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- --------------F0B6D69DAD1A3066C00C5C43-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:28:06 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors Lanney Roux, Don't ye go wandering around the shinin mountains leaving body parts laying around fer me to go tripping over next year. That would be very inconsiderate of ye. Pendleton - -----Original Message----- From: Ratcliff To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 5:43 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors Buck Might ye be bringing these items among your trading plunder at the RDV in June? I have shaved my beard (but kept the moustaches) and I might be interested in a purchase. That story about the cut finger doesn't faze me much....I once cut the end of my nose with a safety razor. No telling what I might have done with a straight razor. On second thought maybe I should grow the beard back and not take any chances. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors > I am waiting on supplies for period straight razors, tin shaving mugs, brushes and soap, along with sharping stones and strops. > > Hope to have within a few weeks according two three suppliers, will then know the exact prices. > > Buck Conner > dba/ Clark & Son Mercantile > http://www.teleport.com/~walking/calrk/ > > ______________________________________________ > > On Thu, 20 May 1999, George Noe wrote: > > > > Mick: > > Here in South Central Oklahoma, Many of the antique/collectible > > stores, you can buy folding straight razors. some have bone, horn, or > > tortise shell handles. Range from $15-$50.(reltively hard to find but > > might ask the dealer to watch for one) > > George > > --- The Sweeneys wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello camp, > > > > > > Does anyone know of a trader that sells > > > authentic shaving kits for the > > > 1800-1840 period? I know Dixie sells razors,but they > > > have plastic handles. > > > Nothing a fresh shave on those long treks to lift > > > yer spirits.....Thanks in > > > advance for any info. > > > > > > Mick > > > Sierra Foothills > > > > > > > > > > === > > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:00:21 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors God forbid that. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: larry pendleton To: Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 12:28 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors > Lanney Roux, > Don't ye go wandering around the shinin mountains leaving body parts > laying around fer me to go tripping over next year. That would be = very > inconsiderate of ye. > Pendleton > -----Original Message----- > From: Ratcliff > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors >=20 >=20 > Buck > Might ye be bringing these items among your trading plunder at the RDV = in > June? I have shaved my beard (but kept the moustaches) and I might be > interested in a purchase. That story about the cut finger doesn't = faze me > much....I once cut the end of my nose with a safety razor. No telling = what > I might have done with a straight razor. On second thought maybe I = should > grow the beard back and not take any chances. > Lanney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Razors >=20 >=20 > > I am waiting on supplies for period straight razors, tin shaving = mugs, > brushes and soap, along with sharping stones and strops. > > > > Hope to have within a few weeks according two three suppliers, will = then > know the exact prices. > > > > Buck Conner > > dba/ Clark & Son Mercantile > > http://www.teleport.com/~walking/calrk/ > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > On Thu, 20 May 1999, George Noe wrote: > > > > > > Mick: > > > Here in South Central Oklahoma, Many of the antique/collectible > > > stores, you can buy folding straight razors. some have bone, horn, = or > > > tortise shell handles. Range from $15-$50.(reltively hard to find = but > > > might ask the dealer to watch for one) > > > George > > > --- The Sweeneys wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello camp, > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a trader that sells > > > > authentic shaving kits for the > > > > 1800-1840 period? I know Dixie sells razors,but they > > > > have plastic handles. > > > > Nothing a fresh shave on those long treks to lift > > > > yer spirits.....Thanks in > > > > advance for any info. > > > > > > > > Mick > > > > Sierra Foothills > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 > W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > > > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account = http://www.uswestmail.net > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Mtman-List: Shaving Advice from an Ancient One " Ye shall not mar [shave off] the corners of thy beard " --- Moses (Ancient Mountain Men #0002) Leviticus 19:27; 21:5. [KJV] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI) Subject: MtMan-List: Mtman-List: August 1862 Sioux Uprising in Minnesota The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 5, pages 542-543 (Roy P. Basler, editor, Rutgers University Press, 1953), shows the transcript of the Presidential Order dated Executive Mansion, Washington, Dec.6, 1862 that authorized the executions for Dec.19. Lists the phonetic spelling of the names of the 39 condemned. President Lincoln had also mentioned "this Indian war" previously in his Dec.1 Annual Message to Congress (pages 525-526) noting "that from different sources ... a simultaneous attack was to be made upon the white settlements by all the tribes between the Mississippi river and the Rocky mountains". ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 1999 09:58:32 -0700 From: Subject: MtMan-List: National Treasure for sale. Dear Editor, historical buff and reenacter, I wanted to bring this to you and your readers attention, as a part of our history may be sold and will never be available again as it is now. If you read this short article of my area history, and your history too, no matter your location if you live in America you should be concerned about this battle site. We have been trying to make everyone aware of the possible sale of a national treasure, have had little to no responce from our elected officials. Thank you Buck Conner ________________________________________________ THE PAOLI MASSACRE, WAS IT A MASSACRE ? by Buck Conner AMM Baker Party Colorado When friends find I had family at this site, they ask why was it called a "Massacre". Probably one reason this event was called a "Massacre", was the people murdered while sleeping in their blankets, not trained military personnel or not skilled in war, as were the men that did the deed. The largest part of them were local farmers and merchants that should have stayed home according to many of the local historians of this area. They were out classed by a long ways, compared to trained and field harden troops. My family owned a small farm next door to the Malvern Memorial Grounds (Paoli Massacre site) before and up until around 1937, at which time my father sold all but one acre of the original farm. There was where I was born, in the new stone house he built with the funds gotten from the sale of the farm. The family told us stories of this event when we were growing up of a one sided fight, of a young hot headed family member, that was stabbed while asleep in the barn some 400-500 yards away from the battle site and the family's claim that a known local "TORY" had done the deed, then bragged of it several weeks later in Berwyn, Pa., about 12 miles away. Friends of my family came to their aid as they were German Amish and wouldn't fight, caught the Tory weeks later and hung him from the same barn the family member was murdered in. The story goes, that one of the group cut off the Tory's male organs and placed them in his mouth for all to see and a warning what would happen to other Tories in the area. (not new to WW II, as told in school). My great Grand Father took great pride in telling us about this (we were about 4 or 5 years old at the time), and "how the body hung as a reminder to all, for several weeks or till the smell was more than they could handle." After the Paoli Massacre, General A. Wayne's aquired a new name (Mad Anthony Wayne), came about for action he took in fighting the British at Germantown, Pa., where he found them sleeping and burned them alive, those coming out of the fire were shot. I read one account that after the fight, General Washington sent him to the western frontier (NW Pa.). He was now not to be considered a Gentlemen for his actions in war! ________________________________ PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF A HISTORICAL SITE IN DANGER Save the Paoli Massacre Site Detail, "Battle of Paoli" by Xavier Della Gatta, 1782 On the night of September 20-21, 1777, in what is now the Borough of Malvern, Chester County, Pennsylvania, American soldiers under the command of Brigadier General Anthony Wayne were attacked and put to the bayonet by British soldiers under the command of Major General Charles Grey. As you may be aware, it was at this site that 53 of our first soldiers paid the highest price possible for the privilege of being called an American. For reasons that have been lost in history, these brave soldiers were not buried on the field of honor, but dragged across the property line and buried in what is now called The Paoli Memorial Grounds, although the site has always been revered locally, it has never received the national recognition it deserves because it has always been separated from the main part of the original battlefield. It is now possible that this can change! The borough of Malvern has been approached by the Malvern Preparatory School about the possibility of purchasing the property and creating a single historic park consisting of the 40-acre battlefield and the contiguous 22-acre Memorial Ground. Should this come to pass, for the first time in history, the battlefield where these men fought and died and the Sacred Ground where they are buried will become one. The director of the Bureau for Historic Places recently has made a determination of eligibility for this site to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This is expected to happen within a year. The price quoted