From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #124 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 124 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 02:08:35 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: Re: (klf) One last thing... Hi cory...thanks for confirming my (vague) compost menticity on X$X. Can I be deadly honest here? I have got loats of info on X$X to share. I know I promised to share it a long time ago (like February but as I said then, I'm not a Web-head so it's taken me time to learn that too. For a while there between Sept 97 and Feb 98 there was, like, X$X action ap[lomb with lots of peoiple contributing stuff concerning the K foundation/Michael K/1991-1995 sightings etc. And there was that extremely annoying claim from somebody that they had the "1997" LP and werent going to share it!!! (DOH!) I'm completely at sea on what X$X is doing on a supposedly official B&J site (T2K) since at last count, X$X werer always denied by K-people. I notice that X$X is some kind of project by JAMM with various unconvincing "press releases from X$X Communications" on their site and an unspecified project. My big query now is... If X$X=JAMM then T2K = NOT 2K I mean...am I right or am I right? Answers on a e-card to....etc Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:04:04 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klf) One last thing... > I'm completely at sea on what X$X is doing on a supposedly official B&J site ( > T2K) since at last count, X$X werer always denied by K-people. www.t2k.net has little, if anything, to do with B&J. Gimpo... yes. B&J... no. The only official B&J site is K2 Plant Hire. > I notice that X$X is some kind of project by JAMM with various unconvincing " > press releases from X$X Communications" on their site and an unspecified > project. My two cents: gathering information on X$X is a waste of time. You might as well wait for 1987 to be re-released. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 04:59:40 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: (klf) X$X AND CHIPS, PLEASE Cheers, Paul. Gathering info on X$X is no longer a waste of time...I've GATHERED IT. (Boy was THAT a waste of time;) B-B-BUTT.... DOH! I cant remember what the but was.... Meanwhile, Gimpo's film is called "CONCRETE ENEMA" and is being shown after midnight on Wenesday 12th August at the SUBTERANIA (Acklam Road W10) venue of the Portabello Film Festival. If you live on other planets, dont bother, it's 3 minutes long and if the first couple of night's state of play are anything to go by, the supoosed "X$X" content or "representation" evinced in the T2K site will be minus zero. That's what y'all git when y'start following an ex-fauklands para around just cos he filmed some cash (well a lot of cash-ALLEGEDLY) being burned. Gimpo.....? I'd rather SHAG SHAG SHAG Anyhows... The current "X$X Communications" from Andy in Essex ring as closely to the original stuff in 1992/3 as the K-TIME homepage does to the K2.PLANTHIRE.LTD site. Dig me now. SO-oo-oo Rather than leave X$X in the grip of Andy EX-ESSEX and the "project" at JAMM, I'M GOING TO PUT UP THE ACTUAL PAST X$X DATA SHORTLY. CAN I ASSUME THAT THE GOINGS ON OF THE LIKES OF JAMM AND XDOLLARX.COM ARE NOT WORTH ADDING? DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT CURRENT X$X ONLINE STUFF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH B&J AND/OR THE PERPETRATORS OF THE WIDELY-PUBLICISED 1991-5 PERIOD X$X STUFF? That's a looooong question but I was hoping that my forthcoming site might close the book on X$X as a definitive reference for those with questions on the whole, prolonged, unresolved saga to date. Once my work is done, I will give my entire KLF archive away to the first homeless person who has a stereo with them and thenceforth never again speak of such things Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 05:10:20 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: (klf) Try this for size! http://www.ucolick.org/~de/webmaster/UCE.html Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:57:43 +0100 From: "Peter Robinson" Subject: (klf) X$X etc. I have, somewhere in a loft in Sussex, a few pieces of mail that I received from Michael Kearney in relation to a KLF fanzine I did in 1992. A couple of postcards, some odd envelopes and so on. Rambling, incoherent, shambolic nonsense they may be, but if anyone's interested I'll have a rummage around and upload them. I met Michael K in 1993 or 4. He was very nice but clearly quite mad and gave no proof or evidence that he had even met B&J. Unless the project has since been adopted by Drummond and Cauty I suspect the situation remains fairly tenuous... I might also have a copy of "1997". I think I could have thrown it away owing to the fact that it was shit. If not I'll let you know. Bye for now Peter Robinson ps: Would anybody like to make me an offer on two large (4 foot) polystyrene horns, made by Simon Cauty for use at The KLF's 1992 banger racing jaunt? They're a bit battered, as you might expect, but up for grabs nonetheless. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:31:52 +0100 From: "Dan Wilkinson" Subject: (klf) New Marshall CD's....Is it worth it? OK, lets get this straight before anyone makes any orders.... I wasn't around on the list when everyone placed orders to TWROST etc, but now, here I am, and I'm quite interested in having a CD copy of Space to replaced my aged warbled taped copy. So.... Q1) Yes, I know the wait has been horrendous for the last lot, but exactly how long? Q2) Is the audio quality good, i.e. comparable to an original CD? Q3) What is the quality of the covers? Are they cheap nasty photocopies, or professional prints? (i.e. will it have the word bootleg written all over it?) Q4) For those who ordered previousley, was it worth the wait? Q5) Exactly how much were they again? Erm... thats about it really.... Regards, DAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:20:40 -0500 From: "Quahogs" Subject: (klf) The Black Room OK, here's the deal: 1) Everything I have found on the web indicates that the Black Room was recorded but not released, right? Even in bootleg form. 2) I have a friend who, when I mentioned it, said he has it. Apparently he (a German) had a friend in London who got it for him, where it was apparently released in a limited quantity of 10,000 or so. So: does there exist a hoax, or a bootleg, or what? He seems to be very familiar with it, and when I mentioned the song "38" (lyrics for which are in the FAQ) he seemed to know what I was talking about. Just to preempt questions: yes, he said he'll get me a copy (burned on cd, even), but it will be probably mid/late September/October before I see it. I just can't imagine that it could be released even in limited quantity and no one on the internet would know about it. Any questions/comments? (Hopefully...) - --Quahogs-- - --------------------------------------------------------------- "Just wait until the dead babies start marching... then you will be eating your words!." --King Fausto, from "The Forbidden Zone" Quahogs http://skapunx.ml.org/~k944 k944@skapunx.ml.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:44:22 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: Re: (klf) X$X etc. Wow! Peter Robinson.. If it be thee, then I am very glad to greet you. As I've been rambling, there was a lot of action on the X$X front in late 97/early 98 during which all manner of CD-Rom/NMME/Melody Maker/1997/NMemeton/Shamen comms "back-catalogue" was unearthed and I asked for lots of it to get to me so as I could collate. We had a Grant Peden get involved, apparently the guy who photographed you and Michael K in 93 for that "Merry Pranksters thing. He said he was pretty sure that you and K were playing the Maker's jouirnalist and that the tape of the interview would make interesting listening. He also said that he knew some others who had had music industry contact with K and that he was more "Chris Morris mad" than "insane" and was definitely a dedicated wind-up with a driving aim of some sort. Scott Piering, in the article you wrote on the meeting also said that K had a "complex" far-reaching scheme. B;ah B;ah. If you are that Peter Robinson, then 3 things... 1. REEEESPECT 2. I'll take that "1997" please!! 3. Have you got a tape of the interview wiith K? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:58:09 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: Re: (klf) The Black Room The Black Room was DEFINITELY released in at least TWO forms...as a cd-rom with graphics etc and as an audio CD with 71 minutes of silence preceded by the words "Dont Buy The Black Room". I have seen the first item and heard the second. I will have scans of the sleeves, labels etc for my forthcoming website. Interesting stuff since I also have a review of the CD-rom in an Amiga comp mag from 1992 which refers to one element on the sleeve...the correspondence address PO BOX91, HP22 4RS. This is well over a year before its use in connection with all things K Foundation. This, if you ask me has always been the crux of the X$X thing. Although not credited TO X$X as such, "The Black Room " CD-Rom DOES contain various elements of audio consistent with the fabled JAMS/ENT "Black Room" sessions. It also contains graphics featuring the X$X "logo/name/sig" AND these graphics DO look like the K Foundation's stylee thing. All of the above is not speculation. I can show it to be REAL DATA from 1992 approx 15-18 months BEFORE that initial K CERA CERA ad in NME which launched the K foundation. There's much much more on this in mags like Future Music (approx 17 items during 1993-5) and CD-Rom mag, CD-Rom Interactive and others. Bear with me. I will put this up within the next4-6 weeks. Meanwhile...can anybody confirm or rubbish the declatration in this week's TIME OUT that t2k is B&J's official new site. This is vital since it currently bears the X$X logo!!! The actual article in Time Out says that they have postponed the Pyramid project and that "interested parties are invited to www.t2k.net for updates".. COMMENTS URGENTLY REQUESTED! Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:27:09 +0100 From: Alex Janzer Subject: (klf) X$X vs JAMM Hi Jerry, X$X is /not/ a JAMM project. Yes, we`ve got a X$X press release and the announcement of a X$X project called "W.T.B.G.B.S.F.S.M.Q." on the JAMM website but you should know that all this information was sent anonymously to us. So there`s no guarantee that this X$X has anything to do with the X$X from the K Foundation era... Regards, AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:30:08 +0200 From: Alex Janzer Subject: (klf) X$X vs JAMM Hi Jerry, X$X is /not/ a JAMM project. Yes, we`ve got a X$X press release and the announcement of a X$X project called "W.T.B.G.B.S.F.S.M.Q." on the JAMM website but you should know that all this information was sent anonymously to us. So there`s no guarantee that this X$X has anything to do with the X$X from the K Foundation era... Regards, AJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:45:48 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: Re: (klf) X$X vs JAMM Thanks Alex...and please, JAMMers...if my emails earlier looked a little ambiguous, I am very much INTO what JAMM is doing. Cant wait to see more happenings! If Andy (and Sarah) in Essex is watching, xdollarx.com is probably going to be great too, but I knew that X$X Communications was a careless attempt at a scam. I'm pretty sure that whatever X$X is, it certainly aint a business with an ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENTand a MANAGING DIRECTOR !! Perhaps I'm wrong and if so, I'll buy you a PINT of X$X Draught Cider (and make it a LARGE one)! Plus......gotta see the bottom of the existing X$X barrel (still not sorted for me at least) before any new apples are rolled in. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:01:57 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klf) New Marshall CD's....Is it worth it? > Q1) Yes, I know the wait has been horrendous for the last lot, but exactly > how long? January 1997. Little over a year for the first cd, still waiting on the second. To be fair, however, he does eventually deliver the cds so even if there is a delay you can be certain that the discs WILL arrive. Unlike... And when the cds are actually available now (rather than preordered like the last batch) turnaround is pretty swift. You can wait until Space actually gets released before ordering. > Q2) Is the audio quality good, i.e. comparable to an original CD? Excellent. Vinyl sources are obviously a wee bit crackle-y, but when only six copies were pressed of it, for instance, it's understandable. > Q3) What is the quality of the covers? Are they cheap nasty photocopies, or > professional prints? (i.e. will it have the word bootleg written all over > it?) Excellecent. Quality printing job. > Q4) For those who ordered previousley, was it worth the wait? Yes, but more frequent updates would have been appreciated. > Q5) Exactly how much were they again? $20 or something. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:06:22 -0600 From: litjen@easynet.co.uk (Graham Scales) Subject: Re: (klf) New Marshall CD's....Is it worth it? >Q1) Yes, I know the wait has been horrendous for the last lot, but exactly >how long? Best you don't know!!!!!!! >Q2) Is the audio quality good, i.e. comparable to an original CD? Well it's a bootleg aanyway so that is a hard comparison to make. >Q3) What is the quality of the covers? Are they cheap nasty photocopies, or >professional prints? (i.e. will it have the word bootleg written all over >it?) It will probably be printed. >Q4) For those who ordered previousley, was it worth the wait? Knowing the content, yes it will be worth it. >Q5) Exactly how much were they again? Fuck know 'cos it was so long ago since I ordered it!!!!!!!!!! ;-) 'laters Graham # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:00:15 PDT From: "Colin Hamilton" Subject: (klf) All this bloody XSX malarky again I agree...thankfully I wasnt on the list when the 1997 LP was proffered and then withdrawn but I've heard about it from friends who will no longer look at this list as a result! But the item in Time Out to which Jerry refers also caught my eye. It points us at http://www.t2k.net where there is indeed an X$X banner. The actual text of the Time Out thing is as follows: Music Preview section (pg 113 of august 5-12th issue "Finally, K2 Planthire Ltd, the latest reincarnation of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty-whose primary objective is to construct a pyramid for the millenium containing one brick to represent every human born in twentieth century Britain, recently postponed the launch proper of their enigmatic new project. Interested parties should take a peek at www.t2k.net for further info." Since Time Out have taken advertising from K2 Planthire