From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) A pragmatic view of copyright Date: 31 Dec 2001 23:42:17 -0800 At 10:24 PM 12/31/00, you wrote: >Dear Multiple, > The real issue that Bob found fault with was that Mr. Miller had >taken his fractals out of the hobby and put them to a purpose that no >longer inspired mathematical creativity. He felt that, by using his >fractals in a non-mathematical way, Mr. Miller had trivialized the work he >had done in obtaining beauty from the formulas. > What you have to understand is that being able to express yourself >rationally despite anger is a rare gift; one that Bob doesn't have. He >probably didn't even realize that copyright law wasn't what he was really >upset about. I thought I had read some stupid posts in this thread before this one. This one makes all the others look quite intellectual in comparison. Good grief. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 01 Jan 2001 13:40:11 +0500 ... So once I got to thinking more about L-systems as a fractal competition category, I came up with several sub-categories and a new proposal. What about an entirely separate annual L-system competition? Categories could include mono/colour, 1/2/multi-string, Dragon Curve/Twindragon variations, tiles, spacefilling curves, fonts, etc. (I still think that IFS types could have their own category in the main Fractal Art Competition. Not sure if there are any other types which could warrant individual attention.) Is there any interest in this? Tony Hanmer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) A smoothly colored PTC fractint image Date: 01 Jan 2001 07:41:19 -0500 Hi Ron, >> SummerGarden { ; Copyright Ron Barnett Dec 2000 t=3D 0:02:04.20= << Very nice! Electric violets? Happy New Year! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: (fractint) Fractint 20.1 patch 6 Date: 01 Jan 2001 08:07:45 -0600 The version 20.1 patch 6 diff and executable are now available at www.fractint.org. This patch fixes the writing of key assignments to fractint.cfg. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed Subject: To all readers/discussants[Fwd: (fractint) A pragmatic view of Date: 01 Jan 2001 10:46:17 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BFAC62E015C3EAE82458423A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Fractaliers,

1) After my latest attack of on-list rudeness to Bob Margolis, Administrator Tim Wegner sent a face-savingly private note re the drawbacks of such "heated" exchange, its off-topic nature, and simply asked that we "take it outside", which we did.
Tim then posted an instructive anecdote about his own bittersweet experience with the great American "justice" system in a similar fact situation.

I promptly received a long and thoughtful communication from Bob containing not a single mention of my inappropriate on-list comments of the day before.

So the characterizations in Para 2 of "BN Merenoff" (Collin?)'s 12:24am, 1/1/01 post are incorrect as well as unnecessarily ad hominem (and I speak as an expert in the latter).

2) I applaud Tony Hanmer's efforts to get more attention paid to L-Systems online. Their increasing applicability as a modeling tool in a broad range of areas, although largely unforeseen to Prusinkiewicz and Lindenmayer (The Algorithmic Beauty of Plants, SpringerVerlag, 1990, ISBN 0-387-97297-8, and other publications) nevertheless make them excellent candidates for a Competition or (even better?) a List of their own.

DeBow Freed
  --------------BFAC62E015C3EAE82458423A Return-Path: Received: from mx1.airmail.net from [209.196.77.98] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.25) with esmtp for sender: id ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by mx1.airmail.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14CyRD-000IAG-00; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:27:19 -0600 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14CyQk-0006pN-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: <200101010124_MC2-C032-1386@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com X-Airmail-Delivered: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:27:19 -0600 (CST) X-Airmail-Spooled: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:27:18 -0600 (CST) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Dear Multiple, The real issue that Bob found fault with was that Mr. Miller had taken his fractals out of the hobby and put them to a purpose that no longer inspired mathematical creativity. He felt that, by using his fractals in a non-mathematical way, Mr. Miller had trivialized the work h= e had done in obtaining beauty from the formulas. What you have to understand is that being able to express yoursel= f rationally despite anger is a rare gift; one that Bob doesn't have. He probably didn't even realize that copyright law wasn't what he was really= upset about. Sincerely, Collin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------BFAC62E015C3EAE82458423A Return-Path: Received: from mx4.airmail.net from [209.196.77.101] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.25) with esmtp for sender: id ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:43:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by mx4.airmail.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14CzdO-000Mb9-00; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:43:58 -0600 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Czcv-0007Yj-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:43:29 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001231234106.00da8100@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: icent@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 In-Reply-To: <200101010124_MC2-C032-1386@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com X-Airmail-Delivered: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:43:58 -0600 (CST) X-Airmail-Spooled: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:43:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 At 10:24 PM 12/31/00, you wrote: >Dear Multiple, > The real issue that Bob found fault with was that Mr. Miller had >taken his fractals out of the hobby and put them to a purpose that no >longer inspired mathematical creativity. He felt that, by using his >fractals in a non-mathematical way, Mr. Miller had trivialized the work he >had done in obtaining beauty from the formulas. > What you have to understand is that being able to express yourself >rationally despite anger is a rare gift; one that Bob doesn't have. He >probably didn't even realize that copyright law wasn't what he was really >upset about. I thought I had read some stupid posts in this thread before this one. This one makes all the others look quite intellectual in comparison. Good grief. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------BFAC62E015C3EAE82458423A-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Cycling Date: 01 Jan 2001 12:54:10 -0600 Randy wrote: > I have a Micron Millenium PII 400, and every time I try to color cycle it > goes at warp speed. Can anyone help? It sounds like a bug in the video board. Fractint uses standard VESA mechanisms for detecting when the video refresh happens. Occasionally a board doesn't have the correct VESA implementation. I'm sorry I'm vague, Bert Tyler was the expert at this. I suggest looking at Matrox's web site for BIOS updates. When these problems were found in the past with ATI, the fix involved a bios-fixing TSR porogram prtovided by the vendor. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "knife31a@micron.net" Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Cycling Date: 01 Jan 2001 14:08:47 -0700 --=====================_5388400==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for the ideas Tried different parameters went from 1 to 55. None worked. It would not recognize cyclelimit=1 but would recognize cyclelimit=2 thru 55. When I select a cyclelimit under 25 the display went slow for about a second then cranked up to warp 1. If I selected anything above 25 it just went warp 10. I even tried some different adapter settings (My adapter is a Starfighter AGP 0322 Standard, Hardware Version 033 Driver dated 1-26-99), no luck. I looked up cyclelimit in Fractal Creations 2 but only found cyclerange (page 181) this must be a new command I did see it in the F1 help file ver 20.0.14. Just got off the phone with Micron not much help they don't support BIOS upgrades but did descover I have a PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6, Part # MBD001099-XX so downloaded 'SE44bx04.exe' but I think I might be a little gunshy before I do the deed. Any other ideas before I leap off the BIOS cliff? At, 04:41 PM 1/1/01 +1300, you wrote: >At 17:51 31/12/2000 -0700, Randy Hoffmaster wrote: >>I have a Micron Millenium PII 400, and every time I try to color cycle it >>goes at warp speed. Can anyone help? > >There are two or three ways you can alter the speed of colour cycling. --=====================_5388400==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the ideas

Tried different parameters went from 1 to 55. None worked. It would not recognize cyclelimit=1 but would recognize cyclelimit=2 thru 55. When I select a cyclelimit under 25 the display went slow for about a second then cranked up to warp 1. If I selected anything above 25 it just went warp 10. I even tried some different adapter settings (My adapter is a Starfighter AGP 0322 Standard, Hardware Version 033 Driver dated 1-26-99), no luck. I looked up cyclelimit in Fractal Creations 2 but only found cyclerange (page 181) this must be a new command I did see it in the F1 help file ver 20.0.14.  Just got off the phone with Micron not much help they don't support BIOS upgrades but did descover I have a PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6, Part # MBD001099-XX so downloaded 'SE44bx04.exe' but I think I might be a little gunshy before I do the deed. Any other ideas before I leap off the BIOS cliff?


At,  04:41 PM 1/1/01 +1300, you wrote:

At 17:51 31/12/2000 -0700, Randy Hoffmaster wrote:
I have a Micron Millenium PII 400, and every time I try to color cycle it goes at warp speed. Can anyone help?

There are two or three ways you can alter the speed of colour cycling.
--=====================_5388400==_.ALT-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Cycling Date: 01 Jan 2001 17:41:33 -0600 > Just got off the phone with Micron not much help they don't > support BIOS upgrades but did descover I have a PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6, > Part # MBD001099-XX so downloaded 'SE44bx04.exe' but I think I might be a > little gunshy before I do the deed. Any other ideas before I leap off the > BIOS cliff? The Phoenix BIOS won't help. It's the *video* bios that might be the issue. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:19:22 +1300 At 13:40 01/01/2001 +0500, Tony Hanmer wrote: >... So once I got to thinking more about L-systems as a fractal >competition category, I came up with several sub-categories and a new proposal. > >What about an entirely separate annual L-system competition? Categories >could include mono/colour, 1/2/multi-string, Dragon Curve/Twindragon >variations, tiles, spacefilling curves, fonts, etc. Two- and three-dimensional renderings? Renderings with something other than line segments? Technically, the L-system consists of the axiom and production rules; what the resulting strings are used for is open slather. L-system generated music, anyone? Morgan L. Owens "Though having seen your work, you'd romp home in half the categories." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fernando Bresslau" Subject: Re: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 01 Jan 2001 23:36:25 -0200 Hey, I never worked with L-systems much and am curious about your results with it. Would you be so kind and post 2-3 parameter sets of what you think are your nicest images? Who else mentioned self-touching fractals? got me interested too... Thanks, Fernando Bresslau http://www.fractal.art.br/ bresslau@fractal.art.br _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 02 Jan 2001 00:04:50 -0600 Tony (Anthony) Hanmer wrote: > > (I still think that IFS types could have their own > category in the main Fractal Art Competition.....) > Since Damien initially announced the "Fractal-Art 2000 Contest" on Mon, 26 Jun 2000 at 00:32:49, we have yet to see a conclusion. From the announcement and discussions up through the actual submissions, things were the usual slow and late progress, but now it has been over six months. Adding new categories might make the next Contest take years to accomplish. P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 02 Jan 2001 11:03:17 +0500 >>Categories >>could include mono/colour, 1/2/multi-string, Dragon Curve/Twindragon >>variations, tiles, spacefilling curves, fonts, etc. > >Two- and three-dimensional renderings? Renderings with something other than >line segments? > >Technically, the L-system consists of the axiom and production rules; what >the resulting strings are used for is open slather. L-system generated >music, anyone? > I've become aware of the limitations of L-systems with only 1 string after axiom etc; e.g. I can produce many Twindragon variations with only 1 string, but so far not one Dragon Curve variation. (Thanks for the compliment, though, Morgan. I experiment a lot but generally it's shots in the dark and serendipitous discoveries rather than deep understanding that gets me where I'm going.) Tony _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Fractal-Art 2000 Contest Update Date: 02 Jan 2001 01:16:01 -0500 Good evening folks. It is my duty to inform you that the end of the world has come. At least, I think it has... because SURELY the end of the world would come before the contest entries are posted! Yet the entries are now available for your viewing pleasure. I need to extend copious thanks to Janet Preslar and Kerry Mitchell, who have spent many hours with me this weekend getting this gargantuan feat accomplished. I apologize to all contest participants for the extreme tardiness of the contest site's release. I grossly underestimated my available time and the amount of time it would take simply to post all the images. 453 images and animations are in this year's contest, 170M of data. The delay had virtually nothing to do with scripting, and everything to do with time allocation on my part. Anyway, the entries are up! Try not to all jam the server at once. :) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" Subject: Re: (fractint) L-system Competition...? Date: 02 Jan 2001 11:10:24 +0500 Not my BEST work, as I'm in another country from my archive at the moment (and the best work is waiting for now), but hopefully interesting nonetheless: a few pieces I've found in the last few days. Tony Hanmer p.s. Cut the following, paste it into a text file and name it adh.l and then it'll be ready to access in Fractint. adh5012 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom f f=h h=+f+hf } adh5012a { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 Axiom [f]+[f]+[f]+[f] f=h h=+f+hf } adh5012b { ; Anthony Hanmer 2000 Angle 4 ; Bilaterally symmetrical for odd orders Axiom f++f f=h h=+f+hf } adh5118 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2001 Angle 8 ; Twindragon Axiom f f=f+@q2f@iq2+++f } adh5125 { ; Anthony Hanmer 2001 Angle 4 ; Axiom f f=f+@q2f@iq2++@iq2f@q2 } _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Fractal-Art 2000 Contest Update Date: 02 Jan 2001 07:05:02 -0500 >> Yet the entries are now available for your viewing pleasure. << GREAT!!! Will the CDs be mailed soon? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractal-Art 2000 Contest Update Date: 02 Jan 2001 07:55:07 -0800 (PST) Hi Lee, > >> Yet the entries are now available for your viewing pleasure. << > > GREAT!!! Will the CDs be mailed soon? Certainly by the end of the month. :-) As soon as I can download the necessary file(s) from Damien. I just saw the announcement, but I haven't spoken to him about the CD image yet. I'll be able to get the preorders out within a day or two of downloading the files. I'll post a message when they are "in the mail". Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD, 03-01-01 (Parabolic Lace [7]) Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:12:31 EST Classic FOTD -- January 03, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I'm back! Though with all the copyright blather on the lists, I probably wasn't even missed. And perhaps it would be more accurate to say I'm half-back, since I'm still waiting for the new software CD to arrive in the snail-mail from Mindspring- Earthlink, so I can once again start sending through my Mindspring ISP. Until the software does arrive, and I get it up and running, I will not be able to post the FOTD images to ABPF. Until then (hopefully only a day or two from now) I will avoid unusually slow-to-render parameter files. Today's 14-minute image is borderline, but worth the effort. I return with a midget from the MandelbrotMix4 formula, a rather spectacular midget at that. When I noticed the parabolic strings of bays, I decided to name the image "Parabolas". Then I noticed the overall lacy effect and considered naming it "Lace". Unable to decide, I finally named the image "Parabolic Lace", a name that accurately describes the scene. The expression -1.1(Z)-0.011(Z^(-100))+(1/C), a whimsical series of 1's and 0's, lies behind the tan and green scene, which features a tiny midget at its center. The midget is rotated about 60 degrees CW from its normal orientation, though the midget is so small that the rotation is barely noticeable. Due to computer problems, I am unable to post the GIF image to Usenet, but as soon as he can get it rendered, it will be available on Paul Lee's web site at: The fractal weather has been cold but uneventful since I last reported. Today for example was partly cloudy with a temperature of 30F (-1C), which kept the fractal cats indoors chasing the elusive shafts of sunlight. I've got a good bit of philosophy backed up and ready to write. Today was too busy to give the wisdom the attention it demands, but the after-holiday rush will be gone in a few days, so keep tuned. Until tomorrow, when I'll return with another wonderful fractal, take care, and without fractals life would be only half as enjoyable. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com temporarily START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Parabolic_Lace { ; time=0:14:03.39 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.43305938747111610/+0.02692426213655286\ /3.213848e+009/1/-32.499 params=100/1/1/-100/-1.011/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=197 periodicity=9 colors=000_MN<3>ZLKZLJZKJZKIZKHYJH<29>qbHqcHrdH<2>tf\ HugGtfH<5>gZHeXHcWH<2>YSHWRHVSG<12>NaDMbCLbC<3>JeB<6\ >EkXEk_Dlb<3>BomApm<3>7sp7tq6tr5us5vt4xu4wv<4>9xyAxy\ Bxz<10>LyzMyzNyz<2>QzzQzzSzw<2>VzmczhrzcwzbrzccpYTfS\ <3>J44<3>BUR9`W7fa5mg<40>HeLHdKHdK<3>IdI<28>copdpqep\ s<2>gqvgrwgqxgqy<22>gjz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: (fractint) A joke! Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:19:31 +0100 Hi fractinters.. don't forget to hit the grey + on your keyboard.. cheers, Guy ************ nocopyr1 { ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 6 reset=1920 type=formula formulafile=cpyrght.frm formulaname=nocopy1 function=exp/flip/recip/ident passes=1 center-mag=-41.85566391148364000/+41.89621330375795000/76662.71/0.5152/-\ 97.536/-40.468 params=0.74/0.12/-24/-0.555/-30/1.3025 float=y maxiter=200 inside=zmag outside=atan invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 cyclerange=0/255 colors=I`I<37>343232222212101000100000<3>900B00D00<4>M00N00P00<2>V00W10W\ 20<3>Z71_81_A2<2>bD3cF3dG4dI4eJ4<5>jQ6kS6kT7lV7mW7<3>p`9qa9rcA<21>RD4QC4\ PA4<3>J62I52G31F21D00<2>C0BB0EA0H90L80P<3>50b40f30j<3>00x<24>00C00A008<2\ >002000100<18>b0Xd0Zf0`<3>n0fp0gr0i<3>z0p<9>g0`e0Zc0Y<3>W0R000<19>CPCDRD\ ESE<3>GXGGYGHZH<2>JcJ<2>IaI } frm:nocopy1 { ; using modified gallet-3-02.frm from Sylvie Gallet. ; Try fn3=recip, fn4=ident.. ; If (B=A*C) then the text is invisible, else=visible! ; A = real(P2), B = real(P3), C = imag(P3) ; 'periodicity=0' and 'passes=1' recommended x=real(scrnpix)/real(scrnmax), y=(imag(scrnmax)-imag(scrnpix))/(rea\ l(scrnmax)*0.75), z=x+flip(y) xCN=2.5*x chrN1 = x>0.03&&x<0.042||(x>0.062&&x<0.07492)||(y>-xCN+1.065&&y<-xC\ N+1.09731) chro2 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.11292,-0.94))-0.024)<0.006 test1 = chrN1||chro2&&y>0.91&&y<0.99 xc=1*x chrCR3 = abs(cabs(z+(-0.835,-0.075))-0.0308)<0.0042||(abs(cabs(z+(-\ 0.835,-0.075))-0.0133)<0.0042&&(x<0.835||y>xc-0.76||y<-xc+0.91)) test2 = chrCR3&&y>0.04&&y<0.11 test=test1||test2 test0=test0&&whitesq test0=((test0||test)==0) f1=fn3(imag(p3)*fn4(real(p2)*pixel)) f2=1/(real(p3)*pixel) pixel=(test==0)*f1+test*f2 ; Import of formula 'Gallet-3-02' from file LES_PARS.FRM z = pixel : x = real(z) , y = imag(z) x1 = x - p1*fn1(y+p2*fn2(y)) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x+p2*fn2(x)) z = x1+flip(y1) |z| <= 4 ;SOURCE: gallet-3.frm } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 04-01-01 (Impossible Fractal [6]) Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:41:22 EST Classic FOTD -- January 04, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today was one of frustration here at Fractal Central. The frustration began when I had no success getting the old 1996 Mindspring Windows 3.1 software to work on the new machine, which runs Win-98. The Earthlink tech support was of minimal help, informing me that they no longer support that software. But they did tell me that the current software should have arrived by this time. This was of no help either, since the CD has not in fact arrived. They concluded by telling me to reorder the software if it does not arrive in a few days, an action I had already considered. The frustration continued when I found a major bug in the latest float-only version of Fractint. I have not fully investigated the bug, but it appears that the formulaname information is not being properly written to the GIF image files, causing the program to pick up whatever formulaname info is current in the environment. I'll have to determine the exact nature of the bug before making the official report. The frustration reached a climax when a customer reported that my service bureau had delivered a faulty negative to them, causing me to utter a few well-chosen words. Despite the frustration, I managed to find a fractal. I named the image "Impossible Fractal" because such an image would appear to be impossible. The formula that drew the image is a generalization of John Goering's, SliceJB formula, which makes use of the new 4th and 5th variable parameter entries. Since I still am not able to connect to the Mindspring news server, the GIF image has not been posted to Usenet. But it will be available at Paul Lee's web site as soon as he can render it. The web site can be accessed at the URL: The fractal weather today was sunny but cold, with a temperature of 34F (1C), which kept the cats indoors. And I guess that's it for today. Such frustration is not conducive to philosophical pondering, so there is no philosophy today. If things calm down tomorrow however, the philosophy might appear. The only way to know for sure is to check back then. Until tomorrow, take care, and what would happen if all the possible fractals suddenly ceased to exist? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Impossible_Fractal { ; time=0:12:45.00 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=julibrot.frm formulaname=SliceJB-new function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-1.82146e-017/1.47451e-017/262.7154 params=0.49/0.49/0.49/0.49/2.00297/0/-1.7434/0/0.000\ 216/0.074274 float=y maxiter=18000 inside=0 logmap=62 periodicity=10 colors=000H30<4>H30J30M30O33R6AUEHXMN\ ZXUaf_cnffvmiysmz8qz7us6ym4zf4z_7<2>yHByADw7Ew4F<2>u\ 3Ju3Ks3M<2>r3QA2QD4R<2>H8VIAXKBYMDZNE_OFaQHbRIbUJeVK\ eXMgYNgZOk_QmbRqcSreUufVvgXvjYwkZwm_ynay<3>ufzvgzwiz\ yjz<3>zozzqzzrzzszzqz<15>zXzzVzzUz<2>yQzyOzwMy<2>vIy\ vHyvFwuEwuDwuBwsAv<3>r4vr3uq2uq0uq0uo0uo0s<3>n0sk0rj\ 0qi0qg0of0ne0nc0mb0k<2>Z4jY6iX7gV7gU8fSAeQBeODcNEbME\ bKFaJHaII_HJZFKZEMYDMXBNXAOV8QU7RU6SS4SS3UU3VU3XU<3>\ 2ZU2_U2aU0aU0bV0cV0cV0eV0fV0fV0gV0iV0iV0jV0kV0kX0mX0\ nX0nX0oX0qX<2>0sX0sX0uX0vY0vY0wY0yY<3>0zY0zY0zY0zY0z\ V3zU<2>JzQOzOSzN<3>mzIrzHvzFyzIzzKzzMzzNzzOzzOzzQzzR\ zzRzzSzzUzzUzzVzzX<3>yzZyz_wz_wzawzbwzbvzcvze<2>vzfq\ zkkzqfzvazz<5>bzybzybzwbzw } frm:SliceJB-new {; by John R. H. Goering, July 1999 pix=pixel, u=real(pix), v=imag(pix), a=pi*real(p1), b=pi*imag(p1), g=pi*real(p2), d=pi*imag(p2), ca=cos(a), cb=cos(b), sb=sin(b), cg=cos(g), sg=sin(g), cd=cos(d), sd=sin(d), p=u*cg*cd-v*(ca*sb*sg*cd+ca*cb*sd), q=u*cg*sd+v*(ca*cb*cd-ca*sb*sg*sd), r=u*sg+v*ca*sb*cg, s=v*sin(a), c=p+flip(q)+(p4), z=r+flip(s)+(p5): z=z^(p3)+c |z|<=9 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Test -- do not read Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:49:11 -0500 (EST) This is a test; it is only a test. If it were not a test, it would be a C-FOTD. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean-Pierre Louvet" Subject: (fractint) Fractal art contest mirror Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:09:23 +0100 Hi all, The French mirror for the fractal art contest 2k is at http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/contest2k/ Some animations using java may not work till the java.class files can be downloaded from the main site. It is only a question of 1 or 2 days. If you have any problem with this mirror, please send me a mail (don't disturb Damien Jones). Enjoy. J.P. Louvet | Phone : (33)05-56-84-58-35 IUT Universite Bordeaux 1 | 33405 Talence CEDEX France | email : louvet@hse.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr Fractales sur serveur Web Universite Bordeaux I : http://www.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/fractals/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 05-01-01 (Four Flying Wings [6]) Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:14:55 EST Classic FOTD -- January 05, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Between real work, fighting with the Fractint float-only-version bug, and trying to gain access to ABPF with the Agent newsreader through Earthlink, I once again found little time for fun with fractals, much less for serious philosophizing. Maybe, when I finally regain access to ABPF, I'll philosophize about the comedy of errors that kept me from getting connected. It will seem more like a comedy at that time. I did find a fractal today that rates a 6, which equals slightly above average on my entirely subjective scale of fractal worth. I named the picture "Four Flying Wings" after the four brilliant wing-shaped yellow areas surrounding the central midget. The mathematical expression 0.06Z^(-511)+0.6Z^(-2)+(1/C) created the fractal. The MandelbrotMix4 formula iterated the above expression to produce the image. At somewhat under 9 minutes on a P200, the parameter file is rather slow. To save time, give Paul a chance to render the image, then go to his web site at: to download the image. If all goes well, I'll resume posting the FOTD images to ABPF tomorrow, but so far very little has gone well. The fractal weather today was partly sunny, with a temperature of 35F (1.5C), which allowed the fractal cats a few minutes outdoors to romp in the yard. That's it for now. Until next time, take care, and fractals are as real as you make them to be. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Four_Flying_Wings { ; time=0:08:45.75 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+2.24514129586799700/+0.11861353313784640\ /7001148/1/112.499 params=0.1/-511/1/-2/-0.4/400 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=0 logmap=150 periodicity=9 colors=000O00P00P00M00K00H00G03E06B0B90E60J40M30R00X\ 00_01d03h04m06p07v07z0Bt0Ep1Hm6KiBMfGPcKUYPXVVYRaaOf\ dKkhHpkCvm9zp6zt3zx0zz0zz0<3>zzBzzEzzHzzKzzOzzPxzUxz\ Xvz_tza<2>ozkmzokzpizthzxfzzfzzipxmhtpaorUkvKfzEcz6Y\ z0Vz0Pz0Mz0J<3>z0Pz0Rz0Rz0U<2>z0Yz0_z0_<3>z0fz0hz0h<\ 3>z0oz0pz0pz3czBRzJGzR3z_0vh0tf0td0rd0rc0pc3pa6oaBo_\ GmYJmYOkXUkXXiVaiVdOUm3Rt0Pz0Oz0Ox0Mv0Mt3Kr6KrBJpEJo\ HHmMHkPGkUGiYEhaEfdCdiCcmBcpBav9_z9Yz7Xz7Xz6Vz4Uz4Rz\ 3Pz1Oz1Oz0Mx0Kv0Jv0Ht0Ht0Gr0Er0Cp0Bp1Bo39o49o69o79o9\ 7oB7oC7mE7<3>mK6mM6mO4mP4kR4kU4<3>k_3ka3kc3id4hf6fh6\ fi7dk9cm9aoBapB_rCYtEYvEXxGVzGUzHUzJRzJPzKPzKUzMVzMY\ zM_zMczOdzOhzOizO<3>_zaXzdVzhRzk<2>KzvHzzGzzCzzBzz9z\ z9zz9zz7zz<3>6zz6zz6zz4zz4zx4zx3zv3zv3zt3zt4zo6zk7zf\ 9zcBzYCzVEzPGzMHzHJzEKz9Mz6Oz1Pz0Rz0Mz0Mz0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Major float-only bug alert Date: 04 Jan 2001 22:16:10 EST I have found a major bug in the most recent float-only version of Fractint. The bug appears when a type=formula image is saved as a GIF file. When this is done, the formulaname= data is either incorrectly written to the GIF file or not written at all, making it impossible to do further work with the image. The only workaround I have found is very inconvenient. The workaround is to save the parameter file of the flawed GIF image, enter the correct formulaname= data into the parameter file by hand, redraw the image from the edited parameter file, and use the redrawn image for further work. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com jimmuth@aol.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) Why wait for a disk? Date: 05 Jan 2001 05:53:49 -0500 Mr. Muth, why wait for a disk? Windows 98 includes all the software needed to connect to a normal ISP -- the dial-up networking thing. Any decent ISP will have on their Web site the information needed to set it up -- DNS addresses, name of news, pop, smtp servers, and such. Even my ISP has that information, and they are not a very good ISP (indeed, all damn morning their pop and web servers have been incorrectly ignoring my connections instead of responding to them). If earthlink (or was it mindspring? I forget) forces you to use special software to connect or to use some functionality (e.g. news), I respectfully suggest you find yourself another ISP, one that works in a more standard way. As for the rationale behind preferring a normal ISP to a weird one that does things in non-standard ways, your own experiences over the last few days provide all the evidence needed to support it. (This, by the way, is also one of the arguments against using CI$ or AOL -- the terrible latency between their internal networks and the net at large, which plays hell with real-time gaming such as RTS games or Quake, are another, and economics the third...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: (fractint) Hello from Diana Date: 05 Jan 2001 06:48:14 -0800 Hello Fractal Art enthusiasts, I just wanted to say hi. I downloaded Fractint last week, and am learning the functionality. I have a lot of it down. One area I am still working on is loading a color map for my monitor. I have an NEC MultiSync 4FG monitor, which has wonderful color, but which is an older model, and freezes up when I load regular maps into it. I don't know if I need to keep the possible colors within a certain range, or not. Any ideas? Thanks, Diana ======================================== Diana L. Dubel :-) E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zorba the Hutt" Subject: (fractint) Hi-res diskvideo oddness Date: 05 Jan 2001 16:07:35 -0500 There's something odd and vaguely annoying that I've noticed with hi-res diskvideo (i.e. 2560x1920 or above - probably triggers lower than that, but I don't know for certain). All the rendering modes but single-pass are disabled, and all symmetry is disabled also. I'm currently rendering a simple Mandelbrot animation at that resolution, and I can only imagine the CPU bonuses I'd be getting with Guessing or Boundary Checking modes when the symmetry is working - as it is, I'm majorly impressed by how fast it's going anyway, I just wish it was going faster :) Is there some switch I'm missing, or is this just a symptom of ultra hi-res? Thanks, -Zorba (Note: I sent this before, but I just realized I sent it from the wrong account, i.e. the non-subscribed one, so I'm guessing it invisibly bounced - it was about a day ago. Whoops. Anyway, if they both get to the list, apologies for the spam.) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi-res diskvideo oddness Date: 05 Jan 2001 19:08:39 -0600 > There's something odd and vaguely annoying that I've noticed with hi-res > diskvideo (i.e. 2560x1920 or above - probably triggers lower than that, but > I don't know for certain). All the rendering modes but single-pass are > disabled, and all symmetry is disabled also. Yes, only single-pass works above resolutions with either X or Y above 2048. This is due to a buffer of that size which is used for the other rendering modes. Eventually we will get past that limitation. Don't hold your breath. We need to get to a 32-bit environment first. I don't believe that the symmetry is disabled due to high resolutions. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 06-01-01 (Baroque Minibrot [8]) Date: 05 Jan 2001 20:12:11 EST Classic FOTD -- January 06, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: It was yet another frustrating day here at Fractal Central. I finally managed to regain access to ABPF through Mindspring- Earthlink, or whatever they now call it. But the computer that I managed to get connected is at the Fractal Central Auxiliary office, and not at Fractal Central itself. The result is that, though I will be able to once again post my FOTD discussions and GIF images to Usenet, the posting will be delayed by about 12 hours, until I arrive at Fractal Central Auxiliary. Hopefully, this unsatisfactory situation will be remedied sometime this weekend. One of these days I'll tell how something as simple as getting connected to a Usenet server became so complicated, but right now we have another fractal to discuss This afternoon, I shut off my brain and entered a few random parameters into the M-Mix4 formula. The parameters produced the mathematical expression -1*Z^(-11.1)-11*Z^(-1.11)+(1/C), which when iterated drew the parent fractal in which today's unusually striking scene is found. Since the image reminds me of the curving intricacies of baroque ornamentation, I named it "Baroque Minibrot". After studying it from both close-up and at a distance, I decided that the image rates a much-above-average 8, a rating to which very few FOTD images rise. The parameter file renders in a few minutes. Those who would rather download the GIF image from Usenet must be patient for 12 hours or so, until I get to the Fractal Central Auxiliary shop and post the image to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The image should be available far sooner on the W.W.Web on Paul Lee's web site at the URL: The FOTD images are also now being posted by Scott Boyd to his web site at the URL: The FOTD fame is spreading; the fortune is not. And the weather today here at Fractal Central was cloudy with snow and a temperature of 30F (-1C). About 2 inches (5cm) of snow fell during the midday period, which was enough to keep the fractal cats from even thinking of going outdoors. Well fractal fans, that's it for another day. It's time to shut down the fractal shoppe and think about tackling that stubborn computer that won't connect. I'm sure it's some setting that I have wrong, but I just can't find the wrong setting and tech support no longer supports the 5-year-old software. Why do I still want to use the old programs? I like their simplicity. Until next time, take care, and philosophically speaking, fractals may exist only because we want them to. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Baroque_Minibrot { ; time=0:10:15.92 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+4.41470171704085300/+0.22703750058478620\ /177973.9/1/154.999 params=1/-11.1/11/-1.11/-2/400 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=165 periodicity=9 colors=000TPdTPd<13>_Wq_Wr`Xs<2>aYvbZwaaxZayXezSfzQj\ zMkzJnzFqzDpy8vyAqvBqsDoqEknFjkHfiIgfJccKjaDfZ6oX0zU\ 0yR2zODsMMmHXeIabKe`JbaI_cHYfFUjERmDOoBMrAIv8Fy7Dz6A\ z47z4Ez7JvAOqBUkEZfHcaIiXKnRNsMOyHRz8RzBSzESwHUsJUqM\ VmOViRX<2>_ZYXaZScZQf_Mi_Jj_HebF_eEXfDRiBNjAImB6r87n\ 78k4Ag3Be<2>3FV3HS3IQ3JR3KR2MO<3>2RZ2Sa2Uc<3>3Vn3Vq3\ Vs3Vv0Rz3Vy6Yq8_jDcbFfXIiOMmHOoARr2Zw0Uu0Qr0Mq6InAEm\ FAjK6gO2fU0cZ0ef0bb0a_0_Y<2>0XO0VK0UI<2>0Q80R7<2>0K6\ 0I60H60E60B60A607606603600002666BDAH<2>UNV_R_eVe<2>w\ guzjzzkyzkwzkwzkvzkvzmuzms<2>zmrznqzno<2>znnyjmsgmoe\ mjameZkaXkXSkSQkNNjIJjEHj8Ej68n4Bj4Eg4Hc4Ja4MZ3NV3QS\ 3SQ3VM3YJ3ZH6aM8bQBeUEfYHgaJjfMkjOnnRorSqvQrrOrnNrjM\ sgJscIs_HuX<3>AvI8vF6wB<2>2w00w30w40w70w80wA0wD0wE0w\ F0wI0wJ0wM0wN } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 06-01-01 (Baroque Minibrot [8]) Date: 05 Jan 2001 21:16:11 -0600 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > The image should be available far sooner on the W.W.Web on Paul > Lee's web site at the URL: > > > > The FOTD images are also now being posted by Scott Boyd to his > web site at the URL: > > > > The FOTD fame is spreading; the fortune is not. > Glad to see the FOTD spreading over to the adjoining county here in Texas. But I guess there must be something wrong with Scott's web site, since this is what it says: "Why am I posting the daily images on my Website, when they are already posted on Paul N. Lee's Website? The Fractal of the Day is usually not available on Paul's site until the next day, ......... So I created a Perl script to watch for the email to arrive, ........ With the whole process being automated, the FOTD image will usually be available on this Website within 30 minutes after Jim posts his daily email........" Mine already has the web page up (two hours after the FOTD email). And nothing appearing on Scott's site yet, so it must be that darned SWBell service again. Even though I had have them as one of my ISPs for a few years, they still continue to be unreliable. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 06-01-01 (Baroque Minibrot [8]) Date: 05 Jan 2001 23:24:38 -0600 On Friday 05 January 2001 21:16, Paul N. Lee wrote: > > Glad to see the FOTD spreading over to the adjoining county here in > Texas. But I guess there must be something wrong with Scott's web = site, > since this is what it says: > > "Why am I posting the daily images on my Website, when > they are already posted on Paul N. Lee's Website? The > Fractal of the Day is usually not available on Paul's > site until the next day, ......... So I created a Perl > script to watch for the email to arrive, ........ With > the whole process being automated, the FOTD image will > usually be available on this Website within 30 minutes > after Jim posts his daily email........" > > Mine already has the web page up (two hours after the FOTD email). = And > nothing appearing on Scott's site yet, so it must be that darned SW= Bell > service again. Even though I had have them as one of my ISPs for a= few > years, they still continue to be unreliable. > Well Paul, you got one up on me this time. 8-) I had remembered there= =20 being a discussion a few months ago on this mailing list about the la= g=20 time between Jim posting his FOTD to the lists, and the time you were= able=20 to post it on your Website. At that time, because of your schedule, I= =20 thought you were posting it the next day. My Perl script apparently still has a few bugs in it. When I was test= ing=20 it and saving stuff in a temp. directory, it worked OK. Tonight, I wa= s out=20 and about when Jim's FOTD email arrived, and the script didn't work= =20 correctly in actual production. (More bugs to eradicate....) For the = next=20 couple of days, it will probably be late in posting to my Website unt= il I=20 get it fixed. (Yes, I'll correct my text quoted above.) 8-) BTW, I've had a DSL connection for the past 5 months thru SWBell that= =20 stays connected 24 hrs a day. I rarely get disconnected, usually only= when=20 I disconnect for whatever reason. (Usually to make some changes to my= =20 router/firewall box. Surprisingly - it's been very reliable DSL servi= ce so=20 far! And pretty darn fast too! A lot better than "56k" dialup service= ! Regards, Scott --=20 sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ Linux...=20 "Find out what you've been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT."=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Infoworld=20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 06-01-01 (Baroque Minibrot [8]) Date: 05 Jan 2001 23:58:09 -0600 Scott D. Boyd wrote: > > Well Paul, you got one up on me this time. Since Jim sends out his FOTD at various times, one can never really tell when my web site will have the latest page. But I usually post it as soon as I get home from work (if the email has arrived). Otherwise I stay up until around 01:30 to 02:30 Central Time waiting for it. The only time I post it the next day is if Jim is so late that his email arrived the next day also, and I then do it first thing in the morning (if it has arrived by then as well). > > My Perl script apparently still has a few bugs in it. I thought about doing the same thing, but I enjoy making the FOTD's "border color" something that blends with the picture. This would be rather difficult to do with a script. And I also like to throw in a few "links" on various keywords within Jim's text. Most times they are useful and pertinent, but sometimes they are humorous. Something else not easily done with scripting. > >(Yes, I'll correct my text quoted above.) 8-) Thank you!! :-) > > BTW, I've had a DSL connection for the past 5 months > thru SWBell that stays connected 24 hrs a day. I tried their DSL service when it first came out in the Dallas area, but soon gave up on them and went back to the Dial-Up. > > Surprisingly - it's been very reliable DSL service so > far! And pretty darn fast too! Maybe I'll give them another try again to see if they've ironed out the previous "bugs". Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Raghav Agnihothri" Subject: (fractint) Re: Discussion Date: 06 Jan 2001 01:46:37 -0500 Hello everyone. I've been on this list since October, and I gotta tell you its been great. I've mainly been lurking in the shadows, fiddling with fractals and admiring the FOTD. For your information, I'm a senior in high-school, and I really had no idea that fractals were this accessible. I originally began as a result of some research I was doing on computer-generated artwork for my IB Art and Design Class, but it has expanded into so much more. I'm slowly beginning to understand the math behind it, and the way this program works. The main point of this email is just to tell you guys how great I've found it here. The recent heated discussion on copyright issues was quite interesting, and as a newbie, I was interested and entertained. Thanx guys, and I look forward to more adventures in fractal land! Raghav Agnihothri Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zorba the Hutt" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi-res diskvideo oddness Date: 06 Jan 2001 01:43:31 -0500 That makes sense - and yeah, you're right about the symmetry. I was permuting a mandelbrot along the real axis, which, despite still being symmetrical, appears to lose fractint's symmetry flag for some reason. Ah well. Mystery solved - thanks :) -Zorba ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:08 PM > > There's something odd and vaguely annoying that I've noticed with hi-res > > diskvideo (i.e. 2560x1920 or above - probably triggers lower than that, > but > > I don't know for certain). All the rendering modes but single-pass are > > disabled, and all symmetry is disabled also. > > Yes, only single-pass works above resolutions with either X or Y above 2048. > This is due to a buffer of that size which is used for the other rendering > modes. Eventually we will get past that limitation. Don't hold your > breath. We need to get to a 32-bit environment first. > > I don't believe that the symmetry is disabled due to high resolutions. > > Jonathan > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hello from Diana Date: 06 Jan 2001 01:31:09 -0600 Diana L. Dubel wrote: > > Hello Fractal Art enthusiasts, Welcome !! I see you made it to this particular fractal related Discussion List. :-) > > One area I am still working on is loading > a color map for my monitor. I have an NEC > MultiSync 4FG monitor, which has wonderful > color, but which is an older model, and > freezes up when I load regular maps into it. It more than likely has nothing to do with the monitor itself, but possibly with the video card that you have installed. Could you specify what it is, and at what "video mode" you are running with ?? Also, which version/release of FractInt are you using, and do you have a SSTOOLS.INI file set up ?? > > I don't know if I need to keep the possible > colors within a certain range, or not. Should be able to choose anything in the 256-color range. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: (fractint) Question on loading color map files Date: 06 Jan 2001 06:45:10 -0800 Paul, Yes, thanks for inviting me! Now, I would like to ask a question :-) I am having trouble loading color map files. When I do this my monitor displays graphic junk, in the colors of the map. If after loading the map file, I hit the key once, and specify F4 again, I then see the map in the right format. I have an older monitor which still has the best color I have seen on a monitor, and I don't want to get rid of it for this reason. It is NEC Multisync 4FG. Any ideas? Diana -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:31 PM Diana L. Dubel wrote: > > Hello Fractal Art enthusiasts, Welcome !! I see you made it to this particular fractal related Discussion List. :-) > > One area I am still working on is loading > a color map for my monitor. I have an NEC > MultiSync 4FG monitor, which has wonderful > color, but which is an older model, and > freezes up when I load regular maps into it. It more than likely has nothing to do with the monitor itself, but possibly with the video card that you have installed. Could you specify what it is, and at what "video mode" you are running with ?? Also, which version/release of FractInt are you using, and do you have a SSTOOLS.INI file set up ?? > > I don't know if I need to keep the possible > colors within a certain range, or not. Should be able to choose anything in the 256-color range. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi-res diskvideo oddness Date: 06 Jan 2001 09:52:32 -0500 >Yes, only single-pass works above resolutions with either X or Y above >2048. For now, I recommend using the older divide-and-conquer approach (you know, the makemig/simplgif thing). Eventually, Fractint should use all the fancy speedups for any disk-video mode small enough to fit in RAM (which increases as RAM increases). For true disk video, perhaps it should just implement the divide-and-conquer approach internally? It could use the disk to create the large image buffer as now, but divide this into a rectangular grid of chunks small enough to fit in available memory and do these chunks one at a time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 06-01-01 (Baroque Minibrot [8]) Date: 06 Jan 2001 10:03:26 -0500 >I thought about doing the same thing, but I enjoy making the FOTD's >"border color" something that blends with the picture. This would be >rather difficult to do with a script. > >And I also like to throw in a few "links" on various keywords within >Jim's text. Most times they are useful and pertinent, but sometimes >they are humorous. Something else not easily done with scripting. I happen to know how to automate both of those processes. (Noting that the links tend to link specific words to the same site, with definite patterns if a word is repeated.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: Re: (fractint) Major float-only bug alert Date: 06 Jan 2001 17:12:08 -0000 Hi, I don't have patch 6, but I've found out that the bug is also in float-only versions 4 & 5. I find it amazing that nobody noticed it earlier! If it helps, you could instead load the fractal, press "g" and type in the correct formulaname= data and then work with it without having to load the parameter file in another program. This is actually a handy tip for everyone, if you rename a formula then you can load the file, use formulaname= to replace the formula name and overwrite the original file (nb. Use a version of Fractint without the bug in!), a redraw may be necessary however. From, Rupert ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:16 AM > > I have found a major bug in the most recent float-only version > of Fractint. The bug appears when a type=formula image is saved > as a GIF file. When this is done, the formulaname= data is > either incorrectly written to the GIF file or not written at > all, making it impossible to do further work with the image. > The only workaround I have found is very inconvenient. The > workaround is to save the parameter file of the flawed GIF > image, enter the correct formulaname= data into the parameter > file by hand, redraw the image from the edited parameter file, > and use the redrawn image for further work. > > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > jimmuth@aol.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" Subject: Re: (fractint) Why wait for a disk? Date: 06 Jan 2001 17:12:14 -0000 Hi, Go to http://www.newsservers.net/non-members/news_servers/top-10.html and even I, using rubbish, English, free ISPs, can access newsgroups. From, Rupert ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:53 AM > Mr. Muth, why wait for a disk? Windows 98 includes all the software needed > to connect to a normal ISP -- the dial-up networking thing. Any decent ISP > will have on their Web site the information needed to set it up -- DNS > addresses, name of news, pop, smtp servers, and such. Even my ISP has that > information, and they are not a very good ISP (indeed, all damn morning > their pop and web servers have been incorrectly ignoring my connections > instead of responding to them). If earthlink (or was it mindspring? I > forget) forces you to use special software to connect or to use some > functionality (e.g. news), I respectfully suggest you find yourself another > ISP, one that works in a more standard way. As for the rationale behind > preferring a normal ISP to a weird one that does things in non-standard > ways, your own experiences over the last few days provide all the evidence > needed to support it. > > (This, by the way, is also one of the arguments against using CI$ or AOL -- > the terrible latency between their internal networks and the net at large, > which plays hell with real-time gaming such as RTS games or Quake, are > another, and economics the third...) > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Major float-only bug alert Date: 06 Jan 2001 13:20:35 EST >I don't have patch 6, but I've found out that the bug is also in float-only >versions 4 & 5. >I find it amazing that nobody noticed it earlier! For several months I've been getting occasional blank screens when working with old GIF files, but since these blank screens showed up while I was using other versions of Fractint, I didn't connect the problem to files created by the float-only version until a few days ago. >If it helps, you could instead load the fractal, press "g" and type in the >correct formulaname= data and then work with it without having to load the >parameter file in another program. This is far more convenient than editing and rerendering a parameter file, but if one doesn't remember which formula name to type in, the image becomes useless for further work. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) (4 Jim Muth - Mindspring software) Date: 06 Jan 2001 14:43:59 -0500 At 12:41 AM 1/4/2001 EST, you wrote: >Today was one of frustration here at Fractal Central. The=20 >frustration began when I had no success getting the old 1996=20 >Mindspring Windows 3.1 software to work on the new machine,=20 >which runs Win-98. The Earthlink tech support was of minimal=20 >help, informing me that they no longer support that software. =20 >But they did tell me that the current software should have=20 >arrived by this time. This was of no help either, since the CD=20 >has not in fact arrived. They concluded by telling me to=20 >reorder the software if it does not arrive in a few days, an=20 >action I had already considered. Jim -=20 (snips above and below) Just noticed you were having trouble re: Mindspring software compatible w/Win 98. Try this url: http://download.mindspring.com/software/win95.html You can also find Win 98 software there. This for members only, of course, and if you haven't received their disc yet... Regards, David S. davides@pipeline.com http://www.mbfractals.com/usergal/davides.html http://home.pipeline.com/~davides ^ ^ 0=BF0 _ New Windows Message: This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another game? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) (4 Jim Muth - Mindspring software) Date: 06 Jan 2001 14:57:38 -0500 At 02:43 PM 1/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: And, btw, when you wrote, "and trying to gain access to ABPF with the Agent newsreader " What version of Agent? David S. davides@pipeline.com http://www.mbfractals.com/usergal/davides.html http://home.pipeline.com/~davides ^ ^ 0=BF0 _ New Windows Message: This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another game? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) (4 Jim Muth - Mindspring software) Date: 06 Jan 2001 19:30:18 EST On 01-01-06 at 14:44:12 EST David S. wrote: >Just noticed you were having trouble re: Mindspring software compatible >w/Win 98. >Try this url: >http://download.mindspring.com/software/win95.html >You can also find Win 98 software there. This for members only, of course, >and if you haven't received their disc yet... >Regards, >David S. Thanks for the URL. However . . . I just downloaded the Earthlink 4.0 software from the Earthlink site. It runs fine on my FOTD machine which has 16m memory and runs Win 95. Unfortunately, it works only until I try to connect. Then the comedy of errors continues. I get nothing but an authentication error. I am using the same user-name, user-ID, and password that works on the machine over at Fractal Central Auxiliary, which runs a lite version of the Earthlink 5.0 software. Unfortunately again for me here at Fractal Central, that software requires a minimum 32m memory, and my FOTD machine has only 16m. The goal is to connect to Earthlink from my dedicated P200 FOTD machine here at Fractal Central. The arrival of the disk is no longer important, since it contains only a full version of the 5.0 software, which requires 32m memory. Actually, I'm becoming amused at the way the computer gods seem to have conspired to prevent me from connecting to Earthlink from the FOTD machine. The most recent failed attempt is the 15th since the old 486 machine crashed. I'll keep you updated on the frustrations as they continue to happen. Jim M. P.S. AOL works perfectly on the FOTD machine. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 07-01-01 (Fractal Ant Trails [4]) Date: 07 Jan 2001 01:27:09 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 07, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: After another day of fractal frustration, trying again and failing to get my FOTD machine connected to Mindspring, I found enough time to find a fractal. The expression behind the image is Z^(1.08)-0.1Z^(-0.92)+(1/C), an expression that draws a most curiously distorted Mandeloid. Today's little midget lies in a crescent-shaped area of chaos that curves from the East Valley of the parent fractal. It is one of those midgets that appears to have few organized features around it, existing instead in a world of near total chaos. I named the image "Fractal Ant Trails" when the curving strings of vaguely ant-shaped features reminded me of trails of ants on the way to and from a source of food. I rated the image a 4, which is slightly below average on my scale. The render time of 21 minutes is the time required to render the image in video-mode SF7, the minimum resolution that does justice to the scene. For those with patience, the very large GIF file will be posted in 12 hours to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and in an hour or so to: and to: The fractal weather today was partly sunny with a temperature of 38F (3C), which combined with the snow on the ground to keep the cats indoors. I was far too busy and frustrated to philosophize. Perhaps tomorrow... Until then, take care. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Ant_Trails { ; time=0:21:02.58 -- render at SF7 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=mandelbrotmix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.01071533553487223/-0.00439118430360055\ /2770.515/1/-132.499 params=10/1.08/-1/-0.92/-0.9/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=42 periodicity=9 colors=000uxzsxzkxzozzmxzkxzivzgvzeuzduzbsz`szZqzXqz\ VozTozRmzPmzNkzLkzJizHizGgzEgzCezAez8dz8dx0bx0bv0`v0\ `v0Zu0Zu0Xs0Xs0Xs0Vq0Vq0To0To0Rm0Rm0Pm0Pk0Nk0Ni0Li0L\ g0Jg0Jg0He0He0Gd0Gd0Eb0Eb0Cb0C`0A`08Z06Z04X02X00X00V\ 00V00T00T00R00T00T00V00V02V04X06X08X0AZ0EZ0EZ0G`0G`0\ H`0Jb0Jb0Ld0Ld0Nd0Pe0Pe0Re0Rg0Tg0Vg0Vi0Xi0Xi0Zk0`k0`\ m0bm0bm0do0eo0eo0gq0gq0iq0ks0ks0ms0ou0ou0qu0qv0sv0ux\ 0ux0vx0vz0xz0zz<44>0zz0zz0zz<2>0zz0zz0xz0vz0vz0uz0uz\ 0sz0sz0qz0qz0oz0oz0mz0mz0kz0mz0kz0kz4kz6kzAkzCizGizH\ izLizNizRgzTgzXgxZgvbgvdeugeuiesmesoeqsdoudoxdmzdmzd\ kzdkzbmzbmzbmz`mz`mz`mzZmzZmzZmzXmzXmzXmzVmzVmzVmzTm\ zTmzTmzRmzRmzRmzRmzPmzPmzPmzNmzNmzNmzLmzLmzLmzJmzJmz\ JmzHm<2>zGm0xz0xz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" Subject: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 07 Jan 2001 19:19:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C078DE.D0CF6720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've only just joined the list and just wanted to say 'Hi' from = Portugal. I've had various versions of Fractint for years, it just gets better and = better! One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth talked about 'East Valley' in FOTD = 7/01/01. I assume he means what I would call 'Crack of the Bum', (bearing in mind = the we=20 Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the gluteus maximus!) Is there a = semi-official map of the Mandelbrot Set with proper names for the various features? I = use=20 words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and 'Side Flame' but they won't mean = anything to anybody else. =20 I have downloaded Thore Berntsen's Screen Saver. It makes the creation = of gif=20 images completely painless, if at the cost of leaving your machine on = overnight=20 (for a few nights). Having created a whole slew of gif images it = suddenly occurred=20 to me that if I organised a set of images that progressively zoomed out = on a particular=20 Mandelbrot image, I could get a 'fly out' and 'fly in' effect if I could = animate them. =20 =20 If there is anybody interested I've written a couple of VB programs = which do the following: =20 ParGen: A program to generate a series of par entries that 'zoom out' = of a particular=20 Mandelbrot image. =20 Zoomer: A program that displays a directory's worth of gif images in = sequence. (Rather slowly, Autodesk Animator it isn't!) =20 Unfortunately, because my ISP limits the size of any email to 3Mb, the = programs are supplied as VB5 source so you'll need access to VB to run or compile = them. =20 So here's the problem. I have no idea how many people are on the = Fractint list nor how many would like a copy of the programs. A couple of dozen I could = manage, but what if=20 there are hundreds?! How do I make the stuff available to you guys if = you ARE interested? Best regards Chris Curnow. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C078DE.D0CF6720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've only just joined the list and = just wanted=20 to say 'Hi' from Portugal.
I've had various versions of Fractint = for years,=20 it just gets better and better!
 
