From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Tuesday, March 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 137 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:48:19 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Windsor, Ontario I don't think he have open pit mining in Sudbury...unless you're talking about the super mall they are building here. Yippee, another Walmart. INCO does have lots of mountains though, the slag is just piled as high as their tractors and conveyors can get it. They want to use the stuff to make pavement, I don't know why though, it works really good for making gravel roads. Chipped slag is great for drainage. Stephen Rivett - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Lisa Walker To: Tom Simpson ; KLR650-List Date: March 16, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) NKLR: Windsor, Ontario > >> >> >>-Tom >>found out what open-pit mining looks like in Sudbury, and it aint all that >>pretty. >>'96 KLR 650 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:52:35 -0500 From: "Stephen Rivett" Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters -- tubeless? When I get a KLR650 or Adventure, whichever is still available in 4 years, I want to put a couple rim lockers on the wheel like on my CR250. Are they legal for highway use? They must wear out wheel bearings like there's no tomorrow because of the eneven weight distrobution and I can't see using weights to compensate for this because they would be huge. Stephen Rivett - -----Original Message----- From: Eric & Jill Dietiker To: klr650 Date: March 16, 1999 10:33 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Gripsters -- tubeless? >>Those gripster H tires look nice, but I think theyre radial tires. Would >>this affect use on the KLR at all? They will likely be more difficult to >>mount, as most radials I've seen have pretty thick sidewalls. anyone here >>use the gripster H? > >Yes. They work wonderfully for street riding, and I've gotten around 20K >miles from the rear tire so far (but it is ready for replacement). > >Eric. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:59:00 -0500 From: Sconzo Subject: Re: (klr650)Tank Bags (Magnetic) Listers, I've been following the tank bag dialogue. I myself had the Kawa tank bag for the KLR 650. I liked it. My dog liked it better. Now I'm in the market for another one. Here's the big question: Does anyone have a _magnetic_ tank bag that they love? Or has anyone got one that they would recommend? Thanks. I feel nekked without my tank bag. Peace and safe riding, Scott in Orlando-- A12 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:13:55 -0500 From: "WDSRC" Subject: Re: (klr650) Chase Harper Tank Bags I've been using the same Chase Harper bag since 1984!!!!! (It's been on 6 different bikes and been from Maine To Florida) They hold up well and it's STILL WATERPROOF! Robert - -----Original Message----- From: VFR754@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) Chase Harper Tank Bags >In a message dated 3/16/99 4:30:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, >bwright2@avana.net writes: > > << I could not find anyone in the old messages that said they > were using a Chase Harper bag. Is there anything wrong with them. ? > >> > > Hi Bill From Bill S., > > I've been using the Chase Harper (1150) Tank bag for about a year now, and >have no complaints whatsoever. I loaded it up for an over 3000 miles round >trip last summer with no surprises. The thing piles up nice and high with >several compartments, and a removable foam insert, that you can cut pockets >into for tools etc. if you want. I carry my tool puch, flashlights, knives, >tube rpair kits, etc. in the foam insert. Works out well Does need some type >of rain cover though (Wal-Mart again). Fits the KLR fine for my purposes, but >to fill the tank, you do have to release the clips, lift the bag up, and then >re-attach it after filling. I've had to do this with any non-magnetic tank bag >I've owned in some way or another, so no big deal to me. After over a year >old, the tank bag still is nearly like new, even with daily use, and the >removable map holder has not faded or cracked. I'm satisfied.... > > Bill Swindle > A12 "Moose" > montgomery, IL. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:23:38 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) Acerbis disc guard >>The latest I have heard is that the guard will fit the 87-93 KLR. Anyone know if these will fit later models?<< They will work on anything from 87-99, but will not work on a Tengai. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:37:21 -0700 From: "Tim Bernard" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Fork Brace??? If Steve would call me I can tell him what not to do!!!