Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still q= uestions

From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1199 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, May 16 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1199 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Hevi Shot -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: unsubscribe -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: unsubscribe -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi Shot -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot/PVLR... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi Shot -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: /PVLR... -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: unsubscribe -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: unsubscribe -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Historic Rifles ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:39:27 +1200 From: Duncan Macready Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... Magpie , Hevi shot is heavier than lead by about 7% , it is made of tungsten, iron and nickle, it is way harder than steel shot and requires special wads, it will tear your damascus barrel to shreds, I don't think it would be suitable for any ML use, load data I read says scoring of barrels is inevitable, try Bismuth if you want a ML lead alternative, have a look at the Remington web site to find out more about Hevi shot Cheers Dunc - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:37:33 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C31AB4.D95270C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Magpie wrote I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with this guy.... Anytime an airline pilot makes a statement like this I quit planning = on flying for a while, at least in the fall. Wynn - ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C31AB4.D95270C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Magpie wrote

I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next = fall with=20 this guy....

Anytime an airline pilot makes a statement like = this I quit=20 planning on flying for a while, at least in the = fall.

Wynn

- ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C31AB4.D95270C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:35:55 -0500 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: Hevi Shot Whoa! My understanding is that hevi shot is much harder than lead, and is about as hard as modern gun barrels. So they should be used in special shot cups unless you want your fowler's barrel rifled with 1 turn in infinity. It is a little heavier than lead also. Expensive too. Glenn Darilek - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:36:22 EDT From: TEXASLAZYB@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe - --part1_176.1a51c29e.2bf4f1d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe - --part1_176.1a51c29e.2bf4f1d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe - --part1_176.1a51c29e.2bf4f1d6_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:37:35 -0600 From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3135829055_69177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 5/14/03 7:38 PM, Ikon at ikon@mindspring.com wrote: Check for Lyman GPR kits. If I remember, I saw them in the 298.00 range awhile back in the white.. Frank - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolverine To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman GPR...{Lyman Products} I must say Im rather undecided at present. I called TVM today and spoke with them at length... As I desire a flinter in the Lyman and need 15 in pull, It might be the better way to go. The kit as Im told is inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod channel. It already has the premium barrel and the L&R lock.. At $510 for the full kit with premium parts , it might be the way to go. I was quoted a price of $370 for the Leman in already built from a dealer, plus $15 for shipping. So at present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is ready to go and shoot. the TVM has better parts Is anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles??? in kit form? Thanks for all the input to all !!! Wolverine Gentelmen, Try Caywood guns. Or cruise youre local pawn shops you might find a costum built flinter and most pawn shops don't know what they are. Ole - --MS_Mac_OE_3135829055_69177_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still q= uestions on 5/14/03 7:38 PM, Ikon at ikon@mindspring.com wrote:

Check for Lyman GPR kits. &nb= sp;If I remember, I saw them in the 298.00 range awhile back in the white..<= BR>
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wolverine <mailto:wolverine1@aaahawk.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though st= ill questions

Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman GPR...{Lyman Products} I must s= ay Im rather
undecided at present.
I called TVM today and spoke with them at length...
As I desire a flinter in the Lyman and need 15 in pull, It might be the bet= ter way to go.
The kit as Im told is inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod channel= .
It already has the premium barrel and the L&R lock..
At $510 for the full kit with premium parts , it might be the way to go. I was quoted a price of $370 for the Leman in already built from a dealer, = plus $15 for shipping.

So at present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is ready = to go and shoot.
the TVM has better parts
Is anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles??? in kit form?
Thanks for all the input to all !!!
Wolverine

Gentelmen,
Try Caywood guns. Or cruise youre local pawn shops you might find a costum = built flinter and most pawn shops don't know what they are.
Ole - --MS_Mac_OE_3135829055_69177_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:25:43 EDT From: Elkflea@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: unsubscribe - --part1_23.2f91d83d.2bf4fd67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNSUBSCRIBE - --part1_23.2f91d83d.2bf4fd67_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE - --part1_23.2f91d83d.2bf4fd67_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:09:47 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... - --part1_18e.1a560b75.2bf515cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/2003 6:33:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes: > Magpie wrote > > >> I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with this guy.... >> >> >> >> >> Anytime an airline pilot makes a statement like this I quit planning on >> flying for a while, at least in the fall. >> >> Wynn >> > Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by Fall ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the way I land.... Magpie - --part1_18e.1a560b75.2bf515cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/15/2003 6:33:03 AM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

Magpie wrote

I plan on terrorizing the Pacif= ic Flyway next fall with this guy....