One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth = talked about=20 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01.
I assume he means what I would call = 'Crack of=20 the Bum', (bearing in mind the we
Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the = gluteus=20 maximus!)  Is there a semi-official
map of the Mandelbrot Set with proper = names for=20 the various features?  I use
words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and = 'Side=20 Flame' but they won't mean anything
to anybody else.
 
I=20 have downloaded Thore Berntsen's Screen Saver.  It makes the creation of gif=20
images completely = painless, if at=20 the cost of leaving your machine on overnight
(for=20 a few nights).  Having = created a=20 whole slew of gif images it suddenly occurred
to me=20 that if I organised a set of images that progressively zoomed out on a=20 particular
Mandelbrot image, I could = get a=20 'fly out' and 'fly in' effect if I could animate them. 
 
If there is anybody interested I've = written a=20 couple of VB programs which do
the following:
 
ParGen:  A program to generate a = series of par=20 entries that 'zoom out' of a particular
Mandelbrot=20 image.
 
Zoomer:  A program = that=20 displays a directory's worth of gif images in sequence. =20 (Rather
slowly, Autodesk Animator = it=20 isn't!)
 
Unfortunately, because my = ISP=20 limits the size of any email to 3Mb, the programs are
supplied as VB5 source so = you'll=20 need access to VB to=20 run or compile them.
 
So here's the problem.  I have no idea = how many=20 people are on the Fractint list nor how
many would like a copy of the programs.  = A couple=20 of dozen I could manage, but what if
there are hundreds?!  How do I make the = stuff=20 available to you guys if you ARE interested?
 
Best=20 regards
Chris=20 Curnow.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C078DE.D0CF6720-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wight" Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 07 Jan 2001 14:47:44 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C078B8.CBC254C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris writes << One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth talked about 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01. I assume he means what I would call 'Crack of the Bum', (bearing in mind the we Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the gluteus maximus!) Is there a semi-official map of the Mandelbrot Set with proper names for the various features? I use words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and 'Side Flame' but they won't mean anything to anybody else. >> Try this link Chris. There is a map showing the semi-official names for some of the areas of the Mandelbrot Set. http://www.globalserve.net/~derbyshire/manguide.html Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C078B8.CBC254C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris=20 writes

<< One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth = talked about=20 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01.
I assume he means what I would call = 'Crack of=20 the Bum', (bearing in mind the we
Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the = gluteus=20 maximus!)  Is there a semi-official
map of the Mandelbrot Set with proper = names for=20 the various features?  I use
words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and = 'Side=20 Flame' but they won't mean anything
to anybody else. >>
 
Try=20 this link Chris. There is a map showing the semi-official names for = some of=20 the areas of the Mandelbrot Set.
 
http://www.= globalserve.net/~derbyshire/manguide.html 
 
 
Bill
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C078B8.CBC254C0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" Subject: (fractint) Question Date: 07 Jan 2001 21:47:57 -0300 This is of course off-topic, but not having other resource, I will be grateful if someone in the list can help. In such a case, please answer privately to rforno@tutopia.com. The problem is as follows: When copying an audio CD (I am using a CREATIVE CD-RW and Nero 4.5), I found that, reading back the copy as a .WAV file, and comparing the file to the .WAV from the original CD, the files differ. There is an extensive portion of the files that matches exactly, but in the copy there are about 5 ms *added* at the beggining, and about 2.5 seconds missing at the end, so that the length of the files itself also differs. Moreover, if one reads the audio data by means of 2 different drives (I happen to own also a CD reader), the files have the same length but differ at both ends as if they were shifted. This is really astonishing. Many thanks for your help. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 07 Jan 2001 19:19:04 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C078DE.B2A7FB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I am delighted to see that there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal. It is an incredibly fascinating object! Thanks, Diana -----Original Message----- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of wight Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:48 PM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Chris writes << One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth talked about 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01. I assume he means what I would call 'Crack of the Bum', (bearing in mind the we Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the gluteus maximus!) Is there a semi-official map of the Mandelbrot Set with proper names for the various features? I use words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and 'Side Flame' but they won't mean anything to anybody else. >> Try this link Chris. There is a map showing the semi-official names for some of the areas of the Mandelbrot Set. http://www.globalserve.net/~derbyshire/manguide.html Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C078DE.B2A7FB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
I am delighted = to see that=20 there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal.  It is an incredibly = fascinating=20 object!
 
Thanks,
 
Diana
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 wight
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:48 = PM
To:=20 fractint@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from = a real=20 newbie (is that the word?)

Chris writes

<< One thing I've = noticed; Jim=20 Muth talked about 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01.
I assume he means what I would call = 'Crack of=20 the Bum', (bearing in mind the we
Europeans use the word 'Bum' for the = gluteus=20 maximus!)  Is there a semi-official
map of the Mandelbrot Set with = proper names=20 for the various features?  I use
words like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' = and 'Side=20 Flame' but they won't mean anything
to anybody else. >>
 
Try=20 this link Chris. There is a map showing the semi-official names = for some=20 of the areas of the Mandelbrot Set.
 
http://www.= globalserve.net/~derbyshire/manguide.html 
 
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C078DE.B2A7FB40-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeBow Freed Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 07 Jan 2001 21:58:40 -0600 Fellow Newbies-

Two sites which not only deal with the anatomy of Mandelbrot's snowman, as well as other aspects of fractal geometry, and which in some instances are both more accessible and functional to us novices:

1) Boston University's site (find bu.math.edu), specifically Bob Devaney's webpage,and perhaps the best of all for us newbies:

2) M. Casco & Associates' educational site.

Sorry I don't have the precise links, but all 3 can be found with one or two keystrokes with a Google search.

I strongly encourage you to investigate all of them.

D. Freed

PS - any problems finding them, let me know and I'll help.
 
 

"Diana L. Dubel" wrote:

Bill,I am delighted to see that there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal.  It is an incredibly fascinating object!Thanks,Diana
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:48 PM
To: fractint@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?)
 
