From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #126 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 126 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:42:20 -0700 From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: confusion blue did that fellowon the list come to visit you in the blue hw. country seams to me i remember he was asking how to get hold of you said that he was going to hw. and wanted to visit .------im soooo nosey. iron tongue Blue Rider wrote: > Jerry H. Wheeler wrote: > > > > did you finaly get that hungry computer fed up iron tongue > > > > Shore did, IT, and thanks for asking. She's running good now. I just > hope it lasts. Not holding my breath, but what the heck. > > Aloha, > Blue > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:35:45 -1000 From: Blue Rider Subject: Re: MtMan-List: confusion Jerry H. Wheeler wrote: > > blue did that fellowon the list come to visit you in the blue hw. > country seams to > me i remember he was asking how to get hold of you said that he was > going to hw. > and wanted to visit .------im soooo nosey. iron tongue > > Boy, that was a while back. No, nobody ever showed up. Who the heck was it, anyway? Don't worry about bein' nosy. If I don't like it, you will know. And right off too. I don't take offense very easy. Too much trouble for a lazy one like me. Good to talk to you, Blue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:52:29 -0500 From: "K. Carpenter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston Everything I have read says Johnston. I am, shortly, leaving for Wyoming and the 1834 Ham's Fork event. After this, I am going to the Little Snake country, around Baggs, WY. Does anyone know exactly where the Liver Eater's cabin was, where supposedly his family was killed and his Crow liver eating commenced? I have read it was in this area, but haven't been able to determine exactly where. Maybe nobody knows. Also, while in this area, I am going to visit the battle site where Henry Fraeb and others had a trading post and the place where Fraeb was killed in said battle. I'll tell you what I find when I get back. Carp Rkleinx2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/98 7:53:24 AM, you wrote: > > < contains some of the history of John Johnson while he lived in Redlodge and > other areas close to the Yellowstone River in Montana. It also includes an > account of his death in a VA hospital in Los Angeles.>> > > So, is it Johnston or Johnson? > Dick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:50:11 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cotton seed oil >Does anyone out there have a source for cotton seed oil ? Does this stuff >work well for water prooffing ? >Pendleton I don't know where to get pure cotton seed oil, but Lubbock is the center of the cotton seed oil industry. There are three places that produce the stuff. It is a major component of most cooking oils, and at times the east side of town smells like a "greasy spoon" restaurant. Since it is an oil, chances are that it will waterproof, but the question is, would you use it. It might be like brushing mazola on your tent. If you can stand the smell, fine, but it would also attract everything that crawls and flies, making an uncomfortable living situation. Your call. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:32:57 -0700 From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston if you go to baggs wyo go a little farther to slater thereis a musium there that is about my great great great grand father also other pioneers of that area his name is james baker he is barred their near there. i still have his sharps buffalo gun an some other charished memorabilia. jerry wheeler---iron tongue K. Carpenter wrote: > Everything I have read says Johnston. I am, shortly, leaving for Wyoming and > the 1834 Ham's Fork event. After this, I am going to the Little Snake country, > around Baggs, WY. Does anyone know exactly where the Liver Eater's cabin was, > where supposedly his family was killed and his Crow liver eating commenced? I > have read it was in this area, but haven't been able to determine exactly > where. Maybe nobody knows. Also, while in this area, I am going to visit the > battle site where Henry Fraeb and others had a trading post and the place where > Fraeb was killed in said battle. I'll tell you what I find when I get back. > > Carp > > Rkleinx2@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/14/98 7:53:24 AM, you wrote: > > > > < > contains some of the history of John Johnson while he lived in Redlodge and > > other areas close to the Yellowstone River in Montana. It also includes an > > account of his death in a VA hospital in Los Angeles.>> > > > > So, is it Johnston or Johnson? > > Dick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:15:32 -0500 From: "K. Carpenter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston Jerry H. Wheeler wrote: > if you go to baggs wyo go a little farther to slater thereis a musium there that is > about my great great great grand father also other pioneers of that area his name > is james baker he is barred their near there. i still have his sharps buffalo gun > an some other charished memorabilia. jerry wheeler---iron tongue > > > I have been to this museum in Savery, Wyoming. They have one of Baker's cabins on > the museum grounds and one of his dugout canoes in the musuem. I forgot to mention in my original reply that, several years ago, I actually went to the VA cemetary in LA and went to the spot described in a book, I believe Crow Killer, to find Johnston's grave. He had already been moved. Carp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:46:23 EDT From: Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Calico Thanks boys, for all the information on calico. Kramer, if you saw how handy I am with a needle and thread, you'd send money......smile. Think I'll buy one. I just finished reading a book on the history of Fort Nisqually. Not long after the fort was built, the HBC had cows and sheep shipped up from Fort Vancouver. Seems the local Indians had never seen such critters and all got quite ill from drinking the milk! The author, (a Nisqually Indian) goes on to say that ALL Indians lack the enzyme to digest milk! I know of some people who are "lactose in tolerate" but not an entire race. Can this be true? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:16:43 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Calico >I just finished reading a book on the history of Fort Nisqually. Not long >after the fort was built, the HBC had cows and sheep shipped up from Fort >Vancouver. Seems the local Indians had never seen such critters and all got >quite ill from drinking the milk! The author, (a Nisqually Indian) goes on to >say that ALL Indians lack the enzyme to digest milk! I know of some people who >are "lactose in tolerate" but not an entire race. Can this be true? Not likely. Try telling that to all of our Indian friends who love ice cream. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:43:53 -0700 From: Mark Subject: MtMan-List: Looking for list Hey guys and gals.. Is the RevWar listserve defunct..? I try to sub to it, and I get a message back saying it doesnt exist.. Has it moved...? I'd 'preicate being informed of its status by any of you good folk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:45:37 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: Re: MtMan-List: Calico Re "racial" lactose intolerance -- Actually this is possible (maybe as much from accustomed diet as racial stock) -- my father told us a story of how his unit treated a bunch of Korean orphans during the Korean war to an ice cream party, only to watch in dismay as they all got sick. Indian ancestry traces back to Asian groups, I believe ??? Pat Quilter - -----Original Message----- From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU [mailto:mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 12:17 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Calico >I just finished reading a book on the history of Fort Nisqually. Not long >after the fort was built, the HBC had cows and sheep shipped up from Fort >Vancouver. Seems the local Indians had never seen such critters and all got >quite ill from drinking the milk! The author, (a Nisqually Indian) goes on to >say that ALL Indians lack the enzyme to digest milk! I know of some people who >are "lactose in tolerate" but not an entire race. Can this be true? Not likely. Try telling that to all of our Indian friends who love ice cream. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:43:55 -0700 From: Roger Lahti Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico Pat' Racial ancestry does not trace back to Asian Stock, just ask most Indians out west here. YMOS Caapt. Lahti' Pat Quilter wrote: > . > Indian ancestry traces back to Asian groups, I believe ??? > Pat Quilter > > -----Original Message----- > From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU [mailto:mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 12:17 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Calico > > >I just finished reading a book on the history of Fort Nisqually. Not > long > >after the fort was built, the HBC had cows and sheep shipped up from > Fort > >Vancouver. Seems the local Indians had never seen such critters and all > got > >quite ill from drinking the milk! The author, (a Nisqually Indian) goes > on to > >say that ALL Indians lack the enzyme to digest milk! I know of some > people who > >are "lactose in tolerate" but not an entire race. Can this be true? > > Not likely. Try telling that to all of our Indian friends who love ice > cream. > > HBC > > ***************************************** > Henry B. Crawford Curator of History > mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University > 806/742-2442 Box 43191 > FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 > WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum > ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:02:25 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: MtMan-List: Milk (aka: Calico) >Re "racial" lactose intolerance -- Actually this is possible (maybe as >much from accustomed diet as racial stock) -- my father told us a story >of how his unit treated a bunch of Korean orphans during the Korean war >to an ice cream party, only to watch in dismay as they all got sick. >Indian ancestry traces back to Asian groups, I believe ??? I think this has more to do with malnutrition, especially if the orphans had been starving. It takes the system some time to reaclimate to acidic foods after having been deprived. The ice cream may have been a bit premature. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because it's there! ******* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:18:32 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calico No I don't think so....but I do know that some Hispanics and African Americans are lactose intolerant but not the entire group of people. Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:18:06 -0600 From: "David Tippets" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston Sorry, but I have no source of information that documents the correct spelling of the last name. - -----Original Message----- From: Rkleinx2@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Fwd: Liver-Eating Johnston > >In a message dated 8/14/98 7:53:24 AM, you wrote: > ><contains some of the history of John Johnson while he lived in Redlodge and >other areas close to the Yellowstone River in Montana. It also includes an >account of his death in a VA hospital in Los Angeles.>> > > >So, is it Johnston or Johnson? > Dick > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #126 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.