Ltd, 2K and K Foundation in the past, I assume this hasnt been scammed in by an autonomous lot... (but maybe?) The actual site points us to the Portabello Film Festival with the message "See You There!" AAAAAARGH! I hat this kind of shit (because it keeps me awake at night). What ever happened to the old "announce a record in the NME on Thursday, buy it on Monday" concepts? I remember when a Mars Bar came free with a semi-detached house etc. Sad old Colin and his simple longings ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:30:43 PDT From: "Colin Hamilton" Subject: (klf) Questions Hi Peter... Have your "Justifeied and Ancient History" and it is not bollocks as Gimpo asserted. It's actually brill! Some questions on "1997"/Michael K/X$X since you're around these parts now... A. What IS this "1997" LP like...("shit", fair enopugh, you say, but there are those of us who may differ if we heard it.) B. Have YOU ever met B&J...if so, when was the last time and have you ever asked them about X$X, Michael K, etc? (I assume not since you seem to be a little uncertain about decrying the whole thing) C. How did you come to write the "Merry Pranksters" article from Melody Maker (in the Mancentral archives). How did the interview with Michael K come about? D. What was Scott Piering on about when he was quoted by you as saying something to the eeffect of "Michael K has a complex scheme but seems to be about media manipulation rather than music" (not your exact text) I ask because at the time, the K Foundation were very much on THAT tip!! E. Have you ever heard from or of Michael K since in respect of your KLF contacts? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:34:15 -0700 From: "Jharek Carnelian" Subject: (klf) 1998-What the Fuck is going on? I'm back on the list too for pretty much the same reason...this Time Out/T2K/X$X development. Is anybody going to the Portabello Festival then? We need a conference FAST! Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:37:53 -0700 From: "Jharek Carnelian" Subject: (klf) The 1997 LP Peter....please please find that 1997 LP. Dont matter if it's shit. I've got to have a copy!!! Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:43:19 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: (klf) Kalevala Heritage Been having a few problems sending mail to the KLF list recently, so I'm not sure whether this will get through. A friend of mine did a search on CD Now and found an album called "Kalevala Heritage- Archive Records of Ancient". It's a Finnish recording, and it's $15. Any connection with the KLF?... Anyone? Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk http://www.atomiser.demon.co.uk The Crisp Packet Triangle Shrine Zone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 12:18:06 +0300 From: David Ashkenazi Subject: (klf) JAMS: The Viagra Conspiracy Begins ? Hi, If anyone still care on this subject. It's been over 23 days since i got that guy e-mail so i sent him another one last week and got this back today: Subject: Re: JAMS: The Viagra Conspiracy Begins ? Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: DJ KUTS To: David Ashkenazi - ---David Ashkenazi wrote: > > Well, it's TIME! you're right. But for some zenarchistic reason, server went down after 23 hours from your mail. File will be up again in mp3 too. And copies of the promo cd should be confusing the british press right now. We're back for good. Or maybe not. == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com I guess he just dont know when to stop or something, i'll be letting you know if there will be any mp3 of the track etc... Later, David 8?) - -- __________________________________ David Ashkenazi, Tel-Aviv, Israel. IRC nickname: "Boredman". Phone: 971-3-6875091 adavid@inter.net.il ICQ: 13255725 13255725@pager.mirabilis.com http://www.mirabilis.com/13255725 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:35:19 PDT From: "Colin Hamilton" Subject: Re: (klf) The Black Room Surely we dont have to go through this again. The Black Room WAS surreptitously released by Drummond and Cauty but not as advertised. Isnt that known, publicised, documented to death. I read all the Future Music articles and it was praised widely as the first CD-Rom release (1992!!) to successfully tie up music and graphics. Piss off Peter Gabriel, David Bowie, The Residents It was also the first CD-Rom (1992!!) to feature linked Web and Cd-rom content. (Ah, Bill Gates, the "innovator" again). This still occasionally comes up in comp mags although most of them seem to have conveniently forgotten now that Bill's gravy is rolling Blah Blah. Unfortunately, despite the above, I've never actually seen the bloody thing. My personal theory on Michael K is that he's the disgruntled programmer of The Black Room lloking for the credit he deserves or summat. Then again...it's not as if he got his tits out on Page 3 of The Sun to complain about it. So...if Peter Robinson says that Michael K's mad, Gimpo says that Peter Robinson is bollocks and as Jerry Cornelius observes Gimpo went to the Falklands without complaint, then how come the trains never run on time around here? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:52:45 EDT From: Subject: Re: (klf) All this bloody XSX malarky again > But the item in Time Out to which Jerry refers also caught my eye. > It points us at http://www.t2k.net > where there is indeed an X$X banner. T2K was formerly the Millennium Crisis site which was put together by Gimpo and M/A/D. It was of interest to K fans primarily for Gimpos involvement and, for me, only because of the information on the Burning the Million Quid film and book info, and the 25 Hour Spin. Other than that I found the site rather complicated looking and uninteresting. When the X$X site popped up (hmm, coincidently right at the same time someone claimed to have a copy of 1997 but refused to share even a cover scan) I stated I thought the site was put together by M/A/D, but he claimed he had nothing to do with it. Now the Millennium Crisis site has become T2K and, surprise, X$X has popped up on that page as well. While I would be the first to say I was wrong should this actually surface and clearly be B&J, I'm doubting it highly. It would have to be pretty convincing evidence to prove otherwise. And I can't imagine Pete Rob tossing out a rare K item even if it were crap. - -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:53:43 EDT From: Subject: (klf) Black Room and the confusion surrounding OK, so from what I understand, there's the Actual Black Room recording on cd, complete with with computer stuff on it, then there's a cd with 71 minutes of nothing and "don't buy the black room", and this bootleg that's just recently surfaced on the list.....does anyone have any confirmed experience listening to these, or does anyone actually own them and want to burn or mp3 them? Sorry if these questions have been answered, but i haven't been able to get all my mail recently, if these questions have been answered, could someone message me personally? Thanx..... Jarrod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 12:10:28 -0500 From: Dave Cowen Subject: (klf) Bollocks! All of it! What in the holy fuck -is- going on? Remember the old days, when Bill & Jimmy would announce, via some sort of bizarre Guardian or NME ad, some bizarre or unbelievable scheme which we'd all shake our heads at until a few months later, when the "proof" that it actually happened hit our hands? Like K Cera Cera (many of us have CDs), the Turner Prize and the Million Quid Burning (the Beeb Omnibus documentary), the One World Orchestra Track (the Help comp), the trek to the North Pole (Bad Wisdom), or the whole bizarre F*** the Millenium thing (the CD single and performance)? Or back in the old days, when they were actually... >gasp<...a band releasing... >gasp< new music? What do we have now? A bunch of people bickering about the ultra-lame circus sideshow being conducted by people somehow related to Bill & Jimmy, farther and farther down the line, all being handled amazingly poorly. I mean, what is this X$X nonsense? The Black Room Interactive CD-ROM? A 1997 album? I mean, who the fuck cares? Bill & Jimmy were masters of one thing: getting the mass media (and audience) to pay attention to their bizarre schemes, duping the world when they won (The Timelords, ambient house, the success of 3am Eternal) and falling into oddly triumphant self-pity when they lost (WKTJ?, The Original White Room movie and soundtrack, the Million Quid Burning). Where is that now? I hope that this is some sort of bizarre deception on B&J's part, luring us netters in with all of these half-baked projects or lies developed by so-called associates, while they do something unbelievable while we're so distracted with trainspotting irrelevant, stupid projects. Fuck Gimpo, "M/A/D", X$X or "Michael K"! We want the JAMS! Dave Cowen (esch@execpc.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:21:36 -0500 From: "Quahogs" Subject: Re: (klf) The Black Room >Surely we dont have to go through this again. >The Black Room WAS surreptitously released by Drummond and Cauty but not >as advertised. > >Isnt that known, publicised, documented to death. > >I read all the Future Music articles and it was praised widely as the >first CD-Rom release (1992!!) Ok... my friend says he has it on vinyl -- has there been any word of this? Sorry if I'm asking the same old questions... maybe someone needs to update the FAQ... - --Quahogs-- - --------------------------------------------------------------- "Just wait until the dead babies start marching... then you will be eating your words!." --King Fausto, from "The Forbidden Zone" Quahogs http://skapunx.ml.org/~k944 k944@skapunx.ml.org - --------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: erik Subject: Re: (klf) New Marshall CD's....Is it worth it? At 17:31 09.08.1998 +0100, you wrote: >Q1) Yes, I know the wait has been horrendous