From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #103 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:44:14 -0700 From: Richard Ohnstad Subject: RE: (klr650) Tengai input needed Is it possible to replace the standard front rotor and caliper on the = KLR650 with the rotor and calipers from the Tengai. If so, where would = you get these parts from (also what are the part numbers)? - ---------- From: Mark[SMTP:mjv2@psu.edu] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:47 AM To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai input needed Arne Wrote: >My reason for all this: I may be able to get a hold of a 1990 KLR650 >Tengai. The add reads as follows - 12,000 kms (around 8,000 miles), = new >Metzler Sahara tires, new Supertrapp (I don't know which model), new >battery, like new, $4,000 (which would be around $2,750 US). > >1. Is this a fair price? No, but $2,000 USD would be. I paid $1,200 USD for my B2 w/ 7K miles = when I bought it over a year and a half ago. >2. What can ANYONE tell me about the Tengai.? Compare it to let's = say... >oh, the standard KLR. Weight comparison? Handling? Dimensions? Weighs about the same. A little less squirly than my A2, same chassis, = same engine, etc. The Tengai was mainly just a trim package that was $400 = than the standard KLR. >I read the front travel is less. Is it a lot less? Can this be = rectified? >Would a person want to rectify this? It's about 1" lower than the standard KLR. I put Progressive springs in = and it seems higher now (less sag). Much better ride now. >I could tell that a few people were >wanting to convert their KLR's with Tengai front ends... I guess that = this >means that the Tengai front end is O.K.? It's awesome. Has 20mm larger rotor and a two piston caliper. Plus it = has mounting tabs for the lower front fender and the decorative but useless "disc and caliper protector". > >If I go looking at this bike is there anything specific I should watch = out >for? Nothing that you wouldn't look for when buying a standard KLR. > >I like the looks of it (from pictures I was able to find). It's kind = of got >that Translap/F650 Euro flavor. I love its looks. That's why I bought a standard KLR so I can preserve = the Tengai. It sure looks like less of a pig than the bloated, overweight TransAlp. = (I do like the TransAlp BTW, but I'd never take it to the places my Tengai = has seen) Mark B2 "The Poser" (The bike formerly known as the woods warrior) A2 "The Woods Warrior" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:11:57 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) More RIP KLR Well Spoken... BRAVO. As long as you're going to be O.K., why line lawyers pockets and give insurance companies even more reason to raise the rates even higher. I'm not saying that suing is always inappropriate, at times it is necessary, but I'm sure our insurance rates wouldn't be as high as they are today were it not for the millions paid out to false and exaggerated claims. Maybe Jeff was being sarcastic, but as for denying everything and making counter accusations??? Speak the TRUTH. Arne - -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Cole To: 'Jeff & Lisa Walker' Cc: 'KLR650@lists.xmission.com' Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 8:02 AM Subject: RE: (klr650) More RIP KLR >We certainly have two different positions on this issue. The driver didn't >mean to hit me. He had no malice towards me. It was a mistake and they are >made every single day. I asked the driver later what he thought of the >accident. He apologized and said he was sorry for yelling at me. He stated >he was shaken up and scared when he saw me fly over the car. I certainly >believe him since I would be in the same situation. He simply over-reacted >causing me to over-react. > >Most people are good people, but they make mistakes. He learned not to >follow motorcyclist too closely and I learned not to slow too fast when cars >are behind me. His insurance company is flipping the bill for everything no >questions asked (I know so I won't sue). Sure I am in pain, but no more so >than when I high sided that curve a few months back. I'll heal... the >shoulder will be stiff... and all will be well. > >Besides, the last thing I want to do is make another lawyer more money. > >C. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff & Lisa Walker [mailto:jlwalk@prodigy.net] >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:41 AM >> To: Cameron Cole; KLR650@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: (klr650) More RIP KLR >> >> >> >> >> >I don't think what was asked was inappropriate or out-of-line. I can >> >understand how the question would be misconstrued though. >> > >> >Whenever you are in an accident lets all hope we walk away a >> little wiser >> >regardless of the situation. I think that was what he was >> asking. We can >> >all learn more and while I do consider the fact that I >> slowed too fast a >> >mistake. I personally believe the other guy was definitely >> in the wrong. >> > >> >Afterwards, I did lose my temper (partially from the >> accident and partially >> >from his extremely poor attitude). When I said I hit the >> guy, I was being >> >quite literal (I still have a mean left hook). I went way >> too far and >> >should have walked away from the imbecile. I have no plans >> on suing him >> >since accidents happen and he is paying for medical, motorcycle, and >> >equipment. >> > >> >IMHO, C. >> > >> >> >> Sorry to hear about your wreck and hope you heal up fast, >> since spring and >> summer riding is coming up. >> >> You might want to reconsider not suing him for a couple of >> reasons. First >> and foremost, what if you don't heal up properly? My wife >> was rear ended in >> our car 3 years ago, and she still has back problems, and >> likely always >> will. What's that worth to you for having a lifetime of pain for a >> preventable accident? Say you're going to physical therapy >> for over a year. >> At some point, the insurance company won't want to pay >> anymore, and will >> want to settle. My next point is that you owe it to all of >> us other riders. >> One more lawsuit for money will get the insurance company's >> attention, and >> insurance companies have strong lobbies. If the insurance >> company gets >> tired of extraordinary medical expenses and large >> settlements, then maybe >> they will push legislation for increased driver training, and thereby >> prevent car vs. bike accidents in the future. Its a dream, >> but its still >> within the realm of reality. >> >> Here in WA, riders aren't required to even have insurance, since legal >> precedence shows that the courts always side with the rider >> when it comes to >> accidents, even when the rider was at fault. I carried liability and >> medical insurance last year anyway, but then I realized that it was >> pointless, since it wasn't required, and the max medical >> coverage that my >> company would give was $5000, for rider and passenger. I >> decided that money >> would be better spent on a life insurance policy for my family. >> >> Hey, if the issue ever comes up that you struck the driver, >> just say that >> you were suffering from post traumatic stress. And just >> remember to admit >> nothing, deny everything, and make counter accusations. >> >> Jeff >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:06:16 EST From: PMDean650@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) New (used) KLR! > What happened to those '94's? Did they get hit with the ugly stick, or > what? After a while the ugliness will give you great peace of mind. You never have to worry about someone wanting to steal it. I've forgotten my key in the ignition more than once. I rode in a 24 hour rally last year and I was so flustered at the start I lost my key twice in the first 20 minutes. Determined not to lose it again, I rode the rest of the rally without removing it from the ignition even during stops for rest, food, gas, and bonus point hunting. Another time I was riding home with a dead battery. It took so long to get the thing started I was very reluctant to turn it off. I made several stops in the 400 miles it took to get home, leaving my bike with the key in the ignition AND the engine running... not a problem. Try that with a VFR. Pete Dean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:07:15 -0700 From: "Tim Bernard" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Moab weather Hi Forgot about the park pass. How much? Should be about 10 of us. I guess my concern on the snowpack was that we are from 170-200 percent of normal around here. I will enclose the agenda Moab tentative trip plan Wednesday 4-21 travel to Goblin Valley State Park. Primitive camping Thursday 4-22 ride San Rafael Swell south of Interstate Friday 4-23 ride San Rafael Swell & depart in the afternoon to Moab to Canyon Lands RV Park. Saturday 4-24 Enjoy Moab Car Show etc.....maybe afternoon ride Sunday 4-25 Depart early for Dugout Ranch & Beef Basin .......long day Jerry & Tim need transportation this day Monday 4-26 Depart for Boise Happy trails - -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink To: Tim Bernard ; K650dsn@aol.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:01 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Moab weather > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Bernard >To: Fred Hink ; K650dsn@aol.com ; >klr650@lists.xmission.com >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:43 AM >Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Moab weather > > >>Got a 435 do not need a tail wind. The weather in Moab depends upon the >time >>of day. >>Fred---Do you think the Dug-Out Ranch road to ---- Basin will be open by >>April 25 or will have to go over & back via elephant. Why don't you join >us? > >Hi Tim, > >We have had less than average snowfall here and there is even less down >south of Moab. I would imagine that the snow would be gone there by then. >Which "Basin" are you asking about? The road from Dugout to Beef Basin or >Dugout to Lockhart Basin? If you go over to Beef Basin then you will have >to go up and over Elephant Hill. The Beef Basin to Lockhart Basin to Moab >would be a very long day. Elephant Hill and Lockhart would be quite a bit >shorter and just as nice, still a long day. If you do the loop in the >"Needles" I would highly recommend doing the Joint Trail (hiking) while you >are out there. You probably already know this but you will need a street >legal bike and a park pass to do Elephant Hill. > >Count me in, this sounds fun. Who is going? > >Fred > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:22:56 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai input needed - replacing front rotor From what I've been able to gather in the archives, (I think it was Kurts posting), I think the forks would also have to be replaced. I've also read that there are aftermarket (oversized) rotors available for the KLR's. HEY - ask Fred. Arne - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ohnstad To: 'klr650@lists.xmission.com' Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: RE: (klr650) Tengai input needed >Is it possible to replace the standard front rotor and caliper on the KLR650 with the rotor and calipers from the Tengai. If so, where would you get these parts from (also what are the part numbers)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:20:35 +0000 