Anytime an airline pilot mak= es a statement like this I quit planning on flying for a while, at least in=20= the fall.

Wynn

Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by Fal= l <VBG> ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the way I land....

Magpie - --part1_18e.1a560b75.2bf515cb_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:15:10 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi Shot - --part1_131.1eac9c71.2bf5170e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/2003 6:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, glenn@leaklocationservices.com writes: > Whoa! My understanding is that hevi shot is much harder than lead, and > is about as hard as modern gun barrels. Thanks Glenn, Dunc, I guess I'm confusing Hevi shot with Bismuth.... Digging through my reloading books, I do see tables for Bismuth and will try that. Magpie - --part1_131.1eac9c71.2bf5170e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/15/2003 6:36:25 AM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, glenn@leaklocationservices.com writes:

Whoa! My understanding is= that hevi shot is much harder than lead, and
is about as hard as modern gun barrels.

Thanks Glenn, Dunc, I guess I'm confusing Hevi shot with Bismuth.... Digging= through my reloading books, I do see tables for Bismuth and will try that.=20=

Magpie - --part1_131.1eac9c71.2bf5170e_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:21:14 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot/PVLR... - --part1_39.3892a90e.2bf5187a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:51:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1719@charter.net writes: > problem.> From the other posts, I think Crawdad actually got Bismuth.....or should have. I'm headed out to PVLR this morning and will be there till Sunday. You guys come over if you can. I've got the 54 Lancaster dialed in using 85grs 3F, .530 ball, a felt wad over the powder, and a .018 patch. Magpie - --part1_39.3892a90e.2bf5187a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:51:12 PM Pacific Dayli= ght Time, amm1719@charter.net writes:

<Haven't done it yet but sin= ce it is softer than lead there should be no problem.>

From the other posts, I thin= k Crawdad actually got Bismuth.....or should have.

I'm headed out to PVLR this morning and will be there till Sunday. You guys=20= come over if you can. I've got the 54 Lancaster dialed in using 85grs 3F, .5= 30 ball, a felt wad over the powder, and a .018 patch.

Magpie

- --part1_39.3892a90e.2bf5187a_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:37:47 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... - --part1_191.19bfefd5.2bf51c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/15/2003 9:11:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SWcushing@aol.com writes: > Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by Fall Lucky for the ducks the windows don't open! Barn - --part1_191.19bfefd5.2bf51c5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/15/200= 3 9:11:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SWcushing@aol.com writes:

Hell, I should be armed and dan= gerous in the cockpit by Fall <VBG>

Lucky for the ducks the windows don't open!

Barn - --part1_191.19bfefd5.2bf51c5b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:05:45 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi Shot Magpie, I'm glad we've gotten these responses on HeavyShot. Likely I am confusing it with Bismuth. Crawdad did give me some of one or the other and it was likely bismuth not HS. Anyway it is expensive and we were only going to use it as I said, where toxic shot is verboten. Ask Crawdad what he has and what he thinks bout it. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:09:16 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C31B1D.DC611FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by = Fall ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the way I land.... Magpie=20 Magpie, Do you get to paint your name on the front of the plane your flying? And = do you get to paint little figures of squatting passengers for every = time one soils himself on landing? Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C31B1D.DC611FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in = the=20 cockpit by Fall <VBG> ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the = way I=20 land....

Magpie

Magpie,

Do you get to paint your name on the front of the = plane your=20 flying? And do you get to paint little figures of squatting passengers = for every=20 time one soils himself on landing?

Capt. Lahti'

- ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C31B1D.DC611FA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:10:35 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: /PVLR... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C31B1E.0B614A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really sorry I won't make it this year. Too much else going on. I will = be at Brigade though. Have fun. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:21 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot/PVLR... In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:51:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = amm1719@charter.net writes: From the other posts, I think Crawdad actually got Bismuth.....or = should have. I'm headed out to PVLR this morning and will be there till Sunday. You = guys come over if you can. I've got the 54 Lancaster dialed in using = 85grs 3F, .530 ball, a felt wad over the powder, and a .018 patch. Magpie =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C31B1E.0B614A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Really sorry I won't make it this year. = Too much=20 else going on. I will be at Brigade though. Have fun.

Capt. Lahti'

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 SWcushing@aol.com

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 = 9:21=20 AM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi=20 shot/PVLR...

