I post the discussion to the fractint list and the philofractal list. The version posted to the philofractal list often has material that I omit from the versions posted to the Fractint list and Usenet group. I do not send a personal e-mail to Paul. He receives the discussion from one of the mailing lists, and I assume he receives the image from the Usenet group. When he has the material, he posts it to his web site as soon as he can, but he too leads a busy life, and sometimes the posting to the web site is delayed. >This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it >means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at >is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Then wait a few hours before visiting the web site, and presto -- that lie will magically be transformed into an honorable truth. >Certainly a counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no >wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being confused. As I state in every FOTD, the image can also be obtained by running the parameter file or downloading it from Usenet. If the time lag and occasional bad links at the web site annoy anyone, they may obtain the image from one of these alternate sources. The FOTD for October 22 is coming soon. (I hope) Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) FOTD Flap. Date: 22 Oct 2000 12:07:51 EDT Gee. All I did was get rather confused when I read a message saying an image could be found on such-and-such a Web page, and it turned out not to be there. Understandably. And then more confused when informed that the fractal takes a non-intuitive convoluted route there instead of the obvious straightforward one. Hardly justification for some recent snide and even flaming remarks. I am starting to wonder if I am the only person here who thinks with a level head, and logically... In any case, I refuse to be dragged into a flamewar, and will not post anything further on the subject of delayed FOTD images, except to note that not everyone has ready access to Usenet (especially binary newsgroups), not all of those who do have the ability to decode binaries from Usenet, and the parameter files are not always as fast as 30-odd seconds. However, I do feel the need to remark that home.att.net is continuing to be flaky in ways that cannot possibly be caused by delays or convoluted trajectories of FOTDs. When trying to view Seaweed, I had to make 4 attempts -- the first time the page rendered oddly (could be a Netscrape glitch though), the second time the image came up broken, the third time the whole page wouldn't load because the SYN sent to home.att.net received an incorrect response (RST instead of ACK), and the fourth time it acted normal. Does anyone have any idea why home.att.net's Web server is behaving flaky? It had been functioning normally for months until a few days ago... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: (fractint) Version 20.1 patch 1 Date: 21 Oct 2000 20:52:17 -0500 All, The executable for patch 1 to version 20.1 is now available as fradev.zip at: http://www.fractint.org/ftp/ Here's what's new: Fixed the display screen so the video memory doesn't get overwritten. This clears up the problem with extraneous dots with some fractal types. It should be possible to remove the textsafe=save from your sstools.ini file. Added Iain Stirling to the scrolling credits screen for his contribution of the inside=fmod and outside=fmod options. Reworded the error message received when more memory is requested than is available on your disk drive. The background= parameter, for 3D TGA files, is now saved to a PAR entry. Fixed the error message that appears when a parsing error occurs on startup. Cleaned up the savegraphics() and restoregraphics() routines. This should make them faster. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Let Me Re-Phrase the Question Re: (fractint) FOTD Flap. Date: 22 Oct 2000 15:50:21 -0500 Dear MB's:

Please accept apologies for any rudeness in my recent public post referring to your questions. Any rudeness, again, was both unintended and previously apologized for in the body of the message itself.
I was trying, through the use of a light dose of sarcasm and no "emoto-faces", to ask whether there wasn't some circularity to the discussion. I meant it sincerely, and not as an insult, nor to initiate or to contribute to (what do you guys call it?) a "flamewar".
As the hoped for response from you has not been forthcoming, and I honestly don't know, may I ask the following, which is predicated solely on my personal experience with Jim's site and FOTD's, Paul's site located in the same city I live in (might that be a factor?) and obviously is limited by my lack of insight into the technical aspects of the numerical analysis you guys are in fact discussing?:

I  always hungrily download Jim's FOTD description first from <fractint@lists.xmission.com> whenever he posts it (almost invariably by 11-12M, CST), which is, in turn, rarely more than 1-2hrs before Paul has a chance to do the work necessary to set it up to be rapidly downloadable from his site here in Dallas.
At that point, I can begin to investigate the pearls whose links Jim has placed in his text for his readers, many of which lead to other sites and tangential issues I find of great interest.
As often as not, by the time I've finished snuffling for truffles, Paul has done his thing, and with one further mouse click on Jim's page I get Paul's, which by now (almost invariably by 2amCST) has the text and image, all of which downloads in < 1min.
If I try to download from the other site mentioned (alt.binaries.pictures.fractals), I consistently have trouble. You indicate, as I understand it,  that you either do not have acces to the binary site, or prefer not to use it for some other reason. Is that correct?
Apparently your problem lies exclusively with Paul's home.att.net -based site, right? And the discussion has been centered on those problems and speculation as to possible causes, ranging all the way from your own machine to the host's server. Is that right?

If those are correct interpretations of your posts, I'm wondering how many other readers have the same or similar problem with Paul's site?

I concluded from the lack of posts to that effect that the answer may be "none", but perhaps I didn't understand the nature of the issue. (I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, just to make sure I understand what's going on).

If so, what other options remain to improve your access to the FOTD's? Nothing is more frustrating than inability to access or to timely access a juicy website.

Is that a fair or even remotely correct summary of the fact situation? My ease of access to Paul's mirror site may relate purely to my being geographically close to Paul, or exist for another completely unrelated reason. Is there something I am missing here, or missed earlier?

Feel free to respond publicly or otherwise.

DeBow Freed

Multiple Bogeys wrote:

Gee. All I did was get rather confused when I read a message saying an image
could be found on such-and-such a Web page, and it turned out not to be
there. Understandably. And then more confused when informed that the fractal
takes a non-intuitive convoluted route there instead of the obvious
straightforward one. Hardly justification for some recent snide and even
flaming remarks. I am starting to wonder if I am the only person here who
thinks with a level head, and logically...

In any case, I refuse to be dragged into a flamewar, and will not post
anything further on the subject of delayed FOTD images, except to note that
not everyone has ready access to Usenet (especially binary newsgroups), not
all of those who do have the ability to decode binaries from Usenet, and the
parameter files are not always as fast as 30-odd seconds.

However, I do feel the need to remark that home.att.net is continuing to be
flaky in ways that cannot possibly be caused by delays or convoluted
trajectories of FOTDs. When trying to view Seaweed, I had to make 4 attempts
-- the first time the page rendered oddly (could be a Netscrape glitch
though), the second time the image came up broken, the third time the whole
page wouldn't load because the SYN sent to home.att.net received an
incorrect response (RST instead of ACK), and the fourth time it acted
normal. Does anyone have any idea why home.att.net's Web server is behaving
flaky? It had been functioning normally for months until a few days ago...

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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karl Simanonok Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 21 Oct 2000 06:43:54 -0700 To make things worse, we don't even get a link to the FOTD itself, but instead to another URL where we have to go hunt for it. It would be far more considerate to everyone if one day could be skipped, just one time, and then each FOTD could represent the previous day's creation with its dissemination done well instead of done in so flaky a fashion. Regards, Karl Simanonok At 11:19 AM 10/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is posted >to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later >it is *then* posted on the Web? This seems a needlessly convoluted way of >doing things, and it means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the >Web at is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Certainly a >counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no wonder people are >hitting odd dead links and being confused. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) Date: 22 Oct 2000 17:18:40 -0400 >> To make things worse, we don't even get a link to the FOTD itself, but= instead to another URL where we have to go hunt for it. It would be far more considerate to everyone if one day could be skipped, just one time, and then each FOTD could represent the previous day's creation with its dissemination done well instead of done in so flaky a fashion. << Considerate to everone? I dob't think so!! The other solution I can see= to this whineing and bickering would be that Jim send the FOTD to Paul, and Paul would then forward it to the lists when he modifies the FO= TD pages. This would put additional work on Paul, and make the FOTD hours later for the rest of us who have no problems with it. (Anyway, the FOTD= always looks better if you generate it at higher resolutions from the par= file that the posted low resolution of 640x480 - so I prefer getting it before I go to bed in order to generate it at hi-res during the night. I= n the morning, I can behold it's wonder at 1600x1200.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 23-10-00 (Whinpeel [6]) Date: 23 Oct 2000 01:08:35 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 23, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: While the mini-debate about the promptness of the FOTD rages, the FOTD goes on. Today's image has pinwheel-like characteristics. I could have named it "Pinwheel", but being one to do things differently, I have named it "Whinpeel", which is the same word with a few letters transposed. The expression 0.03(Z^50)+1.5(Z)+(1/C) was iterated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula to create the parent fractal, which is a Mandeloid with a bulb at the tip of the negative tail. Beyond the bulb lies an area of tiny dots, each of which expands into an entire fractal world when enlarged. Today's scene lies deep within one of those dots, on an axis of N-S symmetry that is removed from the actual X-axis. The coloring of this fractal was a bit problematical, with broad gradients giving a basically featureless image, and narrow ones not much better. I finally settled on one of the random palettes sometimes created by striking the key, in which there is virtually no order at all to the colors. To add a little zip, I blacked out the first few registers, so that the midget stands out like a glowing pinwheel in the black emptiness of space, shooting off sparks of fractal brilliance. The parameter file, which is attached below, takes 3 minutes to run on a 200mhz Pentium machine after the minute or so required to set it up and start it. The file of the GIF image takes only about 30 seconds to download from the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals after one reaches the site. The GIF file will also soon be available on Paul Lee's web site at: where it will soon be posted. The fractal weather today was once again perfect, though the temperature of 68F (20C) was a bit chilly for the ears of the fractal cats, who chose to rest in the sun on the porch rather than prowl the wilderness of the yard. The philosophy is coming along nicely, and in a couple days will burst forth in all its glory, but for the moment, the FOTD has come to an end. I'll have another fractal in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and you don't need to go searching for your fractal -- fractals are everywhere. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Whinpeel { ; time=0:03:09.22 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-2.37821892513348800/+0.15212393450154800\ /4.678664e+010 params=1/50/50/1/-0.97/0 float=y maxiter=1400 inside=0 logmap=58 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>000000000<3>000zYwbdz000uPc0000006eEmzF\ 000000q26<3>AtOZFTFmTKfYP_be54zzUcrBK_4PWO3uNHfYT5J<\ 2>UNaYtU<2>V_dxvshgmV20UGMwQphSkIBWMH_QNc5qIEhRM`_6V\ _BojIgiO_hDKQJ00PQaMT0<2>STX75AFDMNLXt3p<2>_Ni8KjnVy\ wUzcUpZTkfqIj94E5Nrd6eZPjQf7qNvlPB0GLFUwLEhPT6vVIgan\ EygJs`OmTP6URPSXoH`wOFCPiw<2>TXkt_FfWUcnp<2>WYi45yDD\ sMLmVQd<2>UTgDB0JHFPNUSkj<2>UXg3gvyjVqeZiaaaXdWcKVcW\ 7c`FccNce6cIEcRMc_fc1wcp6c_EcbMceUcd<2>Ucgsczjcsacmc\ cc_meXmfimupmz<2>ZmkDmAJmMPmXTm1<2>UmY8mtEmpJnmPpj2p\ UGp`VpF<2>Up`0tVFta4tb7tK<2>PtacwfZwgSwVTwapws4whDwg\ MwgZwdXzeWzfVzgKzO7z9<2>Pz_jzewzn<2>`zhXzHWzQVzZtzJk\ zq<2>YziGzH<2>Rza8zvIzc<2>RzfMz_QzcVzTUz`EzaKzcPzeRz\ bSzdTzfGzWLz_QzcAzt<2>Pzjtzu<2>_zjOzq<2>TziZziXzhVzg\ 5zCEzNMzYDzdFzVIzK } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 24-10-00 (Whinpeel [7]) Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:21:16 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 24, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's lively fractal was created by the mathematical formula Z^(-11)-11Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), and calculated by the fractal formula that I call MandelbrotMix4. As are most of my fractals, the scene is one of a midget Mandelbrot set lying in a vastly larger parent fractal. This parent fractal is better seen than described, but basically it consists of a fractal 'fan', with a spike extending out from the fan along the positive X-axis and a ring at the end of the spike. Today's midget lies in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn lies in the eastern extremity of the ring. I named the picture "Fractal Peanuts" because of the many peanut- like shapes infesting the area. I rated the picture an above average 7 because in my opinion it is above average. And yes, I did enhance the colors a bit in a graphic program, but this is no cause for concern, because I saved the enhanced version as a GIF graphic, imported it into Fractint, saved the enhanced color palette as a .map file, and applied the enhanced colors to the original image. Then I made the parameter file from the color- enhanced image, which means that the enhanced colors will be seen regardless of whether the image is rendered from the parameter file or downloaded from Usenet or the Web. For those who choose to run the parameter file and wait 6 minutes, the file is attached to the bottom of this letter. Those who choose to download the GIF image file from Usenet will find it posted to the binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Those who wish to pick up the image from Paul's web site at: should wait until he has a chance to post it before visiting the site. The fractal weather today was perfect. This perfect October is making up for the far-from-perfect Summer that just ended. The fractal cats must agree, for they spent the afternoon in the yard, guarding the marigolds from butterflies and keeping the local raccoons at bay. And now it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe, give the cats their nightly snacks, and call it a night. I've really got to take some pictures, not only of the fractal cats but of myself as well. One of these days I'll get that camera I keep thinking about but never get around to purchasing. Until next time, take care, and keep fractaling forever. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Peanuts { ; time=0:06:44.25 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+10.41462664889111000/+0.0473402357575368\ 0/2.269743e+008/1/-2.5/-0.002 params=1/-11/-11/-1.1/0/5000 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=124 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>0000000000700600E90C40GB0JG0OM0RR<3>0do\ 0hp0ir4ktBmtJpvRrxYtxfvzozzvzzzzz<2>zzzzzt<2>zodzk_z\ hX<3>zVCzR7zO3zK0tP0kU0dX0X_0Pc0Hh09k03o00r00v01m09f\ 0H_3PU6YMBfEGo7Kx1Oz0Uz0Yz0az0Uz9KxOCoa4fo0Yh0Pc0HX0\ JR1PK1VG3a93f44m04r06x06v09v0Bv4CvBEvGHvKJvPKtXMtaOt\ fRtmUtrVtxXtzYfxGVt0Yo3ak4df7hc9i_BmVEpRGtMJxJKzGMzJ\ J<3>zPCzRBzU7<3>z_1za0zd0za0za1za1va3p_3k_4f_4a_6X_7\ RY7MY9HY9CYB7YBEX0KX06Y90_X0at0fr0ip6moEpmOtmYzk<2>z\ zfzzfzz_vzV<3>Yz9Rz4Kz0Gz09z03z00z00z00z00z70zH0xR<2\ >0xv3fkKkcckVvkMz_EzfHzcKz_OzXPzUUzPXzM_zJa<2>z9kz1m\ z0pz0tz0vzExzpxzrzztzxvzvxztzz<3>kzzizzhzz<2>czzfzpi\ zdmzUozO<3>vz9oz4iz1cz0Yz0Rz0Mz0Pz0Rz6VzGXzO_zYazhcz\ pYzkUzf<2>EzUBzO6zJ1zG<2>0z10z03z0Mz0dz0zz0zz0zzUzzz\ Uzo0zf0za1zY4zV7zPBzMEzJ0z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 24-10-00 (Fractal Peanuts [7]) Date: 23 Oct 2000 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 24, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's lively fractal was created by the mathematical formula Z^(-11)-11Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), and calculated by the fractal formula that I call MandelbrotMix4. As are most of my fractals, the scene is one of a midget Mandelbrot set lying in a vastly larger parent fractal. This parent fractal is better seen than described, but basically it consists of a fractal 'fan', with a spike extending out from the fan along the positive X-axis and a ring at the end of the spike. Today's midget lies in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn lies in the eastern extremity of the ring. I named the picture "Fractal Peanuts" because of the many peanut- like shapes infesting the area. I rated the picture an above average 7 because in my opinion it is above average. And yes, I did enhance the colors a bit in a graphic program, but this is no cause for concern, because I saved the enhanced version as a GIF graphic, imported it into Fractint, saved the enhanced color palette as a .map file, and applied the enhanced colors to the original image. Then I made the parameter file from the color- enhanced image, which means that the enhanced colors will be seen regardless of whether the image is rendered from the parameter file or downloaded from Usenet or the Web. For those who choose to run the parameter file and wait 6 minutes, the file is attached to the bottom of this letter. Those who choose to download the GIF image file from Usenet will find it posted to the binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Those who wish to pick up the image from Paul's web site at: should wait until he has a chance to post it before visiting the site. The fractal weather today was perfect. This perfect October is making up for the far-from-perfect Summer that just ended. The fractal cats must agree, for they spent the afternoon in the yard, guarding the marigolds from butterflies and keeping the local raccoons at bay. And now it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe, give the cats their nightly snacks, and call it a night. I've really got to take some pictures, not only of the fractal cats but of myself as well. One of these days I'll get that camera I keep thinking about but never get around to purchasing. Until next time, take care, and keep fractaling forever. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Peanuts { ; time=0:06:44.25 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+10.41462664889111000/+0.0473402357575368\ 0/2.269743e+008/1/-2.5/-0.002 params=1/-11/-11/-1.1/0/5000 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=124 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>0000000000700600E90C40GB0JG0OM0RR<3>0do\ 0hp0ir4ktBmtJpvRrxYtxfvzozzvzzzzz<2>zzzzzt<2>zodzk_z\ hX<3>zVCzR7zO3zK0tP0kU0dX0X_0Pc0Hh09k03o00r00v01m09f\ 0H_3PU6YMBfEGo7Kx1Oz0Uz0Yz0az0Uz9KxOCoa4fo0Yh0Pc0HX0\ JR1PK1VG3a93f44m04r06x06v09v0Bv4CvBEvGHvKJvPKtXMtaOt\ fRtmUtrVtxXtzYfxGVt0Yo3ak4df7hc9i_BmVEpRGtMJxJKzGMzJ\ J<3>zPCzRBzU7<3>z_1za0zd0za0za1za1va3p_3k_4f_4a_6X_7\ RY7MY9HY9CYB7YBEX0KX06Y90_X0at0fr0ip6moEpmOtmYzk<2>z\ zfzzfzz_vzV<3>Yz9Rz4Kz0Gz09z03z00z00z00z00z70zH0xR<2\ >0xv3fkKkcckVvkMz_EzfHzcKz_OzXPzUUzPXzM_zJa<2>z9kz1m\ z0pz0tz0vzExzpxzrzztzxvzvxztzz<3>kzzizzhzz<2>czzfzpi\ zdmzUozO<3>vz9oz4iz1cz0Yz0Rz0Mz0Pz0Rz6VzGXzO_zYazhcz\ pYzkUzf<2>EzUBzO6zJ1zG<2>0z10z03z0Mz0dz0zz0zz0zzUzzz\ Uzo0zf0za1zY4zV7zPBzMEzJ0z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karl Simanonok Subject: (fractint) Re: Your FOTD post Date: 23 Oct 2000 19:26:47 -0700 Dear D. Freed II, Well, you certainly know how to take on a smug, self-righteous tone, don't you, DFII? You actually think that people who dislike wasting their time are 'obsessive-compulsive'? Just how is 'MB' supposed "to document his apparent representation that this is a sytemic problem", the implication being that if he cannot (and it seems for practical purposes it is an impossible task), then it really isn't a problem? How do you think he might find people who long ago simply gave up on the fractal-hunting hassle and stopped trying, and unsubscribed from your list? There's no hint at all in your defensive text to me that you'll do anything about it even if he scrapes up dozens of people who agree with his assessment. So why the charade? Yes, the FOTD is a 'free gift' for which nobody is 'charged', but it is not 'at no trouble to us' if it's necessary to go hunting for it, and if it's not online when we get to where it ought to be; it's a time-wasting nuisance to go hunting for it, and even more so if it isn't even where the post said we should start our search. MB's gripe is that frequently it's not online, mine is more that we shouldn't have to go hunting for it at all. We see a little problem, we understand how the Internet works and how easily the little problem could be fixed, and we comment on it in a public forum. Why the negative reaction? The problems we observe and comment upon have nothing to do with 'tolerance' or lack thereof, that is your spin overlaid on the situation and it contributes nothing useful. Understandably, as the owner of the list you probably feel that the FOTD is the major thing that keeps it going, and you probably don't want to see your prime contributor get 'pissed off' and quit posting. That's fine, but it shouldn't go so far as to blind you to the rather obvious minor irritants inherent in how the FOTD is presently set up, nor cause you to deflect the issues as only being in the minds of the beholders. You could do a lot more good by stimulating a discussion of how to make it better than by reacting in defense of the status quo, is my point. You may perhaps enjoy the luxury of plenty of free time on your hands, but often when I check my email, my time is very limited. If I receive an email containing an interesting hyperlink I may go to the Web site it points to, and once in a while I do go to check out the FOTD. But since it is a bit of a nuisance to do so, I only do that when I have a chunk of free time (like I do right now, or I wouldn't bother), which boils down to maybe once or twice a month. If I just got a clickable link in the FOTD posts I'd view it a lot more often, and I'd like to be able to do that (I can keep reading other emails while a Web page is downloading, but chasing hyperlinks around