Chris writes
<< One thing I've noticed; Jim Muth talked about 'East Valley' in FOTD 7/01/01.I assume he means what I would call 'Crack of the Bum', (bearing in mind the weEuropeans use the word 'Bum' for the gluteus maximus!)  Is there a semi-officialmap of the Mandelbrot Set with proper names for the various features?  I usewords like 'Spike', 'Second Waist' and 'Side Flame' but they won't mean anythingto anybody else. >>Try this link Chris. There is a map showing the semi-official names for some of the areas of the Mandelbrot Set.http://www.globalserve.net/~derbyshire/manguide.html  Bill
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward Barton" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hello from Diana Date: 08 Jan 2001 11:26:21 +0100 >One area I am still working on is loading a color map for my monitor. >I have an NEC MultiSync 4FG monitor, which has wonderful color, but >which >is an older model, and freezes up when I load regular maps >into it. > >I don't know if I need to keep the possible colors within a certain >range, or not. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks, > >Diana > >======================================== >Diana L. Dubel :-) I am having a similar trouble on my monitor, but only when running Fractint from Windows, and find that if I Alt-Tab out and then back in, the screen fixes itself _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward Barton" Subject: (fractint) Hi there! Date: 08 Jan 2001 11:45:39 +0100 I'm happy to be joining all of you fractal admirers. I just recently got interested in fractals, and find Fractint an amazing program. P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures. Happy new Millenium, Edward Barton, writing from Geneva, Switzerland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 08-01-01 (Black and White [4]) Date: 08 Jan 2001 08:16:42 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 08, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: As the lateness of this FOTD shows, due to another day of non- productive trial-and-error, I had little time for fractal fun. But I am closing in on the cause of my inability to connect my FOTD machine to my Mindspring provider. I strongly suspect an incompatibility between only Mindspring and only that particular modem. I'll discuss this tomorrow with tech support, and give Mindspring another chance to solve the problem. If they can't tell me how to get my FOTD machine to connect, I'll probably sign up with a provider that I *can* connect to. Today's image features one of those ghost scenes, which consist of all trapped points, all inside lake water that has been left behind after the landscape evaporated. In this image it took a zmag inside fill to bring out the ethereal remnants of the land that has sunk beneath the water. The land has vanished beneath the surface because the escape radius has been raised to 499,900. Lowering the imag(p3) parameter will eventually cause the land to rise to the surface. I named the image "Black and White" when I noticed the two contrasting ghost-buds, one an empty black, the other a luminous green. Behind the buds, ghostly debris fills the sky, and in this debris lie many Mandelbrot midgets, waiting to be brought to life. I rated the picture a 4, mostly because the color lacks harmony. But it's still an interesting image to look at. The iterated expression is nothing more than a mixture of Z and 1/Z, a combination that promises little but delivers much. The calculation takes a full hour on a P200. For relief, the GIF file of the image will be posted to Usenet in about 3 hours, as soon as I arrive at Fractal Central Auxiliary and the machine that does connect. Check for it then on the binary newsgroup: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The GIF image will also soon be available at: and at: The fractal weather was mostly sunny with a temperature of 44F (6.5C), which was the mildest in several weeks. The fine afternoon lured the fractal cats outdoors for a 1/2 hour romp in the yard. That's it for this morning. But I'll return in about 14 hours with another glorious fractal and a few words about it. Until then, take care, and don't let a late FOTD spoil your day. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Black_and_White { ; time=0:59:31.06 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=t center-mag=-12.2367/-11.4115/1.34604/1/-90 params=1/1/1/-1/-1.075/500000 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=zmag logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000ZCV<15>RHeQHfQHg<2>OIiOIiNJh<46>HoWHpWHqW<\ 2>HsVHsVIrW<24>NemNdnOdo<3>ObqYKlg1h<35>PfcOgcOhc<3>\ Mlc<3>Yle`leclf<3>nlg<34>CEEBDEACD9BC8AB79A57B<28>Yo\ AZqA_rA<3>bxA<15>ggM } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 08 Jan 2001 08:35:02 -0500 ...there's a problem with the fotd web site again. It's eight in the morning and it still doesn't seem to be there. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 08 Jan 2001 10:39:05 -0600 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > ...there's a problem with the fotd web site > again. It's eight in the morning and it still > doesn't seem to be there. > And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been explained to you so many times?? I find you lack of comprehension astounding. It all depends on when Jim sends the FOTD to the Discussion Lists, and how long it takes to render the image and upload to the web page. Jim posted todays email "C-FOTD 08-01-01 (Black and White [4])" at the following time: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:16:42 -0500 (EST) The PAR (and his discussion) state it takes about an hour to render: Black_and_White { ; time=0:59:31.06 -- SF5 on a P200 And you sent your snide little remark at the following time: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:35:02 -0500 (EST) That is less than twenty minutes from the time he emailed the FOTD, which has to go through various servers and get redistributed through the discussion lists, and then on to other servers. And even when I create it by hand, it is still faster than the latest site which is developing scripting to publish the image. But when Scott gets the "bugs" out, then you can go to that site and complain that it doesn't appear instantaneously. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Childress Subject: (fractint) Contest 2K CDs Date: 08 Jan 2001 09:20:41 -0800 (PST) Hi all, All those who have ordered Contest 2K CDs from me were mailed this morning. Those in the US should receive them by the end of the week and international orders by the first of next week. If you do not receive it by them, or have problems with it, please contact me privately. The JAVA applet problems were solved by Tina Oloyede, and worked properly on the CDs I made. If you have problems, please contact me privately, or go to the www.contest2k.com directly. If you still want to order a CD, please see the information at the contest site. Ken... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wight" Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 08 Jan 2001 10:11:37 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0795B.6376F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Bill, I am delighted to see that there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal. It is an incredibly fascinating object! Thanks, Diana >> Incredibly fascinating certainly describes the Mandelbrot Set. I wish I were a mathematician so I could understand how the plots are generated. I know that they are plots on the complex plane but I just cannot fathom how all those shapes are created by such a simple formula--it seems like magic. I generated Mandelbrot figures many years ago using a program called Fractal Magic on my second PC, a 286. I can remember starting a computation before I went to bed and letting it run all night and all the next day. Now, using WinFract on a 450 MHrtz Pentium II machine, the longest I've had to wait is about 10 minutes for the deepest zooms the program will do (w/o the deep zoom routines). Most computations are complete in less than a minute. Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for the FractInt program? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0795B.6376F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 << Bill,
 
I am delighted = to see that=20 there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal.  It is an incredibly = fascinating=20 object!
 
Thanks,
 
Diana >>
 
Incredibly fascinating = certainly describes=20 the Mandelbrot Set.  I wish I were a mathematician so I could = understand=20 how the plots are generated.  I know that they are plots on the = complex=20 plane but I just cannot fathom how all those shapes are created by such = a simple=20 formula--it seems like magic.
 
I generated Mandelbrot figures = many years=20 ago using a program called Fractal Magic on my second PC, a 286.  I = can=20 remember starting a computation before I went to bed and letting it run = all=20 night and all the next day.  Now, using WinFract on a 450 MHrtz = Pentium II=20 machine, the longest I've had to wait is about 10 minutes for the = deepest zooms=20 the program will do (w/o the deep zoom routines).  Most = computations are=20 complete in less than a minute.
 
Can someone point me to a = resource that=20 tells how to create a color map for the FractInt=20 program?
 
Bill
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PFM would help, but it's in short supply since the repubs tinkled florida...  :)

  JimMuth@aol.com wrote:

Multiple Bogeys wrote:

>...there's a problem with the fotd web site again. It's eight in the morning
>and it still doesn't seem to be there.

The problem is that it's impossible for the FOTD to appear on anyone's web
site before I write and post it. If anyone knows a way around this
impossibility, I would be grateful for the information.

Jim M.

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Hi,
since I have been away and not part of = the mailing=20 list for a while, I missed
all Fractint Digest from 8 July = 2000.
Could someone please send me a copy of = those up to=20 now? 
 
I am especially intrerested in answers = to two=20 problem which I sent to the
Fractint list and never got a private = answer=20 to:
 
1. How can I get a slideshow of = fractals running=20 with colour cycling in it?
   (Batch = program?)
 
2. Can someone send me a fractint.cfg = file that=20 allows 640x480 SVGA resolution with 256 colours?
 
Please send answers to my private = email: karl@kiwi.gen.nz.
 
Thanks for any help,
Karl Scherer
11 Utting Str, = Auckland, New=20 Zealand
karl@kiwi.gen.nz
Seen my=20 homepage lately?
http://karl.kiwi.gen.nz
 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07A32.B5801F00-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi there! Date: 09 Jan 2001 00:33:11 +0100 At 11:45 08/01/01 +0100, you wrote: >I'm happy to be joining all of you fractal admirers. >I just recently got interested in fractals, and find Fractint an amazing=20 >program. > >P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without=20 >reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures. Salut Edward,=20 faudrait les br=FBler sur CD.. Ciao, Guy > >Happy new Millenium, >Edward Barton, >writing from Geneva, Switzerland >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) can someone please send me latest Fractint Digests Date: 08 Jan 2001 17:39:29 -0600 Karl asked: > Hi, > since I have been away and not part of the mailing list for a while, I missed > all Fractint Digest from 8 July 2000. > Could someone please send me a copy of those up to now? You can access the artchibes via the web: http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/ Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Karl Scherer" Subject: (fractint) SVGA 640x480x256? / slideshow with color cycling Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:48:09 +1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C07A3A.6BABFFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 since I have been away and not part of the mailing list for a while, I = missed all Fractint Digest from 8 July 2000. Could someone please tell me a from where I can download copies of = those?=20 I am especially intrerested in answers to two problem which (as far as I = remember) I sent to the=20 Fractint list and never found an answer to: 1. How can I get a slideshow of fractals running with colour cycling in = it? (Batch program?) (Urgent) 2. Can someone please give me a fractint.cfg file that allows 640x480 = SVGA resolution with 256 colours? (Urgent) Thank you very much for any help!! Karl Scherer 11 Utting Str, Auckland, New Zealand karl@kiwi.gen.nz Seen my homepage lately? http://karl.kiwi.gen.nz ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C07A3A.6BABFFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
since I have been away and not part of = the mailing=20 list for a while, I missed
all Fractint Digest from 8 July = 2000.
 
Could someone please tell me a from = where I can=20 download copies of those? 
 
I am especially intrerested in answers = to two=20 problem which (as far as I remember) I sent to the
Fractint list and never found = an answer=20 to:
 
1. How can I get a slideshow of = fractals running=20 with colour cycling in it?
   (Batch program?) = (Urgent)
 
2. Can someone please give me a = fractint.cfg=20 file that allows 640x480 SVGA resolution with 256 colours?
   (Urgent)
 
Thank you very much for any help!!
Karl Scherer
11 Utting Str, = Auckland, New=20 Zealand
karl@kiwi.gen.nz
Seen my=20 homepage lately?
http://karl.kiwi.gen.nz
 ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C07A3A.6BABFFE0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi there! Date: 08 Jan 2001 17:48:52 -0600 Edward wrote: > P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without > reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures. GIF files are compressed, so a doublespaced drive will probably not hold more Fractint GIF images than a non-doublespaced drive. The solution is probably to install a new hard drive - a ridiculous amount of space can be had for $100 or so, at least in the U.S. (I realize that even $100 can be an issue for someone depending on circumstances.) I suggest any followups to this be taken to email so we don't start an off topic thread. Or I could start a new list called "fractint_off_topic" :-) Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) can someone please send me latest Fractint Digests Date: 08 Jan 2001 17:54:03 -0600 > You can access the artchibes via the web: Over forty years ago my mother told me I should take a typing class. Since I didn't do that, but maybe a proofreading class would suffice :-) I think I meant archives, but I confess "artchibes" sounds more interesting ... Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 09-01-01 (FMOD Midget [7]) Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:33:37 EST Classic FOTD -- January 09, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I have pigeonholed the Mindspring connection problem for a while to devote my energies to the world of fractals, which is far less frustrating and far more fun. Today I investigated another 'evaporated' fractal, this time with a midget made visible by the fmod inside fill. The warhorse MandelbrotMix4 formula iterated the expression 4Z^(0.5)+0.04Z^(-3)+(1/C) to create a routine fractal featuring a routine Mandelbrot set. The routine nature of the fractal vanished when I raised the bailout radius to 1,000,000,000, which caused the entire fractal to evaporate, as all points became trapped. (The bailout has a great effect on formulae that contain negative powers of Z.) However, trapped points still do different things in their trapped condition, and Fractint's different inside fill routines can reveal interesting features, even when an image created with the normal flat equal-iteration bands and inside=0 will give nothing but a blank screen. To reveal the hidden detail in today's scene, I used the fmod inside fill, with the proximity set to 1.5. The result is an image with a totally unexpected series of sharp ridges, which reminds me somewhat of the pattern left in the sand by gently flowing water. Unable to find a better name, I named the image "FMOD Midget", and rated it a slightly liberal 7. With a render time of 15 minutes, the parameter file is a little slow. But in 16 hours relief will be available on the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and well before then on the following web sites: The fractal weather today was totally miserable as a combination of cold rain and snow fell all day. The wetness and temperature of 33F (0.5C) kept the fractal cats pinned to their favorite radiators most of the day. While working with today's fractal, I began wondering whether fractals are real or are created by fractal explorers in the act of fractal exploration. The question has been discussed before on the philofractal list, but it's at least a sign that my long slumbering philosophical muse may be reawakening. If I can tear myself away from the connection problem long enough, I actually might be posting some worthwhile philosophy in a few days. For the moment, there's nothing to do but shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. Until next time, take care, and fractals are as real or unreal as one makes them, but as to whether they exist before being discovered, any opinion is as good as any other. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FMOD_Midget { ; time=0:14:46.50 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.37795423333273510/+0.00011502762181923\ /1.141389e+009/1/47.499 params=100/0.5/1/-3/-0.96/10\ 00000000 float=y maxiter=4800 inside=fmod proximity=1.5 logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000OzzNzzNzzLzzLzzJzzJzzIzzIxzIvzGvzGuzEuzEsz\ DszDqzBqzBpzBpz9nz9nz8lz8lz6kz6kz4iz4gz4gz2fz2fz1dz1\ dz0bz0bz0`z0`z0_z0_z0Yz0Yz0Xz0Xz0Vz0Xz0Vz<2>0Vz0Vz0T\ z0Tz0Tz<2>2Tz2Sz4Sz6Sz6Sz8Sz9Qz9QzBQzDQzDQzEQzGOzGOz\ IOzIOzJOzLNzLNzNNzONzONzQNzRLzRLzTLzVLzVLzXJzYJzYJz_\ JzaJzaJzbIzdIzdIzfIzfIzgGziGziGzkGzlGzlGznEzpEzpEzqE\ zsEzsCztCzwCzwCzxCzzCz<3>zBzzBzzAzzAzzBzzCwwCtsEqnGp\ kGlfIkbJgYJfVLbQNaLNYIOXDQT9QR4SO1TN0TJ0VI0XE0_B0XD0\ VD0TE0SE0QG0OG0NI0JH0IH0GG0DH0AG08H06G05G05F<2>05H05\ H05J05J05L05L06N<2>07O08R08S09V09X1AY1A`2Aa4Ad4Ae6Ag\ 6Ag8Ai8Ai9AkBAlBAlDAnDAnEApGApGAqIAqIAsJAsLAtLAwNAwN\ AxOAxQAzQAzRAzRAzTAzQAzTAz<3>_AzaAzbAzfAz<3>lBznBzpC\ zsCztLwtJxtIztEzwEzxGzzGzzIzzJtzLpzNk<2>zNXzNXzNYzNY\ zN_zN_zLazJazIbzGbzEdzLizSnxYssdxnkzkqzfxzazzXzzRzzR\ zzQzzQzzOzzOzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi there! Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:52:13 +1300 Guy Marson said: > At 11:45 08/01/01 +0100, you wrote: > > > >P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without > >reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures. > > Salut Edward, > > faudrait les brûler sur CD.. > > > Ciao, > > Guy > Store (at least the faster) images as PARs - you won't get much better compression than that! Morgan L. Owens "Down to his last two gig on his second drive." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:42:56 -0600 On Monday 08 January 2001 10:39, Paul N. Lee wrote: > And even when I create it by hand, it is still faster than the late= st > site which is developing scripting to publish the image. But when = Scott > gets the "bugs" out, then you can go to that site and complain that= it > doesn't appear instantaneously. > My biggest bug right now is that the script depends on the FOTD arriv= ing=20 in my inbox the night before. When Jim is having technical problems, = and=20 isn't able to post his FOTD until the actual day in the subject headi= ng,=20 then my script doesn't pick it up. And I couldn't leave the script ru= nning=20 today while I was at work, because it would have picked up tomorrow's= =20 fractal OK, but then it would have inserted it into the HTML page wit= h=20 today's date. (Or something like that.) 8-) Besides, Bogey, it would'= ve=20 taken *at least* an hour to create today's fractal on my machine also= !=20 Until later, Scott Boyd --=20 sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ Linux...=20 "Find out what you've been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT."=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Infoworld=20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: caren Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi there! Date: 08 Jan 2001 19:14:51 -0800 (PST) --0-1503558914-979010091=:91481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you might consider creating the images, then burning them to CD... CD writers are coming down in price, and CDs themselves make quite economical long-term storage... burn two copies and keep one in a safe-deposit... packrat@nznet.gen.nz wrote: Guy Marson said: > At 11:45 08/01/01 +0100, you wrote: > > > >P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without > >reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures. > > Salut Edward, > > faudrait les brûler sur CD.. > > > Ciao, > > Guy > Store (at least the faster) images as PARs - you won't get much better compression than that! Morgan L. Owens "Down to his last two gig on his second drive." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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you might consider creating the images, then burning them to CD...  CD writers are coming down in price, and CDs themselves make quite economical long-term storage...  burn two copies and keep one in a safe-deposit... 

  packrat@nznet.gen.nz wrote:

Guy Marson said:

> At 11:45 08/01/01 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >P.S. Does anyone know a way to doublespace a FAT32 harddrive without
> >reformating it? I'm running out of space for the pictures.
>
> Salut Edward,
>
> faudrait les brûler sur CD..
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> Guy
>
Store (at least the faster) images as PARs - you won't get much better
compression than that!

Morgan L. Owens
"Down to his last two gig on his second drive."



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And they even work when you're in the thick of the thin= gs,=20 trying to get stubborn software to talk with deaf-and-dumb hardware! Later Jim! --Scott --=20 sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ Linux...=20 "Find out what you've been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT."=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Infoworld=20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:40:14 +1300 wight said: > I generated Mandelbrot figures many years ago using a program called Fractal > Magic on my second PC, a 286. I can remember starting a computation before > I went to bed and letting it run all night and all the next day. Now, using > WinFract on a 450 MHrtz Pentium II machine, the longest I've had to wait is > about 10 minutes for the deepest zooms the program will do (w/o the deep > zoom routines). Most computations are complete in less than a minute. > You might like to consider getting the DOS version of Fractint. Strange, I know, but it's much more recent and much much more powerful. > Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for > the FractInt program? > Instructions on editing existing colour maps can be found in the Fractint documentation (unless that's something else Winfract lacks - I've never used it). Creating a colour map from scratch is straightforward. It's a text file of up to 256 lines, each line containing three numbers beween 0 and 256 (look at the sample .map files in a text editor). The first row represents the first colour in the map (or, rather, the 0th colour - the background) while the second, third... etc. lines give the subsequent colours. Each line has as I said three numbers between 0 and 256. These respectively indicate the strengths of the red, green and blue components of that colour, ranging from none at all (0) to as much as possible (256). So black is "0 0 0", white is "256 256 256" and pure red is "256 0 0". Morgan L. Owens "Now, doing it _creatively_ - that I can't teach you :)" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:41:04 +1300 wight said: > I generated Mandelbrot figures many years ago using a program called Fractal > Magic on my second PC, a 286. I can remember starting a computation before > I went to bed and letting it run all night and all the next day. Now, using > WinFract on a 450 MHrtz Pentium II machine, the longest I've had to wait is > about 10 minutes for the deepest zooms the program will do (w/o the deep > zoom routines). Most computations are complete in less than a minute. > You might want to consider getting the canonical DOS version of Fractint. Strange, I know, but it's much more recent and much much more powerful. > Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for > the FractInt program? > Instructions on editing existing colour maps can be found in the Fractint documentation (unless that's something else Winfract lacks - I've never used it). Creating a colour map from scratch is straightforward. It's a text file of up to 256 lines, each line containing three numbers beween 0 and 255 (look at the sample .map files in a text editor). The first row represents the first colour in the map (or, rather, the 0th colour - the background) while the second, third... etc. lines give the subsequent colours. Each line has as I said three numbers between 0 and 255. These respectively indicate the strengths of the red, green and blue components of that colour, ranging from none at all (0) to as much as possible (255). So black is "0 0 0", white is "255 255 255" and pure red is "255 0 0". Morgan L. Owens "Now, doing it _creatively_ - that I can't teach you :)" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Khemyst@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 09 Jan 2001 00:18:38 EST --part1_b2.f9565e0.278bf92e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to make color maps- this program may help automate the process. at "Google.com" a search for Fractint mapmakers provides 94 hits. Mapmaker - Jack Orman A program that is intended for use in generated color maps for Fractint, however, it supports a variety of formats including Paint Shop PAL and Adobe ACT. It can convert palettes between different formats and extracts palettes from GIF, PCX or BMP images. Mapmaker can also generate random color maps and palettes using a variety of algorithms. Free for non-commercial use only. Windows 95/98/NT Freeware 53 KB 4/10/2000 download: spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/jorman/jorman.html In a message dated 01/08/2001 10:14:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, wight@odc.net writes: > Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for > the FractInt program? > > --part1_b2.f9565e0.278bf92e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to make color maps- this program may help automate the process.   
 at "Google.com" a search for Fractint mapmakers provides  94 hits.


Mapmaker -
Jack Orman
A program that is intended for use in generated color maps for Fractint,
however, it supports a variety of formats including Paint Shop PAL and Adobe
ACT. It can convert palettes between different formats and extracts palettes
from GIF, PCX or BMP images. Mapmaker can also generate random color maps and
palettes using a variety of algorithms. Free for non-commercial use only.

Windows 95/98/NT Freeware 53 KB 4/10/2000
download:
spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/jorman/jorman.html


In a message dated 01/08/2001 10:14:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wight@odc.net writes:



Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for
the FractInt program?








--part1_b2.f9565e0.278bf92e_boundary-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) Date: 08 Jan 2001 23:56:44 -0600 Bill wight wrote: > > Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to > create a color map for the FractInt program? > An older easy to use program by Ron E. Barnett called "MakeMAP" is probably what you are looking for: http://www.hiddendimension.com/futils.html Then there are the other ones: http://www.fzint.org/fractals/ http://members.tripod.com/softwork/fms/ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943/c.htm Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:35:03 -1000 Well, I'm still waiting for the DDTB (Direct Dump to Brain) user interface they've been promising me as an incentive for getting a brain ... ;-) On 8 Jan 01 at 21:17, Scott D. Boyd wrote: > On Monday 08 January 2001 16:15, you wrote: > > > > The problem is that it's impossible for the FOTD to appear on anyone's > > web site before I write and post it. If anyone knows a way around this > > impossibility, I would be grateful for the information. > > > What? You mean you don't have one of those new-fangled > HP Cereberal Scanners that scans your noggin' for > fractal formulas before you even come up with them? And > they even work when you're in the thick of the things, > trying to get stubborn software to talk with > deaf-and-dumb hardware! Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: (fractint) Color maps Date: 09 Jan 2001 07:39:38 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C07A0F.51F85060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, The document which comes with Fractint tells a lot. If you go to the directory where the fractint.exe file is, and type "fractint makedoc", you will get lots of info. You may be aware of this. Regards, Diana -----Original Message----- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of wight Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:12 AM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from a real newbie (is that the word?) << Bill, I am delighted to see that there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal. It is an incredibly fascinating object! Thanks, Diana >> Incredibly fascinating certainly describes the Mandelbrot Set. I wish I were a mathematician so I could understand how the plots are generated. I know that they are plots on the complex plane but I just cannot fathom how all those shapes are created by such a simple formula--it seems like magic. I generated Mandelbrot figures many years ago using a program called Fractal Magic on my second PC, a 286. I can remember starting a computation before I went to bed and letting it run all night and all the next day. Now, using WinFract on a 450 MHrtz Pentium II machine, the longest I've had to wait is about 10 minutes for the deepest zooms the program will do (w/o the deep zoom routines). Most computations are complete in less than a minute. Can someone point me to a resource that tells how to create a color map for the FractInt program? Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C07A0F.51F85060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
The document = which comes=20 with Fractint tells a lot.  If you go to the directory where the=20 fractint.exe file is, and type "fractint makedoc", you will get lots of=20 info.
 
You may be = aware of=20 this.
 
Regards,
 
Diana
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 wight
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:12 = AM
To:=20 fractint@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: (fractint) Hi from = a real=20 newbie (is that the word?)

 << Bill,
 
I am = delighted to see=20 that there is a map for the Mandelbrot fractal.  It is an = incredibly=20 fascinating object!
 
Thanks,
 
Diana >>
 
Incredibly fascinating = certainly=20 describes the Mandelbrot Set.  I wish I were a mathematician so I = could=20 understand how the plots are generated.  I know that they are = plots on=20 the complex plane but I just cannot fathom how all those shapes are = created by=20 such a simple formula--it seems like = magic.
 
I generated Mandelbrot = figures many=20 years ago using a program called Fractal Magic on my second PC, a = 286.  I=20 can remember starting a computation before I went to bed and letting = it run=20 all night and all the next day.  Now, using WinFract on a 450 = MHrtz=20 Pentium II machine, the longest I've had to wait is about 10 minutes = for the=20 deepest zooms the program will do (w/o the deep zoom routines).  = Most=20 computations are complete in less than a=20 minute.
 
Can someone point me to a = resource that=20 tells how to create a color map for the FractInt=20 program?
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C07A0F.51F85060-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:29:17 -0500 >And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been >explained to you so many times?? [Rest of blather deleted unread] I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the following morning, when it bloody well normally is there! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:29:17 -0500 >And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been >explained to you so many times?? [Rest of blather deleted unread] I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the following morning, when it bloody well normally is there! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:57:44 -0500 At 09:35 PM 1/8/2001 -1000, you wrote: Would anyone (David and Scott) mind if I did a bit of snipping/editing and added these to my file of "sigs'"? As in:=20 "I'm still waiting for the DDTB (Direct Dump to=20 Brain) user interface they've been promising me as an=20 incentive for getting a brain ... " - David Jones And: "You mean you don't have one of those new-fangled HP Cereberal Scanners that scans your noggin' for ideas before you even come up with them? And they even work when you're in the thick of the things, trying to get stubborn software to talk with deaf-and-dumb hardware!" - Scott D. Boyd These are two absolute gems! :) David S. davides@pipeline.com http://www.mbfractals.com/usergal/davides.html http://home.pipeline.com/~davides ^ ^ 0=BF0 _ New Windows Message: "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aero Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 02:32:49 +0000 In message , JimMuth@aol.com writes >Multiple Bogeys wrote: > >>...there's a problem with the fotd web site again. It's eight in the morning >>and it still doesn't seem to be there. > >The problem is that it's impossible for the FOTD to appear on anyone's web >site before I write and post it. If anyone knows a way around this >impossibility, I would be grateful for the information. > Jim, its about time you got your act together (after all everyone else manages to post new a fractal parameter almost every single day...!) why don't you clone yourself and send the other Jim to work so that you can keep up with your fractal obligations. And PLEASE, get yourself a TARDIS so you can go back and email fully generated fractals (1600x1200 minimum please!) to us *before* we request them. Regards, Aero ;) PS. Sarcasm mode off: Respect due inFINitE ART, Huddersfield,UK www.rherrero.demon.co.uk Phone: 00 44 (0) 1484 303737 Love & Respect, Richard Herrero _.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:58:08 EST On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 at 02:32:49 Aero wrote: >Its about time you got your act together (after all everyone else >manages to post new a fractal parameter almost every single day...!) >why don't you clone yourself and send the other Jim to work so that you >can keep up with your fractal obligations. >And PLEASE, get yourself a TARDIS so you can go back and email fully >generated fractals (1600x1200 minimum please!) to us *before* we request >them. >Regards, >Aero ;) >PS. Sarcasm mode off: Respect due (Sarcasm mode back on ;-) ) I have a much better and simpler idea -- instead of searching for a tardis, (they are notoriously hard to find), why don't I start charging a subscription fee of about 10 U.S. dollars per month for the privilege of receiving the daily FOTD. That way, I would not be distracted by the inconvenience of having to run a business to keep myself alive, and would be able to devote at least 18 hours per day to finding fractals and writing about them. I might even become rich and famous. But since there will be no subscription fee, I will continue posting the FOTD's for free as early and often as possible. (Sarcasm mode off) Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ton Koppens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 10 Jan 2001 00:11:01 +0100 But Jim, Famous you are and what is richness compared to that? Regards Ton -----Original Message----- > >On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 at 02:32:49 Aero wrote: > >>Its about time you got your act together (after all everyone else >>manages to post new a fractal parameter almost every single day...!) > >>why don't you clone yourself and send the other Jim to work so that you >>can keep up with your fractal obligations. > >>And PLEASE, get yourself a TARDIS so you can go back and email fully >>generated fractals (1600x1200 minimum please!) to us *before* we request >>them. > >>Regards, > >>Aero ;) > >>PS. Sarcasm mode off: Respect due > >(Sarcasm mode back on ;-) ) > >I have a much better and simpler idea -- instead of searching for a tardis, >(they are notoriously hard to find), why don't I start charging a >subscription >fee of about 10 U.S. dollars per month for the privilege of receiving the >daily FOTD. That way, I would not be distracted by the inconvenience of >having to run a business to keep myself alive, and would be able to devote >at least 18 hours per day to finding fractals and writing about them. I >might >even become rich and famous. > >But since there will be no subscription fee, I will continue posting the >FOTD's for free as early and often as possible. > >(Sarcasm mode off) > >Jim M. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathy Roth Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:34:37 -0800 Going to regular work- what a waste of talent that could be applied to fractal exploration. How about finding a rich benefactor like they did in Michelangelo's day or applying for an NEA grant and smearing yourself in chocolate? Kathy > I have a much better and simpler idea -- instead of searching for a tardis, > (they are notoriously hard to find), why don't I start charging a > subscription > fee of about 10 U.S. dollars per month for the privilege of receiving the > daily FOTD. That way, I would not be distracted by the inconvenience of > having to run a business to keep myself alive, and would be able to devote > at least 18 hours per day to finding fractals and writing about them. I > might > even become rich and famous. > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: caren Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:31:32 -0800 (PST) --0-1852605464-979090292=:99899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sometimes, life really sucks... this must be one of those times, but to be honest, it's not something that the world will come crashing down around, even if it continues to occur... it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does... i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff... life is too short, and has far too many other SUCK things occurring that MEAN something... Multiple Bogeys wrote: >And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been >explained to you so many times?? [Rest of blather deleted unread] I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the following morning, when it bloody well normally is there! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! --0-1852605464-979090292=:99899 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

sometimes, life really sucks...  this must be one of those times, but to be honest, it's not something that the world will come crashing down around, even if it continues to occur...  it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does...  i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff...  life is too short, and has far too many other SUCK things occurring that MEAN something...

  Multiple Bogeys <neo_1061@hotmail.com> wrote:

>And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been
>explained to you so many times??

