From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1089 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, October 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1089 (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #1086 (klr650) re; fork seals Re: (klr650) nklr Ohhh Baby!! RE: (klr650) NKLR Here's an introduction... Re: (klr650) steering head bearings Re: (klr650) steering head bearings (klr650) RE:( klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! Re: (klr650) re; fork seals (klr650) Lowering Links Re: (klr650) Check out a web page for me (klr650) Steering head bearing adjustment Re: (klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! Re: (klr650) Lowering Links RE: (klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:16:03 EDT From: GVBettes@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: klr650-digest V2 #1086 In a message dated 10/28/99 10:11:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > Whoa! I still can't believe the # of folks using Almost OnLine! Darn, we > gave up supporting that way back in '96! Don't jump on me too soon. As it happens, I am waiting for a cable modem (due in December) to change isp. Hopefully everything will get much better after that. We still need to help those less fortunate when possible. Gary B. A10 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:59:50 -0400 From: "Eric Jasniewicz" Subject: (klr650) re; fork seals Oh boy, is someone gonna tell him he did this the really, really, REALLY hard way? Haven't changed them yet on my KLR, but my youger wheelie-filled days required regular fork seal replacement on my streetbikes. Basically drop the fork leg, drain the oil, remove the dust cap, take a pick and remove the retaining clip, gouge the old seal with the pick and start taking it off the fork tube. Either use a piece of PVC or just be very careful when installing the new seal. Eric J www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page '98 KLR 650 21,000 miles Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:31:32 -0700 From: George Basinet Subject: Re: (klr650) nklr Ohhh Baby!! > I'm considering buying a pickup truck (when in > Texas...). I've narrowed it down to a Tacoma, Tundra, and F-150 (6.5 > ft bed). Will a bike like a KLX300 fit into the bed of these > puppies?<< > > > I thought you said you were buying a pickup truck. Chevy 3/4 ton is > the only kind there is :-) > > Gino > > > Sure Gino, unless it's a Dodge Ram 2500 Sport 4x4 Extended Cab! > > Rob > > Juan, Please buy a small Ford, I hate being the Lone Ranger :) George Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:37:17 -0400 From: "Cassell, Jonathan Z" Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR Here's an introduction... > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:08:47 -0700 > From: "DGBH" > Subject: (klr650) Here's an introduction.... > > Here's a non-US perspective on gun control from a country > that doesn't havea problem with it. 'Gun's don't kill people, people do' is > bullshit. Kid has gun, kid kills someone. Kid has stick or fist or rock, kid hurts > someone. If the goal is less death, have fewer guns. > > DGBH Absolute nonsense. When I was a kid, you could order a gun from Sears, Roebuck, mailorder, and many did. We had riflery in summer camp. There was nothing like the violence we have now. Since obviously the correlation is not with the availability of guns, it must be with something else. If you try to solve the wrong problem, the right problem will persist. Irrational solutions are not solutions, they are invitations to the continuation of the problem. QED. -Spike Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:40:20 -0500 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: Re: (klr650) steering head bearings > From: Pokluda, Gino > >>Toby, sounds like the bearings are too tight. Your bars should still flop > side to side with gravity. For safety's sake LOOSEN the bearings up a > little BEFORE your next ride so they actually move without resistance. > This is very important because the bike will not turn as well with them too > tight. You might find yourself going into a corner and realizing that your > bike doesn't want to turn. It's happened to me and it is not fun. :(<< > > Have to disagree here. I've been running slightly tight steering head > bearings for over 20K on my KLR with no safety issues. Please note that 1. > KLR's have tapered roller bearings that can be run on the tighter side. > 2.Ball and race bearings should never be over tightened. I have mine tight > enough not to allow the wheel to flop over. > Gino Fair enough... I guess if you are used to a certain amount of resistance in the bars when turning it sort of "disappears" and it isn't then a problem for handling. BUT, I still want to warn Toby that if his bars weren't that tight before, it will could feel different when riding it, and chances are this