From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1219 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, August 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1219 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       MtMan-List: help on shot -       MtMan-List: Throwin knives -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: Throwin knives -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       MtMan-List: Happy Birtday Fort Hall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:19:01 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a = ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could trouble=20 you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main character=20 shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck.  = My=20 editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, = as he=20 calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled = Pennsylvania=20 rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a = gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this is = realistic, or=20 should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 = yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep most=20 of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I = was=20 exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of=20 five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won = our=20 state championship one year.
 
Your help is appreciated.
Thanks,  = Ben
- ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:49:01 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive = weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled = Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a = gunsmith. Ben, It can be done and may have been done but it's not a wise shot if you = care about the game. And calling a hit to the neck is way out in left = field. Any good hunter will take a lung shot and be as close as he can = get. More like 100 yards. What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? Elephants are still in danger but we don't have a season on them so I = don't bother to shoot them that far even though I could hit one. I am = considered a pretty good shot and I don't like taking a shot at deer = sized animals beyond 100 and that is pushing it. The gun will shoot = tight enough but with open sights and etc. I can't hold that tight. Off = a rest the gun will shoot inside a paper plate at 100 and it's damned = hard to see the center of a bull at that range for me and I have pretty = good vision. Cut the yardage back or make the hit a body hit. Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
  My = editor thinks=20 that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The=20 main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock,=20 customized by his father, who was a gunsmith.
 
Ben,
 
It can be done and may have been done = but it's=20 not a wise shot if you care about the game. And calling a hit to the = neck is=20 way out in left field. Any good hunter will take a lung shot and be as = close=20 as he can get. More like 100 yards.
 
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
Elephants are still in danger but we = don't have a=20 season on them so I don't bother to shoot them that far even though I = could=20 hit one. I am considered a pretty good shot and I don't like taking a = shot at=20 deer sized animals beyond 100 and that is pushing it. The gun will = shoot tight=20 enough but with open sights and etc. I can't hold that tight. Off a = rest the=20 gun will shoot inside a paper plate at 100 and it's damned hard to see = the=20 center of a bull at that range for me and I have pretty good=20 vision.
 
Cut the yardage back or make the hit = a body=20 hit.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:17:47 -0500 From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: help on shot This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, I'm with the Capt. on your shot question. Calling a shot at that = distance is a large dose of braggin. Have your man aim for the kill zone = of the deer and keep it { off hand } at 100 yards and it will be more = believable. Just my two cents. =20 Long John - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben,
    I'm with the Capt. on your shot question. = Calling a shot=20 at that distance is a large dose of braggin. Have your man aim for the = kill zone=20 of the deer and keep it { off hand } at 100 yards and it will be more=20 believable. Just my two cents.  
    Long John
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:20:07 -0400 From: "Jason Chasse" Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin knives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All I am goin to my first rendezvous this fall and I was wonderin what the = rules are for throwers Size, width that sort of thing Little help please Jason - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
 
I am goin to my first rendezvous = this fall and=20 I was wonderin what the rules are for throwers
 
Size, width that sort of = thing
 
Little help please
 
Jason
- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:48:23 -0700 From: dnelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Ben, I've been shooting ML's somewhere between 30 and 40 years. For a large period of that time I was fortunate enough to own a piece of property that was over run with deer. In fact it was almost like hunting at the zoo. What I'm trying to say is that I feel like I've had a lot of experience hunting deer, and besides having killed and eaten more than my share, I was in on a lot of other folks getting their buck. So I feel like I'm speaking from a base of some experience anyhow. Before I can answer your question there are a couple of things that I'd like to know. What is the caliber of the rifle. What was the powder charge? A .40 caliber with 40 grains of powder is not a 100 yard load, but under the right conditions a larger caliber with enough powder can be. When he is shooting the forked horn, is he shooting off a rest, and what is the weather like. Windy? The wind affects a light round ball very drastically. I'm going to disagree with the other two guys in that even though a 120 yard shot is too darn far for a number of reasons, if I was hungry, if I couldn't get any closer, if I had a rest, and if I'm shooting a rifle with a large enough ball using enough powder to get it there in good shape, then I'd darn sure try for a nick shot. Why? Because I'm a modern guy, and I don't like crippled deer. I'd much rather miss clean than hit one poorly and have it get away. Now on account of I've been in this argument before, and I don't want to get in one again, please keep in mind that in my hunting prime I wasn't hunting on public land, and if I missed a shot, 20 minutes later I'd have another. A neck hit is clean, and the critter goes down like he was pole axed, and a miss is clean and the buck runs off. Let me tell you a couple of hunting stories, and you can make up your own mind. The very first buck I killed with black powder I was using a Thompson Center so called "Hawken" .50 caliber using 70 or 75 grains of 3F. Hey folks, this was a long time ago, and I was just starting, and it seemed like a good idea at the time. It was an accurate load, I won some shoots with it, so if you think I was crazy and using too much powder, all I can say is that it worked for me. I had spotted the deer feeding in a swale and had worked my way around them coming up from below. The last few yards I crawled and then bellied up the hill topping out behind a small scraggly rose bush. They were still there feeding. I cocked the TC, set the trigger and waited until this little forked horn raised his head to look around. I put the sights on his neck just about where it hooks to the head. I never held high, there was no wind, and when the smoke cleared, he was laying there. I paced it off after the fact. I'm 6'2" and the shot was something like 96 of my paces. If it had been 120 yards I expect it would have turned out the same way. Sometime after that I went to a shooting match. One set of targets were to be shot at 100 yards. The back boards for the targets were 4 pieces of plywood standing on end. So the target back boards were 8 feet tall and 16 feet long. There was a cross wind, and I could not believe my eyes. At one hundred yards the cross wind was blowing my .50 cal. ball 8 or 9 feet. The guys shooting smaller caliber's were even having worse luck. So I did a little reading and a little talking to them in the know, and I got rid of the TC and ended up with a .62 caliber that was a bit picky about the way it was loaded, but with 120 grains of 2FF and the ram rod bounced off the ball to be sure it was seated, it shot plumb center. I went to another shooting match and they had a rifle for the prize. We were shooting in a terrible cross wind. The rifle match was at 100 yards, you had to bust a clay pigeon, miss and out. Every body was missing. I held that big old punkin roller right on, allowing nothing for the wind, and I still have the rifle I won. The first .62 was a cap lock, and I've now graduated up to my second .62 caliber flinter, and I've made a lot of meat with those rifles. If the situation is right I'll shoot a buck in the neck every time. The facts are that I'm a terrible judge of distance, and I really like to shoot somewhere around 60 yards, but will shoot further if depending on the circumstances, and when I do, the rifle forgives me, because that size ball will shoot flatter farther and carry more energy to the target. However, out beyond a hundred and fifty yards it tends to fall out of the sky. I shot at a long gong at 300 yards one time, and I don't think the ball has got there yet. Let me make my point on this one. I was hunting on the last day of season, I hadn't had a chance to hunt that year, and I was about to get skunked. The morning was socked in with a heavy thick fog. Around 10 or 11 in the morning the fog was lifting and I went up in back of the place looking for a buck. Out of a fog bank came this really nice buck, running cross wise to me. As I was cocking and bringing the flinter up I was under last day pressure and wanting to shoot, so my mind said 60 yards, I can drill him on the run. Faster than I can tell the story I brought the rifle up behind him, and swung from the rear, and when I got air in the front of him I shot without stopping the swing. He made a sharp turn and started down the hill. To make a long story shorter, I had hit him in the ham, breaking the bone which cut the artery and he bled out and died leaving the easiest blood trail I ever followed. Why did I hit him in the ham? Because when I paced it off, he was 160 of my paces away, not 60, so he wasn't led near far enough. I've also killed a buck in a driving rain using a flintlock, just to prove I could do it. So as far as your story goes, people thought differently than we do, they knew what they could and couldn't do. They didn't think about wounded game like we do now. So I'd say yes, why not let him call his shot at 120 yards. There is a level of skill involved, and there is also luck, and they work well together. We have all hit stuff we never should have and acted like we do it every day, in fact most of us have done it more than once, the key being not to do the second shot. Shucks, I got started and run on lots longer that I planned. Hope this helps, Dale Nelson - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:46:58 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hi Ben, Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the neck at that distance by any means. Good luck with your book! Allen Hall From Fort Hall country At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello the camp, >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the yardage down? > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state championship one year. > >Your help is appreciated. >Thanks, Ben< - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:56:39 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Throwin knives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason That is going to depend on the rules of any given rendezvous. Many have = no real rules but anything really strange will probably cause some = questions to be raised. I have seen just about anything you can = imagine. If you make a blade up to about an inch and a half wide and = up to about a foot long that comes to a dagger point you will be pretty = well set. Lots of folks cover the grip area with leather (won't break = like wood). Practice with it and adjust the balance to make sticking = the knife more predictable.....you are a knifemaker and should be able = to do that OK. Then it becomes just like a fiddle player getting to = Carnegie Hall.....practice, practice, practice. =20 Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jason Chasse=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin knives Hi All I am goin to my first rendezvous this fall and I was wonderin what the = rules are for throwers Size, width that sort of thing Little help please Jason - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jason
That is going to depend on = the rules of=20 any given rendezvous.  Many have no real rules but anything really = strange=20 will probably cause some questions to be raised.  I have seen just = about=20 anything you can imagine.  If you make a blade up = to  about an=20 inch and a half wide and up to about a foot long that comes to a dagger = point=20 you will be pretty well set.   Lots of folks cover = the grip=20 area with leather (won't break like wood).  Practice with it = and=20 adjust the balance to make sticking the knife more predictable.....you = are a=20 knifemaker and should be able to do that OK.  Then it becomes just = like a=20 fiddle player getting to Carnegie Hall.....practice, practice, = practice. =20
Lanney = Ratcliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jason = Chasse
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 5:20=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin = knives

