From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1319 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, February 19 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1319 In this issue: -       Re: ps.( MtMan-List: Indian contribution to decimation of buffalo) -       Re: MtMan-List: Safety Pins -       MtMan-List: correction -       Re: MtMan-List: correction -       MtMan-List: Lee's Paper - Yahoo Groups -       MtMan-List: Speaking of books...James Clyman -       Re: MtMan-List: Speaking of books...James Clyman -       MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       RE: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? -       Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: Samuel Keller Subject: Re: ps.( MtMan-List: Indian contribution to decimation of buffalo) It works. Sam - --- George Noe wrote: > I placed it in "Files" > Let me "Noe" if this works. > > > George Noe wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MtMan/ > Hey folks I.m not sure how I got there, much less > how to post a link. > > > > > > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > > > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the > skyline. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:07:53 -0800 From: "RP Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Safety Pins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C3F5A2.7D8AC7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just being "upfront" about it like I suspect Adam was. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Safety Pins Well, Capt'n Now I know why you are an officer. It's that skill of yours that = helps direct the rest of us hapless souls in a painless alternative that = accomplishes the same goal (end?). Sparks=20 RP Lahti wrote: A hair pin? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James and Sue Stone=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Safety Pins Nate, I don't know. But after giving it some thought and knowing what = he would have to pin the leaf to, I suspect he did not use a safety pin. Sparks =20 Nathan Boyer wrote: Hey Sparks, Didn't Adam use a safety pin to hold his fig leave on????? Sorry Nate. James and Sue Stone wrote: Mrs. Stone says Walter Hunt patented the safety pin as we know = it in=20 1849. .=20 Sparks beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: >Dear List, > On a less serious note. > When was the open wire type safety pin invented and put into = everday >use? Did the MM have and use them. > I always thought safety pins came in the late 1800's? > Does anyone know. > bb > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >=20 > ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C3F5A2.7D8AC7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was just being = "upfront" about=20 it like I suspect Adam was. <G>
 
Capt. = Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James=20 and Sue Stone
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, = 2004 7:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Safety = Pins

Well, Capt'n
Now I know why you are an officer. =  It's=20 that skill of yours that helps direct the rest of us hapless souls in = a=20 painless alternative that accomplishes the same goal (end?).
Sparks =

RP Lahti wrote:
A hair = pin?
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 James and Sue Stone = To:=20 hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20 Sent:=20 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:28 PM Subject:=20 Re: MtMan-List: Safety Pins

Nate,
I don't know.  But after giving it = some=20 thought and knowing what he would have to pin the leaf to, I = suspect he=20 did not use a safety pin.
Sparks  

Nathan Boyer = wrote:
Hey Sparks,
 
Didn't Adam use a safety pin to hold his fig leave = on?????
 
Sorry
 
Nate.

James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net&= gt;=20 wrote:
Mrs.=20 Stone says Walter Hunt patented the safety pin as we know it = in=20
1849. .
Sparks

beaverboy@sofast.net=20 wrote:

>Dear List,
> On a less serious = note.
>=20 When was the open wire type safety pin invented and put into=20 everday
>use? Did the MM have and use them.
> I = always=20 thought safety pins came in the late 1800's?
> Does = anyone=20 know.
>=20 bb
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- ------=_NextPart_000_01BF_01C3F5A2.7D8AC7A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Teter Subject: MtMan-List: correction - --0-1529028209-1077088987=:70610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello everyone, The title to Andrew Isenburg's book is "Destruction of the Bison", not buffalo. I am a prime example of why those otherwise honest oldtimers who remembered the past as best they could still need to be checked with other sources. Sorry, I remembered the title wrong. It's a wonder I remembered the author. Lee Teter - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. - --0-1529028209-1077088987=:70610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello everyone,
 
The title to Andrew Isenburg's book is "Destruction of the Bison", not buffalo. I am a prime example of why those otherwise honest oldtimers who remembered the past as best they could still need to be checked with other sources. Sorry, I remembered the title wrong. It's a wonder I remembered the author.
 
 
 
 
Lee Teter

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Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. - --0-1529028209-1077088987=:70610-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:38:22 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: correction This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3F5F2.2FA466E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice aritcle Lee Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C3F5F2.2FA466E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

Nice aritcle Lee

Ben

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Hey, All
 I have found out the Yahoo Groups only let me post part of Lee's paper.
 Also found out it seems to be a moderator controlled site.
 I have ask Angela Gottfred is she might post it for us.
 Sorry
 grn


George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com >
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Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. - --0-263820323-1077120071=:25880-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:10:38 -0600 From: "Monte Holder" Subject: MtMan-List: Speaking of books...James Clyman This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C3F60F.D6B62730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went home last evening and looked and it was in James Clyman that he = talked about swimming in the river and the gun got in his way. Then he = says the lock got hung up on his belt, but he got it out, but still had = trouble swimming, so he unfastened his belt and let it and his pistols = go, then it appears one sleeve of his buckskin hunting shirt. I just = thought it interesting about the pistols, which seem to not be too = common on the frontier, and then the one sleeve of the hunting shirt.=20 So does anybody have an idea of what kind of pistols those might have = been? Later in the book, when he's talking about living in Wisconsin, = he gets shot by some indians with his own gun, which was apparently a = shotgun with damascus barrels the way I read it. And then they say he = had a J & S Hawkin gun that he must have acquired by the time he went = back west. Also, the hunting shirt. How could you get one arm off while swimming. = That is just the way I read it. Did I read that wrong or could it be = one of those coats that has the arms separate that tie on to the main = part. I have seen a coat like that somewhere, just can't remember = where. Monte Holder Saline COunty Missouri - ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C3F60F.D6B62730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I went home last evening and looked and it was in James Clyman that = he=20 talked about swimming in the river and the gun got in his way.  = Then he=20 says the lock got hung up on his belt, but he got it out, but still had = trouble=20 swimming, so he unfastened his belt and let it and his pistols go, then = it=20 appears one sleeve of his buckskin hunting shirt.  I just thought = it=20 interesting about the pistols, which seem to not be too common on the = frontier,=20 and then the one sleeve of the hunting shirt.
 
So does anybody have an idea of what kind of pistols those might = have=20 been?  Later in the book, when he's talking about living in = Wisconsin, he=20 gets shot by some indians with his own gun, which was apparently a = shotgun with=20 damascus barrels the way I read it.  And then they say he had a J = & S=20 Hawkin gun that he must have acquired by the time he went back = west.
 
Also, the hunting shirt.  How could you get one arm off while=20 swimming.  That is just the way I read it.  Did I read that = wrong or=20 could it be one of those coats that has the arms separate that tie on to = the=20 main part.  I have seen a coat like that somewhere, just can't = remember=20 where.
 
Monte Holder
Saline COunty Missouri
- ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C3F60F.D6B62730-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:02:43 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Speaking of books...James Clyman - --part1_11.22d1433d.2d658153_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/18/04 9:10:26 AM, sja028@mail.connect.more.net writes: >=20 > Did I read that wrong or could it be one of those coats that has the arms=20 > separate that tie on to the main part.=A0 I have seen a coat like that som= ewhere,=20 > just can't remember where. >=20 > =A0Naw.... I think what he meant was he pulled one arm "out" of the sleev= e to=20 > help swim.... don't know what kinda pistols he had, but I've got a Rev. Wa= r=20 > Officer's pistol (a flintlock) that would be correct for the period.... >=20 Magpie > - --part1_11.22d1433d.2d658153_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/18/04 9:10:26 AM, sja028@mail.connect.more.net writes:<= BR>


Did I read that wrong or could it be one of those coats that has the arms se= parate that tie on to the main part.=A0 I have seen a coat like that somewhe= re, just can't remember where.

=A0Naw.... I think what he meant was he pulled one arm "out" of the sleeve=20= to help swim.... don't know what kinda pistols he had, but I've got a Rev. W= ar Officer's pistol (a flintlock) that would be correct for the period....

Magpie
- --part1_11.22d1433d.2d658153_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:08 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that work? You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring it out and work it damp or what. I have no clue as to how you go about it....just know that rawhide shrinks after soaking. Any help, ideas, or just tell me I've got my head stuck in the sand. I need all the help I can get. Thanks in advance, Ben - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:46:28 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? Hi Ben, I've only made a couple of holsters, but rawhide is not the medium to use. You are right in that wet rawhide will shrink to form, but too closely for this purpose. Rawhide was the 'duct tape' of old days. Wrap something in wet rawhide, and it will have a near bullet proof wrap on it until it is soaked off. I use a thick piece of leather. I wet it, but not sloppy soaked. I grease up the gun good, wrapping in glad wrap is not a bad idea too. Then work the piece of leather around the pistol by hand. just keep the leather wrapped around the pistol and rub, and rub, by hand. once it gets close, squeeze the edges of leather in a vise, with the pistol in it, then after it has set some you can start punching holes for sewing. If you aren't used to working leather this may not mean much to you. I have a 'Percussion Pistol Pattern Pak', Tandy circa 1984. I tried to give it to a friend, but he died recently. It has a series of patterns for many different pistols, and accoutrements. For $5, (to cover postage) I'll send it to you. It is old, but unused. According to the description it fits: Walker colt, most 36 & 44 caliber percussion colts and replicas, Remington Models 1858 army & 1861 Navy, Lyman 44 & 36 , fit barrel length 5-9" , Military & hunting size powder flasks. Granted this is an old pattern, so doesn't include more modern repro's. It also has a pattern for a 'buscadero belt'. Let me know if you are interested. It's worth the $5, I'm just offering as a friendly gesture. Let me know. Yfab, Randy ps- If you want some more tips on rawhide, let me know,,, I've done lots of rawhide work. > [Original Message] > From: Ben > To: > Date: 2/18/04 7:08:30 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? > > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? > Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? > I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight > fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and > letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that > work? You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap > to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring > it out and work it damp or what. > I have no clue as to how you go about it....just know that rawhide shrinks > after soaking. > Any help, ideas, or just tell me I've got my head stuck in the sand. I need > all the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:48:20 -0800 From: "RP Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? > Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? Ben, That's how you use it. Just soak it, fit it to what you want and let it dry. You'll never be able to get it off again without soaking it again. > I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight > fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and > letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that > work? Yup, if you never want to access the pistol again. You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap > to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring > it out and work it damp or what. Soak it good, wring most of the water out, sew it in place and let it dry. And You would be better served to use leather that is intended for such a project than rawhide. You do the same thing, wet the leather so it will form to your pistol, cover the pistol with saran wrap and etc. Make it a close fit but too tight. Get it wet, slide the pistol in and let it dry. The leather can be oiled and etc. and you do need some flexibility in the pistols fit. I am pretty sure from my experiences with rawhide that you will not be satisfied with the results if you use it instead of leather. Just cause you got it is not a good reason to use it for the wrong thing. Rawhide will shrink up tight enough to keep most anything borken, together again. It was used for broken stock wrists for that very reason. Excellent field repair. Think of it as pc plastic or fiberglass. Just my best advice on the subject Ben. Hope it helps. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:08 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? > Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? > I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight > fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and > letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that > work? You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap > to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring > it out and work it damp or what. > I have no clue as to how you go about it....just know that rawhide shrinks > after soaking. > Any help, ideas, or just tell me I've got my head stuck in the sand. I need > all the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:17:43 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? Ben I have made scabbards for a knife out of rawhide and it worked a bit better than the two post prior made it sound but I have to agree that leather would probably work better. I got the fit on my scabbard just right for tightness and about the fifth time I used it, it got wet. It was just damp enough to allow it to reshape itself and I had to start all over again. Rawhide is neat stuff but it has its limitations. Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? > Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? > I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight > fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and > letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that > work? You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap > to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring > it out and work it damp or what. > I have no clue as to how you go about it....just know that rawhide shrinks > after soaking. > Any help, ideas, or just tell me I've got my head stuck in the sand. I need > all the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:10:04 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use it? > Do you soak it and form it to fit whatever you want to? > I just purchased a Traditions Colt 1851 Navy and want to make a tight > fitting holster for it and was thinking about using rawhide...wetting it and > letting it shrink to fit the exact contours of the revolver. Would that > work? You'd have to wrap the gun in glad wrap or some kind of plastic wrap > to keep the moisture away from it. Do you soak the rawhide good, then wring > it out and work it damp or what. > I have no clue as to how you go about it....just know that rawhide shrinks > after soaking. > Any help, ideas, or just tell me I've got my head stuck in the sand. I need > all the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Do not use rawhide for a pistol holster, wet latigo or skirting leather, wrap pistol in plastic bag before inserting into holster. Leave for several days. Joe - -- Visit our web page absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for details on our custom tanning 307-455-2440 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:16:28 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: rawhide.....how do you use it? - --part1_11f.2af003ea.2d66577c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 02/18/2004 10:03:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes: > > Hello the camp...got a question about using rawhide. How do you use > it? > Ben - it depends on what you want to use if for. Securing heads on stone axes and repairing broken wrists on stocks is one thing where you use the "shrink factor". Another is for making tuff, but somewhat flexible containers like parfleches and knife sheaths, or moccasin soles. For these purposes you put it on a frame (wet) and and stretch it as you would in tanning a hide. Or you may nail it down - either way it stretches (and later shrinks) and dries flat. Reginald Laubin showed me how you put it on thick, dry grass (or a piece of carpet) and strike it glancing blows with the poll of an axe. You will see it go from translucent to opaque as the fibers separate. It is similar to throwing a rock on a frozen pond when the ice is too thick to break - it turns "white" at the area of impact. Anyway, when you get this opaqueness started, keep making strikes along the edge but directed into the worked areas until the whole piece is about the color of a white horn. It is still tough, but somewhat flexible. I have an original knife sheath (probably northern Shoshone) that is made of rawhide this way and then beaded. The needles for the beading pass all the way through the rawhide (awl holes, actually. it is beaded with sinue). No way do you bead unworked rawhide. My Grandmother told me that in their cabin west of Bear Lake in the 1800s, it was common to use brown paper that had been greased as a substitute for window glass. The grease made it translucent so light would pass through. She said they would make a little three-corner tear in one corner so they could lift the flap and look out. Then she told me they could do the same thing with a stretched, thin deer rawhide. I had a friend who wanted rawhide moccasin soles. He wet the rawhide to stitch it and to be able to turn the moccasin from inside out to right side out when finished. So far so good - until they shrank. The went from size 11 to size little. Bad because it was late fall and we were on an AMM outing 300 miles from home. Plan ahead. Hope this helps. Richard James - --part1_11f.2af003ea.2d66577c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 02/18/2= 004 10:03:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:


>   Hello the camp= ...got a question about using rawhide.  How do you use it?


Ben - it depends on what you want to use if for.  Securin= g heads on stone axes and repairing broken wrists on stocks is one thing whe= re you use the "shrink factor".  Another is for making tuff, but somewh= at flexible containers like parfleches and knife sheaths, or moccasin soles.=   For these purposes you put it on a frame (wet) and and stretch it as=20= you would in tanning a hide.  Or you may nail it down - either way it s= tretches (and later shrinks) and dries flat.  Reginald Laubin showed me= how you put it on thick, dry grass (or a piece of carpet) and strike it gla= ncing blows with the poll of an axe.  You will see it go from transluce= nt to opaque as the fibers separate.  It is similar to throwing a rock=20= on a frozen pond when the ice is too thick to break - it turns "white" at th= e area of impact.  Anyway, when you get this opaqueness started, keep m= aking strikes along the edge but directed into the worked areas until the wh= ole piece is about the color of a white horn.  It is still tough, but s= omewhat flexible.  I have an original knife sheath (probably northern S= hoshone) that is made of rawhide this way and then beaded.&nbs= p; The needles for the beading pass all the way through the rawhide (awl hol= es, actually.  it is beaded with sinue).  No way do you bead unwor= ked rawhide. 

My Grandmother told me that in their cabin west of Bear Lake in the 1800s, i= t was common to use brown paper that had been greased as a substitute for wi= ndow glass.  The grease made it translucent so light would  pass t= hrough.  She said they would make a little three-corner tear in one cor= ner so they could lift the flap and look out.  Then she told me they co= uld do the same thing with a stretched, thin deer rawhide.

I had a friend who wanted rawhide moccasin soles.  He wet the rawhide t= o stitch it and to be able to turn the moccasin from inside out to right sid= e out when finished.  So far so good - until they shrank.  The wen= t from size 11 to size little.  Bad because it was late fall and we wer= e on an AMM outing 300 miles from home.  Plan ahead.

Hope this helps.

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