From: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com (klr650-digest) To: klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klr650-digest V2 #155 Reply-To: klr650 Sender: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klr650-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk klr650-digest Saturday, March 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 155 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:08 -0800 From: "Dreas Nielsen" Subject: (klr650) RE: klr650-digest V2 #151 > -----Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:07:19 -0700 > From: "Kurt Simpson" > Subject: Re: (klr650) First Shift of the Day > > |This lurker finally has a question that necessitates exposure. > |My A13 with 600 miles (yes, I have obeyed the break-in rules and have > |had the valves adjusted and oil changed) does not like the first gear > |engagement of the day > > No more lurking for you...welcome aboard...my experience was > similar to yours...I stumbled on > Bill's website and saw his KLR and thought "where has this bike > been hiding".... > > About the first shift...I think it is pretty common...I let might > warm for a few minutes and then pull the clutch in and blip a couple of times let it out > etc. then I upshift into second first...then down into first...still makes an awful racket but it > doesn't creep...the clutch plates are sticking together My KLR600 started doing this occasionally after about 5 years, but usually only if I let it idle for a couple of minutes after it had come up to temperature. Blipping the throttle and stomping the lever would prevent a stall, although I'd usually grind a little gravel out from under the wheel. Dreas Nielsen Issaquah, WA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:00:33 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (klr650) FS Quality Engine R & D Lowering Links... My loss your gain. Quality Engine R & D Lowering Links, used 48 hours, complete with instructions. Perfect condition. Reason for selling: too many people mistook my bike for an F-650. First $80 plus shipping (normally $120) and they are yours. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:13:57 -0800 From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Break In (NKLR) and hitting past 6000 rpm periodically, and now with over 6000 miles ( I >just got this one last summer) I haven`t needed to add oil since my last oil >change (3000 miles). I ride my bike hard and since we don`t have a speed >limit yet, it`s hard not to tool around at 80 mph when going to work. Speaking of oil consumption on a probably improperly broken in engine (22,000 miles, about 10-16 oz consumed about every 100 miles), does anyone know of a good aftermarket oil additive that stops oil burning? Not something cheesy, but something that works. She's running fine, except for the oil burn, so I don't feel like rehoning the cylinder, replacing the rings and valve guides yet. Any advice on this will be appreciated, but I'll be off the net for a week while I go to SOCAL to visit the family. Hopefully I'll come back to find that a lively debate took place in my absence. Jeff--I love conflicts! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:14:14 -0800 From: "ripkid" Subject: RE: (klr650) KLR Break In (NKLR) >sent by Skip a little bit ago: > I`m sorry I went this far into this. I recommend anyone not sure on > what`s best for break-in, call a reputable cycle shop that can > back up their > recommendation with years of professional motorcycle experience. ***** Lets go ahead and NOT be sorry. You, my good man, along with the rest of the fine folks on this most excellent of lists, have an obvious wealth of information that the likes of myself are just dyin' to hear. ***** > Everybody's got their own opinion and they should be considered. > Mine`s based on 22years of motorcycling and as a professional mechanic. > That`s why I say don`t take my word for it, check around. > Skip ( who agrees that always agreeing is boring) ****** All opinions are good opinions (unless its mine...then its a great opinion). I have yet to read a posting without some merit, different experiences and environments shape differing opinions. - ---- this list rocks, as do those who ride it. Rik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:18:06 EST From: OlZorro@aol.com Subject: (klr650) heated grips, not Kimpex Greetings; Recently there was a post about removable grip-heater wraps that plugged into an accessory outlet on the KLR. I'm very interested in those if you could post the info again. Thanks. JohnPaul Gray Dana Point CA 95 KLR650 94 ST1100 P.S. humor follows: -------- Another from >Detroit: A pair of Michigan robbers entered a record shop nervously >waving revolvers. The first one shouted, "Nobody move!" When his >partner moved, the startled first bandit shot him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:37:09 -0700 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Break In (NKLR) > >Speaking of oil consumption on a probably improperly broken in engine >(22,000 miles, about 10-16 oz consumed about every 100 miles), does anyone >know of a good aftermarket oil additive that stops oil burning? Not >something cheesy, but something that works. She's running fine, except for >the oil burn, so I don't feel like rehoning the cylinder, replacing >Jeff--I love conflicts! Jeff, What weight oil are you currently using? Is it mineral or synthetic? Synthetics cause high oil consumption in some bikes. If you`re using a light weight oil ( any of the 5W`s and 10W`s) switching to a 20W base or a single grade has had good results in reducing oil consumption in motorcycle engines. I has a riding buddy with a XT600 that was burning a quart a tank and switched to Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W40, and cut his oil consumption in half. Delvac is recommended by Mobil as an alternative for motorcycles. It was designed for diesels and severe use gasoline engines. It has some thickening agents that help seal at the rings. Keep in mind that the 15W`s and 20W`s (in mineral oils) have been said to be horsepower robbers in motorcycles. I would try different oil weights before trying any additives. Beyond that, I don`t know of any additives that have actually successfully, been proven to reduce oil consumption without causing other problems ( like galley starvation). Skip > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:55:33 -0700 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Break In (NKLR) >>sent by Skip a little bit ago: > >> I`m sorry I went this far into this. I recommend anyone not sure on >> what`s best for break-in, call a reputable cycle shop that can >> back up their >> recommendation with years of professional motorcycle experience. > >***** >Lets go ahead and NOT be sorry. You, my good man, along with the rest of the >fine folks on this most excellent of lists, have an obvious wealth of >information that the likes of myself are just dyin' to hear. >***** > >> Everybody's got their own opinion and they should be considered. >> Mine`s based on 22years of motorcycling and as a professional mechanic. >> That`s why I say don`t take my word for it, check around. >> Skip ( who agrees that always agreeing is boring) > >****** >All opinions are good opinions (unless its mine...then its a great opinion). >I have yet to read a posting without some merit, different experiences and >environments shape differing opinions. > >---- this list rocks, as do those who ride it. > >Rik Rik, Thanks for the comment, and I ditto the laurels of this List. I learn a lot from the Listers, those with different opinions and even those that disagree. The culmination of experiences and expertise of this List makes it a fantastic resource not to be overlooked by KLRists. When a question or commit makes me doubt a belief or opinion I hold, or disagrees with mine and is plausible, it spurns me to do more research to find out which is more accurate. This List is why it`s a shame my wife bought an F650. Skip ( To be proven wrong is to learn) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:11:29 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) ignition sticking Sarah The guys at the lockshop have some liquid graphite that works great. WD 40 won't hurt though. Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: D Webster Subject: (klr650) to subscribe? I am a subscriber but I don't recall how I signed up. I have a friend KLR rider who wants in. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:11:29 -0800 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: (klr650) ignition sticking Sarah The guys at the lockshop have some liquid graphite that works great. WD 40 won't hurt though. Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:38:23 -0700 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Re: (klr650) to subscribe? - -----Original Message----- From: D Webster To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 3:26 PM Subject: (klr650) to subscribe? >I am a subscriber but I don't recall how I signed up. I have a friend KLR >rider who wants in. Thanks > http://www.geocities.com/~klrdsn/page60.html Just the Faqs MAN! Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:04:10 -0800 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: (klr650) NKLR - aerostich/whitehorsepress With regards to how bad some of our dealer support has been I have to make a comment on Aerostich and Whitehorse Press. Living in Canada means I often order things from the US. I normally wait over a week to two weeks for items and pay big shipping costs. Since everything has to go through customs I suppose I should just cope with the slow shipping. However, everytime I order from Aerostich I get the damn order in three days and its the right stuff at a reasonable shipping rate They use UPS, but so do the other companies I order from yet they get the order to me in record time. Their service is excellent and they are usually in stock. Their prices are not low, but on items like their roadcrafter suits or darien outerwear I think its worth it - some of their less exotic items seem a bit pricey, but not ridiculous. Any I highly recommend them to anyone who needs specialty motorcycle gear you can't get at home. www.aerostich.com/aerostich Whitehorse Press deserves the same customer service award. They are friendly quick (not as fast as Aerostich, but not bad), and ship the correct order. They have a great selection of books as well as some neat riding accessories (luggage, camping gear, etc). Well worth checking out. www.whitehorsepress.com For those who have never checked out these companies give them a once over - you won't be disappointed. Anyone else know of good mailorder suppliers for moto stuff? Well besides (in keeping with the Star Wars theme) Fred Vader and his evil credit card machine on the desert planet of Moab....(no offence Fred it not your fault the lure of Darkside of the Force keeps attracting my wallet)... http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html May the Force be with you........(but don't try that damn blindfold Jedi trick while riding your KLR - at least not without medical insurance young Jedi) Vik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:39:29 -0800 From: "Vik Banerjee" Subject: Re: (klr650) heated grips, not Kimpex Not sure if you are talking about the velcro on ones from Aerostich or not. I have those and they work great. I picked up a set of Kimpex grip heaters to try out as well. I will put the Kimpex heaters on the GS and see how they work. I was happy with the velcro jobbers on my KLR, but for $22CDN I thought I'd give the Kimpex heaters a shot. I am not sure what other info you want on the velcro heaters so just mail me any questions and I'd be happy to answer them. Warm Grip Wraps # 102 - $37US (w/o on/off switch) #103 - $47US (with on/off switch) Aerostich 1-800-222-1994 www.aerostich.com/aerostich Cheers, Vik - -----Original Message----- From: OlZorro@aol.com To: klr650@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: (klr650) heated grips, not Kimpex >Greetings; > > Recently there was a post about removable grip-heater wraps that plugged >into an accessory outlet on the KLR. I'm very interested in those if you >could post the info again. Thanks. > >JohnPaul Gray >Dana Point CA > >95 KLR650 >94 ST1100 > >P.S. humor follows: -------- Another from >>Detroit: A pair of Michigan robbers entered a record shop nervously >>waving revolvers. The first one shouted, "Nobody move!" When his >>partner moved, the startled first bandit shot him. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:22:50 EST From: FTabor231@aol.com Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR Break In (NKLR) In a message dated 3/19/99 10:44:06 PM Central Standard Time, msfaul@digisys.net writes: << Keep in mind that the 15W`s and 20W`s (in mineral oils) have been said to be horsepower robbers in motorcycles. >> This applies to plain bearing engines, the KLR 650 has at least 8 roller bearings and fairly low pressure so a thicker oil may not rob any horsepower. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:49:02 -0800 From: "Eric & Jill Dietiker" Subject: Re: (klr650) Clutch levers Sheesh! Shame on you for letting reality intrude. I usually send my levers off to Uri Geller (Gellar?). He never touches them (honest), and they come back straight as can be. Eric. :-), of course - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J Beasley To: 'KLR650' Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:24 AM Subject: Re: (klr650) Clutch levers >I find this pretty hard to believe. The levers are aluminum not steel. >Aluminum melts quite a bit before it glows. Steel is the opposite. >Chris > > >> >> >> >I staightened one once by heating it to a nice orange glow and quickly >> >sandwiching it in a vice. I also once tried straightening one "cold" with >> >two pairs of pliers and the lever snapped in two. >> >Mark >> >B2 >> >A2 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:29:26 -0700 From: "Skip Faulkner" Subject: Re: (klr650) Oil Chart This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE7268.B5DBD1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I came across this Oil Spec Chart today, and I assume it is reliable because some of the information checks out with oil company information I already have. It is interesting and I hope useful to some of you. http://www.trail.com/~jrabe/oil.html Tom McKenzie A13 and the weather in Victoria is getting better Tom, That chart shows the old Mobil One 15W50 component levels. The new SJ Mobil One has less than .11%ppm zinc. 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