From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #395 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, October 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 395 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous tape -       MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil -       Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: Alafia 2000 -       Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil -       MtMan-List: animal parts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil -       Re: MtMan-List: animal parts -       Re: MtMan-List: animal parts -       MtMan-List: Re: Rendezvous tape -       MtMan-List: Fur Trade Movies -       MtMan-List: documentaries -       RE: MtMan-List: documentaries -       Re: MtMan-List: documentaries -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:13:31 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous tape I have a really good photo of Doc and Hawk stored on my hard drive. I = would gladly forward the photo (jpg) to anyone who wishes to see it. = Can't post it to the list as it eats up too much........electrical = stuff. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John C. Funk, Jr. To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 2:18 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rendezvous tape > Joe, > I'll be seeing the two of main players in a week for a hunting trip in = the > Missouri Breaks. Scott "Doc Ivory" Olson and Rich "Hawk" Hurst were = the two > main thespians I speak of. Both prime men, fair and true, of the = Upper > Missouri Outfit. I'll forward your good words. I know they'll take = high of > them. > John Funk >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Brandl > To: > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 9:58 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Rendezvous tape >=20 >=20 > > I just watched "The spirit of Rendezvous" Produced by Reel West > > Pictures. After being away from the Rendezvous for about 4 years. My > > entire family is excited to to go again, minus the trade tent. If = you > > want a very well produced video that is a treat to watch, buy this. > > You want to show the relatives just what the heck you do for fun, > > show them this video. Besides some lengthy portions of certain > > scenes, I thought it was quite good and entertaining. All the > > characters did well. The primary outfits were great, better then the > > PBS documentary. Overall, you will have fun recognizing your = friends, > > the music, the atmosphere, the spirit of Rendezvous. A great gift I > > think. > > > > Call or write to: > > Leo Hakola > > Box 7 > > La Barge, WY 83123 > > 307-386-9216 > > Check out our web site at: > www.wy-biz.com/absarokawesterndesigns/index.html > > Try our great Home Tanning Kit for $39.95, based on 20 years of = tanning > > Rawhide lampshades, buffalo hides, lodgepole furniture, furs & = leather > > Give us a call? > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:57:52 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: making good coffee Hello the list, Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got a new pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of the "brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:19:35 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil For those who may be new to this list I will repeat, the others have heard this several times before. The BEST substitute for sperm whale oil is Jojoba Oil. It is legal, available and derived from desert plants. There is no need or good reason to seek out sperm oil. Pressed plant oils are well within our period I haven't yet found jojoba mentioned in the period. It is a= reasonable concession to exact authenticity because of when we live. It is a very reasonable approximation. It is slippery stuff. I like it better than any of the petroleum products labeled to our purposes. =20 Use it on fine machines like a clocks, sewing machines or a treadle lathe;= or to lube a sticky jack-knife bolster. Excellent in a lock seldom requires refreshing, protects from rust, doesn't wear off easily through handling.=20 Clings well in light coats and stays liquid over long periods and changing climatic conditions. Just what you want an oil to do, about as well as= sperm oil does. John... At 07:20 PM 10/25/99 +0000, you wrote: >After further research and telephone conferences with officials at the U.S. >Fish and Wildlife Service Management Office in Arlington, Virginia, and the >National Marine Fisheries Service, I have the following to report as= regards >the question raised about sperm whale oil. > >Contrary to what I previously reported, the Sperm Whale has been on the >Endangered Species list since June, 1969.=A0 While that act prohibits >"interstate or foreign commerce" in endangered species (or parts thereof), >"intrastate commercial activities ...... that take place entirely within= one >State by State residents are not prohibited by the Act."