Hi All
 
I am goin to my first rendezvous = this fall=20 and I was wonderin what the rules are for throwers
 
Size, width that sort of = thing
 
Little help please
 
Jason
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a little background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck dropped immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't like to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the reader know that Zack was a good shot. It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any special load Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim behind the front leg. Thanks again, Ben - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > Hi Ben, > > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the > neck at that distance by any means. > > Good luck with your book! > > Allen Hall > >From Fort Hall country > > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello the camp, > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way to > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > > > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the yardage > down? > > > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > > > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by much. > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > championship one year. > > > >Your help is appreciated. > >Thanks, Ben< > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:12:04 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have looked high and low for the recipe but apparently not low enough. = I'm sure I have that recipe somewhere and I will post it if I ever find = it. I sent a letter to Lt.Col.Phillip Glise (Laura Jean's husband) = asking about the recipe but he has not turned it up. All I remember is = that it involved roasting pecan halves with spices and hot sauce. Dang = tasty. Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSeminerio@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic Ho the List=20 Did anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts? If so please = e-mail it to me.=20 Thanks In advance=20 John Seminerio=20 jseminerio@aol.com - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have looked high and low = for the=20 recipe but apparently not low enough.  I'm sure I have that = recipe=20 somewhere and I will post it if I ever find it.  I sent a letter to = Lt.Col.Phillip Glise (Laura Jean's husband) asking about the recipe but = he has=20 not turned it up.  All I remember is that it involved roasting = pecan=20 halves with spices and hot sauce.  Dang tasty.
Lanney = Ratcliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JSeminerio@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura = Jean=20 Nuts.....off topic

Ho the List =

Did=20 anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts?  If so please = e-mail=20 it to me.

Thanks In advance
John Seminerio
jseminerio@aol.com=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:07:31 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target practice!" The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought down the deer. Sol might have concluded with something like, "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the lights like I told ya to do." "Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along with our scalps!" Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. Our Story Continues....................... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a little > background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his > brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They > were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told > Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck dropped > immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke > his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't like > to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out > Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the reader > know that Zack was a good shot. > It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree > and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any > special load > Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung > shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a > neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim behind > the front leg. > Thanks again, Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Hall" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the > > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that > > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the > > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the > > neck at that distance by any means. > > > > Good luck with your book! > > > > Allen Hall > > >From Fort Hall country > > > > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hello the camp, > > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck > > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way > to > > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > > > > > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the > yardage > > down? > > > > > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > > > > > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten > > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by > much. > > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > > championship one year. > > > > > >Your help is appreciated. > > >Thanks, Ben< > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:51:35 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters ben--- in that time period there was no need to shoot at that distance to kill a deer today never or hardly ever do i shoot at distances over 50 yds---not a need too many around and no need to wond or just throw a shot at random at a deer in this area--- had 25 plus deer near my stand at one time last year and they didnt even know i was there---and i was on the ground on a bluff overlooking a acorn grove --- forget the wild stories about long shots---they didnt need to do that unless your charactor was a pilgrem and didnt know anything about hunting---they liked being close and knew woods lore and the hunting skills lost to so many today--- just my humbel opinion of course--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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