From: Subject: (fractint) 6 pars(inandout09) Date: 01 Jul 1998 02:46:49 EDT I recently downloaded orgfrm.zip from Fractints homepage and it's an absolute goldmine to me! :) Here are 6 images from the inandout09.frm....with a new map! Enjoy~ Jim ************************************************************************ IO9_004 { ; 0:02:05.67 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/asinh passes=t center-mag=-0.100334/-3.10862e-015/0.3521127/1/-90 params=-0.85/0/25/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<10>QH\ UPFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A02800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UF\ JSCGR9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N35UAA<9>KC2A88<3>eee<12>UN6446<4>ERcH\ WjIUh<12>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00L00J00J00J00<3>a00<3>p1Bs1Du5Gx9IzDL<3>\ zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<10>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiCFfDDcDCaEAZF8WA86<4>qp\ _ } IO9_005 { ; 0:02:35.00 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/atan passes=t center-mag=-0.0664251/-3.9968e-015/0.3632328/1/-90 params=-0.975/0/15/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200Vao<8>QHUPFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A02800600A00E04J18<6>lZ\ ZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UFJSCGR9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N35UAA<9>KC2A88<3>ee\ e<12>UN6446<4>ERcHWjIUh<12>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00L00J00J00J00<3>a00<3>\ p1Bs1Du5Gx9IzDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<10>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiCFfDD\ cDCaEAZF8WA86<5>zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet\ Vcr } IO9_006 { ; 0:01:08.44 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/atanh passes=t center-mag=-0.391293/-1.33227e-014/0.2935215/1/-90 params=1.045/0/12/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200SBL<3>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00L00J00J00J00<3>a00<3>p1Bs1Du5Gx9\ IzDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<10>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiCFfDDcDCaEAZF8WA\ 86<5>zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<10>QHUPFRO\ DPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A02800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UFJSCGR\ 9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N35UAA<9>KC2A88<3>eee<12>UN6446<4>ERcHWjIUh\ <7>RDN } IO9_015 { ; 0:02:01.99 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/asinh passes=t center-mag=-0.519064/-1.06581e-014/0.3039292/1/-90 params=-0.85/0/25/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/-0.85/0 periodicity=0 colors=200L00J00J00J00<3>a00<3>p1Bs1Du5Gx9IzDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<1\ 0>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiCFfDDcDCaEAZF8WA86<5>zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9i\ c<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<10>QHUPFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A028\ 00600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UFJSCGR9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N\ 35UAA<9>KC2A88<3>eee<12>UN6446<4>ERcHWjIUh<12>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00 } IO9_016 { ; 0:02:38.79 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/atanh passes=t center-mag=2.24724/-8.88178e-015/0.2222301/1/-90 params=1.045/0/12/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.1/0 periodicity=0 colors=200UZm<7>QHUPFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A02800600A00E04J18<6>lZ\ ZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UFJSCGR9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N35UAA<9>KC2A88<3>ee\ e<12>UN6446<4>ERcHWjIUh<12>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00L00J00J00J00<3>a00<3>\ p1Bs1Du5Gx9IzDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<10>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiCFfDD\ cDCaEAZF8WA86<5>zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet\ VcrVao } IO9_017 { ; 0:02:51.09 75mhz 800x600 ; 6/30/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_i.frm formulaname=inandout09 function=recip/tan passes=t center-mag=2.12685/-9.76996e-015/0.2970991/1/-90 params=1.045/0/12/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.1/0 periodicity=0 colors=200<7>Wet<10>QHUPFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07B05A02800600A00E04J18<\ 6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<9>UFJSCGR9EP6BO39M06I03E01<2>200900G01N35UAA<9>KC2A88<\ 3>eee<12>UN6446<4>ERcHWjIUh<12>W3AY07X05<2>S01Q00O00N00L00J00J00J00<3>a0\ 0<3>p1Bs1Du5Gx9IzDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<10>CCd37F4DV5Ki7Ry<4>AJlBHiC\ FfDDcDCaEAZF8WA86<5>zye<13>zE3A73<5>zrM<14>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 6 Pars from Gallet 3-02 - Take 2 Date: 01 Jul 1998 02:57:02 EDT (This is a repost. Gaps appeared in the text of the original, which made it difficult to use as a workable par for Fractint). Anyway, I set out to explore one of Sylvie Gallet's formulas and stayed up most of the night fishing out all sorts of fractal objects and designs. Lots of fun - thanks, Sylvie! Here are 6 pars. Enjoy! 8< ------------------------------------------------------->8 Blue_Buddha {;Sitting Buddha - used blues.map. ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:00:42.46 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=cotan/atan center-mag=1.30586/1.27122/0.5523976/1/-135 params=1/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz0yz<45>02z00z00y\ <59>002000000 } Winged_Apparition {;Resembles a Chinese dragon. ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:05:41.25 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=tan/exp center-mag=0.180433/0.179116/0.5145443/1/44.999 params=2/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=000333000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<15>zz0<15>000\ <15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N000<15>WWW<12>555 } Jaystripe_Buddha {;Sitting Buddha: used jstripe.map for 3D look. ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:00:43.23 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=cotan/atan center-mag=1.28673/1.23809/0.5637762/1/-135 params=1/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=00zhhh00iiii00jjjj00jjjj00kkkk00llll00mmmm00nnnn00oooo00oooo00ppp\ p00qqqq00rrrr00ssss00tttt00tttt00uuuu00vvvv00wwww00xxxx00yyyy00zzzzzzz00\ zyyy00yxxx00xwww00wvvv00vttt00tsss00srrr00rqqq00qppp00onnn00nmmm00mlll00\ lkkk00jjjj00ihhh00hggg00gfff00eeee00dccc00cbbb00baaa00a```00____00ZYYY00\ YXXX00XWWW00VVVV00UUUU00TSSS00SRRR00QQQQ00PPPP00OOOO00NMMM00LLLL00KKKK00\ JJJJ00IHHH00HGGG00FFFF00EEEE00DDDD00CBBB00AAAA00999900888800777700555500\ 4444003333002222000<3>00111100222200333300444400555500555500666600777700\ 888800999900AAAA00AAAA00BBBB00CCCC00DDDD00EEEE00FFFF00FFFF00GGGG00HHHH00\ IIII00JJJJ00KKKK00LLLL00LLLL00MMMM00NNNN00OOOO00PPPP00QQQQ00QQQQ00RRRR00\ SSSS00TTTT00UUUU00VVVV00VVVV00WWWW00XXXX00YYYY00ZZZZ00____00____00````00\ aaaa00bbbb00cccc00dddd00eeee00eeee00ffff00gggg00h } Colored_Tiling {;Geometric elegance with bold color transitions. ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:00:35.26 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=cotan/sin center-mag=0.0122938/0.0296794/0.1494174/1/-135 params=2/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=0000B0<12>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N000<15>WWW<14>\ 000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<15>zz0<15>000030070 } SecretCompartments {;Underneath the geometric elegance: storage spaces! ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:00:34.88 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=cotan/sin center-mag=0.0122938/0.0296794/0.1494174/1/-135 params=2/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=00zzzz00zyyy00yxxx00xwww00wvvv00vttt00tsss00srrr00rqqq00qppp00onn\ n00nmmm00mlll00lkkk00jjjj00ihhh00hggg00gfff00eeee00dccc00cbbb00baaa00a``\ `00____00ZYYY00YXXX00XWWW00VVVV00UUUU00TSSS00SRRR00QQQQ00PPPP00OOOO00NMM\ M00LLLL00KKKK00JJJJ00IHHH00HGGG00FFFF00EEEE00DDDD00CBBB00AAAA00999900888\ 8007777005555004444003333002222000<3>00111100222200333300444400555500555\ 500666600777700888800999900AAAA00AAAA00BBBB00CCCC00DDDD00EEEE00FFFF00FFF\ F00GGGG00HHHH00IIII00JJJJ00KKKK00LLLL00LLLL00MMMM00NNNN00OOOO00PPPP00QQQ\ Q00QQQQ00RRRR00SSSS00TTTT00UUUU00VVVV00VVVV00WWWW00XXXX00YYYY00ZZZZ00___\ _00____00````00aaaa00bbbb00cccc00dddd00eeee00eeee00ffff00gggg00hhhh00iii\ i00jjjj00jjjj00kkkk00llll00mmmm00nnnn00oooo00oooo00pppp00qqqq00rrrr00sss\ s00tttt00tttt00uuuu00vvvv00wwww00xxxx00yyyy00zzzz } Radiation_Suit {;Front view of man(?) in a radiation suit. ;Image (c)1998 by Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com ;From a formula by Sylvie Gallet,1996. ;Calc.time on a P90 at 640x480 = 0:00:44.71 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=tan/cosxx center-mag=-0.44036/-0.442801/0.8192408/1/-135 params=2/2/2/1 float=y inside=bof61 outside=atan decomp=256 colors=00000K<15>zzz<14>44N000<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>000\ <15>00z<15>000<15>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<14>404 } frm:Gallet-3-02 { ; Sylvie Gallet [101324,3444], 1996 z = pixel : x = real(z) , y = imag(z) x1 = x - p1*fn1(y+p2*fn2(y)) y1 = y - p1*fn1(x+p2*fn2(x)) z = x1+flip(y1) |z| <= 4} ****************************************************************************** ****************** Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com http://members.aol.com/maksoy/vistfrac/vistfrac.htm (site #35 on the Infinite Fractal Loop). http://members.aol.com/fractasy/fractasy.htm Why does my landscape keep printing out sideways? ****************************************************************************** ****************** Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: Re: (fractint) 7 pars (mandel(fnIIfn)) Date: 01 Jul 1998 05:17:01 -0700 Hi, Les! Amazed indeed! Lesok005 is my favorite. Both interesting and beautiful! Thanks for brightening my day! Linda -----Original Message----- >Hi Linda, >Meanwhile, try these quickies...(p.s. I'm amazed at what can be produced from >just 12 iterations!) > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Posing a M'br Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:04:44 -0400 Mark, >>Well, here's another way. As you have probably noticed, the branch closest to the set has the "widest profile" (from one side of the filigre= e to the other); of course the farther zoomed in to a node you are, the les= s the difference.<< This is the type of clue that I was looking for, if it always holds. Counterexamples would be welcome! What you are saying, if I get your drift, is that the filagree (the filament with all of its subtendrils) which, at an appropriate radius from the midget, subtends the widest angl= e of arc, is the same one that enters at the cusp of the cardioid, and thus= leads back to the main lake. I have not had time to study this, but it sounds intriguing if true. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Posing a M'br Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:45:35 -0400 Mark, >>This is the type of clue that I was looking for, if it always holds. Counterexamples would be welcome! What you are saying, if I get your drift, is that the filagree (the filament with all of its subtendrils) which, at an appropriate radius from the midget, subtends the widest angl= e of arc, is the same one that enters at the cusp of the cardioid, and thus= leads back to the main lake. I have not had time to study this, but it sounds intriguing if true.<< Well, I have found a counter-example. It does not destroy this rule-of-thumb, but requires modification of it. In this counterexample, the filagrees all resemble giraffe-like unicorns. The unicorn heads attached to long necks all point away from the midget, but in some unicor= ns the heads are three times as far away from the midget as other unicorn heads. The unicorn that extends the widest arc in this case is NOT the largest unicorn. But it IS the largest unicorn (covering the most area) that doesn't lead to all dead-ends! Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:13:38 -0500 Hello. It's me. M.L. Newsted Jr. I have returned from hiatus which started approx. the same time that the first fractal contest ended. A short time before that contests started (fall 97) I sent out a L-System fractal of a colored tree and I have accidentally deleted it. If anyone has a copy (Thierry Boudet?) please send it. thanks, M.L.. Newsted Jr. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.6 Date: 01 Jul 1998 20:17:38 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list in the last couple of days. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be contacted at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Wednesday July 1st, 20:15 GMT+1 (CET). Added Aldo Calpini, 'Descartes'. Added some nicknames, too. Art Baker - #265357 Michael Bell - #11379737 - 'Mike', in ICQ Fractint Group Jacco Burger - #5848993 Aldo Calpini - #3093078 - 'dada' Luis Ricardo Costa - #4111347 - 'Spielberg', in ICQ Fractint Group Paul Derbyshire - #10423848 - 'Kydaimon', in ICQ Fractint Group Marie Drozdis - #13510833 Andrew Duhan / Felix - #10363110 - 'Xilef', in ICQ Fractint Group (Master) Alex Dukay - #8515817 John Evans - #14618659 - 'Violet' Jon Fetting - #4024153 David Forbus - #2512475 Blake Hyde - #5411598 Ralph Jones - #11903613 Chris Landrum - #11989523 Paul Lee - #8804332 - 'Nahee', in ICQ Fractint Group Bob Margolis - #11924047 Irénée Mercier - #7217822 John C.A. Misterio' - #13157125 - 'John C.A. Misterio', in ICQ Fractint Group Nhan Nguyen - #341018 Thaddaeus Parker - #3304633 - 'FractalMan', in ICQ Fractint Group Andrew Schoonmaker - #2840835 - 'Neon Elephant' Christian Strik - #11760568 - 'Meltdown', in ICQ Fractint Group Angela Wilczynski (Wizzle) - #503044 / #1205072 John Wilson - #14386215 - 'johnw', in ICQ Fractint Group offlist? - #3475340 - 'Descartes', in ICQ Fractint Group Count: 26 Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:03:28 -0500 Lee Newsted wrote: > > A short time before that contests started (fall 97) I sent out > a L-System fractal of a colored tree and I have accidentally > deleted it. If anyone has a copy (Thierry Boudet?) please send it. > Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St. Clair) (all the pars and frms since August 1997) — http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 01 Jul 1998 13:47:41 -0500 What's an ICQ number and what it it for? M.L. Newsted Jr. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Camp" Subject: (fractint) Bunch of pars I did while half asleep Date: 01 Jul 1998 13:06:13 -0700 Ok, it's been about a week or so since I lasted posted any pars. I don't know why, I think I was just to lazy to press b and get them out of fract= int :) Most of them were done after midnight, so I am not sure how that affec= ts them. ;) Anyway, here they are. Almost all are mandelbrots, or their julia equivalents for speed. Oh, my roommate and I each maintain our webpage. Myself, the fractal part= , and him, the classic games part. Both of us have been competing to see wh= o can get more hits to their respective page. Unofrtuantly during this past few weeks, classics games and emaultion have been more popular than fractals. Gasp! (not that I have anything against that kind of thing) So= , I would encourage you to stop by and take a look if you have not already an= d browse through our fractals. Shameless pluging, I know :=DE | jon camp ICQ#3475430 | | valparaiso univerisity <>< | | chaotic n-space network | | http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/fractals_gate.html | jcamp19 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dinandout04 function=3Dcosxx passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.0846982/-0.0970873/0.8081129/1/90 params=3D-1.0435/-0.118/0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1024 inside=3Dstartrail invert=3D0.29126285169371/0/0 decomp=3D256 distest=3D1/1/1280/1024 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D000<62>zzzzzzyyy<60>111000000000<61>mmUmmUllU<58>113002000000 } jcamp20 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia center-mag=3D0/0/0.8130081 params=3D-0.7678692944181182/0.117139491009039 float=3Dy maxiter=3D8192 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsumm colors=3D000428<11>KAc<15>0z`<14>Zky`jzaky<14>svc<15>WFx<15>zo`<15>0F0M= MU<\ 13>_mx`hz<31>BGQ012<12>AFSBGUAFS<14>0007Mw<4>e00<4>zz0<4>UFw00`<5>`oz<4= >\ YFw<3>zo`000<14>zo`<15>000000102215 } jcamp21 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D+0.13144696839045740/+0.68980789751137380/4.891495e+011 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D8192 inside=3D0 colors=3D000EEE<12>111000000000<61>mmUmmUllU<58>113002000<63>zzzzzzyyy<= 46>\ FFF } jcamp22 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-0.76786929441802830/+0.11713949100905910/2.158368e+011/0.= 625\ /-27.498 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D8192 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsum= m viewwindows=3D1/0.5/yes/640/300 colors=3D000e00<4>zz0<4>UFw00`<5>`oz<4>YFw<3>zo`000<14>zo`<15>000000<14= >KA\ c<15>0z`<14>Zky`jzaky<14>svc<15>WFx<15>zo`<15>0F0MMU<13>_mx`hz<31>BGQ01= 2\ <12>AFSBGUAFS<14>0007Mw<3>Z4C } jcamp23 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia center-mag=3D+0.00000041032056296/-0.00000000000000002/10542.12 params=3D-0.7678692944181182/0.117139491009039 float=3Dy maxiter=3D8192 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsumm colors=3D000428<11>KAc<15>0z`<14>Zky`jzaky<14>svc<15>WFx<15>zo`<15>0F0M= MU<\ 13>_mx`hz<31>BGQ012<12>AFSBGUAFS<14>0007Mw<4>e00<4>zz0<4>UFw00`<5>`oz<4= >\ YFw<3>zo`000<14>zo`<15>000000102215 } jcamp24 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia center-mag=3D+0.00000041032056296/-0.00000000000000002/10542.12 params=3D-0.7678692944181182/0.117139491009039 float=3Dy maxiter=3D8192 inside=3D0 outside=3Dsumm colors=3D000<62>zzzzzzyyy<60>111000000000<61>mmUmmUllU<58>113002000000 } jcamp25 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D+0.25039599408939160/+0.00001363927157746/6.117825e+008 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D100000 inside=3D0 logmap=3D1903 colors=3D000<62>zzzzzzyyy<60>111000000000<61>mmUmmUllU<58>113002000000 } jcamp26 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-0.84001873315815030/+0.22430391523700670/1.06095e+012 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D16384 colors=3D000324645866<5>RICUKDWMEZOF<5>lZLn`MobNqdO<3>wlSxnTxpUyrV<3>zz= Z<2\ 8>321642863<5>RI9UKAWMBZOC<5>lZIn`JobKqdL<3>wlPxnQxpRyrS<2>zxVzzWyyV<29= >\ 221000001322643864<5>RIAUKBWMCZOD<5>lZJn`KobLqdM<3>wlQxnRxpSyrTztUzvVzx= W\ <30>541320001002323644865<5>RIBUKCWMDZOE<5>lZKn`LobMqdN<3>wlRxnSxpTyrUz= t\ VzvW<30>861640321002003 } jcamp27 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Djulia center-mag=3D+0.00000000000000086/-0.00000000000000064/4002797 params=3D-0.840018733158156/0.2243039152370172 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1638= 4 colors=3D000324645866<5>RICUKDWMEZOF<5>lZLn`MobNqdO<3>wlSxnTxpUyrV<3>zz= Z<2\ 8>321642863<5>RI9UKAWMBZOC<5>lZIn`JobKqdL<3>wlPxnQxpRyrS<2>zxVzzWyyV<29= >\ 221000001322643864<5>RIAUKBWMCZOD<5>lZJn`KobLqdM<3>wlQxnRxpSyrTztUzvVzx= W\ <30>541320001002323644865<5>RIBUKCWMDZOE<5>lZKn`LobMqdN<3>wlRxnSxpTyrUz= t\ VzvW<30>861640321002003 } jcamp28 { ; jon camp, 1998 ; chaotic n-space network reset=3D1960 type=3Dmandel center-mag=3D-0.74976798248451130/-0.05111109364650946/2.229461e+007 params=3D0/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D4096 bailoutest=3Dimag inside=3D0 colors=3D000321642863<5>RI9UKAWMBZOC<5>lZIn`JobKqdL<3>wlPxnQxpRyrS<3>zz= Wzx\ XzvY<3>xnawlbujcthd<5>jXjhWkeUlcSm<4>RIrOGsLEtICuFAvC8w86x64y32z0000013= 2\ 2643864<5>RIAUKBWMCZOD<5>lZJn`KobLqdM<3>wlQxnRxpSyrT<3>zzXzxYzvZ<3>xnbw= l\ cujdthe<5>jXkhWleUmcSn<4>RIsOGtLEuICvFAwC8x86y64z320001002323644865<5>R= I\ BUKCWMDZOE<5>lZKn`LobMqdN<3>wlRxnSxpTyrU<3>zzYzxZzv_<3>xncwldujethf<5>j= X\ lhWmeUncSo<4>RItOGuLEvICwFAxC8y86z640321002003324645866<5>RICUKDWMEZOF<= 5\ >lZLn`MobNqdO<3>wlSxnTxpUyrV<3>zzZzx_zv`<3>xndwleujfthg<5>jXmhWneUocSp<= 4\ >RIuOGvLEwICxFAyC8z } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:19:35 -0500 Lee Newsted wrote: > > What's an ICQ number and what it it for? > It's for chatting; sending non-email messages, files, etc...; Try the following website for information: http://www.mirabilis.com/icqme.html Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Calpini" Subject: Re: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.6 Date: 01 Jul 1998 22:27:18 +0200 Francesco Calpini - #187351 - 'ManniX' Thx ManniX Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 01 Jul 1998 17:30:56 EDT I need help. When using Windows 95 I could use Fractint using Program Manager that had a FRACTINT icon inserted. Clicking this icon would bring up fractint. With Windows 98 instalded, it seems Program Manager is no longer functional and I can't bring up the icon. Does anyone know a resolution to this problem? TIA. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Bunch of pars I did while half asleep Date: 01 Jul 1998 17:28:56 -0400 At 01:06 PM 7/1/1998 -0700, you wrote: Shameless pluging, I know :=DE > >| jon camp ICQ#3475430 | K - just d/l'd formulas. When I get a chance... :) (Nice fractals pages...) davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rerogers@symon.com (Raymond Rogers) Subject: (fractint) RE: Date: 01 Jul 1998 18:22:17 -0500 ICQ is an Instant messaging application for windows. It allows for = real-time chat and store & forward messaging. The ICQ number is a given = individuals ID. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lee Newsted Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:48 PM What's an ICQ number and what it it for? M.L. Newsted Jr. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fjslman@wins.uva.nl (F.J. Slijkerman) Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:50:20 +0200 (MET DST) Right-click on your desktop en choose New>Shortcut. Type in the path to your fractint executable (for example c:\fractint\fractint.exe), click Next, type "Fractint 19.6" or any other title you like, click Next and select a boring icon, and click Finish. Now you should be able to run Fractint by double- clicking on the icon you created. To avoid problems, right-click on the icon and choose Properties. Make sure you check the items Close on Exit, Full Screen (in the Screen tab) ,and set all memory things to Auto. Click OK. I hope this works for you. Good luck. Regards, Frederik. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: (fractint) Background colors Date: 02 Jul 1998 07:50:07 -0500 How do you change the background color that L-system fractals are displayed on? Black is o.k. but I would like to use something a little more optomistic... thanks, M.L. Newsted Jr. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 02 Jul 1998 07:55:07 -0500 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake Hyde" Subject: Re: (fractint) Background colors Date: 02 Jul 1998 12:30:22 -0400 At 07:50 AM 7/2/1998 -0500, you wrote: >How do you change the background color that L-system fractals are >displayed on? Black is o.k. but I would like to use something a little >more optomistic... > >thanks, > >M.L. Newsted Jr. Edit the palette. Hit `e', enter, and go to the first color and use the keys `r,' `g' and `b' to switch which component of the color you want. You can use the number keys, `+', `-', pageup and pagedown to adjust the amount of said color. Unless, of course, I'm wrong. I've never fiddled with L systems. Blake Hyde (ROT13: oulqr@pbaarpgh.arg) -==(UDIC)==- Novan Dragon -------------- d+ e- N+ T--- Om-- U1347'!S'8!K u uC++ uF uG++ uLB+ uA nC+ nR nH- nP nI-- nPT nS+ nT wM wC+ wS- wI++ wN- o oA++ y a666 -------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 02 Jul 1998 15:55:16 EDT To create a desktop icon in Windows 98: In Windows Explorer (Start\Programs\Windows Explorer) navigate to the Fractint Executable (Fractint.exe) right drag the file to the desktop and drop it. Choose "Create Shortcut(s) Here" from the pop up menu, and there you have it. An Icon on the desktop that when double-clicked will run Fractint. The default icon is not very attractive though. I have found a bitmap of your "African Warrior's Shield Julia" fractal (carr11599-F-1, 35carr.par) to be an emminently satisfactory replacement. :-) To set the properties for the Fractint Program right click on the icon and choose properties. Be sure on the screen tab to check "full screen", and be sure to include "textsafe=yes" in your SSTools.ini. A more thorough discussion of these settings is available at the spanky site. Hope this helps. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:45:48 EDT Thank you Frederik for the help with Windows 98. --Bob Carr-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 02 Jul 1998 17:34:29 -0400 TRMoe@aol.com wrote: > To create a desktop icon in Windows 98: ...... The default icon is not very > attractive though. They seldom are. That is why I created a number of fractal icons. If interested, you can download two small icon libraries at my web site (Euler and ZfAng pages). Moreover, I would be glad to send a fractal icon library (.icl) containing about 250 48x48 icons to anyone who wants it, and whose e-mail client can handle a 353 KB attachment (zip file). Write to me personally if you want it. Gedeon ************************************************ http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: June 29, 1998 ************************************************ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 03 Jul 1998 01:24:56 +0100 M.L.. Newsted Jr. wrote > A short time before that contests started (fall 97) I sent out a L-System > fractal of a colored tree and I have accidentally deleted it. If anyone > has a copy (Thierry Boudet?) please send it. Is this what you're looking for?: Fltree(with color) { ;author Nuke - My first real attempt Angle 32 Axiom +++++++++X X=<01F[@.64+++X]-F[@.29---X]@.5X } I didn't see a par file for the tree itself, so I made this... tree { ; . t= 0:02:16.43 ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1200 ; (c) 1998 by Les St Clair [Par date: Jul 03, 1998] ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com reset=1960 type=lsystem lfile=newsted.l lname=Fltree center-mag=1.7375e-005/1.24275e-005/1.000012/1.3333 params=13 float=y colors=UZz795<16>N40<7>UzZ<8>zz0<15>z1z<15>000<15>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>0\ 00<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0<16>VW8000\ ZEq`Fw000<5>0009B5 } PNL wrote: >> Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St. Clair) >> (all the pars and frms since August 1997) — >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm Thanks for the plug, though actually, the few L-System parameters that were posted to this list seem to have slipped my net! I found Nuke's tree by searching the archive for the word "axiom". cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) correction Date: 02 Jul 1998 21:42:28 -0400 After fulfilling a couple of requests for the icon library I offered, I noted that although in explorer the file size is shown as 353 KB, in the e-mail it appears as 485 KB. I don't know why that is so. The offer, of course, still stands. I just wanted you to know. Gedeon -- ************************************************ http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: June 29, 1998 ************************************************ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) correction Date: 03 Jul 1998 00:17:33 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Gedeon Peteri wrote: > After fulfilling a couple of requests for the icon library I offered, I > noted that although in explorer the file size is shown as 353 KB, in the > e-mail it appears as 485 KB. I don't know why that is so. The offer, of > course, still stands. I just wanted you to know. You can't send binary data in email. When you try, your mailer (hopefully transparently) encodes it as text. Text has fewer available characters (about ninety) than 8-bit binary (256), so each character carries less information. So you get about a 1/3 increase in size. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) New Images Date: 02 Jul 1998 23:49:59 -0500 I've just posted twenty-nine new images to my gallery: http://www.fractalus.com/galleries.htm Since this brings the total number of images up to 170 (an unviewable number for most people) I've also added an optional randomizer, which lets you view a picture at random from the collection, and doesn't show you the same picture twice. Feedback is always welcome, although it need not be directed to this list. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 5 pars(PD_201) Date: 03 Jul 1998 04:03:29 EDT Here's a few images I came up with while strolling through all the new formula files included in orgform.zip......Enjoy~ Jim *********************************************************************** pd201001 { ; 0:02:54.88 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/02/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=PD_201 function=ident/cosxx passes=1 center-mag=-1.00227/-5.77316e-015/0.8957563/1/-90 params=1.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200qiT<11>P48M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<5>_SOZSPXRO<13>575<13>RWWTYYW\ ``<14>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH\ <13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj\ <8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjY\ YA88<2>YXXuoWslV } pd201002 { ; 0:05:52.73 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/02/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=PD_201 function=asin/cosxx passes=1 center-mag=-1.04594/0.0191781/1.109866/1/-90 params=1/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200L55K33J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QL\ S745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQ\ I3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J\ 18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>G\ NXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<10>M88 } pd201003 { ; 0:03:36.58 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/02/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=PD_201 function=asin/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-0.896172/9.76996e-015/0.8543322/1/90 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200Wcr<12>NBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>e\ ee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYY\ W``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8\ BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3\ >7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet } pd201004 { ; 0:02:46.32 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/02/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=PD_201 function=atan/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-1.1185/8.43769e-015/0.5708899/1/90 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200OVeS_lWet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>l\ ZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWC\ MX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`R\ H<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9i\ c<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<3>KQZ } ZOOM2_of_pd201004 { ; 0:04:56.21 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/02/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=PD_201 function=atan/cosh passes=1 center-mag=-1.94801448237089100/+0.00000000000001006/70.92418/1/90 params=0.5/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200c`a<12>M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>T\ YYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745\ C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9\ <3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6\ >lZZjYYA88<3>eeedcc } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 5 pars(Whatzit4) Date: 03 Jul 1998 04:03:38 EDT And here's 5 pars from the Whatzit4.frm....(included in orgform.zip) Enjoy~ Jim *************************************************************** wazit401 { ; 0:01:26.51 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/01/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Whatzit4 function=ident passes=t center-mag=-5.32907e-015/-7.10543e-015/0.06684492/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000444000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15\ >zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr5nr\ 7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>zz0\ <15>zzz<13>888 } wazit402 { ; 0:00:44.32 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/01/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Whatzit4 function=ident passes=t center-mag=-1.77636e-014/-1.77636e-014/0.05009722/1/-90 params=0.2/0/0.45/0.1 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=00030Z<5>W0K410<13>zR0<5>fU6043<13>7zj<14>EO5<4>DX9<2>SLH752<6>tj\ M344<7>R`e<14>443<9>joehndflc644<7>ue`<14>000<3>SRH<14>CV5130<10>Me2<7>X\ TF432<7>eRM<13>J22H00H00H00L00<2>_07c3Ag7D<2>qIKtMNvQPxUSyXUz`XzcZzf`yic\ wlevog<2>mumjwofxpbyr<2>PzvKzwFyx<2>0uy0tz<2>0mz0jz0gy0dy0`x0Yw0Uw<2>0Js\ 0Fr0Bp07n04m00k<4>00` } wazit403 { ; 0:01:15.25 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/01/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Whatzit4 function=ident passes=t center-mag=0.40702/-3.55271e-014/0.0314019/1/-90 params=0.2/0.1/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000716<11>S5N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>79557\ 4354033077<10>3nn3rr5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf\ 1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i7\ 0f70<14>000<2>514 } wazit404 { ; 0:01:05.53 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/01/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Whatzit4 function=ident passes=t center-mag=0.741436/-7.10543e-014/0.03521461/1/-90 params=-0.2/-0.3/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000CCC<2>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N\ <15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr\ 5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>\ zz0<15>zzz<11>GGG } wazit405 { ; 0:01:35.57 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/01/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=Whatzit4 function=conj passes=t center-mag=-0.596048/-9.59233e-014/0.04718069/1/-90 params=-0.2/-0.3/0.4/0.2 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000OOO<5>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N\ <15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr\ 5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5>zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>\ zz0<15>zzz<8>SSS } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) orgform Date: 03 Jul 1998 09:42:46 -0700 I am having an odd problem- I have been unable to download orgform. I have been going to spanky and downloading it using netscape and the NetZip plug-in, directing it to put it in the same directory as the rest of the fractint stuff and it seems to extract it, but it does not appear in Fractint. (I have tried this several times now.) When I do a search for it it does not find it but finds a zipped version that was put there 1/29 and is still there even though I have deleted it several times. I downloaded another couple of zipped formula files this AM from Spanky and they work fine. (If anyone can help, e-mail me privately or send it as an attachment.) P.S. Why is Spanky called Spanky? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thore Berntsen" Subject: (fractint) New version of Fractint Screen Saver Date: 03 Jul 1998 19:47:43 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BDA6BB.71A3D760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Version 1.60 was released today. Now You can save the screen to a bmp = file while the screen saver i running, just press the "S" key. =20 Goto : http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm =20 Thore Berntsen Norway Email : thbernt@online.no =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BDA6BB.71A3D760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Version 1.60 was = released today. Now=20 You can save the screen to a bmp file while the screen saver i running, = just=20 press the "S" key.
 
Goto : http://home.sol.no/~thb= ernt/fintsave.htm