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Fork Brace??? > > >K650dsn@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 3/12/99 7:01:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, >> robertlmorgan@worldnet.att.net writes: >> >> << Tim Bernard has something in the R&D phase. Stay tuned. >> >> >> So does Steve at Quality Engine R&D. Who will get done first? > >And will they be able to produce them in quantity before Moab?;-) >b > > >> >> >> Gino > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:51:58 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) Walmart (NKLR) In a message dated 3/16/99 10:03:11 AM Central Standard Time, jlwalk@prodigy.net writes: << From what I understand, they will lose money on selling items just to beat someone else's price, because they win in the end by putting the other guy out of business, and the corporation still makes money elsewhere. I guess more people employed is a good thing though, if their paychecks stay in the local economy. >> There is a downside to a free enterprise system, businesses go out all the times for various reasons,but socialism is not an answer either. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:47:02 PST From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: Re: (klr650) Braking Physics (NKLR) I've been reading the posts on braking recently, trying to merge them with my college physics of several years ago. The one thing that didn't sit right with me was the comment someone made that two disc rotors (and pads, etc.) gives better braking than a single rotor. That statement seems intuitively obvious, but my physics teacher claimed that the obvious is wrong more often that not. So, I did a mental exercise. We know that the braking is simply a controlled increase in friction, so that force is (normal force [N] * coeff. of friction[CofF]). (Normal force is the force that's 90 degrees to the plane of the contact patch.) However, what does a second brake system do for us? It would seem to double the braking force by doubling the contact area. However, notice that the contact area isn't a factor in the friction equation; it's a term that drops out in the proof. No; the only way to increase the braking force is to increase either the CofF or N (or both). CofF can be changed by changing the rotor or brake pads. Since the KLR doesn't have an assisted braking system, all the N comes from the rider's fingers, and unless the lever is hitting the grip, there's not a lot that can be done. So what do dual rotors do, other than make money for the parts stores? Brakes, by design, convert kinetic energy (speed) into thermal energy (heat). When the brakes get hot, the CofF drops. (We call this 'brake fade'.) Each of the two rotors (in theory) does half the total braking, and generate half as much heat as a single rotor brake. There are tradeoffs, however. (In other words, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.) Remember, the KLR's brake hydraulics are not boosted. Given the constraints of the limited brake lever travel and hand strength, the rider can move only so much brake fluid for a given pressure (lb/in^2, or PSI). Remember that when we squeeze the lever, we're putting force on a piston, pressing on the brake fluid. We can increase the volume of fluid moved in the limited piston travel by increasing the area of the piston/fluid contact area, but this directly reduces our available PSI. And, since dual rotors need twice the volume of brake fluid to actuate them, the pressure (and therefore, normal force) is halved. Granted, this is a simplification (a "hand waving argument", as one professor put it). If anyone finds a significant fault in logic, please let me know... Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:33:07 PST From: "Paul Christenson" Subject: (klr650) (NKLR) Is there a Honda GL500 Silver Wing list? Fate has bestowed upon me the opportunity to pick up a near mint GL500 Silver Wing for well under book value. Given the help this list has given me regarding my KLR, I was wondering if there was a similar list for the GL500. Thanks. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:45:02 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (klr650) (NKLR) Is there a Honda GL500 Silver Wing list? >Fate has bestowed upon me the opportunity to pick up a near mint GL500 >Silver Wing for well under book value. Given the help this list has >given me regarding my KLR, I was wondering if there was a similar list >for the GL500. > >Thanks. No, no list but this website has a decent message board and nice pictures..I loved my CX-500 except it started badly in cool weather... http://cx500.gobinet.se/> Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:03:21 +0000 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: Re: NKLR (klr650) oil changes I like Castrol GT 10w40 myself. Any petroleum engineers out there have > reasons not to use this stuff, like all the suspended > particulates in Pennzoil? > Any takers? > > === > Rev. Chuck > '99 KLR651 > :^)>+ > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com I use Castrol Motorcycle Oil 20w-50 in summer and Castrol 10w-40 oil in winter and haven't had any oil related problems. Castrol gets a pretty good rating amongst the regular oils. Of course the bulk of my riding is done from April through October so the 10w-40 is still very clean when I change it. I change the 20w-50 twice in the warm season. I thought about using Spectro because of the shear factor etc...but have continued with Castrol. Jeff A2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:11:00 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) Lowering links... Put on the Quality R & D lowering links yesterday morning...took 75 minutes with most of the time trying to figure out how to offweight the bike. I'm having trouble deciding whether to keep them or not...For sure