by the Malvern Preparatory School for the property is two and a half million dollars. The question is, "where does a small town of 2,944 people get that kind of money?" The answer is that many patriotic persons raise the funds necessary to purchase the battlefield and place it in the Public Trust for permanent preservation and maintenance. The name of the corporation is "Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust." Remember the young men who fought and died at this location were our first volunteers and our first veterans. What they did and where they did it need to be preserved and maintained as Hallowed Ground by and for the citizens for which they made their sacrifice. If you can help to make this happen, please contact Pat McGuigan, Borough Manager at (610) 644-2602, or send a contribution to: Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust c/o Borough of Malvern Box 437 Malvern, PA 19355 Thank you for taking the time to read this and special thanks to the Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust for letting us know of their needs. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 1999 10:19:44 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: National Treasure for sale. Hey Buck, Thanks for the information, I'll take it to my VFW and a Vietnam group I belong to, know they'll be interested as will others. Thanks again. Turtle. PS Hell, I live in NW PA and hadn't heard about them wanting to sell the property, was there a few years ago, pretty moving. __________________________________________ > On Sun, 23 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Dear Editor, historical buff and reenacter, > > I wanted to bring this to you and your readers attention, as a part of our history may be sold and will never be available again as it is now. > > If you read this short article of my area history, and your history too, no matter your location if you live in America you should be concerned about this battle site. > > We have been trying to make everyone aware of the possible sale of a national treasure, have had little to no responce from our elected officials. > > Thank you > > Buck Conner > ________________________________________________ > THE PAOLI MASSACRE, WAS IT A MASSACRE ? > by Buck Conner > AMM Baker Party Colorado > > When friends find I had family at this site, they ask why was it called a "Massacre". Probably one reason this event was called a "Massacre", was the people murdered while sleeping in their blankets, not trained military personnel or not skilled in war, as were the men that did the deed. The largest part of them were local farmers and > merchants that should have stayed home according to many of the local historians of this area. They were out classed by a long ways, compared to trained and field harden troops. > > My family owned a small farm next door to the Malvern Memorial Grounds (Paoli Massacre site) before and up > until around 1937, at which time my father sold all but one acre of the original farm. > > There was where I was born, in the new stone house he built with the funds gotten from the sale of the farm. > > The family told us stories of this event when we were growing up of a one sided fight, of a young hot headed family member, that was stabbed while asleep in the barn some 400-500 yards away from the battle site and the family's claim that a known local "TORY" had done the deed, then bragged of it several weeks later in Berwyn, Pa., about 12 miles away. > > Friends of my family came to their aid as they were German Amish and wouldn't fight, caught the Tory weeks later and hung him from the same barn the family member was murdered in. The story goes, that one of the group cut off the Tory's male organs and placed them in his mouth for all to see and a warning what would happen to > other Tories in the area. (not new to WW II, as told in school). > > My great Grand Father took great pride in telling us about this (we were about 4 or 5 years old at the time), and "how the body hung as a reminder to all, for several weeks or till the smell was more than they could handle." > > After the Paoli Massacre, General A. Wayne's aquired a new name (Mad Anthony Wayne), came about for action he took in fighting the British at Germantown, Pa., where he found them sleeping and burned them alive, those coming out of the fire were shot. I read one account that after the fight, General Washington sent him to the western frontier (NW Pa.). He was now not to be considered a Gentlemen for his actions in war! > > ________________________________ > PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF A HISTORICAL SITE IN DANGER > > Save the Paoli Massacre Site Detail, "Battle of Paoli" by Xavier Della Gatta, 1782 On the night of September 20-21, 1777, in what is now the Borough of Malvern, Chester County, Pennsylvania, > American soldiers under the command of Brigadier General Anthony Wayne were attacked and put to the bayonet by British soldiers under the command of Major General Charles Grey. > > As you may be aware, it was at this site that 53 of our first soldiers paid the highest price possible for the privilege of being called an