From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #107 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 107 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:22:10 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) E.A.R. vs IDS , >Steve >(who reminds you that those who oppose us will stand ankle-deep in the blood >of their children) > I would like to stress that killing children and other non-combatants is against the Geneva Convention's Laws of Land Warfare, and is punishable by court-martial, and execution by firing squad. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:39:20 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) trimming replies Thanks for the much need plea Rich. Darrel A12 ********************************** Hey folks, I hate to be a grump but could y'all please take a moment when you're replying to a message from the list to trim the quoted text . It's gotten reeeaall bad lately and makes scanning the digests a major pain. Thanks, Rich CMRA #352 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:42:06 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content) > But aside from that, well, it can be hard to say just how good a bike they >actualy are because most of the folks that own them seem to put few miles >on them. Many of their owners claim excelent service, but then they might >have 5 year old bikes that have 6,000 miles on them. Its weird. It is often >observed that many Harley owners realy arent interested in owning a >motorcycle but rather are buying into a lifestyle, a state of mind, a >myth...whatever. Exactly. And I want to know, if the image is to be this "rebel" type, then why do they all wear the same uniform? Leather jacket, leather chaps, Nazi style half helmet, blah blah blah. My abuelita said it best one night when we were watching "Cops at Daytona". She said "All those beautiful bikes, and the people on them look like shit!" > I did manage to sit down and talk with a group of aviation mechanics out >of Atlanta at a motorcycle campground. They were on big touring bikes that >averaged about five years old and 35,000-50,000 miles on the clock, so for >once I had some Harley people that were qualified to tell me what the deal >was. They reported what sounded like what struck me as a somewhat excessive >number of mechancal problems, but overall they seemed to be holding up OK. >Its not like jumping on some Honda hydraulic-valved inline four (ultra-low >maintenece) but they were decent. > My thinking is that engineering should always be progressing and improving. In design and manufacturing processes. It shouldn't remain static, like with the Harley. If they aren't going to make any improvements, how can they justify charging so much four antiquated designs? Collectable? Not my cup of tea. Like car show cars that never get driven. Bikes are meant to be ridden daily. I do kind of like the new Buells though. Just my opinions. My brother in law is really into his custom HD's. Three in his garage at last count. We don't get along too well. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:48:52 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: (klr650) DS Adventure KLRists- For those of you who enjoyed reading my Death Valley riding adventure, I'm currently working on a written account of my latest dual sport ride with some fellow KLRists. And what an adventure it was! More than I bargained for, that's for sure. Anyway I'll be submitting it for exclusive publishing in Gino's DSN newsletter (if he accepts it). If you haven't subscribed yet, I would encourage you to do so. It's a fine rag that's chock full of useful information and probably still in its infancy. Darrel A12 "avenger" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:50:55 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) DS Adventure >>Anyway I'll be submitting it for exclusive publishing in Gino's DSN newsletter (if he accepts it).<< Hey, I'm easy... as far as accepting stuff for the DSN. Just send it in with some pics. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:28:59 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content) I heard at Daytona (walking around listening to scuttlebutt) that the new Harley motors (the twin cam 88's) are NOT to be serviced by HD dealers. Any engine related service calls are to be sent back to the factory for evaluation and the customer will rec'v a *new* crate motor under waranty. Anybody else heard this? Seems extreme but the engine is in its infancy... Saw a LOT of Harleys roadside with heads (the drivers) in engines that week. Wonder what they were all fixin/cussin? Jake in Jacksonville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:39:22 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content) I read in Rider? that Harley has a new program for rebuilding Evo engines. When the engine gets to that point the dealer sends it to the factory instead of rebuilding it himself. There it gets refurbished to factory specs. It costs about 2 grand. Bogdan . Any engine related service calls are to be sent back to the factory for evaluation and the customer will rec'v a *new* crate motor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:37:20 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: (klr650) Buying a new bike I found a really good page for pricing bikes (assuming they are