[Rest of blather deleted unread]

I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just
means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is
updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the
following morning, when it bloody well normally is there!
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Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! --0-1852605464-979090292=:99899-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 10-01-01 (Midget with 16 Petals [5]) Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:01:27 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 10, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal was found entirely by accident. When I entered today's parameters into the faithful M-Mix4 formula, I expected nothing. What I found was a fractal worthy of being declared FOTD. Those unlikely parameters define the expression -1.3Z^(0.9)-1.3Z^(-0.9)+(1/C), and any fractalist worth their iterations knows that Z^(0.9)+(1/C) gives nothing resembling an interesting image, and the string of blobs created by Z^(-0.9)+(1/C) is little better. But when the two are combined, multiplied by -1.3, and the critical point calculated, a near miracle happens -- a real fractal appears. The parent fractal is a curious 3-lobed distortion of the M-set. Today's scene lies on the north shore of the north lobe. I named the image "Midget with 16 Petals" for the same reason that Brahms named his long-delayed first symphony "Symphony in C minor, No. 1". The name is a pure description. And no, I'm not trying to compare myself to Brahms. After much deep thought, I rated today's effort an average 5, though I feel that the parent fractal has far better images in it. I may check the eastern fringes of the parent fractal for midgets tomorrow. As for viewing the image, the most direct way is to start the parameter file and tend to something else while it's rendering. A second way is to wait 16 hours and go to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals where the GIF file will be posted at that time. Another way to see the image is to visit Paul Lee's web site at: or Scott Boyd's site at: though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully operational. The fractal weather today featured icy roads and cold winds. Of course, the temperature of 28F (-2C) was far too cold for the cats, who passed the day sprawled before the warmest radiator. The always-promised but rarely-delivered philosophy is once again missing. My intentions are good; my accomplishment is not. But I'll try once again tomorrow, and if I fail to deliver enlightening philosophy, I will at least deliver an interesting fractal. Until then, take care, and fractals are here to stay. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MidgetWith16Petals { ; time=0:11:08.22 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.06646788176226491/+0.17212735246396270\ /3.801586e+009/1/67.5 params=1/0.9/1/-0.9/-2.3/0 float=y maxiter=1600 inside=0 logmap=200 periodicity=9 colors=00080R80Q80O90JB0GD0BE08G02G00I00J00L10N20N40\ XRIOTDIT9BV44V10X00X0xR_sTYnVYiXXdXX_YXV_VQ_VLaVGbTB\ dT6dT1fR0gR0cR1bO9YNITJQOIXJEdEDl99t48z04z02z04z46z9\ 6zE8wI9tN9qRBpXDn_D_QINGN86R00V00T00T00T00_9DfJTkViq\ fzxpzznxzlzzlxzkxzkwziwziuzluz<2>qnzskztgzxbzz_zzXzz\ RzzOzzLzzIz<2>zDzzBzz9xx8ww6sw4qt2ns1l<2>n0dl0bl0an0\ _p0_q0_s0Yt0Yt0Yq0_<2>iE_fJ_dOaaTaYYaXbaTgaRkaRibRgd\ RgfQffQfgQdiQbkQbkQalOanO_pOYpOYqTXiOXszzYzz_zz_zzaz\ zaxzbwzbtzbtxdsxdqwfptfnsglqgkqgipiiniglkflkdkkbilag\ l_fnYfnYdpXbpVapTaqR_qQYsOXsz00<4>z00z01z02z04z06z06\ z08z19x2Bw2Dw4Dt4Et6Gs6Iq8Jq8Jp9Ln9NnBOlBOkDQkERiGTg\ IVgJXfLYdN_dOabQbbRdaTf_Vg_XiYYkX_lXanVbpXdqYfs_gtai\ wbixdkzfkzglzilzknzlnznpzppzqqzsqztszwszxtzztzzwzzwz\ zxzzxzzzz<22>zzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 10-01-01 (Midget with 16 Petals [5]) Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:08:12 -0600 On Tuesday 09 January 2001 20:01, Jim Muth wrote: > or Scott Boyd's site at: > > > > though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully > operational. > It's operational, just not fully automated yet. But I already have= =20 tomorrow's fractal and discussion posted! Scott --=20 sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ Linux...=20 "Find out what you've been missing while you've been rebooting Windows NT."=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Infoworld=20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 10-01-01 (Midget with 16 Petals [5]) Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:57:37 -0600 Scott D. Boyd wrote: > > Jim Muth wrote: > > > or Scott Boyd's site at: > > > > though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully > > operational. > > > It's operational, just not fully automated yet. But I > already have tomorrow's fractal and discussion posted! > Definitely coming along!! This time it beat me by about 30 minutes. Good going!! :-) Now if we can both make sure that we get the daily fractal posted in time for the Almighty "Bogey" (which of course has to be done before Jim sends it out), then all will be well in the fractal world. ;-} Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 09 Jan 2001 21:38:20 -1000 I don't mind at all - thanks for the compliment! David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 9 Jan 01 at 16:57, davides wrote: > Would anyone (David and Scott) mind if I did a bit of > snipping/editing and added these to my file of "sigs'"? > > As in: > "I'm still waiting for the DDTB (Direct Dump to > Brain) user interface they've been promising me as an > incentive for getting a brain ... " - David Jones Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 10 Jan 2001 06:58:31 -0500 At 09:38 PM 1/9/2001 -1000, you wrote: >I don't mind at all - thanks for the compliment! > >David >gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thank you. And as I mentioned, suitable attribution remains a part of it. :) David S. davides@pipeline.com http://www.mbfractals.com/usergal/davides.html http://home.pipeline.com/~davides ^ ^ 0=BF0 _ New Windows Message: "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kennan C Herrick Subject: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 10 Jan 2001 10:49:12 -0800 Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @ better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64 PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip set (whatever that is!)? Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I don't want the colors so much as enhanced pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files. I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc. Thanks- Ken Herrick kcha1@juno.com New to the list... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 10 Jan 2001 14:49:42 -0600 caren wrote... > it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does... > i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff... An observation: Long ago, I worked in a concert theatre in Vegas. It always tweaked me that those that complained the most about their seats were the ones that had gotten free tickets from one of the casinos. -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: (fractint) Loading color maps Date: 10 Jan 2001 06:10:27 -0800 Paul, I really appreciate your getting back to me. I am using the 20.0 DOS version. The video mode I select is F4. My display adapter is Rage Lt Pro AGP 2X (English), and my monitor driver is a Compaq Presario FP500 Flat Panel Monitor. The monitor is a NEC MultiSync 4FG. If I use the F3 video option, my DOS session freezes up after I look at a fractal. When I try to load a color map, I see a display of the same color as the map wants to be, splatted all over. When I press the escape key once, the area covered by the "E" color selection box is formatted correctly. Then I press to call up the video settings, and re-specify F4. Then the color map loads up correctly. Thanks for your help, Diana -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:48 PM Diana L. Dubel wrote: > > I just figured out how to get my Fractint program > to display the parabolic lace image of this week. > I am so excited! Your effort means a lot. > I am glad you are starting to have some fun with the program. :-) Sorry I have not replied sooner, but once the new week starts I stay very busy until Friday afternoon (when I can finally relax doing fractals). > > I am having trouble loading color map files. > When I do this my monitor displays graphic junk, > in the colors of the map. If after loading the > map file, I hit the key once, and specify > F4 again, I then see the map in the right format. What version of FractInt did you download and are using ?? What graphics card do you have installed in your PC ?? What Video Mode are you using within FractInt ?? Does this happen with any MAP file ?? > > I have an older monitor which still has the best > color I have seen on a monitor, and I don't want > to get rid of it for this reason. It is NEC > Multisync 4FG. Any ideas? I do not believe that it is a monitor problem, so do not worry about that. More than likely it is some setting that is causing these strange occurances. But I will need more information, and then I may ask for even more after you answer the above questions. ;-} Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go ------- End of forwarded message ------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 11-01-01 (Subliminal Fractal [5]) Date: 11 Jan 2001 00:34:32 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 11, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: A number of years ago it was pointed out that subliminal dirty words and pictures were being embedded by advertisers in their advertisements for the purpose of hypnotically forcing unknowing consumers against their wills to buy the advertisers' products. Having worked in the advertising field, I can state that subliminal techniques were used, and still are being used, though not to the degree that the critics claim. I mention subliminal advertising because today's picture is filled with subliminal images. Like faces in the clouds, the images are everywhere, lying half seen amidst filaments, loops, and geometrical shapes of the most bizarre and chaotic kind. The one image that I can't avoid seeing every time I look at the picture is that of a leaping monkey. I leave it to the viewer to find the monkey. The formula behind the image is my Mystic2, which when the inside is set to the usual 0, draws only empty circles. But when the proper inside fill is used, the inside of the circles is filled with detail of the most unusual kind. Today's picture is a good example, being all bof61 inside fill. I named today's image "Subliminal Fractal" and rated it a 5. The 3-1/2 minutes to render the image from the parameter file will be time well spent. If impatience strikes, the image can be downloaded from Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and from the WWW at: and: The fractal weather today was pleasant, with a temperature of 43F (6C) that brought out the kitten in the fractal cats. A new Kung-Fu job however kept me so busy that I barely had time to think of philosophy much less write any. But I'll try again tomorrow. Until then, take care, and once a fractal, always a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Subliminal_Fractal { ; time=0:03:36.80 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=jim.frm formulaname=Mystic2 function=abs passes=1 center-mag=-0.00200128/-0.980335/59.46906 params=2.6/0.7/-3/-2/-1.5/-1.7 float=y maxiter=100 bailout=25 inside=bof61 logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000_JJ<3>`LNaLOaMP<2>bNSCZu<3>SbvVcvZdv<3>mhv\ <8>XIWVFTTCQ<3>M1E<5>B6G97G87G<3>1AH<7>NbBQfBTiA<3>b\ w8<3>utVyt_osY<3>DoSYhhray<3>`VVXTNSSGOQ8KP1<3>I`ZIc\ gIfoIiw<8>VNRWLNYIJ<3>b95<3>QNb<4>aRccRdeSd<3>nUd<3>\ NeUGhR9kO2nM<7>GeCIdBKcA<3>Q_6<2>sXK<3>gffdhkajq_lv<\ 2>64I<8>5SQ5UR5XS<3>5fV<5>PVXTTYWRY<3>hJZ<3>Uo0<4>Pf\ QPeVOc_<3>LYs<4>HhlHkkGmj<3>Eue<3>qCdz1dr9e<3>NdgFlh\ 7thY`RwHA<3>lQs<9>oiLokIomE<3>pu1<3>WTQRLXMEbH7hC0n<\ 6>iBa } frm:Mystic2 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), c=real(p2), d=imag(p2), k=real(p3), f=imag(p3), g=pixel, z=(pixel)^a+(b*(pixel))^c: z=(fn1(z)+(d*(g)))^k+(f*(cos(g))) g=sqr(g), LastSqr <= 100 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 10 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -1000 IIRC, that's the chipset on a Diamond video adaptor we have around here (in use at the moment on a Linux box). Ran Fractint 19.x quite happily at resolutions up to 1024x768 or 1280x1024 (I forget which). But I wasn't running it under W95, I run it under OS/2. In W95, it would happily freeze the system as Windows and Fractint fought over who controlled the video. You might try this. Shutdown W95 to a DOS prompt, then change to your Fractint directory and try running Fractint that way. If it works fine, then it's a conflict with Windows. If it still doesn't run your desired resolution, there's a chance your video adapter doesn't support VESA video modes (many accelerated, Windows-optimized ones don't). IIRC, there's a utility available that can check for those modes, and tell you what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... You might also check to see if there are more recent Windows video drivers for that adapter - maybe they fixed whatever is keeping Fractint from working. On 10 Jan 01 at 10:49, Kennan C Herrick wrote: > Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @ > better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64 > PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip > set (whatever that is!)? > > Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my > preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I > can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full > screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I > don't want the colors so much as enhanced > pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files. > > I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone > has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but... Date: 10 Jan 2001 21:28:31 -1000 On 10 Jan 01 at 6:58, davides wrote: > New Windows Message: > "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)" As an OS/2 and Linux user, I can appreciate that one! ;-) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 11-01-01 (Subliminal Fractal [5]) Date: 11 Jan 2001 07:47:27 -0500 Jim, > The one image that I can't avoid seeing every time I look at the > picture is that of a leaping monkey. One? I see dozens of them. Oh, you mean in the FOTD! Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:11:13 EST <> This links to the page on Sylvie Gallet's site wherein she makes available the utility vesacfg which can be used to discover which modes your system uses so that you may then customize your set-up for best effect. Cheers! ~renrad http://www.fractalus.com/sylv ie/linke.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:14:30 EST <> This links to the page on Sylvie Gallet's site wherein she makes available the utility ves2acfg which can be used to discover which modes your system uses so that you may then customize your set-up for best effect. Cheers! ~renrad http://www.fractalus.com/sylv ie/linke.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" Subject: (fractint) Philosopy Date: 11 Jan 2001 22:34:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07C1E.B5754B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can I kick-start Jim into philosophy? It's not the parameters or formula that doesn't exist it's the map file. Try these three, a few seconds each to generate and=20 the only difference is the colours: filigre1 { ; Philosopy 1 Gold filigree reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255 = colors=3D040zzz<30>BBB999777<2>222000000<38>000000000000000<86>uu0vv0ww0<= 2\ >yy0zz0zy0<24>zC0zA0z80<3>z00<39>of0og0oh0<3>mm0906703 } filigre2 { ; Philosopy 2 Hummm! reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255 = colors=3D000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z= 0\ = 0e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz\= = 0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0z\= = zzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00\= = z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL000\= = 0<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zz\= = LzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e0\= = 0L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2\= >z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0 } filigre3 { ; Philosopy 3 Urgh! reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255 = colors=3D0w3w000z0w000z0w000y1w100y1w100x2w200x2w200w3w300w3w300v4w400v4w= 4\ = 00u5w500u5w500t6w600t6w600s7w700s7w700r8w800r8w800q9w900q9w900pAwA00pAwA\= = 00oBwB00oBwB00nCwC00nCwC00mDwD00mDwD00lEwE00lEwE00kFwF00kFwF00jGwG00jGwG\= = 00iHwH00iHwH00hIwI00hIwI00gJwJ00gJwJ00fKwK00fKwK00eLxL00eLxL00dMxM00dMxM\= = 00cNxN00cNxN00bOxO00bOxO00aPxP00aPxP00`QxQ00`QxQ00_RxR00_RxR00ZSxS00ZSxS\= = 00YTxT00YTxT00XUxU00XUxU00WVxV00WVxV00VWxW00VWxW00UXxX00UXxX00TYxY00TYxY\= = 00SZxZ00SZxZ00R_x_00R_x_00Q`x`00Q`x`00Paxa00Paxa00Obxb00Obxb00Ncxc00Ncxc\= = 00Mdxd00Mdxd00Leye00Leye00Kfyf00Kfyf00Jgyg00Jgyg00Ihyh00Ihyh00Hiyi00Hiyi\= = 00Gjyj00Gjyj00Fkyk00Fkyk00Elyl00Elyl00Dmym00Dmym00Cnyn00Cnyn00Boyo00Boyo\= = 00Apyp00Apyp009qyq009qyq008ryr008ryr007sys007sys006tyt006tyt005uyu005uyu\= 004vyv004vyv003wyw003wyw002xyx002xyx001yyy001yzz004vyv0 } Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07C1E.B5754B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can I kick-start Jim into=20 philosophy?
 
It's not the parameters or formula = that doesn't=20 exist
it's the map file.
 
Try these three, a few seconds each to = generate=20 and
the only difference is the = colours:
 
 
filigre1           = { ; Philosopy 1       Gold = filigree
 =20 reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel
 =20 center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945
 = =20 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255
 =20 colors=3D040zzz<30>BBB999777<2>222000000<38>00000000000= 0000<86>uu0vv0ww0<2\
 =20 >yy0zz0zy0<24>zC0zA0z80<3>z00<39>of0og0oh0<3>m= m0906703
 =20 }
 
filigre2           = { ; Philosopy 2      Hummm!
  = reset=3D2000=20 type=3Dmandel
 =20 center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945
 = =20 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255
 =20 colors=3D000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<= 2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z0\
 =20 0e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000= <2>00z<2>0zzzzezz\
 =20 0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00= L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0z\
 =20 zzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>= z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00\
 =20 z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzze= zz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL000\
 =20 0<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<= ;2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zz\
 =20 LzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>= 00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e0\
 =20 0L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<= ;2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2\
 =20 >z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzL= zL0
 =20 }
 
filigre3           = { ; Philosopy 3      Urgh!
  = reset=3D2000=20 type=3Dmandel
 =20 center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945
 = =20 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1000 symmetry=3Dxaxis = cyclerange=3D0/255
 =20 colors=3D0w3w000z0w000z0w000y1w100y1w100x2w200x2w200w3w300w3w300v4w400v4w= 4\
 =20 00u5w500u5w500t6w600t6w600s7w700s7w700r8w800r8w800q9w900q9w900pAwA00pAwA\=
 =20 00oBwB00oBwB00nCwC00nCwC00mDwD00mDwD00lEwE00lEwE00kFwF00kFwF00jGwG00jGwG\=
 =20 00iHwH00iHwH00hIwI00hIwI00gJwJ00gJwJ00fKwK00fKwK00eLxL00eLxL00dMxM00dMxM\=
 =20 00cNxN00cNxN00bOxO00bOxO00aPxP00aPxP00`QxQ00`QxQ00_RxR00_RxR00ZSxS00ZSxS\=
 =20 00YTxT00YTxT00XUxU00XUxU00WVxV00WVxV00VWxW00VWxW00UXxX00UXxX00TYxY00TYxY\=
 =20 00SZxZ00SZxZ00R_x_00R_x_00Q`x`00Q`x`00Paxa00Paxa00Obxb00Obxb00Ncxc00Ncxc\=
 =20 00Mdxd00Mdxd00Leye00Leye00Kfyf00Kfyf00Jgyg00Jgyg00Ihyh00Ihyh00Hiyi00Hiyi\=
 =20 00Gjyj00Gjyj00Fkyk00Fkyk00Elyl00Elyl00Dmym00Dmym00Cnyn00Cnyn00Boyo00Boyo\=
 =20 00Apyp00Apyp009qyq009qyq008ryr008ryr007sys007sys006tyt006tyt005uyu005uyu\=
 =20 004vyv004vyv003wyw003wyw002xyx002xyx001yyy001yzz004vyv0
 =20 }
 
