From: "Erik Barth" Subject: (kw) EXPO1900?? Date: 01 Jan 2000 00:26:04 +0100 Happy new year, I just played the new record: it sounded EXPO1900... Woshappening? Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 01 Jan 2000 17:51:25 -0500 I got my copy of Expo 2000 on Wednesday from AB-CD after ordering it on Sunday. I was surprised to get such quick service, especially after my friend telling me he had a bad experience with them. Anyway, I love track 4 and have been playing it constantly since I got. I like Expo 2000 without the electronic perscussion and at almost 7 minutes, it has a nice hypnotic feel to it. I programmed my CD player to repeat it for about 61 minutes and feel alseep to it. Tracks 1 and 2 are good also. As for track 3...have you ever heard something by a group you like and tried unsuccessfully to enjoy a piece of music by them and you just couldn't? That's track 3 for me. I listened to it a few times thinking that maybe it would "grow" on me with repeated listenings. However, just the opposite thing happened. It's definately the worst thing Kraftwerk has ever done. It sounds like the soundtrack of a really bad 1970s disco era TV show. I can just picture Eric Estrada riding down the highway on a police motorcycle and the scene quickly changing to some bimbo roller blading on a sunny day in California. Except for track 3, I love this CD. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 01 Jan 2000 18:19:38 -0800 On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 17:51:25 -0500 "Gary Pedoto" writes: > > I got my copy of Expo 2000 on Wednesday from AB-CD after ordering > it on Sunday. I was surprised to get such quick service, especially > after my friend telling me he had a bad experience with them. > > Anyway, I love track 4 and have been playing it constantly > since I got. I like Expo 2000 without the electronic > perscussion and at almost 7 minutes, it has a nice hypnotic > feel to it. I programmed my CD player to repeat it for about 61 > minutes and feel alseep to it. Tracks 1 and 2 are good also. > > As for track 3...have you ever heard something by a group you > like and tried unsuccessfully to enjoy a piece of music > by them and you just couldn't? That's track 3 for me. > I listened to it a few times thinking that maybe it would "grow" > on me with repeated listenings. However, just the opposite > thing happened. It's definately the worst thing Kraftwerk has > ever done. It sounds like the soundtrack of a really bad > 1970s disco era TV show. I can just picture Eric Estrada > riding down the highway on a police motorcycle and the scene > quickly changing to some bimbo roller blading on a sunny > day in California. Except for track 3, I love this CD. my sentiments exactly....wierd....track 2 is awesome... tom w sp: expo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 02 Jan 2000 11:07:46 +0100 When I heared EXPO2000 the first time, I had doubts about. I listened to it a second time and thought: mh, that's all ? The next morning on the way to my work I remembered what I heared the evening before. I was surpriced how many details came back to my mind and suddenly I was overwhelmed by it: WOW !!! At this point I knew: It's greate !!! So don't be too disappointed about Track 3. It can come to you, when you never expected it ;-) btw: imho the limited version on KK-MIX 2002 is quite better. Gubbolf > As for track 3...have you ever heard something by a group you > like and tried unsuccessfully to enjoy a piece of music > by them and you just couldn't? That's track 3 for me. > I listened to it a few times thinking that maybe it would "grow" > on me with repeated listenings. However, just the opposite > thing happened. It's definately the worst thing Kraftwerk has > ever done. (...) Except for track 3, I love this CD. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 02 Jan 2000 10:43:53 +0000 Personally I lov track 3. The way the rhythms move is fantastic. If anything, it's the best track on there. I think the other three are ambient twiddle at best. Not single material, more like the last track of an album for a gentle fade-out than anything else. >When I heared EXPO2000 the first time, I had doubts about. I listened to >it a second time and thought: mh, that's all ? >The next morning on the way to my work I remembered what I heared the >evening before. I was surpriced how many details came back to my mind >and suddenly I was overwhelmed by it: WOW !!! >At this point I knew: It's greate !!! >So don't be too disappointed about Track 3. It can come to you, when you >never expected it ;-) -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Holly Johnson interview.. Date: 02 Jan 2000 10:52:03 -0500 If it hasn't been mentioned here before, check out the Holly Johnson (ex-Frankie Goes to Hollywood) interview with Lexicon magazine. He mentioned Kraftwerk several times. http://eurogay.net/mitglieder/holly/lexicon.html -- Email: fridge@sympatico.ca Fido: grizz@fido.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (kw) FS & FA: LARGE KRAFTWERK/SYNTHPOP COLLECTION - New Years Speical Sale Date: 02 Jan 2000 16:01:39 -0500 I am parting with a great deal of my personal collection after collecting for more than 15 years. Over 1000 titles are available at my website: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm Now, to celebrate the new Millennium, I'm holding my FIRST EVER SALE off my normal prices. THIS SPECIAL OFFER RUNS FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY ONLY! Order $1 - $20 take 10% off your total order Order $21 - $50 take 20% off your total order Order $51 - $100 take 25% off your total order Order over $100 take 35% off your total order Included in my sale are tons of rare items, many standard issues and a few things you probably never knew were released (unless you wrote the artists' discography). Artists include: ABC, A-ha, Marc Almond/Soft Cell, Alphaville, Belouis Some, Beloved, Book Of Love, Camouflage, Cause & Effect, Cetu Javu, Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Echo & The Bunnymen, Erasure/Vince Clarke, Eurythmics/Annie Lennox , Frazier Chorus, Hubert Kah, Information Society, Howard Jones, KLF/JAMMS, Kon Kan, Kraftwerk, Morrissey/Smiths, Sinead O’Connor, New Order/Electronic/Revenge, Normal/Silicon Teens, OMD, Pet Shop Boys, Psychedelic Furs/Love Spit Love, Red Box, Red Flag, Secession, When In Rome Yaz(oo)/Alison Moyet and many, many more. Many items are set sale but I will put some items up on eBay as well. New titles will be added to the auction bi-weekly with the first auctions starting later this week. The whole shebang , including ordering/shipping info, starts here: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm The eBay items can be found at http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=vig@worldne t.att.net If this URL is chopped in your mail reader just copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser. Here's the Kraftwerk items Kraftwerk Pocket Caculator 12" US Promo w/ Dentaku Great CPS PROA-951 Ebay Kraftwerk Tour De France 12" US Remix + French vers PS 20146 Ebay Kraftwerk-Electric Music Crosstalk CD German 3 tracks Single Ltd. Ed. Of 5,000 Gatefold 110363 Ebay Kraftwerk-Electric Music TV CD German Single 2 versions PS SPV 055-92673 Ebay Thanks for looking. David http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm xx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) Date: 02 Jan 2000 23:41:09 +0100 ...all new messages are dated with "100"...just check it out ;-) Greets from Vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) Date: 02 Jan 2000 21:23:46 -0500 > ....all new messages are dated with "100"...just check it out ;-) Hehe, Expo 19100 ;) No wonder Kraftwerk uses this numbering system! It allows them to truthfully say they're going to release an album in 2000 while we fans don't know that in their special system, 2000 doesn't exist! ;) -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) Date: 03 Jan 2000 08:21:44 +0200 Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 09:23:46PM -0500 Eric Gartner ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ ÐÏ ÐÏ×ÏÄÕ Re: (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) > > > ....all new messages are dated with "100"...just check it out ;-) > > Hehe, Expo 19100 ;) > > No wonder Kraftwerk uses this numbering system! It allows them to truthfully > say they're going to release an album in 2000 while we fans don't know that > in their special system, 2000 doesn't exist! ;) For those of view who are interested in the technical reason why this happened, most probably their guestbook is written in Perl and author made a mistake assuming that the date function return a two digit value - while will return 100 on 2001, 101 and 2002 and so forth.. -- Best Regards Vladimir Ivaschenko http://www.hazard.maks.net/~hazard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: [CORRECTED] (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) Date: 03 Jan 2000 08:21:44 +0200 Sorry, it seems I didn't wake up completely while I was writing the message. Corrected version below :-) Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 09:23:46PM -0500 Eric Gartner ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ ÐÏ ÐÏ×ÏÄÕ Re: (kw) EMI Kraftwerk Guestbook: Y2K Krash ;-) > > > ....all new messages are dated with "100"...just check it out ;-) > > Hehe, Expo 19100 ;) > > No wonder Kraftwerk uses this numbering system! It allows them to truthfully > say they're going to release an album in 2000 while we fans don't know that > in their special system, 2000 doesn't exist! ;) For those of you who are interested in the technical reason why this happened, most probably their guestbook is written in Perl and author made a mistake assuming that the date function returns a two digit value - while it returns 100 on 2000, 101 on 2001 and so forth.. -- Best Regards Vladimir Ivaschenko http://www.hazard.maks.net/~hazard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) foreign language CD's.... Date: 03 Jan 2000 12:24:57 +0000 does anybody know where I can get the foreign editions of the Kraftwerk albums cheap? Mark -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 03 Jan 2000 11:28:12 -0800 I just got my copy of Expo 2000 from CDconnection.com on Thursday for $12.18, a little expensive but not too bad. I love it! I especially like the 2002 Mix, but I think it works best in contrast to the 2000 mix; that is, the 2002 Mix wouldn't be as novel without the original 2000 Mix to compare it to. It's really interesting to see the varied opinions on the Expo 2000 disc. Every possible reaction, people love it, people hate it, and those who love it each have a different favorite track! Expo2000 is a success, and here's to a new Kraftwerk album in 2000! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 03 Jan 2000 11:32:15 -0800 Oh, and by the way! Did EMI jumble up the titles on their Expo2000 snippits, or what? The 2002 Mix from the disc was listed as the 2001 Mix on the website. Anybody know an answer? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ouija@mail.com Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 03 Jan 2000 17:48:25 -0500 > Oh, and by the way! Did EMI jumble up the titles on their Expo2000 >snippits, or what? The 2002 Mix from the disc was listed as the 2001 Mix >on the website. Anybody know an answer? I asked the same question about a week ago but nobody responded. I'd assume that the CD lists the correct titles but it did strike me as odd that they be listed out of chronological order (2000, 2002, 2001) ouija@mail.com __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 03 Jan 2000 18:03:35 -0500 > I asked the same question about a week ago but nobody responded. > I'd assume that the CD lists the correct titles but it did strike me > as odd that they be listed out of chronological order (2000, 2002, 2001) It could be that 2002 is so named because it is the most futuristic and alien sounding one. However, it was not put as the last track because having the other three similar-sounding songs in a row would be waaayyy too monotonous, even for an electronic band. -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 03 Jan 2000 15:20:44 -0800 > I asked the same question about a week ago but nobody responded. >I'd assume that the CD lists the correct titles but it did strike me >as odd that they be listed out of chronological order (2000, 2002, 2001) My guess is that Kraftwerk created it as an afterthought, and then positioned it third, rather than last, to add some variation to the sequence of mixes. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk again on air Date: 04 Jan 2000 00:31:39 +0100 Jan Reetze schrieb: > radio listeners in europe: > as stated by DLF radio, a short report on the kraftwerk lawsuit shall be > broadcasted on monday, 3. january 2000, at 15.05 MEZ (or 14.05 GMT/UTC) in > the magazine "corso". (...) Well, there was nothing about it today. Does BTW anybody know if the thing from 27.12. will be repeated someday? I missed it :-/. Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Talley" Subject: (kw) Vas is das? Date: 03 Jan 2000 18:55:56 -0800 The following is the source code of http://www.kraftwerk.de/html/antenna_e.html Notice the name Modern Concepts at the tail of the meta tag? There is no space before it, unlike everything else which has been meticulously coded. So, this must have been added after the initial coding of the page. What is Modern Concepts? Anyone? The new album title perhaps? -Bill Kraftwerk - Antenna

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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Fwd:(kw) 2000 Expo 2000 Date: 04 Jan 2000 12:41:21 GMT >>I just want to tell you all that in our house, EXPO 2000 was on repeat all night between 1999 and 2000, it gave the right mood.<< Now that just sounds like hell. Anyone else ever get the feeling that whatver KW put out will be viewed as food from the gods by the majority of this list - irrespective of how mediocre it may be? Or am I getting too cynical in my old age, having reached 35 etc??? Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) Great Moments Date: 04 Jan 2000 13:05:32 GMT Anyway as you can tell I'm bored by all the Expo chat, so I thought I'd try to start a new discussion! How about sharing what we feel are the defining moments (as we see them) in electronic music. Maybe it could encourage us to listen to works that we don't know. For example the things that will always stay in my mind are: The first time I ever heard "Europe Endless", a truly beautiful piece of music The first time I heard "Cars" by Gary Numan, now played to death, but a true classic The superb duet between Billy Currie and Chris Payne in the 2nd 1/2 of Gary Numan's "On Broadway" - mesmerising The entire single long version of Orbital's "Are We Here" - so original with vocals to die for Brian Eno's "Discreet Music" - Timeless Brian Eno's "Deep Blue Day" - the perfect ambient tune The moment the vocal kicks in during the Olympic 2 version of KW's "Numbers" - sends a shiver down my spine Way out West's "the Gift" Electric Music's "Overdrive" - powerful stuff FSOL's "Papua New Guinea" The live version of Ultravox's "the Voice" when they all beat out a rhythm on syndrums or the first time you hear Ultravox's "Astradyne" See, I could go on for ever! Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) broken Date: 04 Jan 2000 11:49:01 GMT hello i broke my shoulder go here for more details of my life threatening ordeal http://www.geocities.com/theswearmaster/accident.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) Great Moments Date: 04 Jan 2000 08:58:34 -0500 Well, there are a few things that stick in my mind. The first time I heard "Tongebirge" - My first experience with KW's earlier works, beautiful Thomas Dolby's "Airwaves" - A wonderful song with a message Thomas Dolby's "N.E.O." which was composed for "The Gate to The Mind's Eye" video takes me to a far away place Yamo's "Aurora Borealis" is wonderfully hypnotic "Antenna" has a certain trancelike quality that I find appealing Tangerine Dream's "Pilots of the Ether Belt" The Balanescu Quartet's cover of "Autobahn" while not electronic, is a must listen. "Little Fluffy Clouds" by The Orb is a perfect windows-down driving song. "Only Us" by Peter Gabriel is a fantastic tune These are just a few of things that get played on a regular basis. (and also got burned onto a custom CD-R). -Chuck ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:05 AM > > Anyway as you can tell I'm bored by all the Expo chat, so I thought I'd try to > start a new discussion! How about sharing what we feel are the defining moments > (as we see them) in electronic music. Maybe it could encourage us to listen to > works that we don't know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) 2000 Expo 2000 Date: 04 Jan 2000 12:05:18 -0500 > Now that just sounds like hell. Anyone else ever get the feeling that whatver > KW > put out will be viewed as food from the gods by the majority of this list - > irrespective of how mediocre it may be? > Or am I getting too cynical in my old age, having reached 35 etc??? I doubt it's age, since I'm 18 and also think the track is somewhat mediocre. I pack enough cynicism for an entire army of cranky old people, however. Actually I figured this track would be bigger with the older members of the list, who are old enough to remember a time when this actually would have been a groundbreaking track >Notice the name Modern Concepts at the tail of the meta tag? There is >no space before it, unlike everything else which has been meticulously >coded. So, this must have been added after the initial coding of the >page. What is Modern Concepts? Anyone? The new album title perhaps? I think you're on to something, Bill. -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) Great Moments Date: 04 Jan 2000 10:47:40 -0700 Rich wrote: >How about sharing what we feel are the defining moments >(as we see them) in electronic music. These instead of being "defining moments" are some of the records and songs that I will treasure as the ones that gave me the first chills way back when (and some, still do!): "From Here to Eternity" Giorgio Moroder, "TEE" Kraftwerk, "Oxigene" Jean Michel Jarre, "Albedo 0.39" Vangelis, "I Robot" Alan Parsons Project, "Selling England by the Pound" Genesis, "Exposure" Robert Fripp, "Encore" Tangerine Dream, "III" Peter Gabriel, "Ommadawn" Mike Oldfield, "Dark Side of the Moon" Pink Floyd, "IV" Led Zep; and the following synth songs made me want to be a DJ so I could blow everybody's head with them: "Situation" Yazoo, "Fade to Gray" Visage, "Tainted Love" Soft Cell, "Cars" Gary Numan, "Tour De France" Kraftwerk, "I Feel Love" Donna Summer, "Blue Monday" New Order; "Let the Music Play" Shannon, among others that I can't remember now... Enrique pd: happy new year everyone! (especialmente para vos, Juan gracias por tu mail) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: Re: (kw) Vas is das? Date: 04 Jan 2000 15:15:26 -0500 Hello > Notice the name Modern Concepts at the tail of the meta tag? There is > no space before it, unlike everything else which has been meticulously > coded. So, this must have been added after the initial coding of the > page. What is Modern Concepts? Anyone? The new album title perhaps? > "Modem Concepts" could be the web design company or the hosting company. --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Great Moments Date: 04 Jan 2000 12:31:03 -0800 >Rich wrote: >>How about sharing what we feel are the defining moments >>(as we see them) in electronic music. I'll list some albums that certainly expanded my perceptions of music the first time I heard them: Perrey & Kingsley - The Essential Perrey & Kingsley The Residents - Tunes Of Two Cities (Or "Duck Stab," or "Cube-E") The Legendary Pink Dots - Shadow Weaver (it still gives me chills) Aphex Twin - Come To Daddy (his percussion is so organic) Laibach - Let It Be (I wasn't familar with eastern european sounds when I discovered this album) Depeche Mode - Music For The Masses (this was hard for me to listen to at first because I had never heard anything so "dark" before! Oh my, the innocence of youth!) Renaldo & The Loaf - Songs For Swinging Larvae (this isn't electronic as much as it's musique concrete) Negativland - Free (they're masters of samples and sound collage) Hmm... I can think of many others, but they're not really "electronic" albums. And albums like Tomita's "The Planets" and Morton Subotnik's "Silver Apples From The Moon" were impressive when I first heard them, but they weren't really "defining moments" for me. "The Mix" was my first Kraftwerk purchase, as that was issued around the time I discovered them. All of their albums are seperate defining moments for me, as odd as that may sound. But I remember where I bought each of them, and what life was like for me at that time. All the KW albums are so beautifully hypnotic, they put me into a meditative trance. I think "Radio-Activitaet" was a major defining moment for me. That album is so incredible. To listen to that album is to be immersed in an alternate reality. It's so much more than just a collection of songs. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) Vas is das? Date: 04 Jan 2000 16:03:40 -0500 >> Notice the name Modern Concepts at the tail of the meta tag? There is >> no space before it, unlike everything else which has been meticulously >> coded. So, this must have been added after the initial coding of the >> page. What is Modern Concepts? Anyone? The new album title perhaps? >> > > "Modem Concepts" could be the web design company or the hosting company. More likely it has something to do with this: http://www.modernconcepts.net/ Try entering in different numbers in the upper-right corner! although I must admit, "Modern Concepts" is a better name than "Electric Cafe" :) -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) yesterday and today. Date: 04 Jan 2000 18:00:46 -0500 Here's one for all the folks who bristle at the Teutonic Beach Boy's lable the "unknowing scribes" sometimes tag Krafwerk with. Firstly, if there's proof out there somewhere that KW did intitally enjoy the Beach Boys, I'm interested in hearing the quote(s). For those of you who pass it off as a thick headed view of the lyrics to Autobahn, and not much else, your narrow view of the Beach Boys might be inhibiting your appreciation for a very possible influence. Although KW (almost) quote the Boy's lyical snippet in Autobahn, it seems to me to be nothing more than a friendly tip of the hat, with a wink. Much like mentioning Bowie and Pop in TEE. However, there ARE some Beach Boys tracks that very much suggest Kraftwerk. Where would you find them? You'd have to pick up the "2fer" (Two Beach Boy's albums on one CD) version of Smiley Smile/Wild Honey. In what is perhaps (undeservedly) the Boy's most unpopular disk (Smiley/Smile), might be the seeds of KW's sound. There are percolating motifs, minimalist backgrounds and classical melodys. PLUS there are bonus tracks on the 2fer (Good Vibrations sessons) that absolutely hint to where Autobahn and other directions. Also, after listening to "Elektric Music" - Esperanto, I can only say that I'm soooo glad that the EXPO 2000 single sounds nothing like THAT. My appreciation for the newest piece of the puzzle has changed a bit. Early listenings had me hating the whole thing. Now, I'm learning to like it, and at the very least appreciating it for what it doesn't do. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rita Herman Subject: (kw) Modern Concepts Date: 04 Jan 2000 15:36:07 -0800 (PST) Eric, You're rigth. modernConcepts.net did Kraftwerk's new site. They were great to work with...even mentioned us on the Expo 2000 CD back-cover without us asking! True gentlemen! - Rita modernconcepts.net ******** >>More likely it has something to do with this: http://www.modernconcepts.net/ >>Try entering in different numbers in the upper-right corner! >>although I must admit, "Modern Concepts" is a better name than "Electric Cafe" :) -ericg- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan)" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #372 Date: 04 Jan 2000 23:13:06 -0500 Hi all.. I have a proposal for a little project we could all be involved with. Rather than spending our entire free time talking/ranting about the musik we love, how about we make some. If say one of us had a pretty decent system with some good mixing software that could produce MP3 files, we could take turns submitting spoken word, vocorder *.wavs, percussion bits, maybe some poor or good keyboard or other non-electronic wav files and the person who volunteered his or her time to do the mixing, could come up with a snappy little 2-3 minute song. What the heck, we all have a better knowledge of electronic music (what is good and what sucks) than many WELL KNOWN musicians who sell their crap via video stations and make millions. I propose this. We form a group ( non-registered , non-profit) and set up an organizer. This person selects others as required who will produce the bits to be mixed for the Kraftwerk type song (s) .. We could take turns and produce a few... A person who can do the mixing will do so and the finished product would be reviewed by all of us, voted on and sent to that site in the Netherlands that sells musik online. (Greentree records or something like that..).. We all agree on a charity and and sparse funds raised get sent to it. If we handle all correspondence via this mailing list so no-one runs off and steals the product for their own profit.. So tell me, am I a crazy Canadian with a dumb idea or what? Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #372 Date: 05 Jan 2000 00:01:41 -0500 > So tell me, am I a crazy Canadian with a dumb idea or what? An intriguing idea, but I would feel sorry for the mixers and the organizer, who would have to sift through all the crap and pick out the best parts all while receiving complaints and recommendations from everyone else on the list... I'd hate to see everyone end up on VH1's Behind The Music ;) I think this would be very chaotic. Done *extremely* carefully though, I imagine it could be a worthwhile project. It's interesting to me how revolutionary the Internet can be to the way music is made; instead of meeting after school in someone's garage, now bands can be formed by people from all over the world who have never even met each other. It sounds like the kind of concept Kraftwerk would endorse, using technology and music to bring people everywhere closer together. Stuff like this never seems to come to fruition though. Didn't someone a while back suggest that the list write a Kraftwerk book? I always thought this would be a lot cooler than making up our own "band" and maybe a little more manageable. Still, someone would have to take on the taxing managerial duties and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone... I think harnessing the intelligence and creativity of the list members for some sort of collaborative effort is an excellent idea, but it must be something carefully planned, feasible, and well worth the time and effort. We have such a talented and diverse list and it would be nice to work on something that would set us apart from the others... but i wonder if anyone has the time! Not me! Canada, now that's a whole other issue... ;) j/k -ericg- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #372 Date: 04 Jan 2000 21:18:56 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan) wrote: > I propose this. We form a group ( non-registered , non-profit) and set up > an organizer. This person selects others as required who will produce the > bits to be mixed for the Kraftwerk type song (s) .. We could take turns > > So tell me, am I a crazy Canadian with a dumb idea or what? Dunno about the crazy part, but the idea makes me wish I had some equipment and musical skills to volunteer. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * In the event of a real .sig, this line would be funny. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: Re: (kw) Modern Concepts Date: 05 Jan 2000 07:18:37 +0100 ritaherman@yahoo.com skrev 00-01-05 00.36: >You're rigth. modernConcepts.net did Kraftwerk's new >site. They were great to work with...even mentioned us >on the Expo 2000 CD back-cover without us asking! True >gentlemen! Rita, please tell us more about the werk! -- Gunnar R Johansson gunnar@gunnar.net - mer kontakt : http://www.gunnar.net/.sig # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Vas is das? Date: 05 Jan 2000 13:28:29 +0100 I'm surprised about the "Karlsruhe" in the tags. Maybe they left Dusseldorf? Rick Jansen William Talley wrote: > > The following is the source code of > http://www.kraftwerk.de/html/antenna_e.html > rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R-G-D@gmx.net Subject: (kw) Vas is das? Date: 05 Jan 2000 07:35:17 +0100 (MET) http://modernconcepts.net/ see EXPO2000 CD/12" credit -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Talley" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #372 Date: 04 Jan 2000 22:07:40 -0800 Sure, I'd love to participate. We might want to determine a method to our madness. Here's a tiny list of some software I commonly use for music creation: Sonic Foundry Acid 2.0 Cool Edit Pro 1.2 Sayit I make sounds with my synths and sample them with Cool Edit, then sequence the sounds in Acid. Very simple. Sayit is a text to speech software. Limited, but it's fun to mess with it in Cool Edit. My software arsenal is vast - reaktor, rebirth, buzz (never discount this gem), cakewalk, plugins galore, etc. The ones that I've listed are probably the best ones for doing this project. If we all use the same software and start off with the same samples, it's easier for us to share our work. Ideas? My Canadian brothers, your distant voices swing! -Bill ps - if anyone has questions about obtaining the aforementioned software, please email me privately. "Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan)" wrote: > > Hi all.. I have a proposal for a little project we could all be involved > with. Rather than spending our entire free time talking/ranting about the > musik we love, how about we make some. If say one of us had a pretty > decent system with some good mixing software that could produce MP3 files, > we could take turns submitting spoken word, vocorder *.wavs, percussion > bits, maybe some poor or good keyboard or other non-electronic wav files > and the person who volunteered his or her time to do the mixing, could come > up with a snappy little 2-3 minute song. What the heck, we all have a > better knowledge of electronic music (what is good and what sucks) than > many WELL KNOWN musicians who sell their crap via video stations and make > millions. > > I propose this. We form a group ( non-registered , non-profit) and set up > an organizer. This person selects others as required who will produce the > bits to be mixed for the Kraftwerk type song (s) .. We could take turns > and produce a few... A person who can do the mixing will do so and the > finished product would be reviewed by all of us, voted on and sent to that > site in the Netherlands that sells musik online. (Greentree records or > something like that..).. We all agree on a charity and and sparse funds > raised get sent to it. > > If we handle all correspondence via this mailing list so no-one runs off > and steals the product for their own profit.. > > So tell me, am I a crazy Canadian with a dumb idea or what? > > Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) New Site Date: 05 Jan 2000 13:19:52 GMT Okay, so this new site (www.kraftwerk.de) is TRULY official ? It really didn't look like it at first. I wonder what will happen to the old site. One thing's for sure; I'll be extremely pissed if the new album isn't released over here in the US. Hmmm... maybe if we're lucky, Cleopatra/Hypnotic will snatch this one up as well. ;-P - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) BOOTLEGS !!! Date: 05 Jan 2000 09:11:12 -0800 (PST) OK EVERYBODY. WE HAVE ALL PROBABLY GOT BOOTLEG CD'S FROM THE EUROPEAN CONCERTS IN 97/98 BUT WERE THERE ANY CD'S MADE OF THE AMERICAN, JAPANESE AND BRAZILLIAN GIGS? IF SO LET ME KNOW. THANKS. CLARKYYYYY!!!! _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nat Heidler" Subject: (kw) Balanescu Quartet Date: 05 Jan 2000 13:46:28 -0600 Thanks to everyone who pointed me to this CD some time ago. Finally got it after special order, for Xmas. Fantastic! Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: (kw) OFF TOPIC: PIERRE HENRY=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=95?= MICHEL COLOMBIER Date: 06 Jan 2000 03:45:09 +0100 =20 1. Sorry for this Off Topic. =20 2. Can anyone please give information about the Artists and their track: =20 3. > Psych=E9 Rock< (World-wide release ?, Chart-position ?, etc.) =20 4. I own 5 different Remixes of this realy enjoyable composition. Who did those remixes and in which year. =20 Thanks for any help =20 ---josef =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: (kw) OFF TOPIC: PIERRE HENRY=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=95?= MICHEL COLOMBIER Date: 06 Jan 2000 03:43:29 +0100 =20 1. Sorry for this Off Topic. =20 2. Can anyone please give information about the Artists and their track: =20 3. > Psych=E9 Rock< (World-wide release ?, Chart-position ?, etc.) =20 4. I own 5 different Remixes of this realy enjoyable composition. Who did those remixes and in which year. =20 Thanks for any help =20 ---josef =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #372 Date: 05 Jan 2000 10:56:30 -0800 >So tell me, am I a crazy Canadian with a dumb idea or what? What about having a tribute album of Kraftwerk covers? It would be nice to have a compilation as diverse as "Trans-Slovenia Express". Anybody play accoustic instruments? I, for one, have been converting some KW songs onto accordion lately... I bring this up because I'm not really an electronic musician, but I could certainly present a unique take on the KW classics we all know and love. We could call it "Digest Express" or "The List-Machine". Okay, wait, new rule: I'm not allowed to name the compilation. Then, when all the tracks are collected, one of us could convert them to mp3's and put them up on a site. We could burn CD's for those on the list without burners. It could be really fun! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan)" Subject: (kw) Online Musik Production Date: 05 Jan 2000 23:14:52 -0500 Well it sounds like a few people are interested in my idea. So I propose we start with lyrics to a basic Kraftwerk type song. How about this, as the big bad faux millenium bug has turned out to be a minor issue (even though two canadian ontario provincial government phone and computer systems crashed today SHHH!!), a song beginning in English with like this first verse: Over the mountains, across the sea Y2K O K by me Leaves still grow upon the tree Y2K O K by me Y2K, Y2K, Y2K O K By me Y2K, Y2K, Y2K O K By me Y2K, Y2K, Y2K O K By me Y2K, Y2K, Y2K O K By me So how say we add a few more versus in other languages, that matches the same style. Keeping with the idea of "the year 2000 arrived and we all had a big party, and nothing horrible happened to the world". Suggestions? When we get a few more, we can then put it through voice synthesis software, and from their add a drum track. Then add more and mix away. sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) New CDSingle Date: 06 Jan 2000 10:07:19 +0100 Hi, Here is the info I receive today from Bigbag: - Kraftwerk * Expo 2000 -Rmx- (Erscheint: 09-Feb-00) Erhaeltlich als: CDS So a remix CDSingle of Expo 2000 for February 9 if I'm right . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Online Musik Production Date: 06 Jan 2000 19:37:58 +0100 > Subject: (kw) Online Musik Production > > When we get a few more, we can then put it through voice synthesis > software, and from their add a drum track. Then add more and mix away. I'm already installing MacinTalk and programming my MC303... -- Remember when you computer gives an error, it's because: the stack can dip into the heap for just a few cycles and not be caught by the stack sniffer - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rochow@pixelmagic.com Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 at Amazon 2 times? Date: 06 Jan 2000 14:41:52 -0500 Amazon.com lists it twice, with the same description, for $10.99 and $12.99, the latter listing showing a higher sales rank and several reviews (compared with 0 for the $10.99 version). Is there any basis for thinking there might be a difference besides the price? Expo 2000 [CD-SINGLE] [IMPORT] Kraftwerk Our Price: $10.99 Availability: This title usually ships within 2-3 days. Audio CD (December 13, 1999) Emi; ASIN: B00003JA7X Amazon.com Sales Rank: 34,778 and Expo 2000 [CD-SINGLE] [IMPORT] Kraftwerk Our Price: $12.99 Availability: This title usually ships within 2-3 days. Audio CD (December 14, 1999) Phantom; ASIN: B00003OTAZ Amazon.com Sales Rank: 6,189 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: R-G-D@gmx.net Subject: (kw) DLF short report on monday, 3. january 2000 Date: 06 Jan 2000 17:30:47 +0100 (MET) Deutschlandfunk, Mo. 20. Dezember 1999 15:05 Corso - Kultur nach 3 - Rechtsstreit der Gruppe "Kraftwerk" - Ungew=F6hnliche Musiktherapie eines Mail=E4nder Psychiaters - Gespr=E4ch mit Gerburg Jahnke und Steffi =DCberall - Misfits - "Rettet das Videodrom" - Berliner K=FCnstler engagieren sich f=FCr die Kultvideothek 16:00 see http://www.dradio.de/ --=20 Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) EXPO2000 Chartposition Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:42:10 +0100 EXPO2000 is no 43 in Germany now. "ascertained by media control" Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) Modern Concepts Date: 07 Jan 2000 09:46:10 +0100 This could indeed have been a great title for a KW album... I still don't understand why the outdated www.kraftwerk.com is listed on the Expo2000 cover along with modernconcepts.net who designed the new wonderful www.kraftwerk.de (which is not mentioned anywhere). Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Khris Raistrick Subject: RE: (kw) Online Musik Production/lyrics Date: 07 Jan 2000 16:30:15 -0000 i think you need the lyric "man lasts longer than machine" famously uttered by florian.. khris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Date: 07 Jan 2000 09:01:33 -0800 (PST) I believe Florian said "Ja, car always lasts longer..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 07 Jan 2000 19:39:59 +0100 Hä? Jason & Sherry Nuckels wrote: > > I believe Florian said "Ja, car always lasts longer..." > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 07 Jan 2000 19:46:29 +0100 > I believe Florian said "Ja, car always lasts longer..." Did I miss a posting or does the joke get lost in translation? -- IN THE FUTURE: In the future, women will have breasts all over. In the future, it will be a relief to find a place without culture. In the future, plates of food will have names and titles. Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Khris Raistrick Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Date: 07 Jan 2000 19:38:39 -0000 florian said ,referring to a car that belonged to someone who had been shot dead,that a machine always lasts longer,ie longer than a human.it's a story attributed to david bowie. k # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO2000 Chartposition Date: 07 Jan 2000 15:32:34 -0500 What does "Ascertained by media control" mean? How do the charts work in Germany? That sounds like a government agency! --Nate ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 7:42 AM > > EXPO2000 is no 43 in Germany now. > "ascertained by media control" > > Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kelly" Subject: (kw) new album? Date: 07 Jan 2000 22:04:16 -0500 http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ is listing JULY Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) sorry if this has been posted already. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) new album? Date: 08 Jan 2000 01:42:19 -0500 > http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ is listing > > JULY > Kraftwerk - t.b.a. CD/LP (Kling Klang/EMI, Germany) > > sorry if this has been posted already. We've seen advance notices about this kind of thing before, all with no album materializing. I believe a new album is imminent, but I'll wait until EMI drops the release date on us to start celebrating. It'd be nice if they managed to get a US label, too ;) That same site has an Expo 2000 review, one of the few English reviews of the single I've seen: "Thirteen years since the last original material has come from the group known as Kraftwerk and we get this, a piece commissioned for something I know nothing about. The music is quite unexciting, four similar versions of a rather uninteresting song to begin with. A simple and moderate paced undoubtedly Kraftwerkian tune with computer generated vocals, repeating the basic theme of Expo 2000 over and over again. On the more positive side, the cover is pretty spiffy: a fractal-esque design which changes depending on how the cover is held in your hand. I'm interested to see if an album will ever develop, but this single is something just to own and not necessarily to listen to. - Jon Whitney" -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO2000 Chartposition Date: 07 Jan 2000 09:22:56 +0100 "Media Control" is a German privat company which collects and analyses the sales of media in Germany (music,movies,books,tv...) Infos (in German) http://www.media-control.de current German charts: http://www.chartradio.de/menu_top100.html Gubbolf nsw wrote: > > What does "Ascertained by media control" mean? How do the charts work in > Germany? That sounds like a government agency! > > --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) Vacation Date: 08 Jan 2000 05:18:18 -0500 Hey, everyone! It's that time of year again, so the family and I are off to Cozumel. Those of you who I've been in MD-trade discussions with, the discs are on their way; please wait a week before sending the return discs. Don't fill up the mailbox TOO much, but keep the discussions fast an' furious. See y'all in 2 weeks. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Moriarty Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Makes Top 25 Second Cut Date: 08 Jan 2000 13:02:20 -0500 The following was posted on the Jimi Hendrix hey-joe mailing list, and I thought I'd cross it over to this list as you'll find a familiar name in the second grouping. Plus, the list itself is interesting! Enjoy... Frank Moriarty -- Guitars versus aliens? Hear all about it: http://www.geocities.com/~3si For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise! *************************************************** I want to hear and see everything... -- Jimi Hendrix *************************************************** In case you haven't had enough year-end and century-end lists already, the NY Times ran an article on Monday in which their music critics selected 25 albums "representing turning points and pinnacles in 20th-century popular music." The writers concentrated on American music, focusing mainly on albums released since 1950. Here's the list: - --Enrico Caruso: "The Greatest Tenor in the World" (RCA Red Seal, 1902-20) - --Louis Armstrong: "Hot Fives & Sevens" (JSP or Columbia, 1925-1928) - --Al Jolson: "Vol. 3: The Twenties: From Broadway to Hollywood" (Pearl Flapper, 1926-36) - --"The Bristol Sessions" (Country Music Foundation, 1927) - --Robert Johnson: "King of the Delta Blues Singers" (1936-37) - --Billie Holiday: "Greatest Hits (Columbia/Legacy, 1935-41) - --"Oklahoma!": Original Broadway Cast (MCA, 1943) - --Duke Ellington: "The Blanton-Webster Band" (RCA, 1940-42) - --Hank Williams: "40 Greatest Hits" (Polydor, 1947-53) - --Elvis Presley: "The Sun Sessions" (RCA, 1954) - --James Brown: "Star Time" (Polydor, 1956-84) - --Tito Puente: "Dance Mania" (RCA, 1957) - --Frank Sinatra: "Sings for Only the Lonely" (Capitol, 1958) - --John Coltrane: "A Love Supreme" (1965) - --Miles Davis: "Live at the Plugged Nickel" (1965) - --Bob Dylan: "Highway 61 Revisited" (Columbia, 1965) - --Beatles: "Revolver" (Capitol 1966) - --Aretha Franklin: "I Never Loved a Man the Way I Loved You" (Atlantic, 1967) - --The Jimi Hendrix Experience: "Are you Experienced?" (MCA, 1967) TEXT: "Jimi Hendrix had played with rhythm-and-blues greats like Little Richard and B. B. King, and that inheritance was his raw material. Countercultural rock's language helped him express a transcendental vision grounded in the particularities of his race and generation. Beginning by changing how an electric guitar is played (many of his solos still seem like sonic impossibilities), Hendrix and his band transformed fundamentals. Shifting beats, skewed arrangements and lyrics as weird as dreams all buoyed Hendrix's relentless innovation as he forged a paradigm still too complex for most to unravel." - --Joni Mitchell: "Blue" (Reprise, 1971) - --Bob Marley and the Wailers: "Legend" (Island, 1973-80) - --Ramones: "Ramones" (Sire, 1976) - --Michael Jackson: Thriller" (Epic, 1982) - --Public Enemy: "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" (Def Jam, 1988) - --Nirvana: "Nevermind" (Geffen, 1991) And for good measure, here's a list of the 25 "alternates": - --Bessie Smith: "Collection" - --George Gershwin: "Rhapsody in Blue" - --"Anthology of American Folk Music" (Smithsonian Folkways, 1952) - --Mills Brothers: "The Anthology" - --Charlie Parker: "The Complete Savoy Studio Sessions" - --Muddy Waters: "The Chess Box" - --Edith Piaf: "The Voice of the Sparrow" - --Ray Charles: "The Ultimate Hits Collection" - --Chuck Berry: "His Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 and 2" - --Mahalia Jackson: "Live at Newport" - --Joao Gilberto: "The Legendary Joao Gilberto" - --Ornette Coleman: "The Shape of Jazz to Come" - --Shirelles: "The 25 All-Time Greatest Hits" - --"West Side Story," Original Film Soundtrack - --Beach Boys: "Pet Sounds" - --"The Velvet Underground and Nico" (Verve, 1967) - --Rolling Stones: "Beggars Banquet" - --Stevie Wonder: "Innervisions" - --Kraftwerk: "Trans-Europe Express" - --"Saturday Night Fever" (RSO 1977) - --King Sunny Ade and His African Beats: "Juju Music" - --Madonna: "The Immaculate Conception" - --Prince: "Sign o' the Times" - --Dr. Dre: "The Chronic" - --Nine Inch Nails: "The Downward Spiral" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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--MS_Mac_OE_3030226056_15238_MIME_Part-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephanie Richards Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 CD/CDRom Date: 08 Jan 2000 22:47:43 -0800 Hello All, Does anyone know how I can try to obtain a copy of the double cd expo 2000 with the cdrom? Any URL's help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to figure out how someone like myself who lives in the states could attempt to get one (and not through ebay) Since this is a "limited" edition of 4000 there must be someway to get one before it sells out. somewhat near "Harrisburg" s # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) New US Deal ? Date: 09 Jan 2000 05:25:31 +0100 noisewerker@hotmail.com schreibt: =20 > > It just REALLY pisses me=20 >off that no one over here really knows what going on. Hehe, you make me laughing... "Over here"? It=B4s e v e r y w h e r e the same. And, h o w should they know :-) ? =20 > > >I'll start a label one day and buy all of the North American rights to >the=20 >catalog and do them proper justice (remastered, repackaged, bonus tracks= ;=20 >etc.).=20 Hehe...=20 =20 >Most US labels don't know what the fuck they're doing half the time;=20 >nor do they realize the importance of classic artists like KW. Importance? Do you really believe, this is what they=B4re interessted abo= ut? Gigantomanic Record-Companys and "importance"... =20 > >Josh ---josef > =20 > =20 > =20 > > > ___In_God_We_Trust_The_Rest_We_Monitor_And_Photograph___ =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lutz Kult Subject: (kw) kw new cd single Date: 09 Jan 2000 14:31:48 +0100 Hi Leute ! Die EXPO 2000 Remix MCD "Japan Import" gibt es ab 09.02.99 bei www.cybercd.de Lieferzeit ca.5 Wochen !!! Kling Klong LuKult # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan)" Subject: (kw) Song Project Date: 09 Jan 2000 22:55:14 -0500 Hi everyone. Werking away we are on this Kraftwerk tribute/clone song. Need some help and a few suggestions from the masses. First,could someone please translate the following into German and Japanese for me? Over the mountains, across the sea Y2K O K by me Leaves still grow upon the tree Y2K O K by me Also, the word "Future" in both languages as well as maybe Russian, Spanish and Chinese. Finally, we need suggestions for a name for our project. Every groups needs a name! Oh Yes, someone sent me another email within the last two days showing interest in helping with voice synthesis I think.. I accidentally trashed the mail then emptied trash thinking I dragged it elsewhere. please re-send. sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quamar Zahra" Subject: (kw) Stuff Date: 09 Jan 2000 14:52:15 PST Anybody know a good text to speech software fr a human sounding voice. I'm tracking to do a remix of EXPO 2000 and Tour De France (in English, German, and French) and I need it to do the lyrics...unless someone would be willing to give a Florian sounding reading of these lines and send 'em to me to be layered into the instrumental track...also I need the line from Faust at the beggining of the Concert Classics version of Kommetenmelodie for a remix of that. Thanks. Later. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour JGENTI Subject: (kw) Dopplereffekt Date: 10 Jan 2000 09:06:16 +0100 Hello, I'm just wondering have some of you paid attention to the band from Detroit called "Dopplereffekt"? They recently released an album titled "Gesamtkunstwerk" and I should say it's indeed very interesting and good werky-sounding stuff. I put a short mp3 track on my page: http://www.multimania.com/timlcf/kw/plastiphila.zip as well as a small review in my 'clones' section http://www.multimania.com/timlcf/kw/ cheers, Tim. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Stuff Date: 10 Jan 2000 11:17:04 +0100 On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:52:15 PST, Quamar Zahra wrote: > >Anybody know a good text to speech software fr a human sounding voice. in English, the Microsoft Text-2-Speech is pretty good. You may also want to try the TTS from Elan : www.elantts.com , there's also a software version of Digital's DECTalk , they probably have a demo somewhere on their Web site. Then you have others : Infovox, Keynote Multimedia, etc. but I don't remember the URL's. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) OT Hannover hotels Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:40:38 +0100 Sorry this is off-topic. I have looking for hotels or lodging at Hannover in order to attend the Kraftwerk's concert in the Expo 2000, but all the hotels I find on-line are very expensive. Is anybody of you able to help me, please? Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean Christophe DERRIEN Subject: (kw) (non related) New Mailing List Date: 10 Jan 2000 17:43:22 +0200 I decided to create a mailing list dedicated to Global Communication / Jedi Knights / Reload and their members Tom Middleton and Bill Pritchard. I added Kirsty Hawkshaw and Opus III, because AFAIK Kirsty is married to Bill and they worked together on her album "OUT" (and she's got a beautiful voice). So, if you want to join me, send an email to : globalcommunication-subscribe@egroups.com I dont know yet if you have to be a (free) member of egroup to join the mailing list, but try this if you're interested. I'll plan to do a GC Website pretty soon... JCFromParis On now : Lamb - Gorecki (Global Communication mix) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 on Kink Fm Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:37:25 +0100 Dutch alternative radio just played the "dance" version of Expo 2000. Probably the first time it is played (?) on dutch radio. -- A Windows user spends 1/3 of his life sleeping, 1/3 working, 1/3 waiting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 on Kink Fm Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:59:49 +0100 > Dutch alternative radio just played the "dance" version of Expo 2000. Actually, there on #18 in the Outlaw 41... -- I don't do .INI, .BAT, or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files... I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them... I have a computer to do all that... I have a Macintosh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Toshiba Remix Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:05:51 -0000 Has anyone managed to glean any further information about the Expo 2000 'remix'. Could it just be the Japanese release of the German single? Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Ove Furesund Subject: Re: (kw) OT Hannover hotels Date: 10 Jan 2000 20:21:09 +0100 >Sorry this is off-topic. >I have looking for hotels or lodging at Hannover in order to attend the >Kraftwerk's concert in the Expo 2000, but all the hotels I find on-line are >very expensive. >Is anybody of you able to help me, please? >Thanks in advance. Sorry, I have no answer to your question, but I am wondering when this concert is happening. I have searched the expo2000 site but can not find a word about Kraftwerk. Is it June 9/July 9. or maybe another date? -- Jan Ove Furesund # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) off-topic--rave-o-lution Date: 10 Jan 2000 16:49:34 -0500 Hello Anyone know anything about the Quasimidi Rave-o-Lution 309? Is this thing good? There's one for sale in my home town, what is the usual used price for one? Thanks, Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) Eurythmics Date: 11 Jan 2000 00:20:09 +0000 For what it is worth... Dave Stewart of the Eurythmics has just said (in an interview on the BBC) that "Sweet Dreams" was an attempt to mix Motown and Kraftwerk. Which, when one comes to think of it, I think is not a bad description! -- Philip Spedding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Sundkvist" Subject: (kw) KW songs without lyrics Date: 10 Jan 2000 20:40:57 CET Hello! Is there any KW songs without lyrics for download? Then, where? I'm writing an essay about them and one part of this work is to do the lyrics myself for several KW songs (Numbers, CW, PC and many more). Therfore I want some instrumental versions of the songs. It would be nice if someone had them in .mp3-format... /Erik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) EXPO 2000 remix Date: 11 Jan 2000 9:25:55 +0100 The other night I heard the "funky" version of E2k on Swedish radio=2E After it the "DJ:s" discussed the remix-version of E2k soon to be released -=20= and they said that it was supposed to be remixed by the Chemical brothers!,=20= anybody got any info/comments on this? Seems a bit too commercial for me, not like good old KW=2E=2E=2E Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: (kw) Demo version of Sex Object for download Date: 11 Jan 2000 10:45:04 +0100 Hi, I have my 'Sounds'-page working again at last. I added the 1983 demo version of Sex Object, since it seems not to be found anywere else on the Internet. http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk Regards, Mats Kadmark P.S. Does a video with music videos from the early '80ies exist - with bands such as Devo, Ultravox and similar groups? Would have been fun to watch...! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk bootleg Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:43:38 +0100 Kraftwerk "Der Robotmix" Kling Klang GEMA MM-990-735-0 kling klang produkt 1999. The cover represents the printed circuit of a Pocket Calculator (I suppose). The CD is a three panels digipack which contains some Kraftwerk photos including the Kling Klang studio photo of the "Ralf und Florian" LP. The track list includes many of the Kraftwerk hits mixed and two bonus tracks: "die roboter rmx 99" and "moog da machine mix 99". DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) "Toshiba Mix" and album stuff Date: 11 Jan 2000 10:24:53 GMT To answer the question that was asked, Toshiba is EMI's affiliate in Japan. I guess the remix single will be out there and in the UK from what I hear. For some reason, big electronic companies in Japan own or are affiliated with most record companies; hence Toshiba, Sony, JVC, Victor, etc. I don't know who will be doing the remixes; The Chemical Bros. is unlikely, but I've heard rumors that William Orbit will be on for this one again, and I've read in the past that Orbital would like to do mixes of new KW material once it's released. As for the album, I've seen on the KW Czech Pages and on another page that supposedly EMI had set a date for the new album this month. Any truth to this ? I really doubt it, but who knows. One thing I truly hope is that this will be a double or triple album with a damn good concept. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Date: 11 Jan 2000 09:13:24 GMT 1. Kohouteks are cool!!! 2. EXPO 2000, it's quite good so stop complaining! Tracks 2 and 3 are the best, although 3 sounds a bit like it's by someone else :( 3. When's the new album?????? 4. Visit www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922/kwlangu.htm for the best in KW lyrics, an illustrated discography, sounds and pix! (as visited by Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer, under invite by me) Matt Sellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield 2 will release the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every 4.5 years. One of these radioactive substances, Krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. (Kraftwerk 1991, c 1991 Klingklang) sod that, visit me at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 !!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Date: 11 Jan 2000 09:26:31 GMT so, what is the track listing for Expo 2000 limited 2CD??? and, can somebody describe what Sex Object 1983, Radioactivity Hardcore mix and Das Modell (rammstein) are like??? In detail :) Matt Sellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield 2 will release the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every 4.5 years. One of these radioactive substances, Krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. (Kraftwerk 1991, c 1991 Klingklang) sod that, visit me at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 !!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: (kw) I can use some help Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:58:00 -0500 I have a keyboard type instrument that I have never seen before. It has strings like a guitar and keys like a piano.I figuered if anyone would know it would be this wonderful group of people. I tried doing a search on the www but no results.It might be an old instrument from india perhaps. Here are the specs. 24" X 5 3/4" X 1 1/2" Label on top reads: SHUDAH SARGAM on the back it's : TRADE MARK IMCO I can supply a picture if you e-mail me. Much appreciated my fellow kraftwerk friends. Nitrous # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) William Orbit Date: 11 Jan 2000 10:07:48 -0700 Latest news from http://www.williamorbit.com/online.html: German & French William =D8rbit fans (lucky bastards!) will have a = treat in February, William is to visit Paris Feb 10th and then Hamburg Feb 11th = on a promotional visit (i.e. interviews etc) during the on going promotion = for his new solo album "Pieces in a modern style" (for release Jan 17th = 2000). Nothing about him remixing E2K... yet. Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: christoph_marquardt@hp.com Subject: (kw) Got it!! Got it!! E2k limited edition 1147/4000 Date: 11 Jan 2000 18:45:47 +0100 received my copy this morning, just had a brief look at it and put the audio CD in the player.. didn't notice any difference to the single. I love the package (transparent folded plastic wraps the two CDs and has a cardboard case around it) - and I'll check out the CD-ROM tonight when I'm back home. I had ordered it at the Karstadt online store http://www.myworld.de/ in December, unfortunately they don't seem to deliver outside Germany, but check for yourself, I'm not 100% sure. Number in sequence is 1147 of 4000 Toodles, Christoph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 11 Jan 2000 18:58:03 +0100 > > and, can somebody describe what Sex Object 1983, Radioactivity > Hardcore mix and Das Modell (rammstein) are like??? In detail :) Well I have only heard Das Modell by Rammstein. It is not that good, only a hardrock version of Das Modell. /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Demo version of Sex Object for download Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:17:25 -0800 >Hi, > >I have my 'Sounds'-page working again at last. > >I added the 1983 demo version of Sex Object, since it seems >not to be found anywere else on the Internet. > >http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk I tried downloading the file, but the wav file is damaged/unplayable! Try to make it again, maybe in mp3 format. Jason Polland International Sports Sciences Association Multimedia and Web Design http://www.issaonline.com 1-800-892-ISSA (805) 884-8111 / Fax (805) 884-8119 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO 2000 remix Date: 11 Jan 2000 21:02:31 +0100 Let's wait and drink tea ;-) Gubbolf johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > The other night I heard the "funky" version of E2k on Swedish radio. > After it the "DJ:s" discussed the remix-version of E2k soon to be released - and they said that it was supposed to be remixed by the Chemical brothers!, anybody got any info/comments on this? > Seems a bit too commercial for me, not like good old KW... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) Offtopic KS newsgroup Date: 12 Jan 2000 09:14:09 +1100 Hi, does anyone know if there is a similar mailing list for Klaus Schulze? Thanks! VT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) offtopic: KS mailinglist Date: 12 Jan 2000 09:16:57 +1100 Hi, does anyone know if there is a similar mailing list for Klaus Schulze? Thanks! VT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indstrlman@aol.com Subject: (kw) Rammstein Modell Date: 11 Jan 2000 17:33:23 EST I think that this version isn't that bad...A little on the heavy side, but still a good cover. Of course if you play it for someone that hasn't heard Das Modell or yet even Kraftwerk, They would say, that is a good Rammstein song. Cheesy Guitar riffs that sound like every other rammstein song, but Till Linderman, like the singer from Laibach have some powerful vocals. In my opinion anyway. I wouldn't pay more than like 5.00 for the single. It came out before or right after Sehnsucht. Tracklisting is as follows: 1. Das Modell 2. Kokain 3. Alter Mann-Special Version 4. Rammstein Computerspiel--this is some sort of computer game for your p.c. Schuyler NP: Covenant-Theremin ep # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Rammstein Modell Date: 12 Jan 2000 00:43:06 EST I would also say that Till's voice does good things in this song. I usually like his voice, at times it is great. The guitar seems a little too cheesy for me; Rammstein has done a lot better. The highlight of that single is "Kokain." It is one of my favorite Rammstein songs, even though some music in it is directly taken from Faith No More's "Woodpecker From Mars." Speaking of Rammstein and FNM, I also really like their remix of "Du Riechst So Gut." It is really the only good thing about the "Du Riechst So Gut '98" single. I have a particular dislike for that song. Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: Re: (kw) Demo version of Sex Object for download Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:07:40 +0100 are you sure it is unplayable? I tried downloading it from here and unzipped it and played it and it worked fine (I don't have any speakers here at work, but it seemed to be playing fine). Regards, Mats P.S. You must unzip it first using Winzip or a similar program and then Windows Media Player or something to play it (not a pure mp3-player) P.P.S. They're playing Expo 2000 on the radio (Swedish P3) right now! Jason Polland @lists.xmission.com on 2000-01-11 20:17:25 Sent by: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com cc: >Hi, > >I have my 'Sounds'-page working again at last. > >I added the 1983 demo version of Sex Object, since it seems >not to be found anywere else on the Internet. > >http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk I tried downloading the file, but the wav file is damaged/unplayable! Try to make it again, maybe in mp3 format. Jason Polland International Sports Sciences Association Multimedia and Web Design http://www.issaonline.com 1-800-892-ISSA (805) 884-8111 / Fax (805) 884-8119 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ullrich Peter Subject: AW: (kw) Demo version of Sex Object for download Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:22:49 +0100 >are you sure it is unplayable? > >I tried downloading it from here and unzipped it and played it and >it worked fine (I don't have any speakers here at work, but it seemed >to be playing fine). >P.S. You must unzip it first using Winzip or a similar program and then >Windows Media Player or something to play it (not a pure mp3-player) I had the same problem and noticed that it is no wave file. It has the SND-prefix in it. It is an AIFF-File. Converted it with Cooledit and now it works fine... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / ECCN Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: Re: AW: (kw) Demo version of Sex Object for download Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:33:21 +0100 OK....sorrrry. Change the file extension from '.wav' to '.au', and it should be working much better. I'll make a new upload to my web page as well with the '.au' extension. Mats http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk Ullrich Peter on 2000-01-12 11:22:49 kraftwerk@xmission.com cc: >are you sure it is unplayable? > >I tried downloading it from here and unzipped it and played it and >it worked fine (I don't have any speakers here at work, but it seemed >to be playing fine). >P.S. You must unzip it first using Winzip or a similar program and then >Windows Media Player or something to play it (not a pure mp3-player) I had the same problem and noticed that it is no wave file. It has the SND-prefix in it. It is an AIFF-File. Converted it with Cooledit and now it works fine... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / ECCN Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 no. 1 Date: 12 Jan 2000 14:27:57 +0100 'Expo 2000 radio edit' is number one this week on the program 'Plasticos y decibelios', of M80 Radio (from Spain), run by the musician and producer Julian Ruiz. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OGO Yoichiro Subject: Re: (kw) Toshiba Remix Date: 13 Jan 2000 00:10:56 +0900 From www.Towerrecords.co.jp, Japanese release of EXPO2000; ------ title:EXPO2000 price: 1,165yen release date: 2000/02/09 catalogue number: TOCP-40135 track: (1)EXPO2000(Radio Mix) (2)EXPO2000(KING KLANG MIX 2000) (3)EXPO2000(KING KLANG MIX 2002) (4)EXPO2000(KING KLANG MIX 2001) At 7:05 PM +0000 2000.1.10, Paul Martland wrote: > Has anyone managed to glean any further information about the Expo 2000 > 'remix'. Could it just be the Japanese release of the German single? According to the track listing, it is not 'remix'. OGO Yoichiro ----- mykhogo@venus.dti.ne.jp http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand/8640 icq:7690564=vanda Key fingerprint = 9924 3446 ABC3 9F66 361B 2615 00C7 D39E D9AE 37F7 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) CD Non-Stop Mix of DM & Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jan 2000 14:02:07 +0100 Found on Bong Mailing List: I was listening to this CD today in a store, and is it my impression or all DM covers showed up on "Trancemode Express 2.01" already ? I can't remember the name of the CD now, but I don't believe there are that many CDs with a Mega-Mix of DM And Kraftwerk anyway... Pedro What Cd Pedro refers to? Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 in Italy Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:27:57 +0100 E2K is "single of the week" in "Patchanka", a wonderful radio programme broadcasted by Popolare Network (the biggest truly independent radio network in Italy) Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) CD Non-Stop Mix of DM & Kraftwerk Date: 12 Jan 2000 09:58:04 -0700 Pedro Ramos wrote: >I can't remember the name of the CD now, but I don't believe there are >that many CDs with a Mega-Mix of DM And Kraftwerk anyway... Didi wrote: >What Cd Pedro refers to? I believe he refers to the following compilation: "Enter the mix - Depeche Mode Vs. Kraftwerk" Various artists; SPV DROP009 Germany Artists include: Filter Selection, Exis 01, Audio Science, Martin O and many more Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indstrlman@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW VS DM Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:48:46 EST "Enter the mix - Depeche Mode Vs. Kraftwerk" Various artists; SPV DROP009 Germany Artists include: Filter Selection, Exis 01, Audio Science, Martin O and many more Enrique --notice that most of these artists also appeared on the Transwerk Express Series From Cleoparta Schuyler # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) Cash Money Billionaires Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:07:21 -0500 Hello Has anyone noticed the extremely KW-esque beats that are on a lot of modern hip-hop these days? Especially the foul, downright no-talents on Cash-Money records? I know Kraftwerk influenced hip-hop, etc. No samples, just the "Cash-Money Billionaires" using these really Tour de France/Computerworld style percussive sounds. From what I know about C-M, most of this is done by their producer-musician Manny Fresh. I'd like to find out if this fellow has any connections with the band or Afrika Bambaataa perhaps? It's a realy shame that such powerful musical statements are being used by people like Lil' Wayne, Juvenile and The B.G. "Tha Block's on Fire!" --Nate ps: A friend of mine heard a sample of The Man-Machine on a Foxy Brown track! What is the world coming to? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 12 Jan 2000 16:13:20 +0000 Andre asked me to forward this (I have sent him details of how to subscribe). Kevin ---------- Dear Mr.Busby, this is a short note for your mailinglist! Kraftwerk are going to perform the EXPO2000 single on Top of the Pops Germany on january 15th, 2000, 05:45pm on RTL. Their performance will be recorded tomorrow at the MMC Studios in Cologne Germany. It's exclusiv and definitly the one and only TV performance they will do. There will be no audience to view the recording. I hope this is an interesting news for you! So please spread the news and don't miss it! If I can be of any further help please let me know! Could you put me on your mailing list? That would be very kind. Best regards Andre TOTP Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Romulus Giovanni" Subject: (kw) Mr. Roboto Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:03:17 GMT Hey Guys, I know this is a Kraftwerk list but you guys were the first that came to mind to ask this question. I'm sure you all know "Mr. Roboto" by STYX. The question - What does Kilroy mean? Zamir ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rochow@pixelmagic.com Subject: (kw) I need help un$ub$cribing. Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:31:32 -0500 I've tried the commands as described in the sig and the FAQ, I've written to some people that might be the ones to talk to (but don't know if the mails made it - email from here sometimes disappears without trace), with no response or effect. Could somebody that knows how please unsubscribe me? Thanks. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: Re: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:01:41 -0600 GenevaCan anyone give me the coordinates of a satellite that will be carrying this performance? If it will be bounced off a satellite, I'd like to get my hands on it so I can put it on my web page for all to download and view. Thanks. >Dear Mr.Busby, >this is a short note for your mailinglist! >Kraftwerk are going to perform the EXPO2000 single on Top of the Pops >Germany on january 15th, 2000, 05:45pm on RTL. >Their performance will be recorded tomorrow at the MMC Studios in Cologne >Germany. >It's exclusiv and definitly the one and only TV performance they will do. >There will be no audience to view the recording. >I hope this is an interesting news for you! >So please spread the news and don't miss it! >If I can be of any further help please let me know! >Could you put me on your mailing list? That would be very kind. > > >Best regards >Andre >TOTP Germany Monaco --- Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Evans Subject: Re: (kw) Mr. Roboto Date: 12 Jan 2000 23:35:14 -0500 (EST) Romulus Giovanni wrote: > > I know this is a Kraftwerk list but you guys were the first that came to > mind to ask this question. I'm sure you all know "Mr. Roboto" by STYX. The > question - What does Kilroy mean? > As far as I know here's the deal. "Mr. Roboto" came from an album called "Killroy Was Here", a concept album about some dismal future where Killroy is the last Rock Star or something like that and is persecuted for his resire to Rock. He has to hide himself and do some other crazy things. That's all I know since I haven't heard the album. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indstrlman@aol.com Subject: (kw) hIP-hOP-references Date: 13 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST --Nate ps: A friend of mine heard a sample of The Man-Machine on a Foxy Brown track! What is the world coming to? I guess that would be like Consolidated sampling Kraftwerk(though I don't think that they have) They know what sounds good and some(not all) know how to sample where it sounds good. I havn't heard any of the cash money stuff so, I really couldn't tell you on behalf of that. Indstrlman NP:Ashtray Head # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) Apologies Date: 13 Jan 2000 00:13:39 -0500 Hello Sorry if my observations came off as overly negative. I wasn't in a very good mood when I wrote that. What I was getting at was this: in my opinion, the way Cash-Money uses the KW influence is not very appealing in light of the lyrics, melodies, and other percussion that they use. While I don't care for CM, I didn't mean to come across as biased against rap music at all! I love a lot of rap, and while I don't like Cash-Money's stuff I do recognise their influence in the rap world, and yes they are entitled to their own interpretation of Kraftwerk, it's just not the way I would do it. I don't really care for Bowie or Reznor much at all either...but that's a different matter I apologize, I shouldn't have let some minor personal opinions get the better of me while I was typing. I hope you understand. I'm sorry if I came off as offensive to anyone. --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jens Bang Petersen (jbp)" Subject: RE: (kw) KW VS DM Date: 13 Jan 2000 09:44:28 +0100 "Enter the mix - Depeche Mode Vs. Kraftwerk" Various artists; SPV DROP009 Germany Artists include: Filter Selection, Exis 01, Audio Science, Martin O and many more Enrique --notice that most of these artists also appeared on the Transwerk Express Series From Cleoparta --and notice the first artist is called Filter Section - not Selection. (sorry, but he's a good friend of mine) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re(2): (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:02:49 +0100 (MET) Peter Liethen writes on Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:01:41 +0100 (MET): > > GenevaCan anyone give me the coordinates of > a satellite that will be carrying this performance? If it will be > bounced off a satellite, I'd like to get my hands on it so I can put > it > on my web page for all to download and view. > > Thanks. (...) RTL can be recived via Astra 1A-C, E: RTL Television Vollp 24h dt PAL 11.229V Stereo V/R Greets from austria, Georgie * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch-Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna, Austria) phone + SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 Limited Edition Date: 13 Jan 2000 07:55:14 EST Hello Werkers, A question: I was wondering if any of you have purchased the Limited Edition Expo 2000 CD. I don't mean the regular one that sells in many online stores, but the special one with the CD-ROM with the virtual tour of the Expo 2000 site and the multilanguage expo jingle which sells for DM100. It is quite expensive, and I was wondering if it is worth the money, since the best part (the 4 mixes of the Expo 2000 song) can be bought easily and cheaply. Thanks for any opinions! David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) New version of the Kraftwerk FAQ Date: 13 Jan 2000 15:13:07 +0000 Version 7 of the Kraftwerk Frequently Asked Questions list is now available at the usual URL ( http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ). See the "Changes" page to see what's new; a lot of questions (and answers!) have been added. This has taken a lot of work so I hope it all meets with your approval; let me know if not. Now pity poor Yoichiro, who will (I hope) translate the changes to Japanese! (Yoichiro, I will send you the "diff" files soon; I hope that's OK!). Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: Re: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 13 Jan 2000 09:30:04 +0100 KB> Kraftwerk are going to perform the EXPO2000 single on Top of the Pops KB> Germany on january 15th, 2000, 05:45pm on RTL. PL> Can anyone give me the coordinates of a satellite that will be carryi= ng this performance? PL> If it will be bounced off a satellite, I'd like to get my hands on it= so I can put it on my web page for all to download and view. KW are indeed listed on RTL teletext as one of the guests of saturday's T= OTP together with Enrique Iglesias, Boyzone and some other artists. RTL can be received in Europe from Astra (19=B02' if I remember well) wit= h a standard low-cost analogue satellite receiver. It should be carried by some digital "bouquets" as well. Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) Sound-a-like Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:00:43 GMT Hi fellows I just purchased the new Beck album, and I was astounded to hear some VERY Kraftwerk sounds on, particularly, track 4. The whole album is indeed extremely funky, and I highly recommend all who read this, get to hear it. He has a very good band, and a damn fine sense of rhythm! Thanks for listening/reading ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Mols" Subject: (kw) remix of Expo2000 Date: 13 Jan 2000 18:24:09 +0100 For those of you who like remixes, I've created a very simplistic and minimalistic expo2000 remix (has some autobahn, robots, pocket calculator and radioactivity in it and features a new into) available for download at http://www.geocities.com/lmols (it's 8 Mb, 160 kbps/ 44 kHz, 6:51 playing time) It is nothing much, merely a test of some new audio software I bought.... Enjoy ! Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Dangerously off-topic - Re: (kw) Mr. Roboto Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:16:27 -0800 > As far as I know here's the deal. "Mr. Roboto" came from an album called >"Killroy Was Here", a concept album about some dismal future where Killroy is >the last Rock Star or something like that and is persecuted for his resire to >Rock. He has to hide himself and do some other crazy things. > That's all I know since I haven't heard the album. That sounds a lot like the concepts behind "Joe's Garage" by Frank Zappa! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:20:12 +0100 Indeed, this is the only TV-performance Kraftwerk will do, so everybody watch "Top of the pops" on RTL this saturday ;-). There was a rumour some weeks ago that Kraftwerk would also play at the "Wetten, dass...?"-show on 29.01., but this is not true. Greets from austria, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Limited Edition Date: 14 Jan 2000 13:21:26 +0100 > A question: > I was wondering if any of you have purchased the Limited Edition Expo 2000 > CD. I don't mean the regular one that sells in many online stores, but the > special one with the CD-ROM with the virtual tour of the Expo 2000 site and > the multilanguage expo jingle which sells for DM100. It is quite expensive, > and I was wondering if it is worth the money, since the best part (the 4 > mixes of the Expo 2000 song) can be bought easily and cheaply. > Thanks for any opinions! > > David M All I can say is: you're right!! But some people seems to have too much money ... Best, Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan)" Subject: (kw) Online Project Date: 14 Jan 2000 07:40:19 -0500 Hi All Werkers: Update: Lyrics are complete thanks to all your submissions. Voice synthesis is going slowly due to difficult to work with software, a problem which will be rectified soon. sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Limited Edition Date: 14 Jan 2000 14:07:45 +0100 Yeah! I got it :-) (no 723/4000) Thanks Mamma ;-) She ordered it at Karstadt Sohlingen. I would say the high price is because of the expensive cover and the low amount of copys. The CD-ROM isn't more than a nice toy. The only interesting thing is the special version of KK-MIX 2002. Gubbolf Mischoulon@aol.com wrote: > A question: > I was wondering if any of you have purchased the Limited Edition Expo 2000 > CD. I don't mean the regular one that sells in many online stores, but the > special one with the CD-ROM with the virtual tour of the Expo 2000 site and > the multilanguage expo jingle which sells for DM100. It is quite expensive, > and I was wondering if it is worth the money, since the best part (the 4 > mixes of the Expo 2000 song) can be bought easily and cheaply. > Thanks for any opinions! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) EXPO2000 no 49 in Germany (source: "Media Control") Date: 14 Jan 2000 14:08:52 +0100 see subject Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Subject: (kw) ZKM Show Bootleg CDs Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:29:53 -0800 (PST) Can anyone tell me if the "Return of the Men-Machine" 2-CD set from the ZKM show in 1997 has better sound quality than the "ZKM" 2-CD set?Thanx. -Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) off topic Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:24:49 -0700 Do you love King Crimson? Me too. There's some exiting news from one of its members, Trey Gunn. The Trey Gunn Band will release "The Joy Of Molybdenum" (DGM0001 available mail-order from February 1, and in stores in March) an album of power grooves, stretches of beautiful landscapes, tightly composed pieces, earth shaking primal drumming overlayed with transparent textures and highly refined melodies. I found this through reading Trey's road diary. Here was one of his comments about his work... Have spent the good part of this week working on "The Joy of Molybdenum." I'm very pleased with what has come out of this! It has every bit of the character I was hoping for from the beginning: crazy percussion, weird melodies, strange chords, yet grooving like mad. It is a sort of "James Brown meets Space Boy in a cocktail bar in South Africa" feel to it. Damn! Enrique np: "The Third Star" Trey Gunn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) New KW Album in April called "Planet der Visionen"?! Date: 14 Jan 2000 18:54:42 +0100 Hi all A guy who works here in Switzerland for a record company (not EMI) told me that the new KW album will come out in April and be called "Planet der Visionen" (Planet of visions). I have no way to verify if this is true... so let's just wait and see! C u at Expo 2000! Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Buenos Aires" Subject: (kw) RV: KRAFTWERK ON TV !!!!!!!! Date: 14 Jan 2000 15:02:44 -0300 > Does anybody know if this program is transmitted by DW TV ????? > becuase i´`m in argentina and i receive its transmisions. > > > regards > john paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: (kw) KK-MIX 2002 Date: 15 Jan 2000 09:55:30 +1100 Hi, > The only interesting thing is the special version of KK-MIX 2002. I'd be very happy if somebody could post an mp3 of this somewhere so that we all can hear this different version! ;-) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: (kw) OT,mystery instrument Date: 14 Jan 2000 18:50:35 -0500 Thanks to all that helped me with my mystery instrument. Especially Jan Reetze,Jason Polland & Paul Martland. You folks are the best. It turns out that my weird instrument is called a bul bul.It is from india and is sometimes called an Indian banjo. It is like the first synthesizer ever made (kinda) without electricity. See I am trying to keep on topic :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Limited Expo2000 Boxsets Date: 15 Jan 2000 13:58:36 +0100 Quoted from Music Non Stop Sales: We have managed to get our hands on 2 copies of the rare and exclusive Kraftwerk Expo 2000 limited Edition box sets. These were only for sale in Germany and are limited to 4000 copies and we have got numbers 220 and 22= 1. This CD-set is a great collector item and comes in a carton cover which includes a folded transparentic plastic cover with infos in many language= s and of course the two CD=B4s CD 1 Tracks: Expo2000 Jingles in 6 different languages. And MultiMedia stuff for your PC: "Expo-Logomotion" and Terravision (a 3D-Flight over the grounds of Expo2000 in Hannover) CD 2 Tracks: 01 =3D Expo2000 Radio Mix (3:35 min.) 02 =3D Expo2000 Kling Klang Mix 2000 (6:48 min.) 03 =3D Expo2000 Kling Klang Mix 2002 (5:36 min.) Has a different bassline= as the Mix on the regular CD!!! 04 =3D Expo2000 Kling Klang Mix 2001 (6:50 min.) End of quote. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) New KW Album in April called "Planet der Visionen"?! Date: 15 Jan 2000 17:15:20 +0100 Roland Metzger wrote: > A guy who works here in Switzerland for a record company (not EMI) told > me that the new KW album will come out in April and be called "Planet > der Visionen" (Planet of visions). > I have no way to verify if this is true... so let's just wait and see! I think it's TRUE! The release date is the first day of the month you mentioned. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) "Expo 2000" clip/Terravision Date: 15 Jan 2000 16:34:39 +0100 Der Automat schrieb: (...) > and Terravision (a > 3D-Flight over the grounds of Expo2000 in Hannover) (...) Is this 3d-flight the same you can see in the "Expo 2000" videoclip? Greets from austria, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 14 Jan 2000 18:31:20 +0100 Have just watched the TV-performance of KRAFTWERK on RTL. Well, it lookes just a little bit silly. The new robots seems quite stiff when they're moving. But it's no wonder: the cloths must not entangle in the hinges ;-) Gubbolf Georg Jajus wrote: > Indeed, this is the only TV-performance Kraftwerk will do, so everybody watch > "Top of the pops" on RTL this saturday ;-). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) KW on RTL Date: 15 Jan 2000 18:42:20 +0100 Hi werkers, I've just seen the exibithion of KW on RTL (satellite is a great invention!), but I was disappointed when I saw the four robots on stage instead of the true boys. Perhaps I've been ingenuous, but I really thinked to see them LIVE on stage....... O.K., I'll wait 20 years again to see another TV performance from them....! Anyway, the four robots were: 1) Ralf Huetter; 2) A bald unidentified boy; 3) Florian Schneider with hair; 4) Florian Schneider without hair; That's all! Didi Milan - PDN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) New KW Album in April called "Planet der Visionen"?! Date: 15 Jan 2000 18:54:09 +0100 >Roland Metzger wrote: > >> A guy who works here in Switzerland for a record company (not EMI) told >> me that the new KW album will come out in April and be called "Planet >> der Visionen" (Planet of visions). >> I have no way to verify if this is true... so let's just wait and see! > >I think it's TRUE! The release date is the first day of the month you >mentioned. > >Rick Jansen Here in Milan the first day of April is a day of jokes..... Didi Milan - PDN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) KW on RTL Date: 15 Jan 2000 20:01:25 +0100 Rubbish! The robots were: Ralf Huetter, Henning Schmitz, Fritz Hilpert, Florian Schneider. What else? Gubbolf Didi wrote: > Anyway, the four robots were: > > 1) Ralf Huetter; > 2) A bald unidentified boy; > 3) Florian Schneider with hair; > 4) Florian Schneider without hair; # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Dub Model Date: 15 Jan 2000 20:13:16 +0100 Some weeks ago I was sitting in a cafe, where they played a tape with all kinds of dub and reggae as background music. Right in the middle of it there was a dub version of THE MODEL. Nobody in the cafe could tell me who it was. It sounded really good, reminded me to Lee 'Scratch' Perry or someone like him. Does anybody know who has done this version of THE MODEL and where's to find it? Thanx, Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 15 Jan 2000 20:13:16 +0100 Just seen "Top of the Pops" on RTL. It was the first time i watched it ... and truly the last. Oh Lord, what an idiotic show, with bands like Pur and a presenter who seems to have parked his Manta outdoor. 10 or 15 years ago it would have been unthinkable that Kraftwerk could do a performance in such a surrounding. The next step can be only the beer tent. The new Kraftwerk clothes trees are cute. They weared these wire-frame suits we know from stage and moved like absent-minded traffic policemen. ... I'm really sorry, but it seems to me that now all the steam is gone. I wished I could say something nicer. Yours depressed Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 15 Jan 2000 20:57:31 +0100 It could have been the version by The Members from their album Going West (1983). Ivo > > Some weeks ago I was sitting in a cafe, where they played a tape with all > kinds of dub and reggae as background music. Right in the middle of it there > was a dub version of THE MODEL. Nobody in the cafe could tell me who it was. > It sounded really good, reminded me to Lee 'Scratch' Perry or someone like > him. > > Does anybody know who has done this version of THE MODEL and where's to find > it? > > Thanx, > Jan > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elekktro@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: TV-appearance Kraftwerk in 'Top of the Pops' Date: 15 Jan 2000 15:38:09 EST E. Vastert wrote: << do you know what this TV-appearance of Kraftwerk is about? Is it a video-clip of Expo 2000? >> The four new dummies were moving to the video-clip of Expo 2000 (radio mix), which was shown in the backgroung on a big screen. It resembled a lot to "The Robots/Robotronic" in their live performances. The first TV-appearance for so many years - the moderator (Atze Schroeder!) was speaking of a "sensation" - had a ghostlike mood, because there was obviously no audience (not even the moderator) in the studio, whilst the other stars like "Enrique Iglesias", "Boyzone" or "The Artist" were supported by hundreds of (teeny-)fans! I think it was a main condition of Ralf and Florian to perform in a "sterile" studio ;-) Regards, Elekktro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elekktro@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: TV-appearance Kraftwerk in 'Top of the Pops' Date: 15 Jan 2000 15:51:21 EST E. Vastert wrote: << do you know what this TV-appearance of Kraftwerk is about? Is it a video-clip of Expo 2000? >> The four new dummies were moving to the video-clip of Expo 2000 (radio mix), which was shown in the backgroung on a big screen. It resembled a lot to "The Robots/Robotronic" in their live performances. The first TV-appearance for so many years - the moderator (Atze Schroeder!) was speaking of a "sensation" - had a ghostlike mood, because there was obviously no audience (not even the moderator) in the studio, whilst the other stars like "Enrique Iglesias", "Boyzone" or "The Artist" were supported by hundreds of (teeny-)fans! I think it was a main condition of Ralf and Florian to perform in a "sterile" studio ;-) Regards, Elekktro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: Re: (kw) KW on RTL Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:52:12 +0100 At 20.01 15/01/00 +0100, Wess wrote: >Rubbish! The robots were: >Ralf Huetter, Henning Schmitz, Fritz Hilpert, Florian Schneider. >What else? >Gubbolf Sorry, mr.Gunnar, but I've never seen the faces of Henning Schmitz and Fritz Hilpert. Could you ever excuse me? Didi Milan - PDN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2000 Limited Edition Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:57:23 +0000 > I would say the high price is because of the expensive cover and the low > amount of copys. I would say the high price is because it is a rip-off release. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Computerworld" Vinyl Re-release? Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:57:23 +0000 The Groove Mailorder newsletter announces a re-release of "Computerworld" on vinyl. Does anybody know more about this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Another new album rumour Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:57:23 +0000 The February issue of Keys reports that Kraftwerk have allegedly delivered a master tape with seven new tracks to EMI. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Kraftwerk & Beach Boys (was: Re: (kw) yesterday and Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:57:23 +0000 > Firstly, if there's proof out there somewhere that KW did intitally > enjoy the Beach Boys, I'm interested in hearing the quote(s). Interview with Florian Schneider, Rock & Folk 118, (11/1976), p. 56 (English translation available somewhere in the mailing list archives.): [...] Q: "Est-ce a cause meme de ce besoin d'etre en prise directe que vous avez choisi le monde la rock music et que vous citez comme vos modeles les Beach Boys?" A: "Qui, ils ont reussi a concentrer au maximum dans leur chansons des idees fondamentales. Dans cent ans, quand on voudra connaitre ce qu'etait la Californie dans les annees 60, il suffira d'ecouter un simple des Beach Boys." Q: "Donc, de la meme maniere, quand on voudra connaitre ce qu'etait l'Europe en 76, on ecoutera Kraftwerk?" A: "Qui, j'espere. Si on a vraiment bien mis au point notre systeme de communication." [...] Q: "Avez-vous vu les Beach Boys en scene?" A: "Qui, nous les avons vu dans un grand stade. C'etait fabuleux, comme une renaissance. Il y a une chanson extraordinaire, poignante dans le nouvel album, 'Once In My Life'. J'aimerais pouvoir oser dire une fois dans ma vie ce que Brian Wilson dit dans cette chanson." Q: "D'ou vient votre passion des Beach Boy?" A: "L'intelligence da la reflexion a propos de la realite americaine en disque. Quand nous sommes arrives en Californie, a Hollywood, on a pu dire: 'Oui, c'est vraiment comme ca, comme dans les chansons des Beach Boys'." [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) "Toshiba Mix" and album stuff Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:57:23 +0000 > As for the album, I've seen on the KW Czech Pages and on another page that > supposedly EMI had set a date for the new album this month. Any truth to > this ? No. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indstrlman@aol.com Subject: (kw) Esperanto-LTD?? Date: 15 Jan 2000 18:43:48 EST Greetings, Forgive me for I am not on a computer able to bowse the net looking in the KW archives for this info. I just found a copy of Elektric Music's Esperanto(Karl Bartos side project from Kraftwerk) and noticed that under the tracklisting on the back of the digipack there is a number that says 2132.. Just wondering if this was a limited edition release? and if so how many were made? Was this the only release from Elektric Music? Thanx Schuyler NP:Elektric Music-Lifestyle-man this song is too cool! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Evans Subject: Re: (kw) Esperanto-LTD?? Date: 15 Jan 2000 18:56:22 -0500 (EST) Indstrlman@aol.com wrote: > > Just wondering if this was a limited edition release? > and if so how many were made? I don't think that it was a limited edition. I at least have a copy in a standard jewelcase. > Was this the only release from Elektric Music? > There was at least one other but I don't recall the name right now. I think that it's mentioned in the FAQ. > NP:Elektric Music-Lifestyle-man this song is too cool! > Yeah--the cut up vocals are pretty neat. There's some pretty questionable stuff on that album, though. I never could get into "Information". -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer snippet on German TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 01:04:04 +0000 German SAT 1 shows the movie "Ein Tag ist schoener als der andere" (which is said to feature Wolfgang Fluer and his former band Spirits of Sound for a few seconds) today at 03:45 CET. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Indstrlman@aol.com Subject: (kw) Esparanto Date: 15 Jan 2000 19:33:06 EST > > Just wondering if this was a limited edition release? > and if so how many were made? I don't think that it was a limited edition. I at least have a copy in a standard jewelcase. I have a catalog number of SPV 084-92892 not sure if that is the same as yours though price was 21.99 man I hate paying high prices for imports!! Schuyler NP: Covenant-Tour De Force # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Evans Subject: Re: (kw) Esparanto Date: 15 Jan 2000 19:46:55 -0500 (EST) Indstrlman@aol.com wrote: > > I have a catalog number of SPV 084-92892 > I believe that mine is EMI/East WEst CD 92999 if I decode it properly. > not sure if that is the same as yours though > price was 21.99 man I hate paying high prices for imports!! > I paid about $9 Canadian at a used CD place. It's a normal domestic release; EMI's Ontario address is on the sleeve. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spacolley@aol.com Subject: (kw) Come%20and%20join%20the%20Kraftwerk%20IRC%20Channel! Date: 15 Jan 2000 23:54:00 EST You can vote for Kraftwerk to become inducted in Cleveland's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Go to www.freevote.com. Registration is free. Go to www.rockhall.com to see debates on inductees # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Esperanto-LTD?? Date: 16 Jan 2000 10:55:45 +0100 On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:43:48 EST, Indstrlman@aol.com wrote: > > > >Greetings, >Forgive me for I am not on a computer able to bowse the net looking in the KW >archives for this info. > > I just found a copy of Elektric Music's Esperanto(Karl Bartos side project >from Kraftwerk) and noticed that under the tracklisting on the back of the >digipack there is a number that says 2132.. > >Just wondering if this was a limited edition release? I think so, the Digipack was a ltd release. It's listed at www.bigbag.de but I really doubt they can still have it. Cheers, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Martland" Subject: (kw) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:39:14 -0000 Date: 16 Jan 2000 05:39:04 -0700 Klaus wrote '......Computerworld re-release on vinyl....' According to January's Mojo magazine US Capitol are due to re-release Man Machine, Radioactivity and Trans Europe Express on vinyl this month. No sign of Computerworld in this article Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the-police@t-online.de (Joerg Zimmermann) Subject: (kw) RTL Videotext & EXPO Ltd.Edition Date: 16 Jan 2000 13:31:10 +0100 Hello, I don't know whether someone noticed the incredible stupid RTL videotext yesterday. Regarding the KW Top Of The Pops performance they wrote, that this is the first time on German TV since 1971 (which is of course nonsense) and even more amusing they wrote that KW consists of Ralf, Florian, Karl Bartof (sic!) & Wolfgang Fluer. I don't know who's responsible for this but he seems to know quite a lot about the band.... ;-) Regarding the new robots: I thought this was quite amusing. There was this rumour that KW would perform on Wetten Dass - well I think, when there was really planned something like that, German TV station ZDF maybe didn't like the idea of presenting just four robots in the most successful European Prime Time show. I don't think that KW have ever planned to do something else than letting perform the robots. Just a thought... On another subject I just came back from a record fair, where someone sold (or should I say: he tried to sell) the EXPO ltd.edition for the bargain price of only 359.- DM (one should remember that it was sold at Karstadt for 100.- DM ). When I told him that this item is still available at Karstadt online, he told me that this is no longer the case - according to him the record has now sold out. I havn't checked out whether that's true but even if it's true: I already thought 100.- DM was kind of a rip-off.... Joerg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) CD Non-Stop Mix of DM & Kraftwerk Date: 16 Jan 2000 13:38:58 +0100 Didi wrote: >Found on Bong Mailing List: > >------------------------------------------------ >From: "Pedro Ramos" >To: "BONG!" >Subject: [bong] CD Non-Stop Mix of DM & Kraftwerk > >I was listening to this CD today in a store, and is it my impression or all >DM covers showed up on "Trancemode Express 2.01" already ? >I can't remember the name of the CD now, but I don't believe there are that >many CDs with a Mega-Mix of DM And Kraftwerk anyway... >Pedro >------------------------------------------------ > >What Cd Pedro refers to? I just only hear of "TranceMode Express 101", a compilation issued by Hypnotic. There's another Various Artists sampler CD entitled "Enter The Mix (Depeche Mode/Kraftwerk)" (release date: 21.06.1999) which it's described as "a tribute sampler for Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk, similar to the Trancemode Express samplers". DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Song Project Date: 16 Jan 2000 14:11:46 +0100 Sean and Karen (and sometimes Duncan) wrote: >Also, the word "Future" in both languages as well as maybe Russian, Spanish >and Chinese. Spanish word for "Future" is futuro. Have you think about to translate to Esperanto language? It's the same word than the Spanish one. >Finally, we need suggestions for a name for our project. Every groups >needs a name! What about 'Kettenreaktion', is the German word for Chain Reaction. And the mentioned word it can be seen in the Radioactivity 91 version videoclip. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) RTL Videotext & EXPO Ltd.Edition Date: 16 Jan 2000 14:09:55 +0100 Joerg Zimmermann wrote: > Regarding the new robots: I thought this was quite amusing. (...) > I don't think that KW have ever planned to do something > else than letting perform the robots. Just a thought... I think you're right. But it looked really quite poor. Lifting arms, let arms down, lifting arms, let arms down... very pretty :-( Hey Ralf und Florian, if you read this: Stellt die Burschen das naechste mal doch an ein paar Keyboards. Das macht doch bestimmt mehr her als das dusselige Herumstehen wie bestellt und nicht abgeholt ;-) Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: barnarda@talk21.com Subject: (kw) Expo2000 Double CD Date: 16 Jan 2000 13:14:15 GMT This is still available and can be purchased from Karstadt My World by e-mail at the recommended price. It is now available to customers outside Germany (inc. the UK) as they have now found a way of exporting it. e-mail to:- stefanie.reiger@karstadt.de giving details of credit card number, expiry date and card company; also give date of birth and obviously your address too. Allow a couple of weeks for delivery. David -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 16 Jan 2000 14:59:11 +0100 Some more info about the Members. The Members were formed in 1977 in Camberley (UK) by singer Nicky Tesco. They made 3 albums with a combination of punk and reggae. The albums are: At the Chelsea nightclub (Virgin, 1979), 1980-The choice is yours (Virgin, 1980) and Going west (Albion, 1983). I don't know whether they have been rereleased on cd. I have never seen one. Here in Belgium, I regularly see the lp's in second hand stores at very low prices. That's in fact where I bought all three. Ivo > > > It could have been the version by The Members from their album Going West > > (1983). > > > > Ivo > > Thank you, Ivo! I never heard of The Members, but I'll try to find it ... > Jan > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 15:45:42 +0100 Jan Reetze schrieb: > (...) > > 10 or 15 years ago it would have been unthinkable that Kraftwerk could do a > performance in such a surrounding. The next step can be only the beer tent. > Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in the "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical Kraftwerk-audience ;-). > > The new Kraftwerk clothes trees are cute. They weared these wire-frame suits > we know from stage and moved like absent-minded traffic policemen. ... I'm > really sorry, but it seems to me that now all the steam is gone. IMO it looked more silly then cool and this strange movement of the robots reminded me more of these kind of "Southpark"-animation ;-). Maybe Kraftwerk should cooperate with Sony or so, to build some serious/realistic looking robots... . Greets from austria, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leon Mols" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 19:33:06 +0100 Well, that was a disappointment... Like most Kraftwerk stuff lately... The video on the background looked more interesting than the "performance"... Hey, I like the robots on stage, during "The Robots/Die Roboter" but sending them from Dusseldorf to Cologne to do a TV appearance... Might have been more interesting to send a camera crew to Kling Klang..... Just my 0.02 .... Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) RTL Videotext & EXPO Ltd.Edition Date: 16 Jan 2000 19:35:38 +0100 When I told him that this item is still available at > Karstadt online, he told me that this is no longer the case - according to > him the record has now sold out. I havn't checked out whether that's true > but even if it's true: I already thought 100.- DM was kind of a rip-off.... > > > Joerg. Karstadt Hamburg is still well-stocked with 14 copies. At the end of december it was 15 ... seems to be really a bestseller. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk-freevote thread Date: 16 Jan 2000 01:46:22 -0500 Not to nit-pick, but it would be nice if you had a link to the Kraftwerk voting on freevote.com in your message.. thanks.. Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 11:54 PM > > You can vote for Kraftwerk to become inducted in Cleveland's Rock and Roll > Hall of Fame. Go to www.freevote.com. Registration is free. Go to > www.rockhall.com to see debates on inductees > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 19:35:37 +0100 > Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in the > "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical > Kraftwerk-audience ;-). Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. And, btw, at "Mensch Meier" also performed the video art pioneer Nam June Paik, so KW was in VERY good company. And I can remember that in 1978 the single DIE ROBOTER was noted in the german charts and KW was invited to perform at Dieter Thomas Hecks ZDF-HITPARADE. But they did not. - On the other hand, they performed THE MODEL at ZDF show "Na sowas" (without robots, but with Thomas Gottschalk). But that was in the late seventies, and in those days there were only two TV networks in germany. They offered three programs, so there was no big choice. Commercial TV in germany started first in 1984. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 21:38:41 +0100 Reetze@t-online.de writes: > > >> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 i= n >the >> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). > >Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >Jan =20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller Titel aber auch...). Die Roboter mit den dar=FCbergezogenen B=FChnen-Outfits (hat sich Ralf H=FC= tter=20 Wolfgang Fl=FCr=B4s Kritik zu Herzen genommen?) und den umgeschnallten Sonnenbrillen (oder sollen das Scheuklappen sein?) wirkten einigermassen=20 verstaubt und etwas l=E4cherlich. Und irgendwie scheinen die Kost=FCme auch zu eng gewesen sein, denn so unbeweglich wie bei diesem Auftritt hab ich die Dummies =FCberhaupt noch = nie "in Aktion" gesehen (wenn man die Synchronisationsprobleme beim Linz-Konzert ausser acht l=E4sst :-) ). Alles in allem ein befremdlicher Eindruck. Sorry Guys. =20 ---josef =20 =20 =20 > =20 > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 16 Jan 2000 15:57:16 -0500 On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:59:11 +0100 "Peeters Ivo" writes: > > Some more info about the Members. > > The Members were formed in 1977 in Camberley (UK) by singer Nicky > Tesco. > They made 3 albums with a combination of punk and reggae. > The albums are: At the Chelsea nightclub (Virgin, 1979), 1980-The > choice is > yours (Virgin, 1980) and Going west (Albion, 1983). > I don't know whether they have been rereleased on cd. I have never > seen > one. Here in Belgium, I regularly see the lp's in second hand stores > at very > low prices. That's in fact where I bought all three. > and a great band they were...anyone know what happened to them? tom w np: material - the third power ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) RTL Videotext & EXPO Ltd.Edition Date: 16 Jan 2000 22:04:36 +0100 Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de writes: =20 > >Joerg Zimmermann wrote: =20 > >> Regarding the new robots: I thought this was quite amusing. (...) NEW ROBOTS?? What NEW ROBOTS :-) =20 > >I think you're right. But it looked really quite poor. Lifting arms, let >arms down, lifting arms, let arms down... very pretty :-( Indeed! (Looked like "we want to move, but we can=B4t".=20 They didn=B4t charged our batterie, w=B4re not full of energie..."=20 BUT: Look- They gave us their Sunglasses!) =20 > >Hey Ralf und Florian, if you read this: =20 > >Stellt die Burschen das naechste mal doch an ein paar Keyboards. Das >macht doch bestimmt mehr her als das dusselige Herumstehen wie bestellt >und nicht abgeholt ;-) Hehe! This is it.=20 "Publikum noch stundenlang, wartete auf Bumerang."=20 =20 > >Gubbolf =20 ---josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) New KW Album in April called "Planet der Visionen"?! Date: 16 Jan 2000 23:14:41 +0100 Rick Jansen schrieb: > Roland Metzger wrote: > > > A guy who works here in Switzerland for a record company (not EMI) told > > me that the new KW album will come out in April and be called "Planet > > der Visionen" (Planet of visions). > > I have no way to verify if this is true... so let's just wait and see! > > I think it's TRUE! The release date is the first day of the month you mentioned. Maybe there will be an album in April, we'll see. However, it won't be called "Planet der Visionen". "Planet of visions" is an installation of the scenographer Fancois Schuiten and you can watch it at the EXPO 2000-area. Greets from austria, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 23:23:04 +0100 Josef Gabler schrieb: > (...) > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein originelle= r > Titel aber auch...). > Die Roboter mit den dar=FCbergezogenen B=FChnen-Outfits (hat sich Ralf = H=FCtter > Wolfgang Fl=FCr=B4s Kritik zu Herzen genommen?) und den umgeschnallten > Sonnenbrillen (oder sollen das Scheuklappen sein?) wirkten einigermasse= n > verstaubt und etwas l=E4cherlich. Wenigstens wissen wir jetzt, worin sie Ihr 400000.- DM EXPO-Honorar inves= tiert haben... > > Und irgendwie scheinen die Kost=FCme auch zu eng gewesen sein, denn so > unbeweglich wie bei diesem Auftritt hab ich die Dummies =FCberhaupt noc= h nie > "in Aktion" gesehen Schaufensterpuppen? > (wenn man die Synchronisationsprobleme beim > Linz-Konzert > ausser acht l=E4sst :-) ). :-)=3D) BTW, ich hab' mich ja gefragt ob das hysterische Teenie-Gekreische bei Ih= rem Auftritt Playback war oder echt...welche pickelige 15-j=E4hrige kann etwa= s mit einem Bandnamen "Kraftwerk" anfangen? Gr=FC=DFe, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer interview Date: 17 Jan 2000 00:44:18 +0000 Todays Hamburger Morgenpost features a brief interview with Wolfgang Fluer: http://www.mopo.de/seiten/20000117/hamburg-artikel2.html Relevant news: The lawsuit Huetter/Schneider vs. Fluer takes place at the Landgericht Hamburg. A court decision is expected for February. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: (kw) Help! Date: 16 Jan 2000 22:29:35 -0500 Wes, I don't know if you subscribe to this list or not. If you do, could you please email me with your address info for those Dolby and KW CDs? I wrote your address down and now I lost the paper. Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) FW: Kraftwerk on TV Date: 16 Jan 2000 21:24:25 -0200 Anybody recorded it and would like to put it on the web? More info about it? Live performance, clips, KW stage and so on... come on, guy. Thanks in advance peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld >>>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:31:20 +0100 Have just watched the TV-performance of KRAFTWERK on RTL. Well, it lookes just a little bit silly. The new robots seems quite stiff when they're moving. But it's no wonder: the cloths must not entangle in the hinges ;-) Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL Date: 17 Jan 2000 08:41:02 +0100 Jan Reetze wrote: 10 or 15 years ago it would have been unthinkable that Kraftwerk could do a performance in such a surrounding. Well, as I remember "The Model" was once "performed" in Top of the Pops. But I have to say I was extremly disappointed with their appearance in TOTP. Well - I hope in Hanover there will be something more than only four slowly moving puppets. It was funny once - in 1991 during The Mix Tour. Now it's just boring. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) E2K Ltd Ed & TV appearance Trade Date: 17 Jan 2000 10:56:25 +0100 Is anybody of you interested in swap any of my Kraftwerk spare copies (or, just in case, a (or two) cassette copy of a KW bootleg) for a CD-R burned of "E2K Ltd Ed" and a VHS videotape of the RTL TV appearance of Kraftwerk? Please mail me privately. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) ? Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:13:38 +0100 is it me or there's something wrong with the list... i haven't received anything for 2 days now what's up? tadream email: tadream@free.poltronic.net url: www.adamszymanek.cjb.net icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Senor Coconut on Kraftwerk Date: 17 Jan 2000 15:58:09 +0100 Quoted from http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ JANUARY 26th Senor Coconut [Atom Heart] - German Dance CD [a full album of Kraftwerk cover versions done in Latin style - salsa, merengue, rhumba, cha cha cha and more!] (Warner, Japan). DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) RTL Videotext & EXPO Ltd.Edition Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:29:09 +0100 Josef Gabler wrote: > NEW ROBOTS?? What NEW ROBOTS :-) Okay, let's say: the disguised old ones ;-) > (Looked like "we want to move, but we can´t". Looked rather like: "What are we doing here? Don't know. Do You? Either? O dear!" ;-) Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gunnar wagner Subject: (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview Date: 17 Jan 2000 16:52:51 +0100 At=A0 17.01.00=A0 00:44, you wrote: >Todays Hamburger Morgenpost features a brief interview with Wolfgang=20 >Fluer:=20 >http://www.mopo. de/seiten/20000117/hamburg-artikel2.html habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? gru=DF, -gunnar =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "vig" Subject: (kw) FS & FA: ENDS 1/31 LARGE KRAFTWERK/SYNTHPOP COLLECTION - New Years Speical Sale ENDS 1/31 Date: 17 Jan 2000 10:10:56 -0500 I am parting with a great deal of my personal collection after collecting for more than 15 years. Over 1000 titles are available at my website: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm Now, to celebrate the new Millennium, I'm holding my FIRST EVER SALE off my normal prices. THIS SPECIAL OFFER RUNS FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY ONLY! Order $1 - $20 take 10% off your total order Order $21 - $50 take 20% off your total order Order $51 - $100 take 25% off your total order Order over $100 take 35% off your total order Included in my sale are tons of rare items, many standard issues and a few things you probably never knew were released (unless you wrote the artists' discography). Artists include: ABC, A-ha, Marc Almond/Soft Cell, Alphaville, Belouis Some, Beloved, Book Of Love, Camouflage, Cause & Effect, Cetu Javu, Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Echo & The Bunnymen, Erasure/Vince Clarke, Eurythmics/Annie Lennox , Frazier Chorus, Hubert Kah, Information Society, Howard Jones, KLF/JAMMS, Kon Kan, Kraftwerk, Morrissey/Smiths, Sinead O’Connor, New Order/Electronic/Revenge, Normal/Silicon Teens, OMD, Pet Shop Boys, Psychedelic Furs/Love Spit Love, Red Box, Red Flag, Secession, When In Rome Yaz(oo)/Alison Moyet and many, many more. Many items are set sale but I will put some items up on eBay as well. New titles will be added to the auction bi-weekly with the first auctions starting later this week. The whole shebang , including ordering/shipping info, starts here: http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm The eBay items can be found at http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=vig@worldne t.att.net If this URL is chopped in your mail reader just copy the whole thing and paste it into your browser. Here's the Kraftwerk items Kraftwerk Pocket Caculator 12" US Promo w/ Dentaku Great CPS PROA-951 Ebay Kraftwerk Tour De France 12" US Remix + French vers PS 20146 Ebay Kraftwerk-Electric Music Crosstalk CD German 3 tracks Single Ltd. Ed. Of 5,000 Gatefold 110363 Ebay Kraftwerk-Electric Music TV CD German Single 2 versions PS SPV 055-92673 Ebay Thanks for looking. David http://home.att.net/~vig/recordh.htm xx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:41:13 +0100 After I drank some drams I watched it again on video and must say it doesn't look that bad. ;-) Gubbolf Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com wrote: > But I have to say I was extremly disappointed with their appearance in TOTP. > Well - I hope in Hanover there will be something more than only four slowly > moving puppets. It was funny once - in 1991 during The Mix Tour. Now it's just > boring. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:45:27 +0100 I am glad that someone else on this list remembers them. I have no idea what happened to them. Ivo np: Yellow Magic Orchestra - After service > > > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:59:11 +0100 "Peeters Ivo" > writes: > > > > Some more info about the Members. > > > > The Members were formed in 1977 in Camberley (UK) by singer Nicky > > Tesco. > > They made 3 albums with a combination of punk and reggae. > > The albums are: At the Chelsea nightclub (Virgin, 1979), 1980-The > > choice is > > yours (Virgin, 1980) and Going west (Albion, 1983). > > I don't know whether they have been rereleased on cd. I have never > > seen > > one. Here in Belgium, I regularly see the lp's in second hand stores > > at very > > low prices. That's in fact where I bought all three. > > > > and a great band they were...anyone know what happened to them? > > tom w > > np: material - the third power > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Date: 17 Jan 2000 10:48:37 -0800 >>> A guy who works here in Switzerland for a record company (not EMI) told >>> me that the new KW album will come out in April and be called "Planet >>> der Visionen" (Planet of visions).>> >>I think it's TRUE! The release date is the first day of the month you >>mentioned. > >Here in Milan the first day of April is a day of jokes..... > >Didi >Milan - PDN Yeah! It's the same here in the USA... April 1'st is "April Fool's Day". People play pranks on each other, mainly based around getting someone to believe something that isn't true. For example: First Person: Hey, after fourteen years, there's a new Kraftwerk album out today! Second Person: Wow! Really? First Person: Ha! Just kidding! April Fool's! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the-police@t-online.de (Joerg Zimmermann) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview Date: 17 Jan 2000 19:49:35 +0100 Hi, At 16:52 17.01.00 +0100, you wrote: >habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr >noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 >oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? I have ordered a copy two or three weeks ago for a friend via http:\\www.amazon.de=20 The book seemed to be in stock cause it arrived 3 days later. Joerg. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: darren@bway.net (darren) Subject: (kw) voice of energy Date: 17 Jan 2000 20:45:19 -0400 hello Anyone out there know of an on-line resource for the german physicist (Eppler-Meyer?) who influenced Kraftwerk? I am looking for info about his speech poems, like "the voice of energy" from Radioactivity. Thanks in advance. darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) voice of energy Date: 18 Jan 2000 00:49:08 -0500 > Anyone out there know of an on-line resource for the german physicist > (Eppler-Meyer?) who influenced Kraftwerk? > I am looking for info about his speech poems, like "the voice of energy" > from Radioactivity. > Thanks in advance. > darren I'm sad to say I couldn't find much about this very interesting subject. There's a brief summary of the Cologne Studio ("Birth Place of Elektronische Musik" here: http://csunix1.lvc.edu/%7Efry/snyder/em/cologne.html It would appear that this kind of thing requires good old-fashioned library research. Imagine if someone found tape of the original Voice of Energy! I doubt any such tape still exists, but istening to an MP3 of that would send chills up my spine. This is truly the place where science and music and art collide. That was always a stand-out track on Radio-Activity to me. It instantly evokes imagines of strange late-night programming from the golden age of radio. How exciting this technology must have seemed to both Meyer-Eppler and the little Huetters and Schneiders gathered around the old radio as they listen to the "genius of energy" for the very first time! It is truly a foreign idea to me, a child of the 90s, who has never been truly inspired by any piece of technology that doesn't have an Apple logo on it. Radio, like all media it seems, has passed from the hands of the dreamers and trailblazers into the hands of big money. I like a lot of music and I like a lot of gadgets, but only by listening to Kraftwerk does the simultaneous humanity and inhumanity of technology strike me with enough force to cause my spine to shiver like those dreamers of the 50s. -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) E2K in dutch chart Date: 18 Jan 2000 07:59:02 +0100 Outlaw 41 17 januari 2000: -------------------------- 0 0 15 Smashing Pumpkins - Everlasting Gaze 1 6 11 Lit - Miserable 2 9 13 Leftfield - Dusted 3 4 9 Underworld - Bruce Lee 4 11 16 Kid Rock - Only God Knows Why 5 -- -- Junkie XL - Love like razorblade 6 21 23 Perey Farrell - Rev 7 -- -- Bush - Letting the cables sleep 8 18 28 Kraftwerk - Expo 2000 -- A Windows user spends 1/3 of his life sleeping, 1/3 working, 1/3 waiting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:12:06 +0100 Hej ! I have done a new web page (added to my old ones) with some mp3s which I intend to change once a month. They are quite large (but nice quality), so I wouldn't recommend modem connection.....recorded in 128 kBit/s <> Tour de France [ 12" Kevorkian remix ] 6,3 Mb Ruckzuck [ from album 'Kraftwerk' 1970 ] 7,4 Mb If you have any comments, or suggestions of what to upload e-mail me privately, thanx. BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? Mats The direct link is: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Scene/7183/ The home page link is: http://hem.fyristorg.com/kraftwerk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tadream" Subject: (kw) 12' telephone call Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:33:36 +0100 does the 12' version of telephone call exist anywhere on the net? tadream email: tadream@free.poltronic.net url: www.adamszymanek.cjb.net icq: 35224126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk again on air Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:56:20 +0100 > Von: Georg Jajus > Datum: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:31:39 +0100 > > Jan Reetze schrieb: > >> radio listeners in europe: >> as stated by DLF radio, a short report on the kraftwerk lawsuit shall be >> broadcasted on monday, 3. january 2000, at 15.05 MEZ (or 14.05 GMT/UTC) in >> the magazine "corso". > > Well, there was nothing about it today. The report was broadcasted already on December 20, 1999. It was a two-minute-talk with free-lanced journalist Maximilian Schoenherr who had to say, that there is a lawsuit between KW and ex-KW-member Wolfgang Fluer ......... and so on. The announcement in ARD-Videotext has been repeated by mistake. I apologize to all list members who waited in vain. > Does BTW anybody know if the thing from 27.12. will be repeated someday? > I missed it :-/. Very improbable. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:56:20 +0100 > Well, as I remember "The Model" was once "performed" in Top of the Pops. > Certainly not on RTL. That must have been on BBC. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:56:20 +0100 > Well, as I remember "The Model" was once "performed" in Top of the Pops. > Certainly not on RTL. That must have been on BBC. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Periodical ramblings Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:25:47 +0100 Fanger & Kerste "Interkosmos" (Manikin). They have been compared with the Kraftwerk's sound of the 70's. Fortunato & Montresor have been included in the sampler CD "Vibe-Mood Electric" issued by Elektrolux. There is a band named Grindwerk. Si Begg has published an album called "Commuter World" (Caipirinha). Sven Vaeth has made an intention of homage to KRAFTWERK in his album "Contact" (1999). DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) RE: hIP-hOP-references Date: 17 Jan 2000 18:37:15 +0100 Schuyler Indstrlman@aol.com wrote: >I guess that would be like Consolidated sampling Kraftwerk(though I don't >think that they have) >Not too sure..I really don't have much in the fact of hip-hop music. >Consolidated is and Industrial/Weird/Hip-Hop type project--not bad...kinda >fuuny but tolerable! >As for the Question. I don't actually knnow...Maybe someone else on the >list might now. >Sorry I couldn't help you more. Is anyone of you able to please tell me more details about this track(s), i.e. title of the song, number catalogue, label that released the disc, etc. Thank you very much in advance. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Compilations Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:35:22 +0100 Found at http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=505189010/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/pop search.html KRAFTWERK COMPILATIONS VA-Electronic 80'S Vol. 1-Electronic 80'S CD ---- VA-Electropop Essentials Electropop Essentials CD --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- VA-Electro Funk Essentials Electro Funk Essentials CD ---- VA-Perfect Beats Vol. 1-Perfect Beats CD/Tape/Vinyl ---- VA-Essential 12 Inches Seventies CD --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Space Daze 2000 Space Daze 2000 CD --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Is Kraftwerk included in all of these compilations? DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:06:42 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. For example, I haven't been able to get good results converting Kraftwelt's "1187" to MP3. The hihat-type percussion sounds get mangled. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk TV performances Date: 18 Jan 2000 20:40:31 +0100 I just had a look at the video of the KW performance at "Mensch Meier", a TV-show from 1991. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage, moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Presenter Alfred Biolek (who was also producer) NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least the living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stage effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummies is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Compilations Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:50:06 -0800 > Space Daze 2000 >Space Daze 2000 CD >Is Kraftwerk included in all of these compilations? I know they're on the Spaze Daze 2000 disc. It's just the regular Man-Machine version of "Metropolis"... Or maybe "Spacelab"... Either way, it's a Cleopatra comp. And Cleopatra reissued some KW albums on CD a few years back. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:06:42 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. For example, I haven't been able to get good results converting Kraftwelt's "1187" to MP3. The hihat-type percussion sounds get mangled. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV performances Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:17:05 -0800 Jan Reetze wrote: > In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stage > effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove > ineffective. > KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. I find it odd that Kraftwerk would stick with such a boring type of dummy even today, when Herbie Hancock's video for "Rock-it" proved the potential of robotic performance so dramatically back in the early 80's. I suppose Kraftwerk's point is that, for their type of performance, a live presence is no better than seeing the dummies. That for all we know, they pop the CD in and read a book the whole time. But, of course, even Kraftwerk doesn't actually seem to do that... the performance does differ from their recordings somewhat. And the audience is there to be entertained, after all... So why not have some more interesting and entertaining robotics that do a lively dance controlled by the actual MIDI commands that run the music. I remember being at their concert I was really curious as to what was going on on the other side of the console: the robots could be a great way to illustrate every button press, knob twist, and pedal push that our heroes execute on the stage. Implemented correctly, the robots could be sort of like the dancers that accompany more mainstream pop acts: adding energy to the performance and giving the audience something to watch. Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) off topic Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:34:04 -0700 Jarre fans, I just received this from the Jarre.com Webteam: Dear Jarre.com fan, We have added two tracks from the new "Metamorphoses" album to the PREVIEW audio player on http://www.Jarre.com. Enjoy "Hey Gagarin" and "Rendezvous A Paris". Enrique np: Thomas Dolby "Retrospectacle" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Compilations Date: 18 Jan 2000 14:05:33 -0700 DER AUTOMAT wrote: >Is Kraftwerk included in all of these compilations? Yes... >Vol. 1-Electronic 80'S CD Trans Europe-Express (in Vol 2: The Model) >Electropop Essentials CD Showroom Dummies >Electro Funk Essentials CD Trans Europe-Express >Vol. 1-Perfect Beats CD/Tape/Vinyl Trans Europe-Express plus a Medley of: Numbers & Computer World > VA-Essential 12 Inches. Seventies CD Trans Europe-Express >Space Daze 2000 CD Antenna Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Talley" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:37:02 -0800 What in the hell are you doing compressing Kraftwelt? That's too sonically challenging to encode for the horrible way we currently butcher music. Even when I encode at 320kB/s and it's still shitty - you are dead on. Highs are muted horribly and if your music is using any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still rudementary as well. Both DVD and MP3 are based on eliminating "extranious" data such as, oh the color black or any signal considered outside of human hearing. Arguments? -Bill Soleil Lapierre wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. > > I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. > If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough > for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. > > For example, I haven't been able to get good results converting > Kraftwelt's "1187" to MP3. The hihat-type percussion sounds get mangled. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 16:10:19 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, William Talley wrote: > any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just > die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact > that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still > rudementary as well. Well, there is the fundamental difference that DVD is a product of evil and MP3 isn't. Personally I love MP3 because it lets me preview a lot of music that I wouldn't otherwise get to listen to. A lot of my music shopping list now comes from MP3s that I've downloaded. Anyway, I think maybe we're wandering a little bit off topic here. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV Date: 19 Jan 2000 03:20:51 +0100 Georgie@blackbox.net writes: > >Josef Gabler schrieb: =20 > >Wenigstens wissen wir jetzt, worin sie Ihr 400000.- DM EXPO-Honorar >investiert >haben... An dieser widerlichen, spiessb=FCrgerlichen und kleinkr=E4merischen Disku= ssion " 100 000 DM f=FCr 1 Sekunde Musik " m=F6chte ich mich wirklich nicht beteiligen. Das ist was f=FCr "Kunst kommt von k=F6nnen"-Leute. > =20 > >BTW, ich hab' mich ja gefragt ob das hysterische Teenie-Gekreische bei >Ihrem >Auftritt Playback war oder echt... Das war schon echt, allerdings einfach drangeschnitten und nicht in urs=E4chlichem Zusammenhang. =20 > >Gr=FC=DFe, >Georgie ---josef > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview Date: 19 Jan 2000 03:27:29 +0100 the-police@t-online.de writes: > >Hi, > >At 16:52 17.01.00 +0100, you wrote: >>habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr >>noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 >>oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? =20 > Nicht wirklich. Versuch es einfach in den verschiedensten Buchl=E4den. In Wien ist es derzeit noch problemlos zu haben. Es wird allerdings auch schon auf ebay.de zu Phantasie- preisen angeboten. =20 ---josef > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Flattest Erik, The" Subject: (kw) exceller 8 Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:38:52 +0100 hi! i recently bought 'exceller 8' untill then i did not know that it excisted. can someone give me an indication of its value?? i know it's not a bootleg, but what's it worth ?? flattest erik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) e2k on RTL Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:59:25 GMT I saw the E2K performance on RTL+ (we get it in Holland too). I only caught the last minute, but it was such a shock!!! It was very fancy, the robots with the neon suits and goggles, moving like cripples (ie barely). In the distant background you could see the real KW (in their neon suits) performing the music. The sound quality was actually a bit poor... my mother-in-law thought I was full of shit for going from Veenendaal (NL) to Emmerich (D) only to get this single. But then she would. Matt Sellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield 2 will release the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every 4.5 years. One of these radioactive substances, Krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. (Kraftwerk 1991, c 1991 Klingklang) sod that, visit me at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 !!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:56:20 +0100 >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: Re: (kw) voice of energy Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:50:31 PST > Anyone out there know of an on-line resource for the german physicist > (Eppler-Meyer?) who influenced Kraftwerk? > I am looking for info about his speech poems, like "the voice of energ= y" > from Radioactivity. > Thanks in advance. > darren You can find some ifo about Eppler-Meyer at: http://www.ikp.uni-bonn.de/en/gesch/index.html and some more at: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/melochord/ where you can download an audiofile of "Klangstudie 1" /Andr=E9as ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV Date: 18 Jan 2000 18:01:05 +0100 >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:02:43 +0100 >>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 in >> the >>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>=20 >> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They were >> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >> Jan >=20 >>=20 > Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese > eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein origineller > Titel aber auch...). > ---josef Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty stage= , moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, hacking meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appear on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any playbacks in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance would be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least th= e living units of KW would be on stage too. In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever stag= e effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies prove ineffective. Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or early seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the "Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time. Seeing the KW robot dummie= s is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a museum with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:51:52 -0500 MP3 may be a "lossy" compression format, but for my money its damned close to CD quality, especially in the realm of using it for portable player purposes. a quantum leap in quality compared to cassette. ditched my walkman for a diamond rio back in the summer with no regrets!! whoever did the mp3 ing for the EXPO 2000 tracks did a decent job too. was good enough for me until i get the CD single that I burned them to CD... and for internet use, very nice.. its better than real audio (to my ears) Yes, mp3 compression does kinda whack the high end, or at least you will hear artifacting in material with LOTS of high end but it can be very interesting... i had mp3'ed one of my own songs with a bit of high end and when i listen to it, there is this very pleasant "twinkling" kind of sound on the synth pad parts that i use. Almost as if the synth was morphing on the decay or something similar.. very cool... And my equipment is bargain basement too... Mpeg 4 (microsoft's media player ASF) is supposed to be good too and from a couple of songs i've heard in it it is quite impressive but i think you're still dealing with the perceptual coding stuff too.. any info on that would be most appreciated :-) Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 1:06 PM > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. > > I find I can often hear distortion at 128kB/s, but most music sounds good. > If the music has lots of high frequencies, even 256kB/s isn't good enough > for me, and my audio equipment isn't anything special. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 18 Jan 2000 23:08:23 -0500 SHN is the way to go for audio compression, it's nearly lossless, as you just compress the .WAV files. They are unplayable until you "un-shorten" them, much like zip archives are really useless until you extract them. The downside to SHN, bigger file sizes. > Mpeg 4 (microsoft's media player ASF) is supposed to be good too > and from a couple of songs i've heard in it it is quite impressive I totally agree with you on that, Real audio is crap. >its better than real audio (to my ears) -Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Lautsprecher crash Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:01:53 +0100 Hi WERKERS: Yesterday, driving home from work on the autobahn! they played EXPO 2000 on=20= the Swedish radio, I turned the volume up, and after about one minute - POFF=20= - That was the last sigh from my right speaker=2E Now it sounds exactly like NEWS from Radioactivity when people talk=2E THIS IS A TRUE STORY! / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Mild Seven International Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:28:29 +0100 Found at http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/scan/MM=58ad613c11de52f8fd953d9321d ca34b:32:41:16:?ahoBgND8;;52 Mild Seven International (Similar to Kraftwerk) Mild Seven International ...... PULSESONIQ9328.2 USA What band is this? Is really similar to KW? TIA. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Niklas Karlsson Subject: (kw) Re: Wolfgang Fluer interview Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:17:53 +0100 (CET) Probier mal mit http://www.amazon.de/ ich habe es davon gekriegt. Niklas >=20 > the-police@t-online.de writes: > > > >Hi, > > > >At 16:52 17.01.00 +0100, you wrote: > >>habe ich den eine chance das buch von Wolfgang Fl=FCr > >>noch irgendwo zu kaufen ?=20 > >>oder ist es zur zeit unm=F6glich das buch zu kaufen ? > =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Serjeant" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 19 Jan 2000 15:16:46 GMT Tom W asked: anyone know what happened to The Members? I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) I think The Members are best known for their punk anthem of teenage boredom: "The Sound Of The Suburbs" Noticed HMV London Oxford Street was well stocked with vinyl editions of "Man Machine", "Radio-Activity" & "Trans-Europe Express", at the weekend. Someone posted a message the other day saying they were due out soon. Cheers! Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:43:22 -0500 Hello > I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad > Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece > "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him loving to drive and all. There's my info for the day # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 19 Jan 2000 10:53:11 -0800 >Hello > >> I've no idea, except that Nicky Tesco makes an appearance as the Leningrad >> Cowboy's long lost cousin in Aki Kaurismaki's understated masterpiece >> "Leningrad Cowboys Go America". (Late 80's) > >Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in >Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol >cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. >Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him >loving to drive and all. I really like the Leningrad Cowboys, but their albums are near impossible to find in the US. I love their movie "Leningrad Cowboys Go America," and I wish that someone would see fit to release their sequel, "Leningrad Cowboys Meet Moses", here so I could see it! So what are the Cowboys up to these days? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk feature in THE FACE magazine UK Date: 19 Jan 2000 20:17:24 +0000 There's a short two page feature on Kraftwerk in this months FACE magazine in the UK. Notably, it features a two page spread of photos of the Robots in outfits wearing sunglasses as on show at the Hannover museum. Ralf's seems to have a smile... -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 19 Jan 2000 22:09:00 +0100 To get the best convertion to mp3 - always use the Fraunhofer method, anything else sucks! (I have tried them all at all frequencies, and the Fraunhofer method creates less normalizing, less scramble and keeps the sensitive musical material intact) The Fraunhofer algorithm is found in the program: "MPEG Layer-3 Producer" containing these files: l3prod.exe l3codecp.exe l3prod.cnt l3prod.hlp Readme.txt DeIsL1.isu Crash > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 mats.kadmark@liber.se wrote: > > > BTW is 128 kBit/s 44,1 kHz much different from CD quality? > > If you're converting CD quality to MP3, you'll never get CD quality back > out because MP3 is a lossy compression format. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" Subject: (kw) mp3 and so on... Date: 19 Jan 2000 22:39:24 +0100 To make really good mp3's use this: http://www.geocities.com/skinnyhastrup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nsw" Subject: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:18:11 -0500 Hello "Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. Pretty neat. Maybe Ralf should start a luxury taxi service with Mercedes S500's, him loving to drive and all." Whoops! I meant Finland --Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk as "beste deutsche Szene-Band" awarded Date: 20 Jan 2000 00:10:08 +0100 From today's ORF-Telextext (austria) page 107: *** Kraftwerk beste deutsche Szene-Band Kraftwerk ist als "beste deutsche Szene-Band aller Zeiten" ausgezeichnet worden. Die deutsche Gruppe setzte sich bei der Vergabe des ersten German Dance Award in Hamburg in der Kategorie "Alltime Hero" gegen Giorgio Moroder, Underground Resistance und Westbam durch. Au=DFerdem erhielten Da Hool, Warmdusche, Paul van Dyk, Carl Cox, Phats & Small und Paul Johnson Auszeichnungen. *** Greets from austria, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephanie and Scott Richards Subject: (kw) Interkosmos Date: 19 Jan 2000 19:17:55 -0800 Could the list member who mentioned the following artist please contact me privately with any information on how to order their cds: Fanger & Kerste "Interkosmos" (Manikin) If anyone else knows anything about them please send along info. Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:31:28 -0800 >"Did you know that an ex-member of the Leningrad Cowboys founded WAPit in >Sweden, a company that has services for Wireless Application Protocol >cellular phones such as those made by Nokia, Ericsson, etc. > >Whoops! I meant Finland Yes, that makes sense, considering the Leningrad Cowboys are Finnish, and also Nokia, the world's largest cell phone manufacturer, is located in Finland. Hey! Something just occured to me. Everybody's heard those little digital tunes that cellphones play. Wouldn't it be great if they played Kraftwerk songs? It would be so perfect! Imagine your cellphone ringing with a quick digital version of "Pocket Calculator" or "The Model". Kraftwerk has always talked about being musical workers, manufacturing music for the world. They should strike up a deal with Nokia! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:34:29 -0800 > > any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just > > die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact > > that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still > > rudementary as well. > > Well, there is the fundamental difference that DVD is a product of evil > and MP3 isn't. Your personal opinion is invalid. The fact that the media is compressed and becomes significantly different from the original form makes it inferior. > Personally I love MP3 because it lets me preview a lot of music that I > wouldn't otherwise get to listen to. A lot of my music shopping list now > comes from MP3s that I've downloaded. > Anyway, I think maybe we're wandering a little bit off topic here. Again, your opinion is that MP3 compression has nothing to do with our interest in Kraftwerk. How so? You admit that MP3 is your preferred meathod of downloading music, and we are all here for our love of music - and the particulars of these two concepts intermingle. And you have NO MP3's of Kraftwerk? Yeah, right. My personal opinion is that I HATE when people attempt to shut off dialogue because they have nothing to share with the rest of the group. -Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) German Dance Award Date: 20 Jan 2000 02:45:05 +0100 Die deutsche Band Kraftwerk ist beim ersten "German Dance Award" in Hamburg als beste deutsche Szene-Band aller Zeiten ausgezeichnet worden. Die Elektronik-Rocker setzten sich gegen Giorgio Moroder, Underground-Resistance und Westbam durch. (...) quoted from HH1-Text (Teletext of Hamburg1-TV) 20.01.00, p. 119. see also www.hamburg1.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 19 Jan 2000 21:16:38 -0500 I think MP3s are not only excellent for previewing music, but also for introducing music to far-away friends. I transfer MP3s to my friends if I think the music is cool- I've introduced many to Kraftwerk this way. It's much more convienent and cheaper than sending the CD to them or having them buy it. And I doubt my friends would want to wait for a .wav or AIFF file to download. Better to have an MP3 of Kraftwerk than have no Kraftwerk at all, which is what my friends would have if it weren't for the format. -ericg- > Again, your opinion is that MP3 compression has nothing to do with our > interest in Kraftwerk. How so? You admit that MP3 is your preferred > meathod of downloading music, and we are all here for our love of music > - and the particulars of these two concepts intermingle. > > And you have NO MP3's of Kraftwerk? Yeah, right. > > My personal opinion is that I HATE when people attempt to shut off > dialogue because they have nothing to share with the rest of the group. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) off topic Date: 19 Jan 2000 10:06:18 -0700 "Devo Whips Up 2-CD Anthology" Rhino will release the 2-CD Devo anthology, "Pioneers Who Got Scalped," on April 25. The collection features hits, unreleased tracks, and soundtrack contributions from the pioneering new-wave band, which came to fame in the late '70s but has remained relatively inactive in recent years. [..] As expected, the band's trademark covers of the Rolling Stones' "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction," Jimi Hendrix's "Are You Experienced," and Nine Inch Nails' "Head Like A Hole" are included on the album. Enrique np: Leftfield "Rhythm and Stealth" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s Date: 19 Jan 2000 20:22:34 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, William Talley wrote: > Your personal opinion is invalid. The fact that the media is compressed > and becomes significantly different from the original form makes it > inferior. Although I agree, it can be argued that that your assertion is a matter of personal opinion as well. To a non-audiophile who doesn't understand the nature of wavelet compression, or to someone with poor audio equipment, MP3 would seem just as good as anything else. > Again, your opinion is that MP3 compression has nothing to do with our > interest in Kraftwerk. Right. It has a lot to do with my interest in music in general, but pretty much nothing to do with my interest in Kraftwerk other than that Kraftwerk produces music. > And you have NO MP3's of Kraftwerk? Yeah, right. Very little, actually. Only the rare stuff that I can't get on physical media. I have no real use for MP3s of my music collection until I have a portable MP3 CD player. > My personal opinion is that I HATE when people attempt to shut off > dialogue because they have nothing to share with the rest of the group. The FAQ reads pretty clearly to me. Neither of us is qualified to dictate what is on or off topic. We must each be responsible for policing ourselves if we don't want to get slapped by the list owner. I was involved in a conversation about the nature of MP3 compression. There was nothing directly related to Kraftwerk, so I terminated my side of the conversation as quickly as I could. Nowhere did I order you to stop; that's Lazlo's job. Also, anyone who wanted to continue this discussion with me could always e-mail off the list. -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: (kw) Great robo voice program Date: 20 Jan 2000 03:02:25 +0100 Hey, I see people here asking about programs that generate speech and sound = like KW vocoders. Well, I have been looking for a good proggie for a = long time and dont know if you all know about SayIt, but its a great = free software that sounds almost exactly like Speak & Spell or old KW = records. If anyone indicates they want it, let me know and I'll upload = it somewere. all the best, Glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Little Bugg Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in The Face Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:19:39 +0000 The Feb 2000 issue of the UK style mag "The Face" has a 2-page colour spread on the KW robots museum exhibit (the main picture is actually Henning & Fritz). There's a bit of blurb but nothing really exciting - KW apparently visited the museum "anonymously" to check it out. STAGGBOY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: EXPO Jingle (was: Re(2): (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV) Date: 20 Jan 2000 06:53:10 +0000 > An dieser widerlichen, spiessb=FCrgerlichen und kleinkr=E4merischen > Diskussion " 100 000 DM f=FCr 1 Sekunde Musik " m=F6chte ich mich wirkli= ch nicht > beteiligen. Er, you just did... > Das ist was f=FCr "Kunst kommt von k=F6nnen"-Leute. It's rather something for people who are concerned about the (mis-)use of their tax money. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother concert preview Date: 20 Jan 2000 06:53:10 +0000 Todays Mittelbadische Presse has a preview (German language) of the Michael Rother / Dieter Moebius concert in Offenburg next Monday: http://www.baden-online.de/pubserv/dc++/appl/netpub/layparse.php3?mla y_id=68&mdoc_id=6914&RUBRIK_RED=Ortenau+Offenburg Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) voice of energy Date: 20 Jan 2000 06:53:10 +0000 > Imagine if someone found tape of the original Voice of Energy! I > doubt any such tape still exists, It does exist, and it is available on CD (supplement to the following book): Elena Ungeheuer: Wie die elektronische Musik "erfunden"wurde... Quellenstudie zu Werner Meyer-Epplers Entwurf zwischen 1949 und 1953 (Koelner Schriften zur Neuen Musik). 254 p., 1 CD. ISBN: 3-7957-1891-0 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mats.kadmark@liber.se Subject: Re: (kw) Great robo voice program Date: 20 Jan 2000 10:15:53 +0100 Can be downloaded from: http://protowrxs.com/Files/ /Mats "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" @lists.xmission.com on 2000-01-20 03:02:25 Sent by: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com cc: Hey, I see people here asking about programs that generate speech and sound like KW vocoders. Well, I have been looking for a good proggie for a long time and dont know if you all know about SayIt, but its a great free software that sounds almost exactly like Speak & Spell or old KW records. If anyone indicates they want it, let me know and I'll upload it somewere. all the best, Glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: SV: (kw) Great robo voice program Date: 20 Jan 2000 10:31:07 +0100 Hey, You can now get SayIt from this URL: http://members.xoom.com/sforge/sayit.zip=20 all the best, Glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) Dub Model Date: 20 Jan 2000 12:57:34 +0100 > Tom W asked: > > anyone know what happened to The Members? "Going West" has been re-released on Line Records in 1997 as mid-price CD and seems to be still available (www.amazon.de). Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance Date: 20 Jan 2000 09:14:35 -0500 Poor KW. "Obliged" to be at the forefront of all things technical. Hey, what if the point isn't to be at said forefront? What if the point isn't to have the most realistic robots playing their music on television? I've never read an interview with "the boys" that stated, "we're all about being on the technological forefront in all matters, we'll be updating the robots to mimic every human movement". Indeed, while the rest of their contemporaries were employing laser shows, pyrotechnics, and the rest, KW had the minimal "neon names" set. That somebody may be off to the side pretending to play or program, or whatever is also part of the performance. Need they be actually producing the sounds you are hearing? I don't see why, unless you're trying to recreate the old rock and roll "virtuoso" mystique for the band, or trying to prove that it could be played "live". Again, what is the point? The point has always been a bit of an anachronism. Autobahn wasn't about your new 21st century hovercraft, after all. There has always been a humorous bit of obsolescence in their theme. Perhaps nostalgia figures in as well. That once upon a time KW were at the forefront with their performing robots is beside the point. Now perhaps, even the KW robots are a bit of the nostalgia/forward looking duel commentary. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com Date: 20 Jan 2000 15:22:20 +0100 MP3 seems to be good idea of promoting '"free" music, but I have to say everytime I download free stuff from internet or make CD-R copy of some CD from my friends, I always feel guilty. Is it OK if I rob artist which I value? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Khris Raistrick Subject: RE: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 20 Jan 2000 14:22:20 -0000 regarding kw tunes on mobile phones,i had the model on my ericsson phone.someone once kindly posted a web site with the codes to around 8 kw songs [and rather too many kiss songs than is strictly necessary]. i did post a request recently asking if it was possible to do the same on a nokia ,but without reply.i have a nokia 5110 and was told for a small fee an sms can be posted to you which changes the ring tone .but a -supposedly- reputable shop told me it wasn't possible. khris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 20 Jan 2000 15:34:13 +0100 My 888 is playing die Roboter... Only 9 notes, but that's enough for anybody to recognise the song. Try: cppcpcpdpcpppp+#dpp+fp+#ap+g /Joakim -----Original Message----- .... Wouldn't it be great if they played Kraftwerk songs? It would be so perfect!... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: (kw) MP3 (OT) Date: 20 Jan 2000 09:38:30 -0500 I see it this way, if the only way you can get some rare tracks is mp3, then who are you hurting? I want to buy CDs because the quality is much better. If I can find CDs of the rare mp3s that I have, I am quite willing to buy them. If you can't find the CDs to buy them, then you aren't robbing anyone as long as you buy the CD when you find it. -Chuck ---- "Synthetic electronic sounds, Industrial rhythms all around" -Kraftwerk > MP3 seems to be good idea of promoting '"free" music, but I have to say > everytime I download free stuff from internet or make CD-R copy of some CD > from my friends, I always feel guilty. Is it OK if I rob artist which I > value? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance Date: 20 Jan 2000 15:55:37 +0100 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > > To: kraftwerk-digest > Poor KW. "Obliged" to be at the forefront of all things technical. > Hey, what if the point isn't to be at said forefront? What if the point > isn't to have the most realistic robots playing their music on television? > I've never read an interview with "the boys" that stated, "we're all about > being on the technological forefront in all matters, we'll be updating the > robots to mimic every human movement". I don't think Kraftwerk is so very futuristic either. The imagery of the Trans Europa Express is steam trains, the old video has a Zeppelin train from the 30's, the TEE itself is long defunct, Metropolis/Man Machine is 1920's expressionism, the Radio Activity sleeve has a 40's style radio, Electric Cafe has it's name from a Marlene Dietrich movie, Autobahn is something from the 30's, the Tour de France video is 50's style black and white, the video of The Telephone Call shows a 50's telephone, neon lights were invented end of the 1800's... But, what's wrong with that, it's all VERY stylish, and quite fitting Kraftwerk, wearing shirt and tie or a suit. Personally I quite like that. Nothing wrong with playing the latest instruments while using style elements from the past. According to Pascal Bussy's book, Emil Schult also complained about the 1991 (The Mix) robots, something like "do the kids really want to see these robots when they have seen The Terminator". I think he (Schult) missed the point. The KW robots aren't robots really, but a highly stylized Kraftwerk, showing nothing but the bare essentials. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) mp3, DVD Date: 20 Jan 2000 08:55:04 -0600 > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:37:02 -0800 > From: "William Talley" > Subject: Re: (kw) New mp3s > > What in the hell are you doing compressing Kraftwelt? That's too > sonically challenging to encode for the horrible way we currently > butcher music. Even when I encode at 320kB/s and it's still shitty - > you are dead on. Highs are muted horribly and if your music is using > any sonic overwash then it's totally destroyed. I wish MP3 would just > die and go away entirely. It's like a DVD - not just for the fact > that's it is a compression, but that the decompression is still > rudementary as well. Both DVD and MP3 are based on eliminating > "extranious" data such as, oh the color black or any signal considered > outside of human hearing. Arguments? > > - -Bill Well, strictly speaking it doesn't remove stuff "outside the realm of human hearing." That's the "psychoacoustic compression" used by MiniDisc, which is a different beast. MP3 is kinda like the audio equivalent of JPEG...it breaks the source into chunks and approximates from there. Lossy, yes, but that's how you can get a 3MB file out of a 60MB file. It doesn't do high frequencies, espeically high-band noise, well because there's a lot of data that needs to be approximated. It's not as good as CD, certainly, but it's easier to send over a modem connection than a 60MB AIFF or WAV. I'd never *buy* mp3 audio unless that audio was entirely unavailable in another format (basically, if I were trying to help out an indie artist), but for previewing and downloading it's going to be a while before we see significant improvements in signal-to-size ratios. As for DVD...well, it's MPEG compression too. Same deal. Black doesn't work perfectly, because rarely do you have a "true black" in video, and any approximation is going to amplify the non-blackness. But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is VHS, I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc is almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it is a helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. Now, DIVX was a tool of satan himself. _________________________________________________________________ Eric Oehler www.kiwi-media.com wonko@nulldevice.com www.nulldevice.com not a significant source of dietary fiber # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Date: 20 Jan 2000 10:11:29 GMT I have a CD copier and programme. I recently got some rare shit (Kohouteks) and want to put them on my website: www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 How do I convert a CD track (WAV file) to a reasonably sized MP3? I have the regular MP3 player of Win 98, what programme do I need??? And how much MB on average does a track take (per minute)? Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: Re: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 20 Jan 2000 17:21:17 +0100 My Nokia 6150 plays Pocket Calculator...I "composed" it using a friend's 3210 and SMS'd it to my phone because the 6150 does not allow sending ringtones as SMS. I can ask my friend to send the tone to some listies' cellphones as well. I'm sure this will work on 61xx and 3210: I don't know about other Nokia models. I'm pretty sure this will not work on non-Nokia phones. Ciao, *Luca* > -----Original Message----- > .... Wouldn't it be great if they played Kraftwerk songs? It would be so > perfect!... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: (kw) Mp3 discussion continues... Date: 20 Jan 2000 18:46:33 +0100 Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com wrote: > MP3 seems to be good idea of promoting '"free" music, but I have to say > everytime I download free stuff from internet or make CD-R copy of some CD > from my friends, I always feel guilty. Is it OK if I rob artist which I > value? I think mp3 is a very good way of getting into music you never heard before or finding out if that new record your planning to buy is good but if you really value the artist then buy the record. It is also a big difference if you download mp3s from smaller artists without record contract or something like that becouse then you dont buy their records, and without money it is bigger chance they won't continue to make music. It is not as bad if you rip a "big" artists stuff becouse they probably got enough money. But I will say it again, if you really like the artist the go buy the record instead. /Finarvas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Kraftwerk robots (was: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance) Date: 20 Jan 2000 19:10:54 +0000 > I've never read an interview with "the boys" that stated, "we're all about > being on the technological forefront in all matters, we'll be updating the > robots to mimic every human movement". They've actually made such statements quite often, here is just one example (interview with Ralf Huetter, quoted from Bravo 51/78, p. 38): "Und mit [... einem Freund von uns] tuefteln wir schon an neuen Robotern. Wir wollen so weit gehen, dass sie einmal perfekte Roboter werden und unsere Funktion auf der Buehne uebernehmen koennen. [...] Diese Puppen werden sich dann total normal bewegen koennen, sprechen, singen und auch mit den Augen rollen." Rough translation: "We're working on new robots. We want to make them perfect robots who can take over our function on stage. [...] These puppets will be able to move normally, to speak, to sing and to move their eyes." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Ralf Huetter Interview Date: 20 Jan 2000 19:10:54 +0000 The current issue of the German magazine STERN has a full-page interview with Ralf Huetter. No relevant news. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 20 Jan 2000 11:18:19 -0800 >MP3 seems to be good idea of promoting '"free" music, but I have to say > everytime I download free stuff from internet or make CD-R copy of >some CD > from my friends, I always feel guilty. Is it OK if I rob artist which I > value? Well, strictly speaking, it's never okay to rob anyone! Kraftwerk is one of my favorite bands. I've bought all their albums on CD, both the English and German versions. Their first three albums have never been officially reissued, so I bought the Germanaphone bootlegs. They've never released albums of their concerts from the 80's and 90's, so I've downloaded mp3 bootlegs from the net and made copies for myself. If KW reissued the first three albums, I would support them and buy the discs. Same goes for any live concerts they might release. So I think mp3's are okay, as long as it's material that the artist doesn't have available for sale. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) mp3, DVD Date: 20 Jan 2000 11:13:11 -0800 >But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is VHS, >I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc is >almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it is a >helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. Laserdisc is currently the only non-compressed digital image you can get! Well, the CLV mode lasers are compressed, but CAV mode allow you to view every frame of the movie. Although, a fair amount of my laserdiscs seem to have developed laser rot to varying degrees... Nothing lasts forever! >Now, DIVX was a tool of satan himself. Amen to that, brother! DIVX was such a wasteful idea; disposable rentals?! What were they thinking??? So as to keep this on-topic... Uh... Hey, how about that Kraftwerk! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) mp3, DVD Date: 20 Jan 2000 11:13:11 -0800 >But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is VHS, >I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc is >almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it is a >helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. Laserdisc is currently the only non-compressed digital image you can get! Well, the CLV mode lasers are compressed, but CAV mode allow you to view every frame of the movie. Although, a fair amount of my laserdiscs seem to have developed laser rot to varying degrees... Nothing lasts forever! >Now, DIVX was a tool of satan himself. Amen to that, brother! DIVX was such a wasteful idea; disposable rentals?! What were they thinking??? So as to keep this on-topic... Uh... Hey, how about that Kraftwerk! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) mp3, DVD Date: 20 Jan 2000 14:56:34 -0500 Jason Polland wrote: > Laserdisc is currently the only non-compressed digital > image you can get! Actually, this is false. Laserdiscs carry an analog video signal. > Well, the CLV mode lasers are compressed, but CAV mode > allow you to view every frame of the movie. It is also not true that CLV lasers are compressed; they are simply arranged more for economy than performance. A "still" image is very hard to program if you don't know how fast the disc is spinning, which is the case in CLV. But if the player has memory on board, it can do it. > So as to keep this on-topic... Uh... Hey, how about that > Kraftwerk! Uh, yeah, they rule! -- Adam J Weitzman, NewsEdge Corp. (soon RoweCom Inc.) http://www.newsedge.com - http://www.individual.com "Humor is the best way of dealing with complete and utter nonsense." - John Lydon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance Date: 20 Jan 2000 11:32:16 -0800 >> Poor KW. "Obliged" to be at the forefront of all things technical. >> Hey, what if the point isn't to be at said forefront? What if the point >> isn't to have the most realistic robots playing their music on television? >> I've never read an interview with "the boys" that stated, "we're all about >> being on the technological forefront in all matters, we'll be updating the >> robots to mimic every human movement". > >I don't think Kraftwerk is so very futuristic either. The imagery of the >Trans Europa Express is steam trains, the old video has a Zeppelin train >from the 30's, the TEE itself is long defunct, Metropolis/Man Machine is >1920's >expressionism, the Radio Activity sleeve has a 40's style radio, Electric >Cafe has it's name from a Marlene Dietrich movie, Autobahn is something >from the 30's, the Tour de France video is 50's style black and white, >the video of The Telephone Call shows a 50's telephone, neon lights were >invented end of the 1800's... But, what's wrong with that, it's all VERY >stylish, and quite fitting Kraftwerk, wearing shirt and tie or a suit. >Personally I quite like that. Nothing wrong with playing the latest >instruments while using style elements from the past. I agree completely! When I saw them live in 1998, the video screens helped me to fully understand their vision. Their songs aren't about _futuristic_ technology, they're about technology in general. I think their classical approach is fascinating, because the subject matter will never be dated... They sing about computers, but never a reference to a platform, hardware statistics, or model number. Imagine how out-of-date the songs would be if they were about TRS-80's or Vic-20's! The Autobahn is a fixture that will be around for a long time. Again, KW knew better than to be specific... No references to actual car models or manufacturers. Just the experience of driving in a car. Their decision to dress formally and tastefully is such a compliment to their visions. They never tried to look "futuristic". I shudder to imagine what horrid fashions of 1978 might have been considered futuristic. Admittantly, the wireframe grid suits of late are futuristic looking, but it's more like they're very rudementary computer graphics, than anything else. I dig it. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) Statement from Kraftwerk Date: 20 Jan 2000 23:46:04 +0100 Today I recived this by e-mail from EMI Sweden: Fwd: Kraftwerk statement KRAFTWERK EXPO 2000 The song EXPO 2000 marks the return of electronic pioneers Kraftwerk. Inspired by the turn-of-the-millennium World Fair, Kraftwerk have recorded not only a musical calling card - the EXPO 2000 jingle - but also an entirely new song by the same name. Kraftwerk have always trodden an unconventional path, guided by a preoccupation with the future. The technical sound palette created by computer music provided them with a musical universe full of new inspirations. And this they used to reinvent themselves as robots and man machines; movement, speed and communication becoming the focus of their work. Kraftwerk leapt across time zones on the computer music landscape. At the beginning of a new millennium, we need people of vision, people who can identify the signals buried in the mass of facts, figures and statistics that is transmitted to us daily. From these we must develop resilient concepts for the 21st century, to create a harmony between man, nature and technology that will last on into the next generation. The world fair represents both a forum and a challenge to discuss global problems and, together, come up with new solutions. Kraftwerk 18.01.00 -- Gunnar R Johansson gunnar@gunnar.net - mer kontakt : http://www.gunnar.net/.sig # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: (kw) OT: Rebirth Date: 21 Jan 2000 03:15:42 +0100 Sorry for this off-topic message, but as there are many computer = musicians here..... I am looking for a mailing list/discussion forum for the Rebirth = software synthesizer. Any pointers would be highly appreciated. all the best, glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys Date: 20 Jan 2000 22:06:20 +0200 Den 20-Jan-00 A.D. ristade Svensson, Joakim f=F6ljande runor ang=E5ende "= RE: (kw) Nokia, dub model, leningrad cowboys": > My 888 is playing die Roboter... Only 9 notes, but that's enough for > anybody to recognise the song. > Try: cppcpcpdpcpppp+#dpp+fp+#ap+g I'm no musician, but if the notation style of the 888 is the same as my 6= 88, then I think Cppcpbepcpcpp+#dpp+fp+#ap+gppc is a more correct "score". I submitted this to one of those "Ericsson song sites" quite a while ago. --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance Date: 20 Jan 2000 22:44:20 GMT ...totally agreeing with Jason's 'classical approach' opinion - Kraftwerk never mention anything that could possibly date, just the concept that the human race had of, for example, travelling in a car, or on the train, or sitting infront of a computer screen, something I'm sure may of us do, quite often... I just saw the TV appearance though; quite amusing. four robots .. blah blah blah, nothing nobody hasn't mentioned before, BUT I would like to add that the robots didn't seem to be in sync with each other or anything. Two conclusions - they use terrible software to sync the hydraulics to the music, or they were controlling them from elsewhere. I pictured them having a cup of coffee upstairs in the gallery, over-looking the studio, but can't see it. I now see four guys having fun with remote control units behind the camera... that's it from me... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: EXPO Jingle (was: Re(2): (kw) Kraftwerk on RTL-TV) Date: 21 Jan 2000 05:15:25 +0100 k_z@gmx.de wrote: > =20 > >> An dieser widerlichen, spiessb=FCrgerlichen und kleinkr=E4merischen >> Diskussion " 100 000 DM f=FCr 1 Sekunde Musik " m=F6chte ich mich wirk= lich >nicht >> beteiligen. =20 > >Er, you just did... =20 > >> Das ist was f=FCr "Kunst kommt von k=F6nnen"-Leute. =20 > >It's rather something for people who are concerned about the=20 >(mis-)use of their tax money. =20 > > Klaus Zaepke =20 > You=B4re right.=20 Absolutely and everytime. =20 ---josef =20 =20 =20 =20 _____In_God_We_Trust_The_Rest_We_Monitor_And_Photograph_____ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk TV Appearance Date: 20 Jan 2000 21:14:32 -0700 Fred Harding writes: "Autobahn wasn't about your new 21st century hovercraft, after all." Rick Jansen writes: "I don't think Kraftwerk is so very futuristic either." Fred and Rick, you've said what has to be said of Kraftwerk.... "Kraftwerk ain't 'bout the future, but mo' of the past" http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/expo2000a.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on TV Date: 21 Jan 2000 07:19:36 +0100 Reetze@t-online.de writes: > > >>>> Well, Kraftwerk, or better, their robot dummies, performed e.g. 1991 >in >>> the >>>> "Mensch Maier"-show of Alf Biolek, which wasn't also a very typical >>>> Kraftwerk-audience ;-). >>>=20 >>> Yes, I've seen that. But the living originals were also there. They >were >>> sitting beneath the stage, each with a laptop. Bio insisted in their >>> personal presence, otherwise he wanted to cancel the performance. >>> Jan >>=20 >>>=20 >> Dieser Auftritt war in der Tat um einiges interessanter als diese >> eigenartige Aufzeichnung in "Top of the Pops" (was f=FCr ein originell= er >> Titel aber auch...). > >> ---josef > >Well, I just had a look at the video of the Mensch-Meier-performance. To >tell you the truth: It's a little bit silly, too. The robots on empty >stage, >moving aimless, four gentlemen sitting at tables beneath the stage, >hacking >meaningless commands in laptops without connection to whatsoever. >As far as I remember, in the intention of KW only the robots should appe= ar >on stage, moving to the music playback. Biolek NEVER accepted any >playbacks >in one of his shows, but sees, that in case of KW no live performance >would >be possible. So he agreed to make an exception in this case, if at least >the >living units of KW would be on stage too. I know the story behind the "making of " to this "performance". Biolek himself was not really happy at all with the result (remember his statement after the laptops have been closed :-) ), but he got them... =20 > >In general I think, it is true that the robots are a strong and clever >stage >effect (if you don't see it too often), but on TV screen the dummies pro= ve >ineffective. The Robots without their human genetics near behind are nothing. I=B4m not sure, if we will see them in the same outfit on the next tour... Maybee it was just a test. =20 > >Every list member in germany who was a child in the late sixties or earl= y >seventies was brought up with Kater Mikesch or Jim Knopf from the >"Augsburger Puppenkiste" (which was a very popular TV-show with >marionettes), and it was wonderful at that time.=20 Oh yes, I can remember. I=B4m an every-year visitor of the Austrian "Mistelbacher-Puppentage" ;-) and also own a collection of "Hoffmanns bewegliche Gliederpuppen". =20 >Seeing the KW robot dummies >is like watching repetitions of these old broadcasts: a little bit >nostalgic, but also a little bit embarrassing. It's like visiting a muse= um >with exhibits which were gripping when you were a child. Yes, that=B4s it!=20 I think, what we all missed (except Zaepke-of course) is the Live-effect. Interessting, but: the magical-mystery doesn=B4t come throug= h the lenses of moving-cameras. Not in this way. And what should we think about "Robots" in clothes, wearing sunglasses? =20 > >KW should think about a real contemporary kind of TV- performance. Or release a -very expensive-, totally limited, and high,high,high collectable DVD including all versions of their videos and >KlingKlang - Musikfilme< sponsored by the money-tax of all readers of >Auto-Bild< and members of > ADAC<. =20 hehe - just kidding=20 > >Jan =20 > ---josef > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Callau Mu¤oz, Oscar Ram¢n" Subject: (kw) RTL-1 Date: 21 Jan 2000 08:17:25 -0800 Hola Kraftwerkers!! =09 El mensaje RTL-2 es un peque=F1o regalo para todos aquellos que no pudieron ver la "actuaci=F3n" de los robots en la RTL. Espero que os guste, y que sirva para tener nuevos elementos de juicio en la discusi=F3= n sobre las =FAltimas actividades de los Mensch Machine. Personalmente, creo que todos nos sentimos un poquito frustrados cuando vimos el programa Top of The Pops. Esper=E1bamos algo m=E1s -m=FAsica en directo, alguna improvisaci=F3n en Expo 2000 que sonara distinta al CD; que Ralf y Florian se movieran, tocando botones y pedales... Pero, bien mirado, =E9s= o no responder=EDa demasiado a lo que KW nos tiene acostumbrados. A fin de cuentas, una de las grandes virtudes de la m=FAsica de KW es que MENOS ES M=C1S. Cuanto m=E1s la despojan de accesorios in=FAtiles, de arreglos barrocos, de sonidos superfluos... cuento m=E1s desnuda parece la canci=F3n, cuantos menos elementos contiene -tanto musicales como de texto- m=E1s redondas les sale la cosa, =BFno? Pues algo parecido ocurre con su aparici=F3n televisiva. Fijaos en las fotos y comprobareis que ofrecen un look fascinante, limpio, distinto a todo y a todos. Para sacar robots hi-tech ya est=E1 el mundo de Hollywood. Yo busco otra cosa en KW, su m=FAsica y su mundo.=20 Bueno, gracias por vuestra atenci=F3n.=20 (Lo env=EDo en mensajes separados porque soy un desastre en temas intern=E1uticos. Por cierto, coleccionistas: La primera imagen es el cartel del concierto que KW ofrecieron en Barcelona el 2 de junio de 1981, Computer Welt Tour) Oscar (texto) y Nico (fotos) Barcelona ENGLISH RESUM: Message RTL-2 is a small present for all werkers, from Barcelona. I hope it will be good enough to discuss about the KW appearance in RTL, specially for those who couldn't see the play.=20 From my point of view, we all expected more. But KW use to work this way: LESS IS MORE. Music and lyrics are better as they have less elements, less complicated, more simple... And the images show a clean, fascinating, different look.=20 Sorry for sending it in two separate messages, but I'm very bad at Internet things... The first image is the poster of the KW concert in Barcelona, 2 june 1981. Computer World tour.=20 Oscar & Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 09:04:01 +0100 (MET) > You´re right. > Absolutely and everytime. Unfortunately not every time, though I wonder if somebody who says that a debate doesn't meet his intellectual standards is really superior, or if he just doesn't have good arguments... Anyway, in this recent STERN magazine interview Ralf Huetter refused to give a precise answer to the question how long they worked for the DM 400.000. He probably had good reasons to avoid a clear answer... :-) Klaus Zaepke -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Expo2000 ltd.-available in Frankfurt area?? Date: 20 Jan 2000 10:01:15 +0100 Hi all I happen to go on a one-day trip to Frankfurt/Hessen next thursday and naturally I want to get some of those Expo2000 Limited Editions for DEM 100. I have checked the Karstadt Location index on the www.karstadt webpage and they list for Frankfurt only the following Frankfurt Main=20 Frankfurt Main Zeil Hertie=20 Zeil 90 60313 Frankfurt Main Telefon (069) 92905 -0 Fax (069) 92905 -105 Frankfurt Main=20 Frankfurt Main H=F6chst Hertie=20 K=F6nigsteiner Str. 9-13 65929 Frankfurt Main Telefon (069) 33001 -0 Fax (069) 33001 -101 They both seem to be "Hertie" Shopping Centers and not Karstadt ones. Karstadt is only listed as located in Wiesbaden and Ruesselsheim as being the closest to Frankfurt.... Does any of you listmembers live in the Frankfurt area and knows if the Expo 2000 limited CD is available in one of the 2 above stores?=20 As far as I remember the Hertie at Zeil has a World of Music-inhouse record store...do they carry it? Could anyone from Wiesbaden and Ruesselsheim confirm if the Cd's are available at the local Karstadt's, so if I would go there I could pick some up??? ANY HELP IS EXTREMLY APPRECIATED!!!!! Thanks and best regards from Switzerland Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 09:55:49 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > ...Anyway, in this recent STERN magazine interview Ralf Huetter > refused to give a precise answer to the question how long they > worked for the DM 400.000. He probably had good reasons to avoid > a clear answer... :-) I think Picasso did not take very long to produce a painting, or Vincent van Gogh. A few hours to sketch, first setup the rest of the day, finishing touches the next day. Paintings worth millions of dollars/DM/Guilders/Euro. Expo2000 has not just gotten a jingle, they have gotten exposure (pun intended) and media attention, exactly what they needed. What better for a media, arts and technology event in Germany than Kraftwerk. I think this has worked if Stern has a full-page interview with Mr. Huetter. DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. The Kraftwerk "brand" is worth a lot of money, if you want to express it in money. And this is not unusual for artists, I think the price for an evening with Barbara Streisand is only available on request too. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 10:26:47 +0100 (MET) > > ...Anyway, in this recent STERN magazine interview Ralf Huetter > > refused to give a precise answer to the question how long they > > worked for the DM 400.000. He probably had good reasons to avoid > > a clear answer... :-) > > I think Picasso did not take very long to produce a painting, Picasso paintings differ in quality, so it depends on the individual painting. However, Picasso was honest enough to admit freely that he did some of his paintings without any effort, only to cheat the audience. :-) > Expo2000 has not just gotten a jingle, A jingle nobody uses, by the way. The NDR, as the EXPO's main media partner, still refuses to play the jingle. And when the EXPO presented their TV commercial campaign recently, the music was supplied by Nina Hagen... > and media attention, exactly what they needed. I'm not sure if they really needed a parliament debate about their misuse of public money. :-) > What better for a media, arts and technology event in Germany than > Kraftwerk. I think this has worked if Stern has a full-page interview > with Mr. Huetter. Publicity is not necessarily positive. The same Stern issue also had a lengthy article on ex-chancellor Helmut Kohl, who is under suspicion of corruption. Mr. Kohl certainly doesn't care much for that kind of publicity. :-) > DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell > music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. No, they've forbidden to use their name as a brand. As it was reported on this list, the jingle was originally marketed as "Kraftwerk jingle", until Kraftwerk's lawyers stopped this. > The Kraftwerk "brand" is worth a lot of money, Very true, but the Expo bought only the jingle, not the "brand" (see above). > And this is not unusual for artists, I think the price for an evening > with Barbara Streisand is only available on request too. That's right, but the difference is that an evening with Barbra Streisand is usually not sponsored with public tax money. Klaus Zaepke -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 10:52:15 +0100 On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:55:49 +0100, Rick Jansen wrote: >DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell >music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. The Kraftwerk >"brand" is worth a lot of money, if you want to express it in money. I also think their name was the only one that could perfectly fit with the Expo 2K concept. They are german and don't hesitate to express this fact, but they also sing in many languages, are very respectable, etc. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Finbom" Subject: (kw) info kraftwerk Date: 21 Jan 2000 13:24:21 +0100 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 14:01:53 +0100 Rick Jansen wrote: > Expo2000 has not just gotten a jingle, they have gotten exposure > (pun intended) and media attention, exactly what they needed. > What better for a media, arts and technology event in Germany than > Kraftwerk. I think this has worked if Stern has a full-page interview > with Mr. Huetter. But the interviewer doesn't seem to be very engaged. He asks prepared questions and just accepts Huetters wishy-washy-answers without inquirering. Ralf should really let examine his state of mind. He rather likes to be called "Herr Kraftwerk" now and says he feels like a robot. Poor man :-( > DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell > music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. The Kraftwerk > "brand" is worth a lot of money, if you want to express it in money. > And this is not unusual for artists, I think the price for an evening > with Barbara Streisand is only available on request too. The question is: was it privat money or public money. In the case of the EXPO2000-Jingle it was public money. This makes people so sensitive. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 14:35:14 +0100 Would it be possible for someone to translate the most interesting parts of= =20= this interview? Regards/Johan G=2EWess wrote: Ralf should really let examine his state of mind=2E He rather likes to be called "Herr Kraftwerk" now and says he feels like a robot=2E Poor man :-( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 14:49:13 +0100 Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de wrote: =20 > >The question is: was it privat money or public money. In the case of the >EXPO2000-Jingle it was public money. This makes people so sensitive. But why do we always here arguments like these in relation to art or related categories? Is this a new kind of discussing "entartete Kunst". 400 000 DM for this promotion and the reputation of the Kraftwerk=99 is not more than a Butterbrot. I give it the name "Aufwandsentsch=E4digung". =20 I was more wondering about, that the Expo-people got them! Don=B4t forget: they never did in comercial-spots, soundtracks = or anything else. (Ralf H=FCtter, 1991 in an interview with Walter Gr=F6bchen for the Austrian-Broadcast: "Ja...., wir machen ja keine Jeanswerbung".) =20 The money will cashed back in the first day of the Expo-Exhibition if not before... So, don=B4t let us discuss about a handfull of peanuts. If Mr. Schneider = & Mr. H=FCtter would realy be interested to earn money like Dagobert Duck they would have known h o w to do it! =20 Be sure. =20 ---josef =20 > =20 > =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Nokia & mp3 vs. DVD Date: 21 Jan 2000 13:34:11 +0100 Jason Polland wrote: > Hey! Something just occured to me. Everybody's heard those little >digital tunes that cellphones play. Wouldn't it be great if they played >Kraftwerk songs? It would be so perfect! Imagine your cellphone ringing >with a quick digital version of "Pocket Calculator" or "The Model". >Kraftwerk has always talked about being musical workers, manufacturing >music for the world. They should strike up a deal with Nokia! The mobile phone of my brother's girlfriend plays a little melody (Tour de France) when you call to it. The models can be Nokia 5110 or 6110. But the program to carry out the operation to insert a melody into the telephone functions it is not comercialized :-( And it is not a preset. This did it in one of the Departments of Nokia (Spain). Eric Oehler wrote: >But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is VHS, >I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc is >almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it >is a helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. >Now, DIVX was a tool of satan himself. I think the future music storage system will be kinda like Sony Memory Stick. It doesn't contain moving or mechanic parts. DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 09:11:35 EST In a message dated 1/21/00 12:04:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, k_z@gmx.de writes: << Anyway, in this recent STERN magazine interview Ralf Huetter refused to give a precise answer to the question how long they worked for the DM 400.000. >> What else did he say....or not say? ANY hint about the new album?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:24:12 +0100 Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de writes: > >Rick Jansen wrote: =20 > >But the interviewer doesn't seem to be very engaged. He asks prepared >questions and just accepts Huetters wishy-washy-answers without >inquirering. =20 I wouldn=B4t say, that he wasn=B4t engaged. I think every journalist woul= d lick his fingers to get the chance for an interview with Mr. H=FCtter. But have you ever heard a full-length (60 minutes) interview with this ma= n? =20 > >Ralf should really let examine his state of mind. He rather likes to be >called "Herr Kraftwerk" now and says he feels like a robot. Poor man :-( The thing is: not the journalist does an interview with him, he does no interview with the Journalist. And why should he? Always the same, same questions. What would you answer, if you here years by years always the same questions, often from people who have no idea about what you=B4re doing.=20 The result -as we call it-: "nothing new". (hehe: what=B4s new in the past?) =20 > >> DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell >> music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. The Kraftwerk >> "brand" is worth a lot of money, if you want to express it in money. There=B4s nothing more to say about. > They would have paid also 4 Million DM to get Kraftwerk. (And it wouldn=B4t also be not more than 10 "Butterbrote-s".) =20 (Don=B4t let me be missunderstood: After all these stupid & senseless dicussions about: jingles, minutes and tax-money, i dont=B4t think that this was an good idea.) > =20 > >Gubbolf =20 ---josef =20 =20 > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) KW robots. Date: 21 Jan 2000 09:29:31 -0500 Updating the robots to be able to do their stage show isn't quite the same thing as making robots that are on the forefront of robotics technology. I sincerely doubt the boys were heading to MIT to dedicate their lives to designing robots that would move so "naturally" as to be mistaken for human... not that anybody has suggested that (yet). As it stands (and as they stand) the real KW don't do much in the way of moving on stage anyway. I'll admit, I haven't even seen the performance being discussed here, but, I do contend that my "guess" is actually in line with KW's philosophy and intent. What could be more ironic than having slightly outdated robots performing the "theme song for a new millennium?" (my words). It is a natural time to both look backwards and forwards. The robots in appearance of obsolescence (if KW even see them that way), are an ideal physical metaphor. A song about the promise of a new era "performed" by outdated robots. Sounds good to me. There are so many possibilities for interpretation... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:25:43 +0100 There aren't any interesting parts. johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > Would it be possible for someone to translate the most interesting parts of this interview? > Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:30:29 +0100 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: > What else did he say....or not say? ANY hint about the new album?? No. Nothing. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:34:21 +0100 Josef Gabler wrote: > But have you ever heard a full-length (60 minutes) interview with this man? No. Unfortunately not. > What would you answer, if you here > years by years always the same questions, often from people who > have no idea about what you´re doing. The same as Ralf does: nothing ;-) Of course you're right. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:31:13 +0100 Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de wrote: =20 > >> But have you ever heard a full-length (60 minutes) interview with this >man? > >No. Unfortunately not. Sorry. I have DAT-Copie of a thing like that... It=B4s interessting to hear him speak in an uncuted version, but he is only doing his job. =20 > >> What would you answer, if you here >> years by years always the same questions, often from people who >> have no idea about what you=B4re doing. > >The same as Ralf does: nothing ;-) >Of course you're right. That=B4s not my intention. > =85'=96 ]=20 =20 > >Gubbolf =20 Regards > ---josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:43:03 +0100 Wess wrote: > > Rick Jansen wrote: > > DM 400.000 may be a lot of money, but Kraftwerk did not just sell > > music, they have attached their name to the Expo2000. The Kraftwerk > > "brand" is worth a lot of money, if you want to express it in money. > > And this is not unusual for artists, I think the price for an evening > > with Barbara Streisand is only available on request too. > > The question is: was it privat money or public money. In the case of the > EXPO2000-Jingle it was public money. This makes people so sensitive. The whole Expo2000 is funded with public money. So is the police security at football matches. Here in The Netherlands there's a discussion about who pays for the police presence. Well, the government (we the tax payers) does, but there are also earnings in hotels, pubs, window repair shops etc that make up for the expense in the end. The Expo2000 invested 0.4 MDM in a jingle by a very famous band, whose image fits the Expo2000 wonderfully, and who can give the Expo2000 a German flavour. The amount spent may be substantial, but is earned back completely with the limited edition CD's alone. So in the end it was a good investment. Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonas Lantz Subject: (kw) Covenant samples Kraftwerk Date: 21 Jan 2000 17:59:17 +0100 The brilliant Swedish synthband Covenant has a new single out called "Dead stars". In the beginning of the song you can hear a voice in the background saying "Eins zwei drei vier". It's Ralfs voice from the beginning of the track "Showroom dummies" You can download a sample of the song (mp3) at: www.subspace.se I just wanted to let you know if you are interested. The track is great, the best this year so far ;-) Jonas -- ____________________________ E-mail: jonas.lantz@home.se website: www.jonaslantz.nu ICQ: 4388784 Fax: +31 794 64 68 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damerst,Lincoln M" Subject: (kw) Laserdisc is NOT digital Date: 21 Jan 2000 07:48:56 -0800 Hey all, Jason Polland wrote: >>But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is VHS, >>I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc is >>almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it is a >>helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. > Laserdisc is currently the only non-compressed digital image you can >get! Well, the CLV mode lasers are compressed, but CAV mode allow you to >view every frame of the movie. Although, a fair amount of my laserdiscs >seem to have developed laser rot to varying degrees... Nothing lasts >forever! Jason this is not true. With laserdiscs the video is analog, only the audio can be digital (and isn't always). And to boot CLV discs are not compressed, it's just a different mastering technique. But as for the quality of Laserdiscs vs. DVD let me quote Morgan Holly, former Technical Director for the Criterion Collection, the pioneers of superior content Laserdiscs and DVDs: Resolution Many people confuse horizontal and vertical video resolution. NTSC video has 525 lines of vertical resolution. That goes for DVD, VHS, broadcast, laserdisc, etc. MOST of that is active picture information, some of it is for closed captioning, timecode, digital audio, or whatever else people want to insert. In the case of DVD the active picture occupies 480 lines of vertical resolution. This is 6 pixels (or lines) shy of what D1, D5 or digital betacam masters have. Video that ends up on a laserdisc or DVD should, and generally does, originate from these component digital master formats. Hence: The best case scenario for NTSC vertical picture resolution is 486. Horizontal resolution of digital masters is 720 pixels. The final horizontal resolution of DVD is 720 pixels, equal to D1. Horizontal resolution numbers for laserdisc are usually derived from a formula involving the ~4.5MHz video bandwidth of the format. These formulas look good on paper, but don't equate to real-world perfomance. The bottom line is that DVD carries a 720X480 component digital stream. With a reasonable bitrate (3.8-4.5Mbits/sec) and a good compression box the video is indistinguishable from the master tape it was made from. Having said that, there are a lot of bad compression boxes, sloppy compression operators, and bad master tapes out there. Taking this into account, the end results will vary. Laserdisc, on the other hand, is mastered from D2: a composite digital tape format. It's very easy to see the difference between a D2 and the component digital master it was made from. That D2 feeds an ANALOG composite signal to the laserdisc mastering machine, furthering the degradation of the video quality. Apply all the 3D filters you want, it will never look like the original D1 after that. Compression Let's get off this compression kick, guys. VHS is uncompressed as well. Fuck, even pixelvision is uncompressed, but unless you're delivering DIGITAL images at 720X486 as a component stream you're losing resolution. No laserdisc is not compressed, but its not a 6MHz signal with a 100db S/N ratio either. A properly created DVD stream of film-originated material discards extraneous fields. This does not degrade the image. All 24 fps are preserved. a video frame only needs 2 fields to be defined, the 3rd is time filler. The removal of these fields allows all properly made DVD's to act like a CAV laserdisc. I like that. Hardware Wars Laserdisc is a mature format. After over a decade of tweaking, it looks about as good as it can (which is still damn good). DVD is just getting warmed up. I sit in a room all day long and watch MPEG streaming into component broadcast monitors from expensive decoders. The set-top players have a long way to go in terms of doing justice to the streams they're rendering. But the resolution is in the software, and exsisting players already yield a picture better than laser. Let's not forget what the original gas-neon lasers looked like when laserdisc was introduced. I have several laser players: a Magnavox 8040, an NAD 900, a 1030, and two 3080 units. The 8040 let me play CLV discs, the 900 gave me digital audio and CD playback, the 1030 let me play heavy technidisc pressings, and the 3080 gave me CLV stills in addition to molecular-level aluminum compression to flip a 12" disc in a 1" space. I still can't get AC-3 sound without another upgrade. It's the nature of technology (thank god), laserdisc is not immune, hopefully DVD will continue to evolve. Well there you go I hope that clears that up a bit. While Laserdiscs were the best quality consumers could get, DVDs have really eclipsed them in quality and (so far) durability. I have over 500 laserdiscs and 300 DVDs and I tell you I no longer purchase laserdiscs. In addition I've never got a DVD that was defective like the scores of Laserdiscs that had to be returned with the hope the the next one wouldn't have too many visual defects when playing them not to mention the "laser rot" (in my case very visible snow throughout the movie) that sometimes plagued discs in less than a year from purchase. Oh well have fun all. Lincoln Damerst # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 12:24:02 -0500 > I think Picasso did not take very long to produce a painting, or > Vincent van Gogh. A few hours to sketch, first setup the rest of > the day, finishing touches the next day. Paintings worth millions > of dollars/DM/Guilders/Euro. Yes, but did Picasso ever cease making new paintings for 13 years and then make a two-day painting? Did he tell everyone he was in the studio every day for 13 years giving the impression that it's been worked on for the whole time? And did he try to explain to everyone that he spent most of the time updating his studio with the best paints? ;) -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: (kw) aktivitat Date: 21 Jan 2000 12:24:55 -0500 I don't know if this has already been addressed, but what's the deal with the Aktivit=E4t website? http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/ It says "Aktivit=E4t is currently offline ". Being updated or something? I hope this excellent source for Kraftwerk information and discussion returns to the WWW soon! -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fernando Subject: Re: (kw) Laserdisc is NOT digital Date: 21 Jan 2000 09:30:51 -0800 At 7:48 AM -0800 1/21/00, Damerst,Lincoln M wrote: >Hey all, > >Jason Polland wrote: > >>>But is DVD a tool of the devil? Well, considering the other option is >VHS, >>>I'll take DVD any day. Laserdisc doesn't have the quality and VideoDisc >is >>>almost as lossy and requires too much storage. DVD isn't perfect, but it >is a >>>helluva lot better than a t-120 videotape. > >> Laserdisc is currently the only non-compressed digital image you can >>get! Well, the CLV mode lasers are compressed, but CAV mode allow you to >>view every frame of the movie. Although, a fair amount of my laserdiscs >>seem to have developed laser rot to varying degrees... Nothing lasts >>forever! > >Jason this is not true. With laserdiscs the video is analog, only the audio >can be digital (and isn't always). The audio is PCM in latter day LDs... the original ones had the analog track only that required CX encoding (like a Dolby thing). In the last few years, they took out an analog track to put in AC-3 (=DolbyDigital) or DTS. The analog track is often used for commentaries from director, etc., since all models (except really old ones) would play the digital audio track. And yes, the video in a Laserdisc is saved as a FM modulated signal, which is purely analog -- just like in your radio reception. >And to boot CLV discs are not compressed, it's just a different mastering >technique. But as for the quality of Laserdiscs vs. DVD let me quote Morgan >Holly, former Technical Director for the Criterion Collection, the pioneers >of superior content Laserdiscs and DVDs: > >Resolution >Many people confuse horizontal and vertical video resolution. NTSC video has >525 lines of vertical resolution. That goes for DVD, VHS, broadcast, >laserdisc, etc. MOST of that is active picture information, some of it is >for closed captioning, timecode, digital audio, or whatever else people want >to insert. In the case of DVD the active picture occupies 480 lines of >vertical resolution. This is 6 pixels (or lines) shy of what D1, D5 or >digital betacam masters have. Video that ends up on a laserdisc or DVD >should, and generally does, originate from these component digital master >formats. Hence: The best case scenario for NTSC vertical picture resolution >is 486. There has always been some confusion on compression... often it is to mean digital compression... but LDs also have some compression (in analog form). I believe that this "compression" is in the form of bandlimiting the bandwidth of certain information. This is true for CLV and CAV... the difference been how the frame is stored. In CAV, there is one frame per "ring," hence the ability to show that frame by just keeping the laser on that track. CLV would place as many frames in the track as it can. As the "post" from Morgan Holly details, the LD does not have the bandwidth to keep the original intact... so there is a loss... so, indeed, don't worry about compression or not... it is always important to consider how it *degrades* from the original. cheers! -fernando # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: the DM400.000 Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 13:11:00 EST Please, give Ralf and Florian a break! If the German government wants to pay KW DM400.000 to do their jingle, well, don't blame Ralf and Florian! If your government offered you a ridiculous amount to write them a short jingle, you'd do it too! David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:28:18 -0000 You know I get sad at the number of people on this list criticising Kraftwerk for not being futuristic or visionary or innovative. It is exactly this sort of false image and expectation that will always lead to disappointment and probably reluctance on the part of Kraftwerk members to publish music that does not live up to these expectations. Why can't they just be left to release music that they want to, not music that has to do something new or innovative. I like expo 2000 I don't give a shit if it does not sound in the future or in the past. The pedestal that kraftwerk are put on in my opinion does more harm than good and is altogether counter productive. If you like the music buy it, if not leave it alone. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 20:47:00 +0100 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se schrieb: > Would it be possible for someone to translate the most interesting parts of this interview? > Regards/Johan Well, there is nothing really interesting ;-). The same old blahblah Mr. Huetter story-tells in every interview: We are "Musikarbeiter" and work in our studio every day, all our music is now saved digitally at Kling Klang, I ride the "Tour the France" with my bike...*yawn* ;-) Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 20:46:51 +0100 Josef Gabler schrieb: > (...) > I was more wondering about, that the Expo-people > got them! Don=B4t forget: they never did in comercial-spots, soundtrack= s or > anything else. Well, they did e.g. this "Sellafield 2" thing for Greenpeace, "Musique No= n Stop" jingle for MTV and the "Radioactivity" melody was used at "Europe 1" (bu= t I don't know if these work was payed). Anyway, I don't think it was so hard to get them now (of course it was in= the 70ien and 80ies): The guys need money, IMO. Expensive livestyle, new equipment, new dresses, new sunglasses ;-), and = last not least new robots (or only new heads?) and a new bike for Mr. Huetter. And= they also have to pay Henning Schmitz and Fritz Hilpert (well, maybe he is a p= art-time audio engineer worker) for doing nothing at concerts and eating ice cream= in the Kling Klang studio (or does anybody really belive they have a "168 Stunde= n-Woche" ;-) ?). Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 21 Jan 2000 20:47:18 +0100 Wess schrieb: > But the interviewer doesn't seem to be very engaged. He asks prepared > questions and just accepts Huetters wishy-washy-answers without > inquirering. Hey, how would you do, interviewing a robot ;-)? "Herr Kraftwerk" is not C3PO... Greets from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Laserdisc is NOT digital Date: 21 Jan 2000 12:17:15 -0800 Adam, Lincoln, and Fernando, thanks for your laserdisc information! I certainly didn't know what I was talking about earlier regarding digital video; now I know better. Ah, laserdiscs, the bane of my existence! Just kidding. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 12:37:45 -0800 >You know I get sad at the number of people on this list criticising >Kraftwerk for not being futuristic or visionary or innovative. It is exactly >this sort of false image and expectation that will always lead to >disappointment and probably reluctance on the part of Kraftwerk members to >publish music that does not live up to these expectations. I think that's exactly why they've been so reluctant to release any new music. I think the whole "Techno-Pop" project started them down a road of being more and more afraid of losing their title of being on the "forefront of technology". I mean, originally Ralf wanted to do an ENTIRE ALBUM of bicycle songs, for godsake. That's not exactly the cutting edge of transportation. >Why can't they just be left to release music that they want to, not music >that has to do something new or innovative. I agree completely. If they wanted to release an accoustic album, that would be fine by me. I've always felt that with Kraftwerk, the music comes first, not the technology. >I like expo 2000 I don't give a shit if it does not sound in the future or >in the past. Me too. I love all their stuff. Even... (this is guranteed to stir up controvery)... ELECTRIC CAFE! [an indignant gasp emits from the crowd of self-proclaimed experts, many of whom look like "The Comic Book Guy" from "The Simpsons"] >If you like the music buy it, if not leave it alone. Well, that's the real issue. The fact is that even those people who listened to Expo 2000, and between mouthfulls of their seventh breakfast burrito exclaimed "Worst Kraftwerk song ever," well, they all BOUGHT the single. And they'll continue to buy anything else that Kraftwerk happens to release. Because they love the music, even if they like complaining about it. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:07:32 -0500 > I think that's exactly why they've been so reluctant to release any new > music. I think the whole "Techno-Pop" project started them down a road of > being more and more afraid of losing their title of being on the "forefront > of technology". I mean, originally Ralf wanted to do an ENTIRE ALBUM of > bicycle songs, for godsake. That's not exactly the cutting edge of > transportation. I'd buy that album. Actually, I'd kinda like for KW to release it. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a cyclist, but I love the music. > Me too. I love all their stuff. Even... (this is guranteed to stir up > controvery)... ELECTRIC CAFE! [an indignant gasp emits from the crowd of > self-proclaimed experts, many of whom look like "The Comic Book Guy" from > "The Simpsons"] Electric Cafe was actually a good album if you take it for what it is..a dance album. I actually listen to it quite a bit. > >If you like the music buy it, if not leave it alone. True enough, and regarding the whole technology thing, go back and listen to "Tone Float" and "Kraftwerk" then tell me that you need ultra high-tech gadgetry to make great music. The first KW album I ever heard was Computerworld, but later when I went back and bought the older stuff, I was quite (pleasantly) surprised. I mean here are these men making music with computers, but they started out making music with flutes and guitars. Maybe KW should release an album with Ralf & Florian playing "Classical" instruments, I'm sure they still remember how. -Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Talley" Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 21 Jan 2000 13:19:46 -0800 Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com wrote: > > MP3 seems to be good idea of promoting '"free" music, but I have to say > everytime I download free stuff from internet or make CD-R copy of some CD > from my friends, I always feel guilty. Is it OK if I rob artist which I > value? And I suppose that you also believe that the internet is your personal forum for stealing software/music/etc? Guns are only for killing? Food is only for sex? Geeze... Are you Scottish? -Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JandSNuckels@webtv.net (Jason & Sherry Nuckels) Subject: (kw) Computer World Tour Date: 21 Jan 2000 13:47:05 -0800 (PST) Anyone have a copy of the second part of the '81 tour (Stuttgart,Frankfurt,Utrecht..) on CD-R or audio cassette ( besides "Computer Tour" and "Dynamo Deutchland") that they would like to sell or trade? I'm looking for a complete show, if possible.Thanx! -Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 23:51:33 +0100 > Electric Cafe was actually a good album if you take it for what it is..a > dance album. I actually listen to it quite a bit. Erm.. Dance? Do I have a different copy of this album? I was very excited about it then but the only thing bearable to listen to is MusicNonStop/Boing Boom Tjak (and the Remix-albumversion is even better, now that was a good "dance" version), side B sucks big time; probably done cos they didn't want to release an one sided record. I mean come on, Telephone call; "tring tring, bleep bleep, this number is disconnected", this is a concept album with the concept missing! > True enough, and regarding the whole technology thing, go back and listen to > "Tone Float" and "Kraftwerk" then tell me that you need ultra high-tech > gadgetry to make great music. The first KW album I ever heard was > Computerworld, but later when I went back and bought the older stuff, I was > quite (pleasantly) surprised. I mean here are these men making music with > computers, but they started out making music with flutes and guitars. Maybe > KW should release an album with Ralf & Florian playing "Classical" > instruments, I'm sure they still remember how. What would be so special about that? I mean, music is music, played on a gitar or syth, it still has to have a catchy tune or melody. It won't be better (or worse) being played with classical instrument, so wots the point? -- I don't do .INI, .BAT, or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files... I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them... I have a computer to do all that... I have a Macintosh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:08:55 -0500 The point was not that music is any better or worse played on classical instruments or synths. The point is that if KW is so worried about sounding outdated, maybe they throw everyone a curve and release something totally different from The Mix and E2K. I know quite a few people who don't like KW's electronic sound, but love the older stuff because it sounds more classical. If KW wants to be the sound of the new century, they should have a sound that everyone can enjoy in some aspect, right? They could even do a double CD with one disc being synth, and the other being classical instruments. > What would be so special about that? I mean, music is music, played on a > gitar or syth, it still has to have a catchy tune or melody. It won't be > better (or worse) being played with classical instrument, so wots the point? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 00:14:33 +0000 > From: Rick Jansen > > The Expo2000 invested 0.4 MDM in a jingle by a very famous band, > whose image fits the Expo2000 wonderfully, and who can give the > Expo2000 a German flavour. The amount spent may be substantial, but > is earned back completely with the limited edition CD's alone. Only if they can sell the edition completely. At the moment, copies with numbers in the region of 1100-1200 are distributed. So we may guess that they haven't sold much more than 1000 copies yet. > So in the end it was a good investment. This depends on the perspective: 1) From a strictly economical point of view, even if they should earn back the entire sum, they could have earned more money if they've paid less for the jingle, or if they had signed a more popular band. A number of popular German musicians (the Scorpions, for example) agreed to do *free* promotion for the EXPO as so-called "EXPO ambassadors", so the question remains why they gave so much money to Kraftwerk without asking any of their popular "ambassadors" if they would do the job for free. (This question was also raised in the parliament debate about the jingle). 2) From a strictly functional point of view, they bought a jingle most of their media partners don't want to use, so it was no good investment in this sense. 3) From a strictly artistic point of view, I don't think that it was a good investment, because other artists might have provided something more impressive. 4) From a strictly PR point of view I agree that it was a good investment, but mainly because Kraftwerk published the "Expo 2000" single, which gave the EXPO quite a lot of media coverage. But since there didn't seem to be concrete plans for such a single release at the time the EXPO signed Kraftwerk, the EXPO management shouldn't be praised for a clever PR move. It looks more like good luck. > From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) > > I was more wondering about, that the Expo-people got them! Don=B4t > forget: they n ever did in comercial-spots, soundtracks or anything > else. Maybe they were never offered DM 400.000 before? > So, don=B4t let us discuss about a handfull of peanuts. If a public institution deals with public money as if it was peanuts, it indicates that this institution has got too much public money. > From: "Arnaud de Bonald" > > I also think their name was the only one that could perfectly fit with t= he Expo 2K > concept. They are german and don't hesitate to express this fact, but th= ey > also sing in many languages, are very respectable, etc. At least they were considered very respectable until Wolfgang Fluer published his book. ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) KW robots. Date: 22 Jan 2000 00:14:33 +0000 > Updating the robots to be able to do their stage show isn't quite the same thing > as making robots that are on the forefront of robotics technology. If robots were able to do a 2-hour stage show on their own, wouldn't this be on the forefront of robotics technology, even today? > I sincerely doubt the boys were heading to MIT to dedicate their lives to > designing robots that would move so "naturally" as to be mistaken for human... Sure. But they were pretending this in their interviews, so it is at least part of the artistic image they try to evoke... > What could be more ironic than having slightly outdated robots performing the > "theme song for a new millennium?" (my words). Indeed. But the question is: Was the irony intended? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soleil Lapierre Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:36:49 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Familie de Haan wrote: > > Electric Cafe was actually a good album if you take it for what it is..a > > dance album. I actually listen to it quite a bit. > > Erm.. Dance? Do I have a different copy of this album? I was very excited > about it then but the only thing bearable to listen to is MusicNonStop/Boing > Boom Tjak (and the Remix-albumversion is even better, now that was a good > "dance" version), side B sucks big time; probably done cos they didn't want > to release an one sided record. I mean come on, Telephone call; "tring > tring, bleep bleep, this number is disconnected", this is a concept album > with the concept missing! Just to toss my irrelevant personal opinion in again, I actually like the B-side of EC better. My favorite track on the album is Sex Object, just because it's a refreshing departure. I do like Telephone Call, but you're right that it relongs on a concept album. Another track for the same album would be Telefone 529 by Musicology - it's almost the same. Interestingly, Musicology listed Musique Non stop as their #2 favorite electronic track in the liner notes for the Artificial Intelligence compilation. I don't see how EC could be taken as a dance album though. I guess it depends on the clubs you go to. :) -- /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: Re: (kw) New Ralf Huetter Interview Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:52:42 -0700 Gubbolf wrote: >Ralf should really let examine his state of mind. He rather likes to >be called "Herr Kraftwerk" now and says he feels like a robot. >Poor man :-( Ralf, I mean, "Herr Kraftwerk" is a nutcase, and we all know that. No wonder why Karl & Wolfgang went separate ways... listening to KW's music is one thing, but working with this weirdo must be a totally different story. Even Florian feels the need to go across the street every once in a while for a drink or two. Ralf, if you "feel" like a robot, and that makes you happy and pushes your buttons or whatever, its fine with me, but man... what's that stuff you're on? You know, I have news for you: You are not fooling anybody. We all know that inside that pose there's a human being with a heart capable of writing beautiful songs like "Neon Lights" and "Computer Love", so cut the crap and give us some music already... Enrique # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:55:38 -0800 >I don't see how EC could be taken as a dance album though. I guess it >depends on the clubs you go to. :) Maybe it's being called a dance album because every song has a strong, fast beat? Earlier albums didn't do that as much... "Hall Of Mirrors" isn't a club song, for example. Well, unless there was a really cool club willing to play it. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) New Ralf Huetter Interview Date: 21 Jan 2000 16:06:37 -0800 >Ralf, if you "feel" like a robot, and that makes you happy and pushes your >buttons or whatever, its fine with me, but man... what's that stuff you're >on? You know, I have news for you: You are not fooling anybody. We all know >that inside that pose there's a human being with a heart capable of writing >beautiful songs like "Neon Lights" and "Computer Love", so cut the crap and >give us some music already... I think poor Ralf (Herr Kraftwerk, Senor Roboto, Misuer Mannequin, whatever) feels very isolated and alone. He's obviously a very sensitive, introspective person, with all the beautiful music and lyrics he has composed. I once read that he lives with his sister's family, and that he had a room built in which the walls and ceiling are all mirrors... His own little "Hall of Mirrors". I often wonder what he must think about, sitting alone in that room. Looking back on his life, his choices, his career, his successes, his mistakes. Perhaps fear is a driving force in his life. Fear of the future, fear of failure, fear of Kraftwerk's continued success. Fear of taking chances. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 21 Jan 2000 19:06:22 -0500 Yes, That's what I meant by dance album. In contrast to the earlier works, it is very danceable. Of course I don't go to clubs, so my calling it a "dance" album was perhaps a misnomer, sorry. -Chuck > Maybe it's being called a dance album because every song has a strong, > fast beat? Earlier albums didn't do that as much... "Hall Of Mirrors" > isn't a club song, for example. Well, unless there was a really cool club > willing to play it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) never mind the buzzcocks.. Date: 22 Jan 2000 01:04:28 +0000 on BBC's "Never Mind The Buzzcocks" show there was a discussion for alternative names for the Sex Pistols. One of which, 'Arse Luger', was dismissed as being 'somebody in Kraftwerk'. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 02:15:55 +0100 k_z@gmx.de wrote: > >> From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) =20 > >> I was more wondering about, that the Expo-people got them! Don=B4t >> forget: they n ever did in comercial-spots, soundtracks or anything >> else. > >Maybe they were never offered DM 400.000 before? > =20 > >> So, don=B4t let us discuss about a handfull of peanuts. =20 > >If a public institution deals with public money as if it was peanuts, >it indicates that this institution has got too much public money. =20 > Klaus Zaepke =20 > You=B4re right.=20 Absolutely and everytime. =20 ---josef =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _____In_God_We_Trust_The_Rest_We_Monitor_And_Photograph_____ > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 02:26:16 +0100 Georgie@blackbox.net wrote: > >Josef Gabler schrieb: > >> (...) >> I was more wondering about, that the Expo-people >> got them! Don=B4t forget: they never did in comercial-spots, soundtrac= ks >or >> anything else. > >Well, they did e.g. this "Sellafield 2" thing for Greenpeace, And you mean, this was a comercial "thing" ? =20 > "Musique Non Stop" >jingle for MTV and the "Radioactivity" melody was used at "Europe 1" >(but I >don't know if these work was payed). I think so. Every Radio/TV-Show etc. can use any song to sign(ation) the beginn of it. They have to pay the seconds/minutes how long it=B4s broadcasted. =20 Years ago the TV-Channel "arte" wanted Kraftwerk to compose some Signations/Jingles > for any Programs. No way. =20 ---josef =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe Date: 21 Jan 2000 20:29:14 -0500 > Erm.. Dance? Do I have a different copy of this album? I was very excited > about it then but the only thing bearable to listen to is MusicNonStop/Boing > Boom Tjak (and the Remix-albumversion is even better, now that was a good > "dance" version), side B sucks big time; probably done cos they didn't want > to release an one sided record. I mean come on, Telephone call; "tring > tring, bleep bleep, this number is disconnected", this is a concept album > with the concept missing! I think EC is a great album but it lacks the cohesive vision of previous Kraftwerk albums. I always saw this album as a way for Kraftwerk to hedge its bets: the first side has a techno/house/industrial/hip-hop flavor whereas the second is soupy synth-pop. It's as if Kraftwerk lost the skill to predict the future of electronic music and tried to make music all over the place so that no matter what form became dominant, they would be seen years later as visionary. In retrospect, the first half is the more important, as synth-pop kind of died with the 80s whereas the forms present on the first side lasted far into the 90s. (Hip-hop and techno especially thrived in this past decade.) By this time, Kraftwerk already had an enormous influence on all those genres. Because synthesizer-based music truly became huge for the first time in the early 80s, the music matured and split into numerous sub-genres. Whereas Kraftwerk's earlier albums were primordial enough to have an influence on all those sub-genres, the technology now available to Kraftwerk sort-of forced them to either split the album up and acknowledge all the types of music they influenced or concentrate just on one or a few types. The latter approach would have given the album a more uniform sound, but would have been un-Kraftwerkian to concentrate on a single type of music and ignore everyone else. Especially considering their joy at how so many other diverse people could take Kraftwerk's basic ideas and make something new of them. So the album ends up quite fractured, with no connection between any of the songs, with the exception of the same-sounding first side. In my opinion, the first side is a playful exploration of sounds and voices and beats. The second side isn't quite as fulfilling. "Telephone Call" has some amazing sounds and some cute vocals by Karl, but goes on for too long. The operator voices were also a less-than-brilliant idea. "Sex Object" sounds a little bit too close to a parody of Depeche Mode. "Electric Cafe"? The first time I heard it I thought it was a poor cover of "Trans-Europe Express". The main melody sounds almost identical to the strings in TEE, maybe sped up a bit. That track has grown on me a little though- it does have some really cool sounds. I think electronica has fractured itself enough by now that it actually facilitates a Kraftwerk return. There's no way Kraftwerk can make an album that manages to encompass everything they've influenced, from Dr. Dre to the Chemical Brothers to Aphex Twin to that trash that manages to pass itself off as "pop" these days. People have taken Kraftwerk's ideas so far that their music doesn't sound like Kraftwerk anymore and a lot of people making electronic music now probably have never even heard of KW. I mean, right now the only electronic music being made that sounds remotely like Kraftwerk is pretty much ambient techno along the lines of Orbital. So Kraftwerk doesn't have to worry about a million other bands doing similar stuff like they did in the 80s. A nice ambient techno Kraftwerk concept album about some futuristic idea seems to be in order. :) -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: (kw) Re: Electric Cafe Date: 21 Jan 2000 20:36:02 -0500 By the way, I should have mentioned that from the Techno Pop demos I have heard, they definately should have released that album instead of EC. It was just the thing 1983 needed. Waiting till 86 might have given the album a cleaner sound, but in the light of the musical climate of the mid-80s, the songwriting was not as exceptional as it would have seemed 3 years earlier. Plus, maybe they would have written another album before isolating themselves in Kling Klang for the rest of the decade. Hindsight = 20/20 -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: timebase@gmx.de Subject: (kw) Tickets 9. June EXPO 2000 Date: 22 Jan 2000 00:11:48 +0100 (MET) Hi, where can I get tickets on the web for the KW EXPO concert? Why there is no information regading this concert on www.expo2000.de ? Greetings P.S. The TV performance on RTL was brilliant! Think they easily could have access to more sophisticated robots but I suppose they just want to keep it more bizzarre, and minimalistic like an imperfect men machine... -- Temps Perdu? Buergerstr. 18 D-40219 Duesseldorf Germany Fax: +49-211-3983467 Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (kw) New Ralf Huetter Interview Date: 21 Jan 2000 19:01:16 -0500 God I love hearing this kind of stuff Ralf -the nut case eh? cool -- very cool!! now you've got me wondering about other eccentricities relating to "der mensch maschine" thanks Jim J. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 6:52 PM > > Gubbolf wrote: > >Ralf should really let examine his state of mind. He rather likes to > >be called "Herr Kraftwerk" now and says he feels like a robot. > >Poor man :-( > > Ralf, I mean, "Herr Kraftwerk" is a nutcase, and we all know that. No wonder > why Karl & Wolfgang went separate ways... listening to KW's music is one > thing, but working with this weirdo must be a totally different story. Even > Florian feels the need to go across the street every once in a while for a > drink or two. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Dean" Subject: (kw) CD-Rs Date: 21 Jan 2000 11:52:16 GMT The Model - Retrospective Showroom Dummies 5trk CD-s Can somebody give me the track listing and also if they're good for my KW collection? The only thing I can remember about The Model is that it had Les Mannequins, but I already have that. If they're good then I'd like the CDs on CD-R (trade...) Electric Cafe Espanyola Is this also on CD??? If anyone has it on CD then I am very interested in a CD-R trade!!! (but it should be in good condition; I have it on cassette and the quality sucks!) Also wanted on CD-R: -The Robots (both 1978 and 1991) 7" singles (UK/GER) -Showroom Dummies 7" (the ORIGINAL from 1977, not the 1981 version) -Europe Endless 7" (b-side to TEE?) -Spacelab, Metropolis (alternative b-side versions from 1978) -Numbers 7" remix -Computer Love 7" -The Telephone Call 7" (UK/GER) -Robotnik and/or Robotronik -Exceller8 copied to CD-R (I have the LP) -Elektro Kinetik copied to CD-R -Tour de France - 2e Etappe (from the original 12") -Tour de France 12" (French version, extended mix of the radio version from original 1983 12". Not the Klingklang or Kevorkian version!) -Radioactivity 7" (Kraftwerk's own version, not Orbit. 1991) (UK/GER) -Sex Object 1983 (good quality) -Radioactivity (Orbit HARDCORE mix, not the regular 7/12") I have lots of Kraftwerk for trade, including: -all the regular albums in UK/GER -Les Mannequins, Dentaku, Mini Calculateur -Live (ZKM, TG97, Paris 1981, Concert Classics) -CD singles TDF and E2K -singles from vinyls on CD-R, incl. Kohouteks, TDF German -E2K jingles -Toccatta Electronica so if you're interested then let me know!!! I'm also looking for some Tangerine Dream (similar stuff to Cyclone), Amon Duul (the good stuff) and Neu! (Neu 75, Neu 4). Matt Sellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield 2 will release the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every 4.5 years. One of these radioactive substances, Krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. (Kraftwerk 1991, c 1991 Klingklang) sod that, visit me at www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palace/8922 !!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: (kw) EXPO2000 no 55 in Germany (source:media control) Date: 22 Jan 2000 09:09:00 +0100 see subject Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Tickets 9. June EXPO 2000 Date: 22 Jan 2000 10:08:03 +0100 Because 9th June is no more current. Gubbolf timebase@gmx.de wrote: > > Hi, > > where can I get tickets on the web for the KW EXPO concert? > > Why there is no information regading this concert on www.expo2000.de ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 10:08:25 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Only if they can sell the edition completely. At the moment, copies > with numbers in the region of 1100-1200 are distributed. So we may > guess that they haven't sold much more than 1000 copies yet. Well, by that price... no wonder ;-) > > So in the end it was a good investment. > > This depends on the perspective: > 1) From a strictly economical point of view, (...) so the question remains why they gave so much > money to Kraftwerk without asking any of their popular "ambassadors" > if they would do the job for free. (This question was also raised in > the parliament debate about the jingle). Because they wanted KRAFTWERK and no one else ;-) > 2) From a strictly functional point of view, they bought a jingle > most of their media partners don't want to use, so it was no good > investment in this sense. They haven't realized the symbolic value of KRAFTWERK ;-) > 3) From a strictly artistic point of view, I don't think that it was > a good investment, because other artists might have provided > something more impressive. But not that subtile. > 4) From a strictly PR point of view I agree that it was a good > investment, but mainly because Kraftwerk published the "Expo 2000" > single, which gave the EXPO quite a lot of media coverage. But since > there didn't seem to be concrete plans for such a single release at > the time the EXPO signed Kraftwerk, the EXPO management shouldn't be > praised for a clever PR move. It looks more like good luck. Luck is allowed ;-) > If a public institution deals with public money as if it was peanuts, > it indicates that this institution has got too much public money. Somehow they have to spend all their budget, otherwise they'll get less money the next time ;-) Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 11:13:57 +0000 > From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) > > > 1) From a strictly economical point of view, (...) so the question remains why they gave so much > > money to Kraftwerk without asking any of their popular "ambassadors" > > if they would do the job for free. (This question was also raised in > > the parliament debate about the jingle). > > Because they wanted KRAFTWERK and no one else ;-) I was writing from an economical point of view only, and it is not economical to want somebody for any price. Usually, if public money is invested, there has to be a call for tenders, to honor the constitutional principle of equality and to assure that the best competitor can be chosen. Not so in the EXPO case. > > 2) From a strictly functional point of view, they bought a jingle > > most of their media partners don't want to use, so it was no good > > investment in this sense. > > They haven't realized the symbolic value of KRAFTWERK ;-) The symbolic value of a jingle that isn't used is nil. > > the time the EXPO signed Kraftwerk, the EXPO management shouldn't be > > praised for a clever PR move. It looks more like good luck. > > Luck is allowed ;-) Yes, but to rely on luck is no indication for a sophisticated marketing campaign. > Somehow they have to spend all their budget, otherwise they'll get less > money the next time ;-) Apart from the fact that the EXPO is a one-time event without a "next time", would you say that such a policy is okay? > From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) > > Years ago the TV-Channel "arte" wanted Kraftwerk to compose some > Signations/Jingles for any Programs. No way. How much money did ARTE offer them? Something in the region of DM 400.000? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 13:54:34 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Because they wanted KRAFTWERK and no one else ;-) > > I was writing from an economical point of view only, Sorry, I overlooked this ;-) > The symbolic value of a jingle that isn't used is nil. I wrote "symbolic value of KRAFTWERK", not "jingle". > > Luck is allowed ;-) > > Yes, but to rely on luck is no indication for a sophisticated > marketing campaign. That's true. But nobody is perfect. KRAFTWERK either (from this point of view!!! ;-) > > Somehow they have to spend all their budget, otherwise they'll get less > > money the next time ;-) > > Apart from the fact that the EXPO is a one-time event without a > "next time", would you say that such a policy is okay? No, of course not. But have you noticed following at the end of the lines of my previous posting: ;-) > How much money did ARTE offer them? Something in the region of > DM 400.000? Who knows the answer? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 14:55:56 +0000 > > The symbolic value of a jingle that isn't used is nil. > > I wrote "symbolic value of KRAFTWERK", not "jingle". As I've mentioned before, the EXPO has only bought the jingle, but not the right to promote it as a Kraftwerk product. Kraftwerk have already threatened to sue the EXPO if they continue to promote the jingle as "Kraftwerk jingle"... > > Yes, but to rely on luck is no indication for a sophisticated > > marketing campaign. > > That's true. But nobody is perfect. That's no excuse for poor management. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 22 Jan 2000 15:34:52 +0100 > You know I get sad at the number of people on this list criticising > Kraftwerk for not being futuristic or visionary or innovative. It is exactly > this sort of false image and expectation that will always lead to > disappointment and probably reluctance on the part of Kraftwerk members to > publish music that does not live up to these expectations. > Why can't they just be left to release music that they want to, not music > that has to do something new or innovative. It's not the point if there's more or less high-tech in the KW concept or if the sounds are generated by synths or guitar strings or sampled buckets. IMHO the point is: KW has lost any idea. They seem to be at a loss what to do now. Since 1970 every new KW product contains new ideas; there was always a process of evolution from album to album and from tour to tour. Hearing a new Kling Klang Produkt always meant a surprise. Is it gone? What we see now I would call merely a kind of Punch-and-Judy-show. KW is in urgent danger to turn into a parody of themselves. If you have artists with the intelligence and musical capacity of Ralf and Florian this is simply too poor, and it must be allowed to say this here. carpe noctem Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) New Ralf Huetter Interview Date: 22 Jan 2000 15:34:52 +0100 > I think poor Ralf (Herr Kraftwerk, Senor Roboto, Misuer Mannequin, > whatever) feels very isolated and alone. He's obviously a very sensitive, > introspective person, with all the beautiful music and lyrics he has > composed. I once read that he lives with his sister's family, and that he > had a room built in which the walls and ceiling are all mirrors... His own > little "Hall of Mirrors". I often wonder what he must think about, > sitting alone in that room. Looking back on his life, his choices, his > career, his successes, his mistakes. Perhaps fear is a driving force in > his life. Fear of the future, fear of failure, fear of Kraftwerk's > continued success. Fear of taking chances. Anybody on this list who knows Ralf personally? Anyone who has seen the alleged furniture with own eyes? Anyone who has talked with him about topics like isolation, fear of the future or failure? --- I don't. We should be careful in doing such kind of remote analysis. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 15:45:36 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > From: Rick Jansen > > So in the end it was a good investment. > > This depends on the perspective: > 1) From a strictly economical point of view, even if they should earn > back the entire sum, they could have earned more money if they've > paid less for the jingle, or if they had signed a more popular band. > A number of popular German musicians (the Scorpions, for example) > agreed to do *free* promotion for the EXPO as so-called "EXPO > ambassadors", so the question remains why they gave so much > money to Kraftwerk without asking any of their popular "ambassadors" > if they would do the job for free. (This question was also raised in > the parliament debate about the jingle). I guess the choice for a band like Kraftwerk is controversial. Most people on this mailing list are sort of KW idolaters, but a lot of people think Kraftwerk are quite silly. Fahr'n fahr'n, I'm the operator of my pocket calculator, Vee ah zee Robodhz. Very easy to make fun of Kraftwerk. Apparently it's politically profitable to ask questions about 0.4 MDM. Besides, questions in the German parliament about costs of 400 kDM? Hmm.. I saw a documentary on the Reichstag, with it's wonderful glass dome by world-famous British architect Sir Norman Foster. Costs totaled 600 MDM. Is it worth it to spend that much of taxpayers' money on a ... roof? Apparently it's only human to spend extravagant sums of money for mundane things like jingles or a roof. You can worship your god in a hole in the ground, but you can also build a Sagrada Familia. Question is what do we LIKE better? Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 15:45:59 +0100 > But have you noticed following at the end of the lines of my previous > posting: ;-) > >> How much money did ARTE offer them? Something in the region of >> DM 400.000? > > Who knows the answer? The people at ARTE-TV would do some jumps for joy if they had so much money! Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alexander C. Elz" Subject: (kw) tour de france Date: 22 Jan 2000 16:39:28 +0100 wei=DF jemand von euch wie`s damals eigentlich zum split kam? war wirklic= h die radfahrleidenschaft ein mitgrund zur aufl=F6sung von KW? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 16:28:51 +0100 -ericg- wrote: > > > I think Picasso did not take very long to produce a painting, or > > Vincent van Gogh. A few hours to sketch, first setup the rest of > > the day, finishing touches the next day. Paintings worth millions > > of dollars/DM/Guilders/Euro. > > Yes, but did Picasso ever cease making new paintings for 13 years and then > make a two-day painting? Did he tell everyone he was in the studio every day > for 13 years giving the impression that it's been worked on for the whole > time? And did he try to explain to everyone that he spent most of the time > updating his studio with the best paints? ;) :-)) Well, you should not ask politicians or artists questions that can not be answered without them losing their face. Ask a politician if they ever accepted money and the answer will be no. Ask Kraftwerk if they will release a new album, and the answer is yes. It's none of our business what they do in the privacy of their own studio. Of course we're curious, that's only human too. I can imagine they don't want to be public figures. Whatever you tell the press, it'll be warped and twisted before it reaches the public. (Ask Herr Kohl about this. No better don't, you might get hurt :-) Perhaps the lyrics of The Hall of Mirrors give some insight in their true feelings being an artist in the spot light. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 17:11:32 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > As I've mentioned before, the EXPO has only bought the jingle, but > not the right to promote it as a Kraftwerk product. Kraftwerk have > already threatened to sue the EXPO if they continue to promote the > jingle as "Kraftwerk jingle"... Though everybody knows who made the jingle ;-) > > > Yes, but to rely on luck is no indication for a sophisticated > > > marketing campaign. > > > > That's true. But nobody is perfect. > > That's no excuse for poor management. So who's guilty? KRAFTWERK or the EXPO? Sorry, I've lost the thread. Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stuart & Joe Subject: (kw) Bicycles Date: 22 Jan 2000 08:46:37 -0800 Hello. I'm new to the Kraftwerk-digest (2 days) and have enjoyed the dialogue. I've been a "werkie" since college and "Trans-Europe Express." Thanks for turning me on to Expo 2000 and the Kraftwerk jingle. The things you can learn on the internet! But I couldn't let the Bicycle remark pass: "I mean, originally Ralf wanted to do an ENTIRE ALBUM of bicycle songs, for godsake. That's not exactly the cutting edge of transportation." Here's a news flash: Bicycles ARE the future, out of necessity if nothing else. If you want a planet choking on carbon monoxide and basking in the warmth of excess carbon dioxide, you can have it (and sadly, will probably get it). Me? I ride my bike to work everyday and take the Muni to movies, concerts, shopping, etc. We all have to do what we can to help. Love your mother. Joseph Victor Sieger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 17:52:34 +0000 > From: Rick Jansen > > Besides, questions in the German parliament about costs of 400 kDM? IMO something would be wrong if such questions weren't asked. Anyway, the debate was not about the jingle alone, it was about EXPO mismanagement in general, the jingle being just one illustrious example. > Hmm.. I saw a documentary on the Reichstag, with it's wonderful glass dome > by world-famous British architect Sir Norman Foster. Costs totaled 600 > MDM. Is it worth it to spend that much of taxpayers' money on a ... roof? Good question, but it isn't that extreme: The costs for the roof were "just" 20 MDM, 600 MDM being the costs for the reconstruction of the entire building, as far as I know. But there are some differences to the jingle case: 1) As I've mentioned before, the investment of public money usually requires a call for tenders and/or a competition. In the case of the Reichstag, such a procedure took place, so the decision for Foster's concept was at least more "democratic" than the decision for the jingle. 