From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #1119 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1119 Re: (klr650) nklr- DR650SE gearing/2-upping (klr650) cold hands RE: (klr650) cold hands Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon! RE: (klr650) high RPM'S dangerous? RE: (klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500 RE: (klr650) cold hands Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon! (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? (klr650) RE: Complain to Dual Star or not? (klr650) NKLR - P.S. Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance check success. Re: (klr650) chain tension Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:37:59 -0800 From: Tobin Lampson Subject: Re: (klr650) nklr- DR650SE gearing/2-upping Kurt Simpson, speaking about the DR650SE, wrote: snip > After taking it for a good long > ride I confirmed to myself exactly what Gino reported in an early report > in the "Dual Sport Alliance" it is a heck of a bike...... hmmmmm. > ........ The DR is lighter, > lower, more nimble in every respect. It's suspension stock is far better > than the KLR. On the ride with my son, two-up I went to some places that > my KLR would've been bottoming out like crazy. Never came close with the > DR. But all of this is no surprise. The DR can't compare to the KLR for > longer jaunts and then going off-road. I wonder if you could say a little about the DR's gearing in relation to the KLR's. > > So, I'm going to make the DR my primary dual-sport bike and look for > something that is better for two-up road/fire-road riding. I've been > struggling with this for two years...the two-up thing. I like the > ST-1100 but don't like giving up the fire-road thing. > > Kurt In considering this somewhat. It seems to me, two-up riding is 'work' except on tame fire roads and pavement. This would be true on any bike, no? If you were riding on say 'logging roads' with dips, steeps, and awkward corners, I can see a full on DP bike. Still, I could very well be wearing blinders right now. desert born Slide Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:36:05 -0500 From: "Scherer, Michael" Subject: (klr650) cold hands It is time for me to explore electric gloves/grips and vest. The gloves and/or grips are my first concern. Where on the KLR do I get my electric for accesories like gloves or grips? Is it straight from the battery terminals? Or is there a place to get the power somewhere along the line? Biker Mike A13 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:46:00 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino" Subject: RE: (klr650) cold hands >>Is it straight from the battery terminals? Or is there a place to get the power somewhere along the line? <<\ I run mine straight from the battery. I also add a pig tail for a battery tender. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:46:00 -0600 From: Alan L Henderson Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon! > >Unless there really is an 'expert' on the list who can shed some light on >the subject, I think the moral of the story is to believe the oil level >indicators and don't put a fixed amount of oil in the bike as you never get >a fixed amount out! > >DGBH > Holy Smokes! Duck and Cover! Alan Henderson A13 Iowa here we go again Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:50:55 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) high RPM'S dangerous? What was their rational for this opinion? I often run 80-95mph with stock gearing and the engine sounds and feels great during this alleged abuse. I've been doing this for the entire 24k miles I've put on this bike (I bought it at 4k); it's only needed a valve adjustment once and the valves were only slightly off. Valve tightening I'm told is a traditional indicator that the engine is being run hard. Bogdan glass and the engine is not run at high speeds (above 72 mph) for very long periods... Kurt Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:57:05 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:38 -0500 Eric ole pal, I've enjoyed your posts. + You've got an uncle with my first name. Reconsider!! Bogdan, Who fills his oil a bit over the sight line. GET A GODDAMN BRAIN. Arne please take me off the list, I'm sick of this shit. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:58:22 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) cold hands -----Original Message----- Same setup here. Bogdan <<\ I run mine straight from the battery. I also add a pig tail for a battery tender. Gino Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:25:04 -0500 From: "Steamroller" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon! Presently we have 3 vehicles from Kawasaki Heavy Industries. 2000 KEH 300 Lakota 1999 VN 750 cruiser 1996 KLR 650 All use a sight glass to check the oil level. All are models rather long in the tooth. If KHI made a mistake in the location of the sight glass when designing the KLR, I'm sure that it would have been rectified sometime during it's production run. At the very least someone, somewhere would be notified by KHI that the glass is wrong. No where have I seen this to be so. Yet I have seen quite a few KLR's and many other HIGH MILEAGE, LOW BREAK DOWN vehicles produced by KHI and none suffers any adverse effects from maintaining the oil level using the site glass as a guide. I will go by the recommendations of the people that designed engineered and build the thing. Excessive oil levels create a host of problems, such as foaming. And a further question I have is: If you maintain the sight glass is wrong, you would have to be 10 oz. low before you will know. Or is there some other way to check the oil level? NY Pete. - -----Original Message----- From: Ted Palmer To: klr650 Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil levels: C'mon! >dobeman@sprint.ca wrote: >[...] >> Having said all that, do you also only change the oil every 10,000 kms >> (6,000 miles) like the Kawi engineers say is all that's necessary? Do you >> and will you only use Dunlop K750 tires becuase that's what the engineers >> designed to go with the bike? > >And do I fill my 600 cooling system so that there is airspace in >the header tank? No way. > >Mister_T > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net >for info. > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:39:12 -0700 From: Jason Lutz - ISDX Subject: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? Hi All, Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I would pose a question... Scenario: Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg (Torqued, of course). Put center stand on and also lowering links. Rode bike on off rode adventure. Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting patiently for me. Rock hit left foot peg. Bolts snapped like toothpicks. Bad ride home. Options: 1) Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since mounting. 2) Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket. 3) Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store. Opinions? Jason Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:38:59 -0800 From: Sarah Barwig Subject: Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? Well, seeing as Mike & Carrie (owner/sole proprietor of Dual Star & wife) just hit a cow while riding their KLR recently, you may get slow service from Dual Star right now. Perhaps a letter to them asking for replacement bolts, or specs on what you should look for at the hardware store yourself. Last time I bought replacement bolts & nuts for an aftermarket piece that didn't come with exactly the right thing, I was only out $2, so it didn't bother me that much... Sarah Jason Lutz - ISDX wrote: > Hi All, > > Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I > would pose a question... > > Scenario: > > Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg > (Torqued, of course). Put center stand on and also lowering links. Rode > bike on off rode adventure. Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting > patiently for me. Rock hit left foot peg. Bolts snapped like toothpicks. > Bad ride home. > > Options: > > 1) Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since > mounting. > > 2) Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket. > > 3) Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store. > > Opinions? > > Jason > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net > for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:44:26 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Lutz - ISDX To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 1:39 PM Subject: (klr650) Complain to Dual Star or not? > Hi All, > > Since I don't see too many emails being swapped back in forth, I thought I > would pose a question... > > Scenario: > > Purchased a Dual Star center stand with bolts that go thru foot peg > (Torqued, of course). Put center stand on and also lowering links. Rode > bike on off rode adventure. Hit a small wash and a rock that was waiting > patiently for me. Rock hit left foot peg. Bolts snapped like toothpicks. > Bad ride home. > > Options: > > 1) Request bolts from Dual Star free o' charge noting first ride since > mounting. > > 2) Order new bolts from Dual Star, out of my pocket. > > 3) Find similar bolts at local bike shop or hardware store. > > Opinions? > > Jason Jason, Did I miss something?? What makes you think Mike owes you some bolts that you broke by hitting a rock? If I were you, I would go to you local bike shop and take the broken bolts with you. This way you will be sure to get the correct size bolts. Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:17:05 -0700 From: Jason Lutz - ISDX Subject: (klr650) RE: Complain to Dual Star or not? Yep, I have to agree with you Fred. I broke the things fair and square. But the first time I took the bike out? Actually, those bolts probably saved my foot peg. If they would have held up to the shock of the impact, maybe the welding to the frame would have cracked. I will see if Dual Star can get me some bolts, just to throw them some business. Out of my pocket... Jason - --- Jason, Did I miss something?? What makes you think Mike owes you some bolts that you broke by hitting a rock? If I were you, I would go to you local bike shop and take the broken bolts with you. This way you will be sure to get the correct size bolts. Fred Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:21:37 -0700 From: Jason Lutz - ISDX Subject: (klr650) NKLR - P.S. P.S. Didn't find the ends of the broken bolts...probably shot out like bullets!!! Jason Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:07:50 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Valve Clearance check success. > Next project - Progressive fork spring installation. > > Andrew. > This will seem almost boring compared to the valve check! Its a much easier job. Just make sure that you get your oil level correct, which is the same oil level that the manual calls for. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:10:23 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) chain tension > I recently purchased a 94' KLR with a few extras including a larger rear > sprocket. I mention the larger sprocket for what it's worth as information > regarding my problem relevant or not: I cannot keep my chain tension > stable. The chain loosens dramatically after 40-50 miles. The procedure in > the shop manual I ordered has not helped me. ( Or maybe just too stupid to > figure it out) Before I take it to a shop I thought I would admit my > shortcomings to the list and risk the intellectual scarring. Mike > If it keeps stretching on you, then it is probably nearing the end of its usable life, as chains stretch faster when they are nearly worn out. Are you sure that you torqued the rear axle nut? Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:17:18 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: Fw: (klr650) Speaking of electrics NKLR > O.K., do they go + to - or - to +. Bogdan > > What I'm saying is yes, especially with the Hiesenburg Uncertainty > Principle, no one can ever tell EXACTLY where the electrons are, but > you can > mathematically predict where they PROPABLY are, and the Drift > Velocity is > the average motion of the electrons, caused by an applied electric > field. > > Jeff Current flow is an abstract concept, and it was Benjamine Franklin who arbitrarily decided which was positive, and which was negative. The current flow concept says that current flows from the positive terminal, through the circuit, then to the negative terminal. And, for electrical analysis, this is valid. The actual average flow of electrons, at the drift velocity, is from the negative to the positive. I understand that the US Navy actually attempted to teach their techs this, and teach the current flow concept to agree with the actual flow of electrons, but it confused too many people, and wasn't standard with the rest of the world, so they changed back. Jeff Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to dsneditor@softhome.net for info. ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #1119 *****************************