From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #119 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 119 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:59:09 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) 2" "...and add 2" for good measure..." Excellent idea Kurt! Now what was it you were saying about the edging? ;-) Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:00:50 -0600 From: "Desmond, Richard - TAFB/LASPO2" Subject: RE: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question Rob, Unleaded's always been fine in mine. If I'm not mistaken, all Japanese bikes from the late sixties on have hardened valve seats. If you remember, I'd love to have a jpeg of the bike when you're done, sounds like a neat project. Rich CMRA #352 '99 SV650 '97 900CR '86 RZ500 (for sale) '85 RZ350 x 2 '86 XT350 (for sale) '80 GS1000S '76 CB400 racing EX's > > Do I have to replace the valve seats in my 1977 CB400 Four Super > Sport in order to burn 92-94 octane unleaded fuel? If so, where is > a good source for replacement valve seats? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:46:56 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR Moron Mechanics.... was NKLR breakdowns Mark wrote: > He then looked at me like I was full of shit when I told him that people go > to Alaska and S. America on KLRs all the time. I had two guys come up to me at Daytona while I was standing next to my KLR and ask if people did the same thing. They said they had read the articles in different magazines but didn't believe them; thought they were fabricated for journalistic filler. I told them of two international companies that rent KLR's for adventure touring (Pancho Villa and Edelweiss) and several other smaller outfitters around the country that have them in service. He looked at me like I was fried. I gave him the website address for Ride to the Moon guys and said if he couldn't believe the stories there, then he must have an overdeveloped sense of paranoia. I asked what his aversion was to believing it? He replied that singles just dont do that type of thing. I said "mine does, sorry..." and left him woth words in his mouth. Jake, Moronic by most accounts until I meet a KLR doubter.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:38:24 -0700 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: (klr650) NKLR - Suzuki GS500 Sorry for the bandwidth, but I need some quick advice. I have found a good price for my '85 GSX-R 750 at a dealer and they just happen to have a '99 Suzuki GS500 in bright yellow that I like. I would use this for short street tours and to eventually get my GF on a bike. Anyone know anything bad about these bikes I should be aware of. I want to get the GSX-R out of my life fast so I need the input and this list is as close to the Tomb of all Motorcycle knowledge as I have access to I thought I'd ask. Cheers, Vik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:59:47 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Non-KLR 650 tech question > Do I have to replace the valve seats in my 1977 CB400 Four Super > Sport in order to burn 92-94 octane unleaded fuel? If so, where is > a good source for replacement valve seats? > > I ask because I am embarking on a project to replicate a mid-1960s > cafe racer and I want to use my '77 CB400 basket case as a base. > My understanding is that its not the valve seats that is a problem with running unleaded gas, but the wear between the valve stems and the valve guides. If your going to work on it anyway, replace the valves with stainless, get new guides installed, and of course do the seats and lap the valves in. You shouldn't have any problems otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:44:33 -0500 From: Stuart Heaslet Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR fairing - Stealth Edging At 09:38 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote: >I've been thinking about adding some "Stealth" edging around the stock >screen. Maybe that would get the wind stream over my helmet when I'm >crouched over the tank at 80 MPH. Jeff, My experience with the Stealth Edge is that it doesn't raise the height of the "quiet zone" much. I'm 6' tall, and the Stealth Edge on the Clearview shield actually created a more turbulent boundary layer at 60 mph or above, and that layer shook my head up more than the bare shield. So, I'm not running Stealthily anymore. Much more comfortable. Maybe others have had a better experience, though. Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:08:19 PST From: "Juan Villarreal" Subject: (klr650) O-kaaay.... Hmmm, on second thought... I think I'll do a go around with regards to the Stealth edging. The stock setup keeps me plenty happy (I'm only 5'8") and the benefits of the edging seem debatable at best. Thanks for the inputs. On to the tail-lights! Juan Villarreal, '97 KLR "The Happy Hooligan" Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:17:25 -0800 From: Tom Myers Subject: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR) Fellow WASHINGTON Riders, If you own multiple motorcycles, this NEW bill will require insurance on every one of those motorcycles in your garage. I do not have a problem with having to insure the bike I am riding but I cannot afford to insure the 5 other bikes I have sitting in my garage. How many do you own? This will only add to the obscene profits the insurance industry rakes in every year. The bill is currently going to the Financial/Insurance Committee chaired by Rep. Hatfield and Rep. Dennison (sp?) If you need more info contact Kelly Simpson at 360.786.7305 He will answer any questions you have. And please contact your Representative if this concerns you. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SENATE BILL REPORT SSB 5264 As Passed Senate, March 5, 1999 Title: An act relating to requirements for operating a motorcycle on Washington highways. Brief Description: Eliminating categories of motorcycle endorsement. Sponsors: Senate Committee on Transportation (originally sponsored by Senators Horn and Hochstatter). Brief History: Committee Activity: Transportation: 1/26/99, 2/9/99 [DPS, DNP]. Passed Senate, 3/5/99, 42-4. SENATE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION Majority Report: That Substitute Senate Bill No. 5264 be substituted therefor, and the substitute bill do pass. Signed by Senators Haugen, Chair; Gardner, Vice Chair; Goings, Vice Chair; Costa, Eide, Heavey, Horn, Jacobsen, Johnson, Oke, Patterson, Prentice, Sellar, Sheahan, T. Sheldon and Shin. Minority Report: Do not pass. Signed by Senator Benton. Staff: Kelly Simpson (786-7305) Background: In order to drive a motorcycle on Washington highways a person must first hold a valid driver's license and then obtain one of three types of motorcycle endorsements. The different types of special motorcycle endorsements are determined by the engine displacement (or size) of the motorcycle. In order to obtain the endorsement, a driver must pass a motorcycle endorsement examination conducted by the Department of Licensing (DOL). Under current law, there are two ways to prepare for that examination: (1) a DOL sponsored motorcycle training class; and (2) a restricted motorcycle learner's permit that requires the learner to be under the visual supervision of an experienced motorcyclist. Once licensed, motorcyclists are exempt from the mandatory liability insurance law. Summary of Bill: A motorcycle endorsement authorizes the holder to operate any size motorcycle. The Department of Licensing may waive the endorsement examination for persons who pass the department's class. Those motorcyclists holding a motorcycle learner's permit are allowed to drive on a controlled, limited access facility, and without visual supervision. Motorcyclists must carry liability insurance in the following minimum amounts of coverage: (1) $10,000 property damage, (2) $25,000 for personal injury to or death of one person in any one accident, and (3) $50,000 for personal injury to or death of two or more persons in any one accident. Appropriation: None. Fiscal Note: Requested on January 21, 1999. Effective Date: Ninety days after adjournment of session in which bill is passed. Testimony For: Studies show that "single category" motorcycle endorsements do not negatively affect public safety. Requiring motorcyclists to obtain financial responsibility closes a loophole in current law by preventing at- risk drivers from operating a motorcycle without first obtaining some form of insurance. Testimony Against: None. Testified: PRO: Senator Horn, prime sponsor; Karen York; Lynda Henriksen, DOL; Gary Sorensen, Puget Sound Motorcycle Education Assn.; Clark Sitzes, Allstate Insurance, (concerns with Section 6). +------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 | 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | webpage: http://www.cycoactive.com | e-mail: TomMyers@cycoactive.com +------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:12:57 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: (klr650) Re: NKLR- Driving MR. Michael NUTS In a message dated 3/12/99 1:02:19 AM Central Standard Time, alarsen@rapidnet.net writes: << Arne - viva le Quebec! >> Arnie, I don't know whats happened to the list, I"ve gotten my chops slapped a couple of times too.The aggregate experience and DS experience of the list is substantial and most helpful, but this phase will pass and I appreciate your questions and remarks, Viva the human race! Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:33:58 -0500 From: "Steamroller" Subject: Re: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR) I thought it bad in New York. We have insurance requirements similar here. Regardless of displacement or street legality, all vehicles must insured and plated. That goes for all ATV's, except those used for snowplowing on one's own property. I even have to insure my 9 yr son's XR80, even though 1- he's nine, 2- it can never be ridden on, across or on the shoulder on any road. I am insuring and plating it so we can use "LEGAL" riding areas in neighboring states, as there are NO LEGAL AREAS in my own state, even though that is one of the reasons for the plating policy on ORV's. SDDS, same deal, different state. Do we follow all the rules??? Aside from ATV's used for hunting, most never get registered. They just don't enforce their rules (yet). NY Pete - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Myers To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:19 PM Subject: (klr650) Insurance (WA)(NKLR) >Fellow WASHINGTON Riders, > >If you own multiple motorcycles, this NEW bill will require insurance on >every one >of those motorcycles in your garage. I do not have a problem with having >to insure the bike I am riding but I cannot afford to insure the 5 other >bikes I have sitting in my garage. How many do you own? >This will only add to the obscene profits the insurance industry rakes in >every year. > >The bill is currently going to the Financial/Insurance Committee chaired by >Rep. Hatfield and Rep. Dennison (sp?) >If you need more info contact Kelly Simpson at 360.786.7305 >He will answer any questions you have. >And please contact your Representative if this concerns you. > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ > > SENATE BILL REPORT > SSB 5264 > As Passed Senate, March 5, 1999 > >Title: An act relating to requirements for operating a motorcycle on >Washington > highways. > >Brief Description: Eliminating categories of motorcycle endorsement. > >Sponsors: Senate Committee on Transportation (originally sponsored by Senators > Horn and Hochstatter). > >Brief History: > Committee Activity: Transportation: 1/26/99, 2/9/99 [DPS, DNP]. > Passed Senate, 3/5/99, 42-4. > >SENATE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION > > Majority Report: That Substitute Senate Bill No. 5264 be substituted > therefor, and the substitute bill do pass. > Signed by Senators Haugen, Chair; Gardner, Vice Chair; Goings, Vice >Chair; > Costa, Eide, Heavey, Horn, Jacobsen, Johnson, Oke, Patterson, Prentice, > Sellar, Sheahan, T. Sheldon and Shin. > > Minority Report: Do not pass. > Signed by Senator Benton. > > Staff: Kelly Simpson (786-7305) > > Background: In order to drive a motorcycle on Washington highways a person > must first hold a valid driver's license and then obtain one of three types > of motorcycle endorsements. The different types of special motorcycle > endorsements are determined by the engine displacement (or size) of the > motorcycle. In order to obtain the endorsement, a driver must pass a > motorcycle endorsement examination conducted by the Department of Licensing > (DOL). Under current law, there are two ways to prepare for that > examination: (1) a DOL sponsored motorcycle training class; and (2) a > restricted motorcycle learner's permit that requires the learner to be under > the visual supervision of an experienced motorcyclist. Once licensed, > motorcyclists are exempt from the mandatory liability insurance law. > > Summary of Bill: A motorcycle endorsement authorizes the holder to operate > any size motorcycle. The Department of Licensing may waive the endorsement > examination for persons who pass the department's class. Those >motorcyclists > holding a motorcycle learner's permit are allowed to drive on a controlled, > limited access facility, and without visual supervision. Motorcyclists must > carry liability insurance in the following minimum amounts of coverage: (1) > $10,000 property damage, (2) $25,000 for personal injury to or death of one > person in any one accident, and (3) $50,000 for personal injury to or death > of two or more persons in any one accident. > > Appropriation: None. > > Fiscal Note: Requested on January 21, 1999. > > Effective Date: Ninety days after adjournment of session in which bill is > passed. > > Testimony For: Studies show that "single category" motorcycle endorsements > do not negatively affect public safety. Requiring motorcyclists to obtain > financial responsibility closes a loophole in current law by preventing at- > risk drivers from operating a motorcycle without first obtaining some >form of > insurance. > > Testimony Against: None. > > Testified: PRO: Senator Horn, prime sponsor; Karen York; Lynda Henriksen, > DOL; Gary Sorensen, Puget Sound Motorcycle Education Assn.; Clark Sitzes, > Allstate Insurance, (concerns with Section 6). > >+------------------------------------+ >| CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 >| 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 >| Seattle, WA 98122 USA >| webpage: http://www.cycoactive.com >| e-mail: TomMyers@cycoactive.com >+------------------------------------+ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:29:26 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Don't sweat it... In a message dated 3/12/99 8:31:26 AM Central Standard Time, villarrealjuan@hotmail.com writes: << A person with a modicum of mechanical ability could easily forego the extension and ride in full confidence >> Arnie, having been a dealer, I feel that the "hooligan's" view is legit. Take the cash you would have spent for the exteded warranty and invest it for the 3 years, that way you have it for repairs and you have a bonus if nothing happens, and if your bike gets stolen or destroyed (God forbid) then you havent warranted a goner. Just an opinion about the KLR.Besides, if you use it in competition or an (abusive) manner, the dealer may not warrant it anyway. Frank ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #119 ****************************