From: "Jeremiah \"Spassvogel\" Rickert" Subject: (klf) non-klf: burning cds of vinyl Date: 01 May 1999 02:07:14 -0700 (PDT) I've been having an odd thing happening lately, and I was wondering if any of you techwizzes had any idea what the story was. I have a Turtle Beach Montego, and a CD burner. I've been recording records for months with no problems, but the last couple of days, when I try to record *anything* through the line-in, it doesn't work right. The music or whatever will sound all right in the system speakers and on the deck that's playing the record, but when I try to record, I get a very scratchy version of the music in one channel and an empty square-looking wave in the other channel. other things I've noticed: Whereas I used to have the input level for the line-in about on the 2nd or third rung, I now have to crank it up to get anything, but the music plays perfectly clear in the system speakers. There seems to be a problem with the line-in, but I haven't overloaded it, all of the records I've done recently have been fine, then poof, one day, blam, it doesn't work right. Any ideas? jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) non-klf: burning cds of vinyl Date: 01 May 1999 07:36:54 PDT seems to be a problem with the line-in, but I haven't overloaded it, >all of the records I've done recently have been fine, then poof, one day, >blam, it doesn't work right. Any ideas? > >jr > Ahh Windows. Check all cables, then re-install everything. If this doesn't do it, re-format your HD. If this doesn't do it, it's a physical problem with the sound card. It could be a firm ware flash you need, or maybe the whole things just shot. First remove the soundcard (software-wise) by using the device manager. The re-start your system. Depending on the age of your soundcard, and your version of windows, windows may install drivers for the soundcard automaticly when you restart. If not you will need the soundcard's driver disk to complete the set. Windows will walk you through this...sort of. If you have a CDR, then you have a large back up system. (Yes, you can actualy use these things for more than just burning games and MP3s). Back up eveything and fdisk the HD. This smay seem drastic, but for me it's much more convenient than screwing with crap for hours and hours. Chad _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: Re: (klf) Space Date: 01 May 1999 07:59:17 -0700 (PDT) hi all > Has anyone heard "Space" . Did you like it . And > does anyone know how > hard it is to get on record. i think you can only get it in germany can anyone confirm this? also i heard you can get alot more klf cds in germany maybe someone could confirm this too fredsinclair@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 01 May 1999 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT) hi all, you probably all know this but ricardo da force, former KLF rapper is to be part of a new boy/girl "pop" duo called G.I.A.N.T. but there is more! he will provide vocals in G.I.A.N.T for a 9 foot robot (!) called sonic boom which in the record labels words "will be set to take flat eric by storm!" i laughed when i heard this but it is true! he will still work with n-trance fredsinclair@yahoo.com Mark Sinclair p.s. it is not a joke even though it sounds like one!!! n.p. faithless-bring my family back _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: (klf) ricardo ricardo! Date: 01 May 1999 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) hi all, you probably all know this but ricardo da force, former KLF rapper is to be part of a new boy/girl "pop" duo called G.I.A.N.T. but there is more! he will provide vocals in G.I.A.N.T for a 9 foot robot (!) called sonic boom which in the record labels words "will be set to take flat eric by storm!" i laughed when i heard this but it is true! he will still work with n-trance fredsinclair@yahoo.com Mark Sinclair p.s. it is not a joke even though it sounds like one!!! n.p. faithless-bring my family back _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: (klf) TWROST CD Date: 02 May 1999 13:16:38 +0100 Are there still people waiting for their TWROST CDs, or am I the only one? It's seems strange that Marshall started mailing them out and then stopped. Does anybody know what is going on? -- Simon Daw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: erik Subject: Re: (klf) TWROST CD Date: 02 May 1999 14:32:17 +0200 At 13:16 02.05.99 +0100, Simon Daw wrote: >Are there still people waiting for their TWROST CDs, or am I the only >one? of all people, _I_ am still waiting for my copies. That's the thanks one gets... Marshall never mails me back anyway. Grmpf. Maybe I should try to call him by phone. Anyobody got his number? :-) erik --------------------------------------------- Erik.Gander@stud.uni-hannover.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drew Radtke Subject: (klf) 2k HMV MCR Date: 02 May 1999 16:29:39 +0100 (BST) I was in HMV in Manchester this weekend (no I didn't see the lovely Erika doing whatever she was doing, it was just coincidence). Anyhow if any of you didn't manage to get a copy of 'Fuck the Millennium' they have the CD single for 99p in their sale. You have to rummage to find one though. Sorry if someone had already mentioned this. Drew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Robinson" Subject: (klf) KLF and fans etc. Date: 02 May 1999 16:42:47 +0100 For reasons too boring to mention I've only just read the discussion about Bill refusing to sign "Justified & Ancient History". My contributions to the debate are: 1. Too right he refused to sign it, it was shit. So Gimpo for once said something of some pertinence. It is indeed bollocks. What an embarrassing publication. But I was only 15, I suppose. Anyway, Jimmy actually signed one of my copies when I accosted him at his brother's workshop one Sunday afternoon. This was when he was working on those 12-ft canvasses that never saw the light of day. (Shame, they were fab.) Coincidentally my friend who I was with asked Jimmy to sign his copy of "The Eye In The Pyramid", and he was quite happy to oblige. 2. I always found that Jimmy and Bill were quite approachable. One birthday they sent me an enormous package of stuff, including loads of rare photos, white labels, a self portrait by Jimmy, Ford Timelord's old tax disc (signed) and loads of t-shirts. Once they invited me to Top Of The Pops (for a "3am" appearance) with them and while I was there Jimmy have me his home phone number, and never seemed to mind when I called it. And so on. Given how annoying I no doubt was I still have a lot of respect for the way they were with me. 3. Some of you may be fairly appalled to hear that I have set up a Steps website, but come and have a look before you track me down and kill me. http://www.notmarilyn.freeserve.co.uk/ 4. Nobody seems to have mentioned Bill's short story "My Favourite Colour", which is being sent out to media people by the National Centre For Popular Music. It's a pamphlet but quite densely packed with text. The usual stuff - self indulgent anecdotes, etc. etc. Bye bye! Peter Robinson x # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Herbert Subject: (klf) The Manual Date: 02 May 1999 19:46:06 +0100 There are copies at Tower Records in London, on the Singles counter. £10 each. Jon Herbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Jordan Subject: (klf) New member Date: 02 May 1999 21:26:04 +0100 My name is Steve Jordan and I'm a 29yr old Industrial Designer who also dabbles in dance music (my bruv and I have a 32 track digital studio). My interest in the list is to catch up on what Bill and Jimmy and doing now / next, out of personal and creative interest. I met Bill back in 92 when I was recording with a band at "The Solon Corporation", a studio directly above KLF Communications in the Brixton Enterprise Centre. They had just finished using it to make the 7" version of America by cutting down the 12" recording they made at Olympic. Bill popped up to borrow a lead for a DAT machine while we were recording. Over the week, we bumped into Bill, wife Sally and Lisa who ran the KLF Comms office several times. It was the KLF that first illustrated how anything was possible with enough drive, ambition and self belief - it's essentially a state of mind. It works too, I've used it to go from the shipping clerks job I did 5 yrs ago to lead designer for a large multinational - making 3 TV programmes (BBC2) and building my own studio along the way. Regards Steve Jordan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smiley Subject: Re: (klf) TWROST CD Date: 02 May 1999 18:45:16 +0100 >Are there still people waiting for their TWROST CDs, or am I the only >one? yep - i posted about this last week and got very little response, even though i KNOW there a still a lot of us left in this situation. >It's seems strange that Marshall started mailing them out and then >stopped. pretty much par for the course, as far as i can tell. i mean, come on, if ERIK hasn't had his copies then it's getting really stupid. >Does anybody know what is going on? one man does, but he won't answer us will he? --- Smiley MASSIVE spares list at: http://come.to/SmileyWeb any items that have gone to bidding - auction closes next saturday (may8th) at the latest, and all participants will be updated as soon as anything changes in the bidding. thankyou. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: Re: (klf) (OT) NTSC format Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:49:25 -0400 > As you mention this, maybe you or anyone on the list can answer me a > question that makes me crazy for a long time now: What the f*** does > NTSC mean? Everybody just tells me "Never the same colour", even > technicians seem to know *just* this funny explanation... > That's the only one I've ever heard! Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-Terje Vellene Subject: Re: (klf) New member Date: 03 May 1999 23:09:30 +0200 Steven Jordan wrote: > > It was the KLF that first illustrated how anything was possible with enough > drive, ambition and self belief - it's essentially a state of mind. It > works too, I've used it to go from the shipping clerks job I did 5 yrs ago > to lead designer for a large multinational - making 3 TV programmes (BBC2) > and building my own studio along the way. Agreed... the KLF are one of my bigger inspirations that keep me on making music, although my band doesn't really approach the KLF (so far :)) The energy they seemed to put into their projects and the recklessness with which they saturated all their projects is definitely something I try to achieve. Problem is of course to find something new to do that they haven't already done :) I think we're getting there, but it will take a while before we come up trumps like they did. Anyways, the KLF music is still among the most important discs in my collection and I don't think I'll ever get tired of it or the new things they are doing... my two cents JanT > > > Regards > Steve Jordan > -- moonbeam - synthpop extraordinaire http://home.sol.no/~jantv ICQ: 2503528 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) The Manual Date: 03 May 1999 14:58:40 PDT hello everybody > > >There are copies at Tower Records in London, on the Singles counter.> > > >£10 each. I saw this message on the list, now I wonder if someone from the London area would like to help to get a book? I can pay you money and can also give a KLFvsENT 7" as thanks! Someone, please help me!!! - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) 2k HMV MCR Date: 03 May 1999 15:01:53 PDT Hello everybody, >I was in HMV in Manchester this weekend (no I didn't see the lovely >Erika doing whatever she was doing, it was just coincidence). Anyhow if>any >of you didn't manage to get a copy of 'Fuck the Millennium' they>have the >CD single for 99p in their sale. You have to rummage to find>one though. >Sorry if someone had already mentioned this. Need some help again.. . Could someone in the Manch area please help me a bunch of them? Like 5 or 10 or so? Of course I'll pay and also I can give you a KLFvsENT or a copy of anything in my Kollection... . thankful for answer - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (klf) FA: 3 Rare KLF/JAMMS items incl. All You Need 12" & 2nd JAMMS `LP Date: 03 May 1999 20:16:59 -0400 I currently have the following items up for auction on eBay: JAMMS - Who Killed The Jamms - 2nd LP complete with amazing insert (JAMSLP2) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=98789992 JAMMS - All You Need Is Love 12" in great pciture sleeve (JAMS23T) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=98791964 KLF - 3AM Eternal Christmas Tops Of The Pops (3AM1) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=98790980 I have a few more KLF/JAMMS items for set sale on my web site http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm Thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) 2k HMV, please!! Date: 04 May 1999 17:39:55 PDT come on people, someone in the area must be able to help me?? I'll toss in a couple of quids with the KLFvsENT 7".. . >Hello everybody, > >>I was in HMV in Manchester this weekend (no I didn't see the lovely >>Erika doing whatever she was doing, it was just coincidence). Anyhow >>if>any of you didn't manage to get a copy of 'Fuck the Millennium' >>they>have the CD single for 99p in their sale. You have to rummage to >>find>one though. Sorry if someone had already mentioned this. > > >Need some help again.. . > >Could someone in the Manch area please help me get a bunch of them? > >Like 5 or 10 or so? > > >Of course I'll pay and also I can give you a KLFvsENT 7" or a copy of >anything in my Kollection... . > > > >thankful for answer - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) Bill And Jimmy Date: 05 May 1999 7:41:26 +0200 Hello=2E=2E=2E anybody know what Bill and Jimmy are doing right now? Any largescale=20= projects or anything?=20= Mr=2EK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 05 May 1999 7:43:28 +0200 Does anyone know what the cover of 1987 - the edits look like? Is it=20= the same as the original 1987? Mr=2E K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: erik Subject: Re: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 05 May 1999 13:09:01 +0200 At 07:43 05.05.99 +0200, oyvind.kallstad@observer.no wrote: >Does anyone know what the cover of 1987 - the edits look like? Is it the >same as the original 1987? It is black on white instead of white on black, it has instructions on how to recreate the original 1987 on the back and it's a 12" single sleeve (thinner than an album sleeve). Maybe one day I get around to scann it for my webpage. :-) erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 05 May 1999 12:02:44 EDT > Does anyone know what the cover of 1987 - the edits look like? Is it the same > as the original 1987? Yes, only in reverse" White sleeve, big 1987 in the font. "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu The Jams 45 Edits Jams 25T" in all caps, small print on the bottom. Back has a fairly large 12inch logo as seen on the standard sleeves ('inch' making up the foot of the 2). Instructions on how to recreate the original album with a warning not to recreate it in front of two or more people as it could be contrued as being a public performance, and not to record your recreation due to copyright infringement. (ha!) -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d.forster1" Subject: PAL VS NTSC (was Re: (klf) white room) Date: 05 May 1999 17:35:43 GMT+0 > Dr. Who wrote: > > what is a PAL copy?? Why wouldnt it work in the u.s.?? > PAL is the video signal format (the way that the TV etc decodes what is on > the tape) that is used in the UK and Europe. In the US, and some other > places I beleive, they use the NTSC format. 1st thing lets get some things straight. PAL is not a video signal format, it is a 'broadcasting protocol'. PAL would work in the US if you have a special VCR, in the UK I have a video with NTSC playback function (most modern videos come with this function). The idea behind PAL & NTSC is to stop piracy (don't ask how that even puzzles me!). At the moment they are using this form of piracy protection to even protect DVDs (even though in the UK most places are selling the US DVD players (oops there goes the DVD protection out the window)). If you try watching a PAL video on an NTSC player you will get no sound and a streaky picture because the sound is transmitted on a different frequency to the picture (and the difference changes depending on whether you are using PAL or NTSC, I think an PAL the sound is +5Mhz above the picture and on NTSC the sound is -5Mhz below the picture). Also on PAL the picture is stored in HSV (Hue, Saturation, V?) format and on NTSC it is stored in RGB (Red Green Blue) format. In a PAL TV the HSV values are converted to RGB values for the tube where as in NTSC the RGB values are used straight no decoding this is what causes the strange streaky colors. Most modern TVs and videos allow you to watch both NTSC and PAL (because the TV manufacturers found it to be cheaper to create one TV for worldwide sales over about 10 different models for each country!). Check with the manual to see if your's is compatible, I know that my parents Goldstar NICAM stereo VCR can play both NTSC and PAL and my parents Widescreen Surround Sound Philips TV is compatible with all European countries. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d.forster1" Subject: Re: (klf) FTM T shirt Date: 05 May 1999 18:20:19 GMT+0 > I got the FTM pack from the mail order place but I lost the t shirt , I > think I lost it in Turkey when I was wrecked last summer . Does > anybody know if the place that dealt with them still has them or > has anyone a spare cause I miss getting funny looks of parents > and pensioner as I walk down sauchiehall street. The people in charge of distribution were Mute Records, there web site can be found at the following address http://www.mute.co.uk but I don't think they will have it there as all the F*** the Millenium things seem to have finished (except http://www.k2planthire.ltd.uk). Even the millenium line is now a magazine telephone number. Alternitavely if you can't find anyone doing the T-Shirts do it yourself. If you've got the F*** the Millenium CD ask a T-Shirt printers to print the front cover on the front of the T-Shirt and ask them to put Millenium Crisis Line 0894 100 2000 on the back (I think that's the number). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d.forster1" Subject: (klf) KLF Vs Pet Shop Boys? Date: 05 May 1999 18:44:31 GMT+0 I was on the internet recently looking for KLF MP3s (mainly K Cera Cera) and I found an MP3 called KLF VS Pet Shop Boys.MP3 what is this? did the KLF re-mix West end girls or something? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Vs Pet Shop Boys? Date: 05 May 1999 12:52:59 -0500 They remixed "So Hard" and "It Must Be Obvious". Check the discography for the complete information "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: PAL VS NTSC (was Re: (klf) white room) Date: 05 May 1999 14:28:10 -0400 "d.forster1" wrote: > The idea behind PAL & NTSC is to stop piracy (don't ask > how that even puzzles me!). At the moment they are > using this form of piracy protection to even protect DVDs > (even though in the UK most places are selling the > US DVD players (oops there goes the DVD protection out > the window)). While most of what you wrote is correct, I don't believe that this is true. I believe that each country chose their broadcast protocol of their own accord, without regards to piracy. Remember, these things were decided long before you could record anything from your TV. DVDs are "protected" (and I use the word very loosely) by region encoding. In theory, if you buy a DVD player in the US (which is in Region 1), then it can only play DVDs which are region-encoded for Region 1. However, it is not hard to find region-independent DVD players, so that you can play DVDs from Japan. DVDs are also subject to the PAL/NTSC difference, so you can't play a PAL DVD on a NTSC DVD player. (Well, you might be able to play it, but you won't get a very useful signal out of it.) ObKLF: I can't play the video portion of my "Doctorin' The Tardis" CDV because I don't have a PAL laserdisc player. -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation sleepy people | network down http://www.newsedge.com http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: PAL VS NTSC (was Re: (klf) white room) Date: 05 May 1999 11:54:07 PDT OK >1st thing lets get some things straight. PAL is not a video signal >format, it is a 'broadcasting protocol'. PAL would work in the US if >you have a special VCR, in the UK I have a video with NTSC playback >function (most modern videos come with this function). The idea >behind PAL & NTSC is to stop piracy (don't ask how that even puzzles >me!). The real reason behind PAL and NTSC diference is a lack of concensis between the FCC in the us, and whoever is responsible for that sort of thing in the UK ect. At the moment they are using this form of piracy protection to >even protect DVDs (even though in the UK most places are selling the >US DVD players (oops there goes the DVD protection out the window)). > DVD has regional lockouts that prohibit you from playing DVDs from outside your region. The reason for this isn't realy piracy (although Macrovision is part of the DVD standard) it's so that the money from the sale of the DVD goes to whoever has the rights in that country. Same with video games. For example: If I want Dr Who on DVD in the UK, I might go to BBC video to get it. Any Dr Who I buy gives profits to the BBC. In the US, that DVD would probably be distibuted by Image entertainment who would want the money handled in such a way so that Image gets some of it, and BBC get the liscense fee. If I boght in Image Dr Who DVD in the UK, BBC would be getting screwed out of some of their money, and if I bought the BBC version in the US, Image could get pissed and complain to the BBC for breaking the liscense agreament and selling DR Who in the US by themselves. Oddly enought, it is this regional protection shit that has kept me from buying any DVDs players so far. Japanaese Laser Disks play with no modifications in my American player. If DVD was the same way I'd be all over it. Also on PAL the picture is stored in HSV (Hue, >Saturation, V?) format and on NTSC it is stored in RGB (Red Green >Blue) format. In a PAL TV the HSV values are converted to RGB values >for the tube where as in NTSC the RGB values are used straight no >decoding this is what causes the strange streaky colors. Well actualy, no home format stores in RGB. If it did iw ould be a GREAT format. RGB hogs space too much. What NTSC does is it stores a composite form of RGb with modifications (such as removing a lot of Yello) to make the signal smaller. > >Most modern TVs and videos allow you to watch both NTSC and PAL Well maybe in the UK, but in the US dual standard decks are only available in the high price ranges (ie $800 or so) when you can get a SVHS player with lots of funtions (but no PAL/SEACAM) for about $300. > Chad _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 05 May 1999 15:25:48 -0400 So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it got me thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, and what artists would you like to see cover KLF songs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 05 May 1999 14:16:08 PDT Hello everybody, someone wrote this interesting piece >So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it >got >me>thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, AHA! That would be great, haven't even thought of that myself.. . A KLF tribute album :) :) :) I've been thinking of a kinda remix album, with todays technoartists remixing KLF, that would also be great! >and what>artists would you like to see cover KLF songs. East 17, Backstreet boys, Scooter, Puff Daddy... .. sure No really, but Utah Saints, Apollo 440, Aphen Twin, Cari Lekebusch would be alright with me.. . - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: Ad: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 7:39:03 +0200 >So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it got me=20= >thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, and what=20= >artists would you like to see cover KLF songs=2E Nice idea=2E=2E I would realy like Oliver Lieb and William Orbit to remix=20= KLF Mr=2EK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: Ad: Re: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 06 May 1999 7:40:54 +0200 >Yes, only in reverse" >White sleeve, big 1987 in the font=2E "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu The=20= >Jams 45 Edits Jams 25T" in all caps, small print on the bottom=2E >Back has a fairly large 12inch logo as seen on the standard sleeves ('inch'=20= >making up the foot of the 2)=2E Instructions on how to recreate the original=20= >album with a warning not to recreate it in front of two or more people as it=20= >could be contrued as being a public performance, and not to record your=20= >recreation due to copyright infringement=2E (ha!) >-paul Thanks to all of you that responded on my question=2E=2E now=2E=2E would=20= anyone have a scan of this cover (pref=2E jpg) that they can send me? Mr=2E K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rod" Subject: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 06 May 1999 10:26:34 +0000 Hi Folks, I've recently managed to get a copy of the Black Room from a listmember. The original copy was take from a tape with lots of hiss and crackle. I've managed to clean up the original somewhat. If anyone wishes to provide space for distribution then please mail me directly. The tracks are certainly not what I would call classic KLF (or even good for that matter), but still worth a listen nonetheless. Thanks to Neil Sampson for the original CD Rod PS: I will NOT reply to mails requesting files etc. I simply don't have the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: erik Subject: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 06 May 1999 12:41:26 +0200 At 07:40 06.05.99 +0200, oyvind.kallstad@observer.no wrote: >Thanks to all of you that responded on my question.. now.. would anyone have >a scan of this cover (pref. jpg) that they can send me? Okay, I'm convinced, I'm going to make a scan and put it on my klf page. This /might/ take until tomorrow, but have a look later at http://surf.to/KLF :-) erik --------------------------------------------- Erik.Gander@stud.uni-hannover.