From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1069 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1069 (klr650) NKLR - Government telling us what to do Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert Re: (klr650) Radiator Guard? Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:22:27 -0400 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Government telling us what to do "When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." When can we grow up? Everyone is aware that by shutting down riding areas, you only stop the law abiding citizens who tend to NOT destroy stuff unnecessarily. All BS to make someone look good. When does it end? Everyone, and I MEAN IT, bitch and moan at your congress people. Don't put up with their BS political line. When the hell will we ever get straight talk from our "leaders"? Amazing how the US culture continually punishes the "good citizens" for acts of the low-life, yet refuse to punish low-life scum. We continually lose little bits of our freedom with each law passed. If something bad happens, laws are passed taking away freedom. Of course, these laws only affect those of us who are law-abiding citizens. The scum who start all the bad crap in the first place couldn't give a rat's ass about any restrictions or laws because they don't care anyway. Knee-jerk bs solutions to everyhing, just like drugs Sure, arrest people, impound stuff. We've got people sniffing paint!!!! You can't fight a demand by cutting off the supply. Ahhh, I'm sick of this crap, good thing I'm going camping this weekend! ;) Mr. T, how are things in Australia regarding citizenship transfer? I'm about ready to get on a boat. Ted Nugent for write-in candidate 2000 Eric J www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page '98 KLR 650 20,000 miles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:56:59 -0700 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert WDSRC wrote: > > This is just a notice of Clinton's Executive order closing 40 million acres > nationawide back on October 13. Is this the date the order went into effect, or just the date of the notice? Also, anyone know the Executive orders number or act name? Is this a done deal or is there hope for repeal? >Look for "Land Closure Willy" to close more > areas with the stroke of a pen (instead of going thru the legal process set > up by Congress) to help boost Al Gore's Presidential bid. Say more about 'Land Closure Willy'. Facts por favor. Thanks Toby Lampson >BTW, if you think > Bill's closing a lot of lands, wait till you see what'll happen if "Keep "Em > All Out Al" is elected! > > Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: Darrel & Deanna > To: KLR list > Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:25 PM > Subject: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert > > >Listers- Below is an incomplete OHV alert from AMA. Has anyone heard the > >whole story on this development? I've requested the complete post from AMA > >and will forward it to the list when it arrives. > >Darrel, A12 'avenger' > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Eric_Lundquist@ama-cycle.org > >To: Terry_Cook@ama-cycle.org > >Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:32 PM > >Subject: OHV Alert > >> October 13, 1999 > >> > >>Dear AMA Member: > >> > >>This is an important alert. It is so important that we wrote a new > >computer > >>program for it, allowing us to communicate with every AMA member who has > >given > >>us an e-mail address. Please share this message with all of your friends, > >>family and acquaintances who enjoy motorcycling or ATV recreation. > >> > >>SITUATION: President Clinton today signed an executive order that will > >>radically change the way lands in our National Forests are managed. This > >>sweeping plan could eliminate motorized recreation on 55 million acres of > >Forest > >>Service land all across the nation. That > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:55:40 -0700 From: "Tom Ingram" Subject: Re: (klr650) Radiator Guard? On the other hand... I do not have the radiator guards, and I high-sided the bike at about 20 mph on a dirt road, with the bike landing on the left side, and no damage to the bike except scratched plastic. These bikes are tough! Tom Ingram Montrose, CO - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Bruce King ; Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 9:29 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Radiator Guard?&GS/KLR > > > Hi, > > Does anyone recommend an aftermarket radiator guard and if so why? > Has it > > worked for anyone having dropped the bike on its left side? Or, what > > happens, generally, when you drop it without one? > > Most of the time my bike is going to hit the moose aluminum handguards > and highway pegs first...The worst damage I've seen was on Alan Parker's > bike. Alan took a major hit in a boulder field and wiped out his shroud, > fan, and bent the tank from a direct hit. I did my best to replicate his > experience on a recent bad day outing and took two nasty falls in > boulder fields on the leftside. Another time I dropped the bike on its > leftside while changing the front tire. All three times the radiator > guards were in place and the extent of the damage was limited to the > shroud being tweaked and easily straightened. So, for my book, they are > worth having on both sides. Alan told me that the fan alone was close to > $200... > > Kurt > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:02:42 -0700 From: Gregory Petrich Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert Just to add a little perspective... What has been happening on public USFS lands to inspire this kind of action?? Most of the so called "roadless remaining wildlands" are "roadless" for a very practical reason. Namely, they are the bottom of the barrel in the greater scheme of of things for places that you would want to put legitimate roads (note that I am not refering to the pirate trails that some folks like to cut illegally). Just what has happened to make these places "the bottom of the barrel". First - all the places that are easy to put roads - places that have high resource values - have been roaded - much of this for clearcut logging