In a message dated 5/14/2003 10:51:12 PM Pacific = Daylight=20 Time, amm1719@charter.net=20 writes:

<Haven't done it yet but since it is softer than lead = there=20 should be no problem.>

From the other posts, I think Crawdad actually = got=20 Bismuth.....or should have.

I'm headed out to PVLR this morning = and=20 will be there till Sunday. You guys come over if you can. I've got the = 54=20 Lancaster dialed in using 85grs 3F, .530 ball, a felt wad over the = powder, and=20 a .018 patch.

Magpie

- ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C31B1E.0B614A00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:27:03 EDT From: J275Rogers@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe unsubscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:00:07 -0600 From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3135916807_29588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 5/15/03 9:09 PM, roger lahti at amm1719@charter.net wrote: Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by Fall ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the way I land.... Magpie Magpie, Do you get to paint your name on the front of the plane your flying? And do you get to paint little figures of squatting passengers for every time one soils himself on landing? Capt. Lahti' Magpie, You comming to nationals? Ole - --MS_Mac_OE_3135916807_29588_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... on 5/15/03 9:09 PM, roger lahti at amm1719@charter.net wrote:

Haaaaaaaaa...... Hell, I should be armed and dangerous in the cockpit by Fa= ll <VBG> ....course I'm kinda dangerous now with the way I land....
Magpie

Magpie,

Do you get to paint your name on the front of the plane your= flying? And do you get to paint little figures of squatting passengers for = every time one soils himself on landing?

Capt. Lahti'

Magpie,
You comming to nationals?
Ole - --MS_Mac_OE_3135916807_29588_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:38:54 EDT From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: unsubscribe - --part1_6d.113423f7.2bf651fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe - --part1_6d.113423f7.2bf651fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe - --part1_6d.113423f7.2bf651fe_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:56:00 -0400 From: "Punke, Michael W." Subject: MtMan-List: Historic Rifles This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BDC.CAF3F6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought you all might be interested in a recent letter I received about= my book, The Revenant. In the book, I armed Hugh Glass with an "Angstad= t" rifle made in Kutztown PA by a man named Jacob Angstadt. (There is no= record, of which I am aware, of what gun Hugh Glass actually carried cir= ca 1823.) From my research, I knew that Angstadt made high-caliber guns= in the early 19th century. I was particularly interested in Angstadt be= cause some versions of their rifles were quite short, and actually looked= a little like the later Hawkens. In any event, last week I received = a letter from one John P Angstadt of Lititz PA. He told me that he had c= ome across my book -- and that he is a direct descendant of Jacob Angstad= t and other members of the Angstadt family, most of them Pennsylvania gun= makers. John Angstadt, as you might imagine, has quite an interest in = Angstadt rifles, and asked me if I own one. I do not (unfortunately) but= I told him I would canvass this list and see if any of you either own An= gstadts or have come across them in your travels. YMOS, Michael Pun= ke (As a footnote, I went to the NRA's museum in Fairfax VA last = week while researching a new novel. If you haven't been there, it has a = nice collection of black powder weapons.) __________________________= _______________________________ NOTICE: This e-mail message and all atta= chments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addres= see and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If = the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee = or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipien= t, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying,= or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. = If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender imm= ediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your compu= ter. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C31BDC.CAF3F6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = I thought you all= might be interested in a recent letter I received about my book, The Rev= enant. In the book, I armed Hugh Glass with an "Angstadt"= rifle made in Kutztown PA by a man named Jacob Angstadt. (There is= no record, of which I am aware, of what gun Hugh Glass actually carried = circa 1823.) From my research, I knew that Angstadt made high= - -caliber guns in the early 19th century. I was particularly interes= ted in Angstadt because some versions of their rifles were quite short, a= nd actually looked a little like the later Hawkens.

In any event, last week I received a letter fr= om one John P Angstadt of Lititz PA. He told me that he had come ac= ross my book -- and that he is a direct descendant of Jacob Angstadt and = other members of the Angstadt family, most of them Pennsylvania gunmakers= .

John Angstadt, as you mi= ght imagine, has quite an interest in Angstadt rifles, and asked me if I = own one. I do not (unfortunately) but I told him I would canvass th= is list and see if any of you either own Angstadts or have come across th= em in your travels.

YMOS,
Michael Punke &nb= sp;

(As a f= ootnote, I went to the NRA's museum in Fairfax VA last week while researc= hing a new novel. If you haven't been there, it has a nice collecti= on of black powder weapons.)

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