From: hats-owner@xmission.com To: hats-digest@xmission.com Subject: hats Digest V2 #2 Reply-To: hats@xmission.com Errors-To: hats-owner@xmission.com Precedence: hats Digest Friday, 16 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 002 In this issue: Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Dump Antarctica? RE: Dump Antarctica? Re: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello) Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Dump Antarctica. Keep Unsatisfaction Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts Re: MWH Experts 2 on 1 vote Re: MWH Experts CD Length... New Info Message Re: MWH Experts A perverse suggestion Bootleg Mailing list notification? Re: Dump Antarctica? Re: Dump Antarctica? Bootleg -Reply RE: Dump Antarctica? Re: Hello?? Testing... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the hats or hats-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: srubacky@isdnwatch.xo.com (Sean Rubacky) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:20:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby out with the bath water. >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:55:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that, if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be as close to the original format as possible. "Antarctica" is on "Collection", so people who really want it can find it there. I think it should be removed if time/space is a consideration. That's my opinion, anyway. And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?" (Note to Carl: My plea for meticulous attention to detail does *not* include emblazoning the CD sleeve with "Where TO The Boys Go?") Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com > From srubacky@isdnwatch.xo.com Thu Aug 15 22:47:55 1996 > Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? > > I'll go for the use of short versions of a couple tracks, why throw the baby > out with the bath water. > > >Really-From: Carl > > > > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > > > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica > >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks > >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > > > >Any more votes? > > > > > >Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Russ Kemsley" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 06:39:17 UT Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? >>And I *like* "Unsatisfaction"... I love how that last buzzing note leads into the drum for "Where Do The Boys Go?"<< Here here! The buzzing intro to WDTBG is great as well as the whole song itself "Ya'd almost done me in-a" Gotta have that one (theoretically speaking). In fact, I think I'm gonna go throw on the vinyl right now. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:55:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: LIST ANNOUNCEMENT - YOU *MUST* READ THIS! kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello) Really-From: Miranda Gill MTC#*p !NcNV& + # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:53:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? In a message dated 96-08-16 01:05:09 EDT, you write: << IIII votes for dumping Antarctica I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks I vote to dump unsatisfaction Any more votes? Carl >> No...please no....I love Unsatisfaction....Is there not enough room for both albums in full? I wouldn't be as satisfied if it were left off.... :) I'm used to the order of tracks... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jupiter8@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:55:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica. Keep Unsatisfaction In a message dated 96-08-16 01:53:32 EDT, you write: << Call me overly sentimental, but I'd much rather hear the albums as they were back when I first bought them. Putting shorter radio edit versions of "I Got The Message" and others just wouldn't be the same. I think that, if these long-out-of-print CDs are going to be reissued, they need to be as close to the original format as possible. >> I agree....But maybe we should wait till all the list members arrive....before the vote is decided for sure... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:04:57 +0000 Subject: Re: MWH Experts > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > edited single versions: > > > > 4:44 I Got The Message > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > 4:19 I Like > 3:22 I Like [single edit] Ditto!!! PleasePleasePlease don't drop Unsatisfaction!!!! Carl, are you serious? Please don't toy with our emotions. ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: telliott@massmed.org (Toby Elliott) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:36:02 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts > > My recommendation would be to replace two tracks with their > > edited single versions: > > > > > > > 4:44 I Got The Message > > 3:30 I Got The Message [single edit] > > > > > 4:19 I Like > > 3:22 I Like [single edit] Since we've got the longer tracks on the compilation, this makes a whole lot of sense to me. Regards, Toby Elliott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 96 8:43:19 EDT Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Peter Grose/Norwalk/MBCC I also think Antarctica should go. It is not part of the original release of either album Keep the continuity of the albums and don't shorten the tracks by using the edit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Adam J Weitzman Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:55:47 -0400 Subject: 2 on 1 vote I have to cast my vote for maintaining the integrity of the two albums, and losing "Antarctica." - -- Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com "I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:31:29 -0400 Subject: Re: MWH Experts Really-From: Thomas Norman At 10:00 PM 8/15/96 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Heath David > > >> Really-From: Carl > >> >> The total time is 74:52 without track breaks. I have to shave at least >> 1:30 off to make Red Book standard. You guys are the experts and I trust >> your opinions. >> >> carl caprioglio >> Carl, You have my vote for shaving off "Antarctica". By the way, if this really is the 4 min version of Antarctica, then this is not the same version as the 3 minute one on "Collection". This is the Folk of 80s I and Freeways version that was NEVER on CD. On the other hand, it does NOT belong on Rythym of Youth. I will have to take the side of the majority here. It appears the track listing is perfectly matched to the original Canadian versions. Why spoil it? If a track HAS to go, lets get rid of Antarctica. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Kevin Gamble Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:52:08 -0600 Subject: CD Length... I'm curious, Carl... I have CDs which are almost 78 minutes long. What is the significance of the "Red Book" time of 74 minutes, and what complications does a longer CD ential? Does it have to do with cost, manufacturing standards, your company's source for discs, sound quality, or something else? I don't want to seem like I'm looking a potential gift horse in its hypothetical mouth, but I'm just curious about how this works. I suppose Antarctica should go if it has to. _Definitely_ don't edit or shorten any of the songs (I Got the Message and I Like are my 2 fave ever MWH songs). I'm not concerned with continuity with the original albums, there have been so many different versions anyway... Kevin, who's still keeping alive hope that he can someday walk into a record store and buy RoY on CD... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: New Info Message Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" It looks like I didn't get the info message for the list up on xmission in time for everyone to see it when they signed on. Just so everyone has a chance to read it, here it is. ABOUT THIS MESSAGE - ------------------ This is the introductory message for the "hats" electronic mailing list. Please read this message carefully before joining and/or posting to the list; it contains information about list etiquette and instructions on using the mailing list software. (If you're new to mailing lists, you may wish to keep a copy of this message around for future reference.) 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One thought: If "Antarctica" stays (and it looks like it will not), couldn't you put it in between the albums? It's completely out of order at the end of the CD (chronologically, it should be the first track), and my personal opinion is that "I Sing Last/Not For Tears" is a great final track. Thanks for asking! (This isn't just a "mental exercise", is it?) ;) Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: "Gordon R. Burgess" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 12:37:51 EST Subject: A perverse suggestion Hello, all! To Carl (and anyone else who cares), why not go with the suggested order and truncate the last ~2 minutes of Antarctica, as if the disc were a dubbed cassette that wasn't watched closely enough? You could put on the liner notes that it was done at the insistance of some crazed mw/oh fan, and it would still be enough of the song for us to get a taste. Then the newbies would have to buy Collection to hear how it ends! ;) Sorry, I must have had too much coffee today (or not enough) Gordon P.S. Laura; I've been in server hell for a week now with both front line and backup hardware failing miserably, and I just heard from my immediate boss that the guy one level up has canceled my order for new equipment, so no one is even taking the time to whisper their words of encouragement into my ear! Sorry if this isn't helping, but keep smiling, because it really disorients them! My NT server just went core dumpy again, gotta go... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: AG12345@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:52:15 -0400 Subject: Bootleg I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the bootlegs? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:04:29 -0700 Subject: Mailing list notification? This is mainly for Lazlo... The posts that come from the new list don't display "hats@xmission..." as the sender, like the old list... the sender's e-mail address is given as the address of the person who actually typed up the message and sent it to the list. Is that going to change? I'm not griping, I'm just curious, as it's not as easy to distinguish MWH list mail in my mail tool the new way. Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: waskar@pathcom.com (Nelson Sandoval) >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > >I think that we should dump Antarctica. - -Frederick Sandoval # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Jeff Schachter Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Hi! I just got onto the xmission list, and seem to have missed something... >>Really-From: Carl >> >> >>Well, the experts have spoken: >> >> >>IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >>I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >>I vote to dump unsatisfaction >> >>Any more votes? >> >> >>Carl >> >I think that we should dump Antarctica. > >-Frederick Sandoval What is Carl taking a poll about??? Is there another potential Oglio release? Jeff Schachter@pfc.mit.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: FRANCOIS BLAWAT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:48:30 -0500 Subject: Bootleg -Reply Nope. No news yet. Mike has not been on the list for awhile now. I will need to get back to you on the information regarding using or leaving the list. I placed the information on another drive. >>> 08/16/96 11:52am >>> I've been gone from the list for a while. Is there any news on the bootlegs? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 96 20:11:21 UT Subject: RE: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: "Avi Rosenthal" i am new to the list hello to all MHW fans!!! i am eagerly awaiting the rhythm of youth cd but, the thought of not having ANTARCTICA is appalling !!!!!!!!! it has always been one of my favorites. there must be another way around this. avi - ---------- From: hats@cs.uwp.edu on behalf of hats mailing list Sent: Friday, August 16, 1996 2:51 PM To: hats@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Dump Antarctica? Really-From: waskar@pathcom.com (Nelson Sandoval) >Really-From: Carl > > >Well, the experts have spoken: > > >IIII votes for dumping Antarctica >I vote to use short versions of a couple tracks >I vote to dump unsatisfaction > >Any more votes? > > >Carl > >I think that we should dump Antarctica. - -Frederick Sandoval # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. ------------------------------ From: Michael Vickers Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hello?? Testing... 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