activity subsidized at taxpayer expense. Much of what is left is places which are very difficult and expensive to road. They often have what are called high movement, or highly eroadable soils that want to wash away into fish streams etc... At industry's prodding, the Forest Service has tried to bust into these areas for years. The result has been swarms of law suits saying you are trying to do a very dumb thing. Now, after years and years of this stand off which has only made the lawyers rich - some bright bulb in the Forest Service decided that instead of beating your head against the wall trying to build very very expensive roads into impractical places - why not spend our efforts repairing previously made roads, so that the recreational public can use them, - and we can fix areas which are pouring silt into class 1 trout streams etc... Lets see... How much of a back log of this kind of stuff is there???? Wow - $8 Billion dollars worth (no I'm not kidding). Check this out - From the official Forest Service statement: "The current national forest road system includes 380,000 miles of road, enough road to circle the globe more than 15 times. But the agency currently has a road reconstruction and maintenance backlog of approximately $8.4 billion. In addition to the monetary costs, the environmental costs of road construction in roadless areas remain visible and potentially damaging for decades. Road construction increases the risk of erosion, landslides, and slope failure, endangering the health of entire watersheds that provide drinking water to millions of Americans and critical habitat for fish and wildlife. Growing scientific information demonstrates that road construction and other development in these sensitive areas can allow entry of invasive plants and animals that threaten the health of native species, increase human-caused fire, disrupt habitat connectivity, and otherwise compromise the attributes that make roadless areas socially valuable and ecologically important." The bottom line for me is I'm going to respect all opinions on this one - but anyone who doesn't recognize that we already have quite a bit of road to recreate on is seriously high in my book. Is it worth breaking up the last wild places for quick kicks - I'm happy being able to ride my KLR at high speed, busting loose the back tire on every corner, right up to the start of I wild area - then take off the back pack and hike the rest of the way in. I like the best of both worlds - thank you. - - Greg ___________________________ WDSRC wrote: > This is just a notice of Clinton's Executive order closing 40 million acres > nationawide back on October 13. Look for "Land Closure Willy" to close more > areas with the stroke of a pen (instead of going thru the legal process set > up by Congress) to help boost Al Gore's Presidential bid. BTW, if you think > Bill's closing a lot of lands, wait till you see what'll happen if "Keep "Em > All Out Al" is elected! > > Robert > -----Original Message----- > From: Darrel & Deanna > To: KLR list > Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:25 PM > Subject: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert > > >Listers- Below is an incomplete OHV alert from AMA. Has anyone heard the > >whole story on this development? I've requested the complete post from AMA > >and will forward it to the list when it arrives. > >Darrel, A12 'avenger' > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Eric_Lundquist@ama-cycle.org > >To: Terry_Cook@ama-cycle.org > >Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:32 PM > >Subject: OHV Alert > >> October 13, 1999 > >> > >>Dear AMA Member: > >> > >>This is an important alert. It is so important that we wrote a new > >computer > >>program for it, allowing us to communicate with every AMA member who has > >given > >>us an e-mail address. Please share this message with all of your friends, > >>family and acquaintances who enjoy motorcycling or ATV recreation. > >> > >>SITUATION: President Clinton today signed an executive order that will > >>radically change the way lands in our National Forests are managed. This > >>sweeping plan could eliminate motorized recreation on 55 million acres of > >Forest > >>Service land all across the nation. That > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:08:47 -0700 From: Adam Stahnke Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: OHV Alert - --------------D1448BE88C06644D81603E46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For more information visit: http://www.ourforests.org/update.htm Best qoute: "For this policy to be a homerun it must protect roadless areas in all National Forests from logging, mining, roadbuilding and other damaging activities." Enjoy! Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: > > i was under the impression that the included lands were already roadless > > areas being proposed for wilderness (?) designation. true? > > > Not true. Their definition of a road is either paved, or gravel improved. > Many, many forest service roads are dirt, or two track. This will of course > close off all single track also, and not just to motorcycles, but to > mountain bikes as well. When you hear "roadless" by the media, this is just > the president's spin doctors at work, and we all know how hard those guys > work! (Monica Lewinski ring any alarm bells for you?) > > Another point: Even if the areas were totally roadless and trails, this > action goes against the constitution of our nation. Laws are created by the > Congress, not by the executive office. This is another case of legislation > without representation. The president has absolutely no regard for the > effects that this will have on local economies and recreational users of > these lands. Say a company, "X", runs a mountain bike guide service, well, > they're out of business, just like that! And there wasn't even a law > passed, just the whim of the president. I have already written my senator, > Slade Gorton, as well as the president and vice president, and I urge all of > you to do as well. > > Jeff > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. - --------------D1448BE88C06644D81603E46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For more information visit:

http://www.ourforests.org/update.htm

Best qoute:

"For this policy to be a homerun it must protect roadless areas in all National Forests from logging, mining, roadbuilding and other damaging activities."

Enjoy!
 

Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:

> i was under the impression that the included lands were already roadless
> areas being proposed for wilderness (?) designation.  true?
>
Not true.  Their definition of a road is either paved, or gravel improved.
Many, many forest service roads are dirt, or two track.  This will of course
close off all single track also, and not just to motorcycles, but to
mountain bikes as well.  When you hear "roadless" by the media, this is just
the president's spin doctors at work, and we all know how hard those guys
work!  (Monica Lewinski ring any alarm bells for you?)

Another point:  Even if the areas were totally roadless and trails, this
action goes against the constitution of our nation.  Laws are created by the
Congress, not by the executive office.  This is another case of legislation
without representation.  The president has absolutely no regard for the
effects that this will have on local economies and recreational users of
these lands.  Say a company, "X", runs a mountain bike guide service, well,
they're out of business, just like that!  And there wasn't even a law
passed, just the whim of the president.  I have already written my senator,
Slade Gorton, as well as the president and vice president, and I urge all of
you to do as well.

Jeff

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  - --------------D1448BE88C06644D81603E46-- Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:25:43 -0400 From: Patrick Sprague Subject: Re: (klr650) Thread stripping, Why? This past w/e I did the first recommended service on my A13 at 1,200 miles; there was no evidence that the PO had done it. After reading the horror stories of the lovely cam cover bolts I proceeded quite cautiously. The shop service manual and Eldon's webpage article were most helpful. If I wanted to design a bolt that would shear on very little lateral force it might look a lot like these cam cover bolts. The mixed metallurgies don't help either. Too bad Kawi hasn't seen fit to "upgrade" these bolts also. Luckliy, the valves were in spec. On reassembly I used some never-seize and "two fingers and one thumb on a short box-end wrench" for my torque value. To my understanding all these four bolts do is keep the gasket pressed against the metals so earl doesn't get out. I'll keep an eye on them for loosening. Got the new state inspection sticker on the bike today and did a short ride at 36 F. What a FUN bike. :^) Pat KLRIDER At 11:32 AM 10/25/99 -0600, Bogdan Swider wrote: >O.K., neither Juan's nor Larry's bolts had anti-seize on them when they were >removed. However Larry doesn't think electro-what ever it's called corrosion >was the cause of the threads taking a dump; they were simply weak. I wonder, >what does this corrosion look like to the naked eye? Would it be only or >more visible in the hole which is soft alloy than the bolt which is steel? >In which case how would you see it? It's dark in there.... Still wondering >why some peoples bolts strip when others don't when neither party >over-torques. For sure, one reason is the bolt being overtightened in a past >operation and hanging there by a thread (maybe literally). Curious in >Colorado, Bogdan > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >for info. > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1069 *****************************