difference in handling could show up at the most inopportune moment. When I overtightened my headbearings once, I ended up talking a right turn wide after a stoplight and inadvertantly went into the far lane (which I wasn't aiming for). Luckily it was't opposing traffic. It took me by surprise and I didn't quite know what to do, other than let off the gas and turn around and go home. At the time I was more inexperienced so the surprise effect on me was bigger too, I guess. I think what's important is to realize that you can still properly adjust the bearings and have the bars flop from side to side with gravity. In fact, if I recall correctly, thats the only way the service manual specifies to do it. If this is Toby's first head bearing adjust, I'd say go by the book. Gino, you slightly overtightened your bearings knowingly and probably knew what to expect. I don't know if Toby did it knowingly, or how much he overtightened them by. I'd hate to assume any of this and neglect saying something when it could possibly cause and accident. Because of this I want make sure he understands the possible dangers. Thanks, Carlos Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 8:45:00 -0600 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: Re: (klr650) steering head bearings >>BUT, I still want to warn Toby that if his bars weren't that tight before, it will could feel different when riding it, and chances are this difference in handling could show up at the most inopportune moment. << Absolutely. Anytime a change like that is made, the rider should be aware of the changes in handling. >>I think what's important is to realize that you can still properly adjust the bearings and have the bars flop from side to side with gravity. In fact, if I recall correctly, thats the only way the service manual specifies to do it. If this is Toby's first head bearing adjust, I'd say go by the book.<< Yes, that's how the books dictates they should be tightened. >>Gino, you slightly overtightened your bearings knowingly and probably knew what to expect. I don't know if Toby did it knowingly, or how much he overtightened them by. I'd hate to assume any of this and neglect saying something when it could possibly cause and accident. Because of this I want make sure he understands the possible dangers.<< Good point. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:11:15 -0400 From: "Cassell, Jonathan Z" Subject: (klr650) RE:( klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 8:02:00 -0600 > From: "Pokluda, Gino" > Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! > > Morgan has a good point, so I'm going for a list record of > insulting the most people possible in one post. Here goes.... > ... > Did I miss anybody? > > Gino Vegetarians? Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:23:01 -0500 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Y._Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: Re: (klr650) re; fork seals > Oh boy, is someone gonna tell him he did this the really, really, REALLY > hard way? > > Haven't changed them yet on my KLR, but my youger wheelie-filled days > required regular fork seal replacement on my streetbikes. Basically drop > the fork leg, drain the oil, remove the dust cap, take a pick and remove the > retaining clip, gouge the old seal with the pick and start taking it off the > fork tube. > Eric J Oh jeez... SON of a... why............ Why........ WHY!?!?! sniffle. Just kidding, I'm not crying yet :) ...well I suppose I had a fair go at trying it like this. Especially once I realized that getting that damn hex screw out at the bottom wasn't going to be easy. I got the dust seal off by prying, no problem. But I had no luck with the actual oil seal. If somebody has a trick to this I'd like to hear it for next time I do this. That sucker was on tight, you could really tell a little later when it came time to pound it out, it took some good wacks to get it to break free. Plus it was hard rubber so it was hard to gouge anything into it solidly enough where you could pull it out. The couple of times I really tried I ended up hitting the fork slider with the pick. I quit there for fear of damaging the slider surface near the seals and resigned to talking them apart. Hmmm... now that I think about it, this sounds like something a my local shops would charge me 60 bucks to do. Except they wouldn't quit until my forks were really scratched up. Of course I wouldn't know until my seals would blow out a few thousand miles later. Don't you love this? I just managed to knock my local service depts. without them even touching my bike! Maybe I am bitter. Who knew? Carlos (hoping nobody else has anything timely to say about wonderful time-saving shortcuts) :) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:38:24 -0700 From: Jason Lutz - ISDX Subject: (klr650) Lowering Links Hi Everyone! This is my first post I've