From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 01 Feb 1998 01:04:43 +0100 Christopher Gross wrote: > > The other day, someone visiting my office saw a few mailing-list messages on > my computer screen, said, "You're a Kraftwerk fan? Coooool!", and told me he'd > just been listening to CW. > Funny... A few months back I was visiting appartments for rent, and I had an appointment with a guy who was supposed to show me a few places. He was almost 50, with a moustache and a straight suit. The kind of guy you imagine with 3 kids, a house in suburbia with green grass etc. light years away from techno-pop... We went to his car, and as he started the engine, the cassette inside the car radio started to play and guess what : Europe Endless full blast. I said : "hey you like that ?" He said : "actually I just got divorced, and my wife forgot this tape in our house, I don't know what it is but she used to play it non stop at times, and finally I think it's not so bad... It's a kind of sentimental thing, you know..." jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 01 Feb 1998 01:06:44 +0100 jbv wrote: > > What a coincidence, Heather ! I love DEVO too ! > What about dinner tonight ? Heather wrote : > > Great, how about chinese? > My favorite ! What time should I pick you up ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT > >it struck me that '1984' by Eurythmics sounds more electronically >advanced than EC which came out 2 years later... > We are RIGHT to admire Kraftwerks groundbreaking innovations, ESPECIALLY the unforseeable electronic novelties of the astoundingly early Autobahn album. But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" by the Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their DEBUT effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's more plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under control. After a sprint-start, our German innovators are so concentrated on this race that they don't realise they're standing still....... The rest of us are bounding over the horizon...... ......seeya! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 00:50:50 GMT > >it struck me that '1984' by Eurythmics sounds more electronically >advanced than EC which came out 2 years later... > We are RIGHT to admire Kraftwerks groundbreaking innovations, ESPECIALLY the unforseeable electronic novelties of the astoundingly early Autobahn album. But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" by the Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their DEBUT effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's more plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made. More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under control. After a sprint-start, our German innovators are so concentrated on this race that they don't realise they're standing still....... The rest of us are bounding over the horizon...... ......seeya! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 10:14:18 +0100 wootton robin wrote: > > But you are WRONG to assume they remained at the cutting edge beyond 1975. > > Agreed, Computer World is UTTERLY FABULOUS electronic music.. > But it's 1981 for Gods sake!!! > People had been making fantastic electronic music for YEARS!!!!!! Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for posting such opinions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 01 Feb 1998 12:44:57 -0800 Chris wrote: >I think the Eurythmics' stuff was very effective in conveying an = alternative to the Party's outlook. The idea of having two types of music contending = with each other on the soundtrack was a good idea in my opinion...< Interesting opinion! However, Michael Radford (the director of the film = 1984) wasn't impressed with what Eurythmics produced and didn't want to = use it, as he considered it 'inappropriate' for the film. Commercial = pressures forced its inclusion. >The only Eurythmics album I have is 'Sweet Dreams', which I think is = GREAT! The Eurythmics started out the way KW did-- by putting together their = own studio and adding on to it as circumstances required. I can't say = whether they were more 'advanced' than KW or not, because I don't know if they are = headed in the same direction! ;-) < Eurythmics first album, 'In the Garden' was produced by Conny Plank at = his studio in Cologne. Dave Stewart built his own studio in a disused = church in London, which is where Sweet Dreams was recorded. Later albums = were recorded in a number of places. As Annie Lennox apparently lived in = France a number were recorded there. >Anyway, anyone who hasn't seen '1984' ought to check it out-- there was = a '50s version, but I think the 1984 version is true to Orwell's vision.< You're right. The 1984 version of '1984' is an excellent film which has = often been underrated - like many British films are. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 13:11:05 -0800 Robin wrote: >Sceptics will learn an awful lot from hearing the 1983 album "Please" = by the=20 Pet Shop Boys. In terms of sound, production, and presentation, their = DEBUT=20 effort bears all the hallmarks of any contempory pop production. It's = more=20 plush and proffessional than anything that Kraftwerk have EVER made.=20 More danceable... VASTLY more intelligent lyrics... totally under = control.< 'Please' was released in 1985. Tracks were recorded earlier, however, = they were apparently so bad that the entire thing was handed over to = Stephen Hague who remade the album. There is no doubt that the unique = flavour of 'Please' was due to Stephen Hague. Subsequent PSP albums = sounded like saccharine induced vomit. Hague has actually produced a lot of cutting edge electronic pop albums. = Unfortunately there is a tendency amongst us to think that innovative = electronic music has only been produced by artists such as YMO, Jarre, = Wakeman, Vangelis and of course Kraftwerk. Hague, Trevor Horn and = Stephen Lipson produced some of the finest and most innovative = electronic albums of their era. Unfortunately, these guys are now dead = in the water; we have to move on and not be sentimental about an era = that is long gone... Now we need to look at producers such as Tim = Simoneon, Nellee Hooper, Goldie etc to understand what's happening. = These are the people Kraftwerk will be judged against if a new album is = forthcoming. mode.123 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian J. Harris" Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 01 Feb 1998 14:52:05 +0000 Hi all Count me in as one of the Devo fans. There IS a Devo mailing list. currently with 36 subscribers, if anyone wants details then e mail me privately. BTW I prefer Devo's later (ie 1980+) material. If you think they *blanded* out check out their 2 tracks on the Jackie Chan "Supercop" soundtrack CD, and change your mind. ~ Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 01 Feb 1998 01:42:04 -0000 >> Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes >> and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to >> everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in >> the seventies of course...) >Strange... At least 3 or 4 of my friends who listened to Time Pie had >the same reaction : it sounds like a cheap imitation of some YMO >stuff from circa 78-79... hmmmm, I can see your point, though I do like this album a lot. I can see the YMO slant to some extent, though I really do think it's original enough to be appreciated for what it is: I.e. a product of the late nineties (fucking hell, are we that old! :-) OK, maybe you can hear influences from times past, but what music hasn't drawn on the past to some extent - certainly not Kraftwerk. It's still a great album, and as our "gods ov teckno" haven't graced us with an album in twelve years I don't think arguments to the contrary from the KW obsessive on this list bear much creditability. Are you sad Kraftwerk fanatics really happy playing TEE every day? Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons slightly? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) More questions Date: 01 Feb 1998 15:11:14 -0000 Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live Taschenrechner = Pocket Calculator (from Computer World) Schaufensterpuppen = Showroom Dummies (From Trans Europe Express) Spiegelsaal = The Hall Of Mirrors (From Trans Europe Express) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) More questions Date: 01 Feb 1998 16:30:49 +0100 >Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some anti-nuclear compilation?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 01 Feb 1998 12:28:00 +0500 On 02-Feb-98, **************** wrote: >Interesting opinion! However, Michael Radford (the director of the film 1984) >wasn't impressed with what Eurythmics produced and didn't want to use it, as >he considered it 'inappropriate' for the film. Commercial pressures forced its >inclusion. Really! I didn't know that. I still think it works... and the 'Oceania' stuff is good, too. :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Date: 01 Feb 1998 11:20:44 EST And, in a effort to resolve this, I want to start a discussion group for the purpose of discussing other groups besides Kraftwerk. I want to run it like this group, and if I can, more like "echomail" (for those of you who are familiar with FTN terms). This group includes, but is not limited to, groups like Devo, Depeche Mode, The Eurythmics, Heaven 17, Planet P, and a bunch of others I can't think of at the moment. Anyone that wants to get into this list, please send E-Mail to n8tlc@juno.com, and I'll put you in the list. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric?= Kerbrat Subject: (kw)Krafwerk icons Date: 01 Feb 1998 15:11:01 -0300 Hello, Mac users will be pleased to know that a new set of icons is available at Yes, 20 Kraftwerk icons. Bye. Frederic. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:16:36 +0100 **************** wrote: > > (...)As Annie Lennox apparently lived in France a number were recorded there. ARRRGH !!!! Is she still around ? Does anyone know ? What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:16:51 +0100 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > And, in a effort to resolve this, I want to start a discussion group for > the purpose of discussing other groups besides Kraftwerk. > (...) > > This group includes, but is not limited to, groups like Devo, Depeche > Mode, The Eurythmics, Heaven 17, Planet P, and a bunch of others I can't > think of at the moment. > Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 from your list. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:17:09 +0100 Jon Alsbury wrote: > > (...) (fucking hell, are we that old! :-) Mmmmh... What do you mean exactly by "old" ? > Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons > slightly? Are you talking to me ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 21:37:17 GMT jbv wrote: >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for >posting such opinions... > Dear oh dear, NO jbv, you were flamed for saying (in your most humble opinion) that CW spawned no seed at all. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Wim Wenders "The End of Violence" Date: 01 Feb 1998 22:48:12 +0900 Hi all, I seem to remember a German film director Wim Wenders requested Kraftwerk for soundtracks for his latest film "The End of Violence". There hasn't been no further news for months. The film seem to be already ready for theatres, and its ad is already available. (well, at least in Tokyo) A bad news: Kraftwerk is NOT enlisted in the staff list. I'm not sure who disagreed, but their name is not there. For those who live in/near Tokyo, the film can be seen on March, exclusively at Yebisu Garden Cinema. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - Active-K Update! Date: 01 Feb 1998 16:56:47 -0500 Hello Kraftwerk starved individuals (I count myself in this category) I have updated the Active-K and have added an MP3 of the second new song from the ZKM concert. Can't talk long because I'm werking on a MIDI file version of this same song along with Home Computer as I type (I think I can hear Cakewalk calling me back right now :)) Well, gottoa go! Take care. -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 01 Feb 1998 21:41:20 -0800 JBV wrote:- >ARRRGH !!!! Is she (Annie Lennox) still around ? Does anyone know ? What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ?< If the average IQ in France is positive she's still there. You're better = off with her - at least you'll have 1 beautiful women in your country. "You've only got yourselves to blame.. For playing the game" Dr Robert=09 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Date: 01 Feb 1998 21:45:01 -0800 jbv wrote: >Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 from your list.< If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. = Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands = you may not like. I've no interest in Planet P, however, if someone is = generous enough to set-up a new list I'm not going to rubbish his = efforts. Please retract your statement jbv and learn to think before you write. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 21:56:44 -0800 jbv wrote: >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for posting such opinions...< You were flamed for posting nonsense which you clearly couldn't = substantiate. Nobody objects to an opinion. Your problem is you try to = pass off your opinions as concrete facts.=20 IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've ever = read on this list. mode.123 =09 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) More questions Date: 01 Feb 1998 22:20:48 -0000 >>Sellafield 2 = not on any album - played as an intro to Radioactivity live >Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some anti-nuclear compilation?? it may well be on some compilation, but what i meant was that this particular piece does not appear, unlike the others listed in the original message, on any Kraftwerk album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) A question (what else?) Date: 01 Feb 1998 22:43:29 -0000 jbv wrote: >Mmmmh... What do you mean exactly by "old" ? well, as someone who's been collecting records for almost twenty years (including three spanking new Kraftwerk releases - imagine that kiddies) i kindof suspect that i'm not the youngest member of this ML... on reflection, perhaps 'older' would have been a more appropriate word to use. >> Isn't it about time you broadened your horizons >> slightly? >Are you talking to me ? no. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 01 Feb 1998 18:17:12 EST On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:56:44 -0800 **************** writes: > >jbv wrote: > >>Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for >posting such opinions...< >IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've >ever = >read on this list. > >mode.123 thats pretty debateable... tom w np: stupid girl _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Date: 01 Feb 1998 18:17:12 EST On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:45:01 -0800 **************** writes: > >jbv wrote: > >>Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 >from your list.< > >If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. >= >Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands >= >you may not like. this is a skill i must learn: how does one prevent discussion of bands one doesnt like? and an exclusive no less.... tom w np: three - the power of three _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Eurythmics - 1984 vs Electric Cafe Date: 01 Feb 1998 22:21:52 -0000 >> (...)As Annie Lennox apparently lived in France a number were recorded there. >ARRRGH !!!! Is she still around ? Does anyone know ? does anyone care? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie Crash" <909@iname.com> Subject: (kw) Sigh! Sigh! Sigh! Date: 02 Feb 1998 01:20:34 +0100 -You!!! -? -Yes, YOU!, Stop talking like a 5-year old, please! - ... Thanks! ///CC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) RE: mode.123 - Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: 01 Feb 1998 21:10:02 EST First of all, my apologies to everyone else...this message is intended for mode.123 only - everyone else go ahead and delete it, I am delivering it through this group as I have no other way to get it to him... 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) Konzerts? Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:52:01 -0800 (PST) Are there any known plans for Kraftwerk to tour in 1998? I am sure that will never come to the U.S.A. I would lik to see if there is a *slight* possiblity of catching them in concert. Eric Knight ericknig@sprynet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Remixed classics (off-topic) Date: 01 Feb 1998 18:40:35 -0500 I was in the Middle East in 1996, and I happened to hear house remixes of many classic rock songs from the '70s, such as Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street." I loved the remixes! Most of these were first released in the UK. Are any of these remixes available in the USA? Thanks in advance! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) War? What is it good for? Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:47:56 -0000 Absolutely nothing. hehehehehehe Ppl of the KW mailing list, please put this in your records, there is a flame war developing again, but, this time I was not the instigator! :-) There's gotta be a first for everything! Yours chuffed, ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tobi" Subject: Re: (kw) Wim Wenders "The End of Violence" Date: 02 Feb 1998 11:20:44 +0100 On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 Hiroshisan wrote: >A bad news: Kraftwerk is NOT enlisted in the staff list. >I'm not sure who disagreed, but their name is not there. Right, there is not even a glimpse of Kraftwerk music in the movie or the soundtrack. Nothing. However, I like the movie and recommend to see it. Yours, tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) aphex twin - kw Date: 02 Feb 1998 12:01:41 +0100 i recently found this note on aphex twin: "Not since Kraftwerk (who were also driven to build their own = instruments=20 in order to capture the sounds floating around in their heads) has an=20 artist understood texture in this way, made electronic sound so organic = and=20 resonant, so full of life." (Andrew Smith, Melody Maker, Nov 21, 1992) i often think, that many list-members are more into some kind of "old=20 school" electronic sounds from back in the 70's and 80's and are = ignoring=20 new talents... what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic=20 artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) and how do you feel about afrika bambaata's planet rock, which pushed, = IMHO=20 KW's music into a very new context? for more information about the aphex twin feel free to visit my=20 aphextwin-site at: http://www.andreas.de/aphextwin/ regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn was their first and LAST innovation. Date: 02 Feb 1998 12:07:51 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > >Careful ! I've been flamed on this list a couple of months ago for > >posting such opinions... > > > Dear oh dear, NO jbv, you were flamed for saying (in your most humble > opinion) that CW spawned no seed at all. > > ciao, > My mistake, Jules. I perfectly remember why I've been flamed, and I should have written "I've been flamed for posting such STRONG opinions". The context and contents are different, but statements like "Autobahn was their first and last innovation" and "CW spawned no seed at all" might lead to some strong rejections from this list, and I wanted to warn the guy against such possible reactions, as (sometimes) this "mailing" list looks pretty much like a "praising" list... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone completely off topic here... Date: 02 Feb 1998 12:08:58 +0100 jbv wrote: > > >Count me in, but please remove Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Heaven 17 > from your list.< **************** wrote: > > If you intend to turn this new list into a farce don't bother joining. Why should you have an exclusive right to prevent discussion of bands you may not like. I've no interest in Planet P, however, if someone is generous enough to set-up a new list I'm not going to rubbish his efforts. > > Please retract your statement jbv and learn to think before you write. > My dear friend, I really don't know why I should retract my statement, and furthermore how I could prevent anyone from starting a new list... If you were a little bit less driven by your chromosomes when you send messages, you would notice that I'm one of those who always encourage to "discuss the broader picture"... My only problem with this generous offer to start a new list, is that before it exists, it already looks like a farce, in the sense that one can already know what kind of narrow-minded messages about old brit synth-pop bands will clutter it... BUT I can live with it, as long as the range of bands / artists discussed in that forthcoming list also includes some other (and less obvious) stuff... Although the lack of response to one of my recent postings about bhangra music scares me a bit... And for the few mongoloids who still didn't get it, my previous "joke" was so caricatured that I hoped it was a clear and sincere call for REAL open-minded discussions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Date: 02 Feb 1998 12:10:10 +0100 > JBV wrote:- > > >ARRRGH !!!! Is she (Annie Lennox) still around ? Does anyone know ? > What time is the next plane to Buenos Aires ?< > **************** wrote: > > If the average IQ in France is positive she's still there. You're > better off with her - at least you'll have 1 beautiful women in your > country. > (...) > > You were flamed for posting nonsense which you clearly couldn't > substantiate. Nobody objects to an opinion. Your problem is you try to > pass off your opinions as concrete facts. > > IMO your postings on Computer World were the stupidist e-mails I've > ever read on this list. My dear boy, Obviously, there are a few things you need to learn : 1) IQ can't be negative : it's measured on a Gauss scale from 0 to 200. 2) From your systematic and strong anti-french attitude you shouldn't always assume that everyone else is also driven by similar anti-english feelings. 3) An attack or a joke towards an artist is not always pointing at his/her national origin or physical apparance. The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just to make money by spoiling the tastes of teenagers from Third World countries... 4) If I were as mean as some people think I am, I could reply something like : "if it's the only beautiful woman in France, it's also someone who escaped from YOUR country. And BTW, I read recently that the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There must be some reasons behind it..." But of course, as I'm not THAT mean, I won't say it... 5) As for the CW debate, I don't remember that YOUR opinions were so much backed by anything else than "it is obvious that..." or "this is shit". ------------- As for the CW debate again, I don't want to re-open the wound, but I remember that one of the topics was that CW had been released after a whole bunch of similar synth-pop stuff (especially including several french bands) and that the music had nothing innovative in it. The point I want to make is that I have the singles & albums of most of those bands (except for the Comateens which I never really liked), and I could sample and post excerpts just to enlighten the discussion (although I can't imagine how many rights I'll be violating by doing that !)... Some people took it at ground level and criticized a sudden burst of national pride. I want to stress out that I'm only discussing MUSIC. As for additional facts to back up this discussion, I want to add that those french bands were active roughly between 78 and 81, that some of them even got national radio hits (Jacno), and that most of them used to get quite a lot of exposure in local hip media. And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. So, if (and ONLY IF) other list members are interested, I can manage to do something. If not, I can live without it. Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d - New Kraftwerk MIDI file! Date: 02 Feb 1998 07:54:33 -0500 "Yawn" !! (Oh dear, Pardon me...) ...Anyway, I've been up all night working on this. But here it is. The MIDI version of Kraftwerk's mystery song #2 from the ZKM concert. Its programmed specifically for the AWE32/64 soundcard. Its also written for GS mode. If you don't have an AWE32/64 card, the file will still play but you'll miss out on all the heavy filter effects reproduced from the original song. If my schedule stays open, 'Home Computer' should be ready in a few days. This time I'll try and remember to get sleep ;-) Well, gotta go. Must rest a bit before going to work. Regards, -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "Continuing the tradition of the underground resonance" Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone complete Date: 02 Feb 1998 14:12:20 +0100 Tom W wrote: "this is a skill i must learn: how does one prevent discussion of bands one doesnt like? and an exclusive no less=2E=2E=2E"=2E I think I have the solution to all this crap, why don't we all start one mailinglist each - and discuss our own favorit bands with ourself=2E Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: Sv: Re: (kw) Looks like we gone complete Date: 02 Feb 1998 15:48:00 +0100 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > > I think I have the solution to all this crap, why don't we all start one > mailinglist each - and discuss our own favorit bands with ourself. > > Johan > No, Sir. I rather think that we'll remain into that crap as long as we'll consider that discussing about a band or artist is ONLY a matter of personal tastes, and as long as we'll deal with such a wonderful tool as a real-time mailing list on the net like with a cheap xeroxed fanzine. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Boccianti Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:38:16 +0100 [Annie Lennox and] > the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes > a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There > must be some reasons behind it..." > well, they say it's taxes... where is JM Jarre living now? > remember that one of the topics was that CW had been released after a > whole bunch of similar synth-pop stuff (especially including several > french bands) and that the music had nothing innovative in it. > well, jbv, I liked a lot CW and for me it was revolutionary. maybe it was posted before, but could you list me again some "predecessors" to CW? this way I'll have a list of good music to listen to that I did not know it was there... > > And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot > in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. > :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spell it...) :-))) > So, if (and ONLY IF) other list members are interested, I can manage to > do something. If not, I can live without it. ok, go for it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Date: 02 Feb 1998 20:59:34 +0100 Luca Boccianti wrote: > = > [Annie Lennox and] > = > > the Spice Girls just settled down in France as well. That makes > > a lot of beautiful and artistic girls who escaped your country. There= > > must be some reasons behind it..." > > > = > well, they say it's taxes... where is JM Jarre living now? Taxes exactly. And as for JMJ, AFAIK, he's still living in his castle near Paris... (or may be did he move in with the Spice Girls...) > = > > And, at the same period, R&F were sightseeing and danceclubbing a lot= > > in Paris. So they could very well have been exposed to those bands. > > > = > :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spe= ll it...) > :-))) NO NO NO NO ! 10 zillions times "NO !" That's exactly the point I want to make FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ! (BTW, around here we spell it "chauvinisme". How about english ?) It just happens like that. And for CW only. And furthermore, please remember that in my very first postings on that topic, along with french bands, I also mentioned YMO and the Comateens who were not exactly french ! It just happens that I live in France, was exposed to those bands, still have their records (which are quite hard-to-find these days because they've never been promoted abroad nor reissued by those fucking french record companies), also have reviews about CW in french mags from 81 (I think Klaus put them on his site) where it's clearly said that there's nothing new under the D=FCsseldorf sun. Listen : in 76 / 77 I remember hearing / reading interviews of Ralf spending lots of energy saying that the song RA should not be confused with that other song "Pop Corn" which had a lot of success shortly before, his main statement being "Pop Corn was only a one-shot deal, while there is a concept behind RA and KW". Obviously, it sounded like a large part of the audience didn't make any difference between both works, and because of those "new synthesizer sounds" thought that both tunes had been composed / performed by the same band. That's all. Just a fact. Nothing more. In 78, it looks like some people, after hearing an album by Georgio Moroder released shortly before MM, thought it was KW latest album. And this came straight from Ralf's mouth in an interview from 78 that I posted on this list a while back. Again, that's all. Just a fact. Nothing more. For instance, if the above quote came from some german people, would you call it "chauvinistic" ? So please people, don't jump to the easy conclusion that I said that KW ran out of inspiration and copied french bands on CW. = Because I NEVER meant that. The main points I've always tried to make are : = 1- 78 / 81 was a time of thrilling and busy musical creation, especially in the pop-synth field 2- lots of bands were working on light, poppy and sweet synth stuff = that included funky elements 3- it happens that some of them were french and quite interesting and that I still have their records 4- and when KW released CW, it just sounded like a lot of stuff = that had been around for some time already, in other words : just another pop-synth album talking about computers. And when at the same time, some list members implied that there wasn't any other synth pop of that kind before CW, and that CW was a sort of breakthrough in synth pop sound, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that, simply because it isn't true. For instance, would you agree if in 15 years from now, someone would say that in 97, there was no other techno stuff besides Prodigy and the Chemical B. ? Some of you said that I meant that CW was not innovative only, and that it could have been influencial anyway. Frankly, I wonder how something that is not innovative can be = influencial, unless there are strong marketing techniques behind it that gives it more exposure than the rest. Of course, at the same time, there was the CW tour, with the terrific imagery of the KK studio live, and THAT was really innovative... And IMHO, KW has always been very good at repackaging other people's work, or at least the "sound of the moment" (if I can call it that way), and this fantastic imagery remains inside people's minds and they finally happen to think that the music itself was revolutionnary. And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise examples of other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) who clearly state that CW has been a major influence on their work. Otherwise, I'll keep thinking it's just another clich=E9 that has been around for a while... May I remind you that I for one have already quoted two contemporary = musicians (Aphex Twin and Prodigy) who denied any influence of CW (for AT) and trashed KW (Prodigy)... Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) flame off Date: 02 Feb 1998 06:31:25 +0000 >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) can we discuss this in relation to Kraftwerk's existence or independently? Well, they all seem to be experts in creating musical textures and soundscapes, not necessarily melodically strong but interesting to listen to. A good example of this - and that harks back to some of the longer Kraftwerk tracks (such as the original LP mix of "autobahn") - is material such as "Out There Somewhere" from orbital's "Insides" or some of the material on Underworld's "Dark And Long" (album or CD single..) opinions? Mark -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. Date: 02 Feb 1998 23:14:00 +0100 Mark Reed wrote: > > >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) > I remember reading somewhere (on the AH list I think) that the rumor saying that AT was building his own gear was actually a fake, the truth being that he just re-packages existing gear (for instance Roland etc.) Does anyone have more info on that ? As for Orbital, I really liked their last (?) album (the one featuring The Box) although I think their sound on that album owns A LOT to KW (especially from the 3rd and 4th album). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 02 Feb 1998 16:43:25 -0600 Hello everyone. I felt compelled to write this message in response to all the negativity and dare i say it, flaming, going on. I see no reason why we can't all discuss different musical groups and other topics, intelligently and rationally, without getting pissy. For example, I like Devo, but I realize there will be people on this list who won't like them, so if I post "I like Devo", I expect someone to post " well Devo sucks, blah blah.." I don't get worked up about it. I do think it would be silly of someone to post "KW sucks, blah blah..", which almost happened during that whole TD vs KW episode. But this is a Kraftwerk list, meaning that everyone on this list is united by the love of Kraftwerk's music. It is ok to make criticisms about certain albums, or whatever. Just don't get negative about. The fact that everyone has different musical tastes is what makes us all individuals. There I've done my ranting. Good day to all. Yours truly, Heather D. PS. I'm not a hippy(ha-ha, just kidding) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder Subject: (kw) 'Sellafield 2' Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:02:16 -0500 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:30:49 +0100 > From: "Fer" > Subject: RE: (kw) More questions > > >Sellafield 2 =3D not on any album - played as = > an intro to Radioactivity live > > > Are you sure? Wasn't this included on some = > anti-nuclear compilation?? Kraftwerk made a short video as part of Greenpeace's = 'REACT' campaign against the proposed 'Sellafield 2' = (THORPE) plant in 1993 - it featured the bands robots = (including the one of Fernando Abrantes, so it's probably = no more than leftovers of 1991s 'The Robots' video), = while the facts and figures regarding the proposed = nuclear installation are displayed in bold type, = scrolling over the screen. The music is mainly the = rather sinister vocoded robotic tones reading out = the same facts and figures, with some abstract = noises in the background. So, as such it has not = been 'released' on a generally available anti-nuclear = compilation. It was distributed to the media, MTV showed = it on one of their news programmes. Live renditions of 'The Robots' and 'Radioactivity' from 1992s = 'Stop Sellafield' concert itself were released on video as part = of the 'Stop Sellafield' concert video. = That Kraftwerk chose to include 'Sellafield 2' in their 1997 = shows is a bit behind times though, even if it did blend with = 'Radioactivity' itself! = Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) aphex twin - kw Date: 02 Feb 1998 18:28:33 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) Some of them are great. I like AT, Orb and Orbital, Banco de Gaia, Autechre and many others. For some reason I don't like FSOL much. On rare occasions I might even go so far as to say some of these modern artists are almost as good as KW. :) > and how do you feel about afrika bambaata's planet rock, which pushed, IMHO > KW's music into a very new context? I regard Planet Rock as the spark that ignited the whole techno, rap, dance and house thing. It was the critical piece of exposure KW music needed to catch the young ears of what are now our current musicians. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sumac Subject: (kw) WWW KW Sampling List? Date: 03 Feb 1998 01:02:00 -0500 Does anyone out there know of any WWW sites that have extensive lists of songs that use KW samples? I seem to recall someone on the list not too long ago trying to compile such a list... reply via private message (as to leave more digest room for the current flamewar :) Dave Egan sumac@tiac.net "echo's alot of fun if you know how to use it use it..." -Yom Tucker <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Date: 03 Feb 1998 02:46:31 +0100 >Luca Boccianti wrote: aaaaagh! a moment of distraction and here my anonymate is gone! :-) >And as for JMJ, AFAIK, he's still living in his castle near Paris... >(or may be did he move in with the Spice Girls...) no, SG went to him, but he plastered them and used them as chalk garden statues. >> :-)))))))))))) and if you don't call it shovinism... (or how do you spell it...) >NO NO NO NO ! 10 zillions times "NO !" >That's exactly the point I want to make FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ! c'moooon jbv, I was joking... I am latin as you, wake up... :-) >french bands, I also mentioned YMO and the Comateens who were not ... >Listen : in 76 / 77 I remember hearing / reading interviews of Ralf >spending lots of energy saying that the song RA should not be confused >with that other song "Pop Corn" which had a lot of success shortly ok, they may have used the same instruments but... >before, his main statement being "Pop Corn was only a one-shot deal, >while there is a concept behind RA and KW". Obviously, it sounded like ...RH was perfectly right: maybe CW is not so daringly innovative, but the landscapes it depict is something a lot deeper and distant from the immediate aims of "commercial" music like Pop Corn or divertissement like YMO or the metheor that was the electro new wave. this is not to reduce these styles that, expecially for new wave, I love a lot. sorry to have to nationalize it, but the thing I soon come to think are the german cosmisches kurieren. I mean, is a different breathe. >In 78, it looks like some people, after hearing an album by Georgio >Moroder released shortly before MM, thought it was KW latest album. >And this came straight from Ralf's mouth in an interview from 78 that ok, but were they wrong... listen, some days ago I let listen to a very clever university teacher a piece from your XIII century compatriote Guillaume de Machaut's Notre Dame Mass, and she told me "ah, nice, what's that, XVII century?" I mean, there were JB Lully in the XVII century! and that was a clever woman! so as you see sometimes people, and most of all the journalist that propagate the words, can be very superficial. >So please people, don't jump to the easy conclusion that I said that >KW ran out of inspiration and copied french bands on CW. >Because I NEVER meant that. out of jokes, you were perfectly clear. >4- and when KW released CW, it just sounded like a lot of stuff >that had been around for some time already, in other words : just >another pop-synth album talking about computers. no, sorry, but I was (am) a fan of the synth-pop music of the time and CW really impressed me for its diversity, a timeless ageless diversity. it was the perfect next point on the curve interpolated by R&F, Autobahn, RA, MM. anyway, if it can be of interest, when I went to buy CW I also bought the last Adam & the Ants album (Prince charming?). >any other synth pop of that kind before CW, and that CW was a sort of >breakthrough in synth pop sound, I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that, ok, I see your point. to use an abused metaphore, I'll say that the popness of CW is just one face of a prism. it may not be the brightest one, but it stand over the most beautiful bidimensional things. >And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise examples of >other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) who clearly state that >CW has been a major influence on their work. Otherwise, I'll keep they won't admit that... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lists@neox.demon.co.uk Date: 03 Feb 1998 03:37:14 -0700 >Another related topic: Wolfgang Flur's new project YAMO released their >"Time Pie" CD last year. It's very.... different; "Word Poetry" set to >mildly spacey sounds. I also heard that he's working with another project >called Mouth on Mouth- not to be confused with Mouse on Mars.... or is it >the other way around?? -(Ha-Ha!)- Has anybody heard any more recent news? Time Pie is an excellent album that's great fun with lots of catchy tunes and a very contemporary and enjoyable sound. I whole heatedly recommend to everyone on this list (unless your musical tastes are hopelessly stuck in the seventies of course...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. Date: 03 Feb 1998 12:18:42 +0100 hi fellow-werkers, actually, AT built his own gear in the very beginning. songs from that = time=20 are published on "selected ambient works 85-92". later he used common=20 gear.... *as far as i know* as for orbital, jbv is right. there is a lot of KW in their last = longplay=20 cd "in-sides".... .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: jbv [SMTP:jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet am: Montag, 2. Februar 1998 23:14 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Re: Aphex Twin, Orbital etc. Mark Reed wrote: > > >what do you think about aphex twin's or other intelligent-dancemusic > >artist's music? (squarepusher, orbital, fsol, underworld, leftfield) > I remember reading somewhere (on the AH list I think) that the rumor saying that AT was building his own gear was actually a fake, the truth being that he just re-packages existing gear (for instance Roland etc.) Does anyone have more info on that ? As for Orbital, I really liked their last (?) album (the one featuring The Box) although I think their sound on that album owns A LOT to KW (especially from the 3rd and 4th album). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original=20 sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tobi" Subject: Re: (kw) Package responses Date: 03 Feb 1998 12:41:37 +0100 On Mon, Feb 2, 1998 jbv wrote: >And last but not least, I'm still waiting for precise >examples of other musicians (influencial ones, if possible) >who clearly state that CW has been a major influence on >their work. Actually, I own a bunch of electronic devices I am producing music with (can I call myself a musician?). I can feel that my friends listen to me from time to time (consider that as influential?). And I clearly state that CW has been a major influence on my work (I am making web design). ; ) tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) KW influenced fashion Date: 03 Feb 1998 13:43:46 +0100 hi, yesterday night, german television (zdf) showed a feature about=20 club-wear-fashion. you know, the fashion that is worn by the so calles=20 techno-kids in the clubs.... i think they showed a fashion-faire back in = 1996 in paris where male models presented a manmashine-like-outfit. (red = shirts, black throusers -you know the look) in the background the played = the original mix of radioactivity... unfortunately i don't know which=20 fashion-label it was... .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) KW influenced fashion Date: 03 Feb 1998 12:56:03 -0000 hi, yesterday night, german television (zdf) showed a feature about club-wear-fashion. you know, the fashion that is worn by the so calles techno-kids in the clubs.... i think they showed a fashion-faire back in 1996 in paris where male models presented a manmashine-like-outfit. (red shirts, black throusers -you know the look) in the background the played the original mix of radioactivity... unfortunately i don't know which fashion-label it was... It's funny, maybe the red and black imagery is coming back (did it ever leave?). Last weeks Top of the Pops program here in England featured a performance by the band, 'Chumbawumba'. Most of the members wore red shirts with black trousers, at the time I thought it very Man Machine! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey Au-Yeung" Subject: (kw) Offer For Swap/Sale Date: 03 Feb 1998 21:20:23 +0800 The following items are for swap/sale. Please contact me off-list if interested. Jeffrey Kraftwerk 7" Singles: Musique Nonstop, EMI 5588, UK (cut corner) The Model / Computer Love, EMI 5207, UK (cut corner) The Telephone Call Stereo / Same, Warners 7-28441-A, promo, USA 12" Single: German Kraft Medley 12", Enterprise Records, SABAM 5147 LPs Radio-Activity, EMI Capital ECS-80418, insert only, Japan Trans Europe Express ECS-80833, strip + insert, Japan The Man Machine, EMI ECS 81083, strip + insert, Japan Electric Cafe, EMD 1001, UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Harback Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 03 Feb 1998 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) Hello everyone, I'm very new to this list, so please excuse me if this question has been asked ad nauseum in the past. I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a similar sound. Oh well. Any advice/help/comments would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 03 Feb 1998 17:35:04 +0000 I quite agree. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 03 Feb 1998 18:42:46 +0100 You're a good girl, Heather... Our small community needs more people like you. Hope to see you in church next sunday... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 03 Feb 1998 12:47:04 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Chris Harback wrote: > I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the > unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I > was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In > other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's > by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a > similar sound. If R&F is your favorite album, then I think you'll really like KW1&2 as well. They are even more dissimilar from Kraftwerk's later sound, having very few electronic components in their music, but they still have their own unique appeal. "Ruckzuck" from KW1 is one of the coolest KW songs of all, hands down. In fact, many of my friends who can't stand Man-Machine or Tour de France love the early albums. Their sound is much closer to ambient than techno, and is mixed with a distinctive early '70s sound (esp. in the guitar and flute parts). While significantly different, however, I listen to them just as much as the later albums. I definitely recommend them, even at such a painful price. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : "The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with LSD) before starting their band. Inventor of new musical forms as soon as in the 50s, Stockhausen built such works as Electronic Studies I & II or Hymnen, experimenting new synthetic sounds in spatial projection, untiringly carving out an innovative musical grammar. His latest creation : Electronic Music with Sound Stage from Freitag aus Licht. Stockhausen is about to "project" it in France (Feb 3 to 5, Paris, Parc de la Villette)." ------ Read in french newspaper Lib=E9ration (Feb 3, 1998) : "It's a fact : contemporary music and electro-acoustic music are gaining these days a new popularity. Especially among a young generation who tries to find in it the illusion of a "world". This explains that KH Stockhausen, musician of the "universe" par excellence, after fascinating the rock avant-garde of the 70s, is now mentionned as the major reference of today's most interesting techno hackers. It's interesting to hear the singer Bj=F6rk evoquing the Helikopter- Sreichquartett that the master created in 1993 and for which each member of a quartet used to play inside an helicopter transformed = into a studio flying in sync with the rotating propellers, to realize how his artistic move fills an expectation. As he told us a few days ago from his studio in K=F6ln, not one day passe= s without receiving a mail from some techno artist declaring his admiration or asking for some collaboration. Things that really fullfill a man who is about to celebrate his 70th birthday." (...) ------ This is just FYI, and to give a few elements of response to those = (Jules AFAIR) who, a few months ago, questionned the possible influence of KHS on today's techno musicians. ----- BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is almost dead. I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Anyone ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 03 Feb 1998 20:21:24 +0100 on the official website at = http://www.jimstonebraker.com/stockhausen.html you'll find informations = about the stockhausen-verlag which is publishing a complete edtion as well.... -as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: jbv [SMTP:jbv.silences@wanadoo.fr] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 3. Februar 1998 19:41 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : "The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with LSD) before starting their band. Inventor of new musical forms as soon as in the 50s, Stockhausen built such works as Electronic Studies I & II or Hymnen, experimenting new synthetic sounds in spatial projection, untiringly carving out an innovative musical grammar. His latest creation : Electronic Music with Sound Stage from Freitag aus Licht. Stockhausen is about to "project" it in France (Feb 3 to 5, Paris, Parc de la Villette)." ------ Read in french newspaper Lib=E9ration (Feb 3, 1998) : "It's a fact : contemporary music and electro-acoustic music are gaining these days a new popularity. Especially among a young generation who tries to find in it the illusion of a "world". This explains that KH Stockhausen, musician of the "universe" par excellence, after fascinating the rock avant-garde of the 70s, is now mentionned as the major reference of today's most interesting techno hackers. It's interesting to hear the singer Bj=F6rk evoquing the Helikopter- Sreichquartett that the master created in 1993 and for which each member of a quartet used to play inside an helicopter transformed=20 into a studio flying in sync with the rotating propellers, to realize how his artistic move fills an expectation. As he told us a few days ago from his studio in K=F6ln, not one day = passes without receiving a mail from some techno artist declaring his admiration or asking for some collaboration. Things that really fullfill a man who is about to celebrate his 70th birthday." (...) ------ This is just FYI, and to give a few elements of response to those=20 (Jules AFAIR) who, a few months ago, questionned the possible influence of KHS on today's techno musicians. ----- BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is almost dead. I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Anyone ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:34:42 EST I believe, if you search farther on the web, there is a place that is Stockhausen's own where you can order CD's directly from him (or his publishing company or whatever...........) i've been meaning to do this but these CD's are very expensive. I don't know what the "official" Stockhausen web page is or even if it's official - all I know is I think I've been there! Someone else on this list surely must know this web page information though - I'd like to go there again............. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: (kw) Influnced by KRAFTWERK? Date: 03 Feb 1998 15:28:10 EST Autechre on Kraftwerk (A) http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The Show,808 State - Newbuild == (B) Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine I think) back in March kraftwerk it's more fun to compute There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been said before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track would always be in it. == (C) http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK „I was very interested in the electronic movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I wasn’t interested in the Techno scene in the mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" = (D) http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Q: What sorts of electronic music inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in the electronic movement in the 70's in Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, = (E) Alain Wilder NEW KRAFTWER? http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel album de Kraftwerk? (sourire)Je pense que ce sera très passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a comme possibilité pour rester innovateur. S'ils font un disque électronique à moins qu'ils le fassent d'une façon incroyable il risque de sonner daté. Alors je me demande s'ils vont faire quelque chose de similaire à ce qu'ils faisaient avant et s'écarter totalement de leur style. Je ne peux pas les imaginer s'écarter complètement de l'électronique. Peut-être von- -ils se camper dans leurs paramètres en essayant de s'intégrer aux 90's. Ca va être très difficile pour eux. = (F) Aphex Twin From the IDM comp Warp. what are you infunces ? RDJ: Computer world. = (G) some recent interview ? Bernard Sumner on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hannett and later with New Order = (H) an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment : ( Klaus Schulze Q.What are you playing in the studio lately KS Computer World non stop (I)? I also recall Alan Veaga kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 03 Feb 1998 15:58:29 -0600 Hope to see you in church next sunday... Hello, ok either your being a smartass(highly likely) or I was too preachy. If I was too preachy, than I apologize, I just had to get that message of my chest. Oh well. Could anyone out of curiousity, tell when Kraftwerk's last concert in the US was? Thanks. Yours Truly, Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Watson Subject: (kw) spudboys and eyeballs Date: 03 Feb 1998 22:01:46 +0000 If I die tonight I die a happy man - 20 years of ridicule and strange looks from everyone who knew I loved Kraftwerk , Devo and The Residents. To download 4 days mail and find out I'm not alone is such a relief. I stopped wearing my Devo "flowerpot" a few years ago when the stone throwing from those who didn't understand turned to bricks - maybe now I'll try it for size again. For those who are interested check out the Mutato site at www.mutato.com for some great Mothersbaugh/Devo stuff and www.wco.com/~eyeball for Residents info - they're 25 years old this year - great stuff. Life isn't that bad after all. Geoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 03 Feb 1998 23:32:29 +0100 Heather wrote: > > Hope to see you in church next sunday... > > Hello, ok either your being a smartass(highly likely) or I was too > preachy. If I was too preachy, than I apologize, I just had to get that > message of my chest. Don't apologize. Your message was really cute and I'm sure almost every list member agreed. > Oh well. Could anyone out of curiousity, tell when > Kraftwerk's last concert in the US was? Thanks. > Shortly after the arrival of the Mayflower... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 03 Feb 1998 17:03:55 EST On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 jbv writes: > >Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : > >"The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. >If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, >a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with >LSD) before starting their band. these guys really did acid? getouttahere.... tom w np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 04 Feb 1998 00:48:47 +0100 >I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the >unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I so high? maybe you can find them cheaper 2nd hand... it's likely that some K fan has bought them and found them to be too different from what he expexted. or maybe even the vinyl could come cheaper if the seller does not know what he's selling... :-) >was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In >other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's >by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a >similar sound. you are more or less right. these are tracks even more experimental, so to say. yes. I liked them. well made experiments. very listenable. you understand what Florian say when he say that he can listen music in any rumour. of course it's not only rumorism. little of it somewhere. buy maybe one and see. anyway I think you'll like them both. maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double album... someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the covers look like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 03 Feb 1998 17:03:55 EST On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:41:23 +0100 jbv writes: > >Read in french mag Technikart #19 Feb 98 (my translation) : > >"The techno movement has elected KW as its godfather long time ago. >If you go one step backwards, you'll find Karlheinz Stockhausen, >a composer whose concerts Ralf & Florian used to run to (loaded with >LSD) before starting their band. these guys really did acid? getouttahere.... tom w np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 04 Feb 1998 00:48:47 +0100 >I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the >unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! Ow!) I so high? maybe you can find them cheaper 2nd hand... it's likely that some K fan has bought them and found them to be too different from what he expexted. or maybe even the vinyl could come cheaper if the seller does not know what he's selling... :-) >was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them for me. In >other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on vinyl, and it's >by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two albums have a >similar sound. you are more or less right. these are tracks even more experimental, so to say. yes. I liked them. well made experiments. very listenable. you understand what Florian say when he say that he can listen music in any rumour. of course it's not only rumorism. little of it somewhere. buy maybe one and see. anyway I think you'll like them both. maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double album... someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the covers look like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR" Subject: (kw) to our italian KW friends - Crown Records Date: 04 Feb 1998 01:21:47 -0400 Hello everybody, specially our friends from Italy... (Buonasera!) Some time ago, I could buy a KRAFTWERK 1 bootleg (without bonus). It's from "CROWN RECORDS", CR 0423-2 (1994). Anyone have it? The traffic cone on both covers is not red, as we would expect, but magenta / rose, with a lot of 'aliasing' effects... very strange! The CD is surely not a copy from Germanofon issues, it was taken from a different vinyl LP!! - some track times are a little bit different, and also some tracks are a bit noisy sometimes than Germanofon issues (I compared with the two others - with and without bonus)... Here goes their 'published' address on the CD: Crown Records Ltd Italy, 20058 Villasanta Vla Vicinale Della Briosca 155. By what I know, 'Vla Vicinale Della Briosca' could be translated like 'street ['vicinale'] of the cock (penis)' (!!?!) - but I hope that I'm just not good on italian and that it may be a valid address... !! May any KW italian fan verify this to us? If they exists, they may have other bootlegs... !! *** GOOOOD! *** Also, does anyone have anything else (even not KW) from 'CROWN RECORDS' ?? ciao! ArrivederLa! Bye! Tchau! at=E9! Gis revido! Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR Composition, arrangement and musical production. mailto:avellar@softhome.net Sao Paulo/SP - BRAZIL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 03 Feb 1998 23:45:03 +0500 On 04-Feb-98, lbo wrote: >maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power >Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double >album... >someone has the two vinyls in the separate, original edition? how do the >covers look like? You mean the KRAFTWERK and KRAFTWERK 2 releases on Philips? They both use the traffic cones (orange-and-white for the first one, green-and-white for the second) on both sides-- no extra artwork, although there are photo credits listed on each cover. (?!?!?) Maybe I've got some later pressings, and the earlier ones had pictures on the inner sleeves? -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back Date: 04 Feb 1998 04:02:37 +0000 jbv wrote: > BTW, does anyone know if the Hymnen have been reissued on CD ? You'll find Hymnen released by Stockhausen-Verlag, whose address is Stockhausen-Verlag Kettenberg 15 51515 K\"urten Germany Cat# is o10, costing DM 138 (it is a 4 CD-set). There is a site on the net that has extensive information on all material by the composer, including CDs, books and whatever. Unfortunately, there are no facilities to buy via the net, so you'll have to mail the order in case you're interested. The URL is http://www.jimstonebraker.com/stockhausen.html > I didn't find anything on the Web, Deutsch Grammophon doesn't have > any Stockhausen work in its catalogue anymore, and my vinyl copy is > almost dead. Gruppen had a new release last year on DG from a 1994 recording, which I bought. It is quite possible that Stockhausen finally bought the rights to the recording (as he is doing with all his material, with a very few exceptions) and perhaps DG had to discontinue this release. > I've been told that there was a Stockhausen Publishing Company in > Germany which started to reissue most of his compositions, but it > seems like that stuff is almost impossible to find. Impossible, no. Expensive, yes! BTW, I was fortunate enough to tape the broadcast of the Helikopter-Streichquartett so, if you wish, we may trade some video material. It is a very interesting documentary, focusing on behind-the-scenes activity, particularly the preparation of the piece and discussions with the Arditti String Quartet. Best regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) The Third World Date: 04 Feb 1998 13:13:57 +0800 (SGT) jbv said: >The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East >Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of >"A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the >complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just to >make money by spoiling the tastes of teenagers from Third World >countries... Does saying deliberately inflammatory stuff like this really give you such a big kick? It's so boring. Chong Ching Ching Singapore The Third World # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) THE MIX desktop-pict Date: 03 Feb 1998 13:00:15 +0100 Godday, Ive just put the desktop-picture for THE MIX on one of my KW pages, for you who hasn't visited my site before I warn you, I'm one of these ISDN connected guys who dont know what its like to use a modem, but I want my pictures to be of optimal quality and its supposed to look nice even on BI= G screens like mine=2E Anyway, feel free to download at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/themix=2Ehtml Regards / Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lech Linkiel Subject: Re: (kw) Karlheinz strikes back.. & the lyric affair. Date: 04 Feb 1998 09:57:35 +0100 Yes, "Hymnen" has been re-issued.. as a nine (that's 9) CD-box; check http://www.skivhugget.se - they've got a ton or so of Stockhausen.. (& other stuff like Elektric M & Yamo..). "Boku wa ongaku ka, dentaku kata te ni.." Did anyone notice that, while the technophiles were busy mudslinging each other off topic, silent cries went out for the lyrics to "Dentaku" & "Minicalculateur"? Any of our Japanese & French friends get that? --lech@netg.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 04 Feb 1998 09:33:02 -0000 Hi, There is a page full of tour dates, it's run by our very own Twingo, the URL is:- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World Date: 04 Feb 1998 11:00:35 +0100 usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: > > Does saying deliberately inflammatory stuff like this really give you such a big kick? It's so boring. > > Chong Ching Ching > Singapore > The Third World > I guess that it's "Third World countries" that caught your attention and sparkled off your anger. OK, I retract it for I realize it can be shocking in some ways. But I think you shouldn't jump on every word you read without considering the context. It's so predictable... Actually the main topic was Annie Lennox. I can tell you that I spent most of my time in South-East Asia between 92 and 95, and it really pissed me off at certain times to hear her cover of "A Whiter Shade of Pale" almost everywhere I used to go. Coming from the West, I really had the feeling that those fucking major record companies adopted that contemptuous attitude which consist in considering Asian countries as 2nd grade nations (but with an ever growing population of middle-class consumers) where they have the opportunity to recycle and market western glories of the past, when they should (IMO) promote local talents. And it also pissed me off to see that AL could be the complacent toy of such practices. As you can see, so-called Thrid World wasn't exactly the main target of my message. May be I should have made it more explicit, but then I'm afraid that my postings will be 5 Mb long... Another thing I'd like to say is that Asian countries (or at least their politicians and/or media) are also quite complacent towards the american cultural / economical model. Of course, you can say exactly the same about other countries (just like yesterday when french prime minister shaked Bill Gates' hand - but that's another story). A good example is satellite TV and music channels such as Channel V which covers a large area, from Middle-East to Indonesia. In a naive attitude, one could have imagined at the beginning of the 90s that it could reveal tons of fantastic local talents. But as time went by, the amount of local productions on the air has been constantly reduced, in favor of american mainstream stuff. And most of the local items that are still played are pretty closed to american musical standards. I can tell you that a couple of years ago, it took me several days to track down a song by Thai singer Christina that I had heard in a taxi. Some local people knew the song, but had no idea of who was singing. Another problem in SE Asia, is that despite large cultural / ethnic communities and apparent political / cultural integration, everyone listens only music from his own cultural community (Thais listen to Thai music, Vietnamese listen to vietnamese and chinese music, Chinese listen to chinese music, Indians listen to indian music, Malays listen to malay music, etc etc). And this seems even more true in places such as Malaysia and Singapore, where there are 3 large communities (Malay, Chinese and Indian). For instance : a few weeks ago I was in Thailand and I spotted on Channel V a very nice song by Sukhbir, an artist I've never heard of before. The style was bhangra so I went to Tower Records where they have large sections of asian pop, and where I hoped I could find an indian- bhangra section as well. But nobody had heard of that, and no trace of that guy on their computer files. Then I went to little India, where nobody had heard of him either. I made some net research from a local cyber-cafe and found that he was indian / pakistanese with a studio based in Dubai. A couple of weeks later I went to Penang (Malaysia) and finally found his first album in little India. And don't tell me it was some obscure thing, for that 1st album had been released on BMG. Of course, the song I've seen on Channel V wasn't on that album. As you seem to live in Singapore, and as I know that lots of things can be found over there (including KW bootlegs at very low prices), do you have any more info on that ? Regards, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wadsworth, Troy" Subject: (kw) i'm new Date: 04 Feb 1998 04:28:09 -0600 Hi everyone, I just subscribed to the list. I live in Texas and am 24 years. Though not a long time fan of kw (obviously by my age), these last four years I have gone nuts buying the music and etc. I have almost nothing to trade (of kw at least) except "the man machine recreated". I do have a cd burner though and an extensive collection of other stuff. I would love to get my dirty little hands on some live stuff....In fact , if anyone out there could tell me where I could purchase a copy of that double cd boot from last years show, I would forever be in yer debt :) thanx troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Third World - part 2 Date: 04 Feb 1998 11:44:33 +0100 This is an addendum to my previous answer to our friend from Singapore (I didn't include it in the previous post, for I'm afraid some of you get bored when messages get too long). This discussion about local music productions is IMO quite ON topic on this list. If you consider most of the KW interviews I've posted for several months, you'll see that the interest for local "ethnic" = sounds, the necessity for every nation / community to develop its own musical / cultural standards and (to say that shortly) "resist" the american mainstream music influence, have been stressed out by R&F since the mid-70s. This topic has been almost systematically skipped by Bussy in his book, and I regret it for I regard it as one of the most interesting sides of KW musical endeavour. BUT (coz ther's always a but - or a butt ? ) I sometimes find KW = attitude toward this issue a bit ambiguous. Please consider the evolution of their lyrics : - 1974 : Autobahn, german lyrics only - 1976 : RA, after the success of the previous album in the US, songs feature lyrics both in german and english - 1977 : TEE, after the success of RA in France, they have a song in french (les Mannequins) and they also mention paris and Les Champs Elys=E9es - 1981 : after the emergence of japanese synth pop bands such as YMO, they make a jap version of PC, and release it as a single with a cover that clearly imitates (or at least "quotes") japanese products - 1986 : after the success of CW in the NY hispanic club, big surprise, several tunes on EC feature spanish lyrics. If the way they adapt their lyrics to various cultures is great (and quite unusual for a pop band), it also puzzles me to see that this attitude "evolves" according to their commercial successes... jbv P.S. I'm not sure how the russian lyrics of MM fit into the above picture... Does our friend from Prague have any opinion on this ? Didn't Ralf said once that they realized at the end of the 70s that several bootlegs of their albums were released in Eastern Europe, this being one of the main reasons why the CW tour hit such places as Budapest and Prague ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) to our italian KW friends - Crown Records Date: 04 Feb 1998 12:31:20 +0100 (MET) > Crown Records Ltd > Italy, 20058 Villasanta > Vla Vicinale Della Briosca 155. >=20 > By what I know, 'Vla Vicinale Della Briosca' could be translated like > 'street ['vicinale'] of the cock (penis)' (!!?!) - but I hope that I'm just > not good on italian and that it may be a valid address... !!=0A This is definitely a valid address...give me some time to check it out. "Briosca" means a lot of things in northern Italian dialects...I suspect you didn't choose the best translation ;-) Peace, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) Latest Kraftwerk MIDI - Tiny update Date: 04 Feb 1998 06:50:23 -0500 For all the MIDI file buffs out there... I've made a tiny change to the ZKM Song #2 MIDI file. It turns out that due to some major instrument inconsistencies between 512k, 2M, 4M, 5M, and 8M Vienna and Chaos soundbanks, certain instruments were not reproduced as I would like. The new version I just posted now reflects the necessary change to eliminate this problem. np: "Home Computer" np=Now Programming ;) -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 04 Feb 1998 12:11:15 -0000 >http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html Thanks to Jules for posting this web site address, I thought it made quite interesting reading. It's interesting to know not only where they have played but which towns in our relevant local areas once had major bands playing live! I would also be interested in knowing if anyone has, or knows of any live KW performances on vinyl (obviously bootlegs), being up for sale. I am primarily interested in the 1981 and earlier tours. Many thanks, Craig. PS. Bernard Sumner from New Order was again being interviewed on a UK music show last night, he didn't mention anything about KW, he just mentioned that all the guys in New Order have finally got together again after a few years apart doing solo projects. Maybe we can expect something good, it's been a while. He did mention that there will be a four CD box set of Joy Division material re-released which will include some rare, never released on CD, material,.....sounds good even if it is for the manic depressive's!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Date: 04 Feb 1998 13:21:32 +0000 JB Morgan wrote: While significantly different, however, I listen to them just as much as the later albums. I definitely recommend them, even at such a painful price. >>>Yeah I just lurv Tanzmusik (totally brilliant), oh and Heimatklange, that's fantastic too. Gimme that older stuff over The Mix-up anytime. Now I feel like clapping and whooping in a strange Germanic kinda way! Rich Bill Clinton? What a man! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Weird (but true) story Date: 04 Feb 1998 15:34:46 +0100 Well, I'm contributing a lot these days... Hope you don't see it as a boring monologue... Anyway, here's something I wanted to talk about for a while... My apologies if it's been discussed already, but I didn't find anything in the archives. I have a vinyl copy of EC which I bought in Paris in nov. 86 (the label is still on it). Telephone Call starts side 2, and in the last part of that song, there are a few "holes" in the sound. In other words, it's just like someone had quickly hit the Mute key of the console a few times in a row... I must admit that it always sounded strange to me, even back in 86, but at the same time, this album is so full of weird delays & reverbs & panings (for 86), that I thought Kervokian had drunk too much french wine (or smoked too much of the studio carpet) and that it was just another hip effect... And I learned to live with it. I must confess that I never really listened side 2 of EC too much, for I never really liked it... Anyway, you can imagine my surprise when a few weeks ago I happened to listen to a CD version of EC and guess what : nothing like that on Telephone call !! I checked carefully again (I remember doing so in 86) but the vinyl isn't scratched nor damaged, and the needle doesn't jump. I transfered that tune to my HD, applied a 20 Hz cuttof hi-pass filter to it in order to remove the turntable rumble, and here it is, very clear : a few short silences. A friend of mine suggested that I left this album for too long in the closet, and that the sound might have been eaten by moth. Ha Ha Ha ! For those interested, if you set an SMTPE time of 00:00:00 at the beginning of the song, it happens between 06:26:10 and 06:32:12, when a voice says "the number you've called is wrong - please call information". Frankly, I don't really know what to think about it. IMO something happened during the mastering session (not during the mix) : for example an engineer checking something and pressing the Mute key (to compare 2 sound sources) but didn't notice that the monitor output was connected straight to the mastering device... Anyway it raises a few questions like : does anyone at EMI check the matrix before starting to duplicate ? And more important : don't KW attend the mastering sessions of their albums ? Does anyone have a clue on that ? Is it just peanuts, or do I have a collector which is worth 10 millions $ ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World Date: 04 Feb 1998 10:06:07 -0600 > >>The fact that A. Lennox reached huge sales especially in South-East >>Asia with her last album and with such useless stuff as a cover of >>"A Whiter Shade of Pale" pisses me off to see how she can be the >>complaisant toy of greedy music bussinessmen whose goal is just Umm...that's making the assumption that doing that cover wasn't her idea. AFAIK, it was. All the covers (which I think ws the whole album, but I can't remember) were songs she grew up listening to and wanted to record herself. Personally I thought it was a weak album, especially since I thought "Diva" was an excellent pop disc. Still, I doubt she was being "manipulated" by "greedy music businessmen" since they were, after all, her favorite songs. I can't picture the CEO of Capitol records storming into a recording session and shouting "You! Lennox! Dammit, you're gunna record all your favorite songs, and you're gunna LIKE it!" If they'd been aiming for marketing reasons, they'd have probably requested another album of originals, since the first one sold so well. ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key Segmentation Fault (core dumped) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) The Third World Date: 04 Feb 1998 16:19:18 -0000 >I can't picture the CEO of Capitol records storming into a >recording session and shouting "You! Lennox! Dammit, you're gunna record >all your favorite songs, and you're gunna LIKE it!" Or,............ "Oi you, Lennox, ...........NO"! "If Annie Lennox came round here with her weak cover versions, I would have to say, Lennox, NO. I respect your years of solid work from the Tourists right upto your solo albums like Diva, but keep your cover ideas to yourself". (UK residents who are fans of 'Harry Enfield' will know what I am talking about,....sorry to everyone else,....just good ole Brit humour!!). Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Weird (but true) story Date: 04 Feb 1998 15:43:45 -0000 jbv spewed:- > >Does anyone have a clue on that ? Is it just peanuts, or do I have a >collector which is worth 10 millions $ ? > Well, if you have a 10 million dollar copy, then so do I. It happens on mine too. ciao, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 04 Feb 1998 17:42:43 +0000 lbo wrote: > maybe in the cd edition you don't see the pictures of a flower-power > Florian with long hair and elephant legs trousers that where on the double > album... Oh yes, you get the pictures alright. At least you do in the Germanofon releases. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) ZKM song 2 Date: 04 Feb 1998 19:31:25 MET-1 Greetings! Has anybody managed to dl the complete 2:nd untitled ZKM song in mpeg-audio format via John Talbert's site? I get an average dl rate at ~~150 cps no matter which time of day I try, so with the Swedish phone rates it's simply not possible. If you have got it, I'd be much obliged if you could upload it to your homepage or mail it directly to me (mail me first for confirmation so that I don't have to get my diskquota totally crammed). If I get the file, I'll naturally make it available via my homepage. If anbody missed the 1:st "ZKM song" or the "Tribal Gathering song", they're also available at my homepage (in mpeg(3)-audio): http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/kw.html -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM song 2 Date: 04 Feb 1998 13:07:06 PST >Has anybody managed to dl the complete 2:nd untitled ZKM song in >mpeg-audio format via John Talbert's site? I get an average dl rate at >~~150 cps no matter which time of day I try, so with the Swedish phone >rates it's simply not possible. You can get it from my super-fast web server at: http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kraftwerk/KW_ZKM_U.ZIP The URL is case sensitive ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 04 Feb 1998 22:03:40 -0800 I was hit with an overwhelming wave of pleasure and a whiff of nostalgia = when listening to New Gold Dream (81,82,83,84) by Simple Minds today. = For a moment when the album was released it seemed as though Simple = Minds would develop into the biggest band in the world. This moment = passed and U2 raced ahead.=20 Despite been beaten by U2, Simple Minds had with NGD (81,82,83,84) = produced one of the most INFLUENTIAL and BEST ELECTRONIC albums of all = time. Simple Minds with the assistance of Peter Walsh effortlessly = produced beautiful melodies, backed with surreal electronic soundscapes, = showing you can HAVE IT ALL. Tracks such as Glittering Prize, Somewhere = In Summertime and Promised You A Miracle set new standards in the race = to manufacture concise and elegant electronic music which maintained a = human face. Whilst bands like Erasure and PSBs produced ineffectual and ultimately = worthless electronic albums that went bleep bleep blurp, SM and others = such as Godley and Creme provided the basis for a different progression = from Numan and HL than Kraftwerk did with CW and Electric Cafe.=20 In the years following its release Simple Minds were never able to = recapture the exuberance and exhilaration of NGD. Band members were cast = overboard (allegedly in an attempt by Kerr and Burchill to take a bigger = percentage of the profits) until only Kerr and Burchill remained. = Several studio albums followed each successively selling less than its = predecessor did. In 1995 Good News From The Next World was released = which will probably prove to be their commercial and artistic nadir. Since 1995 there have been no new releases from SM. The current issue of = 'Q' magazine has a feature on the new work SM have recently completed. = For the first time since NGD they have worked with Peter Walsh, = additionally original bassist Derek Forbes has been recalled. The new = album is lavish in its use of synthesizers and apparently evokes = favourable comparison with NGD. The excitement of hearing NGD was only = comparable with the excitement of meeting a new woman. Therefore I am = keenly looking forward to the new SM album.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Third World Date: 04 Feb 1998 22:04:02 -0800 In reply to jbv, Eric wrote: >Umm...that's making the assumption that doing that cover wasn't her = idea. AFAIK, it was. All the covers (which I think ws the whole album, but I can't remember) were songs she grew up listening to and wanted to record herself. Personally I thought it was a weak album, especially since I thought "Diva" was an excellent pop disc. < I am in complete agreement with the points you make. Medussa does indeed = contain personal favourites of Annie Lennox rather than the record = company. Indeed, I'm sure the record company would have chosen more = commercially successful songs. Indeed Annie Lennox has always appeared intelligent and independent in = interviews. I can't imagine her doing something against her will. Lets = not forget that Annie Lennox contributed much to the development of = electronic music with the early Eurythmics albums - In the garden, Sweet = Dreams, Touch and 1984. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 04 Feb 1998 17:41:38 -0500 <> Someone, please let me know why people have to put something down to exalt something else. It's counterproductive and certainly doesn't shine well on both object of praise and critic. -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: RE: (kw) Weird (but true) story Date: 04 Feb 1998 23:45:14 +0100 jbv asked:- >>Does anyone have a clue on that ? Is it just peanuts, or do I have a >>collector which is worth 10 millions $ ? >> Jules hopefully:- >Well, if you have a 10 million dollar copy, then so do I. It happens on mine >too. > well, it doesn't on mine! (english version), no $ for me. :( /Kotta # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Do Kraftwerk make their own albums? Date: 04 Feb 1998 23:10:47 -0800 jbv wrote: >Anyway it raises a few questions like : does anyone at EMI check the matrix before starting to duplicate ? And more important : don't KW attend the mastering sessions of their albums ?< You ask 2 excellent questions. Perhaps EMI can directly provide an = answer to your first question. Unfortunately extrapolating an answer to = your second question may be more difficult! Therefore, let us expand the = question and speculate.....The question in its new form is...."How much = involvement do Kraftwerk have in the making of their own albums?" I will = consider each of the different phases of an albums manufacture and mark = H & S out of 10 on each: 1) The concept (5/10) Although Kraftwerk were once known for developing a 'theme' through an = album, EC and The Mix have arguably changed this. I'll hedge my bets = here. H & S have probably developed concepts with the assistance of = others including Emil Schult. 2) Choosing instrumentation (5/10) Kraftwerk have worked with engineers and synth manufacturers to push = back the boundaries of technology. Despite providing more input at this = stage than most other groups they have increasingly relied on = off-the-shelf kit. 3) Laying down the initial tracks (10/10) Here I would suggest Kraftwerk have operated with a large degree of = autonomy at Kling-Klang. Despite wasting much time drinking coffee and = boring KB senseless with discussion of bicycles their input at this = stage can not be falted. 