From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #125 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 125 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:14:22 EDT From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona In a message dated 8/13/98 1:03:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Grant writes: << I had it in my mind that I wanted to emulate the western fur trade around the 1830's, but I find that many of my tastes are drawn to the eastern woodsman >> Who wrote this again Grant, you or me? I imagine this story could apply to many of us. I have finally decided to turn my focus toward a Longhunter/Mountainman of the turn of the century. After all what were the western mountainmen of this period but eastern longhunters who pointed themselves west. I have a fasination for both periods and figure by putting my gear together just right I will fit into either period well with just a minor change of a few of the acutriments and cloths. Living in the St. Louis area we are connected well to both periods of time and have many events all year long that are connceted to one or the other period. I just figured rather than concentrate on just one period I would look at that time that sort of splits one from the other. Just something to think about. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:38:38 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona There's no reason, save financial, that you can't do both. Heck, I have a dozen or more personas and impressions that range throughout the 19th century frontier era. Don't agonize over it. Be as versitile as you can afford, and don't concentrate on only one thing. I guarantee you'll never get bored. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:45:59 EDT From: Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston In a message dated 8/14/98 7:53:24 AM, you wrote: <> So, is it Johnston or Johnson? Dick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:55:32 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona At 11:38 AM 8/14/98 -0600, you wrote: >There's no reason, save financial, that you can't do both.=A0 Heck, I have= a >dozen or more personas and impressions that range throughout the 19th >century frontier era.=A0 Don't agonize over it.=A0 Be as versitile as you= can >afford, and don't concentrate on only one thing.=A0 I guarantee you'll= never >get bored. > >Cheers, >HBC > Henry, Think of it this way. You get to enjoy multiple personalities and you don't trash several hundred, wasted bucks, an hour on a shrink. Cool. Where's the financial problem?=20 Seems cheaper to me. Certainly more fun. John... John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:22:46 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona You are going to be a great assets to this board or group. Get 5 or more of us together and you really have a camp of a hundred. Never heard it put so nicely on personas. Also...for those few people who have tried to get in touch with me or sent messages...the computer crashed again. I took it out an used it for target practice with my original Lyman(which still shoots 10x even with me at the sights) and a Winchester 30 odd something. Enjoyed blowing it up with some extra bags of gun powder I left lying around. Plastic, memory chips, and a hard drive everywhere. Too bad we cannot have a primitive shooting competition with computers as the target. Linda Holley John Kramer wrote: > At 11:38 AM 8/14/98 -0600, you wrote: > >There's no reason, save financial, that you can't do both. Heck, I have a > >dozen or more personas and impressions that range throughout the 19th > >century frontier era. Don't agonize over it. Be as versitile as you can > >afford, and don't concentrate on only one thing. I guarantee you'll never > >get bored. > > > >Cheers, > >HBC > > > > Henry, > > Think of it this way. > > You get to enjoy multiple personalities and you don't trash several hundred, > wasted bucks, an hour on a shrink. Cool. Where's the financial problem? > Seems cheaper to me. Certainly more fun. > > John... > John T. Kramer, maker of: > > Kramer's Best Antique Improver > >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< > >>>As good as old!<<< > > > > mail to: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:25:28 EDT From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona I appreciate all the comments and insight into my question regarding persona. I like the idea of having many persona's, except that it gets darned expensive (unless you are talented enough to make EVERYTHING yourself). I figured that if I settled on one, then I could concentrate my few funds on getting quality accoutrements. I too have the problem expressed by others of being horseless and so I am attracted to that which better suits the man on foot. I am at least 5 years away from being able to aquire one of the critters as I have a year of bachelors school, and at least two years of masters school ahead not to mention a wife to get through physician assistant school. I think that I am going to pick up a copy of the journals of Lewis and Clark this weekend and start my research there. If anyone has anymore suggestions on primary sources, I would love to hear about them. Thanks again for all the help. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:22:01 -0700 From: James Mahoney Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Lewis and Clark Journals - Reply Dear Mr's. Rudy, Tippets, & Corbitt, Here is an excellent resource regarding your interest in the natural landscapes and wildlife encountered by the Corps of Discovery: "The Natural History of the Lewis and Clark Expedition" Edited by Raymond Darwin Burroughs. Published in 1995, by the Michigan State University Press. YMObt Svt, Jim Mahoney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:55:20 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona >I appreciate all the comments and insight into my question regarding persona. >I like the idea of having many persona's, except that it gets darned expensive >(unless you are talented enough to make EVERYTHING yourself). I figured that >if I settled on one, then I could concentrate my few funds on getting quality >accoutrements. That's how many of us started. Almost 20 years ago, for financial reasons, I started with one era, then branched out. If possible, try top copmbine equipment so that one persona could become two. I can use my fur trade stuff to do Texas Army, for example. My Civil War equipment fits well for early Indian Wars (1867-1873) Many civilian impressions are right at home at military events and reenactments. It doesn't hurt to mix and match, as long as sound historical judgement is used in crossing periods. As someone else said, eastern woodland longhunter impressions fit Lewis and Clark and early fur trade scenarios very nicely. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:31:30 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Harbold" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great 1830 Hunting Pouch Search & Contest Thanks, Hawk, LongWalker, et al! Can't help with this, I'm afraid, but will be following the "hunt" with interest. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:33:52 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona Grant, The personas which are missing are those most common in the past we emulate.= =20 Read the Fur Trade Library on Dean's web site, it is better than you'll find in most public libraries on the subject. Read the entire archive he has posted there of the past discussions on this list. You'll find many folks did not have horses, and some not all the time. A lot of people were walking= around.=20 You'll find everything you need to know to get started and much more. We have plenty of the upper end of variety what is not represented is the common: camp keepers and company men. The ones who did the most work and received the least. =20 Would you work your heart out for one rip roaring drunken frolic a year, and barely enough to survive and get by? That was the life most common. Your concern with finance causes me to suggest you emulate that which we= need to see much more of at rendezvous. =20 It is really cheap to do. You can hold your head higher than a bedazzling Free Trapper because you are helping make the camp look more like the camps of= old than just another "Fancy Dan." You don't need a gun or much of anything except a few crude clothes, a fire steel, cup, knife, one blanket and not much else. If you've talent as a= camp dog you won't even need cook gear, one pot will do. You may be made to work for your supper. Like gather in wood. If you want to spend money -- buy= good books. As you can afford it and develop a more discerning taste by association and learning you can better select and acquire those things which will serve you best. DO NOT BUY ANY OF THE FIRST 100 guns you look at. Ask a lot of questions. Listen to the answers. There was only one Ashley, Astor, Bridger, Bonneville, Stewart, and the= rest, of the few of fame and fewer of fortune. There were many with VERY little. Be one of the many, now few, and save a fortune. Then when you and your wife are both working you can do John Jacob Astor or William Drummond Stewart. You can have brain tan with moose hair embroidery if you like. You might then want to consider a quilled, painted or beaded= brain tan buffalo hide lodge. I know folks willing to make one, for a price. =20 Whether it's knowledge, recreation, or nifty stuff there are few limits in this pursuit. To be absolutely correct at rendezvous need not be expensive. Be what you are. Become what you become. I guarantee 20 years from now you'll be entirely different. John... At 01:25 PM 8/14/98 -0400, you wrote: >I appreciate all the comments and insight into my question regarding= persona. >I like the idea of having many persona's, except that it gets darned expensive >(unless you are talented enough to make EVERYTHING yourself).=A0 I figured= that >if I settled on one, then I could concentrate my few funds on getting= quality >accoutrements.=20 > >I too have the problem expressed by others of being horseless and so I am >attracted to that which better suits the man on foot.=A0 I am at least 5= years >away from being able to aquire one of the critters as I have a year of >bachelors school, and at least two years of masters school ahead not to >mention a wife to get through physician assistant school.=20 > > I think that I am going to pick up a copy of the journals of Lewis and= Clark >this weekend and start my research there.=A0 If anyone has anymore= suggestions >on primary sources, I would love to hear about them.=A0 Thanks again for al= l the >help. > >Grant >=20 John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: =20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:06:46 +0000 From: randybublitz@juno.com (RANDAL J BUBLITZ) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Lewis and Clark Journals David Tippetts, I have a book called; 'Lewis & Clark : Pioneering Naturalists'. It's by Paul Russell Cutright. University of Nebraska Press. ISBN 0-8032-6334-1 Mine is priced at $16.95. It is readily available. I bought mine at the Arch bookstore in St. Louis, then gave it away. I bought another one at the bookstore at the Western Heritage Museum in Los Angeles. Hope this helps. Hardtack _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:26:36 -0400 From: darlene Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico steve my wife is a seamstress & she does all by hand & her prices are not much higher than someone that does by machine.she has a business called (STITCHES IN TYME).if you wish to contact her by e-mail her e-mail adress is (darlene@sssnet.com) & she will gladly get back to you.she just recently made 2 fine longhunter shirts out of russian linen for a gentleman out west.she is going to have some items in the blacksmith shop in fairmont wva.this gentleman is the blacksmith at prickett's fort in fairmont wva.hope to hear from you shootshimselfAt 02:17 PM 8/11/98 EDT, you wrote: >Ho the list, >I'm sure this has been covered before, but I need to know how long "Calico" >shirts have been around.... and who makes the best drop sleeve calico shirts. >I need a green or brown one for hunting this fall..... looks nicer than camo. > >Steve > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:25:12 EDT From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Lewis and Clark Journals - Reply Another you might wish to concider is the Frank Bergon edition. It contains a list of the articles purchased for the expedition which is a very good source of