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jarrod5083@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 07:55:07 EDT Considering that Cleopatra Records, an Industrial/Darkwave label, is responsible for most of the cover discs out there, they'd probably do one in a heartbeat if it were suggested :) I'd personally like to see EHC cover All You Need is Love, and Spahn Ranch cover It's Grim Up North. :) Jarrod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: RE: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 06 May 1999 08:57:17 -0400 Thorne, Chris] Why not upload the tunes to Fnord? > I've recently managed to get a copy of the Black Room from a listmember. > The original copy was take from a tape with lots of hiss and crackle. > > I've managed to clean up the original somewhat. > If anyone wishes to provide space for distribution then please mail me > directly. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rod" Subject: RE: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 06 May 1999 14:06:18 +0000 >Thorne, Chris] Why not upload the tunes to Fnord? User name & password ?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: Ad: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 11:51:46 +0100 (BST) On Thu 06 May, oyvind.kallstad@observer.no wrote: > [somebody else wrote..] > >So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it got me >thinking > >, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, and what > >>artists would you lik > e to see cover KLF songs. > > Nice idea.. I would realy like Oliver Lieb and William Orbit to remix KLF This isn't an attempt to diss them in any way, but the KLF didn't really release that many still-well-recognised singles to justify this kind of tribute album. However, if obscure tracks were allowed as well, my ideal KLF tribute would probably look something like this: Last Train To Trancentral: Utah Saints I Gotta CD _or_ Kylie Said To Jason: Pet Shop Boys Justified & Ancient: Sunscreem It's Grim Up North: Underworld with John Lydon What Time Is Love: Orbital Mars (from Space): Tangerine Dream No More Tears: William Orbit with Beth Orton Downtown: Beastie Boys Disaster Fund Collection: Freestylers with Kylie Minogue (oh yes) Build a Fire: Leonard Cohen Church of the KLF: Sophie B Hawkins 3:am Eternal: Fatboy Slim Hmmmm. Time to go back to bed I think. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk np: nothing # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 19:55:13 GMT+0 > So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it got me > thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, and what > artists would you like to see cover KLF songs. Do you want the funny list or the sensible one? Heres a funny list Track Artist Build a fire Prodigy (Firestarter) 3AM Eternal Faithless (Insomnia) Fuck The Millenium Pulp (Disco 2000) America:What Time is Love Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinsky America:No More Slobodon Milosevic Last Train to Trancentral Venga Boys (Vengabus) The sensible list is here Track Artist 3AM Eternal N-Trance Last Train to Trancentral N-Trance America:What Time is Love Run DMC and Jam Master Jay Whitney Joins The JAMMs Whitney Houston Doctor In The Tardis Lovebug Starski (did Amityville song) Chill Out album The Orb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: (klf) KLF & Orb? Date: 06 May 1999 20:00:25 GMT+0 I visited a mate last night and he told me that Alex Patterson of the Orb used to be a member of the KLF but split just before 1987 came out. Is this true? He lent me an Orb CD called Orblivion and I noticed that track 1 sounds very similar to one of the KLF trax. Does anyone know if that is where these samples came from and who used them first the orb or the klf? or is it just that they both used 808's to produce them on? Speaking of 808's my mate also gave me some software which emulates an 808 machine. If anyone wants a copy of the software e-mail me quickly 'cos after about May 15th I wont be @ this uni. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: Ad: Re: (klf) 1987 the edits Date: 06 May 1999 20:07:12 GMT+0 > Thanks to all of you that responded on my question.. now.. would anyone > have a scan of this cover (pref. jpg) that they can send me? If it's just the inverse of the original cover why not download the original cover from the KLF faq site on the net and inverse it in Paint Shop Pro? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 06 May 1999 20:12:46 GMT+0 > If anyone wishes to provide space for distribution then please mail me directly. If your quick and you can get the files to me b4 15th May all zipped/rarred up I will upload the zip/rar file (as long as it's not over 8Mb) to my xoom.com web site at http://members.xoom.com/the_klf and put links on my site so people can download it from there. BTW - Weren't you the person having a go at me b4 for pirating KLF songs? Somebodies changed there tune haven't they? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 14:03:10 PDT hello everybody > wrote >Track Artist > >3AM Eternal N-Trance >Last Train to Trancentral N-Trance >America:What Time is Love Run DMC and Jam Master Jay >Whitney Joins The JAMMs Whitney Houston is this sensible? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremiah \"Spassvogel\" Rickert" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 16:27:31 -0700 (PDT) > So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it got me > thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, and what > artists would you like to see cover KLF songs. Here are my fantasy picks, but some would never happen as some of these groups don't exist anymore...I'm also trying to avoid obvious dj's/remixers, it's more fun that way... Art of Noise w/max headroom: Build A Fire (w-w-w-wandrin' star) Pink Floyd: Last Train to Trancentral (the original version, can't you imagine a David Gilmour guitar solo on the violin-sounding bit?) Candy Store: Norman Cook aka Fatboy Slim What Time Is Love: Lords of Acid Church of the KLF (TWOST ver.): Supertramp Downtown: Front 242 Justified and Ancient: David Bowie Burn The Beat: Isaac Hayes 3am Eternal: Lauryn Hill It's Grim Up North: Einsturzende Neubauten Jerusalem on the Moors: Jethro Tull All You Need is Love: Weird Al Yankovic Kylie Said to Jason: KMFDM anyway... jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Collryd" Subject: re: (klf) The Manual Date: 04 May 1999 23:12:34 +0200 Hi there! >> > >There are copies at Tower Records in London, on the Singles = counter.> >=20 >> >=A310 each. > > >I saw this message on the list, now I wonder if someone from the London = area=20 >would like to help to get a book? I can pay you money and can also give = a=20 >KLFvsENT 7" as thanks! I'm also interested in buying this book. I have finally decided I'm = going to make a hit! If someone could help me too I'd be very happy. I will first try to get = it on my own if someone would be so kind and give me complete info about = the book.=20 Thanks! Stefan Collryd __________________________ Brought to you by Different Project # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: E.Hatton@plymouth.ac.uk Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 05 May 1999 16:03:21 +0000 hi all, you probably all know this but ricardo da force, former KLF rapper is to be part of a new boy/girl "pop" duo called G.I.A.N.T. >>>weren't Giant an '80's group fomr Liverpool? ERika x _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "blackroom" Subject: (klf) Black Room MP3 Available Date: 05 May 1999 15:06:25 +0000 OK folks here is.... The original tracks on the CD were of semi-reasonable quality. I've cleaned up the tracks slightly to remove the hiss, pops etc. Due to space limitations on tripod not all of the tracks will be availible at the one time. I've not done anything to make the site cool, pretty, or generally wizz-bang - after all the Black Room certainly ain't :) The tracks will be there for about a week or so and then I'll replace them with the rest. Many thanks to listmeber Neil Sampson - without whom all of this would not have been possible :) Lastly - if Tripod restrict access to the site then so be it. If someone is willing to donate the space for it then mail me. I will NOT repond to mails requesting reposting of files. Enjoy...... http://members.tripod.com/BlackRoom/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: PAL VS NTSC (was Re: (klf) white room) Date: 05 May 1999 13:13:24 -0500 At 05:35 PM 5/5/99 GMT+0, you wrote: > >> Dr. Who wrote: > >> > what is a PAL copy?? Why wouldnt it work in the u.s.?? > >> PAL is the video signal format (the way that the TV etc decodes what is on >> the tape) that is used in the UK and Europe. In the US, and some other >> places I beleive, they use the NTSC format. > >1st thing lets get some things straight. PAL is not a video signal >format, it is a 'broadcasting protocol'. PAL would work in the US if >you have a special VCR, in the UK I have a video with NTSC playback >function (most modern videos come with this function). The idea >behind PAL & NTSC is to stop piracy (don't ask how that even puzzles >me!). Wrong. Consider that the NTSC and PAL standards were in place before home video technology (and thus overseas signal "piracy"), was even possibleo on a consumer level. PAL and NTSC are indeed formats, just like VHS and Beta: they use the same foundation (video tapes, or in the case of PAL/NTSC VHF/UHF/FM frequencies) but use different signals to accomplish the same task. Nothing to do with piracy. >At the moment they are using this form of piracy protection to >even protect DVDs (even though in the UK most places are selling the >US DVD players (oops there goes the DVD protection out the window)). Wrong. DVDs use region encoding and Macrovision, not a separate video signal format or "broadcasting protocol" to prevent the import and export of DVDs. This is nothing more than a 1 byte value set to a certain region on the DVD which players are programmed to recognize and only accept disks with the same value. Note that both Japan and the USA use NTSC as their video format, but Japanese discs are region-encoded to a different region than the US discs. Macrovision is used for anti-piracy -- it is a way of encoding signals in the vertical blanking interval of the picture so that when you record the image on your VCR things go funny. Again, neither region encoding or Macrovision, both anti-export and anti-piracy controls, have anything to do with NTSC, PAL and SECAM. >If you try watching a PAL video on an NTSC player you will get no >sound and a streaky picture because the sound is transmitted on a >different frequency to the picture (and the difference changes >depending on whether you are using PAL or NTSC, I think an PAL the >sound is +5Mhz above the picture and on NTSC the sound is -5Mhz below >the picture). Also on PAL the picture is stored in HSV (Hue, >Saturation, V?) format and on NTSC it is stored in RGB (Red Green >Blue) format. In a PAL TV the HSV values are converted to RGB values >for the tube where as in NTSC the RGB values are used straight no >decoding this is what causes the strange streaky colors. AFAIK, this is correct. But, what you're describing are differences in the video signal format -- not any type of "broadcasting protocol" or "anti-piracy" measure. >Most modern TVs and videos allow you to watch both NTSC and PAL >(because the TV manufacturers found it to be cheaper to create one >TV for worldwide sales over about 10 different models for each >country!). Wrong. Ever been in -any- stereo or TV shop in the US? I dare you to find more than a handful that have a single multistandard VCR in stock. Here in the US, the vast majority of TVs and VCRs are NTSC-only... and that's a lot of TVs and VCRs. Definately enough to make your claim of "most" TVs and VCRs a ridiculous exaggeration. Most in Europe, sure. Most in the world? Doubtful. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Torsten Pattberg" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF & Orb? Date: 06 May 1999 21:12:24 +0200 >Speaking of 808's my mate also gave me some software which emulates >an 808 machine. If anyone wants a copy of the software e-mail me >quickly 'cos after about May 15th I wont be @ this uni. I think you are talking about ReBirth and it is worth buying... Torsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: E.Hatton@plymouth.ac.uk Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 15:30:13 +0000 >So I just heard a few tracks off the new Clash Tribute album, and it >got >me>thinking, do you think there will ever be a KLF tribute album, >>....since the klf used to hide their faces (sometimes), I'm sure if there is ever a tribute album, or even band (heaven forbid!), it will be BD and JC in disguise. Erika x ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremiah \"Spassvogel\" Rickert" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room MP3 Available Date: 06 May 1999 17:19:00 -0700 (PDT) I tried going to http://members.tripod.com/BlackRoom/ and it came up as a dead link... jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Johansson Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room MP3 Available Date: 07 May 1999 03:03:57 +0200 This link doesn't seem to work. Perhaps tripod removed the site due to the mp3 files. If there is any other location where those files are available, please let me know. / Erik, Sweden Take me to the Church of the KLF > > > http://members.tripod.com/BlackRoom/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Ives Subject: Re: (klf) KLF & Orb? Date: 07 May 1999 08:57:52 +0800 Torsten Pattberg wrote: > >Speaking of 808's my mate also gave me some software which emulates > >an 808 machine. If anyone wants a copy of the software e-mail me > >quickly 'cos after about May 15th I wont be @ this uni. > > I think you are talking about ReBirth and it is worth buying... > rebirth is not much more than sample playback I think you will find... - for better emulation just get the free/shareware STOMPER and HAMMERHEAD - much better tools - and no need to spend a fortune! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) KLF sightings Date: 06 May 1999 18:18:50 PDT hello everybody, KLF was mentioned im my local papers fridays special edition, PAGANG. They were discussing short names like, KLF, OMD, REM, TLC and so on.. www.arbetarbladet.se KLFs J&A was played at a bar/club kinda place at a place outside Ottawa, Canada last saturday. On my request, of course. I played WTIL ( WHite room version) at a big schoolparty thing a couple of weekS ago.. . Was walking around downtown Ottawa last thursday, checking out recordshops, 2 KLF sightings, J&A & TWR cd ( both arista/used). J&A was labeled under " THE GREAT KLF " - nice!! here we go again... .. .. . >>I was in HMV in Manchester this weekend (no I didn't see the lovely >>Erika doing whatever she was doing, it was just coincidence). Anyhow >>if>any of you didn't manage to get a copy of 'Fuck the Millennium' >>they>have the CD single for 99p in their sale. You have to rummage to >>find>one though. Sorry if someone had already mentioned this. > > >Need some help.. . > >Could someone in the Manch area please help me a bunch of them? > >Like 5 or 10 or so? > > >Of course I'll pay and also I can give you a KLFvsENT or a copy of anything >in my Kollection... . + CASH!!! Come on!!! Someone must be able to help me?!?!? Or can I buy a them through internet? SOMEONE, PLEASE HELP ME!! - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 06 May 1999 20:28:08 PDT >BTW - Weren't you the person having a go at me b4 for pirating KLF >songs? Somebodies changed there tune haven't they? Why would anyone complain about pirating KLF stuff? KLF of all people? I can imagine being anti-pirate about everything EXCEPT KLF. They are the Kopyright Liberation Front right? Shit they're pirates them selves! What do you think 1987 was!?! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremiah \"Spassvogel\" Rickert" Subject: (klf) blackroom mp3's Date: 06 May 1999 22:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Perhaps you should .zip the files so if they have some sort of file scan it won't turn up mp3. Don't mention mp3 anywhere on the page. Just put the name of the track and .zip We can figure it out... jr Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 320 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: (klf) klf Tribute? Date: 07 May 1999 06:49:18 +0100 Steps could cover J+A(mu-mu land) imagine it! 5,6,7,8 they're justified and ancient and they drive an ice cream van (cheesy wink!) cheesy pop video classic i'm sure. ATR could cover just about anything, harden it up a bit, but in a totally different vein than the klf headed. supergrass is a good idea too someone mentioned. someone please tell me what 'Whitchita lineman'(sp?) sounds like? the GC song, not the CO one!! isaac hayes: "i hum this tune, to all the girls i've known (HmmmHmmmmmm... Baby!!) Q. is anything klf/J/B gonna happen at the millenium? Q. is the pyramid still on? anyay, gonna go make up some peice of crap and pretend it's by the klf, 2087 anyone!!!! fatray. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Attila Bujt=?ISO-8859-1?B?4Q==?=s" Subject: (klf) OffTopic/WilliamOrbit Date: 07 May 1999 09:22:38 +0100 Is there anybody who knows where could I find William Orbit Mp3 tracks, rarities...??? ftp, html or hotline??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mute Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 07 May 1999 15:26:24 +1000 Chad Gombosi wrote: > Why would anyone complain about pirating KLF stuff? > > KLF of all people? I can imagine being anti-pirate about everything > EXCEPT > KLF. They are the Kopyright Liberation Front right? > > Shit they're pirates them selves! What do you think 1987 was!?! I think it was a creative use of sampling. They were the Kopyright Liberation Front, not the Copyright Contravention Front. -Mute. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mute Subject: Re: (klf) KLF & Orb? Date: 07 May 1999 15:34:27 +1000 M1 DKZ wrote: > I visited a mate last night and he told me that Alex Patterson of the > Orb used to be a member of the KLF but split just before 1987 came > out. Is this true? No, Jimmy used to be a member of The Orb, but left before Space came out. -Mute. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 14:11:29 -0400 [Thorne, Chris] So if we sent Cleopatra enough emails do you think they would do it? FYI: Their website is http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ > Considering that Cleopatra Records, an Industrial/Darkwave label, is > responsible for most of the cover discs out there, they'd probably do one > in > a heartbeat if it were suggested :) I'd personally like to see EHC cover > All > You Need is Love, and Spahn Ranch cover It's Grim Up North. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mattias Frid Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 07 May 1999 17:13:16 +0200 At 14:11 1999-05-06 -0400, you wrote: > [Thorne, Chris] So if we sent Cleopatra enough emails do you think >they would do it? Aww man, thought you ment the group Cleopatra! =) Cheers! //FRiD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "P. Stokes" Subject: (klf) Wichita lineman Date: 07 May 1999 18:33:39 +0100 I was in HMV Birmingham yesterday lunchtime and Wichita Lineman was playing. It sounded like a 'sit back in the armchair with a pipe in front of the log fire with faithful dog at side' type of song. That was just my perception, so to be more clear it had a crooner singing and sounded quite nostalgic and relaxing. Phil Stokes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ee52kt@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Kyle M Thompson) Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 07 May 1999 18:41:49 +0100 (BST) U>All You Need is Love: Weird Al Yankovic we're having a weird al yankivic night here at uni next wednesday, a freinds of mine's got all 11 of his albums, + DVD videos. unfortunately the football'll be on. should be interesting... i can see people's faces now... kyle (with 3 more weeks at university to go, then it's GRADUATION TIME) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) Jimmy Cauty Date: 07 May 1999 15:47:15 +0200 Does anyone know anything about the Jimmy's background? I mean=20= information like when/where was he born? Where did he grow up etc=2E?=20= Anyone? Mr=2EK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: matthew glidden Subject: (klf) disco2000? Date: 07 May 1999 15:13:22 -0400 was roaming around on an mp3 site and found this compilation called Disco 2000...here's the contents of the txt file which was there: name: Disco 2000 artist: Various Artists cat# BOKA 0002CD (p) (c) 1998 boka Track Listing: file size track length -------------- --------- ------------ 01 - blame - sphere 11838112 8:13 02 - plug - high on the vine 9054303 6:17 03 - witchman - metal beatbox 8062709 5:35 04 - coldcut - atomic moog 2000 (bullet train) 5371546 3:43 05 - u-ziq - millennium hand and shrimp 9333483 6:28 06 - 2K - fuck the millennium 6167828 4:16 07 - jimi tenor - year of the apocalypse 11856912 8:14 08 - glamorous hooligan 8836469 6:08 - disco heist (the theme from Disco 2000) 09 - diskohead kollective - i'm a policeman 8580469 5:57 - (label whore's barely legal mix) 10 - bentley rhythm ace 9827426 6:49 - let there be flutes (alt.mix) 11 - conemelt - dust covered discotheque 10440252 7:15 12 - ken ishii - actio surrealisimo 7664575 5:19 13 - alabama 3 featuring jennie harris - disco 2029 6219156 4:19 - (i've seen the future and it hurts) Welcome to the soundtrack to Disco 2000, a fiction anthology set in the last hours of 1999. As the book collects together some of the most cutting edge cult writers of the late 20th century, this sountrack features their musical counterparts. Disco 2000 is aural science fiction, the sound of strange times. Most of the tunes were specially recorded - theme tunes for bombing runs, suicide cults, media conspiracy and chemical excess. This is a key moment in musical history. Amongst the millennial tunes herein you'll find traces of everything from hip-hop and disco to jungle and jazz. It's time to go beyond divisive genres and celibrate the mutant eclectism of the last days .... read the Sceptre paperback ---- hadn't seen this mentioned before and was just curious..and as for the book; does anyone know if it has any bill/jimmy input? sergio. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Get Your Own Free Pop or Web Based Email and a 10MB Web Site for FREE at: http://www.nettaxi.com! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tripp millican" Subject: Re: (klf) disco2000? Date: 07 May 1999 12:20:17 PDT yes it does. seems i posted info about this (though it was sketchy) a while ago. has a small 2k 'diary' in it about the idea of them taking down stonehenge on dec31 1999/jan 1 2000 while everyone else was partying...import book (least here in the states). i bought mine for the grant morrison story - found it in tower for 16.99. if anyone needs more info, tell me and ill bring it to work...the mp3s comprise the album that was released to go with the book... tripp > hadn't seen this mentioned before and was just curious..and as for the >book; does anyone know if it has any bill/jimmy input? > > sergio. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 07 May 1999 15:57:33 -0400 Message text written by "Chad Gombosi" > Shit they're pirates them selves! What do you think 1987 was!?! < withdrawn for breech of copyright ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah Shobrook" Subject: (klf) Disco 2000 Date: 07 May 1999 20:58:08 +0100 Yeh, Disco 2000 has a chapter by bill drummond 'let's grind' or 'how K2 plant hire went to work', and some other good chapters like 'I'm a Poiceman' by Grant Morrison. I'm new to this list and am interested in obtaining a copy of the disco 2000 CD, but am unsure what is meant by mp3 site noname # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: (klf) disco2000? Date: 07 May 1999 16:18:46 -0400 Message text written by matthew glidden > hadn't seen this mentioned before and was just curious..and as fo= r the book; does anyone know if it has any bill/jimmy input? = < bill drummond - let's grind (or how k2 plant hire ltd went to work) a most ammusing read - made yet better by seeing gimpo's video of certain= events detailed therein (ie the cows and pylons) at the film festival in derby = if memory serves me the film was called "the gift" tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 07 May 1999 14:34:58 PDT I'll start emailing them right now.. . ... Just to see what they're response is! > > [Thorne, Chris] So if we sent Cleopatra enough emails do you think >they would do it? > FYI: Their website is http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rod Gilmour" Subject: RE: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 08 May 1999 11:51:56 +0100 Sorry about the mail giving out the URLs - It wasn't meant to go out. Thanks for all the offer to provide space. No more ! The files will be made availible sometime next week...URL to follow Watch this space..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mute Subject: Re: (klf) disco2000? Date: 08 May 1999 20:13:56 +1000 tripp millican wrote: > yes it does. seems i posted info about this (though it was sketchy) a > while > ago. has a small 2k 'diary' in it about the idea of them taking down > stonehenge on dec31 1999/jan 1 2000 while everyone else was > partying...import book (least here in the states). i bought mine for > the > grant morrison story - So, does Tripp or anyone know if: 09 - diskohead kollective - i'm a policeman 8580469 5:57 - (label whore's barely legal mix) has any Morrison connection? Seeing as it has the same name as his story in the book (which ties in with "...And We're All Policeman" from the Vertigo Winter's Edge comic, if anyone cares). -Mute. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Coward" Subject: (klf) JAMMS appearance on chart show. Date: 08 May 1999 19:56:07 +0100 I remember reading (somwhere) the tale regarding the video shot out of the card window which was then handed over to the chart show for an early single (was it Whitney?). Does anyone know what date the show went out? Cheer, Simon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephane MONTHIEU" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 07 May 1999 00:02:41 PDT > >>>....since the klf used to hide their faces (sometimes), I'm sure >if >there is ever a tribute album, or even band (heaven forbid!), it >will be >BD and JC in disguise. > > >Erika x I think you're right ;) Stephane "Steve M.D." MONTHIEU "Ladies and gentlemen, The KLF has now left the building..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Abel Subject: RE: Ad: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 06 May 1999 18:34:29 +0100 Stuart Bruce [mailto:klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk] wrote: > Last Train To Trancentral: Utah Saints > I Gotta CD _or_ Kylie Said To Jason: Pet Shop Boys > Justified & Ancient: Sunscreem > It's Grim Up North: Underworld with John Lydon > What Time Is Love: Orbital > Mars (from Space): Tangerine Dream > No More Tears: William Orbit with Beth Orton > Downtown: Beastie Boys > Disaster Fund Collection: Freestylers with Kylie Minogue (oh yes) > Build a Fire: Leonard Cohen > Church of the KLF: Sophie B Hawkins > 3:am Eternal: Fatboy Slim sorry about the me too style posting.. but i can hear half of these now... "Kylie Said To Jason: Pet Shop Boys" perfect "It's Grim Up North: Underworld with John Lydon" i want to hear this now! but i thing is missing... itsa gotta have doctorin the tardis... I'd vote for the wonderstuff or pwie if they hadn't both split years ago... have to be gary newman then :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michelle and Stuey Subject: Re: (klf) disco2000? Date: 09 May 1999 12:59:13 +1200 Tim wrote: > bill drummond - let's grind (or how k2 plant hire ltd went to work) > > a most ammusing read - made yet better by seeing gimpo's video of certain > events detailed therein (ie the cows and pylons) at the film festival in > derby - if memory serves me the film was called "the gift" WHAT! I'm sure we never heard this before. You mean the events detailed in the Disco 2000 story are true? I must read it again. Stuey -- Stuart Young and Michelle Ardern, say.map@ihug.co.nz 66a Sackville Street, Tel: +64 (0)9 376 8100 Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Stuey's groovy new website is now open: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: (klf) KCC Date: 08 May 1999 20:34:53 PDT I have DLed K Cera Cera twice now. The first time ot was just the song, the second time it was the song with a extra story tacked on the end told by either one of the guys (not sure which) and it told about how there was a part or something... This brings me to two points: 1: What the hell was this? 2: Where can I get it again? Or any KLF MP3s for that matter. Of all the groups in the world, I have the hardest time getting KLF MP3s. What the hell is this? I know the records themselves are scarce, but many people on the list have the super scarce stuff, and i still can't seem to find the stuff. Mancetral's MP3 section went down before I even saw it, and the only thing I've found online ever that I don;t allready have on CD (which is little) is KCC, and a Last Train... remix. Why are KLF MP3s so hard to find? And if they aren't please show me where to find them. Chad _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jarrod5083@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) disco2000? Date: 09 May 1999 03:49:09 EDT Is there anywhere I can find either a place to order Drummond's books, or any e-texts besides the Manual? (granted, the manual is cool, but other books press upon me)..... Any help would be appreciated...... Jarrod :P # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Jordan Subject: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 09 May 1999 12:18:55 +0100 I have been to a place which seems to have escaped mention in all the possible locations for the White Room. Supposing I told you that in a valley, 10 miles from Bills home there is the following: At one end of the valley, at the top of a very large hill there is the remains of a derelict CHURCH cut into the hillside. "We climbed the mountain............." At the back of the church (the end in the hillside) there is a secret door which leads into caves inside the hill itself. A long corridor leads to a central room which is a large dome approx. 40 feet in diameter. These caves were used by druid priests who dressed in white monks robes while various rituals were performed. The head priest is said to have worn a bulls horn on his forehead. On the front of the robes was a symbol in black. Another corridor leaves the first room and heads steeply downhill to an underground river which flows left to right through a natural tunnel (approx. 50 feet long) into another smaller hidden cavern. The priests had a small LONG BOAT down there which was used to ferry them to the inner cavern for "acts" (sex) which they conducted in secret. This room is circular and is brilliant WHITE with calcium deposits. Without a raft it impossible to reach this room so very few people have ever been down there. "we have been to the place where the mu mu mate, and the children still cry mines a 99" Above the cave on the top of the hill is a small chapel built by the Dashwood family in the 19th century, at the top of the spire there is a giant golden ball which can be seen for miles around like a beacon. Up and down the valley, druid burial mounds scatter the valley floor and at the other end of the valley is a giant PYRAMID with a cross through the top cut into the chalk hillside. This is the same as the symbol on the monks robes. We only know this because a secret society kept up the traditions of the caves up until the 19th century. The whole place is eerily mystical. The final touch is the railway line which runs from Aylesbury to London and goes through the valley. On a Saturday morning a 1930's steam train makes the journey. The model and scenery for the Last Train video is near identical. Perhaps The KLF never found the white room because they couldn't get down there. If anyone is interested I will go back and take pictures, you have to see it for yourselves to realise just how many coincidences there are with the KLF lyrics, plot and imagery. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sfwd" Subject: (klf) klf mp3 Date: 08 May 1999 22:10:44 -0700 had been on the list about a year or two back and recall an excellent ftp server that had some hard to find klf material. any info on the site if its still about would be greatly appreciated (or any info on any sites that involve music heavy use of sampling in general :) thanks much # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mute Subject: Re: (klf) klf mp3 Date: 09 May 1999 21:31:53 +1000 sfwd wrote: > had been on the list about a year or two back and recall an excellent > ftp server that had some hard to find klf material. any info on the > site > if its still about would be greatly appreciated (or any info on any > sites > that involve music heavy use of sampling in general :) www.detritus.net is a good web depository of illegal sample-based music; stuff like 1987, U2 by Negativland (also available from www.negativland.com, of course), Plunderphonics, all available in streaming or downloadable MP3 format. -mute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marshall Dickson Subject: (klf) Still Waiting? Date: 09 May 1999 11:58:00 -0400 Marshall here.... I have had a hell of a life these past few months. I'm getting a divorce, I had another Western Digital Hard Drive crash, and other things too mundane to carry on about. The reason I am writing is, if you have ordered CDs from me and not gotten them yet, PLEASE send me a note with your CURRENT address included and I will send the package out the following day. I have a list of all of your names, and I have crossed off the ones that have been already sent. So no funny stuff! 8^) Thanks once again for bearing with me and my mania afflicted life. I truly am sorry. audio, Marshall p.s. To all who are interested in acquiring copies of the discs who have not ordered previously, stay tuned, as I want to TOTALLY clear my name and reputation with the supporters before promising anything new. -M- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heather steers Subject: Re: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 09 May 1999 16:01:54 +0100 > Above the cave on the top of the hill is a small chapel built by the > Dashwood family in the 19th century, at the top of the spire there is a > giant golden ball which can be seen for miles around like a beacon. OOOH Yes! West Wycombe and the Hellfire caves # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (klf) JAMMS appearance on chart show. Date: 09 May 1999 19:37:04 +0100 -----Original Message----- >I remember reading (somwhere) the tale regarding the video shot out of the >card window which was then handed over to the chart show for an early single >(was it Whitney?). Does anyone know what date the show went out? It was Downtown, but I dont know if it was ever shown. I'd love to see it! Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) JAMMS appearance on chart show. Date: 09 May 1999 23:41:26 +0100 (BST) From the melody maker, 12th December 1987, "Indeed, the new JAMs single, "Downtown", was originally planned to be sample free" ... "With the loose change we had in our pockets, we hired a video and got one of our mates to film us driving in the JAMsmobile to the place where they make 'The Chart Show'. When we got there, we took out the cassette, handed it in at the gate and said that's your video! The next day it was on National TV. It cost us UKP 19.96." The Chart Show, before its sad demise earlier this year, was traditionally broadcast on a Saturday morning, although for several years before that it was on a -- I think -- Thursday evening. Can't be certain which it was at the time of the events above however. DownTown was released early November, the interview must have taken place at the latest the first week of December, so the Chart Show edition must have been mid- to late- November, 1987. Culf. > >I remember reading (somwhere) the tale regarding the video shot out of the > >card window which was then handed over to the chart show for an early > single > >(was it Whitney?). Does anyone know what date the show went out? > It was Downtown, but I dont know if it was ever shown. I'd love to see it! > > Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Gustav Nissen Subject: (klf) MP3's Available Date: 10 May 1999 06:51:34 +0200 Hi there. On this page there is a MP3 avaible. http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/rarity.htm Out again.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 10 May 1999 14:16:49 EDT In a message dated 09/05/99 20:09:02, you write: << > Above the cave on the top of the hill is a small chapel built by the > Dashwood family in the 19th century, at the top of the spire there is a > giant golden ball which can be seen for miles around like a beacon. OOOH Yes! West Wycombe and the Hellfire caves The Hellfire Caves - Site of the wonderful 1992 Crop Circle making competition, hence a small KLF link Best Wishes Alton Barns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: (klf) chill out based recommendations Date: 10 May 1999 14:30:29 EDT ".....these guys mean buisness......we have to trust them......" hello , and good day First off , I am new to the list , so apologys , as I know this has been discussed... KLF chill out is unlike any other albulm I have ever heard. The closest thing to compare would be FFWD...but its not even that close. I dont know if any other cd moves me as much. CAn anyone suggest any other albulms like this one? Does anything exist like this out there???? I am a traveler of the ultraworld , and have come to tap into the collective conscience of others who appreciate music that opens your mind. I am a huge fan of the orb , fsol , aphex , MMW , floyd , ffwd , etc , etc....... I have tons of cds to trade , around 700..... i also have a cd-burner. On another note , I am looking for FSOL , the black ISDN version...not the white one , and not from mp3....also looking for a cd-r of space not from mp3 thanks liquidw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark turner <106713.454@compuserve.com> Subject: (klf) Discography Date: 10 May 1999 15:35:41 -0400 Just a quick one. To whom do we direct Discography updates? Many thanks, Mark Turner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus M Seiner" Subject: (klf) Sale: KLF 12" Picture Disc "Justified and Ancient" Date: 10 May 1999 21:45:11 +0200 Hi! I habe the following for sale 12" Picture Disc : KLF Communications; CHOC ICE 2/KLF 92 PROMO 1) [promo x2000] 5:31 Justified and Ancient (stand by the jams - 12" version) 9:02 America: What Time Is Love? (uncensored version) In mint condition. If you´re interested - mail your offer to : kseiner@edu.uni-klu.ac.at The one with the highest offer will get it (will accept offers for about one week) Klaus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) Mr M Sinclair Date: 10 May 1999 18:16:22 PDT Hello everybody, sorry to take this through the list.. . Could Mark Sinclair please contact me? - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah Shobrook" Subject: (klf) K2 people's pyramid Date: 11 May 1999 11:42:02 +0100 a plea for help, does anyone know an email address for Klf or Bill D? I am researching millennial celebrations as part of a Ph.D. and am searching for a counter cultural site, a place that is not main stream controlled...K2's people's pyramid sounded brilliant but need to know more... can anyone help !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) 2k HMV Date: 11 May 1999 11:46:41 PDT hello everybody >>I was in HMV in Manchester this weekend (no I didn't see the lovely>>Erika >>doing whatever she was doing, it was just coincidence). >>Anyhow if>any of >>you didn't manage to get a copy of 'Fuck the >>Millennium' they>have the >>CD single for 99p in their sale. You have >>to rummage to find>one though. >>Sorry if someone had already >>mentioned this. Need some help.. . Could someone in the Manch area please help me get a bunch of them? Like 5 or 10 or so? Of course I'll pay and also I can give you a KLFvsENT as thanks or a copy of anything in my Kollection... . or cash thankful for answer - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: (klf) of topic, A440 Date: 11 May 1999 11:53:10 PDT hello everybody is there a Apollo 44O mailinglist on the web? If so, where do I find it? - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: (klf) Announce: Mancentral archives return Date: 11 May 1999 21:59:33 +0100 (BST) On behalf of jamm!n: The Sounds archive on Mancentral has returned. Please also note the contents of the Propaganda Of The Day, especially the note about clearing your browser's own cache. The correct URL for Mancentral is: http://quality.gconnect.com/KLF This has been a Quality Of Life Proxy Communication. Culf. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zeljko Stupar" Subject: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 12 May 1999 13:36:57 +0000 I never saw any info about those klf 'T'-speakers? Did KLF designed and made them? BTW, I'm new to this list, and maybe i should say few words about myself.. :) I'm from Yugoslavia(!) - i believe i'm the only one from YU in this list =] I live in Belgrade and I'm 19. you all see what is goin' on here.. it's very groovy at night, must say! it's good to see that many KLF fans don't support KLA.. but our regime is not much better.. radio b92 is closed, one good man is killed and lots of other shit going on.. i can watch fireworks almost every night :) I hope, when this ends, KLF is gonna come to Belgrade again to visit free radio b92 like they did after the last war.. i see that there is only few girls in this list, very sad.. :) seems like girls don't understand the KLF thing! that's all folks :) bye.. Please visit our web site http://www.bg.ac.yu/ or our mirror site http://ubg-mirror.iccs.ntua.gr/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zeljko Stupar" Subject: RE: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Available Date: 12 May 1999 13:36:57 +0000 > >Thorne, Chris] Why not upload the tunes to Fnord? > User name & password ?? What is this 'fnord', some server? how to get password? Please visit our web site http://www.bg.ac.yu/ or our mirror site http://ubg-mirror.iccs.ntua.gr/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 12 May 1999 14:55:37 +0000 Zeljko Stupar wrote: > I never saw any info about those klf 'T'-speakers? > Did KLF designed and made them? No, it's much simpler than that, the "T" is just a pair of PA speakers (possibly made by Bose?), one on top of the other. - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 13 May 1999 07:00:49 +0100 > seems like girls don't understand the KLF thing! neither do boys or sheep or journos or the police or abba etc fatraay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Doig" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 13 May 1999 11:53:33 +0100 > seems like girls don't understand the KLF thing! >neither do boys >or sheep >or journos >or the police >or abba >etc fatraay What did abba say? :) -Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Murray" Subject: RE: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 13 May 1999 16:43:22 +0100 > > seems like girls don't understand the KLF thing! > >neither do boys > >or sheep > >or journos > >or the police > >or abba > >etc > > fatraay > > > What did abba say? :) > We don't like Dancing Queens (or frogs). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) blackroom mp3's Date: 13 May 1999 13:45:04 GMT+0 On 6 May 99 at 22:22, Jeremiah Spassvogel Rickert wrote: > Perhaps you should .zip the files so if they have some sort of file scan > it won't turn up mp3. Don't mention mp3 anywhere on the page. Just put > the name of the track and .zip I did that recently with C++. I zipped it up and called it STUFF.ZIP and put no links to it on my web page. The only way to find it was if you new to type in http://members.xoom.com/the_klf/stuff.zip into your web browser. Why not have it as 1.ZIP 2.ZIP and so on then when we try past the last track we know we've reached the end because it comes up with file not found. Or rename the extension to 1.AUD then we can just rename it back to 1.MP3! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 13 May 1999 13:49:50 GMT+0 > [Thorne, Chris] So if we sent Cleopatra enough emails do you think >they would do it? Quick let's get the e-mail bombers out :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 13 May 1999 13:27:04 GMT+0 On 5 May 99 at 16:03, E.Hatton@plymouth.ac.uk wrote: > >>>weren't Giant an '80's group fomr Liverpool? I think your thinking of They Might Be Giants (had one hit with Birdhouse in Your Soul). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 13 May 1999 12:39:41 +0100 (BST) On Thu 13 May, Chris Doig wrote: > > seems like girls don't understand the KLF thing! neither do boys or > > sheep or journos or the police or abba etc > What did abba say? :) They said "my my!", and then they said "take a chance on me". Then they had some tea, and said "thank you for the music" before splitting up and having mostly quiet seperate lives from then on. More or less. In 1987, however, Abba said "oi! JAMs! Nooooooooooo!" and then went on to say that if all copies of the 1987 album weren't destroyed then Bill and Jimmy would reach their Waterloo and have to cry S.O.S. "Mamma Mia!" said Bill, and a legend was forged. Oh dear. I'm sorry. Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ee52kt@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Kyle M Thompson) Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 13 May 1999 22:51:43 +0100 (BST) they might be giants were merkins, mor liverpool types. ther must be any number of bands with giant in their name!