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: Re: (klr650) Low battery Nadir1225@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/7/99 5:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rascal9@snet.net > writes: > > > Went to start up my KLR yesterday (1st time in 2 weeks) and had to bump > > start it due to a low battery. > > Sorry I am of no help to you with this problem, but I was curious to BUMP > start a KLR! Note: Bump starting is a process one can use to start a bike in a race, start a bike if you have a low battery, or start a bike when the electronic starter motor fails (no kick-start option). It means to turn on the fuel, apply the choke, turn on the key, push the bike until you get into a good run and then jump up on the seat, pull the clutch, shift into 1st or second gear, let the clutch out, and hope it starts before the bike comes to a halt. Jeff A2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Chuck MacKarness" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork Air Pressure? Thanks Jeff, I haven't seen that label yet, but I'll look. Even the dealer didn't know why valves were resting on top of the forks if they were supposed to run at ambient pressure. I still need to look at the pressure after they heat up, it is a small chamber... Congratulations on the A13! I am really liking mine. - ---Jeff Hayden wrote: > > > > "Rev. Chuck MacKarness" wrote: > > > Anybody know if 10-psi cold will damage the seals, or promote early > > demise? > > > > Maybe I should measure the fork pressure after a good long washboard... > > As a new comer to the digest, I was waiting to see if the experienced > digesters would reply. They didn't so here goes: > > While waxing the new KLR650-A13 (3/4/99) I found a label on the left front > fork tube near the reflector that addresses the fork tube Maximum Air > Pressure issue. "35 psi MAX" I would use a hand style pump on it if I > were you. > > -- > Jeff - KLR650-A13 --- > http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj - Down Home Page > http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj/hamstuff - HAM It UP Page > > > == Rev. Chuck '99 KLR651 :^)>+ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Chuck MacKarness" Subject: Re: (klr650) Fork Air Pressure? Thanks Jeff, I haven't seen that label yet, but I'll look. Even the dealer didn't know why valves were resting on top of the forks if they were supposed to run at ambient pressure. I still need to look at the pressure after they heat up, it is a small chamber... Congratulations on the A13! I am really liking mine. - ---Jeff Hayden wrote: > > > > "Rev. Chuck MacKarness" wrote: > > > Anybody know if 10-psi cold will damage the seals, or promote early > > demise? > > > > Maybe I should measure the fork pressure after a good long washboard... > > As a new comer to the digest, I was waiting to see if the experienced > digesters would reply. They didn't so here goes: > > While waxing the new KLR650-A13 (3/4/99) I found a label on the left front > fork tube near the reflector that addresses the fork tube Maximum Air > Pressure issue. "35 psi MAX" I would use a hand style pump on it if I > were you. > > -- > Jeff - KLR650-A13 --- > http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj - Down Home Page > http://www.flash.net/~n5ujj/hamstuff - HAM It UP Page > > > == Rev. Chuck '99 KLR651 :^)>+ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:02:56 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai input needed - replacing front rotor - -----Original Message----- From: Arne Larsen To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 5:24 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Tengai input needed - replacing front rotor >>From what I've been able to gather in the archives, (I think it was Kurts >posting), I think the forks would also have to be replaced. I've also read >that there are aftermarket (oversized) rotors available for the KLR's. > HEY - ask Fred. > >Arne Seems to me I remember that you would have to replace the forks too. I sell several different oversized rotors. One I can get (MAP Engineering) and the other (Braking Systems) has been on backorder for almost 8 months. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:06:38 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) New (used) KLR! My friend's butt ugly '95 KLR was stolen in front of his GF's place with a disk lock and I think a cable lock through the back. I agree KLR's are not as attractive as VFR's to steal, but don't get cocky or you'll be KLR-less. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: PMDean650@aol.com To: ewinslow@mail.his.com ; klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 12:09 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) New (used) KLR! >> What happened to those '94's? Did they get hit with the ugly stick, or >> what? > >After a while the ugliness will give you great peace of mind. You never >have to worry about someone wanting to steal it. I've forgotten my key >in the ignition more than once. > >I rode in a 24 hour rally last year and I was so flustered at the start >I lost my key twice in the first 20 minutes. Determined not to lose it >again, I rode the rest of the rally without removing it from the ignition >even during stops for rest, food, gas, and bonus point hunting. > >Another time I was riding home with a dead battery. It took so long >to get the thing started I was very reluctant to turn it off. I made >several stops in the 400 miles it took to get home, leaving my bike >with the key in the ignition AND the engine running... not a problem. > >Try that with a VFR. > >Pete Dean > ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #103 ****************************