From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! Date: 14 Aug 1996 17:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" PLEASE READ THIS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. Because cs.uwp.edu is due to be decommissioned soon, the hats, jarre, kraftwerk, and yello mailing lists are moving from cs.uwp.edu to xmission.com. Here is a list of steps being taken to make this move happen. * All subscribers to the digest versions of the lists have been moved to the regular interactive versions so that they will see this announcement as soon as possible. * New versions of the lists and their digests are now up and running at xmission.com. SUBSCRIBERS WILL NOT BE AUTOMATICALLY MOVED TO THE NEW LISTS. YOU MUST RESUBSCRIBE AT THE NEW LOCATION. 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This doesn't have to be done until next Friday..." I think I'll put on my Collection CD and take some maalox now. C Y'all L8R! ;-) L # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... Date: 15 Aug 1996 10:31:31 -0700 > From Laura_Kramer@ncsu.edu Thu Aug 15 10:28:05 1996 > Subject: Hello?? Testing... > Priority: normal > 1, 2, 3... > > Just wanted to see who all else has made it back. > > Laura from North Carolina, USA checking in. Hi everybody!! > Don from California, transplanted from North Carolina, present and accounted for. > Quote of the day, from my boss: "Stop stressing, Laura. You've got > all the time in the world. This doesn't have to be done until next > Friday..." > You're better off than I am. Quote from my boss: "The only thing more pathetic than your programming skills, you loser, is your deformed face! Now get back to work, or I'll jab this letter opener in your good eye!" Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats? Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing...and 21st Century Date: 15 Aug 1996 17:47:08 -0400 I'm here... Roderick from Portage, Michigan checking in....soon to check out....but hopefully back again... Just a note....I bought 21st Century this weekend and have listened to it all week...I remember when I first bought it on vinyl when it first came out and then on cassette when it first became a cutout....I remembered it to be a very boring album....I stand corrected...It's like finding a new MWH record! I love this album.... Roderick! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... Date: 15 Aug 1996 17:48:09 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-15 13:30:47 EDT, you write: << Hey, does anyone out there like Men Without Hats? >> "Hey" Men! Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 17:29:53 -0800 Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 19:32:56 -0500 (CDT) Really-From: "Hiram Lester Jr." On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. I think I would leave Antarctica off since it was on Collection, and it wasn't on the original Canadian release... just for fun... :) +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 17:39:02 -0700 Carl, Lose "Antarctica" off of "Folk Pt. III". It's on "Collection", and besides, it's never been one of my true favorites. Wait-a-minute... does this mean... dare I say it... the CD is (gasp) BACK ON?!?!?!?! Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com > From hats@cs.uwp.edu Thu Aug 15 17:31:05 1996 > To: hats@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: MWH Experts > > Really-From: Carl > > > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to > go: > > Rhythm of Youth > 0:58 Ban The Game > 3:04 Living In China > 4:41 The Great Ones Remember > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > 2:44 The Safety Dance > 2:59 Ideas for Walls > 4:56 Things In My Life > 4:19 I Like > 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) > > Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) > 2:09 No Dancing > 3:15 Unsatisfaction > 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? > 6:48 Mothers Opinion > 2:40 Eurotheme > 4:20 Messiahs Die Young > 4:55 I Know Their Name > 4:17 Folk Of The 80's > 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears > 4:28 Antarctica* > > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. > > carl caprioglio > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tempe Video Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 20:36:52 +0100 hats mailing list wrote: > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust I vote for deleting anything that was already featured on COLLECTION. "Safety Dance" might be the obvious choice, but something tells me that's going to be a major selling point. How about "Antarctica"? You say "just for fun"...I thought the 2 for 1 was a dead issue...? -- Regards, J.R. BOOKWALTER Tempe Video & Press Visit Tempe & E.I. Independent Cinema on the Web: http://members.aol.com/tempevideo/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Senz Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 18:58:19 -0700 > > Really-From: Carl > > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to > go: > Well, to keep the original flow of things, I favour dropping Antarctica. This song belongs on a FOTE I / Freeways/ or alternate mix CD. (my two cents) Oh yeah, TESTING, TESTING, one and two and three is four... senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Looking for any Men Without Hats MIDI files Date: 15 Aug 1996 20:54:11 -0400 Really-From: Chris Barrett Does any one have any Men Without Hats MIDI files that they could share with me? Any help is appreciated. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: RE: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 01:19:44 UT Carl, Don't tease us now :) ---------- Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: RE: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 01:21:46 UT I, too, vote for Antartica ---------- Sent: Thursday, August 15, 1996 6:29 PM Really-From: Carl Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to go: Rhythm of Youth 0:58 Ban The Game 3:04 Living In China 4:41 The Great Ones Remember 4:44 I Got The Message 3:26 Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) 2:44 The Safety Dance 2:59 Ideas for Walls 4:56 Things In My Life 4:19 I Like 1:59 The Great Ones Remember (reprise) Folk of the Œ80s (Part III) 2:09 No Dancing 3:15 Unsatisfaction 4:55 Where Do The Boys Go? 6:48 Mothers Opinion 2:40 Eurotheme 4:20 Messiahs Die Young 4:55 I Know Their Name 4:17 Folk Of The 80's 3:15 I Sing Last / Not For Tears 4:28 Antarctica* The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust your opinions. carl caprioglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:36:59 -0400 Brad from Atlanta, checking in... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Everybody Wants to Know Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:42:56 -0400 Hey... To everyone that didn't care for for Sideways...take another listen to Everybody Wants to Know...To me it sounds like Ivan would have done it that way even if he wasn't sans-synths. I think it is a very good song... Brad Day Atlanta, GA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:48:04 -0400 Carl, Drop Antartica and give us a three minute rarity or suprise...