Chris
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07C1E.B5754B00-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kennan C Herrick Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:44:15 -0800 Hi David- Thanks kindly for your response. A few comments that might be of interest... On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -1000 "David Jones" writes: > IIRC, that's the chipset on a Diamond video adaptor we > have around here (in use at the moment on a Linux box). > Ran Fractint 19.x quite happily at resolutions up to > 1024x768 or 1280x1024 (I forget which). But I wasn't > running it under W95, I run it under OS/2. In W95, it > would happily freeze the system as Windows and Fractint > fought over who controlled the video. > > You might try this. Shutdown W95 to a DOS prompt, then > change to your Fractint directory and try running > Fractint that way. If it works fine, then it's a > conflict with Windows. It does work fine. But when, in Fractint, I use & then select the several higher-resolution video modes, I find, as you no doubt are aware, that the images come up smaller on the screen. I then have to go to & set the several window options to get a full-screen image in, say, 800x600 mode. It puzzles me as to why anyone would want a smaller image than full-screen. Another interesting thing: Although I am back under Windows now, for doing this email, I seem to recall that, once I had established Fractint in, say, 800x600 full-screen, I could load a .gif image that I had previously saved when in the 648x480 screen under Windows, show it on that enhanced-resolution full screen, and then save it again (with a new filename). Then, back under Windows and re-loading Fractint, I could display that newly-saved image; necessarily, of course, in only the 640x480 mode. But then I found (or think I found; I must check again) that the increased quantity of pixels, brought about by having saved it from the 800x600 screen, were there when I zoomed in. So that appears to be a way for me to realize the greater resolution that I want--but what a pain in the butt it is! For your info, the reason I want the higher resolution is so that I can take the .gif file, convert it to .tif, and then import that into my CAD program as a "template" for drawing a vector-format figure. That, in turn, I can subsequently export, in .dxf format, for the purpose of fabricating a physical object in the form of the fractal. Such a roundabout way to do that but I don't know any better. I used to have a raster:vector conversion utility, and used it occasionally, but found that it made pretty much of a hash of the very-complex fractals. Turned out better, although tedious, to replicate them visually using the CAD program. If it still doesn't run your > desired resolution, there's a chance your video adapter > doesn't support VESA video modes (many accelerated, > Windows-optimized ones don't). IIRC, there's a utility > available that can check for those modes, and tell you > what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... > > You might also check to see if there are more recent > Windows video drivers for that adapter - maybe they fixed > whatever is keeping Fractint from working. I checked their website and no additional/later drivers are available. The S3 board seems to support VESA since Fractint's VESA modes display all right when under DOS only. Do you suppose other people, using other boards perhaps, have no problem with running Fractint under Win 95 and in the several enhanced video modes? From my experience, I shouldn't think so. > > On 10 Jan 01 at 10:49, Kennan C Herrick wrote: > > > Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @ > > better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64 > > PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip > > set (whatever that is!)? > > > > Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my > > preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I > > can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full > > screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I > > don't want the colors so much as enhanced > > pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files. > > > > I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone > > has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc. Thanks again for your help... Ken Herrick kcha1@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Philosopy Date: 12 Jan 2001 14:56:16 +1300 Chris Curnow said: > Can I kick-start Jim into philosophy? > > It's not the parameters or formula that doesn't exist > it's the map file. > > Try these three, a few seconds each to generate and > the only difference is the colours: > > You forgot my patented near-infrared colour maps - designed for people who want to see leaping monkeys no-one else can without having to resort to drugs. Morgan L. Owens "I wouldn't complain if they didn't keep stealing my ultraviolet bananas." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 12-01-01 (The Budding Midget [6]) Date: 11 Jan 2001 23:06:23 EST Classic FOTD -- January 12, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: To create today's fractal, I entered all 1's and 3's into the M-Mix4 formula and let her rip. Oh, I may have entered a single '2' into real(p3) as the multiplication factor, but nobody's perfect. The resulting fractal is a distorted Mandeloid with a loop attached. This loop has sub-loops attached at regular intervals, with tiny holes where the loops join. To find today's image, I chose one of these holes, which is in the shape of a Mandelbrot midget, and dove into the debris cluttering its East Valley. The East-Valley nature of the scene of today's image is quite apparent, as is the theme of smaller loops attached to larger loops. The smaller loops appear to be budding and breaking off from the main feature, the effect which inspired the name "The Budding Midget". After studying and re-studying the picture, I decided it rates a marginal 6, mostly because I like the purple colors that fill it. The parameter file renders in under 12 minutes at a resolution of 640x480x256 on a Pentium 200 machine. In a little over 12 hours, the GIF image file will be posted to Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals It should be available far sooner on the WWW at: and at: The fractal weather today was unusually pleasant. The sunny skies and temperature of 56F (13C) had the fractal cats on the porch from late morning until after 3pm, where they took turns stretching in the sunlight and washing each other's faces. Unfortunately, because of a major work rush, which requires two jobs to be finished at the same time, I was prevented from engaging in my intended philosophical pondering today. But the time is growing close when the philosophy will no longer be able to be contained. And that day might come before the week- end passes. So stay in touch with the FOTD, and never forget that patience is rewarded. Until next time, take care. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Budding_Midget { ; time=0:11:54.19 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+5.608365346018756/+0.652676256536578/187\ 481.4/1/80 params=1.333/-13.33/13.33/-1.333/-1.2/0 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=223 periodicity=9 colors=000f7Ji7Lg7Og7Qf7Td7Vd7Yc7`c7ca7d<3>_7o<3>f7p\ g7pjAplBpmDroErpGrsJr<2>xNryPszSs<4>zZsz_vzaxzcyzdzz\ fzzfz<3>zkzzmzzmz<2>zqzzszzszzpz<4>zhzzfzzdz<2>z_zzZ\ zzWwzVt<4>zne<2>zzXzzUzvRzqOzmKzjHzf7za7zX6zV6zQ4zM4\ zH3zE3zH7zJCxKGuNLrPPoQSlUXiY`dadaei_ilXmpTqqQurOysL\ zs0zm0zh0xc0wZ0qU1pP3fK4jF6_09c0AS0CX0DN0FQ0GK0IF0JI\ 0IM0GM3GT9FTDF_IDaODgSCjYCnaAqfAvl9yp9zv7zz7zzAzzDyv\ GtrJpmMkjPffSaa<3>c`Lf`Gi`D``PT``U`lU`xUez<3>UyzUzzS\ zzQzzPzoOzaOzQIzO<3>0zC0zACzGQyMdsSskYzdczZizglznozn\ pznsznvznxzpzzqzznzzhzsfzmVzfKz_NlLGT9M70Qg0d`6hj6nz\ Amz7jzChz9gz7fz9hzAjzCmzDnzDpzFszGtzIwzJyyJzx<2>OzsP\ zrPzpoBorHjsMguSdvWax__yfXzjTznQxmOukMrnJoqIltGiwDdz\ Caz9_z7Xz6Tz3Qz1Oz0Qz1Sz1Tz1Xz1<2>`z1Yz4Xz7Vz9SzCQzD\ PzGOzILzLJzMIzPGzQ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 11 Jan 2001 20:26:50 -1000 On 11 Jan 01 at 14:44, Kennan C Herrick wrote: > Hi David- > > Thanks kindly for your response. A few comments that > might be of interest... > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -1000 "David Jones" > writes: > > IIRC, that's the chipset on a Diamond video adaptor we > > have around here (in use at the moment on a Linux box). > > Ran Fractint 19.x quite happily at resolutions up to > > 1024x768 or 1280x1024 (I forget which). But I wasn't > > running it under W95, I run it under OS/2. In W95, it > > would happily freeze the system as Windows and Fractint > > fought over who controlled the video. > > > > You might try this. Shutdown W95 to a DOS prompt, then > > change to your Fractint directory and try running > > Fractint that way. If it works fine, then it's a > > conflict with Windows. > > It does work fine. But when, in Fractint, I use > & then select the several higher-resolution > video modes, I find, as you no doubt are aware, that the > images come up smaller on the screen. Mine never came up smaller on screen, except for some PARs that set it to weird view modes for their own reasons. > I then have to go to & set the several window > options to get a full-screen image in, say, 800x600 > mode. It puzzles me as to why anyone would want a > smaller image than full-screen. IIRC, according to the Fractint docs, it's there to speed up rendering. Basically, Fractint dates back to the days of very slow computers - perhaps even the famous IBM XT. Rendering even a 320x200 fractal could take quite awhile! Having the view option set to a "postage stamp" (that's how I think of it) image let even slow machines render something relatively fast. Useful for quick exploration. Once you found an area that you wanted to explore in greater detail, you could switch the view back to normal, pick your desired resolution, and let it crank until it was done. > Another interesting thing: Although I am back under > Windows now, for doing this email, I seem to recall > that, once I had established Fractint in, say, 800x600 > full-screen, I could load a .gif image that I had > previously saved when in the 648x480 screen under > Windows, show it on that enhanced-resolution full > screen, and then save it again (with a new filename). > Then, back under Windows and re-loading Fractint, I > could display that newly-saved image; necessarily, of > course, in only the 640x480 mode. But then I found (or > think I found; I must check again) that the increased > quantity of pixels, brought about by having saved it > from the 800x600 screen, were there when I zoomed in. Actually, when you zoom in on a fractal in Fractint, the fractal is recalculated at the higher magnification, revealing more detail than was in the original in the first place. > So that appears to be a way for me to realize the > greater resolution that I want--but what a pain in the > butt it is! You can also render an image using one of the disk video modes. Don't know about Fractint v20 (haven't done anything that big in it) but I've rendered fractals out to 2048x2048 using a disk video mode. Fractint displays a text message while rendering, and when it's done. Then you just press the usual S key to save the generated (but invisible) image as a GIF. It will probably be saved in your Fractint directory, where you can open and work with it using your preferred graphics converter. > For your info, the reason I want the higher resolution > is so that I can take the .gif file, convert it to .tif, > and then import that into my CAD program as a "template" > for drawing a vector-format figure. That, in turn, I > can subsequently export, in .dxf format, for the purpose > of fabricating a physical object in the form of the > fractal. Actually, I think it's the best way to accomplish what you want! > Such a roundabout way to do that but I don't know any > better. I used to have a raster:vector conversion > utility, and used it occasionally, but found that it > made pretty much of a hash of the very-complex > fractals. Turned out better, although tedious, to > replicate them visually using the CAD program. Yes, I discovered that, too. Wanted to vector trace some scanned photos - had a trace program that claimed it could do it. Ended up with nothing useful. I had better luck importing the photo and tracing over it in CorelDraw. Depending on your CAD program, you might investigate writing a fractal generator using it's macro/programming language (doesn't AutoCAD still use AutoLisp?). If you implemented something like Fractint's boundary tracing method, you could have the fractal already generated as a vector curve for each color boundary. Of course, you could end up generating a *really enormous file* that way! ;-) > If it still doesn't run your > > desired resolution, there's a chance your video adapter > > doesn't support VESA video modes (many accelerated, > > Windows-optimized ones don't). IIRC, there's a utility > > available that can check for those modes, and tell you > > what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... > > > > You might also check to see if there are more recent > > Windows video drivers for that adapter - maybe they fixed > > whatever is keeping Fractint from working. > > I checked their website and no additional/later drivers > are available. The S3 board seems to support VESA since > Fractint's VESA modes display all right when under DOS > only. Do you suppose other people, using other boards > perhaps, have no problem with running Fractint under Win > 95 and in the several enhanced video modes? From my > experience, I shouldn't think so. Other boards may work fine under W95. My old ET4000 SVGA adaptor would do 1024x768 without any problems, but it's a dumb SVGA board (no Windows acceleration). On a lark, I installed Fractint on my office PC, an IBM PC750 with an S3-based integrated display adaptor. I discovered by accident that Fractint would do 1600x1200 on it with the old IBM P50 monitor attached to it ... (Found some lunch time entertainment!) Fractint won't display anything better than 640x480 on my current display adaptor, an Elsa GLoria Synergy. The Elsa doesn't support any other VESA modes according to the vesacfg program. :-( Maybe I'll have better luck on the 3dfx Voodoo3 card on my new PC. > > On 10 Jan 01 at 10:49, Kennan C Herrick wrote: > > > > > Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @ > > > better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64 > > > PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip > > > set (whatever that is!)? > > > > > > Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my > > > preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I > > > can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full > > > screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I > > > don't want the colors so much as enhanced > > > pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files. > > > > > > I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone > > > has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc. > > Thanks again for your help... You're welcome, for what little it's been so far ... ;-) David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 13-01-01 (Challenging Midget [8]) Date: 12 Jan 2001 20:58:12 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 13, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: A few days ago I received an e-mail from a fractal fan, asking me to tell more about fractals. Since I had no idea of where 'more' started, I didn't know quite what to tell. But once I sat at my keyboard this morning to reply to the e-mail, the philosophical muses came to life, and the words flowed almost of their own accord. The following four paragraphs are a slight revision of the letter I sent earlier today. Perhaps the philosophy is once again ready to arise. My interest in fractals is mathematical, artistic, and philosoph- ical. Mathematically, fractals are simply graphs of iterated mathematical functions. Artistically, fractals offer a means of expressing one's artistic aspirations, though I consider the importance of this aspect to be somewhat exaggerated. My main interest lies in the philosophical aspect of fractals. Perhaps the question most often asked about fractals is, "what are they?" In addition, I often wonder, "are fractals real?" The answer can only be, "fractals are the things numbers do, and numbers are pure abstractions". The Mandelbrot set does not exist in the sense that a tree does. No one will ever find a 'real' Mandelbrot set; they will find only pictures of it. The M-set exists only because human beings evolved with the sense of vision, and to better understand the workings of math functions, find it helpful to turn the functions into pictures. In essence, the Mandelbrot set exists only because we created it with our minds and sustain it with our computers. Much is also made of the fractal nature of the real world. We hear about the fractal nature of trees, ferns, clouds, coast- lines, etc. These things do indeed have a fractal surface appearance, but they are not true fractals in the mathematical sense. A true mathematical fractal continues unchanged to infinity regardless of how much it is magnified. The 'real world' fractal objects such as trees and clouds ultimately break down into individual cells and water droplets, and finally into atoms, which no one shall ever observe directly. But according to quantum theory, atoms also are nothing more than convenient pictures, models created in human minds from mathematical functions. And I have heard it said that numbers themselves are creations of the human mind. So is the 'real world' the world's greatest fractal? The answer to this challenging question is what I am currently seeking. Another challenging question is why I named today's C-FOTD "Challenging Midget" I'm sure I had a good reason for such a provocative name, but the reason totally eludes me. Regardless, it's a fine fractal, which renders from the parameter file in under 3 minutes. The iterated expression, -5.5Z^(-0.5)-5.5Z^(0.5)+(1/C), as are so many of mine, is totally whimsical. The fractal it draws at first appears to be a total loss, but a close examination soon reveals tiny areas of promise. Today's midget lies in one of these promising areas. It's a lively little midget, centered as it is in its square of chaos, with gracefully curving arms radiating from the four corners before an electric violet background. The midget is so lively in fact that I rated the image a lofty 8, a level rarely reached on my conservative scale of fractal worth. Since the parameter file takes only 2 minutes to complete, running the file is most likely the fastest way to view the image. But for those who find running parameter files too much of a hassle, the GIF image will soon be posted to: and to: In 15 hours the image will also be posted to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals though by that time everyone who wants to see the image will most likely already have seen it. The Usenet postings will continue to be delayed by 12+ hours until I solve my technical difficulties, a task that I have no intention of tackling in the near future. The fractal weather today here at Fractal Central was once again comfortable, though not nearly as mild as yesterday. The partly sunny skies and temperature of 42F (5.5C) lured the fractal cats onto the porch and into the yard, but once in the yard they quickly decided it was a bit too chilly, and soon returned to their radiators. And this leaves me with nothing to do but shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. I'll watch a junky old movie if I can stay awake. Until tomorrow, take care, and beware of the fractal witch. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Challenging_Midget { ; time=0:02:42.96 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.05445382910798185/+0.01773957995824642\ /8.333333e+007/1/4.999 params=1/-0.5/1/0.5/-6.5/300 float=y maxiter=1300 inside=0 logmap=45 periodicity=9 colors=000bFz<2>cKz`FzYDzWCzT9wP8tO6oL3kJ1hG0eD0bC0Y\ <2>40O10L00I10L10M10O11P34R39T3CV3FW4JZ4M`4Rb4Vc6Ye6\ bf6eh6hj8mm8po8vp8yr<2>9zw9zyCzvFztIzpLwoOrkRojVjfWf\ e<3>hRWkMToJRrFOtCMw8Jz4Iz0Fz0Dz0Az09z08z09z0Az0Az0C\ z0Dz0Dz0Fz0Fz0Gz0Iz0Iz0Jy0Lw0Lv0Mv0Mt0Or0Pp0Pp0Ro0Tm\ 0Tk0Vk0V`0TR3RI9R9FP0LP0RO0YO0`L0bJ0eI0fG0jD0kC0oA0p\ 91t63v44y38z19z0Az0Dz0Fz0Gz0Iz0Iz0Jz0Jz0Lz0<2>Mz0Mz0\ Oz0Oz0Pz0Pz0Rz0Rz0Rz0Pz0Oz0Mz0Mz0Lz0Jz0Jz0Iz0Gz0Fz0F\ z0Dz0Cz0Cz0OzAZzYfzZpz`yzbzzbwzcmzcczcVze<2>3zf0zf0z\ f0zj0zk0zo3zp8ztCzvFzyJzzOzzRzzWzwZzoczffzZkzRozJtzC\ wz4zz0<3>zz0zz4<3>zzZzzfzzozzwzzzzzvyzorzhkzbezWZzO<\ 3>Az0Cz4Dz9DzDFzIFzMGzPGzVIzZIzcJzhJzkkz0oz0pz6rzAvz\ GwzMyzRzzYzzczzh`zz8zz<3>IzzLzzOzzPzzVzjYzPVzRRzTOzT\ LzVIzWFzWCzY9zZ6zZ3z`0zb<2>0zc0z`0zZ0zW0zV0zR`ztbzw } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 13 Jan 2001 13:58:04 -0800 Math and Fractal groupies, I am trying to understand the guts of computation of values in the Mandelbrot set, and am a little confused. I have seen printout's of the computer computation of values for the Mandelbrot set. For example; z(0) = c = pixel; z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c bailout = 4 etc. Does the computer pick a pixel point on the complex plain and square it, add c, [repeat many times], and determine if it is less than 4, for example? Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it would determine a limit as "l" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the modulus of z sub l, over 2^{l}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, z sub 0 = c. I have studied Chapter 14 in "Chaos and Fractals" in detail, but am not understanding some of the applications. Thanks, Diana ======================================== Diana L. Dubel :-) E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 13 Jan 2001 14:02:59 -0800 Note than in my message above, "l" is the letter L. So, the paragraph below--- > Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it would > determine a limit as "l" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the > modulus of z sub l, over 2^{l}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, z > sub 0 = c. might be written as--- > Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it would > determine a limit as "L" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the > modulus of z sub L, over 2^{L}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, z > sub 0 = c. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Diana L. Dubel Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:58 PM Math and Fractal groupies, I am trying to understand the guts of computation of values in the Mandelbrot set, and am a little confused. I have seen printout's of the computer computation of values for the Mandelbrot set. For example; z(0) = c = pixel; z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c bailout = 4 etc. Does the computer pick a pixel point on the complex plain and square it, add c, [repeat many times], and determine if it is less than 4, for example? Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it would determine a limit as "l" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the modulus of z sub l, over 2^{l}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, z sub 0 = c. I have studied Chapter 14 in "Chaos and Fractals" in detail, but am not understanding some of the applications. Thanks, Diana ======================================== Diana L. Dubel :-) E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Osher Doctorow" Subject: (fractint) Lapidus-Frankenhuysen Quantum Fractal Billiard Table Conjecture - Doctorow Date: 13 Jan 2001 15:42:13 -0800 M. L. Lapidus and M. van Frankenheusen (University of California Riverside - although most of their work was done in France and Vienna) in their volume Fractal Geometry and Number Theory, Birkhauser: Boston 2000 (and especially Lapidus' numerous papers on which it is based) give a conjecture of Lapidus that an analogue of the Gutzwiller Trace Formula of quantum chaos theory holds on some dynamical system associated with any self-similar fractal drum viewed, e.g., as a billiard table. A self-similar set in R^d is a union of N scaled copies of itself generated by similarity transformations with various scaling ratios. A fractal drum is a bounded open subset of R^n having a fractal boundary. Most of the book studies the simpler one-dimensional case of fractal strings and fractal sprays which are their higher dimensional analogues and develops a theory of complex dimensions that relate the geometry and spectrum of the fractal string. M. C. Gutzwiller of IBM is one of the quantum/classical chaos pioneers, and much of his work is summarized in the volume Chaos in Classical and Quantum Mechanics, Springer: Verlag, New York 1990. Logic-based probability (LBP) connects strongly with Lapidus and Frankenhuysen's work via the Riemann zeta function functional equation and the "kernel" of the series representation of the exponential function, but the conjecture is especially related to LBP because one of its main conclusions is that boundaries (including fractal boundaries) are generalized maximum entropy/maximum LBP optimal. These directions of research into fractals and chaos complement a second LBP direction of research into them via Brownian (fraction, fractal) bridges and Brownian motion and Brownian snakes/excursions etc., which relate to LBP via their close connection with the uniform empirical process and in turn the latter's relationship to uniformly distributed random variables. They are to be contrasted with research into fractals via composition, especially infinite composites of functions of form fofofo..., i.e., via iteration as with computer programs for the composite function. Composition/iteration gives us concrete geometrical pictures of fractals and chaos, which in my opinion needs to be complicated by the more abstract theory of the above two directions. Osher Doctorow Doctorow Consultants, Ventura College, West Los Angeles College, etc. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kennan C Herrick Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 13 Jan 2001 16:12:53 -0800 Thanks for the info! I downloaded ves2acfg & ran it but it appears to report no VESA capability: the screen just comes up blank; no info there. Curious...because under pure DOS, Fractint >works< in several of its "VESA" video modes. Ken Herrick On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:14:30 EST RENRAD1@aol.com writes: > < available that can check for those modes, and tell you > what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... >> > > This links to the page on Sylvie Gallet's site wherein she makes > available > the utility > ves2acfg which can be used to discover which modes your system uses > so that > you may then customize your set-up for best effect. > Cheers! > ~renrad > > HREF="http://www.fractalus.com/sylvie/linke.htm">http://www.fractalus.com /sylv > > ie/linke.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 13 Jan 2001 16:03:58 -1000 Maybe the W95 video driver isn't letting VESA2CFG do what it needs to do with the video card to determine the video modes. You might try booting to a DOS prompt and run VESA2CFG. Note down what it reports, then you might modify the appropriate Fractint video file to add those, and see if they work under W95. If they still don't, it sounds like the W95 driver doesn't support VESA modes for your adaptor. At that point, I don't know what you could do beside changing to a different display adaptor. Good luck! David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 13 Jan 01 at 16:12, Kennan C Herrick wrote: > Thanks for the info! I downloaded ves2acfg & ran it but > it appears to report no VESA capability: the screen just > comes up blank; no info there. > Curious...because under pure DOS, Fractint >works< in > several of its > "VESA" video modes. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 14-01-01 (Challenge Variation [6]) Date: 13 Jan 2001 22:04:09 EST Classic FOTD -- January 14, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's C-FOTD is a closer view of the midget at the center of yesterday's "Challenging" image. I named it "Challenge Variation" accordingly. Since too much of a good thing is not always as good as it seems, I rated today's image a 6, a two-point come-down from yesterday's image. In today's image the maxiter has been lowered to 500, a value barely enough to resolve the midget, and the color palette has been changed from a somber violet theme to a joyous celestial blue. The lacework effect in the elements surrounding the midget is an illusion created by the coloring. The 4-1/2 minute render time of the parameter file is far better than the 15-hour wait for the GIF image file to be posted to Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals However in an hour or so the image file will be available on the Web at the following two URL's: After a very frosty start, the fractal weather was ideal for cats most of the day, with bright sunshine and a temperature of 45F (7C), which lured the dynamic duo into the yard, where they passed the afternoon investigating whatever they found there to investigate. As for me, I've about had it for the day. It's 9:50pm of Saturday evening, and almost time to toss reason to the winds and watch the junkiest old sci-fi or horror movie I can find in my vast collection of junk. I won't know what it will be until the tape starts playing. Until tomorrow, when some fractosophy is likely to appear, take care, and keep your fractals handy. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ ChallengeVariation { ; time=0:04:30.84 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.054453829082191/+0.017739580012905/8.4\ 739e+008/1/-35 params=1/-0.5/1/0.5/-6.5/300 float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 logmap=65 periodicity=10 colors=0002es0csTXzzRziXuRagAeX0s_0za0zW0zP0zL1zR2uW\ 4la4de5Xk6Pr8Iw8Az5Dz2Gx1Ix0Lw0Ou0Pu0Ts0UszDzz9ur6eg\ 4TZ1FP02G00R80_J0iX1si4zx8zzAzzGzpMzeTwXZrOdnFkk6rd9\ kZAdUDZOFTIGMDJG8LA4M5FJ9PGD_DGlALx8Pz6TrJI_W8Ji04w0\ 0z00z06z0Fz0Oz2Xz6ezCnzGssMxlTzdZzZczUZzPWwLTsGPpDMr\ 9Pr5Rs1Ts0UZArFMzLTzPZrWdg_kXdpO2sRz9DwGAlO8cU5Ua4Lg\ 1Cp05w0Fu2Ou6XuAeuFpuJzuOzuTrsGar6Lp06n0Gc0PU2ZLAiAJ\ s2Tz0az0iz0lp5ndFpUPrL_sRepXklcpkiwgpzduzcUpL6a40O0R\ T0zX6idIIlU0ue5xgIziWzkizkkzXlzJnz8px0rw0gz0Zz0Pz4Gz\ A8zGi0cd0a_6_WDZRLXMTiI_sTWz<2>zIznOzcWzZczWczRczOcz\ LWzWOzdGzp9zz5zz5zz4zw2zr1zk8zeDz_JzWJzZTzaUzdWzgczk\ kzlszgizcazZWzWPzaUzgZzlczsgzxlzzizzgwzkpsnekr_<2>Oz\ IGzLMzJTzIZsIduGkwFrxFxzDzzCzzCzzDxzFrzGlzIezJazJczG\ czFdzDdzAez9ez8gz6gz4iz2iz1kz0<2>lz0iz0ez4cz8_zDXzIU\ zMRzTOzX<4>Azw8zx5zz4zzLzrCzs } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 14 Jan 2001 19:01:18 +1300 At 13:58 13/01/2001 -0800, Diana wrote: >Math and Fractal groupies, > >I am trying to understand the guts of computation of values in the >Mandelbrot set, and am a little confused. > >I have seen printout's of the computer computation of values for the >Mandelbrot set. > >For example; > >z(0) = c = pixel; >z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c >bailout = 4 >etc. > >Does the computer pick a pixel point on the complex plain and square it, add >c, [repeat many times], and determine if it is less than 4, for example? That's basically it. To be precise, I'll use a real example. Mandel (XAXIS) { c = z = pixel: z = sqr(z) + c |z| <= 4 } The first line here includes a note about the symmetry of the fractal. For each pixel (representing a certain point in the complex plane whose coordinates are stored in the variable "pixel") that Fractint bothers to calculate, it goes through the following process. 1) It does the initialisation calculations (the stuff up to the colon) _once_. Then it enters the loop. 2) Fractint then does the calculations in the loop (z = sqr(z)+c, here). 3) Fractint checks the test (|z|<=4) to see if it's still true. Note that in Fractint |z| is the _squared_ modulus - it's a lot cheaper to calculate than the modulus itself. So that test is actually checking to see if the magnitude of z is still no more than 2 (it is a fact of the Mandelbrot set that any trajectory that gets further from zero than this could not have originated from any point within the set). If the test fails, then the loop ends and Fractint has what it needs to specify a colour. If the test passes of course, then we go round again for another iteration (unless we get bored). Morgan L. Owens "Okay, it's not the most advanced programming language. But it's simple and fast and it works." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 14 Jan 2001 05:56:31 -0800 Thanks to David and Morgan for responding to my question. I had thought what you were saying was the case, but I was confused by the depth of the treatment in the "Chaos and Fractals" book. I sometimes wish that authors would get down to basics. I also looked up the definition in the CRC Standard Mathematics Tables and Formulae book. It says: "Alternately, the Mandelbrot set consists of all points c for which the discrete dynamical system, z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c with z(0) = 0 converges." Your responses, and this definition, I can understand. Thanks, Diana -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Morgan L. Owens Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:01 PM At 13:58 13/01/2001 -0800, Diana wrote: >Math and Fractal groupies, > >I am trying to understand the guts of computation of values in the >Mandelbrot set, and am a little confused. > >I have seen printout's of the computer computation of values for the >Mandelbrot set. > >For example; > >z(0) = c = pixel; >z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c >bailout = 4 >etc. > >Does the computer pick a pixel point on the complex plain and square it, add >c, [repeat many times], and determine if it is less than 4, for example? That's basically it. To be precise, I'll use a real example. Mandel (XAXIS) { c = z = pixel: z = sqr(z) + c |z| <= 4 } The first line here includes a note about the symmetry of the fractal. For each pixel (representing a certain point in the complex plane whose coordinates are stored in the variable "pixel") that Fractint bothers to calculate, it goes through the following process. 1) It does the initialisation calculations (the stuff up to the colon) _once_. Then it enters the loop. 2) Fractint then does the calculations in the loop (z = sqr(z)+c, here). 3) Fractint checks the test (|z|<=4) to see if it's still true. Note that in Fractint |z| is the _squared_ modulus - it's a lot cheaper to calculate than the modulus itself. So that test is actually checking to see if the magnitude of z is still no more than 2 (it is a fact of the Mandelbrot set that any trajectory that gets further from zero than this could not have originated from any point within the set). If the test fails, then the loop ends and Fractint has what it needs to specify a colour. If the test passes of course, then we go round again for another iteration (unless we get bored). Morgan L. Owens "Okay, it's not the most advanced programming language. But it's simple and fast and it works." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: RE: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:33:25 +1300 At 05:56 14/01/2001 -0800, Diana wrote: >Thanks to David and Morgan for responding to my question. > >I also looked up the definition in the CRC Standard Mathematics Tables and >Formulae book. It says: > >"Alternately, the Mandelbrot set consists of all points c for which the >discrete dynamical system, z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c with z(0) = 0 converges." Well, there you go - even the CRC isn't infallible! All you can say about the trajectory of a point within the set is that it remains bounded; it could converge, or it could be periodic (with any integer period), or it could indeed be chaotic (ie., with infinite period). Morgan L, Owens "1, -1, 1, -1, 1, -1, 1, -1, ..." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: (fractint) FOTDs Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:51:16 -0000 Just got back, read all my email. Just wanted to comment on the best FOTDs... Impossible Fractal: Very unusual and interesting! Four Flying Wings: Lovely colours. Very nice! FMOD Midget: Good-looking image. Kinda reminds me of certain WinAmp skins... Subliminal Fractal: Jim, you need to get out more often. The Budding Midget: I really like this one! Challengine Midget: Ever seen crystals under a polarized light microscope? Thanks Jim, good work! Andrew. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 15-01-01 (A Fractal Blast [7]) Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:05:11 EST Classic FOTD -- January 15, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's FOTD is late. My alibi: I got caught up in the football excitement as the Ravens won the championship. My restitution: a 7-rated above-average image, which for some vague reason I have named "A Fractal Blast". It's one of those all-inside images that takes advantage of the fmod inside fill, which appears as today's FOTD. The formula behind the image is number 6 in my series of 12 MandNewt formulae, which are variations of the ikenaga function, which remains kind of a mystery. At near 18 minutes, the parameter file is slow, but due to the lateness of this parameter posting, the GIF image file will be posted to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals in only 4 hours. The image will also be available soon on the following web sites: The fractal weather was partly sunny and 45 degrees F (7C). The fractal cats enjoyed the pleasant conditions. I had intended to philosophize today. Obviously, I did not. But there's no rush to get myself into trouble with my controversial opinions. I'll keep trying to make my insights public until I succeed. Until next time, take care, and be happy. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ A_Fractal_Blast { ; time=0:17:40.34 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=mandnewt.frm formulaname=MandNewt06 passes=1 center-mag=1.20469/1.63474/0.1947566/1/-2.5 params=-0.23/-0.63/0.28/-0.59/0.48/0.76 float=y maxiter=500 bailout=25 inside=fmod proximity=20 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=0 colors=0002AQmQtmQtmQtmQtmQrmPrmPrmPrkPqkPqiPrkOqkOq\ kNo<3>kLnkLnjLnjLnjLn<2>jJmjJmjIk<2>jIkjHkhJjhIjhGjh\ GjhFh<2>hFhhFhhDghDggDggDggCe<2>gCegCegAdgAdgAdgAdeD\ ceCceBceBce8ceBae7ae7ae7ae5`<2>d5`d5`d4Zd4Zd4Zd4Zd2Y\ <2>d2Ye1Zd2Yd4Yd5Yd7Wd8WdAWcCVcCVcDVcFTcGTcITaJSaLSa\ LSaMQaOQ<2>`QP`RP`TO`SO`VOZWMZYM`ZM<2>dcIifGkgFljDml\ Csk1tn2tk2rk2rm2rk2qk4qj4qj4oh4<2>ng5ng5ne5me5md5md5\ kc7kc7ka7ja7ja7j`7h`8hZ8hZ8gY8gY8gW8eWAeWAeVAdVAdTAd\ TAcSCcSCcQCaQC<2>`PD`ODZODZMDZMDYLFYLFYJFWJFWIFWIFVI\ GVGGVGGTFGTFGTDGSDISCISCIQCIQAIQAIP8JP8JP7IO7HO5GO5F\ M4GM4GM4GL2GL2GL1FJ1FJ0EJ0D<2>I0CI0CG0C<3>F0CF0CD0C\ <2>C0CC0CA0CA0C80C<3>70C70C50E50E50E50E<3>45F47F4AG2\ CH<3>2IM2JN1LO1MP1OQ1QS1SS0TSnVq<2>nVsnVsoWunVsnVsnV\ snVsnTr<3>nTrnSqlSqkSqkSq } frm:MandNewt06 {; Jim Muth z=c=(pixel*p1): a=z^3+(c-p2)*z-c b=p3*z^2+c-1 z=z-1*a/b .000000000000000000000000000001 <= |a| } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal Date: 15 Jan 2001 07:10:48 -0800 Dr. Freed, Thank you for your enthusiastic response. I appreciate it! I am currently studying "Chaos and Fractals" by Peitgen, and Mandelbrot's "Fractal Geometry of Nature". I am not sure that I have time to look into programming books, as I am starting Master's classes this month at San Jose State University in Mathematics. I have been reviewing Linear Algebra, and Real Analysis. It has been 25 years since I studied Math, and I am looking at fractals as one facet of the broad spectrum of the whole subject. Thanks again, Diana -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:32 AM One last comment: your questions (example attached) about the inner workings of the Fractint code, are excellent. They suggest that you would also benefit from some focussed reading about computer programming for fractals in general, about which several good books exist. Has anyone suggested them to you? My own experience was that it was almost impossible to understand the subtle inner workings of Fractint, UltraFract or any of the rest of them without first doing the equivalent of reading a chapter or two of a Comp Sci 100/200 textbook. What is your educational background? I could also suggest a few such chapters which are available on-line in ComSci courses at Stanford, MIT, Duke or Rice University. DeBow Freed "Diana L. Dubel" wrote: > Note than in my message above, "l" is the letter L. > > So, the paragraph below--- > > > Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it > would > > determine a limit as "l" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the > > modulus of z sub l, over 2^{l}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, > z > > sub 0 = c. > > might be written as--- > > > Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it > would > > determine a limit as "L" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the > > modulus of z sub L, over 2^{L}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, > z > > sub 0 = c. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Diana L. Dubel > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:58 PM > To: Fractint@Lists. Xmission. Com > Subject: (fractint) Question on the Mandelbrot Fractal > > Math and Fractal groupies, > > I am trying to understand the guts of computation of values in the > Mandelbrot set, and am a little confused. > > I have seen printout's of the computer computation of values for the > Mandelbrot set. > > For example; > > z(0) = c = pixel; > z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c > bailout = 4 > etc. > > Does the computer pick a pixel point on the complex plain and square it, add > c, [repeat many times], and determine if it is less than 4, for example? > > Or does it do a computation of the encirclement set? In that case it would > determine a limit as "l" approaches infinity of the log(base2) of the > modulus of z sub l, over 2^{l}, and check to see if this is less than 2^k, z > sub 0 = c. > > I have studied Chapter 14 in "Chaos and Fractals" in detail, but am not > understanding some of the applications. > > Thanks, > > Diana > ======================================== > Diana L. Dubel :-) > > E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:17:22 +0100 Have you tried UNIVBE? It fixed me a VESA problem (rubbish on screen) with another program. I could mail it if you want. It's about 45 kB. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kennan C Herrick Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:28:00 -0800 Hi- No, I haven't. Could you send it via email? I'd appreciate trying it. Thanks- Ken Herrick On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:17:22 +0100 "=?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" writes: > Have you tried UNIVBE? It fixed me a VESA problem (rubbish on screen) > with > another program. I could mail it if you want. It's about 45 kB. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 16-01-01 (Mandelbrot Specimen [7]) Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:03:13 EST Classic FOTD -- January 16, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: For some strange reason, today's fractal image reminds me of a specimen on a microscope slide, giving me more than enough reason to name the picture "Mandelbrot Specimen". The rating of 7 may be a bit liberal, but with its striking hazy blue atmosphere, the image is definitely at least a little above average. The iterated formula adds a tiny bit of Z^(-141.42) to a far larger portion of Z^(-1.4142) before adding (1/C). The resulting teardrop-shaped parent fractal at first appears to have x-axis symmetry. This apparent symmetry is an illusion. At greater depths, the positive and negative halves are entirely different. The most obvious critical area of the teardrop is at the blunt east end. But today's scene lies not in the most obvious main arm, but rather deep in a tiny hole in a minor lobe just north of the main arm. The sharper west end of the parent fractal also has interesting areas, which I have not yet touched and may never touch. After all, I've got an infinity of other infinite fractals to explore and not quite an eternity in which to explore them. The 1-1/2 minute render time of the parameter file is reasonable enough for today's relatively easy image. For those with more patience, the GIF image file will be posted in 16 hours to Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and in an hour or so to: and: The fractal weather today was cold, cloudy, foggy and drizzly. Combined with a temperature of 43F (6F), it kept the fractal cats indoors snug in their beds by the radiator. For now I see it's time to shutter-up the fractal shoppe and call it a night. Until next time, take care, and fractals make life wonderful. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MandelbrotSpecimen { ; time=0:01:23.77 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+2.413788574630565/+0.191409102126881/3.2\ 20006e+011/1/-87.501/0.001 params=100/-1.4142/1/-141\ .42/-0.98/300 float=y maxiter=272 inside=0 logmap=18 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000Cef<3>HTaIQ`05KKKZ05KMEXWVcirorzzzuwlgt<2>\ jHyj8zgAx<6>THjRIhOJf<2>IM`GN_FMY<6>BLPBLOALM<3>8LH8\ LQ7WS7YUD`W<2>ULa_KceLejMgiNi<3>fSteTweUz<2>cXz<3>N`\ zIazEbzAcz6dzXez<3>zhz<7>jhz<4>`hz<5>khzmhzohz<3>vhz\ <3>Ghz<5>UhzXhzZhz<3>ghz<3>0hz<6>HhzKhzMhz<3>Vhz<3>J\ hzHhzNhz<3>ghz<3>PhzLhzGhz<2>3hz<2>Khz<9>DhzChzBhz\ <3>9hz<7>ahzehzhhz<3>vhz<4>whzwhzwhz<3>whz<8>chzahzZ\ hz<3>Rhz<3>ehzhhzlhz<2>vhz<2>Fhz<3>`hzehzjhzFhzahzxh\ z<3>PhzHhzIhz<3>LhzMhzMhz<2>qhz<2>ihz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 17-01-01 (Fractal of Nowhere [5]) Date: 16 Jan 2001 21:52:33 EST Classic FOTD -- January 17, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image, as do so many of my recent fractal images, features a scene in a fractal created by a whimsical formula: -0.4(Z^2)-2(Z^(-2))+(1/C). This formula draws a Mandeloid so grossly distorted that the period-12 buds are larger than the period-2 bud, which is almost lost. Today's scene lies on the north shore of the main bay, between the period-12 and period-13 buds. After studying the image for a few minutes and finding no satisfactory name, I thought to myself that the naming process was going nowhere. I immediately had my name -- "Fractal of Nowhere". Despite, or perhaps because of all its green and purple, I could rate the picture no higher than a 5. With a render time of 3-3/4 minutes, running the parameter file is marginally the best way of enjoying, (or disparaging), the image. The least efficient way to view the image is to wait 15 hours and download the GIF image file from the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals A far better way to view the image is to go to Paul Lee's web site at: or Scott Boyd's web site at: and download the image from one of these sources. Today's partly sunny sky and mild temperature of 45F (7C) was ideal for fractal cats, but a brisk wind kept them skittish, limiting their outdoor adventure to a few minutes. They showed their frustration by getting into a spat, which left Thomas with a nicked ear and earned Tippy a claw trimming. All is now well however, since they made up and washed each other's faces soon after their spat. For now it's lights out and shut-down time in the old fractal shoppe. Until tomorrow, take care, and to lose weight, exercise with a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_of_Nowhere { ; time=0:0X:XX.XX -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+11.46191326673826000/+12.729870818548550\ 00/111.2787/1/162.499 params=0.2/2/1/-2/-3/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=52 periodicity=10 colors=000K09I0BL0CM0EN0H<3>U0NW0PY0R_0T`0W<3>f2ah3c\ j3ek3f<3>Z9XWBUSBSPCPLENKFKHHIEIFBIE8KB5L92N60P50P30\ R20U1<4>1e01h01j02n02p02s02u00q50pR0pR0qR0qP0sP0sP0s\ P0uP0uP0wP0wN0yN<3>0zN0zN0zL0zL0zI0zL<7>0zK0zK0zK0zK\ 0zI<3>0zI0zI0z00z00z00u00s00s00s00s00u00u00u00u00w00\ w00w00y0<3>0z20z20z20z30z30z30z5<3>0z60z60z60z8<3>0z\ 90z90zB<3>0zC0zC0zE<3>0zF0zF0zH<3>0zI0zL0zU0za0uj0ps\ 0jw0fw1fw1fw1fu1hu1hu0hu0hs0hs0js0js0jq0jq0lq<2>0lp0\ lp0nn0nn0nn0nn0pl0pl0pl0pl0pj0qj0qj0qh0qh0sh0sh0sf0s\ f0sf0uf0ue0ue0ue0we0wc0wc0wc0wc0ya<3>0z`0z`0z`0zZ0zZ\ 0zZ0zZ0zX<3>0zW0zW0zW0zU0zU0zU0zU0zS<3>0zR0zR0zR0zR0\ zP0zP0zP0zN0zN0zN0zN0zL<4>0zK0zK0zK0zI0zI0zI0zK<10>0\ zL } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) FOTD Mania Date: 18 Jan 2001 08:21:48 -0500 While waiting for today's FOTD, I went to Google and typed in "FOTD". Su= re = enough, Paul's Jim Muth FOTD popular website was right at the top of the = list. But other sites returned (in this order) included: Friends of Traditional Dance Fruit of the Day Friends of the Dragon Webring Font of the Day Fact of the Day Flung of the Day Friend(s) of the Devil Fear of the Dark Foo of the Day Flower of the Day Fruit of the Doom Flavor of the Day Fairie O'the Day Foto of the Day Fish of the Day Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 18-01-01 (Five Finger Minibrot [5]) Date: 18 Jan 2001 09:56:53 EST Classic FOTD -- January 18, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: An unexpected rush job, (Why are they always unexpected?), put the damper on my fractal efforts today. But I did find a chance to dredge up a passable midget. Unfortunately, I had no chance to write a proper discussion. The result of all this activity is that the FOTD is once again late. I don't enjoy the lateness, preferring to be prompt in my postings, but sometimes it just can't be avoided. Now as to that fractal. It's an average midget, which I have named "Five Finger Minibrot", and rated a 5. I gave the image its name when I thought I spotted fingers around the edge of the open area. The formula that created the image is quite arbitrary: 26Z^(-0.98765)-52Z^(-9.8765)+C. To find the formula, I put my fingers on automatic. (Perhaps that's why the fingers appeared in the image.) The render time is slow enough to make a download of the image worth the effort. That download may be found in 3 hours on Usenet, posted to the binary newsgroup: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals And as soon as possible on the Web at: and at: A non-eventful day in the weather aspect made the fractal cats far less restless than they were the day before, when they got into a fight. The partly sunny skies and temperature of 44F (6.5C) were ideal, with the light wind making conditions perfect for a full afternoon's outing in the yard. The dynamic duo carried their good mood into the evening, which helped me immensely in the rush. My planned philosophy fared less well however, but the rush design job will be out in a few hours, and I'll tackle that unfinished story. Until next time, take care, and when things get rushed, move faster. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FiveFingerMinibrot { ; time=0:13:14.16 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.12573544663073950/+8.93511041527769100\ /580021.1/1/70 params=1/-0.98765/-2/-9.8765/25/300 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=22 periodicity=9 colors=000Zb0Ve0Rg0Nk0Jm0Ho0Nk0zc0Xg0<2>ib0m`0sZ0zX0\ <4>zN0tL0z48z0Gz0LT00000000880JL6XXGgiNuuXzzdzPNzPLz\ PLzNJzNHzNHzLGzLEzLEzJCzJCzJAzH8zH8zH6zH6zs0mR0Z00X0\ 0V00T00R20R20P20N40L40L40J60H60G62G62CNA8dH4uP2zX0zb\ <3>0zq0zu0zx0zz<3>0zz0zz0zz0zz2vz8qzGkzLdzTZzZTzeNzk\ HzsCzx6zVEe0JH0P00N00N00L00L20J60J80HA4HC8GGCGHGEJJE\ LNPLT`LXmLbxLezLizLezNdzPbzR`zRZzTXzVVzVTzXPzZNz`Lz`\ JzbHzdGzdEzeCzg8zi6zi4zk2zm0zm0zo0zq0zq0zm0zk0ug0oe0\ gb0b`0XX0RV0JT0EP08N02J00H<2>00AA08J06R04`82iG0qN0zV\ 0z`0z`vzdxxezxgzvizvkzumzuozsqzqszquzovzoxzmzzmzzkzz\ izzizzgzzgzzezz<2>dzz<2>ozzszvvzozzgzz`zzTzxLzvGzqEx\ kCb6zRVzVRzXNz`JzbGzeCzg8zk4zo0zq0zu0zv0zz0z<4>z0z<2\ >z0z<4>zTzzZzzdz<3>zzz<2>zzzzzzzxzxuxuqvqmumiskeqgbo\ dZmbXkZTiVPgRLePHdLEbHA`E6ZC2X80V40T } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: (fractint) Dead Horse (was: various Copyright posts) Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:38:50 -0600 All- I hope you'll forgive this continuation after the horse is long dead (at least for a while), but Bob posed a couple questions I've been meaning to answer (but have been overwhelmed with a large project going out the door and had no time to address). And, because of that large project, I'm a bit brain-fried and don't feel like doing any useful work [grin]. And the list has been quiet lately, so..... Bob Margolis wrote: > I don't create fractal artwork as background designs for someone else's > "Wheaties box" so to speak. Would any of you enjoy seeing the Mona Lisa > after someone else covered it with text? Depends on how it was done. But I certainly might. I might also feel that it could introduce others who might not be familiar with the work to wonder what it was and possibly seek out the original. I don't agree that a great work is necessarily "cheapened" this way: I think greatness shines through. [SIDEBAR] Just a thought about Wheaties boxes... Andy Warhol opened our minds to the artists' work that is everywhere we look. On my desk is a box of Good Earth tea. It contains two drawings: one of a farm field scene with horse, plow and driver and another of some flowers and herbs. These small artworks are repeated, respectively, twice and thrice on various sides of the box. Someone made those drawings, someone designed the layout of the box. It strikes me that a Wheaties box with a fractal--even with text over it-- would be kind of cool. (And an honor for the lucky fractal artist.) More to the point, we should all be aware of the artwork that lives around us in great proffusion and appreciate the work of all these unsung artists. [/SIDEBAR] > I felt that what I labored to design became quite pedestrian when it > the background for Mr. Miller's CD. That is *one* way to see it. Another is to see it as an honor. Someone found it worthy of putting on their CD. You are absolutely entitled to control (or try to control) your work, and I support that absolutely. But consider this scenario: you generously allow Miller to use your art on his CDs. As a result, a number of people discover the world of fractals having never seen them before. As a result, someone who does know fractals, but has never seen your work, really likes the image, seeks you out and gives you a ton of money to make him/her/it an image. Unlikely? Maybe. But who knows. Since Miller's use wasn't for profit, and since you seem to have no intrinsic objection to the Dead, you had a chance to be generous and spread the word about fractals and yourself. You had, IMO, little to lose and possibly something to gain. > I have pride as an artist, and detest seeing my accomplishments > cheapened in such a manner. And that obviously lies at the heart of what's going on here. You have a perception that your work is threatened, and that upsets you. I'd just like you to be aware of another way to look at it that isn't threatening. From another post: > Therefore, he's not really displaying the artwork for its loveliness; > he's using it as background for his text, be it a quote from the Bible, > contents of a CD, or Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. The texts become the > important item, not the pictures. Disagree on two counts. First, he almost certainly *did* choose it for its loveliness or he wouldn't have chosen it. Second, speaking as someone who does combine backgrounds and text, the important thing is the BOTH OF THEM. > The pictures, then, become altered from their original states because > of the added text. Would that alteration be considered "fair use" of > the fractal-art pictures? No. Fair use applies to "quoting" material for reference or illustration. If I were writing an essay about fractals, I *might* be legally able to include a small version of your fractal so long as I cited its origin, but fair use applies to *pieces* of a work, so I might not legally be able to use the full image. That's a matter for lawyers. But fair use in no way applies to this situation. But what might apply is that copyright laws may not apply to use when no profit is involved (as appears to be the case here). There is no law against me putting your fractals on a CD I make and use myself. I can even legally make two and *give* one to a friend. > Should you fault me for having pride in what I design and becoming > protective of it when it is used in a manner which I had not intended > for it? To the former, absolutely not. To the latter, well, IMO, you *might* be over-reacting just a little. The thing is: > What right did Mr. Miller have to make that decision for me before > coming to me about it? That question still has not been answered with > satisfaction by anyone here who is opposed to my viewpoint. But he *did* exactly that. He created a stand-alone web page exactly so he could show you his intended use. It appears to be an uncontested fact that the web page had not been made public, and when you *did* object he did remove it. Also uncontested is that no profit was involved Again, I completely support your position vis-a-vis your work. My only point was that your reaction was--IMO--a little extreme and unnecessary. You added a little more negativity to the world (at Christmas, no less), and you could have chosen a different way to make your point. I just felt a strong urge to speak up about that. This got long, and I haven't even answered the post directed to me. So, to be continued.... ;-\ -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: (fractint) Dead Horse II (was: reality check) Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:47:42 -0600 Me again,... Bob Margolis wrote: >> Are you comparing Dead Heads to neo-Nazis or White Supremicists or KKKs? > > I never made such a comparison. [shrug] You brought them up in the context of this discussion. You asked how I'd feel about my work being used by such, so the implication seemed pretty clear. Understandable you'd want to deny that implication, and we'll consider it retracted. >> It was an *individual* who liked your art work and thought it was >> worth honoring by using... He may have been well-meaning but ignorant. > > And ignorance of the law is no excuse. Agreed. Again, my only real issue here was in how you *handled* this. I don't want to come off like this is a huge deal; it isn't. I've supported your right to manage your work as you see fit from the beginning. I just didn't like the manner you in which you managed Mr. Miller, and I'd like you to see a different way of looking at the situation (and reacting). Really, it's no big deal. We're just chattin'!! >> Yes, almost certainly. My world's big enough for people with opinions >> 180 degrees different from mine, and I don't feel the need to attempt >> to control or thwart them just because I don't agree with them. > > That's most liberal of you. :-) What would go through your mind then if > the public associates you with those groups holding opposing viewpoints > because you willingly allowed those groups to use your artwork in > support of their cause? To be honest, I don't worry all that much about the public. Depending on the situation, I might view it as an opportunity to make inroads into an area to express a different viewpoint. I might also find it hysterically funny that a group might favor *my* work over others when my views were so different from theirs. "If they only knew...." HA!!! But we're wandering pretty far afield here. Not all situations lend to exaggeration and extremes as metaphors. There's no danger, I think, the public will associate you with the Grateful Dead because some guy used your work on a free CD. >> I don't think that way, nor live my life that way. > > So, because you chose to be that way, do you believe that I should model > my life after yours? :-) Not at all. I *would* like you to consider reacting with grace and good will and gentleness should such a situation happen again. (I'm big on The Three Gs.) >>> Would you feel then that it is okay for them to use your artwork >>> without seeking permission from you? >> >> But that's not what happened, is it, Bob. He *sought* your permission, >> and, AIUI, removed your art after your reply. > > You didn't answer my question. Put aside the discussion concerning Mr. > Miller. The question is a general one. What say you is your answer then? I would obviously prefer it. I don't require it. (That is, *IF* I put the artwork on my web page. Under such a circumstance, I consider it unprotectable, so I would only post work in a form I wouldn't mind being used without my knowledge or consent.) >>> Is all artwork posted on the Internet supposed to be *free* for the >>> taking, no questions asked? >> >> Regardless of the legal issues, that's pretty much the way it works >> out. > > You didn't answer the question again. I asked if it was supposed to be > "free." Answer the question yes or no, please, without the song and > dance. :-) [grin] How about yes or no WITH the song and dance?... Rump-a-bum-bum: *supposed* to be free: ahdonno... (cha-cha-cha) But that's pretty much how it works out. In a perfect world, I'm supposed to be able to leave my wallet sitting on a restaurant table and have it be there when I realize it half an hour later and go back. In the real world, not so much. People aren't *supposed* to take what isn't theirs, but if I leave a thing lying in public view, I'm not surprised if someone *does* take it. (Thing is, I'm not big on "supposed to be's". I'm big on "is's".) > So we should be anarchists and not live in a nation with laws? Okay. Seriously. I am something of a political anarchist, and I would like to see a *lot* fewer laws and a *lot* more personal responsibility. But that's a whole 'nother topic. > It's to be a dog-eat-dog world with every person fending for himself > with no law whatsoever? Well, again--as with the neo-Nazis and White Supremicists--you're taking this to extremes. There's a lot of ground between copyrights and a dog- eat-dog world with NO laws. But, honestly, I'd be happy with going in that general direction, yes. > I would have no right to call a cop if a mugger held me up > at gunpoint on the street? That's just the way life is, and I should > deal with it? Yep. Of course, in my world you'd be armed and able to shoot back. And there's reason to believe that would lead to a lot less muggers. At least a lot less *living* ones... Oops, did I just open a can of worms???? ;-\ >>> Is it *toughies* for any artist who chooses to make a living by >>> selling artwork over the Internet, because people such as you believe >>> things in life should be *free* to them? >> >> Yes. ;-) > > At least your honest. :-) > >> Sorry, you deserved that reply, since you've mis-represented my >> position. For genuine answer, see previous paragraph. > > I was just asking a question in general without considering your > position. Your "yes" is what I expected to read. :-) Considering your outlook, I can see why you'd run with this ball. But, again, a *genuine* answer is this: First, as I keep saying, you have the right to (at least try to) control how your work is used. I want to be very clear on this, Bob. I fully support your desire to control your work. But. If an artist is going to use the internet to sell their work, then they'd better be internet-savy. If you're dumb enough to put something you expect to sell in plain view, then I don't have much sympathy when someone takes it. Post low-rez images. Put copyright text on them. Watermark them. Three simple solutions. There's plenty more. >> For all you know, there's a dozen people out there who *are* using >> your artwork. > > Yes, I'm sure there are. That doesn't make it any more legal. It's not clear to me Miller's use *is* illegal, since it was non-profit and personal. >> I *do* think people with attitudes like yours are *doomed* to go the >> way of .ARC files. And, perhaps, rightfully so. > > How am I *doomed*? How will I meet my demise holding the attitudes I do? Doomed .NE. Demise. By trying to retain too tight a control on your work, you may lose out to others who are more generous. There's a LOT of people creating fractals. This business is filled with examples. ARC/ZIP is a classic example. Another is the IBM-PC/Apple-Mac. IBM offered an open architecture; Apple offered a closed one. While the Mac is arguably better, the PC exploded because (at least in part) it was *accessible*. Another example that hits us close to home is the GIF. In attempting to control it, they lost it. There are Zen sayings about trying to control too much.... >> The digital age is changing many aspects of life we previously took >> for granted. It calls for a new mind set. > > And everthing on the Internet should be "free for the taking" according > to that "new mind set?" Everything on the internet **is** free for the taking **unless** you take savy steps to protect it. The internet *came* from a desire to *share* information and data. The *web* came from a desire to make information accessible (and free) to all interested parties. >>> Do you find copyright laws silly and an inconvenience to you? >>> If any of your rights would be violated, would that be okay with you? >> >> Sheeze, talk about mis-representing. Not worth answering. > > Not misrepresentation, Dude. Just wanting to get your viewpoint > regarding copyright law, that's all. No, you take my position to the extreme without trying to understand what I'm really saying. > Would you please answer the question? Then try asking it without ascribing insulting exaggerations to me. Do I find copyright laws silly and an inconvenience? No, and no. Duh. If any of my rights are violated, would that be okay with me? Any of them? Gee, what do you *think* my answer to that would be? Hello. Specifically, if I put a piece of my work on my website and some person took it and used it in some personal way (i.e. not an organization and not for profit) I have no problem with that. But then I don't view that as a rights violation. Okay, (more than) 'nuf sed. -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: (fractint) Fractal Reality (was FOTD 13-01-01) Date: 18 Jan 2001 18:00:35 -0600 In apology for beating a Dead Horse, I offer the following ON TOPIC thread. Obviously, this is all (as ever) I.M.O.... Jim Muth wrote: > I often wonder, "are fractals real?" The answer can only be, "fractals > are the things numbers do, and numbers are pure abstractions". The > Mandelbrot set does not exist in the sense that a tree does. Language is sometimes not good at making distinctions we'd like to make. The M-set is not *concrete* like a tree, but neither is it as abstract as, say, "justice" or "freedom". I will, to foment discussion, argue that numbers (and hence fractals) are as "real" as anything you care to name. I will also pose the idea that maybe (just maybe) reality is only as real as numbers. Numbers. Are they invented or discovered? An interesting question. You might distantly recall (or see your young child bring home) from school exercises where you have a page of pictures of tall, skinny things and the goal is to circle the ones that are trees. What is being taught is the process of classification and what is sometimes called "unity". That is, there is a generic, abstract "unit" with the label "Tree". And we learn as humans to determine what matches that unit. And what does not. My dog has--what are to me--*three* tennis balls. To her, they are not at all identical. They are distinct objects in her world. Each has features that distinquish it totally from the others. To her, every tree is a separate, distinct object with its own characteristics. If humans saw the world this way, shepherds would never know how many sheep they had. More importantly, they'd find it difficult to know when the wolves got one! (If you go to a gathering of 200 hundred people you know, how easy is it to determine if someone didn't show up?) When we count sheep or tennis balls we say, in effect, these are all the same sort of thing. Early number systems often mapped symbol directly to object. You all know the base 1 system: 1=1, 2=11, 3=111, 4=1111 and 5=1111-slash (you know, how prisoners and castaways mark the days). In this system, each mark maps directly to the object. The next step is to create new symbols that map to a set of distinct collections. The symbol "1" maps to the collection containing one thing. The symbol "2" maps to a collection of two. And so forth. The number of symbols and what they map to generates a numbering system. Positional notation (our numbers) takes this process another step by re-using symbols to generate larger numbers. Positional notation requires a special invention: the symbol for zero! Since this isn't an essay on positional notation, I'll leave it at that. I will mention an interesting system (from Fred Pohl's Heechee series) where the symbols are mapped to prime numbers and you enumerate by listing the required symbols (primes) to sum to the desired number. In this system, the *order* of symbols make no difference. On the flip side you need a lot of them to count very high! On the other other hand, you sometimes only need one symbol to enumerate a large (prime) number!! The point I want to make is that each step in this path starts with real objects and the need to enumerate them. We just find better and better ways of doing it. Does that make numbers real or abstract? I claim it makes them real. Next step, math operations: add, subtract, etc. If I have an orange, and you have an apple, and we put them both on the table, there are two fruits. We just "invented" addition. Or did we merely *discover* it. Did we just make a label for a real thing? I say we just discovered a natural operation. An interesting point: given the definition of "1" and "2" and the definition of "+", "1+1=2" no matter what country, planet or galaxy you inhabit. Indeed math will be the initial language of communication should alien life be discovered *because* it is so universal. Can we really call mathematics "abstract" given its universality? I claim not. Now here's dessert: You may be aware of the "Many Worlds" theories of quantum physics. The idea is that any event with more than one outcome generates new worlds for each possible outcome. Resulting in an infinite number of realities. Mind boggling, yes? How is something like that possible? Where does the energy come from to generate a whole new universe? Here's a question for you. What's the answer to "x * x = 4"? Obviously 2. Also -2. And various other equations will have larger sets of correct answers. What if, just what if, the "real" world was nothing more than mathematics and the splitting of world lines for multiple-outcome events was nothing more than having multiple answers for the same equation! Well, that's just crazy talk.... Isn't it? ;-| Returning from deep left field, the thing is that reality is not quite as real as we might like to think. The more you know about quantum physics, the weirder the world gets.... As Jim said: > No one will ever find a 'real' Mandelbrot set; they will find only > pictures of it. But no one will ever see an atom; they will find only images of it. Yet atoms are real. Aren't they? How about electricity? It's only *force*. But pretty real to those that've be struck by lightning! Perhaps it is our definition of "real" that needs work. I conclude that mathematics and fractals are AT LEAST as "real" as electricity and atoms. I'm just not quite sure how real *any* of them are... > The M-set exists only because human beings evolved with the sense of > vision, and to better understand the workings of math functions, > find it helpful to turn the functions into pictures. In essence, the > Mandelbrot set exists only because we created it with our minds and > sustain it with our computers. I submit that the M-set will be discovered by any intelligent race. The key word here is "discovered". Only real things can be discovered. The mathematic relationships that result in the Mandelbrot exist throughout the universe. We didn't *invent* them, we *stumbled* on them! > But according to quantum theory, atoms also are nothing more > than convenient pictures, models created in human minds from > mathematical functions. I would say that atoms are just our best *model* of the real thing. (And that model seems to be pretty accurate.) > And I have heard it said that numbers themselves are creations of the > human mind. So is the 'real world' the world's greatest fractal? The > answer to this challenging question is what I am currently seeking. I suggest the question is impossible as posed. All fractals are numbers, but not all numbers are fractal. Perhaps a way to ask the question ties back to that Many Worlds solution I mentioned. Is our reality nothing more than the "collapse" of an unimaginably complex wave function? Are we all in the box with Schroedinger's Cat? > Until tomorrow, take care, and beware of the fractal witch. Hey, not all witches are bad. I always had a crush on Samantha Tate... -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD Mania Date: 18 Jan 2001 18:05:03 -0600 Lee Skinner wrote: > But other sites returned (in this order) included: > > Friends of Traditional Dance > Fruit of the Day > Friends of the Dragon Webring > Font of the Day > Fact of the Day > Flung of the Day > Friend(s) of the Devil > Fear of the Dark > Foo of the Day > Flower of the Day > Fruit of the Doom > Flavor of the Day > Fairie O'the Day > Foto of the Day > Fish of the Day What? You mean there's no Fartin' On The Deck website??? Hrumph!! -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 19-01-01 (Ornate Fractal Scene [6]) Date: 18 Jan 2001 21:45:04 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 19, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The rush ended right on schedule, giving me more time to search for fractals this afternoon. My search led me into the fractal created by the formula -199Z^(-1.567)+199Z^(-1.765)+(1/C). This parent fractal consists of a large chaotic ring extending west from a pair of roughly Mandelbrot-shaped center bays, with many small M-sets just inside the ring, and sub-rings attached by stems extending inward from the main ring. Today's midget lies in the WNW quadrant of the large ring, quite deep within one of these attaching stems. It is one of the more ornate midgets I've found recently, a fact that inspired the name "Ornate Fractal Scene". My first impulse was to rate the picture a 7, but when I stepped back a few feet, I decided on a rating of 6, which is still above average. The magnitude is large enough that the parameter file may not render at the proper magnitude at higher resolutions. For this reason, I have hand edited the command mathtolerance=/1 into the parameter file. The parameter file renders in a little over 14 minutes on a dated Pentium running at 200mhz. For fractal convenience, the file of the GIF image will be posted in 16 hours to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals For fractal impatience, it will be posted far sooner to Paul Lee's web site at: and to Scott Boyd's site at: The weather today at Fractal Central turned most unpleasant, with light snow in the morning changing to sleet and a cold rain in the afternoon. The temperature of 34F (2C) and inclement weather kept the fractal cats indoors all day. But this time they behaved themselves like gentleman cats. Well, I guess it's time to wrap things up here at Fractal Central and call it a night. The fractals are all put away, and I hear the gentleman cats getting into trouble downstairs, which is usually a sign they want food. Until next time, take care, and a fractal can cure boredom, but can it cure a fever? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ OrnateFractalScene { ; time=0:14:15.41 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.69758733918538800/+0.25365148700365960\ /4.640715e+010/1/-49.97/-0.03 params=-199/-1.567/199/-1.765/0/300 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=283 symmetry=none periodicity=10 mathtolerance=/1 colors=000498498<3>4FE4GG4IG<2>4MK8SMBYNGcPKiQNoSSjU\ WfX`b`dYchTemThqPkpMnmImjLkhDkgSjXRnN_sDuzEdvGmqGgmH\ ghHddJb`J_WKVQKSMMPHMMDNJ8NG4PD4PA4SG4TM8USGWWMXbTZg\ Z`mearkcxsdzykzzezz`zzUzzPvzJrzDoz7jz4iz4gz4fz7dz8dz\ BcyEbvG`sJ`qM_nNYkQWhTWeUVcXT``SXaTZ<3>aSNaSKaRH<2>a\ R8aR5aR4cV4d_4ec5eg5gl5hp7ju7jy7kz8mz8jz4mz8nzHpzQqu\ ZtogvipwcyzYzy_zw_yt_ps`hq`an`TmbMjbDhb5jY4gb4<2>cj5\ ao8`rAZuDXxGWzHUzKTzNUzMSzPPzSMzUJxWGsZDoaAjd7fe4bh<\ 2>4Oq4Pp4Pp4Pp4Pn4Rn<2>4Rm4Rm4Tj7VhAWgD_dE`cHbaKdZNf\ XQgWSiUTfQUcMWbHW_DXY8ZV4ZS4ZP44R44J45L7ASBDYEHcHMjM\ QpP4sQTvSzcApb5gb4Xb4Kd4Pb4S_4UY4XV4aT5dR7gPAjMBnJEq\ IGtFJwDKzANz9Pz6Sz3Sz4Tz7UzCWzFWzJXzMZzR`zT`zWaz`czc\ dzgdzjezogzrhzskzuh<2>zyazzZzzW<3>zzNzzKzzHzzGzzDzzA\ zz4zz8<3>zzUzzZzzdzzjzznzzk<6>zzazzczz`zzZ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 20-01-01 (Make-up FOTD [5]) Date: 19 Jan 2001 21:25:54 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 20, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: There's a good reason I named today's image "Make-up FOTD", and that's because I lost the image that was originally supposed to be the FOTD for today, and had to find another fractal in a hurry. Actually, I didn't lose the image, I lost its parameters when I saved it in gif87a mode by mistake. The original image rates an 8, and I may post it some day to a.b.p.f., but it can't be today's FOTD because without the data, I can't make a parameter file from it. The make-up image is good enough, though far short of the one that was lost. The formula that created the image subtracts a portion of Z^(-1.11) from Z^(1.1). The parent fractal appears as a very twisted Mandeloid with a large area of chaos on its north side. Today's midget lies in this chaos. The parameter file renders in 8 minutes. The GIF image file will be posted in 16 hours to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and much sooner to: and to: The fractal weather today was miserable, with a steady soaking cold rain that kept even the thoughts of outdoors from the fractal cats. The temperature of 36F (2C) would have been too cold even if it had not been raining. The lost fractal killed my philosophical mood, though the mood may return tomorrow. Check then on the philofractal list to see. Until next time, take care, and when hunger strikes, eat. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Make-up_FOTD { ; time=0:08:03.40 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.41122353048828/+2.823392344002189/2.76\ 8288e+008/1/127.499/0.001 params=1/1.1/-1.1/-1.11/-0\ .05/300 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=158 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000iGkbIkXLkQNkIQkBRk4Vk0Xk0Yk1agBddJfbTi_akY\ knVspTzsQztOzqLzpIznGzlDzk9zi8zg4xf2wYDtRLtJTsDbs4kq\ 0sq0z<3>g0ad0Vb0O_0IY0BV04T00R00Q00O00O00N04N0DL0LL0\ RJ0_J0fI0nI0wG0zG0zG0zJ0zN8sQGgTQXXYL_f9bn0Yi2Vd8RaB\ NXGJTJGOODLRBQV9TX8XY8aa6db4gd4lg2pi1sk1wl6siBpfGndL\ kaQgYVfXYbTb_QgYOlVLqRIwQGzNDzLBzTEqaBii9aq8Tz4<2>4z\ 01z04z06z08z09z0Dz0<2>Iz0Nz0Rt0Vp0_i0bd0g_0kV0pO0tJ0\ xE0z81z22z04z06z0Iw0Tn0bw0Jz01<9>z00z00z00<3>z00z0Dz\ 4L<2>zTizagzY_<2>zI6zD0z80zD0zL8qTEiaNaiT_q_XzYTtX<2\ >LdRDXN4OJ0GG08D01909E0IJ<2>1dY4lb9tgDzkIzg<2>Rz_VzX\ _zT<2>izLlzIqzEtzDxz9zz6zz4zzJzzYzzTzzQzzNzzJzzE<2>z\ z4zz1zz0xz0tz0qz0nz0iz0qz0zz0zz0zzNzz_zzNzz9zz0<30>z\ z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Date: 20 Jan 2001 23:32:41 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 21, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: In today's FOTD image I have tried to recreate the essence of the image that was originally intended for yesterday's FOTD honors. As the rating of 7 shows, today's substitution does a fair job of recreating what is irretrievably lost, but the original effort was quite a bit superior, rating at least an 8. I had three clues in my effort to recreate yesterday's lost image -- I remembered that the formula was number 5 in my series of 12 MandNewt formulae, the function was 'atanh', and the inside fill was bof60. Having no idea of the numerical parameters, I drew a blank image with all parameters set to zero and let the Fractint evolver enter numbers at random. After several hundred rejected thumbnails passed by, one appeared that bore at least a modicum of resemblance to the lost fractal. When I further explored the likely candidate, I found scenes similar to but not exactly like the one that was lost. I have named today's picture "An Ikenaga Quantum". 'Ikenaga' is the name of the inventor of the Ikenaga function, a function which is still somewhat of a mystery, and variations of which appear in all 12 of my MandNewt formulae. A quantum of course is a specified amount of something, often assumed to be the minimum possible amount. One molecule of water, or one photon of light, are examples of quanta. No such things exist as 1/2 molecule of water or 1/2 a photon of light. I gave today's image the 'quantum' name because it has a kind of sub-atomic aura about it. It's an image that would look far better in true-color, but since true-color is not yet a working feature of Fractint, we'll have to satisfy ourselves with the un-true 256-color GIF version. The 2-minute render time of the parameter file is reasonable, and running the file is the best way of viewing the image. One alternate method of viewing the image is to wait 16 hours until the GIF file is posted to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Another method is to visit Paul Lee's web site at: or Scott Boyd's site at: where the image will be posted far sooner. The fractal weather today was very unpleasant, with a cold rain most all day, which became mixed with sleet late in the afternoon, and changed to snow at nightfall. The temperature of 34F (1C), combined with the wet conditions, kept the fractal cats sleeping by their radiators most of the day. It's now time for me to settle into my favorite chair to watch the junkiest old sci-fi movie I can find. If I can't stay awake through the whole thing, so much the better. The next FOTD is only 24 hours from now. Until then, take care, and if fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ An_Ikenaga_Quantum { ; time=0:02:08.86 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=mandnewt.frm formulaname=mandnewt05 function=atanh passes=1 center-mag=+0.59043327144988720/-0.56548623104432090\ /72.76091/1/44.998 params=3.59/0.73/0.88/1.64/2.11/0.26 float=y maxiter=125 inside=bof60 logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000_azaazdazi_zk_zpYzsYzxUzzUzzSzzSzzPzzPzzRz\ z_zzczzhzzozztzzxzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxzuszunzsiypfvparnY\ okSkkNgiLciG_fBVd6Rd1Oa0K_0G_0BZ06X03U00S00S<3>00I33\ 88G6GS1LY0Sa0Yf0dk0ip0pu0uz0zz0zz0zz0sz0kz0dx8YuIPsP\ Ip_Bni3kp0iz<2>0az0az0Yz3SzLNiaISuDBz80z30z10z30z30z\ 60z60z80z80z80uB3nB8iDDaDIUDPPGUIG_DId6Ii0In0Ls0Lx0N\ z0Nz0Nz0Nz0Pz0Pz0Pz0Sz0Sx0Uu0Us0Up0Yn0Yk0Yi0_i<3>0_i\ 0_i0_i0_iLLUd6Gx03u01<8>u00u00u00<2>u10u10u30<3>u30z\ 10<2>z01z08z0Dz0Iz0Pz0Uz0az0fz0k<2>z0su1sk6u_BxPDxDI\ z3Nz0Sz0Yz0az0dz<3>0xz1zzBzzIzzSzz_zzfzzdzz_zzYzzSzz\ PzzSzzUzzUzzYzzYzz_zzazzazzdzzdzzfzzizzizzkzzkzznzzn\ zz<3>dzzazz_zzYxzUuzSszPnz<3>GdzDazB_z8Yz6UzBazGizIp\ zNxzPzzUzzYzzSzzNzzLzzGxzDsz8nz3iz1dz0_z0Uu0Pp0Ln0Gi\ 0Bd06a01Y00U00S01P<3>0BG } frm:mandnewt05 {; Jim Muth z=c=fn1(pixel): a=z^2+(c-p1)*z-c b=p2*z^2+c-1 z=z-1*a/b p3 <= |a| } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-01-01 (Droplet on Eyeglass [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 00:54:12 EST Classic FOTD -- January 22, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The cuspped shape surrounding the midget in today's fractal reminds me of the pattern one sees around a street light when looking at the light at night through a water droplet on the lens of a pair of eyeglasses. The name "Droplet on Eyeglass" seemed perfectly appropriate. Since most everything about the image is a bit above average, I rated the picture at an above- average 7. The whimsical (all mine are) formula responsible for the image is -1.2Z^(0.93)+0.72Z^(-1.23)+C, with a bailout radius of 225. Increasing the bailout, imag(p3), causes the midget to 'evaporate', leaving a ghost, which can be revealed by the proper inside fill. The parameter file renders in a little over 11-1/2 minutes. In 12 hours the GIF file of the image will be posted to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and in an hour or so, it will be available at the URL's: and: The cold blustery weather and the fresh 10cm snow cover kept the fractal cats indoors all day today, where they were safe from the temperature of 28F (-2C). They amused themselves by watching the outside activity and by sleeping and eating. I see it's now time to shut down the fractal emporium, re-feed the fractal cats, and call it a night. Until tomorrow, when I shall return with another fractal dredged up from nowhere, take care, and when in doubt, let it iterate. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ DropletOnEyeglass { ; time=0:11:20.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+5.46034376690815/+5.97615913314921/945.4\ 231/1/-34.999 params=-1.2/0.93/0.72/-1.23/0/125 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=133 periodicity=10 colors=000`_A_dFYiJXoPVuTTzYTzaXzYYvV_rS`mPajMcfJdaF\ fYCgV9iQ6jM3lI0mF0pD3rC7sCCuAGvAMx9Qy9Vz7_z6dz6iz4mM\ 00z3xz3zz1zz1zz3zz3zu4zo4zj4yd6v_6sT7rO7oJ7mD9j79g1A\ f0Ac0Aa0D`0F`0G`3I_6L_7M_AOYDPYGSYJTXMVXOXXPaTPgSPlP\ PrOPvLPzJPzICaF07C34D71FA0FF0GJ0IM0IP0JS0LV0LY0M`3Mc\ 4Of6Oi7Pj9PgCMfFLdGJaJG`MF_ODYQCVT9TV7SY6P`3Oa1Md0Lf\ 0_PaYSYXTTVVQTXMSYIQ`FPaAOc6Md3Lf0Lg0Jj0Im1<2>DvACvD\ AzG9zJ9zM4xO0pP0gQ0`S0TT<3>0_O0`M1aM3cL6dJ9fIAgGDiGF\ jFIlDJmCMoAOpAlJYyL0zM0xO0xP0xQ0xQ0vS0vT0vV0vX0vX0<2>\ u`0ua0ua0xf0zi0zl0zo0rg7f`FTTMIMT4F`09g1Dc9G`GJXPMT\ XPPcSMjVIsYFz`Azc7zf4zmCrsJfzQVzYJzcIzdGzdFzfFvfDsfC\ ogAlgAgi9di7`i6Yj6Tj4Ql3Ml3JlzjFzgJzfOzdSzaXz``z_d<2\ >yTryQvxPzxOzsPyoQvjQrfSoaTj_TgVVcQX`MXXIYTFYQD`Q<3>\ ClQCoQArQAsQAvQ9yQ9zQ9zQ7zQ<2>7zQFz_Mzg3zv0zz0zz0zz4\ zL3zC0z10z0<2>cz0az6 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 11:34:38 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or > mineral? Yes! -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Muth" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 13:16:6 -0500 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ----- Original Message ----- Sent: 1/22/01 12:34:38 PM Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Jim Muth wrote: [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Yes! Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive, living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. I leave it to the fractalist to decide whether they are dead. Jim M. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
 