they lower the bike...I can darn near be flat-footed at stop lights. Took the bike in the dirt last night and didn't bottom on any of the stuff I would normally ride. My son got on the back this morning for the daily jaunt to school and we bottomed right away coming out of the driveway. I realize now that I may have to increase the shock preload from its present 3 to 5 now that I've lost some travel. What's my problem? I'm ashamed to admit it...aesthetics...the bike had a tall ready for anything look before..now it is a short squatty thing kind of like the guy who rides it. Plus, I'm going to have to get the sidestand and centerstand redone. It's just that the bike was perfect on the recent trip to Death Valley and heck I haven't done any Artie Johnson's for a long time...I'm stuck...It does handle good with the links... Kurt (lookin short and squat but thinking long and lean) Salt Lake City ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:22:14 -0700 From: "Pokluda, Gino F" Subject: RE: (klr650) Lowering links... >>WHat's my problem? I'm ashamed to admit it...aesthetics...the bike had a tall ready for anything look before..now it is a short squatty thing kind of like the guy who rides it.<< Ah Kurt. We still like you anyway. I had the links on my KLR for almost a year. They make the bike handle great. If I were buying a KLR for street use only, I'd put the links on, get a UFO fender from Fred, put some of the new Dunlops on there and let it run. The bike does get squishy from the new angle of the shock with the links. Gino ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:54:12 +0000 From: Jeffrey Doyle Subject: (klr650) KLR Tank Bags Bill, I've been using a Kawasaki "Ninja" tank bag left over from use on my '87 750R and it still holds together. It has the clear map pocket with the velcro closure and several compartments. The only thing that is starting to show it's age is the elastic material in the straps. I can replace that though. Jeff A2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:37:10 -0500 From: "J.Taylor" Subject: (klr650) [NKLR] Give it a brake While test riding several hogs/pigs in motorcycle clothing (Suzuki Intruder 1500, Polaris Victory, etc...) I noticed the fatter front tire bikes with a single up-front rotor had a tendency to pull the handlebars to the side of the rotor when the front brake was applied. It seemed more exagerated on the wider front tire bikes than the other bikes I rode with more narrow front ends. Anybody else ever notice this phenomenon? The recent threads have SUFFICIENTLY explained brake theory (*please don't rehash them, pleeease*) but I found this "seat of the pants" discovery rather strange. Jake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:33:00 -0800 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: (klr650) Fw: Rear shock KLR - -----Original Message----- From: Customer Service To: 'Arne Larsen' Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Rear shock KLR >Hi Arne >The shock you would want to pick up would be our 420-1030. You can order >these from White Bros. at (714) 692-3404. They can take your order. >Thanks >Josh > >-----Original Message----- >From: Arne Larsen [mailto:alarsen@rapidnet.net] >Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:46 PM >To: info@progressivesuspension.com >Subject: Rear shock KLR > > >I have heard that there are different springs available for the rear shock >for the KLR650 (mine's a '99). If this is so, what would I ask for? Would >I need to specify a particular model/part# when ordering from a distributor? >I'm a big guy and weigh 270 lbs. I ride both on the street and off-road. > >Thanks, > >Arne Larsen >alarsen@rapidnet.net > I found this interesting??? I posed the question of the correct rear shock for my size to "Progressive". They responded back with the part number and that I could order it from "White Bros." I thought Progressive and White Bros. were two separate and competing companies? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:38:57 -0800 From: "W. J. Majors CLU" Subject: (klr650) Illinois Anyone on the list live in Champaign-Urbana, Ill?? My wife's grandfather died and we will make a quick visit starting tonite. I'll buy coffee, Steak & Shake, or whatever local joint you like, and we can bench race and tell lies. Have a Wing, ST1100, KLR650, and Carol has a Road King. We can talk about any or all. Thanks Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:44:52 +1000 From: Ted Palmer Subject: Re: (klr650) [NKLR] Give it a brake J.Taylor wrote: [single-disc steer] > (*please don't rehash them, pleeease*) but I found this "seat of the > pants" discovery rather strange. Not all that unusual on single disc front ends that are rather less than race spec in stiffness. I've been riding my 600 too long to notice it these days, even after back to back rides on my double-front-disc Honda RC17. The braking fork flexes a bit under braking loads and twists the front end a bit to affect the steering. A good fork brace may reduce the effect a bit, but ultimately a double-disc front will distribute the forces more evenly on the forks and steering (not to mention twin discs will likely have more heat sink mass, oops I just did). Mister_T ------------------------------ End of klr650-digest V2 #137 ****************************