(new track!!!!!!). I'm sure we've all got Antartica somewhere else... Brad Day Atlanta, GA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:00:09 -0400 Really-From: Heath David > Really-From: Carl > > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust > your opinions. > > carl caprioglio > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their edited single versions: > 4:44 I Got The Message 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > 4:19 I Like 3:22 I Like [single edit] This would result in a total savings of 2:08, which should give you enough room to play with. My reasons should already be clear, but I'll give them anyway: (1) Using these substitutions would save us from having to remove a track. (2) The album-length versions of these tracks are already available (and in print!) on the _Collection_ CD, whereas the single versions have never appeared on CD. (3) An edited version of a track would be less objectionable to the 'casual' MWH fan than the omission of an entire song. The inclusion of rarer versions of these songs (and the bonus version of Antarctica) would, on the other hand, make the CD more appealing to collectors. I would *much* rather see the 7" edits used on a two-fer CD than see a track omitted entirely. If this is impossible for some reason (unusable masters, for example), then I would very reluctantly suggest omitting "I Got The Message", since there are already two versions of that song available on _Collection_. Heath # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400 Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original releases... Roderick MacQuarrie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:10:53 -0400 Really-From: Jupiter8@aol.com Keep the two albums as they were originally (Canadian versions)...and if there is leftover...Antarctica is certainly a bonus...I really don't care what is added as long as the albums remain faithful to the original releases... Roderick MacQuarrie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Really-From: Todd Biggs I'd leave Unsatisfaction off, and gain 3:15. Todd Biggs WRQ Software Singapore e-mail: toddb@wrq.com phone: 65 336 3122 fax: 65 336 5233 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl >=20 >=20 > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for= =20 > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to=20 > go: >=20 > Rhythm of Youth > =090:58=09Ban The Game > =093:04=09Living In China > =094:41=09The Great Ones Remember > =094:44=09I Got The Message > =093:26=09Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > =092:44=09The Safety Dance > =092:59=09Ideas for Walls > =094:56=09Things In My Life > =094:19=09I Like > =091:59=09The Great Ones Remember (reprise) >=20 > Folk of the =8C80s (Part III) > =092:09=09No Dancing > =093:15=09Unsatisfaction > =094:55=09Where Do The Boys Go? > =096:48=09Mothers Opinion > =092:40=09Eurotheme > =094:20=09Messiahs Die Young > =094:55=09I Know Their Name > =094:17=09Folk Of The 80's > =093:15=09I Sing Last / Not For Tears > =094:28=09Antarctica* >=20 > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least=20 > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust= =20 > your opinions. >=20 > carl caprioglio >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 15 Aug 1996 20:30:11 -0700 Really-From: kahlil "Living In China" (not on US version of ROY) if the same as on "Collection", otherwise "Antarctica". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Dump Antarctica? Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:06:52 +0000 Really-From: Carl Well, the experts have spoken: IIII votes for dumping Antarctica I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks I vote to dump unsatisfaction Any more votes? Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: srubacky@isdnwatch.xo.com (Sean Rubacky) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 01:20:56 -0700 I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby out with the bath water. >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:55:44 -0700 Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that, if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be as close to the original format as possible. "Antarctica" is on "Collection", so people who really want it can find it there. I think it should be removed if time/space is a consideration. That's my opinion, anyway. And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?" (Note to Carl: My plea for meticulous attention to detail does *not* include emblazoning the CD sleeve with "Where TO The Boys Go?") Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com > From srubacky@isdnwatch.xo.com Thu Aug 15 22:47:55 1996 > Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? > > I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby > out with the bath water. > > >Really-From: Carl > > > > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > > > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? > > > > > >Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:39:17 UT >>And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?"<< Here here! The buzzing intro to WDTBG is great as well as the whole song itself "Ya'd almost done me in-a" Gotta have that one (theoretically speaking). In fact, I think I'm gonna go throw on the vinyl right now. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Date: 16 Aug 1996 00:55:21 -0700 (MST) Really-From: Miranda Gill MTC#*p !NcNV& + # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 07:53:23 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-16 01:05:09 EDT, you write: << IIII votes for dumping Antarctica I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks I vote to dump unsatisfaction Any more votes? Carl >> No...please no....I love Unsatisfaction....Is there not enough room for both albums in full? I wouldn't be as satisfied if it were left off.... :) I'm used to the order of tracks... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica. Keep Unsatisfaction Date: 16 Aug 1996 07:55:43 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-16 01:53:32 EDT, you write: << Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that, if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be as close to the original format as possible. >> I agree....But maybe we should wait till all the list members arrive....before the vote is decided for sure... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 08:04:57 +0000 > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > edited single versions: > > > > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > 4:19 I Like > 3:22 I Like [single edit] Ditto!!! PleasePleasePlease don't drop Unsatisfaction!!!! Carl, are you serious? Please don't toy with our emotions. ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telliott@massmed.org (Toby Elliott) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 08:36:02 -0400 > > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > > edited single versions: > > > > > > > 4:44 I Got The Message > > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > > > 4:19 I Like > > 3:22 I Like [single edit] Since we've got the longer tracks on the compilation, this makes a whole lot of sense to me. Regards, Toby Elliott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 8:43:19 EDT Really-From: Peter Grose/Norwalk/MBCC I also think Antarctica should go. It is not part of the original release of either album Keep the continuity of the albums and don't shorten the tracks by using the edit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: 2 on 1 vote Date: 16 Aug 1996 09:55:47 -0400 I have to cast my vote for maintaining the integrity of the two albums, and losing "Antarctica." -- Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com "I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 10:31:29 -0400 Really-From: Thomas Norman At 10:00 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Heath David > > >> Really-From: Carl > >> >> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least >> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust >> your opinions. >> >> carl caprioglio >> Carl, You have my vote for shaving off "Antarctica". By the way, if this really is the 4 min version of Antarctica, then this is not the same version as the 3 minute one on "Collection". This is the Folk of 80s I and Freeways version that was NEVER on CD. On the other hand, it does NOT belong on Rythym of Youth. I will have to take the side of the majority here. It appears the track listing is perfectly matched to the original Canadian versions. Why spoil it? If a track HAS to go, lets get rid of Antarctica. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Gamble Subject: CD Length... Date: 16 Aug 1996 09:52:08 -0600 I'm curious, Carl... I have CDs which are almost 78 minutes long. What is the significance of the "Red Book" time of 74 minutes, and what complications does a longer CD ential? Does it have to do with cost, manufacturing standards, your company's source for discs, sound quality, or something else? I don't want to seem like I'm looking a potential gift horse in its hypothetical mouth, but I'm just curious about how this works. I suppose Antarctica should go if it has to. _Definitely_ don't edit or shorten any of the songs (I Got the Message and I Like are my 2 fave ever MWH songs). I'm not concerned with continuity with the original albums, there have been so many different versions anyway... Kevin, who's still keeping alive hope that he can someday walk into a record store and buy RoY on CD... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: New Info Message Date: 16 Aug 1996 09:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" It looks like I didn't get the info message for the list up on xmission in time for everyone to see it when they signed on. Just so everyone has a chance to read it, here it is. ABOUT THIS MESSAGE ------------------ This is the introductory message for the "hats" electronic mailing list. Please read this message carefully before joining and/or posting to the list; it contains information about list etiquette and instructions on using the mailing list software. 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One thought: If "Antarctica" stays (and it looks like it will not), couldn't you put it in between the albums? It's completely out of order at the end of the CD (chronologically, it should be the first track), and my personal opinion is that "I Sing Last/Not For Tears" is a great final track. Thanks for asking! (This isn't just a "mental exercise", is it?) ;) Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon R. Burgess" Subject: A perverse suggestion Date: 16 Aug 1996 12:37:51 EST Hello, all! To Carl (and anyone else who cares), why not go with the suggested order and truncate the last ~2 minutes of Antarctica, as if the disc were a dubbed cassette that wasn't watched closely enough? You could put on the liner notes that it was done at the insistance of some crazed mw/oh fan, and it would still be enough of the song for us to get a taste. Then the newbies would have to buy Collection to hear how it ends! ;) Sorry, I must have had too much coffee today (or not enough) Gordon P.S. Laura; I've been in server hell for a week now with both front line and backup hardware failing miserably, and I just heard from my immediate boss that the guy one level up has canceled my order for new equipment, so no one is even taking the time to whisper their words of encouragement into my ear! Sorry if this isn't helping, but keep smiling, because it really disorients them! My NT server just went core dumpy again, gotta go... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AG12345@aol.com Subject: Bootleg Date: 16 Aug 1996 12:52:15 -0400 I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the bootlegs? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Mailing list notification? Date: 16 Aug 1996 11:04:29 -0700 This is mainly for Lazlo... The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message and sent it to the list. Is that going to change? I'm not griping, I'm just curious, as it's not as easy to distinguish MWH list mail in my mail tool the new way. Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: waskar@pathcom.com (Nelson Sandoval) >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > >I think that we should dump Antarctica. -Frederick Sandoval # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schachter Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Hi! I just got onto the xmission list, and seem to have missed something... >>Really-From: Carl >> >> >>Well, the experts have spoken: >> >> >>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >>I vote to dump unsatisfaction >> >>Any more votes? >> >> >>Carl >> >I think that we should dump Antarctica. > >-Frederick Sandoval What is Carl taking a poll about??? Is there another potential Oglio release? Jeff Schachter@pfc.mit.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANCOIS BLAWAT Subject: Bootleg -Reply Date: 16 Aug 1996 14:48:30 -0500 Nope. No news yet. Mike has not been on the list for awhile now. I will need to get back to you on the information regarding using or leaving the list. I placed the information on another drive. >>> 08/16/96 11:52am >>> I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the bootlegs? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 20:11:21 UT Really-From: "Avi Rosenthal" i am new to the list hello to all MHW fans!!! i am eagerly awaiting the rhythm of youth cd but, the thought of not having ANTARCTICA is appalling !!!!!!!!! it has always been one of my favorites. there must be another way around this. avi ---------- Sent: Friday, August 16, 1996 2:51 PM Really-From: waskar@pathcom.com (Nelson Sandoval) >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > >I think that we should dump Antarctica. -Frederick Sandoval # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Vickers Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Michael here in Toronto... Still "dancing when I want to..." (since 1983). Cheers! ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Vickers Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:28:26 -0400 (EDT) I say whack "Eurotheme"! Cheers! Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: Michael Vickers I say whack "Eurotheme"! Cheers! Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Vickers Subject: Re: Everybody Wants to Know Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:34:35 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 BDay0000@aol.com wrote: > Hey... > > To everyone that didn't care for for Sideways...take another listen to > Everybody Wants to Know...To me it sounds like Ivan would have done it that > way even if he wasn't sans-synths. I think it is a very good song... > > Brad Day > Atlanta, GA I would certainly disagree with those who don't like Sideways... I know that it's a long way from the moody, and then more upbeat synth ditties we came to associate with MWH, but I thought it was a pretty cool album, maybe less song and lyric oriented, but very listenable as a whole... Heck! My pals and I spent several days outside the local liquor store busking to "Sideways" the summer it came out! (We even met Leonard Cohen's love-child, who helped us out on harmonica for a while.) Cheers, Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: the MWH mutual admiration society Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:35:03 +0000 Hi! Laura in North Carolina again... Gawsh, I just luuuv everybody on the list! I've been having the absolute worst week at work this week, but getting to hear from my hats-buddies has been very cheering, even if's only been "Hi, I'm back on the list" or "Hi, [don't] drop Antarctica." Keep those cards and letters coming, kids - the state Chemistry test is due to the printer next Friday, after which, hey, drinks are on me!!! Have a great weekend, y'all!! ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Vickers Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:37:15 -0400 (EDT) I've never been that crazy about "Antarctica"... how about "Modern(e) Dancing" or some version of "Freeways"? Cheers, Michael ************************************************************************* Michael Howland Balewa Vickers mvickers@yorku.ca, Toronto, Canada ************************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:57:29 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-16 16:29:54 EDT, you write: << I say whack "Eurotheme"! >> Sacrelige!!!! If there's any whacking...Antartica should be whacked first...So what if there are a few blank minutes left...we have Ant. on the Compilation... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 1996 14:57:40 PDT Really-From: ian barland (druthers owner) | Really-From: Carl | | Well, the experts have spoken: | ... | Any more votes? | I'll second the vote for using "short versions" of some songs, whose full version is on Collection. I think some of the songs lose less in the edit than Antarctica contributes, and the end result would be a stronger album. Besides, to me personally, Antarctica has been the centerpiece of my old, worn out RoY cassette; I couldn't *bear* to leave it off. ian (who, despite carping, will eagerly buy *any* RoY/Fot80sIII cd) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 22:12:37 UT Really-From: "Avi Rosenthal" i whole heartly agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANTARCTICA must be kept !!