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: (klf) Once in a lifetime Date: 13 May 1999 19:02:57 -0400 greetings on the 20th and 21st of march 1999 i was privileged to join gimpo mad and kevin (is that the energy of love in my shorts or have i just followed through) dean on this years m25 - 25 hour spin whilst orbiting london an exclusive track by jimmy cauty's acoustic armourments association was played as part of the films soundtrack and a conversation ensued about how jimmy was thinking of selling one of his sonic sound system apv's those of you who know me will be well aware that i have spent much of the last decade putting together the most comprehensive collection of KLF (et al) music and memorabilia in the uk (and probably the rest of the world) unable to resist such an opportunity i have in the last few weeks been working to agree a price which both jimmy and i are happy with but needless to say the value of such an item is monumentally high as the sound system alone is worth over 15 thousand uk pounds my driving force for buying the tank is to organise a free 4 day rave over the millenium (31/12 - 3/1) that will rival the last massive free ra= ve that took place on uk soil in 1992 at druggers end near malvern in worcestershire just before the public order and criminal justice bill came into effect needless to say i need to raise some of the funds to get this project moving and so i have dug deep into my collection and picked out one of the previously unreleased and unique recordings that i have and propose to exclusively release the 45 minute track on a strictly limited edition (500 copies only) professionally produced cd sadly the track has no name but is simply marked "made @ 3am = KLF coming down off e" and can best be described as a true ambient house classic every bit the equal (imho) of chill out and waiting if the attraction of having this recording alone is not sufficient motivation each cds individual number will be logged and used in a "raffle style draw" the winning cd owner will be invited along to meet jimmy when he/she may get the cd autographed i am acutely aware that there are still some list members who have not yet received their cds from lsom projects (i count myself in this lis= t) and still others who may have given up all hope of seeing either their cd or money back from mike dutton to those skeptically minded all i can say is that i have been on this lis= t for the best part of 5 years and in that time i have helped many of you find KLF rarities and not so rarities without cause for complaint in eith= er my reliability or punctuality of delivery unfortunately i am also conscious that there is an increased risk that within a short time of the cds release a more industriously minded individual may take it upon him/herself to rip the track to mp3 and drop it onto their website or some other cd collection to avoid confusion here is how the cds release will work : 1. DO NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY NOW 2. if you are interested in supporting this project by buying a cd please= send me a mail with *cd project* as the subject header and the details of your desired order in the message body 3. orders will be received until 23/06/99 or until the cds are sold out (whichever is sooner) 4. after the 23/06/99 all orders will be confirmed along with details for= payment 5. once an order is confirmed you will have 2 weeks to get payment to me (should payment not be received - your order may be reallocated) 6. all paid up orders will despatched from 23/07/99 onwards 7. on the 23/08/99 gimpo will draw the winning cd number and it will be published on the list thereafter 8. interested participants will also be given advance notification of details about the free rave to fuck the millennium the last detail is that of cost - the cd will be priced 25 ukp inclusive = of p+p i realise this is slightly more than the average cost of a cd album here in the uk however this is slightly more than an average cd album i look forward to your future communications thanx for your indulgance tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Kelly" Subject: Re [2] (klf) ricardo ricardo (No KLF content) Date: 13 May 1999 18:07:57 -0400 Nope, They Might Be Giants are from Brooklyn, NY, orginially from Lincoln, Mass (just west of Boston). Neil neil@neilbert.com > On 5 May 99 at 16:03, E.Hatton@plymouth.ac.uk wrote: > > > >>>weren't Giant an '80's group fomr Liverpool? > > I think your thinking of They Might Be Giants (had one hit with > Birdhouse in Your Soul). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) Doctorin' The Tardis on MTV Date: 14 May 1999 7:49:38 +0200 I listened to MTV here the other day (the scandinavian mtv that is),=20= and suddenly I heard Doctorin' The Tardis! MTV have used it for=20= backgroundmusic for their "Exclusive" jingle=2E=2E (The one were thet say=20= that "You heard it first here" etc=2E=2E Quite neet=2E MR=2Ek # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Doig" Subject: (klf) Bizarre Magazine Date: 14 May 1999 15:52:17 +0100 Hi all, I bought the latest Bizarre magazine this morning for an amusin= g read whilst on the train to work. Flicking though the pages they have a feature on Anti-media pranksters,= and they gave mention to done other name Bill Drummond :) Quote... blah..blah...blah...Skaggs feels it is important to be accessible. His willingness to make public appearances and give interviews contrasts sh= arply with the stance taken by ex-KLF money-burner Bill Drummond. "There is n= o point in talking to the media about what I do" he insists. "Journalists are a= lways disappointed to discover I'm a middle-aged family man who is very serio= us about his work" There's a piccy of Bill in action as well. Not much, but thought I'd me= ntion it :) - the rest of the article is pretty cool and worth a read. Can't go = wrong for =A32.70 :) -Chris = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: (klf) off topic need re4cord player suggestions/technics? Date: 14 May 1999 11:17:03 EDT I am purchasing a record player Is it all hype , or is the best one around the technics sl1200 md3 Keep in mind this is not for dj use , I just want the best sound from my player. Any suggestions? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 13 May 1999 22:58:19 +0100 (BST) On Thu 13 May, M1 DKZ wrote: > > On 5 May 99 at 16:03, E.Hatton@plymouth.ac.uk wrote: > > > >>>weren't Giant an '80's group fomr Liverpool? > > I think your thinking of They Might Be Giants (had one hit with > Birdhouse in Your Soul). A few points about They Might Be Giants: they weren't from Liverpool, but from America (or Canada, can't remember which- their sense of humour was certainly Canadian). They definitely had more than one hit; others included "Ana Ng", "Instanbul (Not Constantinople)" and a few others, all in the early 90s rather than the 80s. I've leant my Guiness Book of Hit Singles to a friend so can't currently look up "Giant" but they do sound vaguely familiar, in a before-my-time sort of way... Stuart. -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/UtahSaints # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) off topic need re4cord player suggestions/technics? Date: 14 May 1999 15:06:48 PDT > > I am purchasing a record player >Is it all hype , or is the best one around the technics sl1200 md3 >Keep in mind this is not for dj use , I just want the best sound from my >player. >Any suggestions? > Well the 1200 doesn not have the best sound at all. That award goes the outrageous "True High End" stuff. With these kind of players, you have to buy the turntable, and tone arms seperate, then you need a seperate phono amp if your current amp/preamp does not have a dedicated phono-in and so on and so on. Since the death of vinal, there are now three catagories of record playes. Good, Shit, and DJ. The "Good" catagory was described above. If you have to ask how much something like this costs, you don't have it. One can spend $250 easy just on a tone arm. This kind of thing is reserved for the rich, and the stupid. Or both. The Shit is available at most mainstream applience stores. For $80 you can have a turntable. They are all belt drivven, and have plastic platters, and come with extra shitty cartridges. Unless you're broke, stear clear of this kind of crap. DJ. Well the Techniques 1200s are very solid. How it sounds is largely dependent on the cartrige you use. The reason why DJs like the 1200 is because it's just about bullet-proof, it's heavy, and it's direct drive. Not only that but they only cost about $450, which isn't that bad for something that will last forever. I'd recomend this turntable. I am not a vinal expert or anything, and all of this is from the USA point of veiw, where records died a total death more than 5 years ago. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 14 May 1999 15:12:37 PDT >A few points about They Might Be Giants: they weren't from Liverpool, >but from America (or Canada, can't remember which- their sense of humour >was certainly Canadian). They definitely had more than one hit; others >included "Ana Ng", "Instanbul (Not Constantinople)" and a few others, >all in the early 90s rather than the 80s. My They Might Be Giants Laserdisk video compilation covers just the first two of there albums, and it starts in '86, so I guess you would call them '80s if you had. But they are still making music. They are from either New York, or Jew Jersey, not sure which. They have an answering machine that plays songs if you call it up, and I think this service is still available. The songs are always unavailable on CD, unless they record it again later (like Welcome to the Jungle Gym), or remakes like School Children Singing Particle Man. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: protobleep@wwdg.com Subject: Re: (klf) off topic need re4cord player suggestions/technics? Date: 14 May 1999 16:34:29 -0600 > I am purchasing a record player >Is it all hype , or is the best one around the technics sl1200 md3 >Keep in mind this is not for dj use , I just want the best sound from my >player. >Any suggestions? id recommend the 1200 mk2. it's chassis is metal and direct-drive, very solid, this beast will last forever. it's chassis is quite unsensitive for resonances, the sound depends on what cartridge you use (djs often use ortofon concorde cartridges, for scratch use shure or stantons. these tend to boost the basses, but you'll also get more 'audiophile' cartridges, too) the technics are around the price of 'audiophile' players, but the ease of use and their resistance speaks for the technics. there are many technics-clones around, forget these (i got a jb-systems replica, they're shit). cheers, prt. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: RE: (klf) KLF Tribute? Date: 13 May 1999 23:39:53 -0700 At 01:49 PM 5/13/99 GMT+0, you wrote: > >> [Thorne, Chris] So if we sent Cleopatra enough emails do you think >>they would do it? > >Quick let's get the e-mail bombers out :-) > Hey KLFers, It's not going to happen. I work for Cleopatra Records (no joke.) Your messages were already given to the general manager. Unfortunately, the KLF don't quite sell enough to do a tribute, but i thought it was an interesting thought. If anyone knows how to contact Bill and Jimmy (or whoever owns the rights to the KLF catalog), it might be a good idea to propose reissuing classic KLF material from 87-91. I don't think the Best of the JAMMS is still in print, and there are obviously a ton of KLF mixes out there that could be nicely compiled on a compilation. thanks for the thoughts! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) off topic need re4cord player suggestions/technics? Date: 15 May 1999 01:58:34 EDT > id recommend the 1200 mk2. it's chassis is metal and > direct-drive, very solid, this beast will last forever. I'd appreciate people's thoughts on this as well. I've had my turntable since high school. While it's still pretty good, I'm starting to get paranoid about it so I'm gonna start looking for a new one pretty soon. I'm looking to spend about $500-$700. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle M Thompson Subject: (klf) goodbye Date: 15 May 1999 14:02:59 +0100 (BST) hello, i'm kyle, and i've just left the list. i'm graduating in TWO weeks time after 4 years of elec eng degreeing, and now i must go home to deepest salisbury where they haven't heard of email (well, wehere i'm not willing to pay for dial up connection every day) thankyou to everyone who has sold me CD's, 12"'s, etc. thanks to this list i got to see our heroes at the barbican, becuase we were in there early with the news, i have got lots of rare tracks that i wouldn't have ever heard if it hadn't been for marshall and some bloke from israel. and more importantly we've discussed utter crap too, which is what it's all about. i said i said goodbye, but accept the contradictions. goes with the sickle. . \ ` ' / . | I'll get you any deal that you like | ._` __^__ '_. | ten sweets for a mountain bike you like | [()=()] | *******http://welcome.to/kyleweb******* | /_____\ | Kyle Thompson | justified | kylet@bigfoot.com | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hutchins Subject: (klf) Space for sale at Esprit Date: 15 May 1999 12:11:06 -0400 Hi everybody. I just thought that I would let everyone know that Esprit has a vinyl copy of Space for sale at http://www.eil.co.uk/eil/klf.txt -Dan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: (klf) TMBG Date: 15 May 1999 21:13:48 +0100 >I think your thinking of They Might Be Giants (had one hit with >Birdhouse in Your Soul). > > TMBG, not exactly off topic because they were (are?) heavily into discordianism. check out any of their lyrics and you'll find fnords, confuses, reverse thought loops etc etc. Apollo 18; wasn't that where "9,8 ignition sequence start ....." came from? (its a tmbg album, too) fatray. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: protobleep@wwdg.com Subject: Re: (klf) TMBG Date: 15 May 1999 20:16:35 -0600 > Apollo 18; wasn't that where "9,8 ignition sequence start ....." came from? > (its a tmbg album, too) > fatray. i got apollo 18, can't remember the sample. let's say the sample comes from nasa rocket launches. prt. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: Re: (klf) ricardo ricardo Date: 16 May 1999 06:06:18 -0700 (PDT) hi all about the giants thing with ricardo-the band is actually called G.I.A.N.T.-i dont know why it has all the full stops (maybe it stands for something-any good suggestions?) dale from n-trance doesnt know either fredsinclair@yahoo.com Mark "the knowledgeable" Sinclair _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (klf) FA: Whitney Joins 12"(JAMS24T) & Bill Drumond solo LP Date: 16 May 1999 18:18:57 -0400 Hello again. I currently have a couple more JAMS/KLF items up for auction on eBay: JAMS - Whitney Joins The Jams UK 1 sided 12" (JAMS 24T) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105008804 Bill Drummond - "The Man" Solo LP from 1989 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105007280 Still a few KLF & Synthpop items available on my website: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm More to be added soon.... Again, thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 15 May 1999 16:56:49 GMT+0 > >or abba > >etc > What did abba say? :) I think you've spelt say wrong it should be What did Abba SUE?!! and the answer you are looking for is The KLF over 1987 which caused them to dissapear of to stockholm with an award for Abba (which was later dished out to a stockholm prostitute!) in search of Abba and when they couldn't find them they give the award away, burnt all but about 3 remaining copies of 1987, came back to Britain, re-sampled 1987 without Dancing Queen and re-labeled it as 1987 - The Edits. Okay? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: margaret_allsop@derwentside.ac.uk (Margaret Allsopp) Subject: (klf) this is michael kennedy Date: 17 May 1999 12:59:06 +0100 someone on this list called paul sent me a cd with the talla xlc mixes of wtil and uptight 12" mixes etc in exchange for black room my e mail is working at the minute and have not been able to read any e mails you might have sent i asked you for your adress last week and as my e mail is not working could you please send your address to this e mail address and i'll forward the cd asap your cd is ready to go as soon as i get your address thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daniel Subject: (klf) Download Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 12:27:48 -0500 (CDT) thanks to blackroom@scotland.to I have received the black room mp3s. These mp3s will be available for download until Weds at midnight. After that they will be taken down and I will not distribute further. Please download one mp3 at a time. Also if there are problems with any of the files let me know. I do not mean quality, I mean if they are incomplete. Most of the files have been tested. where to get: http://monkey.eliteware.com/klf.html remember after midnight weds they will be gone. -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tripp millican" Subject: (klf) Downloaded Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 11:07:35 PDT daniel thank you for offering these up. im glad to have the opportunity to hear them. no offense to you either (and you didnt make these so hopefully you wouldnt take offense) but they are shite. having been on the list for a while and hearing the whole thing come to light and what-have-you i have heard where they came from and the sound quality and all that, so i dont mean the mp3s or the quality, but the music itself. this isnt even close to being groundbreaking or even very good. either this is a *very* rough cut or else its a fake. kinda odd that they only track that has vocals at all (at least that i noticed as i skimmed through them) is 3am eternal. and thats already been released...it is just the etn version, right? (im at work and cant check). everything else sounds as if it was recorded in a garage some afternoon by a bunch of 9th graders. im certainly no expert, but i have read that black room had been descibed as 'brillant' - and im no sound engineer but i would never descibe these as brillant. nice try, but...next. tripp _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: Re: (klf) Downloaded Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 20:09:08 +0100 >it is just the etn version, right? (im at work and cant check). yeah, i think so. still downloading them all...... fatray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daniel Subject: Re: (klf) Downloaded Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 17 May 1999, tripp millican wrote: > > daniel > thank you for offering these up. im glad to have the opportunity to hear > them. no offense to you either (and you didnt make these so hopefully you > wouldnt take offense) but they are shite. > no offense taken. I actually agree with you. I have my suscpicions about their authenticity. But it is all we have at the moment... -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daniel Subject: Re: (klf) Download Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 15:13:37 -0500 (CDT) I haven't had any problems downloading with netscape. Try right clicking on the file and choose save as. perhaps your using an old version of netscape? Anyone else having problems? -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 16:54:03 -0400 Thanks, Daniel, for hosting these. If the KLF had actually released this, well... It's not *awful*, but it's no Chill Out either. If Extreme Noise Terror sounds anything like the version of 3AM Eternal that they did (which is repeated here), then it sounds like instrumental versions of their songs. Not bad, but not necessarily anything I would play more than once or twice. "Deep Shit" and "The Black Room" are actually pretty decent, and "3AM" is great, but I think that's primarily because of its origination more than anything else. The rest of it doesn't really grab me at all. I thought "38" had words. Weren't they floating around once? I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were fake, though. None of it sounds like "It's Grim Up North," at any rate. Does anyone else's play in such a way that the bitrate constantly changes throughout playback? -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation sleepy people | network down http://www.newsedge.com http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 22:05:27 +0100 ----->Thanks, Daniel, for hosting these. >If the KLF had actually released this, well... It's not *awful*, but >it's no Chill Out either. If Extreme Noise Terror sounds anything like >the version of 3AM Eternal that they did (which is repeated here), then >it sounds like instrumental versions of their songs. yeah, i agree. it sounds like ENT. >I thought "38" had words. Weren't they floating around once? yeah, there in the faq. >Does anyone else's play in such a way that the bitrate constantly >changes throughout playback? > yeah, bizzarre isnt it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Gschwend" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 00:04:16 +0200 (CDT) On Mon, 17 May 1999 16:54:03 -0400, Adam J Weitzman wrote: >"Deep Shit" and "The Black Room" are actually pretty decent, and "3AM" >is great, but I think that's primarily because of its origination more >than anything else. The rest of it doesn't really grab me at all. I just gave the MP3's to my cousin which is a metal freak, see what he wrote: ---snip--- hmmm still listening to klf it sounds as if they'd listened to half an hour of pantera half an hour of motorhead half an hour of slayer half an hour of body count and half an hour of some soundtrack whose name escapes me now ;) (all this under massive influence of certain chemical substances) and then sat onto their samplers and sequencers and produced this :-)) ... everything sounds like some song fragment one of these that always turn around in your head and you never quite find out where they belong anyway, the (thrash) metal feeling is 100% there for "other" metal it lacks a bit of "inspiration" ---snip--- cu Adrian --- Adrian Gschwend @ OS/2 Netlabs ICQ: 22419590 ktk@netlabs.org ------- The OS/2 OpenSource Project: http://www.netlabs.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ray telford" Subject: (klf) black room 3am lyrics? Date: 17 May 1999 23:42:48 +0100 what are the lyrics to ENT 3am/ black room 3AM? ta, fatary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Sulston Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 17 May 1999 11:33:36 +0100 M1 DKZ wrote: > > What did abba say? :) > I think you've spelt say wrong it should be What did Abba SUE?!! > and the answer you are looking for is The KLF over 1987 which caused > them to dissapear of to stockholm with an award for Abba (which was > later dished out to a stockholm prostitute!) in search of Abba and > when they couldn't find them they give the award away, burnt all but > about 3 remaining copies of 1987, came back to Britain, re-sampled > 1987 without Dancing Queen and re-labeled it as 1987 - The Edits. Don't suppose anyone has an approximate value for a copy of 1987, do they? :) Oh - and hello all - I'm new to here. Umm - I like the KLF (JAMS etc..). err.. That's 'bout it really.... :) -- +--Tom Sulston--------------------------------+ | ICQ# - 31612067 bsumq@csv.warwick.ac.uk | | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~bsumq/Index.htm | +---------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 00:39:16 +0100 At 16:54 17.5.1999 -0400, Adam J Weitzman wrote: >Does anyone else's play in such a way that the bitrate constantly >changes throughout playback? that just means they were encoded in Variable Bitrate, probably using the Xing encoder. sounds good from what little I've tried it on. smaller files and still good quality Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://www.kosmic.org/~nemesis1 Free Your Mind - Remove the Brain :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jose f pabon coe stnt Subject: Re: (klf) Download Black room mp3s Date: 17 May 1999 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) I just dowmloaded deepshit and 38 through Netscape and the files seem to be corrupt when I play them. Is there some trick to d/l'ing files through a browser or are the files just damaged? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Download Black room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 00:02:40 PDT The files are fine. Something is wrong at your end. Make sure you have a new player since these files have variable sampling rates. And now, my fealings about what we are made to believe is The Black Room: What an elephantine pile. I suppose that these could be studio remix elements recorded for the purpose of sampling later, and twisting into something much cooler, but as they stand they are just bad metal. I expected something so harsh and NIN/Aphex Twin like that it would be just unlistnable, caustic noise. I got Garage days re-re-re-reviseted. They could also be very fake. The ENT version of 3am Eternal is neat, but that's about as far as it goes. The rest sounds like 8th graders to me. What's the story behind these files anyway? Who suposedly got ahold of Black Room stuff, and how did they supossedly do it? I've always had a fealing that the Black Room was total vaporware. I guess I still feal this way. Certain listers who are tight with Bill and Jimmy should be able to verify the authenticity of these tracks right? Oh, and by the way. Even though it's shite, I'm very glad I got to here them. Thanks to all involved with putting up these files. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Attila Bujt=?ISO-8859-1?B?4Q==?=s" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 10:00:29 +0100 ...and suddenly we can get the legendary Black Room... C'mon man!!!!. Isn't it suspicious? (...and that 2987... same thing.) Be honest... those trax are SHIT, nothing else. I could make much better if I had only one night free... THESE ARE ALL FAKE! YOU BETTER THINK OF IT! (Maybe it's an ENT Demo...) BooyT. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 05:39:00 EDT > ...and suddenly we can get the legendary Black Room... > > C'mon man!!!!. Actually, I don't think anyone fully belived it was Black Room to begin with (I certainly didn't) but, if someone pops up saying they have a copy of course we all have to give a listen and form our own opinions. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 18 May 1999 12:35:34 GMT+0 > I never saw any info about those klf 'T'-speakers? > Did KLF designed and made them? Hitachi made a pair of speakers identical to them so I don't think they were designed and made by the KLF. Although with the Hitachi speakers you have to put one speaker on top of the other slant ways to create the T-Shape. I bought them mainly because they look identical to the KLF speakers. They even have two speakers inside them although this was a common feature of speakers in 1987. I think the were mainly used for the big flat record players (the ones with tape decks and radios at the side of the player instead of under the player. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: Re: (klf) Disco 2000 Date: 18 May 1999 13:01:32 GMT+0 > I'm new to this list and am interested in obtaining a copy of the disco 2000 > CD, but am unsure what is meant by mp3 site MP3s or MP3z are a way that people pirate music over the net. Basically you take the original from a CD and rip it using something like audiograbber. This then stores the data into a file on your hard drive (the only difference is this file can be of any quality sometimes higher than CD). You can then play back the MP3 file using a utility on your computer like WinAMP. The only problem is to play it back on a none computer CD player you need to either a. Own a CD-R drive or b. Own a MP3 CD Player MP3 CD Players are very rare (but sony are on about realising a MiniDisc which can play MP3s/MP4s (new MP version with piracy prevention rubbish in that they claim you cannot hack (bullshit!)) The main difference between MP3 and CD-Audio is that you can fit more on a disc. An average CD-R will hold about 20 CD-Audio tracks in red book format (CD-Audio format), whereas a CD-R will hold about 200 MP3 tracks as each MP3 is about 3 Mb instead of the 25 Mb which is used with a CD-Audio track. The MP3 technology came about from the MPEG or MPG on Windows based systems files. With an MPG file you get pictures and audio both compressed down onto a small file (smaller than storing it as raw information i.e. a 250Mb 5 min video clip could be squashed down to about 5mb!) then someone thought instead of storing pictures and audio what would happen if we just compressed audio so it could be used as a replacement for CD-Audio. They managed to take the pictures out of the MPEG files and just put pure audio in and found that what was once very large (50mb for 3 mins of DAT quality recording, higher than CD-Audio) becomes very small using this compression algorithm (3Mb for 3 mins of DAT quality recording). CD quality is 14.4Mhz sampling rate DAT quality is 28.8Mhz sampling rate. Luckily this replacement of CD-Audio hasn't happened yet due to it being to easy to pirate (just drag the audio file onto your computer and hey presto! one pirate copy of your favourite song!) but Sony are working on a way round this with MP4 this will really p*** them off when someone finds out how to crack it. For more info on MP3s check out www.mp3.com and www.mpeg.org and do a web search through www.webcrawler.com for mp3. If you have a CD-R on your computer you can even record the MP3s back to CD-Audio by finding a convertor to turn them into PCM WAV files first (try Acid WAV) then writing them to a CD and as MP3 players are about 2000ukp over a CD-R which is now 169ukp this is the cheaper way of listening to your MP3s on the move. The difference betweeen MP3s and MP3z is MP3z are mainly found on really bad illegal web sites (ones filled with Warez, Gamez, Appz, Serialz etc) and the MP3s are usually legal copies that the bands have allowed. MP3s can be downloaded and played on most computers (If you search for DosAMP at www.download.com you can even play MP3s in DOS!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M1 DKZ Subject: (klf) Over and out... Date: 18 May 1999 12:06:17 GMT+0 So this is it 3 years after starting a course at UCLAN I am now finishing :-(. Unfortunatly after this the only e-mail access I will have will be through my free web e-mail accounts :-( so I am going to unsubscribe from this list. If anyone wants to contact me they can e- mail me at any of these addresses THE.KLF@USA.NET PC_DOCTOR@BIGFOOT.COM or browse my web site at http://members.xoom.com/the_klf or http://members.tripod.com/reddwarf_2 or contact me on amatuer radio callsign M1DKZ (usually around Warrington/Stockport repeater) D.FORSTER1 has now left the building. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pebarret Subject: RE: (klf) black room 3am lyrics? Date: 18 May 1999 14:28:37 +0100 -----Original Message----- what are the lyrics to ENT 3am/ black room 3AM? ta, fatary This is going from memory as I'm studying in Crete at the moment, far away from my record collection, but I always thought the words were KLF going on Rock TV Christmas in and now you see me Queen's speech, Sound of Music Take the JAMs now don't refuse it Down with the crew crew Talking 'bout the mu mu Justified Noise Terror who knew Got to seek everywhere you turn just points to the fact that time is eternal. All the refrences to christmas are because it was recorded for the festive edition of Top of the pops. The queen's speech and 'Sound of music' is typical XMas day TV. The second verse is almost identicle to the second verse of the 'Live at the SSL' mix. paul edward dafydd barrett "Life kid, suck the box" "If you don't want me to destroy you, take a leaf out of my book, turn it 'round and have a look" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xav" Subject: RE: (klf) Disco 2000 Date: 18 May 1999 15:26:51 +0200 >If you have a CD-R on your computer you can even record the MP3s back >to CD-Audio by finding a convertor to turn them into PCM WAV files >first (try Acid WAV) then writing them to a CD and as MP3 players are >about 2000ukp over a CD-R which is now 169ukp this is the cheaper way >of listening to your MP3s on the move. I have a RIO and it cost me little under $200. Cheers Xav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) Disco 2000 Date: 18 May 1999 15:06:17 +0000 Ouch! I'll try and be gentle here.... > ...b. Own a MP3 CD Player... the point of MP3 players like the diamond rio is that they DONT have a CD. They have practically no moving parts at all - all the music data is held on chip, hence the smaller size, better reliability/shakability and lower power usage. > ...each MP3 is about 3 Mb instead of the 25 Mb which is used > with a CD-Audio track... MP3s and audio files vary in size. CD audio uses (very roughly) 10Mb/Minute, but MP3 files can be coded at a number of different quality settings; the worse the sound, the smaller the file. Because MP3 works by throwing away data, an MP3 will always be worse quality than the original it is coded from - so don't expect MP3s to sound as good as CDs! Some people don't notice the drop in quality too much, others can't stand hearing MP3s at all, it's a matter of taste, and the quality of the software that was used to compress the files. > ...CD quality is 14.4Mhz sampling rate > DAT quality is 28.8Mhz sampling rate.... CDs are 44.1Khz (not Mhz!)/16 bit, DATs usually give the option of 48, 44.1 and 32Khz/16bit > ...MP3 players are about 2000ukp... 169-199ukp > ...MP3s are usually legal copies that the bands have allowed... 99% of them are emphatically NOT legal, that's why the record companies are so worked up about MP3. - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) Once in a lifetime Date: 18 May 1999 07:09:37 PDT Hello everybody, this was written earlier >From: Positive Void Communications >To: "'klf@xmission.com'" >Subject: (klf) Once in a lifetime >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:02:57 -0400 > > >on the 20th and 21st of march 1999 i was privileged to join gimpo >mad and kevin (is that the energy of love in my shorts or have i >just followed through) dean on this years m25 - 25 hour spin and so on >to avoid confusion here is how the cds release will work : >1. DO NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY NOW >2. if you are interested in supporting this project by buying a cd >please>send me a mail with *cd project* as the subject header and the >details Is anyone going to ´order´ the cd? I thought there was going to be a huge discussion about this one on the list, but I haven´t seen anything.. . other klf: bought "american pensioners on ecstacy" cd with Bill´s "the manager" on it in my local record store yesterday, havent seen it there before I was DJing at a big schooldance thing a couple of weeks ago, I nicely decorated the place with a bunch of FTMposters, I played a kinda pitchupversion of WTIL ( white room version) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paw17" Subject: (klf) re: once in a lifetime Date: 18 May 1999 19:05:19 +0100 hi klfer's, i'm new to the list and must say i've found it most interesting... i'm into the klf and related (since 91) and i'm always interested to see/hear/collect more. i'm hoping someone may be able to he= lp me with an mp3 problem, but first this... David Lindgren wrote, reference the Pos Void Com cd offer; >Is anyone going to =B4order=B4 the cd? i've 'ordered' the cd... (any reasons as to why i shouldn't have ?) and ref mp3's: i'm having trouble downloading songs (i tried rarity of th= e week and Mancentral sound archives), they start to download (saved to my = C drive) but i never manage a full job - either my server resets or i get a "complete" download in seconds of a coupla hundred kb's (- the best i've = had so far was the 3am "rarity of the week" an' that was just over 1 min. of audio)... i know this isn't strictly klf business (it is if you're only trying to get klf mp3's) but any assistance would be much appreciated. hail discordia! paul, junc.17 paw17@breathemail.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: Re: (klf) re: once in a lifetime Date: 18 May 1999 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) hi all-i ordered the cd, got no reply from the original sender that my order had been recieved-i hope it got posted-was every one who ordered the cd just assuming that he will have the order? also can we foward this message onto people who we think may want the cd-or not? if not why not? fredsinclair@yahoo.com Mark "the full of questions" Sinclair > David Lindgren wrote, reference the Pos Void Com cd > offer; > >Is anyone going to ´order´ the cd? > i've 'ordered' the cd... (any reasons as to why i > shouldn't have ?) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: (klf) JAMS Date: 18 May 1999 15:01:35 EDT Yesterday I found a record... I believe it was a 12" it was the Jams , and there was a police car in the lower corner. I had to run , being paged from my work , and didnt have time to look it over or listen. Can anyone tell me if this is worth getting , or would anyone like me to purchase it for them?chris? : ) liquidw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: Re: (klf) re: once in a lifetime Date: 18 May 1999 16:47:54 -0400 firstly can i say thanks to everyone who has mailed me with their orders for the cd i have not been able to reply to any of your mails directly as yet but do intend to sort this before the weeks up since posting in the early hours of last friday i have been overwhelmed by your responce i have read each mail and can see that there is an incredible groundswell of support for the whole project to those who have asked if it's ok to tell off list friends about the project the answer is most certainly yes - this project is happening (with your help) i'm not absolutely certain as to the exact number of members there are on this list but i know over 18000 people voted to fuck the millennium so feel free to spread the word wherever you will to those who have offered to be more envolved with the actual event i will be contacting you in the near future further communication assured tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Mann@student.shu.ac.uk (David Mann) Subject: Re(2): (klf) Download Black room mp3s Date: 18 May 1999 22:02:55 +0100 >The files are fine. Something is wrong at your end. Make sure you have a >new >player since these files have variable sampling rates. I think I'll actually export to wav and re-encode at 256kbps, cause i'm not surei like this variable compression thing (and NAD doesnt support it:( > >And now, my fealings about what we are made to believe is The Black Room: >What an elephantine pile. pass the shovel:) > >I expected something so harsh and NIN/Aphex Twin like that it would be >just >unlistnable, caustic noise. I got Garage days re-re-re-reviseted. Yeah... from the description in the FAQ, I was expecing Utah Saints crossed with NIN and WTIL: America, and the lyrics for DeepShit(?) recorded there don't seem to match any of the songs people have mentioned IGUN, but AFAIR, TBR wasn't meant to be heavy techno. I'm more worried about the fact that it doesnt appear to have any mixing/sampling/usual KLF stuff in at all One of them actually sounds like Alice Cooper, just wish I could remember which song:) >Certain listers who are tight with Bill and Jimmy should be able to >verify >the authenticity of these tracks right? lets all go call at jimmy's house and have him play it thru one of his saracens:) > >Oh, and by the way. Even though it's shite, I'm very glad I got to here >them. Thanks to all involved with putting up these files. Too right cheers, guys juice # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 18 May 1999 20:20:46 PDT > > I never saw any info about those klf 'T'-speakers? > > Did KLF designed and made them? > >Hitachi made a pair of speakers identical to them so I don't think >they were designed and made by the KLF. Although with the Hitachi >speakers you have to put one speaker on top of the other slant ways >to create the T-Shape For crying out loud! It's a picture of two speakers sitting on top of each other. There is no "T" shapped speaker. They aren't even sitting straight! It's not even suposed to LOOK like one speaker. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: (klf) MP3s Date: 18 May 1999 21:21:17 PDT There was some truly interesting info here (I didn't know about the DOS MP3 player!), but a great deal of errors so I'll try to clear things up a bit. >MP3s or MP3z are a way that people pirate music over the net. You realy phrased that badly. MP3 is a digital audio format. It let's you fit CD quality audio in a file 1/10th the size. You made it sound like MP3 were created for, and are used for the sole purpose of pirating which is not true at all. A marvel of enginerring? Not realy. CDs use no compression whatsoever because when CD players were first made ('81) making de-compression chips that worked fast enough was very dificult, and expensive, if not impossible. Plus a 5" CD is a lot smaller than a 12" record (even if a lot less romantic), and a lot better sounding than a cassette. >Basically you take the original from a CD and rip it using something >like audiograbber. This then stores the data into a file on your >hard drive (the only difference is this file can be of any quality >sometimes higher than CD). Not if it comes from a CD. If you take a CD and sample it into a higher bit rate file, you get added noise. You can't make music from nothing. However due to the way players antialias the sound, it often sounds better. It's not more acurate however. Kind of like how a 300 dpi scanner can claim to scan at 9600 dpi even though it's impossible with it's current optical set up. It just makes a 9600 dpi file out of a 300 dpi file. The only problem is to play >it back on a none computer CD player you need to either > >a. Own a CD-R drive or >b. Own a MP3 CD Player What the keck is a MP3 CD player? If you meen a portable MP3 player, such as the Diamond Rio, it has nothing to do with CD. It has no moving parts at all except the switches. > >MP3 CD Players are very rare (but sony are on about realising a >MiniDisc which can play MP3s/MP4s Are you sure they are using an actual disk? A minidisk only holds 100 MB uncompressed. (new MP version with piracy >prevention rubbish in that they claim you cannot hack (bullshit!)) > No kidding! I love it when companies try this. DVD was two years late because they were so busey trying to make a super encrypted region, Macrovision ect, and then the tech nerds hacked it in a month. >The main difference between MP3 and CD-Audio is that you can fit more >on a disc. An average CD-R will hold about 20 CD-Audio tracks in red >book format (CD-Audio format), whereas a CD-R will hold about 200 MP3 >tracks as each MP3 is about 3 Mb instead of the 25 Mb which is used >with a CD-Audio track. To be more acurate, CD audio is about 10 MB per second, and a MP3 is about 1/10th that depending on the redundency of the file. The above example is (I guess) using two and a half minute songs as an example, and I don't think that the KLF have very many 2.5 minute songs. > >The MP3 technology came about from the MPEG or MPG on Windows based >systems files. Actualy MPEG stands for Motion Picture Experts Group and has nothing to do with Microsoft, or windows. DVDs use MPEG2 (specialy compressed all to hell) With an MPG file you get pictures and audio both You can use video, or audio, or both. then someone thought instead of storing pictures and >audio what would happen if we just compressed audio so it could be >used as a replacement for CD-Audio. Not realy. One could always make MPEGs of audio only. >CD quality is 14.4Mhz sampling rate >DAT quality is 28.8Mhz sampling rate. It is important to note that DAT uses a higher word lenth (I think) od 20 bits, instead of 16 for CD. Not sure of this though > >Luckily this replacement of CD-Audio hasn't happened yet due to it >being to easy to pirate Not to mention being just about impossible to market, package, and sell. >If you have a CD-R on your computer you can even record the MP3s back >to CD-Audio by finding a convertor to turn them into PCM WAV files >first (try Acid WAV) then writing them to a CD and as MP3 players are >about 2000ukp over a CD-R which is now 169ukp this is the cheaper way >of listening to your MP3s on the move. Just as a note, in the US one can get a MP3 portable player for about $179, and a shitty CDR for about $139. These prices are if you know where to look. > >The difference betweeen MP3s and MP3z is MP3z are mainly found on >really bad illegal web sites (ones filled with Warez, Gamez, Appz, >Serialz etc) and the MP3s are usually legal copies that the bands >have allowed. An MP3 is an MP3. The difference is you put a "z" in it. If I call it a Super God Master AU File Deluxe Alpha it's still an MP3. > >MP3s can be downloaded and played on most computers (If you search >for DosAMP at www.download.com you can even play MP3s in DOS!) > > I'm going to have to try this! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephane MONTHIEU" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room mp3s Date: 19 May 1999 00:55:40 PDT > >I thought "38" had words. Weren't they floating around once? > Yes, I remember read this somewhere, it was some extracts from Bill... Stephane "Steve M.D." MONTHIEU "Ladies and gentlemen, The KLF has now left the building..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Poirier Subject: (klf) Totally Off Topic - MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 10:57:31 +0100 > >CD quality is 14.4Mhz sampling rate > >DAT quality is 28.8Mhz sampling rate. This is just plain wrong as far as I know. CDs are sampled at 44khz, and DAT can be sampled at 44 or 48khz. I think you got modems confused with CD players and such. Dave. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 10:31:55 +0000 Chad Gombosi wrote: > It is important to note that DAT uses a higher word lenth (I think) od 20 > bits, instead of 16 for CD. Not sure of this though Actually they both use 16 bit. You are probably thinking of minidisc, which samples at 18 bit. It's a matter of opinion as to the quality gained by sampling at 18 bit, IMHO the extra resolution is probably just there to compensate somewhat for the inaccuracy of the lossy compression, but it has been capitalised on by the marketing department. - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eatherington, Mark" Subject: (klf) newbie info request ! Date: 19 May 1999 13:58:27 +0100 Hi there, as a newbie to the list, I'll keep this short: Does the black album exist? If so, is it on MP3 anywhere? Better still, is it available to buy anywhere? Ta, Evo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Quartley Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 09:55:21 -0400 > What the keck is a MP3 CD player? If you meen a portable MP3 player, such as > the Diamond Rio, it has nothing to do with CD. It has no moving parts at all > except the switches. You should take a look at the emerging hardware at: http://www.mp3.com/hardware/#tethered which lists MPEG CD and hard-disk players, noteworthy product is at: http://www.empeg.com - "People often confuse difficulty with time." ==================================================== Jerry Quartley.....................jrq@interport.