=A0 However, each >State may have specific laws that would make such an activity illegal in >that particular State. > >Therefore, at first blush, even sales of Sperm Whale oil, in intrastate and >not interstate commerce, would appear to be legal in some States. > >However, relying on that Act does not tell the entire tale. > >The National Marine Fisheries Service has specific jurisdiction over= certain >species, to include whales and seals.=A0 The provisions of the statutes= they >administer would permit possession, intrastate, of Sperm Whale oil, but not >if it were part of interstate commerce.=A0 Further, while someone can give= you >the oil, if they are a resident of the State in which you reside, they can >not sell it to you nor may you purchase it.=A0 Unlike legal scrimshaw,= which I >gather can be sold, whale oil is outside of this exception. > >Additionally, you still face the dilemma of possibly having to prove when >the oil was originally brought into your State. > >In short, if someone in your State gives you some oil, fine.=A0 Just do not >make a major production of it.=A0 And do not exhibit it commercially (you= know >we all charge admission to our living rooms so folks can view our >collections of neat and exotic collectibles) or you will be in violation of >the law. > >This is a very shorthand and simplistic answer to the question first= raised, >but I am convinced that it is accurate. > >Moral:=A0 Leave Moby Dick, parts and all, alone. > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:44:00 -0400 From: ad.miller@mindspring.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee >Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got a new >pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of the >"brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... > >Steve I do it one of three ways.... One is cheating... use the Maxwell House coffee pouches... takes about 3 packs to make a medium sized pot. Or.... you can use muslin coffee bags... my wife makes them about 5" long and 3" wide with a draw string in the top. I pretty much fill that with coffee for the 16 cup pot.... and use 2 for the BIG camp pot... Or... you can just guestimate the amount you need and toss it in the pot to boil... I like the bags or pouches myself... I hate eating "snuff" with my coffee... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:36:51 -0400 From: sabella3@earthlink.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Alafia 2000 hmmm, I read an article in the Tampa Tribune some weeks past, that had the club leasing a piece of land just off I-4 east of Lakeland...with a 10 yr lease. The article claimed it would be there next january... can someone verify... anne macdonnald ad.miller@mindspring.com wrote: > Several people have asked me the dates for the Alafia 2000 Ronnyvous... here > they are.... > > Same place as last year, 15 - 23 January, with early setup starting on 12 > January. > > The web address for them is: http://home1.gte.net/fatboy39/index.htm > > Hope to see all of you there... remember... look for the Mouse House and > come have a sit down.... :) > > Ad Miller > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:44:50 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee Steve, Grind two heaping handfuls of beans for each quart of water. Bring water to a boil. Add coffee, stir in. Set the boiler back on the fire just until it comes back to a boil and set aside a few minutes to steep. A green twig on top or a dash of cold water helps settle the grounds. If you have eggs to waste they can be used, or so I've heard. Or just keep adding coffee and water to the same pot, keeping it well topped off alongside the fire. Which is what I do after the first pot in camp. Empty out when hitting the trail and start fresh next camp. In about 3 days the coffee starts getting real good. If it don't chew, it ain't good coffee. John... At 10:57 PM 10/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hello the list, > >Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got a new >pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of the >"brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... > >Steve > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:11:16 -0500 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee Washtahay- At 10:57 PM 10/25/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hello the list, > >Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got a new >pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of the >"brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... Decent beans, freshly roasted and coarse ground. A CLEAN coffee pot. FRESH water. Bring the water to a rolling boil. Remove from heat. Add 1 tablespoon of grounds per cup, plus one for the pot. DO NOT BOIL AGAIN. Let it sit near the fire (to reduce heat loss) for about ten minutes. Add about a half cup cold water to settle the grounds. Drink. LongWalker c. du B. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:45:29 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee I concur with those directions exactly, with this addition. When you = pour the coffee be careful not to agitate the coffee in the pot more = than necessary... this will keep the grounds settled out in the botton = of the pot and minimize the grounds in your cup. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Colburn To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 11:11 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee > Washtahay- > At 10:57 PM 10/25/99 EDT, you wrote: > >Hello the list, > > > >Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got = a new=20 > >pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of = the=20 > >"brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... > Decent beans, freshly roasted and coarse ground. A CLEAN coffee pot. > FRESH water. =20 > Bring the water to a rolling boil. Remove from heat. Add 1 = tablespoon of > grounds per cup, plus one for the pot. DO NOT BOIL AGAIN. Let it sit = near > the fire (to reduce heat loss) for about ten minutes. Add about a = half cup > cold water to settle the grounds. Drink. > LongWalker c. du B. >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:05:22 PDT From: "Kevin Pitman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: making good coffee Knockin' yer sox off is what makes it good. However, for those of you with a more delicate palate, start with a quality coffee that you like made with a modern pot. Fill the pot to the 3/4 mark ( I am assuming "standard size " of a camp pot) add 4 heaping TBS of coffee, set by the fire and wait. As always use a peeled stick or a little snow to help settle the grounds. YMOS, Kevin Pitman >From: SWcushing@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: making good coffee >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:57:52 EDT > >Hello the list, > >Can anyone tell me how to make a good cup of camp coffee? I just got a new >pot from Westminster Forge, and figure it's time I learned. Some of the >"brew" I've tasted would knock yer sox's off.... > >Steve > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:09:13 -0500 From: "John McKee" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil Sounds great, John, but how does it work in the cold? Long John - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kramer To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:19 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil For those who may be new to this list I will repeat, the others have heard this several times before. The BEST substitute for sperm whale oil is Jojoba Oil. It is legal, available and derived from desert plants. There is no need or good reason to seek out sperm oil. Pressed plant oils are well within our period I haven't yet found jojoba mentioned in the period. It is a reasonable concession to exact authenticity because of when we live. It is a very reasonable approximation. It is slippery stuff. I like it better than any of the petroleum products labeled to our purposes. Use it on fine machines like a clocks, sewing machines or a treadle lathe; or to lube a sticky jack-knife bolster. Excellent in a lock seldom requires refreshing, protects from rust, doesn't wear off easily through handling. Clings well in light coats and stays liquid over long periods and changing climatic conditions. Just what you want an oil to do, about as well as sperm oil does. John... At 07:20 PM 10/25/99 +0000, you wrote: >After further research and telephone conferences with officials at the U.S. >Fish and Wildlife Service Management Office in Arlington, Virginia, and the >National Marine Fisheries Service, I have the following to report as regards >the question raised about sperm whale oil. > >Contrary to what I previously reported, the Sperm Whale has been on the >Endangered Species list since June, 1969. While that act prohibits >"interstate or foreign commerce" in endangered species (or parts thereof), >"intrastate commercial activities ...... that take place entirely within one >State by State residents are not prohibited by the Act." However, each >State may have specific laws that would make such an activity illegal in >that particular State. > >Therefore, at first blush, even sales of Sperm Whale oil, in intrastate and >not interstate commerce, would appear to be legal in some States. > >However, relying on that Act does not tell the entire tale. > >The National Marine Fisheries Service has specific jurisdiction over certain >species, to include whales and seals. The provisions of the statutes they >administer would permit possession, intrastate, of Sperm Whale oil, but not >if it were part of interstate commerce. Further, while someone can give you >the oil, if they are a resident of the State in which you reside, they can >not sell it to you nor may you purchase it. Unlike legal scrimshaw, which I >gather can be sold, whale oil is outside of this exception. > >Additionally, you still face the dilemma of possibly having to prove when >the oil was originally brought into your State. > >In short, if someone in your State gives you some oil, fine. Just do not >make a major production of it. And do not exhibit it commercially (you know >we all charge admission to our living rooms so folks can view our >collections of neat and exotic collectibles) or you will