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> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or
> mineral?
 
Yes!
 
Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive, living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable.  But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable.  If they were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food.  Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical conclusion must be that fractals are not alive.  I leave it to the fractalist to decide whether they are dead.
 
Jim M.
 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl House" Subject: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 22 Jan 2001 11:26:14 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim Muth wrote: > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? ... > But they are certainly not animal... ... Hmm... we take a "picture" of multi-dimensional objects .. those = objects, in their natural space, are beyond our perception - we need = tools to translate them into our frame of reference. It isn't outside = the realm of possibility that some form of life exists in n-dimension = "space". We could be seeing their footprints, their faces, or their = feces. :-) - darryl ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim Muth wrote:
 
> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, = vegetable, or mineral?
...
> But they are certainly not = animal...
...
 
Hmm... we take a "picture" of multi-dimensional = objects ..=20 those objects, in their natural space, are beyond our perception - we = need tools=20 to translate them into our frame of reference. It isn't outside the = realm of=20 possibility that some form of life exists in n-dimension "space". We = could be=20 seeing their footprints, their faces, or their feces. :-)
 
- darryl
 
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 15:36:22 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: [set HUMOR MODE = ON] > I wrote: >> Jim Muth wrote: >> >>> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or >>> mineral? >> >> Yes! > > Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive,... Tch, tch, tch. Limited thinking! And from a Science Fiction fan at that! Remember that old Star Trek show about the Horta?.... > ...living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. Ah, you were asking a TRICK QUESTION then! ;-\ > But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they > were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Wellllll, it's *obvious* they feed the imagination. For successful (in da commercial sense) fractists, they prolly feed the tummy, too! > Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical > conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. Yoiks! Ya asked a trick question, and I fell for it!! Shucks, just 'cause you don' know no one who ever ate a fractal, don' mean they ain't none! Maybe somewhere out there in the wide, wide universe dere's a crystal silicon lifeform that munches on Mandelmidgets like grapes on a vine..... Chomp, chomp! ;-)) -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 22 Jan 2001 22:42:41 +0100 Ez egy több részbõl álló üzenet MIME formátumban. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or = mineral? ... > But they are certainly not animal... ... =20 I think they are indeed similar to minerals because the formations = are determined mainly/only by mathematical rules. Minerals are 3D = crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and fractal pictures are = (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember having seen a 3D IFS = image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the '3-sided = pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of = anything else with a tetraedriv grid) ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> [If] fractals were alive, would they be = animal,=20 vegetable, or mineral?
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> But they are certainly not = animal...
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I think they are indeed similar = to minerals=20 because the formations are determined mainly/only by mathematical = rules.=20 Minerals are 3D crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and = fractal=20 pictures are (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember = having seen=20 a 3D IFS image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the = '3-sided=20 pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of = anything else with a tetraedriv = grid)
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:16:01 +1300 =?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?= said: > > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or > mineral? > ... > > But they are certainly not animal... > ... > > I think they are indeed similar to minerals because the formations > are determined mainly/only by mathematical rules. Minerals are 3D > crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and fractal pictures are > (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember having seen a 3D IFS > image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the '3-sided > pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of > anything else with a tetraedriv grid) > Ah, but then I'm sure you've seen the 3D IFS of a fern frond, and the crystal structure of a diamond crystal is cubical (quick exercise, take a cube and mark lines on its surface to form the edges of a regular tetrahedron). A "tetrahedral grid" is impossible in the sense that regular tetrahedra cannot be used to tile 3-dimensional space in the way that cubes can (or squares and equilateral triangles in 2-space). Try it; after fitting five tetrahedra around an edge to make someting looking not unlike a certain automotive logo), there's a gap left over too small to fix a sixth into. If fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Well, how many living minerals do you know? Morgan L. Owens "I think they'd be fungi, myself." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 21:05:45 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 23, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I've been pondering some very important questions today -- questions such as: "are fractals alive?" and "if they are alive, are they animal, vegetable or mineral?" Common sense would dictate that fractals are neither animal, vegetable, nor mineral, but rather abstractions, and therefore cannot be considered alive. However, not being bound by common sense, I feel that the question remains open. Animals and vegetables are certainly alive. The behavior of certain mineral crystals comes close to life, and in certain occult disciplines minerals are considered to be the kingdom of life directly beneath the vegetable kingdom. Carrying this train of thought further, thinking humans are composed of molecules, molecules are composed of atoms, atoms are composed of sub-atomic particles, and sub-atomic particles appear to be composed of mathematical functions, which for convenience the human biological mind makes manifest to itself as particles. Fractals are also composed of mathematical functions, which the computer silicon mind makes manifest to the human senses as pretty pictures, fractal music, etc. Does this mean that fractals are alive in hyperspace? No, but it makes fractaling more interesting and gives skeptics something to explain away. Today's possibly living fractal is named "Mandelbrot Sylphs". A sylph is an elemental spirit of the air, a light airy thing, with gossamer wings and nothing to do but fly around heaven all day. Since I enjoy the firefly-like decorations on the filaments, which remind me of sylphs, I rated the picture a 7. The sylph formula is 500Z^(-2.49)-500Z^(-2.51)+(1/C), once again a whimsical creation. With a render time of just over 3 minutes, running the parameter file is the best way to see the sylphs fluttering against the deep astral blue of the sky. An alternate way to see the image is to wait 16 hours until it is posted to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals or to wait a much briefer hour or so until it is available at: and: The fractal weather today was sunny and cold. The temperature of 34F (1C) limited the fractal cats, who most certainly are alive, to 5 minutes on the porch and 10 seconds in the snow at the bottom of the porch stairs. My philosophical muse is coming back online, so the coming days could be interesting and enlightening. The next C-FOTD will appear in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and both fractals and people are ultimately composed of numbers, but what this means is anybody's guess. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Mandelbrot_Sylphs { ; time=0:03:08.12 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.0826770823005174/+0.448556725065169/98\ 28077/1/-115 params=1/-2.49/-1/-2.51/449/11 float=y maxiter=600 inside=0 logmap=50 periodicity=10 colors=00000F00F03G00H<4>00M00N00P<2>10Q10Q31Q31S43S\ 43S64T64T76T76TCAXGD_JHaNKdSNgVSi_VlaYofarkdvniwrlzw\ ozztzzwzzzzzwzzvtzrkzpczoXzlNzkGzi9zf0zd0zc0UUQ03z3A\ z6Hz7Pz<2>EkzGpzHlzHiwHdvHarH_pHVnHSkHNiHKfHHdKMfMQg\ PTiQYkSalVdnXio_lp`pravtdxvfzwgzwlippNklQggTddXa`Y_Y\ `XTcTQfQMgPJkMEnJCpG7rD4vA0x70z60z40z40z9<2>0zK1zN1x\ S3wV3v_3va0o_0jX0fV0cS0cQ0cN0cK0cJ0cG0cE<3>0cC0cC0cC\ 0dC0iA0nA0rA0w90z91z91z96z69v4Do1Gi0Kc0Nc0Sc0Vc0_c0a\ c0dc0ac0_c0<3>PcTNc`PcV<3>VcDXc9Yc4_c0<2>cc0dc0dc0fc\ 0<2>gc0gc0ic0ic0ic0kc0lc0tc_zczwcztczrfwogrlknknigpd\ dr`cvXbxSczN<3>gz6hzAizEjzJkzM<4>pz7qz4rz9szDtzHuzKv\ zPwzTwzYwz`wzdzzizznzzpzzlzzgzzdzz`zzYzzTzzQzzMzzJzz\ EzzCzzHzzMzzQzzXzz`zzc<3>zzczz0zz7zzSzzczzczz0<3>zz0\ zz3<2>zz7zz9zz9zzAzzCzzDzzD } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Date: 22 Jan 2001 21:02:13 -0800 Programmer Dude, I am glad some of us have a sense of humor in this technical world! Diana ======================================== Diana L. Dubel :-) E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~dldubel/ -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Programmer Dude Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:36 PM Jim Muth wrote: [set HUMOR MODE = ON] > I wrote: >> Jim Muth wrote: >> >>> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or >>> mineral? >> >> Yes! > > Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive,... Tch, tch, tch. Limited thinking! And from a Science Fiction fan at that! Remember that old Star Trek show about the Horta?.... > ...living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. Ah, you were asking a TRICK QUESTION then! ;-\ > But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they > were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Wellllll, it's *obvious* they feed the imagination. For successful (in da commercial sense) fractists, they prolly feed the tummy, too! > Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical > conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. Yoiks! Ya asked a trick question, and I fell for it!! Shucks, just 'cause you don' know no one who ever ate a fractal, don' mean they ain't none! Maybe somewhere out there in the wide, wide universe dere's a crystal silicon lifeform that munches on Mandelmidgets like grapes on a vine..... Chomp, chomp! ;-)) -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 21:33:49 +1300 At 12:16 23/01/2001 +1300, I wrote: >Morgan L. Owens >"I think they'd be fungi, myself." No, no, no! Not mineral, not vegetable, not animal, not fungi, protists or archaebacteria: but fractals _are_ alive! At least, to the extent that viruses can be said to be alive. Consider how many times the Mandelbrot set has been reproduced. How much effort has been devoted to ever more detailed and accurate reproduction. From the index case in March 1980, the pandemic has spread throughout the world, infecting tens of thousands certainly, and probably more, and that's just counting people whose resources have been put to the use of reproducing it again and hopefully spreading it further. It wafts in to your mind, perhaps using a trippy colour scheme to prepare a welcoming neurochemical balance, allay your suspicions and weaken your defences. Once installed, it sends its tendrils out, and you start thinking about it. You get curious. You find out a bit more about it. Your behaviour becomes biased towards modes which would facilitate its further spread, in the same way that a cold virus encourages you to sneeze more. Before too long you end up downloading Fractint and from then on I'm afraid the condition's probably incurable. Morgan L. Owens "The CDC have put out an advisory on Tim Wegner." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruis, J.J.C.M." Subject: RE: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:18:04 +0100 Dear members and users of Fractint, Go to my program BBM8.exe and look at the examples that are given. You will see that fractals look like 'alive'. Jules Ruis. ing. Jules J.C.M. Ruis, Fractal Design and Consulting (Fracdecon) Group, Wagenaarlaan 2, 5691 GP Son, The Netherlands. tel. +31 (0)499 47 10 55; fax +31 (0)499 46 32 27 Internet: http://www.fractal.org E-mail: J.J.C.M.Ruis@tue.nl Eindhoven University of Technology tel. +31 (0)40 247 52 22 Internet: http://www.ipo.tue.nl/homepages/jruis -----Original Message----- Sent: 23 januari 2001 09.34 uur At 12:16 23/01/2001 +1300, I wrote: >Morgan L. Owens >"I think they'd be fungi, myself." No, no, no! Not mineral, not vegetable, not animal, not fungi, protists or archaebacteria: but fractals _are_ alive! At least, to the extent that viruses can be said to be alive. Consider how many times the Mandelbrot set has been reproduced. How much effort has been devoted to ever more detailed and accurate reproduction. From the index case in March 1980, the pandemic has spread throughout the world, infecting tens of thousands certainly, and probably more, and that's just counting people whose resources have been put to the use of reproducing it again and hopefully spreading it further. It wafts in to your mind, perhaps using a trippy colour scheme to prepare a welcoming neurochemical balance, allay your suspicions and weaken your defences. Once installed, it sends its tendrils out, and you start thinking about it. You get curious. You find out a bit more about it. Your behaviour becomes biased towards modes which would facilitate its further spread, in the same way that a cold virus encourages you to sneeze more. Before too long you end up downloading Fractint and from then on I'm afraid the condition's probably incurable. Morgan L. Owens "The CDC have put out an advisory on Tim Wegner." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:38:49 -0600 "Morgan L. Owens" wrote: > [F]ractals _are_ alive! At least, to the extent that viruses can be said > to be alive. > > Consider how many times the Mandelbrot set has been reproduced. [...] > > It wafts in to your mind, perhaps using a trippy colour scheme to > prepare a welcoming neurochemical balance, allay your suspicions and > weaken your defences. Once installed, it sends its tendrils out, and > you start thinking about it. [...] Heh, Good One! At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH which deals with a binary "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile read chock full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially liked the "doggies"..... -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:40:24 -0600 Jim Muth wrote: > ..., and sub-atomic particles appear to be composed of mathematical > functions,... Or maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny little strings.... -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:22:30 -0500 >At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH >which deals with a binary "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile >read chock full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially liked >the "doggies"..... I might be interested, if it weren't for the 's'-word. Maybe in six months... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:24:20 -0500 >Or maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny little strings.... I'm fairly up-to-date on the tiny stuff. Strings, membranes, and such, all of these and space itself made of something very fundamental called an instanton, and those and their interactions governed by math. One thing that's clear is that everything is made of math. Quantum numbers, annihilation operators, topological stuff... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:34:36 -0600 Multiple Bogeys wrote: >> At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH > > I might be interested, if it weren't for the 's'-word. > > Maybe in six months... Think snow like static on a tv screen... another 's'-word entirely. -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:52:52 -0600 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > Strings, membranes, and such, all of these and space itself made of > something very fundamental called an instanton, and those and their > interactions governed by math. I'd never heard of an instanton before, so I went looking for it. It seems to be a type of math solution: "...there exists in the Euclidean space a special class of classical solutions, called instantons or pseudoparticles. Because processes in Euclidean time correspond to processes in imaginary time in Minkowski space, these instantons describe actually tunneling processes between topological destinct vacua." [http://t5web.lanl.gov/blotz/cnls.html] I'd be interested in learning more... > One thing that's clear is that everything is made of math. Quantum > numbers, annihilation operators, topological stuff... I don't think that's clear at all. Math certainly *describes* reality, but that reality is *made* of math is just an idea (albeit a cool one!). -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:08:34 EST > ..., and sub-atomic particles appear to be composed of mathematical > functions,... >Or maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny little strings.... And the little strings are composed of.... Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:23:01 -0600 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: >>> ..., and sub-atomic particles appear to be composed of mathematical >>> functions,... >> >> Or maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny little strings.... > > And the little strings are composed of.... God only knows. Literally. ;-) -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-2?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 22:41:40 +0100 >A "tetrahedral grid" is impossible in the sense that regular tetrahedra cannot >be used to tile 3-dimensional space in the way that cubes can (or squares and >equilateral triangles in 2-space). Try it; after fitting five tetrahedra >around an edge to make someting looking not unlike a certain automotive logo), >there's a gap left over too small to fix a sixth into. You're right, that was a piece of $#&@ from me. I know the _atoms_ in that grid form tetrahedrons - each carbon atom connects to 4 others - but the grid IS cubic. After thinking once about the whole thing: fractals - or self-similarity - are also present in plants: like the ferns, - animals: bird feathers, but it's a mineral's structure that is clearly dominated by math. Also, some crystals - snowflakes - have something like self-similarity. Mineral formations often consist of a scatter of crystals with different sizes or many connected crystals. I have Mandelbrot-like formulas with these behaviours. > >If fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Well, how >many living minerals do you know? > Is the question then correct? :> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 24 Jan 2001 12:34:06 +1300 Programmer Dude said: > > At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH > which deals with a binary "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile > read chock full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially liked > the "doggies"..... > Reading it for the nth time during my lunch break right now :-) Morgan L. Owens "Fido's in too much of a hurry." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: caren Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 15:39:27 -0800 (PST) --0-2106517198-980293167=:8464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii once you've finished with the not-bad cyberpunk, find yourself a copy of melissa scott's "trouble and her friends"... as good as snowcrash is, it pales in comparison... packrat@nznet.gen.nz wrote: Programmer Dude said: > > At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH > which deals with a binary "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile > read chock full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially liked > the "doggies"..... > Reading it for the nth time during my lunch break right now :-) Morgan L. Owens "Fido's in too much of a hurry." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. --0-2106517198-980293167=:8464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

once you've finished with the not-bad cyberpunk, find yourself a copy of melissa scott's "trouble and her friends"...  as good as snowcrash is, it pales in comparison...

  packrat@nznet.gen.nz wrote:

Programmer Dude said:

>
> At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH
> which deals with a binary "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile
> read chock full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially liked
> the "doggies".....
>
Reading it for the nth time during my lunch break right now :-)

