From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #117 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 117 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:12:55 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR I'm Back! - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Kurt Simpson Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 10:54 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR I'm Back! > > >>Welcome back Jeff, thought we lost you in the Gun controversy..you were a >good poster >>and I'm sure you'll add a lot... >> >>Kurt >> >Sorry, I haven't had time to review all of the archives. What was the gun >controversy? 9 mm versus .40 S&W? Weaver stance versus isosceles? H & K >MP-5 versus Colt M-4 Carbine? Hard to imagine a serious controversy >involving firearms in this country. (sarcasm big time) What was this >wilderness controversy I heard about too? Maybe you could send me a link to >the proper archive. > >Thanks, > >Jeff > > This is the latest greatest web searchable... http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 This is the gateway version...most readable... http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/cgi/lwgate.cgi/KLR650/archives/ This is the downloadable: http://www.xmission.com:80/pub/lists/klr650/archive/ No comment on the other points...my lips are sealed by example... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 05:37:48 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing >windshield. I've heard that it is pretty expensive, but I don't know, and >would like to check it out for myself. > >Jeff Last year it was $10 a foot and I think I ordered 40 inches which proved to be more than I needed for my 8" Clearview...does it help? Yes...it helped a lot until I ordered my modified Corbin which raised me up an inch...I think it will help me more when I get the lowering links on.... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:43:24 -0500 From: "Rob and Laurie" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR KTM600 EXC Lc4 question Run, Run away! The KTM 43-strokes prior to '95 were troublesome beasts! Robert - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: (klr650) NKLR KTM600 EXC Lc4 question >Folks, >While I'm working to fix my KLR, along comes a pretty good looking deal >on a KTM. It doesn't have the baja kit on it so it's dirt only right now. It >has low >hours. It's a '90. Any general information about this bike and KTM would be >GREATLY appreciated. How much do you think I should pay for this bike? >Of course, I'm gonna keep the KLR! :-) >Cheers! >Chris > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:45:01 -0500 From: "Rob and Laurie" Subject: (klr650) DR350 list Anybody know how i can subscribe to the new DR350 list I've heard about? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:04:00 +0000 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing At 09:38 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: > > >>At 09:46 PM 3/10/99 -0000, Andy Burton wrote: >>>I notice the `fairing` (plastic bit around the headlamp) on the American >>>KLR's have a taller windshield and flare out to the side above the >mudguard. >>> >>>Does it work??? >> >> >> To a degree. It deflects the wind off of the torso pretty well. >> >> >>-Tom >>'96 KLR 650 >> >I've been thinking about adding some "Stealth" edging around the stock >screen. Maybe that would get the wind stream over my helmet when I'm >crouched over the tank at 80 MPH. Personaly, I added a handlebar mounted windshield. *That* works. Dunnow about the miracle "stealth" edging. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:06:27 +0000 From: Tom Simpson Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing At 11:37 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Arne Larsen wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Skip Faulkner >To: KLR650 Page >Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:16 PM >Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing > > >> >>I bought some Stealth edging at the BMW Rally this summer. Placed it on the >>windscreen and around the sides of the fairing. Very noticeable improvement >>in wind noise and buffeting. Whereas the wind was hitting right at the top >>of my visor, now it`s clearing my helmet. >> >>Skip >> > >Do I dare ask what "stealth" edging is? Its a kind of rubber moulding that you slip on the edges of your windshield that supposidly "adds a couple of inches" to it size, in terms of its abilityu to deflect air. I have no personal experience with it but know that it is *quite* expensive. - -Tom '96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:29:17 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Don't sweat it... >..... I gotta tell you guys that I'm really PISSED right now; and I'm doing >my best to vent in the most constructive manner possible.... Don't let it get to you Arne. Give the gentlemen the benefit of the doubt and assume he was only trying to engage in a humorous aside. I've actually enjoyed your on-going quest for knowledge, information, and validation. I'm not into blind loyalty to any