2) The Reichstag is actually used. Whether the jingle will be ever used for other purposes than rip-off limited CD editions remains to be seen. ;-) 3) Whether people like it or not, the design for the Reichstag roof is something original and creative, while the jingle is very similar to the jingle Kraftwerk did for French Radio Nova in 1991. In other words: Kraftwerk were paid DM 400.000 mainly for changing the words "Radio Nova" into "Expo 2000" and for translating this into various languages... > From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) > > > As I've mentioned before, the EXPO has only bought the jingle, but > > not the right to promote it as a Kraftwerk product. Kraftwerk have > > already threatened to sue the EXPO if they continue to promote the > > jingle as "Kraftwerk jingle"... > > Though everybody knows who made the jingle ;-) Every Kraftwerk fan, yes, but certainly not everybody else. > > That's no excuse for poor management. > > So who's guilty? KRAFTWERK or the EXPO? The EXPO management (IMHO). Kraftwerk would have been stupid if they had missed such a good chance to make some easy money. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 18:15:18 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Though everybody knows who made the jingle ;-) > > Every Kraftwerk fan, yes, but certainly not everybody else. But wasn't it topic in a lot of media in Germany some months ago? Even my boss and colleagues know about and they are certainly no KRAFTWERK-Fans ;-) > > So who's guilty? KRAFTWERK or the EXPO? > > The EXPO management (IMHO). Kraftwerk would have been stupid if they > had missed such a good chance to make some easy money. Okay. From this point of view I agree ;-) Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent Smits" Subject: Re: (kw) German Dance Award Date: 22 Jan 2000 06:18:55 PST >Die deutsche Band Kraftwerk ist beim ersten "German Dance Award" in Hamburg >als beste deutsche Szene-Band aller Zeiten ausgezeichnet worden. Die >Elektronik-Rocker setzten sich gegen Giorgio Moroder, >Underground-Resistance >und Westbam durch. (...) > >quoted from HH1-Text (Teletext of Hamburg1-TV) 20.01.00, p. 119. >see also www.hamburg1.de Underground Resistance is not German, they're a collective from Detroit, or is there another UR in Germany? Also, one of their records there's a track called Afro-Germanic! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mischoulon@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #381 Date: 22 Jan 2000 13:38:15 EST In a message dated 1/22/00 3:19:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << [an indignant gasp emits from the crowd of self-proclaimed experts, many of whom look like "The Comic Book Guy" from "The Simpsons"] >> In the U.S. (for the European members of this group who may not be familiar), the "Comic Book Guy" would commonly be referred to as a "Get-a-Lifer." This comes from a famous comedy sketch on Saturday Night Live, where William Shatner (Catp. Kirk) goes to a Star Trek Convention and tells all the fans to "Get a Life!...It's just a TV show." That skit had a major impact and coined the phrase "Get a Lifer" for people like the comic book guy whose lives revolve around fantasy rather than reality. David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) tour de france Date: 22 Jan 2000 21:53:09 +0100 alel0000@stud.uni-sb.de writes: > >wei=DF jemand von euch wie`s damals eigentlich zum split kam? war wirkli= ch >die radfahrleidenschaft ein mitgrund zur aufl=F6sung von KW? =20 > Wer weiss schon nach einer Trennung, wie=B4s dazu kam, was die wirklich auschlaggebenden Faktoren waren? =20 Im Fall von Kraftwerk: Was es dar=FCber zu erfahren g=E4be, steht in den B=FCchern von Bussy und= Fl=FCr. Wobei Fl=FCr=B4s Buch keine "Geschichte von Kraftwerk" darstellt, sondern eher die Bew=E4ltigung seiner Geschichte mit Kraftwerk. Eine sehr emotionelle, sehr pers=F6nlich gef=E4rbte Sichtweise. Idealisierung einerseits, Verbitterung=20 und Trauer andererseits.=20 =20 Ralf H=FCtter auf die Frage, was denn mit den ehemaligen Mitarbeitern sei (in einem Interview von 1991): Ja,... die arbeiten an... eigenen Projekten. Das war=B4s. =20 >radfahrleidenschaft ein mitgrund zur aufl=F6sung von KW ? Naja, wenn 2 von 4 immer miteinander auf Radtour sind, und die anderen beiden nicht, tr=E4gt das vielleicht nicht gerade zur st=E4rkung des Gruppengef=FChls b= ei. Aber: das ist alles Spekulation und Mutmassung. =20 Tim Rice: "Wenn das Gef=FChl innerhalb der Gruppe nicht mehr stimmt,=20 soll man=B4s bleiben lassen. Sonst wird die Sache zum =C4rgerniss". =20 ---josef =20 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elekktro@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 22 Jan 2000 16:15:52 EST Gunnar Wess wrote: << > > So who's guilty? KRAFTWERK or the EXPO? Klaus Zaepke answered: > The EXPO management (IMHO). Kraftwerk would have been stupid if they > had missed such a good chance to make some easy money. >> The EXPO management is quite chaotic. They don't even know the content and the legal meaning of the contract they made with KRAFTWERK. Elekktro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 23 Jan 2000 01:15:18 +0000 > > > Though everybody knows who made the jingle ;-) > > > > Every Kraftwerk fan, yes, but certainly not everybody else. > > But wasn't it topic in a lot of media in Germany some months ago? I think this has to be put into perspective. Except for the regional Hannover media it wasn't *such* a big story. There were one or two articles in most German newspapers, and even a few TV reports, yes, but most headlines were not "Kraftwerk composes EXPO jingle", they were "EXPO spends DM 400.000 for 3 seconds of music"... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elekktro@aol.com Subject: (kw) Limited edition of EXPO 2000 (No. 869) Date: 22 Jan 2000 19:25:59 EST Yesterday I received my copy of the ltd. edition of EXPO 2000 with the running number 869/4000 printed on it. I thought at least 1000 copies have been sold. Or are they counting down from 4000? Has anyone an idea? I ordered it from "my world" one week ago (I live in Cologne). Hearing it more than 10 times today shows that I'm very happy with the different version of the 2002-mix! It has the missing link of the normal version: groove! And this is a result of many little changes/improvements: more powerful and pumping basedrum (with changing rhythmics), crystal-clear hi-hats (as in the analog mix of Tour the France), additional short-circuit percussion effects (especially at 5:28), more powerful metallic beats with more echo effects (as in Musique Non Stop) and last not least those wonderful syncopated transitions between the different parts which have always been a trademark of KRAFTWERK music (0:59, 1:58, 2:13, 2:35, 3:38, 4:59 ...). ... Those little changes give this mix a more organic feeling compared to the rather synthetic sounding regular 2002-mix (minimal changes - maximal effects!). To me the difference between these two versions of the 2002-mix is similar to that between the demo version and the album version of Sex Object. But I think this time it's vice versa: first they produced the version on the ltd. edition and decided then to create a modern sounding minimalistic version for the release of the regular EXPO 2000 single. Elekktro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 23 Jan 2000 01:50:45 +0100 k_z@gmx.de writes: > >How much money did ARTE offer them? Something in the region of >DM 400.000? > Oh, I thought YOU are the one who knows everything... Just call arte and ask them. > ---josef MS.: (pardon, do you have a DM 400 000-Problem?...) > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: ARTE (was: Re(2): (kw) EXPO Jingle) Date: 23 Jan 2000 02:17:59 +0000 > >How much money did ARTE offer them? Something in the region of > >DM 400.000? > > Oh, I thought YOU are the one who knows everything... It seems that your thought was erroneous. > Just call arte and ask them. Not necessary, it was a rhetorical question. As Jan Reetze already pointed out, ARTE doesn't have the money. And there we may have the reason why Kraftwerk turned them down. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Angelo" Subject: (kw) DVD Date: 23 Jan 2000 00:50:16 -0200 Hi Werkers? Is there some material from Kraftwerk in DVD? ============================================ //////////ANGELO///////////////////// angelo@urbi.com.br Miguel Angelo C. Praça////// http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ICQ: 11606126 /////////////////////// ============================================ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: (kw) "I 'ef weetoined" Date: 22 Jan 2000 23:22:02 -0500 Cozumel was all that, and I'm sad to be back in the freezing cold weather of NYC. 387+ messages later, I WANT SUMMER! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) Expo 2k Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:28:38 -0000 "You know I get sad at the number of people on this list criticising Kraftwerk for not being futuristic or visionary or innovative. It is = exactly this sort of false image and expectation that will always lead to disappointment and probably reluctance on the part of Kraftwerk members = to publish music that does not live up to these expectations. Why can't they just be left to release music that they want to, not = music that has to do something new or innovative. I like expo 2000 I don't give a shit if it does not sound in the future = or in the past. The pedestal that kraftwerk are put on in my opinion does more harm = than good and is altogether counter productive. If you like the music buy it, if not leave it alone" Will that was the voice of reason speaking there!The most sensible = message for ages.=20 Have had the internet versions of the E2K tracks on my pc for a while = but went out and purloined the single yesterday from Tower records on = import (=A310.99). Apparently it is available in two weeks on non import = (christ what IS the opposite of import?) I must say the dance version (2002) is f***ing brilliant - do like it. = Looks like the new album will be called Planet of Visions (old news) Small article in the Face magazine about the robots being in situ at = the Haus der Geschichte in Bonn until 26 Marz. The picture showed them = wearing the TRON suits. As luck would have it i am going to Bonn for Fasching = (sp?) on 6 Marz. Question 1 . Is this old news ? I can't remeber hearing it before. Question 2 . Any reccomendations as to what to do or where to go in = Koln and Bonn during Fasching Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) DVD Date: 23 Jan 2000 04:34:59 -0800 (PST) KW has NOTHING out on DVD. :-( ===== Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: (kw) E2K mp3s Date: 23 Jan 2000 15:43:43 +0200 Hmm... looks like I am the only person here who haven't yet heard new Expo2000 tracks. Are they available on the Net anywhere? Cheers, Eugene. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 23 Jan 2000 18:22:38 +0100 On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:07:32 -0500, Charles Watkins, Jr. wrote: >Maybe >KW should release an album with Ralf & Florian playing "Classical" >instruments, I'm sure they still remember how. Great idea, I'd love it. I'm a big fan (and still bigger & bigger) of the Ralf & Florian album. & also of the song MorgenSpazieren , this one always brings me tears, it's almost like a song for children and it's so bautiful. ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 23 Jan 2000 18:32:59 +0100 On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:14:33 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >At least they were considered very respectable until Wolfgang Fluer >published his book. ;-) I really hope this book will see the light in English in the future. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:38:42 -0500 > Great idea, I'd love it. > > I'm a big fan (and still bigger & bigger) of the Ralf & Florian album. > > & also of the song MorgenSpazieren , this one always brings me tears, it's almost like a song for children and it's so bautiful. ! Ralf and Florian is is one of favorites too, which is why I think it's a cool idea. "Ananas Symphonie" is very relaxing and meandering, a stark contrast to the precision that a lot of KW fans are so used to. BTW, does anyone know of a "Kometenmelodie" single? I heard rumors of one that had longer verisons that the tracks on Autobahn. Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 23 Jan 2000 18:54:25 +0100 On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:52:34 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >while the jingle is very similar >to the jingle Kraftwerk did for French Radio Nova in 1991. In other >words: Kraftwerk were paid DM 400.000 mainly for changing the words >"Radio Nova" into "Expo 2000" and for translating this into various >languages... I suspect you have this "Radio Nova" jingle... Would you mind to make a MP3 of it for all... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Gartner Subject: (kw) You've Got Kraftwerk! Date: 23 Jan 2000 02:32:35 -0500 Does this make Kraftwerk a subsidiary of AOL? ;) http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=quuxpKL9&atmo=99999 999&pg=/et/00/1/23/cnemi23.html Rumor has it the vocoder voice that says "It's more fun to compute" will be changed to say "You've got mail!" and "The Telephone Call" will be replaced in its entirety by 8 minutes of busy signals. -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) I Could Be Wrong, But ...... Date: 23 Jan 2000 13:03:36 GMT I'm sorry guys, but I think we've run the whole Expo arguement into the ground. I thought that we had this whole thing settled a while ago ! As far as I'm concerned, KW fully deserved the DM 400,000. Who gives a shit about how long or creative it was ? Consider it to be a form of back royalties for all of the artists that have ripped them off over the years ; whether it be outright uncredited samples or just a total bastardization of their unique style. Personally, I think KW should cut ties with EMI and make Klingklang a full indie label or just deal with someone else. EMI is slowly turning into a shit label. All they give a fuck about is back catalog from the Beatles and the Beach Boys. It makes me sick to see that everyone cums all over those two horribly shitty bands all the time (*flames gladly welcome*) and still the average kid does not know who KW is. Has anyone read the big EMI 100 coffee table book ? Only two pages feature KW; with very microscopic photos and maybe about a paragraph of backround info on them; noting one of their biggest achievements as being how "The Model" reissue single tore up the UK charts in 1982. Argh !!!! - Josh np: Kristallo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) You've Got Kraftwerk! Date: 23 Jan 2000 14:50:34 -0500 That's damn funny! Did you notice that among EMI's artists, Kraftwerk was not mentioned? Yet they made mention of the Spice Girls and the Rolling Stones? What utter crap! -Chuck > Does this make Kraftwerk a subsidiary of AOL? ;) > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=quuxpKL9&atmo=99999 > 999&pg=/et/00/1/23/cnemi23.html > > Rumor has it the vocoder voice that says "It's more fun to compute" will be > changed to say "You've got mail!" and "The Telephone Call" will be replaced > in its entirety by 8 minutes of busy signals. > > -ericg- > kraftwerk@mac.com > elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 23 Jan 2000 20:15:22 -0000 To reply to Jan's comment .... >>KW has lost any idea. They seem to be at a loss what to >>do now. >>Since 1970 every new KW product contains new ideas; there was always a >>process of evolution from album to album and from tour to tour. Hearing a >>new Kling Klang Produkt always meant a surprise. Jan, I am sorry I just think this attitude that Kraftwerk HAS to be something more than music to enjoy is what seems so counter productive to me. When I bought expo2000 there was no sticker on it saying, "Guaranteed to be visionary, or innovative ) also I don't think their albums really tried to be saying something new either. I don't think trains, car's computer or Robots were new ideas in the 70's and 80's. and I don't really see some sort of master plan in the progression of their music over time. Nor do I think there has to be. I mean going from cars to trains in the 70's to bikes in the 80's does not seem to me to be some sort of great philosophical progression, and to be honest they were not the only people experimenting with electronic music and percussion either. In my humble opinion the only reason why I like kraftwerk is because I LOVE to listen to it. They are not a religion, they make great music. This seems to get lost in the over active Kraftwerk mythology that people seem to need to create. I don't understand why so many people spend so long trying to tell everyone else what kraftwerk think and should do. But I do agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I only wish their releases were more frequent. Ah well... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) RE: PERODICAL RAMBLINGS Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:14:01 -0800 (PST) > THERE IS A GREAT GROUP IN THE UK CALLED "KINETIK". > THEY FIRST PLAYED AT THE AKTIVITAT KRAFTWERK CONVENTIONS A FEW YEARS AGO, > DOING KRAFTWERK COVER VERSIONS. BUT NOW THEY RECORD THERE OWN MATERIAL AND > HAVE HAD A FEW APPEARENCES ON LOCAL RADIO. > CHECK OUT THERE WEBSITE AT: www.lifehouse.force9.co.uk/Kinetik _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) RE: HIP HOP REFERENCES Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:16:56 -0800 (PST) > > i have been a big collecter of old school hip hop and electro records since > the early eighties and i'm also a big kraftwerk fan ( is that possible). > i have a couple of tapes of trax using kraftwerk samples, some very little > and some total rip off. > if anyone would like copies, please e-mail me privatly. > > i am not a mega computer buff so i dont have mp3's > > thanks > clarkyyy!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) RE: HIP HOP REFERENCES Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:17:56 -0800 (PST) > > i have been a big collecter of old school hip hop and electro records since > the early eighties and i'm also a big kraftwerk fan ( is that possible). > i have a couple of tapes of trax using kraftwerk samples, some very little > and some total rip off. > if anyone would like copies, please e-mail me privatly. > > i am not a mega computer buff so i dont have mp3's > > thanks > clarkyyy!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) RE: HIP HOP REFERENCES Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:17:31 -0800 (PST) > > i have been a big collecter of old school hip hop and electro records since > the early eighties and i'm also a big kraftwerk fan ( is that possible). > i have a couple of tapes of trax using kraftwerk samples, some very little > and some total rip off. > if anyone would like copies, please e-mail me privatly. > > i am not a mega computer buff so i dont have mp3's > > thanks > clarkyyy!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) Expo 2k Date: 23 Jan 2000 22:05:19 +0100 David Holton schrieb: > (...) Looks > like the new album will be called Planet of Visions (old news) No. "Planet of visions" is an multi-media installation by Francois Schuiten at the EXPO 2000-area and has IMO nothing to do with an forthcoming (?) Kraftwerk-Album. Greetings from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 23 Jan 2000 22:28:40 +0100 I own a Kometenmelodie single. After changing apartment recently we have no turntable installed, so I can't check if there's any difference in the recording. /Joakim -----Original Message----- ...BTW, does anyone know of a "Kometenmelodie" single? I heard rumors of one that had longer verisons that the tracks on Autobahn... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: Re: (kw) Limited edition of EXPO 2000 (No. 869) Date: 24 Jan 2000 08:59:49 +1100 What you wrote below sounds great, now if you'd be so kind would you mp3 it for us who do not have that much money in our pockets? Please? Kind regards, Vladimir Elekktro@aol.com wrote: > > Yesterday I received my copy of the ltd. edition of EXPO 2000 with the > running number 869/4000 printed on it. I thought at least 1000 copies have > been sold. Or are they counting down from 4000? Has anyone an idea? > I ordered it from "my world" one week ago (I live in Cologne). > > Hearing it more than 10 times today shows that I'm very happy with the > different version of the 2002-mix! It has the missing link of the normal > version: groove! And this is a result of many little changes/improvements: > more powerful and pumping basedrum (with changing rhythmics), > crystal-clear hi-hats (as in the analog mix of Tour the France), > additional short-circuit percussion effects (especially at 5:28), > more powerful metallic beats with more echo effects (as in Musique Non > Stop) > and last not least those wonderful syncopated transitions between the > different parts which have always been a trademark of KRAFTWERK music > (0:59, 1:58, 2:13, 2:35, 3:38, 4:59 ...). > ... > Those little changes give this mix a more organic feeling compared to the > rather synthetic sounding regular 2002-mix (minimal changes - maximal > effects!). > > To me the difference between these two versions of the 2002-mix is similar to > that between the demo version and the album version of Sex Object. But I > think this time it's vice versa: first they produced the version on the ltd. > edition and decided then to create a modern sounding minimalistic version for > the release of the regular EXPO 2000 single. > > Elekktro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Jansen Subject: Re: (kw) I Could Be Wrong, But ...... Date: 23 Jan 2000 23:48:38 +0100 "juno ." wrote: > Personally, I think KW should cut ties with EMI and make Klingklang a full > indie label or just deal with someone else. Apparently there is not much to do for a record company regarding Kraftwerk, as they aren't really signed to EMI as other bands. KW keeps the rights to themselves, while most bands hand over the rights to the record company. You can see this if you look at your CD's, there is always a notice (c) and (p) by Kraftwerk, while with other bands the notice reads (c) and (p) by the record company. As far as I know only Kate Bush does this too, but I'm sure there are others. Bowie probably. This way the record company has not much (no) say in what KW have to produce, like an album a year. I guess EMI is not much more than a distribution and marketing channel for Kraftwerk. As long as the records sell this probably is fine for EMI, but EMI probably won't go as far as to market Kraftwerk very intensively. Rick Jansen -- Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ email: rja@euronet.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) warehouse of dreams Date: 23 Jan 2000 22:46:46 GMT genau... matthew np: electric cafe :) Jan, I am sorry I just think this attitude that Kraftwerk HAS to be something more than music to enjoy is what seems so counter productive to me. When I bought expo2000 there was no sticker on it saying, "Guaranteed to be visionary, or innovative ) also I don't think their albums really tried to be saying something new either. I don't think trains, car's computer or Robots were new ideas in the 70's and 80's. and I don't really see some sort of master plan in the progression of their music over time. Nor do I think there has to be. I mean going from cars to trains in the 70's to bikes in the 80's does not seem to me to be some sort of great philosophical progression, and to be honest they were not the only people experimenting with electronic music and percussion either. In my humble opinion the only reason why I like kraftwerk is because I LOVE to listen to it. They are not a religion, they make great music. This seems to get lost in the over active Kraftwerk mythology that people seem to need to create. I don't understand why so many people spend so long trying to tell everyone else what kraftwerk think and should do. But I do agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I only wish their releases were more frequent. Ah well... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary pedoto" Subject: (kw) Expo 2000 Date: 23 Jan 2000 17:53:02 EST I've been reading about the German government's disappointment with the Expo 2000 jingle. It's nice to see that the German's have an idiotic government just like we have here in America. Krafwterk is commissioned to write a jingle and they do so. Then there is an uproar because the goverment feels they didn't get their money's worth because of the minimalist nature of the jingle. What were they expecting from Kraftwerk? If you hire Kraftwerk to write something for you, you get a Kraftwerk song. Personally, except for that track 3 fiasco, I think the Expo 2000 CD is great. I think it's perfect for the occasion and it reminds me of Kraftwerk in their Radio-Activity/Man-Machine period. As for everyone complaining that they expected "more" and that Kraftwerk's sound is outdated; I think that's ridiculous. How many times can a group be "ground breaking"? Kraftwerk is the standard. They have influenced so much music, good, and unfortunately bad and they rarely receive the credit they deserve. Expo 2000 is what it is; a great new Kraftwerk song. The only thing wrong with the new Expo CD is the inclusiuon of that horrible track 3. Even Kraftwerk can make mistakes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) Vinilmania Date: 24 Jan 2000 00:43:22 +0100 Is there anyone on list that in February will come at Vinilmania in Milan? If so, mail me privately, thank you. Didi di.di@tiscalinet.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Didi Subject: (kw) Viva2 Date: 24 Jan 2000 00:37:16 +0100 Days ago someone posted a message in which said that on Tuesday, 25 on Viva2 there'll be a special on Krautrock or something similar. Do you know what exactly and the right our? Thanx, Didi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Viva2 Date: 24 Jan 2000 11:25:13 +0100 VIVAZWEI, January 25th, 11:00pm/23:00 MET, "WAH2" (Themenabend Düsseldorf) Gubbolf Didi schrieb: > > Days ago someone posted a message in which said that on Tuesday, 25 on > Viva2 there'll be a special on Krautrock or something similar. > Do you know what exactly and the right our? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar.Wess@t-online.de (Wess) Subject: Re: (kw) Limited edition of EXPO 2000 (No. 869) Date: 24 Jan 2000 11:26:28 +0100 Do you believe we have so much money that we can affort a lawsuit because of violation of copyright? Gubbolf Vladimir Tittl schrieb: > > What you wrote below sounds great, now if you'd be so kind would you mp3 > it for us who do not have that much money in our pockets? Please? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com Subject: (kw) Re: MP3 Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:18:03 +0100 "William Talley" wrote: >>And I suppose that you also believe that the internet is your personal forum for stealing software/music/etc? Guns are only for killing? Food is only for sex? Geeze... Are you Scottish? << Bill, don't you like Scots? Regarding my mail: I was only wondering why people very often steal the music and say it's OK because they rob rich. I don't buy any illegal-stuff, I like bootlegs becase I can find e.g. "Tribal Gathering" track this way. It's always puzzling me when I see such mail on the list: "great! they've released new single, does anybody have MP3s of it on website to download?". I ask: why they (=Kraftwerk fans) don't buy the original? I'm really worry that internet and free (=stolen) MP3 will kill the music. Of course, it's OK if some generous owner shares some rare, unavailable stuff with the rest of list members! For those about to share (I salute you)!!! And I think artist such as Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple or Jean-Michel Jarre deserved to be rich! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:18:09 +0100 Who says KRAFTWERK isn't perfect?!?!?! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) these magic 400.000 Deutschmarks Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:53:04 +0100 It seems to me that some people on this list have lost the standards (or just don't know anything about). So, just to give an impression about the usual fees for composing film music or tv-jingles in germany: An average german TV movie with a duration of 90 minutes is usually made with a production budget around 1.500.000 DM. In most cases there are 20 to 30 minutes of music needed for such a kind of movie. Usually 5 percent of the production budget is spent for the music - this is approximately 75.000 DM. But this amount includes not only the fee for the composer! He has to pay additional session musicians and (if needed) an orchestra, and has to rent the recording studio. So, if the composer is a lucky one, he has 25.000 or 30.000 DM left - for composing, arranging and playing 20 or 30 minutes of music. That's the standard. If you are the owner of a bigger name - let's say Klaus Doldinger or Harold Faltermayer - you may ask for more. And there are higher-classed productions, like TATORT series or something like that. And there are movies made for cinema. They have higher budgets. But NEVER, I bet, a german tv station or film production company has payed more than 100.000 DM for a complete soundtrack. (In comparison: For 500.000 DM the London Symphony Orchestra will record a complete Mahler Symphony.) If we talk about JINGLES: You're a VERY lucky one if someone pays 15.000 DM for a commercial spot or a radio station spot. The fees for this kind of music usually moves between 5.000 and 10.000 DM. And, BTW: Maybe for some people 400.000 Deutschmarks is peanuts. To earn an amount in this order a Karstadt shop assistent has to work about eight years. carpe noctem Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Limited edition of EXPO 2000 (No. 869) Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:56:33 +0100 hmmm. your excuse is just stupid. I even would have prefered if you told us "No, sorry, I paid DM100 from my own money for the limited CDSingle so I don't want to make copies" A reply like this one would have the big advantage of being honest. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) various opinions (not that you give a damn or anything ;-) Date: 24 Jan 2000 09:41:35 GMT 1) EXPO 2000 (2002 MIX) Okay, why does everyone seem to hate this mix so much ? I really love it; the only thing that it needs is a louder mix of the hi-hats and bass drum. The only fault (IMO) that KW has made is that some of their tracks lack bass. I think that it's safe for me to say that this was the reason why everyone disliked EC so much; the classic, watery bass lines weren't there (with the exception of the Telephone Call 12"). 2) EMI/WEA MERGER The AOL comment was very funny. :-) But I think that it would be more likely if Microsoft/MSN snatched them up. I remember someone mentioning a while ago that Bill Gates said in an interview that KW was his favorite group. I had been hearing rumors of this pairing for a while. So now we have the "Four Horsemen" instead of "The Big Six". I guess Sony will be left in the dust now that Celine has left and if Jacko truly retires as well after his next album. Of course if KW puts out their new album soon, that will keep them alive somehow through their new publishing arrangement. 3) DIE ROBOTER OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES Is it just me, or should KW be in a film ? I could picture them as being really good actors since they have such amazing stage presence and good looks. Would make for a kick-ass action or thriller flick. - Josh NP : Electric Cafe (how ironic, huh ?) ;-P ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) Slightly OT : More label crap/speculation Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:46:16 GMT In my last mail, I forgot to mention BMG in the whole merger shuffle I was talking about. That still makes four companies though. I also read an article on Expo 2000 in Billboard's news archives, and according to them, KW's US deal with Elektra has officially expired. Maybe it's time to go back with Polygram like the early days ? Although Philips wouldn't work; they only put out classical stuff now. As for Vertigo, their US offices closed a long time ago. All they do now is license Metallica's catalog for the world outside of North America and Japan. AFAIK, no one else is signed to the label. - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andréas Hagström" Subject: (kw) (KW) Radio Nova jingel Date: 24 Jan 2000 07:42:40 PST Klaus Zaepke wrote: "Whether people like it or not, the design for the Reichstag roof is something original and creative, while the jingle is very similar to the jingle Kraftwerk did for French Radio Nova in 1991. In other words: Kraftwerk were paid DM 400.000 mainly for changing the words "Radio Nova" into "Expo 2000" and for translating this into various languages..." I=B4ve never heard about this jingel before. Can I find an audiofile some= where=20 to update my knowledge of jingels made by KW? /Andr=E9as ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) Radio Nova jingel Date: 24 Jan 2000 12:03:36 -0500 Go to www.expo2000.de You can download it there. It's basically just the "Expo 2000" vocoded words from the single. Chuck > I=B4ve never heard about this jingel before. Can I find an audiofile somewhere > to update my knowledge of jingels made by KW? > > /Andr=E9as # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Familie de Haan Subject: (kw) E2K in dutch chart (on #4!!!) Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:08:51 +0100 Outlaw 41 24 januari 2000: -------------------------- 0 0 0 Smashing Pumpkins - Standing inside your love 1 7 -- Bush - Letting the cables sleep 2 4 11 Kid Rock - Only God Knows Why 3 5 -- Junkie XL - Love like razorblade 4 8 18 Kraftwerk - Expo 2000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rochow@pixelmagic.com Subject: Re[2]: (kw) EXPO Jingle Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:05:24 -0500 >I can imagine they don't want to be public figures. >Whatever you tell the press, it'll be warped and twisted >before it reaches the public. (Ask Herr Kohl about >this. No better don't, you might get hurt :-) H. Kohl is also the only politician I've ever heard with the press "warping" the audio track of his voice: The fairly humourless German "political satirists" of the day used his somewhat low voice and slight tendency to sound mumbling as a point of pseudo-funny attack. This had gone on for years in the late 80s, when I saw a brief "friendly debate" between him and Willy Brandt (ex-head of state, with the then opposition party SPD) - they both took turns speaking, and Kohl's voice sounded weirdly muffled as usual - turning up the volume revealed that whenever it was his turn, the high frequencies (and associated hiss noise) just went dead... I never saw this mentioned anywhere, but at least in this instance, it certainly happened. (Sometimes the change would be done too early or too late, with him getting treble or the other guy getting bass-only, which proves that it was not caused by bad microphone placement.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) various opinions (not that you give a damn or anything Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:55:15 -0500 > 1) EXPO 2000 (2002 MIX) > > Okay, why does everyone seem to hate this mix so much ? I like the fact that it's a little more experimental. I loathe the fact that it's cheesy, disco-like, and essentially borrows the percussion from Musique Non Stop. It surprises me how some people on the list love it and others hate it; it's a very polarizing track. And I actually thought EC was pretty good bass-wise. > 2) EMI/WEA MERGER > > The AOL comment was very funny. :-) > > But I think that it would be more likely if Microsoft/MSN snatched them up. > I remember someone mentioning a while ago that Bill Gates said in an > interview that KW was his favorite group. I don't know whether this makes me hate Microsoft less or question my own love of Kraftwerk... I wonder why they didn't use "It's More Fun To Compute" instead of "Start Me Up"... in any case, I think that was more a parody/speculation on the part of a foreign magazine, as far as I know, the only *Kling Klang* he's familiar with is coming from his coin-filled pockets. > 3) DIE ROBOTER OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES > > Is it just me, or should KW be in a film ? I could picture them as being > really good actors since they have such amazing stage presence and good > looks. Would make for a kick-ass action or thriller flick. Well, the boys kinda hate being in the spotlight, but bald Florian in those sunglasses does get me thinking. Florian as a superhero named SuperMenschmaschine flying around on his turbo-bike and fighting radiation? Sounds like a hero for the new millennium to me. But the big question is: Could he conjure up enough superpowers to actually make a new album? I think this power may be even beyond SuperMenschmaschine's grasp. Exact release dates are like Kryptonite to him. -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) EXPO2000 Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:58:24 -0500 Well, I've made a complete reversal. Upon first listening, I had a negative reaction to the 2000 CD. Well, not negative because even BAD (were there such a thing) Kraftwerk is better than most bands. I now think all 4 mixes are good, and each listening reveals new detail and nuance. Kinda wish it came with the video, but all in all, it is yet another good "produkt". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: Re: (kw) these magic 400.000 Deutschmarks Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:19:22 +0100 Jan Reetze schrieb: > It seems to me that some people on this list have lost the standards (or > just don't know anything about). So, just to give an impression about the > usual fees for composing film music or tv-jingles in germany: > (...) > And, BTW: Maybe for some people 400.000 Deutschmarks is peanuts. To earn an > amount in this order a Karstadt shop assistent has to work about eight > years. Okay, that's right. But: (minimalistic) art is often "expensive" and if you critisise the (mis) use of - public - money in this area, you also have to think that there is (mis) use of - public - money in other areas too: E.g. Politics or millitary and so on. But IMO it seems to be "more okay" to buy e.g. some new tanks or wapons for the Bundeswehr then to "buy" art. IMO it's not only enough to critisise art, if we critisise the (mis) use of - public - money, we should talk about in generally. However, this in OT here and the thread is going senseless... . Greetings from vienna, Georgie -- * "Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhythms all around..." * * Heute Abend aus Deutschland: Die Mensch Maschine - KRAFTWERK * * Georg Jajus (Vienna/Austria) phone/SMS: +436765621850 * * ICQ: 53829477 http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: (kw) Several responses Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:44:04 -0800 Instead of sending four messages to the list, here's one message with replies to various threads: >Apparently it's only human to spend extravagant sums of money for mundane >things like jingles or a roof. You can worship your god in a hole in the >ground, but you can also build a Sagrada Familia. Question is what do we >LIKE better? This reminds me of a Residents song: "God of the Darkness, God of the Soul, God of the deep, dark, friendly hole. God of the Unseen, cloudy and dim, God of the Hiding, hear this hymn." Anybody like the Residents? This relates in some respect to a previous thread about Kraftwerk basically being expected to come up with a concept album every time, and if they just have a collection of songs (like "Electric Cafe") then they've suddenly "lost their vision". Well, I think that always having to have a theme can be detrimental. Almost all of the Residents' albums are concept albums, but it wears thin after a while. There's nothing wrong with releasing a random collection of songs! >But I couldn't let the Bicycle remark pass: "I mean, originally Ralf wanted >to do an ENTIRE ALBUM of bicycle songs, for godsake. That's not exactly the >cutting edge of transportation." Here's a news flash: Bicycles ARE the >future, >out of necessity if nothing else. If you want a planet choking on carbon >monoxide and basking in the warmth of excess carbon dioxide, you can >have it (and sadly, will probably get it). I couldn't agree with you more! When I wrote the comment about bicycles, I meant they wern't futuristic in the sense that they're a more classical technology, in contrast to a "futuristic" method of transportation like a flying car. In other words, I wasn't concerned with where the technology was going, as much as where it came from (a couple hundred years ago). As for excess carbon dioxide, we're already there... >Yesterday I received my copy of the ltd. edition of EXPO 2000 with the >running number 869/4000 printed on it. I thought at least 1000 copies have >been sold. Or are they counting down from 4000? Has anyone an idea? >I ordered it from "my world" one week ago (I live in Cologne). Numbered products are not necessarily sold in sequential order, with the first sale being # 0001 and the last sale being #4000. I assume that the limited edition "Expo 2000" disc is available from more than one source; logically, they would have to break up the chronological order of the numbers by shipping a case somewhere else. There may be a store that has a case containing #3200 through #3300. Once the discs are taken out of the box and put on the shelf, the first sale might be #3245. So you can't tell how many have been sold by looking at the edition number! >If we talk about JINGLES: You're a VERY lucky one if someone pays 15.000 DM >for a commercial spot or a radio station spot. The fees for this kind of >music usually moves between 5.000 and 10.000 DM. Michael Jackson got several MILLION dollars for his "Pepsi" ads back in the 80's. So paying large, non-scale amounts to celebrities isn't that unusual. But Michael's hair caught on fire during one of the TV spots, so maybe he deserved more money for having his head engulfed in flame. Although I imagine Florian wouldn't have to worry too much about that. :> ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Slightly OT : More label crap/speculation Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:23:19 -0500 >>> Maybe it's time to go back with PolyGram like the early days? <<< There is no more PolyGram. It was bought in 1998 by Seagram, who owns MCA, and merged it into the new Universal Music Group. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Electric Cafe Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:12:51 -0800 >By the way, I should have mentioned that from the Techno Pop demos I have >heard, they definately should have released that album instead of EC. It was >just the thing 1983 needed. Waiting till 86 might have given the album a >cleaner sound, but in the light of the musical climate of the mid-80s, the >songwriting was not as exceptional as it would have seemed 3 years earlier. >Plus, maybe they would have written another album before isolating >themselves in Kling Klang for the rest of the decade. Yes. Yes yes yes. The 4-minute "Techno-Pop" demo still gives me chills when I listen to it. Brilliant. I've only heard the "Sex Object" demo once or twice, but I loved how upbeat it was. Want to hear a crackpot theory? I suspect that the track "Housephone" from the "Telephone Call" 12" single may be a remnant from the original "Techno-Pop" album. Maybe it's the early version of "Telephone Call", or an early remix? The reason I say this is because of the percussion. Listen to it carefully. Those are NOT "Electric Cafe"-era percussive sounds. Those are very much "Tour De France" percussion sounds! ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: (kw) SHOWROOM DUMMIES Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:16:12 -0800 (PST) IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES WHEN KRAFTWERK HAD THERE No 1 IN THE UK ,EMI RE-RELEASED SHOWROOM DUMMIES WITH NUMBERS AS THE B-SIDE. I HAVE A 7" COPY WITH THE LABEL PRINTED AS NUMBERS ON THE B-SIDE BUT IT PLAYS THE MODEL INSTEAD. DO ANY OTHER MEMBERS HAVE THIS RECORD OR KNOW HOW MANY WERE MIS PRESSED? _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Tittl Subject: Re: (kw) Limited edition of EXPO 2000 (No. 869) Date: 25 Jan 2000 09:44:14 +1100 OK, mixed up my mailing lists, I will post it to the other one, where there are these types of requests every week. > Do you believe we have so much money that we can affort a lawsuit > because of violation of copyright? How many people that 'released' bootlegs have been hunted down? We're not even talking releasing! This is for listening only, same as making copies onto cassette, that 'is' legal, can't see why mp3 should be any different, the quality is not good enough to reconvert to wav, so what is the big deal? And if some folk happen to be either rich or stupid to pay that much for a single and don't want to share it around, that is up to them I suppose. Someone will, more likely sooner than later, perhaps the person that had their monther pay for it ;-) VT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spacolley@aol.com Subject: (kw) Come%20and%20join%20the%20Kraftwerk%20IRC%20Channel! Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:04:20 EST I see many posters here would like to see Ralf & Florian go in a classical or acoustic direction. One thing the've never done is to cover songs of other bands. I would love to hear a Kraftwerkian version of "Good Vibrations", "Purple Haze", "Fever", "Heartbreak Hotel", and "Gloria". Yes, Electro-Oldies! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) Come%20and%20join%20the%20Kraftwerk%20IRC%20Channel! Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:16:47 -0500 I don't know if I'd like to hear all those songs. A KW version of a few Beach boys songs done as an EP might be cool. -Chuck > I see many posters here would like to see Ralf & Florian go in a classical or > acoustic direction. One thing the've never done is to cover songs of other > bands. I would love to hear a Kraftwerkian version of "Good Vibrations", > "Purple Haze", "Fever", "Heartbreak Hotel", and "Gloria". Yes, Electro-Oldies! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Re: MP3 Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:45:47 +0200 On 24-Jan-00 A.D., Tomasz_KIRMUC@tdk-lu.com carved the following runes about "(kw) Re: MP3": > Regarding my mail: I was only wondering why people very often steal the > music and say it's OK because they rob rich. I don't buy any > illegal-stuff, I like bootlegs becase I can find e.g. "Tribal Gathering" > track this way. What do you mean, you like bootlegs but you don't buy them? Bootlegs are (generally) illegal, aren't they? > It's always puzzling me when I see such mail on the list: "great! they've > released new single, does anybody have MP3s of it on website to > download?". I ask: why they (=Kraftwerk fans) don't buy the original? Partially because there's usually weeks between the releases of a new single in different parts of the world. I downloaded the Expo2k singles as MPEG-audio because I was curious of what they were like before the CD single was released here in Sweden. Naturally I later bought the CD. Another reason might be that we already own/plan to buy the original, but we want it as MPEG-audio as well for fast & easy listening with our computers or portable MPEG-audio players. > I'm really worry that internet and free (=stolen) MP3 will kill the music. IMHO I don't think you have to worry. I even think it will promote quality (of course I'm subjective! ;)) since those who really care about what they listen to or have a distinct taste probably will be buying the originals anyways. I also believe that in some cases the record industry could benefit from MPEG-audio spreading. I have often d/l'd an MPEG-audio file of something I've never heard of before and then bought the record, since I wanted to own something with a pretty cover that I could hold in my hands, with full CD quality sound. Without hearing the MPEG-audio file I don't think I'd even had bothered to find out what the specific artist sounded like in the first place. > Of course, it's OK if some generous owner shares some rare, unavailable > stuff with the rest of list members! For those about to share (I salute > you)!!! I agree. If the music isn't for sale on record, I don't see how anybody could lose anything on MPEG-audio files being spread. -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: SV: (kw) Re: MP3 Date: 25 Jan 2000 04:26:46 +0100 Emanuel Mair wrote: >I agree. If the music isn't for sale on record, I don't see how anybody >could lose anything on MPEG-audio files being spread. Actually this is not only a financial debate. You dont hurt anyone = (directly) buy distributing music that is not available elsewere = officially, but you still violate the rights of the artist. You all know = about copyrights, right? Part of this is the right to control copying = (hence the word copyright), that is - the artist has the right to decide = how his/hers music is being used. "Do we release it on record, on video, = as MP3 on the net or throw it in the drawer of bad songs?" This may not = seem like a big violation, but its in fact theft of (intelectual) = property. Would you like if someone stole your ideas? all the best, glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 06:17:27 +0100 Hey all, "Emusic" has now been heavily updated for January with lots of new stuff = including JMJ concert report and 4 new sections. ALL old sections have = been updated all well. There is a review of Expo 2000 in the reviews section, and some info = about the new KW album (not groundbreaking news to this list, but its = there) Visit www.itsahit.com/emusic edition 2 now and until end of February. all the best, glenn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Expo2K official release date Date: 25 Jan 2000 15:04:29 +0100 According to the radio program Siglo 21 (Radio 3 Spain) the world-wide official release date (except for Germany, of course) of the "Expo 2000" record will be on March 6th. And at the end of May it will be published the whole album. David Holton wrote: >christ what IS the opposite of import? Export. ;-) DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Compilations Date: 25 Jan 2000 15:04:04 +0100 According to an on-line music catalogue Kraftwerk are also included on the following compilations: Break Dancin' To Da' Old School by Various Artists $8.27 - 13.57 Song List: 120 BPM - Old School Players; Clear - Cybotron; DJ Scratch - Bass 305; Planet Rock - Afrika Bambataa & The Soulsonic Force (instrumental); Poppin' - D.J. Trippy;... Facts: Available Formats: CD, Cassette; Original Release Date: 09/15/1998; Label: DM Records; Stereo; 80's New Wave Vol. 2: Electronic 80's by Various Artists $4.75 - 6.99 Song List: Cars - Gary Numan; Da Da Da I Don't Love You You Don't Love Me Aha Aha Aha - Trio; Tainted Love - Soft Cell; Oh Yeah - Yello; She Blinded Me With Science - Thomas Dolby;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 08/03/1999; Label: Universal Special Markets; Stereo; Groove 103.1: The Hypnotic 12"... by Sean Rubio $12.97 - 13.73 Song List: Slinky - Kinder Atom; Rubber Jazz - Lazer Caps; Path, The - Kraftwerk; Deranged - Kraftwerk (Uberzone mix); Gearboxing - LCD;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 07/28/1998; Label: Cleopatra; Stereo; People Mover by The Elevator Drops $7.32 - 11.07 Song List: Sentimental Love; Coke & Amphetamines; Right Back Home; Tokyo Techno; Proto;... Facts: Available Formats: Vinyl, CD, Cassette; Original Release Date: 10/14/1997; Label: Time Bomb Recordings; Stereo; Space Daze: A 2 Hour Mind Journey Of Electronic... by Various Artists $14.34 - 16.99 Song List: Space Lab - Kraftwerk; Here Come The Warm Jets - Brian Eno; Star Too Far (Lullaby For Syd), A - Psychic TV & Thee Angels Of Light; Silver Bird - Pressurehed / Mastodon - Pressurehed; Adjust Me - Hawkwind;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 10/18/1994; Label: Cleopatra; Stereo; New Electronic Moods by Various Artists $10.99 - 13.02 Song List: Ek-Statis - Air Liquide (NYC BASS mix); Weather Smasher - Slab; Feel The Kraft-Werk - G:Netic; Haunted Kind - Omni Trio; Jack In Your Bed - DJ Silver;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 10/15/1996; Label: Sm:)e; Stereo; Electronic Dance Classics 3CD Set [Box] by Various Artists $12.97 - 14.20 Song List: Spineless Jelly - Future Sound Of London; In A Gentle Mood - Nature; Wind Of Change - Hawkwind; Papua New Guinea - Future Sound Of London (Dub mix); Out Of The Blue - Roxy Music;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 08/03/1999; Label: Alpha Wave; Stereo; This Is Space by Various Artists $19.07 - 19.99 Song List: Spacelab - Kraftwerk; Here Comes The Warm Jets - Brian Eno; Omniman (Remix) - Download; A Star Too Far (Lullaby For Syd) - Psychic TV And Thee Angels Ov Light; Silver Bird - Pressurehed Mastodon - Pressurehed;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 04/29/1997; Label: Cleopatra; Stereo; National Express (Set A) [Single] by The Divine Comedy $6.47 - 7.97 Song List: National Express - (radio edit); Going Down Hill Fast - (acoustic version); Radioactivity - (unreleased Kraftwerk studio version); Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 03/23/1999; Label: Setanta; Stereo; The Industrial Revolution: 2nd Edition by Various Artists Song List: Feurio! - Einsturzende Neubauten (remix); Winnebago Induced Tapeworm - Pigface (remix); Dig It - Skinny Puppy; Desert Storm - Klute (remix); Codeine, Glue And You - Chemlab;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: 04/01/1994; Label: Cleopatra; Stereo; The Industrial Revolution: 1st Edition by Various Artists Song List: Feurio! - Einsturzende Neubaten (remix); Mindphazer - Front Line Assembly; Winnebago Induced Tapeworm - Pigface (remix); Caught In The Act - Voice Of Destruction; Dig It - Skinny Puppy;... Facts: Available Formats: CD; Original Release Date: n/a; Label: Cleopatra; Stereo; DER AUTOMAT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Enrique Correa Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk going acoustic Date: 25 Jan 2000 08:28:11 -0700 Spacolley@aol.com wrote: >I see many posters here would like to see Ralf & Florian go in a >classical or acoustic direction. One thing the've never done is to >cover songs of other bands. I would love to hear a Kraftwerkian >version of "Good Vibrations", "Purple Haze", "Fever", "Heartbreak Hotel", >and "Gloria". Yes, Electro-Oldies! KW going acoustic? That, my friend, will never happen, only because Ralf *is* a robot who thinks the guitar is an instrument from the middle ages. However, as you may know, you will find plenty of tribute bands that did KW covers using an acoustic approach, and are very popular among some of the list subscribers. FYI Tangerine Dream did a great live cover of "Purple Haze" at the end of their presentations a couple of years ago. Enrique np: Aphex Twin "...I care because you do" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk lawsuit Date: 25 Jan 2000 16:28:42 +0100 Today's ZILLO magazine (Feb. 2000) has a short report on KW lawsuit: Wolfgang will go on with his readings. The hearing will start in summer. Beyond this: Nothing new so far, but there's a picture which is (as far as I remember) not included in Wolfgang's book: Ralf, Florian and Wolfgang standing in front of Alsterpavillon, Hamburg 1972. http://www.zillo.de/aktuell/mainfr11.htm - maybe in a few days the article is online. Jan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) Expo2K official release date Date: 25 Jan 2000 10:32:58 -0500 Is this the new Kraftwerk album? Have I missed something in the past few days? Chuck > > According to the radio program Siglo 21 (Radio 3 Spain) the world-wide > official release date (except for Germany, of course) of the "Expo 2000" > record will be on March 6th. And at the end of May it will be published the > whole album. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "juno ." Subject: (kw) OT : Copyright Control Date: 25 Jan 2000 08:34:12 GMT I know that Glenn had touched on this a bit in his last message, but I became a bit confused. On a lot of records that I own, I notice that some songwriters have the term "Copyright Control" written in the song info instead of the regular "ASCAP" or "BMI". What does this mean ? If there's no publishing collection organization listed, then does the artist still gets royalties ? This has been tripping me out for quite some time. --- BTW Glenn, thanks for posting your KW review and new album speculations on your Emusic site; VERY informative ! I never knew about the "In Motion" compilation. I guess you could call it "Techno Pop 2". ;-P - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reetze@t-online.de (Jan Reetze) Subject: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 18:08:43 +0100 You have to move on an isolated island for a year. Which are your 15 favorite records you would take with you (in addition to your KW collection= , of course)? Well, here are mine: 1. Gyoergy Ligeti: Requiem 2. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Hymnen 3. Diamanda Gal=E1s: The Singer 4. Portishead: same 5. Steve Reich: Music for 18 Musicians 6. Miles Davis: Bitches Brew Sessions 7. Can: Anthology (or Box Set) 8. Brian Eno: Thursday Afternoon 9. Laibach: Opus Dei 10. Nick Cave: The Boatman's Call 11. Einstuerzende Neubauten: Strategies Against Architecture II 12. Ludwig van Beethoven: The Symphonies (COE, Nikolaus Harnoncourt) 13. Anton Bruckner: The Symphonies (NDR Sinfonieorchester, Guenter Wand) 14. Richard Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen (Wiener Phil., Georg Solti) 15. Juliette Gr=E9co: Master Series ... Lord, there are SO many records I will miss on this damned island ... P= J Harvey, Nina Hagen, Georg Kreisler, Cluster, Captain Beefheart, Gary Burton= , Albert Mangelsdorff, Janis Joplin, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Johannes Brahms, Velvet Underground, Jefferson Airplane, John Cale, CCR, and more and more and more... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nitrous Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:26:13 -0500 Here are mine. 1.Lou reed -Berlin 2.Clifford t ward -home thoughts from abroad 3.Pan (ron elliot from the beau brummels) 4.Eno-another green world 5.not drowning waving-claim 6.Frazier chorus-ray 7.Mike oldfield-QE2 8.Sally oldfield-Water bearer 9.Leonard Cohen-songs of love and hate 10.Nine inch nails-pretty hate machine 11.Yello (all) 12.Sparks-propaganda 13.Split enz-Frenzy 14.Lightening seeds-cloudcuckooland 15.The Nits-Dutch mountains Jan Reetze wrote: > You have to move on an isolated island for a year. Which are your 15 > favorite records you would take with you (in addition to your KW collection, > of course)? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Re: MP3 Date: 25 Jan 2000 11:49:23 -0800 >Actually this is not only a financial debate. You dont hurt anyone >(directly) buy distributing music that is >not available elsewere >officially, but you still violate the rights of the artist. You all know >about >copyrights, right? Part of this is the right to control copying >(hence the word copyright), that is - the >artist has the right to decide >how his/hers music is being used. "Do we release it on record, on video, >as >MP3 on the net or throw it in the drawer of bad songs?" This may not >seem like a big violation, but its in >fact theft of (intelectual) >property. Would you like if someone stole your ideas? Is it wrong for someone to "steal your ideas" if they don't use them for anything? Intellectual property is a legal term, and what that really comes down to is money. Copyrights are established to prevent other people from distributing, grossly imitating, or taking credit for your work and subsequently making money from said distribution. So yeah, I guess it comes down to whether or not you feel guilty hearing work that an artist doesn't want you to hear. Well, that's ridiculous. Kraftwerk released their first three albums (1, 2, Ralf & Florian) back in the 1970's, but they're long out-of-print. I think it's reasonable to assume that, nowdays, Kraftwerk doesn't really want people to listen to these early records. Does that make it wrong to listen to it? If a musician releases a record that they later feel was a mistake, and wish they could retract, does it violate their intellectual property rights to listen to that album? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:13:50 -0800 >You have to move on an isolated island for a year. Which are your 15 >favorite records you would take with you (in addition to your KW collection, >of course)? Oh man... I've got well over 600 discs... Let's see: 1) They Might Be Giants - Flood 2) The Residents - Duck Stab 3) The Legendary Pink Dots - The Golden Age 4) Laibach - Let It Be 5) Raymond Scott - Vol. 1 Powerhouse 6) Devo - Oh No, It's Devo 7) Depeche Mode - Violator 8) Fanfare Ciocarlia - Radio Pasquani 9) Snakefinger - Night Of Desirable Objects 10) Bjork - Homogenic 11) Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - Hole 12) Barnes & Barnes - Spazchow 13) Negativland - Free 14) Tom Waits - Rain Dogs 15) Gustov Holst - The Planets Stuck on a desert island for a year with just those discs... I'd probably go crazy and decide I'm married to the Bjork CD or something. heehee. I'd miss Captain Beefheart, Oingo Boingo, Perrey & Kingsley, Frank Zappa, Aphex Twin, The Beatles, Crispin Hellion Glover, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Big Poo Generator, Primus, Mr. Bungle, Renaldo & The Loaf, Secret Chiefs 3, Information Society, Brave Combo, Edward Ka-Spel's solo works, et cetera, et cetera... ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:18:06 -0800 >"Emusic" has now been heavily updated for January with lots of new stuff >including JMJ concert report and 4 new sections. ALL old sections have >been updated all well. > >There is a review of Expo 2000 in the reviews section, and some info about >the new KW album (not >groundbreaking news to this list, but its there) Thanks for posting that Kraftwerk article, Glenn! I didn't know about "In Motion". Was it going to be a "Mix 2" kind of album? I also didn't know that EMI rejected a new Kraftwerk album in 1996! Does anybody have more information on this subject? Did EMI give a reason for rejecting the album? ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Watkins, Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 15:22:45 -0500 > You have to move on an isolated island for a year. Which are your 15 > favorite records you would take with you (in addition to your KW collection, > of course)? I've got like 250 CDs, but here goes: 1. Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds - Live at Luther College 2. Tim Reynolds - Sanctuary 3. Failure - Fantastic Planet 4. Failure - Magnified 5. Moby - Animal Rights 6. Hum - Downward is Heavenward 7. Tangerine Dream - Exit 8. James Galway - The Enchanted Forest: Melodies of Japan 9. Tim Reynolds - Puke Matrix 10. Captain Kirk - The Shape of the Universe 11. Blinker the Star - August Everywhere 12. Thomas Dolby - Retrospectacle 13. Pearl Jam - Ten 14. Helmet - Meantime 15. Tool - Aenima I'd miss a lot of stuff, but these are the CDs I keep with me at all times. (In addition to my KW CD-Rs, the originals are locked up). So far, it looks like we'd all have quite a diverse collection if we all went to the same island! -Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: (kw) OT : Copyright Control Date: 25 Jan 2000 21:11:08 +0100 Juno wrote: > On a lot of records that I own, I notice that some songwriters have = the=20 >term "Copyright Control" written in the song info instead of the = regular=20 >"ASCAP" or "BMI". What does this mean ? If there's no publishing = collection=20 >organization listed, then does the artist still gets royalties ?=20 "Copyright Control" is in fact a publisher / royalty collector. Its a = company, not a term :-) Read about them (and audio / software piracy) = at - surprise!! - www.copyrightcontrol.com >BTW Glenn, thanks for posting your KW review and new album speculations = >on your Emusic site; VERY informative ! No problem. Thanks for visiting the site. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:49:35 -0800 (PST) I MUST SAY THAT I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT KRAFTWERK WOULD ALLOW EMI TO DICTATE WHAT WILL BE RELEASED AND WHAT WONT BE RELEASED. I WOULD OF THOUGHT THAT IF EMI HAD REJECTED ANY MATERIAL KRAFTWERK WOULD OF SIMPLY TAKEN IT ELSEWARE. IF YOUR UNDER CONTRACT TO RELEASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MATERIAL YOU COULD JUST RELEASE ANY CRAP (ie prince) UNTILL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR OBLIGATIONS. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "davethewave@excite.com" Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:48:56 -0800 (PST) I MUST SAY THAT I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT KRAFTWERK WOULD ALLOW EMI TO DICTATE WHAT WILL BE RELEASED AND WHAT WONT BE RELEASED. I WOULD OF THOUGHT THAT IF EMI HAD REJECTED ANY MATERIAL KRAFTWERK WOULD OF SIMPLY TAKEN IT ELSEWARE. IF YOUR UNDER CONTRACT TO RELEASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MATERIAL YOU COULD JUST RELEASE ANY CRAP (ie prince) UNTILL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR OBLIGATIONS. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 13:03:15 -0800 >IF YOUR UNDER CONTRACT TO RELEASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MATERIAL YOU COULD >JUST RELEASE ANY CRAP (ie prince) UNTILL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR >OBLIGATIONS. >AM I RIGHT OR WRONG!!! You're right--- BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT! Chubby Checker is a classic example of an artist fufilling his contractual obligations by releasing crap. He hired a full orchestra and recorded a double-album set of the orchestra just going crazy and making noise. Two full LP's worth of nothing but an orchestra bleeting out whatever notes occured to them at that second. Crazy! Although I don't think Kraftwerk would ever consent to releasing crap. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Polland Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 13:22:09 -0800 Everybody--- Check out http://www.kraftwerk.de/ It's got a "low=html" version of the site, and it features slightly different things... It's worth exploring. ---Jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greyseason@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 16:28:16 EST 1. Faust- So Far 2. NEU!- '75 3. Brian Eno- Before And After Science 4. Jimi Tenor- Intervision 5. David Bowie- Lodger 6. Fripp & Eno- Evening Star 7. Harmonia- Musik Von Harmonia 8. Roxy Music- Roxy Music 9. Leonard Cohen- Death Of A Ladies' Man 10. Tubeway Army- Tubeway Army 11. Guru Guru- K=E4nguru 12. Wendy Carlos- Sonic Seasonings 13. Danzig- 4p 14. Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique 15. Talking Heads- Remain In Light Sam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 16:46:16 -0500 Mine (in no order) Complete Ouvres: 1. Wu-Tang Clan (and all affiliates) 2. Kraftwerk 3. Everything ever recorded by Richard D. James (Aphex Twin, AFX, Polygon Window, etc.) 4. Phill Niblock 5. Charlemagne Palestine 6. Steve Reich 7. Philip Glass 8. Kurtis Mantronik 9. Pete Namlook/Fax label 10. Dead Can Dance 11. Robert Rich 12. Amplexus label (and all subsidiaries) 13. Steely & Clevie 14. Diamond D. 15. Prince Paul 16. DJ Premier For hip-hop producers, such as Diamond D., DJ Premier, and Prince Paul, and reggae pioneers Steely & Clevie, this means every track they ever produced. And every release on the Fax and Amplexus labels. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: SV: SV: (kw) Re: MP3 Date: 25 Jan 2000 21:39:50 +0100 Jason wrote: > Is it wrong for someone to "steal your ideas" if they don't use them = for >anything?=20 Ehh.... maybe not, but why steal something you're not going to use? If = you "steal" a song by downloading an illegal MP3 the least thing you are = doing is showing disrespect of the artist's wish to keep the song = unreleased. As music consumers, we do not have the right to get our = hands on everything. >Kraftwerk released their first three albums (1, 2, Ralf & Florian) back = in >the 1970's, but they're long out-of-print. I think it's reasonable to >assume that, nowdays, Kraftwerk doesn't really want people to listen = to >these early records. Does that make it wrong to listen to it? =20 Of course not, because it is possible to find copies of those albums and = you can legally play them and listen to them as much as you want of = course. Its a different matter when you take the original LP, burn a CD = and distribute it with permission (i.e. making a bootleg). Doesnt matter = if you're making a profit or not, its still illegal. Wether or not it = SHOULD be illegal is another case, but today it is. >If a musician releases a record that they later feel was a mistake, and = wish >they could retract, does it violate their intellectual property rights = to >listen to that album? Of course not, because the album was legally released in the first = place. Same situation as above - it does violate the rights of you make = bootlegs after the album has been retracted. OK, so it might be hard to = find copies of a retracted album or limited edition release, but that = doesnt make it legal to make bootlegs. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 17:52:01 -0500 > You have to move on an isolated island for a year. Which are your 15 > favorite records you would take with you (in addition to your KW collection, > of course)? Well this is OT, but it lets us learn more about each other and gets our allegiances out in the open, so here goes: 1. Orbital: In Sides 2. Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works, Vol 2 (do the rules let me bring RDJ's whole catalog? That's about 3 weeks worth right there :) ) 3. Tori Amos: Little Earthquakes 4. Nine Inch Nails: The Downward Spiral 5. Tool: AEnima (maybe the best rock album of the 90s) 6. Metallica: Master of Puppets 7. Ministry: Psalm 69: The Way To Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs 8. Autechre: Tri Repetae++ 9. Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here 10. Radiohead: OK Computer 11. Massive Attack: Protection 12. Mix Master Mike: Anti-Theft Device 13. The Orb: U.F.Off 14. Moby: Animal Rights (*highly* underrated) 15. Wesley Willis: Greatest Hits (gotta laugh sometimes ;) ) Not a subtle bunch, but if I want subtlety I'll be content just listening to the waves. Bjork, B-Boys, Dre, Sabbath - please forgive me, I have failed you. I'll miss not having the depth of my whole collection too, since I've picked mostly mainstream artists. But such is the price of living on an isolated island. -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: occam@POP-HANNOVER.de (Sebastian Mannke) Subject: (kw) Re: ! WICHTIG ! 3.20 ToDo-Liste ! WICHTIG ! Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:15:00 +0200 01000101 01011000 01010000 01001111 00110010 00110000 00110000 00110000 Topic: Re: ! WICHTIG ! 3.20 ToDo-Liste ! WICHTIG ! Hi Heiko [ 25.01.00-09:33 ] >Hier also meine Bewertung und Kommentare, wobei ich 0 für Funktionen >setze, die mir unwichtig sind. 0=6 >> - nach Betreff >> - nach Erstellungsdatum >> - Direktes ein/ausschalten von Umlauten (au oder ä) > 5 > - Im Kopf sollte neben dem Brettnamen erscheinen, wie viele > Nachrichten gerade angezeigt werden, und auf welcher sich der > Rollbalken gerade befindet (z.B. 47/4711, wenn der Rollbalken auf > Nachricht 47 von 4711 steht). Dann kann man bei sehr langen > Nachrichtenlisten endlich erkennen, wieviel man ncoh vor sich > hat... Alternativ wäre auch ein Rollbalken OK, aber der dürfte > schwerer zu realisieren sein und weniger bringen. > 1 der wunsch steht gaaaanz oben auf der Liste (http://www.openxp.de/wl ;-) >> - ROT: auf VOLLE Laenge belassen >> - UUZ volle Dekodierung von codierten Headerzeilen > ? > - Es sollten Attachments an Emails möglich sein > 1 MIME ? >> - nach Nachrichtengröße [ 3 ] > geht doch jetzt schon jep, ist auch schon draussen.. >> - nach Realname [ N : 3 ] > geht auch schon echt ? >> - Windows 32 Bit Konsolen Version [ 2 ] > schön wärs... jep 1 oder 2 ?? ;) >Hope it helps. Wirst du eine Auswertung mit Mittelwerten veröffentlichen? hmm 50/50..im moment ist eine Version auf der Website wo die werte einfach so eingetragen sind...ich werde dann zum nächsten Montag eine Liste herausbringen mit den Mittelwerten, bis dahin warte ich noch.. Btw..DANKE ;) -- 01001111 01100011 01100011 01100001 01101101 ## CrossPoint v3.20.015 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: SV: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:26:19 +0100 Dave wrote: >I MUST SAY THAT I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT KRAFTWERK = WOULD >ALLOW EMI TO DICTATE WHAT WILL BE RELEASED AND WHAT WONT BE RELEASED. >I WOULD OF THOUGHT THAT IF EMI HAD REJECTED ANY MATERIAL KRAFTWERK = WOULD OF >SIMPLY TAKEN IT ELSEWARE. Will you please hit that Caps Lock key? :-) Its certainly not impossible to imagine that EMI rejected the album and = told the boys to come up with something else. It happens all the time = with most artists. One like to belive that our heroes have 100% creative = control but artists on major contracts rarely do. Its a matter of giving = something away to gain the benefits a major record company can give you. >IF YOUR UNDER CONTRACT TO RELEASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MATERIAL YOU = COULD >JUST RELEASE ANY CRAP (ie prince) UNTILL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR >OBLIGATIONS. I am sure KW never would release just any crap just to get out of a = contract. They want to have good music on their albums. Thats one of the = reasons (I hope) for not having released albums the last decade or so. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)" Subject: SV: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:22:35 +0100 > Thanks for posting that Kraftwerk article, Glenn! I didn't know about >"In Motion". Was it going to be a "Mix 2" kind of album?=20 I have no idea. Releasing another remix compilation only 3 years after = The Mix seems slightly too much to me so I assume it was something else. = But I am not the right person to ask here, as my source for this info is = this list :-) > I also didn't know that EMI rejected a new Kraftwerk album in 1996! = Does anybody have >more information on this subject? Did EMI give a reason for rejecting = the album? If this is true, they probably rejected it because "it was not good = enough" - that is record company language for "not commercial enough".=20 all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 17:55:13 -0700 1. Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 2. Yello The Best of..... 3. Brian Eno Music for Airports 4. Leftfield Leftism 5. Visage Fade to Gray 6. Elton John Madman Across the Water 7. Jethro Tull Aqualung 8. William Orbit Pieces in a Modern Style 9. Craftwork Sexpo 2000 (The Bootleg Remixes) 10. Perez Prado Patricia http://members.tripod.com/DJFRANKX/expo2000a.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 20:28:37 -0500 >> Thanks for posting that Kraftwerk article, Glenn! I didn't know about >> "In Motion". Was it going to be a "Mix 2" kind of album? > > I have no idea. Releasing another remix compilation only 3 years after The Mix > seems slightly too much to me so I assume it was something else. But I am not > the right person to ask here, as my source for this info is this list :-) Searching the list archives, it looks like the album was something EMI undertook without KW's approval, which, as we all know, is a big no-no. When R & F learned of it, "In Motion" was shut down. It was mentioned only a few times however and I wouldn't elevate it quite yet from the realm of rumor... I think the following claim probably has a bit more truth... >> I also didn't know that EMI rejected a new Kraftwerk album in 1996! Does >> anybody have >> more information on this subject? Did EMI give a reason for rejecting the >> album? > > If this is true, they probably rejected it because "it was not good enough" - > that is record company language for "not commercial enough". Well, if the "new songs" they played in 97 and 98 are any indication, perhaps the songs sounded unfinished or had a lack of vision. I think EMI played a probably more benevolent approach than what you speculate, as any album is "more commercial" than not releasing anything at all! ;) It could be that EMI forced Our Favorite Robots to send a record to EMI HQ to make sure Kraftwerk was still doing something, and sent it back to KW after hearing a record still in its embryonic stage. If Kraftwerk had disagreed with EMI that much about a finished record, they probably could have released it through another channel or went public claiming that the record company was holding them back. Perhaps a few minor critiques of the album at EMI (just good-natured editorial stuff) caused the notoriously perfectionist Kraftwerk to re-think their whole premise for the album...or maybe it now takes them 4 years to change one drum machine loop... who knows? I think EMI knows that trying to control Kraftwerk's output would lead to a separation between the band and label and so KW probably has a Kubrick-like control over their projects. Record companies exist to make money, but every once and a while, groups widely acknowledged as geniuses get special privileges and status within companies. Not only do their great works of art bring the label acclaim, but when you attempt to interfere with their art, they usually flee, so they are left alone. Maybe I'm off the mark, but Kraftwerk seems like an especially low-maintenance band as well, since they never do anything and you basically just sell their back catalog. I doubt EMI is suppressing any Krfatwerk music. -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: richard.wojtak@which.net Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:30:26 +0000 1 kraftewerk computer welt 2 roxy music stranded 3 talking heads remain in light 4 david bowie scary monsters/lodger 5 the photos the photos 6 the clash combat rock 7 manaam mental cut 8 david byrne rei momo 9 leanord cohen i'm your man 10 visage visage 11 beastie boys the in sound from way out 12 kraftwerk technopop (unreleased) 13 falarek falarek 14 radiohead ok computer 15 massive attack protection # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Rome" Subject: Fw: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 20:35:49 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:22 PM > > > > 1. I feel you: Depeche Mode > > 2. white Eagle: Tangerine Dream > > 3. Kiew Mission: Tangerine Dream > > 4. Low (the album): David Bowie > > 5. Zooropa (the album): U2 > > 6. OMD: OMD > > 7. Timewind: Klaus Shulze > > 8. By a Higher Love: Depeche Mode > > 9. Seven: James > > 10. Closer: Joy Division > > 11. Quiet Life: Japan > > 12. The colour of spring Talk Talk > > 13. Miss Sarajevo: Passangers > > 14. The Division Bell: Pink Floyd > > > > > > These are my ramblings, fairly varied I hope, but the real test of time is > > that many of these are well over twenty years old and i still listen to > them > > with relish. > > > > Great idea, hope it catches on > > > > Dave Rome > > > > East Sussex > > England > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: Re: (kw) Emusic update Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:06:32 GMT funny guy. wicked sense of humour :) I MUST SAY THAT I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT KRAFTWERK WOULD ALLOW EMI TO DICTATE WHAT WILL BE RELEASED AND WHAT WONT BE RELEASED. I WOULD OF THOUGHT THAT IF EMI HAD REJECTED ANY MATERIAL KRAFTWERK WOULD OF SIMPLY TAKEN IT ELSEWARE. IF YOUR UNDER CONTRACT TO RELEASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MATERIAL YOU COULD JUST RELEASE ANY CRAP (ie prince) UNTILL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR OBLIGATIONS. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG!!! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: -ericg- Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:09:43 -0500 > 9. Craftwork Sexpo 2000 (The Bootleg Remixes) Hehe I think Beck covers that one on Midnite Vultures ;) -ericg- kraftwerk@mac.com elg23@cornell.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: occam@POP-HANNOVER.de (Sebastian Mannke) Subject: (kw) Sorry Date: 26 Jan 2000 00:09:00 +0200 01000101 01011000 01010000 01001111 00110010 00110000 00110000 00110000 Topic: (kw) Re: ! WICHTIG ! 3.20 ToDo-Liste ! WICHTIG ! Hi Sebastian [ 25.01.00-23:15 ] *Sorry* guys....Filter Problems... -- 01001111 01100011 01100011 01100001 01101101 ## CrossPoint v3.20.015 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Finarvas Subject: Re: (kw) island question Date: 26 Jan 2000 08:34:15 +0100 Hmm first of all I would probably bring all my minidisc disc's filled with mp3 :-) And I also don't have much records 'cept for the Kraftwerk ones but I would bring: 1. S.P.O.C.K - Alien Worlds 2. Depeche Mode - The Singles 81-85 3. Prodigy - The Fat of the land 4. S.P.O.C.K - S.P.O.C.K:1999 5. Ludwig Van Beethoven - Symphonie Nr. 9 6. Ludwig Van Beethoven - Klavierkonzert Nr. 1 7. Trancewerk Express vol.1 8. Bob Hund - Omslag: martin kann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) Dentaku Date: 26 Jan 2000 09:02:16 +0100 Does anyone know the meaning of the Japanese ideograms on http://www.kraftwerk.de/html/calculator.html ? Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) island question Date: 26 Jan 2000 10:01:31 +0100 Well, this is the ones I can think of right now, exept Kraftwerk!, that I=20= couldn't be without=2E=2E=2E Joy division - Closer, Unknown=20= pleasures Deutsch Amerikanische Fre=FCndschaft - Die kleinen und die b=F6sen Brian Eno / David Byrne - My life in the bush of ghosts The Human League - Travelogue John Foxx - Metamatic, The garden Ryuichi Sakamoto - B2 unit Yellow magic orchestra - Technodelic, BGM Japan - Tin drum Orbital - Orbital Tanzmuzik - Sinsekai Tom Waits - Franks wild years David Bowie - Scary monsters Gary Numan - The pleasure principle And all the other records=2E=2E=2E Regards / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) Dentaku Date: 26 Jan 2000 01:15:34 -0800 Luca Dassi wrote: > Does anyone know the meaning of the Japanese ideograms on > http://www.kraftwerk.de/html/calculator.html ? It says: (right side) Kraftwerk (left top ) Dentaku (left lower) Kling Klang Production It's not a very good scan... the characters are all fuzzy and many lines are stuck together. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Desert Island Dicks Date: 26 Jan 2000 11:50:29 +0000 You