4) Album recording and mixing (4/10) Often outside engineers have been brought in. Kervorkian, Orbit etc in = more recent times. Even Man Machine received an outside mix. Their = dependance on external mixers has occassionally disappointed me. 5) Mastering etc (3/10) JBV questioned this stage. There is little evidence to suggest they have = much involvement here. 5) Marketing / Promotion (1/10) Kraftwerk have done very little to assist in the promotion of their = records. Making more effort in this area may have turned them into a = massive commerical success. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Weird (but true) story Date: 05 Feb 1998 00:40:07 +0100 Kotta wrote: > > jbv asked:- > >>Does anyone have a clue on that ? Is it just peanuts, or do I have a > >>collector which is worth 10 millions $ ? > >> > Jules hopefully:- > >Well, if you have a 10 million dollar copy, then so do I. It happens on > mine > >too. > > > > well, it doesn't on mine! (english version), no $ for me. > :( > > /Kotta > So, this is the 20 millions $ list. So far... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding%IDX1@idx.com Subject: (kw) pet shop boys. Date: 02 Feb 1998 16:53:24 -0500 was this an honest to goodness thread? the logic is rather bizzarre....okay, so, if buddy holly sounds like shit compared to say the pet shop boys, (and he does), that negates the importance and beauty of buddy's work? i don't think so... here's why the comparison is faulty. the pet shop boys (as far as i know) didn't need to rework their synths to get the sounds they wanted...they came from the factory just fine for them. they didn't need to invent their own percussion, they didn't need to do much beyond write their songs. no building studios, nothing... i could be wrong...i'm just guessing, actually. even if i am wrong, i'm guessing the "specs" behind a pet shop boys studio wouldn't involve much beyond installing existing equipment. i won't argue the merits of their music, since i'll admit i know nothing of it beyond the hits. still, when you hear an echo, or a trill at the end of a passage on a kw song, realize that it may have taken a bit more work than it did later on in the era. the same holds true for buddy holly. realise that he was overdubbing his own voice, or that earlier - les paul was overdubbing his own guitar, and manipulating tape!! - these are innovations that pale in comparison to later recordings, but, the charm is in listening to them and realising what it took to get THAT SOUND! that's the charm of kraftwerk. sure, latter day "techno pop" may shine brighter, but, the allure is something quite different. as for the minimalist lyrics, and composition, they're aquired tastes. i wouldn't expect (and i'm not being a snob here) a fan of modern techno pop to be blown away by kraftwerk. it takes a little work (no pun intended) to find the charm. kraftwerk, while dabbling in pop, are much more obtuse than the "average band". minimalism isn't supposed to hit you the same way a sugar coated pop song is. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM song 2 Date: 05 Feb 1998 00:04:27 MET-1 On 04-Feb-98 A.D., Pete Liethen carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) ZKM song 2": >You can get it from my super-fast web server at: >http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kraftwerk/KW_ZKM_U.ZIP Thanks! Now it's also available at my homepage, but the URL I mailed before was incorrect. It should be: http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/lager/kw.html -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Do Kraftwerk make their own albums? Date: 04 Feb 1998 19:53:49 EST >4) Album recording and mixing (4/10) >Often outside engineers have been brought in. Kervorkian, Orbit etc in more >recent times. Even Man Machine received an outside mix. Their dependance on >external mixers has occassionally disappointed I read on the Cleopatra release of Trans Europe Express that one of the engineers during mixdown was Bill Halverson at the Record Plant in Hollywood.....I was wondering - is this also on the original? (remember that this is the same release that has the lyrics as "elegence and thick curtains......" so I have to wonder.) The reason I ask is because I went to a small engineering school in Ohio a few years ago and Bill Halverson was the 'guest speaker.' He couldn't stop talking about the killer guitar sound he used to get with some famous rock star in the 70's.......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) pet shop boys. Date: 04 Feb 1998 20:06:35 EST >here's why the comparison is faulty. the pet shop boys (as far as i know) >didn't need to rework their synths to get the sounds they wanted...they >came from the factory just fine for them. they didn't need to invent their >own percussion, they didn't need to do much beyond write their songs. no >building studios, nothing... >i could be wrong...i'm just guessing, actually. even if i am wrong, i'm >guessing the "specs" behind a pet shop boys studio wouldn't involve much >beyond installing existing equipment. Well - if you listen closely to Computer World, you realize that most of the sounds are very easy to achieve with some pretty normal analog synthesizers. I'm guessing the "main" drum sounds were triggered by the percussionists but I'm also guessing that a lot of the "percussive" type sounds (especially the clicks in Numbers and Computer World II) were programmed with the MC-8 they were using. This sound (as well as nearly every bass sound, plink, bleep, bloop, and staccato sound) is very very easy for me to duplicate using my MC-4 and some synthesizers.............and if I put the drums through a pitch shifter with the feedback quite high, I get the *exact* same effect that the drums on Numbers have - that of a "boing" quality. The most interesting aspects of Computer World intellectually, for me, are the vocal aspects, the strange start-stop abrubt reverb endings mainly found on Home Computer (which I think were done with tape loops or some other tape-based technique), and the sheer extent of the programming of the MC-8 involved. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 04 Feb 1998 20:40:39 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, **************** wrote: > Despite been beaten by U2, Simple Minds had with NGD (81,82,83,84) >produced one of the most INFLUENTIAL and BEST ELECTRONIC albums of all ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ooo! Keywords! Folks, always remember to use those words when talking about an album, KW or not. :) Well, now that I've been goaded into posting on the topic, I might as well state my position. I like the KW list as it is. I like to see some comparative discussion of KW versus other groups, as long as a thread doesn't totally diverge into something that belongs elsewhere. I don't mind getting deluges of mail from the list. I usually just skim for things that interest me anyway. My only gripe is that some people tend to over-react or be unduly... uhm... _forceful_ in expressing their opinions. There's nothing wrong with having strong opinions. I have some myself. But let's try to keep a civil keyboard. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 05 Feb 1998 05:43:50 +0100 >I was hit with an overwhelming wave of pleasure and a whiff of nostalgia >when listening to New Gold Dream (81,82,83,84) by Simple Minds today. >For a moment when the album was released it seemed as though Simple >Minds would develop into the biggest band in the world. This moment passed >and U2 raced ahead. well, I have a theory of my own about NGD, and I'll write it down when then new wave will be in the textbooks of the schools like literature, and it's that NGD represented the acme of it all. '84 was a nodal point for new wave. some groups at last capitalized on their first, more "minimal" efforts made in the period in which a sinth and a drum machine was enough (think to the first Human League, or Depeche Mode, or the same first Simple Minds), so if from one side it get completely away with the "you don't have to be a rock star to do it" spirit of the beginning (an attitude that begun with punk and that I somewhat see on the new electro and trance scene), from the other side produced something of the best music ever heard, NGD, Trevor Horn's Propaganda, U2 Pride... club life were so nice and I was 14 year younger. after it... well, I see a sort of stagnation. further Simple Minds album were brilliant, of course, but they become too mainstream, they learned to play and this ruined them (listen to "The Americans" or "Themes for great cities", when they didn't know how to play... that was great...). and after it we had cover on cover, revival and all that involuted stuff. ok, absolutely no K content on this... >Whilst bands like Erasure and PSBs produced ineffectual and ultimately >worthless electronic albums that went bleep bleep blurp, SM and others such I won't say Erasure and PSB are so worthless... what should we say about some New Order outlets, then? they are bands that built their consensus over a good quality musical product, even if sometimes with little personality, and a sort of musician-listener empathy. their songs are deliberately smooth no-pretense danse songs, they make an easy living with that, and their public project themselves in this smoothiness. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 04 Feb 1998 12:35:16 EST On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) Chris Harback writes: > > >Hello everyone, > >I'm very new to this list, so please excuse me if this question has >been asked ad nauseum in the past. > >I've finally tracked down Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 on CD-- the >unofficial Germanofon releases, but before I buy them (at $25 each! >Ow!) I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to preview them >for me. In other works, what should I expect? I own Ralf & Florian on >vinyl, and it's by far my favorite Kraftwerk, so I hope that these two >albums have a similar sound. I have the albums Kraftwerk (Kraftwerk 1?) and Kraftwerk 2...I have never heard Ralf & Florian, so I can't really tell you how they vary. On playing these for a friend of mine, he remarked that it is definately "stoner" music. I don't know about that, but it is a neat effect. Probably the way I would describe them is to describe it track-by track. Personally, I consider Kraftwerk to not be my favorite - Kraftwerk 2 and Autobahn are my favorites. The Kraftwerk 2 is a Germanofon, and my Kraftwerk is a Gema with a "bonus track" that may well not be on the Germanofon release. I paid $7 used for the Kraftwerk 2, and $32 for the Kraftwerk. The Kraftwerk 2 I consider to be one of the best deals I've ever gotten on a record, and I would have paid $25 for it...Kraftwerk though...I probably would have left it behind...although I've got it now, and I am keeping it. The interesting thing to note is that these albums were done without the synths that were the mainstay of their music from Autobahn on. Yet, they are very much like their later music, they were able to play "conventional" instruments (guitar, organ, flute, violin, drums, etc) in the style which we have gotten to know and love. I don't speak (much) German myself, the English translations of the titles were done for me, so I don't know how correct they are. Times are after the translations. Kraftwerk: 1) Ruckzuck (Quick & Fast) 7:47 I don't know quite how to describe this other than it involves "nested" syncopated rythyms, and is my second favorite song on this album. 2) Stratovarius (Stratovarius) 12:10 My second least favorite Kraftwerk song...sounds like instruments playing along with a badly tuned and played violin. 3) Megaherz (Megahertz) 9:30 Interesting play in sounds available with these instruments. I like this one. 4) Vom Himmel Hoch (From Heaven High) 10:12 Without a doubt, my favorite song from this album. Sounds like airplanes flying overhead, a variety of them, continuing to a variety of other sounds. Overall, I like this track a lot. The stereo effects on this cut are pretty good. 5) Ruckzuck (recorded live in Cologne 1975) 9:25 A synth version of Ruckzuck. Interesting. Kraftwerk 2 1) Klingklang (Ding Dong) 17:36 My favorite Kraftwerk song. Starts with noise (reminding me of banging pipes or bells) then moves into a rather harmonious part. This is in like four "movements", plus an it=nteresting trick where it appears that the record is speeding up and slowing down, then it acts as though the turntable has been unplugged as the music pitch and tempo slowly grinds to a halt and stops...after several seconds, it picks up again, but in a different movement. I have adopted this cut as my personal theme song. I love it. 2) Atem (Breath) 2:57 The title describes it better than I could. I personally find it highly annoying, and it is undoubtedly my least liked Kraftwerk song. 3) Strom (Electricty) 3:52 The intro...I can just picture a guitar spitting out sparks and flames while someone tries to play it anyway. After the intro, becomes a very mello interplay of guitar and other instruments. 4) Spule 4 (there is some ambiguity of the translation of Spule - it can mean spool, coil, solenoid or bobbin depending on the context) 5:20 This is another one that is difficult to describe. 5) Wellenlange (Wavelength - actually the a has 2 dots over it, and I can't do it with this English language software) 9:40 Another sensitive interplay. It's hard to tell where track 4 ends and track 5 begins if you aren't watching the counter. 6) Harmonika (Harmonica) 3:17 Another well described song. Sounds like a harmonica. Hope this helps! Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Fed up with EMI? Date: 04 Feb 1998 22:51:17 -0500 Can you believe that there's no mention at all of a certain band at EMI's 100th anniversary website (http://www.emi100.com)? I think I smell a conspiracy. Speaking of EMI's vast catalog, check out "Merenexitos," on EMI Latin (H2-23390 or 7243 8 23390 2 1). Merengue's one of the music world's best-kept secrets! Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) Electronic orgasm Date: 04 Feb 1998 09:50:00 +0000 >listening to New Gold Dream (81,82,83,84) by Simple Minds today. Oops. This is a Kraftwerk list, and if I wanted to listen to complacent formless stadium rock..well, I wouldn't be here. Much I hate to say this Simple Minds records just don't stand up as of any artistic or musical worth. Any band dull enough to put out a double live album as dreary as "Live In the City of Light" with its crowd pleasing drum solos, extended workouts, etc.. really should be rationed to making less records. Whilst some of the PSB/Erasure records may sound a bit dated now due to the nature of the technology, they were using the lyric content and artistic vision seems more perceptive than the dull rock platitudes. No offence to anyone, this is just my opinion. Just listen to the new Kraftwerk stuff, and if you forget who it is that's making it, it's bloody good. If you listen to it, compared to the peerless 1976-86 material, maybe it suffers, but on it's own terms independent of the wealth of history that in a way dwarfs Kraftwerk's own musical output., it stands on it's own. Maybe Kraftwerk's past is paralysing their future moves... -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Do Kraftwerk make their own albums? Date: 05 Feb 1998 09:08:53 +0100 SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > > >4) Album recording and mixing (4/10) > >Often outside engineers have been brought in. Kervorkian, Orbit etc in more > >recent times. Even Man Machine received an outside mix. Their dependance on > >external mixers has occassionally disappointed > > I read on the Cleopatra release of Trans Europe Express that one of the > engineers during mixdown was Bill Halverson at the Record Plant in > Hollywood.....I was wondering - is this also on the original? (remember that > this is the same release that has the lyrics as "elegence and thick > curtains......" so I have to wonder.) The reason I ask is because I went to a > small engineering school in Ohio a few years ago and Bill Halverson was the > 'guest speaker.' He couldn't stop talking about the killer guitar sound he > used to get with some famous rock star in the 70's.......... > That's incredible, man ! Listen : on the 1977 vinyl copy of TEE I have, Bill Halverson is also credited as engineer. And according to a 1976 interview of R&F I posted earlier (it's somewhere at Klaus site) they say that they did the final mix of that LP at the Record Plant in L.A. And, believe it or not, I've been thinking for a while that it could be fairly possible to track down the man, lock him somewhere, and try to get his memories about those mix sessions. Is there anything you could do ? I'm sure lots of people on this list would be thrilled by that... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) pet shop boys. [uk] Date: 05 Feb 1998 09:40:56 -0000 > >here's why the comparison is faulty. the pet shop boys (as far as I know) >didn't need to rework their synths to get the sounds they wanted...they >came from the factory just fine for them. they didn't need to invent their >own percussion, they didn't need to do much beyond write their songs. no >building studios, nothing... > Nothing. Yep, that just about sums up PSB. Preset sounds, preset songs. Is it me, or do they keep releasing the same song? > >I could be wrong...I'm just guessing, actually. even if I am wrong, I'm >guessing the "specs" behind a pet shop boys studio wouldn't involve much >beyond installing existing equipment. > hehe, agreed. 'Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in' ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) KLINGKLANG vs. EMI Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:05:08 +0100 hi werkers, i think, you overestimate the role and the function of EMI concerning = KW's productions.... IMHO, EMI is just the *distributor* of KLING-KLANG releases. KK is still = an independent label. and if EMI really woundn't be satisfied with recent KW works, as the = roumor says, any other majorlabel would be delighted to distribute KW... actually, for EMI disributing KW is no big deal i think. KW is a = self-runner. they wouldn't intervine KW's creative process i suppose... .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) pet shop boys. [uk] Date: 05 Feb 1998 10:16:49 -0000 >hehe, agreed. 'Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn tape >deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in' ;-) ..."When I press the special key, it plays a little melody"!!!!! Now where have we heard that before?!! He, he, he. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) spudboys and eyeballs Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:42:40 +0100 Hi everyone! Been a while since I had the time to read the postings. But a posting with both "spud" and "eyeball" i the Subject on the KW-list is a must-read. I raise my dome/top-hat to you Geoff! On a more Kraftwerkian note; any news on any new album from our Dusseldorf friends? No matter how much I like them, I won't wade through 1715 postings. No way! Please, can someone give me the short-version on what's happening and I'll promise to keep up in the future. Thanks! Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:00:35 GMT > hehe, agreed. "Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn > tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in" ;-) It's just so frustrating!!!!!! No matter how much I try to reason with you, or how much I gradually stretched you until the joints of your ankles and knees and shoulders and elbows popped apart, and no matter how much you pleaded you were wrong after all, you still wouldn't truly believe you were wrong. But you are very wrong, believe me.. ...if Niel Tennant sings in monotone then what do you call the gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice?! Combined with the type of synth-pop music that Kraftwerk were paving the way towards, such spine-chillingly ahhh-that-hits-the-spot angelic tranquillic emotional singing makes the Pet Shop Boys the best sound ever. It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! Kraftwerk was good for it's time... but that time was some time ago! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 05 Feb 1998 06:23:56 -0700 >But you are very wrong, believe me.. ...if Niel Tennant sings in monotone then >what do you call the gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice?! Hmmm... Personally, I prefer the "gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice". >It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which >Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were >to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and >closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! Well, I like many other groups beside KW, but not PSB... I think there is no sense to compare KW and PSB. They play totally different music, PSB's sha-la-la music is really far from me (and far from KW's technical music). >Kraftwerk was good for it's time... but that time was some time ago! Really? And when was PSB good? - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 05 Feb 1998 14:05:06 -0000 > >It's just so frustrating!!!!!! No matter how much I try to reason with you, or >how much I gradually stretched you until the joints of your ankles and knees >and shoulders and elbows popped apart, and no matter how much you pleaded you >were wrong after all, you still wouldn't truly believe you were wrong. > eh, when did you reason with me? > >But you are very wrong, believe me.. ...if Niel Tennant sings in monotone then >what do you call the gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice?! > I'd call it minimalist. > >It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which >Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were >to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and >closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! > erm, I clearly marked the post [uk] didn't I? It was tongue deeply ensconsed in my proverbial cheek. > >Kraftwerk was good for it's time... but that time was some time ago! > You are entitled to your opinion. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 05 Feb 1998 09:48:18 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Bill Dobiesz wrote: > I have the albums Kraftwerk (Kraftwerk 1?) and Kraftwerk 2...I have never > heard Ralf & Florian, so I can't really tell you how they vary. > > On playing these for a friend of mine, he remarked that it is definately > "stoner" music. I don't know about that, but it is a neat effect. Yes, frequently called "ambient" music today. :^) I think a more accurate description of this type of music would be "image" music, in that the largely formless soundscapes possess an uncanny ability to call images to mind. > Probably the way I would describe them is to describe it track-by track. > Personally, I consider Kraftwerk to not be my favorite - Kraftwerk 2 and > Autobahn are my favorites. The Kraftwerk 2 is a Germanofon, and my > Kraftwerk is a Gema with a "bonus track" that may well not be on the > Germanofon release. What is this extra track, anyway? I've heard of it before, but it's never been identified. As an owner of the Germanofon version, I'm curious. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 05 Feb 1998 10:49:35 EST On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:03:40 -0800 **************** writes: > >Despite been beaten by U2, Simple Minds had with NGD (81,82,83,84) = >produced one of the most INFLUENTIAL and BEST ELECTRONIC albums of all >= >time you should check out or re-listen to reel to real cacophany (78) and themes for great cities (79) (with the companion bonus sister feelings call), b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life was a damn fine piece of work.... tom w np: ken ishii - jelly tones _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) ZKM song 2 Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:09:27 -0500 Emanuel Mair wrote: > Greetings! > > Has anybody managed to dl the complete 2:nd untitled ZKM song in > mpeg-audio format via John Talbert's site? I get an average dl rate at > ~~150 cps no matter which time of day I try, so with the Swedish phone > rates it's simply not possible. > > If you have got it, I'd be much obliged if you could upload it to your > homepage or mail it directly to me (mail me first for confirmation so > that I don't have to get my diskquota totally crammed). If I get the > file, I'll naturally make it available via my homepage. > > If anbody missed the 1:st "ZKM song" or the "Tribal Gathering song", > they're also available at my homepage (in mpeg(3)-audio): > http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/kw.html I apologize for any download problems anyone is having with this file. Due to its size and an attempt to keep song #1 on line a bit longer, I had to place the file on my www.internet-club account. Its seems however, that they are having way too many server problems for my taste. So as soon as possible I'll try and move it to a different server (although I'll now have to remove song #1 to do it) Also, if anyone decides to put these files on different web/ftp sites, please let me know so I can add your mirror link to the Active-K page. Regards, -John 'efofex' Talbert _____________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Do Kraftwerk make their own albums? Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:39:16 EST In a message dated 2/5/98 8:15:36 AM, jbv wrote: <> I doubt I could do anything, but the place in Ohio - The Recording Workshop - supposedly has (or had) Bill Halverson fairly regularly as a guest speaker. I kind of got the impression that he was somewhat of a regular guest speaker at the place when other people - like Thomas Dolby or Bob Clearmountain wasn't available.........needless to say - I didn't even know that his name was on TEE at the time or I would've asked some questions.......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:49:13 -0500 >From: "John B. Morgan" >> Probably the way I would describe them is to describe it track-by track. >> Personally, I consider Kraftwerk to not be my favorite - Kraftwerk 2 and >> Autobahn are my favorites. The Kraftwerk 2 is a Germanofon, and my >> Kraftwerk is a Gema with a "bonus track" that may well not be on the >> Germanofon release. >What is this extra track, anyway? I've heard of it before, but it's never >been identified. As an owner of the Germanofon version, I'm curious. The Gema bonus cuts were from a radio concert in Cologne in 1975. There is a separate CD of that concert that has all the bonus cuts. Given the superior sound quality of the Germanofon releases, I'd recommend getting them and the Cologne CD rather than the Gema releases. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Miles Escherich" <208.219.138.31@lists.xmission.com> Subject: (kw) Simple Minds, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Kraftwerk Date: 05 Feb 1998 11:12:16 +0000 Now I do remember enjoying a lot of early '80s synth-pop, at least what I could find as a teenager in a small town, and some of the albums I liked and still have some affection for would probably make a lot of listies gag. The reason of course was that I was about 15 when CW came out and I would have to wait 3 years for Tour de France and then another 12 years or so for EC. So think of these as my "guilty pleasures." :) New Gold Dream was a great album. I also enjoyed Vince Clarke's work with Yazoo, that very clean, very synthy sound. I missed a lot of what came from Vince's studio after Yazoo (like Erasure), but I guess he found his niche: a clean texture and a taste for pure pop instead of minimal explorations. But I was also a big Ultravox head (Vienna and Rage In Eden-- loved that Peter Saville neo-classical package design!). And OMD too... Architecture and Morality was good, as well as the tape collages on Dazzle Ships. I have never bothered to go out and buy anything by the Pet Shop Boys, because they don't thrill me all that much, but whenever I hear them, I enjoy them. Same thing with Bronski Beat and the Communards... a lot of that stuff speaks to a very different sensibility. A lot of this stuff had the tendency to get overblown or syrupy, but sometimes you want a little syrup. I have learned not to take "music snobs" too seriously. I have acquaintances who are electronic music "experts" who don't appreciate KW, but they will listen to the latest Bjork or Laika or Land-o-Loops. Nothing wrong with these folks, but being an intelligent listener in the last analysis depends on how you listen than what you listen to. Reply to miles@usinternet.com or xman_11@hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:27:02 +0100 MCT wrote in their newsletter: Kraftwerk - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: (kw) p.s. concert confirmed Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:29:32 +0100 p.s. here is the link for the concert: http://www.tickets.de/artists/art7.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:57:35 +0100 thanks lars, i just found the official festivals homepage, but no mention of kw yet: http://www.roskilde-festival.dk/1998/english/index.htm martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 05 Feb 1998 18:57:14 +0000 > > MCT wrote in their newsletter: > > > Kraftwerk > - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! > > > does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? it's probably the danish Roskilde festival, one of the biggest rock events.. now, does anybody know what *MCT* is? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) hmm band bashing express Date: 05 Feb 1998 05:34:39 +0000 >.. >I think there is no sense to compare KW and PSB. They play totally different >music, PSB's sha-la-la music is really far from me (and far from KW's technical >music). I disagree. listen to the "relentless" CD from 1993 if you can and you'll see an album as good "trans europe express" in my opinion, recorded free from commercial pressures of number 2 hit singles. try it. you don't have to like it, but "sha-la-la" is a bit of a simplistic view of the PSB. "sha-la-la" as I read it refers more to a blatantly comemrcial boy band, which the pet shop boys were initially pidgeon holed as. I think anyone listen to any of their later material will be able to see this is one they are not. M, I don't know where all this has come from, but there does seem to be a fair amount of band bashing going on over the past few weeks. on a brighter note listen back to the ZKM cd.. for "die roboter" where the songs breaks down into "robotnik" for some strange reason, the vocals switch from german to english..! Mark -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bill Halverson Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:13:44 +0100 SRRecords@aol.com wrote: > > I doubt I could do anything, but the place in Ohio - The Recording Workshop - > supposedly has (or had) Bill Halverson fairly regularly as a guest speaker. I > kind of got the impression that he was somewhat of a regular guest speaker at > the place when other people - like Thomas Dolby or Bob Clearmountain wasn't > available.........needless to say - I didn't even know that his name was on > TEE at the time or I would've asked some questions.......... > I SEE ! You should have known ! This is the blatant proof that you're not a real KW fan... More seriously : does anyone else on this list think it could be interesting to get this guy's memories on the TEE mix sessions and that it's worth trying to locate him, or is it just another old JBV's weird and masochistic ideas ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) CW sounds (was "pet shop boys" - oddly). Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:14:13 +0100 SRRecords@aol.com wrote: >=20 > Well - if you listen closely to Computer World, you realize that most o= f the > sounds are very easy to achieve with some pretty normal analog synthesi= zers. (...) The most interesting > aspects of Computer World intellectually, for me, are the vocal aspects= , the > strange start-stop abrubt reverb endings mainly found on Home Computer = (which > I think were done with tape loops or some other tape-based technique),=20 Do you mean the looped sound effects / reverbs in the second half of the song "Home computer" ? I must confess that, as a big fan of "musique concrete" and other early experimentations, THAT part caught my attention from the first=20 time I heard CW. Indeed, I see it as a quote of electronic music as it was made in K=F6ln or Paris in the 60s & 70s. I think it's been done in a very simple way : the main part (those synth arpeges) being recorded on one track of the tape recorder, and various delays and reverbs (with various lengths and depths) recorded continuously in sync with the main beat on a few other tracks. Then the=20 whole effect is achieved by muting / unmuting those tracks (featuring reverbs and delays) in sync with the beat every 2 or 4 bars. In other words : playing rythmically the mix board ! I think this is consistent with the whole CW / KK "studio as an instrument" concept. And furthermore, if you check the credits for CW, you'll notice that Florian is credited for music composition on that song and also on Numbers. I might be wrong, but I'm almost certain that those effects on HC and the idea of using counting voices as rythmic patterns on Numbers ARE Florian's ideas, and can't be Hutter's nor Bartos' ideas... I don't know why, just a feeling... May be does it come from various things Florian said in interviews, or when Ralf says that he's mainly in charge with software, while Florian is mainly busy with hardware and "electronic humour"... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) hmm band bashing express Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:14:48 +0100 Mark Reed wrote: > M, I don't know where all this has come from, but there does seem to be > a fair amount of band bashing going on over the past few weeks. Yeah. Trashing dead bands is a nice occupation during long winter evenings... So let's keep trashing TD, Lennox, KW, PSB, DM, HL, etc. etc. > > on a brighter note listen back to the ZKM cd.. for "die roboter" where > the songs breaks down into "robotnik" for some strange reason, the > vocals switch from german to english..! > The young trainee of the KK studio launched the wrong tape... He also forgot to plug a couple of robots... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk 1 & 2 question Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:17:12 +0100 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > (...) > 2) Atem (Breath) 2:57 > The title describes it better than I could. I personally find it > highly annoying, and it is undoubtedly my least liked Kraftwerk song. Funny... I for one always loved that piece, even in the early 70s. I found the way they used white / pink noise to imitate human breathe a thrilling idea. BTW, when JMJ did something similar a few years later (imitating waves crashing on the seashore - of course no relation with KW), I found THAT pretty annoying... Actually, as the years went by and as KW albums popped up from time to time, I've always regarded that piece as their first (proto) experiment with synthetic human voice... NO synthetic voice without electronic breathe... But what kind of toothpaste ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Date: 05 Feb 1998 22:08:40 +0100 Hello everybody! Now, get this: Yesterday I had one of my percussion lessons. My percussion tutor thought it would be nice if we could perform a duet together, so he gave me a selection of sheet music for two percussionists. I looked them through, somewhat uninterested, but suddenly - something rang a bell. I held in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine Stücke für Xylophon und Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would be totally possible - as he was (and still is) a trained percussionist. Anyway, I turned to the last page, where there was a whole lot of information about this Karl Bartos. Guess what it said? Well, he was born in 1952 (correct), studied in Düsseldorf (correct), 'active interest in electronic music since 1974' - well, there you have it. It is THE Karl Bartos. I was stunned beyond words all day, I couldn't dream of finding his name in this situation. So - my percussion homework was written by a member of Kraftwerk. Jealous yet? /Marcus, Sweden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Can't we all just get along? Date: 05 Feb 1998 23:04:40 -0800 hi, craig land wrote to the list: > I would also be interested in knowing if anyone has, or knows of any li= ve KW > performances on vinyl (obviously bootlegs), being up for sale. I am > primarily interested in the 1981 and earlier tours. here they are, as far as i know: K=F6ln 1971 =09 LP ?? GE Ruckzuck 630 5051 pic disc, black rim LP ?? GE Ruckzuck 630 5051 pic disc, clear rim Kometenmelodie =09 Cologne, Germany, 22 Mar 1975 =09 LP ?? BE Dreamradio Records 197-503-22=09 recording of a concert broadcast by the WDR =09 Machine =09 Paris, 28.2.1976; Utrecht, 1981 =09 LP ?? UK ...607003 (?) red / white label info sheet with wrong infos: A-Side Utrecht not Stockholm 1982, B-Side Track list: French Connection / Pariesienne Night / L'Ectrique although Kometenmelodie 1 / 2; "ltd promo issue for swedish radio stations" (??) =09 Security Device =09 Mailand 1981 =09 2LP 87 ?? Tring Trang SOUND 435 K=09 Ja Tvoy Sluga Ja Tvoy Rabotnik =09 M=FCnchen 1981 =09 2LP 81 GE Alive Rec. LR 12 orange vinyl 2LP 81 ?? ?? (same?) black vin. Computerwelt =09 London 3.7.81 =09 3LP 81 UK ...=09 Central Passage =09 Florenz, 1981 =09 2LP 81 ?? Dreamradio Records 19810519=09 Stimme der Energie (evtl. The Voice of Energy?) =09 M=FCnchen 1981, Teil 1 =09 LP ?? ?? ??=09 Autobahn =09 M=FCnchen 1981, Teil 2 =09 LP ?? ?? ?? no cover, only small animated sheet with track list=09 Kraft Box Vol. 1 =09 M=FCnchen 1981 =09 2LP 9? ?? ... ltd box-set (30 copies?), pics of '91 i own a few of them. if you have any further questions, feel free to ask hope this helps regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) CW sounds (was "pet shop boys" - oddly). Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:09:56 EST In a message dated 2/5/98 9:20:10 PM, jbv wrote: <> Yes - the end of the song with the scales and the tinkling self-oscillating filters......I think they may have been done like you suggest........by syncing a tape loop with the tinkling noises etc via SMPTE, this effect could have been easily achieved with a mute button (i practice this technique sometimes myself....) I think that this reverb manipulation also paved the way for what I consider to be rather advanced and interesting reverb/delay/panning on Electric Cafe - some of the most interesting I've heard in pop music.......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:14:12 EST On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:27:02 +0100 Martin Niedergesaess writes: > >MCT wrote in their newsletter: >Kraftwerk >- just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! >does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? martin > its roskilde and its someplace in denmark and it has a great festival every year... tom w np: jah wobble presents the light programme _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Update of list of Concertdates Date: 06 Feb 1998 00:02:16 +0100 I have updated my list of Conmcertdates (previously known as Tourdates) No major updates just some small additions Also I have combined all the seperate html's to one big one Thanks to Klaus Zaepke for keeping me updated on any new dates! old link: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/tourdates.html new link: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/concertdates/concertdates.html (there's a link from the old to the new one) PLEASE ALL LOOK CLOSELY TO this list and MAIL ME or Klaus With updates!!! groeten, Dolf / / dolf@twingo.xs4all.nl / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Date: 06 Feb 1998 01:43:44 +0100 >in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr= Xylophon und >Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by >Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would hey! that's great! do you know if there are other of these? in which year it was copyrighted? do you know if it was recorded? how do they sound like? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:04:29 -0700 William Talley wrote: >> >Kraftwerk was good for it's time... but that time was some time ago! >> >> Really? And when was PSB good? > >Oh good gravy! Someone disparages Kraftwerk on their own mailing list and all that >you can do is help them along. I'm packing up and heading back to Kansas with my >little dog too. Oh, Bill, don't do it! I did not want to hurt you! But what did you expect in the KW-mailing list? Maybe: "Yes, this Billy boy is speaking from my heart!" And, Mark: yes, indeed, I do not know the history of PSB, but what can I see: PSB release 2-3 top-hit songs per year which are (IMHO) totally uninteresting, and barely rise from the other hundreds of same style music. Anyway, probably the music of PSB is good comparing to the other PSB-similar music, but I cant compare to KW, even if PSB vocalizing better. The only point I can agree with Will, that kicking each others favorite groups is absolutely waste of time. - Farki - PS. Please, flame me privately! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) «The Big Lebowski», 2nd part Date: 06 Feb 1998 01:18:58 +0000 Sorry, I didn't mention it: «The Big Lebowski» ist new movie of Joël and Ethan Coën («Fargo», «Raising Arizona», «Barton Fink») an will be out in March. -- _______________________________ PressNet/Christoph Soltmannowski soltoc@dial.eunet.ch http://www.innovation.ch/pbs Pressebüro & Kommunikation Dufourstrasse 72 CH-8008 Zürich Switzerland Tel ++41-+1-380 01 33 Fax ++41-1-3810361 _______________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=ABThe?= Big =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lebowski=BB,?= 2nd part Date: 05 Feb 1998 21:22:15 +0500 On 06-Feb-98, Christoph Soltmannowski wrote: >Sorry, I didn't mention it: =ABThe Big Lebowski=BB ist new movie of Jo=EB= l and >Ethan Co=EBn (=ABFargo=BB, =ABRaising Arizona=BB, =ABBarton Fink=BB) an = will be out in >March. = >-- = Oh. -- = Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) Merengue Date: 05 Feb 1998 21:07:12 +0000 Adam Scefflen wrote: Speaking of EMI's vast catalog, check out "Merenexitos," on EMI Latin (H2-23390 or 7243 8 23390 2 1). Merengue's one of the music world's best-kept secrets! Peace. Um... that depends on what part of the world you are from. Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) Lay-off Date: 05 Feb 1998 21:09:22 +0000 > >here's why the comparison is faulty. the pet shop boys (as far as I know) >didn't need to rework their synths to get the sounds they wanted...they >came from the factory just fine for them. they didn't need to invent their >own percussion, they didn't need to do much beyond write their songs. no >building studios, nothing... > Nothing. Yep, that just about sums up PSB. Preset sounds, preset songs. Is it me, or do they keep releasing the same song? > >I could be wrong...I'm just guessing, actually. even if I am wrong, I'm >guessing the "specs" behind a pet shop boys studio wouldn't involve much >beyond installing existing equipment. > hehe, agreed. 'Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in' ;-) Jules Funny, but untrue. Fact is that the Pet Shop Boys actually met while going through an electronics shop looking for synth parts. Their original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had cannibalized keyboards in it. To this day most oftheir stuff is actually customized to their order. Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernesto Perez Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 05 Feb 1998 21:11:52 +0000 wootton robin wrote: > > > > hehe, agreed. "Hey Neil, when I press the demo button, start the damn > > tape deck and sing in the monotone voice you usually sing in" ;-) > > > It's just so frustrating!!!!!! No matter how much I try to reason with you, or > how much I gradually stretched you until the joints of your ankles and knees > and shoulders and elbows popped apart, and no matter how much you pleaded you > were wrong after all, you still wouldn't truly believe you were wrong. > > But you are very wrong, believe me.. ...if Niel Tennant sings in monotone then > what do you call the gormless spoken Kraftwerk voice?! > > Combined with the type of synth-pop music that Kraftwerk were paving > the way towards, such spine-chillingly ahhh-that-hits-the-spot angelic > tranquillic emotional singing makes the Pet Shop Boys the best sound ever. > > It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which > Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were > to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and > closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! I have to agree with you on this one. To understand Kraftwerk you must see what effects they had on the rest of the music world. It;s not like we are comparing them to say, Robert Miles. You want preset sounds? that motherfucker can't even create his own drum patterns! Give the Boys their credit. It could have been as bad as Kylie! Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Hey pals... Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:18:22 -0800 Hey pals, Announcing our thank you to being a part of this group. We at the Cult of Eidophusikon we're quite pleased when we learned of you guys. Many founding members have been Kraftwerk fans for quite some time now...which is saying a lot when I think about other bands I'm not really into anymore...somehow Kraftwerk remains the fetish of choice...I can think of some reasons why, but I'm sure you know what they are. We're not hardcore collecters, although our vinyl collection with the german import 12"'s and all is somewhat impressive...mostly we just can't get enough of the musique nonstop (fetish reason #1?)... When in L.A., visit us at the Hollywood Compound... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net P.S. - As we finally figured out how to post properly, we've been watching in silence for quite some time. A few messages: jbv: it's nice when you're nice (i.e. - as of late)... ROBOT: haven't seen any postings lately...are you o.k.? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Address Change Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:33:09 PST Hello all, My normal e-mail address (not my HotMail address) has changed! My old e-mail address: pliethen@globaldialog.com My NEW e-mail address: pliethen@execpc.com Please note the change, Thanks! -Peter Liethen pliethen@execpc.com http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Subject: (kw) "Early Days" information? Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:21:55 -0800 (PST) Looking at Twingo's list of concert dates, I was curious to see a bootleg named "Early Days" of a 28.2.76 Paris concert listed . Can someone provide me with a track listing, and more importantly, a tape of it? ;-) Pointers to obtain a copy of this CD would also be gladly accepted... Thanks, CRZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Soltmannowski Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk joke in =?iso-8859-1?Q?=ABThe?= Big Date: 06 Feb 1998 01:13:04 +0000 As a movie journalist, I was at the press screening of =ABThe Big Lebowski=BB, the new movie with Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Julianne Moor= e and others. There's a sequence when Julianne Moore shows an LP cover which is titled =ABAutobahn =96 Nagelbett=BB with three guys in red shirts with black tie= s (!!!) on the cover and says: =ABIt's some kind of technopop and they released it in the mid-70s=BB. The three men are the bad guys in this ver= y funny story, some criminal nihilists with terrible German accents. The three nihilists are played by Peter Stormare, Torsten Voges and Flea (of the Red Hot Chili Peppers). -- = Christoph Soltmannowski "Dial again" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wadsworth, Troy" Subject: (kw) boot cd's Date: 06 Feb 1998 02:23:53 -0600 Does anyone out there know about any boot cd's from kw for sale ANYWHERE? I have been looking but with no luck. Please , anyone.....Or if anyone has any boot cds and a cdwriter? I could make it worth their time :) thanx troy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:14:53 -0800 > > It makes me almost tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups which > Kraftwerk inspired. Especially when vice versa, I recognise how vital Kw were > to those later groups sounds... You don't know what your preconceptions and > closed-mindedness are causing you to be missing! hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Simple Minds, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Kraftwerk Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:22:06 -0800 >I have learned not to take "music snobs" too seriously. I have=20 acquaintances who are electronic music "experts" who don't appreciate=20 KW, but they will listen to the latest Bjork or Laika or=20 Land-o-Loops. Nothing wrong with these folks, but being an=20 intelligent listener in the last analysis depends on how you listen=20 than what you listen to.<=20 You are correct. Electronic music has been influenced by many bands we = don't generally discuss here such as those you mention. Also overlooked = often are Godley & Creme following on from 10CC. Their influence on = electronic music was incalculably enormous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) it makes me depressed :~( Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:13:23 -0800 Farki wrote:- >And, Mark: yes, indeed, I do not know the history of PSB, but what can = I see: PSB release 2-3 top-hit songs per year which are (IMHO) totally = uninteresting, and barely rise from the other hundreds of same style music.< I completely agree with your point. As I said, PSB have released a = number of ineffectual and pointless albums. Comparing them to Kraftwerk = shows an embarassing lack of understanding by some people. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Fed up with EMI? Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:27:56 -0800 >Can you believe that there's no mention at all of a certain band at EMI's 100th anniversary website (http://www.emi100.com)? I think I smell a conspiracy.< I hate to say this, but I've read that EMI have jettisoned Kraftwerk. This could explain why they aren't mentioned?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:32:37 -0800 tom w wrote: >b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life was a damn fine piece of work....< Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of revisionism gone mad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Professor Schneider Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:53:26 +0100 Hello, this morning I read in our local newspaper (BNN) that Florian Schneider will be a Professor at the HfG in Karlsruhe for at least 3 years (HfG = Hochschule für Gestaltung; Academy for Media Art and Design). He will be a Professor of Performance and something else I just can't remember. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) boot cd's Date: 06 Feb 1998 03:07:11 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Wadsworth, Troy wrote: > Does anyone out there know about any boot cd's from kw for sale ANYWHERE? > I have been looking > but with no luck. Please , anyone.....Or if anyone has any boot cds and a > cdwriter? I could make > it worth their time :) I have a CD writer, but no bootleg material. However, I believe I spotted what might be a bootleg at "http://www.vinylvendors.com". Do a search for Kraftwerk at their site. One of the CDs listed I haven't heard of before as an official release. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Fed up with EMI? Date: 06 Feb 1998 05:18:52 -0500 <> They are prominently mentioned in the EMI 100 booklet that came with the remastered edition of Kate Bush's HOUNDS OF LOVE. (Incidentally, a remaster worth getting if you're into KB -- it makes the original CD mastering sound pretty lousy.) -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.spectra.net/~aalvarez/BHQ.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 09:46:54 -0000 >I think that this reverb manipulation also paved the >way for what I consider to be rather advanced and interesting >reverb/delay/panning on Electric Cafe - some of the most interesting I've >heard in pop music.......... > So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy applied. As somebody once posted, it's like the difference between vga and svga. > On the down side of course is side 2, which harps back a couple of years, and is in no comparison to the technical input to side 1, I had hoped that KW would move more into this direction with another release at the time, but I sops the bashing from the press didn't help matters. As for the critics who described it as 'music for rappers' I honestly can't remember hearing any hip-hop or rap with that amount of production and clarity at that period in the 80's. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) Lay-off Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:54:16 +0000 > original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had who is Bobby O? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 06 Feb 1998 12:16:41 +0100 > Don't know about Rolkilde, but Roskilde is a town in Denmark. The > Roskilde-festival is an annual event since some 20 years. > > /Joakim > > -----Original Message----- > > MCT wrote in their newsletter: > > > Kraftwerk > - just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! > > > does anybody know what *rolkilde* means?? > > martin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Vb: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 06 Feb 1998 12:43:00 +0100 >Kraftwerk >- just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! Can anybody confirm this, there's nothing on the Roskilde web-pages nor on the Kraftwerk=2Ecom konzert-page, if it's true its a BIG awaited appearance= on that festival, I've always wished that they wold go there=2E In 1996 I saw Riuchi Sakamoto of YMO make a very nice performance on this festival=2E But this is BIG! /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) God Date: 06 Feb 1998 11:42:54 GMT >> It makes me tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups >> which Kraftwerk paved the way towards. Especially when vice >> versa, I recognise how vital Kw were to those later groups sounds... > >hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life woottie 96188726 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:12:06 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That > album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the > most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long > while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy > applied. (...) > > > On the down side of course is side 2, which harps back a couple of years, > and is in no comparison to the technical input to side 1, I had hoped that > KW would move more into this direction with another release at the time, but > I sops the bashing from the press didn't help matters. As for the critics > who described it as 'music for rappers' I honestly can't remember hearing > any hip-hop or rap with that amount of production and clarity at that period > in the 80's. > Believe it or not, I quite agree with you too, although I've always wondered who was really behind that "massive thought and delicacy" on side 1 : KW or Kervorkian ? As for critics back in 86 : I don't know about other countries, but here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic & funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- pop songs as they used to do before... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hey pals... Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:13:01 +0100 Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > > jbv: it's > nice when you're nice (i.e. - as of late)... GRRRR !!! I'm ALWAYS nice ! But in various ways... > P.S. - As we finally figured out how to post properly, we've been > watching in silence for quite some time. Most mailing lists work roughly on the same standards, with too many members watching in silence, some of them raising the top of their heads at times to try to sell their cans of soup, or asking for info when they're too lazy to make a simple net search... BTW, I really regret that no bilingual english-german member has yet found a couple of hours to translate and post the interview of Ralf mentioned a couples of weeks ago... Sorry folks, but I for one find this a bit hard to swallow... OK, forget it... I'm just an old idealistic hippie... Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 06 Feb 1998 09:01:26 EST On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:32:37 -0800 **************** writes: >tom w wrote: > >>b4 u make this statement...as to their "decline", imo, real life >was a damn fine piece of work....< > >Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of >revisionism gone mad. > curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed by it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a fuck? also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" ???? christ.... tom w np: pg in stockholm 1993 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) God Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:53:05 -0800 woottie > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life < You've given all a reason for behaving badly and having what we want in this life (not that one was needed). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:36:02 +0100 did u or anyone u know tape this show? ive got lots to trade=2E=2E=2E=2Ereg= ards, tom w Sorry, just watched and enjoyed, It was an concertsetting with RS on piano (the big curvy piano I don't know what it's called in english) and two othe= r guys on cello/violin - not what everybody had expected i suppose, but the 3000 people tent was more than full, and it was a great atmosfere=2E Riuchi= and the other guys seemed really suprised of the great response from the audien= ce even though there was'n a synthesizer in sight=2E He opened one of the songs saying: This is a song by a band you might know, theyre called the Yellow magic orchestra - and of course we all just loved it=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:28:38 +0100 I tries also /roskilde=2Ehtml, /concert=2Ehtml, /festival=2Ehtml and some other stuff=20 but I unfortunatelly got only errors from their web server=2E The correct adress is : http://www=2Eroskilde-festival=2Edk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:54:50 -0800 mode ELEGANTLY stated:- >>Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example of=20 revisionism gone mad.<< tom w CRUDLY countered with:- >curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed by it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a fuck?=20 also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" ????=20 christ....< The fact that Virgin dropped SM after Real Life and GNFTNW shows they = thought both were sub-standard. This was embarrassing because SM claimed = that both of the aforementioned albums marked a return to their = previously high standards. The whole sorry episode was a fiasco; perhaps = REVISIONISM will airbrush both albums from history. Let us hope that the new SM album will see a return to form! mode.123 PS: Others have mentioned it and I would like to highlight the issue = again. Strongly disagreeing and attacking individuals opinions is fine. = Attacking the individual serves only to demean the attacker and = undermine his/her credibility. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:03:33 -0000 jbv:- > >Believe it or not, I quite agree with you too, although I've always >wondered who was really behind that "massive thought and delicacy" on >side 1 : KW or Kervorkian ? > Good question. Was kevorkian's input full production, or were kraftwerk looking for the finishing touches? > >As for critics back in 86 : I don't know about other countries, but >here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for >rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of >Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic >& funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes >that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- >pop songs as they used to do before... > Yeah, excuse my phrase, I meant exactly what you said there. It was easy to see why the statement was mode, although I would have taken that as a compliment if it were me who produced an album that was so readily used by the rap lot. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0500 Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this Kevorkian guy? I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything about him! Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:55:15 -0000 > >Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this >Kevorkian guy? >I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything about him! Just do a search for Kevorkian on the Net, I found a site quite a while ago giving his full life history and discography. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 06 Feb 1998 11:14:27 -0500 > Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this > Kevorkian guy? > I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything abo= ut > him! > Marc Dunno if this is of much use to you personally (not sure where you're pos= ting = from) but the current (March 98) issue of the UK music tech magazine "The= Mix" (NOT the US mag of the same name) has a 4-page interview with Francois = Kevorkian, tracing his career as DJ, A&R man, and producer/remixer. KW ar= e = mentioned a couple of times, but nothing paticularly of note. Nice to see= what he looks like, though. STAGGMAN = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic orgasm - NGD (81,82,83,84) Date: 06 Feb 1998 11:56:11 EST On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:54:50 -0800 **************** writes: > >mode ELEGANTLY stated:- > >>>Real Life was an embarassing fiasco. Your statement is an example >of=20 >revisionism gone mad.<< > >tom w CRUDLY countered with:- > >>curious...how can an album be a "fiasco"?...and, who was embarassed >by >it? certainly not simple minds, and if it was you, who gives a >fuck?=20 >also, quit reading political manifestos..."revisionism gone mad" >????=20 >christ....< > >The fact that Virgin dropped SM after Real Life and GNFTNW shows they >= >thought both were sub-standard. first off, there was an interval of 4 years between these two records...so when were they dropped? does this mean that if a label drops a band, their work is "sub-standard"? what the hell is "sub-standard" anyway? This was embarrassing because SM >claimed = >that both of the aforementioned albums marked a return to their = >previously high standards. embarrasing to whom? and again, what is a standard when applied to music? The whole sorry episode was a fiasco; >perhaps = >REVISIONISM will airbrush both albums from history. right...get a can of spray paint and shit dont exist...what a laugh.... tom w np: tangerine dream - electronic orgy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Fw: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: BRILLIANT!! Curried Bohemian Rhapsody Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:09:40 -0000 I just had to let you all have this to sing out loud on a Friday afternoon!!! >>> (To be sung to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody) >>> >>> Is this a Bhuna? >>> Or is this a Jalfrezi? >>> Mixed up my order, >>> They all look the same to me >>> Open your gob, >>> Just swallow a forkful and see. >>> I'm just a student, >>> Need something real cheap to eat >>> Because I'm stoney broke >>> Not a bean >>> Don't remember >>> The menu I've seen >>> >>> Korma, Saag or Madras >>> Doesn't really matter to me >>> To me... >>> >>> Naan-aa, just killed a man >>> Poppadom against his head >>> Had lime pickle, now he's dead. >>> Naan-aa, dinner just begun >>> But now I'm going to crap it all away. >>> Naan-aa, ooh-ooh >>> Didn't mean to make you cry, >>> Seen nothin' yet just see the loo tomorrow, >>> Curry on, Curry on, >>> 'cause nothing really madras. >>> Too late, my dinner's gone >>> Sends shivers up my spine >>> Rectum aching all the time. >>> Goodbye every bhaji, I've got to go >>> Gotta leave you all behind and use loo. >>> Naan-aa, ooh ooh, >>> This Dopiaza's mild, >>> Sometimes wish we'd never come here at all. >>> I see a little chicken tikka on the side, >>> Rogan Josh, Rogan Josh >>> pass the chutney made of mango. >>> Vindaloo does nicely >>> Nery very spicey >>> ME! >>> >>> Biryani (Biryani) >>> Biryani (Biryani) >>> Biryani and a naan >>> O Vindaloooooooo >>> (No no no no no non o no no No) >>> I've eaten balti, somebody help me >>> He's eaten balti, get him to a lavatory >>> Stand well back >>> This loo's quarantined. >>> >>> Here it comes, >>> There it goes, technicolor yawn >>> I chudder >>> No! >>> It's coming up again >>> (There he goes) >>> I chunder >>> It's coming up again >>> (There he goes) >>> I chunder >>> It's coming up again >>> Up again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> Here it comes again >>> >>> This vindaloo is about to wreck my guts >>> Poor me... Poor me... Poor me! >>> >>> So you think you can chunder and think it's alright? >>> So you think you can eat curry and drink all night? >>> Ohh maybe, now you'll puke like a baby, >>> Just had to come out, >>> Just had to come right out in here.... >>> Korma, saag or bhuna, >>> Balti, naan or bhaji >>> Nothing makes a difference to me >>> To me >>> Anyway my wind blows ....brilliant!!! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs TD...and music in general Date: 06 Feb 1998 12:09:41 EST On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:21:01 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: > >On 31-Jan-98, jbv wrote: > >I think they started dropping off after "New Traditionalists", but I >agree that they did start to get a little bland. I think they lost their >direction when they moved to Los Angeles-- they should have stayed >in Akron! As for the albums Shout and Total Devo, I would have to agree with you...but personally, I feel they really turned it around on Smoothnoodlemaps. Where Kraftwerk's Klingklang is my theme song, Devo's Change Is Gonna Cum is my anthem. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:35:05 EST Oh yes - I don't think that EC is "crap" at all.......even the second side (but I do think it is considerably weaker than the first side.......) I don't know if I agree with what Ralf supposedly said about the album that it is a "masterpiece in synthetic speech" or whatever, but I do think that it has some very interesting qualities to it........The reverb/delay aspects are some of my favorites but I think that the FM programming on it is of top-notch quality --- some have said that the DX-7 was used but I think more precisely that it was a TX-816 or something because a lot of the "percussive" sounds seem to be coming from a massive collection of FM programmed boxes - and there are a ton of these sounds panned, reverbed, etc on this album...........too me they are more interesting than Morton Subotnick's use of FM on "Jacob's Room" or whatever that composition was called...........of course I really don't know what they used because I was not there, but this is just my speculation speaking! -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. I can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. Fresh batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! As for Flame Wars- hey, I LIKE various Artists besides KRAFTWERK. There's S.P.O.C.K, DEVO, Sillicon Teens, TELEX, YMO, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, W.Carlos, Jarre, Moroder, Tomita, etc, etc, etc.... 'Too many to list! And that's just SYNTH, not counting Classical, Rock Oldies, Folk, and everything else I'm into. I like variety. I'm not gonna trash a band just because they don't suit my personal taste, okay? Basically, MOST people on this List like KW to SOME degree, -(although some people get on here and trash KW and I wonder why the hell they're ON the List if they DON'T like 'em)-, so, when it comes to MusiK in general, can't we all just lighten up and ENJOY what we LIKE as INDIVIDUALS? Damn- the lights are flickering again. I'm outta here! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:02:03 EST The petshoboys were good for its time... but that time was some time ago! like 1989 and as for kraftwerk /\/\/\/\/\/\TIMELESS/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ This is silly ..all this bullshit about things like -computerworld- Aphex twin having no influence ??? the RDJ lp sounds like Kraftwerk on crack and it's sad to say people like squarepusher & and wagon christ are having an effect on his beats and arrangement of tones not that they are bad but they once stood in RDJ shadow odd how the tables are turning someone spoke of computer world that he could reproduce some of it in his home Well i would hope so it was made almost 20 years ago! and that is what KW wants the fans and the public to do no? I'm not impressed that people know about pitch shifting and what gear was used this is common knowledge to us born into this world in the late 70s ..and played Atari when we were young children TO be more precise KW used a DM 1100 Delay setting the mSec at 450 - delay time at IX Modulation-(somewhere around delay-middle and Speed-max ) Feedback -max Dry at 8 and over all delay 10 There! you have numbers Beat effect pretty much yes i reproduced it 20 years later : ) WhooooooHOOOOOOO by accident too that makes KW so dated and old and useless (kidding) just because people can figure out effects settings syths and 20 year old studio tricks that are largely still employed Doesn't make Computerworld any less valuable as for KW copying other groups at the time its a case of the then current technology and shared musso tricks of the time I FEEL LOVE, WARM LEATHERETTE,FRANKIE TEARDROP NUMBERS, JUST CANT GET ENOUGH, TRANCEFER, CON ,HYSTERICA PASSIO : )BLAH BLAH BLAH are all products of their times and when you play them they sound dated But some stand out Because of the content almost everything technology based is dated a year or so after that thing is made mostly due to trend The concept of Computer world is pre Computer/music domantion midi didnt come until 82 yet KW neatly plotted and simulated the musical destiny of man In a song like pocket calculator these little things they state and do are what makes them stand out from the rest the rest being the people who picked up where they left off after the death of electro who are people like aphex twin, panasonic,Autchre ,freeform ,the soma people and the rest of the thousands in dark rooms turning knobs Kraftwerk are the prime influence over the form of music these people are making Even the Prodigy are influenced hugely by R&F even now if Liam says he hates them and never liked KW ..he says he loves Africa bambaata ?? and the first record he got into was planet Rock ..is this guy that dumb? .. I must disagree about the widespread theme of a compuer praved world in the music of the late 70s till 81. where are these magical Computer world sounding/same concept gems? i see today we are living in the world that kraftwerk have spoken of 20 years or more ago not to say this concept shouldn't have been obvious to the average person during the 50s where are all theese lovely bands now? i cant see the huge impact and legacy left behind with dark wave and people like Daniel miller ..good old dan getting fat off of Depeche mode this isnt ment as an attack or cheap shot at anyone I'm just feeling bored/puzzled at why no one passed judgement or comment on my last post and why all these silly Ego/musical taste disruptions take place instead of the enjoyment and dissection of music TV OD TV OD TV OD KW list OD i went out of my way to post a few of the guys comments who have noted KW as an influence or getting..into the music of KW ..so far not one comment has been made on my post! Could it be that some people on this list fear facts backed by Facts??? Indeed i will seek out more data on the below subject this is for the list members who silently read some of the trash that is dumped into their systems people always talk about backing up comments with fact and that is a good thing so after i click send of this mail i hope the list people practice what they preach and note i have backed my info and thoughts with as much fact as possible PS i happen to think Autechre post amber are one of the most important developments in techno/music since Kontakte and Rot here it is again in case some list people didnt get it (A) Autechre on Kraftwerk http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The Show,808 State - Newbuild == (B) Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine I think) back in March kraftwerk it's more fun to compute There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been said before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track would always be in it. == (C)Bochum Welt http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK „I was very interested in the electronic movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I wasn't interested in the Techno scene in the mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" = (D)Bochum Welt http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ Q: What sorts of electronic music inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in the electronic movement in the 70's in Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, = (E)Alain Wilder NEW KRAFTWER? http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel album de Kraftwerk? (sourire)Je pense que ce sera très passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a comme possibilité pour rester innovateur. S'ils font un disque électronique à moins qu'ils le fassent d'une façon incroyable il risque de sonner daté. Alors je me demande s'ils vont faire quelque chose de similaire à ce qu'ils faisaient avant et s'écarter totalement de leur style. Je ne peux pas les imaginer s'écarter complètement de l'électronique. Peut-être von- -ils se camper dans leurs paramètres en essayant de s'intégrer aux 90's. Ca va être très difficile pour eux. = (F)Aphex Twin From the IDM comp Warp. what are you infunces ? RDJ: Computer world. = (G)Bernard Sumner recent interview ? on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hannett and later with New Order = (H)Klaus Schulze an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment : Q.What are you playing in the studio lately KS Computer World non stop (I) Alan Vega? I also recall Vega kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 More to come EQ PPS write BACK !!!!! but try not to shout # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Date: 06 Feb 1998 21:12:21 +0100 At 22:08 05.02.98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hello everybody! > >Now, get this: Yesterday I had one of my percussion lessons. My percussion >tutor thought it would be nice if we could perform a duet together, so he >gave me a selection of sheet music for two percussionists. I looked them >through, somewhat uninterested, but suddenly - something rang a bell. I= held >in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr= Xylophon und >Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibraphone), composed by >Karl Bartos. Hello!? "Bartos? Could it really be him?" I thought. It would >be totally possible - as he was (and still is) a trained percussionist. >Anyway, I turned to the last page, where there was a whole lot of >information about this Karl Bartos. Guess what it said? Well, he was born= in >1952 (correct), studied in D=FCsseldorf (correct), 'active interest in >electronic music since 1974' - well, there you have it. It is THE Karl >Bartos. >I was stunned beyond words all day, I couldn't dream of finding his name in >this situation. So - my percussion homework was written by a member of >Kraftwerk. > >Jealous yet? > >/Marcus, Sweden > Bartos even realised some of his percussion compositions on records. They= are from the late 70's (if I remember right). Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:14:24 EST << << I can't believe that you would actually think that I don't understand that these are well known techniques that any person born in the 1970's wouldn't know about or whatever the gibberish was that you were saying >> I made those comments on the settings of the DM 1100 as a JOKE. "not being Impressed" ..It was a remark on how too many people retred old studio tricks over useing them. Many people at home use theese effects on wannabe home recordings That is one of the reasons Computer welt sounds dated "gibberish" ??? EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos wrote my homework! Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:26:31 EST Are any of these printed percussion pieces available in the US? Thanks......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 21:30:31 +0100 Jules Seifert wrote: > > Good question. Was kevorkian's input full production, or were kraftwerk > looking for the finishing touches? And the winner is... Personally, I would vote for Kervorkian bringing finishing touches that elevate the overall level of production in a large degree. I'm afraid I don't agree with Jason at SSRecords : as I explained yesterday, I think the use of delays & reverbs in Home Computer was a real part of the composition process, as well as a brilliant illustration of the concept of "studio used as an instrument". On the other hand, all those delays & reverbs in EC (they can be found on side 2 also) sound merely like a "production trick" to bring a little life into a long piece that, at first glance, is quite monotonous. I already said that I've always been amazed by the similarities between side 1 of EC and some compositions by Steve Reich (Music for 18 musicians, for instance). This is due to the use of repetitive melodic patterns played by a violin section and some marimbas FM presets. But if an evolution process is the heart of Reich's composition technique, KW composition is quite static and monotonous. I have the feeling that KW were concious of that, and Kervorkian's task has been to use studio tricks to hide the apparent lack of inspiration. Nevertheless, the final result isn't so bad, although at times, those delays & reverbs sound a bit "gratuitous", as if Kervorkian had got his new SSL board a few days before the sessions only... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 21:31:15 +0100 Please, my friend, be patient ! Your last messages raised so many interesting questions and challenges, that I won't miss the opportunity to get back into the discussion... (I only hope that this time, it won't lead to any flame wars : it's a unique opportunity we have to use this list a tool for debate and analysis, so let's not waste it...) I'll answer, don't worry (and I hope others will too). But i'm presently busy transfering the KW pics to someone who offered webspace for them, and I'm also dealing some 2nd hand gear with someone on another list... Forgive me, my friend : I'm old and slow... Almost as old as R&F, and much much slower... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:40:04 EST On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 "ROBOT" writes: > >People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. >I >can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. >Fresh >batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? please elaborate as i am very curious... tom w np: numan - are friends electric? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) god Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:00:00 -0500 actually, i'm pretty sure when you die and go to heaven you hear sparks "#1 song in heaven". heck, it even says so in the lyrics!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:06:32 EST In a message dated 2/6/98 8:34:38 PM, jbv wrote: <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 22:14:26 +0100 thomas m weibrecht wrote: > > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in > siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u > need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? > please elaborate as i am very curious... > May be does she live near the KK studio : the boys are running some new experiments and the whole neighborood is suffering from it... Or may be the KK studio is suffering from sililar problems, and that's why we have to wait for so long for a new album... BTW, what does happen at KK in case of power failure ? Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 22:46:44 GMT jbv wrote: >BTW, what does happen at KK in case of power failure ? >Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has >to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ? > hehe, Ralf, push ze pedals faster, ve shall nezer get this schwein lp in ze shops before ze millennium. Jules ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:39:42 EST In a message dated 2/6/98 9:13:11 PM, you wrote: << In a message dated 98-02-06 15:23:59 EST, you write: << disagree 1) that the studio techniques on computer welt are what make it sound dated because they were not largely used before it was released. and 2)I don't really think it does sound dated - I think, personally, that CW had enough "coldness" in it's sound (ie, very little resonance, very staccato sounds, simplicity, etc) that it wasn't a victim of over-used studio techniques of the day that might be found on Human League albums, for example.....I think that it holds it's ground today - obviously not within today's technological market - but as an artistic statement and as an acclaimed pop album...... >>>> Hello everyone - These are my statements that were meant to be private but PRODUKT01@aol.com, for some reason, keeps sending them to the list. Sorry about this confusion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 16:42:04 EST In a message dated 2/6/98 9:19:58 PM, you wrote: <> No. They simply continue what they've been doing for the last 12 years. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Computer click all around Date: 06 Feb 1998 22:52:08 +0100 As a starter for the discussion of the influence of CW, I'd like to mention one KW sound that has been widely used : the computer click. I remember that in the mid 80s, almost everybody (even Michael J.) was using it. I even remember some algerian producers of pop-ra=EF (in Algeria) circa 86-87 who had never heard of KW but had found that sound in a bank for a sampler (one of the 1st AKAI, AFAIR), liked it and was using it in almost every song. The funny thing is that another guy in the studio used to say : aren't you afraid that people, when they hear that sound, will think that there was some interference in the gear during recording and that we don't = have everything under control ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:30:52 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, thomas m weibrecht wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 "ROBOT" writes: > >People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. > >can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. > > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in > siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u > need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? > please elaborate as i am very curious... She probably lives in one of those areas of the 'states that have been hard-hit by snow and ice storms lately. Lots of power lines came down. Hundreds of thousands of people were without power. You know the routine. Americans just can't take a little inclement weather. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe? - Not crap! Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:50:34 -0500 >>> So I'm not the only one who sings the virtues of the production on EC? That album always seems to get trashed by kw fans and other, but it is one of the most deep and stunning albums (on side 1 of course) I have heard for a long while. Each small part appears to have had massive thought and delicacy applied. As somebody once posted, it's like the difference between vga and svga. <<< Word! EC's always been my favorite KW album. When I first put the CD on, I was like, "THIS is KW?" because the sound was radically different than anything else they (or anyone else) did at the time. It still blows me away. A real work of genius. >>> As for critics back in 86: I don't know about other countries, but here in France, they actually described side 1 of EC as "soundtrack for rappers" which is a bit different... It meant that after the use of Numbers & TEE by A. Bambataa and their success in various NY hispanic & funk clubs, KW seemed more busy in producing elaborate soundscapes that rappers could grab for their own use, than producing euro techno- pop songs as they used to do before... <<< Well, they did help spawn Miami bass and freestyle (and, of course, just about everything else), which used to be called "Latin hip-hop." Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) The web site Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:25:46 -0500 1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new tracks? It just seems rather curious, if you ask me. Maybe they're putting there latest efforts into their web site rather than into real new music. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Sossi" Subject: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:08:50 +1100 This is a letter from someone on the Jean Michel Jarre mailing list! ---------- > From: Johan Lewin > To: Jarrelistan > Subject: Aqua-Jarre > Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:17 AM >=20 > You wish to get off the list? Go to http://www.clic.net/jarre/mailing.html > Really From: Johan Lewin >=20 > Hello! >=20 > Do Jarre fans have a reason to like Aqua (Barbie Girl, Doctor Jones, an= d so > on...)? Now they do! Claus, the red-haired songwriter, said in an interview > that he is musically influenced by Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk and Depeche > Mode. >=20 > I have always thought that there was something that seperated Aqua from > other similar bands. Now I know what! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Johan Lewin --- > jlewin@hem1.passagen.se > UIN: 1616552 >=20 > "Ce n'est pas la musique qui est =E9lectronique mais les instruments" > - Jean-Michel Jarre >=20 >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 23:23:12 +0000 PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > i happen to think Autechre post amber are one of the most important > developments in techno/music since Kontakte and Rot Well, you are entitled to your opinion. To put Autechre in the same level as Kontakte and Rot is silly, IMHO. For one, it is quite unclear that Autechre et al do and will have comparable groundbreaking concepts, at least as Kontakte. Unless, of course, you're talking about influence in the pop scene or, you are speaking of a piece called Kontakte other than Stockhausen's. The fact is that whilst Kontakte brought to light many new facts about sound and timbral duality, and that perhaps Rot might have been heavily influenced by it, I doubt Autechre or any other band emerging from pop share the same research desire you find in avant-garde and other "academic" emusic composers. You're mixing two different realities when you state the above about music in general. What you're saying is similar to something like The Beatles being the most important development since Mozart and Beethoven. And it is an appropriate example, since at the time of The Beatles the most important developments in music were being accomplished by the likes of Stockhausen. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 19:00:22 EST (<< *techno*/music >>) -Not early Sound sound exploreation- Exploration is an every day way of life for many creating electronic music the pop aspect of Autechre is not the most interesting but hidden under the pop is many thousands of hours of sonic Exploreation honed into a neet sound scape this is a vital step in the mind 90s *Techno* not unlkike 70s and ongoing work kraftwerk or Conrad Schnitzler # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 07 Feb 1998 00:04:09 -0000 > I have always thought that there was something that seperated Aqua from > other similar bands. Now I know what! yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 07 Feb 1998 00:02:40 -0000 ><Do you think they have elaborated some kind of system where Ralf has >to pedal to bring electricity to their gear ?>> > >No. They simply continue what they've been doing for the last 12 years. hehehe. absolutely fuck all. quite! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 07 Feb 1998 00:21:43 +0000 PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > (<< *techno*/music >>) > > -Not early Sound sound exploreation- > > Exploration is an every day way of life for many creating electronic music > the pop aspect of Autechre is not the most interesting but hidden under the > pop is many thousands of hours of sonic Exploreation honed into a neet sound > scape > this is a vital step in the mind 90s *Techno* not unlkike 70s and ongoing work > kraftwerk or Conrad Schnitzler Again, a totally different frame of mind. The last couple of minutes of Kontakte took 3 months to complete, just to be discarded and started again from blank because it was not as intended. It is not a question of neat soundscapes, it is a question of exposing content. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRODUKT01@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 06 Feb 1998 20:16:12 EST In a message dated 98-02-06 19:24:41 EST, you write: << it is a question of exposing content. >> Autechre Expose many hundreds of layers of electronic sonics and sample experimentation. Complex wave-editing and an intricate weaving of melodic structure into noise and extremely calculated beats. Autechre's last album, Chiastic Slide, took over a year to record and was a compiling of 60 tracks condensed into a body of work. The difference between Stockhausen is merely time and the number of sound experiments carried out over the course of 30+ years. Stockhausen's most recent criticisms of electronic music is typical of someone who fears repetition and poly-rhythms and advanced double or triple speed beats. To dismiss Autechre or my comment as 'silly' only goes to show your lack of imagination or understanding of my point. That is, what Autechre is doing for techno is as important as what Karlheinz Stockhausen did for overall sound and music. I am putting the importance of Autechre's contribution in the techno area where I feel they have strong roots and repercussions; most techno is rather drab and unsophisticated, produced by people with little to no understanding of soundscape, largely giving in to excess of totally unstructured pieces or completely dominated by beats with no understanding of the sonics, and void of overall concept. Autechre hides many layers of experimentation in simplistic melodies and structures, giving the listener a little at a time but with expansive exposure to the soundscapes the listener will find ideas and musical concepts that Stockhausen has yet to embrace or even recognize. How dare you call my ideas 'silly'. My understanding of electronic music and application is vast (not to toot my own horn) but some of you people on this list are quite useless, making comments like someone's ideas being silly or that Kraftwerk's influence isn't vast--then and now EQ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 06 Feb 1998 13:12:25 EST On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0500 Marc Houle writes: > >Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this >Kevorkian guy? >I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything >about him! The only Kevorkian I know of is Dr. Jack Kevorkian, sometimes refered to as "Dr. Death". Probably the most visable, if not the biggest proponent of legalizing "Physician Assisted Suicide" in the state of Michigan (USA). As far as I know, he's not into music...but, given his reputation, Kevorkian would be a great name for a punk rock band, at least in the USA. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Whose God and which Heaven??? Date: 06 Feb 1998 23:28:50 -0800 >> It makes me tearful to read Kraftwerk fans insulting the groups >> which Kraftwerk paved the way towards. Especially when vice >> versa, I recognise how vital Kw were to those later groups sounds... > >hehehe....God help you if this sort of thing reduces you to tears. > And God help YOU, when you die and go to heaven, and hear the Petshopboys on God's stereo, and finally discover the perfect angelic ecstatic bliss, and you'll regret that you'd closed your mind to it for all of your life ...regarding the above...maybe I shouldn't but in, although it seems rather strange to me that we should care emotionally WHO Kraftwerk "paved the way towards"......first of all, my GOD (who won't be playing anything by the PSB upon my entrance thank you very much), I'm sure there's a high percentage of bands out there technological or not who would consider KW an influence as well as leaders that paved the way for them in their genre of music. Boo hoo if I think any of them suck...I happen to like a number of songs by the PSB like the 12" version of Opportunities, however, overall their library of songs, IMHHHHO is not sophisticated enough for MY TASTES. If you like them, great, continue buying and enjoying. But I don't understand what brain you're using when you imply that we should have some sorta' allegiance to a band that happens to be following KW's sound...it just seems like making a big deal outta' nuthin'really all that important in the first place...but then again, maybe it is, if in fact you believe that God is gonna' be blastin' West End Girls or Go West upon arrival to Heaven on Angels Wings flight 777... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Re: Ralf's pedalpower Date: 06 Feb 1998 23:31:47 -0800 Jules wrote: hehe, Ralf, push ze pedals faster, ve shall nezer get this schwein lp in ze shops before ze millennium. I have to say I laughed out loud at that one...your humor is much appreciated...especially as the flames continue aflyin'... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 06 Feb 1998 23:37:15 -0800 > From: > To: ROBOT@humboldt1.com > Cc: KRAFTWERK@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. > Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 12:40 PM -(ROBOT says)- *ARGH*. Fresh batteries, anyone? I need all the help I can get! > > -(thomas m weibrecht says)- > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? Loleta, California, a few miles south of Eureka. Dude, if you had RAIN, RAIN, and MORE rain, with 70mph wind-gusts and 300-foot tall Redwoods toppling into power lines, and if you were surrounded by water, living in a tiny-moldy cottage with primitive housewiring on a 15-amp fuse, you wouldn't be using your Computer much either.*ARGH*. Believe me, it's a LOT worse in a lot of other places. God forbid R&F ever lose power to Kling Klang! "Tu a'VELO! Ve RIDE!! KranK UP ze Generator!! Mach schnell!!" ps: Some of my best friends are electric! =OHM SOGGY OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 07 Feb 1998 09:41:15 +0100 PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > > Autechre hides many > layers of experimentation in simplistic melodies and structures, giving the > listener a little at a time but with expansive exposure to the soundscapes the > listener will find ideas and musical concepts that Stockhausen has yet to > embrace or even recognize. For instance ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) The web site Date: 07 Feb 1998 09:49:56 +0100 > From: Adam Schefflan > 1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? I was wondering the same: Most information on the web site was put there after discussed on the list or shown somewhere else: a. Links to Luton Hoo and to Karlsruhe after discussion on the list, b. The concertvideo after the same part of music was broadcast on MTV and the pictures of the KW-spidermen where put on the web sites of some of the list-members. c. The animated robot is very easy to do and the picture of thet robot was already used in 1991. d. Everybody can find the "letour"-website. But on the other hand, if it was fake, KW should already have sued the maintainer. So my conclusion is that they are very very very louzy. > 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new > tracks? Not that I know. At least not one of the three new songs played in Karlsruhe. Erik Barth dbarth@xs4all.nl Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there first and is waiting for it. (Pratchett, Reaper Man) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Dinger releases Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:32:31 +0000 The details for the two most recent Klaus Dinger releases on the Captain Trip label are: 1) Thomas Dinger: "Fuer Mich" Catalogue number: CTCD-078 (la! NEU? 1.000-8) Same artwork & tracklisting as on the original LP release, plus two bonus tracks (apparently from the La Duesseldorf period): a) Kostprobe 1 (1-A Duesseldorf), 2:34" b) Kostprobe 2 (1-A Duesseldorf), 5:20" Klaus Dinger is credited for re-mastering and transformation. 2) la! NEU? - Rembrandt: "God Strikes Back" Catalogue number: CTCD-087 (la! NEU? 1.000-9) Klaus Dinger is co-credited for production and mastering. He has also co-written one of the 25 album tracks: "Und dann? / So what?". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Bartos Scores Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:32:32 +0000 > From: lbo > > > in my hand, a nice piece of work called "Drei kleine St=FCcke f=FCr > > Xylophon und Vibraphon" (Three small pieces for xylophone and vibrapho= ne), > > composed by Karl Bartos. > > hey! that's great! do you know if there are other of these? Yes, there is another one: "Fuenfzehn Etueden fuer zwei kleine Trommeln". > in which year it was copyrighted? The "Drei kleine Stuecke" are from 1988, the Etudes are from 1990. > do you know if it was recorded? No, it wasn't (or if it was, then it wasn't published). > From: SRRecords@aol.com > > Are any of these printed percussion pieces available in the US? Both are still available, AFAIK, and it should be possible to order them at any good music shop. The publisher is the Musikverlag Zimmermann, Frankfurt am Main. The ordering numbers are: ZM 2715: "Drei kleine Stuecke fuer Xylophon und Vibraphon" ZM 2776: "Fuenfzehn Etueden fuer zwei kleine Trommeln". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rother Interview Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:32:29 +0000 The February issue of the German magazine Zillo contains an interview with Michael Rother. A short excerpt from the article (incl. archive photo) is online at http://www.netcity.de/zillo/aktuell/auszug.htm#harmonia Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 07 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know about the other subscribers: 1) Where from? 2) Occupation? 3) Age? FYI i'm from London, England. I'm 27 years old and work for an Investment bank in the City as an IT developer/systems integrator. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The web site - The White album??? Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:29:15 -0800 Adam wrote:- >>1. Is the KW web site really the real deal? 2. Is that loop that plays with the antenna picture one of the new tracks?<< Last time this this discussed a flame war ensued - beware! 1) I originally couldn't believe it is genuine, however, it is! = Kraftwerk merchandise promoting it has been officially sold at their = recent concerts.=20 2) Who knows?? As an IT professional my technical view of the web site is that it's = HOPELESS. The structure is abysmal, image compression and linking are = inefficient and it appears never to be updated. It's supporters justify = it by regarding it as 'minimal'. There is a fine line between minimalism = and a lack of effort. If minimalism was the aim the site could have been = kept to one page with the following structure: Title Album List Forthcoming concerts / releases or even better why not just leave www.kraftwerk.com as a blank page. IT = COULD HAVE BEEN THE WHITE ALBUM FOR THE INTERNET AGE. God help us if this represents the quality of the new album.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:25:10 -0800 ROBOT wrote:- >because they don't suit my personal taste, okay? Basically, MOST people = on this List like KW to SOME degree, -(although some people get on here and trash KW and I wonder why the hell they're ON the List if they DON'T = like 'em)-,< Good to have you back ROBOT! I'm in complete agreement with you. Adding to your statement I would say = there is nothing wrong with criticising Kraftwerk, although it must be = done in the right context. For example, it's reasonable to express an = opinion that Electric Cafe maybe less inspired than CW. However, it's = patently ludicrous to compare Kraftwerk with vastly less sophisticated = bands like the PSBs, or plainly simple bands like Erasure and Yazoo. = Would you argue in favour of using the propulsion system of a firework = rocket if warp drive existed?? The difference is of the same magnitude = as that between Kraftwerk and PSBs.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:35:29 -0800 >yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-).< The FEMALE I hope. I wouldn't say no to her either! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) New Dinger releases Date: 07 Feb 1998 12:40:24 -0800 Klaus, What is happening with Dinger's legal case? What does Dinger like to eat = and drink? Does he prefer blondes or brunettes? What car does he drive? I'm sure we'd all like to read the answers to these pressing questions = about Dinger. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Date: 07 Feb 1998 15:28:56 +0100 the german freebie-magazine INTRO on recent hits based on covers of = older=20 tracks: Auch wenn der urspr=FCngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines St=FCckes = durch die=20 Coverversion torpediert wird, so bleibt er nichtsdestotrotz in einer=20 Hinsicht wichtig - als Kaufargument. According to MAX GOLDT klatscht ein = Publikum n=E4mlich nicht, weil ihm etwas besonders gut gef=E4llt, = sondern weil=20 es etwas bereits kennt. So ist es ein kluger Schachzug der Firma = RAMMSTEIN,=20 anstelle der f=E4lligen dritten Auskopplung aus "Sehnsucht" ihre = Ausdeutung=20 von KRAFTWERKs "Das Modell" auf den Markt zu werfen, schlie=DFlich hat = man=20 sich unl=E4ngst hierzulande auf die Wichtigkeit der D=FCsseldorfer=20 Elektro-Pioniere besonnen, so da=DF KRAFTWERK selbst ein gro=DFes = Comeback=20 feiern konnten. Seitens des RAMMSTEIN-Marketings m=F6chte man das = Man=F6ver wie=20 folgt verstanden wissen: "Sicherlich haben sich RAMMSTEIN in puncto=20 hypnotische Gradlinigkeit der Beats einige Inspiration bei KRAFTWERK=20 geholt. Auch bei der Wirkung nach au=DFen sind RAMMSTEIN nach KRAFTWERK = wohl=20 die Meister des plakativen Imagings. F=FCr einige wird 'Das Modell' ein=20 Sakrileg sein, f=FCr andere ein interessanter Verweis darauf, wie Musik=20 entsteht und wie sie sich entwickelt." Die gro=DFe Huldigungs-Klamotte = also,=20 gegen die wenig einzuwenden w=E4re, w=E4re das timing nicht so frappant = g=FCnstig=20 und das musikalische Ergebnis nicht so fragw=FCrdig - ganz abgesehen = davon,=20 da=DF RAMMSTEIN sich ihren betr=E4chtlichen Schu=DF sicherlich nicht bei = KRAFTWERK geholt haben. An der Metal-Klampfe macht der deutsche Mann, = was=20 er kann: Zwischen beiden Versionen bestehen signifikante Unterschiede. = Das=20 Original ist maniriert, artifiziell und dekadent, die = RAMMSTEIN-Ausdeutung=20 nichts weiter als atavistisch; inwieweit das schwei=DFige Geschraddel = mit der=20 Songthematik in =DCbereinstimmung zu bringen ist, wei=DF der Schrat.=20 Lachhafterweise verlegen RAMMSTEIN das Szenario aus der Haute Couture = ("Sie=20 trinkt auf Parties immer Sekt - korrekt") ins Schmuddelmilieu ("Sie = trinkt=20 in Nachtclubs immer Sekt - korrekt"), vermutlich, weil die=20 RAMMSTEIN-Klientel sich dort am besten auskennt. someone willing to translate ?! ;) .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) INTRO on KW Date: 07 Feb 1998 15:46:52 +0100 german freebie-magazine INTRO published in its last issue (2/98) a = reader's poll: among the best 20 concerts or live events 1997: KRAFTWERK exact ranking positon fallows.... .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:15:16 EST In a message dated 2/7/98 5:14:43 AM, you wrote: <> Actually, Jack Kevorkian plays the organ and has even released an organ CD. And there already is a punk band named after him: The Suicide Machines, which used to be Jack Kevorkian and the Suicide Machines!!!!! (or something to that effect) strange..... The one he's asking about it Francois Kevorkian - didn't somebody on this list used to work in Kevorkian's studio?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 07 Feb 1998 18:01:34 +0000 > where are these magical Computer world sounding/same concept gems? A review in Rock & Folk described "Pocket Calculator" and "Homecomputer" as typical Tokow Boys / Artefakt songs. A Sounds review draw conceptual comparisons to Mittagspause, Der Plan, DAF and Wirtschaftswunder. > i went out of my way to post a few of the guys comments who have > noted KW as an influence or getting..into the music of KW ..so far not one > comment has been made on my post! I think that these quotes must be put into proportion. It was already mentioned here that most books about electronic music don't even mention Kraftwerk. > but some of you people on this list are quite useless, making comments > like someone's ideas being silly or that Kraftwerk's influence isn't > vast It depends on how you define "vast", but since Kraftwerk's influence is almost completely limited to certain aspects of popular electronic music, I think that it makes good sense to conclude that their influence isn't that vast in general. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:59:03 -0800 >yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-).< The FEMALE I hope. I wouldn't say no to her either! responding: Yeah, God forbid if he meant the male singer. That's too much a threat to my masculinity/moral sense too... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES Date: 07 Feb 1998 18:57:23 +0000 PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: > Autechre Expose many hundreds of layers of electronic sonics and > sample experimentation. Complex wave-editing and an intricate weaving > of melodic structure into noise and extremely calculated beats. Them and a load of other bands. > Autechre's last album, Chiastic Slide, took over a year to record and > was a compiling of 60 tracks condensed into a body of work. Check the work of Download for instance. > The difference between Stockhausen is merely time and the number of > sound experiments carried out over the course of 30+ years. Also a completely different stance towards what is music and what it should be. > Stockhausen's most recent criticisms of electronic music is typical of > someone who fears repetition and poly-rhythms and advanced double or > triple speed beats. Wrong. Repetition was outcasted a long time ago in the avant-garde scene. And the complexity it generated paved the way to minimalism, which is also different from Autechre et al. > To dismiss Autechre or my comment as 'silly' only goes to show your > lack of imagination or understanding of my point. I believe one has indeed to have a soaring imagination to comply with many statements posted in this list. > That is, what Autechre is doing for techno is as important as what > Karlheinz Stockhausen did for overall sound and music. So, you prove you were hasty when replying to my comments, and inferring on the quality of my imagination. I clearly stated that I accepted your comments if they restricted themselves to pop-music and in particular techno. > Autechre hides many layers of experimentation in simplistic melodies > and structures, giving the listener a little at a time Them and a load of other bands. > but with expansive exposure to the soundscapes the listener will find > ideas and musical concepts that Stockhausen has yet to embrace or even > recognize. You do indeed have a lot of imagination. By that token, I would be attending Autechre at the next season of electronic and modern music at Darmstadt... > How dare you call my ideas 'silly'. My understanding of electronic > music and application is vast (not to toot my own horn) but some of > you people on this list are quite useless, making comments like > someone's ideas being silly or that Kraftwerk's influence isn't > vast--then and now You know, some of us were already around making music when some others weren't even born or were playing with baby toys. Again, I agree that KW's influence may be vast, but only in the context of electro-pop and the countless derivatives it may have, and that Autechre may be leading techno to a higher level. To extrapolate that into music in general and in particular the most recent developments in emusic is indeed silly. And more silly it is to react in such an inflammatory way, when my comments were targeted and circumscribed to the scope you applied your statements to. The nowadays parallel to Stockhausen is not Autechre nor even Kraftwerk. It is Radulescu, Murail, Grisey and so on. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:49:30 -0800 > From: **************** > To: KRAFTWERK@xmission.com; 'ROBOT@humboldt1.com' > > Good to have you back ROBOT! ThanX! :] ROBOSMILEY -(mode.123 says)- >> I'm in complete agreement with you. Adding to your statement I would say there is nothing wrong with criticising Kraftwerk, although it must be done in the right context. -(SNIP)- Would you argue in favour of using the propulsion system of a firework rocket if warp drive existed?? << *HeeHee* I like that analogy! Speaking of criticism: Jeez- you really socked it to KW's "Official" WebSite!*snicker*! If you wanna see a really LAME WebSite, just go to MY HomePage!*HeeHee*! I did it just to make the boys' page look good. Hm-m, so, KW is gonna be at this Roskilde Festival, eh? We shall see.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) Topics Dropped Date: 07 Feb 1998 16:33:46 -0500 The following is a list of topics I would like to see dropped from the list: 1. It makes me depressed.... 2. Flame Wars Suck..... 3. KW vs PSB, TG & SM 4. Electronic Orgasm 5. This One. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Topics Dropped Date: 07 Feb 1998 18:33:56 EST >The following is a list of topics I would like to see dropped from the list: >1. It makes me depressed.... >2. Flame Wars Suck..... >3. KW vs PSB, TG & SM >4. Electronic Orgasm >5. This One. It makes me depressed that you think Flame Wars Suck. I mean, the KW vs PSB, TG & SM mail was not as interesting as This One, but it still gave me and a lot of other list members an Electronic Orgasm ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 07 Feb 1998 23:06:39 +0100 >did u or anyone u know tape this show? ive got lots to trade....regards, if you're interested in Sakamoto, I read that wednesday 11 february 1998, between 14.00 and 15.30 there will be a live performance by him broadcased by internet at this address: http://classicalinsites.com/live/performa/concert/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Topics Dropped Date: 07 Feb 1998 19:29:25 EST On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:33:46 -0500 Marc Houle writes: > >The following is a list of topics I would like to see dropped from the >list: > >1. It makes me depressed.... >2. Flame Wars Suck..... >3. KW vs PSB, TG & SM >4. Electronic Orgasm >5. This One. > 6. why cant we all get along? 7. why cant we accept that everyone has different opinions? flames are us, tom w np: marley - war _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 07 Feb 1998 19:37:01 EST On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:06:39 +0100 lbo writes: > >>did u or anyone u know tape this show? ive got lots to >trade....regards, > >if you're interested in Sakamoto, I read that wednesday 11 february >1998, >between 14.00 and 15.30 there will be a live performance by him >broadcased >by internet at this address: > >http://classicalinsites.com/live/performa/concert/ no capability...if anyone does tape this, pls contact me...ill trade u all my kw.... tom w np: sakamoto - revenge _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Topics Dropped Date: 07 Feb 1998 17:28:32 -0800 >The following is a list of topics I would like to see dropped from the list: >1. It makes me depressed.... >2. Flame Wars Suck..... >3. KW vs PSB, TG & SM >4. Electronic Orgasm >5. This One. It makes me depressed that you think Flame Wars Suck. I mean, the KW vs PSB, TG & SM mail was not as interesting as This One, but it still gave me and a lot of other list members an Electronic Orgasm ;-) RESPONDING: the thing I like about this list is that we can make fun of ourselves whilst driving each other crazy... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tangram Subject: (kw) (no subject) Date: 07 Feb 1998 20:37:24 -0500 there was once a link given to the site with KW having been cofirmed as one of the bands at this year's Roskilde Festival what was it again? thank you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernesto Perez Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 07 Feb 1998 20:12:13 +0000 Marc Houle wrote: >=20 > Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this > Kevorkian guy? > I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything abo= ut him! >=20 > Marc Fran=E7ois Kevorkian was a disco producer in the late 70s who eventually made it to the mainstream by remixing and producing such acts as Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and Yaz. He eventually went into obscurity and returned in the mid 90's with a new, reworked underground New York House sound. He has his own label (with co-owner, Eric Kupper) called Streetwave. It is a very, Eletronic House sounding label and has acts from all over the world on it. He is one of my favorite producers of all time and is said to do some incredible DJ sets. That help? Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 07 Feb 1998 10:52:40 EST On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 **************** writes: > > >Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know >about the other subscribers: I'm interested too... >1) Where from? Warren, Michigan, USA. Immediately north of Detroit in southeast lower Michigan (on a map, Michigan is the state that looks like a mitten, surrounded on three sides by water). >2) Occupation? Officially my job title is P.M.S. - Post-Production Maintenance Supervisor. Essentially I do machine and building repairs after production has shut down and gone home, to get things ready for the next day. I work for a meat processing company in downtown Detroit. >3) Age? 38 years (12 Nov 59) >FYI i'm from London, England. I'm 27 years old and work for an >Investment bank in the City as an IT developer/systems integrator. Oh...white collar... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 07 Feb 1998 21:26:44 -0700 (MST) On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, **************** wrote: > Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know > about the other subscribers: What the heck. I've been here 3 years and I don't know these weirdos. :) I'm curious too. > 1) Where from? Canada. Currently living in Calgary, Alberta. > 2) Occupation? Tenured student. I wish. :) Actually I'm a year or so from finishing my BSc in Computer Science. After that I'll be going for an MSc in same, and after that I might have to get a job. :( > 3) Age? I'll be 26 in about 5 weeks. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk! Date: 07 Feb 1998 23:34:02 -0800 Hello all. I just subscribed to this mailing list. I've been on the ztt mailing list on this server for awhile, but I just found out about this one. Anyway, I've been listening to kraftwerk for a pretty long time now and just wish they'd finally put out a new album. Incidentally, I'm in an early depeche mode-ish synth-pop band, and you all are welcome to check out our web site at: http://www.carr.lib.md.us/~pdaly Cheers! Patrick S. Daly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 07 Feb 1998 21:49:47 -0700 > > 1) Where from? > > All over.. originally from Chicago, now living the big desert of Arizona.. > Lived in New Mexico, Nevada, and now Arizona.. > > > 2) Occupation? > > Just a college student :) Occupation enough! > > > 3) Age? > > 19 yrs. old # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 07 Feb 1998 23:26:30 -0800 Let's play a game and try and think of all the merchandizing products that could be made available if someone were to have carte blanche to create Kraftwerk collectibles. (I'm not saying this is a good or bad idea, just an idea). Here's my start: Kraftwerk Hallmark Ornament (like the Beatles one if you've seen it) Kraftwerk Metal Lunchbox (classic retro) Kraftwerk Calculator Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) Kraftwerk Coins/Stamps/Postcards Kraftwerk Bicycle Kraftwerk CD Box (to hold CD's) Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) Please add your own ten ideas! --Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 08 Feb 1998 00:55:35 -0700 (MST) On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Fred Becker wrote: > Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer Without the floating-point bug, I hope. :) > Please add your own ten ideas! What I'd really like are miniature KW robots that move in reaction to sounds in the room. If I had more mechanical skill I'd build one myself. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:36:56 +0100 BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" and a song like "The Model" ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES / DIGITAL GRAFITTI Date: 08 Feb 1998 09:35:33 -0800 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >It depends on how you define "vast", but since Kraftwerk's influence=20 is almost completely limited to certain aspects of popular electronic=20 music, I think that it makes good sense to conclude that their=20 influence isn't that vast in general.< KLaus:- Your comments can only be described as DIGITAL GRAFITTI which deface = this mailing list. Are you on this list only to rubbish them and talk = about DINGER? Let me quote the Sunday Time's recent encyclopaedia of 20th Century = Music 'Kraftwerk are second only to The Beatles in the amount they have = influenced the development of contemporary music'.=20 General point: - As a general point I'm getting fed-up with people who are intent on = rubbishing Kraftwerk in favour of other irrelevant bands/individuals. = Quoting myself, "It's patently ludicrous to compare Kraftwerk with = vastly less sophisticated bands like the PSBs, or plainly simple bands = like Erasure and Yazoo. Would you argue in favour of using the = propulsion system of a firework rocket if warp drive existed??"=20 Can we please endeavour to reduce the level of TOXIC EMISSIONS posted to = this list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 08 Feb 1998 03:07:17 -0700 mode.123 wrote:-=20 >Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know = about the other subscribers: 1) Where from? 2) Occupation? 3) Age? FYI i'm from London, England. I'm 27 years old and work for an = Investment bank in the City as an IT developer/systems integrator. < Please keep sending the responses. I will publish the results in a week = or 2's time. It's clear there's a wide range of people on this list. mode.123=20 "Probably the worlds most intelligent Kraftwerk fan" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = development of electronic music. Rock and pop music have been influenced = by numerous women, especially since the Debbie Harry era. I'm sure they = would contribute a lot.......+ then I might want to have posters of = electronic bands on my bedroom wall... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 03:10:12 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, jbv wrote: > BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" > and a song like "The Model" ? Not sure what you're trying to get at. Or is this another of those posts that turns out to be a joke after the fact? I would say that "The Model" is a straightforward song about a fashion model, and "Barbie Girl" is an amusing parody of the whole fashion model and girls' toys industries. There is some remote correlation between the topics of the two songs, but that's about all. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T." Subject: (kw) Has anyone heard from Anders Wilhelm? Date: 08 Feb 1998 05:28:27 -0500 Hello everybody. Just wondering if anyone has heard from Anders Wilhelm lately? I need to get in touch with him regarding a business matter. If anyone (even Anders himself) is able to provide a current email address, please forward it to me. Thanks :) -John 'efofex' Talbert ______________________________________________________________________ r e s o n a n c e u n d e r g r o u n d "...Enter the carousel; This is the time for renewal." Featuring the electronica of 'EFOFEX' - Debut CD is now available! http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES / DIGITAL GRAFITTI Date: 08 Feb 1998 11:34:58 +0100 **************** wrote: > > KLaus:- > > Your comments can only be described as DIGITAL GRAFITTI which deface this mailing list. Are you on this list only to rubbish them and talk about DINGER? > Yum yum ! I can smell the nice flavour of adrenaline in the air... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 11:38:11 +0100 > On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, jbv wrote: > > > BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" > > and a song like "The Model" ? Ra wrote: > Not sure what you're trying to get at. Nothing specific. Just wondering about the pop structure of both songs, the lyrics topic and the impact of both songs on the audience... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Power Failures & Flame Wars suck. Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:55:31 -0800 ROBOT!:- >If you wanna see a really LAME WebSite, just go to MY = HomePage!*HeeHee*! I did it just to make the boys' page look good.< I've visited your site several times and would strongly recommend anyone = to have a look. Your cartoons are fabulous (those on this list who need = to lighten up would benefit from looking) and the whole site works very = well. If only I could be as complimentary about the Kraftwerk site. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:32:23 +0000 > From: **************** > >It depends on how you define "vast", but since Kraftwerk's influence > >is almost completely limited to certain aspects of popular electronic > >music, I think that it makes good sense to conclude that their > >influence isn't that vast in general. > > Your comments can only be described as DIGITAL GRAFITTI which deface > this mailing list. > Let me quote the Sunday Time's recent encyclopaedia of 20th Century Music > 'Kraftwerk are second only to The Beatles in the amount they have > influenced the development of contemporary music'. 1) Your quote is inaccurate. What they wrote is in fact " Kraftwerk influenced the course of popular music almost as much as the Beatles." So they wrote not "second only", but "almost as much", and they wrote "popular music", not "contemporary music"! 2) Can you give me an example for Kraftwerk being a major influence in other fields than popular electronic music? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: WG: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:10:53 +0100 ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Andreas Schepers=20 Gesendet am: Samstag, 7. Februar 1998 15:42 An: '****************' Betreff: AW: (kw) SURVEY yezzz, let's out some life into our KW-community by presenting = ourselves: andreas schepers where from: germany, essen, ruhr-area, 25 km from duesseldorf currently in saarbruecken, south-west germany occupation: consultant in an internet-agency /=20 student of intercultural communication and information science at the = university of the saarland (that's actually the university's name ;) (and, of course: running my own webserver at http://www.andreas.de :))) age: 23 best regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 04:55:55 -0800 mode.123 wrote: Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know about the other subscribers: 1) Where from? Originally from the German town of Anaheim, now the home of Disneyland but now live the glam life in the stunningly beautiful east end of Hollywood almost Los Feliz Village section of Los Angeles... 2) Occupation? Outside of being the spiritual guide to the Cult of Eidophusikon, currently I am casting a show for MTV...soon to be on to another project probably at Paramount Pictures... 3) Age? 29 years...looking forward to getting out of my twenties (the roller coaster years) and hitting my 30th year on May 9th... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net "Today's Cult for a Tomorrow Kinda' People" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 08:13:14 EST On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 **************** writes: > >There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = >development of electronic music. guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... tom w np: united states of america _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:45:14 -0800 Klaus wrote: >1) Your quote is inaccurate. What they wrote is in fact< Klaus - you have previously modified quotes to humiliate list = subscribers (remember the DINGER fiasco). The underlying meaning of the = quote you provided was identical to what I posted.=20 2) Can you give me an example for Kraftwerk being a major influence=20 in other fields than popular electronic music? Example 1 I can give you lots of examples. Consider contemporary German culture = following World War 2 - it was virtually non-existent. The shame of = being German proliferated through the late 40, and 1950's. This changed = in the 60's and 70's as German culture nurtured new roots. Kraftwerk = were a PIVOTAL factor during this period. As a German this should be = obvious to you.=20 Example 2 Kraftwerk helped destroy the racial divide in contemporary music. The = fusion between Kraftwerk and black US rappers during the 1980's tore = down the walls that divided white and black music. The 2 examples above illustrate perfectly how much influence Kraftwerk = have had beyond the popular music business. GAME, SET AND MATCH mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) really quite annoyed Date: 06 Feb 1998 04:51:47 +0000 >I completely agree with your point. As I said, PSB have released a number of >ineffectual and pointless albums. Comparing them to Kraftwerk shows an >embarassing lack of understanding by some people. I never compared them to Kraftwerk as they are two different styles of music but I will defend them if they are unjustly criticsed. If you want ineffectual and pointless, why not look at some CD's with a) no musical imagination b) no lyrical or conceptual insight c) nothing new to contribute to the world. By using three criteria, you will see the pet shop boys are not pointless or ineffectual. They're just not to your taste. So drop it. Mark -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:58:48 +0900 >> Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this >> Kevorkian guy? >> I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything about >> him! >> >> Marc Hi Marc, I bet you mean Francois Kevorkian (aka Francois K), who once remixed "The Mix" version of "Radioactivity". He's a huge dance music guy, and owns an underground label called "Wave Music" . CD "The best of Wave Music vol.1" is already available, and Fraocois K did all the mixes. It has no connection with Kraftwerk, though. Regards, Hiroshi. p.s For those who can get Japanese magazines, his interview is found on February issue of "Loud" (page 16-17). The CD can be found at some techno places, such as Cisco Techno Shop (Shibuya, Tokyo) or Tower Records. I got it at Cisco Techno. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:58:19 +0900 Hi Johan, I suppose it's his world tour as "trio" on summer 1996. Everton Nelson (violin), Jacques Morelembaum (cello) and Ryuichi Sakamoto (piano). All three players performed really groovey, although no rhythm instruments were used. Their stages were enthusiastically accepted on all the places, such as New York, Sicilia, Athens, Singapore, Tokyo, Roskilde 1996 (!!!), etc etc. 8-) For the YMO track - it must be "Tong Poo". One of the most classic track of Sakamoto, which first appeared in YMO's first album. I'm sure about the track since it's the only YMO track they played during the tour, at least before they come back to Japan. :-) (They also played "1000 knives" at Tokyo and Osaka.) Regards, Hiroshi. Am 6 Feb 1998 15:36:02 +0100, schreibt johan.andersson@allers.aller.se: >Sorry, just watched and enjoyed, It was an concertsetting with RS on piano >(the big curvy piano I don't know what it's called in english) and two other >guys on cello/violin - not what everybody had expected i suppose, but the >3000 people tent was more than full, and it was a great atmosfere. Riuchi and >the other guys seemed really suprised of the great response from the audience >even though there was'n a synthesizer in sight. >He opened one of the songs saying: >This is a song by a band you might know, theyre called the Yellow magic >orchestra - and of course we all just loved it. >/Johan ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) What If? Date: 08 Feb 1998 01:12:17 +0000 >Kraftwerk Metal Lunchbox (classic retro) etc.. Kraftwerk programmable robot set Kraftwerk action men - four to collect Kraftwerk limited edition blue/red bicycle Kraftwerk telephones Kraftwerk extra black coffee in special mug Kraftwerk radio... now assuming that someobody involved with Kraftwerk reads this, according to current debate, then take note: do you remember what a new release is? oh yeah, and barbie girl is an S&M anthem.. dressed in plastic, it's fantastic.. etc.. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother CD postponed Date: 08 Feb 1998 16:21:45 +0000 From http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/new.html: > 2/3/98 * MICHEAL ROTHER (BUMPING TO???) * Chonicals 1 > (BUMPED TO MAY) * 0184 * Cleo * $15.98 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 16:21:45 +0000 > The underlying meaning of the quote you provided was identical to what I posted. Wrong. You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles. That's quite a difference. > Consider contemporary German culture following World War 2 - it was > virtually non-existent. Wrong again. The following names are a few examples of Germans (or people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of electronic music during the 1950ies: Stockhausen, Hiller, Biel, Meyer-Eppler, Kotowski, Kaegi, Kagel. (I'm just giving examples for electronic music, otherwise the list would be too long.) > Kraftwerk helped destroy the racial divide in contemporary music. At Kraftwerk's time the divide was mainly evident in certain subcultural musical genres, not so much in contemporary music on a whole (Jazz, Ragtime, Blues etc. etc.). > The fusion between Kraftwerk and black US rappers during the 1980's I was not aware that Kraftwerk fusionated with black US rappers... > tore down the walls that divided white and black music. What about Leonard Bernstein's "West Side Story" from 1957? > The 2 examples above illustrate perfectly how much influence Kraftwerk have > had beyond the popular music business. Your only example was their influence on rap music, and rap is a popular music genre. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:36:31 -0800 > You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second=20 most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually=20 wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles.<=20 The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential = band in contemporary music". >The following names are a few examples of Germans (or=20 people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of < The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names = you mentioned was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their = own. It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and = defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. >I was not aware that Kraftwerk fusionated with black US rappers...< Not being a Kraftwerk fan makes you unlikely to know that Kraftwerk will = arguably be the most sampled band of all time. Many black artists have = sampled them - this is the fusion to which I refer. >Your only example was their influence on rap music, and rap is a=20 popular music genre. < Your maths is rather weak, I've actually provided 2 examples and will = provide more if necessary. The 2 are that: 1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German culture. = Making it acceptable and mainstream. 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. mode.123=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) it makes me very depressed :~( / INFLUNCES / DIGITAL GRAFITTI Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:36:08 -0000 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >It depends on how you define "vast", but since Kraftwerk's influence is almost completely limited to certain aspects of popular electronic music, I think that it makes good sense to conclude that their influence isn't that vast in general.< Mode wrote: >Let me quote the Sunday Time's recent encyclopaedia of 20th Century Music >'Kraftwerk are second only to The Beatles in the amount they have >influenced the development of contemporary music'. Hey Mode, come on - you know shouldn't believe something just because you read it in a newspaper :-) The piece you quote also claims that Kraftwerk built their own synths to record Autobahn - is there any evidence to support this claim? (I'm talking about real playable synthesisers here, as the piece implies, not noise generators and drum pads). And it gets better: Kraftwerk are listed as a 'prog-rock group' - a stunningly well researched piece of journalism if ever I read one, in fact I suspect the author probably wrote the entire thing after pointing his web browser at the KW list archives and rather foolishly attributed some kind of critical value to the reams of mindless sycophancy he found there! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:44:30 -0000 >1) Where from? Born in Taunton, lived in London since '92 >2) Occupation? Web Application Developer at the University of North London. >3) Age? 26 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:41:51 -0000 >>yeah, i'd quite happily fuck the singer ;-).< >The FEMALE I hope. I wouldn't say no to her either! yeah, I had her in mind, but Rene's tasty too :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:33:26 +0500 >On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 **************** >writes: >> >> >>Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know >>about the other subscribers: >I'm interested too... >>1) Where from? Originally Oradell, NJ, then South Sterling, PA, then Oradell again, and now both Oradell and Bay Ridge in Brooklyn. >>2) Occupation? Assistant art director at Harris Publications in NYC. I work at the Dog News, a trade journal for breeders & handlers. Occasional cartoonist/musician. >>3) Age? >36 (3/30/61) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:36:04 -0600 >mode.123 wrote:- > >>Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know about the other subscribers: > >1) Where from? St. Louis, Missouri, USA >2) Occupation? Database consultant/contract database administrator/information systems trainer >3) Age? 40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its original release) Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: (kw) Survey Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:36:06 -0600 Hello. I am from the state of Arkansas in the United States, but plan on moving very, very soon. I am currently a student, an aspiring artist( I don't use the word lightly, very few people actually live up to it) and including in the artist category is film. My age, well timeless, like life. If anyone wants to discuss film or music, feel free to email me. Personally, I try to be extremely open minded to all views and cultures, and currently have a burgeoning interest in Hinduism. The only type of music I cannot stand is music done for dishonest reasons, such as money and trendiness(ie the current state of alternative music). I love all types of film, except films done for reasons that are explained in the above, I especially love horror, cult, and silent films. I have been a KW fan for approx. two years, when I saw the TEE video on Muchmusic. I was struck not only by the song, and the inhabitants of the train(what are they laughing at anyway, just curious) but the beauty of the video. Oh well, this is probably more than any of you wanted to know, but it makes me feel better. Sorry : -) Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:59:25 -0000 Andreas wrote: >the german freebie-magazine INTRO on recent hits based on covers of older >tracks: > >Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines Stckes durch die >[snip] > >someone willing to translate ?! ;) send it to the Babel Fish! always good for a laugh... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angela Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 10:47:54 -0600 yeah, I had her in mind, but Rene's tasty too :-) Your both wrong!! Klaus is the one. Sorry, now that I got that out of the way, what does any of this have to do with music? Heather D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 17:53:39 +0000 > > You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second > > most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually > > wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles. > > The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential band > in contemporary music". That's your interpretation. If they meant "contemporary", why did they write "popular"? And they've carefully avoided to use any superlatives... > The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names you > mentioned "Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in opposite to Kraftwerk... > was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their > own. In terms of commercial success maybe, in terms of musical influences hardly. > It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and > defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. Now that statement is a bit strong, isn't it? :-) > Kraftwerk will arguably be the most sampled band of all time. Maybe, but who knows? That's impossible to prove. > 1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German > culture. Making it acceptable and mainstream. German culture has always been accepted, except for the post-WW II-decade, maybe. And while Kraftwerk have helped to make electronic music mainstream, I can't see how this statement should be true for German culture in general. Finally, to make a genre mainstream doesn't automatically mean that this is influential for the genre itself. For example, Kraftwerk may have helped to make Stockhausen popular. But I can't see how Kraftwerk should have influenced Stockhausen's work. > 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. Yes, in a certain way, in rap music. Except for that, I think that people like Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela are more commonly associated with breaking down racial barriers than Kraftwerk. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:07:45 +0100 >>between 14.00 and 15.30 there will be a live performance by him of course I intend Roma-Berlin time, that is GMT+1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:33:56 +0100 >BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" >and a song like "The Model" ? are you joking jbv or is this a retorical question? bg is just a monstruos songs build up to screw the brain of the adolescents with false, not virtual, landscapes. is unnatural and dangerous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 08 Feb 1998 19:05:59 +0100 >Let's play a game and try and think of all the merchandizing products that >could be made available if someone were to have carte blanche to create >Kraftwerk collectibles. (I'm not saying this is a good or bad idea, just >an idea). Here's my start: no no, it's a good idea... >Kraftwerk Calculator well, we had that, it seem. >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) real size, to the joy of ROBOT... :-) >Kraftwerk Bicycle very good one. and a full line of Kraftwerk bycicle garments and a blue-white-red (or fluorescent like the famous Neonlight single?) bycicle helmet. >Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) again, see ROBOT's Kraftwerk page... :-) >Please add your own ten ideas! well, of course red shirt/black tie (for those who know/like Dilbert comic, his uplifting tie is for sale... check www.unitedmedia.com for Dilbert strips and merchandise), and black (or was it dark grey?) sweaters, the ones with high collar a kind listie told me the name in english and that they wore in pre-Tribal Gathering concerts. then Kraftwerk music keyboards. some Kraftwerk set of ttf fonts. the big "music symbol" (a quaver? a bischrome?) pin that Florian wear on TEE cover, and the Kraftwerk black fur collar coat. Kraftwerk tours on TEE, the train, with special issued tickets. Kraftwerk radio tuner as in Radioactivity. Kraftwerk wooden toy-blocks to build images like constructivists ones in Man Machine. the Kraftwerk telephone, of course! with an answering machine that say "the number you've dialed is wrong... please check and call again...", or a full set of answering machine themes built with Kraftwerk sampling. Kraftwerk themed cards for birthdays, the one that you open and they start playng a tune. the four plexiglass boxes with the four Kraftwerk names built with a neon tube, to be used as postmodern lamps in designer houses. a line of electric torches or energy saving bulb light branded something after Neon Lights. a special lines of ananas or ananas juice branded something like "the original ananas from Ananas Symphonie". eggs sold in heavy card boxes, stressing on the facts that is the same card boxes used in the wall of the back cover of R&F album. Kraftwerk inspired electronic circuitery kits, the one we built when we were young... Kraftwerk branded antigas masks. "Man Machine" branded lipstick and cosmetic powder, only for soldier of course. of course a lamp made with the traffic cones (well, I and a frien actually made ourselves a couple of that...). Kraftwerk playing cards. here we could have the original four faces instead of hearts, diamond, clubs, spades, ot their faces for K, Q, J, A. post-TG Kraftwerk techno sunglasses and the ultimate... a new Kraftwerk album... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:44:02 +0100 >Klaus - you have previously modified quotes to humiliate list subscribers this Klaus guy... if you look at his picture he seem to be a nice guy, while in fact is such an aggressive beserker... :-))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Influnced by KRAFTWERK? Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:27:02 +0100 Just as short introduction, I'd like to you remind you that the original discussion was about CW and its possible influence on other musicians.=20 But I have the feeling that this discussion has drifted to the KW influence in a more general way... PRODUKT01@aol.com wrote: >=20 > Autechre on Kraftwerk > (A) > http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/newsE/9705/ae/ > QFWhat are your 5 favorit albums? > SBor now--- ,Tod Dockstader - Water Music,Coil - Love's Secret > Domain,Kraftwerk - Computer World,Public Enemy - Yo Bum Rush The > Show,808 State - Newbuild > =3D=3D > (B) > Autechre picked the following Top 10 tracks for SPEX (A German magazine= I > think) back in March > kraftwerk it's more fun to compute > There's nothing to be said about kraftwerk which hasn't already been sa= id > before. but even if we had to do a top ten every month, this track woul= d > always be in it. Fine. But at the official WARP site http://www.warp-net.com/warp/file/autechre.html you can also read : "Within twelve months, they found themselves alongside such luminaries as The Black Dog and Aphex Twin on the seminal Artificial Intelligence compilation, released towards the end of 1992. Even amidst such distinguished company, however, Sean and Rob stood out. Side-stepping such traditional influences as Kraftwerk, Detroit and Eno, and name checking instead Mantronix, Afrika Bambaata and the Miami Bass=20 scene, their two tracks, The Egg and Crystel, seemed to contain no=20 external reference points whatsoever." > =3D=3D > (C) > http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ > Bochum Welt( Gianluigi Di Constanzo) on KRAFTWERK > =84I was very interested in the electronic > movement of the 70s. Ralf Hutter, Florian > Schneider, Brian Eno, Sakamoto, etc. I > wasn=92t interested in the Techno scene in the > mid 80s. Not until I heard stuff from Aphex > Twin. I think he made the best music I had ever heard" > =3D > (D) > http://www.xnet.com/~jjdavis/bw/ > Q: What sorts of electronic music > inspire you? A: I am strongly interested in > the electronic movement in the 70's in > Duesseldorf: Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider, > =3D Bochum Welt ? Who ? > (E) > Alain Wilder >=20 > NEW KRAFTWER? > http://www.club-internet.fr/depechemode/news/ > Attendez-vous toujours la sortie du nouvel > album de Kraftwerk? >=20 > (sourire)Je pense que ce sera tr=E8s > passionnant de voir ce que Kraftwerk a > comme possibilit=E9 pour rester innovateur.=20 (snip) Depeche Mode : see below (under Suicide) > (F) > Aphex Twin > >From the IDM comp Warp. > what are you infunces ? > RDJ: Computer world. > =3D Fine. Actually, I read on another list (AH I think) that CW was the 1st synth album and came across but denied any influence of it on his music. However, that was 2nd info. I consider your quote (even if the exact reference is missing) as 1st hand info. HOWEVER, at the official WARP site, you can also read the following : http://www.warp-net.com/warp/file/aphex.html "In the past the phenomenon of Richard D. James has been compared to James Joyce, Brian Eno, Debussy, Throbbing Gristle, Paul Shutze,=20 Gustav Holst, Wagon Christ, Peter Greenaway, Erik Satie, 4 Hero,=20 Mantronix, Jeoff Koons, Mantovani, Derrick May, Damien Hirst, Omni Trio, Ken Ishii, Mikey Nyman, Phil Glass, Derek Jarman, Mouse On Mars,=20 Panasonic, Mark Rothko, Ennio Morricone, Jimi Tenor, Wish Mountain,=20 Barnett Newmann, Sabres of Paradise, Photek, Kraftwerk, John Cage,=20 My Bloody Valentine, Main, Thomas Koner, Avro Part, Karlheinz=20 Stockhausen, Joe Bach, Marcel Duchamp, Holger Czukay, Jamiroquai*,=20 Wagner, Mozart, Turner, a weird beard Cornish twat, Jimmy Cauty's=20 bowels and the Clangers.=20 In the future everything else'll be compared to him. " No further comment... > (G) > some recent interview ? > Bernard Sumner on what Influnced Ian Curtis and he > Ian would play kraftwerk before we took the stage The Man Machine > this had a great impact on the whole sound/production with Martin Hanne= tt and > later with New Order > =3D Yes, at http://www.roughguides.com/rock/entries/JOY_DIVISION.html , you can read : "Curtis's influence over the band's change in direction is undeniable. As Sumner once told Paul Morley: 'Ian used to play Kraftwerk records to=20 us, saying "listen to this, this is something new, something fantastic." Maybe he knew and maybe he was showing us the way." From the above, it's easy to understand that, since Curtis died in=20 may 80, he could hardly have played CW to the other folks. And BTW : Curtis joined the band in 77. So he might have played KW to the others in 77/78. Funny Brittons : KW as "something new" in 77 ! Always up to date, eh ? > (H) > an interview from 83 read on the net location is unknown at the moment = : ( > Klaus Schulze > Q.What are you playing in the studio lately > KS Computer World non stop You just can't be serious, eh ? Schulze influenced by CW ? It's like saying : Mc Cartney influenced by K. Richards... It simply doesn't make any sense... > (I)? > I also recall Alan Veaga kissing R&F butt sometime in 94/95 Niet. Vega's position has always remained clear and identical : he and M. Rev (aka Suicide), along with KW (since they both started roughly at the same time) were the true and only creators of the=20 synth-pop sound (whatever you call it) and the first ones to use drum machines on stage. Everything that came after (DM, Soft Cell and the like) was pure rip-off of their original work. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:40:25 +0100 jbv wrote : > >BTW, is there any major / noticeable difference between "Barbie Girl" > >and a song like "The Model" ? lbo wrote: > > are you joking jbv or is this a retorical question? "Rethorical" I don't know, but it was a real question : forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:44:30 EST >> You've pretended that they stated that Kraftwerk is the second >>most influential band in contemporary music, while they actually >>wrote that their influence in pop music is comparable to the Beatles.< >The underlying assumption is, "The Beatles WERE the most influential band in >contemporary music". I think a more accurate way to prove your point, mode, would be to correctly quote the article, not write what you think it's assumption was. >>The following names are a few examples of Germans (or >>people who lived in Germany) being active as pioneers in the field of >The total influence on popular German culture of all the obscure names you >mentioned was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their own. It was >only later that German culture again became acceptable and defined. This process >was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. Obscure? I've seen most of those names associated with electronic music in books that I've read...... >Your maths is rather weak, I've actually provided 2 examples and will provide >more if necessary. The 2 are that: >1) Kraftwerk have had a major influence on contemporary German culture. >Making it acceptable and mainstream. Please give me some examples. I'm very curious how you think they have done that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:57:26 +0500 On 08-Feb-98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >send it to the Babel Fish! always good for a laugh... ...especially if you translate the translation back again! :-D Fun for the whole family, and total strangers too. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 19:09:42 GMT jbv wrote: >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? > apart from one being shite euro-techno? hmmm....... I'll leave yaz to guess which one I mean. ciao, Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! #Kraftwerk IRC homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 14:00:04 +0500 >> >>Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines Stckes durch die >>[snip] >> >>someone willing to translate ?! ;) P.S.-- I think 'Bedeutungsuzuammenhang' means 'shoe', but I could be wrong... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 11:19:18 -0800 On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 **************** writes: > >There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = >development of electronic music. guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in our ongoing tally... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotic(a) Date: 08 Feb 1998 14:32:42 EST In a message dated 2/8/98 7:20:18 PM, you wrote: <> What about Pauline Oliveros? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:25:26 -0000 Hey why not add to the list of possible new merchanise items a new CD Now I realise that it is radical thought so probably very unlikely to happen but you never know....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:06:40 +0100 jbv wrote: > > >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on > >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? > > Jules Seifert wrote: > apart from one being shite euro-techno? hmmm....... > > I'll leave yaz to guess which one I mean. > OK, Jules, I see your point. But you still don't answer the question... Apart from extra-musical considerations, what are the big differences between both songs ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:08:43 +0100 mode.123@virgin.net writes: > > > >There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = > >development of electronic music. Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... > > responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in > our ongoing tally... How can you guys be so illiterate ? What about Wendy Carlos ? Pauline Oliveiros ? Laurie Spiegel ? Eliane Radigue ? And also : Annea Lockwood, Ruth Anderson, Megan Roberts... Actually, I have a vinyl album from circa 77/78 featuring works by these persons (except Carlos and radigue), but including 2 pieces of L. Anderson (while the others have only one, but a pretty long one for most of them, while L.A.'s pieces are quite short), as well as a piece by Johanna M. Beyer recorded in 1938 ! And last but not least, it was the 1st time I heard of L.A. and it was a few years before "O Superman". jbv PS there's a general tendency on this list, as on many others, to consider that since you haven't heard of an artist, it's just like this artists never existed... I guess most of you never heard the above names before (apart from W. Carlos, of course)... So, will you jump to the conclusion that they haven't influenced emusic as much as DM ? Or may be do you want to limit this topic to "electronica" ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:09:38 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:19:18 -0800 Jean-Luc Turbo writes: > >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:57:59 -0800 **************** > >writes: >> >>There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = >>development of electronic music. > >guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... > >responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in >our ongoing tally... > granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... tom w np: deiheim/horowitz - majoun _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:19:27 +0100 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > > granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a > couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... > Susan Deihim ? Really ? I thought she was just a singer, even if she's been involved in various albums, projects and live acts with Horowitz... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:21:31 +0100 God damn ! I forgot Marina LaPalma ! My true and sincere apologies... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:26:07 +0100 Hey, What about Yoko Ono ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:30:40 +0100 jbv wrote: > > Actually, I have a vinyl album from circa 77/78 featuring works by > these persons (except Carlos and radigue), Check at www.electronicmusic.com/features/reviews/music/womeninemusic.html especially the first paragraph... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:34:51 -0800 jbv wrote: > > Hey, > > What about Yoko Ono ? You CAN'T be serious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) cd's 4 sale Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:58:25 +0100 "Lebendige Menschen", Tribal Gathering '97 + bonus $20 "ZKM" Karlsruhe 1997 + bonus 2CD $40 "Lichtgestalten" Linz 1997 + bonus(limited numbered to 500) $40 + shipping costs. e-mail me privately if you're interested. -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:44:55 +0100 jbv wrote: > > > > Hey, > > > > What about Yoko Ono ? > Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > You CAN'T be serious. Do you mean in general, or on THAT specific topic ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dock" Subject: (kw) KW Rhythm Date: 07 Feb 1998 20:03:00 +0100 And now for something completely different. Am I the only one here who are really impressed with the drums etc in KW music? Each and every song has it´s own unique rhythm. the other instrument incorporates. It´s quite obvious when you listen especially to numbers, boing boom tchack (my wife hates this!), and TEE. Very minimalistic and rhythmic music. Some friends of mine who also play drums /percussion like KW settings even if they don´t like their music. The same thing do I think also works for Prodigy (latest album). I can find very KW sound and rhythms there. Much more than in other lame/pale copycatband. D& # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Survey & other stuff.... Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:54:18 -0800 > From: angela > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Survey > Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 8:36 AM > > Hello. I am from the state of Arkansas -(SNIP)- So's Bill Clinton!*HeeHee*! Look out.... > Oh well, this is probably more than any of > you wanted to know, but it makes me feel better. Sorry : -) > Heather D. -------- *GREET.INGS*! I enjoyed your post- no, it wasn't too long or boring at all. It's nice to know details about other people on the List! Welcome also to Patrick S. Daly and all other NewComers! btw: I checked Patrick's page about his 80's style SynthPoP unit- KooL! Nice SoundBytes! for the "Survey" record: ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield FemBOT, Date of Manufacture: 4/29/57 EUREKA! California. -(SOGGY Redwood Country)- No "Occupation" -(I'm on disability for being "bi-polar")-, but, I am a skilled Artist/Draftsman. I love KW and STAR TREK and ALL kinds of MusiK & SCI-FI, Science & Technology, Critters & Nature, UFO's Paranormal StuFF, etc. Ofcourse, KW is the biggest thing in my life. Ah, sweet destiny.... Other Stuff: Thanks to 'mode.123' for the TOO kind words about my HomePage.*BLUSH*. Gawrsh- I need to twist hubby's arm to help me UPdate a few of the Links, and I gotta do a Valentine's Day Card. Plus I nEEd to add TREK stuff, not just Links to all the gillions of TREK Sites that are already out there. -(Someone else is already doing SEV TREK Cartoons: . The style is similar to Matt Gröning's The Simpsons. How could I possibly top THAT?*HeeHee! I wanna join the BORG Collective!)- Anyways, I intend to keep my WebSite SIMPLE so it's easily accessible with QUICK download time. -(Check my BioSynThesis for details regarding my ROBOTiK Existence.)- Please visit! ThanX! ps: Konnichiwa to all of our Friends in Japan! I LOVED the Olympics Opening Ceremonies in Nagano- it was so beautiful! I'm fascinated by Nagano's Ancient History as a Spiritual Center. I wish Ralf & Florian would join the German Cycling Team for the Summer games. -(Um, they DO have Cycling in the Summer Olympics, don't they?)- If not, they should do the Tour de France, for sure! :] ROBOSMILEY =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ -(HomePage)- ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 16:13:37 -0800 jbv wrote: > > jbv wrote: > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > What about Yoko Ono ? > > > > Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > > > You CAN'T be serious. > > Do you mean in general, or on THAT specific topic ? > Just about Yoko Ono. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 13:14:26 -0800 OOPS! I forgot to mention.... Women in Electronica: Clara Rockmore- Thereminist Extraordinaire! 1930's, I think...? btw: Wendy Carlos used to be Walter when Switched-On BACH came out. Does that count?? That's just a conversational "aside". Who cares about "gender identity"? -(It's PERSONAL, and I totally respect Wendy- and I still have a crush on her. A truly beautiful person!)- Male OR female, I still LOVE the MusiK!! KW Merchandise? Yeah- Life-Sized Fully FunKtional ROBOTS!! Walk in the room and they start playing tunes! KooL! Okay- I think I covered everything I missed in my last post. Not to stray off-topic, but, I really AM impressed with the Olympics in Nagano. VERY nice! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:15:00 +0100 >>1) Where from? > Born in Mannheim, south of Germany, but lived in D=FCsseldorf, now in Cologne (since last year), not too far away from D=FCsseldorf=20 >>2) Occupation? > I study computer science and business computing, and I work at the German aerospace research establishment at the high-performance computing department. >>3) Age? > 26 (1/25/72) Thomas p.s.: I went some days ago through something like an international studio list index, and i found another Kling-Klang Studio in Denmark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:05:45 +0500 On 09-Feb-98, ROBOT wrote: >OOPS! I forgot to mention.... >Women in Electronica: >Clara Rockmore- Thereminist Extraordinaire! 1930's, I think...? I think so-- I seem to recall her being mentioned on a few Web pages. Speaking of Gals Wit Synths, has anyone heard from Tara Cross or Lauri Paisley lately? They were very active up to the mid-80s, but they seem to have quieted down lately. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW Rhythm Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:20:36 +0500 On 08-Feb-98, dock wrote: >And now for something completely different. >Am I the only one here who are really impressed with the drums etc in KW >music? I was very surprised with the percussion on 'Boing Boom Tschak', because it seemed so much heavier than their usual 'kit'. The same with 'The Telephone Call'. I originally had trouble playing the vinyl version of TEE because it skipped all the time-- the needle would literally jump out of the grooves! That filter-sweep sound ('Tshhyoop', it goes) you hear on 'Techno Pop' has become a real standard; everyone seems to be using it these days... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:01:47 -0800 jbv wrote: >What about Wendy Carlos ? Pauline Oliveiros ? Laurie Spiegel ? Eliane Radigue ? Or may be do you want to limit this topic to "electronica" ?< Yes jbv, but as a sophisticated and civilised French gent maybe you could tell us whether any of the ladies you mention are presentable? mode.123 PS: I used the word "electrotica", it was meant to be a cross between erotica and electronic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:03:51 -0800 jbv wrote:- >But you still don't answer the question... Apart from extra-musical considerations, what are the big differences between both songs ?< jbv - Since you keep asking the same question why don't you put us out of our misery and provide the answer yourself. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:20:59 +0100 **************** wrote: > > jbv - Since you keep asking the same question why don't you put us out of our misery and provide the answer yourself. > > mode.123 > What makes you think I have an answer for every question ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:30:45 +0000 What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. Cheers, Chris Lee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:26:03 -0800 >"Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in=20 >opposite to Kraftwerk... Being quoted in books does not necessarily mean much. Most of the worlds = population is illiterate but not deaf.=20 >> was a FRACTION of that exerted by The Beatles on their=20 >> own. >In terms of commercial success maybe, in terms of musical influences=20 >hardly. Your demeaning attitude towards commercial success is very pompous.=20 >> It was only later that German culture again became acceptable and >> defined. This process was defined by the likes of Kraftwerk. >Now that statement is a bit strong, isn't it? :-) =09 I apologise if you interpreted this as a slur towards Germany and = Germans; this was not intentional. My understanding is that most Germans = in the 1950's and 1960s were embarassed about the atrocites that Germany = had committed during the 1930's and 1940's. Consequently, they looked = towards American and British culture. It was only in the late 1960's and = 1970's that the liberal post war German economic model was able to = synergise with contemporary German culture represented significantly by = Kraftwerk. >> 2) Kraftwerk have broken down racial barriers. >Yes, in a certain way, in rap music. >Except for that, I think that people like Martin Luther King or=20 >Nelson Mandela are more commonly associated with breaking down=20 >racial barriers than Kraftwerk. I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been = influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:42:21 +0100 >1) Where from? Upplands V=E4sby just outside Stockholm, Sweden >2) Occupation? Currently working student. (a break in the studies to raise funds for rec= ord purchasing!) >3) Age? 21 (b. 1976) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) A friend of mine found this mention of Kraftwerk in a book. Sorry if this has already been posted. I have a bad memory for these things. The rest of my message is after the article. ----------8<------------8<---------------8<-------------- The New Rolling Stone Record Guide edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson 0-394-72107-1 KRAFTWERK * * * * Autobahn / Mer. (1975) * * * Radio-Activity / Cap. (1975) * * * Trans-Europe Express / Cap. (1977) * * * Man-Machine / Cap. (1978) * * * Computer World / War. (1981) This German band didn't invent the synthesizer, but Autobahn, a sonic portrait of a drive along the world's second most famous roadway (after Route 66), went a long way towards popularizing the instrument. Complete with whooshes resembling passing autos, repeated refrains and droning choruses, "Autobahn" is a 22-minute composition that encapsulates the hypnotic redundancy of a twelve-hour drive. Valuable as both a musical oddity and background music for watching tropical fish sleep. The other albums repeat the latter's musical themes with varying motifs, and are hence unnecessary. -- A. N. ----------8<------------8<---------------8<-------------- Me again. I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Garner Subject: (kw) CD's FS/Trade Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:46:03 +0000 I have the following CD's to sell or trade. Sale prices ar $12 or 8 GBP. Please e-mail me privately if interested: David Sylvian - Gone To Earth Best Before - The End Of The World Biosphere - Substrata Falconer - Falconer Franke, Chris - Babylon 5 Franke, Chris - Klemania Franke, Chris - Pacific Coast Highway Future Sound Of London - Dead Cities (Ltd Ed'n Box Set with Book) Habes, Tom - The Other Side Haslinger , Paul - World Without Rules Inoue, Makoto - Chronology 2 Klamt, Greg - Fluxus Quo Quasar, Frank - Atmos Six & More - Blue Q Software - The Art Of Perfume Vietgrove - Orbis Tertius Williams, Bekki - Elysian Fields Williams, Bekki - Shadow Of The Wind You - Era Box Set (5CD's) Kitaro: An Enchanted Evening Cirque Ingenue Daichi - From The Full Moon Story Heaven & Earth Ki Kojiki Mandala Oasis Peace On Earth Silk Road Suite - Remastered Edition Silver Cloud Tunhuang - Remastered Edition Live In America The World Of Kitaro - by the London National Philharmonic Orchestra Astralasia - Pitched Up At The Rdge Of Reality Bainbridge, Harvey - Red Shift Bleep & Booster - The World Of Bleep & Booster Boots, Ron - Currents Boots, Ron & Ian Boddy - Phase 3 Code - The Arechitect Corporation - Breed David Devant & His Spirit Wife - Work, Lovelife, Miscellanneous Downes, Geoff - Vox Humana Echo & The Bunnymen - Evergreen Hannant, Beaumont - Sculptured Kennedy, Brian - Great War Of Words Lanvall - Auramony (featuring Gandalf) Lynne - Witchwood Miracle Mile, The - Bicycle Thieves (2CD) Moria Falls - The Long Goodbye Morrison, Van - Live In San Francisco Rhythm & Irrelevance - #9 Dreams (recycle Or Die Label) Schonning, Klaus - Lydglimt Schonning, Klaus - Nasavu Schonning, Klaus - Cyclus Schonning, Klaus - Locrian Arabesque Seahorses, The - Do It Yourself Sedona - Natural Colours - (IC Label) Symbian - The Skywatcher (IC Label) Symbian - No Man's Land (IC Label) Teenage Fan Club - Songs From Northern Britain Various Artists - LA Confidential Chapter 2 (Promo) (featuring Laurent Garnier, St Germain, Nova Nova,. Scan X, Feedback, Iberian) Various Artists - One World, One Voice Various Artists - Sequences Magazine 14, 15,16,17,18 Various Artists - Some Music Is Private Music (Featuring Patrick O' Hearn, Yanni, Leo Kottke, Eddie Jobson) Various Artists - Trance Pacific Express (Australian Trance Compilation) (2CD) Von Daniken - New Worlds Whitlan, Stephan - Map Reference Whitlan, Stephan - Inertial Moments (Ltd Numbered Edition -36 of 100) Wright, David - Live At The London Planetarium -- Andy Garner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) popular culture was: The Sunday Times quote Date: 09 Feb 1998 00:16:59 +0100 well, what we have here is a problem of intercultural communication and = a=20 problem in defining popular and general (canonised ?!) culture.... it seams clear to me, that german culture in general, and KW as a very=20 special part of it, is seen in a completely different way outside of the = german cultural context than inside of it. it's quite interesting to see how non-german people see, feel, and = reciepe=20 (!?) KW. maybe for some of them KW represents german culture. but actually KW is just a part of germany's *popular* culture, although = KW=20 entered the canon of germany's general culture (see schneider becoming=20 professor at ZKM; considering KW as a whole artistic concept) BUT it would be very exaggerated to consider that KW *defined* germany's = post ww II culture. sure, KW had a major impact on popular culture,=20 especially on music. but still they are just a band, that influenced later generations of=20 musicans in the whole world. that's what IMHO is most fascinating about = KW.=20 they had such a strong impact on popular music: their sound went over to the us and became a totaly different meaning = when=20 it was played by africa bambaata and other true-school heroes back in = the=20 early 80's. same thing with the detroit techno movement. their djs=20 re-evaluated KW and brought it finally back to germany.... i think, today german KW-fans are diveded into two different parties. = the=20 ones see KW as the revolutionary post-rock-art band from the 70's and = the=20 other party sees KW as forerunners "godfathers" of the techno and=20 dance-thing. i think, that KW became very aware of their impact on popular techno and = dance-music last year. IMHO they feel very close to that scene. playing = at=20 tribal gathering having daft punk and laurent garnier as support-act = proves=20 this... that's what i think, regards, andreas ps: i hate not to be able to express myself the way i want to. i am not=20 used to write in english. i hope you see what i mean anyway :) ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) autobahn Date: 09 Feb 1998 00:22:49 +0100 i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the=20 americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a=20 parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". can someone confirm this ?! *serious* .