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BDA6BB.71A3D760-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mo Subject: (fractint) Fractint Screen Saver Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:19:05 -0500 (CDT) i'm new to the list, and i just downloaded and installed the fractint screen saver on my NEC 233 pentium computer. my problem is this: i'm usually able to set a timer when my moniter goes into standby mode while a screensaver is active (i choose a 3 minute wait for a screensaver, and a 5 minute shut-off time). i noticed while the fractint screensaver is active my monitor does not shutdown to standby mode. it just continues to produce fractals. has anyone else had this problem? and know how to solve it? thanks, mo Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.7 Date: 03 Jul 1998 23:19:07 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be contacted at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Thursday July 2nd, 23:26 GMT+1 (CET). Thanx go to Paul N. Lee for reformatting and updating. Added Jonathan (Jon) Camp, Jared Stein and Francesco Calpini. Welcome. Added some nicknames too. Baker, Art 265357 Art Bell, Michael 11379737 Mike (*) Burger, Jacco 5848993 Jacco Calpini, Aldo 3093078 dada Calpini, Francesco 187351 ManniX Camp, Jonathan 3475340 descartes (*) Costa, Luis Ricardo 4111347 Spielberg (*) Derbyshire, Paul 10423848 Kydaimon (*) Drozdis, Marie 13510833 Marie Duhan, Andrew 10363110 Felix (* - Master) Dukay, Alex 8515817 Evans, John 14618659 Violet Fetting, Jon 4024153 tfo Forbus, David 2512475 forbus Hyde, Blake 5411598 Syrion Jones, Ralph E. 11903613 Landrum, Chris 11989523 Raine Lee, Paul N. 8804332 Nahee (*) Margolis, Bob 11924047 Mercier, Irénée 7217822 Hibou Misterio', John C.A. 13157125 John C.A. Misterio' (*) Nguyen, Nhan 341018 Lavondyss Parker, Thaddaeus 3304633 (*) Schoonmaker, Andrew 2840835 Neon Elephant Stein, Jared 14590398 JSPent Strik, D. Christian 11760568 Meltdown (*) Wilczynski, Angela 503044 wizzle Wilczynski, Angela 1205072 wizzle Wilson, John 14386215 (*) An asterisk (*) behind a nickname indicates that person is a member of the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be done to the list, but i prefer corrections to be sent to cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) orgform Date: 03 Jul 1998 18:29:53 -0500 kathy roth wrote: > > this several times now.) When I do a search > for it it does not find it but finds a zipped > version that was put there 1/29 and is still there even > though I have deleted it several times. I downloaded > another couple of zipped formula files this AM from > Spanky and they work fine. > The date of 01/29/98 (which probably has a time of 10:54) is the time of that file that exists in the downloaded ORGFORM.ZIP. There are two files in the ORGFORM.ZIP file at Spanky's website: ORGFORM.ZIP 01/29/98 10:54 398,795 bytes README.1ST 01/29/98 10:46 2,409 bytes Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" Subject: (fractint) June parameters collection Date: 04 Jul 1998 11:26:35 +0100 Hi All, Yep, the June compilation is now available for download (only 296 images this month!). The pars plus index version is available from: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ and a version containing the pars + text of the original messages can be found at: http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm (or come in through the front door : http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/ to increment my visitor counter) either way, have a nice time - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 4 pars(Gallet-4-05) Date: 04 Jul 1998 18:07:45 EDT Here's another nice look at some Gallet-4-05 fractals.....Enjoy~ Jim ******************************************************************* g405001 { ; 0:01:42.16 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-7.frm formulaname=Gallet-4-05 function=log/ident passes=t center-mag=0.055055/0.055055/0.4844586/1/45 params=0.05/0/0.1/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200VHL<4>O39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10\ >TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS7\ 45C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3\ A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18\ <6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<7>WKN } g405002 { ; 0:01:58.09 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-7.frm formulaname=Gallet-4-05 function=tan/tanh passes=1 center-mag=0.0367033/0.0367033/0.3812603/1/44.999 params=0.05/0/0.05/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200RMZ<4>NBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>ee\ e<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW\ ``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8B\ HCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>\ 7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<7>RO` } g405004 { ; 0:03:45.03 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=Gallet-4-05 function=tan/atanh passes=1 center-mag=0.0367033/0.0367033/0.3332124/1/45 params=0.05/0/0.05/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200QII<6>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QL\ S745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQ\ I3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J\ 18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>G\ NXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<5>QKK } g405005 { ; 0:01:24.53 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=Gallet-4-05 function=cotan/sqrt passes=1 center-mag=-0.00710156/-0.00710156/0.314453/1/44.999 params=0.05/0/0.05/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200<6>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>\ Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<1\ 1>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``W\ ZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH\ <13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8W } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 8 pars(Gallet-7-03) Date: 04 Jul 1998 18:11:03 EDT And here's some from Gallet-7-03.......Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************** g703001 { ; 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0:02:21.05 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-7.frm formulaname=Gallet-7-03 function=recip/cotanh passes=t center-mag=-5.37348e-014/4.04121e-014/0.1970795 params=0.55/-0.43/0.25/0.45 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=200jYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6\ >GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`\ 521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>\ ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2\ >800600A00E04J18<6>lZZ } g703009Pinwheel { ; 0:04:44.56 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-7.frm formulaname=Gallet-7-03 function=recip/cotanh passes=t center-mag=-7.28306e-014/5.06262e-014/0.1413693 params=0.55/0.35/0.25/0.3 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=200SPP<9>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QL\ S745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQ\ I3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J\ 18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>G\ NXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<2>TSS } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) new snowflake? Date: 04 Jul 1998 23:56:27 -0400 (EDT) I found a mildly interesting new way of drawing the Koch snowflake. The normal way is to start from the inside and build out, approaching the fractal curve itself in the limit. Well, we can also start from the outside and approximate inwards; maybe this is well-known, but it surprised me. Here are L-systems for doing it. I think you might have to put them in fractint.l to use them, but maybe the lsystem fractal type lets you pick different L-system files. I haven't tested them with Fractint, but only with my own lsys code, which is implemented from specs in fractint.doc. (I still haven't converted this to C or added WMF output, folks. Sorry.) inside_out_snowflake { angle 6 axiom f+f+f+f+f+f+ f=f+f--f+f } # Standard way has points at top and bottom; # inside-out way has them at left and right. # Here I try to overlap them. # xf is a segment of the inside-out way; # yf is a segment of the normal way. double_snowflake { angle 12 axiom +xf++xf++xf++xf++xf++xf++@q3+yf++++yf++++yf++++ f= x=xf++xf----xf++xf y=yf--yf++++yf--yf } Have fun, folks. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 23 pars(Larry,Moe,and Curly) Date: 05 Jul 1998 01:44:00 EDT Here's an assortment of images I came up with today......Enjoy~ Jim *********************************************************************** larry01 { ; 0:00:31.42 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/04/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fract196.frm formulaname=Larry function=ident/sinh passes=t center-mag=0/0/0.4 params=-0.1/0/50/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=200_KN<2>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RU\ YPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQU\ zTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796C\ IDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1\ CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<2>VGJ } larry02 { ; 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I hope you enjoy them. Gedeon g-g42-01 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 04, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=flip/log passes=1 center-mag=1.38952/1.55509/1.842899/1/47.5 params=1.1/0/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan periodicity=0 colors=M04<26>z0W<31>000G00<30>0z0<30>F20G00G00\ <29>yUUzWWyVV<29>H11G00G00<29>0Ux0Wz0Vy<29>F12G\ 00G00<2>K03 cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-02 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 04, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=tan/atan passes=1 center-mag=-5.9952e-015/0.0347096/0.9989598 params=0.5/0/1e-008/0 float=y maxiter=1023 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=0Ux0Wz<30>F12G00G00<30>z0W<31>000G00<30>\ 0z0<30>F20G00G00<29>yUUzWWyVV<29>H11G00G00<28>\ 1Tv cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-03 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=atan/log passes=1 center-mag=1.03609/1.05454/1.449275 params=0/0/1e-010/0 float=y maxiter=1023 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=0Ux0Wz<30>F12G00G00<30>z0W<31>000G00<30>0z0\ <30>F20G00G00<29>yUUzWWyVV<29>H11G00G00<28>1Tv cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-04 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=abs/tanh passes=1 center-mag=-0.023753/-0.0216382/2.329675/1/-9.999 params=0/0/0.2/0 float=y maxiter=1023 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=`3j`3j54d<2>65e76e87f98g<5>KJrMLtPOwRQyRQy\ <5>EDlCBjBAi98g<2>65e65d54d54dFFF<2>GGGHHHIIIJJJL\ LL<4>UUUWWWZZZaaaaaaZZZ<4>OOOMMMLLL<2>HHHGGGGG\ GFFFFFFLd4Ld4<3>Og5Ph5Rj5<2>Xo7Zq7at8cv8fx9iz9iz9\ <2>at8Zq7Xo7Vm6Tk6Rj5<2>Nf5Me4Le4Ld4Ld4a4Fa4F<3>\ d5Ge5Gg5H<2>m5Jp6Kr6Lu6Mw6Nz7Oz7O<4>m5Jk5Ii5Ig5\ He5G<2>b4Fa4Fa4Fa4F3Q73Q7<3>3T73U74W74X7<5>5j85m\ 85m8<5>4Z74X74W7<3>3R73Q73Q73Q74`g4`g<2>4ai4ai4b\ k4bl<2>4eq4er4fu4gv4hy4jz4jz4hy4gv4fu4er4eq4do<2\ >4bk4ai4ai4`h<2>4`ggR4gR4<2>iT4iU5kW5lX5<2>qc7re\ 7uh8vj8ym9zp9zp9ym9vj8uh8re7<2>mZ6lX5kW5iU5iT4hS4\ <2>gR4`3j`3j<3>c3kd3kf3k<4>o3lq3lt3lv3mv3m<5>i3\ kg3kf3k<2>b3ka3jY0g cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-05 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 ; digiorg1 map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=asinh/cos passes=1 center-mag=-0.13417/-0.0988057/22.95842/1/-70 params=0/0/0.001/-0.001 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=mult invert=0.36997241179033/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=855<8>M67N68P68R69S69<8>e7Cg8DhAE<10>zVF<10>\ hAEg8Dd8C<10>000<16>_2a<3>N8mJApI9kG7e<16>000<2>\ NNNA04VVV<2>ssswwwzzz<2>zzzqqq<2>iiigggfff<2>\ aaa```___ZZZZZZQQQNMMKKJIHH<2>DCBBAAA98887<6>h2rwq\ Ud2ltnT_2fpjSV2`lgQQ1VhcPL1Pe`OG1JaXMB0DYULF0IUQJ\ J0NQNIN0SNJHS1YJGFW1bFCE_1gB9Cc1l75Bh2r319321\ <14>321E54J65<2>T87W98YA9<6>jDClEDlED<4>zVF<3>\ rLFJApnGEJAnlFEJ9ljEDJ9jgDCJ8heCCJ8ebBBJ7c`AAJ\ 6aY89J6_V68J5YR38J5VR38J4TXQJJ3RbVNJ3Ph_QJ2Nlc\ TJ1KpgW855<6>855 cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-06 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=cotan/cotan passes=1 center-mag=-4.996e-016/3.88578e-016/4.467691/1/17.5 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan invert=0.36997241179033/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=G00L55<25>xVVzWWzXXzYYz__<2>zXXyWWwVV<25>\ L55K44K44<27>5Wx5Xz4Yz4_z4Zz5Yz<28>J56K44K44<26>\ x4Vz4Wz4Xz4Yz4_z4Zz4Y<29>444K44<27>5x45z44z4<2>5\ z45y46w4<27>K44 cyclerange=0/255 } g-g42-07 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet-4.frm formulaname=gallet-4-02 function=zero/log passes=1 center-mag=0.133374/0.191586/9.851821/1/19.999 params=0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=epsiloncross invert=0.36997241179033/0/0 decomp=128 periodicity=0 colors=b0K<19>000G00<30>0z0<30>F20G00G00<29>\ yUUzWWyVV<29>H11G00G00<29>0Ux0Wz0Vy<29>F12G00G00\ <30>z0W<10>d0L cyclerange=0/255 } frm:Gallet-4-02 { ; Sylvie Gallet [101324,3444], 1996 z = pixel , h = p1 , a = p2 : x = real(z) , y = imag(z) y1 = y + fn2(x + a*fn1(x+h)) x1 = x - fn2(y + a*fn1(y+h)) z = x1 + flip(y1) |z| <= 16 } -- http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/ Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: July 4, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Bach Petersen" Subject: (fractint) Problem with makemig.bat and screen Date: 05 Jul 1998 20:42:35 +0200 Lately I have been using the "b" function to create multi-image-gif's for poster-size images. As a number of large images takes a long time to calculate, I leave my computer to itself and rely on the screensaver to shut-off the screen (running under MSDos-promt in Win95). This works nicely until a picture is saved: Having finished save the screen goes blank - that is, the screen turn itself on, but with a blank black screen, leaving the mousecursor as the only visible thing. Fractint appears to calculate on as well as the mouse seems to work ok, but I can't get to see, what I'm doing. There is no actual screensaving - I wake up to a burning hot monitor after a long night of calculation. Does anyone have any idea what is happening and how I can avoid it? I would appreciate any help or clues. Thanks, Kim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Art Baker" Subject: RE: (fractint) Problem with makemig.bat and screen Date: 05 Jul 1998 11:59:08 -0700 Get rid of the screensaver. It doesn't hurt to leave the scren on all the time. Years ago that wasn't the case. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kim Bach Petersen Sent: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:43 AM Lately I have been using the "b" function to create multi-image-gif's for poster-size images. As a number of large images takes a long time to calculate, I leave my computer to itself and rely on the screensaver to shut-off the screen (running under MSDos-promt in Win95). This works nicely until a picture is saved: Having finished save the screen goes blank - that is, the screen turn itself on, but with a blank black screen, leaving the mousecursor as the only visible thing. Fractint appears to calculate on as well as the mouse seems to work ok, but I can't get to see, what I'm doing. There is no actual screensaving - I wake up to a burning hot monitor after a long night of calculation. Does anyone have any idea what is happening and how I can avoid it? I would appreciate any help or clues. Thanks, Kim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) Couple o' pars Date: 05 Jul 1998 14:59:27 -0400 While tinkering I found these two items: Cyclop's_Eye { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jul 05, 1998 t=0:00:13.51 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; color map: Jacco 170 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gravijul-v3 function=tan/sqr/log passes=t center-mag=-1.57185/4.16334e-016/4.901961 params=16/0/0/2/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=zmag outside=summ distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=twruxsruptwrruotvrqtnstqpsnrrpoqmqponolonnmmknlmlkjmjkkiikhjjghje\ iiegichhcfhaggaef_ff_deYdeYddWccXcbUbbVbaSaaTa`P``R`_N__P_YLYZNZXJXYLYWH\ WXJXUFVWHWTDUVFVSBTUDUQ8RSBTP7QRASQ8RR9SP7QQ8RM7NP7QJ6KM7NG5HJ6KD4DG5HA3\ AD4D727F4EA28H5FD3AJ5GG4CL6HJ5EN6IM5GP7JP6IR7KS7K<2>X9NaAQaFTbKXeM_<2>lW\ jn_nrbrtevzfz<2>lMhhFac8WZ0PX0OV0MT0LR0J<24>201000000<60>000000222<45>ru\ pwzwuxtwzwuxsvyvtwrvyutvruxtsvq } Rings { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jul 05, 1998 t=0:00:13.51 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; color map: dsgold reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=gravijul-v3 function=tan/sqr/log passes=t center-mag=-1.57185/4.16334e-016/4.901961 params=16/0/0/2/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=zmag outside=summ distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y colors=000<108>000A20<10>yhW<22>A20000<55>000MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<29>000 } ===========================================================================> frm:gravijul-v3 { ; Variation on Mark Christenson's gravijul by Sylvie Gallet z = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(fn2(w*w)^p1) + p2 |z| < p3 } davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) rep-tile L-systems Date: 05 Jul 1998 17:54:40 -0400 (EDT) I'm trying to write an L-system that will recursively subdivide a polygon with copies of itself, a "rep-tile". The particular rep-tile I'm trying to do looks like this: +-----+ | | | +--+ | | | +--+ +--+--+ | | | | | +--+--+ | | | | +-----+-----+ (If that doesn't look like a polygon to you, maybe you're using a variable-width font in your mailreader. Switching to a fixed-width font would help.) I can't seem to figure out how to do it. The closest I've got is this: triangled { angle 8 axiom +x x=x[@iq2f@q2x][-ff+++x][+ff---x] f=ff } This produces things in the right positions and orientations, but they're not the right things, really, and some lines in the resulting image get drawn numerous times. It *is* interesting to look at, though. (And it would make a hell of a city plan, too. :) (Same caveat: I haven't tested this with Fractint.) Anyone have tips on how to do rep-tile L-systems? btw, I came up with some more variations on the Koch snowflake I posted yesterday, some of which are more visually interesting. I'll post them if anyone wants to look at them. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 12 pars(Gallet-5-08) Date: 06 Jul 1998 01:04:21 EDT Here's a few more images from those ever so strange but nice Gallet formulae..........Enjoy~ Jim ************************************************************************** g508002 { ; 0:00:29.16 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/05/98 (c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-5-08 function=tan/sqr/sqr passes=t center-mag=-0.378385/-0.378385/0.1168224/1/44.999 params=0.5/0/0.2/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000<6>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaFe<8>fUL787<4>eoe<12>_V\ SZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It3185<5>7t`<11>aiYchXfgXifWgbT<7>WA8R85TGB_OG\ kWM<10>tJ99BA<2>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<14>899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5>eyj<11>PjZN\ hYMgXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>WRC<14>NVQjyo<11>ulLvkIwjFxhC } g508003 { ; 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0:02:55.54 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/05/98 (c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_g.frm formulaname=Gallet-5-08 function=cos/asin/sin passes=t center-mag=-0.0170273/-0.0170273/0.1607924/1/45 params=0.5/0/0.3/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000132<22>HbUIdVKeV<4>VlZ<3>NhXLgXJeWIcV<21>254243122000111223<20\ >QTbRVcSWeUXfVYf<4>dch<2>``hZ_hXZhVYgTXf<24>110<20>aMEbNEdOFePFgQG<4>iVO\ jXQjWP<3>iSJhRHfQG<24>000<24>ZWK_XLaXL<4>maP<2>g`Oe_NcZN`YM_XL<21>553332\ 221000011 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) rep-tile L-systems Date: 06 Jul 1998 17:06:17 +1200 At 17:54 05/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >I'm trying to write an L-system that will recursively subdivide a polygon >with copies of itself, a "rep-tile". The particular rep-tile I'm trying >to do looks like this: > >+-----+ >| | >| +--+ >| | | >+--+ +--+--+ >| | | | >| +--+--+ | >| | | >+-----+-----+ > Here's my attempt: Reptile1{ Angle 4 Axiom R R=FF+FF[+G|R]FF+FF[+G|R]FF+FF+FF-F[+R]RF+ F=GG G=GG } The general scheme I use can be inferred from this example. 'R' is of course the tile. Travelling around this I draw the edges of the tile ("FF" is used because I'm working on the same scale as the subtiles) and come up to the first subtile. Pushing my state on to the stack ('cos I don't want to lose my place), I tweak my state and insert a subtile 'R'. Then I pop back to my previous state and continue onwards. The next two lines simply rescale my moves at each generation and prevent redrawing already-existing edges. Morgan Post Scriptum: a few more rep-tiles. Reptile2{ Angle 4 Axiom Q Q=FFF|P|QFFF-FFFF-FFF|P|F-QFF+FF-FF- P=FFF|Q|PFFF+FFFF+FFF|Q|F+PFF-FF+FF+ F=FF } Reptile3{ Angle 4 Axiom R R=F+R-F-FFF+L-F+FF+FFF+L-FFF+F+R-FFF+FF+ L=F-L+F+FFF-R+F-FF-FFF-R+FFF-F-L+FFF-FF- F=FF } Reptile4{ Angle 6 Axiom R R=++FFR+FFR+FFR++FFFRF F=FF } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Problem with makemig.bat and screen Date: 06 Jul 1998 17:09:41 +1200 At 20:42 05/07/98 +0200, you wrote: >Lately I have been using the "b" function to create multi-image-gif's for >poster-size images. > >As a number of large images takes a long time to calculate, I leave my >computer to itself and rely on the screensaver to shut-off the screen >(running under MSDos-promt in Win95). > >... > >Does anyone have any idea what is happening and how I can avoid it? I would >appreciate any help or clues. > >Thanks, Kim > My recommendation would probably be to switch the monitor off if working overnight. But perhaps your system is one that doesn't let you do that - I have seen such. Morgan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Martin Subject: (fractint) orgform Date: 06 Jul 1998 02:29:42 -0400 Re: Orgform >it seems to extract it, but it does not appear in Fractint. orgfrm.zip (only one "o") is the file which you download from spanky. It has two compressed files, readme.1st and orgform.zip (two "o"s). After reading the text file, you then need to perform a decompression on orgform.zip to get all the formulas files and the program. George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Problem with makemig.bat and screen Date: 06 Jul 1998 07:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Kim wrote: > > This works nicely until a picture is saved: Having finished save the screen > goes blank - that is, the screen turn itself on, but with a blank black > screen, leaving the mousecursor as the only visible thing. Fractint appears > to calculate on as well as the mouse seems to work ok, but I can't get to > see, what I'm doing. There is no actual screensaving - I wake up to a > burning hot monitor after a long night of calculation. Turn the screen saver off (on the Display control panel.) Also turn off the "power saving" features. When you want the monitor off (because you're asleep, or whatever) just turn it off... of course, for running overnight calculations, you're probably better off just rebooting into MS-DOS instead of Win95... Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) rep-tile L-systems Date: 06 Jul 1998 09:45:33 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Morgan L. Owens wrote: > >+-----+ > >| | > >| +--+ > >| | | > >+--+ +--+--+ > >| | | | > >| +--+--+ | > >| | | > >+-----+-----+ > > Reptile1{ > Angle 4 > Axiom R > R=FF+FF[+G|R]FF+FF[+G|R]FF+FF+FF-F[+R]RF+ > F=GG > G=GG > } Cool! I came up with a relatively similar solution after posting last night: reptile_1 { angle 4 axiom ++x++f-f-ff-ff-f-f x=x[g+g-x][-g+g-x][+g+g-x][++f-f-f[+f]f-f[+f]f-f-f] g=gg f=ff } I think yours is neater, though. I've added diagrams to your others: +--------+--------+ | | | | +--+--+ | | | | | +-----+ +-----+ | | | | +--+ | | | | +--+--------+ > Reptile2{ > Angle 4 > Axiom Q > Q=FFF|P|QFFF-FFFF-FFF|P|F-QFF+FF-FF- > P=FFF|Q|PFFF+FFFF+FFF|Q|F+PFF-FF+FF+ > F=FF > } +--------+--+ | | | | +-----+ | | | | +--+--+-----+ | | | +--+ | | | | | | | | | +--+ | | | +-----+ > Reptile3{ > Angle 4 > Axiom R > R=F+R-F-FFF+L-F+FF+FFF+L-FFF+F+R-FFF+FF+ > L=F-L+F+FFF-R+F-FF-FFF-R+FFF-F-L+FFF-FF- > F=FF > } +---+ /\ /\ / +-+ \ / / \ \ +--+-----+--+ > Reptile4{ > Angle 6 > Axiom R > R=++FFR+FFR+FFR++FFFRF > F=FF > } Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) PAR 4 Gallet formula pars Date: 06 Jul 1998 09:48:27 -0400 Here are 4 pars based on Sylvie Gallet's tri-fn+fn formula. Gedeon --------------------- g-tff-01 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 ; Formula by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=triangl.frm formulaname=tri-fn+fn function=recip/sqr passes=1 center-mag=1.63578/0.299164/3.824215/1/4.999 params=200/3.5/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=1023 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=2Rr<2>0Ux0Wz0Vy<29>F12G00G00<30>z0W<31>\ 000G00<30>0z0<30>F20G00G00<30>zWW<30>H11G00G00\ <25>2Qp } g-tff-02 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 04, 1998 ; Formula by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=triangl.frm formulaname=tri-fn+fn function=recip/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-0.153403/-1.33227e-015/0.3401839/1/-90 params=200/1/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000C85<36>mfangbnfa<38>C85000<15>000100301\ <28>t0Kv0Lv0L<45>K0DDEI<37>fglghmfgl<38>DEI } g-tff-03 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 ; Formula by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=triangl.frm formulaname=tri-fn+fn function=recip/sqr passes=1 center-mag=1.73616/-1.66533e-015/2.186497/1/-90 params=200/1/0.4/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=MHE<26>mfangbnfa<38>C85000<15>000100301<28>\ t0Kv0Lv0L<45>K0DDEI<37>fglghmfgl<38>DEI000C85<8>LGD } g-tff-04 { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, Jul 05, 1998 ; Formula by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=triangl.frm formulaname=tri-fn+fn function=sqrt/sqr passes=1 center-mag=0.642839/-1.78955/1.012818/1/-90 params=12000/0.76/0.412/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=g`WibY<30>FB8333<15>333433634<28>w3Ny3Oy3O\ <45>N3GGHL<37>ijojkpijo<38>GHL333FB8<36>pidqjeqid\ <5>kd_ } -- http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/ Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: July 4, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOEL_GIFFIN Subject: RE: (fractint) rep-tile L-systems Date: 06 Jul 1998 11:59:04 PST (Kragen wrote:) > I'm trying to write an L-system that will recursively subdivide a polygon > with copies of itself, a "rep-tile". I suggest you contact William Mcworter at: "mcworter@midohio.net" who is very sharp at figuring out l-systems. Have you seen his tutorial at: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/lsys/tutor.html cheers, Noel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Web site update Date: 06 Jul 1998 18:27:51 -0400 Hi All, I have completely reorganized my web site: 17 new images and new design= without frames. The URLs are: English: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm French: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepagf.htm Enjoy! - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Web site update Date: 06 Jul 1998 18:39:40 -0500 Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > I have completely reorganized my web site: 17 new images and > new design without frames. > I like the new layout, and it seems to load quicker without the frames. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 11 pars(Mandel fn:fn) Date: 06 Jul 1998 20:04:26 EDT This formula always amazes me.....I keep going back to it whenever I get bored.........Enjoy~ Jim ***************************************************************** mnfnfn01 { ; 0:00:36.42 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/06/98 (c)JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-14.7157/2.84217e-014/0.04032258/1/90 params=0.1/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=200ECZEC_ECaDDc<2>F8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI\ 3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J1\ 8<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GN\ XEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521\ <9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<10>FCX } mnfnfn02 { ; 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0:03:33.71 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/06/98 (c)JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=acosh/exp passes=t center-mag=11.1483/2.13163e-014/0.0528169/1/90 params=0/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=200Vao<11>NBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>e\ ee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYY\ W``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8\ BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3\ >7oj<8>NXT557<6>WetWcr } mnfnfnZOOMof01 { ; 0:01:20.52 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/06/98 (c)JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-4.19953/3.73035e-014/0.1145528/1/90 params=0.1/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=200N6C<5>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RU\ YPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQU\ zTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796C\ IDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1\ CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18 } mnfnfnZOOM_2_of01 { ; 0:01:40.56 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/06/98 (c)JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-0.87823378444648070/+0.00000000000004585/1.971725/1/90 params=0.1/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=000S0S<5>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N000<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0\ zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<15>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<7>W0W } mnfnfnZOOM_3_of01 { ; 0:01:31.06 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/06/98 (c)JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-1.08900060773628100/-0.45515709549009010/37.59769/1.2488/62.\ 499 params=0.1/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=00040400K<15>zzz<14>44N000<15>WWW<14>000<15>z00<15>000<15>0zz<15>\ 000<15>00z<15>000<15>zz0<15>000<15>0z0<15>000<15>z0z<13>808 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) June parameters collection Date: 06 Jul 1998 18:16:46 -0700 Les.. Thanks yet once again for your wonderful service in collecting all the pars and formulas. I for one was still reviewing the phenomenal output you collected for May and would have missed most of the June material but for you!!! Angela P.S. Love the 3d images at your website Les St Clair wrote: > > Hi All, > > Yep, the June compilation is now available for download (only 296 images this > month!). > > The pars plus index version is available from: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ > > and a version containing the pars + text of the original messages can be found > at: > > http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm > (or come in through the front door : > http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/ > to increment my visitor counter) > > either way, have a nice time > > - Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) lake pars Date: 06 Jul 1998 21:18:53 -0700 I recently got back from vacation- no computer, no phone, and after a few days by a lake & waterfalls had some energy for abstract thought. One thing I was doing was trying to picture the 4-D Julibrot, or at least think about 3-D of the 4-D Julibrot and what the 2-D slices of this were showing. Anyway, this fit in with Jim Muth's great tour of the odd planes in June. I have some technical questions that I am trying to put together but meanwhile- here are some water-based pars. water1 { ; 6-98 kathy roth reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ucgrav.frm formulaname=Ucgrav function=cos/cosxx/sinh center-mag=1.57016/0.572305/0.1874702 params=0.3/0/0/0/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 colors=202A_immm2gi2ce6_e6Wa\ 2_a2WY6SY000<242>000ESeAWe } water2 { ; re-color of Ray Montgomery's par ; Sylvie Gallet palette reset=1960 type=phoenix center-mag=-0.00000000000000991/-0.525\ 62728270645260/2.443624e+012/1.382\ 5/180 params=1.1/1/-3 float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 colors=442hhe<79>AA5AA5994883<4>55\ 0000000000qxz<58>G_aFZ`FZ`FZ`<61>0AAyy\ v<36>iie } frm:Ucgrav{;6-1-98 kathy roth ;variation on frm by Morgan Owens and Mark Christenson t=p1,bailout=real(p3),z=pixel,v=imag(p3): x=real(z),y=imag(z) ax=4*x-2,ay=4*y-2 Tx=fn1(ax*(ax*ax-2)) Ty=fn1(ay*(ay*ay-2)) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) w = fn1(z) z = fn3(v/fn2(w*w)) + p2 |z| < p3 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) Taking the lazy way out... Date: 07 Jul 1998 08:34:06 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) REQUEST FOR COMMENT: I am writing a simple DOS program to read a .PAR file, extract all the parameter names inside it, and write out a batch or autokey file which will do a quick plot of them all. I find this preferable to doing it manually. (The last straw was a PAR file with over 50 parameters!) When finished I will make this app available to all. Before I cast the code in concrete I am interested in obtaining your opinions on a few matters. Assuming you do not sit and plough through the PARs manually yourself - Do you use multi-line DOS batch files? (each line a complete Fractint batch=y @parname/etc.....) or do you use the Autokey method to program sequences of plots? I have had better results from the latter, but am worried by the warning in the help file that says this is not guaranteed between releases. (or maybe you do it another way entirely?) I am very interested in any comments anyone may have - and will listen to all suggestions and ideas. A problem that has already arisen is the naming of parameters. I wanted to use the name in the savename, so I knew which plot came from which paramater - but the names can be up to 18 chars, and DOS only accepts 8 chars for the filename. Any thoughts? Nigel Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk *Life is fractal - no matter what timescale you view it at you have problems.* Personal Statement only: Not approved or sanctioned by the University of Southampton, or any of its agents. n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "exile" Subject: Re: (fractint) Taking the lazy way out... Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:26:28 -0500 Nigel> A problem that has already arisen is the naming of Nigel> parameters. I wanted to use the name in the savename, so I Nigel> knew which plot came from which paramater - but the names Nigel> can be up to 18 chars, and DOS only accepts 8 chars for the Nigel> filename. Any thoughts? An index file/menu/selection box sort of thing? {}Rick ____________________________________________________________________________ _exile@tezcat.com______________________________http://www.tezcat.com/~exile_ What you give is what you get. {Paul Weller} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "exile" Subject: Re: (fractint) Taking the lazy way out... Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:26:28 -0500 Nigel> A problem that has already arisen is the naming of Nigel> parameters. I wanted to use the name in the savename, so I Nigel> knew which plot came from which paramater - but the names Nigel> can be up to 18 chars, and DOS only accepts 8 chars for the Nigel> filename. Any thoughts? An index file/menu/selection box sort of thing? {}Rick ____________________________________________________________________________ _exile@tezcat.com______________________________http://www.tezcat.com/~exile_ What you give is what you get. {Paul Weller} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 20 pars(Jfn2fn) Date: 07 Jul 1998 04:49:16 EDT When I ran across this formula I didn't stop until I had 35 images.......here's 20 of them. Enjoy~ Jim ******************************************************************** jfn2fn01 { ; 0:00:46.30 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/07/09 image(c) JamesWeaver ; ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_j.frm formulaname=jfn2fn function=sin/conj passes=t center-mag=1.54221/-1.06581e-014/0.1038827/1/-90 params=-1.44/0/10/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000FCA<3>899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5>eyj<11>PjZNhYMgXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>\ WRC<14>NVQjyo<11>ulLvkIwjFxhC951<5>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaF\ e<8>fUL787<4>eoe<12>_VSZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It3185<5>7t`<11>aiYchXfg\ XifWgbT<7>WA8R85TGB_OGkWM<10>tJ99BA<2>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<9>GCA } jfn2fn05 { ; 0:00:20.49 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/07/09 image(c) JamesWeaver ; ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_j.frm formulaname=jfn2fn function=cosxx/sin passes=t center-mag=2.4496/-1.24345e-014/0.08836431/1/-90 params=-1.44/0/10/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000cLX<4>fUL787<4>eoe<12>_VSZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It3185<5>7t`\ <11>aiYchXfgXifWgbT<7>WA8R85TGB_OGkWM<10>tJ99BA<2>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<14\ >899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5>eyj<11>PjZNhYMgXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>WRC<14>NVQjyo<1\ 1>ulLvkIwjFxhC951<5>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaFe<2>bKZ } jfn2fn07 { ; 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Date: 07 Jul 1998 06:37:03 -0400 Nigel, >Do you use multi-line DOS batch files? = Most of us use Mike Peter's program "partobat" to create multi-line DOS batch files. The program is available at the spanky fractal site (I think= as partob.zip). = George Martin Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) RE: Taking the lazy way out... Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:56:29 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Whoops. I had not explored beyond the basic Fractint installation so parToBat had never come to my notice. Just proves that the answer is out there... you just have to make the right noises. I will continue my own program on another level because it produces some amazing autokey demos with next to zero effort. All I need now is the extra 148 hours a day needed to explore all the fractint web sites that have been recommended to me.... HELP! ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) disk-video mode problem Date: 07 Jul 1998 14:44:23 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Sorry to be taking up so much bandwidth today - this is my day off and there is a lot to get sorted out. For my batch mode plotting I tried using a disk-video mode (1024x768x256) in order to run it in the background under win95. If I tried to read the resulting .GIF file back it simply shows the disk-video text screen again. Naturally, if I select the "normal" 1024x768x256 mode the whole thing starts to redraw - not what I want at all. I can view the GIF perfectly well under Qpeg386. Has anybody a solution to this? Am I doing something wrong? ..and a mega-big 'thank you' to all who have helped with advice already today. ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chris landrum Subject: (fractint) fractint chat Date: 07 Jul 1998 06:47:45 -0700 http://www.connectu.net/bhyde/fracchat.htm just visited Blake's site, wondering if ya'll would be interested in using this chat for a fractint discussion group. i think it could be very helpful. if interested, send dates/times you think would be good for meetings. chris -- SilverRaine Web Design. We can help you with your web page needs. http://SilverRaine.pairnet.com/index.htm Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) disk-video mode problem Date: 07 Jul 1998 10:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Nigel writes: >For my batch mode plotting I tried using a disk-video mode >(1024x768x256) in order to run it in the background >under win95. If I tried to read the resulting .GIF file >back it simply shows the disk-video text screen again. >Naturally, if I select the "normal" 1024x768x256 mode the >whole thing starts to redraw - not what I want at all. I >can view the GIF perfectly well under Qpeg386. Has anybody >a solution to this? Am I doing something wrong? All you need to do to is to make the choice of a normal mode when you restore ("r" command) the image. At that point, when the video mode screen comes on, you can choose any of the normal video modes, though the image will be distorted if you don't use, say, a 1024x768x256 normal mode to display a 1024x768x256 disk-video mode image. I suspect, though I have not tried this (I usually only use the disk-video modes for custom pieces for multi-image fractals), that if you pan the image then, fractint will regenerate the whole thing from scratch in the new mode. BTW, in regard to your app to produce autokey files for generating a bunch of pars, one thing that would be useful would be if it could detect that a par was just colours and then apply those colours to the preceding image. A lot of folks have posted colour-only pars for images and partobat generates these with the default mandelbrot set, unless you go in and paste the actual fractal info from the original image par into the colour-only par. Hope that makes some kind of sense. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 10:23:27 -0500 Hey, Thanks a lot! I know the importance of making back-ups but somehow I lost all my fractals that I had written. This particular L-system fractal was my favorite one even though it was quite simple. I have some more that I will post soon, But It seems to me that L-system fractals are the not as popular as others, I wonder why????? --=20 "...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling thanks again,=20 Nuke. > From: Les St Clair > To: Fractint List > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 7:24 PM >=20 > M.L.. Newsted Jr. wrote >=20 >=20 > > A short time before that contests started (fall 97) I sent out a L-System > > fractal of a colored tree and I have accidentally deleted it. If anyone > > has a copy (Thierry Boudet?) please send it. >=20 >=20 > Is this what you're looking for?: >=20 > Fltree(with color) { ;author Nuke - My first real attempt > Angle 32 > Axiom +++++++++X > X=3D<01F[@.64+++X]-F[@.29---X]@.5X > } >=20 >=20 > I didn't see a par file for the tree itself, so I made this... >=20 > tree { ; . t=3D=20 0:02:16.43 > ; t=3Dcalc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-266 at 1600x1200 > ; (c) 1998 by Les St Clair [Par date: Jul 03, 1998= ] > ; e-mail to: les_stclair@compuserve.com > reset=3D1960 type=3Dlsystem lfile=3Dnewsted.l lname=3DFltree > center-mag=3D1.7375e-005/1.24275e-005/1.000012/1.3333 params=3D13 > float=3Dy > =20 colors=3DUZz795<16>N40<7>UzZ<8>zz0<15>z1z<15>000<15>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>= 0\ > =20 00<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S0aU0<14>zz0<14>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0<16>VW8000\ > ZEq`Fw000<5>0009B5 > } >=20 >=20 > PNL wrote: >=20 > >> Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St. Clair) > >> (all the pars and frms since August 1997) =97 > >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm >=20 > Thanks for the plug, though actually, the few L-System parameters that were > posted to this list seem to have slipped my net! I found Nuke's tree by > searching the archive for the word "axiom". >=20 > cheers, Les >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > I have some more that I will post soon, But It seems to me that L-system > fractals are the not as popular as others, I wonder why????? They're not as pretty as brots? I think some L-system stuff can be pretty; it'd be nice if we had more powerful primitives -- fill polygon, for example. I thought up a nifty new way to draw L-systems last night, which would take no preliminary compute time. Only problem is, you might need to resize it while you were drawing it, because you don't know how big the bounding box is until after you draw the last line. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 10:47:50 -0500 Over my head... But what I think would be cool is to be able to vary the thickness of the line. That would really make my trees look real. nuke ---------- > From: Kragen > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 10:34 AM > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > > I have some more that I will post soon, But It seems to me that L-system > > fractals are the not as popular as others, I wonder why????? > > They're not as pretty as brots? > > I think some L-system stuff can be pretty; it'd be nice if we had more > powerful primitives -- fill polygon, for example. > > I thought up a nifty new way to draw L-systems last night, which would > take no preliminary compute time. Only problem is, you might need to > resize it while you were drawing it, because you don't know how big the > bounding box is until after you draw the last line. > > Kragen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > Over my head... > > But what I think would be cool is to be able to vary the thickness of the > line. That would really make my trees look real. I've been thinking about implementing that in my PostScript L-system code. The easiest way would be to just specify an aspect ratio for lines produced by "F", and keep their width proportional to their length. I don't think it would be too hard. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:53:44 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > Over my head... > > But what I think would be cool is to be able to vary the thickness of the > line. That would really make my trees look real. Slow day at work. http://gentle.dyn.ml.org/~kragen/tree.pdf has a PDF of Tree1 from fractint.l, with order=10, and linewidth set to be 0.2 times line length. Is that what you meant? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Kragen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > http://gentle.dyn.ml.org/~kragen/tree.pdf has a PDF of Tree1 from > fractint.l, with order=10, and linewidth set to be 0.2 times line > length. and http://gentle.dyn.ml.org/~kragen/fltree.pdf has a PDF of your fltree, with order=8, and the same linewidth. Suggestions for improvements would be welcome. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake Hyde" Subject: Re: (fractint) fractint chat Date: 07 Jul 1998 13:04:21 -0400 At 06:47 AM 7/7/1998 -0700, you wrote: >http://www.connectu.net/bhyde/fracchat.htm > >just visited Blake's site, wondering if ya'll would be interested in >using this chat for a fractint discussion group. i think it could be >very helpful. >if interested, send dates/times you think would be good for meetings. I'm generally on the internet for a good part of the day, so I could be there a lot more than I am. I don't know when anybody else is on, but it wouldn't be too hard to get some standard times. Blake Hyde (ROT13: oulqr@pbaarpgh.arg) -==(UDIC)==- Novan Dragon -------------- d+ e- N+ T--- Om-- U1347'!S'8!K u uC++ uF uG++ uLB+ uA nC+ nR nH- nP nI-- nPT nS+ nT wM wC+ wS- wI++ wN- o oA++ y a666 -------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:21:20 -0500 I guess I've never noticed or read where there was the option of changing the line width as a ratio of the line length but it sounds like it's what i'm looking for. More info to point me in the right direction? thanks, nuke. ---------- > From: Kragen > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 11:53 AM > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > > Over my head... > > > > But what I think would be cool is to be able to vary the thickness of the > > line. That would really make my trees look real. > > Slow day at work. > > http://gentle.dyn.ml.org/~kragen/tree.pdf has a PDF of Tree1 from > fractint.l, with order=10, and linewidth set to be 0.2 times line > length. > > Is that what you meant? > > Kragen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 07 Jul 1998 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > I guess I've never noticed or read where there was the option of changing > the line width as a ratio of the line length but it sounds like it's what > i'm looking for. > More info to point me in the right direction? There was no such option until this morning, and as far as I know, there still isn't one in fractint. I just added it to my own L-system interpreter, creatively known as "lsys". I'm not entirely happy with lsys's output here; f+f will always generate a (greater or lesser) crack on the right side. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RJ Corradino" Subject: (fractint) A Fractal Tribute to Janis Joplin Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:34:19 -0400 I haven't posted in a while, thought I'd show this to you all. This is the first time I've been able to dive into Fractint with a specific image in mind and find something close to it. Big thanks to Paul Carlson for the frm. Let me know what you think... -RJ Pearl1 { ; Rock and Roll Pearl ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok corners=-0.232832/0.232832/0.61218174/0.96142974 params=2/1.2/-0.7/0/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=00PzfI<30>zz0<14>zXTzVVzVV<41>zzzzzzzyyzxxzww<64>AAU<5>225000100<\ 55>xJ0zK0zL3<6>zSQzUUzUU<19>zfJ } Heart1 { ; Another Piece of my Heart ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok corners=0.83483011/1.0060301/0.32083259/0.44923259 params=2/1.2/-0.7/0/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=00PxJ0yJ0zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<51>zz0<14>zXTzVVzVV<41>zzzzzzzyy<66>zAA<\ 3>200<57>wJ0 } Pearl2 { ; Rock and Roll Pearl ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok corners=0.9161501075/0.9247101075/0.4312072099/0.4376272099 params=2/1.2/-0.7/0/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=00Pzv4<4>zy1zz0zx1<13>zXTzVVzVV<41>zzzzzzzyy<54>zKKzzz<33>O82M60N\ 70<39>zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<44>zu4 } Pearl3 { ; Rock and Roll Pearl ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok corners=0.9183929279/0.9217142079/0.4333576443/0.4363975056 params=2/1.2/-0.7/0/1/10 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=00Pzv4<4>zy1zz0zx1<13>zXTzVVzVV<41>zzzzzzzyy<54>zKKzzz<33>O82M60N\ 70<39>zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<44>zu4 } colormap2 { ; Alternate colormap for the pearls colors=00PT90<33>zK0<7>zSQzUUzUU<43>zt5zu4zv4zw3zw3<3>zz0<6>zlDzjFyjI<12\ >cata`wa`w<31>zxxzxxzww<29>zddyddwce<25>KKz<10>zzz<16>iiihhheee<6>KKKO70\ <3>S90 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) disk-video mode problem Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:53:50 EDT Mike writes > All you need to do to is to make the choice of a normal mode when you > restore ("r" command) the image. At that point, when the video mode > screen comes on, you can choose any of the normal video modes, though the > image will be distorted if you don't use, say, a 1024x768x256 normal mode > to display a 1024x768x256 disk-video mode image. I suspect, though I have > not tried this (I usually only use the disk-video modes for custom pieces > for multi-image fractals), that if you pan the image then, fractint will > regenerate the whole thing from scratch in the new mode. Actually, Fractint copes fine with this. NB/ there is an option that makes Fractint automatically select the default video mode. If you have this turned on, you will not see the screen to select the video mode when restoring. Make sure you don't use the 'askvideo=no' command on the command line or in sstools.ini Luke ~~~ lukeplant@aol.com http://members.aol.com/lukeplant/fractals/ http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ ~~~ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:11:40 -0500 Is it possible to edit the L-System code in Fractint to allow different thicknesses of line? nuke ---------- > From: Kragen > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 12:42 PM > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > > I guess I've never noticed or read where there was the option of changing > > the line width as a ratio of the line length but it sounds like it's what > > i'm looking for. > > More info to point me in the right direction? > > There was no such option until this morning, and as far as I know, > there still isn't one in fractint. I just added it to my own L-system > interpreter, creatively known as "lsys". > > I'm not entirely happy with lsys's output here; f+f will always > generate a (greater or lesser) crack on the right side. > > Kragen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:15:23 -0500 Are we allowed to attach image files to our e-mail postings to this list? I have an internet e-mail app that allows me to send and receive attachments, but I used to use JUNO which didn't allow anything but text files and I wouldn't want to cause any problems for people on the list. thanks, nuke Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 07 Jul 1998 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > Is it possible to edit the L-System code in Fractint to allow different > thicknesses of line? Sure. Download frasrc*.zip and go! Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail Date: 07 Jul 1998 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > Are we allowed to attach image files to our e-mail postings to this list? I think people prefer not. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail Date: 07 Jul 1998 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > Are we allowed to attach image files to our e-mail postings to this list? I think people prefer not. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacco Burger" Subject: (fractint) anti aliasing Date: 08 Jul 1998 00:32:09 +0200 I recently applied the so called anti-aliasing technique to all the image= s in my webgallery, and I am very pleased by the result! I had really no id= ea that this technique could work so well. It improves the quality of Fractint-images a lot because it reduces artifacts. And the total filesiz= e of my images went down from 2.36 Mbyte to 1.27 Mbyte! On my website (URL http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm ) you can compare three of my original images to the anti-aliased versions. They al= l are in Gallery 1(' Wastatn=E2h' , ' Manneke' and ' Linda's Snoepje' ). S= o you can have a look for yourself, and you might even consider trying this technique for your own images! Damien Jones has a very good exlanation about what anti-aliasing is and h= ow it works on one of his pages at URL http://www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm Doei! Jacco e-mail Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl visit my fractal gallery at http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm (P.S. for Bob: as you might have noticed I still haven't send the unsubscribe-message yet!) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: (fractint) RE: My_Pearl Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:16:41 -0400 Here's more playing with Carlson's formula. Thanks, RJ, for bringing it to my attention. I hope it formats OK. I had a bit of bother with it. Triangle { ; From Paul Carlson's frm ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=b corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 params=5/10/-4/0/6/40 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000A06A0A<3>K5IN6KO7N<8>cKm<9>A0K<8>WhlZmo`rrcwvfzzcww<14>0IE3KH6\ NK<14>12k00m00l<11>34Q00N<15>znZ<13>S87L97EA7<2>D5IC4MB2QA0UE3X<8>mUw<4>\ WHePBZ<8>PBZAFU<13>Cww<4>JffKbcMZ_NVXPRT<9>33B00900A<11>00P<7>cru<15>0UU\ 5WVBZW<6>KA0<8>zzm<12>A00A03 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: (fractint) RE: My_Pearl Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:16:41 -0400 Here's more playing with Carlson's formula. Thanks, RJ, for bringing it to my attention. I hope it formats OK. I had a bit of bother with it. Triangle { ; From Paul Carlson's frm ; Formula Copyright Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok passes=b corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 params=5/10/-4/0/6/40 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000A06A0A<3>K5IN6KO7N<8>cKm<9>A0K<8>WhlZmo`rrcwvfzzcww<14>0IE3KH6\ NK<14>12k00m00l<11>34Q00N<15>znZ<13>S87L97EA7<2>D5IC4MB2QA0UE3X<8>mUw<4>\ WHePBZ<8>PBZAFU<13>Cww<4>JffKbcMZ_NVXPRT<9>33B00900A<11>00P<7>cru<15>0UU\ 5WVBZW<6>KA0<8>zzm<12>A00A03 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Updated my web site Date: 07 Jul 1998 19:54:35 -0400 I would like to announce that I have completed an extensive revision of my web site. Added small thumbnails in place of the text links on the home page; replaced some old images with new ones; added an entirely new page featuring some spirals based on two of Sylvie Gallet's wonderful formulas; improved the appearance of the large images linked to the thumbnails; in an effort to reduce load time I reduced both the size and in some cases the number of thumbnails; added a link to my new web site devoted to photography - my other diversion - which though not complete yet, is at least presentable. Your comments, both critical and otherwise, are welcome. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: July 6, 1998 Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: July 3, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 14 more pars(mandel fnfn) Date: 08 Jul 1998 04:22:54 EDT Here's more of the *same but different* stuff again!......Enjoy~ Jim ***************************************************************** mnfn01b1 { ; 0:02:05.78 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/07/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-1.84327705685618600/+0.00000000000000222/0.8464247/1/90 params=0.303/0/0.233 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=and inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=200EC_ECaDDc<2>F8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9\ <3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6\ >lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEM\ WCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>\ `RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<11>ECZ } mnfn01b2 { ; 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0:02:18.30 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/07/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-8.7972/3.19744e-014/0.09450605/1/90 params=1.1112/0/0.05 float=y bailoutest=manh inside=bof60 outside=real invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=000<3>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<14>899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5>eyj<11>PjZNhYM\ gXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>WRC<14>NVQjyo<11>ulLvkIwjFxhC951<5>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1\ E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaFe<8>fUL787<4>eoe<12>_VSZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It31\ 85<5>7t`<11>aiYchXfgXifWgbT<7>WA8R85TGB_OGkWM<10>tJ9 } mnfn01b8 { ; 0:00:59.49 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/07/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-9.34671/2.4869e-014/0.0795334/1/90 params=1.1112/0/0.125 float=y maxiter=25 bailoutest=manh inside=bof60 outside=atan invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=000prY<7>xhC951<5>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaFe<8>fUL787\ <4>eoe<12>_VSZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It3185<5>7t`<11>aiYchXfgXifWgbT<7>\ WA8R85TGB_OGkWM<10>tJ99BA<2>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<14>899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5\ >eyj<11>PjZNhYMgXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>WRC<14>NVQjyo<5>os` } mnfn01b9 { ; 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0:04:12.05 map by Sylvie Gallet ; 7/07/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=0.891862/0/0.03/1/90 params=1.12/0/0.08500000000000009 float=y maxiter=50 bailout=300 bailoutest=real inside=bof61 outside=atan invert=1/-0.9/0 periodicity=0 colors=000XlW<12>3SI0QG0OE<3>2F83D75A5<3>A00<5>dU0jZ0oc0uh0zm0<6>zU0<6>H\ 40<2>A4773A73C<6>39Q2AS3CT<13>E`hFbiGdi<3>JklKmmJkj<10>9NJ8LG7JE6GB5E86G\ 9<11>GZJH`KIbLJdMKfNLhM<12>wt1<12>DVF<3>CQDCPCCNBCMACLABJ9<4>BG8AF7AE79D\ 6DE6<5>aLBeMCgODjQF<13>xnGypGzrF<2>ztWyt`yufxukxvqwww<9>kNNjJJhFFgBBf88d\ 44c00<6>P00M00K00H00K21<8>hO6kQ6nT7qW8<2>zbA<9>zzc<4>fqZaoY_mX } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 08 Jul 1998 10:52:32 -0500 Where do I find this app? nuke ---------- > From: Kragen > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 5:14 PM > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > > Is it possible to edit the L-System code in Fractint to allow different > > thicknesses of line? > > Sure. Download frasrc*.zip and go! > > Kragen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 08 Jul 1998 12:55:50 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > > Sure. Download frasrc*.zip and go! > Where do I find this app? Instead of asking me, look here: . Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 17 more pars(mandel fnfn) Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:15:34 EDT Here's some more images....some are kind of plain, but I used epsiloncross and bof61 for a change on a few of them.......Enjoy~ Jim ps ~ I'll switch to a different fractal type next time ************************************************************************** mnfn1b15 { ; 0:01:26.39 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/08/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-0.778595/3.73035e-014/0.1340051/1/90 params=1.12/0/0.08500000000000009 float=y maxiter=50 bailout=300 bailoutest=real inside=bof61 outside=atan invert=1/-0.606/0 periodicity=0 colors=000i_b<15>tnN<2>wbXsZV<6>pf_og`meZ<13>H37<14>biN<11>xgT<4>biW<13>\ rsittjsti<12>WoTUnRTmR<23>6OD<3>KYQ866<5>ukj<11>qpmpqnpqnoroqso<6>xskztj\ ysi<36>LE5JC3KC5<13>rgc<8>eXRcWPbVOaTN_SLZRKXPI<11>cSbcTddTfeUheVg<3>hZc } mnfn1b16 { ; 0:01:32.98 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/08/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-1.33779/1.06581e-014/0.1179245/1/90 params=0.8/0/0.08500000000000009 float=y maxiter=50 bailout=300 bailoutest=real inside=bof61 outside=atan invert=1/-0.606/0 periodicity=0 colors=000ogU<6>tnN<2>wbXsZV<6>pf_og`meZ<13>H37<14>biN<11>xgT<4>biW<13>r\ sittjsti<12>WoTUnRTmR<23>6OD<3>KYQ866<5>ukj<11>qpmpqnpqnoroqso<6>xskztjy\ si<36>LE5JC3KC5<13>rgc<8>eXRcWPbVOaTN_SLZRKXPI<11>cSbcTddTfeUheVg<12>nfV } mnfn1b17 { ; 0:01:29.74 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/08/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=-1.33779/1.06581e-014/0.1179245/1/90 params=0.8/0/0.08500000000000009 float=y maxiter=50 bailout=4 bailoutest=real inside=bof61 outside=atan invert=1/-0.606/0 periodicity=0 colors=000ntb<9>xhC951<5>z`C<13>_eMYfNXdL1E5<2>7uM<13>XG_ZDaaFe<8>fUL787\ <4>eoe<12>_VSZTRYRPYQN<3>UJDcQHmXM<12>It3185<5>7t`<11>aiYchXfgXifWgbT<7>\ WA8R85TGB_OGkWM<10>tJ99BA<2>`je<12>WNH632<3>WHC<14>899<3>ehj<12>rVA686<5\ >eyj<11>PjZNhYMgXKeWMdU<3>UZK863<2>WRC<14>NVQjyo<3>mue } mnfn1b18 { ; 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0:01:04.04 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/08/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=t center-mag=+1.80635469913045700/+0.00000000000002309/0.3664933/1/90 params=-1/0/0.02500000000000002 float=y maxiter=50 bailout=300 bailoutest=and inside=epsiloncross outside=atan invert=1/-0.303/0 periodicity=0 colors=200qp_zye<10>zOC796CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>\ Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<1\ 1>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``W\ ZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH\ <13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<3>hgU } mnfn1b31 { ; 0:01:10.80 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/08/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=mandel(fn||fn) function=exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=+1.86336321070234900/+0.00000000000001288/0.3405647/1/90 params=-1/0/0.05000000000000002 float=y maxiter=100 bailoutest=real inside=epsiloncross invert=1/-0.303/0 periodicity=0 colors=000xs0<12>jB0i70f70<14>000<15>S5N<15>zz0<14>ZZ8XX8VW8TU8RS8<2>LM6\ JK6HI6FG6DF5<2>795574354033077<10>3nn3rr5nr7jr9frBbr<3>Qzb<9>zz0<6>z_S<5\ >zD4z90x87<3>m3bj1jf1f<10>000<15>0f0<15>zz0<15>zzz<15>000<12>TN0WO0YQ0`S\ 0aU0<14>zz0yw0 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.8 Date: 08 Jul 1998 20:39:01 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be contacted at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Thursday July 8th, 20:37 GMT+1 (CET). Many thanx go to Paul N. Lee for tracking a lot of names. Added a lot of names since Rev.7. Allison, Linda 12189253 Gumbycat gumbycat@ix.netcom.com Baker, Art 265357 Art art@ayb.com Bell, Michael 11379737 Mike (*) mbell@forfree.at Best, Anthony 4259982 Nizzt nizzt@xmission.com Bornemeier, Phil 5550414 Phil pbornem@exis.net Burger, Jacco 5848993 Jacco Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Burnett, David 3283800 db davidb@clairvision.org Burnett, David 11070869 db davidb@clairvision.org Bushta, Greg 507219 Japan gbushta@zapcom.net Calpini, Aldo 3093078 dada dada@romagiubileo.it Calpini, Francesco 187351 ManniX mannix@divinf.it Camp, Jonathan 3475340 descartes (*) jon.camp@valpo.edu Castells, Jaime 1406374 Jaime jaime@one.net Costa, Luis Ricardo 4111347 Spielberg (*) luisrmcosta@gyral.com Courteau, Éric 279964 eric ecourteau@cplus.fr Courteau, Éric 2594758 doudou ecourteau@cplus.fr Derbyshire, Paul 10423848 Kydaimon (*) pderbysh@usa.net Drozdis, Marie 13510833 Marie mariedrozdis@worldnet.att.net Duhan, Andrew 10363110 Felix (* - Master) aduhan@ttu.edu Dukay, Alex 8515817 dukay@interlog.com Evans, John 14618659 Violet jwevans@clara.net Fetting, Jon 4024153 tfo t.f.o.@arl.com Finnis, Tony 3142165 fatman amf@sa.apana.org.au Forbus, David 2512475 forbus forbus@idt.net Gavin, Peter 7560538 Pete pgavin@mindspring.com Gibbs, Dorothy 1237263 Dorothy dorothy.gibbs@pandbox.demon.co.uk Grasso, Nick 12471014 Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Hamilton, Robi 3786943 robih@interlog.com Hyde, Blake 5411598 Syrion bhyde@connectu.net Jones, Brian E. 2592938 Chaz Wazzer bejones@netunlimited.net Jones, Ralph E. 11903613 rjones@cgocable.net Landrum, Chris 11989523 Raine raine2@hotmail.com Lauer, Brad 2740132 Clear Waters lauer@trib.infi.net Lee, Paul N. 8804332 Nahee (*) Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Mackey, Chris 5517259 Maxx c.mackey@latrobe.edu.au Margolis, Bob 11924047 rttyman@wwa.com Mercier, Irénée 7217822 Hibou irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca Misterio', John C.A. 13157125 John C.A. Misterio' (*) jca@gmx.net Mitchell, Cindy 2004028 cindy cindym@vegasnet.net Moberg, Jonas 6024576 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Moberg, Jonas 9808670 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Neal, Tom 6090016 tom trneal@ix.netcom.com Nguyen, Nhan 341018 Lavondyss nguy0505@tc.umn.edu Nikerel, Ilkem Emrah 5795106 Klark gauss@turk.net Parker, Thaddaeus 3304633 (*) thaddparker@usa.net Perez, Ramiro 5281899 huor rperez@ns.pa Peteri, Gedeon 4831489 gedeon@InfoAve.Net Piottukh, Vadim 1972851 Vadim piottukh@nioch.nsc.ru Preslar, Janet 11747009 Jani preslar@memphisonline.com Scholl, Alan 12952218 swordas scholla@konnections.com Schoonmaker, Andrew 2840835 Neon Elephant neon@eskimo.com Schulze, Wilfried 3466538 doc smd@sik.de Simpson, Earl 2151865 GreyFox esimpn@intcomm.net Stein, Jared 14590398 JSPent JSPent@aol.com Strik, D. Christian L. 11760568 Meltdown (*) cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Wilczynski, Angela 503044 wizzle wizzle@cci-internet.com Wilczynski, Angela 1205072 wizzle wizzle@beachnet.com Wilson, John 14386215 (*) johnw@netpointer.com An asterisk (*) behind a nickname indicates that person is a member of the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be done to the list, but I prefer corrections to be sent to cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Also, if you have a more than one ICQ number and don't use one of them, or just want your name removed from the list - just send me a mail. Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:55:01 +0100 Kragen wrote: >I'm not entirely happy with lsys's output here; f+f will always >generate a (greater or lesser) crack on the right side. If I'm right with what you mean by 'crack', fractint does the same. I noticed a line that wasn't fully horizontal with your double_snowflake (although i don't know whether this had an f+f in it). Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:56:58 +0100 Kragen wrote: >I think some L-system stuff can be pretty; it'd be nice if we had more >powerful primitives -- fill polygon, for example. Well, yes, but this example hasn't anything to do with 'fractals', I suppose. No offense :) Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:43:46 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > Kragen wrote: > >I think some L-system stuff can be pretty; it'd be nice if we had more > >powerful primitives -- fill polygon, for example. > > Well, yes, but this example hasn't anything to do with 'fractals', I > suppose. Sure it does. Have you looked at the L-systems in fractint? How about the ones at ? They're fractal, all right. > No offense :) No offense taken. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.8 - Again! Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:01:36 +0100 A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be contacted at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Thursday July 8th, 21:01 GMT+1 (CET). Many thanx go to Paul N. Lee for tracking a lot of names. Added a lot of names since Rev.7. I'll soon be posting Rev.9 - just got a message by Paul N. Lee he had an update. Thanx again. Allison, Linda 12189253 Gumbycat gumbycat@ix.netcom.com Baker, Art 265357 Art art@ayb.com Bell, Michael 11379737 * Mike mbell@forfree.at Best, Anthony 4259982 Nizzt nizzt@xmission.com Bornemeier, Phil 5550414 Phil pbornem@exis.net Burger, Jacco 5848993 Jacco Jacco.Burger@kabelfoon.nl Burnett, David 3283800 db davidb@clairvision.org Burnett, David 11070869 db davidb@clairvision.org Bushta, Greg 507219 Japan gbushta@zapcom.net Calpini, Aldo 3093078 dada dada@romagiubileo.it Calpini, Francesco 187351 ManniX mannix@divinf.it Camp, Jonathan 3475340 * descartes jon.camp@valpo.edu Castells, Jaime 1406374 Jaime jaime@one.net Costa, Luis Ricardo 4111347 * Spielberg luisrmcosta@gyral.com Courteau, Éric 279964 eric ecourteau@cplus.fr Courteau, Éric 2594758 doudou ecourteau@cplus.fr Derbyshire, Paul 10423848 * Kydaimon pderbysh@usa.net Drozdis, Marie 13510833 Marie mariedrozdis@worldnet.att.net Duhan, Andrew 10363110 M Felix aduhan@ttu.edu Dukay, Alex 8515817 dukay@interlog.com Evans, John 14618659 Violet jwevans@clara.net Fetting, Jon 4024153 tfo t.f.o.@arl.com Finnis, Tony 3142165 fatman amf@sa.apana.org.au Forbus, David 2512475 forbus forbus@idt.net Gavin, Peter 7560538 Pete pgavin@mindspring.com Gibbs, Dorothy 1237263 Dorothy dorothy.gibbs@pandbox.demon.co.uk Grasso, Nick 12471014 Nick nick.grasso@hrads.com Hamilton, Robi 3786943 robih@interlog.com Hyde, Blake 5411598 Syrion bhyde@connectu.net Jones, Brian E. 2592938 Chaz Wazzer bejones@netunlimited.net Jones, Ralph E. 11903613 rjones@cgocable.net Landrum, Chris 11989523 Raine raine2@hotmail.com Lauer, Brad 2740132 Clear Waters lauer@trib.infi.net Lee, Paul N. 8804332 * Nahee Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Mackey, Chris 5517259 Maxx c.mackey@latrobe.edu.au Margolis, Bob 11924047 rttyman@wwa.com Mercier, Irénée 7217822 Hibou irenee@boisfrancs.qc.ca Misterio', John C.A. 13157125 * John C.A. Misterio jca@gmx.net Mitchell, Cindy 2004028 cindy cindym@vegasnet.net Moberg, Jonas 6024576 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Moberg, Jonas 9808670 midas jonas.moberg@mailbox.swipnet.se Neal, Tom 6090016 tom trneal@ix.netcom.com Nguyen, Nhan 341018 Lavondyss nguy0505@tc.umn.edu Nikerel, Ilkem Emrah 5795106 Klark gauss@turk.net Parker, Thaddaeus 3304633 * thaddparker@usa.net Perez, Ramiro 5281899 huor rperez@ns.pa Peteri, Gedeon 4831489 gedeon@InfoAve.Net Piottukh, Vadim 1972851 Vadim piottukh@nioch.nsc.ru Preslar, Janet 11747009 Jani preslar@memphisonline.com Scholl, Alan 12952218 swordas scholla@konnections.com Schoonmaker, Andrew 2840835 Neon Elephant neon@eskimo.com Schulze, Wilfried 3466538 doc smd@sik.de Simpson, Earl 2151865 GreyFox esimpn@intcomm.net Stein, Jared 14590398 JSPent JSPent@aol.com Strik, D. Christian L. 11760568 * Meltdown cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Wilczynski, Angela 503044 wizzle wizzle@cci-internet.com Wilczynski, Angela 1205072 wizzle wizzle@beachnet.com Wilson, John 14386215 * johnw@netpointer.com An asterisk (*) behind an ICQ # indicates that person is a member of the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This list may seem to have a bad lay-out if you're e-mail reader is using a variable-width font (like Microsoft products do). For a good overview, you might have to cut and paste into a text editor. Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be done to the list, but I prefer corrections to be sent to cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Also, if you have a more than one ICQ number and don't use one of them, or just want your name removed from the list - just send me a mail. Or if you need a repost. Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 08 Jul 1998 15:12:11 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > Kragen wrote: > >I'm not entirely happy with lsys's output here; f+f will always > >generate a (greater or lesser) crack on the right side. > > If I'm right with what you mean by 'crack', fractint does the same. I > noticed a line that wasn't fully horizontal with your double_snowflake > (although i don't know whether this had an f+f in it). Sounds like a rounding error, and it's a little different from what I was talking about. Did you look at fltree.pdf? If you draw L-system lines as rectangles, and put the centers of the short sides of the rectangles in the same place when the lines they represent are coterminal, then when the lines are at a bit of an angle to one another, the short sides of the rectangles representing them will have the supplement of that angle between them. It makes it look like somebody's been trying to chop down the tree, and is about half done. PostScript has ways of handling this, but they don't work for lines that change width and branch. LParser seems to have a solution. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:16:20 -0500 I was under the impression that fractals were supposed to represent naturally occurring systems (if that's the right terminology...) So, I would think that if a line could be fattened up to draw a tree trunk then that would be a better fractal. yes? AAAAnnnyway. Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? Is there any interest for another one? nuke. ---------- > From: Christian Strik > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 2:56 PM > > Kragen wrote: >.... Well, yes, but this example hasn't anything to do with 'fractals', I > suppose. > No offense :) > > Christian > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Camp" Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 12:33:42 -0700 > AAAAnnnyway. > Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? > Is there any interest for another one? > > nuke. I'd be interested in one.... | jon camp | | valparaiso univerisity <>< | | chaotic n-space network | | http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/fractals_gate.html | Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 12:45:31 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Jon Camp wrote: > > > AAAAnnnyway. > > Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? > > Is there any interest for another one? > > > > nuke. > > I'd be interested in one.... > > | jon camp | A couple have been suggested, but there was no general uproar of support for either. My idea was to showcase coloring methods by having everyone render the same 3 fractals (a Mandelbrot zoom, one Julia with a "lake" and one Julia dust). This would show methods that work better for interior areas, exterior areas, and any that may work better on Mandelbrots than Julias (or vice versa). Kerry Mitchell Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 08 Jul 1998 15:00:34 -0500 The original contest was intended to settle the "whether fractals are art" debate. So, everyone was bound to the "contest fractal formula". Perhaps it would be good to have a contest where each contestant is allowed to submit one original fractal. If we got the same support for posting the images and the contest program that we had the first time (thanks to everyone again!) it might be a lot of fun! comments? nuke. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) Double mail Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:14:11 +0100 I'm receiving some of the mail twice. Especially from Kragen, but also from others. Is this just for me? Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) anti aliasing Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:11:42 +0100 On my website (URL http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm ) you can compare three of my original images to the anti-aliased versions. They all are in Gallery 1(' Wastatnâh' , ' Manneke' and ' Linda's Snoepje' ). So you can have a look for yourself, and you might even consider trying this technique for your own images! Wâ sèn dè nâh wir foar titels? - North-East Brabantian dialect :) Christian (Dutch) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:08:19 +0100 It isn't an app really - it's the fractint source code. If you meant changing linewidth from within fractint, I'm afraid you can't. Christian >Where do I find this app? >nuke > >---------- >> From: Kragen >> To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals >> Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 5:14 PM >> >> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: >> > Is it possible to edit the L-System code in Fractint to allow >different >> > thicknesses of line? >> >> Sure. Download frasrc*.zip and go! >> >> Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Double mail Date: 08 Jul 1998 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > I'm receiving some of the mail twice. Especially from Kragen, but also from > others. Is this just for me? Two causes: - sometimes I send mail to you and CC the list, or vice versa. - sometimes one person will send to fractint@xmission.com; the list adds reply-to: fractint@lists.xmission.com. I usually reply to all recipients, so two copies go to the list. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractals Date: 08 Jul 1998 16:21:03 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > It isn't an app really - it's the fractint source code. If you meant > changing linewidth from within fractint, I'm afraid you can't. When he said "edit the L-System code in Fractint", I assumed he knew that meant hacking the source. > >> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > >> > Is it possible to edit the L-System code in Fractint to allow > >different > >> > thicknesses of line? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: Re: (fractint) Double mail Date: 08 Jul 1998 13:31:38 -0700 I'm receiving a lot of my mail twice too but not just from Kragen, so it's not you. Faye -----Original Message----- >I'm receiving some of the mail twice. Especially from Kragen, but also from >others. Is this just for me? > >Christian > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.8 - on the web Date: 08 Jul 1998 22:55:36 +0100 >Allison, Linda 12189253 Gumbycat >gumbycat@ix.netcom.com Damn, again stripped. Hate that. Anyway, the list can at any time be found at: come.to/fractinticq Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 17:03:12 -0400 At 02:16 PM 7/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >AAAAnnnyway. >Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? >Is there any interest for another one? > >nuke. 1: No. 2: Yes. davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Double mail Date: 08 Jul 1998 17:04:01 -0400 At 09:14 PM 7/8/1998 +0100, you wrote: >I'm receiving some of the mail twice. Especially from Kragen, but also from >others. Is this just for me? > >Christian No. davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 08 Jul 1998 18:37:22 -0400 (EDT) At 02:16 PM 7/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? No. >Is there any interest for another one? Some, but I feel not enough. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Hine" Subject: (fractint) Symmetry Recognition Date: 08 Jul 1998 19:02:08 -0400 Howdy all, I'm trying to design an algorithm to add to my Deeper program (see http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/+AH4-jason/personal/deeper.html for the details) which will make the program able to recognize points on the screen which are likely (or not likely) to be/contain mini-Mandys. In order to do this, the algorithm must be able to recognize points on the screen around which features are arranged symmetrically, or Centers-of-Symmetry (COS). The center of an everlasting spiral is a COS, as is a barely-visible (or not-yet-visible+ACE-) mini-Mandy, the latter being surrounded by features showing a radial symmetry. The problem my mind is currently gnawing on is this: how should I / can I record the COS info for a given screen? If anyone here has any ideas, I'd be delighted to hear them, but just getting my thoughts out on paper also helps. Questions and other suggestions also welcome. Cheers+ACE- Jason Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Gilman Subject: Re: (fractint) Symmetry Recognition Date: 08 Jul 1998 16:17:00 -0700 >Howdy all, > >I'm trying to design an algorithm to add to my Deeper program (see >http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/+AH4-jason/personal/deeper.html >for the details) which will make the program able to recognize points on the >screen which are likely (or not likely) to be/contain mini-Mandys. In >order to >do this, the algorithm must be able to recognize points on the screen around >which features are arranged symmetrically, or Centers-of-Symmetry (COS). The >center of an everlasting spiral is a COS, as is a barely-visible (or >not-yet-visible+ACE-) mini-Mandy, the latter being surrounded by features >showing a >radial symmetry. > >The problem my mind is currently gnawing on is this: how should I / can I >record >the COS info for a given screen? If anyone here has any ideas, I'd be >delighted >to hear them, but just getting my thoughts out on paper also helps. >Questions >and other suggestions also welcome. Cheers+ACE- > >Jason To view the webpage, just replace "+AH4-" with "~" (that's a tilde). Yours, Tim http://www.wcpagren.org/tim/macfract/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: (fractint) web par Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:45:20 -0400 The following par is generated from a very slight modification of one of Damien's frms, dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst. The modification is the following line: _done = done + 2 ; Done two more iterations_. In the original frm the line reads: _done = done + 1 ; done one more iteration_. I am not sure how significant the change has effected the frm. The image, I think, is worth a quick look... :) ==========================================================================> web { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jul 08, 1998 t=0:08:28.06 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; color map: dsgoldsi reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst1 passes=t center-mag=+0.01348973607038180/-0.65534550195567180/266.6667 params=0/0/20/50/256/128 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=maxiter outside=summ colors=000444333111A20<<10>yhW<<22>A20111<<32>zzw<<22>111MC7<<6>yhW<<14>A20000\ <<55>000000111222<<36>zzw<<39>666 ===========================================================================> Times New Roman dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst1 { ; outside = real: closest z[n] to cross at p1 ; this frm modified slightly by David Shanholtzer, 1998 ; original frm: dmj-Mand-Pls-Dst by Damien M. Jones IF (imag(p2) == 0) ; Invalid value for aspect ratio. p2 = (0,1) + real(p2) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (real(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for color scale. p3 = 75 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF IF (imag(p3) == 0) ; Invalid value for bailout. p3 = (0,128) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value. ENDIF closest = 1e+38 ; Closest approach so far. point = 0 ; Point of that closest approach. done = 2 ; Iteration counter. r = (0,1) ^ (real(p2)/90) ; Compute rotation vector. z = 0, c = pixel: ; Mandelbrot initialization. z = sqr(z) + c ; Mandelbrot calculation. done = done + 2 ; Done two more iterations. z2 = (z-p1) * r ; Offset to p1 and rotate. d = abs(imag(z2)) ; First distance. d2 = abs(real(z2)*imag(p2)) ; Second distance. IF (d2 << d) ; Second distance is closer. d = d2 ; Use it instead. ENDIF IF (d << closest) ; Closer than previous value. point = z ; Save that point. closest = d ; Save the closest approach. ENDIF IF (|z| > imag(p3)) ; Point exceeds bailout. z = closest * real(p3) ; Apply color scale. z = z - 255*trunc(z/real(255)) ; Wrap at 255. z = z - done ; Return value. done = -1 ; Set flag to force an exit. ENDIF done >= 0 ; Continue if the flag is clear. } davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) web par Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:08:33 -0500 David, Quick inspection indicates that the change shouldn't alter the output of the formula. The "done" variable is just used as a flag variable; only for -I versions of the formula (which count iterations to stop before the last one is done) does the actual value matter, or -Itr versions which actually use the iteration number in coloring. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) web par Date: 08 Jul 1998 22:22:00 -0400 At 09:08 PM 7/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Damien - > >Quick inspection indicates that the change shouldn't alter the output of >the formula. (snipped) >Damien M. Jones Thanks for info. I did not think there would be any difference, or if there was it would be too insignificant to notice. You clarified that for me nicely. Hope you liked the image...I've been in something of a tinkering mode lately... :) davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Double messages Date: 08 Jul 1998 20:01:55 -0700 I have been getting double messages quite often - and also, mostly from Kragen. I don't mind, mind you, but am just responding to the inquiry. Ray Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel H. J. Long" Subject: (fractint) RE: disk-video problems Date: 09 Jul 1998 08:07:58 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Thanks to everyone who helped sort me out on this one. I have decided to keep 'askvideo=n' in SSTOOLS.INI, and use the command whenever I need to restore gifs saved under disk-video modes. This now works well - and I have created a disk-video mode big enough for anti-aliasing...... but that's another topic. Nigel ---------------------- Nigel H. J. Long n.h.long@soton.ac.uk Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Hine" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tildes and such Date: 09 Jul 1998 05:30:23 -0400 Yesterday, I wrote >>Howdy all, >> >>I'm trying to design an algorithm to add to my Deeper program (see >>http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/+AH4-jason/personal/deeper.html And Tim most helpfully pointed out > >To view the webpage, just replace "+AH4-" with "~" (that's a tilde). > >Yours, >Tim >http://www.wcpagren.org/tim/macfract/ It's off-topic, yes, but anyone found a simple solution to this MS Outlook ~!'&* nastiness??? Many thanks, less punctuation, Jason Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Tildes and such Date: 09 Jul 1998 07:14:01 -0500 Jason Hine wrote: > > It's off-topic, yes, but anyone found a simple solution > to this MS Outlook ~!'&* nastiness??? > I noticed the original post had the following: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" and this one had: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 08:00:27 -0700 I was going to ask also when our next contest was going to be. I had an absolute ball with the last one. Since we've had so many fabulous formulas this year, I suggest a two step approach. 1. Formula contest (haven't figured out the rules yet) 2. Image contest based on winning formula with categories this time, i.e. funniest, most gynecological, best in show, etc. Angela aka wizzle Lee Newsted wrote: > > I was under the impression that fractals were supposed to represent > naturally occurring systems (if that's the right terminology...) So, I > would think that if a line could be fattened up to draw a tree trunk then > that would be a better fractal. yes? > > AAAAnnnyway. > Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? > Is there any interest for another one? > > nuke. > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 08:10:11 -0700 Kerry... That definetly sounds like a fun challenge to me .....I think.....not sure what you mean about julia lakes and dust. Angela aka wizzle Kerry Mitchell wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Jon Camp wrote: > > > > > > AAAAnnnyway. > > > Has there been another fractal contest since the first one? > > > Is there any interest for another one? > > > > > > nuke. > > > > I'd be interested in one.... > > > > | jon camp | > > A couple have been suggested, but there was no general uproar of support > for either. My idea was to showcase coloring methods by having everyone > render the same 3 fractals (a Mandelbrot zoom, one Julia with a "lake" and > one Julia dust). This would show methods that work better for interior > areas, exterior areas, and any that may work better on Mandelbrots than > Julias (or vice versa). > > Kerry Mitchell > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:04:47 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > 1. Formula contest (haven't figured out the rules yet) > 2. Image contest based on winning formula with categories this time, i.e. > funniest, most gynecological, best in show, etc. "Most gynecological"? Wizzle, you're a hoot. :) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > Kerry... > > That definetly sounds like a fun challenge to me .....I think.....not sure > what you mean about julia lakes and dust. > > Kerry Mitchell wrote: > > > > render the same 3 fractals (a Mandelbrot zoom, one Julia with a "lake" and > > one Julia dust). This would show methods that work better for interior Julia sets from points inside the Mandelbrot set have a single continuous "lake", much like the Mandelbrot lake, with a nonzero area. Julia sets from points outside the Mandelbrot set contain only single isolated points, known as a Cantor dust. btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a boundary of an interval. Am I missing something? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 10:14:48 -0500 That sounds like a good idea, but how would a formula be judged? Neatness? :) nuke. ---------- > From: Angela Wilczynski > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:00 AM > > > ...1. Formula contest (haven't figured out the rules yet)... > Angela aka wizzle > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 10:25:57 -0500 uh, I think I saw the belly of it flying over... no, I missed it completely... nuke ---------- > From: Kragen > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal > Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:10 AM > > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > Kerry... > > > > That definetly sounds like a fun challenge to me .....I think.....not sure > > what you mean about julia lakes and dust. > > > > Kerry Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > render the same 3 fractals (a Mandelbrot zoom, one Julia with a "lake" and > > > one Julia dust). This would show methods that work better for interior > > Julia sets from points inside the Mandelbrot set have a single > continuous "lake", much like the Mandelbrot lake, with a nonzero area. > Julia sets from points outside the Mandelbrot set contain only single > isolated points, known as a Cantor dust. > > btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It > seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're > constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, > cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only > points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the > intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some > integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer > number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the > eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a > boundary of an interval. > > Am I missing something? > > Kragen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:29:28 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > uh, > I think I saw the belly of it flying over... > no, I missed it completely... > > > > Julia sets from points inside the Mandelbrot set have a single > > continuous "lake", much like the Mandelbrot lake, with a nonzero area. > > Julia sets from points outside the Mandelbrot set contain only single > > isolated points, known as a Cantor dust. This should be pretty easy to see: set inside=0, outside=1, and look at several Julia sets. Look at a bunch from points inside the Mandelbrot set, and a bunch from points outside. (Preferably not too far outside. The Julia sets of points too far outside are empty.) You should be able to see the difference. > > btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It > > seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're > > constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, > > cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only > > points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the > > intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some > > integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer > > number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the > > eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a > > boundary of an interval. This is probably only interesting if you know what I'm talking about. :) Try a web search for aleph cantor infinit*. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 10:45:30 -0500 I think it would be a terrible shame to exclude users of other fractal software from the next contest. Because the last contest was restricted to a specific formula, it was pretty much required that it be FractInt-only... but it would be nice to accept entries created with anything. (Especially since that lets Mac users participate, too.) I like Angela's idea of categories. I have space to host the entries. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:14:40 -0500 Officer thinking! ---------- > From: Damien M. Jones > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest > Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:45 AM > > I think it would be a terrible shame to exclude users of other fractal > software from the next contest. Because the last contest was restricted to > a specific formula, it was pretty much required that it be FractInt-only... > but it would be nice to accept entries created with anything. (Especially > since that lets Mac users participate, too.) > > I like Angela's idea of categories. > > I have space to host the entries. > > Damien M. Jones \\ > dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) > \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 12:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Kragen wrote: > btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It > seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're > constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, > cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only > points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the > intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some > integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer > number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the > eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a > boundary of an interval. I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean by "the only points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries." I mean, you construct the dust by removing the middle thirds of the intervals... oh, perhaps I do follow. While I can't quite think of what's wrong with this argument, do you accept the argument that Cantor dusts have a finite area? If you take the limit of the area of the black boxes as n (number of iterations) goes to infinity, you get a finite number. That means that, in a sense, you could recombine all the points in the dust to form a square, and a square certainly has aleph-1 points in it. Think of the Cantor dust in one dimension (on a line.) On the nth iteration, you create 2^n new boundary points, right? so that seems countable. But then in two dimensions, you create 2^n boundary _lines_. Ah, maybe that's it. Your boundary points are actually lines, each of which itself has aleph-1 points on it. Maybe? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Stanton" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:59:56 +0100 > btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It > seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're > constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, > cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only > points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the > intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some > integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer > number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the > eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a > boundary of an interval. > > Am I missing something? > > Kragen Strange! I always thought Cantor dusts had aleph-one points but your argument is persuasive. The number of end points after n steps is equal to (n+2)^2. At the limit n=aleph-null the number of points equal (aleph-null+2)^2 which is of course equal to aleph-null. Thank you for your insight. Cheers Geoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Stanton" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:12:54 +0100 I (stupidly) wrote >Strange! I always thought Cantor dusts had aleph-one points but your >argument is persuasive. >The number of end points after n steps is equal to (n+2)^2. At the >limit n=aleph-null the number of points >equal (aleph-null+2)^2 which is of course equal to aleph-null. >Thank you for your insight. >Cheers >Geoff I of course meant(2^n) and (2^aleph-null)=aleph-null sorry Geoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 09 Jul 1998 12:47:50 -0500 O.K. It seems like we have at least minimal interest, and some pretty good ideas for rules. I say "Let's do it!" How about we start sending in ideas an get this thing rolling! nuke. Any volunteers for self-nominations or regular nominations for "rule emperor"? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Baske" Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:38:01 -0500 By definition (Aleph-null)^2 = Aleph-one. You are not scaling Aleph-null by a finite number, you are squaring it. For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. The number of subsets of Aleph-null is Aleph-one (the 'continuum' infinity (used for counting all line segments, partitions, etc of a line - or counting polygons, surfaces, etc in a real plane) as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real numbers/rationals, etc). From another point of view, the number of steps to produce Cantor dust is enumerable, but the number of points in the dust is Aleph-one (not one-to-one with the rationals). Brian Baske -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Stanton Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 12:00 PM > btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It > seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're > constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, > cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only > points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the > intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some > integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer > number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the > eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a > boundary of an interval. > > Am I missing something? > > Kragen Strange! I always thought Cantor dusts had aleph-one points but your argument is persuasive. The number of end points after n steps is equal to (n+2)^2. At the limit n=aleph-null the number of points equal (aleph-null+2)^2 which is of course equal to aleph-null. Thank you for your insight. Cheers Geoff Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:41:23 -0500 I hesitate to mention this because it may be misconstrued, but if those interested in a contest are serious about including non-FractInt material, I submit that this may not be the list for it. I know several talented fractal artists who do not read this list because they don't use FractInt. The Fractal-Art list may be a better place (and it's primarily that suggestion that makes me hesitant to bring this up). Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Baske" Subject: (fractint) Aleph-null correction Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:49:23 -0500 Last message, typographical error - 'real numbers/rationals' should read 'natural numbers/rationals' ie the 'counting numbers' "as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real numbers/rationals, etc)." Brian Baske Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Brian Baske wrote: > By definition (Aleph-null)^2 = Aleph-one. You are not scaling Aleph-null by > a finite number, you are squaring it. aleph-null^2 != aleph-one. A table with aleph-null rows and aleph-null columns obviously still has aleph-null elements, because they can be numbered like so: 1 3 6 10 . . . 2 5 9 14 . . . 4 8 13 19 . . . 7 12 18 . . . . . . . . . . > For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. 2^n subsets, you mean. 2^n is also the number of n-digit binary numbers. There are clearly aleph-one binary numbers with aleph-null digits, just as there are aleph-one decimal numbers with aleph-null digits, based on Cantor's diagonalization proof. > The number of subsets of > Aleph-null is Aleph-one (the 'continuum' infinity (used for counting all > line segments, partitions, etc of a line - or counting polygons, surfaces, > etc in a real plane) as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real > numbers/rationals, etc). > > From another point of view, the number of steps to produce Cantor dust is > enumerable, but the number of points in the dust is Aleph-one (not > one-to-one with the rationals). Hmm. Well, this makes sense, since the number of points is indeed 2^(number of subdivisions). Suppose I try to make Cantor dust by a different process: instead of subdividing *every* interval on each step, suppose I only subdivide the *largest* interval, by removing a subinterval from the middle of it, dividing the remainder into two subintervals. Then, the number of endpoints becomes only 2*n, if n is the number of times I subdivide (plus one), since I'm adding 2 endpoints at every step. It seems that repeating this process aleph-null times should produce the same structure that the usual Cantor-dust process produces, but if so, it clearly only has aleph-null endpoints. Am I completely mad here? I must have missed something in my assumptions. Another interesting thing: What is the topological dimension of Cantor dust? The sci.fractals FAQ says: A set has topological dimension 0 if every point has arbitrarily small neighborhoods whose boundaries do not intersect the set. This is true of Cantor dust -- for any point in the set, you can find a neighborhood whose boundaries are outside the set, and for any such neighborhood, you can find a smaller one. (Right? This *is* what the definition above is calling for, right?) It would seem that Cantor dust is a bona fide fractal, then. If we do the usual thing of taking out the middle third of the interval at each subdivision step, then by increasing the scale by three, we increase the size by two. (Right?) So the fractal dimension should be log 2 / log 3, or about 0.6309. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Bluestein Subject: Re: (fractint)inkjet, thermal wax,color laser? Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:14:48 -0400 Goodness, gracious, man. How much does this all cost? It sounds fiendishly expensive. Do you own such equipment or is this something that a local print shop would have? What steps would you take to get from the Fractint GIF file to the Kodak or Cymbolic devices that you refer to? Jon Noring wrote: > asked: > > > I suspect some one on the list has done prints of fractals. I'd be very > >interested to hear opinions as to the best method. Some one has suggested to > >me to explore the possibility as they would like to have a few prints, and i'd > >like to give them the best possible image on paper. > > There are essentially two general categories of making prints of fractal > art: ink, and photographic. Ink includes lithographic prints, and ink-jet. > Photographic involves producing a positive or negative transparency using a > Kodak LVT or a Cymbolic Sciences LightJet 2000 and then using photographic > enlarging onto photographic print paper. > > For small runs, I much highly prefer the photographic approach as that > produces a much higher resolution image and *much* broader color gamut. > Unfortunately, inks have limited color gamut, and it is difficult with inks > to accurately reproduce many of the brighter RGB colors fractal artists > often use. In addition, if one uses Ilfochrome or Fuji reversal papers, > the archival life of photographic prints greatly exceeds that of any dye- > based inks (the jury is out on pigment-based inks). The advantage of ink > prints, though, is greater flexibility with regards to the paper itself, as > well as greater familiarity by the public for art on paper rather than on > polyester substrate. > > Once you see a properly made Cibachrome or Fuji super glossy print printed > from an 8x10" Kodak LVT transparency, you'll never want to go back to any > ink-type system -- they are spectacular. Maybe Lee Skinner can comment > since he has first-hand knowledge of this. > > For more information, refer to the Fractal-Art mailing list archives. Damien > Jones can tell you how to access them. (Of course, you *need* to subscribe > to the Fractal-Art mailing list). > > Good luck. > > Jon Noring > "Mr. Kodak LVT/Cibachrome" > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > OmniMedia Digital Publishing | Web: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia > 9671 S. 1600 West St. | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com > South Jordan, UT 84095 | Phone: 801-253-4037 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" -- Barry Bluestein - President The Lapis Group - Information Technology Consultants 11629 Deborah DR, Suite 1000, Potomac, MD 20854 301-299-0083 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 6 pars(August) Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:11:06 EDT Here's a few images I made using Sylvie Gallets August formula.....Enjoy~ Jim ********************************************************************* aug7903 { ; 0:01:08.55 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/09/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_a.frm formulaname=August passes=t center-mag=3.93213/2.13163e-014/0.06639285/1/90 params=30/-1.3 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.2/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000pfk<6>TKaTMaRM_PMX<14>zaW<14>444<12>`W`<13>BGC9EA6C73A4070<11>\ FAYHB`IBcKCfKBg<5>J6mI5nK8l<2>QEi632<8>zWK<13>aR8_Q7_SAZUD<13>3ID0HC0GC<\ 12>023002223<12>cZGfaIibI<5>wmIzoHznH<6>ucLuaLraM<13>8R`<14>JRoFOp<17>Wb\ qWbqYbq<13>zoowlntim } aug7904 { ; 0:01:54.25 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/09/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_a.frm formulaname=August passes=t center-mag=1.30784/2.4869e-014/0.2721018/1/90 params=30/-1.3 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.2/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000ie_<9>baXaaX``W`_W<9>jfekgfkgfkgf<11>niiojjnjgmidlha<7>f_UeZTd\ ZT<13>MWWWZZfba<7>zjo<4>ncjkbijbi<12>OSXMRWMQU<13>L80<2>UG0YJ0`L0dO0gR0<\ 2>rZ0<11>400A00<2>000<15>0pp<9>0LL0HH2II<12>TZVW`WW`W<12>a`Xb_Ya_X<5>aXS\ `WRZUQ<3>PMK<13>m_Qo`Ro`R<13>oeWoeWoeWoeWneX<11>je_ } aug7906 { ; 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0:01:32.00 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/09/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_a.frm formulaname=August passes=t center-mag=-3.86464/7.10543e-015/0.04792899/1/90 params=10/3.1416 float=y maxiter=300 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.9/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000oeW<13>ke_ke_je_ie_<9>baXaaX``W`_W<9>jfekgfkgfkgf<11>niiojjnjg\ midlha<7>f_UeZTdZT<13>MWWWZZfba<7>zjo<4>ncjkbijbi<12>OSXMRWMQU<13>L80<2>\ UG0YJ0`L0dO0gR0<2>rZ0<11>400A00<2>000<15>0pp<9>0LL0HH2II<12>TZVW`WW`W<12\ >a`Xb_Ya_X<5>aXS`WRZUQ<3>PMK<13>m_Qo`Ro`R<12>odV } aug7910 { ; 0:01:34.58 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/09/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_a.frm formulaname=August passes=t center-mag=-6.23715/7.10543e-015/0.04792899/1/90 params=50/0.1 float=y maxiter=300 inside=bof60 invert=1/0.9/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 colors=000obT<6>oeWoeWoeWoeWneX<9>ke_ke_je_ie_<9>baXaaX``W`_W<9>jfekgfkg\ fkgf<11>niiojjnjgmidlha<7>f_UeZTdZT<13>MWWWZZfba<7>zjo<4>ncjkbijbi<12>OS\ XMRWMQU<13>L80<2>UG0YJ0`L0dO0gR0<2>rZ0<11>400A00<2>000<15>0pp<9>0LL0HH2I\ I<12>TZVW`WW`W<12>a`Xb_Ya_X<5>aXS`WRZUQ<3>PMK<13>m_Qo`Ro`R<5>obT } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) PARS Date: 09 Jul 1998 15:02:02 -0700 Here is a par based on the Carr2821 formula- it needs to be run at high res. like all PHC formulas. As usual I couldn't decide on the colors- the par draws kind of slowly but the colors substitute quickly. another_god1 { ; 6-98 kathy roth reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fungus.frm formulaname=carr2821 center-mag=0.028551/0.0200404/1.03687/1/90 params=200/1/100/1 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000OdX<7>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KM\ GFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<15\ >z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>9\ 9J<15>WWz<7>0J9<15>0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz\ 2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<6>MaV } another_god2 { ; droz map colors=000000A3M<3>L8XOAZSC`<10>z\ Wz<15>000A00<10>c00<16>A00000000UDG<8>k\ kk<21>RDL<11>ziF<13>K8C413000<2>BB8E\ FAIIDLLG<10>zyn<15>UMH00000000053M55\ Q<21>5Zm<12>000b`c<5>nru<15>OI5<6>eY\ Jg_LiaNkcPneR<4>zpa<4>jdWgaVcZT`WSYU\ R<6>AAK000 } another_god3 { ; had to do it in plaid ; Kerry Mitchell map colors=23223i6Be23a6BYAJaERYMfY\ IZaIYiMeeQYiUeeQmaUuYQnUUnQUZIQfMMZIIZMMf\ QIZUERQAJU23U6BQ23M6BIAJMERIEJAA\ JE23E6BA236A32EB6I32MB6IJAMREQJAUREUB6Q3\ 2Y32aB6YJAaREeJAiREiB6e32m32qB6u32y26u\ AAy2EqIEmJAmQIqIMuAIy2MuAQy2UqIUmQ\ QiYUeeQiYMeZIafMYZIYnQamUYuYamaYeeaYi\ eeeiYiiYaeeYmQYqIauAYy2auAey2iqIimQ\ emQmqIquAmy2quAuy2yq2ymAui2yeAuiIqeQm\ aIqYQmYAua2yU2yQAuUIqQQmMIqIQmIAuM2\ yE2yAAu62y23u6Bq23mAJmEIqERiAJe6Bi23\ e6Ba23YAJYERaIZYMfaIZeMYiQeeUYiUmaQn\ YUvUQnQUfMQZIMfMIZIIZQMfUERUAJQ6BU23\ Q6BM23IAJIERMEREAJA6BE23A6B6632AB6E3\ 2M32IB6IREMJAQREUJAQB6U32a32YB6YREaJA\ eREiJAeB6i32mB6q32y22uA6y2AuAEqIAmQ\ EmQMqIIy2IuAMy2QuAUqIQmQUeeUiYQiYIe\ eMaZIYfMamQYuUamYYmaYYiaeeeYiiYeeeaiY\ YmQaqIYy2YuAay2euAiqIemQimIqqImy2mu\ Aqy2uu2yqAum2ye2yiAuiQmeIqaQmYIqaAuY2\ yQ2yUAuUQmQIqMQmIIqMAuI2yEAuA2y22y\ 6Au23q6BmAIqEQmEReAJi } another_god4 { colors=000VYV<6>kmnfggSRNXWU<3>D9\ 2<3>LG4OI5QK7<12>vlYxn_yo`zpa<14>OI5000\ <27>000<7>KKQNNTQQXTT_VWa<3>dfkginh\ jn<2>kmn<13>OI5<11>pgTriVulYxn_zpa<4>\ jdWgaVcZT`WSYUR<3>KJNHGMGFL<10>7246\ 02702<20>Q08R09S09T0AU0A<6>`0Da0Db2D<\ 14>zVF<10>hAEaI9<6>xTF<8>H3AC099\ 08<6>KBDMDEMFF<2>MMILPKNRMQTPSWS } frm:carr2821 { ; Modified Sylvie Gallet frm. [101324,3444],1996 ; Converted to if.else by Sylvie Gallet and George Martin 3/97 ; passes=1 needs to be used with this PHC formula. pixinv = 0.1/pixel p9 = 0.9*pixinv imagp1 = imag(p1) imagp2 = imag(p2) IF (whitesq) z = zorig = pixel - conj(pixinv) c = pixel - flip(pixinv) - conj(0.01*pixinv) - p9 mz = |z| ELSE c = flip(pixinv) + conj(0.01*pixinv) - pixel - p9 z = zorig = conj(pixinv) - pixel mz = |z| ENDIF bailout = 16 iter = 0 : IF (iter==p1) z = mz = 0 c = 1.5*zorig^1.2 - p9 ELSEIF (iter==imagp1) z = mz = 0 c = 2.25*conj(zorig) - p9 ELSEIF (iter==p2) z = mz = 0 c = 3.375*flip(zorig) - p9 ELSEIF (iter==imagp2) z = mz = 0 c = 5.0625*flip(zorig) - p9 ENDIF z = mz*0.2 + z*z + c mz = |z| iter = iter + 1 mz <= bailout } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:54:37 EDT In a message dated 98-07-09 14:44:57 EDT, you write: << I hesitate to mention this because it may be misconstrued, but if those interested in a contest are serious about including non-FractInt material, I submit that this may not be the list for it. I know several talented fractal artists who do not read this list because they don't use FractInt. The Fractal-Art list may be a better place (and it's primarily that suggestion that makes me hesitant to bring this up). >> What about other software that can use Fracting formulae but generate true color images? Ron Barnett Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:37:26 -0500 Ron, - What about other software that can use Fracting formulae but generate true - color images? My point was, I'd prefer the next contest be open to *all* fractal artists, not just those that use FractInt or FractInt formulas. Yes, there are a few programs that will read FractInt formulas and parameters, and render in true color; there are also programs which aren't even remotely capable of reading FractInt data files. And that's just on the PC; there isn't (yet) a fully functional Mac port of FractInt, so any Mac user wishing to participate would be completely eliminated. But hey, these are just my preferences. If the group decides to focus on FractInt again, I'm not going to go sulk in a corner or something. :-) I was just trying to be considerate of those who don't use FractInt and thus don't participate on this list. Here are my suggestions regarding rules. First, any image from any fractal program using any parameters would be accepted. The only condition be that the image not be post-processed in another program later. (Unless we want to have a category for post-processed fractals?) Reducing image size for purposes of anti-aliasing would not be considered post-processing. Each participant could submit up to three images; parameter files (for whatever software used to produce the image) would be encouraged but not required. Images would be judged by the public, via an e-mail voting system. Selections for "best color", "best shape", "best minibrot", "oddest fractal", "best overall", and any other categories we might come up with... I'd like to see lots of categories, thus lots of potential winners. The names of contest entrants and the parameter files (if provided) would be withheld until the contest is over, to prevent rip-offs and/or biased judging. Obviously some artists' work would be recognizable as such, but this is probably the best that can be done. As I said, I have space to host the contest site. I've not heard any other volunteers in this area. The previous contest site checks in at about 20M; this one would be similar. Thoughts? Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:40:09 -0700 (MST) A Julia "lake" is a large, solid, internal area, similar to the Mandelbrot "lake". It's for the points that get caught in periodic or chaotic orbits, and is the kind of Julia set you get when you take a point from inside the Mandelbrot set. A "dust" is a collection of distinct points that don't touch each other. That's the kind of Julia you get when you use a point outside of the Mandelbrot set for c. Using c=(-0.1,1) in a Julia set will give you a dust. Using c=(-1,0) will give you a Julia with "lakes". Using c=(0,1) will give you a dendrite Julia (c is exactly on the boundary of the Mandelbrot set). Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:00:17 -0700 (MST) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > Here are my suggestions regarding rules. First, any image from any fractal > program using any parameters would be accepted. The only condition be that > the image not be post-processed in another program later. (Unless we want > to have a category for post-processed fractals?) Reducing image size for > purposes of anti-aliasing would not be considered post-processing. Each > participant could submit up to three images; parameter files (for whatever > software used to produce the image) would be encouraged but not required. I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain). I've already posted my suggestions and rationale, so I won't do that again. I also question the prohibition against post-processing. There are many post-processing operations that can be done that are still within the general spirit of fractaling, and some Fractint formulas are approaching painting; I see fractalizing as a holstic endeavor (apply this formula with these colors to every point on the screen), as opposed to painting/retouching (tweak this pixel here, that line there). If the image operations are applied in a similar, whole-image-at-once fashion, I don't see that as being a problem. For example, I often compute 2 fractals, call them A and B. They both have the same computational parameters, but maybe one is an escape-time image and one is a decomposition image. Then, (A+B), (A-B), (A*B) are all "fractal" images, just that they were finished with an image processing program. Long story short--I think the motivation is more important than the tools. > Images would be judged by the public, via an e-mail voting system. > Selections for "best color", "best shape", "best minibrot", "oddest > fractal", "best overall", and any other categories we might come up with... > I'd like to see lots of categories, thus lots of potential winners. Agreed. > The names of contest entrants and the parameter files (if provided) would > be withheld until the contest is over, to prevent rip-offs and/or biased > judging. Obviously some artists' work would be recognizable as such, but > this is probably the best that can be done. Sounds good. > As I said, I have space to host the contest site. I've not heard any other > volunteers in this area. The previous contest site checks in at about 20M; > this one would be similar. I don't have the site-space to host it, but I volunteer to help administer the contest. Kerry Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 19:38:12 -0500 Kerry, - I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any - fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain). :-) But limit in what way? I'm not sure a coloring formula contest is a good idea, because most people simply don't have enough experience in writing formulas to feel they can compete evenly. - I also question the prohibition against post-processing. There - are many post-processing operations that can be done that are still - within the general spirit of fractaling... True. I just wasn't sure how precisely the line would need to be drawn. Processing which applied the same filter to all pixels would probably be acceptable, and that would allow multi-layer fractals. (Which I've used quite a bit since I first saw the technique on your pages.) - Long story short--I think the motivation is more important than the tools. Precisely why I don't want just FractInt users to participate... - I don't have the site-space to host it, but I volunteer to help administer - the contest. OK by me. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) PARS Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:08:04 -0700 Here are some pars from one of Brian E.Jones very cool fungus formulas. The last one is sloo..ooo..ooow. 1fungus { ; re-color fungus08 c. 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Brian E. Jones z = pixel , c = pixel * (whitesq == 0) + (-0.75,0.1234) * whitesq x=imag(c), y=imag(z): x = z + x / fn2(y) y = z + fn1(y) z = z * z + c |z|<4 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 09 Jul 1998 20:06:19 -0500 A few thoughts: 1. Post-Fractal-Generating manipulation would seem to test an individuals ability to use a image app of one sort or another, not how well they can dream up and produce a fractal. 2. Some people have access to the greatest fractal program (Fractint )because it's free. And they may not (probably not!) own any photo manipulators. 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same ball with the same bat and the same pitch. thoughts? nuke. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0700 Damien.... Great idea!!!! The every Fractalers contest. No reason why best fractal made with a Fractint formula can't be a category, though along with best of Tierazon, etc. The entrants could decide what categories they want to enter, but I think we ought to be limited to 3 total entries per contestant. As I recall, Jay posted quite a turn out and I wouldn't be surprised if we have an even bigger one this time. Angela Damien M. Jones wrote: > > I think it would be a terrible shame to exclude users of other fractal > software from the next contest. Because the last contest was restricted to > a specific formula, it was pretty much required that it be FractInt-only... > but it would be nice to accept entries created with anything. (Especially > since that lets Mac users participate, too.) > > I like Angela's idea of categories. > > I have space to host the entries. > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 20:34:52 -0500 Nuke, - 1. Post-Fractal-Generating manipulation would seem to test an individuals - ability to use a image app of one sort or another, not how well they can - dream up and produce a fractal. Yes and no. Kerry brought up a good point about A+B combos. This is part of dreaming up and producing a fractal. Yes, you have to know how to use the image editor, but just throwing two random fractal images together usually doesn't produce pleasing results. (I've tried. :) Some of my favorite images are composited in this way. - 2. Some people have access to the greatest fractal program (Fractint - )because it's free. So are dozens of other fractal generators, many of which do not directly support FractInt parameter and formula files. - And they may not (probably not!) own any photo manipulators. There are free graphics editors. A quick perusal of WinFiles.com showed several: http://www.winfiles.com/apps/98/graph-editors.html Of course, there were also several shareware editors listed. - 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the - playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same - ball with the same bat and the same pitch. It also unlevels it, if someone isn't familiar with FractInt but IS familiar with another program. True? Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:52:15 -0700 Lee.... The "official" term for the contest official is Grand Pooh Bah. Last time Jay Hill held the title since he hosted the contest at his web site (and very well too!!!!). I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II. Any seconds? Proposed Categories: 1. Best Fractint fractal 2. Best Tierason, etc. fractal (other programs are welcome to have categories) 3. Funniest fractal 4. Most anthropomorphic fractal 5. Best fractal in the "human organ" category - the actual organ of "choice" may not be revealed by the fractaler but must be submitted to the Grand Pooh Bah......in voting, the audience will have a chance to guess what the fractal is supposed to be. An organ....er....image....must get at least 5 correct guesses/votes to be in the running. We don't want any unidentified flying organs on this mailing list!!!! 6. Best julia 7. Best mandlebrot (I still don't understand the dust part) 8. Best star or mandela (love those) 9. Ugliest fractal 10. Best fractal made while inebriated or (for the non-drinkers) exhausted or otherwise fractal-impaired. Angela aka wizzle . Lee Newsted wrote: > > O.K. > It seems like we have at least minimal interest, and some pretty good > ideas for rules. I say "Let's do it!" > > How about we start sending in ideas an get this thing rolling! > > nuke. > > Any volunteers for self-nominations or regular nominations for "rule > emperor"? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 20:40:24 -0500 Angela, - The entrants could decide what categories they want to enter, but I think - we ought to be limited to 3 total entries per contestant. Ah, yeah, when I said three per contestant, I meant three total, not three per category. =) And a single entered image could be entered for more than one category. I'm not sure it would be necessary to specifically state which categories things were entered for; no point limiting your chances unnecessarily. Except if there were categories for images created with different software, as you suggested. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:58:45 -0700 I like the idea of a category for post-processed fractals like the ones Kerry and others do. The only limitation should be that the fractal is recognizable as such after processing. The other suggestions sound fine. Kerry Mitchell wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > > > Here are my suggestions regarding rules. First, any image from any fractal > > program using any parameters would be accepted. The only condition be that > > the image not be post-processed in another program later. (Unless we want > > to have a category for post-processed fractals?) Reducing image size for > > purposes of anti-aliasing would not be considered post-processing. Each > > participant could submit up to three images; parameter files (for whatever > > software used to produce the image) would be encouraged but not required. > > I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any > fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain). > I've already posted my suggestions and rationale, so I won't do that > again. I also question the prohibition against post-processing. There > are many post-processing operations that can be done that are still within > the general spirit of fractaling, and some Fractint formulas are > approaching painting; I see fractalizing as a holstic endeavor (apply this > formula with these colors to every point on the screen), as opposed to > painting/retouching (tweak this pixel here, that line there). If the > image operations are applied in a similar, whole-image-at-once fashion, I > don't see that as being a problem. For example, I often compute 2 > fractals, call them A and B. They both have the same computational > parameters, but maybe one is an escape-time image and one is a > decomposition image. Then, (A+B), (A-B), (A*B) are all "fractal" images, > just that they were finished with an image processing program. > > Long story short--I think the motivation is more important than the tools. > > > Images would be judged by the public, via an e-mail voting system. > > Selections for "best color", "best shape", "best minibrot", "oddest > > fractal", "best overall", and any other categories we might come up with... > > I'd like to see lots of categories, thus lots of potential winners. > > Agreed. > > > The names of contest entrants and the parameter files (if provided) would > > be withheld until the contest is over, to prevent rip-offs and/or biased > > judging. Obviously some artists' work would be recognizable as such, but > > this is probably the best that can be done. > > Sounds good. > > > As I said, I have space to host the contest site. I've not heard any other > > volunteers in this area. The previous contest site checks in at about 20M; > > this one would be similar. > > I don't have the site-space to host it, but I volunteer to help administer > the contest. > > Kerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kerry Mitchell > lkmitch@primenet.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re:(fractint) New Contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:05:37 EDT I'd be thrilled to participate in a fractal contest! Whenever the decision is made to have one, please include me among the contestants........and let the games begin! Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Re:New contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:10:39 -0400 Lee Newsted wrote in part: > 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the > playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same > ball with the same bat and the same pitch. > > thoughts? Yes. I am ill at ease with the idea that as in sports in the arts too a level playing field ought to be constructed. Still, Nuke does have a point here not to be dismissed lightly. I can speak only for myself, of course, but if I am not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time, namely that the most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving the pars posted to this list and generating them one by one. This is only possible if such pars are posted as all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, have a capacity to generate, and that means Fractint based pars and no manipulations. The contest will have a very different character if we will have to visit a web site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that anyone can provide space for possibly hundreds of images in high resolution. (I could be wrong about this!?) Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters, since much to my regret the contest comes at a bad time for me: I am getting ready soon to go on a 3-4 week long trip and will have to unsubscribe in the meantime. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: July 6, 1998 Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: July 3, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:New contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 21:22:38 -0500 Gedeon, - ...if I am not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time, - namely that the most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving - the pars posted to this list and generating them one by one. As you point out, this is only practical if there is some consistency in parameter files and software. Losing this ability is the cost of opening up the contest to non-FractInt participants. I think it's worth it, but clearly there are dissenting opinions. - The contest will have a very different character if we will have to - visit a web site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that - anyone can provide space for possibly hundreds of images in high - resolution. (I could be wrong about this!?) Yep, you're wrong. :-) Hundreds of megs are indeed at my disposal. Hundreds of 640x480 images, probably about 200K apiece, does not pose a problem for me. (Larger sizes can be accomodated too, if the majority of participants so desire.) However, it may pose a problem for those participating in the voting, due to the average download speed on a 56K modem. :) I can make thumbnails of images as they come in (as can anyone who volunteers to help, as Kerry did). - Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters... Nah, comment away... feedback is good. A contest designed without the consent of the contestants won't generate many contestants. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 09 Jul 1998 20:45:11 -0700 Kragen... I don't think you were a subscriber to the list during our short....but very funny.....swapping of fractals of an organ-ic nature. I can't remember how that particular topic got started but the response was spirited to say the least. However, being an equal-opportunity sort of wizzle, I think we should expand to a human organ category for the contest. Which brings up a question in my demented mind. Are lips an organ? Ears? or are they, strictly speaking, body parts? When I suggested an organ category I meant both internal and external organs/and or body parts. It's important to get those rules clear!!! wizzle Kragen wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > 1. Formula contest (haven't figured out the rules yet) > > 2. Image contest based on winning formula with categories this time, i.e. > > funniest, most gynecological, best in show, etc. > > "Most gynecological"? Wizzle, you're a hoot. :) > > Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Some thoughts: If the categories are not narrow, thus imposing limits, such as poetry forms like haiku do, then there is little point. Many folk have great websites with amazing images (Gedeon Peteri's and Sylvie Gallet's being sites with amazing images that I visited today alone- there are too many to mention, really), so what is the point of an open, free-for all contest? The categories will need to be such that they demand of folk something they won't have already done, if there is to be a point to it all. I'd suggest, particularly if this moves over to the fractal-art list, that we'd get more interest out of the art side of things if folk had to explain their votes. It is not a matter of justification, but of gaining insight into how others think and relate to the images. I'd note that the previous contest grew out of a discussion of copyright in relation to formulas and the idea was to test the extent to which the image depended on the artist and not on the formula. As there was little, or no discussion of how the contest images illustrated this, I feel that it failed to some extent in its original purpose. Of course, I suspect some of the failure to discuss things (I was no exception) may have been due to fatigue in following the contest and being overwhelmed by the many great images. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aq936@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael Traynor) Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:New contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 00:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Gedeon writes: > >Lee Newsted wrote in part: > >> 3. Limiting the contest to Fractint generated fractals does level the >> playing field somewhat. You know: How far can each player hit the same >> ball with the same bat and the same pitch. >> >> thoughts? > >Yes. I am ill at ease with the idea that as in sports in the arts too a level >playing field ought to be constructed. Still, Nuke does have a point here not >to be dismissed lightly. I can speak only for myself, of course, but if I am >not mistaken others have expressed similar views at the time, namely that the >most fun in the previous contest consisted of receiving the pars posted to >this list and generating them one by one. This is only possible if such pars >are posted as all of us, or at least the vast majority of us, have a capacity >to generate, and that means Fractint based pars and no manipulations. The >contest will have a very different character if we will have to visit a web >site to see the entries as thumbnails, since I doubt that anyone can provide >space for possibly hundreds of images in high resolution. (I could be wrong >about this!?) I agree with this, particularly about the need to be able to view images in high resolution, which may be beyond the ability of any one host. (Part of the fun is also in seeing new techniques and trying them out, which is a lot easier with the parameters being supplied. Fractint's installed base gives it a big advantage in this sort of thing.) Perhaps folk who already have web pages could post their own images there in high-res with links from thumbnails on the contest site, while those who do not have web pages could submit images that would be displayed in high res on the contest site. >Perhaps I ought to refrain from commenting on such matters, since much to my >regret the contest comes at a bad time for me: I am getting ready soon to go >on a 3-4 week long trip and will have to unsubscribe in the meantime. Gedeon: maybe you can just submit some of the images already at your site, many would be worthy in almost any conceivable contest. -- Mike Traynor People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. Abraham Lincoln Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:05:04 -0700 Hi Angela Wilczynski > The "official" term for the contest official is Grand Pooh Bah. Last time Jay > Hill held the title since he hosted the contest at his web site (and very well > too!!!!). Thanks, it was fun. > I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II. Any seconds? > > Proposed Categories: > > 1. Best Fractint fractal > 2. Best Tierason, etc. fractal (other programs are welcome to have categories) > 3. Funniest fractal > 4. Most anthropomorphic fractal > 5. Best fractal in the "human organ" category - the actual organ of "choice" I'll be very careful sticking my 'nose' into this one... Last time, it all started when I suggested a slight rotation of the color scheme on a wizzle image. And while a few in the Dr. J series may have raised a few eyebrows, there are others I don't dare post. > 6. Best julia > 7. Best mandlebrot (I still don't understand the dust part) > 8. Best star or mandela (love those) > 9. Ugliest fractal > 10. Best fractal made while inebriated or (for the non-drinkers) exhausted or > otherwise fractal-impaired. > > Angela aka wizzle And when you settle on the categories, a test voting using last years contest might be interesting. There were some great 'cartoons' and even 'ugly' (?) fractals. The last contest was a 'Limited' Fractint contest - one formula only. We still have not seen an 'Unlimited Fractint' contest. Last time we saw three winners, all spirals, with nice coloring. The inventive were ignored, lost in the diversity. What we can expect this time? The multitude of categories will help, giving a wink to (with suggested winners from the last contest) Best Cartoon, jjf_3 Best Monster Plant, Bknambo3 Best Mechanical Device, Valero_2 Best Horror Movie, Peter_2 Best Robot, Gmarson1 Best Space Object, JayHill2 :-) Best Alien Monster, Alxndr2 Best Ugliest Fractal, Angela3 (just kidding! really!) Best Sea Creature, Trmoe-3 etc. But the clamor will be over the Best HiColor Glamour Art which will leave the Fractintiers out of the running. Frankly, for now, you will pry 19.6 out of my ... well maybe 20.0 will do the job. But 20.0 is a while away. :-( Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 3 pars(fn*z+z) Date: 10 Jul 1998 03:30:56 EDT Here's 3 more images from something other than the mandel fnfn formula Enjoy~ Jim ***************************************************************** fnzz001 { ; 0:01:59.02 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/09/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=cotan passes=1 center-mag=0.133779/-1.77636e-014/0.1086957/1/-90 params=0.95/0/0.1/0 float=y maxiter=50 bailoutest=manh inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000_ujawndxrgxugyudxrawn_ujWsfUpbRm_<2>I`OGXKDRHALC<2>141201975<2\ >QOGVUK_YOdbSigWmk_pobsqfvtjwvnywryxuyxuyxrxvnvtjsrfpobml_ihWecS`ZOWVK<4\ >311120550980CC0HG0KJ1OM1SQ1<2>c_1fc1kg1<2>vq2vq2rm2nj2kg1fc1c_1_X1WU1SQ\ 1OM1KJ1HG0CC0980550120000<9>2Pb2Re2Uj2Wm2Zq3`u3`u2Zq2Wm2Uj2Re<9>02300000\ 1<8>75M75O86Q87T87V98X98_98_<6>64K64H53F43D<4>001630<6>XI2_K2cM2fO2kQ3<2\ >uX3uX3rV3nT3kQ3fO2<2>XI2TG1PE1LC1IA1<2>630310100<3>H10L10O21R21U21<2>`3\ 1b32c32d42e42<4>a31<2>V21S21O21L10I10E10A00500200030<8>8a19d19h19l2<2>Aw\ 2Aw2<3>9h19d18a17Y1<6>1700301314957E9AKCDQHGWK<3>Rl_UpbWrf } fnzz002 { ; 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0:00:17.80 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/10/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=pr15 function=sqr/log/cotanh/ident passes=1 center-mag=0.0385284/7.99361e-015/0.2640027/1/90 params=0.5/0/8/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=epsiloncross outside=real periodicity=0 colors=200RBF<4>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13>RU\ YPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>zQU\ zTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC796C\ IDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2>G1\ CE09D07<2>800600A00E04J18N6C } pr15005 { ; 0:00:22.30 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/10/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_p.frm formulaname=pr15 function=sqr/recip/cotanh/ident passes=1 center-mag=0.0385284/7.10543e-015/0.1000027/1/90 params=0.5/0/8/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=epsiloncross outside=real periodicity=0 colors=200E04J18<6>lZZjYYA88<3>eee<11>R9EP6BO39M06I03E01A00411<12>eRH<13\ >RUYPV_OUZ<6>GNXEMWCMX422<10>TYYW``WZZ<13>J00<3>a00e03i06<2>s1D<2>zDL<3>\ zQUzTXyWZxZ`521<9>`RH<4>QLS745C8BHCH<13>ECaDDcEB`F9ZF8WA86<5>zye<10>zOC7\ 96CIDHRK<14>ZnV<6>9ic<7>CQI3A9<3>7oj<8>NXT557<6>Wet<11>PFRODPNBMM8JK7K<2\ >G1CE09D07<2>800600A00 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Schoonmaker Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 01:06:03 -0700 At 11:10 7/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >btw: someone told me Cantor dusts have aleph-one points in them. It >seems to me that they should be aleph-null, because if you're >constructing a Cantor dust in the traditional way (take an interval, >cut out the middle and take the intervals on the ends, repeat) the only >points that remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries of the >intervals you take, and you first encounter each one of them at some >integer-numbered subdivision step, and you encounter only an integer >number of points at each subdivision step, so each point in the >eventual Cantor dust has some ordinal number at which it becomes a >boundary of an interval. > >Am I missing something? Hmm... well, if you take out the midpoint of each line segment at each step, then for each operation, you're multiplying the total number of segments by two... For aleph-null steps, which gives 2^(aleph-null) line segments when you're done, which equals aleph-one. I think. -Andrew (who's up late...pardon the incomprehensibility) -- Andrew Schoonmaker (neon@eskimo.com) On the other hand, you have different fingers. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Schoonmaker Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 01:20:48 -0700 At 13:38 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >By definition (Aleph-null)^2 = Aleph-one. You are not scaling Aleph-null by >a finite number, you are squaring it. Um, no, aleph-null squared = aleph-null... Squares contain the same number of points as line segments... Or at least, that's what I thought... >For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. Hmm? {1,2,3}...{}, {1}, {2}, {3}, {1,2}, {1,3}, {2,3}, {1,2,3} ... what's the ninth? >The number of subsets of >Aleph-null is Aleph-one (the 'continuum' infinity (used for counting all >line segments, partitions, etc of a line - or counting polygons, surfaces, >etc in a real plane) as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real >numbers/rationals, etc). This is true, tho. >>From another point of view, the number of steps to produce Cantor dust is >enumerable, but the number of points in the dust is Aleph-one (not >one-to-one with the rationals). ....Wait a minute. Since each point was originally on the line, there can't be more points than there were originally, and therefore the number of points in the dust can't exceed aleph-null. I think it's the _number_ of Cantor dusts that's aleph-one. (don't mind the argument in the previous e-mail...tho I'm not sure what the flaw in it is) >Brian Baske -Andrew (who may well have come off as rude up there...sorry) -- Andrew Schoonmaker (neon@eskimo.com) On the other hand, you have different fingers. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: davides Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 05:39:37 -0400 At 06:52 PM 7/9/1998 -0700, you wrote: I'll second (or third, or whatever the case may be ... :) ) >I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II. Any seconds? > >Proposed Categories: and all the listed categories which have been snipped for brevity - I'll second, that is. Or third... davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 07:24:38 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Ian Kaplan wrote: > I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean by "the only points that > remain in the dust are the points at the boundaries." I mean, you > construct the dust by removing the middle thirds of the intervals... oh, > perhaps I do follow. While I can't quite think of what's wrong with this > argument, do you accept the argument that Cantor dusts have a finite > area? If you take the limit of the area of the black boxes as n (number > of iterations) goes to infinity, you get a finite number. Well, suppose we're doing just a traditional one-dimensional dust, by removing the middle thirds each time. Then the remaining length of line within the set is / 2 \ n |---| \ 3 / where n is the number of times you iterate the subdivision process. / 2 \ n lim |---| = 0 n->infinity\ 3 / Is this what you meant? > Think of the Cantor dust in one dimension (on a line.) On the nth > iteration, you create 2^n new boundary points, right? so that seems > countable. aleph-null 2 = aleph-one > But then in two dimensions, you create 2^n boundary _lines_. Ah, maybe > that's it. Your boundary points are actually lines, each of which itself > has aleph-1 points on it. Maybe? Makes some sense. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 13:43:16 +0100 Interesting discussion. Just the typo's can be an irritating fact here. >The sci.fractals FAQ says: Does anyone know where to get that? - I mean without having to join the newsgroup. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 07:56:48 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > Kerry, > - I suggest limiting the entries somewhat; allowing any image from any > - fractal program sounds just too big (to my aleph_negative-one brain). > > :-) But limit in what way? > > I'm not sure a coloring formula contest is a good idea, because most people > simply don't have enough experience in writing formulas to feel they can > compete evenly. That's OK. I'd rather have a contest few participate in that produces some excellent fractals than not bother to have a contest because some people might not participate. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail Date: 10 Jul 1998 07:58:25 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > A few thoughts: > 1. Post-Fractal-Generating manipulation would seem to test an individuals > ability to use a image app of one sort or another, not how well they can > dream up and produce a fractal. > 2. Some people have access to the greatest fractal program (Fractint > )because it's free. And they may not (probably not!) own any photo > manipulators. The best photo manipulator (unless you're doing work intended for print) is also free, in the sense of "liberated". It's called the GIMP. It runs on just about any Unix. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 08:20:18 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > At 13:38 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. > > Hmm? > {1,2,3}...{}, {1}, {2}, {3}, {1,2}, {1,3}, {2,3}, {1,2,3} ... what's the > ninth? They meant 2^n. > ....Wait a minute. Since each point was originally on the line, there > can't be more points than there were originally, and therefore the number > of points in the dust can't exceed aleph-null. I think it's the _number_ > of Cantor dusts that's aleph-one. The line has aleph-one points on it. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 08:22:01 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Christian Strik wrote: > Interesting discussion. Just the typo's can be an irritating fact here. > > >The sci.fractals FAQ says: > > Does anyone know where to get that? - I mean without having to join the > newsgroup. I found it linked off spanky. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdelange@biochem.nl (Wim de Lange) Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:05:28 GMT Op 10 Jul 98 om 1:06 schreef owner-fractint@lists.xmission over: "Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal" > of segments by two... For aleph-null steps, which gives > 2^(aleph-null) line segments when you're done, which equals > aleph-one. I think. Wrong, you can't calculate with aleph-1 and aleph-0 in this way. I don't know if there is a calculus for those numbers, but it is not legal to do what you did. Read my mail about a better proof, about which I'm certainly sure. Groetjes, Wim de Lange _____________________________________ Internet: wdelange@biochem.nl CompuServe: 100142,604 _____________________________________ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wdelange@biochem.nl (Wim de Lange) Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:03:44 GMT Op 10 Jul 98 om 1:20 schreef owner-fractint@lists.xmission over: "RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal" > >>From another point of view, the number of steps to produce Cantor dust is > >enumerable, but the number of points in the dust is Aleph-one (not Long time ago when I studied math we had some theory about this, but this is what I know about the Cantor set. The number of point in the Cantor set is bigger than aleph-0. Don't ask me how I know this, I don't remember the proof anymore. (LATER for a better answer) (Probably it is aleph-1, but at the moment I was studuing, it was not sure that there is a number between aleph-0 and aleph-1, I don't remember all correctly). But I'm sure about the bigger part. The strange thing however, is that the cantor set is very thin, in the sense that the measure of the cantor set is 0 (zero). If you define the measure as the length of a linesegment (or a infinite set of linesegments) in the normal way. That is proofed easily, calculate the lengt of the linesegments after every step, and the total length is (2/3)^n after n steps. And that goes to zero for n -> infinity. I think the proof of aleph-1 is also easily. After every step, the number of points remaining in the set, is aleph-1. (n^2 line segments) So with n -> infinity, the value is always aleph-1, so the end result (the limit) is aleph-1. But I'm not sure, this is a correct proof (the one about the measure is correct). Groetjes, Wim de Lange _____________________________________ Internet: wdelange@biochem.nl CompuServe: 100142,604 _____________________________________ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Newsted" Date: 10 Jul 1998 10:32:19 -0500 Everyone has a good point! And I vote for Damien Jones as Grand Pooh Bah. So, Damien, Are you going to start keeping a list of catagories? If so I would like to have a catagory for L-System fractals. I know tey are not as fancy as some other types but they are fractals. Anybody thought about a entry deadline? I think wee need at least a month, and maybe we sould have everyone holds their cards till the last minute. just a few ideas. nuke. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 17:24:33 +0100 >Op 10 Jul 98 om 1:06 schreef owner-fractint@lists.xmission over: "Re: >(fractint) Lost Fractal" Leuke mailreader, Wim! :-) Overigens... hij neemt de Return-Path als zender. Dit is bij mailing-lists echter meestal niet het geval, zoals je wel weet. :-) Groetjes, Christian { Nice mailreader, Wim! BTW... it takes the Return-Path as sender. This usually isn't the case with mailing lists, though, as you probably know. :-) Greetings, Christian } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:07:24 -0500 Jay, - Last time we saw three winners, all spirals, with nice coloring. - The inventive were ignored, lost in the diversity. Which is a minor tragedy... perhaps having a variety of categories will help to highlight some of the more non-traditional imagery. - But the clamor will be over the Best HiColor Glamour Art which - will leave the Fractintiers out of the running. Not necessarily. PHC images rendered at high resolution, then reduced, will produce high-color images quite nicely. I have created a few such images myself. And if you use Kerry's A+B approach, even more possibilities arise. - Frankly, for now, you will pry 19.6 out of my ... well maybe 20.0 will - do the job. But 20.0 is a while away. :-( I frequently have people ask me what fractal software I use, partly because they refuse to believe I still use FractInt. While it's true that I do occasionally post-process fractal images, a lot of what I do is still essentially raw output from FractInt; only the coloring formula technique is new. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:09:12 -0500 Christian, - >The sci.fractals FAQ says: - - Does anyone know where to get that? - I mean without having to join the - newsgroup. http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/ I suspect many fractal pages contain links to this FAQ. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:10:30 -0500 Kragen, - That's OK. I'd rather have a contest few participate in that produces - some excellent fractals than not bother to have a contest because some - people might not participate. Who said anything about not having a contest? I just think it's being a little too exclusive to say only FractInt users can participate. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:00:57 -0500 Mike, - The categories will need to be such that they demand of folk something - they won't have already done, if there is to be a point to it all. Hmmmm. What categories do you suggest? I agree you have a point, but coming up with examples isn't exactly easy. :-) - I'd suggest, particularly if this moves over to the fractal-art list, that - we'd get more interest out of the art side of things if folk had to - explain their votes. It is not a matter of justification, but of gaining - insight into how others think and relate to the images. This is an interesting idea, although I think it will have a side-effect of discouraging votes. This may not be a bad thing, I just thought it was worth mentioning. - I'd note that the previous contest grew out of a discussion of copyright - in relation to formulas and the idea was to test the extent to which the - image depended on the artist and not on the formula. As there was little, - or no discussion of how the contest images illustrated this, I feel that - it failed to some extent in its original purpose. Unless, of course, the sheer diversity of the submitted images proved that there's more to fractal art than the math. :-) [as you replied to Gedeon] - I agree with this, particularly about the need to be able to view images - in high resolution, which may be beyond the ability of any one host. As I stated, space is not a problem for me. If the contest site were to end up occupying three hundred megabytes, it wouldn't bother the fractalus.com server a bit. That's why I volunteered the space; I know most people don't have that luxury. If necessary, I have a spare hard drive I can put in the server. (For those who wonder... I work for a small ISP.) - (Part of the fun is also in seeing new techniques and trying them out, - which is a lot easier with the parameters being supplied. Fractint's - installed base gives it a big advantage in this sort of thing.) Yes... but I think I mentioned earlier that the parameters would only be withheld until after the contest. And they wouldn't be *required*, just encouraged. I'd hate to deny someone participation just because everyone isn't using the same tool as they are... Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:18:55 -0500 Nuke, - So, Damien, Are you going to start keeping a list of catagories? I think I can manage that. - If so I would like to have a catagory for L-System fractals. I don't see why not. Perhaps this will encourage more people to explore L-Systems. - Anybody thought about a entry deadline? I think wee need at least a - month, and maybe we sould have everyone holds their cards till the last - minute. I was thinking that there's no point in requiring all submissions from the same person to occur at once... they could submit one image, then a week later, one or two more. So long as they don't submit more than three total. Entries, once submitted, could not be withdrawn. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbenven@ix.netcom.com Subject: (fractint) Re: Cardinality Date: 10 Jul 1998 13:13:50 -0700 Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > > At 13:38 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >By definition (Aleph-null)^2 = Aleph-one. You are not scaling Aleph-null by > >a finite number, you are squaring it. > > Um, no, aleph-null squared = aleph-null... Squares contain the same number > of points as line segments... Or at least, that's what I thought... > > >For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. > > Hmm? > {1,2,3}...{}, {1}, {2}, {3}, {1,2}, {1,3}, {2,3}, {1,2,3} ... what's the > ninth? > > >The number of subsets of > >Aleph-null is Aleph-one (the 'continuum' infinity (used for counting all > >line segments, partitions, etc of a line - or counting polygons, surfaces, > >etc in a real plane) as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real > >numbers/rationals, etc). Its been a long time, but if I remember by college topology class correctly... for a set of n elements there are 2^n subsets not n^2 so for the example given of 3 ... (3)^2 = 8 which is how many you found. Also the cardinality of a set where n is infinite is the same as the cardinality of a set with n^2 elements. However card(n) < card(2^n) always even if n is infinite. 2^(aleph-null) = (aleph-one) > (aleph-nul) ^ 2 Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Baske" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: Cardinality Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:52:10 -0500 I lurk on the list for a couple of years, then I open my mouth for the first time and scramble my trans-finite mathematics/topology. OOPS! As has been pointed out, the number of subsets is 2^n, not n^2. Hence my argument that number of points in a Cantor dust is Aleph-one has evaporated (along with all the interior points in the line segments). Boy am I embarrassed! Guess I'll just lurk for a while... bb -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jbenven@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 3:14 PM Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > > At 13:38 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >By definition (Aleph-null)^2 = Aleph-one. You are not scaling Aleph-null by > >a finite number, you are squaring it. > > Um, no, aleph-null squared = aleph-null... Squares contain the same number > of points as line segments... Or at least, that's what I thought... > > >For a set of n elements, there are n^2 subsets. > > Hmm? > {1,2,3}...{}, {1}, {2}, {3}, {1,2}, {1,3}, {2,3}, {1,2,3} ... what's the > ninth? > > >The number of subsets of > >Aleph-null is Aleph-one (the 'continuum' infinity (used for counting all > >line segments, partitions, etc of a line - or counting polygons, surfaces, > >etc in a real plane) as opposed to the 'enumerable' infinity (counts real > >numbers/rationals, etc). Its been a long time, but if I remember by college topology class correctly... for a set of n elements there are 2^n subsets not n^2 so for the example given of 3 ... (3)^2 = 8 which is how many you found. Also the cardinality of a set where n is infinite is the same as the cardinality of a set with n^2 elements. However card(n) < card(2^n) always even if n is infinite. 2^(aleph-null) = (aleph-one) > (aleph-nul) ^ 2 Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Debora Subject: (fractint) Re: New Contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:54:05 -0500 Boy, there's nothing like a contest to wake everybody up. : ) Debora -- When a girl marries, she exchanges the attentions of many men for the inattention of one. --Helen Rowland Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 4 pars(Gallet-5-06) Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:53:54 EDT Here's a few more strange images I liked......Enjoy~ Jim ***************************************************************************** g5067101 { ; 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There's nothing new on my web site, but I discovered that there's been some problem with the homepage URL for some time. I just want to give out the correct URL and invite anyone who hasn't visited to come by. http://members.aol.com/billatny/FRACTOPI.HTM Apparently, it's case sensitive. See you there, Bill Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: (fractint) Contest Rules Date: 10 Jul 1998 17:50:35 -0700 Brian... Noooooooo.....don't go back to lurking!!! You will notice I can make a complete fool of myself on ANY topic on ANY given day!!! Damien.... A couple of (serious) rules I think ought to be implemented if we are to have a free-form contest .....for those who prefer structure (like last time) I don't see why we can't have a category that fits that desire....but I'd like to see some "wild and crrrrrrrrrrazy" fractals this time. Anyway......my rule suggestions 1. Let's get the groundrules posted, commented on and Straight before the contest starts.....that's a lesson learned from last time, at least for me. I was doing fractals assuming that the "set" would be judged rather than an individual entry and might have worked toward different images had I understood the rules better. 2. In the spirit of creativity, I strongly feel that any image entered MUST be created specially for the contest. I was having visions of looking thru my 500megs of fractal gifs when I thought.....wait!!!!!! that's just too dumb.......I'm not really going to enter to win anything (except glory, of course), but to have those artsy juices flowing once I know what the categories will be. 3. Rule #2 implies, at least to me, that we need some sort of start and stop dates. Everyone can fractal like mad....but only during the set period. Also.....I think we ought to be limited to no more than 3 images and maybe 1 "wild card"......the same image entered into two categories. If the rules state that the 3 (or whatever) images can be entered willy nilly into categories then the logical strategy to to enter them into Every ONE!!!! That defeats the purpose of categories, in my mind. Speaking of minds....I was pondering these highly important issues at 2AM last night/morn. Sheeeeeeeesh!!!!!! Angela aka wizzle p.s. I have discovered that the itty bitty screwdrivers I use to fix the puter are excellent cocktail "forks" (stabbing another smoked oyster). p.s.s. Fractal chat anyone?????? (bring your cocktail forks) Brian Baske wrote: > > I lurk on the list for a couple of years, then I open my mouth for the first > time and scramble my trans-finite mathematics/topology. OOPS! <> > > Boy am I embarrassed! Guess I'll just lurk for a while... > > bb Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:03:42 -0700 Jay.... Love the nominations!!!!! I can see you in a tux giving out the prizes. And your list reminded me of some more categories..... 1. Best fractal animation or movie 2. Best fractal sound Another thing we need to remember to do this time is to allow ample time for voting.....and I mean really ample if we decide to have a lot of categories. An alternative......is to have a series of contests. 1. A fractint contest (a la last year) based on one of the great formulas we've seen lately 2. The "categories" approach - fractal images only 3. Fractal mania - animation, sound, post-processed, etc. Then maybe (drumroll.........).......5 finalists in each contest go to....... FRACTAL OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!! My gawd......the mind boggles.....the press.....the cameras.....the great clothes Jay Hill wrote: > > Hi Angela Wilczynski > > > The "official" term for the contest official is Grand Pooh Bah. Last time Jay > > Hill held the title since he hosted the contest at his web site (and very > well > > too!!!!). > > Thanks, it was fun. <> > > > I nominate Damien Jones for Grand Pooh Bah II. Any seconds? > > > > Proposed Categories: > > Jay > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Schoonmaker Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 10 Jul 1998 07:46:39 -0700 At 08:20 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: >> ....Wait a minute. Since each point was originally on the line, there >> can't be more points than there were originally, and therefore the number >> of points in the dust can't exceed aleph-null. I think it's the _number_ >> of Cantor dusts that's aleph-one. > >The line has aleph-one points on it. Oh, my, do I feel stupid. That makes the _number_ of Cantor dusts aleph-two... -Andrew (who's not sure, yet, how your aleph-null argument fails) -- Andrew Schoonmaker (neon@eskimo.com) On the other hand, you have different fingers. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: (fractint) Re: your mail Date: 11 Jul 1998 03:53:35 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Lee Newsted wrote: > So, Damien, Are you going to start keeping a list of catagories? If so I > would like to have a catagory for L-System fractals. I know tey are not as > fancy as some other types but they are fractals. Have you seen the ones made with LPARSER? They're a lot fancier than anything else I've ever seen. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 11 Jul 1998 05:38:21 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > That makes the _number_ of Cantor dusts aleph-two... What do you mean, the number of Cantor dusts? The number of different possible ways a line segment can be subdivided into a Cantor dust? Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Web site URL Date: 11 Jul 1998 06:11:35 -0400 (EDT) > Hi folks! There's nothing new on my web site, but I discovered that there's > been some problem with the homepage URL for some time. I just want to give > out the correct URL and invite anyone who hasn't visited to come by. > > http://members.aol.com/billatny/FRACTOPI.HTM > > Apparently, it's case sensitive. URLs usually are. That's why using capital letters in them is a Bad Idea. (hostnames aren't tho) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 4 pars(various) Date: 11 Jul 1998 07:57:55 EDT Here's 2 ComplexNewtons and 2 SpiderJulcplx pars......Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************************** ****** cxnt1103 { ; 0:03:04.49 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_c.frm formulaname=ComplexNewton_11 function=recip/exp/sqr passes=1 center-mag=3.93835/7.99361e-015/0.5127153/1/90 params=0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000ob0lZ0<2>ZO0UK0OG0<3>000000<2>I90OC1UF1ZI2cL3hO4lR5oU7sX8u_9xb\ B<2>zjF<2>xbBu_9sX8oU7lR5<2>ZI2UF1OC1<3>000000620<2>O82UA3ZC5cE7hG9lIBoK\ EsMGuOJxQM<2>zVV<2>xQMuOJsMGoKElIB<2>ZC5UA3O82I61<2>000000610C21I31O43U5\ 5Z67c7Ah8Dl9HoALsBOuCTxDXyEazFfzGj<2>xDXuCTsBOoALl9Hh8Dc7AZ67U55O43I31<2\ >000000500901E02I04M07<2>Y0I`0Mb0Se0Wg0ai0gj0mj0tk0yj0tj0mi0gg0ae0Wb0S`0\ MY0IU0EQ0AM07I04E02<2>000000300601901C03F05I07K0A<2>Q0LS0OT0T<2>V0fW0jV0\ f<2>T0TS0OQ0LO0HM0DK0A<3>901<2>000000100<2>602703905<2>C0BD0EE0GE0JF0M<2\ >G0V<4>E0GD0EC0BB09A07905<2>401300100<4>000001001002003<7>00E00F00E<6>00\ 4640<2>OG0UK0ZO0cS0hW0lZ0ob0sf0uj0xn0<2>zz0<2>xn0uj0sf0 } cxnt1106 { ; 0:07:35.78 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_c.frm formulaname=ComplexNewton_11 function=cotanh/exp/exp passes=1 center-mag=-10.0334/0/0.03/1/90 params=0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real periodicity=0 colors=000IIEMMHPPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4T\ L5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2\ >011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4X\ H4RE<3>142700<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO\ <2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVy\ ATxASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Y\ a`Ya`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSI\ sUJvWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<2>EEA } spidjul1 { ; 0:01:09.26 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_c.frm formulaname=SpiderJulcplx passes=1 center-mag=-4.77396e-015/6.66134e-015/0.7253167/1/72.5 params=0.0315/0.53/0.49/0.02 float=y maxiter=100 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000MMHPPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5Y\ O5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>01\ 1295<2>4QE4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4R\ E<3>142700<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>\ 9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATx\ ASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Y\ a`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJ\ vWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<3>IIE } spidjul2 { ; 0:02:00.35 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_c.frm formulaname=SpiderJulcplx passes=1 center-mag=4.44089e-015/5.32907e-015/0.8823785/1/90 params=-0.07500000000000001/0/0.502/0 float=y maxiter=100 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000cdW<4>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5YO5bS6gX7k\ `7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>011295<2>4Q\ E4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4RE<3>14270\ 0<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>9SN8RM8QL\ 7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATxASw9Ru9Ps\ 8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Ya`Y`_Y`_X\ <2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJvWJvWJ<5>\ `JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<5>PPKTTNXYQ``T } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 9 pars(Omen.frm) Date: 11 Jul 1998 07:57:43 EDT I really like searching through orgfrm and seeing all the different images that can come from it. Here's 9 of them done with the omen.frm.......Enjoy~ Jim ************************************************************************** omen001 { ; 0:01:30.52 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_o.frm formulaname=OMEN function=sqr passes=1 center-mag=-2.38854/1.19904e-014/0.8434717/1/90 params=-0.5/0 float=y maxiter=50 inside=bof60 outside=real invert=1/-0.95/0 periodicity=0 colors=0008Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Ya`\ Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJvW\ JvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<5>PPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5\ >7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7n\ d7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9y\ W8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4RE<3>142700<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG\ 6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh\ 8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATxASw<2>8Op } omen002 { ; 0:01:41.55 75mhz 800x600 ; 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0:01:14.60 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_o.frm formulaname=OMEN function=cotan passes=t center-mag=1.52421/3.10862e-014/0.3649023/1/90 params=0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real invert=1/0.333/0 periodicity=0 colors=000rol<5>oro<8>ztj<37>LE5JC3KC5<13>rgc<8>eXRcWPbVOaTN_SLZRKXPI<11\ >cSbcTddTfeUheVg<20>tnN<2>wbXsZV<6>pf_og`meZ<13>H37<14>biN<11>xgT<4>biW<\ 13>rsittjsti<12>WoTUnRTmR<23>6OD<3>KYQ866<5>ukj<7>rnl } omen009 { ; 0:01:51.78 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_o.frm formulaname=OMEN function=sqr passes=1 center-mag=2.53398/1.59872e-014/0.1028366/1/90 params=0.5/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 outside=real invert=1/0.333/0 periodicity=0 colors=000EEA<2>PPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4T\ L5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2\ >011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4X\ H4RE<3>142700<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO\ <2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVy\ ATxASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Y\ a`Ya`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSI\ sUJvWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321764AA7 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest Rules Date: 11 Jul 1998 14:06:06 -0500 Angela Wilczynski wrote: > > p.s.s. Fractal chat anyone?????? (bring your cocktail forks) > There have been several individuals lately that have stated they wish to have a "chat" with others on this Discussion List. But nobody seems to respond to those postings either. Here are some of the people I believe that are expressing some interest to chat: Chris Landrum ICQ #11989523 (Raine) jax1@azstarnet.com raine2@hotmail.com Blake Hyde ICQ #5411598 (Syrion) bhyde@connectu.net Andrew Duhan ICQ #10363110 (Felix) aduhan@ttu.edu rdv ICQ #8435513 (aardvarko) aardvarko@geocities.com Seems like all those that were using the IRC before, along with those listed above, could reach some common ground on days, times, method of chatting, etc... P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:15:23 EDT Hi Wizzle! In a message dated 98-07-10 20:53:38 EDT, you write: << Then maybe (drumroll.........).......5 finalists in each contest go to....... FRACTAL OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!! My gawd......the mind boggles.....the press.....the cameras.....the great clothes >> ...and...you will win an expense-paid trip to Benoit Mandelbrot's birthplace! ...and ...(another drumroll) ...A BRAND NEW CAR!! ****************************************************************************** ****************** Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com http://members.aol.com/maksoy/vistfrac/vistfrac.htm (site #35 on the Infinite Fractal Loop). http://members.aol.com/fractasy/fractasy.htm Why does my landscape keep printing out sideways? ****************************************************************************** ****************** Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:19:12 EDT Angela writes: > Another thing we need to remember to do this time is to allow ample time for > voting.....and I mean really ample if we decide to have a lot of categories. > > An alternative......is to have a series of contests. I'd second this - we could be looking at a lot of time downloading fractals if all the categories were going at once. Another idea is to stagger the final voting days for each category - gives people (those creating images and those voting) more time to concentrate on each category. Luke http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mctupper" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 14:04:27 -0600 |<< Then maybe (drumroll.........).......5 finalists in each contest go |to....... | | FRACTAL OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!! I like the idea of an ultimate winner, with other people getting a chance to win in the catagories. I also like the idea of people explaining why they like a particular fractal in each catagory that they vote in. | | My gawd......the mind boggles.....the press.....the cameras.....the great | clothes >> | |...and...you will win an expense-paid trip to Benoit Mandelbrot's |birthplace! |...and ...(another drumroll) ...A BRAND NEW CAR!! I want the second prize---A Power boat to cruise the lakes of the Mandlebrot set. :) Xylen "Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall, Nothing but Net"--Author uknown Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:36:49 EDT Hi All! With talk in the air about another fractal contest, here are some points to consider: Categories - Whatever is chosen, keep the number within manageable limits! With too many categories (say, more than 9), and 3 entries per person, some categories may end up with only a couple of entries - producing winners almost by default. Keeping additional categories for future contests, as has been suggested, is certainly a valid option. How about a Best of Contest category? This would guarantee that all entries compete against each other in a true contest. The winner could bask in glory (at least until the next contest :-)). Would image titles be allowed? This might be critical for fractals which are intended to represent some realworld person/place/thing. Comments on images should be encouraged! I have always been curious to know what goes through people's minds when they see a beautiful (or less than beautiful!) fractal. I would also like to know why they think a certain fractal beautiful. Much of what I've learned about photography has come from the comments of judges (at least those who tried to be objective) in the monthly competitions at my camera club. Contest voters should be encouraged, but not required, to comment on the fractals they choose. Should the contest be open to submissions from all fractal programs? I think this is worth a try. It might not actually change things much, since I would guess that many, if not most, of the entrants would be Fractint users to begin with. Besides, it would be interesting to see work from other fractal programs and to see how the Fractint workhorse chalks up against the dazzle of Flarium/Tierazon! Wizzle wrote: <<2. In the spirit of creativity, I strongly feel that any image entered MUST be created specially for the contest. >> Though I agree with this in spirit, it might be difficult if not impossible to enforce. We would have to use the honor principle and hope for the best. If the contest took this course, plenty of time should be allowed for people to take time off from the diversions of summer to do fractaling. ****************************************************************************** * Mark Aksoy, maksoy@aol.com http://members.aol.com/maksoy/vistfrac/vistfrac.htm (site #35 on the Infinite Fractal Loop). http://members.aol.com/fractasy/fractasy.htm Why does my landscape keep printing out sideways? ****************************************************************************** * Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:02:54 -0500 Angela, - 1. Best fractal animation or movie - 2. Best fractal sound I think this is the point where we're really starting to be too broad. :-) Animations deserve a contest of their own, as do sounds. Also, animations are *huge* and most people would find it hard to find the time to download all the animations to judge them fairly. I think sticking with still images this time around is probably best. - Another thing we need to remember to do this time is to allow ample time - for voting.....and I mean really ample if we decide to have a lot of - categories. Yep. - An alternative......is to have a series of contests. I strongly disagree here. It's hard to maintain interest in a project like this if it drags on for many, many months. A single contest, even if large, is IMO a better tack to take. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:08:21 -0500 Luke, - > An alternative......is to have a series of contests. - - I'd second this - we could be looking at a lot of time downloading - fractals if all the categories were going at once. Yes... but I still think doing it all at once will be better. And staggering the category judging dates would just confuse things. Simplest is best. If we have a reasonably long voting period, there will be plenty of time for people to vote--but if it's all staggered, they'll have to keep coming back, over and over, to vote. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest Rules Date: 11 Jul 1998 16:59:44 -0500 Angela, - 1. Let's get the groundrules posted, commented on and Straight before - the contest starts. You won't get any argument from me on this point. - 2. In the spirit of creativity, I strongly feel that any image entered - MUST be created specially for the contest. I don't have a problem with this. - 3. Rule #2 implies, at least to me, that we need some sort of start and - stop dates. Rule #1 sort of implies this, too. - If the rules state that the 3 (or whatever) images can be entered willy - nilly into categories then the logical strategy to to enter them into - Every ONE!!!! That defeats the purpose of categories, in my mind. Point. How about if each image can be entered in two categories (to keep it simple)? Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:16:24 -0500 Mark, - Categories - Whatever is chosen, keep the number within manageable - limits! With too many categories (say, more than 9), and 3 entries per - person, some categories may end up with only a couple of entries - - producing winners almost by default. Choosing fewer categories is OK with me, it just means more discussion as to what those categories should be. :-) - How about a Best of Contest category? This is already on my list. - Would image titles be allowed? Encouraged, I'd think. - Comments on images should be encouraged! Definitely. - Should the contest be open to submissions from all fractal programs? I - think this is worth a try. Well, I've made my opinion on this clear enough. :-) - It might not actually change things much, since I would guess that many, - if not most, of the entrants would be Fractint users to begin with. Assuming somebody didn't post a notice regarding the contest to various mailing lists and newsgroups... that might have quite an effect on submissions. - Besides, it would be interesting to see work from other fractal programs - and to see how the Fractint workhorse chalks up against the dazzle of - Flarium/Tierazon! I think FractInt can hold up fairly well. - Though I agree with this in spirit, it might be difficult if not - impossible to enforce. Impossible to enforce, yes. We can simply state it in the rules and ask that people abide by those rules. - ...plenty of time should be allowed for people to take time off from - the diversions of summer to do fractaling. Is six weeks long enough? Assuming we spend a few more days wrangling over the rules and categories, this would put the close of the contest right around the end of summer. Then the judging would begin. Is six weeks too long? Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: RE: (fractint) Re: New contest Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:05:35 -0500 Xylen, - I like the idea of an ultimate winner, with other people getting a chance - to win in the catagories. Yes, I think every fractal should be considered for "best overall", regardless of the categories it was entered into. - I also like the idea of people explaining why they like a particular - fractal in each catagory that they vote in. Opinion noted. :-) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:59:27 -0700 Damien/Mark/et. al 1. I too like the idea of using any program.....this should add a really different dimension to the contest. 2. 6 weeks to fractal seems about right and ought to bridge most vacations and interruptions caused by the dreaded work or other annoyances. 3. Although many of my category suggestions were made very tongue in cheek, I do think we ought to have at least a couple of non-serious categories. 4. I knew perfectly well that the rule about doing original work for the contest could not be enforced when I suggested it. But, after all.....someone who would cheat in a fractal contest probably wears pocket protectors, dirty white socks and was socially deprived as a child. If anyone needs to win that bad.....heck........I won't lose sleep wondering about who is cheating. Did anyone post an invite to the fractal-art list for entries?? Is Damien ready to post here there and everywhere the proposed categories?? I'm getting myself prepared to debate each and every one and would like a chance to discuss, at length, the choice of background color/pattern of the contest website. I look best in dark blue or black. Brown is just out!!!! I mean....brown....so.....earthy.....so caveman. And NO avacado.......I still have bad memories of an avacado green shag carpet in my first house. Does anyone else remember "harvest gold"?????? Maybe the trauma of those days is why I don't use much yellow in my fractals. wizzle Damien M. Jones wrote: > > Mark, > > - Categories - Whatever is chosen, keep the number within manageable > - limits! With too many categories (say, more than 9), and 3 entries per > - person, some categories may end up with only a couple of entries - > - producing winners almost by default. > > Choosing fewer categories is OK with me, it just means more discussion as > to what those categories should be. :-) > > - How about a Best of Contest category? > > This is already on my list. > > - Would image titles be allowed? > > Encouraged, I'd think. > > - Comments on images should be encouraged! > > Definitely. > > - Should the contest be open to submissions from all fractal programs? I > - think this is worth a try. > > Well, I've made my opinion on this clear enough. :-) > > - It might not actually change things much, since I would guess that many, > - if not most, of the entrants would be Fractint users to begin with. > > Assuming somebody didn't post a notice regarding the contest to various > mailing lists and newsgroups... that might have quite an effect on > submissions. > > - Besides, it would be interesting to see work from other fractal programs > - and to see how the Fractint workhorse chalks up against the dazzle of > - Flarium/Tierazon! > > I think FractInt can hold up fairly well. > > - Though I agree with this in spirit, it might be difficult if not > - impossible to enforce. > > Impossible to enforce, yes. We can simply state it in the rules and ask > that people abide by those rules. > > - ...plenty of time should be allowed for people to take time off from > - the diversions of summer to do fractaling. > > Is six weeks long enough? Assuming we spend a few more days wrangling over > the rules and categories, this would put the close of the contest right > around the end of summer. Then the judging would begin. Is six weeks too > long? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Re: contest rules Date: 11 Jul 1998 19:38:07 -0400 Why rely on an "honor" system? Instead of stipulating that only images "created for" the contest are eligible - a kind of vague definition - let's say that only images not published on any home page or whose parameters have not previously been posted to this list are eligible. The results will be the same and there will be no questions of honor. Gedeon -- Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: July 6, 1998 Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html Last updated: July 3, 1998 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 6 pars(Ormandels) Date: 11 Jul 1998 20:19:38 EDT Here's a few Ormandel images....heavy bof60 as usual.....Enjoy~ Jim ***************************************************************************** orm43001 { ; 0:01:24.47 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_o.frm formulaname=Ormandelbrot43 function=asin passes=t center-mag=-4.88498e-015/6.66134e-015/0.389445/1/90 params=0.25/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0 periodicity=0 colors=000vxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8t\ l8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5d\ L<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4RE<3>142700<13>N98O\ 99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>\ 0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATxASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>\ 5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Ya`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTS\ SRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJvWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFH\ PDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<5>PPKTTNXYQ<6>vxk } orm43002 { ; 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0:02:42.31 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/11/98 image(c) JamesWeaver reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_o.frm formulaname=OrmandelPower function=recip/sqr passes=1 center-mag=-1.01396/2.22045e-016/1.27551/1/90 params=0.25/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 periodicity=0 colors=000321<5>PPKTTNXYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4T\ L5YO5bS6gX7k`7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2\ >011295<2>4QE4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4X\ H4RE<3>142700<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO\ <2>9SN8RM8QL7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVy\ ATxASw9Ru9Ps8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Y\ a`Ya`Y`_Y`_X<2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSI\ sUJvWJvWJ<5>`JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:26:56 -0700 Damien, > Is six weeks long enough? Just barely, considering last time. And I'd guess we would not have the rules settled before another week or so. Summer ends late September. A good ending time is on a week end, at midnight Saturday/Sunday in a named time zone. I suggest Midnight Sat/Sun Pacific Daylight time (1700 UTC) on Sep 5, 1998. We could get the voting done by Sep 19. For the Pacific time zone, see the PDT clock on my web page, http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/ or go to the original (UTC): http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:26:56 -0700 Damien, > Is six weeks long enough? Just barely, considering last time. And I'd guess we would not have the rules settled before another week or so. Summer ends late September. A good ending time is on a week end, at midnight Saturday/Sunday in a named time zone. I suggest Midnight Sat/Sun Pacific Daylight time (1700 UTC) on Sep 5, 1998. We could get the voting done by Sep 19. For the Pacific time zone, see the PDT clock on my web page, http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/ or go to the original (UTC): http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ Jay Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) PARS Date: 11 Jul 1998 21:22:04 -0700 I sent a couple of sets of pars yesterday and they never arrived- I hope Dr. J doesn't have them. These are from my attempt at a hybrid "UCgrav". ucgrav4 { ; kathy roth 6-98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ucgrav.frm formulaname=Ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0.2/1.3/2 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 colors=000000<2>zzW<3>000<4>z0z<2>00\ 0000<2>JTw<3>000<4>z00<2>000000<2>0z\ 0<3>000<4>zW0<2>000000<2>jUy<3>000<4>Nh\ w<2>000000<2>xkk<3>000<4>WKG<2>00\ 0000<2>vEP<3>000<4>rZM<2>000000<2>qS\ o<3>000<4>zz0<2>000000<2>Wzt<3>000<4\ >xH0<2>000000<2>zzW<3>000<4>bNM<2>000\ 000<2>EeL<3>000<4>_9z<2>000000<2>5Y\ z<3>000<4>z5Y<2>000000<2>llZ<3>0000\ 00<3>kkk<2>000000<2>dJz<3>000<4>ez0<2\ >000000<2>zhQ<3>000<4>0zz<2>00000\ 0<2>y7a<3>000<4>cZH<2>000000<2>WhQ<3>00\ 0<4>00z00e00L } ucgrav1 { ; kathy roth 6-98 ; Kerry Mitchell map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ucgrav.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0.1/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 logmode=fly viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=202A_immmwwc2cwmmU6Wa2_a2WY\ 6SYAOYASaEOaEKYIGYMCYMGaIKaIOeISiMOiMK\ eQGeQKiUGiUCeU8aQCaQ8YU4YU0UQ4UQ0QU\ 4QU8MUCIQ8IQ4MM0MM4II0II4MI8QM4QM8UIC\ UEGUECQAGQAKU6OU2SU2OQ6KQ6GM2KM2GI6C\ IA8IACME8ME4IE0EE4AA0AA4E68E2CE28A64\ A606246642A82A46E86EC2IG2MK2MG6IC6I8\ AI4EM8EMCAQGAQCEUGEUKAUO6QK6QO2<2>a_\ 2aW6YS6YOAYKEaOEaSAeWAeSEiWEi_Aic6e_6e\ c2ig2mk2mg6qk6qo2us2yw2ys6uo6ukAyo\ AykEugEqcEqgAmcA<2>mSMqWMq_IucIygIyc\ Mu_MuWQy_QyWUuSUqOUqSQmOQmKUiGUeCUeG\ QiKQiOMiSIeOIeKMaGMaKIYGIYCMY8QaCQa8U\ Y4UY0Ya4Ya0aY4aY8eYCia8ia4ee0ee4ii0\ ii4ei8ae4ae8YiCYmGYmCaqGaqKYuOYySYyO\ auKauGeyKeyGiuCiq8iqCem8em4im0mm4qq0\ qq4mu8myCmy8qu4qu0uy4uy0yu4yq8yq4um8u\ mCyiGyeKyeGuiCui8qi4me8meCqaGqaCmYG\ mYKqYOuaKuaOy<2>Q_yQWuUSuUOqUKmQOmQS\ qMWqMSmIWmI_qIcuM_uMcyIgyEkyEguAkuAo\ y6sy2wy2su6ou6kq2oq2km6gmAcmAgqEcq<2>ESeAWe } ucgrav2 { ; 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kathy roth 6-98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ucgrav.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 logmode=fly viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000iwA0_T0mg0sww\ d_Lu<5>0zz<9>000<231>000kkk } frm:Ucgrav{;6-1-98 kathy roth ;variation on frm by Morgan Owens and Mark Christenson t=p1,bailout=real(p3),z=pixel,v=imag(p3): x=real(z),y=imag(z) ax=4*x-2,ay=4*y-2 Tx=fn1(ax*(ax*ax-2)) Ty=fn1(ay*(ay*ay-2)) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) w = fn1(z) z = fn3(v/fn2(w*w)) + p2 |z| < p3 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) more PARS Date: 11 Jul 1998 21:35:29 -0700 Here are some from Morgan Owen' group of formulas which he will send you if you ask. 1Egyptian_jug { ; kathy roth 6-98 ;Jim Muth map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=P04-01 center-mag=8.94e-006/3.64e-0\ 06/0.5466677 params=-0.1/0 colors=000q_NoSLmLIkeTivbfvc<6>Pei\ HXSNceMaaL`ZKZVLY71gX<2>9bUzviE_THZSeU\ O<4>MYSSpxSpxSpxapxkpxtoD003003aPLV\ dNP`Q7I3DQGdIJUQO_W4<6>LYPi5a<5>MUTZv\ c<3>MbU`S7<3>MXOpgN<2>R_RPvWMkUUTJOW\ OkkE<4>N_QvWphXgWY_uOJaTOarISgNmAi<4\ >OUV5X6<5>HYPTSTOVS5sl<3>HaWQ49<2>KR\ OsBE`NLKvMJsN<3>JaRSEu<6>KWVTnR<4>K_\ SC6`FGYHPVnq8N4aLEYKOVdvi<3>NbV0Zp0R\ h<4>GXUbKNTRQUaK<5>KYRLid<4>J_UnoVs6\ JfGMVPP72WalynVtzEl<4>JpJ<2>wkJ<3>JP\ X<2>k1SiLfgcutlG<7>EGH<4>8ZZ<4>wotdU\ lN9e<5>JEOJELGRWEbeCnoAvy8sv<6>1D\ d<3>nswdW`W8E<2>7gt<7>sfQ } 2alien_lute { ; kathy roth 6-98 ; droz map colors=000<4>05L06P07S08V09Y0A`<2>0Bf\ 0Cg0Cg0Ch0Cg0Cg<2>0Bb0A`09Y08V07S<2\ >04H03D028014000<2>0E30J40N50R60V7<2>0\ dA0gB0iB0jB0lC0lC0mC0lC0lC0jB0iB<2\ >0a90Z80V70R60N5<4>000<3>09O0BU0DZ0Fc\ 0Hh0Jl0Kp0Ms0Nu0Nx0Oy0Oz0Pz<2>0Nx0N\ u0Ms0Kp0Jl<2>0DZ0BU09O<3>000<2>IE3OJ\ 4UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzm\ CzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpdAla9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>00\ 0<3>O00U00Z00c00h00l00p00s00u00x0\ 0y00z00z00<2>x00u00s00p00l00<2>Z00U00O\ 00<3>000<3>O00U00Z00c00h00l00p00s0\ 0u00x00y00z00z00<2>x00u00s00p00l00<2>Z0\ 0U00O00<3>000<7>H00J00K00M00<3>O0\ 0P00O00<2>N00M00K00<5>900700400200\ 000<7>H00J00K00M00<3>O00P00O00<2>N00M0\ 0K00<5>900700400200 } 3alien_cow { ; kathy roth 6-98 ; wizzle map colors=000fff<13>zzz000<9>0zz<9>r\ 0r<9>000<47>000111333<29>zzz<30>2220000\ 00<39>000Z0AU00<6>m00<7>T0m<4>F0F<2>000<30>eee } 4alien_cow { ; kathy roth 6-98 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=P04-01 center-mag=3.615e-005/8.885e-006/0.54\ 66693 params=0.1/0.011 colors=000fff<13>zzz000<9>0zz<9>r\ 0r<9>000<47>000111333<29>zzz<30>2220000\ 00<39>000Z0AU00<6>m00<7>T0m<4>F\ 0F<2>000<30>eee } rosetta_stone { ; kathy roth 6-98 ; droz map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=P05-01 center-mag=4.68e-006/2.205e-006/0.6666676 params=0.1/0 colors=000<5>MDDQFGUHIXJK_LMbNO<2>k\ STmTUpVWrWXsXYuYZwZ_<2>y`az`az`az`az`\ a<2>x_`wZ_uYZ<2>pVWnUVkST<3>`LMYKKUI\ I<4>C77855422000323757<3>MHMPKPTNTWP\ W_S_<2>hZhj`jmbmodoqeq<3>xjxykyyl\ y<3>zlzzlzylyxkxwjw<2>rfrpepncnlali_ifY\ fdWd<5>KGKHDHDAD979545111212<5>LJ\ POMSRPWURZXUa<2>c`jeblgcoieqkgs<3>pkxql\ yqlzqlzrmzqlzqlz<3>nivmhtkgs<2>ebl\ c`jaYg<2>URZRPWOMSLJP<3>87A546100100<6\ >LA0OC0RD0TE0WG0YH0<3>eL0fL0hM0iN0j\ N0kO0<5>lO0lO0kO0<3>gM0eL0dK0bJ0`I0<4\ >PC0NB0KA0H80<3>520211000<7>OCCQDDT\ EEVFFYHH<2>cKKdKKfLLgMMiNN<2>kOOlOOlO\ OlOO<2>lOOkOOkOOjNNhMMgMM<5>XGGVFFSEE<8>311 } frm:P04-01{;Morgan Owens ;comment Chebyshev Types ;Inspired by Clifford A. Pickover ;Dynamic (Euler method) ; = (7zP03-3P02)/4 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=(5*xx*(7*xx-6)+3)/8 Ty=(5*yy*(7*yy-6)+3)/8 x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:P05-01(Origin){; = (9zP04-4P03)/5 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=x*(7*xx*(9*xx-10)+15)/8 Ty=y*(7*yy*(9*yy-10)+15)/8 x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) improved pars Date: 12 Jul 1998 00:23:46 -0700 Sometimes the bells and whistles really do make it look better. ucgrav5 { ; kathy roth 7-98 ; Kerry Mitchell map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.72\ 04/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0.1/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 logmode=fly decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=202A_immmwwc2cwmmU6Wa2_a2WY\ 6SYAOYASaEOaEKYIGYMCYMGaIKaIOeISiMOiMK\ eQGeQKiUGiUCeU8aQCaQ8YU4YU0UQ4UQ0QU4\ QU8MUCIQ8IQ4MM0MM4II0II4MI8QM4QM8UIC\ UEGUECQAGQAKU6OU2SU2OQ6KQ6GM2KM2GI6C\ IA8IACME8ME4IE0EE4AA0AA4E68E2CE28A64\ A606246642A82A46E86EC2IG2MK2MG6IC6I8\ AI4EM8EMCAQGAQCEUGEUKAUO6QK6QO2<2>a_\ 2aW6YS6YOAYKEaOEaSAeWAeSEiWEi_Aic6e_6ec2\ ig2mk2mg6qk6qo2us2yw2ys6uo6ukAyo\ AykEugEqcEqgAmcA<2>mSMqWMq_IucIyg\ IycMu_MuWQy_QyWUuSUqOUqSQmOQmKUiGUeCUeG\ QiKQiOMiSIeOIeKMaGMaKIYGIYCMY8QaCQa\ 8UY4UY0Ya4Ya0aY4aY8eYCia8ia4ee0ee4ii0\ ii4ei8ae4ae8YiCYmGYmCaqGaqKYuOYySYy\ OauKauGeyKeyGiuCiq8iqCem8em4im0mm4qq0\ qq4mu8myCmy8qu4qu0uy4uy0yu4yq8yq4um8\ umCyiGyeKyeGuiCui8qi4me8meCqaGqaCmYG\ mYKqYOuaKuaOy<2>Q_yQWuUSuUOqUKmQOmQ\ SqMWqMSmIWmI_qIcuM_uMcyIgyEkyEguAkuAo\ y6sy2wy2su6ou6kq2oq2km6gmAcmAgqEcq<2>ESeAWe } ucgrav6 { ; kathy roth 7-98 ; wizzle map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0.1/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 logmode=fly decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000aaa<17>zzz000<9>0zz<9>r0r<9>0\ 00<47>000111333<29>zzz<30>2220000\ 00<39>000Z0AU00<6>m00<7>T0m<4>F0F<2>000<26>___ } ucgrav7 { ; kathy roth 7-98 ; wizzle map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 logmode=fly decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000iwA0_T0mg0swwd_Lu<5>0zz<9>000<231>000kkk } ucgrav8 { ; kathy roth 7-98 ; wizzle map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=ucgrav function=log/cosxx/tan center-mag=257.634/-18.7204/0.003459964/1/-90 params=0.1/0/0/0.1/1.3/1 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan logmode=fly viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000PP<5>0zz<9>r0r<9>000<47>0\ 00111333<29>zzz<30>222000000<39>000Z\ 0AU00<6>m00<7>T0m<4>F0F<2>000<45>zzz000<2>0II } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 6 pars(hualp&yyt) Date: 12 Jul 1998 04:39:09 EDT Just a few quickies here.......Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************************** ** hualp001 { ; 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The number of different >possible ways a line segment can be subdivided into a Cantor dust? Yeah... or in other words, the number of subsets of aleph-one. -Andrew () -- Andrew Schoonmaker (neon@eskimo.com) On the other hand, you have different fingers. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James R. McKenzie" Subject: Re: (fractint) web par Date: 12 Jul 1998 04:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Can you please sen dthis without the Rich Text stuff in it? I cannot use RT at all. Even with Word Pad it won't cut and paste worth a damn. == James R. McKenzie WHOOKAM88@YAHOO.COM Madness, Manutia and Mahem, I gotta be me. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John C. A. Misterio'" Subject: Re: (fractint) Windows 98 problem... Date: 12 Jul 1998 12:27:42 +0200 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms5B346AA6715F6ABC01AE1959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gedeon Peteri wrote: > TRMoe@aol.com wrote: > > > To create a desktop icon in Windows 98: ...... The default icon is not very > > attractive though. > > They seldom are. That is why I created a number of fractal icons. If interested, you > can download two small icon libraries at my web site (Euler and ZfAng pages). Moreover, > I would be glad to send a fractal icon library (.icl) containing about 250 48x48 icons > to anyone who wants it, and whose e-mail client can handle a 353 KB attachment (zip > file). Write to me personally if you want it. > > Gedeon > > ************************************************ > http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html > Member Infinite Fractal Loop > Last updated: June 29, 1998 > ************************************************ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Yes, sounds interesting. Thx in adv. 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kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 12 Jul 1998 10:41:48 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > At 05:38 7/11/98 -0400, you wrote: > >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Andrew Schoonmaker wrote: > >> That makes the _number_ of Cantor dusts aleph-two... > > > >What do you mean, the number of Cantor dusts? The number of different > >possible ways a line segment can be subdivided into a Cantor dust? > > Yeah... or in other words, the number of subsets of aleph-one. > > -Andrew () The set of subsets of the points in a line segment that form Cantor dusts is much smaller than the set of all subsets of the points in that line segment. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RJ Corradino" Subject: (fractint) Fractal Chat Date: 12 Jul 1998 13:49:09 -0400 Angela wrote; > > p.s.s. Fractal chat anyone?????? (bring your cocktail forks) > I'd love one. I finally have enough free time to show up! Afternoons or evenings are probably best for me... -RJ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "RJ Corradino" Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest Rules Date: 12 Jul 1998 14:24:27 -0400 Maybe the categories should be split up into two groups: generic and specific. Generic would be like best colors, best mandelbrot, etc. The specific would be like Wizzle's 'best organ' etc. Each fractal can be entered into one specific category, and as many generics as it applies to. What do you guys think? Now, some category suggestions: Best sky scene Best landscape Best recoloring- everyone starts off with the same par, can only alter the colors untitled- Start with a quote from a favorite book, movie, song, or whatever. Make a fractal to accompany it. untitled- Same as above, but use your own words(either a poem, a short story, or a FotD/FotN philosophy type thing) -RJ Damien wrote; > Angela, > - If the rules state that the 3 (or whatever) images can be entered willy > - nilly into categories then the logical strategy to to enter them into > - Every ONE!!!! That defeats the purpose of categories, in my mind. > > Point. How about if each image can be entered in two categories (to keep > it simple)? Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 2 questions Date: 12 Jul 1998 19:49:41 EDT I recently started using an internet service provider and apparently I don't have the option to receive mail. I wanted to begin posting my images to ABPF but I don't know how. :( If someone could be so kind as to send info on what I need to start posting images to ABPF, I'd very much appreciate it. Also, I was wondering if there's anyway to determine what size an image is in KBs after it's been saved and without having to exit Fractint? Thanks for everything~ Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Tildes and such Date: 12 Jul 1998 21:49:32 -0400 Jason, You might want to look under the Mail Format tab in the Tools|Options dialog. Set the first combo box to Text (not HTML or rich text) then click the Settings button. Set the format to MIME then the encoding type to none. // It's off-topic, yes, but anyone found a simple solution to this // MS Outlook // ~!'&* nastiness??? Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Kiely Subject: (fractint) PARS - 4 x Modified Carlson Images Date: 12 Jul 1998 23:06:48 -0600 My first par posting. Hope it works OK. Here are 4 pars based on a modified Paul Carlson formula. Originality might come later when I'm more familiar with the 'craft'. Let me know if I've stuffed up! wk98001a { ; Wayne Kiely ; Modified Paul Carlson formula (cdp_jul_mand) reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=WK980711 center-mag=-0.635994/0/0.819728 params=0/0.33/1/1/4/60 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<58>O00zz0<58>aG00zR<58>0C4GGz<58>00O000<13>000 } wk98001b { ; Wayne Kiely ; Modified Paul Carlson formula (cdp_jul_mand) reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=WK980711 center-mag=-1.11022e-015/8.88178e-016/0.7736183 params=-1/0.4/0.2/0.55/4/60 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<58>O00zz0<58>aG00zR<58>0C4GGz<58>00O000<13>000 } wk98001c { ; Wayne Kiely ; Modified Paul Carlson formula (cdp_jul_mand) reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=WK980711 center-mag=-1.11022e-015/8.88178e-016/0.7736183 params=-1/0.4/0.35/0.55/4/60 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<58>O00zz0<58>aG00zR<58>0C4GGz<58>00O000<13>000 } wk98001d { ; Wayne Kiely ; Modified Paul Carlson formula (cdp_jul_mand) reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=WK980711 center-mag=-1.11022e-015/8.88178e-016/0.7736183 params=-1/0.4/0.2/0.6/4/60 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ colors=000z88<58>O00zz0<58>aG00zR<58>0C4GGz<58>00O000<13>000 } frm:WK980711 { ; Modified Cdp_Jul_Mand frm (Paul Carlson) ; Always use float=y, outside=summ ; real(p1) = 0 if Mset, otherwise Julia set ; imag(p1) = maximum value of ratio (try 0.01 to 0.40) ; p2 = Julia set coordinates (not used if Mset) ; real(p3) = number of color ranges ; imag(p3) = number of colors in a range ; z = iter = range_num = bailout = 0 IF (real(p1) == 0) prev_w = 0 c = pixel ELSE prev_w = pixel c = p2 ENDIF max_r = imag(p1)^2 num_ranges = real(p3) colors_in_range = imag(p3) colors_in_range_1 = colors_in_range - 1 : w = prev_w * prev_w + c ; r = |prev_w| / |w| prev_w = w IF (r < max_r && iter > 0) bailout = 1 z = colors_in_range_1 * r / max_r + range_num * colors_in_range + 1 ENDIF range_num = range_num + 1 IF (range_num == num_ranges) range_num = 0 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 4 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Schoonmaker Subject: RE: (fractint) Lost Fractal Date: 13 Jul 1998 01:01:31 -0700 At 10:41 7/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >The set of subsets of the points in a line segment that form Cantor >dusts is much smaller than the set of all subsets of the points in that >line segment. Yeah, I guess you're right. It must have just been "dusts", as opposed to Cantor dusts specifically... -Andrew (who wouldn't mind this discussion being pronounced dead...) -- Andrew Schoonmaker (neon@eskimo.com) On the other hand, you have different fingers. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 13 Jul 1998 04:21:48 EDT Damien, In a message dated 98-07-11 18:17:48 EDT, you write: << Is six weeks long enough? Assuming we spend a few more days wrangling over the rules and categories, this would put the close of the contest right around the end of summer. Then the judging would begin. Is six weeks too long? >> Six weeks sounds just about right, with the contest ending at the start of September. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 13 Jul 1998 09:08:17 -0400 Hi All, I'd really prefer a "Fractint only" contest. Not that I don't like images created with other programs but, as I have a slow modem, I don't want to spend many hours in downloading hundreds of images. - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 10:19:18 -0400 >> I'd really prefer a "Fractint only" contest. Not that I don't like images created with other programs but, as I have a slow modem, I don't want to spend many hours in downloading hundreds of images.<< I totally agree. One way would be to put all the pars into one file that= could be downloaded after a deadline for par submittals. Then give some time to generate the pars. If post-processed images and non-Fractint images are to be included in the contest, then the time to download those= would be considerably shorter and more acceptable than downloading everything. Lee Skinner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: (fractint) contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 08:08:10 -0700 >> I'd really prefer a "Fractint only" contest. Not that I don't like images created with other programs but, as I have a slow modem, I don't want to spend many hours in downloading hundreds of images.<< I totally agree. One way would be to put all the pars into one file that could be downloaded after a deadline for par submittals. Then give some time to generate the pars. If post-processed images and non-Fractint images are to be included in the contest, then the time to download those would be considerably shorter and more acceptable than downloading everything. Lee Skinner I don't think it should be Fractint only. You can have a best of "Fractint" and best of "other". I don't think others should be excluded because they don't use Fractint. Faye Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) New gallery Date: 13 Jul 1998 10:03:54 -0700 Having a wonderful time! Drop in and say, "Hi!" Linda http://www/fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery3.html Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: New gallery Date: 13 Jul 1998 12:28:39 -0500 Mike and Linda Allison wrote: > > http://www/fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery3.html > If anyone has a problem, try the following: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery3.html Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) 8 pars(gallet302&303) Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:30:35 EDT Here's some really nice stuff to gaze at.....Enjoy~ Jim ****************************************************************** gl302001 { ; 0:00:57.39 75mhz 800x600 ; 7/13/98 image(c) JamesWeaver ; ; reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=les_pars.frm formulaname=Gallet-3-02 function=cosxx/sinh passes=t center-mag=0.0553474/0.0553474/0.3827312/1/45 params=0.5/-0.25/2/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=bof60 colors=000XYQ<6>vxkvxk<5>``TXYQTTN<5>7643210011751C82IC3OH4TL5YO5bS6gX7k\ `7nd7qg8tl8up8wt8ww8ww8wt8vp8tl8qg7nd7k`6gX5cS5ZO4UL3PH3JC<2>011295<2>4Q\ E4WH5_J5dL<2>7qS7sT8vU8xV9yWAyWAzW9yW8xV8vU7tT7qS6nQ<2>5`J4XH4RE<3>14270\ 0<13>N98O99O99<14>7000D6<3>4ID4JF5KG6MH<3>8RM9SN9UN9VO9WO9WO<2>9SN8RM8QL\ 7OK7NJ<7>0D60921B92CE3EK<2>5I_6Jd7Lh8Ml8Op9Pr9RuASwATxAVyAVyATxASw9Ru9Ps\ 8Op8Mm<3>5HW4FR3EL<2>093201<3>GEEJIHMLJPOM<2>WVTYXVZYW_ZX`_Ya`Ya`Y`_Y`_X\ <2>WVTUTSSRPPONMLKKII<4>21120E62EA4FD7FI9G<4>`JIcLIgNIkQIoSIsUJvWJvWJ<5>\ `JIXHHTFHPDGLBGI9GD7F<2>20E321<6>TTN } gl302002 { ; 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Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 12:43:04 -0500 Lee Skinner wrote: > > Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > > > I'd really prefer a "Fractint only" contest. Not that > > I don't like images created with other programs but, > > as I have a slow modem, I don't want to spend many > > hours in downloading hundreds of images. > > > > I totally agree. One way would be to put all the pars into > one file that could be downloaded after a deadline for par > submittals. Then give some time to generate the pars. If > post-processed images and non-Fractint images are to be > included in the contest, then the time to download those > would be considerably shorter and more acceptable than > downloading everything. > I totally disagree. Just because some individuals don't want to take the time to view images created by various different programs and methods outside of FractInt, doesn't mean that those images should not be a part of a FRACTAL Contest. The FractInt submitted images can still be put into a collective file of PARs and FRMs so that anyone who wishes may download and run from their machines. All others can be viewed from the Fractalus Server as images. This would not mean that there will be hundreds of non-FractInt images to view. Is this going to be presented to the Fractal-Art List for those others that aren't on this list to put in their two cents, or will a decision be made without evening considering their opinions? Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 15:28:51 -0400 Paul, >>I totally disagree. Just because some individuals don't want to take t= he time to view images created by various different programs and methods outside of FractInt, doesn't mean that those images should not be a part = of a FRACTAL Contest.<<< I don't object to non-fractint images. I'm just saying that the time (an= d expense) of downloading images where pars could be downloaded instead cou= ld be decreased if the pars were availiable. >>The FractInt submitted images can still be put into a collective file o= f PARs and FRMs so that anyone who wishes may download and run from their machines. All others can be viewed from the Fractalus Server as images. = This would not mean that there will be hundreds of non-FractInt images to= view.<< There were 147 images last time. We have more people now. >>Is this going to be presented to the Fractal-Art List for those others that aren't on this list to put in their two cents, or will a decision be= made without evening considering their opinions?<< If non-Fractint images are to be included, the contest should probably be= run on the the fractal-art list. Afterall, this is a Fractint specific mailing list. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Faye Williams" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:12:16 -0700 -----Original Message----- snipped I don't object to non-fractint images. I'm just saying that the time (and expense) of downloading images where pars could be downloaded instead could be decreased if the pars were availiable. >> The zars from Tierazon, inks from Itinerations, etc. can also be downloaded as easily as pars. Faye Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 16:28:47 -0400 Faye, >>The zars from Tierazon, inks from Itinerations, etc. can also be downloaded as easily as pars.<< My point exactly. Give viewers a choice. I would download a Tierazon imag= e as I don't use Tierazon. Those that do can download the zar. But it sometimes take me 45 minutes to download a detailed fractal image that ca= n be recomputed under two minutes and doesn't tie up my phone line. The purpose fractal-art list is to showcase all types of fractal-art and should be the medium for an all inclusive fractal contest. It would make= more sense for a contest on the Fractint list one that would showcase the= capabilities of the Fractint program, and perhaps also allow post-processing. Lee Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest - points to consider Date: 13 Jul 1998 15:53:22 -0500 I'll try to make this an all-inclusive reply. First, the important bit: I've posted a *PRELIMINARY* set of rules and built a contest web site. You can check it out here: http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/ Any comments on the rules as posted can be sent directly to me. Now, on to more specific responses. Angela, - 6 weeks to fractal seems about right and ought to bridge most vacations - and interruptions caused by the dreaded work or other annoyances. The consensus seems to be that six weeks is enough. - Although many of my category suggestions were made very tongue in cheek, - I do think we ought to have at least a couple of non-serious categories. I think this is a good idea. - Did anyone post an invite to the fractal-art list for entries?? Is Damien - ready to post here there and everywhere the proposed categories?? Yes, I'm ready. Gedeon, - Why rely on an "honor" system? Because any determined cheater could work around the restriction if they really wanted to. I have clarified the requirement in the preliminary rules, though. Sylvie, Lee, Regarding downloading hundreds of images: I don't see any reason why the PARs for FractInt images can't be downloaded once the voting period starts. And similar parameter files for other programs, where appropriate, of course. Paul, - Is this going to be presented to the Fractal-Art List for those others - that aren't on this list to put in their two cents, or will a decision - be made without evening considering their opinions? I will post a notice there today. This will probably be my last post to the FractInt list on this topic. :-) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbenven@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: (fractint) contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 15:12:12 -0700 For a category in the contest I suggest the best portrayal of an emotion. The image will have to be titled with a one word emotion or feeling such as sadness, bliss, ecstasy, anger, lust, indecision, laughter, pride, greed, joy, reverence, contentment etc... and will be judged on how well the fractal captures/expresses that emotion. Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 13 Jul 1998 18:20:19 -0400 Lee et al, >> I don't object to non-fractint images. I'm just saying that the time >> (and expense) of downloading images where pars could be downloaded >> instead could be decreased if the pars were availiable. I totally agree. - Sylvie Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Contest - points to clear up Date: 13 Jul 1998 18:06:01 -0700 Hi artists, There are several obvious benefits to these contests. One is the feed back the artist will get from the comments. (Alas, images not getting votes will not get this benefit, even though it is there most needed). Another is what we all learn from studying the technique of the winners (or runner ups we really enjoyed). One reason I stopped reading the binary download Usenet group is there was nothing to be learned about technique. We just look, admire and wonder. :-( So, with that, here are some questions. We need to make clear the use of formula files, in Fractint, they are the frm files. a) Can we use any posted by others such as Paul Carlson's (sure winners in there). [Hmmm... same question for color maps.] b) Can we create new ones? c) ditto a) and b) for non-Fractint programs. d) Can we use programs from on any platform? Even UNIX? e) Are all parameter/formula files to be made public along with submission of image (or after contest close)? f) Can we use new programs made special for this contest? g) Would said programs have to them be posted? h) Are all details of post processing processes to be disclosed (so as to be reproducible)? Clearly, the information transfer should occur after contest close (Sep 5) but before judging can begin. The questions are how much information is required and how much freedom to create do we have? Side note: the image should have an indication of the artists preferred save name, so we can all sing to the same music in referring to images. That goes for now and in the distant future. In some cases there may be a preferred image setting (rows X columns X colors). Jay PS. Can we make 'teh' an official alternate spelling for 'the'? Oh nevermind. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mctupper" Subject: (fractint) RE: Contest - points to clear up Date: 13 Jul 1998 20:51:47 -0600 Jay Hill spoke thusly: |There are several obvious benefits to these contests. One is |the feed back the artist will get from the comments. (Alas, |images not getting votes will not get this benefit, even though |it is there most needed). Another is what we all learn from |studying the technique of the winners (or runner ups we |really enjoyed). How about an open forum/guestbook or something, so people can make constructive comments to all entrants. Maybe even make it accesible to everybody, so we can all learn. |e) Are all parameter/formula files to be made public along with |submission of image (or after contest close)? I certainly hope so. I learned a lot from the last contest. |h) Are all details of post processing processes to be disclosed |(so as to be reproducible)? In this case, I don't think it would be a good idea. The images with that much work in them deserve to remain the exclusive property of the creator. I'd be happy just to know the general programs and techniques. |PS. Can we make 'teh' an official alternate |spelling for 'the'? Oh nevermind. I approve of that idea. :) Xylen I live in another Dimension. I just have a summer home in Reality. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest - points to clear up Date: 13 Jul 1998 21:52:56 -0500 Jay, Please see my reply on the Fractal-Art list. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 14 Jul 1998 03:16:43 EDT Fractint is the only fractal generator I've used. I'm running Win3.1, therefore I couldn't use Tierazon or Iterations, although I am anxious to try....someday. For the present, Fractint is quite satisfactory to me....however, this IS the Fractint listserver, and I feel the contest should be for Fractint produced images. Maybe there should be a Tierazon and Iterations listserver? Or else maybe just move the whole contest to the Fractal Art list! I also feel the images should be in raw, unretouched format......just my opinion. I have nothing more to say, ....I have no *cents* .....besides, I'd rather go make some more images. G'nite~ Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 07:50:31 -0700 I think if your idea about bundling a fractint par file for those with slow modems were implemented, much of the download problem would be resolved. Maybe Damien would be kind enough to zip up the remaining gifs/jpgs as well? Perhaps a file-size limit would be helpful. How about 250K per image? That's pretty generous, but some folks might need to convert from .bmp (which is HUGE) to jpg to get to the right size. Maybe even a smaller file size limit is in order..... I do like the idea of seeing Fractint in competition with other programs and Tim has said he has no objections to us discussing other programs on this list. Lee Skinner wrote: > > Paul, > > >>I totally disagree. Just because some individuals don't want to take the > time to view images created by various different programs and methods > outside of FractInt, doesn't mean that those images should not be a part of > a FRACTAL Contest.<<< > > I don't object to non-fractint images. I'm just saying that the time (and > expense) of downloading images where pars could be downloaded instead could > be decreased if the pars were availiable. < > If non-Fractint images are to be included, the contest should probably be > run on the the fractal-art list. Afterall, this is a Fractint specific > mailing list. > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 07:55:49 -0700 I like this one!!!!!!!!! Get's my vote as a category. jbenven@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > For a category in the contest I suggest the best portrayal of an > emotion. > The image will have to be titled with a one word emotion or feeling such > as > sadness, bliss, ecstasy, anger, lust, indecision, laughter, pride, > greed, joy, > reverence, contentment etc... and will be judged on how well the fractal > captures/expresses that emotion. > > Jim > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) Contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 11:26:12 -0400 If we decide to post the images for download, I suggest we use the PNG format rather than the JPG format. JPG is too lossy and it makes the images look grainy. PNG isn't lossy at all, and it provides far better compression over GIF, and for images such as fractals or other computer generated art, GIF (which is PNG's grandfather) is superior to JPG. JPG is designed for photographs and 'real' images. PNG is designed to replace GIF, so I think it is definitely the way to go. Pete Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbenven@ix.netcom.com Subject: (fractint) Re: format Date: 14 Jul 1998 09:18:18 -0700 I am considering adding to my fractal software output of .PAR and .FRM files so I can still search for fractals with my software but make contest submissions, and other interactions with the FractInt community easier. Can anybody supply me with the palette encoding in the colors= statement or the format/meaning of stuff in the .PAR file in general? Maybe we chould form an ISO subcommittee, spend years, produce a 450 page document standardizing an ascii format to represent parameters and formulas so all fractal programs can incorperate it and can easily share work, making contests, sharing, etc. etc. easier. We can charge hundreds of dollars for it and distribute it only in a very poorly xerox-ed hard copy. (just kidding) Thanks, Jim Jim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrej Lajovic Subject: (fractint) screen saver + raytracing Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:20:21 +0000 I would like to have a picture of color cycling plasma fractal as a screen saver, but I have no ideas how to do it. Any suggestions...? I don't even know if it is possible to do color cycling from a batch file. Another thing: Some time ago I asked you for the raw2pov converter. Well, actually I still don't have it, but I compiled another one that just converts the fractint's output format in *real* Pov-ray 3.02 format. It is aviable at http://www2.arnes.si/~alajov/fractals/pov.html (there is also link to home page of Pov-ray program, if you are going to download it). Have a good time! Andrej Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 14 Jul 1998 12:03:58 -0500 Jim, - For the present, Fractint is quite satisfactory to me....however, this - IS the Fractint listserver, and I feel the contest should be for - Fractint produced images. - ... - Or else maybe just move the whole contest to the Fractal Art list! Done! :-) Angela, - I think if your idea about bundling a fractint par file for those with - slow modems were implemented, much of the download problem would be - resolved. I agree. - Maybe Damien would be kind enough to zip up the remaining gifs/jpgs as - well? I think that would be a manageable feat. - Perhaps a file-size limit would be helpful. How about 250K per image? Considering all the images submitted will be 640x480, GIF or JPEG, I'm not sure a file size limit is needed. A 640x480 256-color image, prior to compression, is 300K; and even the weakest JPEG compressor is normally able to squeeze a 640x480 24-bit image (900K) down to less than 250K without substantial loss. - ...some folks might need to convert from .bmp (which is HUGE) to jpg - to get to the right size. BMPs are not web material anyway. Since these images will, I suspect, be viewed primarily through a web browser, that restricts the choices to GIF and JPEG. (Mac browsers don't view BMP, although PC browsers do.) Pete, - If we decide to post the images for download, I suggest we use the PNG - format rather than the JPG format. JPEG gets a bad rap because people use it improperly. I especially see people ragging on it with regard to fractals, because in this case it is *very* easy to screw up. So I'm going to clear a few things up here. (Yes, you touched a nerve!) (1) PNG is a great format. It's the way GIF should have been designed in the first place; it supports all the things that just plain make sense. I would like to see browsers support PNG natively (and that means WITHOUT a plug-in). Until they do, it is thoroughly unsuitable for use in a web presentation. (2) PNG's compression is better than GIF, true enough. But it's not an order of magnitude better; it's only slightly better. When you save a true-color image in a PNG file, you are storing three times as much data as a 256-color GIF. Saving a true-color image in PNG format is probably a bad idea for web use, because the file size becomes huge. As a test, I saved two images in JPEG format, and two in PNG format. (Both were 24-bit images.) The JPEGs were 130K and 241K. The PNGs were 680K and 1340K. Assuming you wanted to download both pictures, is the *slight* difference between the two, barely distinguishable, worth waiting five times as long for the download? (3) JPEG is as lossy as you want it to be. A lot of programs present you with a slider when you save a JPEG, where you can set the quality, often as a number from 0 to 100. Well guess what, only one end of that scale is useful. If 0 is the best quality (worst compression), then anything higher than 20 looks like garbage. Usually 10-15 works better. If you crank the compression, you will get an image that looks like crap! You don't have to use maximum compression to get a reasonably small size. (4) JPEG offers TWO kinds of loss. One of them is to use lower resolution for color data than for luminance data; this is "4:2:2" subsampling. For photographs, this is fine, but for fractals (which have sharper color transitions) this does make muddy images. Switch to "4:4:4" subsampling to disable this feature. (5) Do not under any circumstances save a 256-color image in JPEG format unless you're trying to give JPEG a bad name. If you take the raw GIF output from something like FractInt and save it in a JPEG file, you WILL get a lousy picture. What you *should* be doing is rendering the image at high resolution, then resizing down to produce a 24-bit, anti-aliased image. This anti-aliased image will compress very well, with less loss, as a JPEG. See http://www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm for examples. (6) Not all JPEG compressors are equal! Some will produce an inferior image no matter what settings you use. If you can't seem to get your JPEG save utility to do a decent job, get a better one! Do some shopping (so to speak) and compare. If you want me to put up a web page explaining all of the above, I can do this. I've been using JPEG for a long time; if you think the images on my web page look like garbage, please do let me know--but it's almost certainly NOT due to their being JPEGs, because the originals look the same. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: (fractint) ICQ Number list - Rev.9 Date: 14 Jul 1998 16:28:17 +0200 FRACTINT MAILING LIST ICQ NUMBER LIST REV.9 This list can be found online at http://come.to/fractinticq A number of members have posted their ICQ numbers / nicknames on this list. I've put them on this list for clarity reasons. If you're not a member of ICQ yet, and are interested in becoming one, visit http://www.mirabilis.com, where you can download the software. After having installed the software, follow the instructions in the program to be assigned an ICQ number. Felix aka Xilef has opened the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. This group can be found at http://groups.icq.com/group.asp?no=28214 This list was last updated Tuesday July 14th, 16:21 GMT+1 (CET). Many thanx go to Paul N. Lee for tracking a lot of names. 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Christian 11760568 * Meltdown cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Wilczynski, Angela 503044 wizzle wizzle@cci-internet.com Wilczynski, Angela 1205072 wizzle wizzle@beachnet.com Wilson, John 14386215 * johnw@netpointer.com An asterisk (*) behind an ICQ # indicates that person is a member of the ICQ Fractint Interest Group. M indicates Master. This list may seem to have a bad lay-out if you're e-mail reader is using a variable-width font (like Microsoft products do). For a good overview, you might have to cut and paste into a text editor, or set the proportional (!) font to a fixed font in your mail reader. Any members on ICQ, who haven't mailed their #s yet, or haven't been listed here (my fault then), please mail. You can also mail if you're a new member of the ICQ Fractint Group (see above). This saves me some time finding out names and numbers. :-) If you notice an error on the list, don't hesitate to comment. This can be done to the list, but I prefer corrections to be sent to cstrik.isg@hetnet.nl Also, if you have a more than one ICQ number and don't use one of them, or just want your name removed from the list - just send me a mail. Or if you need a repost. Thanx in advance, Christian Strik Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:22:11 +0200 Wizzle wrote: :I think if your idea about bundling a fractint par file for those with slow :modems were implemented, much of the download problem would be resolved. Maybe :Damien would be kind enough to zip up the remaining gifs/jpgs as well. Zipping gif and especially jpeg files isn't useful. It's not very likely the file size shrinks by more than one percent. Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:29:05 +0200 Pete wrote: :If we decide to post the images for download, I suggest we use the PNG :format rather than the JPG format. JPG is too lossy and it makes the images :look grainy. PNG isn't lossy at all, and it provides far better compression :over GIF, and for images such as fractals or other computer generated art, :GIF (which is PNG's grandfather) is superior to JPG. JPG is designed for :photographs and 'real' images. PNG is designed to replace GIF, so I think :it is definitely the way to go. I agree. If, of course, the is enough software support for this format (I guess so - it is supported by Paint Shop Pro 4). Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Contest Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:53:23 -0500 Christian, - Zipping gif and especially jpeg files isn't useful. It's not very likely - the file size shrinks by more than one percent. In this case, ZIPping files serves another purpose besides compression: it allows you to download many files as a single block, without having to manually visit each page. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) screen saver + raytracing Date: 14 Jul 1998 14:17:03 -0500 Andrej Lajovic wrote: > > Another thing: Some time ago I asked you for the raw2pov converter. > Well, actually I still don't have it, ....... > You should be able to get RAW2POV at the following: http://shell3.ba.best.com/~beale/gforge/ Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: format Date: 14 Jul 1998 15:04:34 -0500 jbenven@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Can anybody supply me with the palette encoding in the > colors= statement or the format/meaning of stuff in the > .PAR file in general? > Actually, almost all of the information you could want is located in the 207 page FRACTINT.DOC file that is produced from running FractInt with the MAKEDOC= parameter. P.N.L. Why do most folks hate cynics so much? Because we're almost always right. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:10:40 EDT Grand Poo Bah II writes, > - For the present, Fractint is quite satisfactory to me....however, this > - IS the Fractint listserver, and I feel the contest should be for > - Fractint produced images. > - ... > - Or else maybe just move the whole contest to the Fractal Art list! > > Done! :-) how do I subscribe to this list? I can't find it on majordomo lists. Thanks, Luke http://members.xoom.com/lukeplant/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 14 Jul 1998 19:05:49 -0600 Jim wrote: > however, this IS the Fractint listserver, and I feel the contest should > be for Fractint produced images. FWIW, the charter for this list states that Fractint discussion is welcome, but that any fractal topics are also welcome, including discussion involving other programs. I have no problem with the contest including other fractal programs. However, since fractal-art is quiet and this list has quite a bit of traffic, I also think it is fine that fractal-art support a lot of the context message traffic. I personally subscribe to both lists. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: (fractint) Chbyshev.zip v1.0 (with PARs) Part I of XIII Date: 15 Jul 1998 17:22:00 +1200 As I said in the past, I have been working on a collection of formulae, and hoped to eventually make them available for full distribution as Chbyshev.zip. Pars using some of the formulae have already been posted over the past few months, and finally I feel confident that what I have is worth labelling as Chbyshev.zip version 1.0, and making it available for public distribution. This project would not have been possible without my trusty copy of PFE and the beta-test team (you know who you are!), who got sneak previews of the formula sets in its development stages and offered advice and kicks up the backside when I started dragging the chain; I would like to offer an especial thanks to Gedeon, whose uncounted comments, bug reports, and pars amounted to virtual co-authorship! Now there are at present 3000 formulae in the complete distribution, and future versions may include even more. So it doesn't seem like a good idea to swamp the list with the whole lot. So what I've arranged is this: over the next two weeks I will be posting the pars from the Chbyshev.zip distribution, with the formulae needed to make them run. To obtain the complete set of formuale, Les and Gedeon have both offered space on their web pages, respectively at http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html and http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fractasi.htm or of course by emailing me (not the list). Have fun, and if you have ideas for incorporation into v2 ... Morgan L. Owens Working3 { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby9.frm formulaname=uc03-09 function=log passes=t center-mag=-0.637998/-0.447214/1.572327 params=0.1/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 colors=000321652000<15>ypM<4>yk6xj2vk3tl4rm6<4>00z<3>JcZzmSTxLRyMOzO<52>\ 121000000<158>000 } Mercury_Pie { reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=ca06-01 center-mag=0/0/1/1/-135 params=0.5/0/0.5/0 float=y maxiter=1023 inside=255 outside=atan colors=000000021<14>0cb<15>zzy<15>0cb<14>032000200<13>`00c00d43<13>zzy<1\ 5>c00<14>300000020<14>0c03d2<14>zzy<15>0c0<14>030000001<14>00b<15>zzy<15\ >00b<14>002 } Moire_Mask { ; Darth Vader? 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(c) David Shanholtzer May 18, 1998 t= 0:06:49.58 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; color map: dav53a reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm formulaname=t02-04 passes=t center-mag=+0.42737391262065820/+0.10674548124706650/390603.9 params=0.47/0 float=y maxiter=500 colors=000Q5p000<55>000A20<10>yhW<22>A20P00<7>wAA<7>P00U0U<8>www<10>U0U0\ 00<17>000MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<70>0000AU<5>0mzK0pM1pO3p } c01c03a { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 06, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=c03-01 passes=1 center-mag=-1.905e-006/1.0165e-005/0.4081629 params=0.2/-0.01 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=uYZuYYwZZ<2>y``z``z``z``<3>x__wZZuYY<2>pVVnUUkSS<3>`LLYKJUIH<5>85\ 4421000322<6>TNSWPV_SZbUaeXd<2>mblodnqepsfr<2>xjwykxylx<3>zlyzlyylx<2>ui\ ttgsrfqpeoncm<3>dWcaT`YRX<4>HDGDAC978544110211<5>LJOOMRRPVURYXU`<2>c`ieb\ kgcniep<2>niuojvpkwqlxqlyqlyrmyqly<3>ojvniumhskgr<2>ebkc`iaYf<2>URYRPVOM\ RLJO<3>879545100100<8>RD0TE0WG0YH0_I0<2>eL0fL0hM0iN0jN0<4>lO0lO0lO0lO0kO\ 0jO0<2>gM0eL0dK0bJ0`I0<4>PC0NB0KA0H80<5>000310<6>OCBQDCTEDVFEYHG<2>cKJdK\ JfLKgMLiNM<2>kONlONlONlON<2>lONkONkONjNMhML<4>`IHZHGXGFVFESEDPDC<6>63231\ 0321<5>QFFUHHXJJ_LL<3>kSSmTTpVVrWWsXX } c01c04a { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 06, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=C04-01 passes=1 center-mag=-0.881256/-0.761186/3.536232/1/-44.999 params=0.111/0 float=y maxiter=1023 decomp=256 colors=000QwU<4>6UA2O60I2Q46<5>qPSsTVqQS<6>Q46022488<5>imm<5>AEE4880226N\ O<6>Nmn<7>6NOHP6<6>lvU<7>HP6J7`<6>dSw<7>J7`U22<5>s22s22s22q22<5>U2202Y<4\ >0js0sx0zz0uy<6>02YQ46<5>qPSsTVqQS<6>Q46J7`<6>dSw<5>MAcJ7`E2Y<5>qTxsYzsU\ y<6>E2YGH9<6>khW<6>KKCGH9E22<5>q22s22s22<6>E222PH<6>Uvk<6>6UL2PH02e<4>0O\ u0Ty0Yz0Uz<6>02eT7J<6>sXi<7>T7J0I22O6<3>KoOPuTUzY } c01c05a { ; (c) Gedeon Peteri, May 05, 1998 ; Modified Ray Girvan map reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=chby1.frm formulaname=C05-01 passes=1 center-mag=2.22045e-016/0/0.6078311/1/17.5 params=0.1/0 float=y maxiter=1023 outside=atan colors=lSDlSD<2>oWJpYLq_NraPsbR<4>yk`zmbzndzpfzri<8>zgVzfTzeRydPybOxaMx`\ KwZI<12>gSFfSEeREcQDcQD<14>SHA<13>whZyj`zmb<6>yfTyeSydQxcPxbNwaM<2>vZHuX\ FtXF<12>fNCeNBdMBcMBbLB<13>MC9<15>zhW<14>qVGpUEpUE<13>eNCdMBeOD<7>scUteW\ vhZwj`ylb<2>zrizof<9>NJIJGFFDCBA9666<12>tmhxpkztnzwq<12>zgVzfTzeRycPycPx\ bO<12>mTE } frm:C03-01(Origin){;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = zC02-C01 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) Tx=x*(x*x-3) Ty=y*(y*y-3) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:C04-01{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = zC03-C02 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=xx*(xx-4)+2 Ty=yy*(yy-4)+2 x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:C05-01(Origin){;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = zC04-C03 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=x*(xx*(xx-5)+3) Ty=y*(yy*(yy-5)+3) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:Ca06-01{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = ((a+5)xCa(5)-(a+2)Ca(4))/3 a=p2,b=a*(a*(a+3)+2)/6,c=a+3,d=4*(a+4),e=(a+a+10)/15 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=b*(c*xx*(d*xx*(e*xx-1)+3)-1) Ty=b*(c*yy*(d*yy*(e*yy-1)+3)-1) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:Ca06-05(Origin){;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = ((a+5)xCa(5)-(a+2)Ca(4))/3 a=p1 b1=a*(a*(a+3)+2)/6 c1=a+3 d1=4*(a+4) e1=2*(a+5)/15 b2=a*(a*(a*(a+6)+11)+6)/3 c2=8*(a+4) d2=(a+5)/5 bailout=real(p2)/10000,z=pixel: zz=z*z f=b1*(c1*zz*(d1*zz*(e1*zz-1)+3)-1) fd=b2*z*(c2*zz*(d2*zz-1)+3) oz=z z=z-f/fd bailout<=|z-oz|} frm:Ca10-08{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = ((a+9)xCa(9)-(a+4)Ca(8))/5 a=p1 b=a*(a*(a*(a*(a+10)+35)+50)+24)/382860 c=15*(a+5) d=a+a+12 e=a*(a+15)+56 f=(a+a+18)/45 g=14*(a+a+13)/5 t=real(p2),bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=sin(b*(c*xx*(d*xx*(81*xx*(e*xx*(f*xx-1)+g)-1418)+2127)-31903)) Ty=sin(b*(c*yy*(d*yy*(81*yy*(e*yy*(f*yy-1)+g)-1418)+2127)-31903)) x=x+t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:S07-08(Origin){;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = zS06-S05 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) xx=x*x,yy=y*y Tx=sin(x*(xx*(xx*(xx-6)+10)-4)) Ty=sin(y*(yy*(yy*(yy-6)+10)-4)) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} frm:T02-04{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = 2zT01-T00 const=pixel-1,z=p1: z=(z+z)*z+const |z|<100} frm:Uc03-09{;V.1.0 - earlier versions may be discarded ; = 2z(2z-1)U02-U01 t=p1,bailout=4,z=pixel: x=real(z),y=imag(z) ax=4*x-2,ay=4*y-2 Tx=fn1(ax*(ax*ax-2)) Ty=fn1(ay*(ay*ay-2)) x=x-t*Ty,y=y+t*Tx z=x+flip(y) |z|<=bailout} Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean-Christian Strik" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 12:42:34 +0200 :Grand Poo Bah II writes, : :> - For the present, Fractint is quite satisfactory to me....however, this :> - IS the Fractint listserver, and I feel the contest should be for :> - Fractint produced images. :> - ... :> - Or else maybe just move the whole contest to the Fractal Art list! :> :> Done! :-) : :how do I subscribe to this list? I can't find it on majordomo lists. :Thanks, :Luke Send a message with subscribe fractal-art in the body to majordomo@icd.com Christian Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > - ...some folks might need to convert from .bmp (which is HUGE) to jpg > - to get to the right size. > > BMPs are not web material anyway. Since these images will, I suspect, be > viewed primarily through a web browser, that restricts the choices to GIF > and JPEG. (Mac browsers don't view BMP, although PC browsers do.) Neither do Linux or Unix browsers. > (1) PNG is a great format. It's the way GIF should have been designed in > the first place; it supports all the things that just plain make sense. I > would like to see browsers support PNG natively (and that means WITHOUT a > plug-in). Until they do, it is thoroughly unsuitable for use in a web > presentation. Lots of browsers (perhaps a dozen) support PNG natively. MSIE and Netscape didn't; I don't know if they do now. > If you want me to put up a web page explaining all of the above, I can do > this. I think that would be an excellent idea. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 12:23:05 -0500 Kragen, - >(Mac browsers don't view BMP, although PC browsers do.) - - Neither do Linux or Unix browsers. Thank you for reminding me about UNIX. I keep forgetting UNIX. - Lots of browsers (perhaps a dozen) support PNG natively. MSIE and - Netscape didn't; I don't know if they do now. Testing for PNG support is a little weird. MSIE and NC will both open a JPEG file directly, that is, without it being referenced from an HTML file. However, neither will natively open a PNG file. To use a PNG file, it must be referenced from an HTML file's IMG tag. MSIE4 and NC4 will both view PNG files in this fashion. Still, last time I checked (a few months ago) 40% of web surfers were still using version 3 browsers, and they most definitely do NOT support PNG. - > If you want me to put up a web page explaining all of the above, I can - > do this. - - I think that would be an excellent idea. All right. Give me a few days. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:35:29 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > Kragen, > - >(Mac browsers don't view BMP, although PC browsers do.) > - > - Neither do Linux or Unix browsers. > > Thank you for reminding me about UNIX. I keep forgetting UNIX. There are about as many people using Linux as using Macs, remember :) > - Lots of browsers (perhaps a dozen) support PNG natively. MSIE and > - Netscape didn't; I don't know if they do now. > > Testing for PNG support is a little weird. MSIE and NC will both open a > JPEG file directly, that is, without it being referenced from an HTML file. > However, neither will natively open a PNG file. To use a PNG file, it > must be referenced from an HTML file's IMG tag. MSIE4 and NC4 will both > view PNG files in this fashion. > > Still, last time I checked (a few months ago) 40% of web surfers were still > using version 3 browsers, and they most definitely do NOT support PNG. Yes, and less than 10% are using non-Netscape, non-MSIE browsers, most of which do support PNG (and have for a year or two). I remember when Netscape first came out, and people were upset about inline jpegs -- because Mosaic didn't support jpeg at all. I didn't use jpegs for quite a while because of this. The situation is even worse now, because most people are satisfied with their current browser: see for some data. (and these days, I don't use xbm anymore, because MSIE doesn't support it.) > - I think that would be an excellent idea. > > All right. Give me a few days. I'll send you a quick HTML version. Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:37:56 -0400 I know internet explorer and netscape both can view PNG files, if we decide to use them. Pete // -----Original Message----- // From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com // [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kragen // Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:15 PM // To: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) // // // On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: // > - ...some folks might need to convert from .bmp (which is // HUGE) to jpg // > - to get to the right size. // > // > BMPs are not web material anyway. Since these images will, I // suspect, be // > viewed primarily through a web browser, that restricts the // choices to GIF // > and JPEG. (Mac browsers don't view BMP, although PC browsers do.) // // Neither do Linux or Unix browsers. // // > (1) PNG is a great format. It's the way GIF should have been // designed in // > the first place; it supports all the things that just plain // make sense. I // > would like to see browsers support PNG natively (and that // means WITHOUT a // > plug-in). Until they do, it is thoroughly unsuitable for use in a web // > presentation. // // Lots of browsers (perhaps a dozen) support PNG natively. MSIE and // Netscape didn't; I don't know if they do now. // // > If you want me to put up a web page explaining all of the // above, I can do // > this. // // I think that would be an excellent idea. // // Kragen // // // -------------------------------------------------------------- // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List // Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com // Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" // Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net // Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" // Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:42:21 -0400 Well, I have some web space I can donate. We can provide *both* GIFs and PNGs and the viewer can decide which to use. I know it may not be worth it, since I don't know how much smaller PNGs will be, but that way at least all the traffic will be reduced on the main site. Pete // Testing for PNG support is a little weird. MSIE and NC will both open a // JPEG file directly, that is, without it being referenced from // an HTML file. // However, neither will natively open a PNG file. To use a PNG file, it // must be referenced from an HTML file's IMG tag. MSIE4 and NC4 will both // view PNG files in this fashion. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 12:41:12 -0500 Kragen, - There are about as many people using Linux as using Macs, remember :) Maybe, but they sure don't show up proportionately in the browser logs. - Yes, and less than 10% are using non-Netscape, non-MSIE browsers, most - of which do support PNG (and have for a year or two). Right. FWIW, the CD-ROM I put together for our budding ISP includes MSIE, Communicator... and Opera. - I remember when Netscape first came out, and people were upset about - inline jpegs -- because Mosaic didn't support jpeg at all. Yep. In general, Netscapisms are a bad approach for general-appeal web sites. (And here by Netscapisms I mean any feature which is specific to a certain browser, that doesn't cover at least 80% of the users. MS is as guilty of Netscapisms as Netscape is. :-) - The situation is even worse now, because most people are satisfied with - their current browser: Jakob Nielsen's AlertBox is always a good read. I've found much valuable information there. - I'll send you a quick HTML version. Actually, I was talking more about having sample pictures showing good and bad JPEG compression, PNG files, etc. I'll post it to fractalus.com when it's done. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:06:24 -0500 Peter, - Well, I have some web space I can donate. We can provide *both* GIFs and - PNGs and the viewer can decide which to use. It's not an issue of space. PNG certainly does better on 256-color images, but it can't compete with JPEG (properly used) for 24-bit images--and I *strongly recommend* contest entries be rendered at high res and resampled down to anti-alias, producing 24-bit images. Even so, as I've stated before, I have plenty of space at my disposal; that's why I volunteered it in the first place. No, the issue is whether it is worth preparing PNG versions of images, given the number of visitors that would not be able to use them. In my earlier message, I posted comparisons of file sizes for 24-bit images--a 640x480 image and a 600x800 image, both anti-aliased versions of 1600x1200 256-color images. Today I saved two 1600x1200 GIFs in PNG format to compare; the GIFs were 740K and 366K; the PNGs were 490K and 285K. PNG compresses better than GIF, sure, but it can't compress 24-bit data better than JPEG, even when the JPEG quality is set very high. So why are we worried about PNG? JPEG handles it better, is more widely supported... the compelling reasons to use PNG (8-bit alpha channel, 16-bit color channel precision, no LZW patent problems) don't really apply in this situation. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen) Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 14:08:43 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Damien M. Jones wrote: > - There are about as many people using Linux as using Macs, remember :) > > Maybe, but they sure don't show up proportionately in the browser logs. It depends on whose logs you're looking at. http://browserwatch.internet.com/stats/ua-netscape.html shows: Mozilla/3.x (Mac68k) 0.30% Mozilla/3.x (MacPPC) 1.02% Mozilla/3.x (Win16) 0.77% Mozilla/3.x (Win95) 4.29% Mozilla/3.x (X11) 0.73% Mozilla/4.x (Mac68k) 0.23% Mozilla/4.x (MacPPC) 3.12% Mozilla/4.x (Win16) 0.25% Mozilla/4.x (Win95) 22.3% Mozilla/4.x (WinNT) 8.78% Mozilla/4.x (X11) 4.68% And Microsoft browsers are 1.36% on MacPPC, 7.86% on Win95, and 5.67% on WinNT (for MSIE 4.x). This would seem to support the idea that the numbers are comparable -- approximately 6.03% unambiguously using Macs, and 5.41% unambiguously using Linux or other Unix. > - Yes, and less than 10% are using non-Netscape, non-MSIE browsers, most > - of which do support PNG (and have for a year or two). > > Right. FWIW, the CD-ROM I put together for our budding ISP includes MSIE, > Communicator... and Opera. Opera is nice. Did you include the demo version, or the full version? > - I'll send you a quick HTML version. > > Actually, I was talking more about having sample pictures showing good and > bad JPEG compression, PNG files, etc. I'll post it to fractalus.com when > it's done. Ahh. I'll send you a quick HTML version anyway, since it's already done :) Kragen Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) anti-aliasing Date: 15 Jul 1998 11:16:50 -0700 Can I use PaintShopPro to anti-alias my images? I have version 4.0. My system has a max of 1024 x768. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Kaplan Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 14:19:04 -0400 (EDT) My copy of Lynx handles PNG just as well as JPEG or GIF... :) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest(2 cents worth) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:19:43 -0500 Kragen, - It depends on whose logs you're looking at. Of course it does. I was talking about my own logs. - And Microsoft browsers are 1.36% on MacPPC, 7.86% on Win95, and 5.67% - on WinNT (for MSIE 4.x). Yeah, just remember that MSIE often calls itself a Mozilla-compatible. Analyzing browser logs took quite a bit of by-hand filtering. - Opera is nice. Did you include the demo version, or the full version? The demo version, of course. We're a budding ISP, not a wealthy one. :-) (Quick note: further discussion about browsers should probably not take place on the *FractInt* mailing list, since it only peripherally relates to fractals and FractInt. :) If you want to discuss it through private e-mail, though, that's cool with me.) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ http://www.icd.com/tsd/ (temporary sanity designs) \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ (fractals are my hobby) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) anti-aliasing Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:22:48 -0500 Kathy, - Can I use PaintShopPro to anti-alias my - images? I have version 4.0. YES! What you need to do is load a large image into Paint Shop Pro, convert it to 24-bit color, then resize it down. For example, you could take a 1024x768 image and reduce it to 512x384 (which is a pleasant medium size for a web page) and get nice anti-aliasing. You may want to *slightly*