correct prices). I was surprised to find out a 1998 KLR650 is only worth 2600$US as a trade in and then sold at 4000$US. Stephen Rivett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:46:05 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) Buying a used bike I think I've gone crazy, anyway, here's the link http://www.kbb.com - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rivett To: KLR650-List Date: March 9, 1999 6:38 PM Subject: (klr650) Buying a new bike >I found a really good page for pricing bikes (assuming they are correct >prices). I was surprised to find out a 1998 KLR650 is only worth 2600$US as >a trade in and then sold at 4000$US. >Stephen Rivett > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:41:56 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Buying a new bike Well I bought my new '98 KLR at $3533US new in '98 so I'd say that price was a little optimistic for a one year old bike. Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rivett To: KLR650-List Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:37 PM Subject: (klr650) Buying a new bike >I found a really good page for pricing bikes (assuming they are correct >prices). I was surprised to find out a 1998 KLR650 is only worth 2600$US as >a trade in and then sold at 4000$US. >Stephen Rivett > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:44:48 EST From: VFR754@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Dakar F650 in BMW ON Magazine.... Just checked out the article on the Dakar winning F650 in BMW ON magazine. 75hp, 112 mph top speed. Doesn't look anything like an F650 though. Has Acerbis handguards and dual headlight setup, and a huge skid plate and extra large tanks for gas. This brought a question to my mind. Do the other manufacturers such as KTM & Yamaha change their bikes this much, or do they try and compete with them relatively stock? I noticed that a KTM was only a little over 4 minutes behind the winning F650. They've got pictures in BMW ON of a rider jumping over sand dunes on the Dakar bike. Pretty cool for a Beemer....Even if they did come out with a Dakar version of the F650 though, it'd probably cost twice as much $ as a nicely equipped KLR. Sure would be nice to get 75hp out of the Moose; but it wheelies with a throttle crack now (Dynojet/K&N/Supertrapp), handles & rides great (Progressives), and I can ride it all day down an Interstate. Not too shabby for the cash invested.... Yup, Bill Swindle A12 "Moose" Montgomery, Il. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:55:23 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) Dakar F650 in BMW ON Magazine.... If an authentic F650 Dakar Replica (suspension, tank and 75bhp engine) were sold for twice the cost of a KLR it would be a killer deal and well worth it. Sort of a moot argument as I imagine the only thing we'd see that came from the Dakar bike would likely be a set of decals! Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: VFR754@aol.com To: KLR650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:55 PM Subject: (klr650) Dakar F650 in BMW ON Magazine.... >Just checked out the article on the Dakar winning F650 in BMW ON magazine. >75hp, 112 mph top speed. Doesn't look anything like an F650 though. Has >Acerbis handguards and dual headlight setup, and a huge skid plate and extra >large tanks for gas. This brought a question to my mind. Do the other >manufacturers such as KTM & Yamaha change their bikes this much, or do they >try and compete with them relatively stock? I noticed that a KTM was only a >little over 4 minutes behind the winning F650. They've got pictures in BMW ON >of a rider jumping over sand dunes on the Dakar bike. Pretty cool for a >Beemer....Even if they did come out with a Dakar version of the F650 though, >it'd probably cost twice as much $ as a nicely equipped KLR. Sure would be >nice to get 75hp out of the Moose; but it wheelies with a throttle crack now >(Dynojet/K&N/Supertrapp), handles & rides great (Progressives), and I can >ride it all day down an Interstate. Not too shabby for the cash invested.... > >Yup, > >Bill Swindle >A12 "Moose" >Montgomery, Il. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:40:20 -0800 From: Jean Philippe Bagel Subject: (klr650) The stock light just stinks! Hi all, Last Saturday I went riding for hours, and had to come back in the early evening. Granted the road I was going thru was pretty deep in woods, but I could not see anything. Boy was it an unpleasant experience... Some people have mentioned a 80/100 bulb, right? Fred do you carry it, and what's the price? Any opinion to share on this? - -JP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:49:02 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Dare I ask (no KLR content) In a message dated 3/9/99 2:23:56 PM Central Standard Time, klr650@bellsouth.net writes: << Saw a LOT of Harleys roadside with heads (the drivers) in engines that week. Wonder what they were all fixin/cussin? >> Last Sturgis I did back in 76 there was a billboard in town that said "Harley riders stay to the right, do the best you can".Not a slam, just reporting a humorous observation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:41:41 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR - Buy American ? In a message dated 3/9/99 1:00:34 PM Central Standard Time, jlwalk@prodigy.net writes: << My hobby was buying a car, fixing it up, cruise it for a while, sell it, and buy another. The time I spent on this hobby was therapy, and kept me out of trouble >> I can't see why the author has to justify his opinion to anyone on this or any other list! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:55:07 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: (klr650) Re: (nklr)WIFE ON WHEELS Darrel, fellow Listers I need your advice. My wife has purchased a motorcycle. This may not strike folks as odd, however she has always avoided mine as if it were a coiled rattlesnake. I guess the upcoming trip to Moab and the amount of time I have spent over the last couple of years with my bike were enough to sway her. I am still not sure. First, the bike. We found a brand new Honda CT90 trail bike, its a 78 with 200 miles on it. I figured it would be a good bike to get started on. Step through frame, light weight, centrifugal clutch, yellow, I know I can get my money out of it if we decided to sell it. It is also street legal, although I wouldn't ride it on the freeway. So far the bike is cute and not intimidating for her. Second, She has never even ridden on a motorcycle, let alone driven one! I have enough respect for my wife and her temper ( six foot tall Irish descended REDHEAD) to know better than to try to teach her how to ride it myself. I recall when we were at the Del Mar Mile race you mentioned you taught a motorcycle safety course in Oxnard. I was hoping you might have an address or phone number of someone in this area who taught a similar course that might be up to a challenge. Thirdly. Even though Killarney (that would be the wife) continues to remind me that I already know everything, I would not mind taking the course myself. If for no other reason than to reduce my insurance rates (however I am sure it would be very beneficial for me as well, just don't let her know that). Would you recommend separate courses or is there a course that comes with a marriage counselor! Fourth. There might be a DSN article here if I live to tell about it. THIS IS A MAJOR DEPARTURE FROM THE NORM FOR THIS HOUSEHOLD. Any advice or suggestions welcome here. Also any support from our female listers is more than welcome. Morgan moving into a whole new phase in his life ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:59:35 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) The stock light just stinks! I put a 100/110 bulb in mine. Works great. Its illegal, but who cares. I'd rather be an outlaw than dead. What made even more of a difference was adjusting it properly. The bulb is a standard H-4 type bulb, widely available. You bet Fred has em. Morgan "DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:11:17 EST From: Krgrife@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) The stock light just stinks! In a message dated 3/9/99 4:42:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, jpbagel@microsoft.com writes: > Some people have mentioned a 80/100 bulb, right? Fred do you carry it, and > what's the price? Any opinion to share on this? I use a 55/100 watt bulb. I like using the standard wattage low beam since that puts no strain on the electrical system during normal daylight running. I have heard of fuses blowing with the 100 watt high beam but I have had no problems. Kurt Grife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:15:01 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) UltraII At 08:06 PM 3/8/99 -0800, Marick Payton wrote: >I've been mulling over the choice between the Motoport Ultra II and >the Darien. The Ultra II does sound like the ultimate in protection >and better for hot weather. But, how well does that removable >waterprood liner work? It is a hassle to put on when that sudden shower >surprises you? Does it make the jacket realllllly hot during a summer >rain? What's it like to have the whole outer shell soaked? Marick, Re the Motoport Ultra II - Here in humid Florida, the idea is not to wear the inner waterproof liner during a summer rain. A little moisture comes through, but then when the sun comes out again the water dries and wicks outward, cooling the rider. In a cold steady rain, the liner warms and protects the rider from getting chilled and wet. In the few times I've worn the liner, I don't bother to zip it to the pants and jacket. Works fine. The design philosophy of the Motoport departs from conventional thinking, and IMHO is effective. Tom Jamrog has a detailed evaluation of the Motoport used to ride from Maine to Alaska at http://www.midcoast.com/~balrog/bike/aritcles/Motoport_Suit_Prod_Review.txt Tom's opinion swayed me, because I wasn't crazy about "sealing myself up" in a fabric that could not breathe. Most Cordura fabrics are coated with sealer, and in the case of my Joe Rocket jacket, made hot sweaty spots. The Motoport gets hot at a standstill, of course, but the ventilation system is adjustable and well designed. Motoport honors their two year warranty. I had some minor complaints about the liner fraying where it rubbed against Motoport's own Ultra II pants, so they are putting in a solid piece liner below the waist. I tend to be rough on clothes, so you might not have the same problem. Stuart KLR A12 Juno Beach, FL ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #107 ****************************