Morgan L. Owens
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Today's fractal, which was created by a variation of the mysterious Ikenaga function, has been named "MandNewt Playtime". I won't even attempt to describe the image, which is quite indescribable, other than to say that it vaguely resembles a scene on another planet. The picture once again rates a 7, the third or fourth consecutive FOTD with rating of 7! The parameter file renders in 10+ minutes. The file of the GIF image will be posted in 16 hours to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and in an hour or so to: and also to: The fractal weather today was sunny and 38F (3C). This was a huge improvement over the past several days, and brought out the vestigial kittens in the fractal cats. As I near the end of my energy, the day is also nearing its end. But tomorrow arrives in 2-1/4 hours, and every tomorrow brings a new fractal. So until then, take care, and relax with a fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MandNewt_Playtime { ; time=0:10:09.84 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=mandnewt.frm formulaname=MandNewt08 passes=1 center-mag=0.157155/2.18391/0.3345067/1/90 params=0.371/0.075/-4.057/0.636/2.919/-1.877 float=y maxiter=300 inside=atan logmap=yes periodicity=0 colors=000fzrdzt<2>azt`zt_xtZwtYttXqtWotVmtUjt<3>Qat\ O_tNYt<3>LNtLKtLHt<2>LAtL7tL6tL3tL1tL0tL0tL0tN0tL0tL\ 0tK0tK0tI0tI0tH0rH0qH0nF0kF0jE0gE0eC0cC0`C0ZA0XA1U91\ T91R73O73M73K65H65F55E56B369368374173173093<3>0A30A3\ 0C30C30C30E30E30I30E3093553A03<2>Q03S03S03U03U03U03W\ 03<2>X0BX0EZ0HZ0JZ0M_0Q_0T_0Ua0Xa0`b0cb0eb0hd0kd0od0\ qf1tf1tg3tf1td1td1tb1tb1ta1ta1t_1r_1rZ1qZ1qX1oX1oW1n\ W1nU1kU1kS1jS1jQ1hQ1hP1gN0gL0eK0eH0cF0cE0aC0aA0`90Z7\ 0Z50X30X10W00W00U00U00T00U<6>00T00T00T00T00T00T00S00\ R00R<2>05R06R06R<3>0AR0AR09Q0ER0IT0LT0QU0WU0ZW0bW0gX\ 0kX0pZ0uZ0x`0z`0za0za1z`3zZ5zZ6zX7xX7wW9tWAqUCnUEmTF\ iTFgRHdRIbQK_QLZONWONUMPQMQPKSLKUKJWHJWFHXCHZAF_7Fa6\ Ef1Ja5EZ6BW76S93NA3<3>AH3AF39F39E39E37C37C47A87AB69F\ 69J67M<2>56XF_tHftHktIptKutKztLztNzr } frm:MandNewt08 {; Jim Muth z=c=(pixel*p1): a=z^p2+(c-1)*z-c b=p3*z^2+c-1 z=z-1*a/b .000000000000000000000000000001 <= |a| } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 23:06:25 -0600 On Tuesday 23 January 2001 02:33, Morgan L. Owens wrote: > > "The CDC have put out an advisory on Tim Wegner." Why didn't you warn me before I had dinner with Tim and his wife this past May? So that's why my back is going out, and my right knee is getting visits from Arthur Itis.... (Nah... it's just old age...) 8-) Scott Boyd -- sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ "Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi. Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming." --- Simon Slavin in asr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Date: 23 Jan 2001 21:55:10 -1000 On 23 Jan 01 at 9:38, Programmer Dude wrote: > At this point, I can heartily recommend Neal > Stephenson's SNOW CRASH which deals with a binary > "virus" for the human mind. A worthwhile read chock > full of interesting ideas and concepts. I especially > liked the "doggies"..... Look up the topic of "memes" or "memetics." A meme is "an infectious information pattern that uses the human mind to reproduce itself." I used to have a link about them somewhere. A prime example of a meme is the famous "Good Times Virus" hoax ... Read a different scifi book in which memes (which had begun as information warfare superviruses built to search for and subvert computer systems) had learned to recognize the human mind as an information system, and developed ways of infecting it and taking it over. The human race had become a battleground for competing memes, as the memes became more and more intelligent. If I could remember the title (I don't think it was "Snow Crash" - nope, just read the blurb about it at Amazon.com, and it's not the same book) ... Anyway, Amazon.com lists a couple of books about memetics: "Virus of the Mind : The New Science of the Meme," and "Darwinizing Culture : The Status of Memetics As a Science" if anyone's interested in pursuing memetics. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) A fractal I like Date: 23 Jan 2001 22:12:35 -1000 Just put up a new fractal on my small fractal gallery that I particularly like. It's the big one if anyone's interested in looking. Also, I'm open to suggestions re improving the color palette ... http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/fractals.html David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 25-01-01 (Purplebrot [5]) Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:24:08 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 15, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: It's been another busy day here at Fractal Central, another day on which I lacked the time to do a proper fractal search and write a proper discussion. But I did manage to scrounge up a passable fractal. I named the image "Purplebrot" after the gloriously purple petals surrounding the central midget. The purple is made all the more vivid by the drab greens and tans along the outer fringes. Despite the haste in which it was found, the image rates an average 5. The parameter file renders in just under 16 minutes, which is a bit slow, but not as slow as waiting 11-1/2 hours for the GIF image file to be posted to Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals I expect that in a few weeks I'll have the computer situation worked out, and once again be able to post the image at the same time that I post the FOTD discussion to the mailing lists. In an hour or so, the image will be available on the Web at: and at: The fractal weather here at Fractal Central today was sunny and mild. The temperature of 46F (8C) kept the cats comfortable on the porch. And that's it for this rushed day. It's well past the time to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. Until tomorrow, take care, and see you in Fractal Land. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Purplebrot { ; time=0:15:44.33 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-7.440977756776993/+10.4626220731752/7725\ 03.5/1/-112.5 params=1.23/-0.98/-1.24/-0.89/-300/300 float=y maxiter=2100 inside=0 logmap=244 periodicity=10 colors=0003hH3hH3hH3hH3fH<3>3eI3eI3eI3eI3eI9bHM`HZYH\ <3>dXMeXOfXPhVP<3>mVUnVVuXXrVVoVVnVUkUUiUUhUTeTTdTTa\ TSZSSYSQVSQTQQSQPPQPMQQOQP<2>OQOPQOPQM<3>QQLQQLQQKQQ\ KQOIQLI<3>QeOQjPQmPQjQU`ZbPmYLhUIbQEYMBUH9PD4K93E336\ 33943A63B73DA3EB3GD4HE6IG7LI9MKAOLAP<2>QETSGUTHXUHYV\ IZYK`<2>aOdZMhaOfbOedPdePbhQbiQajS`kSZnTZ<2>rUVlXbsU\ VkQPmMgVIAYLDgMGaPI<4>iXVkZYm``obbqderehuhjvimwjozmr\ znuzmzznzzowzqsxrovskuuhrvdqv`nqZ<4>aXZZSZXOZUKZSEZP\ AZM6ZI3fK3bK3ZK4XL9T<2>LKIMOEMQBMU7OY3O`3Od3Of3Pe3Qe\ 3Se4<3>VdHVdKXdOYdQZdUZdX`bZabbbbebbhdbkebnbUudZr<2>\ hjminkiqk<2>jsjjsjjuj<3>kwjkwjkxikxikzi<3>qzirzisziu\ zivzhwzhzzfzzfzxezwezwdzvdzubzubzsbzrazrazu`zw`zzZ<3\ >zzXzzXzzY<3>zzXzzXzzXzz`<7>zz4zz3 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RENRAD1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:53:58 EST <> This is looong overdue...missed seeing your response, sorry. The vesa2cfg utility should have written the video modes of which your monitor is capable to a file. Find the file and you have a listing that you can compare to the modes available in fractint. I hope you've found some way to increase your resolution and apologize again for having missed your message:\ ~renrad1....the tardy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kennan C Herrick Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:45:04 -0800 Hi "RENRAD1" (who dat?)- No problem at all! In fact, the .txt file that goes along with vesa2cfg told me just that, and I missed it. But it gives a rather cryptic geek-like return: # QPV/386 / CDPEG configuration file # created by VESA2CFG on Sat 13-Jan-2001, 14:56:36 VESA BGR # perhaps RGB instead of BGR #'VESA local #"VESA configuration for "S3 Incorporated. Trio64V+" 320 200 16 40 $0d 0 640 480 16 80 $12 0 800 600 16 100 $4f02 $0102 1024 768 16 128 $4f02 $0104 1280 1024 16 160 $4f02 $0106 320 200 256 320 $13 0 640 480 256 640 $4f02 $0101 800 600 256 800 $4f02 $0103 1024 768 256 1024 $4f02 $0105 320 200 32k 640 $4f02 $010d 640 480 32k 1280 $4f02 $0110 800 600 32k 1600 $4f02 $0113 320 200 64k 640 $4f02 $010e 640 480 64k 1280 $4f02 $0111 800 600 64k 1600 $4f02 $0114 320 200 16m 1280 $4f02 $010f R Do you suppose I am to conclude that all those configurations listed are "VESA"-types? And I wonder what the columns including "100 $4f02 $0102" etc. mean; got any idea? Ken Herrick On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:53:58 EST RENRAD1@aol.com writes: > < report no VESA capability: the screen just comes up blank; no info > there.>> > > > This is looong overdue...missed seeing your response, sorry. The > vesa2cfg > utility should have written the video modes of which your monitor is > capable > to a file. Find the file and you have a listing that you can > compare to the > modes available in fractint. I hope you've found some way to > increase your > resolution and apologize again for having missed your message:\ > ~renrad1....the tardy > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-2?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:30:31 +0100 > 320 200 16 40 $0d 0 > 640 480 16 80 $12 0 > 800 600 16 100 $4f02 $0102 > 1024 768 16 128 $4f02 $0104 > 1280 1024 16 160 $4f02 $0106 > 320 200 256 320 $13 0 > 640 480 256 640 $4f02 $0101 > 800 600 256 800 $4f02 $0103 > 1024 768 256 1024 $4f02 $0105 > 320 200 32k 640 $4f02 $010d > 640 480 32k 1280 $4f02 $0110 > 800 600 32k 1600 $4f02 $0113 > 320 200 64k 640 $4f02 $010e > 640 480 64k 1280 $4f02 $0111 > 800 600 64k 1600 $4f02 $0114 > 320 200 16m 1280 $4f02 $010f R >-------------------------------------------- > >Do you suppose I am to conclude that all those configurations listed are >"VESA"-types? And I wonder what the columns including "100 $4f02 $0102" >etc. mean; got any idea? The number $4f02 means 4f02h, this is the value of the AX register to initialize the mode (via int 10h). The other number - $0102 (102h) in this case - is the value of BX. This call - AX=4f02, BX=mode number, usually around 100h or 200h, int #10h - is the standard VESA video mode setting procedure. Check out the Fractint help to see how to put these values to the FRACTINT.CFG file or mail me for more help on this. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) FOTD? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0500 What, no FOTD last night? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Roberts" Subject: (fractint) FOTD? Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:58:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087EB.7C246C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More importantly, how are the Fractal Cats? ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087EB.7C246C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C087EB.7C246C40-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:25:12 -0600 On Friday 26 January 2001 16:46, Multiple Bogeys wrote: > What, no FOTD last night? Apparently, some people received the FOTD. I had to go to the FOTD section of Paul Lee's Web site to find the FOTD. But I didn't receive the email either. Perhaps there was some glitch, in which not everyone received it. Is the lists.xmission.com server in California? Might have lost power mid-way thru the mail list... 8-) Scott Boyd -- sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ "Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi. Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming." --- Simon Slavin in asr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:43:25 -0600 > In fact, the .txt file that goes along with vesa2cfg > told me just that, and I missed it. But it gives a rather cryptic > geek-like return: Included with the Fractint version 20.0 release is a program called makefcfg, which will provide you with the correct settings in a fractint.cfg file. Since it will overwrite an existing fractint.cfg file, you may want to experiment with this in a different directory. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 27-01-01 (Good Luck Minibrot [9]) Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:06:54 EST Classic FOTD -- January 27, 2001 (Rating 9) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's C-FOTD image rates a rare 9 on my 0-to-10 scale of fractal worth. It is so good in fact that I won't distract attention from the image with a lot of off-topic blather. I rated the picture a 9 because I like the texture, I like the colors, and I like the pattern. The formula that drew the image is 0.01Z^(-0.85)+Z^(1.05)+C, an obviously whimsical choice that I never expected would do anything worthwhile. But fractals are deceiving, and today's formula has more in it than a quick glance would lead one to believe. I named the picture "Good Luck". I certainly had some good luck when I entered those parameters and chose a very unlikely area to investigate. Actually, the image is totally a matter of luck. Very little planning or skill on my part went into its creation. With a run-time of a little less than 19 minutes, the parameter file is slow, but it will be worth the effort for those impatient to see a FOTD that rates a 9. Those with a bit more patience should wait an hour or so and download the GIF image from: or from: Those with the patience of Job will find the image posted in 17 hours to the Usenet newsgroup: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The fractal weather today was partly sunny, with a chilly temperature of 40F (4.5C). Though it was chilly, the light wind made things bearable for the delicate fractal cats, who spent over one hour prowling and playing in the yard. And now the time had once again come to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. I'll return in 24 hours without fail. Until then, take care, and one doesn't see a 9-rated FOTD every day. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Good_Luck_Minibrot { ; time=0:18:49.77 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.00784141051596368/+0.03176929261659683\ /1.128003e+009/1/140 params=0.01/-0.85/1/1.05/0/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=0 logmap=316 periodicity=10 colors=0000Oy0Rs1Sm6UiAXdGY`KZVPaRUbLZdHbfChh7li2rl0\ vm0zo0ym0yl5wkDwiKwhSvh`vfhveotdwtbztbzoftiiddlNZo6U\ r0Sl0Rh0Pd0OZ0NV0LR0KL0JH0HD0G70F30D00D00H11K66OAARG\ GUKLYPP`VVdZ`fddihimmopsstwywzzzzzyzzwzy<4>phaoeYmaU\ lZOkVKiSGhOAfL6eH2eF0h97i5Hk1Pl0Zm0ho0ps0rv5ryDs<3>z\ itzrtzoszlswirrfrlephbpb`oYYoUVmOUmJRlFOl9Lk3Jk0HkDC\ iP6ib1ho0hz0hw0ks0lo0ok2pf5sb6tZ9wVCy<2>KJzLNyLPtNSo\ NVkOYeOaaPdXPfSRiNRlJSpDSs9Uv3Uy0Vz0Vz0Rs0Oh7<2>GCYD\ 2eC3dC5dA6b<2>9Aa9Ca7D`7F`7G`6HZ6JZ6JZAHbDHfGHiKHmNG\ rPGtUGyXGzZGzYOwXVoVafVhZUoRSvJRzARz2Oz3Nz3Kz3Jw3Gt3\ Fp3Cm3Ak37h36e36e55b35a33`23Y23X12V12S0<3>0L00K00H00\ G00F00G00D00C00A007016115222321520695FGALNFSUK``OffU\ miapmYteVtZRtRStJUsCXs3Zs0at0ds0fr2ip6lo9omCrmGtlJwk\ LziPzhSzh<3>dzbhzafzbfzbezbezbezd<3>dzd0zZ<2>1zY5zY9\ zX } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD? Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:35:35 -0600 Multiple Bogeys decided to harass the List again: > > What, no FOTD last night? > I had no problems receiving it with my normal ISP. :-) You should try getting a real ISP if you continue to have so many problems. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Nice fractal background Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:42:18 -1000 http://vmyths.com has a nice fractal image as part of its background ... David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) More FOTD troubles. Date: 27 Jan 2001 13:46:03 -0500 Well, it seems the home.att.net machine is off for the weekend -- it is ignoring HTTP requests, which you'd think the webmaster there would know is incorrect behavior. I can view the FOTDs at that other site, at least, but the discussion accompanying last night's is consequently unavailable to me. This is not good. Regarding my ISP -- it sucks but it's the best one in the area, the others are all worse. Not that that matters, since whether or not a FOTD makes it from lists.xmission.com to hotmail.com doesn't depend in any way whatsoever on whose dial-up service I happen to use. As for why I use hotmail instead of my ISP's email, actually I use both, but expose only the hotmail address on mailing lists, Usenet, and Web sites. If I'm going to be spammed, it's going to be at a free, throwaway address. (A spammer could sign on to this list easily enough and then quietly accumulate addresses; also, one could simply harvest them from the list archive Web site.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) Re: More FOTD problems. Date: 27 Jan 2001 13:50:18 -0500 Nevermind about the discussion bit -- it seems that other Web site is now posting the discussion text as well as the images. Thanks "sdboyd", saved the day. :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: More FOTD problems. Date: 27 Jan 2001 13:25:23 -0600 On Saturday 27 January 2001 12:50, Multiple Bogeys wrote: > Nevermind about the discussion bit -- it seems that other Web site is > now posting the discussion text as well as the images. Thanks "sdboyd", > saved the day. :-) I've had both the image and the discussion text posted since 8:11pm CST last night..... I also checked the error log and the access log on my server -- the html page with the discussion on it has been served successfully several times since midnight. No entries on the error log.... Scott Boyd -- sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ "Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi. Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming." --- Simon Slavin in asr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-01-01 (Schizophrenic Midget [7]) Date: 27 Jan 2001 20:56:22 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 28, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I have no idea why the FOTD of January 26 failed to appear on the Fractint list even after six attempts to post it. But the FOTD of January 27 did appear, and I assume today's FOTD of the 28th will also appear. At least I hope it appears, because it's a lively little midget. It's so lively in fact that I named it "Schizophrenic Midget". And the name is no exaggeration, for the out-of-control riot of colored arcs around the midget borders on madness. The expression 1.7Z^(-5.3)+5.3Z^(-1.7)+(1/C) was iterated up to 1500 times to create today's image, which rates a 7. The rating is a comedown from yesterday's lofty 9, but still above average. The parameter file renders in 10 minutes, making a download of the image the better way of viewing the scene. That download may be found on the Web at: and at: in about 16 hours it will also be posted to Usenet at: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals for the convenience of those with unlimited patience. The fractal weather turned cold again today as a high wind arose around midday to keep the fractal cats indoors. The cats dislike a high wind because it hides the sound of potential danger. They were snug by their radiator as the temperature fell through the 30'sF (from 3 to zero C). The philosophy is taking a brief break while the town waits with bated breath to see if our lowly football team can win the super- championship Sunday evening. I am making no predictions, but when I return with tomorrow's FOTD the answer will be known. Until then, take care, and hold your breath (but not for too long a time). Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Schizophrenic_midg { ; time=0:09:47.10 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.28583988861070400/+0.15293704137004680\ /6.55155e+009/1/-87.5 params=1.7/-5.3/5.3/-1.7/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=205 periodicity=10 colors=00000P<3>00M00L00K00H00G000010760FC3MI6TM9L`A\ DmCvzD0zvFXVQ10VG0YV0ag0dv3gz66DlQGVX7_a0cg0fj0ll6ro\ FxpMzrTzG0X4GS0_OvvvDQ`O0fXJlfFspAyz6zz3zzLosaTjszvz\ 0vs9jdVoQprCzmLsiScf_Oaf7_m0YsAXyTVzlTzzzyzjmyraxzQu\ mFsiYTzz3lQPm1iTXj0zj96rLIfVTXfdMpoCloAgo9co9_o7Xo7<\ 3>fz_izflzmzcKpzzzKAz0zzUKd3yS6xG9v4Cv1zi7sfDmc`GYQV\ _uJjjQg`XdQaa6_Y9a_Cc_Ff`Csd0`S0cV3dXAf_zA0lfxagoSgg\ VX3OaLcx00xpzzl4s11pA0mJ0jSIIL`0F0zDzMGuYTfidQupCzzQ\ 9Ij0Gu77zI0zQ0zzdsA6v0zXDTdQQmcOvoLapCJr40r09iFI`XQS\ lXPG_CI`0Il97xG0zO0xI0lD4`9CP4IM7LLAMJDOPzMMjFLQ7J60\ I00TI6dlGLVc0Dy74uD0pJ0m0zz9zpLzT4mP0aLAQiXGzog6vTAz\ FFz0Jz0Mfz0cz7`xQ_vi`mf`fc`Y``Q_olrzzzrzsfumTmfGQ0IV\ 7I_IIcS0iz0gx6gpCgg9J0CQ1DXDGaP3G0AVDzzzjzxXzl0zA0zJ\ 7zSIzizz0jzIIzzzzTjzY9z_Cz`Dz`Gz`jzT0z03zI`ziTzfOzcz\ zTpzX_z_Pz0Mz3LzFJzQPzdMzcLzaJz`yzp } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 29-01-01 (Infinite Ringlets [8]) Date: 29 Jan 2001 01:14:06 EST Classic FOTD -- January 29, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: We have a good fractal for today, but not much time for a discussion. We'll make up tomorrow for today's lack of words. The formula behind the image is a whimsical accident -- 2.46Z^(-4.56)+15.78Z^(-1.12)+(1/C) -- which was iterated up to 1400 times. I rated the picture an 8, and named it "Infinite Ringlets", a name inspired by the eight chaotic rings surrounding the midget and the infinity symbols scattered throughout the scene. The parameter file runs in 16-1/2 minutes on a Pentium 133mhz machine, 11 minutes on a 200MHZ. A download from: or from: is much faster. And in 12 hours the GIF image will be posted to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The fractal weather was ideal for cats today, as sunny skies, light winds, and a temperature of 44F (6.5C) lured Thomas and Tippy into the yard. And now it's time to shut down the fractal place and call it a night. I'll return in 20 hours with a fractal and some philosophy. Until then, take care, and believe in fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Infinite_Ringlets { ; time=0:16:38.94 -- SF5 on a P133 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-28.13018800949712000/+53.356095688422790\ 0/3806511/1/59.999 params=1.23/-4.56/7.89/-1.12/1/800 float=y maxiter=1400 inside=0 logmap=219 periodicity=10 colors=000`TzYUzXWzUXzSYzRZzO`zMazLbzIczGezFfzEczEbx\ <2>DXpDWmBTjBShBReAObAN`ALY9KU9HSFGQHFNVILTLIcNGeQFl\ SDqUAwX8zZ7zY7zX7vW7qU7jT7eS7<3>GN7<3>2I7AG9HEB<2>c7\ Hj4Ir2Ly1Mt4Lp8K<2>bIGZLFUQEQUDMZBHcAEg9FhAGcBHcDIZE\ ITF<2>MOHNNINLK<2>RGNSFOSEO<3>yIqzIwzNvzSvzXtzatzfsz\ jszprytryxrvvsrssnrtjptgntclv`ivYhwUfwRew<2>GZyDXyAW\ yG`x<3>bnshrrmvqlwm<3>gycfzaezZ<3>`zOZzMYzKXzHWzFezT\ mtfvnszizpWwaHmO3eR2fT2fU2fX1fY1f`1fa1fb3cb4bc7ac8`e\ AYeBXfEWfFUgHTgIRhLQ<2>iQMZUSQZXGbaDYZ9UX5QW3MT0HS0E\ Q0AO1ET<3>OQgMUcLY`IaXHeTGhR<2>NaeQZiRXnTUsWSxYQzZOz\ bSzeUzgYziWzlTznTzqTzXTwETp0Th0Ti1Tj4Tj7Tl9TmDUmFWnH\ XnLYpNZqR`q<3>aetcftegq<3>elbemZenX<3>fsIftFfvBfw9Ux\ GIyM7zT0zZ0z`<2>8z`Az`Ez`Gz`Iz`Mz`Oz`Rz`QzWQzSOzOeza\ hzffzhczibzj } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-01-01 (Satin Cyclone [7]) Date: 29 Jan 2001 23:48:12 -0500 (EST) Classic FOTD -- January 30, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: For some strange reason, today's FOTD is named "Satin Cyclone". I have forgotten the reason why I gave the picture such a name, if indeed there ever was a reason. Sometimes I pull the names for my FOTD images out of thin air, and today's name may be such an arbitrary one. Regardless of where the name came from, today's image is respect- able, though the steady decline in FOTD ratings from the 9 of a few days ago continues. But today's rating of 7 is still above average, making today's image marginally worth the effort of waiting 21 minutes for the parameter file to finish. The wait can be reduced to 12 minutes by resetting the periodicity to 10. This makes the effort of running the parameter file a little less marginal. The mathematical formula behind the FOTD image for today is (Z)-0.13Z^(-11)+(1/C), a surprisingly simple expression that does a lot more than one would expect. The parent fractal drawn by today's formula resembles a circular blob interrupted by a concavity on the west edge. Rendering the outer edges of this blob requires the periodicity to be turned off, though a time-saving periodicity setting of 10 seems to make no difference in the appearance of today's image. The inconvenience of running the parameter file can be avoided by downloading the GIF image from the web at the URL: and from the URL: For those in no hurry to see the image, it will be posted in 13 hours, along with this discussion, to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals The fractal weather today was mostly cloudy with a temperature of 45F (7C), which was acceptable to the fractal cats, but not ideal. The dynamic duo ventured briefly into the yard, exploring as far as the tangle of wild roses before retreating to the warmth of their radiators. I did a little philosophizing this afternoon, pondering the consequences of demonstrating that the world is indeed nothing but an illusion common to all people. I decided that the consequences would be very few in the way we live our everyday lives, but quite important to our philosophical and religious viewpoints. I'll go into these philosophical consequences in a future FOTD philofractal discussion. If I'm not overwhelmed by work, the day could be tomorrow. As for this evening, I see that the cats have settled, which means it's about time for me to be doing the same. This means shutting down the fractal shoppe and calling it a night. Until next time, take care, and don't fracture your fractal. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Satin_Cyclone { ; time=0:21:47.17 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-6.680805913828656/-8.301745475499704/562\ 06.02/1/97.5 params=1/1/-0.13/-11/0/-60 float=y maxiter=2400 inside=0 logmap=177 periodicity=0 colors=000wbZxdYzeXzfVweUqdSlbSG0NaaQX`QSZONYNIXNCXM\ 7VK1UK0SJ0UK<2>0QI0OI1OI3NG5MG7KF9KFCJFEIEGGEIGEKFCN\ ECOCBRBBUBBV99Y89Z78a78d58e47h37i37<3>SOO<3>bMNeMNhK\ NiJMhJMhIMfGM<2>dENdENbCOaBOa9O`9Q`8QZ7QY7RY5RZ4RZ4R\ Y7SZ8T`9VbBXeCYfEZlF`mGapIbqJdtKeuMfxNhzOi<2>zSmzUnz\ UnzVp<3>z`qzaqzbs<3>zhtzitzjt<2>znuzpuzqw<3>zwxzxxzz\ yzyx<3>znwzlwziuzfuzeuzbty`vxYtxVswSsuQsuNqtMqsJqsGp\ qEppBpp8nn5nm3nm1n<3>n0mn0ln0ln0ln0jn0jn0jj0mf0nb3pZ\ 7qV9tREuOGwKKxGOyCRz8Vz4Yz0bz0fz0hz3iw5jq7lm9nhCqb9u\ YEnZIi`MbaQYbSRdXOe`KfdIhhFijGjzIlsJmwKnzMuyNpuOlqQh\ zRdiS`eUXaXRYZN<2>XfBXi1Xl7<3>XwOXySYzXZzZ`z`<2>dzbe\ zbfzd<2>jzelzfmzh<3>szjtzjuzlwzlxzmyzp<2>zzhzzezzdzz\ a<2>zzVzzuzzuzzwzzw<16>zz` } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacco Burger" Subject: (fractint) Jacco's Fractal Pages Date: 30 Jan 2001 23:34:18 +0100 Hi everyone, Maybe some of you remember me from a dim and distant past.... This message is to let you know that I just uploaded a brand new version of my website. Well... it has only been about two years since the last version! The URL is: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jaccobu I have four galleries, a downloadpage with color map files for Fractint and gradient files for UltraFractal, a links page (a large one, but only in Dutch so far...) and, of course, a guestbook. Comments, entries in my guestbook and reports on bugs and spelling mistakes will be appreciated! Jacco Burger Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) Ack! Date: 30 Jan 2001 18:01:50 -0500 home.att.net is up again but the latest FOTD isn't there. Surprise, surprise. In light of their low reliability, I'm now switching allegiance to the other site, which appears to have moved to http://sdboyd.penguinpowered.com/~sdboyd/fotd/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:00:32 -0600 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > home.att.net is up again but the latest > FOTD isn't there. The "C-FOTD 30-01-01 (Satin Cyclone [7])" has been there since Monday, January 29, 2001 23:51:19 CST. Anyone with a decent ISP connection can view the Document Info themselves to verify this. That particular page has been accessed over 30 times already. > > In light of their low reliability, I'm now > switching allegiance to the other site.... Thank you very much for moving on, and good riddance. :-) BTW, Scott created his version of the same FOTD on Monday, January 29, 2001 23:45:07 CST. That's only 6-minutes and 12-seconds difference between the two. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas stewart" Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 30 Jan 2001 21:42:45 -0500 I couldn't see it or any of the old ones until now. I think there was a problem this time. All other times I had no problems getting the pictures. Doug Stewart ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:00 PM > Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > > > home.att.net is up again but the latest > > FOTD isn't there. > > The "C-FOTD 30-01-01 (Satin Cyclone [7])" has been there since Monday, > January 29, 2001 23:51:19 CST. Anyone with a decent ISP connection can > view the Document Info themselves to verify this. > > That particular page has been accessed over 30 times already. > > > > > In light of their low reliability, I'm now > > switching allegiance to the other site.... > > Thank you very much for moving on, and good riddance. :-) > > BTW, Scott created his version of the same FOTD on Monday, January 29, > 2001 23:45:07 CST. That's only 6-minutes and 12-seconds difference > between the two. > > > Sincerely, > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 30 Jan 2001 22:15:56 -0600 On Tuesday 30 January 2001 17:01, Multiple Bogeys wrote: > home.att.net is up again but the latest FOTD isn't there. Surprise, > surprise. In light of their low reliability, I'm now switching > allegiance to the other site, which appears to have moved to > http://sdboyd.penguinpowered.com/~sdboyd/fotd/ I moved all the FOTD pages to an Apache Web server on a machine here at home. This was due to the fact that I had ran out of free space on my ISP's Web server. The redirect and link to my Web server will remain on the URL that Jim Muth posts in his FOTD email. 99.9% uptime on my personal server is not guaranteed, but the reliability of Apache/Linux is well known. 8-) Scott Boyd -- sdboyd56@swbell.net http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/ "Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi. Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming." --- Simon Slavin in asr Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 31-01-01 (The Fractal Swarm [8]) Date: 31 Jan 2001 00:53:03 EST Classic FOTD -- January 31, 2001 (Rating 8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I must make a confession. Even with two jobs backed up, I took the morning off to attend the victory celebration parade in honor of our Ravens football team, which took place in heavy rain. As a result, I found almost no time to search for a fractal. Luckily, Fractint has an evolver feature, which varies the input parameters at random within specified limits. So today's fractal is not one I found, it is one my Pentium 200mhz fractal computer found. The resulting image rates an 8, which is above the average of the images I find without the evolver. Does this mean that a computer can find better fractals faster than a human being? Perhaps. . . . Or perhaps not, but in any case, it should be at least possible to write a fractal program that can analyze a section of a fractal image and zero in automatically on the nearest midget. But I'm not about ready to attempt such a program myself. Today's image is a production of number 7 in my series of 12 MandNewt formulae. It is almost totally composed of bof60 inside fill, which typically produces clouds and strings of bubbles when applied to an image created by one of the MandNewt formulae. I named the image "The Fractal Swarm" when the dark clouds of tiny black objects floating between the larger bubbles caught my eye. These clouds resemble swarms of bees. The parameter file renders in 8-1/2 minutes, though I strongly advise setting the color palette by using the color map file attached to the end of this letter. Due to a technical limitation, the colors as recorded in the parameter file are slightly but significantly incorrect. This is the first time this limitation has actually caused me to record the colors in the more accurate *.map format. The correctly colored image may also be obtained by downloading it from: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals where it will be posted in 14 hours. The image will also be available on the Web within an hour at: and at: But I cannot guarantee the accuracy of the colors in the images that will be posted there. The fractal weather today started with heavy showers of rain, which cleared away at midday, to be followed by a sunny afternoon with a temperature of 54F (12C). The fractal cats took full advantage of the ideal conditions. I now see that it's time once again to shut down the fractal shoppe and call it a night. But I'll return tomorrow with more fractal news. Until then, take care, and keep looking for fractals. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Fractal_Swarm { ; time=0:08:32.67 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=mandnewt.frm formulaname=MandNewt07 passes=1 center-mag=+1.14395346089396100/+0.61275989497159020\ /9442.281/1/92.499 params=1.86/-0.8/1/-3.6/3.72/0.15 float=y maxiter=240 inside=bof60 logmap=yes symmetry=none periodicity=0 colors=000zwzwuzosygpwTnuQksQiq<7>Q`hQ_gQZf<2>QWbQV`\ SU_<3>SQUSPTSOS<3>OKNNJLMIK<2>JFGIEFJDEKCCLDGMFHNHJO\ JMRKQVLUZLWaMYcN`fNbhNejOfmOfoOgoPhtPgvPiwPjuNg<3>pI\ XnGUmFQlEOjBLiAIg8F<2>c45b22a00_56XACUCJSGOPJUON_LPe\ JTiGVoE_tCaxCbxEcxEexFex0Y60Q80KA0EA6FCFFENGFUGI`IJg\ IKnJNuJOzKPzKQzJOyJLvJJsJGoJF`YVKlj2yy4tu5np6hl8bgAX\ bBQYCKTEFPzoCzqB<2>zv6zqCznIziNxfSwaXuYatTfqPjpLonJn\ mImjFliElgBjfAic6hb5ha6ia8ia8jaAj`Al<2>`Cm_Cm_En_En_\ FoYFoYGpYGpYIqXJqXJqXKsXKsVLtVLtVNu<4>UPwTQwTQxTSx<3\ >SUzSVzQVzQXzQXzQYzPYzP_z<2>P`zKfz<2>4wo5tm6qj8ohAlf\ BicCgaEe_EaYF_VGXTIUQJQOKOLLLJNJGNFFOCCPAAQ66S24T00U\ 00<2>S00S00Q00Q00P02P02O04O04N25N25L46L46K58K58J6AJ6\ AI8BGACGACFBEFBEECFECFCEGCEGBFIBFIAGJAGJ8IK8IK6JL6JL\ 6LL8NK<2>8UJ8XJAYIA`I } frm:MandNewt07 {; Jim Muth z=c=(pixel*p1): a=z^3+(c-p2)*z-c b=3*z^2+c-1 z=z-p3*a/b 0.000000000000000000000000000001 <= |a| } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== START theswarm.map COLOR MAP FILE========================== 0 0 0 252 240 252 240 232 252 208 224 248 176 212 240 116 204 232 104 192 224 104 184 216 104 176 212 104 172 208 104 168 204 104 164 200 104 160 196 104 156 188 104 152 184 104 148 180 104 144 176 104 140 172 104 136 168 104 132 160 104 128 156 104 124 148 112 120 144 112 116 136 112 112 132 112 108 124 112 104 120 112 100 116 112 96 112 108 92 104 104 88 100 100 84 96 96 80 92 92 76 84 88 72 80 84 68 76 80 64 72 76 60 64 72 56 60 76 52 56 80 48 48 84 52 64 88 60 68 92 68 76 96 76 88 108 80 104 124 84 120 140 84 128 152 88 136 160 92 148 172 92 156 180 92 168 188 96 172 200 96 172 208 96 176 208 100 180 228 100 176 236 100 184 240 100 188 232 92 176 228 84 168 224 80 156 216 76 144 212 72 132 204 64 120 200 60 104 196 56 96 188 44 84 184 40 72 176 32 60 172 24 48 168 20 32 160 16 20 156 8 8 152 0 0 144 20 24 132 40 48 120 48 76 112 64 96 100 76 120 96 92 144 84 100 168 76 116 184 64 124 208 56 144 228 48 152 244 48 156 244 56 160 244 56 168 244 60 168 244 0 136 24 0 104 32 0 80 40 0 56 40 24 60 48 60 60 56 92 64 60 120 64 72 148 72 76 176 72 80 204 76 92 232 76 96 252 80 100 252 80 104 252 76 96 248 76 84 236 76 76 224 76 64 208 76 60 148 136 124 80 196 188 8 248 248 16 228 232 20 204 212 24 180 196 32 156 176 40 132 156 44 104 136 48 80 116 56 60 100 252 208 48 252 216 44 252 224 40 252 232 32 252 236 24 252 216 48 252 204 72 252 184 92 244 172 112 240 152 132 232 136 152 228 116 172 216 100 188 212 84 208 204 76 204 200 72 200 188 60 196 184 56 196 176 44 188 172 40 184 160 24 180 156 20 180 152 24 184 152 32 184 152 32 188 152 40 188 148 40 196 148 44 196 148 44 200 148 48 200 144 48 200 144 56 204 144 56 204 144 60 208 136 60 208 136 64 212 136 64 212 136 72 216 132 76 216 132 76 216 132 80 224 132 80 224 124 84 228 124 84 228 124 92 232 124 92 232 120 96 236 120 96 236 120 100 236 120 100 240 116 104 240 116 104 244 116 112 244 116 116 248 112 116 248 112 120 252 112 120 252 112 124 252 104 124 252 104 132 252 104 132 252 104 136 252 100 136 252 100 144 252 100 144 252 100 148 252 100 148 252 80 172 252 60 196 240 40 216 224 16 240 208 20 228 200 24 216 188 32 208 180 40 196 172 44 184 160 48 176 152 56 168 144 56 152 136 60 144 124 64 132 116 72 120 104 76 104 96 80 96 84 84 84 76 92 76 64 92 60 60 96 48 48 100 40 40 104 24 24 112 8 16 116 0 0 120 0 0 120 0 0 116 0 0 112 0 0 112 0 0 104 0 0 104 0 0 100 0 8 100 0 8 96 0 16 96 0 16 92 8 20 92 8 20 84 16 24 84 16 24 80 20 32 80 20 32 76 24 40 76 24 40 72 32 44 64 40 48 64 40 48 60 44 56 60 44 56 56 48 60 56 48 60 48 56 64 48 56 64 44 60 72 44 60 72 40 64 76 40 64 76 32 72 80 32 72 80 24 76 84 24 76 84 24 84 84 32 92 80 32 100 80 32 112 80 32 120 76 32 132 76 40 136 72 40 148 72 END theswarm.map COLOR MAP FILE============================ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 31-01-01 (The Fractal Swarm [8]) Date: 31 Jan 2001 00:46:48 -0600 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > The correctly colored image may also be obtained by > downloading it from: > news:alt.binaries.pictures.fractals > where it will be posted in 14 hours. > > The image will also be available on the Web within > an hour at: > > and at: > > But I cannot guarantee the accuracy of the colors in > the images that will be posted there. No need to worry, I did use your supplied color map, and I can see the difference between my web page and Scott's (which is automated and will not know about the MAP file). It was interesting to see the "dark clouds of tiny black objects" become more dense when the color map is not used. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) New galleries Date: 31 Jan 2001 03:57:07 -0500 Hi everyone, I just uploaded four new galleries (#30-33) to my site. The entrance i= s at: The French version is at: Cheers, - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: Re: (fractint) New galleries Date: 31 Jan 2001 13:24:36 -0000 Sylvie, YOU ARE AMAZING! I particularly like gallery #32, but ALL of them are VERY IMPRESSIVE! If only *I* could do this... >From: Sylvie Gallet >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: Liste Ultra Fractal >Subject: (fractint) New galleries >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:57:07 -0500 > >Hi everyone, > > I just uploaded four new galleries (#30-33) to my site. The entrance is >at: > > > > The French version is at: > > > > Cheers, > > - Sylvie > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 31-01-01 (The Fractal Swarm [8]) Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:24:14 -0600 On Wednesday 31 January 2001 00:46, Paul N. Lee wrote: > No need to worry, I did use your supplied color map, and I can see the > difference between my web page and Scott's (which is automated and will > not know about the MAP file). > I happened to be at my computer when Jim's email arrived. I copied the colormap numbers into a .map file and started Xfractint with the MAP=theswarm.map option. Then today, I took a look at Paul's image, and noticed the difference. I then re-created the FOTD and got the same results! > It was interesting to see the "dark clouds of tiny black objects" become > more dense when the color map is not used. > I thought they looked more dense in your version, Paul. Scott Boyd Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) New galleries Date: 31 Jan 2001 16:42:32 -0500 Hi Andrew, Thank you very much for your kind comment! Best regards, - Sylvie E-mail: Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com Web site: http://www.fractalus.com/sylvie/homepage.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aero Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 31 Jan 2001 22:02:04 +0000 In message <3A7771C0.3FFE@Worldnet.att.net>, Paul N. Lee writes >> >> In light of their low reliability, I'm now >> switching allegiance to the other site.... > >Thank you very much for moving on, and good riddance. :-) > >BTW, Scott created his version of the same FOTD on Monday, January 29, >2001 23:45:07 CST. That's only 6-minutes and 12-seconds difference >between the two. > > Just to counter balance Bogeys' vote of no-confidence, may I, Paul, give a big plus vote. Its not often I get time to surf the wonderful world of fractal web stuff. Over the years I've browsed the web and newsgroups now and then and just did so last weekend, stumbling on some of your stuff once again. Its seems to me that your contribution to the world of fractals cannot be too highly commended. How anyone can be negative about this community of mathematical enthusiasts and artist is beyond me. Taking a broad view of human endeavour and commerce in this hi-tech world, things like the fractal community are pearls amidst a sea of mud. Also, one must realise that in this new, rapidly growing frontier of technology that links fail, servers get clogged, reliability oscillates. A very old quote comes to mind; 'If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.' This seems particularly apt, since if I recall correctly, these words were inspired by a king watching a spider trying to spin its web! Regards Aero inFINitE ART, Huddersfield,UK www.rherrero.demon.co.uk Phone: 00 44 (0) 1484 303737 Love & Respect, Richard Herrero _.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._.aERo._ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 31-01-01 (The Fractal Swarm [8]) Date: 31 Jan 2001 21:01:19 -0600 Scott D. Boyd wrote: > > I copied the colormap numbers into a .map file and > started Xfractint with the MAP=theswarm.map option. > Then today, I took a look at Paul's image, and > noticed the difference. I then re-created the FOTD > and got the same results! I am confused as to what the same results were compared to. The image you first had on your web page (when I checked just a few minutes after it was available) showed the "dots" more compacted together than my image. Now your web page shows a different image where they are much more scattered out. I have just compared my generated image with the one that Jim posted to the Usenet this afternoon and they appear to be the same, but still quite different in the pattern of "dots" that you are displaying. May be there is something peculiar with the XFractInt version and the DOS versions that Jim and I both use. Looks like this might be an interesting image to use for testing various versions under different platforms. > > I thought they looked more dense in your version, Paul. As I explained above, they do now, but not with your first image. :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 31 Jan 2001 22:47:44 -0500 >The "C-FOTD 30-01-01 (Satin Cyclone [7])" has been there since Monday, >January 29, 2001 23:51:19 CST. At the time I wrote that message, it was not there -- only the previous FOTD was -- and it was the day after the night the FOTD was posted, so it certainly should have been there. >BTW, Scott created his version of the same FOTD on Monday, January 29, >2001 23:45:07 CST. That's only 6-minutes and 12-seconds difference >between the two. Well that's odd. You're suggesting that it was there, then gone, then there again. Why would that be? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Ack! Date: 31 Jan 2001 23:53:13 -0600 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > At the time I wrote that message, it was not there > -- only the previous FOTD was -- and it was the day > after the night the FOTD was posted, so it certainly > should have been there. As I said, if one wishes they can view the web page and then request the "Document Info" and view the stats which show it was uploaded on Monday, January 29, 2001 at 23:51:19 CST. > > Well that's odd. You're suggesting that it was there, > then gone, then there again. Why would that be? I suggest contacting your ISP and see if they use some form of "cache", or maybe maintenance was being done which caused this effect. Each FOTD web page contains files from three separate Domain servers that have nothing in common, other than their use for the combined web page: http://home.att.net/ <====== HTML files and background http://www.nahee.com/ <====== Emoticons http://www.eclectasy.com/ <====== FOTD image files And then there are the many other servers of the "backbone", and everything between your ISP connection and the Domains listed above. It just seems odd that only you have been having so many problems over the past few months. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"