is a single-threaded activity). I thought I WAS providing a 'tractable alternative' by suggesting that the FOTD could be delayed a single day, just once, as a cure for the problems that exist with it. Since you're apparently already willing to chase around for it and apparently you don't care that sometimes you don't even find it, it's amazing to me that you think a one-time, one-day delay would be such a big inconvenience for you and everybody else. Don't you realize that every subsequent FOTD would be for 'that day', and in a very short time you'd forget the one-time minor inconvenience in favor of the long-term benefit gained? In the long run you'd probably get more subscribers on the list too, if they got reliable FOTD links to click on that would immediately load the graphic of interest (I've considered unsubscribing because the list has only very marginal value to me presently, and I can always go visit Jim Muth's Web site if I feel the urge). There are plenty of other solutions, however. The best one would be a better ISP, I suppose. I wrote Jim Muth shortly after subscribing to your list about the poor links in his FOTD posts and he indicated that it had something to do with how his ISP operates (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately my DCN Web space is nearly filled already so I can't offer it for the FOTD (sorry I can't implement that suggestion, but keep them coming). There are many sites which do offer ample free space (I have an account at zing.com for images, for example), and the readers of your list may have numerous helpful suggestions to offer as well, if they are encouraged to. As moderator of the fractint list you are in a good position and (I would think) should be motivated to improve it instead of digging in your heels and denigrating people for wanting to see it improved. Regards, Karl Simanonok, Ph.D. At 08:19 PM 10/22/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Karl, > >For some reason, your post on the Fractint List - which is dated Saturday >- just hit my machine about 5 minutes ago. > >Realize that your comments are damaging to a totally gratuitous process >which is problem-free for virtually all users except, apparently, Monsieur >Multiple Bogeys and yourself. I invited MB to document his apparent >representation that this is a sytemic problem this afternoon. No reply. > >It apparently is an issue of tolerance. This is obviously somethng that is >done in their spare time, at the end of their bill-able day, in the middle >of the night, at no charge or trouble to us. A free gift. > >The 1-3 hr delay between Muth's posting of text and the posting of the >image by Lee on his att.net site (which I assume is also your source of >preference) is a small matter IMHOP. It only causes problems for people >who elect to so define it. > >I would rather get the text from Muth when he produces it in realtime, >have the opportunity to "root for truffles", before downloading the image >in real time, as soon as Lee can get to it - rarely more than 1-2 hrs later. > >Apparently you would have us ALL wait an extra day so that you and >Monsieur MB can satisfy a bizarre, and as-yet-unexplained, >obsessive-compulsive insistence upon "simultaneity" satisfied. It's not >"confusing" to anyone who elects to visit the site more than once. (Read >the text which clearly makes no guarantee of immediacy or coincident >appearance on both Muth's site and Lee's) > >I choose to view Paul Lee's contribution (which spares me a problematic >trip to "alt.binary"-land) as an opportunity to get Muth's text and >associated pearls a few hours earlier - or in your world, an entire DAY >EARLY - rather than to accuse what strike me as extraordinarily generous >hosts of not being "considerate" (of your own, individual needs). > >Quite frankly, I - and apparently other users as well - don't WANT to be >compelled to wait one whole day longer to get Muth's text merely so that >your own and MB's O/C demand for simultaneity can be satisfied. It would >be great, but it ain't happenin'. > >Rather than piss off the providers, how about providing tractable >alternatives (i.e., offer to use UC Davis' facilities to make Muth's FOTD >available to the entire Web within seconds of its being posted??). > >D. Freed II PhD Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) On topic please Date: 23 Oct 2000 22:15:11 -0600 Looks to me like the various parties have already decided to drop the off-topic discussion, so this is probably a redundant reminder. If you are not the list moderator (and if you are not me you are not the moderator), posts policing other users posts are off topic. The reason for this is simple. If Joe Blow posts a silly message and acts like a jerk, your post correcting him just adds to the off-topic noise, even if you are right. There is just no way to complain about another post without being off topic. Can't be done. Even posts responding to THIS post on the list are off topic, even if you say "Right on, Tim, wow are you ever a moderating genius!!" :-) If you really feel a thread is out of hand, alert me by private email. I moderate the list with a very light hand. As lists go, this is a pretty civil one. Very occasionally I quiet people down by private email, and even more occasionally I've been known to boot people off the list (almost never happens). If you do email me privately requesting that something be done about some list management issue, I'll always look into it. I am certainly glad Jim posts his fractal of the day. A lot of people get a lot of pleasure out of it. Now that everyone understands the mechanics of what happens first, second etc. etc. in the FOTD posting process, that matter has been laid to rest. Happy fractalling ... Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Your FOTD post Date: 23 Oct 2000 22:39:10 -0500 Karl Simanonok wrote: > > Understandably, as the owner of the list .... I assume you are being sarcastic with this remark, since he is not the owner nor administrator (or are you completely unaware?). > > I wrote Jim Muth shortly after subscribing to your > list about the poor links in his FOTD posts and he > indicated that it had something to do with how his > ISP operates (if I remember correctly). I seriously doubt that you remember anything what so ever, since Jim hasn't established his own website yet. And I feel that Jim would not even indicate such things to you. > > There are many sites which do offer ample free space.... You'll need at least 200-MB to start off with, for that is approximately what is being used at the moment. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LeeFbx@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Enough Already Date: 23 Oct 2000 23:56:49 EDT What a tempest in a teapot. I just had to change my subscription to digest mode. Jim Muth and Paul Lee do us all a great service and I'm sure I speak for most members in saying how much I appreciate their efforts. It takes a while after Jim posts the FOTD before Paul can update his site, which Jim is now trying to make as clear as possible in his notes. This is a simple concept. Deal with it. If not, then just bookmark Paul's site and go there whenever you wish and enjoy whatever is there. Everybody has had their say. Now can we please let this topic just die a merciful death. Thank you, Lee Fairbanks Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) (Fwd) Re: Wired News Daily [Broadband Could be Hackland - 10/ Date: 23 Oct 2000 20:08:43 -1000 On 23 Oct 00 at 17:49, TipWorld wrote: > Blurring the Lines of Digital Art (Culture 2:00 a.m. PDT) > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,39558,00.html?tw=wn20001023 > The Whitney Museum of American Art's BitStreams will > focus on the ways in which artists are creating a new > and extraordinary range of artistic expression out of > the myriad capabilities of digital technology. Reena > Jana reports from New York. Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond When I grow up, I want to be a crackpot! (D.Jones) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 25-10-00 (Fractal Peanuts [7]) Date: 24 Oct 2000 23:01:39 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 25, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal, which pictures a tiny midget surrounded by a neon-like series of arcs, with electric blue spots of color scattered about, rates a slightly exaggerated 7. I named the picture "The Wheel Invented" because of the roughly circular pinkish ring around the midget. The expression that created the image, 1.11Z^(-11.1)+11.1Z^(-1.11)+(1/C), which is almost impossible to type accurately, is a result of my indefatigable whimsy. The magnitude of today's scene is actually slightly beyond the limit of resolution, and had to be forced by setting the mathtolerance command to /1. I have included this command in the parameter file so that it will render the scene correctly. The slight degradation is visible at the edges of the bands, which are slightly jagged. At a resolution of 640x480 this degradation is barely noticeable, but at higher resolutions it becomes more noticeable. Therefore rendering today's image at a resolution greater than 640x480 is pretty much a wasted effort. Having such a high magnitude, the image renders slowly from the parameter file, requiring a 23 minute wait that would try the patience of a yogi. But the file of the GIF image downloads in less than one minute from: if your ISP carries the binary groups and if your news-reader can decode binary attachments. The GIF file will also soon be available on the Web at: as soon as Paul can get it posted. The fractal weather today was less than perfect, with the variable cloudiness, occasional spits of rain, and temperature of only 65F (18C) keeping the fractal cats in a foul mood. Their surliness finally erupted late this afternoon in a noisy squabble that left Thomas with a nicked ear. The dynamic duo spent the rest of the afternoon sitting back-to-back, actively ignoring each other. As for me, I'm certainly not going to ignore shut-down time here at Fractal Central any longer. The day is done, I'm exhausted, the cats are still moody, and the TV is playing downstairs. It's time to call it a day and slump into my TV chair to watch something -- the junkier the better. Until tomorrow, take care, and start looking for pictures of Fractal Central, the fractal cats, and maybe even myself. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Wheel_Invented { ; time=0:23:03.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+2.96459253481997100/-0.84712989364400860\ /3.663697e+012/0.9999/-69.987/0.002 mathtolerance=/1 params=1.11/-11.1/11.1/-1.11/0/1000 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=446 periodicity=10 colors=0000C00G10J60NA0PF0TJ0WN1_R1aU<4>0PO0NN0KL0HL\ <3>06G03F00D00D30GD0JK0KR0NX1Pb1Ri3To3Uu4Xz4_z6`z6bz\ 6dz9fzCgzFjzGkyJnvLotOqsPspSuoUvlXyjYzi`zfbzedzg_q<2\ >oND<2>v`DydDziDzlDzqDzuDzuDzuDzuHuuKouNiuRbuTXuWRu_\ KuaDwd6te7peDlfHifLegRagUYi<3>jJjkHkkGlkFllDnlCnlAol\ 9pn9pn7qn6qn4so3to1to0uo0uk4vi9v<3>_OvXSvUUwSYwPawNe\ wKgwHkwFowCqwbjsdajfUaNKP09C4FK9JRCNXGRbJUiNWk<2>XYs\ _Yua_ud_ufYuiXukXuoYus_uv`uz`o<3>zaRzYKzWDzS6zP1zL1z\ J1zG1zC3z93z43z14z04<2>z13zA1zJ0zS0z_0zf0zg0zi1zi3yj\ 4vk6uk7sl9qnAonCnoDloFipHfqKbsN`tPYuRUvTSwWOyYLz_Jza\ FzdCzf9zgGuk<2>XUvbXui_s<2>zfkzgizffzddzaazY_zWXzSUz\ RUzOWzLW<2>zD_zA`z9`<3>zPOwTLuXHs`FpdCng7kk4in1bo0Yp\ 0<2>Hw0Kz0<3>Uz0Xz0Yz0`z1bz3ez4gz4jz6lz7nz7pzGszOuzW\ vza<2>eze_zfUzfUz_TzRTzJ0z1 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 25-10-00 (The Wheel Invented [7]) Date: 24 Oct 2000 23:03:27 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 25, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal, which pictures a tiny midget surrounded by a neon-like series of arcs, with electric blue spots of color scattered about, rates a slightly exaggerated 7. I named the picture "The Wheel Invented" because of the roughly circular pinkish ring around the midget. The expression that created the image, 1.11Z^(-11.1)+11.1Z^(-1.11)+(1/C), which is almost impossible to type accurately, is a result of my indefatigable whimsy. The magnitude of today's scene is actually slightly beyond the limit of resolution, and had to be forced by setting the mathtolerance command to /1. I have included this command in the parameter file so that it will render the scene correctly. The slight degradation is visible at the edges of the bands, which are slightly jagged. At a resolution of 640x480 this degradation is barely noticeable, but at higher resolutions it becomes more noticeable. Therefore rendering today's image at a resolution greater than 640x480 is pretty much a wasted effort. Having such a high magnitude, the image renders slowly from the parameter file, requiring a 23 minute wait that would try the patience of a yogi. But the file of the GIF image downloads in less than one minute from: if your ISP carries the binary groups and if your news-reader can decode binary attachments. The GIF file will also soon be available on the Web at: as soon as Paul can get it posted. The fractal weather today was less than perfect, with the variable cloudiness, occasional spits of rain, and temperature of only 65F (18C) keeping the fractal cats in a foul mood. Their surliness finally erupted late this afternoon in a noisy squabble that left Thomas with a nicked ear. The dynamic duo spent the rest of the afternoon sitting back-to-back, actively ignoring each other. As for me, I'm certainly not going to ignore shut-down time here at Fractal Central any longer. The day is done, I'm exhausted, the cats are still moody, and the TV is playing downstairs. It's time to call it a day and slump into my TV chair to watch something -- the junkier the better. Until tomorrow, take care, and start looking for pictures of Fractal Central, the fractal cats, and maybe even myself. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Wheel_Invented { ; time=0:23:03.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+2.96459253481997100/-0.84712989364400860\ /3.663697e+012/0.9999/-69.987/0.002 mathtolerance=/1 params=1.11/-11.1/11.1/-1.11/0/1000 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=446 periodicity=10 colors=0000C00G10J60NA0PF0TJ0WN1_R1aU<4>0PO0NN0KL0HL\ <3>06G03F00D00D30GD0JK0KR0NX1Pb1Ri3To3Uu4Xz4_z6`z6bz\ 6dz9fzCgzFjzGkyJnvLotOqsPspSuoUvlXyjYzi`zfbzedzg_q<2\ >oND<2>v`DydDziDzlDzqDzuDzuDzuDzuHuuKouNiuRbuTXuWRu_\ KuaDwd6te7peDlfHifLegRagUYi<3>jJjkHkkGlkFllDnlCnlAol\ 9pn9pn7qn6qn4so3to1to0uo0uk4vi9v<3>_OvXSvUUwSYwPawNe\ wKgwHkwFowCqwbjsdajfUaNKP09C4FK9JRCNXGRbJUiNWk<2>XYs\ _Yua_ud_ufYuiXukXuoYus_uv`uz`o<3>zaRzYKzWDzS6zP1zL1z\ J1zG1zC3z93z43z14z04<2>z13zA1zJ0zS0z_0zf0zg0zi1zi3yj\ 4vk6uk7sl9qnAonCnoDloFipHfqKbsN`tPYuRUvTSwWOyYLz_Jza\ FzdCzf9zgGuk<2>XUvbXui_s<2>zfkzgizffzddzaazY_zWXzSUz\ RUzOWzLW<2>zD_zA`z9`<3>zPOwTLuXHs`FpdCng7kk4in1bo0Yp\ 0<2>Hw0Kz0<3>Uz0Xz0Yz0`z1bz3ez4gz4jz6lz7nz7pzGszOuzW\ vza<2>eze_zfUzfUz_TzRTzJ0z1 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) Somewhat off-topic Date: 25 Oct 2000 09:25:04 GMT Helpful_message01: If you are not a maths buff, delete this now. Does anyone out there know how to rotate something through an arbitary plane in 3D space? If you do, send a private message to me at orphi69@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance. Sorry for wasting fractal bandwidth. Andrew. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wilson" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 25-10-00 (Fractal Peanuts [7]) Date: 25 Oct 2000 08:26:41 -0700 You really were exhausted, weren't you? :-) This morning, btween the Fractint and Philofractal mail, I have three similar files, two Fractal Peanuts and a Wheel Invented, but thank you anyway! John W. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 25-10-00 (Fractal Peanuts [7]) Date: 25 Oct 2000 12:39:39 EDT John Wilson wrote: You really were exhausted, weren't you? :-) This morning, btween the Fractint and Philofractal mail, I have three similar files, two Fractal Peanuts and a Wheel Invented, but thank you anyway! You should have had four identical files. Yeah, I clicked the send button before changing the name. I think that's two days in a row I've done that. It must be the recent fulrry of activity on the Fractint and Fractal-Art lists. It won't happen again unless it happens again. :-) And if it does happen again, delete the spurious posts without delay. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bennett Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 2K CDROM Orders Date: 25 Oct 2000 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Hi I would be most interested to learn who will be handling orders for the 2k competition site C D from U.K. residents. Thanks Tom Bennett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 26-10-00 (Pink Fractal Clouds [6]) Date: 26 Oct 2000 02:40:35 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 26, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I have always been fascinated with the unknown, and to me nothing is more unknown than the fourth dimension. When I first learned of the fourth spatial dimension, I tried to picture four-dimensional objects as extremely convoluted shapes, with surfaces that were measured by their areas. Of course, the objects I pictured were not 4-D objects at all, but rather very complex 3-D objects. Actual four-dimensional objects have surfaces that are measured by their volumes. This surface volume is for me the most difficult thing to imagine. Logically, I know that a 4-D man seeing a 4-D hypersphere would observe an image of a 3-D sphere with every point of its opaque interior immediately visible. The four-dimensional effect would be achieved by the shading of the interior of the 3-D image of a sphere. If I could picture just this one 3-D surface, the rest of the 4-D oddities would seem simple. Two planes intersecting in a point would be no problem. Axis-planes would be no problem. Double rotation would be no problem. Visualizing the curvature and infinite extent of the pseudosphere would be no problem. But alas, I shall never picture a surface with volume, and all these four-dimensional wonders must remain forever a mystery. Today's fractal is no mystery however. It is another in my ongoing series of fractals with neon-tube-like elements. Its formula, Z^(-11)+11Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), is yet another example of my whimsy in action. I have named the picture "Pink Fractal Clouds", though the clouds are as much blue as pink. I would have given the image another rating of 7, but a second look convinced me that the colors are a bit garish, which dropped the rating to a 6. The running time of the parameter file is 3-1/2 minutes -- not too bad as fractals go. But if even this causes impatience, the completed GIF file of the image may be downloaded from Usenet at: or from the Web at: If Paul's web site is not yet updated, try again in an hour or so. It soon will be up to date. The fractal weather today here at Fractal Central was just about perfect, with partly cloudy skies and a temperature of 74F (23C). The cats, who have forgotten yesterday's squabble, enjoyed their run in the sunshine. I would say more, but the fractal time is past 2am -- most certainly time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. But I'll return tomorrow about 3 hours earlier with more fractal news. Until then, take care, and see you soon. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Pink_Fractal_Cloud { ; time=0:03:27.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+2.386247007680221/-2.486598562858512/2.7\ 81989e+007/1/25 params=1/-11/11/-1.1/0/400 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=28 periodicity=10 colors=000E1B<3>E07E07G19<8>R6LS6MU7NV8PW8Q<12>lFnmG\ pnGr<3>sIz<7>pFbpF_oEXoEUoER<3>mCImCGmCElBClBAlB8<14\ >kQWkRYkSZ<2>kVckVdkY`<3>kfNkiKkkGknDkp9kr6<3>fnDemE\ dmG<19>LriKrkJrl<3>Fsr<3>DtTCuNCuHCuBCu9Cv8<6>JwOKwQ\ LwSLwVMwXNyZ<3>RygSyiTykTyp<6>TyZTyWTzT<2>TzMTzJRzI<\ 3>YzFZzE`zDbzDczCezBiz8<12>Iz_GzaEzc<2>8zi6zk2zl<4>8\ zq9zqBzr<3>FzvFzxGzv<16>XzXYzWZzU<2>`zQazPazP<12>ezM\ ezMezM<3>fzLEzF<2>EzC } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Barry N. Merenoff" <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Message to Andrew Coppin Date: 26 Oct 2000 12:58:54 -0400 A vector v, rotated by an angle theta around a plane P (unit normal pseudovector), becomes (v dot P)P+(v cross P)Sin[theta]-((v cross P)cross P)Cos[theta] Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 27-10-00 (The Right protocol [4]) Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:45:54 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 27, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal rates a somewhat below average 4. I just couldn't turn on the fractal intuition that leads me to many of the midgets that ultimately appear as the FOTD. Possibly the reason is that I'm disgusted with the bickering over on the Fractal-art list -- the list to which I originally posted the FOTD's. Oh BTW, we have a Fractal of the Day today. I stumbled upon it while playing around with the zexpe fractal. It's a picture of a midget surrounded by concentric rings of holes -- exactly what would be expected of a midget. I named the picture "The Right Protocol", heaven knows why. I rated it a 4, and even the 4 may be too high. The parameter file takes 2-1/2 minutes to render; the GIF image downloads in half that time. The GIF image has been posted to Usenet at: and in an hour or two will be posted to the Web at: The fractal weather today was foggy in the morning and cloudy in the afternoon. The fractal cats disapprove of damp weather, so they remained indoors for the entire day. A surprise treat of tuna kept them from becoming irritable. My next spate of philosophy is nearing completion, though due to my depressed mood I got little accomplished on it today. Still, I expect it to be ready for public consumption in a few days. For now it's getting late and I'm feeling the urge for a junky old movie. So I guess I'll shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a day and a night. Until tomorrow, same time same place, take care, and be wise. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Right_Protocol { ; time=0:02:38.78 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-192.3767683045068/+0.01157844828588677/5\ .517641e+007/1/169.999 params=1/2.7175/-1/2.7185/757\ 5/0 float=y maxiter=4000 inside=0 logmap=51 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000E2J<3>H5MI6NJ7OVDHfJAhT7ib5mxU<3>UwUPwUKwU\ FwUJbP<3>DN_KJaUMTcPKmWCzZIzVQwYPZ`OScNVmYSjUPgQeJX`\ PUWVSRcPFmAHzEJmHLcK3c4H8m<2>LYTAR_GZTgyiXoYQ8YOKUNV\ QWqFHVIJZKLbMxoPEwbInV8cq<2>JcUwctdccbcwUcdQc3OcDGcn\ IcdKcWOclNc_6cbnmsSm0<2>NmIRmjPmbNmV1mX8mTFmQ_mqTmaF\ mMtmZhmVXwRbwzXwlRw_WwmRw_NwBMwHwwA2wuUwvQwdHw`JwWLw\ RUwCQzIlzCczGVzKnzK<2>TzNLzo<2>MzUXzH1z38zAFzHZzFUzI\ QzLQzf<2>NzS`zM4zS<2>IzOzzU4zsAzhGzY1zC8zGFzKezQZzPl\ zlxzk<2>hzF<2>6zo<3>az16zk9zlCzlUzQkz4IzJZzESzo<2>Nz\ Ukz1bz9UzGCzVHzRBz2<2>KzIIzjKzbLzVKzH<2>MzMwzjRzPPzO\ NzN4zb<2>IzRnzIdzKVzMtzLhzMXzNrz7azFdzmYzdSzWLzI<2>M\ zMEzpIzaczk<2>QzTFzb<2>LzROzINzKMzM1zx<2>HzWxzulzocz\ eVzWHzXJzTLzQrzzgzlXz__zYGzoJz`VzlQz_2z64zL<2>IzN7z7\ 3zkyzikzaZzUGz8czMZzR } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Pickover seeks fractals articles Date: 27 Oct 2000 16:54:20 -0500 This was in sci.fractals in case any one here is interested. Bob Newsgroups: sci.fractals You are cordially invited to submit