be in violation of >the law. > >This is a very shorthand and simplistic answer to the question first raised, >but I am convinced that it is accurate. > >Moral: Leave Moby Dick, parts and all, alone. > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:42:38 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: animal parts With all the confusion regarding the ownership of endangered animal parts, I have often wondered where one can get reliable information on what is legal and what is not. For instance, there is a store not far from my home that sells Alaskan crafts. Some of these items are made from whale bone and whale baleen that were taken, legally, by native Alaskans. They also sell teeth and claws of a variety of animals that are not considered endangered, such as black bear. There are also Alaskan knife makers that use these materials on their knives and sell them across state lines via the Internet. I am inclined to believe that their enterprise must be legal if it is done so openly. I have heard that the simple of act of wearing a part of a black bear, such as a claw necklace can get on arrested in Kentucky even though the animal is not considered endangered. Over the years I have met scores of self-styled "experts" on this subject, mainly at rendezvous. However, I am unable to find reliable information on this subject, even searching the Internet. Are we all eventually going to forced to wear plastic bear claws and wood beads to avoid arrest while trying to preserve history? Does anyone know where the "real facts" can be found on this subject? Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:54:32 -0600 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil If you need sperm oil for lubrication, Nye Clock Oil was formulated to replicate it--ask a watchmaker, or look it up on www.celestaire.com. Although it's reasonably priced, it's sold in very small bottles, so don't plan on using it for lamp oil. Your humble &c &c Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Pickert Subject: Re: MtMan-List: animal parts - --- Frank Fusco Every state has different laws regarding animal parts including fur and feathers. I am from NYS and our department of Enviromental conservation has a list of what can and cannot be used. Here if the animal has a hunting season on it you can use the parts. Also ther are some that are unprotected and can be taken and used year around. so check with your state eviromental office(game Warden) as they should be able to help you. Do not go buy what someone else is selling as they may not have checked into it and may not realize they are breaking the law> Good luck Walks > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ===== Rick(Walks in the Night)Pickert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 07:40:07 -0700 From: Buck Subject: Re: MtMan-List: animal parts On Tue, 26 October 1999, "Frank Fusco" wrote: > With all the confusion regarding the ownership of endangered animal parts, I have often wondered where one can get reliable information on what is legal and what is not. _____________________________________________ This is a very serious problem that can get all of us in trouble. The wife got tired of my old black bear collection of mounted heads and skulls (15), the memories are fading of their taking, now older feeling quilty of the hunts (told this is a natural process), several friends showed interest in trading/buying them. That's where the problem came in as they where taken in New York and Pennsylvania in the 40's, 50's and 60's (all skulls had the state lead or metal tags with # number of legal lic.), mounted heads had lic.tag on back of mounting plate. Seemed legal to us, made the mistake of asking a friend's kid thats a Colorado Fish & Game officer about selling these heads. I could trade or give them away, but couldn't sell them - the state considers this selling as making a profit on game animals, damn near like selling game meat. So to keep it legal we traded, then the traded items where bought back with cash. _____________________________________________ > For instance, there is a store not far from my home that sells Alaskan crafts. Some of these items are made from whale bone and whale baleen that were taken, legally, by native Alaskans. They also sell teeth .............. _____________________________________________ I have a collection that's been handed down through the family of Alaskan items like ivory, whale teeth, tusks, furs, etc. that could be under this problem, just because it's old or appears to be, doesn't mean anything to these agencies. You had better have proof with letters, pictures, etc. _____________________________________________ > I have heard that the simple of act of wearing a part of a black bear, such as a claw necklace can get on arrested in Kentucky even though the animal is not considered endangered................. _____________________________________________ I have an old Indian War period black bear claw necklace that I use to wear and have put it away rather than have some "newbee" officer want to take it. Then have to go through all the baloney of getting it back, if it was possible to get it back. Have a friend that had a legal eagle feather with papers that was taken a few years back by some F&G officers and never gotten back after several years of the legal process (he is well to-do and tried to make an issue of it - where the average person would just give up, bottom line he got no where either). This can effect reenacters, collectors, small museums (I'm told), etc., who knows where it will stop when there's money to be made in fines, etc. Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:10:45 -0500 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Rendezvous tape How long is the tape and what is the cost? Are there any other Fur Trade era video tapes out there? There's gotta be. HBC > >> I just watched "The spirit of Rendezvous" Produced by Reel West >> Pictures. After being away from the Rendezvous for about 4 years. My >> entire family is excited to to go again, minus the trade tent. If you >> want a very well produced video that is a treat to watch, buy this. >> You want to show the relatives just what the heck you do for fun, >> show them this video. Besides some lengthy portions of certain >> scenes, I thought it was quite good and entertaining. All the >> characters did well. The primary outfits were great, better then the >> PBS documentary. Overall, you will have fun recognizing your friends, >> the music, the atmosphere, the spirit of Rendezvous. A great gift I >> think. **************************************** Henry B. Crawford Box 43191 Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ****** Living History . . . Because It's There ****** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 08:45:43 -0700 From: Buck Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Movies How long is the tape and what is the cost? Are there any other Fur Trade era video tapes out there? There's gotta be. HBC > I just watched "The spirit of Rendezvous" Produced by Reel West Pictures. > Call or write to: > Leo Hakola > Box 7 > La Barge, WY 83123 > 307-386-9216 ________________________________________________ Henry, Doc Ivory gave the price once, but can't remember what is was now, guess call Leo Hakola for cost and shipping charges. I have always liked "Black Robe", not really fur trade per say, but well done and can be rented at most video stores. Of course there's "Centennial" TV series, "The Mountainmen", and the series that Wes & Jeff have done on horse travel that's advertised in Muzzleloader and On The Trail. What about the "Lewis & Clark" series that PBS had, along with several other series they had on Jefferson and a few others that had input into the fur trade. The Bent's Fort movie is interesting and available from that location, check with the US Park Service as to what other loactions have been filmed. Saw one on Fort Union and can remember who produced it. Will have to look tonight at home library and see what else there is. Later, Buck Conner _________________________________ Personal :http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html Business :http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/ AMM Party:http://klesinger.com/jbp/jbp.html _________________________________ Aux Ailments de Pays! Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:23:33 -0500 From: "S.M.Despain-1" Subject: MtMan-List: documentaries - --------------0422F36208828E03A5F88FED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, this is Matt Despain again, the one who put out the survey a few weeks ago. Is anyone interested in my findings? If so I could post them here. Thanks again for everyone who pitched in. On another note, I have seen references to some documentaries about rendezvous/buckskinning/living history. The only one I have is Legacy of the Mountain Man done back in 1980. But there seem to be others. Would anyone be willing to give me references on these other films and if tell me if there are any ways of getting copies. This is all part of my ongoing research for the dissertation and I think these would be great material I my attempts to show how pervasive the mountain man's image has been in American history and culture. Thanks again to everyone who has helped so far. Matt DeSpain - --------------0422F36208828E03A5F88FED Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone,  this is Matt Despain again, the one who put out the survey a few weeks ago.  Is anyone interested in my findings? If so I could post them here.  Thanks again for everyone who pitched in.

On another note, I have seen references to some documentaries about rendezvous/buckskinning/living history.  The only one I have is Legacy of the Mountain Man done back in 1980.  But there seem to be others.  Would anyone be willing to give me references on these other films and if tell me if there are any ways of getting copies.  This is all part of my ongoing research for the dissertation and I think these would be great material I my attempts to show how pervasive the mountain man's image has been in American history and culture.

Thanks again to everyone who has helped so far.