for the last lot, but exactly >how long? LSOM2 and TWR OST where to be released mid-march 97, but the masters took until summer 97 and the factory took until early 98 to have the CDs pressed. The further delay on TWR OST was due to the confiscation of the whole batch by customs authorities. The waiting thing won't happen again btw, Marshall will only offer discs that are already pressed and ready to be sent off in the future. >Q2) Is the audio quality good, i.e. comparable to an original CD? excellent quality >Q3) What is the quality of the covers? Are they cheap nasty photocopies, or >professional prints? (i.e. will it have the word bootleg written all over >it?) professional prints >Q4) For those who ordered previousley, was it worth the wait? yup >Q5) Exactly how much were they again? US$15.-, Europe postage $5.- Don't forget about the cool T-shirts :) :-) erik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik@xdollarx.com | http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~gander/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:39:59 +0100 From: "Peter Robinson" Subject: (klf) Hm... > And I can't imagine Pete Rob tossing out a rare K item even if it were crap. What struck me about all the X$X material I saw - the 1997 tape, the supposed CD Rom - was that they looked as if they had been knocked out in somebody's bedroom. If Drummond and Cauty were attempting to revive any sort of underground chic then I think they're intelligent enough to have done so without playing on the KLF aesthetic, as 1997 did. The CD Rom, when I saw it, was another artist's CD (can't remember whose) with stickers over the top side and deep scratches over the data side. It wouldn't have played. As for the Time Out article, regular readers of the mag might recognise me as a contributor to the music section. I'm surprised that nobody has observed this link, especially since I did that feature on 2K last year. Anyway, the news story about t2k.net is sort of my fault. It was a mistake. Error. Not everything is part of a conspiracy. Cheerio Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:41:53 +0200 From: Niko Tzoukmanis Subject: (klf) just wanna dance hi ! well for those who don't know, 'just wanna dance' is a track from todd terry project. i'd like to sell the following 12" singles : KLF 010T 'Kylie said to Jason' (original / pure trance) KLF 010R 'Kylie said to Jason' (trance kylie express / kylie in a trance / kylie said harder) (latter is NOT the double 12") if you're interested, please email me privately with offers. best regards niko - -- Niko Tzoukmanis URL: http://wwwhoppe.math.uni-augsburg.de/~tzoukman "Life's too short for boring music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:10:17 +0100 From: M/A/D Subject: (klf) T2k.Net Gimpo says "Bollocks" M/A/D says "Hmmmm..." Mr.Green says "The New Agenda did it" Time Out says "Official" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:20:23 +0100 From: "Peter Robinson" Subject: Re: (klf) T2k.Net > Time Out says "Official" Time Out, as those who saw the piece know, said nothing of the sort. In fact we were totally accurate: B&J *have* with-held details of the pyramid project, while interested parties *should* have a look at t2k.net, where info will presumably be available. Oh yes. Peter xx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:34:58 -0700 From: "Jerry Cornelius" Subject: (klf) X$X!!-OFFICIAL!!-NOT!!-MAYBE!!-NOT!! Erm...do ray me so fa so...DOH! Now...the thing is, Peter...(and I believe it is he)... From what I've heard from the unconfirmed reports of "1997" LP (ie. I've never seen or even smelled the MF object) and the context in which it was presented (ie. issued only to journos), the "bedroom approach" you seem to refer to is consistent with what was going on K-wise at the time. They were no longer using the Music Industry manufacturers...the tanks, the glossy printers..the money..even the handouts were all being done "in-house" by the likes of Gimpo. Plus on the info I have about it, there was minimal packaging and only the 1997 hints at ANY connection with the B&J. This has caused a few people to ask why we consider this artefact to be claiming KLF connection at all... Perhaps it's us... But that's moot. A few people have also highlighted the fact that X$X seemed to be going for the ART FORGERY concept. Forging abandoned art? I'm not the best one to expand on that but I'm trying to get a few others back on this list. What about the Michael Jackson saples, Peter...that much I know about from Grant Peden... The phonecalls... An argumant between X$X operatives and Bill Drummond.... can you expand on the 1997 content for the underpriveleged viewers here who think the concept sounds tasty? The 1997 "theme" seems to be "here's the ad-hoc, untidy cut-up follow-up to "1987" for the only people who really appreciated it in the first place Journalists. DOH! Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #124 *************************