American. > > For reasons that have been lost in history, these brave soldiers were not buried on the field of honor, but dragged across the property line and buried in what is now called The Paoli Memorial Grounds, although the site has always been revered locally, it has never received the national recognition it deserves because it has always been separated from the main part of the original battlefield. > It is now possible that this can change! > > The borough of Malvern has been approached by the Malvern Preparatory School about the possibility of purchasing the property and creating a single historic park consisting of the 40-acre battlefield and the contiguous 22-acre Memorial Ground. > > Should this come to pass, for the first time in history, the battlefield where these men fought and died and the Sacred Ground where they are buried will become one. > > The director of the Bureau for Historic Places recently has made a determination of eligibility for this site to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This is expected to happen within a year. > > The price quoted by the Malvern Preparatory School for the property is two and a half million dollars. The question is, "where does a small town of 2,944 people get that kind of money?" The answer is that many patriotic persons raise the funds necessary to purchase the battlefield and place it in the Public Trust for permanent preservation and maintenance. > > The name of the corporation is "Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust." > Remember the young men who fought and died at this location were our first volunteers and our first veterans. > > What they did and where they did it need to be preserved and maintained as Hallowed Ground by and for the citizens for which they made their sacrifice. > > If you can help to make this happen, please contact Pat McGuigan, Borough Manager at (610) 644-2602, or send a contribution to: > > Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust > c/o Borough of Malvern > Box 437 > Malvern, PA 19355 > > Thank you for taking the time to read this and special thanks to the Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust for letting us know of their needs. > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 1999 13:39:45 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: National Treasure for sale. Thanks for the information, remember reading about this site and Wayne getting down and dirty after loosing his men, that's enought to make any leader go to extremes. I'll give this information to my VFW Post and the local paper, better news than hearing who slick willy took advantage. Where are our leaders heads at, to leave this site slip throw their fingers, and the veterans groups, just like Wayne's home - when the Japs brought it a few years ago. Powder Hawk Iowa Terrritory _________________ > On Sun, 23 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Hey Buck, > Thanks for the information, I'll take it to my VFW and a Vietnam group I belong to, know they'll be interested as will others. > Thanks again. > Turtle. > > PS > Hell, I live in NW PA and hadn't heard about them wanting to sell the property, was there a few years ago, pretty moving. > > __________________________________________ > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > > > Dear Editor, historical buff and reenacter, > > > > I wanted to bring this to you and your readers attention, as a part of our history may be sold and will never be available again as it is now. > > > > If you read this short article of my area history, and your history too, no matter your location if you live in America you should be concerned about this battle site. > > > > We have been trying to make everyone aware of the possible sale of a national treasure, have had little to no responce from our elected officials. > > > > Thank you > > > > Buck Conner > > ________________________________________________ > > THE PAOLI MASSACRE, WAS IT A MASSACRE ? > > by Buck Conner > > AMM Baker Party Colorado > > > > When friends find I had family at this site, they ask why was it called a "Massacre". Probably one reason this event was called a "Massacre", was the people murdered while sleeping in their blankets, not trained military personnel or not skilled in war, as were the men that did the deed. The largest part of them were local farmers and > > merchants that should have stayed home according to many of the local historians of this area. They were out classed by a long ways, compared to trained and field harden troops. > > > > My family owned a small farm next door to the Malvern Memorial Grounds (Paoli Massacre site) before and up > > until around 1937, at which time my father sold all but one acre of the original farm. > > > > There was where I was born, in the new stone house he built with the funds gotten from the sale of the farm. > > > > The family told us stories of this event when we were growing up of a one sided fight, of a young hot headed family member, that was stabbed while asleep in the barn some 400-500 yards away from the battle site and the family's claim that a known local "TORY" had done the deed, then bragged of it