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- Sent: Friday, August 16, 1996 5:57 PM Really-From: ian barland (druthers owner) | Really-From: Carl | | Well, the experts have spoken: | ... | Any more votes? | I'll second the vote for using "short versions" of some songs, whose full version is on Collection. I think some of the songs lose less in the edit than Antarctica contributes, and the end result would be a stronger album. Besides, to me personally, Antarctica has been the centerpiece of my old, worn out RoY cassette; I couldn't *bear* to leave it off. ian (who, despite carping, will eagerly buy *any* RoY/Fot80sIII cd) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: (no subject) Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:27:52 -0700 Really-From: Senz hats mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe hats' and 'unsubscribe hats-digest' in the > message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available > via FTP, Gopher, and WWW. If you do not like this, don't mail to this list. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Senz > > Whoa! Looks like MWH ratings have gone from statistically interesting to > statistically important literally over night! (I guess I'll have to remember > to always post data horizontally.) Thanks people and from that democratic > topic I move on to my question of the day... > > Has anyone noticed that Ivan quoted John Lennon on the PGTW lyric sleeve? > Ivan points out that John said "We must strive the Ivan while it is hat". It > wouldn't be hard to convince me that John was a big MWH fan even if the > time-line makes this unlikely. (I think these two would have worked well > together) Therefore there must be another reason for what John said. Does > anybody know? My guess is that the reference to "Ivan" is of the Russian > people and "hat" meaning, in style or timely. Translation: "Lets make peace > with Russia while we still can" > Am I close? > > And from that rather undemocratic and Leninist topic I say... > > Isn't it funny the way it's connected? > > SENZ > who hats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 18:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: Ethan Hall use the short versions E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 19:18:30 -0400 Really-From: thevman@q.continuum.net (Jim V.) Dump the disco long version of safety dance and keep the extended version of antartica. Vman. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:22:43 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" I'm with the folks who say "drop Antarctica". It wasn't on the original albums, so it doesn't need to be on the twofer anyway . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Mailing list notification? Date: 16 Aug 1996 16:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > and sent it to the list. > > Is that going to change? No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: (no subject) + Freeways Date: 16 Aug 1996 17:50:39 -0700 Really-From: Senz > > Really-From: Senz > > > > Whoa! Looks like MWH ratings have gone from statistically interesting to > > statistically important literally over night! (I guess I'll have to remember > > to always post data horizontally.) Thanks people and from that democratic > > topic I move on to my question of the day... > > > > Has anyone noticed that Ivan quoted John Lennon on the PGTW lyric sleeve? > > Ivan points out that John said "We must strive the Ivan while it is hat". It > > wouldn't be hard to convince me that John was a big MWH fan even if the > > time-line makes this unlikely. (I think these two would have worked well > > together) Therefore there must be another reason for what John said. Does > > anybody know? My guess is that the reference to "Ivan" is of the Russian > > people and "hat" meaning, in style or timely. Translation: "Lets make peace > > with Russia while we still can" > > Am I close? >who hats sorry, this escaped on me (these topics have been discussed thoroughly) I've been getting two copies of each letter sent to the hats listing. I was checking to see if I was still on the old address. BTW I have another copy of the Freeways LP for anyone who might want it (even in these days of the bootleg). senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 20:33:23 -0400 Really-From: kerim.sursal@utoronto.ca Antarctica, it seems, is destined to be dropped from an ideal 2-in-1 CD, but what's this business of leaving Unsatisfaction off? I love that song! And every MWH song, for that matter (we'll pretend we don't know about some of the songs on "Sideways"..) I've been away from this list for a while (I got 213 new messages yesterday), so it looks like there IS no 2-in-1 as of yet, eh? I'm just wondering.. is this "ideal CD" discussion a legitimate debate, or simply pure conjecture? (i.e. a total waste of time).. will we EVER see RoY & Folk3 on CD? (why the hell they were never released years ago is beyond me.. you can find Belinda Carlisle & Rick Astley on CD, for friggin' in the riggin'..) -+!+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Subject: Re: Dump Antartica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 21:08:38 -0400 Carl (et al), I would like to change my vote. I originally thought we should go with edited versions, keeping "Antarctica". Then the following occurred to me: If, hypothetically speaking, someone were to make a bootleg CD of the first EP and _Freeways_, it would certainly have the longer, original version of "Antarctica" on it. This is where, I must admit (despite having the song on my cassette version of _ROY_) "Antarctica" really belongs. But under any circumstances: Don't -- Don't -- DON'T remove a song (such as "Unsatisfaction" or "Eurotheme", as suggested) which isn't available on CD elsewhere! That would be a FAR more heinous crime than editing a couple of tracks which are available elsewhere. Go get 'em, Carl! Thanks for fighting for us! Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Reply to: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 22:40:48 -0400 Really-From: The Buzzardman I'm new to the MWH club, although I dare say that I discovered the Great Ones here in the States before anyone else. But, please tell me, someone, what this "twofer" cd is all about. Is there a record company that has the balls to release a compilation of the truly underexposed MWH? Also, where the hell can I get a cd of Rhythm of Youth? And where and what is Ivan the Great doing these days? I long for more! Ivan Rules!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 16 Aug 1996 23:15:55 -0400 Really-From: thevman@q.continuum.net (Jim V.) I take that back, keep disco safety dance and dump Cocoricci(la Tango des Voleurs). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: New Date: 16 Aug 1996 23:34:25 -0400 I'm new here, don't have much to say, and only have one MWH album - the first. Does anyone know what synths/drum machines were used on Rhythm of Youth? I presume Roland and Linn mostly. Anyone know the truth? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 16 Aug 1996 23:36:58 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-16 01:53:32 EDT, you write: [edited] << Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. "Antarctica" is on "Collection", so people who really want it can find it there. I think it should be removed if time/space is a consideration. And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?" >> I also vote for dumping Antarctica. I like the song, but I like the idea of having the cd keep the original Canadian release order of ROY. That makes Antarctica the odd song out, as it were. I also like Unsatisfaction...dopily repetitive as the words may seem, it is one of my favorite MWH songs. Dave Krupla, also checking back in... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: Instruments Date: 17 Aug 1996 10:26:07 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-16 23:36:02 EDT, ManMachn2@aol.com writes: << I'm new here, don't have much to say, and only have one MWH album - the first. Does anyone know what synths/drum machines were used on Rhythm of Youth? I presume Roland and Linn mostly. Anyone know the truth? Thanks. >> That's a matter of opinion I guess....I've heard they used everything from Prophet-5's and 10's to Roland Jupiter-8's and Korg drum machines...then they sampled the instruments on a Synclavier for live performances.... I have yet to hear the truth from Ivan though... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CS6521@ssu.southwest.msus.edu Subject: Dump Antarctica Date: 17 Aug 1996 1:46:57 -0500 (CDT) This two-fer CD is supposed to be RoY and FoTEIII, so obviously neither of these two albums should be altered from their original formats. The bonus track(s) should be the first ones cut (or edited). But, if we have to be inane enough to actually vote on this thing, I'd vote for dumping "Antarctica". This makes no difference, though, since it won't be released anyway. Why'd you bring it up, Carl? Out of boredom? That's my reason for everything... Jim Sustacek sustacd@ssu.southwest.msus.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester Jr." Subject: Re: Mailing list notification? Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:16:51 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > > and sent it to the list. > > > > Is that going to change? > > No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists > I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . This is much better this way. We were complaining about that on the old list. :) This way, you can actually reply to just the person who sent it. Also, Pine actually puts the correct name on the quoted material. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Mailing list notification? Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Really-From: "Hiram Lester Jr." On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." > > as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is > > given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message > > and sent it to the list. > > > > Is that going to change? > > No, I plan to leave it that way to keep it consistent with the other lists > I run at xmission. Sorry if it causes anyone any inconvenience . . . This is much better this way. We were complaining about that on the old list. :) This way, you can actually reply to just the person who sent it. Also, Pine actually puts the correct name on the quoted material. +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Bootleg and/or Twofer Date: 17 Aug 1996 19:35:21 -0400 Really-From: AG12345@aol.com I've been off the list for a while. What's the news on the bootlegs and/or the official twofer? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: no more hats Date: 17 Aug 1996 20:26:42 -0400 Really-From: KhunJohn@aol.com unsubscribe hats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: new user Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: ehslin I'm new to the mailing list so I thought I'd say hi to everyone! I'm 17 and live in Northern Ontario (Canada). My favourite bands are (in order) Men Without Hats, Cat Stevens, Fleetwood Mac and, The Teaparty. I play classical guitar and sing. feel free to e-mail me at ehslin@nt.net . -Kevin Stewart # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Really-From: Dale Plants carl, have you even disscussed the possibility of realeasing even a limited cd of the rare demo stuff. i know earlier that you had said if things go=20 well maybe a release of this stuff might happen. just wondering. do you think that they (whoever has the rights) would=20 even consider it? thanks dale On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl >=20 >=20 > Just for fun ;) I am working on the _ideal_ track listing for the 2 for= =20 > 1 CD. We have a 74 minute limit so one of the fillowing tracks has to=20 > go: >=20 > Rhythm of Youth > =090:58=09Ban The Game > =093:04=09Living In China > =094:41=09The Great Ones Remember > =094:44=09I Got The Message > =093:26=09Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs) > =092:44=09The Safety Dance > =092:59=09Ideas for Walls > =094:56=09Things In My Life > =094:19=09I Like > =091:59=09The Great Ones Remember (reprise) >=20 > Folk of the =8C80s (Part III) > =092:09=09No Dancing > =093:15=09Unsatisfaction > =094:55=09Where Do The Boys Go? > =096:48=09Mothers Opinion > =092:40=09Eurotheme > =094:20=09Messiahs Die Young > =094:55=09I Know Their Name > =094:17=09Folk Of The 80's > =093:15=09I Sing Last / Not For Tears > =094:28=09Antarctica* >=20 > The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least=20 > 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust= =20 > your opinions. >=20 > carl caprioglio >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Really-From: Dale Plants i vote for short versions dale On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, hats mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Carl > > > Well, the experts have spoken: > > > IIII votes for dumping Antarctica > I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > Any more votes? > > > Carl > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: new user Date: 18 Aug 1996 08:47:44 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-18 01:04:26 EDT, you write: << I'm new to the mailing list so I thought I'd say hi to everyone! I'm 17 and live in Northern Ontario (Canada). My favourite bands are (in order) Men Without Hats, Cat Stevens, Fleetwood Mac and, The Teaparty. I play classical guitar and sing. feel free to e-mail me at ehslin@nt.net . -Kevin Stewart >> Where in Northern Ontario...I'm originally from the Sault... Roderick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: videotape Date: 18 Aug 1996 08:53:33 -0400 OK. Here is the news on the video. So far people are sending me : 1. In the 21st Century 2. Top of the Pops '86 3. Pop Goes the World This means the tape looks like this: 1.Safety Dance 2. I like 3. Pop Goes the World 4. Top of the Pops (live broadcast '86) Not much of a tape yet. We still need: Where do the Boys Go? Moonbeam Hey Men Sideways We are making progress though. For those of you who didn't get my first message, here it is. The final tape will cost $10 US (outside of US may be a wee bit more depending on where you live). If you send in a contribution (videos we don't have yet or other footage), you get your original tape shipped back for free + a free FINAL TAPE. Incentives Incentives Incentives. I have already purchased a couple of bricks of blanks. There are already more than 10 people intersted in a copy of the tape. This is all working out so far. I think I will just about break even, but we need those other videos, hatters. My mailing address is: Tom Norman 2593 Osceola Ave. Columbus, OH 43211 USA If you just want a copy of the tape, please don't clutter up the list with e-mail. I WILL make everyone a copy when the tape is done. If you have a video to contribute, definately e-mail me. We could all use any footage, any generation. If you are in Europe or Africa or Asia, no matter. I can use your footage just the same. I have a World Multistandards converter. I can likewise make a tape for ALL, regardless of what country you live in. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Rare Demo Stuff Date: 18 Aug 1996 09:15:50 -0800 Really-From: Carl Dale: Not yet. It is tough enough to get the stuff that was released comercially. Slim chance, but it could happen. > Really-From: Dale Plants > > carl, > > have you even disscussed the possibility of realeasing even a limited cd > of the rare demo stuff. i know earlier that you had said if things go > well maybe a release of this stuff might happen. > just wondering. do you think that they (whoever has the rights) would > even consider it? > > thanks > dale # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl Subject: Re: no more hats Date: 17 Aug 1996 21:04:37 +0000 > I'd vote for dumping "Antarctica". This makes no difference, though, > since it won't be released anyway. Why'd you bring it up, Carl? Out > of boredom? That's my reason for everything... > Wow. Is this tough love or what? The bottom line is that the negotiations are ongoing and I would like to be prepared if/when I get the green light. I have new options available that I plan to explore. I have become quite a fan since I started working on Collection. I would like to see these recordings available legally. Sit tight and wish me luck. Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Foster Subject: 2fer vote Date: 19 Aug 1996 09:49:49 +1200 Another vote for keeping the two albums in their original form if possible, which means dumping Antarctica. Brent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas R.Day" Subject: mwh Date: 18 Aug 1996 21:13:53 -0500 Hi folks, i'm new to this and just want to know what is new, and is there any hope for ROY. Tom Duluth, MN -- MZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 19 Aug 1996 07:40:30 +0200 Really-From: Josefsson Per-Johan I agrre with Heath to replace two tracks with their edited single versions: > 4:44 I Got The Message 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > 4:19 I Like 3:22 I Like [single edit] /PJ. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: econec@vax.ox.ac.uk Subject: All This Democracy ... Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:16:49 +0100 ... is all very well, but a bit of analysis wouldn't go amiss. Leaving off songs that were on the original release is not the same as leaving off songs that you don't like. The latter is personal and subjective, the former not. (Although we could argue about which version of the CD is the "original".) Following on from the fact that there are at least two original versions of the CD, leaving off songs on Collection makes more sense than leaving off songs that are not. (Hell, as long as you have indestructible digital versions you can make your own UK, US or even Yugoslav version of the album on tape if you are that hot on album continuity.) Personally, I fancy the edited versions idea, though I'd also like to know how "hard" the 74 minute constraint is. (I know pressing errors go up as you make CDs longer and in bulk pressings this results in an unacceptable level of throwaways but does the same limitation apply to our "hand" pressings?) ATB, Edmund PS Amazing fact about CD, from Scientific American: It is claimed that the algorithm for error correction in CD can cope with a 2mm hole drilled in the CD. Anybody want to test this with an original ROY? (Ducking and running :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Rossi Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:20:07 -0400 (EDT) > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? I used to think the sugestion of usign the shorter version of "Antarctica" was a great idea. But the short version is already used on "Collection"! In my opinion, keep the original RoY and FoT80s, don't touch them! "Antarctica" should be kept because it's the longer version. How much time is left on the disc? Remember, you can still go past the 75 minute mark. I have some CDs where they reach very close to 79 minutes. ...................................suReAl!.................................... ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Really-From: Danny Rossi > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? I used to think the sugestion of usign the shorter version of "Antarctica" was a great idea. But the short version is already used on "Collection"! In my opinion, keep the original RoY and FoT80s, don't touch them! "Antarctica" should be kept because it's the longer version. How much time is left on the disc? Remember, you can still go past the 75 minute mark. I have some CDs where they reach very close to 79 minutes. ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Rossi Subject: Re: All This Democracy ... Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) > PS Amazing fact about CD, from Scientific American: It is claimed that the > algorithm for error correction in CD can cope with a 2mm hole drilled in the > CD. Anybody want to test this with an original ROY? (Ducking and running :) Sorry for flooding people's maiulboxes with this unreleated topic, but I couldn't resist. I have a few cds with holes in them and they do play crystal clear anyway! :) Thsoe cds weren't over 74 minutes. They are under 40! ...................................suReAl!.................................... ae752@freenet.toronto.on.ca Daniele Rossi (That's MISTER to you!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Davis Subject: Re: MWH Experts Date: 19 Aug 1996 09:59:59 -0700 hats mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Heath David > > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > edited single versions: > > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > 4:19 I Like > 3:22 I Like [single edit] > I agree.. the single edits aren't just truncated versions of the originals; they're slightly different mixes. I remember thinking I had gotten shortchanged when buying the 7" singles, only to find that the cuts are pretty cool. From a fan's point of view, seeing a 2-for-1 CD out with the original tracks from Folk III and RoY will be great - of course! But after the initial packaging lookover & play(s), what remains is a great sounding CD copy of everything found on the cassette and LP copies of these albums - which have been available for the past 12+ years. This is what I was afraid MCA was eventually going to do just for the pure $$$ (and this is no knock on Carl's hard work). Adding the long (or short) version of Antartica, along with the edits of "I Like" and "I Got the Message", would take the release above the (this'll-sound-bad-but-it's-not-meant-to-be) mediocrity of a simple rerelease. Only my opinions! Jim -- mailto:goreal@oz.net | http://www.oz.net/~goreal/menwithouthats # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: All This Democracy ... Date: 19 Aug 1996 11:27:57 -0600 (MDT) > Following on from the fact that there are at least two original versions of > the CD, leaving off songs on Collection makes more sense than leaving off > songs that are not. There are not "two original versions" of Rhythm of Youth. There is *one* original version -- that's what the word "original" means. The US LP/CS versions were revised versions. What makes the most sense is to put the *original* versions of the two albums in question on the twofer CD and leave any stray non-album tracks to a possible future collection. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Date: 19 Aug 1996 11:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Danny (and others): please do NOT send messages to both the old list and the new list. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Videotape Date: 19 Aug 1996 14:51:30 -0400 Really-From: ObieGregg@aol.com Count me in toooooooooo! Sounds Great! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jupiter8@aol.com Subject: Re: All This Democracy ... Date: 19 Aug 1996 22:57:29 -0400 In a message dated 96-08-19 13:29:02 EDT, you write: << What makes the most sense is to put the *original* versions of the two albums in question on the twofer CD and leave any stray non-album tracks to a possible future collection. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) >> Spoken very wisely...bootleg CD's are in the making...put the originals on the 2'fer and leave the extra stuff for the bootleg...Methinks that is why Carl is trying extra hard to get this released...in this age of being able to copy CD's for next to nothing...what's to keep us from making our own copies and distributing them ourselves? Not much...it would be hard to track down...If this 2'fer doesn't come out...the bootleg will...it WILL come out....and Durand won't get as much money because fans won't be as hardpressed to find the original albums on CD...Antartica is not "that" great a song...I would much rather have the original albums remain intact than to have to get a bootleg later on of the "original" MWH cd's in their originally released format (which is what I would press Mikey for if they don't come out that way). My thoughts... Roderick (the purist) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: Re: Videotape Date: 20 Aug 1996 20:51:18 +0900 Really-From: "William G. Perrin III" hats mailing list wrote: > Hi all, > OK. Since no one else has spoken up about the videotape, I WILL do it. Sign me up!! Do you take Japanese Yen? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl Subject: ROY/FolkIII Release Date: 22 Aug 1996 08:37:55 -0800 I will be making an announcement within the next two weeks about the release of ROY/FolkIII. There is a small light at the end of the tunnel. With regard to the track listing, survey says........ Bye bye Antarctica! Carl@Oglio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Subject: "Original" Date: 22 Aug 1996 12:31:49 -0400 Listfolk, I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original" form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be applied. As for the first item, fairness, who cares? We could argue that one all day. I'm an American, and my first taste of _ROY_ was the US cassette version, quite different from the Canadian album. Anyway.... More importantly: In this day and age, I don't know that one can always use 'first release' as a catch-all. What about a world-wide release on the same day, with different tracks and sequencing in different countries? Japan, for instance, often gets more tracks for their albums. And US CD's from UK bands occasionally have one more track, or one less. One might argue that the format of the release in the country of the band's origin is the "original" format. But what if the band is far more successful in another country? (Bush, for example, has sold 16,000 albums in its native UK, 2 million in the US.) And what if the cassette and CD forms in the same country have different tracklistings? (See Pink Floyd's _Pulse_, for example.) Then which is the "original"? And what about the country where the release is being made? Oglio is an American company, not Canadian. One might argue that they have no reason to follow a Canadian precedent. MHW's own country can't even get these albums re-released, so why should their old format decisions dictate what the new re-release should look like? Just some food for thought.... I tried not to be rude or anything. If I offended Lazlo or Canadians or anyone else, I apologize. Swahili Steve < http://members.aol.com/grebbsorg > Now playing: _Alpha_ by Asia (...no, really!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: "Original" Date: 22 Aug 1996 11:38:58 -0600 (MDT) > I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original" > form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be > applied. If you don't think my assertion applies generally, okay -- I don't think it does either. I do think it applies quite well to this particular album, though. I don't like it when record companies alter the tracking on a reissue to meet time contraints or serve some perceived marketing need in different countries (as in: "Americans won't like this version, let's drop some album tracks and stick on a couple of old singles"). It makes a lot more sense to me that the twofer release duplicate the original Canadian version of RoY than it does for Oglio to try to squeeze in what amounts to a "bonus" track ("Antarctica") by using edits instead of LP versions or by dropping other album tracks at random. The original (non-US) tracking of RoY may not be how *you* first heard the album, but at least it's how *some* people heard it. A tweaked tracking would have no claim to archival legitimacy whatsoever. Fortunately the question seems to be moot. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: Oglio Web Page Date: 22 Aug 1996 13:20:58 -0400 I don't recall anyone else mentioning this yet: Oglio records has a web page now: http://www.oglio.com/ complete with a front page link to the Men Without Hats homepage at MIT: http://web.mit.edu/user/t/o/tobye/www/mwh/ I just wanted to pass this along... Steve -- mailto:sj@synchrologic.com http://www.synchrologic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: Videotape progress Date: 23 Aug 1996 15:30:58 -0500 Hi All, I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation for sure! Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance I Like Pop Goes The World In The 21st Century Hey Men Here's what we need: Moonbeam WDTBG Sideways extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know what we've got today, Friday. Keep the footage coming..... Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Gale Subject: Re: Videotape progress Date: 23 Aug 1996 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > Hi All, > I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. > They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation > for sure! > > Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance > I Like > Pop Goes The World > In The 21st Century > Hey Men > > Here's what we need: Moonbeam > WDTBG > Sideways > > extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) > > I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know > what we've got today, Friday. > Keep the footage coming..... > Tom > tnorman@mail.netwalk.com > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well. thanx TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." F. Dostoevsky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: barnard@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Subject: MwH in Germany Date: 26 Aug 1996 01:29:10 +0200 I was in a bigger record store (W.O.M. in Nueremberg) on saturday and while browsing through the MwH section I found the Collection CD. So it seems to have it made to Germany... They also had the other three 'available' MwH CDs (Adventures, Pop and Sideways). Quite expensive ($25) though. I also found the Weird Al CD 'In 3D' with the 'Brady Bunch' on it. Quite cool but too expensive ($30, ouch). Ciao Henning -- Henning Schmiedehausen ...side by side in orbit... around a fairer SUN. barnard@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning We try to reproduce each bad bug and to figure out the scope of its malfeasance -- does this bug merely hang a window, or does it kill an entire app? Does it wedge the app server, crash the entire machine, crash all machines in the same room, shut off the electricity to the building, or run around the parking lot letting air out of car tires? -- Melissa Rogers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Subject: List Move - Final Notice Date: 26 Aug 1996 12:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" I've given David Datta the final go-ahead to shut down the versions of these lists that live at cs.uwp.edu. If you have not yet moved over to the versions of the lists at xmission.com, please do so immediately. For detailed instructions on joining the new versions of the lists, visit http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists (If you came in late, these lists are moving from cs.uwp.edu to xmission.com because cs.uwp.edu is going to be shut down soon.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: Videotape Progress Date: 26 Aug 1996 18:16:40 -0500 Good News! The tape is almost complete! We now have : 1. Safety Dance 2. I Like 3. Pop Goes The World 4. Moonbeam (not the greatest quality) 5. In The 21st Century 6. Hey Men 7. Record Guide episode hosted by IVAN on MWH from around '88 We need: 1. Where Do The Boys Go? 2. Sideways 3. spotlight from Much Music or Musique Plus???? cheers, Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Date: 26 Aug 1996 21:44:58 -0400 Tom, Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest? Brad Day # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Date: 27 Aug 1996 17:56:15 -0400 I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since. Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one? -Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Date: 27 Aug 1996 22:24:57 -0600 (MDT) > I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since. > Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one? The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time between digests. I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester Jr." Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Date: 28 Aug 1996 00:05:12 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time > between digests. > > I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine? +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Homepage: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4 Date: 28 Aug 1996 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT) >> The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time >> between digests. >> >> I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small. > > What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine? I'm moving the old uwp archives to xmission as time permits. I imagine that they'll remain available on archive(s).uwp.edu as well. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Video suggestions and some unrelated news Date: 28 Aug 1996 11:09:15 -0700 I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly. Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman). Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him, which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more. Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got brewing... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be released on CD. More as it develops... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: Re: Video suggestions and some unrelated news Date: 28 Aug 1996 13:59:03 -0500 >I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly. > >Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety >Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from >the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman). >Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him, >which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more. > >Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be >such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got >brewing... Don, this would be a real gem! But I don't think anyone has this. > >Don2 >dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com >P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself > that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be > released on CD. More as it develops... I want this CD!!!! tnorman@mail.netwalk.com Tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:03:20 -0500 At 09:44 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >Tom, > >Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest? > >Brad Day > You bet, Brad! Its gonna be a couple more weeks before I get all the master tapes , though. Don't send me a check for a bit longer. I'll make an anouncement on the list when I'm ready to begin recording. Its gonna take a while, too. I'm recording every tape individually from all the seperate master vids, for the best possible picture quality. You won't be dissatisfied, I promise. But everyone on this list will get a tape that wants one. I won't send the masters back until we all have a copy. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Norman Subject: Re: Videotape progress Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:05:35 -0500 At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos. >> They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation >> for sure! >> >> Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance >> I Like >> Pop Goes The World >> In The 21st Century >> Hey Men > > >> Here's what we need: Moonbeam >> WDTBG >> Sideways >> >> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) >> >> I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know >> what we've got today, Friday. >> Keep the footage coming..... >> Tom >> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com >> >> >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? >> # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. >> >I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that >band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are >intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well. >thanx > TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. >Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." > F. Dostoevsky Is it under one minute? Maybe its not worth the trouble. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Watters Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Date: 28 Aug 1996 16:18:23 -0700 Almost forgot... Sometime very soon I should be getting the following you might also like: WALL OF VOODOO-American Bandstand 1983 (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-MV3 (local L.A. show) 1983 (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio We're Dancing TV show (10 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Cutting edge mtv 1982 callbox & crack the bell (10m) WALL OF VOODOO-Andy Prieboy and Chas interviews (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Far Side of Crazy video & mtv interview (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-Do It Again (extended video version) 5+min WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio livein Atlanta (5 min) WALL OF VOODOO-live in San Juan Capistrano 1986 (15 min) PRIEBOY,ANDY-videos interviews (30 min) If you wanna delay things a little I can add that to our trade easily. mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Watters Subject: Re: Videotape Progress Date: 28 Aug 1996 16:28:33 -0700 Sorry about that folks... As you've undoubtedly figured out, that note was intended for someone else... nevermind. mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Gale Subject: Re: Videotape progress Date: 28 Aug 1996 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote: > At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas > Norman wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st > Century" and "Hey Men" videos. >> They play perfectly on my (player) > VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation >> for sure! >> >> Here's what > we've got now: Safety Dance >> I Like >> Pop Goes The World >> In The > 21st Century >> Hey Men > > >> Here's what we need: Moonbeam >> WDTBG > >> Sideways >> >> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) >> >> I realize > some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know >> what > we've got today, Friday. >> Keep the footage coming..... >> Tom >> > tnorman@mail.netwalk.com >> >> >> # Need help using (or leaving) this > mailing list? >> # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the > message. >> >I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is > Ivan from that >band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite > special. If you are >intersested let me know. I am very interested in > the video as well. >thanx > TDG "It's because I chatter that I do > nothing. >Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." > F. > Dostoevsky Is it under one minute? Maybe its not worth the trouble. > Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email > majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > Way under a minute but its cool TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing. Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." F. Dostoevsky # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Laurel Subject: introduction and curiousity... Date: 30 Aug 1996 10:49:30 -0500 (CDT) Hi. My name is Laurel Palmer and I am a big MWH fan. I suppose that goes without saying being as I am subscribed to this list. Just curious to see if there is anyone out there... Laurel O- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Heidi) Subject: Hats poster for sale Date: 31 Aug 1996 14:13:34 -0400 I have a poster of Hats on stage from a ROY concert that I'd like to sell. I don't remember what I paid for it, so if you're interested in it, just make me an offer. I don't how much postage will be or the cost of a poster tube yet, so figure that's extra and I'll find out during the week. If you're interested reply to me at heidi@world.std.com, not the whole list. (no that's not a typo, it's just a different address then the one I read the list on.) =}{= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl Subject: Oglio MWH 2 for 1 News Date: 31 Aug 1996 20:28:12 +0000 I just love to play good news-bad news with you guys. ;-) GOOD NEWS: The MWH Roy/Folk 2 for 1 will be released during the next six months. BAD NEWS: We were unable to reach a compromise with the US licensor for the US territory. The CD will likely first appear in Europe or another overseas country. Details have yet to be determined but the tracks will most likely include those already discussed. Packaging will be similar to our previous 2for1 series releases. For those of us in the US and Canada we will have to rely on friends outside North America for our copies for now. I know it sucks. I tried to work for a worldwide release but it is just not meant to happen. This is the first public announcement. Tell your friends! :-) Carl @ Oglio Records # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message.