interesting, well-written articles for the "Chaos and Graphics Section" of the international scientific journal Computers and Graphics (Elsevier). I edit this section, which appears in each issue of the journal. Topics include the mathematical, scientific, and artistic application of fractals, chaos, and related. Your papers can be quite short if desired, for example, often a page or two is sufficient to convey an idea and a pretty graphic. (The journal is peer-reviewed, which means that several reviewers will judge whether the paper is suitably written, attractive, relevant, or novel.) I publish color, where appropriate. GOALS The goal of my section is to provide visual demonstrations of complicated and beautiful structures which can arise in systems based on simple rules. The section presents papers on the seemingly paradoxical combinations of randomness and structure in systems of mathematical, physical, biological, electrical, chemical, and artistic interest. Topics include: iteration, cellular automata, bifurcation maps, fractals, dynamical systems, patterns of nature created from simple rules, and aesthetic graphics drawn from the universe of mathematics and art. Write to me for submission guidelines. Regards, Cliff Pickover, http://www.pickover.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 28-10-00 (North East South West [5]) Date: 27 Oct 2000 22:48:11 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- October 28, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Sometimes I venture into the cubic Mandeloid for a midget or two. On a few occasions I have delved into the quartic Mandeloid to see what if anything of interest lies there. But in today's fractal I have gone all the way to the quintic figure. Finding nothing of interest in a quick trip through the M-Mix4 formula, I unpacked one of my Julibrot rotation formulas and searched for a midget to rotate in the minus-quintic figure. When I found a midget, (quite an easy task in this fractal), it turned out to be so striking that no rotation was necessary. When I noticed that the midget seemed to be pointing to the four directions of the compass, I named the picture "North East South West", gave it a jazzy coloring, and declared it FOTD of October 28. In the quintic Mandeloid, the features split into powers of 5 as they approach the 4-lobed midgets. The outer pattern around the midget is obviously 5-sided. A count will reveal that the prominent green ring contains 25 elements. And a barely discernible ring of 125 elements lies closer to the midget. The parameter file dawdles along and finishes running in a little over 5 minutes. The GIF image file downloads in far less time. The GIF file may be found posted to the Usenet group: and in a few hours will be posted on Paul Lee's web site at: Although I did not rotate the midget today, it does some unusual things when rotated. I may devote a future FOTD to one of the odd slices through this midget. The fractal weather today was extremely perfect, with sunny skies and a temperature of 77F (25C) that drove the fractal cats to a state of ecstasy. They meditated in the sun the better part of the afternoon, while I was searching for fractals. And now the day is winding down, the fractal shoppe is dark, the cats are resting, and all else is quiet. It's the perfect time to call it a night and shut down. But I'll return tomorrow with more goodies. Until then, take care, and don't let a lost fractal spoil your day. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ NorthEastSouthWest { ; time=0:05:08.96 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=multirot.frm formulaname=multirot-XY-ZW-min function=ident/flip passes=1 center-mag=-1.07712932560607900/-0.00275300\ 534013650/1.481368e+010/1/-87.5 params=0/0/5/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=128 periodicity=9 colors=000K0MK0O<3>S0VU1XW2YY3__3_a1Y<3>i0Xj0Xl0Xn0Xp\ AUqERrJOsMKtPFuO0tM0sM0rL0kL0dJ0ZI0TI0MG0GG0AF04D00D0\ 0C00E00J30M60QA0UD0XI0_L0cP0gS0jX0o_0sc0vf4pcFj`PdY_`\ ViVSsPPzLO<3>zFTzDVzCV<2>z7bz6dz4ez3gz1jz0lz0oz0p<3>z\ 0fz0cz0by0`y0`000700J00X00g00s00m00<3>X00S01O04J06F07\ A0A60C10D00G00I00J<2>00Q00S00T00X<2>00a00c00f00g00i00\ l00m00o00r00s00u00pF0lS0gf0cs0`i0f_ClPPrFax4oz9my<2>M\ ipQgmVfl<3>l``p_YuYXv_Tv_Qx_O<3>yaCzaAza7zc4zc1<2>zd0\ zd0xc0sc0ma3ia7d`A_`FV_IP_MLYPGYTAXX6X`0Vc0Vg0Vj0Qd0O\ _1LT4IP7FJAADD79G43J10M00S10X40`70fA0jC0oF0uI0yL0zM0z\ G0zC0zD0p93gCAYFJOIQFLY4Of0Qm0Tu0Xx4_zDazOdzXgzdgzmgz\ ogzogzpgzpgzrgzrgzsgzsgzugzugzvgzvgzxgz<3>zgzpgz_gzIg\ zJgzLgzLgzrgzrgzsgzsgzugzugzvgzvgzxgz<3>ygzzgzzgzzgzl\ gzlgzmgzmgzogzogz } frm:multirot-XY-ZW-min {; draws 6 planes and rotations ;when fn1-2=i,f, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=O, 90,0=E, 90,90=J ;when fn1-2=f,i, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=R, 90,0=P, 90,90=J a=real(p1)*.01745329251994, b=imag(p1)*.01745329251994, z=sin(b)*fn1(real(pixel))+sin(a)*fn2(imag(pixel))+p3, c=cos(b)*real(pixel)+cos(a)*flip(imag(pixel))+p4: z=(-z)^(p2)+c, |z| <= 36 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 29-10-00 (The Green Goblet [5]) Date: 29 Oct 2000 02:12:46 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- October 29, 2000 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The usual discussion will not appear today with today's fractal. I had it written, but the file vanished. Or maybe I never saved it. Regardless, the fractal itself has survived. I named it "The Green Goblet" after the vague goblet-like shape that extends beyond the borders of the image. The formula that created the image mixes a part of Z^0.75 with Z^1.25. The resulting fractal has no midgets, but its overall shape, which appears as today's FOTD is unusual. I rated the picture an average 5. The runtime for the parameter file is a somewhat above average 16-1/2 minutes, so the better way of seeing the image is to download the GIF file from Usenet at: or from Paul Lee's web site at: after Paul has a chance to post it. The fractal weather today was mostly sunny, but breezy and chilly, with an afternoon temperature in the mid-50'sF (13C). It was just a bit too chilly for the cats, who ventured no farther than the porch. And that's it for this very late evening. Until tomorrow, take care, and don't give up the fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Green_Goblet { ; time=0:16:29.36 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-2.09556/0.0139982/0.2675064/1/-90 params=1/0.75/1/1.25/-1.58/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=zmag logmap=55 periodicity=10 colors=00000F<4>00F000<2>2003A1422<12>EQ2FS2GU2<3>Ja\ 3Mb3Qd3<5>ao3cq3es3<2>ky3mz3mx4mw5<5>ao8_n8Yl9<2>ShA\ RgBRfB<6>RXFQWFQVG<3>PPIKOIKLJFLJFFKFCFFDHADIAEK5FL5\ GNAIOAIQKDUKFTFISAKR<15>hlBjnAlo9<3>tw5uz0<10>vjYvi`\ vgc<2>vclvboxdswfu<5>uTluRjtOhtMftKe<3>rAZr8Xs2Y<25>\ hfChhBgiA<2>fn7fo6gp4<9>daTd`WcZY<2>cVebTgcSjdUleWkf\ Ykg_nharhbwhcv<8>kdokdnkcm<3>mcjmcimchncgncghKs<3>hG\ umFy<17>MKeKKdJKc<3>DL_B0KA0K } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 2K CDROM Orders Date: 29 Oct 2000 10:58:27 EST Ken, My check is in the mail! Bill Rossi http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fernando Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 29-10-00 (The Green Goblet [5]) Date: 29 Oct 2000 22:39:27 -0200 What is necessary for an image to have midgets? should the power o Z be greater than 2?? Fernando Bresslau http://www.fractal.art.br ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 5:12 AM > > FOTD -- October 29, 2000 (Rating 5) > > Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > > The usual discussion will not appear today with today's fractal. > I had it written, but the file vanished. Or maybe I never saved > it. Regardless, the fractal itself has survived. I named it > "The Green Goblet" after the vague goblet-like shape that > extends