Matt DeSpain - --------------0422F36208828E03A5F88FED-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:17:37 -0500 From: "Austin, Tim" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: documentaries Please Post. - -----Original Message----- From: S.M.Despain-1 [mailto:sdespain@ou.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 1:24 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: documentaries Hi everyone,=A0 this is Matt Despain again, the one who put out the = survey a few weeks ago.=A0 Is anyone interested in my findings? If so I could = post them here.=A0 Thanks again for everyone who pitched in.=20 On another note, I have seen references to some documentaries about rendezvous/buckskinning/living history.=A0 The only one I have is = Legacy of the Mountain Man done back in 1980.=A0 But there seem to be others.=A0 = Would anyone be willing to give me references on these other films and if = tell me if there are any ways of getting copies.=A0 This is all part of my = ongoing research for the dissertation and I think these would be great material = I my attempts to show how pervasive the mountain man's image has been in = American history and culture.=20 Thanks again to everyone who has helped so far.=20 Matt DeSpain=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:39:34 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: documentaries YEs please post - and would you consider the recent documentaries on The Discovery Channel (History channel?) about the mountain men to be viable? What about that TV movie on Fremont, or one of the segments on "The Real West" (History Channel?). What about the documentaries put together by NPS about Bents Fort - tis a bit lame, but interesting. It's about time someone put together a worthy documentry - is Ken Burns available? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:40:39 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil As well as anything else. =20 "Changing Climatic conditions" =3D hot, cold, wet, etc. John... At 08:09 AM 10/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >Sounds great, John, but how does it work in the cold? Long John >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Kramer >To: >Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:19 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Sperm Whale Oil > > >For those who may be new to this list I will repeat,=A0 the others have= heard >this several times before. > >The BEST substitute for sperm whale oil is Jojoba Oil. > >It is legal, available and derived from desert plants.=A0 There is no need= or >good reason to seek out sperm oil.=A0 Pressed plant oils are well within= our >period I haven't yet found jojoba mentioned in the period.=A0 It is a >reasonable >concession to exact authenticity because of when we live.=A0 It is a very >reasonable approximation. > >It is slippery stuff.=A0 I like it better than any of the petroleum= products >labeled to our purposes. > >Use it on fine machines like a clocks, sewing machines or a treadle lathe; >or >to lube a sticky jack-knife bolster.=A0 Excellent in a lock seldom requires >refreshing, protects from rust, doesn't wear off easily through handling. >Clings well in light coats and stays liquid over long periods and changing >climatic conditions.=A0 Just what you want an oil to do, about as well as >sperm >oil does. > >John... > > > > >At 07:20 PM 10/25/99 +0000, you wrote: >>After further research and telephone conferences with officials at the= U.S. >>Fish and Wildlife Service Management Office in Arlington, Virginia, and= the >>National Marine Fisheries Service, I have the following to report as >regards >>the question raised about sperm whale oil. >> >>Contrary to what I previously reported, the Sperm Whale has been on the >>Endangered Species list since June, 1969. While that act prohibits >>"interstate or foreign commerce" in endangered species (or parts thereof), >>"intrastate commercial activities ...... that take place entirely within >one >>State by State residents are not prohibited by the Act." However, each >>State may have specific laws that would make such an activity illegal in >>that particular State. >> >>Therefore, at first blush, even sales of Sperm Whale oil, in intrastate= and >>not interstate commerce, would appear to be legal in some States. >> >>However, relying on that Act does not tell the entire tale. >> >>The National Marine Fisheries Service has specific jurisdiction over >certain >>species, to include whales and seals. The provisions of the statutes they >>administer would permit possession, intrastate, of Sperm Whale oil, but= not >>if it were part of interstate commerce. Further, while someone can give= you >>the oil, if they are a resident of the State in which you reside, they can >>not sell it to you nor may you purchase it. Unlike legal scrimshaw, which= I >>gather can be sold, whale oil is outside of this exception. >> >>Additionally, you still face the dilemma of possibly having to prove when >>the oil was originally brought into your State. >> >>In short, if someone in your State gives you some oil, fine. Just do not >>make a major production of it. And do not exhibit it commercially (you= know >>we all charge admission to our living rooms so folks can view our >>collections of neat and exotic collectibles) or you will be in violation= of >>the law. >> >>This is a very shorthand and simplistic answer to the question first >raised, >>but I am convinced that it is accurate. >> >>Moral: Leave Moby Dick, parts and all, alone. >> >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: ><http://www.xmission.c om/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html>http://www.xmission. com/ >~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >John Kramer=A0 > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/ ~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. 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