several weeks later in Berwyn, Pa., about 12 miles away. > > > > Friends of my family came to their aid as they were German Amish and wouldn't fight, caught the Tory weeks later and hung him from the same barn the family member was murdered in. The story goes, that one of the group cut off the Tory's male organs and placed them in his mouth for all to see and a warning what would happen to > > other Tories in the area. (not new to WW II, as told in school). > > > > My great Grand Father took great pride in telling us about this (we were about 4 or 5 years old at the time), and "how the body hung as a reminder to all, for several weeks or till the smell was more than they could handle." > > > > After the Paoli Massacre, General A. Wayne's aquired a new name (Mad Anthony Wayne), came about for action he took in fighting the British at Germantown, Pa., where he found them sleeping and burned them alive, those coming out of the fire were shot. I read one account that after the fight, General Washington sent him to the western frontier (NW Pa.). He was now not to be considered a Gentlemen for his actions in war! > > > > ________________________________ > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF A HISTORICAL SITE IN DANGER > > > > Save the Paoli Massacre Site Detail, "Battle of Paoli" by Xavier Della Gatta, 1782 On the night of September 20-21, 1777, in what is now the Borough of Malvern, Chester County, Pennsylvania, > > American soldiers under the command of Brigadier General Anthony Wayne were attacked and put to the bayonet by British soldiers under the command of Major General Charles Grey. > > > > As you may be aware, it was at this site that 53 of our first soldiers paid the highest price possible for the privilege of being called an American. > > > > For reasons that have been lost in history, these brave soldiers were not buried on the field of honor, but dragged across the property line and buried in what is now called The Paoli Memorial Grounds, although the site has always been revered locally, it has never received the national recognition it deserves because it has always been separated from the main part of the original battlefield. > > It is now possible that this can change! > > > > The borough of Malvern has been approached by the Malvern Preparatory School about the possibility of purchasing the property and creating a single historic park consisting of the 40-acre battlefield and the contiguous 22-acre Memorial Ground. > > > > Should this come to pass, for the first time in history, the battlefield where these men fought and died and the Sacred Ground where they are buried will become one. > > > > The director of the Bureau for Historic Places recently has made a determination of eligibility for this site to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This is expected to happen within a year. > > > > The price quoted by the Malvern Preparatory School for the property is two and a half million dollars. The question is, "where does a small town of 2,944 people get that kind of money?" The answer is that many patriotic persons raise the funds necessary to purchase the battlefield and place it in the Public Trust for permanent preservation and maintenance. > > > > The name of the corporation is "Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust." > > Remember the young men who fought and died at this location were our first volunteers and our first veterans. > > > > What they did and where they did it need to be preserved and maintained as Hallowed Ground by and for the citizens for which they made their sacrifice. > > > > If you can help to make this happen, please contact Pat McGuigan, Borough Manager at (610) 644-2602, or send a contribution to: > > > > Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust > > c/o Borough of Malvern > > Box 437 > > Malvern, PA 19355 > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this and special thanks to the Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust for letting us know of their needs. > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 1999 15:45:45 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: National Treasure for sale. Thanks for the help, the more we let folks know the more pressure could be put on someone or some group to carry the ball. I've written to the VA, VFW and a number of officals of government. I always questioned where Anthony Wayne got the name MAD, (he had a coat that when worn inside out looked like a British Officer's coat, normal side was that of an American Officer). Right after the Paoli affair he escaped marching a group of British Regulars out of Malvern and was called crazy (mad) at that time for such a daring feat. At Germantown a short period later after Paoli, he and his men surround an encampment of British Regulars settled in for the night, they collected lamp oil and any oil that would burn. Soaked the outer edges around the camp and then started a circle of fire. Anyone coming out of the circle of fire was shot according to several accounts, those remaining died a terrible death. That's when Washington sent him and the men involved to the western frontier, no longer