man, product, or credo, if I was I would have bought a Beemer [flame on, knaves! ;-)]. Occasional re-evaluations of why we bought the KLR can only be good for all of us. Regarding the extended warranty... Those things require a bit of soul searching. Do you have the time, expertise, AND inclination to really tear into your bike should the need arise? When I bought my bike two years ago I had the inclination but neither the time nor expertise, so I went for the whole four year thing. I deployed overseas alot, and didn't want to spend my precious weekends turning wrenches. If you don't have ALL THREE of the above things going for you, than I'd consider buying it. BUT... If you're talking strictly in terms of reliability, then I suspect a new KLR is probably as close to a fail-safe ride as you could get, especially for the money (boy I've jinxed you now!). As you've probably noticed, most of the stuff posted to this list isn't of the "show-stopper" variety. It's more along the lines of tweaking, customizing, and performance enhancement. A real testament to the bike's fundamental cast iron strength and resilience. A person with a modicum of mechanical ability could easily forego the extension and ride in full confidence. If you're in that category, then a purchase of a KLR should present no problems for you. Whatever you decide, enjoy yourself and keep the questions coming. Later... Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:29:09 EST From: Rcklr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (klr650) KLR fairing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_921248949_boundary Content-ID: <0_921248949@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 3/12/99 3:04:17 AM Central Standard Time, jlwalk@prodigy.net writes: << It is applied to the circumference of the screen and is supposed to increase the turbulence at the edge, thus creating a larger void in the slipstream behind the windshield. I've heard that it is pretty expensive, but I don't know, and would like to check it out for myself. Jeff >> Hey guys, I've used the "stealth" edging in the past, and it is a good thing. It doesn't increase the size of the windshield effect, but it does smooth out the air. I don't have it on my KLR, but I plan to when I decide if I'm staying with the stock shield or reinstalling my Rifle shield. Just my $.02 worth. MN Ron (Aren, stay with us and ignore the little guys. The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked...) - --part0_921248949_boundary Content-ID: <0_921248949@inet_out.mail.prodigy.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:04:16 -0500 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id EAA23852; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10LNqx-0007IX-00 for klr650-goout@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:03:35 -0700 Received: from [207.115.59.137] (helo=virtualmaster3-int.prodigy.net) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10LNqv-0007IS-00 for klr650@lists.xmission.com; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:03:33 -0700 Received: from jlwalk (slip-32-100-100-211.wa.us.ibm.net [32.100.100.211]) by virtualmaster3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA390414; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <017f01be6c67$f1728c80$53646420@jlwalk> From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" To: "Arne Larsen" , "KLR650 Page" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:08:47 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > >Do I dare ask what "stealth" edging is? > >Arne (Gun-shy??? Me???) > Check out http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page11.html#anchor71137 for a pretty good picture of stealth edging on a windscreen. Also check out http://www.saeng.com for the company that makes it. It is applied to the circumference of the screen and is supposed to increase the turbulence at the edge, thus creating a larger void in the slipstream behind the windshield. I've heard that it is pretty expensive, but I don't know, and would like to check it out for myself. Jeff BTW. Stop deliberating, you've found your bike. Go out and get you one a= nd RIDE! - --part0_921248949_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:27:34 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions - KLR In a message dated 3/11/99 11:37:38 PM Central Standard Time, chris_beasley@mindspring.com writes: << Well, if the force is the same, but the rotor has a larger diameter, then the force is acting on a longer lever. So you have "stronger" braking. If you hang a 1lb. weight from a 1ft. lever you have 1ft.lb. of torque at the pivot. If you hang the same weight from a 2ft lever, you have 2ft.lb.s of torque. QED >> Chris, you mean that if the rotor could be increased an unlimited amount, the caliper and brake pad could be decreased an unlimited amount and still have the same braking? Is there any extra force needed for the extra inertial force from the extra "flywheel" effect and could a cast iron rotor with more friction do the same as a bigger stainless steel rotor? Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:50:30 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) Stealth edging Hello Skip, I think I'm going to invest in some of that newfangled edging. A couple of questions first... - - How easy or difficult is it to fit and mount (I'll be putting it on the stock fairing and windscreen)? - - How much length did you require for your fairing and windscreen (today would be the day I didn't ride my bike to work)? Thanks in advance, Juan Villarreal Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:38:11 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) DR350 list...NKLR - -----Original Message----- From: Rob and Laurie To: klr 650 club list Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:40 AM Subject: (klr650) DR350 list >Anybody know how i can subscribe to the new DR350 list I've heard about? > >Robert Glad you asked. Send a message to majordomo@lists.xmission.com, leave the subject blank, in the body type (without the quotes) "subscribe dr350"...that's it...traffic is light the list is only two weeks old but has about 60 members so far...it'll be a good'un... Kurt Salt Lake City ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:42:23 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Stealth edging >Hello Skip, > >I think I'm going to invest in some of that newfangled edging. A couple >of questions first... > >- How easy or difficult is it to fit and mount (I'll be putting it on >the stock fairing and windscreen)? > >- How much length did you require for your fairing and windscreen (today >would be the day I didn't ride my bike to work)? > >Thanks in advance, Juan Villarreal It is easy to put on...it just requires a couple of gentle pinches of pliers every now and then...it is held on by interspaced pieces of metal molded into the rubber...as far as length..just take a string to the outside edge of your shield and add 2" for good measure... Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:54:33 -0600 From: waynef Subject: (klr650) Stealth edging I Just put some on my stock windshield this morning--the required length is 20" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:46 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR KTM600 EXC Lc4 question Christopher J Beasley wrote: > > on a KTM. > It's a '90. Any general information about this bike and KTM would be > GREATLY appreciated. I too heard the same "avoid" warning from a local privateer shop mechanic re: avoiding pre-95 KTM's. They hesitate to take them on trade because of their cantankerous nature and difficult starting, especially among the larger CC bikes. I found one (a '92 EXc) last fall for $1100 with low hours and the owner was selling it for the same reason I should be avoiding it. Gorgeous bike to look at tho.... May want to find out if the owner has addressed any of the ills before taking our word(s). FWIW, Jake in Jacksonville ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:59:40 EST From: K650dsn@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) DR350 list...NKLR In a message dated 3/12/99 8:42:29 AM Mountain Standard Time, ajax@xmission.com writes: << >Anybody know how i can subscribe to the new DR350 list I've heard about? > >Robert >> It's a quiet list because most of them are out trying to kick start their bikes ;-) Gino, Mr. 'Lectric, Pokluda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:14:08 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) Stealth edging Let us know how tall some of you are. I would like to try some of this but at 6'3", my helmet hangs a little higher out there. I'd be curious as to how tall you can be and still benefit from it- I still have the stock screen BTW. Wish I had bought it at Daytona-was only $6 a foot there ("show special"?) Jake waynef wrote: > > I Just put some on my stock windshield this morning--the required length > is 20" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:30:50 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Stealth edging I used it for a while with a Clearview shield. Never could tell whether it worked or if I was experiencing the placebo effect. I'm incredulous about it improving a stock length shield in any way. Maybe I'm wrong; let me know. I still have it laying around. Bogdan waynef wrote: > > I Just put some on my stock windshield this morning--the required length > is 20" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:37:14 -0700 From: Bogdan Swider Subject: RE: (klr650) Questions, Questions, Questions -N KLR It's that Greek guy that said he could flip a cheeseburger the size of the world if you gave him a long enough spatula all over again. Its simply physics my man! By increasing the radius of the rotor, you have given the brake a larger moment, or greater torque. Its like using a longer wrench to loosen that stuck nut, you have more leverage, and the brake caliper has more leverage when its located at a larger radius. Could you imagine the stopping power if the rotor was half the radius of the wheel? Or the calipers were applied to the rims, like with bicycle brakes? Jeff ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #117 ****************************