beyond the borders of the image. > > The formula that created the image mixes a part of Z^0.75 with > Z^1.25. The resulting fractal has no midgets, but its overall > shape, which appears as today's FOTD is unusual. > > I rated the picture an average 5. The runtime for the parameter > file is a somewhat above average 16-1/2 minutes, so the better > way of seeing the image is to download the GIF file from Usenet > at: > > > > or from Paul Lee's web site at: > > > > after Paul has a chance to post it. > > The fractal weather today was mostly sunny, but breezy and > chilly, with an afternoon temperature in the mid-50'sF (13C). > It was just a bit too chilly for the cats, who ventured no > farther than the porch. > > And that's it for this very late evening. Until tomorrow, take > care, and don't give up the fractal. > > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > The_Green_Goblet { ; time=0:16:29.36 -- SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm > formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 > center-mag=-2.09556/0.0139982/0.2675064/1/-90 > params=1/0.75/1/1.25/-1.58/0 float=y > maxiter=1000 inside=zmag logmap=55 periodicity=10 > colors=00000F<4>00F000<2>2003A1422<12>EQ2FS2GU2<3>Ja\ > 3Mb3Qd3<5>ao3cq3es3<2>ky3mz3mx4mw5<5>ao8_n8Yl9<2>ShA\ > RgBRfB<6>RXFQWFQVG<3>PPIKOIKLJFLJFFKFCFFDHADIAEK5FL5\ > GNAIOAIQKDUKFTFISAKR<15>hlBjnAlo9<3>tw5uz0<10>vjYvi`\ > vgc<2>vclvboxdswfu<5>uTluRjtOhtMftKe<3>rAZr8Xs2Y<25>\ > hfChhBgiA<2>fn7fo6gp4<9>daTd`WcZY<2>cVebTgcSjdUleWkf\ > Ykg_nharhbwhcv<8>kdokdnkcm<3>mcjmcimchncgncghKs<3>hG\ > umFy<17>MKeKKdJKc<3>DL_B0KA0K > } > > frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth > a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), > g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, > k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): > z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, > |z| < l > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 30-10-00 (Quintic Rectangle [4]) Date: 30 Oct 2000 01:07:05 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- October 30, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I'm depressed today. Maybe it's because yesterday I lost the article that I spent several hours writing; maybe it's because of the discouraging events on the fractal-art list. Whatever the reason, I seem to have no energy to write -- but I'll still get in a few words. Today's unimpressive picture is another view of the quintic midget that appeared in the n-e-s-w picture of October 28. This time we see the midget from the Rectangular direction, which shows the midget as a roughly rectangular hole with a pair of tiny bridges across it. The pattern around the midget and the color palette are almost exactly the same as the image of 2 days ago. I named the picture "Quintic Rectangle" as a description. I rated it a lowly 4 because I don't think that much of it. The parameter file renders in under 5 minutes, which is slow enough to make the download the better choice. The GIF image has been posted to Usenet at: and will soon be posted to the web at: The fractal weather today was sunny but the 57F (14C) was too chilly for the cats' outdoor adventure. They spent the day chasing spots of sunlight around the house instead. And I'm going to spend the rest of the evening dozing in front of the TV, with a junky horror movie playing. But barring the unexpected, I'll be here again tomorrow, with another fractal. Until then, take care, and when the blues come calling, chase them with a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Quintic_Rectangle { ; time=0:04:44:04 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=multirot.frm formulaname=multirot-XY-ZW-min function=flip/ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.00000000001373210/+0.00000000\ 000624286/6.317576e+009/0.5307/0/-72.66 params=0/90/5/0/-1.077129325606079/-0.00275300534013\ 65/-1.077129325606079/-0.0027530053401365 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=128 periodicity=10 colors=000cA_cA_cA_<3>cD_cD_aBY<3>iAXjAXlAXnAXpKUrOR\ tTOvWKxZFzY0xW0vW0tV0lV0dT0ZS0TS0MQ0GQ0AP04N00N00M00\ O00R30U60YA0aD0eI0hL0lP0qS0tX0y_0zc0zf4zcFt`PnY_jVid\ SsZPzVO<3>zPTzNVzMV<2>zHbzGdzEezDgzBjzAlzAozAp<3>zAf\ zAczAbyA`yA`0A07A0JA0XA0gA0sA0mA0<3>XA0SA1OA4JA6FA7A\ AA6AC1AD0AG0AI0AJ<2>0AQ0AS0AT0AX<2>0Aa0Ac0Af0Ag0Ai0A\ l0Am0Ao0Ar0As0Au0ApFAlSAgfAcsA`iAf_MlPZrFkx4yz9wy<2>\ MspQqmVpl<3>lj`piYugXviTviQxiO<3>ykCzkAzk7zm4zm1<2>z\ n0zn0xm0sm0mk3ik7djA_jFViIPiMLgPGgTAfX6f`0dc0dg0dj0_\ d0Y_1VT4SP7PJAKDDH9GE3JB0MA0SB0XE0`H0fK0jM0oP0uS0yV0\ zW0zQ0zM0zN0pJ3gMAYPJOSQFVY4Yf0_m0bu0fx4izDkzOnzXqzd\ qzmqzoqzoqzpqzpqzrqzrqzsqzsqzuqzuqzvqzvqzxqz<3>zqzpq\ z_qzIqzJqzLqzLqzrqzrqzsqzsqzuqzuqzvqzvqzxqz<3>yqzzqz\ zqzzqzlqzlqzmqzmqzoqz<2>oqz } frm:multirot-XY-ZW-min {; draws 6 planes and rotations ;when fn1-2=i,f, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=O, 90,0=E, 90,90=J ;when fn1-2=f,i, then p1 0,0=M, 0,90=R, 90,0=P, 90,90=J a=real(p1)*.01745329251994, b=imag(p1)*.01745329251994, z=sin(b)*fn1(real(pixel))+sin(a)*fn2(imag(pixel))+p3, c=cos(b)*real(pixel)+cos(a)*flip(imag(pixel))+p4: z=(-z)^(p2)+c, |z| <= 36 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thore Berntsen" Subject: (fractint) Beta version of new animation utility for Fractint available Date: 30 Oct 2000 18:46:38 +0100 I'm working on a new animation utility for Fractint, and I need beta testers. If You are interested please send me a mail thbernt@online.no This animator can animate a lot of the parameters that You find in Par files (including 3D!). It can do much more than just Zooming. This program also has a module that can be used for converting the GIF files that Fractint produces into AVI files. The program is a MS Windows program, and it uses the DOS version of Fractint. Thore Berntsen Norway thbernt@online.no Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 31-10-00 (Old Gold Minibrot [4]) Date: 31 Oct 2000 02:13:57 -0500 (EST) FOTD -- October 28, 2000 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: We'll have another short discussion today, since I lack both the time and inspiration for a lot of fancy words. The formula behind the image is Z^(-14)+2.5Z^(-1.4)+(1/C). This expression was calculated by the faithful MandelbrotMix4 formula, which never lets me down when I need a fractal in a hurry and have little patience for a rigorous search. I named the picture "Old Gold Minibrot" after the gold filaments intricately weaved around the central midget, and rated it an adequate 4. The parameter file renders in 2-1/2 minutes, not too slow, but still slow enough to make a download of the GIF image file from: or from: a reasonable alternate choice. The fractal weather was near perfect today, with bright sunlight and a temperature of 60F (15.5C), which so pleased the fractal cats that they spent the afternoon sleeping on the porch. That's it for tonight, until tomorrow, take care, and see you then. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Old_Gold_Minibrot { ; time=0:02:38.03 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.99346404717843900/+2.37985402910731000\ /1843237/1/160 params=1/-14/2.5/-1.45/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=43 periodicity=10 colors=000jAY<3>gAVfAUe9Tb8S_7R<2>R4KO3IL3HN9GF7BQJF\ SIFcUO<2>riNwnMzsMwpK<3>chCZfAUd8<2>Fm2Jc5PV7UM9<3>o\ 5I<9>`9P_APYAQ<3>TBS<3>DRN9VM5ZL1aK<4>IgaMiePjh<3>an\ v<4>`qp`ro`rn<3>_ui_vh_wg_xf_ye<3>WzNVzIUzETz9Tz5<3>\ IzHGzKDzNBzPLzFVz6hz6<3>jzt<2>0zX`zRkzPuzNYzYBzh<2>L\ zM<3>5zn2zu9zh<2>Tz9<2>yzO<3>Bzg<3>jzwszzkznczcXzT\ <3>mzUqzUizZ<3>Ezr<3>IzxJzyMzy<3>WzyYzyRznLzd4z2<3>5\ zPPzRhzTczY_zaWwf<2>JhsTcnacijcduiNrcK<3>PcCIcABc8\ <3>_cbecjkcrqcy<3>fcbccXacSZzMWzGUzBEzo<3>NzSPzNHzhE\ zg<3>VzeZzeYzf<8>XzkXzlXzl<2>XznXznVzl<3>OzgMzfKzdIz\ cHzb<3>MzedzGizPmzX } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"