considered gentlemen. Sounded like a good plan to me, at least Wayne could win battles, that's more than Washington could say on most of his engagements. Later Buck conner dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ _________________________________________ > On Sun, 23 May 1999, powderhawk@uswestmail.net wrote: > > Thanks for the information, remember reading about this site and Wayne getting down and dirty after loosing his men, that's enought to make any leader go to extremes. > > I'll give this information to my VFW Post and the local paper, better news than hearing who slick willy took advantage. > > Where are our leaders heads at, to leave this site slip throw their fingers, and the veterans groups, just like Wayne's home - when the Japs brought it a few years ago. > > Powder Hawk > Iowa Terrritory > _________________ > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote: > > > > Hey Buck, > > Thanks for the information, I'll take it to my VFW and a Vietnam group I belong to, know they'll be interested as will others. > > Thanks again. > > Turtle. > > > > PS > > Hell, I live in NW PA and hadn't heard about them wanting to sell the property, was there a few years ago, pretty moving. > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > > > > > > Dear Editor, historical buff and reenacter, > > > > > > I wanted to bring this to you and your readers attention, as a part of our history may be sold and will never be available again as it is now. > > > > > > If you read this short article of my area history, and your history too, no matter your location if you live in America you should be concerned about this battle site. > > > > > > We have been trying to make everyone aware of the possible sale of a national treasure, have had little to no responce from our elected officials. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Buck Conner > > > ________________________________________________ > > > THE PAOLI MASSACRE, WAS IT A MASSACRE ? > > > by Buck Conner > > > AMM Baker Party Colorado > > > > > > When friends find I had family at this site, they ask why was it called a "Massacre". Probably one reason this event was called a "Massacre", was the people murdered while sleeping in their blankets, not trained military personnel or not skilled in war, as were the men that did the deed. The largest part of them were local farmers and > > > merchants that should have stayed home according to many of the local historians of this area. They were out classed by a long ways, compared to trained and field harden troops. > > > > > > My family owned a small farm next door to the Malvern Memorial Grounds (Paoli Massacre site) before and up > > > until around 1937, at which time my father sold all but one acre of the original farm. > > > > > > There was where I was born, in the new stone house he built with the funds gotten from the sale of the farm. > > > > > > The family told us stories of this event when we were growing up of a one sided fight, of a young hot headed family member, that was stabbed while asleep in the barn some 400-500 yards away from the battle site and the family's claim that a known local "TORY" had done the deed, then bragged of it several weeks later in Berwyn, Pa., about 12 miles away. > > > > > > Friends of my family came to their aid as they were German Amish and wouldn't fight, caught the Tory weeks later and hung him from the same barn the family member was murdered in. The story goes, that one of the group cut off the Tory's male organs and placed them in his mouth for all to see and a warning what would happen to > > > other Tories in the area. (not new to WW II, as told in school). > > > > > > My great Grand Father took great pride in telling us about this (we were about 4 or 5 years old at the time), and "how the body hung as a reminder to all, for several weeks or till the smell was more than they could handle." > > > > > > After the Paoli Massacre, General A. Wayne's aquired a new name (Mad Anthony Wayne), came about for action he took in fighting the British at Germantown, Pa., where he found them sleeping and burned them alive, those coming out of the fire were shot. I read one account that after the fight, General Washington sent him to the western frontier (NW Pa.). He was now not to be considered a Gentlemen for his actions in war! > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF A HISTORICAL SITE IN DANGER > > > > > > Save the Paoli Massacre Site Detail, "Battle of Paoli" by Xavier Della Gatta, 1782 On the night of September 20-21, 1777, in what is now the Borough of Malvern, Chester County, Pennsylvania, > > > American soldiers under the command of Brigadier General Anthony Wayne were attacked and put to the bayonet by British soldiers under the command of Major General Charles Grey. > > > > > > As you may be aware, it was at this site that 53 of our first soldiers paid the highest price possible for the privilege of being called an American. > > > > > > For reasons that have been lost in history, these brave soldiers were not buried on the field of honor, but dragged across the property line and buried in what is now called The Paoli Memorial Grounds, although