placed so be nice! I have a question concerning the lowering links... I purchased a pair from Dual Star along with a lowered center stand. Everything is quality material and I am very happy with the purchase, but I do have one problem: If you remove the factory links and install the lowering links WITH the washers, the threads of the factory bolts do not go all the way through the nuts. If you take out the washers, the threads show past the nuts. My problem here is that I have always been under the impression that you should see at least two threads to know that the bolt and nut are on properly. I decided that it would be better to go without the washers so that I can have peace of mind and know that the nuts will stay on while riding the bike. Question #1: Am I paranoid? Should the threads show past the nut to be secure? Question #2: Is there any problem with using the links without the washers? The original links had no washers. I hope that makes sense... Thanks, Jason Phoenix, AZ Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:41:03 PDT From: "John Lyon" Subject: Re: (klr650) Check out a web page for me Bill, I use IE 5 and the page looks fine. John On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:37:13 -0400, Bill Haycock wrote: > Would a few of you guys go to the Dual Sport Web Page and check out the > formatting on the "Editor's" page for me. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Villarreal Subject: (klr650) Steering head bearing adjustment - --- toby link wrote: > I didn't do > anything different from the manual besides not > removing the tank. I > loosened the lower fork clamp, the big nut on > top and then adjusted the > spanner nut ( left the lock washer in place > because it turned with the > adjuster). Toby- If I understand correctly, it's the two UPPER triple clamps that have to be loosened for this procedure, not the lower ones. The directions at the website are a little off in this regard, as confirmed by me with The Gino-Man himself. I don't know how big a player this might be, but me-thinks that by not loosening the correct clamps you could have merely created some more tension, but in the wrong places. Try giving it another go with the uppers loosened next time (leave the lowers alone). Good luck! Juan Villarreal P.S. Thanks everyone for the info on the trucks. And thanks to LindaT and Kathleen for the hugs (where's my medal?!)! ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:59:34 -0400 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! At 10:12 AM 10/29/99 -0400, SeniorA13@aol.com wrote: >Gino, somehow you missed us fat, old guys. Nah, he didn't. He won't admit to Darwin, but knows that us well-marbled motorcycle riders can mean only trouble in the wilderness. Stuart A12 Juno Beach "Don't stand too close to the bait, man." Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:57:46 -0400 From: "R. Kaub" Subject: Re: (klr650) Lowering Links At 08:38 AM 10/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Everyone! >I have a question concerning the lowering links... > >I purchased a pair from Dual Star along with a lowered center stand. >Everything is quality material and I am very happy with the purchase, but I >do have one problem: <<<<>>>> Jason: Put the links on with the washers as the instructions illustrate. Torque the nuts to the proper torque and don't worry about it. Carefully read and FOLLOW the installation instructions for the center stand as well. Both the center stand and the links are quality items (I have them both on my '98) that will give trouble free service if you install them as instructed. Thanks. Bob Kaub Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:59:22 -0600 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) NKLR- Mute! Mute!! MUTE!!! Lets see. Don't leave without carb-loading; a six pack +1/2 pint should work. Make sure both the Beemer & klr have 10ozs of oil over the sight line. The oil must be SJ. Wear shorts, flip flops and of course no helmet. Check your steering head bearings; they must me very, very tight. Share your experience with the list in any other language but English. Piggyback on the longest post you can find; don't snip anything. Sorry if I've forgotten something, Bogdan Don't buy any Americn truck, if it ain't from Japan it isn't worth it. Buy a BMW R1150GS and put a trailer on it because that's all they are good for anyway. Put the KLR in the trailer. Be sure both bikes have Acerbis hand guards, the best ever made. Ride the rig through pristine wilderness area, putting up Rush Limbaugh signs along the way. Be sure to carry at least two fully loaded concealed fire arms when doing this and also remove the muffler from both bikes. When you set up you campsite, play Abba music ( they are the best band ever) as load a possible. Did I miss anybody? Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1089 *****************************