information on what could have been carried and used by any following trapper or trader. YMHS Vince Stevens A.K.A. George Drouillard L&C Honor Guard, Great Falls, MT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Mizell Subject: MtMan-List: 1998 Summer/Fall Schedule? Skinner, Looking for a RENDEVOUS! (IN or around Tennessee Tri-State area) for late summer or fall of 98! Happy Trails-Laughin' Bear _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:58:09 -0600 From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico How much does your wife charge for a hand sewn linen shirt, I am looking for another one and possibly a handsewn cotton shirt that has an appropieate color pattern. Thanks Joe Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 Write for custom tanning prices We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and hair on robes Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:04:27 -0500 From: "yellow rose/pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: cotton seed oil Does anyone out there have a source for cotton seed oil ? Does this stuff work well for water prooffing ? Pendleton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:44:24 -0500 From: Jeff Powers Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico On 1998-12-08 hist_text@lists.xmission.com said to kestrel@ticon.net >CC: SWcushing@aol.comhist_text@xmission.com >>Ho the list, >>I'm sure this has been covered before, but I need to know how long >>"Calico" shirts have been around.... and who makes the best drop >>sleeve calico shirts. I need a green or brown one for hunting this >>fall..... looks nicer than camo. >>Steve >This from "An Account of Upper Louisiana" Nicolas de Finiels,ed.and >translated by Carl Ekberg. >In January of 1809 H.Austin & Co. advertised in the "Missouri >Gazette":"Just received, and offered for sale,an assortment of DRY >GOODS,....1000 yards Calicos from 50 to 75 cents" >To save my typing FINGER I cut an awful lot of the ad and just >quoted the pertinent info. The ad also lists "Cotton Checks" so >ckecked shirts were a possibility also. I tried to send this but I don't think it went through. SOUFLE,SOUFLE La VIELLE Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Dragonwolfen@webtv.net (A D) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cotton seed oil My wife will check on the cotton seed source. She is a soap maker and has access to many kinds of oils. If you need more info contact me off line. D'Wolfen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:34:30 -0700 From: Gary Bell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona Linda!! I have not laughed so much in weeks! Linda Holley wrote: > ...the computer crashed again. I took it out an used it for target > practice with my original Lyman(which still shoots 10x even with me at the > sights) and a Winchester 30 odd something. Enjoyed blowing it up with some > extra bags of gun powder I left lying around. Plastic, memory chips, and a hard > drive everywhere. Too bad we cannot have a primitive shooting competition with > computers as the target. > I have a couple of targets to offer! Would anybody like a bullseye image of Mr. Gates? I think there is a fine commercial opportunity here! > Linda Holley > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:54:56 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Desperately seeking a persona Gary Bell wrote: > > Linda!! > > I have not laughed so much in weeks! > > Linda Holley wrote: > > > ...the computer crashed again. I took it out an used it for target > > practice with my original Lyman(which still shoots 10x even with me at the > > sights) and a Winchester 30 odd something. Enjoyed blowing it up with some > > extra bags of gun powder I left lying around. Plastic, memory chips, and a hard > > drive everywhere. Too bad we cannot have a primitive shooting competition with > > computers as the target. > > > > I have a couple of targets to offer! Would anybody like a bullseye image of Mr. > Gates? I think there is a fine commercial opportunity here! That's probably about right! Since he and Clinton are good buddies....oh well, on to on topic discussions. Fred - -- - - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:07:22 -0700 From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: confusion did you finaly get that hungry computer fed up iron tongue Blue Rider wrote: > Folks, > > As a computer crash has eaten all my mailing list info,could some kind > soul please tell me how to unsub/resub or just change my email address > with the list? I sure would appreciate it, as I have to change my > address in a couple of days. > > TIA > Blue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:03:35 -0400 From: darlene Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico Hi, thank you for you interest in a shirt. The price of the shirts are Cotton $40.00 fustion undied 55.00 fustion died 65.00 wool 60.00 linen 75.00 As for the appropriate collars for the cotton shirt it would depend on what you wish to portray. I would need more information on this. Thank you Darlene At 09:58 AM 8/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >How much does your wife charge for a hand sewn linen shirt, I am looking >for another one and possibly a handsewn cotton shirt that has an >appropieate color pattern. >Thanks >Joe > >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440 >Write for custom tanning prices >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and >hair on robes >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:06:26 -1000 From: Blue Rider Subject: Re: MtMan-List: confusion Jerry H. Wheeler wrote: > > did you finaly get that hungry computer fed up iron tongue > Shore did, IT, and thanks for asking. She's running good now. I just hope it lasts. Not holding my breath, but what the heck. Aloha, Blue > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:45:58 -0500 From: WIDD-Tim Austin Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico -Reply I highly recommend STITCHES IN TYME. She did two shirts for me, and they are great. Should be considered, the workmanship is great, and the length of time she gets the completed product to you is fantastic. Tim Austin ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #125 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.