the site has always been revered locally, it has never received the national recognition it deserves because it has always been separated from the main part of the original battlefield. > > > It is now possible that this can change! > > > > > > The borough of Malvern has been approached by the Malvern Preparatory School about the possibility of purchasing the property and creating a single historic park consisting of the 40-acre battlefield and the contiguous 22-acre Memorial Ground. > > > > > > Should this come to pass, for the first time in history, the battlefield where these men fought and died and the Sacred Ground where they are buried will become one. > > > > > > The director of the Bureau for Historic Places recently has made a determination of eligibility for this site to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This is expected to happen within a year. > > > > > > The price quoted by the Malvern Preparatory School for the property is two and a half million dollars. The question is, "where does a small town of 2,944 people get that kind of money?" The answer is that many patriotic persons raise the funds necessary to purchase the battlefield and place it in the Public Trust for permanent preservation and maintenance. > > > > > > The name of the corporation is "Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust." > > > Remember the young men who fought and died at this location were our first volunteers and our first veterans. > > > > > > What they did and where they did it need to be preserved and maintained as Hallowed Ground by and for the citizens for which they made their sacrifice. > > > > > > If you can help to make this happen, please contact Pat McGuigan, Borough Manager at (610) 644-2602, or send a contribution to: > > > > > > Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust > > > c/o Borough of Malvern > > > Box 437 > > > Malvern, PA 19355 > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this and special thanks to the Paoli Battlefield Preservation Trust for letting us know of their needs. > > > > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > > > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net > > > Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:38:11 -0700 From: "Sidney Porter" Subject: MtMan-List: You know you're in Texas when... (off topic, but I couldn't resist) For anyone who has never been to Texas in the summer, the first section of this is so true that it makes me want to leave now, before summer gets here. The rest is more tongue-in-cheek. You no longer associate bridges (or rivers) with water... You can say 110 degrees without fainting... You eat hot chilies to cool your mouth off... You can make instant sun tea... You learn that a seat belt makes a pretty good branding iron... The temperature drops below 95, you feel a bit chilly... You discover that in July, it takes only 2 fingers to drive your car... You discover that you can get a sunburn through your car window... You notice the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance... Hot water now comes out of both taps... It's noon in July, kids are on summer vacation, and not one person is out on the streets... You actually burn your hand opening the car door... You break a sweat the instant you step outside...at 7:30 a.m. before work... No one would dream of putting vinyl upholstery in a car or not having air conditioning... Your biggest bicycle wreck fear is,"What if I get knocked out and end up lying on the pavement and cook to death"?... You realize that asphalt has a liquid state... It's so hot in Texas ...... The birds have to use pot holders to pull worms out of the ground. The potatoes cook underground and all you have to do to have lunch is to pull one out and add butter, salt and pepper. Farmers are feeding their chickens crushed ice to keep them from laying hard boiled eggs. It's so dry in Texas... The cows are giving evaporated milk and the trees are whistling' for the dogs. A sad Texan once prayed, "I wish it would rain - not so much for me cuz I've seen it - but for my 7-year-old." A visitor to Texas once asked, "Does it ever rain out here?" A rancher quickly answered "Yes, it does. Do you remember that part in the Bible where it rained for 40 days and 40 nights? The visitor replied, "Yes, I'm familiar with Noah's flood." "Well,"the rancher puffed up, we got bout two and a half inches during that spell." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:00 -0700 From: "landis" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: turtle shells This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA601.B11E8CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - -----Original Message----- From: landis To: mountain men Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:18 PM Subject: turtle shells Does anyone know where I might get a turtle shell in about the 8" or = 10" size. It is nedded to make a pouch kind of thingy to carry goods in.any info = will help. = Thank You Adam - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA601.B11E8CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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