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ra [SMTP:lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca] Gesendet am: Sonntag, 8. Februar 1998 23:50 An: Kraftwerk Mailing List Betreff: (kw) KW mention I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The = above article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernesto Perez Subject: (kw) O Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:21:58 +0000 lbo@iol.it wrote: > > > original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had > who is Bobby > O? > New York producer responsible for other acts like the Flirts and Divine. ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Influences (was: RE: (kw) The Sunday Times quote) Date: 09 Feb 1998 01:27:50 +0000 > >"Obscure" names you'll find in most books about electronic music - in > >opposite to Kraftwerk... > > Being quoted in books does not necessarily mean much. Correct, being quoted in single books doesn't necessarily mean much. Being praised in many books, written by experts in the field of electronic music usually means a lot. > Your demeaning attitude towards commercial success is very pompous. There's nothing wrong with commercial success. But if commercial success would automatically mean influence, the Spice Girls would be more influential than Kraftwerk. > My understanding is that most Germans in the 1950's and 1960s were > embarassed about the atrocites that Germany had committed during the > 1930's and 1940's. Consequently, they looked towards American and British > culture. This may make sense for certain aspects of everyday culture ("Coca-Colanisation"), but it is hardly true for German culture in general, especially not in Kraftwerk's field, the field of electronic music. The NWDR studios in Koeln were already founded in 1954. > It was only in the late 1960's and 1970's that the liberal post war German > economic model was able to synergise with contemporary German culture This process actually happened during the 1950's, the "Wirtschaftswunder" era. > I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been > influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. How many? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn Date: 08 Feb 1998 17:24:33 -0700 i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". can someone confirm this ?! *serious* .as ???? What?? It isn't "The fun, fun, fun of the Autobahn?!" heehee :) That's what I used to think it was.. of course, I think KW knows a lot about speech and speech patterns between languages and does this on purpose. That's why it's fun to invent new words for the songs.. I'm still trying to figure out "The Robots" but that's the fun part.. it makes you listen each time. Is it just me.. or is "The Mix" speech really bad? That was my first album.. couldn't understand a lot of it until I got the originals. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:01:20 -0800 Chris Lee wrote: > > What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly > opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. And now AON gets sampled . . . e.g., Prodigy uses that "Hey!" from Close to the Edit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:02:14 -0800 > I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. Actually, there's a lot of truth to that: "Tour de France." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:05:11 -0800 > were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes > Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. Ah c'mon. It's not my favorite KW, but that statement is just silly. > > I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? I like the trancey-ness of it. It's very pleasant to listen to. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Sunday Times quote Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:14:06 EST On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:26:03 -0800 **************** writes: > >> > My understanding is that most Germans = >in the 1950's and 1960s were embarassed about the atrocites that >Germany = >had committed during the 1930's and 1940's when all else fails, bring up the "atrocities"....u really are one warped son of a bitch... >I think you may find black kids in American ghettos who have been = >influenced more by Kraftwerk than by either Nelson Mandela of MLK. > please...shut the fuck up...u have absolutely no clue....u know who influences black kids? michael jordan! stop attempting to sociologize america would you... christ almighty tom w np: death cube k - disembodied > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:33:54 +0500 >> were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >> released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. HUHHH?? You mean they were gonna release something else? -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LeeLo Subject: (kw) hello list Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) Hey list...I am a new member....I am from america...anyone else from america on list? any computer science majors like myself?... -leelo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 09 Feb 1998 03:28:55 +0100 >>guess u never heard of laurie anderson.... >> >>responding: well, there's one...I would still define that as "few" in >>our ongoing tally... >> > >granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: heres a >couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... and if you think about the male/female ratio in general music, I mean composers not just singers, they seem to be even higher than average. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 03:49:13 +0100 >p.s.: I went some days ago through something like an international >studio list index, and i found another Kling-Klang Studio in Denmark no, it's because these stories of the Roskilde concerts seem to be true... they are starting to move it earlier... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aqua-Jarre/Kraftwerk Date: 09 Feb 1998 03:14:12 +0100 >forget for a minute everything you know about KW & Aqua, and focuse on >the songs. Is there any big difference between them ? well, are you talking about this barbie girl song that impest radios? yes, sure. barbie girl is a false song, maliciously false, like almost everything from mainstream music for the stupid one who listen to it like they watch television. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 03:59:20 +0100 >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. hey, try to follow the line of Kraftwerk from the beginning and you'll see that it's very coherent. maybe you can think about them starting from CW and doing nothing else before, but if you track them backward, as I did because I knew them from Radioactivity, you'll discover a lot of brilliant things. >> I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >> Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? well, i's the concept... it's a trip, a real trip... all these people singing about lsd trip and then those guys singing about a car trip but in such way... so spacious... long, elegant sounds... always polite and then so strong, so evocative... yes, that's another orgasmic experience. and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect soundtrack for a nice ride. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:33:58 +0500 On 09-Feb-98, lbo wrote: >and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect >soundtrack for a nice ride. Or for a drive on a clear morning on Interstate 84 here in the US... The Interstates are a lot like the Autobahnen, except that we have a speed limit-- or so they say. It depends on who you talk to. ;-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:53:50 -0800 Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The >above >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I >were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? Jean-Luc Turbo responding: I actually have to admit I agree to a degree (oooh nice rhyme...). I've never understood the big deal with Autobahn. It never did much for me. I played it the other night after having not for probably ten years and it's still cheesey IMHO. However, Ra, I am wondering why you would think, "as a member of KW" no less, that you'd want to stop a release of something "you" created??? Obviously our pals at Kling Klang liked it enough to send it our way. They probably still like it. Also, you know you're asking for a freaking cyberbruisin' when you make statments like, "The way I see it, someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk." Ra! Ease up on the main thrusters. Those kind of statements and that kind of attitude don't lend themselves to a mature discussion of KW. I'm sure a bunch of our pals like Autobahn for some very good reasons (i.e.- "I like the way it sounds," "I like the way it makes me feel," or if you're ROBOT, "I like the way it makes my speakers shake," etc.). After telling your fellow KW friends, who happen to like Autobahn by the way, that if they like Autobahn then they can't possibly like KW, you then appeal to them to tell you why. You've already put them on the defense!! Now some great questions come to mind pertaining to your age and maturity, but I'm not going to ask them. I just want to make a request: please discuss your differences of opinion with respect for yourself and for all it pertains to. Then you'll get what I hope is what you really want: some good arguements in favor of a KW track called Autobahn that neither you nor myself are especially fond of. The way you've propositioned the question above, it seems your intent is to assert your "KW musical superiority". Well, if that's the way you want it, so be it. I apologize for placing this long post publicly, however, as of late it seems a number of us have been a little on the disrespectful side regarding differences of opinion. I'd like this to be an environment where we can have disagreements, ask silly questions, and basically have a cybercommunity where we know that at least here, we're respected and safe. Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net "Kindness it is that brings forth kindness always" --Sophocles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:58:34 EST On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:26:30 -0800 Fred Becker writes: >Kraftwerk Hallmark Ornament (like the Beatles one if you've seen it) >Kraftwerk Metal Lunchbox (classic retro) >Kraftwerk Calculator >Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) >Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) >Kraftwerk Coins/Stamps/Postcards >Kraftwerk Bicycle >Kraftwerk CD Box (to hold CD's) >Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) > >Please add your own ten ideas! Here are the ones I can think of: 1) Kraftwerk neon sign 2) Kraftwerk shortwave radio 3) Kraftwerk mannequins (with or without robotics) 4) Kraftwerk figurines (like Hummels, etc...) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 At 03:49 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? If you read between the lines, it doesn't exactly sound to me like they're being very kind to "Autobahn": "Valuable as both a musical oddity and background music for watching tropical fish sleep" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, to my ears. >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I >were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being >released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes >Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. Well, I like "Autobahn." I also like pretty much everything Kraftwerk has done since "Autobahn," too (Even "Electric Cafe" and "The Mix," for God's sake). >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? Both "Autobahn" and "Trans Europe Express," come across to me in the nature of tone poems. Kraftwerk has managed in those two works to capture some of the essential feeling of a long car ride, and of train travel. They work, at least for me. "Autobahn" works so well on that level, that whenever I take a long car trip (fairly frequently, since I do a bit of traveling for business) the first thing I do as I pull on the interstate (sort of the American version of the autobahn, but, alas with speed limits. . . ) is pop "Autobahn" in the tape deck and crank it up. Interestingly enough, it was "Autobahn" which (fairly recently--within the past eight months or so) brought me into the fold of Kraftwerk fandom. Last year I bought a new Volkswagen (GTI-VR6, in case anyone's interested). My best friend, who's a passionate motorhead, decided to celebrate the occasion by putting together and giving me a tape of "German driving music": all the music on the tape was either of German composition or by German artists. When he gave me the tape, I thought for sure that one of the pieces of music on it would be "Autobahn." It had to be there; even though I hadn't heard "Autobahn" for a very long time (possibly not since shortly after it's U.S. release in '75), I knew instinctively that it was the quintessential German driving song, and thus had to be prominently featured on this tape. Alas, it wasn't. And when I discovered it wasn't, I simply *had* to have a recording of "Autobahn." I finally found it (A local record chain had a copy of "The Mix"), and while I bought it for "Autobahn," the rest of the album dragged me happily into the Kraftwerk phenomenon. . . . Best regards, Len "all I need is to buy 'Radioactivity' to complete the collection" Cleavelin -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:48:20 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the > americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a > parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". > can someone confirm this ?! > *serious* I can't confirm it, but that's part of the reason I don't like it. It sounds way too much like the Beach Boys. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:22:57 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" writes: > > My >best friend, who's a passionate motorhead, decided to celebrate the >occasion >by putting together and giving me a tape of "German driving music": >all the >music on the tape was either of German composition or by German >artists. curious: what was on the tape? tom w np: trio - dadada _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:52:12 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > > released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes > > Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. > > Ah c'mon. It's not my favorite KW, but that statement is just silly. That didn't come out quite the way I meant it. What I meant was, Autobahn sounds so much NOT like KW that I would expect people who like it not to like the rest of KW music. Such people would probably be Beach Boys fans. :) > > I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > > Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > I like the trancey-ness of it. It's very pleasant to listen to. I suppose that could be said for the long version on the Autobahn album. Perhaps I'd like it more if I understood German and/or had been on the real autobahn. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:53:09 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Christopher Gross wrote: > >> were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being > >> released. > > HUHHH?? You mean they were gonna release something else? I have no idea. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:58:35 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, lbo wrote: > >> Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. > > hey, try to follow the line of Kraftwerk from the beginning and you'll see > that it's very coherent. maybe you can think about them starting from CW > and doing nothing else before, but if you track them backward, as I did > because I knew them from Radioactivity, you'll discover a lot of brilliant > things. I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. I like the stuff on KW1 and KW2 and R&F. I *hate* Autobahn. > >> I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > >> Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > well, i's the concept... it's a trip, a real trip... all these people > singing about lsd trip and then those guys singing about a car trip but in > such way... so spacious... long, elegant sounds... always polite and then > so strong, so evocative... yes, that's another orgasmic experience. Are you a music reviewer by any chance? > and I don't know if you ride bikes. I do and this is the perfect > soundtrack for a nice ride. I do, and I suppose you're right. I think it would be more appropriate for a drive in a quiet car, though. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: (kw) question Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:01:25 -0800 I'm new to this list, so if you all have discussed this before, I apologize. Anyway, I have a question: A couple of years back a cd came out called "Trance Europe Express" that was a bunch of different bands doing KW songs. I believe Laibach was one of the bands. Has anyone hear heard that cd? Is it worth getting? Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:05:52 -0800 > I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. What do you mean EVEN the other ones on the Autobahn album?! "Kometenmelodie 2" is one of my all-time favorite KW songs! Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick S. Daly" Subject: Re: (kw) autobahn Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:06:51 -0800 Ra wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Andreas Schepers wrote: > > > i was recently reading that autobahn went no. 1 in the us, because the > > americans thought that "wir fahrn, fahrn, fahrn auf der autobahn" was a > > parody of beach boys "fun, fun, fun". > > can someone confirm this ?! > > *serious* > > I can't confirm it, but that's part of the reason I don't like it. It > sounds way too much like the Beach Boys. > Speaking of which, Carl Wilson just died. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:13:35 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Jean-Luc Turbo wrote: > However, Ra, I am wondering why you would think, "as a member of KW" no > less, that you'd want to stop a release of something "you" created??? Bad phrasing on my part, perhaps. I was trying to say that is a song I wish they had never made. > Obviously our pals at Kling Klang liked it enough to send it our way. There's so much we'll never know about what how our favorite robots made out favorite music. :( > They probably still like it. Also, you know you're asking for a > freaking cyberbruisin' when you make statments like, "The way I see it, > someone who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk." Ra! Ease up on the > main thrusters. Those kind of statements and that kind of attitude > don't lend themselves to a mature discussion of KW. I tried to make it clear that I was just stating my opinion, and I certainly wasn't attacking anyone. Sorry to anyone who took it the wrong way. > I'm sure a bunch of > our pals like Autobahn for some very good reasons (i.e.- "I like the way > it sounds," "I like the way it makes me feel," or if you're ROBOT, "I > like the way it makes my speakers shake," etc.). After telling your Actually, I was expecting most people to say "personal taste" rather than giving a specific reason. Any answer is good. > Now some > great questions come to mind pertaining to your age and maturity, but > I'm not going to ask them. Ooh, personal attacks! But that's what the survey is about. :) On the topic of such posts: I find it interest how easily we all misinterpret each other. Is it simply cultural differences? A lot of the argument here seems to be over what a list member attempted to imply in a message. > I just want to make a request: please > discuss your differences of opinion with respect for yourself and for > all it pertains to. Not sure what you mean here. > The way you've > propositioned the question above, it seems your intent is to assert your > "KW musical superiority". Misinterpretation city. I went out of my way to avoid doing exactly that. I have done that in the past - on this very subject - and didn't get much useful discussion out of it. This time I was hoping to find out if anyone could give a reason for Autobahn's popularity or if it was simply a matter of the majority of personal tastes favoring it. So far, the theory of it being popular because of similarity to the Beach Boys track makes the most sense to me. > I apologize for placing this long post publicly, however, as of late it > seems a number of us have been a little on the disrespectful side > regarding differences of opinion. I'd like this to be an environment > where we can have disagreements, ask silly questions, and basically have > a cybercommunity where we know that at least here, we're respected and > safe. We all would, and appeals such as this are becoming almost as frequent as the posts they complain about. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:20:10 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Leonard R. Cleavelin wrote: > At 03:49 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: > > >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? I > >understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. The above > >article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW material as > >being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? > > If you read between the lines, it doesn't exactly sound to me like they're > being very kind to "Autobahn": "Valuable as both a musical oddity and > background music for watching tropical fish sleep" isn't exactly a ringing > endorsement, to my ears. I noticed that too. I dismissed it as being a review by someone who didn't like KW and/or had only listened to Autobahn because of its popularity. What got me was the dismissal of the rest of KW's material as being more of the same. > Well, I like "Autobahn." I also like pretty much everything Kraftwerk has > done since "Autobahn," too (Even "Electric Cafe" and "The Mix," for God's > sake). Nothing wrong with that. Both are very good albums, if you ask me. > >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for liking > >Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell me why? > > Both "Autobahn" and "Trans Europe Express," come across to me in the nature > of tone poems. Kraftwerk has managed in those two works to capture some of > the essential feeling of a long car ride, and of train travel. They work, > at least for me. TEE works for me too, especially since I've taken some very long train rides in my time. I've also been across Canada by car or bus several times, but I wouldn't chose to listen to Autobahn for the trip. Maybe Canadian roads lack the atmosphere of the autobahn. :) > When he gave me the tape, I thought for sure that one of the pieces of music > on it would be "Autobahn." It had to be there; even though I hadn't heard > "Autobahn" for a very long time (possibly not since shortly after it's U.S. > release in '75), I knew instinctively that it was the quintessential German > driving song, and thus had to be prominently featured on this tape. I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia song" for you? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:21:28 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > I like all other KW tracks. Even the other ones on the Autobahn album. > > What do you mean EVEN the other ones on the Autobahn album?! > "Kometenmelodie 2" is one of my all-time favorite KW songs! Just trying to avert guilt-by-association. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:33:54 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:26:07 +0100 jbv writes: > >Hey, > >What about Yoko Ono ? As long as she's not singing!! I've heard cats in heat that sound MUCH better! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:46:06 EST >>3) Age? > >40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its >original release) THANK YOU!! At 38, I was beginning to think I was the oldest one in this group. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tangram Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:35:53 -0500 where from originally from Poland, live in Toronto, Canada. occupation office clerk age 30 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Survey Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:51:36 EST >only type of music I cannot stand is >music done for dishonest reasons, such as money and trendiness(ie >the current state of alternative music). Do you remember when alternative music really was? Heck, I consider Lawrence Welk alternative, in my line of thinking...he has NEVER been trendy... I love all types of film, except films done for >reasons that are explained in the above, I especially love horror, >cult, and silent films. How about these films? Kentucky Fried Movie Top Secret The Toxic Avenger The Rocky Horror Picture Show Tunnel Vision The Grove Tube _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:31:32 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:19:27 +0100 jbv writes: > >tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: >> >> granted, there arent as many as males, but theres more than few: >heres a >> couple more: diamanda galas, wendy carlos, sussan deiheim... Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... ...uh, you DO realize that Wendy Carlos used to be Walter Carlos, and had a sex change operation, don't you? So, does she still count or not? I haven't heard anything from her as Wendy Carlos, but as Walter I do have a couple of albums, and I think she's a synth pioneer, regardless of gender. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) hello list Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:22:29 EST On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) LeeLo writes: > >Hey list...I am a new member....I am from america...anyone else from >america on list? any computer science majors like myself?... There are a number of us Americans on the list. I am in Warren, Michigan, 4 miles north of Detroit. Where do you live? I'm not in school anymore - I graduated in 1977 and did little with computers (little was available at the time). I'm 38 years old and I work in machine maintenance for a meat processor in downtown Detroit. Howzat? Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com Fido 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) rammstein vs. kraftwerk Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:25:13 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:00:04 +0500 Christopher Gross writes: >>>Auch wenn der ursprngliche Bedeutungszusammenhang eines >>>Stckes durch >>someone willing to translate ?! ;) >P.S.-- I think 'Bedeutungsuzuammenhang' means 'shoe', but I could >be wrong... I know little German...those words (except der) are not in my vocabulary. Hey, I was excited when I found out the translations for the song titles on Autobahn...then when I got Kraftwerk 2 and later Kraftwerk, I was glad to find those out as well. I still like Komettenmelodie, Mitternacht and Morgenspaziergang...knowing what they mean, I think I appreciate them a lot more. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:17:03 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:05:59 +0100 lbo writes: >Kraftwerk radio tuner as in Radioactivity. Actually, the picture on the back cover of the Radioactivity album is a real radio with quite a history. It is also a rare collector's item, and I for one would love to get my hands on one. For those unfamiliar with its siginificance, the larger words on the back translate to "German Midget Radio" . It is a compact and very weak radio (this one uses only two tubes and I believe one is a power rectifier, essentially making it a 1-tube radio) During WW2, the German government produced these radios in quantity, and gave them away to the citizens free of charge. These radios were more than adequate to pick up strong local stations (and their propaganda) but could not get weaker foreign stations...so...with the population getting half the story, and making sure that everyone gets it gets a lot of public support on your side. It worked well. After the war, most people threw them away because it really wasn't a great radio, much better ones were available. But what I find suprising about this particular radio is that it was obviously designed for worldwide use! 110-130volts (USA/Canada/Mexico/Japan), 150volts (Parts of Australia) and 220-240 volts (the rest of the world) Now to crawl back into my hole... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:36:25 -0700 Unfortunately, I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" anywhere.. wish I could comment :) The best KW tracks in my mind are those that combine real "noises" into structured songs. I heard one track on "Radioactivity" where it was a radiation meter and it thumped along quicker and quicker.. things like that are songs you can stamp you pencil and kick your desk (heehee mines hollow metal) to. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:44:30 -0600 At 10:22 PM 2/8/98 EST, tom w wrote: >On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:10:20 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" > writes: >curious: what was on the tape? I'd have to pull it out and listen to it again, and I'm not sure I'd recognize all the tracks. A fair amount of German "classical" (i.e. symphonic) music from the Baroque, Romantic, and Neo-Classic periods which are familiar, including a couple of pieces by Bach (Third Brandenburg Concerto) and Handel (selections from the Water Music Suite); The Beatles singing "Komm, gib mir deine Hand" and "Sie lieb dich" , which were German language recordings of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" (OK, not German songs but songs in German--close enough for my friend); two symphonic versions of "Deutschland Ueber Alles" (the two versions begin and end the tape; an inside joke for me from my friend, since he and I regularly used to sing "Deutschland Ueber Alles" in our high school cafeteria to irritate certain persons (mostly teachers, though I think it PO'd a few students, too)), and a song titled "99 Luftbalons" , by an artist whose identity I've forcefully suppressed, though I know she is German. . . >np: trio - dadada He missed that one, unfortunately; as the theme for the then current VW Golf ad campaign it would have been perfect. . . . I have a .wav file of "Da Da Da" that I listen to occasionally, but I balk at paying $13 for the one of the CDs which has the song just to get that one track. . . . Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:49:30 -0600 At 09:46 PM 2/8/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote (responding to my answers to the survey): >>>3) Age? >> >>40 (which means I'm old enough to vividly remember "Autobahn" in its >>original release) > > >THANK YOU!! > >At 38, I was beginning to think I was the oldest one in this group. Does that make me the oldest? I hope not, but if it does I may claim some sort of title--maybe "Listdad"? Best regards, Len "probably 'Listgranddad' would be more appropriate" Cleavelin -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:57:24 -0600 At 10:31 PM 2/8/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote: >Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... > >...uh, you DO realize that Wendy Carlos used to be Walter Carlos, and had >a sex change operation, don't you? > >So, does she still count or not? I haven't heard anything from her as >Wendy Carlos, but as Walter I do have a couple of albums, and I think >she's a synth pioneer, regardless of gender. My recollection is that, as "Walter" she hit it big with the two albums of "Switched on Bach." I vaguely remember that, after the sex change operation she came out with at least one album (more synthesized classics, IIRC), but it seems that she fell off the radar completely. A quick search at CDNow reveals nothing by her (or by him, for that matter). I may have to haul out the heavy duty search engines and see what we can dig up on the Web. Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:55:26 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Greg Heil wrote: > Unfortunately, > I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" > anywhere.. wish I could comment :) It took me a long time to find some KW albums too. I still can't find CD versions of RA or TEE. I'll have to try mail-order if I can't find them soon. > The best KW tracks in my mind are those > that combine real "noises" into structured > songs. I like them too, though I wouldn't single them out as necessarily being best. Mind you, can't most KW tracks be said to do that in some sense? OTOH, when it comes to using noises in music, the Art of Noise does a lot more of that. > I heard one track on "Radioactivity" > where it was a radiation meter and it thumped > along quicker and quicker.. things like that > are songs you can stamp you pencil and > kick your desk (heehee mines hollow metal) > to. I know the one. Very nice lead-in. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:27:35 -0600 At 09:55 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Greg Heil wrote: > >> Unfortunately, >> I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" >> anywhere.. wish I could comment :) > >It took me a long time to find some KW albums too. I still can't find CD >versions of RA or TEE. I'll have to try mail-order if I can't find them soon. FWIW, I got my copies of "Autobahn" (imported) and "Computer World" (domestic), and just broke down and ordered a copy of "Radio-Activity" (also domestic) from CDNow (http://www.cdnow.com). I bought TEE at a local outlet (stumbled across it at some mall based outlet like Musicland, as I recall), which leads me to believe it should still be in print and able to be ordered by any music store. Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:27:38 -0600 At 09:20 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: >I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn >strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia >song" for you? To be truthful, there's no association with travel, at least with respect to "Autobahn." To the extent "Autobahn" is a nostalgia piece for me, it is only because it dates back to a time when I was young, and the possibilities of life seemed limitless (before the career mistake, the wasted years, growing older and being diagnosed a diabetic--but let's not depress everyone on the list, now. . . ) Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tangram Subject: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR Date: 09 Feb 1998 00:28:34 -0500 hey guys, i guess a lot of you already heard of something called CUSEEME so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone thought of coming up with something like our own CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR (ftp address) where all of us who own camcorders could go in and see each other while talking aobut KW? just a suggestion..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: (kw) Wendy Carlos (for anyone interested) Date: 08 Feb 1998 23:46:28 -0600 I love the Web! Right there in the top ten hits was the Official Wendy Carlos Web Site: http://www.wendycarlos.com/ Haven't had time to actually look at the page in detail, but it appears that she's still alive, kicking and composing. And to judge from the picture, not looking half bad for a transgendered, late middle aged woman. Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 00:31:20 -0700 (MST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Leonard R. Cleavelin wrote: > At 09:20 PM 2/8/98 -0700, Ra wrote: > >I think I see a pattern here. Would you say that you associate Autobahn > >strongly with a lot of memories about travelling, etc? Is it a "nostalgia > >song" for you? > > To be truthful, there's no association with travel, at least with respect to > "Autobahn." To the extent "Autobahn" is a nostalgia piece for me, it is > only because it dates back to a time when I was young, and the possibilities > of life seemed limitless Close enough. :) > (before the career mistake, the wasted years, > growing older and being diagnosed a diabetic--but let's not depress everyone > on the list, now. . . ) My sympathy. My health isn't all that great either. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR Date: 09 Feb 1998 00:37:25 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, tangram wrote: > hey guys, i guess a lot of you already heard of something called CUSEEME No. > so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about > ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone > thought of coming up with something like our own CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR > (ftp address) where all of us who own camcorders could go in and see > each other while talking aobut KW? > just a suggestion..... Wouldn't it be easier just to petition us to put scanned photos of ourselves on our web pages or in a common archive? Besides, some of us might not want to make it easier for the snipers to identify us... ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electrotica Date: 08 Feb 1998 19:43:10 -0500 >>> There appear to have been very few women who have influenced the = development of electronic music. Rock and pop music have been influenced = by numerous women, especially since the Debbie Harry era. I'm sure they = would contribute a lot.......+ then I might want to have posters of = electronic bands on my bedroom wall... <<< Well, I do know that one of the most prominent women in the genre today is Candace Pacheco, the leader of the multimedia band D'Cuckoo; she and they record for RGB/Hearts of Space. And, of course, but not necesarily "electronica," per se, is Laurie Anderson. Peace _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: AW: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 09 Feb 1998 9:16:53 +0100 > Kraftwerk is one of them!? Listed not under >"Bands" but under "Rygter" I'm wondering what does that mean?? Can >anybody translate?? "Rygter" is Roumors in danish=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: piscart eric Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY & first hello Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:28:04 +0100 Hi, i'm new on the list and, as a survey is going on, i introduce myself >1) Where from? - From Liege, Belgium. (Is here any kw fan ??) >2) Occupation? - Student at the University of Liege, maybe a journalist soon... >3) Age? - 23 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:03:46 +0900 At Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:58:48 +0900, Hiroshi MURATA wrote: > I bet you mean Francois Kevorkian (aka Francois K), who once > remixed "The Mix" version of "Radioactivity". > > He's a huge dance music guy, and owns an underground label > called "Wave Music" . An apology - I forgot to add proper dot between wavemusic and com. It works when we type but its contents is almost empty, without any link to anywhere. (very Kraftwerkish, isn't it? ;-) Its logo, three triangles circulating(?) is correct, though. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} SURVEY Date: 08 Feb 1998 20:28:14 PST De-lurk... In <19980207.223830.4887.1.n8tlc@juno.com>, n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) writes: > On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:39:03 -0800 **************** > writes: > >Having now been on this list for several months I am curious to know > >about the other subscribers: > I'm interested too... > > >1) Where from? Portland, Oregon, USA > >2) Occupation? Independent television producer, videographer, video computer graphics, etc., etc. > >3) Age? (Well) over 40 :) --DwightG Re-lurk. -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 09 Feb 1998 01:49:03 -0800 > From: Jean-Luc Turbo > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN > Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 6:53 PM > > Soleil "Ra" Lapierre wrote: > >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? > Jean-Luc Turbo responding: -(SNIP)- > I'm sure a bunch of > our pals like Autobahn for some very good reasons (i.e.- "I like the way > it sounds," "I like the way it makes me feel," or if you're ROBOT, "I > like the way it makes my speakers shake," etc) *HeeHee*! Something like that. I *LOVE* AUTOBAHN! Actually, it was the 1st KW Abum I heard back in 1978 -(shortly before my 21st b'day)- and it made ME shake as I melted into the Speakers! I was instantly addicted. I collected all the rest of KW's Albums in record time. -(*nyuk-nyuk* unintentional pun)- I'd say AUTOBAHN, closely followed by RADIOACTIVITY, was the "bridge" between KW's early Ambient tunes and their later ROBOT-PoP style, as Ralf calls it. To say that one can't be a KW Fan if one likes AB -or any particular KW song that YOU might not care for- is a totally unfair statement. It would be equaly unfair to say that you have to like EVery KW tune or you're not a KW Fan. -(The same goes for Fans of ANY Artist.)- Okay, say chicken is your favorite food. You might like it fried or baked, yet you don't like it boiled. Well, it's still chicken, and chicken is still your fave food, but, you just don't like that particular recipe, right? So you don't like ONE particular song by KW. Big deal. No need to be insulting about it. -(There are far too many Flames on the List already!)- Everyone's auditory taste buds are different, and AB tastes pretty damned good to me! Sure, ROBOTS is my personal favorite, and I may not be as crazy about some of KW's tunes as I am about others -(I like AB through CW the best)-, but, I do like ALL of their songs atleast to SOME degree because I LOVE what they DO with SOUND. It's DEEPER than just "MusiK". I can't explain it. All I know is: I thoroughly enjoy the whole KW "Spectrum". It's like I was saying earlier about listening to all of their Albums in chronological order- try it some time! It's inevitable that not EVery KW Fan is going to be in love with EVery individual KW tune- and I know it's hard to find their original Albums from way back when- but it's worth looking into just for the *complete* experience. KranK it UP! Just get cozy with the Speakers, relax, and ENJOY the TRIP! Talk about Electronic Orgasms- OOH, yeah! Believe me, it WERKs! -(IF your brain is on the same frequency as KW.)- GooD VIBES!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR........SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 08:41:19 -0800 tangram wrote:- >so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone< Thankyou for these words about my survey. So far 16 people have = responded. There must be many more on this mailing list. So if you = haven't already, please post the following details. I will publish the = results soon. 1) Where from? 2) Occupation? 3) Age? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:51:51 -0800 >Does that make me the oldest? I hope not, but if it does I may claim some sort of title--maybe "Listdad"?< I've received a tip-off that jbv is 50. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: (kw) hello list Date: 09 Feb 1998 11:26:02 +0100 Hey list=2E=2E=2EI am a new member=2E=2E=2E=2EI am from america=2E=2E=2Eany= one else from america on list? any computer science majors like myself?=2E=2E=2E -leelo america??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Collectibles, sweet collectibles Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:48:48 -0800 > Let's play a game and try and think of all the merchandizing products that > could be made available if someone were to have carte blanche to create > Kraftwerk collectibles. How about a new album with some great songs? That IMO would be the best collectible one could wish for ;) Since we're supposed to introduced ourselves here are my data: I live in Seixal, (near Lisbon) Portugal, which some of you might be visiting soon if you come to the Expo. Hmmm, it just occured to me that the Expo grounds would be a nice setting for a KW concert... That giant video screen could be put to some good use. I'm 30 & I work as a Systems Administrator at Siemens. I've been listening to KW since I was a kid around the time Autobahn came out. So, pretty normal guy, unlike those two who would like to screw a barbie doll! Sick! Not to mention that it must be painful! ;) Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dominik Stadler Subject: WG: (kw) concert confirmed by MCT Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:04:10 +0100 > on http://www.uradio.ku.dk/musik/roskilde98/ there's a list of bands > playing on rosklide '98, and Kraftwerk is one of them!? Listed not > under "Bands" but under "Rygter" I'm wondering what does that mean?? > Can anybody translate?? > > > Dschau.. Dominik > > >Kraftwerk > >- just confirmed the Rolkilde Festival ! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 11:06:05 GMT 1) Where from? Oxford, England 2) Occupation? student 3) Age? 19 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:22:31 -0000 > >Actually, the picture on the back cover of the Radioactivity album is a >real radio with quite a history. It is also a rare collector's item, and >I for one would love to get my hands on one. > oh God! Please read the bloody archives. If I had a penny for the amount of radio discussions we've had...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:16:45 -0000 >mode.123>>> > >PS: I used the word "electrotica", it was meant to be a cross between erotica and electronic > I'm glad you distinguish also between 'electronic' and electronica', as only one of those is a valid descriptor. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) question Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:28:55 -0000 > >I'm new to this list, so if you all have discussed this before, I >apologize. Anyway, I have a question: A couple of years back a cd came >out called "Trance Europe Express" that was a bunch of different bands >doing KW songs. I believe Laibach was one of the bands. Has anyone >hear heard that cd? Is it worth getting? > *groan* Please read the archives. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:20:19 -0000 >>1) Where from? > My name is Craig Land and I was born in Norwich England. I now live in Milton Keynes, England which is about 50 miles North of London. >>2) Occupation? > Operations/ Quality Manager for a large electronic components distributor in the UK. >>3) Age? > 30 (DOB 22 04 67) Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:27:28 -0000 >I bet you mean Francois Kevorkian (aka Francois K), who once >remixed "The Mix" version of "Radioactivity". > >He's a huge dance music guy, and owns an underground label >called "Wave Music" . > >CD "The best of Wave Music vol.1" is already available, and >Fraocois K did all the mixes. It has no connection with >Kraftwerk, though. If any of you guys like to mix on the turntables at all, a good double 12 inch vinyl pack to look out for by Francois K is called the 'FK - EP'. There are a couple of versions of this around, one has been remixed by other producers such as Todd Terry, all mixes are wicked! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) O Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:13:44 -0000 >> > original work woth Bobby O and their first album actually had >> who is Bobby >> O? >> >New York producer responsible for other acts like the Flirts and Divine. > >ernie Don't forget some of his best work,..Egyptian Lover (Girls, These are My Beats etc.). Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) RE: Autobahn - Date: 09 Feb 1998 11:01:58 -0800 Soleil "Flames r Us" Lapierre wrote: >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. If I = >were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from being=20 >released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone who likes=20 >Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. What a ludicrous statement...I can only assume you've made it to incite = a flame war again. In 300 years time people will remember Autobahn as = one of the great musical influences of the second millennium. Something = doesn't have to be well liked or respected to be influential, consider = Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Trance Europe Express Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:38:07 +0000 Patrick wrote: I'm new to this list, so if you all have discussed this before, I apologize. Anyway, I have a question: A couple of years back a cd came out called "Trance Europe Express" that was a bunch of different bands doing KW songs. I believe Laibach was one of the bands. Has anyone hear heard that cd? Is it worth getting? >>Hmmm I have this one. Some tracks are goodish, some are crap. Highlights are the versions of Airwaves and string quartet version of Neon Lights. Cheers Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dominik Stadler Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:41:21 +0100 > 1) Where from? > > Originally from Upper-Austria, now working near Munich/Germany > > 2) Occupation? > > Software Engineer > > 3) Age? > > just reached 23 > > Dschau.. Dominik > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: (kw) Polite Request #1 Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:43:54 -0000 Holy Moly!, Could you guys/gals stop posting for a couple of days, I can't get no sleep! ;-) ciao, --------- Jules Seifert #kraftwerk IRC Homepage:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm ICQ No:- 7421804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey Au-Yeung" Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 20:56:03 +0800 >>1) Where from? > Hong Kong, China >>2) Occupation? > Working at a district branch of a European bank, as a marketing officer. >>3) Age? > 29 The very first Kraftwerk song I heard was "The Model" in 1981. In the same year I borrowed a UK copy of "Computer World" LP from a friend and liked it a lot. My very first Kraftwerk LP was, nonetheless, Radio-Activity. Regards Jeffrey Au Yeung # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jules Seifert" Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:01:55 -0000 >ROBOT whirred:- > > I'd say AUTOBAHN, closely followed by RADIOACTIVITY, >was the "bridge" between KW's early Ambient tunes and their later ROBOT-PoP >style, as Ralf calls it. > Maybe. To me TEE was the crossover from disco-ish/melodic sounds and the more metallic feeling albums. > >To say that one can't be a KW Fan if one likes AB -or any particular KW >song that YOU might not care for- is a totally unfair statement. It would >be equaly unfair to say that you have to like EVery KW tune or you're not a >KW Fan. -(The same goes for Fans of ANY Artist.)- Okay, say chicken is your >favorite food. You might like it fried or baked, yet you don't like it >boiled. Well, it's still chicken, and chicken is still your fave food, but, >you just don't like that particular recipe, right? So you don't like ONE >particular song by KW. Big deal. No need to be insulting about it. -(There >are far too many Flames on the List already!)- Everyone's auditory taste >buds are different, and AB tastes pretty damned good to me! > Hehe. I never really connected Kraftwerk to Chicken before, but now you mention it, I seem to remember you saying that Florian is 'finger lickin' good' ;-) > Can I take your order sir? > One fillet RalfBurger and French Fritz please...... > Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey Au-Yeung" Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 09 Feb 1998 21:23:11 +0800 >I suppose it's his world tour as "trio" on summer 1996. >Everton Nelson (violin), Jacques Morelembaum (cello) and >Ryuichi Sakamoto (piano). >All three players performed really groovey, although no rhythm >instruments were used. Their stages were enthusiastically >accepted on all the places, such as New York, Sicilia, Athens, >Singapore, Tokyo, Roskilde 1996 (!!!), etc etc. 8-) They played a concert here in Hong Kong too (1996). Sakamoto had even played an earlier concert as a part of his Sweet Revenge Tour. >For the YMO track - it must be "Tong Poo". One of the most >classic track of Sakamoto, which first appeared in YMO's first >album. I'm sure about the track since it's the only YMO track >they played during the tour, at least before they come back to >Japan. :-) True. Sakamoto also came to Hong Kong recently. I watched his TV interview (with an untitled video extract from a performance with an orchestra) in which he expressed Kraftwerk was his early influence ;-) Jeffrey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Daly Subject: RE: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR........SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 08:45:44 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, **************** wrote: > > tangram wrote:- > > >so, aside from getting to know each other by typing things about > ourselves (the very thoughtful and brilliant SURVEY idea) has anyone< > > Thankyou for these words about my survey. So far 16 people have responded. There must be many more on this mailing list. So if you haven't already, please post the following details. I will publish the results soon. > > > 1) Where from? Baltimore, MD U.S.A. > 2) Occupation? Soon-to-be-a-lawyer (I just need to pass Maryland's bar exam....) > 3) Age? 28 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Sakamoto (Off topic) Date: 09 Feb 1998 14:37:34 -0000 With all this talk of Sakamotto, is anyone interested in a box set of CD's from RS? They are a collection of 7 CD's on the Japanese label MIDI. Condition is mint, all offers accepted. Cheers, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk and the beach boys... Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:36:31 -0500 here's my take. kraftwerk were aware of the beach boys popular music. they were coming from a different angle, but, were "driving" at the same thing - the beach boys (like 'em or not) painted a picture that evokes a time and place, and in some cases, an activity - be it surfing, driving your car, or whatever. the beach boys WERE c kraftwerk were out to do the same thing for a different set of activities and cultural references. autobahn has a commonality, however, it's driving. so, what's the translation of the german lyric, by the by? there seems to be a flame baiting tendency on the list to compare kraftwerk to percieved 'bubblegum' bands: i could spend a good amount of time arguing the beach boys importance to music, and exploring the apparently hidden melodic, compositional and lyrical sophistication of their music. it's waaay off topic though, and, i don't have all day! as if to fill the void, i'm a beach boys fan that likes autobahn, and all the kraftwerk albums. each have their own story to tell..on one day my favorite might be radioactivity (i'm also into short wave radio)- on another day, it might be computer world, tee, or man machine. go figure! as for what people are trying to do, it's beyond me. are they trying to anger the kraftwerk fan that thinks kw are serious composers by comparing their music to disposable pop? perhaps, but, it only proves that they're (the trollers) missing much of the nuance to krafwerk's music, and, intent. everything isn't on the surface, and i often think that it takes a certain amount of "listener input" to truly appreciate any form of music. on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with "bubble gum" either. it's probably not aimed at any of us (market listener wise) but, that doesn't make it BAD music. it's just music that isn't geared for us, (or vice-versa). no big deal there - it's as relevant as comparing kraftwerk to hardcore, or 70's heavy metal. hey, "iron man" is about a guy turned into a machine, how's it different from "the man machine"? gee, let's ponder it... i'm suprised nobody picked up on my "sparks" reference a couple of posts back. are there no sparks fans on the list? for the record, i too like devo - i'm really curious as to what other bands i can explore that other more "art minded" (for lack of a better word) kraftwerk fans might be into. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:46:14 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:44:30 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" writes: > and a song >titled >"99 Luftbalons" , by an artist whose identity I've forcefully >suppressed, though I know she is German. . . he fooled you...nena is austrian... >>np: trio - dadada > >He missed that one, unfortunately; as the theme for the then current >VW Golf >ad campaign it would have been perfect. . . . I have a .wav file of >"Da Da >Da" that I listen to occasionally, but I balk at paying $13 for the >one of >the CDs which has the song just to get that one track. . . . > im sure u can find this album (or i believe they have a compilation album also) in the cut-out bin...keep searching... tom w np: freezone 4 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Daly Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk and the beach boys... Date: 09 Feb 1998 09:53:41 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > > driving. so, what's the translation of the german lyric, by the by? I've got the original u.s. lp, and the english translation is on the sleeve. > i'm suprised nobody picked up on my "sparks" reference a couple of posts > back. are there no sparks fans on the list? for the record, i too like > devo - i'm really curious as to what other bands i can explore that other > more "art minded" (for lack of a better word) kraftwerk fans might be into. I really like the Eno Devo album (Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!) Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: {kw} SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 08:57:44 -0600 At 08:28 PM 2/8/98 PST, DwightG wrote: >> >3) Age? > >(Well) over 40 :) Dammit! Now I have to revise all those resumes, since I can't claim to be "Listdad" anymore. :) Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Xav" Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 10 Feb 1998 00:20:32 +0800 > 1) Where from? Singapore > 2) Occupation? payment systems manager, responsible for the development and implementation of interbank payment systems > 3) Age? 31 Xavier T H Lim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Sv: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:35:23 +0100 > 1) Where from? >=20 > Helsingborg / Sweden >=20 > 2) Occupation? >=20 > Technical Editor of Swedish Magazine >=20 > 3) Age? >=20 > 30 (Years) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) NEW!!: Twingo's and JBV's Picture Gallery Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:38:44 +0100 Today I put 25 pictures on my web-pages for downloading! These pages were provided to me by JBV, but he didn't have web-space to place them. The gallery can be found on my Kraftwerk-page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html groeten, Dolf / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Twingo's and JBV's Picture Gallery Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:38:46 +0100 Today I put 25 pictures on my pages for downloading! These pages were provided to me by JBV, but he didn't have web-space to place them. The gallery can be found on my Kraftwerk-page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html groeten, Dolf / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:40:21 EST 1) Where from? ============ Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany 2) Occupation? ============ student (electrical engineering) 3) Age? ====== 23 Carsten Bolte. Kiel. ========================= halb wesen und halb (ueber)ding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Lee Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 09 Feb 1998 17:36:49 +0000 Patrick S. Daly wrote: > Chris Lee wrote: > > > > What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly > > opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. > > And now AON gets sampled . . . e.g., Prodigy uses that "Hey!" from Close > to the Edit. They are credited as co-writers of 'Firestarter' apparently - probably a legal thing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Re: List survey Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:52:15 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, **************** wrote: > 1) Where from? Ann Arbor, Michigan. > 2) Occupation? Currently an office temp slave, with hopes of soon being promoted to permanent office slave. I have made efforts at writing, but I've never made any money from it (if that's a prerequisite for occupation). > 3) Age? 24. John Morgan "'One can't always be high.' Oh no? One The University of Michigan only has to properly orient oneself." jbmorgan@umich.edu --Walter Benjamin http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk and the beach boys... Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:55:19 +0100 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > = > here's my take. kraftwerk were aware of the beach boys popular music. = they > were coming from a different angle, but, were "driving" at the same thi= ng - FYI, in the mid-70s R&F used to mention the BB as one of their main influences. According to an interview from 76, the even went to a BB concert in a stadium (Hollywood Bowl ?) during the mix sessions of TEE at the Record Plant. > i could spend a good amount of time arguing > the beach boys importance to music, and exploring the apparently hidden= > melodic, compositional and lyrical sophistication of their music. it's= > waaay off topic though, and, i don't have all day! Wrong (and it's a pity you don't have all day) : this is 200 % ON-TOPIC. And if more people on this list could spend more time in exploring music structures per se (instead of always relying on the same old clich=E9s they picked up in magazines or on obscure Web sites), we would = certainly improve our knowledge... And BTW, I agree with you : the BB were (up to Pet Sounds) a fantastic band. I regard "Good Vibrations" as one of the most fabulous songs of all times, a song that put the world on his knees. Literally. > i'm suprised nobody picked up on my "sparks" reference a couple of post= s > back. are there no sparks fans on the list? = If you mean the message that mentioned "Number 1 in Heaven", I didn't think it was worth mentioning it : = 1) it's not a typical Sparks album 2) when it was released, the "Moroder sound" was already sounding pretty tired... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:55:41 +0100 ROBOT wrote: > > Okay, say chicken is your > favorite food. You might like it fried or baked, yet you don't like it > boiled. WHAT ? You guys boil chicken ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) NEW!!: Twingo's and JBV's Picture Gallery Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:59:39 +0100 Twingo on the Internet wrote: > > Today I put 25 pictures on my web-pages for downloading! > These pages were provided to me by JBV, but he didn't have web-space to > place them. > Actually I have some webspace, but was too lazy to do it myself. Let's thank Twingo anyway ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk v... Aqua?! Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:01:26 GMT >> Forget everything you know about Kraftwerk and Aqua... >> Focus on the songs; is there any big difference between them? > Barbie Girl is a false song, *disappointed* I thought it was actually Barbie herself singing. > meticiously false, You imply the perfectionist attention to detail which we all revere! > like almost everything from mainstream music Yeah; all jumping on our bandwagon, aren't they?! How we _wish_ we could be the only ones. > for the stupid ones who listen to it like they watch television. Tchk. Entertainment. Should be banned. > Barbie Girl is just a monstruos song built up to screw the > brain of adolescents with false, not virtual, landscapes. > It's unnatural and dangerous. Yeah. We wouldn't encourage the exploration of unfamiliar musical territory, would we... who ever heard of such a thing.......? What a cute name for a music group. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:46:45 EST On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:44:30 -0600 "Leonard R. Cleavelin" writes: >"99 Luftbalons" , by an artist whose identity I've forcefully >suppressed, though I know she is German. . . I've got the 45...it's Nena, and it is Luftballons. The B side is 99 Red Balloons (English translation)...what I'm trying to get my hands on is the parody to that song called 99 Dead Baboons...don't know who did it, though np: The Monks - Ann Orexia _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:42:33 -0800 Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:52:31 EST >Does that make me the oldest? I hope not, but if it does I may claim >some sort of title--maybe "Listdad"? >Len "probably 'Listgranddad' would be more appropriate" Cleavelin Well to paraphrase the song by The Who...because we DIDN'T die before we got old!! Just remember...the only thing worse than getting older is NOT getting older. Be glad we made it this far. I'm thinking...the members of Kraftwerk would have to be older still...in 1970 (AFAIK that's when they started) I was 10...I KNOW they were older...probably as old as my wife... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:34:03 EST On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:36:25 -0700 "Greg Heil" writes: > >Unfortunately, I can't find "Radioactivity" or "Autobahn" anywhere.. >wish I could comment :) The best KW tracks in my mind are those >that combine real "noises" into structured songs. I heard one track on >"Radioactivity" where it was a radiation meter and it thumped along >quicker and quicker.. things like that are songs you can stamp you >pencil and kick your desk (heehee mines hollow metal) to. That song is Geiger Counter...it is the lead in to Radioactivity. Are you familiar with Klingklang from Kraftwerk 2 or Ruckzuck from Kraftwerk? I think you'd probably enjoy those...I love to drive people nuts whistling Ruckzuck. Autobahn and Radioactivity are the two best albums Kraftwerk put out...I'm sure others will disagree with me, but that is my opinion. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: MESSAGE BOUNCE Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:27:16 EST This message was bounced back to me as it was felt that I quoted excessively...I don't think so, but I'm going to try it again. I didn't shorten the message, but I did reformat it. On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) Ra writes: >I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? >I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. Having been heavily into American top 40 at the time, I can tell you that it may well have made the AOR stations...it was way too complex for top 40. >The above article and some people on the list dismiss all other KW >material as being inferior to Autobahn? WHY???? I don't consider Autobahn their best work, but I like it as it is almost exactly the same length as the time it takes me to drive to work. All but about 1 1/2 miles (about 2km) is on the freeway...the music fits, and before I know it, I'm there. >I truly can't understand this. I have exactly the reverse opinion. >If I were a member of KW I would have tried to stop Autobahn from >being released. It's an embarrassment. The way I see it, someone >who likes Autobahn doesn't like Kraftwerk. WRONG!! Kraftwerk has a variety of styles...which you know unless you've only heard a few songs. Differences between say, Komettenmelodie 1, The Telephone Call, Neon Lights, The Voice Of Energy and News show it. Similarities between things like Ohm Sweet Ohm and Komettenmelodie 2 (my two favorites) illustrate the variations on a theme. Heck, just to see how many different styles can go into one song, I like Klingklang from Kraftwerk 2. >I hope you can see that I simply can't determine the reason for >liking Autobahn. Would anyone who really likes that track care to tell >me why? Why? Why ask why? Just listen to the music! I like it...but I also like the other songs on that album. About the only track on that album I don't like is Komettenmelodie 1...but I love Komettenmelodie 2, Mitternacht and Morgenspaziergang. So there! >/* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs > * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously > * enough to solve them." - Celia Green > */ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LeeLo Subject: Re: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:06:14 -0500 (EST) where do you go to school me sweet? -leelo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:14:27 +0100 Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > Autobahn and Radioactivity are the two best albums Kraftwerk put > out...I'm sure others will disagree with me, but that is my opinion. > I disagree with you : That is NOT your opinion. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: MESSAGE BOUNCE Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:19:41 -0600 At 12:27 PM 2/9/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote: >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) Ra >writes: > >>I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? >>I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. > >Having been heavily into American top 40 at the time, I can tell you >that it may well have made the AOR stations...it was way too complex for >top 40. Now Bill, you are by your own admission two years younger than me. It is therefore possible that I'm suffering from the early symptoms of Alzheimer's, but. . . :) I was listening a lot to a top 40 oriented station at the time, myself, and I distinctly remember that they repeatedly played a 5-7 minute cut of "Autobahn" fairly frequently there for a while during late '74 or early '75. If they hadn't, I'd have never heard of Kraftwerk, ever. Now I wish I had discovered AOR by then, because, while I had a favorable reaction to the top 40 cut of "Autobahn," I know I'd have died and went to heaven if I ever had a chance to hear the 22:42 cut. . . Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard R. Cleavelin" Subject: Re: MESSAGE BOUNCE Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:21:58 -0600 At 12:27 PM 2/9/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote: >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:49:57 -0700 (MST) Ra >writes: > >>I have something to rant about here. *WHY* is Autobahn so popular? >>I understand it's the only KW track to make the top 40 in the US. > >Having been heavily into American top 40 at the time, I can tell you >that it may well have made the AOR stations...it was way too complex for >top 40. Now Bill, you are by your own admission two years younger than me. It is therefore possible that I'm suffering from the early symptoms of Alzheimer's, but. . . :) I was listening a lot to a top 40 oriented station at the time, myself, and I distinctly remember that they repeatedly played a 5-7 minute cut of "Autobahn" fairly frequently there for a while during late '74 or early '75. If they hadn't, I'd have never heard of Kraftwerk, ever. Now I wish I had discovered AOR by then, because, while I had a favorable reaction to the top 40 cut of "Autobahn," I know I'd have died and went to heaven if I ever had a chance to hear the 22:42 cut. . . Best regards, -- Leonard R. Cleavelin e-mail: leonard@inlink.com (preferred) lcleavelin@solutechinc.com (work related) WWW: http://www.inlink.com/~leonard Never ascribe to malice what may be adequately explained by stupidity. *****FIGHT INTERNET SPAM! JOIN CAUCE ***** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Survey Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:23:16 +0100 Heather wrote: > > I am currently a student, an aspiring artist( I > don't use the word lightly, very few people actually live up to it) I must confess that my favorite KW song is Heather, because she doesn't use words lightly... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Daly Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 09 Feb 1998 13:23:50 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Chris Lee wrote: > Patrick S. Daly wrote: > > > Chris Lee wrote: > > > > > > What about Anne Dudley during her Art of Noise years? They certainly > > > opened my eyes to the joys of sampling. > > > > And now AON gets sampled . . . e.g., Prodigy uses that "Hey!" from Close > > to the Edit. > > > They are credited as co-writers of 'Firestarter' apparently - probably a > legal thing. > Oh yeah? I don't have that Prodigy album, so I didn't know that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: (kw) Personal tastes, and all that sort of things... Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:23:52 +0100 May I quote that french singer : A quoi sert d'aimer, S'il faut le dire, Le r=E9p=E9ter, S'il faut l'=E9crire... (Roughly : What's the use of loving, If one has to tell it To repeat it, If one has to write it... ) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:29:42 +0100 Patrick Daly wrote: > > Oh yeah? I don't have that Prodigy album, Happy man ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wootton robin <96188726@brookes.ac.uk> Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com = ? Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:30:51 GMT For an ultra small fee per year, anybody can have their choice of address! Just like in London city center :o) The maintainer is evidently fanatic, but is also one shit webpage designer. Another example is www.petshopboys.com Both are an embaressment when compared to the ultra fast and slick official page: www.parlophone.com/psb/ woottie @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ kaydoubleyou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 09 Feb 1998 11:33:22 -0800 > ROBOT wrote: > > > > Okay, say chicken is your > > favorite food. You might like it fried or baked, yet you don't like it > > boiled. -------- > WHAT ? You guys boil chicken ? > jbv -------- Yeah. Sometimes. For soup or broth. Or you can bake the chicken first and then cut it up and add it to a pot of noodles & veggies & spices. Whatever. It was just an analogy to illustrate different tastes. So, how do Ralf & Florian "cook up" such delicious MusiK? *YUM-YUM* ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) AUTOBAHN Date: 09 Feb 1998 20:43:23 +0100 > > > WHAT ? You guys boil chicken ? > > jbv > -------- ROBOT wrote: > > Yeah. Sometimes. For soup or broth. Or you can bake the chicken first and > then cut it up and add it to a pot of noodles & veggies & spices. Whatever. Well, just like in Asia. Around here, I think only the chicken legs are used in soup or broth. Boiling such meat as chicken is somehow considered as "wasting" the meat... > It was just an analogy to illustrate different tastes. > Ooh... I see... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} Women in electrotica Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:20:35 PST In <1.5.4.32.19980209045724.006b81b8@inlink.com>, "Leonard R. Cleavelin" writes: > > At 10:31 PM 2/8/98 EST, Bill Dobiesz wrote: > > >Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... > > > My recollection is that, as "Walter" she hit it big with the two albums of > "Switched on Bach." I vaguely remember that, after the sex change operation > she came out with at least one album (more synthesized classics, IIRC), but > it seems that she fell off the radar completely. Check out "Beauty in the Beast," Passport/Audion SYNCD 200, from 1986. Really gorgeous synthesizer pieces in non-traditional, non-equally-tempered scales. Before that, "Digital Moonscapes." She also did an album on CBS called "Secrets of Synthesis" (MK 4233), on which she talks about and demonstrates composition and creation of electronic music. Worthwhile. --DwightG -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DwightG@nesbbx.rain.com (Dwight Gruber) Subject: (kw) Re: {kw} question Date: 09 Feb 1998 10:02:15 PST In <34DEA9C5.50C1@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us>, "Patrick S. Daly" writes: > > I'm new to this list, so if you all have discussed this before, I > apologize. Anyway, I have a question: A couple of years back a cd came > out called "Trance Europe Express" that was a bunch of different bands > doing KW songs. I believe Laibach was one of the bands. Has anyone > hear heard that cd? Is it worth getting? Trancewerk Express (two volumes now) are trance/electro covers, not nearly as imaginitive or creative as the originals and pretty boring, IMO. Trans Slovenia Express is an album of Slovenian Industrial bands (including Laibach) covers, very rowdy and noisy. I like a lot of it. --DwightG -- DwightG@nesbbx.rain.COM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com = ? Date: 09 Feb 1998 20:59:08 +0100 we already had this one before. check the archives (btw: where are = they?!) official ripe entry : KlingklangR Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz KRAFTWERK2-DOM Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK.COM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cantera, David DC458 dcantera@IACNET.NET (609)778-1653 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas AK978 compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 18-Aug-97. Record created on 03-Dec-96. Database last updated on 9-Feb-98 04:15:38 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: IAC.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.100 NEWS.IACNET.NET 207.106.88.110 NS2.IACNET.NET 207.106.89.102 .as ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: wootton robin [SMTP:96188726@brookes.ac.uk] Gesendet am: Montag, 9. Februar 1998 20:31 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com =3D ? =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 For an ultra small fee per year, anybody can have their choice of = address! Just like in London city center :o) =20 =20 The maintainer is evidently fanatic, but is also one shit webpage = designer. Another example is www.petshopboys.com =20 =20 Both are an embaressment when compared to the ultra fast and slick = official page: www.parlophone.com/psb/ woottie =20 =20 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@= @@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 kaydoubleyou =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: {kw} Women in electrotica Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:02:27 -0800 > > >Wendy Carlos...almost forgot about her... Y'all forgot about TRON. She did the sound track. She also did Peter & The Wolf with Weird Al Yankovic, I think. -(Hm, no it wasn't Al that did "99 Dead Baboons. I forget. It was on Dr. Demento. Pity they don't carry his show in these woods since about 10 years ago.)- I also have the Switched-On Bach 2000 CD. Very nice! Ralf was quoted in an interview: "Now we have silliness like Walter Carlos playing Bach on synthesizer." Well, I don't think it's "silly". Bach would be GREAT on SYNTHS if he were alive today! The Pipe Organ was the SYNTH of his day. He played a mean Harpsichord, too! Well-Tempered Klavier, etc.... ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Bartos Percussion Music Date: 07 Feb 1998 01:13:04 +0100 Seemingly, there's a demand for the sheet music by Bartos. Maybe I can help you by providing this, written on the bottom of the first page: (C) 1988 by Musikverlag Zimmerman, Frankfurt am Main. Good luck, and if you get hold on anything else by him, then tell us. I haven't played the music yet, but when I do, I'll give you a... well, sort of a review. You know. Keep it up! Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: Re: (kw) ROBOT's power issues Date: 06 Feb 1998 23:36:17 -0800 > On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:41:59 -0800 "ROBOT" writes: > >People are asking where I am. Well, I'm under the weather. Literally. > >can't get on-line much these days in between power-outages.*ARGH*. > > please dont take this the wrong way, but, almost everytime u send a > message to this list u complain about power outages...where do u live? in > siberia? the amazon? iraq? or doesnt anyone pay the electric bill? do u > need an electrician? is every appliance in ur house in the "on" position? > please elaborate as i am very curious... She probably lives in one of those areas of the 'states that have been hard-hit by snow and ice storms lately. Lots of power lines came down. Hundreds of thousands of people were without power. You know the routine. Americans just can't take a little inclement weather. :) Jean-Luc responds: I say it's that wily El Nino that kicked us Californians ass today--all of Melrose was sandbagged as was the entire city...all we need now is a freakin' earthquake...(just joking Mother Nature)... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon jean_luc_turbo@yahoo.com eidocult@pacbell.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Kevorkian Date: 07 Feb 1998 16:17:31 -0800 Kervorkian remixed some of the Eurythmics 'Touch' album. The results can = be heard on 3 tracks on 'Touch Dance', the other 3 were remixed by = Jellybean. I remember reading in interview with Annie that she didn't = approve of what had been done. Touch Dance was the record company's = idea, not the the bands. It's worth listening to Touch Dance (and of course Touch) to listen to = Annie Lennox's beautiful voice, but also to compare the work of = Kervorkian to Jellybean.=20 ---------- Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 7:48 AM Can anyone direct me as to where I can find out more info about this Kevorkian guy? I've seen his name alot over the years but have never read anything = about him! Marc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Topics Dropped Date: 08 Feb 1998 09:50:10 -0800 Marc wrote:- >The following is a list of topics I would like to see dropped from the = list:< The irony is that your own e-mail has sparked the most irrelevant topic = of all. This is a free list, if you don't like the topics either delete = the mails or unsubscribe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Women in electronica Date: 08 Feb 1998 18:12:25 +0500 On 09-Feb-98, Patrick S. Daly wrote: >jbv wrote: >> > > Hey, >> > > >> > > What about Yoko Ono ? I think I saw her on the way to the DEVO concert at Radio City Music Hall. No kidding! It was either Yoko or someone going out of her way to impersonate her, because I honestly couldn't tell the difference... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY, Sandy Becker's Page: www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/1281 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) KW mention Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:09:04 -0000 Bill Dobiesz wrote: >I'm sure others will disagree with me, but that is my opinion. jbv wrote: >I disagree with you : That is NOT your opinion. LOL! nice one dad... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk photograph Date: 09 Feb 1998 01:04:25 +0100 Helly-ho, chaps! A 'travelling record shop' visited our small town the other week, and I found some Kraftwerk bootlegs (can't remember what they where called). In one of the sleeves (the record was maybe called... Robotronik? Something like that, a remix-compilation it was) I found a great photograph of the band - I think it's from the TEE video, where you see the members from something of a frog perspective, all dressed up with coats, hats, make-up, veeeery chique. I personally think this is a great picture, and I wonder if anyone knows if I can find this photograph somewhere so I maybe could make a poster out of it? Regards, love, and oceans of good will /Marcus, Sweden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sigurd Gulliksrud Subject: RE: (kw) CUSEEME KW REFLECTOR........SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:27:57 +0100 (MET) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, **************** wrote: > 1) Where from? Drammen, Norway (currently Trondheim) > 2) Occupation? Student (political science) > 3) Age? 29.10.76 sigurdgu@stud.ntnu.no http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~sigurdgu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) SURVEY Date: 09 Feb 1998 21:12:17 +0100 1. Helsingborg, Sweden 2. IT-Architect 3. 30 /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: (kw) What If? Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 07 Feb 1998 23:50:52 PST >Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer Pentium Computer? More like a KW Limited Edition PowerPC Amiga. -Peter Liethen http://petenet.dragonfire.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) NEW!!: Twingo's and JBV's Picture Gallery Date: 09 Feb 1998 19:25:18 +0100 >> Today I put 25 pictures on my web-pages for downloading! >> These pages were provided to me by JBV, but he didn't have web-space to >> place them. >> > >Actually I have some webspace, but was too lazy to do it myself. > >Let's thank Twingo anyway ! Too lazy? That's hard to imagine if you count your posting to this mailing list.! groeten, Dolf / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo / / http://twingo.xs4all.nl (if online) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Daly Subject: (kw) kw Date: 09 Feb 1998 16:10:42 -0500 (EST) > The piece you quote also claims that Kraftwerk built their own synths to > record Autobahn - is there any evidence to support this claim? I'm not familiar with the article you are referring to, but I've read (unfortunately I don't remember where--I could have sworn it was in the liner notes to a reissue cd) that they not only built their own synths, but modified computers to enable them to act as sequencers. Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kotta" Subject: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Firestarter_-_Empirion_-_Electric_Caf=E9?= Date: 09 Feb 1998 22:29:09 +0100 Patrick Daly: >> They are credited as co-writers of 'Firestarter' apparently - probably