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 14:08:51 +0100 At 21:21 18.5.1999 -0700, Chad Gombosi wrote: > The only problem is to play it >>back on a none computer CD player you need to either >> >>a. Own a CD-R drive or >>b. Own a MP3 CD Player > >What the keck is a MP3 CD player? If you meen a portable MP3 player, such as >the Diamond Rio, it has nothing to do with CD. It has no moving parts at all >except the switches. > >>MP3 CD Players are very rare (but sony are on about realising a >>MiniDisc which can play MP3s/MP4s http://mp3.com/hardware/ if you look closely there, and check out some of the links there, then you can see some products which sound like portable mp3 cd players. I for one would love to get my hands on one :) ...especially since my Discman is getting real crappy these days, skips too much :P I love the idea of burning a cd full of my own choice of mp3d music and be able to listen to 1 cd for the whole working day, never needing to swap cds or carry around a big pile of cds like I used to do ,) Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://www.kosmic.org/~nemesis1 Free Your Mind - Remove the Brain :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 00:47:06 -0500 At 09:21 PM 5/18/99 PDT, you wrote: >>MP3 CD Players are very rare (but sony are on about realising a >>MiniDisc which can play MP3s/MP4s > >Are you sure they are using an actual disk? A minidisk only holds 100 MB >uncompressed. It's 140mb, but your point is correct. Since Minidisc already uses an MP3-like compression algorithm to store music (called ATRAC), you wouldn't be able to store considerably more music on a MD player with MP3 than with minidisc's native compression format (unless you recorded at a lower-quality bitrate, resulting in poor sound). Technically, you can record MP3s digitally onto Minidisc already: you can use the digital audio outs of some sound cards to go straight into the digital in of a MD recorder with the only loss being any additional ATRAC compression artifacts. Still takes 72 minutes to record, uh, 72 minutes of music, though. With 96mb Rios coming into the channel for $349, minidisc players are making less and less sense. Minidisc players are bulkier, heavier, more delicate, use more power, aren't skip=proof (the only way you can make a Rio skip is, uh, accidentally hit the pause key twice), and it takes longer to record onto a minidisc (transfer 72 minutes of music onto a Rio, and it takes 5-10 minutes. With a Minidisc, it takes 72). CD MP3 players are an interesting concept, but there's still the problem of size (after using a Rio, you just think CD players are much too big), skipping, and the extended process of recording CDs (faster than minidisc, slower than the Rio). But the memory capabilities would be outstanding. And just for reference, my primary use for MP3 is in a fully legal sense: much of my fairly sizable CD collection is on my PC, where I can cue what I'm listening to from my desk, access the files to listen to them at work, or zap them into my Rio if I want to take it into the car... or, on vacation, I could even dial in and get one or two if I really wanted to listen. I don't think of MP3 as being a "pirate" format, I think of it as an easy way of making the music I like easily accessable wherever I am because the files are small enough to fit on modern electronic media. >No kidding! I love it when companies try this. DVD was two years late >because they were so busey trying to make a super encrypted region, >Macrovision ect, and then the tech nerds hacked it in a month. Actually, Macrovision and region encoding on DVDs is not the same as DVD encryption. Both Macrovision and region encoding on DVDs are just a couple of 8-bit settings -- that's why they were so easy to hack. The hold-up was the debate as to whether to do the above at all, not the technical logistics of actually doing it. >>Luckily this replacement of CD-Audio hasn't happened yet due to it >>being to easy to pirate > >Not to mention being just about impossible to market, package, and sell. ROM cards, man. ROM cards. I await anxiously the day that I can walk into Best Buy, buy a ROM card for $12 of my favorite artist, and slide it into my RIO. Mark my words, that's the future. And I'm not talking some weird-ass utopian future, that's -really- what's going to happen in a few years. The SmartMedia flash cards for the Rio are really, really cool (the size of a large stamp, thinner than a credit card, hold their information without a power source), and they can do the same thing read-only much cheaper. >>The difference betweeen MP3s and MP3z is MP3z are mainly found on >>really bad illegal web sites (ones filled with Warez, Gamez, Appz, >>Serialz etc) and the MP3s are usually legal copies that the bands >>have allowed. > >An MP3 is an MP3. The difference is you put a "z" in it. If I call it a >Super God Master AU File Deluxe Alpha it's still an MP3. It'z juzt that the 13-year oldz think that the letter z is much "cooler," "harder edged" and "cyberpunk" than the letter s. OK, ObKLF! I listened to the Black Room MP3s (oop, MP3z) yesterday, and well... They were exactly what I expected. Why? They sounded a lot like ENT doing 3am Eternal, just without vocals. I think we all had unreasonably high expectations just because B&J are in the habit of doing really, really cool things, then limiting (accidentally or intentionally) the availability of those cool things (X-Ref: WROST, Space, 1987, their entire back catalogue). So, since The Black Room is the most mysterious thing they've limited the release on, it must be uber-cool, right? I don't think so. I think B&J got ENT in the studio, worked out the chords and the songs, were planning on using those as a backing track for some electronic manipulation and backed out when they realized there was a possibility of it being shite. I think there's a chance that those MP3s might be real. At least the person doing it, if they are fakes, really matched my mental impression of what a Black Room rehearsal with ENT would be like. OK, this has gotten way too long. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daniel Subject: (klf) Download Black room mp3s (fwd) Date: 19 May 1999 10:31:03 -0500 (CDT) I am forwarding this to the list one last time for those that missed it. note: after midnight the files will be gone. also, thanks for the emails and comments. It is appreciated. Glad I could be of service. -daniel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- thanks to blackroom@scotland.to I have received the black room mp3s. These mp3s will be available for download until Weds at midnight. After that they will be taken down and I will not distribute further. Please download one mp3 at a time. Also if there are problems with any of the files let me know. I do not mean quality, I mean if they are incomplete. Most of the files have been tested. where to get: http://monkey.eliteware.com/klf.html remember after midnight weds they will be gone. -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bert Klauninger" Date: 19 May 1999 21:29:13 +0200 >...and suddenly we can get the legendary Black Room... > >C'mon man!!!!. > >Isn't it suspicious? (...and that 2987... same thing.) >Be honest... those trax are SHIT, nothing else. >I could make much better if I had only one night free... > >THESE ARE ALL FAKE! I think the TOTP version of 3 a.m. Eternal is exactly the same kind of CRAP these MP3s are. So I could imagine that these tracks are raw cuts of ENT instrumental versions of the planned Black Room tracks. I don't think it is a fake because it sounds very similar to other ENT numbers. Accept the contradictions! However, if someone who has listened to the "real thing" said it was "brilliant", he must have listened to a different version (perhaps the earlier "It's Grim Up North" version) of that album. Bert K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bert Klauninger" Subject: (klf) The Black Room Demos Date: 19 May 1999 21:34:42 +0200 >...and suddenly we can get the legendary Black Room... > >C'mon man!!!!. > >Isn't it suspicious? (...and that 2987... same thing.) >Be honest... those trax are SHIT, nothing else. >I could make much better if I had only one night free... > >THESE ARE ALL FAKE! I don't think they have to be fake. Compare the style to the TOTP version of 3am - it's the same crap. These sound like very raw cuts of ENT instrumental versions of The Black Room tracks. But - in fact - no KLF in here. However - I think that the person that has listened to the "real thing" and described it as "brilliant" must have listened to a different version (maybe the "It's Grim Up North" Acid version) of the Black Room Album. This is not Brilliant. And it is not KLF. Bert K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) The Black Room Date: 19 May 1999 21:07:58 +0100 I've finally had chance to download and listen to the tracks, 38 and The Black Room sound like the product of a PC sampling program - there is nowhere near the bandwidth recorded / generated by a pro sampler or hard disk recorder. Even KLF's old Akai S900 is miles better than this! The 2 tracks also share samples if you listen carefully. Jimmy once gave me some advice when our band was having trouble making the guitars sound convincing on a thrash / rave track. He told me that the trick is to play 8 bars with a live guitar, the first 4 at normal tempo and the next 4 driving slightly harder. If you only play 4 bars the riff always sounds the same and becomes tiresome. This is why America WTIL is not tedious like these tracks. If these were genuine, why ignore your own advice? These are more Kevin Lockedin Frontroom than Kopyright Liberation Front. Nuff Said. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "blackroom" Subject: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Date: 19 May 1999 21:54:30 +0000 Well, well, well.....I go away from my email for just a few day and look what happens... I'll tell you the way it is...a former listmember Neil Sampson posted that he had a copy of the Black Room and if anybody wanted a copy of his CD he would lend it to be MP3'ed and distributed on the net...which I did with the help of Daniel from Mad Monkey Records, who very kindly hosted the files. Also my curiosity had been peeked regarding the BR. IF the this was all some elaborate ruse, I am not aware of it. Neil passed me the CD with good faith and it was recieved that way. From the conversations I've had with Neil, I've had no reasons to doubt him. What we should be asking is where did HE get it. As far as I am aware he is no longer on the list, but I can contact him. CU # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 20:10:53 PDT > > It is important to note that DAT uses a higher word lenth (I think) od >20 > > bits, instead of 16 for CD. Not sure of this though > >Actually they both use 16 bit. You are probably thinking of minidisc, >which samples at 18 bit. I was thinking of a friends DAT which has 20 bit D to A convertes. My mistake. It's a matter of opinion as to the quality >gained by sampling at 18 bit, IMHO the extra resolution is probably just >there to compensate somewhat for the inaccuracy of the lossy >compression, but it has been capitalised on by the marketing department. I'm with you there. Although if you try some of the newer Minidisk players out there, the sound has got a LOT better than the old ones. Kind of like DVD I guess. They've both come a LONG way from the first gen stuff. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) newbie info request ! Date: 19 May 1999 20:11:19 PDT > > >Hi there, as a newbie to the list, I'll keep this short: > >Does the black album exist? Not in my opinion. If so, is it on MP3 anywhere? > Suposedly, although it's going off in a few hours. >Better still, is it available to buy anywhere? > Noooo. Looks like you got on the list a bit too late. we just went through all of this on Monday. There are things that are suposedly BL MP3s, but they probably are not, or they are so primary that they aren't what it would have ended up sounding like if the project was finished, _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Date: 19 May 1999 23:11:09 EDT > IF the this was all some elaborate ruse, I am not aware of it. Neil passed me > the CD with good faith and it was recieved that way. From the conversations I' > ve had with Neil, I've had no reasons to doubt him. What we should be asking > is where did HE get it. As far as I am aware he is no longer on the list, but > I can contact him. I regular list member (by that I mean postings-wise) said he had gotten a copy and would make copies for anyone for trade (I can't recall a $ value attached as an alternative). I won't say whom because I don't know if he'd want to be bothered if he's no longer on the list, but I'll ask him. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daniel Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Date: 20 May 1999 01:04:37 -0500 (CDT) well folks, the page is now down. Sorry if anyone missed out on getting the files. Wish I could have kept them up longer but there are other factors at work. My bandwidth comsumption went up quite a bit the last couple of days :) hopefully someone snagged them and can place them somewhere else. glad to be of service.... -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: Ad: (klf) The Black Room Date: 20 May 1999 7:51:44 +0200 >If these were genuine, why ignore your own advice? Maybe because, if they are real at all, it's ENT playing=2E=2E not J&B=2E=20= They are after all just demos=2E=2E=2E Mr=2Ek # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) LTTT original Date: 20 May 1999 8:05:51 +0200 Hello, I am looking for LTTT the original version=2E=2E does anybody have=20= it as mp3? bootlegg anything? Mr=2EK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 20 May 1999 11:41:51 +0100 At 22:41 19.5.1999 -0500, zgundam@concentric.net wrote: >Not only that, but these things are pretty much only for people who have >both a CDR, and this device, and the know-how to get the most likely glitchy >as hell thing to work. I myself would kind of like one, but I can't see it >realy catching on. well, I for one have a cdr & the know-how, and it's pretty easy really ;) but I kinda agree with you, I don't see it catching on, but it would be a cool geek toy to have ,D Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://www.kosmic.org/~nemesis1 Free Your Mind - Remove the Brain :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zed" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 20 May 1999 14:08:09 +0000 > > > I never saw any info about those klf 'T'-speakers? > > > Did KLF designed and made them? > > > >Hitachi made a pair of speakers identical to them so I don't think > >they were designed and made by the KLF. Although with the Hitachi > >speakers you have to put one speaker on top of the other slant ways > >to create the T-Shape > > For crying out loud! It's a picture of two speakers sitting on top of each > other. There is no "T" shapped speaker. They aren't even sitting straight! > It's not even suposed to LOOK like one speaker. I never said i think that it is one speaker.. i said 'speakers' of course it is obvious that KLF put them that way.. on 3 a.m. eternal video you can see those speakers standing separated in Ford-timelord's trunk. its just I have never seen that type of speakers and wondered who made them, i didn't really believed that klf made them, I i just said it as possibility.. I'm sorry for missunderstanding, it sure happened because of my bad english.. :) Serbia calling.. Please visit our web site http://www.bg.ac.yu/ or our mirror site http://ubg-mirror.iccs.ntua.gr/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zed" Subject: (klf) lyrics Date: 20 May 1999 14:08:09 +0000 Does anyone have the lyrics from the WTIL moody boys remix?? Please visit our web site http://www.bg.ac.yu/ or our mirror site http://ubg-mirror.iccs.ntua.gr/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew_Leaden@pch.gc.ca Subject: (klf) Chill Out Date: 20 May 1999 08:11:16 -0400 Hey I'm new to the list, and I was thinking of buying 'Chill Out' from an online store, since I've never actually seen it in a record store. Is it worth getting? What's it like? What's too much to pay for it? thanks asdasewqerwqw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Attila Bujt=?ISO-8859-1?B?4Q==?=s" Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out Date: 20 May 1999 13:21:37 +0100 > Hey > > I'm new to the list, and I was thinking of buying 'Chill Out' from an online > store, since I've never actually seen it in a record store. Is it worth > getting? What's it like? What's too much to pay for it? > > thanks The very first ambient CD... Deep... and the best. It never ever will be boring! Masterpiece for ever! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: (klf) Black Room MP3s Date: 20 May 1999 08:37:40 -0400 For anyone who is still interested... I was on fnord last night and the files were there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paw17" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room MP3s Date: 20 May 1999 16:16:59 +0100 hi, in addition to the ones chris thorne noted..: > For anyone who is still interested... I was on fnord last night and the > files were there. some were also on Mancentrals (http://quality.gconnect.com/KLF) sound archive, as well as some 1987 stuff etc... well worth a look :-) hail discordia! paul, junc.17 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vischer@access.ch Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out Date: 20 May 1999 19:53:10 +0200 I think you could get it from www.cede.ch (~ $18.00 incl. p+p) or www.emusic.com or www.cdnow.com ($13.49). They all have it for a normal price. btw emusic still got the "History of the Jams"; check it out Simon >I'm new to the list, and I was thinking of buying 'Chill Out' from an online >store, since I've never actually seen it in a record store. Is it worth >getting? What's it like? What's too much to pay for it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (klf) MP3s Date: 19 May 1999 22:41:13 -0500 >http://mp3.com/hardware/ >if you look closely there, and check out some of the links there, then ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "P. Stokes" Subject: (klf) AAA Date: 20 May 1999 21:24:40 +0100 Does anybody know if the album on Blast First by the Triple A Formation Attack Ensemble, or 'Foghorns of the Northern Hemisphere' actually exists or was Jimmy just having some fun ? Phil Stokes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: (klf) made @ 3am Date: 20 May 1999 16:34:43 -0400 greetings in the spirit of mu following my last mail i have had replies from list members who think i was saying that the "made @ 3am KLF coming down off e" cd was = now sold out this was not my intention there are still cds available to reserve so if you are interested in getting your hands on this cd please feel free to put in an order by mailing me with *cd project* as the subject title my direct e-mail address is as said in my first mail i do not want you to send me any money now as the cds are still in the early stage of production however i do intend= to close orders by 23/06/99 so please confirm your interest as soon as possible so as to avoid dissapointment wherever possible if there are any general questions about the cd i will be happy to answer these to the best of my ability *on list* (always assuming this is seen as a satisfactory KLF related topic : ) i look forward to your future communications thanx again tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "j. gura" Subject: (klf) Wynette Exhumed Date: 20 May 1999 17:10:45 EDT NASHVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) --Almost five weeks after the body of country legend Tammy Wynette was exhumed at the insistence of her daughters, medical examiners say the results of an autopsy show that Wynette died of heart failure. more: http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9905/20/wynette.autopsy/ ************************* lentil@electrofy.com http://www.electrofy.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-Terje Vellene Subject: Re: (klf) made @ 3am Date: 21 May 1999 01:42:26 +0200 Well, I've placed my order, but I still would like to know what this CD sounds like. An ambient 'voyage' a la Chill Out with excerpts from old JAMMs/KLF stuff plus assorted other songs, or any 'new' unreleased material from Bill'n Jimi... ? btw, the order still stands, no matter if it's only Bill belching for one hour ;) JanT Positive Void Communications wrote: > wherever possible if there are any general questions about the cd i > will be happy to answer these to the best of my ability *on list* > (always assuming this is seen as a satisfactory KLF related topic : ) > > i look forward to your future communications > > thanx again -- moonbeam - synthpop extraordinaire http://home.sol.no/~jantv ICQ: 2503528 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Earnshaw Subject: Re: (klf) Disco 2000 Date: 20 May 1999 17:01:17 -0700 > I have a RIO and it cost me little under $200. > Are these any good? How many MP3s can you store at a time? Where can I get one (neither CDs or MiniDisk are any goog to run with - they can't cope with the shaking) Craig! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Ives Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out Date: 21 May 1999 08:16:33 +0800 Attila Bujt=E1s wrote: > > > The very first ambient CD... > come on now - there is a stack of stuff from Eno / Tangerine Dream / Klau= s Shultz that predates chill out by 10 or twenty years that sure as hell is ambien= t - now if you mean the term 'ambient-house' then perhaps you are correct! -- DD PRODUCTIONS LIMITED Tel +852 2982 0113 Fax +852 2982 4005 info@dd.com.hk http://www.dd.com.hk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timothy muck" Subject: (klf) philosophy Date: 20 May 1999 17:34:41 PDT I'll try to keep this brief and less than arcane, but in terms of carrying on the new born tradition of the klf, does anyone else see a certain anarchy in their work? A willingness to fuck the system without getting sued? And towards that end, what are people doing? How are you fucking with the system? What plans do you have or what plans are you executing? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) KLF speakers Date: 20 May 1999 17:49:12 PDT >I'm sorry for missunderstanding, it sure happened because of my >bad english.. :) > Hey, don't worry about it. Your English is WAY better than a lot of people I know, and it's the only kanguage they speak! Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton Date: 20 May 1999 17:58:13 PDT I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? It's prett cool! Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sfwd" Subject: Re: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton Date: 20 May 1999 18:32:15 -0700 : I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". : what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? : : It's prett cool! : Its a remix by Cauty of the Black Dog's Babylon track. Not sure exactly which release of the single the track is actually on as I only have the promo cd, but more info can be obtained at www.feedback.com/tbd/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: Re: (klf) made @ 3am Date: 21 May 1999 02:33:58 -0400 Message text written by Jan-Terje Vellene >I still would like to know what this CD sounds like. An ambient 'voyage' a la Chill Out with excerpts from old JAMMs/KLF stuff plus assorted other songs, or any 'new' unreleased materi= al from Bill'n Jimi... ?< it's pretty difficult to describe what the track sounds like in the same way as it would be near impossible to describe (with any accuracy) what chill out space or waiting sounds like to someone who hasn't heard them an ambient voyage ? . . . yes that certainly fits excerpts from old JAMMs/KLF stuff ? . . . yes again it certainly carries the "compiled and collated" trade mark style any new unreleased material from bill and jimmy . . . well there is material that i've not heard anywhere else but whether it's bill and jimmy or just samples o= f other artists i am not qualified to say the first time i listened to it i could easily imagine bill and jimmy getting back to trancentral after one of their exploits and playing around with the vario= us tunes and sound samples to create an audio soundscape to their state of mind to paraphrase a current floor varnish advert here in the uk - to my mind "it is exactly what it says on the label" hope that helps tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eatherington, Mark" Subject: (klf) made @ 3am Date: 21 May 1999 10:08:54 +0100 "made @ 3am KLF coming down off e" is this an un/official release an un/authorized bootleg ? regarding the track(s) themselves, did J&B have anything to do with the creation/production or is it a 'fan release' ? Forgive my ignorance, but I've only recently re-dug out all my vinyl after about 5 yrs and got back into KLF/JAMMS - my last purchase was the KLF/ENT 7" when it came out, and I haven't listened to any of them until the last month or so. I'm gradually trawling the websites to get back up to date, but it takes time.... God I was stupid to stop listening to this stuff... Evo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ee52kt@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Kyle M Thompson) Subject: Re: (klf) made @ 3am Date: 21 May 1999 11:38:10 +0100 (BST) U>btw, the order still stands, no matter if it's only Bill belching for one U>hour ;) excellent, i want a copy of bill belching for 1 hour! i'm sure it'll mix in nicely with my cd of jimmy farting, and gimpo snezing. kyle, still here for the moment # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) BLACK ROOM - MP3's Date: 21 May 1999 06:39:27 EDT I wrote: > I won't say whom because I don't know if he'd > want to be bothered if he's no longer on the list, but I'll ask him. Then I replied: According to the original provider of the files the mp3s were created from, he got them from a list member who claimed to know a member of ENT (I vaguely recall this, actually... really vaguely) and got them from him. Personally, I don't know anything of ENT to even say it could possibly be them. While I'd be reluctant to say they were *definately* Black Room Demos, or embryonic tracks, the cd is still going with the KLF stuff. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: (klf) copy of original mail Date: 21 May 1999 02:34:09 -0400 well it would appear that quite a lot of you didn't get my original mail so here is a copy Re: (klf) Once in a lifetime = = = greetings = = on the 20th and 21st of march 1999 i was privileged to join gimpo mad and kevin (is that the energy of love in my shorts or have i just followed through) dean on this years m25 - 25 hour spin = whilst orbiting london an exclusive track by jimmy cauty's acoustic armourments association was played as part of the films soundtrack and a conversation ensued about how jimmy was thinking of selling one of his sonic sound system apv's = those of you who know me will be well aware that i have spent much of the last decade putting together the most comprehensive collection of KLF (et al) music and memorabilia in the uk (and probably the rest of the world) = unable to resist such an opportunity i have in the last few weeks been working to agree a price which both jimmy and i are happy with but needless to say the value of such an item is monumentally high as the sound system alone is worth over 15 thousand uk pounds = my driving force for buying the tank is to organise a free 4 day rave over the millenium (31/12 - 3/1) that will rival the last massive free ra= ve that took place on uk soil in 1992 at druggers end near malvern in worcestershire just before the public order and criminal justice bill came into effect = needless to say i need to raise some of the funds to get this project moving and so i have dug deep into my collection and picked out one of the previously unreleased and unique recordings that i have and propose to exclusively release the 45 minute track on a strictly limited edition (500 copies only) professionally produced cd = sadly the track has no name but is simply marked "made @ 3am = KLF coming down off e" and can best be described as a true ambient house classic every bit the equal (imho) of chill out and waiting = if the attraction of having this recording alone is not sufficient motivation each cds individual number will be logged and used in a "raffle style draw" the winning cd owner will be invited along to meet jimmy when he/she may get the cd autographed = i am acutely aware that there are still some list members who have not yet received their cds from lsom projects (i count myself in this lis= t) and still others who may have given up all hope of seeing either their cd or money back from mike dutton = to those skeptically minded all i can say is that i have been on this lis= t for the best part of 5 years and in that time i have helped many of you find KLF rarities and not so rarities without cause for complaint in eith= er my reliability or punctuality of delivery = unfortunately i am also conscious that there is an increased risk that within a short time of the cds release a more industriously minded individual may take it upon him/herself to rip the track to mp3 and drop it onto their website or some other cd collection = to avoid confusion here is how the cds release will work : 1. DO NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY NOW 2. if you are interested in supporting this project by buying a cd please= send me a mail with *cd project* as the subject header and the details of your desired order in the message body 3. orders will be received until 23/06/99 or until the cds are sold out (whichever is sooner) 4. after the 23/06/99 all orders will be confirmed along with details for= payment 5. once an order is confirmed you will have 2 weeks to get payment to me (should payment not be received - your order may be reallocated) 6. all paid up orders will despatched from 23/07/99 onwards 7. on the 23/08/99 gimpo will draw the winning cd number and it will be published on the list thereafter 8. interested participants will also be given advance notification of details about the free rave to fuck the millennium = the last detail is that of cost - the cd will be priced 25 ukp inclusive = of p+p i realise this is slightly more than the average cost of a cd album here in the uk however this is slightly more than an average cd album = i look forward to your future communications = thanx for your indulgance = tim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don" Subject: (klf) Wynette special on cable Date: 22 May 1999 21:21:38 +1000 Tammy Wynette special on Fox/Tel Country Music channel Australia on the 24th May. CDs & DVDs to trade - http://www.qd.com.au/~altered # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (klf) FA: Whitney Joins 12"(JAMS24T) & Bill Drumond solo LP Date: 22 May 1999 13:52:21 -0400 Hello again. I currently have a couple more JAMS/KLF items up for auction on eBay. The auctions end Sunday, May 23. JAMS - Whitney Joins The Jams UK 1 sided 12" (JAMS 24T) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105008804 Bill Drummond - "The Man" Solo LP from 1989 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105007280 Still a few KLF & Synthpop items available on my website: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm More to be added soon.... Again, thanks for looking David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: erik Subject: Re: (klf) My Patsy Weighs a Ton Date: 23 May 1999 16:24:18 +0200 At 17:58 20.05.99 PDT, Chad Gombosi wrote: >I'm assuming a lot of you have heard this tune, "My Patsey Weighs a Ton". >what the hell is it, who did it, and why is it KLF related? >It's prett cool! It's called "My Pasty Weighs A Ton" new discographical information: Jimmy Cauty - remixes and production work [The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon] [on The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon CD1] CD5: 1999 UK (warner.esp; WESP006CD1) [digipak w/room for CD2] 5:41 Babylon (a k9 ate my pasty) [infected by the Scourge Of The Earth - remix by Jimmy "KLF" Cauty] [The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon] [on The Black Dog feat. Ofra Haza: Babylon CD2] CD5: 1999 UK (warner.esp; WESP006CD2) 4:10 Babylon (my pasty weighs a ton) [infected by the Scourge Of The Earth - remix by Jimmy "KLF" Cauty] The first remix (A K9 ATE MY PASTY) sounds a bit like "It Must Be Obvious" in the beginning of the Stadium House video, a bit more 'abienty', the second mix (MY PASTY WEIGHS A TON) is a nice dance track, but both mixes have the same basis. I think they are both quite good. :-) erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 23 May 1999 16:44:00 +0100 Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 23 May 1999 16:41:19 +0100 Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 23 May 1999 16:41:19 +0100 Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the day". Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the underlying sound changes. Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus contact the vinyl at the beginning. Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. That aside, I suppose it is possible that the KLF could have used a PC package and a soundcard to get the ideas down. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Kelly" Subject: (klf) The Man available Date: 22 May 1999 10:36:06 -0400 For those who haven't run across a copy yet, Bill Drummond's "The Man" is available from Bar-None Records for $8, vinyl or cassette. Look over at www.bar-none.com for it. Neil neil@neilbert.com www.neilbert.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Nissen Subject: (klf) FNORD FTP server. Date: 22 May 1999 22:54:41 +0200 Hi there. I heard some of you talk about a FTP server named fnord, is it possible to get the adress and password?? Thanx over and out. Nissen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALTONBARNS@aol.com Subject: (klf) WTIL (Echo and the Bunnymeny mix) on CD Date: 23 May 1999 13:01:49 EDT The following tracks can be found on INDIE TOP 20 CD compilations KLF - What Time Is Love (Echo and the Bunnymen mix) - Indie Top CD Vol10 (TT010CD) KLF - Kylie Said To Jason - Indie Top 20 Vol Viii (TT08CD) Best wishes Antony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 23 May 1999 14:58:51 -0500 At 04:44 PM 5/23/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Sorry if this is old news, but Freeserves mailer is down so I've not been >able to pickup my mail for 2 days now to see what is the "topic of the >day". > >Anyway, I've had some free time this weekend and thought I would load the >infamous Black Room files into the sampler. The frequency graphs on the >blending tools are very good at showing up where samples come and go as the >underlying sound changes. > >Finding number one is that both 38 and Black Room are a mish-mash of >samples strung together, more interestingly though some samples including >the intro on both feature turntable rumble, meaning they've been sampled >from vinyl. If you boost the low frequency you can even hear the stylus >contact the vinyl at the beginning. That doesn't sound like a stylus hitting vinyl to me: that sounds like someone hitting record and walking away from the tape recorder. Analogue tape decks have rumble too, especially cheap portable ones. Typically, a stylus hitting a turntable makes a low-and-high-frequency "crack", not a "blop" that sounds like someone hit/moved the microphone like on these MP3s. I've MP3ed vinyl before. These tracks are clearly MP3ed from an analog tape source. So tell me, if there are "samples that they used a PC package to create", why are they: A) So half-assed. Typically, tracks made with PC-based sampling packages are rather precise, and it takes a -lot- of work to make them half-assed in the same way the MP3s are. B) Why would a sample-based song even -contain- a turntable drop? Anyone with the slightest idea of how to use a sampler would edit that out. C) PC-based sampling packages were -not- that advanced back in 1992, so if couldn't be the KLF if your idea is true. Back in 92, RAM cost $30-40 a meg. I couldn't create these tracks on an S1000, pretty much the best thing out there when these tracks were created, and I doubt B&J could either. Especially when they could just ask ENT over. D) If someone faked this, why would they -go to the trouble- of not only recording a half-assed metal band play 7 tracks, then mangle the tape, -then- MP3 it? What, when taken from the MP3 and put into a PC-based sound program, specifically -showed- you that these were a mishmash of samples thrown together? Tell me your technique, and I'll duplicate it here. >Sorry to shatter any illusions, but live studio DAT's these ain't. I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my doubts it's the KLF. All signs, however, given the style and quality of the tracks are rather similar to ENT and what ENT did with the KLF is that these were analog "home" rehearsal recording of ENT, possibly with the tracks they were going to cut with the KLF of the Black Room. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 23 May 1999 18:41:38 PDT >I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my doubts it's >the KLF. All signs, however, given the style and quality of the tracks >are rather similar to ENT The 3am ENT version is a lot faster than these tracks though don't you think? This supposed Black Room stuff is pretty boring as far as metal goes. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (klf) buy of the week Date: 23 May 1999 21:30:16 -0600 On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:43:36AM +0100, Dan Abel wrote: > finally... space on cd. I think its an original anyway... > though i think the picture side of the cd is a different colour > of my friends copy (which no longer plays) My copy is an original and is clearly marked on the inner ring (read from the data side): SPACECD1 10122501 01 & MADE IN U.K. BY PDO If it's pressed (as opposed to a CD-R) and is marked that way it's guaranteed to be the real deal. If the printing is fuzzy and/or it doesn't have "(P) & (C) KLF COMMUNICATIONS 1990 MADE IN ENGLAND" on the bottom of the left-hand column of text on the back and at the end of the text printed on the label side of the CD, it's a bootleg. Anything in the middle, post details here and we'll suss it out . . . -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eatherington, Mark" Subject: (klf) KLF/ENT - Black Room MP3's Date: 24 May 1999 15:13:11 +0100 > >>I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my doubts it's >>the KLF. All signs, however, given the style and quality of the tracks >>are rather similar to ENT Having found these, downloaded them and finally managed to listen to them, IMHO they almost certainly are ENT, if not the KLF. I agree that they are almost certainly the original demo tapes for J&C to check out at a later date, before they were put onto a DAT for studio production, remixing and manipulation. As I actually own several ENT records, I can attest to the fact that the production on their own records isn't top notch (punk ethics and all that) and having seen them live about 15-20 times in the late 80's & early 90's, the sound is very similar. (sad old punk alert !) As well as this, the fact they've arrived on the scene as MP3's (with no cash involved), rather than as a bootleg CD (with ample opportunity to rip people off) seems to make it a more valid proposition that they _are_ real. Why go to all the effort of faking a few tracks which are basically nothing more than loops, and then not charge for them? > > The 3am ENT version is a lot faster than these tracks though don't you think? This >supposed Black Room stuff is pretty boring as far as metal goes. BTW, ENT were _never_ metal ! Punk yes, Hardcore yes, speedcore at a push, but metal ? I'm sure that ENT would give you a good kicking if they heard you call them a metal band...... Anyway, that's my opinion, make of it what you will..... Evo. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) KLF/ENT - Black Room MP3's Date: 24 May 1999 11:26:24 EDT > As well as this, the fact they've arrived on the scene as MP3's (with no > cash involved), rather than as a bootleg CD (with ample opportunity to rip > people off) seems to make it a more valid proposition that they _are_ real. > Why go to all the effort of faking a few tracks which are basically nothing > more than loops, and then not charge for them? Just for the sake of arguement, these tracks were originally offered as a cdr made from a tape aquired from someone who claimed to know a member of ENT. Someone who got a copy of the cd created the mp3s. But your other comments do give a sense of satisfaction that these are the tapes from the early stages of BR (pre-KLF involvement) -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sinclair Subject: (klf) Gone Date: 24 May 1999 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT) hi all, i am gone until saturday to Disneyland Paris so dont expect any input/replies until then. ill speak soon fredsinclair@yahoo.com Mark Sinclair _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: RE: (klf) KLF/ENT - Black Room MP3's Date: 24 May 1999 19:41:08 +0100 True, but how much money could you charge if they WERE genuine KLF? If they came from a friend of ENT then, you're right the chances are that they are ENT. They could have been made freely available because deep down someone either knows or gut feel tells them, these are not KLF. On Monday, May 24, 1999 3:13 PM, Eatherington, Mark [SMTP:Mark.Eatherington@BBRail.co.uk] wrote: > > > > >>I don't think this is a live studio DAT either, and I have my > As well as this, the fact they've arrived on the scene as MP3's (with no > cash involved), rather than as a bootleg CD (with ample opportunity to rip > people off) seems to make it a more valid proposition that they _are_ real. > Why go to all the effort of faking a few tracks which are basically nothing > more than loops, and then not charge for them? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 24 May 1999 22:31:50 +0100 On Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:59 PM, Dave Cowen [SMTP:esch@fische.net] wrote: > > So tell me, if there are "samples that they used a PC package to create", > why are they: > > A) So half-assed. Typically, tracks made with PC-based sampling packages > are rather precise, and it takes a -lot- of work to make them half-assed > in the same way the MP3s are. That all depends if you are using a sequencer or queuing live, "half assed" is easy if you don't have a sequencer. > B) Why would a sample-based song even -contain- a turntable drop? Anyone > with the slightest idea of how to use a sampler would edit that out. You are assuming that the author intended a release level recording, loads of demos start out pretty rough before spending cash in a studio. > C) PC-based sampling packages were -not- that advanced back in 1992...................... America WTIL 7" was done entirely on Opcode Studiovision/Galaxy (on a Mac) using the 12" version as base material - it's all samples!. That was done in Jan 92 at the Solon Corporation in Brixton. I made 4 x 7" and 3 x 12" singles using it in 1992 before buying my own setup. You're right, home studio gear wasn't good enough, nor was the S1000 but there were systems from Opcode, Roland and Ensoniq that could. My old EPS16R+ sampler could do this easily in 92 by dumping the samples on it's SCSI drive and switching in RAM as the samples were called for, you only need 4mb. Chill Out was made with 2 DAT machines. Bill/Jimmy purchased a Mac with Studiovision/Galaxy and a ?5000 sampler card in June 92 after being dead impressed with Solons setup, so with a max track length of 1 hr at 44.1mhz Stereo it would have been easy AND as clear as America WTIL. > D) If someone faked this, why would they -go to the trouble- of not only > recording a half-assed metal band play 7 tracks, then mangle the tape, > -then- MP3 it? The same person didn't MP3 it according to the earlier mail. Crap demos get trashed all the time if the band is unhappy. > > What, when taken from the MP3 and put into a PC-based sound program.......... Come on - PC? My Roland hard disk recorder can take the file on a floppy and load the whole thing as a sample. If samples are taken from different sources or media, the bandwidths and lowest frequencies show up as distinct steps on the wave graph. It's only a bandwidth editor (so you can simulate the recording on different media's) but it shows up all kinds of things on commercial CD's. You need to be able to filter specific frequencies or you can't identify the underlying sound easily. The Opcode Studiovision/Galaxy suite does it but you need a damn good soundcard (not a home PC card) to get the resolution. I'm not into the PC sampling scene so I can't recommend a program / card to try this with. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (klf) Black Room Integrity Date: 24 May 1999 18:58:01 -0500 At 10:31 PM 5/24/99 +0100, you wrote: > >On Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:59 PM, Dave Cowen [SMTP:esch@fische.net] wrote: >> >> So tell me, if there are "samples that they used a PC package to create", >> why are they: >> >> A) So half-assed. Typically, tracks made with PC-based sampling packages >> are rather precise, and it takes a -lot- of work to make them half-assed >> in the same way the MP3s are. > >That all depends if you are using a sequencer or queuing live, "half assed" >is easy if you don't have a sequencer. Yes, but half-assed sample triggering and half-assed drumming/strumming are two completely different things. Anyone who's played with both a Casio SK-1 and a guitar will be able to tell the difference: one stutters, with mis-placed, jumpy, identical grooves or riffs, whereas analogue half-assed guitar-playing is, well, just sloppy, falling all over the place, going in and out of time (where a sample, unless you're being real creative with the processing, doesn't go out of time). The Black Room demos do the latter. >> B) Why would a sample-based song even -contain- a turntable drop? Anyone >> with the slightest idea of how to use a sampler would edit that out. But at -the beginning of the track-? With seconds of silence after it? No professional studio musician would leave that much dead air cum noise at the beginning of a sample. There's -3 seconds- of dead air, for chrissake. If there was clicking and drops -within- the track, you'd have a point. >> C) PC-based sampling packages were -not- that advanced back in >1992...................... > >America WTIL 7" was done entirely on Opcode Studiovision/Galaxy (on a Mac) >using the 12" version as base material - it's all samples! Yes, technically. But doing hard drive recording/editing is completely different than performance-based sampling, which is what you claimed they might be doing above. Playing a keyboard MIDIed to a S2000 is completely different than, say, mucking about in ProTools. >My old EPS16R+ sampler could do this easily in 92 by dumping the samples on >it's SCSI drive and switching in RAM as the samples were called for, you >only need 4mb. Oh, give me a break. I owned an EPS and a SyQuest drive at one point, and it'd be an -idiotic- process trying to get that to work. At 22khz (the absolute minimum that these tracks could have been created with) with 4mb of RAM, the EPS could only hold a minute and 30 some seconds worth of samples. Or less -- didn't the EPS16 use 512k dedicated for the sequencer? I can't remember, it's been many years. But you'd have to be an octopus to get that right... not to mention the amount of time you'd need to take making the samples decent. And you'd never, ever waste sample time with a turntable drop on the EPS unless you deliberately -wanted- a turntable drop sound to be there. Certainly much more time than just calling up ENT and having them record the damned things. >Chill Out was made with 2 DAT machines. Roughly mixed with two DAT machines? Sure. Made entirely with 2 DAT machines? No. That's like B&J saying the White Room was made with an S900, an Oberheim, and a guitar. Can't do it -- they were joking. You can do stuff like FSOL's Accelerator with an S900 as the primary instrument, but you can't make 3am Eternal (Live at the SSL -- which is a big hint) that way. >Bill/Jimmy purchased a Mac with Studiovision/Galaxy and a ?5000 sampler >card in June 92 after being dead impressed with Solons setup, so with a max >track length of 1 hr at 44.1mhz Stereo it would have been easy AND as clear >as America WTIL. Sure, but again, hard drive recording is different than performance-based sampling. Editing/syncing/crossfading WTIL into a shorter version is a -completely- different musical task than assembling half-assed thrash guitar and drums into a coherent song, unless they had remarkably contiguous material to begin with. Which would beg the question, why bother?, if they already had that complete source. >> What, when taken from the MP3 and put into a PC-based sound >program.......... > >Come on - PC? My Roland hard disk recorder can take the file on a floppy >and load the whole thing as a sample. On a -floppy-? You're talking 1.44mb here? No. It can't. Not at anything approximating an acceptable sample rate. Unless you're talking about putting a 64kbps MP3 on there, or you're talking zip, jaz, ls120 or something. >If samples are taken from different sources or media, the bandwidths and >lowest frequencies show up as distinct steps on the wave graph. Correct. So, how does that apply to the Black Room demo MP3s? That's what I'm asking. Times, screen-shots, etc. Prove your point. You can speak mystical sampling mumbo-jumbo to the peanut gallery and they might believe you, and I'm saying "back it up with the statistical, quantitative proof you're claiming to have." I go more into bandwidth at the bottom of the message. So keep reading. >The Opcode Studiovision/Galaxy suite does it but you need a damn good >soundcard (not a home PC card) to get the resolution. Huh? How does a sound card come in to this? Are you saying that you have the original source of the demos and are getting it into Opcode that way? Because if you're talking about converting the MP3 into a waveform and analyzing it that way, I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing your sound card is doing there than any CPU can't do. Doing A/D conversion is one thing, decoding an MP3 is another: sound cards vary tremendously with the first task (with the more expensive ones are more accurate), whereas the second task always yields the same results using any hardware -- even without dedicated sound hardware. Decoding MP3 to a waveform is entirely within a standards-based digital domain, and as such, it doesn't need to go through proprietary hardware to yield perfect results. You can decode an MP3 to 44.1khz, 16bit waveform on a 386 without a soundcard without error. It'll take you hours, but you can do it. Anyway, we're talking VBR MP3s encoded from a CDR of an analog tape here. This isn't high-resolution, 20bit 48khz stuff we're talking about. Sure, you can upsample to that, but what good would that do -- it'll still be the same acoustic quality. I have a sneaking suspicion that the distinct steps/changes in quality you're seeing, are due to the constant bitrate changes (and therefore acoustic dynamic changes) of the MP3s, combined with the poor quality of the tape source. You know that VBR MP3's change the encoding bandwidth every second or so to match the music (and the Black Room MP3s do), right? For example, the opening is encoded at 48kbps, then 64kbps during the 'blop,' then up to 128kbps and 160kbps during the track, then back down to 96kbps during some of the sections. Encode a poor-quality tape into VBR MP3, and it's -bound- to look goofy when you analyze bandwidth. I'll bet you're taking the readouts of your software, which is showing each of the sections with different bitrates (a natural phenomenon with the VBR MP3 format), as being different "samples" with different bandwidth and you're taking that to mean that those sections are different samples the KLF constructed when in fact it's an artifact of the VBR MP3 encoding (read sampling) process. This is also why, on some people's MP3 players, the tracks look like they're only 48kbps, because that's the "starting" bandwidth. Others, like more recent versions of WinAmp, show the bandwidth fluctuate all over the place (as was mentioned previously by another member of the list). In short, the Black Room MP3s were encoded in a different manner than most 'net MP3s are (most MP3 encoders only do CBR -- constant bit rate -- where it's, say, 128kbps through the entire track), and you need to take that into account. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bernhard Fischer" Subject: Re: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 25 May 1999 21:18:48 +0200 Oh! Sounds great! Could you tell where these places are. Pics would be for sure perfect! Bernie. -------------------------- > > I have been to a place which seems to have escaped mention in all the > possible locations for the White Room. > > Supposing I told you that in a valley, 10 miles from Bills home there is > the following: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > At one end of the valley, at the top of a very large hill there is the > remains of a derelict CHURCH cut into the hillside. > "We climbed the mountain............." > > ......................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bernhard Fischer" Subject: Re: (klf) Chill Out Date: 25 May 1999 21:27:46 +0200 Very first ambinent CD? Hm.... Masterpiece forever? Oh yesss! It's THE album I own. I love it. But have a look for example at early Brian Eno stuff (or Eno/Fripp) and you will be certain that the KLF-boyz listened to them often before they started their great work. Bernie. ------------------ > > Hey > > > > I'm new to the list, and I was thinking of buying 'Chill Out' from an > > online store, since I've never actually seen it in a record store. Is > > it worth getting? What's it like? What's too much to pay for it? > > > > thanks > > The very first ambient CD... > Deep... and the best. It never ever will be boring! > Masterpiece for ever! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (klf) Chill Out Date: 25 May 1999 14:28:25 -0500 Very first ambinent CD? Hm.... 1st ambient house CD. "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: RE: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 25 May 1999 21:51:12 +0100 The caves are just outside West Wycombe village in Buckinghamshire. The nearest big towns on the map are High Wycombe, Aylesbury and Slough. It is very near to Junction 5 off the M40 Motorway (Autobahn) that goes from London to Birmingham. The pyramid on the hill is about 5 km away to the north west and Bills farmhouse approx. another 10km further. I've taken a whole 36 exp film of pictures and I should have the pictures back by the weekend. Several people have asked me so I will wait until the end of next week to collect requests and e-mail a few JPEG's out to those interested. A list member from the south of England has travelled up there one weekend as well. In addition I've e-mailed Bill at the old K2 Planthire address trying to get confirm if this is or is not the White Room but no replies so far (if ever!). Steve On Tuesday, May 25, 1999 8:19 PM, Bernhard Fischer [SMTP:b_fish@b-ware.ch] wrote: > Oh! > > Sounds great! Could you tell where these places are. > Pics would be for sure perfect! > > Bernie. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rhidian" <9543349@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Subject: (klf) Babylon (a k9 ate my pasty) Date: 26 May 1999 16:49:02 +0000 Igot Black Dog's Babylon 'a k9 ate my pasty' mix the other day, and although I think it is quite good, it doesn't seem to go anywhere. It just seems like it's building up all the time without actually kicking in, I was quite dissappointed when it finished. What does everyone else think, and is the 'My Pasty Weighs a Ton' mix any better? rhid http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/2391 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) The Original Inspiration? Date: 26 May 1999 11:59:41 EDT > I've taken a whole 36 exp film of pictures and I should have the pictures > back by the weekend. Several people have asked me so I will wait until the > end of next week to collect requests and e-mail a few JPEG's out to those > interested. I suggest just slapping them on a web page somewhere. Lot more easier than sending out all the pics by email... -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bernhard Fischer" Subject: (klf) Re: Pics of the white room(?) Date: 27 May 1999 02:08:11 +0200 Steve wrote: I've taken a whole 36 exp film of pictures and I should have the pictures back by the weekend. Several people have asked me so I will wait until the end of next week to collect requests and e-mail a few JPEG's out to those interested. Paul added: I suggest just slapping them on a web page somewhere. Lot more easier than sending out all the pics by email... If you like to send em to me, I can 'slap' them easy onto a page... Maybe you can send a corner of a map to add too. Just tell (mail) me. Bernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Babylon (a k9 ate my pasty) Date: 26 May 1999 17:52:44 PDT >What does everyone else think, and is the 'My Pasty Weighs a >Ton' mix any better? > >rhid >http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/2391 > The My Patsy Weighs a Ton mix is WAY better. They sound a lot alike, sort of like the K9 version is a stripped, and calmer version using the same elements. The My Patsy version is realy incredable. I know nothing about Black Dog, I just like this track. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sampson, Neil" Subject: (klf) back again... Date: 27 May 1999 12:17:22 +0100 Hello folks. I'm back on the list (as if anyone missed me) after a recent job change. Anyways, what's happened since I've been away (past few months - 6 perhaps ?). Just before i get back into the swing of things etc...can i just bomb the list with these 3 fairly simple requests : 1. Marshall Dicksons new email address, as his old one hr24@bellsouth.net is no longer available...basically need to contact him as i'm *still* waiting the arrival of my WROST cd - Marshall are you out there ? 2. Mike Duttons new email address, as his old one has gone the way of Marshalls (although i do have his home address & phone number at home myself)...again, need to contact him regarding WROST (his version) as it contained a glitch which meant you cannot play any tracks after the beginning of track 8. Mike, are you OK ? 3. Any info on where Rod Gilmour is nowadays, as he has my bootleg copy of the alleged Black Room demo/instrumental CD - which he was gonna convert into mp3 files for everyone on the internet...where are you Rod? Sorry, for the nags etc...the waiting is getting to me somewhat. Anyways, glad to be back. Hello to Tim Richards, Bizz, Stuart B, the other Stuart, Nick G and anyone else I've had the pleasure of meeting via the list. Cheerio neil (neil.sampson@sbs.siemens.co.uk) > Neil Sampson > SBS, Bracknell, UK > > This document and any attachments to it contain information that is > private and confidential and should only be read by those persons to whom > they are addressed. No person, without subsequent written confirmation of > their contents, should rely upon the contents of this e-mail. This e-mail > and the information it contains are supplied in good faith but Siemens > Business Services Limited shall not be under any liability in damages or > otherwise for any reliance that may be placed upon them by the recipient. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heather steers Subject: (klf) West Wycombe Caves Date: 27 May 1999 15:16:55 +0100 http://www.netindex.net/national/touristinfo/south/info/museums/ww-caves/index.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: (klf) Esprit Date: 27 May 1999 21:33:48 +0100 Esprit records (although expensive) have just acquired what seems like a sizeable KLF/JAMMS collection... I'm skint at the moment, but check out http://www.eil.co.uk/eil/klf.txt if you have some spare cash!! Enjoy... BTW, I've got *nothing* at all to do with Esprit - just surprised that they've got so much KLF stuff. Nick King ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: (klf) Re: Esprit Date: 27 May 1999 22:51:36 +0100 (BST) From this ad, what the heck is: JUSTIFIED ANCIENTS OF MU MU Who Killed The Jams? (UK 7-trk LP issued without offending samples, 'clouds' p/s & insert JAMS-LP-2) UK 15.00 / $ 24.00 Culf. > Esprit records (although expensive) have just acquired what seems like a > sizeable KLF/JAMMS collection... > > I'm skint at the moment, but check out http://www.eil.co.uk/eil/klf.txt if > you have some spare cash!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (klf) West Wycombe Caves Date: 27 May 1999 20:36:01 +0100 -----Original Message----- >http://www.netindex.net/national/touristinfo/south/info/museums/ww-caves/in dex.htm WHY??????????????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Snarfy Subject: (klf) The White Room Video Date: 27 May 1999 20:17:59 -0400 (EDT) i forgot who it was that said they would send me a copy of the white room (movie) but i would still REALLY appreciate it, and once i get it converted, would be able to make copies for the american list members. also, i now have Stadium House Trilogy in NTSC form now, so americans, i can do copies.. i am tired of people offering videos on cdrom..these are a LOT lower quality, and it doesn't cost much more to send a video tape.. please..someone with a copy of the white room film, mail me and let me know what we can work out. thanks Snarfy ladies and gentlemen, the freak has left the mail program. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FordTimelord@webtv.net (Dr. Who) Subject: (klf) espirit Date: 27 May 1999 23:08:50 -0400 (EDT) ive emailed espirit 4 or 5 times inquiring about their records ...and i have yet to hear from them.... Doug ~Magruda~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) West Wycombe Caves Date: 27 May 1999 18:55:46 PDT >-----Original Message----- >From: heather steers Subject: (klf) West Wycombe Caves > > > >http://www.netindex.net/national/touristinfo/south/info/museums/ww-caves/in >dex.htm > > > >WHY??????????????? > Well we were talking about these caves and stuff that has an uncany resemplance to the White Room. I hav't actualy hit this link but it looks like a web page for the caves. My guess anyway. Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) The White Room Video Date: 28 May 1999 02:01:42 EDT > i am tired of people offering videos on cdrom..these are a LOT lower > quality, and it doesn't cost much more to send a video tape.. You haven't seen the quality of the WR film thats been floating around. While the quality may not be as good as a proper video, at least there's no degredation in quality for each copy. Just think: you're getting a copy of someone's copy to make a copy in NTSC so you can copy it for other people. The copy you send people is four generations removed from the person who supplied it to your contributor. And I bet even that is a copy, not an original. Try copying a video that many times and compare it to the original. An MPEG doesn't look too bad now. Besides, the copy floating about on cd is pretty large... -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Culf Subject: Re: (klf) West Wycombe Caves Date: 28 May 1999 11:16:38 +0100 (BST) Why what? > -----Original Message----- > From: heather steers Subject: (klf) West Wycombe Caves > > >http://www.netindex.net/national/touristinfo/south/info/museums/ww-caves/in > dex.htm > > WHY??????????????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thorne, Chris" Subject: (klf) Death of Fnord Date: 28 May 1999 10:00:53 -0400 Well if you haven't heard the Fnord FTP site is now dead, its really too bad since this was an amazing site to get tons of KLF stuff. This is what the site says: I have run this ftpsite for over two years now. Lots of KLF-fans have mailed me and everybody seems to enjoy the site. Unfortunately some people can't read the rules. I have noticed that more and more mp3 searchengines lists this site, even though I have specifically asked that I do not want it listed. I can't handle the traffic these searchengines generate, and I am not taking the risk of getting RIAA's attention. This site is closed. Sorry, but this site was never intended for the public. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heather steers Subject: Re: (klf) West Wycombe Caves Date: 28 May 1999 10:25:05 +0100 > Subject: (klf) West Wycombe Caves > > >http://www.netindex.net/national/touristinfo/south/info/museums/ww-caves/in > dex.htm > > WHY??????????????? Was a follow on from the thread: (klf) The Original Inspiration? re: the White Room location. Someone was going to post pics. I found it had a web site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Death of Fnord Date: 28 May 1999 18:10:02 EDT > I have run this ftpsite for over two years now. > Lots of KLF-fans have mailed me and everybody seems > to enjoy the site. Unfortunately some people can't > read the rules. I have noticed that more and more mp3 > searchengines lists this site, even though I have > specifically asked that I do not want it listed. Not that I know all that much about running ftp sites, but I would think changing the extention to something like pm3 or mp3_ would prevent search engine listings... Just a thought, would hate to see it gone. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Gombosi" Subject: Re: (klf) Death of Fnord Date: 28 May 1999 23:59:49 PDT What the hell are you people talking about? I'm DLing from fnord AS I WRITE THIS. Is this a joke or something? > > I have run this ftpsite for over two years now. > > Lots of KLF-fans have mailed me and everybody seems > > to enjoy the site. Unfortunately some people can't > > read the rules. I have noticed that more and more mp3 > > searchengines lists this site, even though I have > > specifically asked that I do not want it listed. > > Chad Gombosi Member SCP http://omocha.shc.uiowa.edu/scp Chad's Game Music Page http://chadsgamemusic.webjump.com "Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel." Emit - Far Away So Close _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mattias Frid Subject: Re: (klf) Death of Fnord Date: 29 May 1999 20:57:31 +0200 Paul said: >Not that I know all that much about running ftp sites, but I would think >changing the extention to something like pm3 or mp3_ would prevent search >engine listings... Nope, I think mp3-search engines work something like this. Someone register the site's ip-no, and login/pw... Then the search engine reads the directory structure and file names on the site every now and then, slams the whole thing in a database and when you search for KLF you get a list of every song with KLF on Fnord (and of course other mp3 sites with KLF songs, wich aren't that many =). The method you suggest would work on the www but not on ftp, since ppl still could register the site's login info in a search engine. Cheers! //FRiD Mattias Frid "People say: 'Just read the Framtidsv. 4:313 facts!' Well, I've read them, S-35252 Vaxjo and you can have them back!" SWEDEN - Bill Drummond, The Man - mfrsv95@student.vxu.se http://www.student.vxu.se/home/mfrsv95/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (klf) copy of original mail Date: 29 May 1999 16:43:14 +0100 I'm certainly interested, but what's the possibility of a small excerpt appearing as an MP3, so that we can try before we buy? After all =A325 i= s a lot to shell out something I might not even like! Cheers Mark ----- Original Message ----- Re: (klf) Once in a lifetime needless to say i need to raise some of the funds to get this project moving and so i have dug deep into my collection and picked out one of the previously unreleased and unique recordings that i have and propose to exclusively release the 45 minute track on a strictly limited edition (500 copies only) professionally produced cd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "andre allen" Subject: (klf) Dem Legendary T-Boxes Date: 29 May 1999 02:08:04 -0700 March MUZIK mag had this leetle jem about our fave ravers under the heading: FIVE LEGENDARY SOUND SYSTEMS "A.K.A. Jimmy Cauty's Tanks The KLF's prankster extraordinaire Jimmy Cauty may have burnt his fortune but he did, at least, leave himself enough loose change to buy two Saracen tanks equipped with low frequency sonic weapons to take out and show off in the name of art. Have been known to kill sheep." the other four legends listed are King Tubby's (of course) Jah Shaka (Lion Yout') Spiral Tribe (?) and Saxon. A question to any who may know: why did Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers do a "Kick out the Jams" track, and why is it so fonky? (pardon the engrish) over and out... HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Villum Subject: (klf) Space - help needed Date: 30 May 1999 18:03:12 +0200 I've been offered an original Space LP - but the guy I am buying it from wants me to make the first offer... Can anyone help me with a reasonable price...? Regeards, Christian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oyvind.kallstad@observer.no Subject: (klf) KLF mix Date: 31 May 1999 7:56:53 +0200 Not long ago we were discussing how nice it was if someone would do=20= covers/mix klf-stuff and we came up with alot of artists that we would=20= like to do the job=2E But someone beat us to it=2E=20= Liam from Prodegy has released a DJmix album, where he mixes amongst=20= other things WHAT TIME IS LOVE=2E=20= Maybe this is old news=2E=2E anyway=2E=2E the album is quite nice=2E Mr=2Ek # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jordan Subject: (klf) K2's Date Approaches Date: 31 May 1999 12:02:39 +0100 Before it disappeared, the official K2 Plant Hire website carried a depiction of a road sign saying: BRIDGE BURNING IN PROGRESS Delays Possible Until 21-6-99 As this date is only 3 weeks away now, perhaps we should keep an eye out for activity. Regards Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lindgren" Subject: Re: (klf) Babylon (a k9 ate my pasty) Date: 31 May 1999 04:19:02 PDT >Igot Black Dog's Babylon 'a k9 ate my pasty' mix the other day, >and although I think it is quite good, it doesn't seem to go >anywhere. It just seems like it's building up all the time without >actually kicking in, I see what you mean and think so too, its building up to something you think going to be HUGE, then it just keeps going on in the same style, a good track though >I was quite dissappointed when it finished. I´m not disappointed, but the track could be even better, still I like it.. >What does everyone else think, and is the 'My Pasty Weighs a >Ton' mix any better? That remix is really good in my opinion, its fucking great and cool still it isn´t too different from the first one, it isnt really ´kickin in´ either, but its closer to ´kickin in´ than the first one, and the rap is good too.. . - David _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ David Lindgren (+46) 026 25 95 42 N:a Götgatan " 0709 521 512 S-811 39 Sandviken Rock´s records " 026 27 31 49 SWEDEN davli44@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus M Seiner" Subject: (klf) For Sale - KLF Vinyl stuff Date: 31 May 1999 19:57:36 +0200 Hi! I have the following items for sale: LP: The Jams - 1987 What the Fuck is going on - not sealed but near mint condition LP: The Jams - The History of the Jams (aka the Timelords) - still sealed 12": The Timelords - Doctorin' The Tardis - near mint condition 12": The KLF - America What Time is love Picture Disc - not sealed but mint condition Please note : Shipping cost from Europe to Overseas will be ca. 20$ Asked Price for all 4 items : 150$ (or make individual offers) offers please to: kseiner@edu.uni-klu.ac.at Klaus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joshuab@reggaesource.com (Joshua B) Subject: (klf) KLF and the Reggae Connection Date: 31 May 1999 03:23:27 GMT Hi folks. I've been mostly lurking for the last couple years, but tonight I thought I'd post about KLF and their connection with Jamaican music styles. A couple examples: Dave Barker sampled on "The Magnificent." This is from his big UK hit "Monkey Spanner." "No More Tears" on The White Room is basically a reggae tune, with a Jamaican singing and DJing (Jamaican term for rapping) on this one, "Justified and Ancient," and a couple others. Anyone care to talk more about this connection? As a reggae radio host, I've played "No More Tears" on a number of occasions on my show. ________________________________________________________ Message generated by Joshua B http://www.reggaesource.com/joshuab http://teriyaki.home.mindspring.com [ICQ: 11864007] [AOL IM: reggaejosh] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Positive Void Communications Subject: Re: (klf) copy of original mail Date: 31 May 1999 22:42:52 -0400 Message text written by "Mark Humphrey" >I'm certainly interested, but what's the possibility of a small excerpt appearing as an MP3, so that we can try before we buy? After all =A325 i= s a lot to shell out something I might not even like!< i considered this but then which 2, 3, 5 or 25 minute section of chill ou= t, space or waiting would you single out as being adequate to convey the essence o= f the whole and besides i do not have either the software or the knowhow to= = encode to mp3 imho i am unlikely to be able to dispell your doubts after all there may = be those who adore chill out but find space weak or waiting too abstract and= vise-versa i have just re-published my website to include details of the cd the tank= and the rave if it is possible to add a sample file in the near future i shal= l let you know if i do not get around to putting a sample on my website and my words fai= l then it is probably best to wait until after the cds release and ask someone to copy it for you after all i can hardly shout copyright infringement : = ) of course this solution would not give you access to the draw nor i confe= ss would it help me to raise the funds for the sound system or the rave so i= must declare my vested interest in you buying an original famous last words . . . i can not make you trust me but i do not believe anyone who gets the cd will be disappointed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf