From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 31 May 1998 23:23:41 -0700 -(Commenting on a few KuTe threadz:)- POPCORN: MOOG programming by Stan Free I've got the whole Album, along with Apollo 100 -(remember "JOY"? a MOOGed-up version of BACH's Jesu Mein Freude)- and Switched-On BACH 1 & 2 and 2000, and a bunch of other 70-80's Experimental and SynthPop stuff. -(Yard Sale/Thrift Store Alert!)- After I get back from the KW Konzerts, I'll KranK out a few cassette copies -(fund$ permitting)- from the original vinyls. Well-worn, but, not bad. DEVO, Tomita.... I can't list 'em all. 'Weird obscure shit, too. Variety. KRAFTWERK or The Chicago Bulls?? HA!! -(as IF I'd pick ANY event over KW)- Well, how'bout KW playing at Half-Time? :]]]] Okay, so, I'm not a sports fan, but, yes, I'd give up a MAJOR event to see KW. Like my sister's 3rd wedding on June 7th. -(okay, not a "major" event, but.... hm-m, she was married once to her 1st husband, twice to her 2nd husband, and this is her 3rd GUY, so, I guess it's her 4th wedding? whatever.)- There'll be OTHER weddings and other ball games, but, there may never be another KW Tour- no matter what rumors we hear. KRAFTWERK takes precedence. Ah, levity. Just what we need to ease the *TENSION*. -(Jagged-Squiggly font)- Pre-Konzert jitters. MTV NewsFlash: Ginger Spice -(Gerri Halliwell?)- split from the Spice Girls- right before their US tour?!! go figure. 'Serve's 'em right for having their tickets go on sale the same day as KW. Their fans will have a RIOT if one of them is missing!*snicker*! Oh, yeah- Nell Carter as a 3rd Stage Navigator?? aw, jeeeeeeez.... now DUNE, too? Why not Jabba the Hut from STAR WARS? Or the Diva from 5th Element? Or Uhura from STAR TREK? Or DATA? How'bout Dr. Who? Like, can we possibly get any more off-topic? ROTFLM@O!!!! So, who would YOU like to see jam with KRAFTWERK? ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Introducing a new member Date: 01 Jun 1998 10:44:34 +0200 Hi Friends ! A new member of the KRAFTWERK-email-list (digest-version) is entering. Here I am : Gunnar "Gubbolf" Wess, male, 24, live in the west part of Germany (near Cologne), a student to communication´s electronic engineer (information´s technology) and KRAFTWERK-fan since I was at the age of four. Some years ago I thought yet, I was the loneliest boy, the only KRAFTWERK-fan in this f......(delete that) wide world. But via Internet I found out that we are one big family. I´m so glad, I can tell you. I´ve got a rich KRAFTWERK-collection of music, photos, articles, posters, etc. I´m only waiting for something new from "The House Of Kling-Klang" and of course I like connecting other KRAFTWERK-fans. I love you all. KRAFTWERK IS MY LIFE ! Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) elektric musik on flea-market ;) Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:47:02 +0200 hi all, i just come back from a flea-market where i found the "elektric music -=20 esperanto" cd for just DM 8.- (about US$4,50). as i didn't know it = before=20 it's fun to listen to it right now.... ;) btw, the artwork by emil = schult=20 has been adapted for a promotion for a local club here in saarbruecken,=20 called pulp. they used to put posters with the "red-sun" all over the = city=20 ;) just wanted to share my fun :) cu, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Houle Subject: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:14:51 -0400 In One sentence or less, how do you guys feel about the new KW tracks? Also, speaking about new KW, has anyone heard the detroit group Industry Of SOund? Kraft what? - Holy TDF samples! M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) R&F watch Dr. Who? Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:56:09 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 31 May 1998, Ra wrote: > I just remembered that in a Dr. Who story - "Spearhead from Space", I > think it was, though I could be mistaken - some showroom dummies come to > life and break out to roam the streets terrorizing people. Ah, yes, I remember that one now. Regardless, however, I think that the composers on Doctor Who must have been listening to Kraftwerk, if one considers the electronic soundtracks of the late '70s and early '80s on that show. In fact, somewhere or other (a UK reader can confirm or deny this) I read that Kraftwerk was often referred to by the British as "Doctor Who music." ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) KW merchandise at concerts Date: 01 Jun 1998 08:58:26 -0700 A small request to our list-mates who will be attending the upcoming Tokyo shows.... Would you please post what MERCHANDISE (shirts, hats, robots were for sale at the venus??? Also if you can please a rough conversion to dollars. I want to make sure I bring enough to the concert to buy one of probably everything available, and need to know how many dollars to bring. While I will wait until I return from California to read reviews of the Tokyo shows, a message with MERCHANDISE in the subject line will get my immediate attention. :) Many thanks. -Keith J. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) tickets for tour Date: 01 Jun 1998 10:08:04 PDT Hello everybody, We all absolutely adore Kraftwerk, right? I need help. I need help looking for dates and locations of their gig(s) in the UK. Or if anyone knows where I can find these precious slips of paper I would be eternally grateful. Thanks everyone.. Matthew Large landof_thelarge@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Joly Subject: (kw) Merchandise : pricing / currency Date: 01 Jun 1998 14:40:52 -0400 (EDT) >(shirts, hats, robots were for sale at the venus??? >Also if you can please a rough conversion to dollars. I like this nifty very handy little tool : Xenon Labs: The Universal Currency Converter http://www.xe.net/currency/ Richard -- rjoly@cam.org ALL NEWS YOKO ON ONOWEB: http://www.cam.org/~rjoly/yoko/onoweb.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fpinto Subject: (kw) (KW) San Francisco... Date: 01 Jun 1998 12:48:16 -0600 I got my ticket for LA but I couldn't beat the rush for the one at SF because I was out of the USA. Well, any ideas... who has one spare or... any ideas??? I am going anyway, the music must be loud enough to break out the bonds of the place where they'll be playing!! ;). Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Subject: (kw) rare cds at eBay Date: 01 Jun 1998 20:56:03 +0200 Hello, I am new to this mailing list. I just came across two rare Kraftwerk CDs in an on-line auction at ebay.com Maybe this is old news, but i thought i should share it. You can go there this way : "The Remix" : http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=15557435 "Hyper Cerebral Machine" : http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=15631443 There are picture of the sleeves also. Bye, Dave. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: (kw) (off topic) Funkstoerung Date: 01 Jun 1998 13:29:00 -0600 I meant to send this out to the entire list and our many German speaking members, but it only went to Diz (danke schoen Diz fuer Deine Antwort) Here goes again: Servus Diz! I have a question for you and the other native German speakers on this list. There is a new electronic act called Funkstoerung (some say they sound like latter day Autechre). Though I read German fluently and speak it "ganz gut," I would like to hear how German-speaking music fans, especially KW fans, interpret "Funkstoerung": Is the "funk" component a pun or double entendre on "funky" music, or do you understand it as something like "radio interference" or radio transmission interruption"? The word does not appear in my edition of Wahrig. Antwortet mal auch auf deutsch, wenn's Euch gefaellt. Danke sehr, Skip Acuff >>> Dorthe Cohrs 5/28/98 9:18 am >>> Hi ! Just wanted to introduce myself (Wollte mich nur mal vorstellen) My Name is Dorthe but everybody calls me Diz (Ich heisse Doerthe, aber alle nennen mich Diz) I was born in Hamburg, am German, and study in Richmond, VA at the moment. (Ich bin 'ne Hamburger Deern, studiere aber zur Zeit in Richmond, VA, USA) I have been a fan of Kraftwerk for a long time, and am happy that I will be able to see them in New York soon. (Ich bin schon seit langem ein Fan von Kraftwerk, und freue mich darauf, sie bald in New York zu sehen.) Okay, that's it for now, hope to hear from you soon (Okay, das war's erstmal, hoffe bald von Euch zu hoeren.) Ciao, Diz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Rumour: Australian Concert beginning of 1999 Date: 01 Jun 1998 14:28:32 +0200 An Australian friend one mine told that a friend of him heard the following on the Radio: KW is going to give a concert in melbourne in the beginning of 1999. greetings, Twingo / / http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo ----/---/---- twingo@xs4all.nl / / the Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Rumour : Australian dates Date: 01 Jun 1998 22:25:10 +0200 I got this mail from someone in Australia: This info was also heard by an Australian friend of mine. >Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:31:13 +1000 >From: pbaxter@ext.dfat.gov.au (Peter Baxter) >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >To: twingo@xs4all.nl, fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de >Subject: Australian dates > >The organisers of a huge summer festival held in Australia called "The >Big Day Out" are saying that Kraftwerk will be playing Melbourne and >Sydney dates in January 1999. The first tour in over 17 years!!!! And >I'm old enough to have seen the first!!! > greetings, Twingo / / http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo ----/---/---- twingo@xs4all.nl / / the Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark Subject: (kw) OFF TOPIC - a different concert Date: 01 Jun 1998 16:55:58 -0400 To anyone who is interested: Culture Club is touring with Human League and Howard Jones. I bought tickets for the Aug 7th Boston show. No comparison to KW of course, but it could be a fun show. Sorry for the off topic, just thought some of you may be interested. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ God is my favorite fictional character. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) SONAR 98 Date: 01 Jun 1998 23:53:22 +0000 I visited the place where KW will play at the SONAR fest in Barcelona: Pabellon de la Mar Bella It's a sports pavilion, completely rectangular in shape. It has 1200 seats, 600 on one side and 600 on the other, facing. There is a large area for car park besides. The sea and the beach are at a mere 100 metres from the building. The place is near the Olympic Port. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Rumour : Australian dates Date: 02 Jun 1998 03:17:22 +0200 >>The organisers of a huge summer festival held in Australia called "The >>Big Day Out" are saying that Kraftwerk will be playing Melbourne and it would be nice if organizers told the truth, i.e. "we are negotiating with K management to have them play etc.". there would be nothing wrong with it. anyway, I am referring to an italian habit, and maybe foreigners are more serious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 02 Jun 1998 03:14:07 +0200 >from the original vinyls. Well-worn, but, not bad. DEVO, Tomita.... >I can't list 'em all. 'Weird obscure shit, too. Variety. Rob, do you recall an american group called Units? they had a moment of fortune here in Rome in the late 70's, one of the reason was because they said "why use electric guitars when we can obtain the same sound from keyboard", that at the time sounded a lot cool (well, Bartos will disagree... :-) ). another reason was a nice tune they had, Warm moving bodies. I have an album of them, did they released something else? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) R&F watch Dr. Who? Date: 01 Jun 1998 18:29:04 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, John B. Morgan wrote: > On Sun, 31 May 1998, Ra wrote: > > I just remembered that in a Dr. Who story - "Spearhead from Space", I > > Ah, yes, I remember that one now. Regardless, however, I think that the > composers on Doctor Who must have been listening to Kraftwerk, if one > considers the electronic soundtracks of the late '70s and early '80s on > that show. In fact, somewhere or other (a UK reader can confirm or deny > this) I read that Kraftwerk was often referred to by the British as > "Doctor Who music." Really. I don't see much of a similarity myself, but I suppose way back then electronic music was so new that it all sounded alike to some people. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 01 Jun 1998 20:33:22 EDT In a message dated 98-06-01 20:23:10 EDT, lbo@iol.it writes: << DEVO, >> What kind of 'weird obscure' DEVO would we be talking about here? EJR loves DEVO "Smart Patrol! Nowhere to go.." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MIDIBear" Subject: (kw) Hot Butter: Popcorn Date: 01 Jun 1998 20:43:32 -0400 You can download a MPEG version of the track, plus a cover by Aphex Twin: http://www.eurotel.sk/~chch/aphex/index.htm RDJ's Popcorn is on Caustic Window: Joyrex J4 EP Original Popcorn is in the misc section I think. MIDIBear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 02 Jun 1998 01:52:20 +0100 Marc Houle wrote: > > In One sentence or less, how do you guys feel about the new KW tracks? Interesting, although I prefer to listen to Download, Lars Stroschen or even Parmegiani. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Joly Subject: (kw) tour bbs Date: 01 Jun 1998 21:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Hi, can someone please remind me the URL for the tour bbs, where people left their name/email address under the name of the city/show they will attend ? Can't think of where I saw that. Private email is fine. Richard -- rjoly@cam.org ALL NEWS YOKO ON ONOWEB: http://www.cam.org/~rjoly/yoko/onoweb.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telematik@juno.com (tel ematik) Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Bulls vs. Kraftwerk Date: 01 Jun 1998 22:03:33 EDT The Bulls will lose to the jazz in 5. The Bulls are looking pretty old and were severely outplayed by the pacers and the jazz are alot better than the pacers. about kraftwerk: Is the Man Machine out of print? I tried to order it but I was told it was unavailable. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "andrew T" Subject: (kw) Hot butter & More good stuff (lil bit long) Date: 01 Jun 1998 19:36:55 PDT I searched for Hot Butter in excite and got a bunch of links to "Marv Albert" sites...so I went to www.cdnow.com to look for hot butter and I found one cd Self entitled "hot butter" by hot butter....Its category was rap and I thought darn this isn't it- but then I went to the "If you like this CD please check out these recommendations" and these are the CD's it listed: A bunch of Metallica, Bobby Vinton's Greatest Hits (huh?), Laurie Anderson (hehe), the Titanic Soundtrack (!?), Dick Hyman: Music Of 1937 (?), and the last one is KRAFTWERK: Electric Cafe! So I bought it and we'll see if its truelly what I was looking for (fed-x one business day should b here tomorrow or nxt day) On another note...I e-mailed Doepfer concerning the purchase of a "Pocket Calculator" and they just responded saying they were on vacation till June 14th and my mail will not be read untill June 15th so I'll have to wait for that one, should be interesting :P The only Japanese KW cd I have is the Computer World one with the special Digital Dentaku track: I wasn't very impressed by a difference in sound quality but the cd case is white so thats the only other difference... I got a new camera to take a bunch of pics of the Warfield show, a very small thing with advantix or something heh (3 days of finals..SAT's saturday morning; fly to Cali from Newark New Jersey after the sat's saturday afternoon; rest for a Killer night of total KW xperience!!) On the Simpsons episode- I brought it up about a month or so ago and was told to read the damn archives heh. O well, I have the episode on tape and will be uploading a sound file of it if I can ever figure out how to convert huge wav files to something a heck of a lot smaller. Is there anything final for a party after the Warfield show?? I know the LA ppl are going to the Kontrol Factory and that sounds like fun...can anyone local set something up?? Tokyo's shows are right around the corner so get those "SPOILERS" ready!! I want to be totally suprized at the show!! Thats all for now (ps gary numan concert rocked) Andrew from ze Computer Welt http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang (new e-mail address my ISP was screwing up) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) A place to meet in SF? Date: 01 Jun 1998 21:18:31 -0700 I went to the Twenty Tanks brewery a few years ago when I was in college. It's a big place but is friendly, everyone feels welcome, maybe we can all meet there? It's South of Market street in SF. I can't remember, maybe eleventh and mission or something? Anyone have any other ideas, a place to meet new friends, etc. They do microbrews and have food. There is Ti couz, a french Breton place that's in a crummy neighborhood but is cheap and clean and serves crepes and sparkling hard cidre. I lived in SF for five years and can't even remember where anything is. At least in that part of town. Anyone have any ideas where to meet? Maybe we can go to the Russian Renaissance, a dimly lit Russian place that's been there since 1905 or something. We can go to the Haight and check out all the hippies wearing shorts when it's 50 degrees outside. Or maybe check out Japanese Tourists in Union Square confused as they watch crime happen in front of their eyes. Maybe we can stage a demonstration or something. Will Willie Brown be there? M. D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) What To Look For At The Show Date: 01 Jun 1998 21:50:20 -0700 Could those who have seen Kraftwerk in concert give a list of things to watch for at the show? I'm going to see them at the Warfield in six days. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) KW Reports.... Date: 01 Jun 1998 13:19:48 EDT (Domotool) writes: >Your message to the kraftwerk mailing list was not posted because it >contained an excessive amount of quoted text. Yeah, yeah, yeah > On Fri, 29 May 1998 21:31:24 "Scott M. Barnhill" > >> writes: >>yeah, will they start with numbers and computerworld or will they >>open with one of the three new pieces? :-) >Awww, I was kind of hoping they'd open the show with a cover >version of Laurie Anderson's "O Superman", appropriately retitled >"Obermensch". :-) =20 What's in a name? I was thinking, they could name a song "Wassermangelsicherungendeckelgummipuffer" and it wouldn't really make any difference (except to someone who could understand it)...but, it's kind of techno anyway... Or just a cute word like "Gummipuffer" or "Zwiebelring" >15 days till KW in NYC!! > 10 days till KW in Detroit! Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: The Queers - Mirage _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 01 Jun 1998 11:22:56 EDT On Sun, 31 May 1998 23:23:41 -0700 "ROBOT" writes: >So, who would YOU like to see jam with KRAFTWERK? That's easy...Silver Apples! That would be an unforgettable show... My wife spent Big moey to see Babs when she was in town...I thought she was nuts...but, I'd pay it to see Kraftwerk & Silver Apples together. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Kraftwerk - Kristallo _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Hot butter & More good stuff (lil bit long) Date: 02 Jun 1998 01:30:11 EDT In a message dated 6/1/1998 11:45:55 PM, you wrote: << On the Simpsons episode- I brought it up about a month or so ago and was told to read the damn archives heh. O well, I have the episode on tape and will be uploading a sound file of it if I can ever figure out how to convert huge wav files to something a heck of a lot smaller. >> Use MP3!! mp3.com HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (darren) Subject: (kw) kraftwerk nyc. Date: 02 Jun 1998 05:07:35 +0600 hello k list i was spinning tonight in a lounge in downtown manhattan when this lady told me that a guy named paulo and julie cruise would be opening for kraftwerk in nyc. (?) believe it, or not. darren http://www.tuna.net/resin email:resin@tuna.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK unplugged Date: 02 Jun 1998 11:04:11 +0200 Chris Gross wrote: >´Kraftwerk Unplugged´! Would there be any sound? Of course there would ! KRAFTWERK goes back to the roots. Ralf plays the piano, Florian the flute. Any more questions ? Gubbolf Today the tour begins ! Wow ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Hot Butter: Popcorn Date: 02 Jun 1998 05:53:07 -0500 I found "Popcorn" by Hot Butter in a compilation CD titled SYNTH ME UP: 14 Classic Electronic Hits. (I'd disagree with the title...a few songs in it just have a synth solo where the guitar solo would have been (bleagh).) "Popcorn" has the privilege of being the first non-children's record I ever had; I guess I can trace the origin of my love for synths back to this single. (That's not counting watching Doctor Who religiously as a child, listening to an 8-track of TEE -- back when it was new -- on a long car trip, and other possibly formative synth experiences.) I remember liking the b-side just as much, but it isn't on the Synth Me Up CD. -- Aldo Alvarez Editor Blithe House Quarterly: a site for gay short fiction URL: http://www.blithe.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dorthe Cohrs Subject: (kw) New York Date: 02 Jun 1998 10:00:51 EDT Hi yous guyses. I just wanted to know where I should go out in New York. I know the general areas of West and East Village, but no specific places. What do you recommend? Not only synth places: Industrial, Gothic, Techno, GOOD COFFEESHOPS!!!!!!!!! ???? And are you guys going to the Kraftwerk show meeting before or after? Die Kraft ist am Werk in 12 Tagen!!!!!! Ciao, bis dann. Diz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TAKAGI, Shigeto" Subject: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 02 Jun 1998 23:21:18 +0900 I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). And I must tell a bad infomation. .......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) Regards, TAKAGI, Shigeto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michel leraille" Subject: (kw) KW jam (electric flavour) Date: 02 Jun 1998 04:43:13 PDT Robot wrote : > So, who would YOU like to see jam with KRAFTWERK? Actually, I'd like to see them jam on telephone keyboards. How about a free improvisation around "the Model" main theme, using tones of telephone keys ? That was just another silly posting from JBV in Tokyo... jbv (in Tokyo) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 02 Jun 1998 04:23:17 PDT >In One sentence or less, how do you guys feel about the new KW tracks? They seem a bit unfinished. /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: Re: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 02 Jun 1998 04:38:01 PDT M. D. wrote: >Has anyone else also found that the German lyrics are better, I mean they have more poetic meaning. I have one hope for the concert, that they do most of what they do in German. Yes, the german version records are actually much better. Ralf's singing has got a better flow to it, and even the vocoded voices seem "softer". Further, some of the english versions seem a bit clumsy translated, like in The Model f ex. They have even removed the part where Ralf screams "KORREKT!" (Sie trinkt im Nachtklubs immer Sekt, korrekt) and replaced it with "She goes in to the nightclub, drinking just champagne" (something like that...). Makes the song much more uninteresting actually... /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 02 Jun 1998 11:26:18 EDT On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:21:18 +0900 "TAKAGI, Shigeto" writes: > >I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). >And I must tell a bad infomation. > >.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) > > >Regards, >TAKAGI, Shigeto > > > how about a review please? thanks... tom w np: namlook - atom (fax) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 03 Jun 1998 00:54:32 +0900 At 02 Jun 1998 23:21:18 +0900, TAKAGI, Shigeto wrote: >I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). >And I must tell a bad infomation. > >.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) except those who were on the stage. ;-) IMHO it was good decision, since most of the audience was really badly excited. (for Japanese guy, of course) A good news: Both Adam and I enjoyed the show! 8-) PLEASE wait for some more days for these SPOILERS things. It was my first time to see KW with my eyes, and everything was new to me. ;-) I won't be able to write anything based on what-was-new points of view. ;-) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) MERCHANDISE!! (Re: (kw) KW merchandise at concerts) Date: 03 Jun 1998 01:00:04 +0900 At Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:58:26 -0700, Keith Johnson wrote: >A small request to our list-mates who will be attending >the upcoming Tokyo shows.... > >Would you please post what MERCHANDISE >(shirts, hats, robots were for sale at the venus??? >Also if you can please a rough conversion to dollars. As for the first day at Blitz, only four types of t-shirts were there. No booklets, no hats, no posters... 8-( A t-shirt was 3500 yen each, which will be approx. equal to 25 to 27 US$. Three of them are the same as which we can purchase via ticketworld.de. - Robot (white) - Robot (black) - Autobahn (blue) Only the fourth looked new for an official t-shirt, but its design is totally the same as http://www.kraftwerk.com/konzert.html. Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:57:22 +0200 TAKAGI, Shigeto wrote: >=20 > I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). > And I must tell a bad infomation. >=20 > .......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) hmmm...ok...??? How about a little review? /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) NYC Date: 02 Jun 1998 12:11:23 EDT Can someone please give me some information about a get-together of Kraftwerk fan before or after the June 13 show, if it's happening, etc. ? Tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) R&F watch Dr. Who? Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:32:02 +0100 On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, John B. Morgan wrote: > Ah, yes, I remember that one now. Regardless, however, I think that the > composers on Doctor Who must have been listening to Kraftwerk, if one > considers the electronic soundtracks of the late '70s and early '80s on > that show. In fact, somewhere or other (a UK reader can confirm or deny > this) I read that Kraftwerk was often referred to by the British as > "Doctor Who music." Ra wrote: >Really. I don't see much of a similarity myself, but I suppose way back >then electronic music was so new that it all sounded alike to some people. How strange - as an Englishman, and a fan of both, I can assure you I've never heard anyone refer to Kraftwerk as "Dr Who music"! :) Actually, the world famous BBC Radiophonic workshop composed all the incidental music for Dr Who (much of it electronic) since the show began in 1963, way before our Florian twiddled his first oscillator... -- Jon Alsbury Information Services, University of North London. email: j.alsbury@unl.ac.uk tel: x2010 / 0171-753-3202 www: http://www.unl.ac.uk/~jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) tickets for tour Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:38:55 +0100 Matthew Large wrote: > >I need help looking for dates and locations of their gig(s) in the UK. > >Or if anyone knows where I can find these precious slips of paper I >would be eternally grateful. there are no UK dates on this current tour... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Brown (The Data Base - Nottm.)" Subject: (kw) New kid on the block Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:46:07 +0100 Just a quick hello from yet another new subscriber. My name's Matt from Nottingham, UK and my love for Kraftwerk has been stretched to breaking point since around 1981. I've seen them live 4 times : Sheffield 1991 Manchester 1991 Leicester 1992 Tribal Gathering 1997 Although I have the ultimate respect for our teutonic friends, I'm getting very impatient for new material (12 years for new material...come on, boys !). The only new track at Tribal was a bit gimmicky and worried me that my eager waiting was all to be in vain. The Tribal show didn't really break any new ground since their earlier tour, but as everyone was E'd off their tits, it seemed to go down very well. I bumped into Ralf in the toilets backstage (no George Michael references, please) a few hours before their show at Leicester Poly 1992. I said hello and held my hand out to be shaken and was told, 'Sorry, it isn't very hygenic after going to the toilet', and he went on his way. I hold the moment dear to me. Very interested to hear about the new shows. Laterzzzz MJB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 02 Jun 1998 13:39:05 EDT The new stuff sounded pretty good live, but disappointing on the downloads. I can't help but think that when it comes to lead lines, KW have only got one: The one from from trans-europe express. Naturally they used that one throughout then TEE album, but it also resurfaced in 86 as the on of the lines on the title track Electric Cafe (more of a bass-line on that occassion). Imagination 0 : 1 Technologie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) (off topic) Funkstoerung Date: 02 Jun 1998 13:34:20 EDT Ich meine da=DF jede Band die mittlerweile in deutschsprachigen M=E4rkten= mit=0Aeinem Namen wie zB. "Funkst=F6rung" auftritt sicherlich bewu=DFt d= arauf hinzielt=0Ada=DF dieser auch "fremdsprachlich" interpretiert wird. Das gleiche gilt z.B. f=FCr 'Funker Vogt'. Du brauchst dir nur die derzeit massiv popul=E4re Elektro- und HipHop Mus= ik mit=0A'deutschen' Texten anzuh=F6ren: Ein bewu=DFtsein fremder Sprach= en (insbesondere=0AEnglisch) ist eine mittlerweile eine Selbstverst=E4ndl= ichkeit unter deutschen=0A(bzw. deutschprachigen) Interpreten. Das war halt schon beim Falco so ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) What To Look For At The Show Date: 02 Jun 1998 13:42:52 EDT Look to see whether Florian carries on a large black file to his console. It may contain infos on patches, sounds... maybe even what notes to play. Also, try to work out if they actually "play" any lines live. You might find Ralf playing, eg. the TEE lead line manually, everything else is sequenced to hell. Finally, look to see if any of them smile. Let us know ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Mad Docs and Englishmen Date: 02 Jun 1998 18:47:52 +0000 At 5:32 pm +0100 2/6/98, Jon Alsbury wrote: >How strange - as an Englishman, and a fan of both, I can assure >you I've never heard anyone refer to Kraftwerk as "Dr Who music"! Neither have I. Maybe someone did once, but probably just the once... At 5:46 pm +0100 2/6/98, Matthew Brown (The Data Base - Nottm.) wrote: >I bumped into Ralf in the toilets backstage (no George Michael >references, please) a few hours before their show at Leicester Poly >1992. I said hello and held my hand out to be shaken George wouldn't have shaken your hand either... O:-) K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 02 Jun 1998 11:32:29 -0700 >I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). >And I must tell a bad infomation. > >.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) Rats. No audience participation? I was afraid of that. It was reported that they didn't let anyone push buttons at any of their gigs last year either. bummer. :[ But, did it SOUND good? How were the accoustics? -(Some buildings have BAD sound, no matter how good the band plays. It all depends on how the building is shaped, etc.)- Details! Details!*HeeHee*! PS: Today is Election Day for most of us here in the USA. Don't forget to VOTE. Blah- blah- blah. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: (kw) Hello fellow Kraftwerk friends Date: 02 Jun 1998 15:02:51 -0400 I also am new to this list and I am very happy that there are other devoted fans out in the world like me. Please forgive me if this was posted before but here is a wonderful web site that will translate english to german & german to english as well as other languages.It is free & very useful.. http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? I can't wait till the concert on the 13th in NYC.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) SONAR Date: 02 Jun 1998 22:21:32 +0000 I've been told by the press staff at SONAR that the one-day tickets will be made available during this week. The 3-day tickets have been available for some days now. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kasp@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de Subject: (kw) Der dritte Punkt ? Date: 02 Jun 1998 22:47:34 +0200 Hi Does anybody know, what mean the third blinking point on the www.kraftwerk.com/konzert3.html in Europe? Spain , Dk, and .... ??? what about germany ? do they really don't play there ? ist das nur der frankfurter Flughafen ???? ;-) Press Reset for a better life !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Wied (308389)" Subject: Re: (kw) Der dritte Punkt ? Date: 02 Jun 1998 23:04:21 +0200 Sieht nach Paris aus! Looks a bit like Paris?! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Der dritte Punkt ? Date: 02 Jun 1998 23:40:50 +0200 Hi In my opinion it's Dusseldorf. / Ich glaube da=DF es D=FC=DFeldorf ist. /Joakim -----Original Message----- Hi=20 Does anybody know, what mean the third blinking point on the www.kraftwerk.com/konzert3.html in Europe? Spain , Dk, and .... ??? what about germany ? do they really don't = play there ? ist das nur der frankfurter Flughafen ???? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:56:24 -0400 OK, before we all get overexcited with reports from the KW concerts which= are happening NOW in some far corners of this world, I thought I let you all now what the latest info is on this official (or should that be semi-official) Live-CD. A friend of mine who works at the local record company here in Switzerlan= d got a promo copy of it last week ( he just got the CD without an actual case or tracklisting ...) Here are all the details he could tell me: 4 Tracks (He told me he heard Autobahn and Kometenmelodie, in the recordi= ng a KW member is heard saying "We have some proplem with ze electronic drumkit"...) Playing Time: ca. 46 min Label: Ranch Records Cat Nr: Cranch 4 The CD itself is a picture CD with the cover of the TEE Album printed on= it. Sound quality is perfect!! Official release should be around next week.. Here some additional info: Apparently this Ranch Records Label was set up= by an ex-employee of the Music For Nations label and specializes in Live Recordings. Their first release was a Roxy Music Live Gig (Cranch 1), the= 2nd should have been a Metallica one, but this has been pulled back as pe= r request from Metallica. Apparently these CD's were already pressed just waiting to be delivered... There also seems to be a Judas Priest CD around, if anyone cares :-) My guess is that KW will never approve this Live CD an will stop distribution as soon as they find out about it. So when you see a copy of= this little item GRAB IT AND DON'T LET LOOSE! Liebe Gruesse Roland = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Provost Subject: RE: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 02 Jun 1998 21:41:16 -0400 >I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). >And I must tell a bad infomation. > >.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) I have a simple solution... Bring your own Pocket Calculator ! Just pull it out and press that button throughout the entire konzert. By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Hot butter Date: 02 Jun 1998 23:11:44 -0400 "A New Chamber" by Hot Butter is the latest Wu-Tang offshoot, mainly instrumental compositions by the latest RZA proteges, on C&S Records. Check out the cut featuring 5 Venomz (Who just signed to A&M/PolyGram)!!!! WU-TANG KILLAH BEEZ ON A SWARM!!!! And again, it's called "hip-hop," not "rap," despite what the categorizing pundits may think. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Boarding Spacelab Date: 02 Jun 1998 22:00:01 -0700 My KW pilgrimage begins tomorrow at 4:00 AM as I depart Santa Fe, NM to fly to Burbank (Hollywood) CA to kiss the feet (robotic appendages?) of KW. I'm leaving a little early as I planned a 10 day stay in WeHo. I hope I find an internet Electric Cafe! To those who attend the Palladium concert....don't forget to check out the antenna towers on the Hollywood hillside! Sooooo Kraftwerk! I hope to meet some of you on the mailing and Konvoy list. File done! "I'm the antenna catching vibration You're the transmitter give information I'm the transmitter I give information You're the antenna catching vibration" http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 03 Jun 1998 09:38:01 EDT In a message dated 6/2/1998 11:00:18 AM, you wrote: << >In One sentence or less, how do you guys feel about the new KW tracks? They seem a bit unfinished. /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm I'm sorry: I'm missing this. Did Kraftwerk release something new? If so, on what label, of what catalog number, please? Best, HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@slab.ntt.co.jp (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo (No SPOILERS yet. ;-) ) Date: 03 Jun 1998 12:23:43 +0900 At 2 Jun 1998 11:32:29 -0700, "ROBOT" wrote: >>.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) > >Rats. No audience participation? I was afraid of that. YES! audience participation was there, on another song. Ralf sang wrong at DENTAKU in front of bunch of experts of Japanese language, and we became his teachers & kept on singing & shouting! 8-))) ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: Re: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 03 Jun 1998 01:49:58 PDT Roland wrote: >4 Tracks (He told me he heard Autobahn and Kometenmelodie, in the recordi= >ng >a KW member is heard saying "We have some proplem with ze electronic >drumkit"...) >Playing Time: ca. 46 min >Label: Ranch Records >Cat Nr: Cranch 4 >The CD itself is a picture CD with the cover of the TEE Album printed on it. Hey, sounds exactly like the CD I bought in a second hand record shop three weeks ago. It featured a live recording from 1975 where they played Ruckzuck, Kometenmelodie 1 & 2 and Autobahn. The cover is a photo from the TEE era, and they have some problems before playing Autobahn. I do not have the record here (I'm at work) so I can not check what label it is, but it sure sounds like it could be the same, couldn't it? In that case it's not a new one... Could it be a re-release? /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) More braindumps about Kraftwerk Date: 02 Jun 1998 18:05:02 EDT In a message dated 98-06-02 11:00:17 EDT, monoton@hotmail.com writes: << Yes, the german version records are actually much better. Ralf's singing has got a better flow to it, and even the vocoded voices seem "softer". Further, some of the english versions seem a bit clumsy translated, like in The Model f ex. They have even removed the part where Ralf screams "KORREKT!" (Sie trinkt im Nachtklubs immer Sekt, korrekt) and replaced >> I find the german version of "The Robots" frightening. I was watching the video of it, and I had to turn it off because it was tooooo scary ;) EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Broomster" Subject: Re: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 03 Jun 1998 09:38:02 +0100 This CD will be available online from June 12th thru www.cdzone.co.uk for 15GBP plus postage and packing. The cat number is CDVX2001 I hope this will help some of you get hold of this album.. Please note I have *no* connection with cdzone... Mike Broom, Hull , England http://come.to/hull "if ya wanna job well done, contact the broomster!" Save Loch Rannoch - http://www.jakenet.demon.co.uk -----Original Message----- My guess is that KW will never approve this Live CD an will stop distribution as soon as they find out about it. So when you see a copy of this little item GRAB IT AND DON'T LET LOOSE! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CADBOT Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 03 Jun 1998 01:25:53 -0500 Looking for a pocket calculator? Here's a few up for auction: (URL may wrap): http://search.ebay.com/cgi-bin/texis/ebay/results.html?query=pocket+calculator&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=100&SortProperty=MetaEndSort Joel Provost wrote: > >I'm back from the concert on 6/12 at BLITZ(Tokyo). > >And I must tell a bad infomation. > > > >.......Nobody can push the botton of the pocket calculator. :) > I have a simple solution... > > Bring your own Pocket Calculator ! > Just pull it out and press that button throughout the entire konzert. > > By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dorthe Cohrs Subject: (kw) NY Date: 03 Jun 1998 10:45:38 EDT Der Countdown laeuft: nur noch 10 Tage, dann ist die Kraft am Werk in New York. Wirklich komisch, dass dieses Konzert noch nicht ausverkauft ist. Noch verwunderlicher ist, dass ziemlich viele aus Richmond nach New York zu Kraftwerk fahren. Haette ich nicht gedacht. Na, egal. Also, Leute, was ist nun mit Party oder wenigstens Treffen in New York. Welche Clubs/Cafes/Stellen sind zu empfehlen? Counting down: 10 days till Kraftwerk will play in New York. I find it quite puzzling that the concert is not sold out yet. Even more wondrous is that quite a few people from Richmond will drive to New York to see Kraftwerk. Wouldn't have expected that. Anyway. Okay, people. What's going on with a Party or at least a meeting before the show. And which clubs, cafes, places would you recommend. My e-mail if you don't want to e-mail the whole list: s0dcohrs@titan.vcu.edu. Ciao, Diz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Der dritte Punkt ? Date: 03 Jun 1998 11:32:33 EDT D=FCsseldorf... Kling Klang. Center of the universe ?=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: (kw) Dentaku -> Pocket Calculator Date: 03 Jun 1998 09:40:45 PDT Just out of curiosity, how does Dentaku precisely translate? I know that most song don't translate word for word and I wondered if P.C. was the same. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TAKAGI, Shigeto" Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 04 Jun 1998 02:03:12 +0900 M=E5ns Sj=F6strand wrote: > How about a little review? OK. = But I can't review in detail. Because of my poor English. :) *)about 2 hours. *)they changed costumes once. *)a robot make a mistake at machine operation. = *)it is easy to guess what the beginning number and the last musique. p.s. Chernobyl,Hiroshima,.. is in the words but pakistan and india is not. Regards, TAKAGI, Shigeto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: (kw) the new stuff Date: 03 Jun 1998 19:35:49 +0200 Marc Houle wrote: >In One sentence or less, how do you guys feel about the new KW tracks? IMHO the new tracks are OK ! I´m looking forward to the new album. KRAFTWERK hat Euch lieb ! KRAFTWERK loves you ! Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 03 Jun 1998 14:18:15 EDT German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Hamburg-Bound Train Traveling at 125 mph When it Hit Car By CLAUS-PETER TIEMANN .c The Associated Press HANOVER, Germany (June 3) - Germany's fastest, most expensive passenger train derailed today, killing 80 people and injuring hundreds of others as section after section of the train flipped off the tracks and plowed into a railroad overpass. The Munich-to-Hamburg train was traveling at 125 mph as it approached the Eschede station in northern Germany when at least 13 cars derailed. The force of the high-speed pileup threw train cars into the air and collapsed the overpass. Several rail cars were demolished, and splintered glass covered the site 35 miles north of Hanover. Luggage was piled next to the wreckage as workers struggled to pry passengers from the twisted steel frames of the train cars. More than 800 emergency workers, including trauma surgeons, converged on the scene. The death toll was expected to rise, Christian Krettek of University Hospital in Hanover told CNN. The high-speed ICE train, which carried at least 350 passengers, costs more than regular trains and is used mostly by business people as a fast way to travel between Germany's major cities. The cause of the accident, which occurred just before 11 a.m., remained unclear. Police spokesman Joachim Lindenberg said it appeared that the train hit the overpass, collapsing it and sending a car parked on the overpass onto the tracks. The car belonged to a rail employee who was working along the tracks, Lindenberg told German television ARD. He said anyone that close to the accident could not have survived. Earlier reports, based on witness accounts to authorities, suggested that the car had plunged from the overpass into the train, causing it to derail. Views of the wreckage offered no clear clue as to what caused the accident. The nose of the train had cleared the bridge, while the cars behind derailed and jackknifed into each other. Regional officials said 80 people were confirmed dead, 200 people were seriously injured, and about 100 suffered light injuries. A crane was brought in to lift chunks of the crumpled overpass so workers could reach the rail cars. Rescue workers in orange jumpsuits collected the dead, laying out their covered bodies on stretchers in a grassy field near the tracks. Fleets of ambulances transported the seriously injured to hospitals and Red Cross buses took other survivors to Hamburg. The accident was the worst on Germany's premier high-speed ICE line, which was inaugurated in 1991, and the deadliest in western Germany since World War II. It stopped rail traffic in both directions. ''(We are) deeply dismayed and horrified by the proportions of this accident,'' said one top rail official, Deutsche Bahn executive Johannes Ludewig. Federal Transport Minister Matthias Wissmann and German railway executives rushed to the scene, while the German border patrol sent helicopters and troops to help emergency efforts. Soldiers from a British army base at Herford, 80 miles away, were also called in. The high-speed ICE are Germany's fastest trains, transporting 65,000 passengers daily. They connect all major German cities at speeds up to 175 mph - slightly slower than the Japanese bullet trains' top speed of 185 mph. The fastest U.S. trains hit speeds of 125 mph as they run between New York and Washington, Amtrak said. Germany's deadliest train accident since World War II came in 1967, when 94 people were killed after a barrier closed on a rail tanker filled with gasoline, causing it to explode. The country's last serious train accident occurred in 1975, when 41 people were killed in the head-on collision of two express trains in Bavaria. AP-NY-06-03-98 1252EDT Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 03 Jun 1998 20:19:42 +0100 [snip] terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Coma" Date: 03 Jun 1998 21:39:28 +0000 > Another thing : a friend of mine has the promo of Coma with the Bartos mix, > but I saw a CD single without this mix. Is it available on CD ? There are two promo versions of the CD single. Both feature a Quicktime video clip with an edited version of the Bartos remix. The uncut version is not available on CD. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 03 Jun 1998 21:07:06 -0700 [snip] >terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk?< I agree 100% - this is terrible news, but what is the Kraftwerk connection? mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 03 Jun 1998 22:15:14 +0200 > >[snip] > >>terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk?< > >I agree 100% - this is terrible news, but what is the Kraftwerk connection? > Straight connection......T.E.E. (Just black humour but I couldn't resist) *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Wang Subject: (kw) Hollywood Opening Act? Date: 03 Jun 1998 13:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Hello, Kraftwerkers. Does anyone know who the opening act will be at the Hollywood Palladium? I would like to know if they are worth arriving early for. Thanks a lot. Ken. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 03 Jun 1998 22:16:46 +0200 Does anybody know the track list for Tokio Concert? C'mon, TAKAGI, Shigeto - tell us a little more! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo: "Musica Obscura" Date: 03 Jun 1998 23:17:47 +0000 I've heard that the "Mosquito" remix by Steve Baltes, which is featured on the Yamo EP "Musica Obscura - Guiding Ray", is different to the version used as a bonus track on the Japanese edition of the "Time Pie" album ("Mosquito Groove Club Mix Steve Baltes", running time: 5:19"). Is anybody able to confirm this? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Buck" Subject: (kw) Fw: Kraftwerk contacts Date: 03 Jun 1998 18:03:05 -0400 ---------- > From: Chris Buck > To: andrew48@gti.net > Subject: Kraftwerk contacts > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 5:50 PM > > l'm trying to get in contact with people connected to the Kraftwerk U.S. > tour to arrange to photograph them. Do you have any idea where to start? > > I'm a recent fan of the band and would find it a small treat to do pictures > with them. I'm a professional photographer based in New York but I could > probably best connect with them in San Francisco (June 7th). Am I dreamin'? > Let me know as soon as you can if you know what record label they are > currently with or if they are working with a promoter here for the tour. > > thanks, > > Chris Buck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 04 Jun 1998 02:25:51 +0200 >But I can't review in detail. >Because of my poor English. :) ok, then whistle the songs and encode it on an mpeg file... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 04 Jun 1998 02:06:14 +0200 >Interesting, although I prefer to listen to Download, Lars Stroschen or >even Parmegiani. I heard about download, even if I never listened to them, but I don't know anything of the latter two, could you tell something? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo (No SPOILERS yet. ;-) ) Date: 04 Jun 1998 02:23:55 +0200 >Ralf sang wrong at DENTAKU in front of bunch of experts of did he? so it's not all playback, at last... :-) please, what about the songlist? other new songs? >Japanese language, and we became his teachers & kept on >singing & shouting! 8-))) yeah, well done! did he repeat right? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Fonda Subject: (kw) KW in Hollywood Date: 03 Jun 1998 20:19:12 -0300 Some skimpy info. about the Hollywood Palladium concert next Monday the 8th: The recording at the Palladium phone line is still the same from a week ago ... I hate that!! It just says "opening acts will be announced approx. one week prior to the show". So I called Ticketmaster and talked to a real person... he said "there is no opening act... it's a whole evening with just Kraftwerk". I asked when they would likely be starting and ending... he said "the doors open at 6:30 and close at 11:00... that's all he knows." Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kojis@venus.dti.ne.jp (SUGAWARA Koji) Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 04 Jun 1998 08:32:50 +0900 At 10:16 PM 98.06.03, Luca Dassi wrote: > Does anybody know the track list for Tokio Concert? > C'mon, TAKAGI, Shigeto - tell us a little more! 98.06.03 Tokio Concert Track List 01. Numbers 02. Computer World 03. Home Computer 04. The Man Machine 05. Tour De France 06. Autobahn 07. The Model 08. Air Waves (intro) - New Song 1 09. Radioactivity 10. Trans Europe Express 11. Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU 12. The Robots 13. New Song 2 14. Music Non Stop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: (kw) Tokyo concerts questions. Date: 03 Jun 1998 18:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Is there an opening act by another group (which one is it) or is it only KW? Is there an intermission or is it a continuous show? Are they doing encores? How many songs? Which "official" songs are they playing? Are they doing any "new" songs? _Please_ let the "world wide werkers" know! == Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) MIDI files Date: 03 Jun 1998 22:11:40 EDT Hi. Does anyone know a good w-site for Kraftwerk MIDI files? Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) New set list 98 tour Date: 03 Jun 1998 22:39:55 EDT Same old stuff Droped the wacky 2ndzkm song for the model what a change.. maybe they will paly 2ndzkm tonight or something new Nahhhh who wants change its only been 11 years E Q # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) San Jose Mercury News Kraftwerk Story Date: 03 Jun 1998 21:21:20 -0700 The upcoming Kraftwerk San Francisco show is featured in the San Jose Mercury News, Entertainment Section, page 12E, June 3, 1998. The article features large photos from the inside of Electric Cafe and the front (US) cover of Trans Europe Express. It is titled, "Music that sends the listener soaring--3 top 'art rock' bands bring addictive sounds to area to treat minds and ears." The three bands profiled are Kraftwerk, Ozric Tentacles, and Tortoise. I'm emailing the author for permission to quote from the article. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 03 Jun 1998 21:31:39 -0700 > abzug wrote: > terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? And with all of the sesitivity of a "complete" asshole too! Beautiful... Bill __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Joly Subject: (kw) san jose mercury article Date: 04 Jun 1998 06:53:55 -0400 (EDT) that kraftwerk article is on the web, found it at : http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/ent/docs/humpday3.htm -- rjoly@cam.org ALL NEWS YOKO ON ONOWEB: http://www.cam.org/~rjoly/yoko/onoweb.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Kraftwerk covered by U96 questions. Date: 04 Jun 1998 15:01:06 +0000 Found at rec.music.industrial: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hey there, I managed to catch a German top 50 video show a few days ago. At number 29 or so was the traditional German techno group U96 doing a cover of the pioneering German group Kraftwerk's song "Energie." I can't remember clearly, but I believe the host may have said that the new U96 album consisted entirely of covered Kraftwerk songs. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos Jose Quinteiro Subject: RE: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 04 Jun 1998 11:28:00 -0300 > Fellows KWians; > > This CD appears to be just an official (?) release of the bootleg > Kommentenmelodie...the three tracks can be found also in the > bootlegs versions (non-Germanophon) of KW1, KW2 and > R&F. The sound of the boot is 7 out of 10, I don't know if > the new release is better... > > Bye!! > > begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(@,.`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06``P`.````S@<&``0` M"P`<````!``*`0$@@`,`#@```,X'!@`$``L`'`````0`"@$!"8`!`"$````X M.#`Y,SL"@P!0$P-4`@!C M:`K`01U@:*\=L`;@&A`?0&<;=DL#<%\'@`(P"?`'@!60 M9`B0+E\B`!_2']`)T1U@<@#0:QT$(&,#D1VA`A!U;F3Y'.!L=05`'Z$7T"?@22!D]0(@)P5` M:R9P!^`&D!MV_1_2;@?1'R8`#!``0````<```!#05),3U,```,`&4`` M`````P#]/^0$```"`4<``0```#````!C/4)2.V$]1D=6.W`]14%%4U`[;#U% M04534$Y4+3DX,#8P-#$T,C@P,%HM,38P-0`"`?D_`0```$L`````````W*=` MR,!"$!JTN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+T\]14%%4U`@7T9'5B]/53U%04534"]# M3CU214-)4$E%3E13+T-./4-!4DQ/4P``'@#X/P$````6````0V%R;&]S($IO M`#T``0````4```!213H@`````!X` M'0X!````+0```"AK=RD@2U<@:6YF;R!O;B!N97<@*'-E;6DM*2!O9F9I8VEA M;"!,259%($-$`````!X`-1`!````.````#PY-#E$.3E#,40P1$)$,3$Q030Y M,#`P.#`U1D$V1$-#,3`U.4,W,T!E865S<"YF9W9S<"YB Subject: (kw) Who's going to Roskilde? Date: 04 Jun 1998 04:36:55 PDT I know that this question has been asked before, but I'd like to update it once more: IS ANYONE ON THIS LIST GOING TO ROSKILDE TO SEE KW? I'm going there, and it would perhaps be fun to meet up with some fellow webring members. peace /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) u96 ra-file Date: 04 Jun 1998 15:57:50 +0200 IMHO u96 do some pseudo-elktro-style music. they (actually it's just one = guy: alexander christensen) does always that kind of music which is hip. = as=20 elektro has come back into the clubs in germany, he would do naturally = some=20 kind of elektro.... there is a short excerpt of u96's energie at=20 http://www.motor.de/_shortHTML/U96-energie.html which has NOTHING to do=20 with KW i think.... regards, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Klaus Zaepke [SMTP:fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 4. Juni 1998 17:01 An: kraftwerk@xmission.com Betreff: (kw) (Fwd) Kraftwerk covered by U96 questions. Found at rec.music.industrial: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hey there, I managed to catch a German top 50 video show a few days ago. At number 29 or so was the traditional German techno group U96 doing a cover of the pioneering German group Kraftwerk's song "Energie." I can't remember clearly, but I believe the host may have said that the new U96 album consisted entirely of covered Kraftwerk songs. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original=20 sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ:=20 http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New la! NEU? 2-CD Date: 04 Jun 1998 15:01:07 +0000 > > From the new Captain Trip Records mailorder catalogue: > > CTCD-100/101 La! NEU? / Cha Cha 2000 - Live in Tokyo (2-CD) $ 32.00 > > Description: "'Cha Cha 2000' is 1 h 45 min for one song! with big > > colour poster cover." > > I received the catalogue also, in Japanese customer version. It says > it is recorded live at "On Air West" (Shibuya Tokyo), on 3/Dec/1996. > I was at the hall also. They played only five or six songs, for FOUR > hours. The album is now out. The CD's are mispressed. Part 1 is on disc 2, part 2 is on disc 1. The sleeve states "Live in Tokyo Vol. 1", so there seem to be plans for a "Vol. 2" with the rest of the concert. Line-up: Rembrandt Lensink: Grand piano, synth, vox, perc. Viktoria Wehrmeister: Vox + tambourine Konstantin Wienstroer: Bass + contrabass Dirk Flader: Guitar Markus Hofmann: Drums Thomas Klein: Drums Andreas Reihse: Keyboard, synth, elektro Klaus Dinger: Vox, guitar, bamboes, belle, gong, trad. japanese drum, minimix, tape, effects, rapman. Some more Klaus Dinger - related news, quoted from the CD booklet: "Internet: http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/ mucke/dinger.html (coming soon: [how M. Rother smashed] a million-dollar-deal for NEU! after 8 years of negotiations + court battles)?" "la! D. classics currently not available in Germany because of legal dispute with warner music / east west". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Date: 04 Jun 1998 17:40:08 +0000 From http://www.mtv.com: 6.4.98 10:00 EDT Radiohead, Pearl Jam To Close Tibetan Freedom Concerts As Daily Schedules Set Fans heading to Washington, DC, on June 13 and 14 for this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert may want to take note of the order of performances for each day, the schedule of which was just formalized by the event's promoters. The last artist making the Tibetan line-up is Money Mark, the Beastie Boys' keyboardist who recently released a solo album, "Push the Button" (see "'Fourth Beastie Boy' Cashes In..."), who will be the first musical performer. Concert-goers may want to arrive to the show a few minutes early, as there's always the chance that special guests may turn-up for impromptu performances, much like Eddie Vedder and Mike McCready of Pearl Jam did at last year's event (see "Pearl Jam Joins R.E.M. For Tibet") As in years past, Tibetan monks and nuns will open and close the concert with prayers slated to be delivered at noon and 7:30 p.m on both days. The schedule for this year's Tibetan Freedom Concert: Saturday, June 13: Opening: Monks & Nuns Money Mark Mutabaruka Wei Jingsheng (speaker) Live Chaksam-Pa Patti Smith KRS-One Palden Gyatso (speaker) Dave Matthews Herbie Hancock and Guru with theHeadhunters Tracy Chapman Sonic Youth Drepung Loseling Monks R.E.M. Beck Radiohead Closing: Monks & Nuns Sunday, June 14: Opening: Monks & Nuns Buffalo Daughter Sean Lennon Xiao Qiang (speaker) Pulp Luscious Jackson Nawang Khechog Blues Traveler Palden Gyatso (speaker) Wyclef Jean Kraftwerk The Wallflowers A Tribe Called Quest Drepung Loseling Monks The Verve Beastie Boys Pearl Jam Closing: Monks & Nuns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Roskilde Festival Date: 04 Jun 1998 17:48:25 +0000 According to http://www.uradio.ku.dk/musik/roskilde98/#bands, the Kraftwerk gig in Roskilde starts at 21:30, and not at 22:00, as originally announced. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Die With Dignity Date: 04 Jun 1998 15:01:07 +0000 > The first Die With Dignity album "Kraut?" (Captain Trip, CT CD-098) > is presented by Klaus Dinger / La! NEU?. Die With Dignity have WWW pages at > http://www.ping.de/sites/perry/die.htm. The album is now out. Klaus Dinger is credited for consultation, and he receives "special thanks (...) for his efforts and advice". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Broomster" Subject: Re: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 04 Jun 1998 13:58:18 +0100 >And just what is the name of the CD? This Cat Number is for something >TOTALLY unrelated to Kraftwerk! I know.. I screwed up with the cat number... Kraftwerk Concert Classics =A37.80 CRANCH4 is the one you want I believe.... Sorry if I messed you all about... Mike Broom, Hull # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TAKAGI, Shigeto" Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 05 Jun 1998 01:17:30 +0900 Sorry but I can't whistle. :-) SUGAWARA Koji wrote: > At 10:16 PM 98.06.03, Luca Dassi wrote: > > Does anybody know the track list for Tokio Concert? > > C'mon, TAKAGI, Shigeto - tell us a little more! I'm coming. ;) I suppose track list on 6/2 is as same as follows. open:18:00,start:19:00 but I arrived at 19:10. So I don't know "Is there any an opening act by another group ?". > 98.06.03 Tokio Concert Track List > > 01. Numbers > 02. Computer World > 03. Home Computer > 04. The Man Machine > 05. Tour De France > 06. Autobahn > 07. The Model > 08. Air Waves (intro) - New Song 1 some trouble. > 09. Radioactivity > 10. Trans Europe Express curtain closed. > 11. Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU curtain closed. curtain opend but there are nobody. > 12. The Robots curtain closed. they changed the costume for New Song 2. > 13. New Song 2 > 14. Music Non Stop Regards, TAKAGI, Shigeto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josef Gabler Subject: Re: (kw) Introducing a new member Date: 04 Jun 1998 18:33:21 +0200 On 01.06.98 at 10:44, Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de wrote:=20 =20 >Hi Friends !=20 =20 > ...KRAFTWERK-fan since I was=20 >at the age of four. =20 =20 =B0 Hallo Gunnar!=20 =20 =B0 "age of four"??=20 =B0 Wie bist Du denn in diesem Alter an solche Musik rangekommen?=20 =20 . I=B4m so glad, I can tell you. I=B4ve got a rich=20 >KRAFTWERK-collection of music, photos, articles, posters, etc. =20 =B0 Alles selbst zusammengetragen?=20 =B0 Gibt es darin auch was doppelt/dreifaches zum vertauschen?=20 I=B4m=20 >only waiting for something new from "The House Of Kling-Klang" and=20 >of course I like connecting other KRAFTWERK-fans. =20 =B0 Keine Ursache :-)=20 >KRAFTWERK IS MY LIFE !=20 =B0 Wie sieht das aus?=20 =B0 Gr=FCsse =20 --josef (wien)=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CADBOT Subject: Re: (kw) Die With Dignity Date: 04 Jun 1998 10:20:04 -0500 Are you sure `Jack' Kevorkian isn't the author of this mix also? Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > The first Die With Dignity album "Kraut?" (Captain Trip, CT CD-098) > > is presented by Klaus Dinger / La! NEU?. Die With Dignity have WWW pages at > > http://www.ping.de/sites/perry/die.htm. > > The album is now out. Klaus Dinger is credited for consultation, and > he receives "special thanks (...) for his efforts and advice". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:25:20 +0200 TAKAGI, Shigeto wrote: > 98.06.03 Tokio Concert Track List > > Numbers -Computer World -Home Computer -The Man Machine > Tour De France -Autobahn -The Model -Air Waves (intro) -New Song 1 > some trouble. Probably they need to spend some more time rehearsing... how about a year or two? > Radioactivity -Trans Europe Express -Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU > The Robots -New Song 2 -Music Non Stop How exciting....2 songs added in 10 years.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:23:01 -0700 >> abzug wrote: >> terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? > Bill wrote:=09 >And with all of the sesitivity of a "complete" asshole too!=20 >Beautiful... To conclude on this issue I would like to on behalf of all fellow = European list members offer our deepest sympathies to our German = cousins, especially those immediately affected by this terrible = disaster. The insensitive thing was to post the message and then for people to = draw analogies with TEE. THAT WAS SICK.=20 Coming from a country that has suffered a number of transport disasters = in recent years my thought are with you during this difficult time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) FM Einheit Date: 04 Jun 1998 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) I don't know if this has been mentioned on the list before, but there is an interesting use of TEE on the 1997 album from FM Einheit (formerly of Einzurstende Neubaten), DEUTSCHE KRIEGER. The album uses authentic audio recordings to draw audio portraits of three famous "German warriors": Kaiser Wilhelm II, Adolf Hitler and Ulrike Meinhof. One of the segments of "Adolf Hitler Enterprise" features a famous Wehrmacht radio broadcast from Christmas 1942 in which simultaneous transmissions were made from all over the Reich, which at that time was at its point of greatest expansion. In the background can be heard, quite clearly, a nice remix of TEE, followed by "Metal on Metal." ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jackie lee Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 05 Jun 1998 03:31:20 +0900 hello. i'm jackie, new to this mailing list. i also went see kraftwerk in tokyo on the day first (2nd june). as TAKAGI mentions, the set list of the 1st day was exactly the same as the 2nd day. TAKAGI, Shigeto wrote: > I suppose track list on 6/2 is as same as follows. > open:18:00,start:19:00 but I arrived at 19:10. > So I don't know "Is there any an opening act by another group ?". > there was NO opening acts. well-mannered audiences were just waiting quietly for the curtains up. i picked up the info on at the ticket master on the web that dj's going to open for the new york show though. > > 98.06.03 Tokio Concert Track List > > > > 01. Numbers > > 02. Computer World > > 03. Home Computer > > 04. The Man Machine > > 05. Tour De France > > 06. Autobahn > > 07. The Model > > 08. Air Waves (intro) - New Song 1 > > some trouble. i'm not aware of how they play their song on the stage, i mean if they use DAT or hard disk recorder or MIDI syncronizing, but i guess it was disc/sync trouble or something. the first sound shot of the next song jumped and looped like "di di di di ", like a digital jumping as you play the bad cd on your cd player. also the video on the screen was freezed. there were sentences on the screen "(something) kg of the plutonium is produced every year in (something)" appeared (obviously freezed) while fixing. it took 30 to 40 seconds to fix it right. the 2 guys in the center (sorry i don't know of them. guys but ralph and florian) did something at the center console around the 2 computers. my friend who went to the 2nd day said that there was same kind of trouble on the day 2nd at the very beginning of the show. he said it took about 5 minutes to set it up straight. > > 09. Radioactivity > > 10. Trans Europe Express > > curtain closed. > > > 11. Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU > > curtain closed. > curtain opend but there are nobody. > > > 12. The Robots > this was the most craziest and coolest moment on the show that nobody was on the stage on The Robots and there was lighting blinking on the console. nobody but kraftwerk does like this at an encore, don't you think? nobody on the stage and just the computer plays the music. sooooooo cool. > curtain closed. > they changed the costume for New Song 2. > the same outfit as showed on the kraftwerk.com a while ago. luminous stitch over their bodies looked like emitted over the black light. > > 13. New Song 2 > > 14. Music Non Stop the computer voice "music, non stop" was repeated over and over after the curtains down. it was just brilliant and almost like religious moment to me. the show was so great that i told all my friend to go to the show even if they have to pay double or tripple of the ticket fee for the reselled ticket. (all the shows were sold out.) one of my friend tried to get a ticket from the ticket resellers (some kind of mafia/yakuza hang about around the venue) but he gave it up because he was acquired $300 to $740. (the original price was $60.) he saw the young business man paid $300 for the ticket.. mmmm. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 04 Jun 1998 14:55:27 EDT << How exciting....2 songs added in 10 years.... I know I bet you they have an lps worth or more of new songs from the 90s but are not going to unvail them until the album is due out . I dont think they want to let the cat out of the bag so to speak becasue of constant remixing before pressing . Also (if any of you bealive me) I remeber at Linz this Italian fan asked Henning if they would play new songs. Henning siad yes *2* (zkm#1 and #2 )but they are infact old and that an new album release is uncertin -this out of the mouth of an offical kraftwerker . The three "new songs" I feel are old left overs they aborted in the early to mid 90s slightly fixed up for today. They perhaps are playing them just for the sake of playing new or unrealsed stuff. I bet they wont issue those new songs (luton zkm 1 & 2) AT ALL! Other than the little vid clip on www.kraftwerk.com They will let them stay only in the contex of a live show. ala.. Tour de france never getting a digital release . Does anyone else agree or not ? Oh and i like the new stuff anyway. E Q # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Die With Dignity Date: 04 Jun 1998 21:53:12 -0700 >> The first Die With Dignity album "Kraut?" (Captain Trip, CT CD-098) >> is presented by Klaus Dinger / La! NEU?. Die With Dignity have WWW pages at >> http://www.ping.de/sites/perry/die.htm. Klaus wrote: >The album is now out. Klaus Dinger is credited for consultation, and >he receives "special thanks (...) for his efforts and advice". Klaus, Is Dinger a personal friend of yours, or are you his press agent? Regards, Mode.123 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henrik Olsson Subject: Re: RE: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 04 Jun 1998 23:31:19 -0500 The bootleg "Super Golden Radio Shows No 10, Kraftwerk in concert 1975 (Record nr : SGRS010) also seems to be the same... /H. > > Fellows KWians; > > > > This CD appears to be just an official (?) release of the bootleg > > Kommentenmelodie...the three tracks can be found also in the > > bootlegs versions (non-Germanophon) of KW1, KW2 and > > R&F. The sound of the boot is 7 out of 10, I don't know if > > the new release is better... > > > > Bye!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: (kw) Lyrics Date: 04 Jun 1998 13:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Hi, I am new in the list. My name is Jose and I met Kraftwerk 12 years ago. I was watching TV when I saw a video clip of "Music non-stop". I had never heard before about that band. I was 16 by then and I used to listen to the usual teenager pop bands (A-ha, Europe...), although I didn't own a single record. But that video change my life, it was like a revelation to me. I ran to the record store to get the record, and that was the first record I ever bought. I still don't have a lot of Kraftwerk material, but I'll keep trying. I think Krafwerk is one of the best bands ever, and I dream with seeing them playing live, but that is out of question, at least by now. Recently I saw a message about Kraftwerk's lyrics. Somebody said they were more poetic in German. Well, I don't understand German, and I also have problems with English, but I think their lyrics are pretty shitty. Don't misunderstand me, I think they are a great band and I love their songs, but the words are pretty simple. I can get some poetic meaning in a few songs, like "showroom dummies", or even "tee"; I find the lyrics in "pocket calculator" really funny, but "the model", for example, has awful lyrics. They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" and the words in Spanish were terrible, especially in the song "sex object". I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tangram Subject: (kw) Detroit Concert Date: 03 Jun 1998 16:33:20 -0400 hello! is there any list of people going to detroit? who is goin? or where do we meet in Detroit? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 04 Jun 1998 18:00:21 EDT In a message dated 98-06-04 14:27:55 EDT, mode.123@virgin.net writes: << terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? >> About as much as the whole slew of messages posted about the disaster # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) new material and curtains Date: 04 Jun 1998 22:54:21 +0100 In message PRODUKT01@aol.com writes >I bet you they have an lps worth or more of new songs from the 90s but are not >going to unvail them until the album is due out . > >The three "new songs" I feel are old left overs they aborted in the early to >mid 90s slightly fixed up for today. They perhaps are playing them just for >the sake of playing new or unrealsed stuff. I bet they wont issue those new >songs (luton zkm 1 & 2) >AT ALL! > >Does anyone else agree or not ? > Yes, I agree. I think that they are just too scared of no longer seeming to be at the forefront of their field. Irrespective of the strong belief exhibited in them in this list - I think kraftwerk are right to be worried. It could well be argued that the music world has now taken on board what they have done in the past but has progressed beyond them through the work of younger performers. They are, in effect, two men over fifty who have played an enormously important part in the development of music but, as was clear at Tribal Gathering at least, today they are flocked to becuase of everything they have done in their past, not because of their ability to explore the future. But this is all somehow also appropriate - the past has played a very important part of their work. Instead of new dance tracks I wish that they would return to the future/retrospective influence of previous work (TEE - 1930's, MM - 1920's). This would still be different - the new work, very jolly though it is, isn't. In other words, the four of them in front of their computers in TEE 3-piece suits would be far more interesting, I think, than the black rubber with luminescent strips. However..... To those who are seeing them on this tour... Have they fixed the problem with the curtains? Both in '91 in Brixton and '97 at Tribal someone had to crawl along the top of the front of the set to reposition the curtains so that they would close/open properly. And both times the problem wasn't solved. And in any case, the loose curtains are antithetical to the polished metal of the set. Why not invest in a taught blind that goes up and down? Bless 'em! Philip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:25:36 EDT In a message dated 98-06-04 17:39:17 EDT, you write: << They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" >> I want a Spanish version of Electric Cafe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:58:34 EDT In a message dated 6/4/1998 5:39:17 PM, you wrote: << Hi, I am new in the list. My name is Jose and I met Kraftwerk 12 years ago. I was watching TV when I saw a video clip of "Music non-stop". I had never heard before about that band. I was 16 by then and I used to listen to the usual teenager pop bands (A-ha, Europe...), although I didn't own a single record. But that video change my life, it was like a revelation to me. I ran to the record store to get the record, and that was the first record I ever bought. I still don't have a lot of Kraftwerk material, but I'll keep trying. I think Krafwerk is one of the best bands ever, and I dream with seeing them playing live, but that is out of question, at least by now. Recently I saw a message about Kraftwerk's lyrics. Somebody said they were more poetic in German. Well, I don't understand German, and I also have problems with English, but I think their lyrics are pretty shitty. Don't misunderstand me, I think they are a great band and I love their songs, but the words are pretty simple. I can get some poetic meaning in a few songs, like "showroom dummies", or even "tee"; I find the lyrics in "pocket calculator" really funny, but "the model", for example, has awful lyrics. They released a Spanish version of "Electric cafe" and the words in Spanish were terrible, especially in the song "sex object". I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument. Jose Jose: Welcome to the list! I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as communicative and/or effective? Best, HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: RE: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 100 Date: 04 Jun 1998 20:20:42 EDT In a message dated 6/4/1998 2:27:55 PM, you wrote: << >> abzug wrote: >> terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? > Bill wrote: >And with all of the sesitivity of a "complete" asshole too! >Beautiful... To conclude on this issue I would like to on behalf of all fellow European list members offer our deepest sympathies to our German cousins, especially those immediately affected by this terrible disaster. The insensitive thing was to post the message and then for people to draw analogies with TEE. THAT WAS SICK. Coming from a country that has suffered a number of transport disasters in recent years my thought are with you during this difficult time. >> To all those who posted on this issue, and as the original poster of this story to the list: I would like to thank everyone who made a comment, counter or pro the posting, and including those who supplied humor; something often needed when things this horrible and evil happen. Our sympathies to the families, friends, and loved ones of the deceased and injured. May God be with you all. Best, Harry Allen Hip-Hop Activist & Media Assassin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Look out SF & LA, here comes ROBOT Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:11:09 -0700 "I left my brain- in San Fransisco...." Huh?? Am I DREAMING?? No shit- I'm actually going to see KRAFTWERK!! I'm SouthBound on the Greyhound Bus tomorrow morning at 10:45am out of Fortuna, CA. 'Got my bus tickets, Konzert tickets, Plane tickets, and, thanks to all the wonderful people who helped me out, and a local friend -(not even a Fan, just a really nice guy)- who bailed me out at the last minute, I won't be traveling with empty pockets. I'm not worthy. really. I wish I were RICH so I could pay everybody's way and not have to borrow money and be in debt forever.*sigh*. I'll never break even, but, it's WORTH it! Thank you, everyone! Ich liebe Dich! {{{{{{{{ROBOHUGS}}}}}}}} So, I'll be back Thursday. Too bad I don't have an auto responder thingy so I could automatically reply to all Emails that I'll be back the 11th. -(poking around)- Actually, there IS some kind of set up in my Inbox Assistant -(MSIE Outlook Express)-, but, it doesn't look like I can exclude specific addresses, such as Mail Lists. I don't want to muck up anyone's Email, so, I'll just leave it alone, let my Email pile up for 6 days, and try to answer everybody when I get back. You lucky guys in Tokyo- I heard some stories that made me cry: meeting Florian at Akasake-Mitsuke station, posing all buddy-buddy for pictures, and meeting him again the next night after the 2nd -(3rd?)- Konzert.*WAH-H-H*. some people have ALL the luck.*sigh*. I'm scoping out the flight scheduals at the airport!*HeeHee*! Tokyo/Honolulu- YEAH! There's their plane! There they are getting their luggage! "Pardon me, Sir, did you drop this? Oh- Florian!! Well, Hi!" *HeeHee* yeah, I'm definitely dreaming! Union Square Plaza Hotel, 432 Geary Christoph Marquardt & myself and a couple of other Fans will be staying there Sat & Sun night. PAAAAR-DEEE! I'll be arriving in SF around 6pm Friday. I don't know where I'll stay that night. MAYbe the Hotel le Nain, 730 Eddy. -(I wish I'd found it sooner. It's cheaper than Union Square Plaza. I have a Traveler's Discount Guide coupon book. $40 for 1 person.)- If there's something cheaper right there in the same neighborhood, that's where I'll be. I'll put a simple ROBOT logo drawing on the door/window of my room. Yeah. That'll WERK. Unless Ralf & Florian see it and RUN the other way!! uh-oh. nevermind. Hm-m-m, I wonder where they'll be staying & What plane will they be on.... :]]]] If all else fails, meet up in line before each venue. Yo, L-Aliens! PARTY at Kontrol Faktory 839 N. Highland after the Palladium gig. BE there!! -(I hope the band will show up- but, don't count on it. Numan showed up there the night before his show, so, anything's possible.)- ps: thanks to Richard Joly for the SJ Merc URL. -(The local Library doesn't carry it.)- Interesting. "Missing KRAFTWERK is verboten!" Jawohl! I can take or leave most of the rest of the article.*snicker*. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.humboldt1.com/~robot/ ROBOT's Silly Sektor of CyberSpace +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K=K R A F T W E R K= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Look out SF & LA, here comes ROBOT Date: 04 Jun 1998 20:15:12 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, ROBOT wrote: > Huh?? Am I DREAMING?? No shit- I'm actually going to see KRAFTWERK!! > I'm SouthBound on the Greyhound Bus tomorrow morning at 10:45am out of > Fortuna, CA. 'Got my bus tickets, Konzert tickets, Plane tickets, and, Enjoy the show, folks. You have my jealousy. Someone sneak in a video camera for me! :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) San Jose Mercury News Article Quoted Date: 04 Jun 1998 22:22:48 -0700 Brad Kava, the author of the San Jose Mercury News article, is going to the concert and gave me permission to quote the article! So here it is (though you all now have the web page courtesy of Richard Joly): http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/ent/docs/humpday3.htm. Published Wednesday, June 3, 1998, in the San Jose Mercury News HUMPDAY BY BRAD KAVA Music that sends the listener soaring 3 top `art rock' bands bring addictive sounds to area to treat minds and ears IT HAS been politically incorrect since Nancy Reagan to say such things -- but maybe with the recent opening of ``Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas'' and its depiction of the high life, I can get it by the editors. Some years back, I knew people (they're still out there today) who would view the kind of music that's coming up this week as the soundtrack to a drug trip. Can you imagine that? Of course, progressive rock is capable of inducing that trancey, spacey state of mind in almost anyone -- that's what has kept it alive for a few decades, even if it is shunted off to a corner of the musical world. For fans of the music once called ``prog-rock'' or ``art rock'' (the latest nickname is ``post rock''), this weekend is like Christmas and the Fourth of July mixed together -- just as the music mixes rock, ambient, jazz, classical, dub, dance, experimental and the kitchen sink. Lots of musical fireworks; almost no vocals. Three of the finest prog-rock bands in the world are passing through the Bay Area this week: Kraftwerk, the underrated German band that helped define the form in the '70s; Ozric Tentacles, an English band formed in 1983 that has been a bridge between the old and new waves; and Tortoise, a '90s Chicago instrumental collective that is as revolutionary and addictively dreamy today as Tangerine Dream was two decades ago. With its long, moody instrumentals and its sometimes challenging shifts from jarring experimental noise to lulling dreamscapes, this music is a natural soundtrack for people who are already seeing pictures in their eyelids. It's also loved by Silicon Valley engineers, who use it as inspiration for their late-night projects, making those lines of code come to life. Tortoise plays tonight with Isotope 217 at Palookaville (9 p.m., all ages, $10) and Thursday and Friday at the Great American Music Hall (9 p.m., $14). Ozric plays Friday at the Fillmore (9 p.m., $16.50) and Kraftwerk plays the Warfield on Sunday (8 p.m., $29.50). I called on some of my prog-rock-loving friends and experts to handicap the three shows. ``If I could see one, it would be Ozric,'' says Amacker Bullwinkle, who does a show Friday mornings from 6 to 10 a.m. on KFJC-FM (89.7). ``They are so rare. They've only been to the States twice. And they are still growing. With Kraftwerk, you know where they are going. They haven't done anything new. Ozric can go anywhere in a show, and you never know where it will go.'' The band, formed around guitarist Ed Wynne and keyboardist Joie Hinton, now includes Merv Peopler on drums and synth player Steve Everett. Bullwinkle (yes, it's her real name) did an Ozric special last week and included a joke by one of her fellow DJs, ``Uncle Al'' (not his real name). He said they were selling shirts with all of Ozric's lyrics on them. Yes, they are plain white. Her favorite album is 1991's ``Strangeitude,'' (Capitol) with its Grateful Dead-like jams and great rock flute. Some of the later albums, she says, border on New Age, which she pronounces newage -- rhymes with sewage. But it is still her hot pick. She saw the group once with only 20 other people at the Kennel Club and it blew her mind, she says. Dave Wohlman, formerly KOME's Sunday morning rock archivist, says missing Kraftwerk is verboten. ``They are the source,'' he says. ``They go back to the '60s, when no one quite knew what to do with a synthesizer. There was nothing else prominent with the instrument in front, except a few novelty acts. They helped shape the whole electronica movement -- techno and jungle, all of the current electronica can be traced back to those two guys (Florian Schneider and Ralf Hutter).'' Wohlman says the band has toured only a few times in the States, including one tour in support of the 1978 album ``The Man Machine,'' where the four musicians left the stage and let robots and computers play their set. Wohlman's suggested disc for a newcomer? ``Trans-Europe Express,'' (Capitol) the 1977 album celebrating train travel. ``It influenced more bands than you can fit onto a shelf of CDs.'' I'm going to all three, but if I had to pick one, it would be Tortoise, whose 1998 album ``TNT'' (Thrill Jockey) alternately kicks me in the butt and massages my shoulders. New guitarist Jeff Parker makes the difference between this and 1996's ``Millions Now Living Will Never Die,'' which kicks more than soothes. His licks conjure a '90s David Gilmour, with chords that immediately lull a listener into a gentle trance like an alligator trainer stroking the belly of his beast. But this isn't newage. Percussionist and vibes player John McEntire blasts you awake like a jackhammer operator, with loops of ground-shaking banging that he records in his basement. It's a battle between heaven and hell, a series of tensions and releases that ends up in a glorious mind meld. The opening band, Isotope 217, includes Tortoise members Parker, Dan Bitney and John Herndon, playing jazz fusion with three members of the Chicago Underground Orchestra. ...(other concert previews) Hump Day appears each Wednesday in Silicon Valley Life. Write Brad Kava and Candace Murphy at the Mercury News, 750 Ridder Park Drive, San Jose, Calif. 95190. Call them at (408) 920 5040 or (408) 920-5046. Fax to (408) 271-3786 or e-mail bkava@sjmercury.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW in Hollywood Date: 04 Jun 1998 05:02:39 +0200 >"the doors open at 6:30 and close at 11:00... that's all he knows." this means that people should get out before 11:00 or that they could not enter after 11:00? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: re: (kw) German Train Crash Kills at Least 80 Date: 05 Jun 1998 08:23:48 +0200 abzug wrote: >terrible news, but what exactly has it to do with Kraftwerk? Nothing. Thanks God ! It´s OFF TOPIC !!! Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Roskilde line-up Date: 05 Jun 1998 9:26:41 +0100 I just got the line-up from Roskilde, Kraftwerk will be playing in the gree= n tent at 21:30, before them its a film called "Modulations" at 19:00 and "DJ Hell" at 20:15 - THATS IT! I've never before heard of ANY band occupying a tent for a whole day on Roskilde - I like it! Anybody know who this DJ Hell is? Is there anybody out there who can make a list of some kind on their homepa= ge so that all of us who is going to go there to see KW could put our names on it, I'm not so good at HTML that I can arrange it on my own homepage=2E /Johan: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang OPEN Date: 05 Jun 1998 11:02:40 +0100 I've got this idea: At http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KWHTML/index=2Ehtml I've got 10Mb of free homepage, this one is ment to be used by YOU! The idea is that I give you all, fellow listmembers, access to do whatever you want on this page, put in pictures, text, sound=2E=2E=2E=2E related to=20= Kraftwerk, a living KlingKlang site!!! Isn't it a great Idea???? To edit the page you'll have to go to: http://homepager=2Etripod=2Ecom/service/homepager/chooser/index=2Ehtml And give a Username: KWHTML And a password: wrtrzx Its possible to use pre-made layouts (For people like me who isn't so good=20= at HTML) or to use your HTML knowledge to make it as you like=2E I hope you all use your creativity! /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orjan Engstrom Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics Date: 05 Jun 1998 08:39:06 +0200 So you want the Spanish version of sex object? The Spanish version of Sex Object can be found on the bootleg Kraftwerk: werke So if you want to hear it just buy it Kraftwerk: Werke Westwood one-rarities on compac disc vol55. On that CD you can also find the rare Radioactivity hardcore mix by William Orbit Orjan 070-6957756( +46706957756) http://www.mds.mdh.se/~ing96oem/ UIN:707212 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michel leraille" Subject: (kw) Tokyo concerts Date: 04 Jun 1998 23:11:25 PDT Hi there, Some of you will think I'm the king of spoilers, but anyway, here are a few details regarding the Tokyo gigs. I've only seen the gigs of june 3 & 4, but it's was quite disapointing : everything is EXACTLY the same as in Linz and ZKM and as the day before (same track list, same videos, same old people pushing buttons now and then) - only the Robots has got a new light show (which is not too bad). In other words, the only differences between gigs is when something goes wrong or when some piece of gear doesn't work the way it should (which happens quite a few times, believe me). Only the new version of Distant Voices and the new song seem to have different versions every night, and only during those songs they actually give the impression of doing something. As for PC, IMHO, the reaon why they don't allow the audience to press any key is that they only use their little boxes to send MIDI note-ons and note-offs to trigger samples and/or entire sequences, and because of that the audience could f*ck up the whole song (but at least, something unexpected could happen...) Well, those old people seem to be caught in an endless loop... Someone has to kick their butt to make them move forward. The only REALLY interesting thing about these 2 Tokyo gigs was that the hall was full of wondeful japanese girls ! Jeeez... 2 more KW concerts to come... jbv (in Tokyo) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: odsplut@ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) ...by way of Herr KaseMeister Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:34:05 -0700 The newest release from the International Deejay Gigolos label (Gigolo 12) is nothing but a tuff, elektrofried version of "Showroom Dummies Part I & II" kicked and beaten by Mr. Ed DMX and his Krew. "Part I" speeds up/loads up the original with that 303 line and those 808 beats and a more sinister vocorder while "Part II" whips it all together with a tab of acid... On the flip is a japanesed translation entitled "Manekin" with transistorized female vox and a Kraftwerk derived "Cold Heart Part II". ...oh, and the label features the usual pumped-up Arnold...black shirted and red, skinny tied! ...I can wear this out between now and Monday 08 June 1998, 6:30PM... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics Date: 04 Jun 1998 19:47:24 -0500 (CDT) > Jose: > > > Welcome to the list! Thanks! > I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. > > When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to > express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that > if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as > communicative and/or effective? Take, as an example, "Boing-Boom-Tschak" (I hope the spelling is right :) or "Numbers". I think the words in those songs are just like a percussion instrument. And I think in most of the songs they don't try to communicate anything. What is the meaning of the lyrics in "Radioactivity"? (at least the English version) I think some songs have funny words and some have interesting words, such as "Hall of mirrors", but most of them are not very good. I like them because of the way they sound, not because of what they are saying, and probably if they had put different words in "the models" I would keep loving that song as much as I do now. Well, if you put some "blueish" lyrics, like "I love you and you don't love me and my heart is broken, baby" then you screw up their songs, but in general I think you can change the lyrics of most of their songs without making them less effective. Of course, it is just an opinion, and I like the songs the way they are. I don't want anybody to change their words. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: RE: (kw) KW info on new (semi-) official LIVE CD Date: 05 Jun 1998 01:16:23 PDT Henrik Wrote: >The bootleg "Super Golden Radio Shows No 10, Kraftwerk in concert 1975 >(Record nr : SGRS010) also seems to be the same... Yes! That's the record I wrote about. Live in Köln 1975. It's a good one! /Martin Min hemsida: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382/intro.htm "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "michel leraille" Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 04 Jun 1998 23:41:29 PDT Paulo wrote : >Interesting, although I prefer to listen to Download, Lars Stroschen or >even Parmegiani. Ibo wrote : >I heard about download, even if I never listened to them, but I don't know >anything of the latter two, could you tell something? As for Bernard Parmegiani, it's one of the INA/GRM composer. He must be now in his late 60s. Some of his most interesting works are De Natura Sonorum (1974), and the LP L'Oeil Ecoute (released on the Philips label circa 1966 and now out-of-print) and featuring some early compositions using Moog synths that beat most of today's techno stuff. jbv ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Japan Date: 05 Jun 1998 17:49:14 +0200 Kraftwerk will perform at Akasaka Blitz on this Tue (2), Wed (3) and Thu (4). Japanese D&B DJ Dazzle-T and Kaji spins at High Camp Qoo on this Sat. A rave party "The strong sun moon festival" will be held in Gifu in this July. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: Message Bounce: Re: (kw) Lyrics Date: 05 Jun 1998 07:51:42 PDT I think that the simple lyrics that seem to be just another instrument is exactly what kraftwerk want to do. While most musicians get hung up on lyrics and sounds like a two bit singer with back-up, KW integrate the two in order to become a "man machine." I prefer the non-english version of any song because I don't like to get hung up on what the musician says, but how he has truely made his voice an instrument. Not to say that the lyrics aren't useful. Imaigine Autobahn without the simple "Wir fahren, fahren, fahren..." (The major exception to the lyrics simply being there is "Hall of mirrors" which even my non-kraftwerk fan friends have agreed is a splendid) Sorry if I'm rambling. 1 hour of sleep. But now school is over. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth (XS4ALL)" Subject: RE: (kw) Tokyo concerts Date: 05 Jun 1998 20:02:20 +0200 -----Original Message----- ... Well, those old people seem to be caught in an endless loop... Someone has to kick their butt to make them move forward. ... -------------------------- With this old stuff, there is one way to stop this endless loop because by using these old computers, they would certainly suffer from the millennium-bug. Imagine all KW computers turn black on 1/1/2000! It would be the real end of KW. (musique ... stop) Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 05 Jun 1998 12:46:42 -0400 I think if you thought about it... it would be kind of hard to actually "sing" to any Kraftwerk song. Think of a song you like with nice long, flowing, rhyming words to it, then try to put those words into a Kraftwerk song. Most Kraftwerk songs are very thought provoking, but only the sounds make you think, "Man... how'd they do that, that's really interesting." I think trying to place words with the sounds is very difficult, especially with the constant looping and repeating sounds, are you going to repeat the same lyrics over and over, that would really kill the music. Although it seems Kraftwerk has even resorted to that occasionally. As for the new songs, I can't remember hearing any singing in them, and one was god awful, it started off strong... but then turned into and endless loop for 6 minutes, my god! Yuck! Of all the ups and downs to Kraftwerks music, the only *real* gripe I have is they could use more bass. the Mix version of Autobahn flirted with this slightly, in certain areas, but that's it. But, I'll agree that these are hardly "finished" I feel, and may just be used to "gauge" the audience to help "mold" future songs. Seeing what the new generation of fans like/react to. Just my thoughts. Hope to see some of you at the Tibet Freedom Festival on the 14th in Washington, DC in 8 days!!! I have the lineup for the 14th, and Kraftwerk plays towards the end of the lineup that day. Later all, Norman ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Jose Corchado at wrsmtp-ccmail > Jose: > > > Welcome to the list! Thanks! > I appreciate your opinion, but wholly disagree. > > When you say, "I think they mostly use the words to make sounds, not to > express anything, just like any other instrument," do you mean to imply that > if they put any words in there, whatsoever, the words would be just as > communicative and/or effective? Take, as an example, "Boing-Boom-Tschak" (I hope the spelling is right :) or "Numbers". I think the words in those songs are just like a percussion instrument. And I think in most of the songs they don't try to communicate anything. What is the meaning of the lyrics in "Radioactivity"? (at least the English version) I think some songs have funny words and some have interesting words, such as "Hall of mirrors", but most of them are not very good. I like them because of the way they sound, not because of what they are saying, and probably if they had put different words in "the models" I would keep loving that song as much as I do now. Well, if you put some "blueish" lyrics, like "I love you and you don't love me and my heart is broken, baby" then you screw up their songs, but in general I think you can change the lyrics of most of their songs without making them less effective. Of course, it is just an opinion, and I like the songs the way they are. I don't want anybody to change their words. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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I live in Warren (12 Mile - Van Dyke area) If there is anyone coming from an area north of me who would like to ride along, maybe we could arrange a way to get the group over there rather than all of us going separately (and paying for parking separately). Anyway, lets connect before the 11th - I'm looking forward to meeting some fellow Werkers!! If anyone is familiar with landline BBS systems, I am the SysOp of The Bearsville BBS (810) 582-9429 300-28800 baud Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Jayne Mansfield - Little Things Mean A Lot _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) Tokio concert Date: 05 Jun 1998 21:37:57 +0200 kojis@venus.dti.ne.jp wrote: >98.06.03 Tokio Concert Track List >01. Numbers >02. Computer World >03. Home Computer >04. The Man Machine >05. Tour De France >06. Autobahn >07. The Model >08. Air Waves (intro) - New Song 1 >09. Radioactivity >10. Trans Europe Express >11. Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU >12. The Robots >13. New Song 2 >14. Music Non Stop Hey! Where has this 2nd new song gone? I liked it. Seems they left it in Duesseldorf. 2 questions: Did Ralf say "Gute Nacht" or "Good night" before he left the stage? Was there any difference in the arrangements and style of the song in comparison to 1997? Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- *********************** Georg Jajus (Vienna) ********************** * Internet: http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ * * Mail: a9401326@unet.univie.ac.at or Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at * ************** "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe..." *************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bergstr=F6m?= Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 05 Jun 1998 22:51:14 +0200 I would very much like to know if there are others on the lists who have autistic diagnoses and if any of them have thought the thought that Ralph H=FCtter may be autistic. I think that Kraftwerk is "autistic". They are obsessed with "noises" and rhythms rather than music in a conventional understanding. And the lyrics is rather occupied with things, such as robots and motorways than with human relations. /Bjoern Bergstroem # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@mail.club-internet.fr Subject: (kw) Techno Pop ? Date: 05 Jun 1998 23:33:52 +0100 I suppose It's a topic some of you discussed already before, but I would like to know if it's possible, with boots available, to have an idea of Techno Pop the album was. I mean, I have The First DJ Edition, a very boring boot, but with a demo mix of Sex Object. Could we consider that it was the version included in Techno Pop ? Any other demos available ? JCFromParis On now : Kraftwerk TEE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The New Stuff... Date: 05 Jun 1998 23:19:13 +0100 jbv/michel leraille wrote: > As for Bernard Parmegiani, it's one of the INA/GRM composer. He must > be now in his late 60s. Close, he is 71. > Some of his most interesting works are De Natura Sonorum (1974), and > the LP L'Oeil Ecoute (released on the Philips label circa 1966 and now > out-of-print) and featuring some early compositions using Moog synths > that beat most of today's techno stuff. His work is being re-released by INA.GRM, the latest of which I have dates from 1997 (containing pieces from 1963 to 1991). -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 05 Jun 1998 19:05:21 EDT In a message dated 6/5/1998 4:54:33 PM, you wrote: << I would very much like to know if there are others on the lists who have autistic diagnoses and if any of them have thought the thought that Ralph H=FCtter may be autistic. I think that Kraftwerk is "autistic". They are obsessed with "noises" and rhythms rather than music in a conventional understanding. And the lyrics is rather occupied with things, such as robots and motorways than with human relations. /Bjoern Bergstroem >> Fascinating. Another question: I've not heard a single question on the list about whether Florian or Ral= f=0Ahave family--wife, kids--hobbies, how they spend their time between= =0Aalbums...in short, all of the things that people who are fascinated wi= th the=0Awork of famous persons typically ask about. Again, this could be the intellectual and/or aesthetic bent of those on t= he=0Alist, purely, and/or our willingness to participate in and engage th= eir=0Acarefully crafted image of isolation and detachment. However, Bjoern's question suddenly, for me, snapped into clarity the fac= t=0Athat, for the most part, I don't know a thing about these people. Also, earlier, the issue was raised about K-werk's equipment, and the qua= lity=0Aof their latest music. (Personally, the last new thing by them tha= t I loved=0Aand love was "Tour de France.") I tend to think that they would have more success making really interesti= ng=0Amusic if they suddenly made it an edict that they wouldn't use any c= omputers=0Amade after 1966; say an IBM 360; sort of a "Difference Engine"= proposition. The struggle to get sound out of these things would probably help fashion= some=0Afascinating compositions. Best, HA=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 00 Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 03:56:35 +0200 Bj=F6rn wrote: >>They are obsessed with "noises" and rhythms rather >> than music in a conventional understanding. Well, "obsessed" is a quite strong word...Perhaps it's better to say that they are very interested in rhythmic and 'unconventional' music. I find a lot of the music today strongly based on rhythm with simple melodies and 'nonsense'-lyrics. HA wrote: >> I' ve not heard a single question on the list about whether Florian or= Ralf >> have family--wife, kids--hobbies, how they spend their time between >> albums...in short, all of the things that people who are fascinated with the >> work of famous persons typically ask about. Most of the Kraftwerk-fans have probably thought about this, at least I= have. Maybe Ralf & Co are interesting persons in private, maybe not. They could be nazis/communists, gay or into S/M, drug addicts, whatever...It doesn't really matter to me. I'm only (well, mostly) interested in their music. Kw as a project is very 'non-personal', that is obviously the intention of R&F (for=20 example, they use robots (to get themselves away from the spotlight) moving= in exactly the same patterns (to express Kw as a unity, not individuals) ). Anyone agree or disagree (there's gotta be someone...) Till Martin Halldin: Tyv=E4rr har jag inte tillr=E4ckligt med pengar, annars hade jag g=E4rna h=E4ngt p=E5...Har du m=F6jlighet p=E5 att banda konserten? /Johan W # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 04:18:26 +0100 Scramjet1@aol.com wrote: > (...) they wouldn't use any computers made after 1966; say an IBM 360; > sort of a "Difference Engine" proposition. > > The struggle to get sound out of these things would probably help > fashion some fascinating compositions. Beginning in 1957 and onwards, Max Mathews developed the Music-n series of programs to directly synthesize sound, starting with an IBM 704. Xenakis and Hiller provided the very first accomplished compositions by computer as early as 1956. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Looking forward to meeting the L.A. Kompatriots Date: 06 Jun 1998 03:00:21 -0700 Hey Kraftwerkians, Haven't posted in a while...this has been the busiest year spiritually and creatively. But I'm looking forward to seeing all the L.A. people at the Palladium. I work next door to it and have been driving by making sure they don't take the signage down from the marquee. Don't want a repeat of their last "performance" in L.A. Kontrol Factory is right around the corner, practically, so it should be the funnest Monday night we've had in a long time. I'd love to tell you all what I'm gonna' be wearing but I haven't totally ruled out my plastic pants which has a domino affect on the remaining clothing items. If anyone is curious as to what I look like, watch the MTV Movie Awards preshow. I'm right square in the background between the Chris Connelly and Neve Campbell interview. I'm the buzzed haired boy with the headset on...ironically I was trying to get out of the camera line of the celeb I was escorting only to unbeknowingly get smack dab in the middle of MTV News'... REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR THE L.A. KW CONCERT GOERS UNLIKE MY PREVIOUSLY BIMBO-ESQUE RANTINGS ABOVE: When I saw Crystal Method, Propellerheads, etc. at the Hollywood Palladium, the first act started right at 7pm, after the doors had been open only for a half of an hour. Granted, they had a slew of acts to fly through, but due to the Palladium's weird curfew (it's on Sunset...I just don't get it), KW may, in fact, be pressing the play button right at 7pm as well...do as I'm doing and get off work early... See ya' there... Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon http://home.pacbell.net/eidocult/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 13:01:38 +0200 On 06-Jun-98 A.D., Scramjet1@aol.com carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism": > I've not heard a single question on the list about whether Florian or > Ralf have family--wife, kids--hobbies, how they spend their time > between albums...in short, all of the things that people who are > fascinated with the work of famous persons typically ask about. > > Again, this could be the intellectual and/or aesthetic bent of those on > the list, purely, and/or our willingness to participate in and engage > their carefully crafted image of isolation and detachment. Either we're all autistic or we care more about their artistic achievements than the bandmembers themselves (like KW seemingly wants us to). > I tend to think that they would have more success making really > interesting music if they suddenly made it an edict that they wouldn't > use any computers made after 1966; say an IBM 360; sort of a > "Difference Engine" proposition. Interesting. Makes me think of the film director Lars von Trier's "Dogma 95"(?). Making movies with hand-held camcorders, the actors in their own clothes et c. -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 12:59:55 +0200 Den 05-Jun-98 A.D. ristade Bj=F6rn Bergstr=F6m f=F6ljande runor ang=E5e= nde "(kw) Kraftwerk and Autism": =20 > I think that Kraftwerk is "autistic". They are obsessed with "noises"=20 > and rhythms rather than music in a conventional understanding. And the=20 > lyrics is rather occupied with things, such as robots and motorways > than with human relations. ROFTL! I doubt listening to a musician's lyrics makes a good psychiatric anamnesis... :) I guess many geniuses have gotten that diagnosis by contemporary laymen. On the other hand, they're not really that extrovert.... --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) websites about the Tokyo-Gigs Date: 06 Jun 1998 13:53:16 +0200 Hi Friends ! Are there any interesting web-sites about the Tokyo-Gigs yet ? Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CADBOT Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 00:55:02 -0500 Scramjet1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/5/1998 4:54:33 PM, you wrote: > > < autistic diagnoses and if any of them have thought the thought that Ral= ph H=FCtter > may be autistic. I think that Kraftwerk is "autistic". They are obsesse= d with > "noises" and rhythms rather than music in a conventional understanding.= And the > lyrics is rather occupied with things, such as robots and motorways tha= n with > human relations. > /Bjoern Bergstroem > >> Isn't Florian the one crafting the sounds, while Ralf does the lyrics and= the overall direction of the song? I'm not diagnosed autistic, since you aske= d. I like KW, because almost all rock bands lead you down a road to negativity, tra= nsforming you into a negative angry person. KW manages to stay in a positive vein w= ithout making you feel like you're taking a pill to make you feel good. I like s= ome KW songs better than others. Some songs I like, but can't listen to over and= over (The Model, Showroom Dummies, Telephone Call, for example). Others I coul= d listen to in a loop endlos (TEE/MoM, Computer World, Neon Lights, Spacelab, Tour= de France) Also, I think everyone should just be content that KW is still playing. E= xpecting them to pioneer some new direction in music coming from some 50 year olds= is a bit unrealistic. > I've not heard a single question on the list about whether Florian or R= alf > have family--wife, kids--hobbies, how they spend their time between > albums...in short, all of the things that people who are fascinated wi= th the > work of famous persons typically ask about. Someone posted a BBC thing on KW. They said "We don't like to get close--= male or female." I'd guess that they're not married. Does any one have any more i= nfo beyond that? > (Personally, the last new thing by them that I loved and love was "Tour= de > France.") Ahhh! I can hear the harps and breathing in sync. "The young man stepped into the Hall of Mirrors, where he discovered a re= flection of himself..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "andrew T" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 08:16:10 PDT Everyone going to the San Francisco show say HI to me! I'll be the only young person and I'll be in grey slacks and a red/tinted black dress shirt , no tie :( should be easy to find. Someone asked about the first Techno Pop?? I have a bootleg with the demo of it on, and I must say it SUCKS a great deal. Sounds like very bad disco music a large amount of high notes and happy feelings . The techno pop on EC is a hell of a lot better so I wouldn't loose any sleep on wanting to hear the original. About people being disappointed that they play the same stuff over and over at live shows? I would be ecstatic if they just walked on stage, put a CD into the player and sat down looping 2 songs for 3 hours. I have 75 shots of film I plan to use at the concert and the good ones will be up on my page (as long as they come out ok). >From: <> After you unplug them what the hell good are they? =) ps- what was the URL to the page that had Hot Butter songs for download?? Andrew from ze Computer Welt, http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 11:36:20 -0500 (CDT) > I tend to think that they would have more success making really interesting > music if they suddenly made it an edict that they wouldn't use any computers > made after 1966; say an IBM 360; sort of a "Difference Engine" proposition. I disagree. I think their best albums are made with analogical synthesizers, but I think that "Electric Cafe" and especially "Computer world" are like manuals about the use of samplers and digital synths. I think those two records are the main influence in electronic pop music today, even though they are not as good as their previous work. I would like to know the way some electronic bands would be if Kraftwerk had never made those two albums. Moreover, I think the fact that they have been able to assume new technologies, trends, and musical fashions is something that makes them an even more interesting band. Perhaps they haven't done anything really interesting since "Tour de France" (although I think that the first half of "Electric Cafe" is something really good), but at least they are not one of those bands that made something good and later, record after record, the only thing they do is recycling it. When I listened to clips of new songs they are playing in their gigs I though they were pretty bad, but I also thought "it's unbelievable that after 30 years they are still able to evolve and to do something different from what they did before, even though it doesn't sound very different from what some electronic dance bands are doing". Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sergio Bayarri Gausi Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK LIVE ON THE NET Date: 06 Jun 1998 23:28:32 +0200 (MET DST) Hello! Live Concerts will broadcast LIVE on the net the "Tibetan Freedom Concert'98" Kraftwerk concert! From the LiveConcerts newsletter : --- SPECIAL EVENT: June 13 & 14 LC is bringing you the 1998 Tibetan Freedom Festival in conjunction with Milarepa, SonicNet & UBL. Register now at: http://www.tibet98.com/ --- Get more info at: http://www.sonicnet.com/tibet/98/ http://www.liveconcerts.com/ Enjoy :) Greetings, Sergio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telematik@juno.com (tel ematik) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 17:42:19 EDT << "Electric Cafe" and especially "Computer world" are like manuals about the use of samplers and digital synths. I think those two records are the main influence in electronic pop music today, even though they are not as good as their previous work>> I totally disagree with you about Computer world and Electrc cafe not being as good as their previous work. Computer World is the best kraftwerk and anyone who disagrees is going to get beat up. take care p.s.(and way off topic) who the hell is this cannibus guy? Why would he come out with this lame record dissing LL Cool J? Personally I hope LL destroys this punk. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 01 Jun 1998 05:36:45 +0100 >I've not heard a single question on the list about whether Florian or Ralf >have family--wife, kids--hobbies, how they spend their time between >albums...in short, all of the things that people who are fascinated with the >work of famous persons typically ask about. I think it's generally common knowledge that Florian is married and has children and Ralf lives with his sister and her husband / family somewhere in Dusseldorf. This brings up the possibility that Ralf is either a) gay or / and b) introverted. And so what if he is? The majority of Kraftwek's music is by and large impersonal and does not open up debate as to their personal lives. My impression of Germany is that it is - on a business level - a very formal country and Kraftwerk is undoubtedly a multinational musical business. As for Henning and Fritz most people don't even know their names let alone anything else about them. My understanding of the situation is: Ralf - songwriting, lyrics, vocals, live mixing (he has the 'control box' for PC) Florian - sonic textures etc, possibly video mixing, etc. Henning - 'live' melodies + melody loops etc (he actually plays Radioactivity) Fritz - rhythm programming + loops Hope that's of some use. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 06 Jun 1998 18:35:41 EDT Now that I've started my new pay-for-nothing summer job at a packaging plant/bakery, I've realized that Kraftwerk came very close (either by accident or design) to emulating mass production on Computer World (mainly "it's more fun to compute" and "home computer"). The mass production machines (huge) that spit out bags and bags of snack treats make some of the most incredible rhythms via air pressure valves (various resonant white noise structures) and other gear-turning sounds. . . . . .some of these beats are in 4/4, they come complete with variations (machines get slightly out of sync every so often), and even have some dynamics/accented notes. If only it wasn't a security issue, I'd bring some recording equipment in and capture this entire world of sounds!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@mail.club-internet.fr Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 01:16:13 +0100 >Someone asked about the first Techno Pop?? I have a bootleg with the >demo of it on, and I must say it SUCKS a great deal. Sounds like very >bad disco music a large amount of high notes and happy feelings . The >techno pop on EC is a hell of a lot better so I wouldn't loose any sleep >on wanting to hear the original. Can you tell me/us the name of the boot ? I didn't find it in your web page. JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrien@mail.club-internet.fr Subject: (kw) Techno Pop Date: 07 Jun 1998 01:22:38 +0100 I was talking about the whole album called Techno Pop, not the only song. So we have a demo mix of Sex Object in The First DJ Edition and a demo of Techno Pop-the song in Toccata Electronica. What about the others ? Does anyone know what was the original track listing ? JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 06 Jun 1998 19:47:59 Mark Reed wrote: >I think it's generally common knowledge that Florian is married and has >children and Ralf lives with his sister and her husband / family >somewhere in Dusseldorf. This brings up the possibility that Ralf is >either a) gay or / and b) introverted. And so what if he is? The If he's gay then it must have occurred sometime after 1973, for he was dating a woman named Isabella at the time, whose picture is included in the musicomix sleeve of the 'Ralf & Florian' LP. Either way, I can't help but feel that it's none of my business what his sexual preference is or what the details of his personal life are. I love Kraftwerk's music and that's all I'm really concerned with when it comes down to it. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Techno Pop Date: 06 Jun 1998 19:42:44 wrote: >I was talking about the whole album called Techno Pop, not the only song. >So we have a demo mix of Sex Object in The First DJ Edition and a demo of >Techno Pop-the song in Toccata Electronica. What about the others ? >Does anyone know what was the original track listing ? I'm not even sure where I'm getting this from, but my basic understanding is that the album was going to be comprised of the following: Side One -------- Techno Pop (a very long song, made up of the various components from "Boing Boom Tschak", "Techno Pop", and "Musique Non Stop") Side Two -------- The Telephone Call Sex Object Tour de France -=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fpinto Subject: (kw) (KW) If Kraftwerk were lurking here... Date: 06 Jun 1998 18:27:35 -0600 they would be very disappointed of all the things are said about them= . They reject personal cult, that has been a must always for them. The musik they produce is a mirror of what they are. Some will say that Kraftwerk are "cold" but my impression after listening their compositions is that they are not. They are very fine electronic musicians. They have emphasized over and over the necessity that we h= ave to listen to the music which surround us, that music coming out of th= e machines which make us company day by day. My respects on their works explaining the interaction of Man-Machine through music. That is why I am driving over 2900 "K"mts. (UT to SF, LA -Hin- und R=FCckfahrt-) to see them. Let us be one inspiring crowd. Indeed, th= e best crowd in this tour 1998!!!!!!!! :-). I'm hitting the road now, see you all there. Mit Freundlichen Gru=DFen, Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 02:52:17 +0200 tel ematik wrote: >=20 > << "Electric Cafe" and especially "Computer > world" are like manuals about the use of samplers and digital synths. I > think those two records are the main influence in electronic pop music > today, even though they are not as good as their previous work>> >=20 > I totally disagree with you about Computer world and Electrc cafe not > being as good as their previous work. Computer World is the best > kraftwerk and anyone who disagrees is going to get beat up. Computer World is the best electronic album ever. /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 02:59:16 +0200 > My understanding of the situation is: > Ralf - songwriting, lyrics, vocals, live mixing > (he has the 'control box' for PC) > Florian - sonic textures etc, possibly video mixing, etc. > Henning - 'live' melodies + melody loops etc > (he actually plays Radioactivity) > Fritz - rhythm programming + loops I thougt that Ralf was the one who played the 'live' melodies. But maybe I`m wrong. /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo concerts questions. Date: 07 Jun 1998 12:05:03 +1000 R. D. wrote: > Is there an opening act by another group (which one is it) or is it > only KW? Is there an intermission or is it a continuous show? Are they > doing encores? How many songs? Which "official" songs are they > playing? Are they doing any "new" songs? _Please_ let the "world wide > werkers" know! There is no opening act - only Kraftwerk The robots entertain while the men change thier suits for the 'encore' The set list has been posted and will not change for the tour I think. They play for 2 hours and 15 minutes - excactly. Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) the Music-n series Date: 06 Jun 1998 22:45:17 EDT In a message dated 6/5/1998 11:25:21 PM, you wrote: << Scramjet1@aol.com wrote: > (...) they wouldn't use any computers made after 1966; say an IBM 360; > sort of a "Difference Engine" proposition. > > The struggle to get sound out of these things would probably help > fashion some fascinating compositions. Beginning in 1957 and onwards, Max Mathews developed the Music-n series of programs to directly synthesize sound, starting with an IBM 704. Xenakis and Hiller provided the very first accomplished compositions by computer as early as 1956. >> Thank you. Fascinating. How can I learn more about this # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) the Music-n series Date: 07 Jun 1998 04:00:48 +0100 Scramjet1@aol.com wrote: > How can I learn more about this Just grab a good book on the history of 20th century music, or one with focus on electronic and computer music. The Music-n series of programs later turned into Csound. Check it at http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Man/c_front.html -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Subject: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 06 Jun 1998 20:16:01 -0700 At 06:35 PM 6/6/98 -0400, SRRecords@aol.com wrote: >Now that I've started my new pay-for-nothing summer job at a packaging >plant/bakery, I've realized that Kraftwerk came very close (either by accident >or design) to emulating mass production on Computer World (mainly "it's more >fun to compute" and "home computer"). The mass production machines (huge) >that spit out bags and bags of snack treats make some of the most incredible >rhythms via air pressure valves (various resonant white noise structures) and >other gear-turning sounds. . . . . .some of these beats are in 4/4, they come >complete with variations (machines get slightly out of sync every so often), >and even have some dynamics/accented notes. If only it wasn't a security >issue, I'd bring some recording equipment in and capture this entire world of >sounds!!!! > You should sneak in a small DAT. Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.encoreelectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 06:39:53 +0200 >Computer World is the best electronic album ever. well said. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 06:31:44 +0200 >children and Ralf lives with his sister and her husband / family >somewhere in Dusseldorf. This brings up the possibility that Ralf is >either a) gay or / and b) introverted. And so what if he is? The c) incestuous? d) poor? seriously, if he was gay, should he really live with his family, he would have preferred to live for his own. anyway I prefer it but I'm not gay. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) (KW) If Kraftwerk were lurking here... Date: 07 Jun 1998 06:38:46 +0200 >they would be very disappointed of all the things are said about them. >They reject personal cult, that has been a must always for them. The why? they seem to be ironical people, and for sure we don't do personal cult. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 06 Jun 1998 23:54:01 EDT In a message dated 6/6/1998 6:39:09 PM, you wrote: << Now that I've started my new pay-for-nothing summer job at a packaging plant/bakery, I've realized that Kraftwerk came very close (either by accident or design) to emulating mass production on Computer World (mainly "it's more fun to compute" and "home computer"). The mass production machines (huge) that spit out bags and bags of snack treats make some of the most incredible rhythms via air pressure valves (various resonant white noise structures) and other gear-turning sounds. . . . . .some of these beats are in 4/4, they come complete with variations (machines get slightly out of sync every so often), and even have some dynamics/accented notes. If only it wasn't a security issue, I'd bring some recording equipment in and capture this entire world of sounds!!!! >> Oh, I dare say that you've stumbled onto, through direct experience, some the very things that that they, the Futurists before them, and many others have been attempting to say, and upon which they've attempted to comment. Best, Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 00:18:36 EDT Is this statement really true?: "Either way, I can't help but feel that it's none of my business what his sexual preference is or what the details of his personal life are. I love Kraftwerk's music and that's all I'm really concerned with when it comes down to it." Here's why I ask: Is there a person on this list whom, if they saw this cover line on the front of MUSICIAN magazine: INSIDE: EXCLUSIVE 48-PAGE INTERVIEW WITH *KRAFTWERK*'S RALF & FLORIAN! and, seeing only one issue left, would not spend their *bus fare* on that magazine, if that was all they had in their pockets? The truth is: 1) If all one cared about was their music, they would see the issue, and keep walking, since there would, presumably, be no music inside. 2) Most people, though certainly not all, if they care about any person's or entity's musical ideas, eventually become concerned with the *circumstances* of their ideas; the experiences which led them to those ideas. For example, even if all we care about is Mozart's, or Louis Armstrong's, music, by knowing the key events in their lives, and their emotional, intellectual, and/or other responses to these events, we can, presumably, learn more about their music, and the meaning of their music. 3) This list is being archived. Many of us, ourselves, are saving posts we find interesting. As well, there is no knowledge as to whether, 500 years from now, someone might find a copy of *Trans-Europe Express*, play it, find themselves completely and totally awed, and thrust into a mission to find out who these people were, much the same way one might, say, hear the music of Bach for the first time, and then want to know every detail of his life. We owe it to history, I feel, to the degree that such a thing is possible, and to the degree that we care, to post the record. And we are doing it, with every e-mail. I know, however, that someday, someone is going to want to know more about what made these men *say* these things-make these *incredible* musical statements-and there will be little for them to go on. Harry Allen In a message dated 6/6/1998 7:46:59 PM, you wrote: <<>I think it's generally common knowledge that Florian is married and has >children and Ralf lives with his sister and her husband / family >somewhere in Dusseldorf. This brings up the possibility that Ralf is >either a) gay or / and b) introverted. And so what if he is? The If he's gay then it must have occurred sometime after 1973, for he was dating a woman named Isabella at the time, whose picture is included in the musicomix sleeve of the 'Ralf & Florian' LP. Either way, I can't help but feel that it's none of my business what his sexual preference is or what the details of his personal life are. I love Kraftwerk's music and that's all I'm really concerned with when it comes down to it. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 07 Jun 1998 00:24:28 EDT In a message dated 6/6/1998 11:36:46 PM, you wrote: << At 06:35 PM 6/6/98 -0400, SRRecords@aol.com wrote: >Now that I've started my new pay-for-nothing summer job at a packaging >plant/bakery, I've realized that Kraftwerk came very close (either by accident >or design) to emulating mass production on Computer World (mainly "it's more >fun to compute" and "home computer"). The mass production machines (huge) >that spit out bags and bags of snack treats make some of the most incredible >rhythms via air pressure valves (various resonant white noise structures) and >other gear-turning sounds. . . . . .some of these beats are in 4/4, they come >complete with variations (machines get slightly out of sync every so often), >and even have some dynamics/accented notes. If only it wasn't a security >issue, I'd bring some recording equipment in and capture this entire world of >sounds!!!! > You should sneak in a small DAT. Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.encoreelectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at Akasaka - 1st Web Site Date: 07 Jun 1998 14:39:42 +1000 All, Just got back from Tokyo and I have put the 1st material up. It is some photos from the shows and a pretty good Real Audio of the 'renewed' song in the set. I will be assembling al full web site of the Tokyo shows with all photos, ads and gossip in the next few days. AT http://www.world.net/~adamr Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Official New Song Title Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:27:24 +1000 All, After the last show in Tokyo, I asked the sound mixer guy 'what was the last song before Music Non Stop called?" which we all know as the Luton Hoo New Song - he said it was called "Tribal" - "it's new" Someone in SF or LA go and ask him after the show to confirm that the other new song is Airwaves remix or a new track title. He is skinny with a huge moustache and quite friendly and talkative. There were some VIP guests at Tokyo who were handed a fax sheet of all the song titles. The very 1st piece is called "Opening" before "Numbers" kicks in. Check out the backstage passes worn by the crew and the VIP passes, they are new Kraftwerk logos and designs that I have not seen before. One is a mouse arrow and the other is a speaker with a lightning bolt. Cooool. Kraftwerk soundcheck at about 5pm so be early. We heard Radioactivity, Home Computer and new song at the 1st Tokyo show. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 10:14:35 wrote: >Is this statement really true?: > >>"Either >>way, I can't help but feel that it's none of my business what his >>sexual preference is or what the details of his personal life are. I >>love Kraftwerk's music and that's all I'm really concerned with when it >>comes down to it." A statement (or more accurately, a feeling) like this one cannot be true or false, but merely an opinion, and indeed it is just that, my opinion. >Here's why I ask: > >Is there a person on this list whom, if they saw this cover line on the front >of MUSICIAN magazine: > >INSIDE: EXCLUSIVE 48-PAGE INTERVIEW WITH *KRAFTWERK*'S RALF & FLORIAN! > >and, seeing only one issue left, would not spend their *bus fare* on that >magazine, if that was all they had in their pockets? When dealing with Kraftwerk, a 48-page interview is no longer an interview at all, it's a book! :) Hehe, yes I can honestly say that I'd most likely pass on the magazine. As it is, I've never been someone who collects press clippings, interviews, magazine articles, album & concert reviews, etc, even of my favorite band. I remember when a while back Kraftwerk were featured on the cover of MOJO magazine and everyone was discussing the article on the list. I came face to face with that issue of MOJO in Revolver Records right here on 8th Street in NYC and passed on it. The music itself is really all I'm after. >The truth is: > >1) If all one cared about was their music, they would see the issue, and keep >walking, since there would, presumably, be no music inside. Correct, sir! :) >2) Most people, though certainly not all, if they care about any person's or >entity's musical ideas, eventually become concerned with the *circumstances* >of their ideas; the experiences which led them to those ideas. In many cases this can be true, and it's particularly the case when dealing with musical artists whose music is rather personal and intro- spective in some way (usually lyrically). In those regards, it can be intriguing (though certainly not necessary) to understand what situations the performer(s) may have lived through which ended up in the song somehow. The previous poster mentioned Louis Armstrong, who'd be a prime example of an artist whose personal situations could definitely enlighten a listener as to why he ended up incorporating blues themes into his jazz. In the case of Kraftwerk however, I find them to be about as conceptual as a band can be, and find the vast majority of their work to be at least seemingly free of influence from their own personal situations, perhaps even too much so at times! :) I like having the free range to interpret their music in a manner that's suitable for me, without being told what everything is supposed to mean or where the ideas come from in the first place. Ralf's being gay or straight will really not alter the manner in which I enjoy listening to their albums. Now if this were Erasure we were talking about it might be another story, for the day I see Ralf Huetter come out on-stage wearing tight orange spandex and a tu-tu, I'll be damned if I don't start asking some questions. =) 6 days until KRAFTWERK in NYC!! -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Akasaka - 1st Web Site Date: 07 Jun 1998 17:14:02 +0200 >Just got back from Tokyo and I have put the 1st material up. >>> AKASAKA BLITZ, TOKYO, JAPAN These following photos are from the 3 nights in Tokyo last week. Some are not so good quality, but you get the idea. <<< many many thanks Adam! I was not there but I did get the idea. >>> TOUR DE FRANCE Red. White and Blurred <<< yes, blurred but this is the picture I'll put on a mag, if it only showed them all... >>> AIRWAVES A much longer intro version of this song. <<< and this one too... >>> MAN MACHINE Semi Human Being <<< aren't here Florian and Fritz smiling at each other? >>> DENTAKU The crowd goes wild...... <<< and here, what did they wear? leather jacket? or syntethic? either way they should be pouring sweat... >>> ROBOTS The Japanese audience paticularly liked the Robots. <<< yees! and japanese could be the only one to show a... how do you call that folding device woman use to ventilate themselves? an hand-held ventilator? anyway, to show such item at a gig! traditional and cool! really! again, many thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 11:42:16 EDT In a message dated 98-06-07 10:15:43 EDT, nebulous@erols.com writes: << The music itself is really all I'm after. >> Then, why would you even be on this list???? Do not take that the wrong way, I am glad you and everyone is on here, but if your opinions are complete and accurate that you stated on your post, then it might be contradictory that you would read and participate on this list # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 07 Jun 1998 12:51:52 -0400 Can someone recommend similar groups like "Kraftwerk" . I also enjoy the groups "Yello" and "Buffalo Daughter","Frazier Chorus".. very much as well. What I especially enjoy is backwards music but there are so few groups doing this.Strange sounds,repetitive loops etc. The stranger the better...( I like music that scares me) Melodic as well.Straight industrial is too plain for me. There was a band many years ago called "Dalek I Love you" that did some very scarey music. Thanks in advance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 07 Jun 1998 13:26:27 +0500 On 07-Jun-98, Nitrous@home.com wrote: >What I especially enjoy is backwards music but there are >so few groups doing this.Strange sounds,repetitive loops etc. >The stranger the better...( I like music that scares me) I thought "Read Only Memory" by Chrome was pretty scary-- especially the backwards drum loop that kept turning up in "I Am the Jaw". For some reason it made me think of the more hectic scenes in "Alien". Chrome's other stuff isn't as extreme as "R.O.M.", but they've done some interesting music over the years. -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas Date: 07 Jun 1998 11:11:41 -0700 Kraftwerk Merchandise Ideas A few months ago I conducted a poll here of ideas for Kraftwerk merchandise ideas. The question asked was: if you were a product designer at a firm that had a license to produce Kraftwerk merchandising, what would you create? Please submit your ideas again. Here is what we came up with last time-- Toy/Play Related-- Kraftwerk Metal Lunchbox (classic retro) Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Kling Klang Studio) Kraftwerk Toy Playset (Concert Lineup) Miniature KW robots that move in reaction to sounds in the room. Kraftwerk programmable robot set Kraftwerk action men - four to collect Kraftwerk mannequins (with or without robotics) --Life-Sized Fully FunKtional ROBOTS!! Walk in the room and they start playing tunes! KooL! Kraftwerk Barbie girl --Kraftwerk wooden toy-blocks to build images like constructivists ones in Man Machine. Kraftwerk inspired electronic circuitry kits Kraftwerk playing cards...the original four faces for K, Q, J, A. Kraftwerk - bleep-sound-emitter (heehee, funny) Kraftwerk - Geiger-counter Collectibles-- Kraftwerk Hallmark Ornament (like the Beatles one if you've seen it) Kraftwerk figurines (like Hummels, etc...) Kraftwerk Coins/Stamps/Postcards Kraftwerk Traffic Cone Limited Set of Four - Each signed by a band member --Kraftwerk themed cards for birthdays, the one that you open and they start playing a tune. Computer Related-- Kraftwerk Calculator Kraftwerk Limited Edition Pentium Computer KW Limited Edition PowerPC Amiga. Kraftwerk MACINTOSH Kraftwerk Ataris Kraftwerk Mac Powerbook Kraftwerk set of ttf fonts. --Kraftwerk CD-ROM game? That should be possible...Take the cast of either Ralf or Florian in this mechanical platform adventure to save all of industrium from the tree hugger princesses! heehee --Multi-Level Game based on the various -(main)- Album themes. You start out avoiding obstacles on the AUTOBAHN, go through a 3-D Electronic MAZE -(between each level)-, save the ATOMKRAFTWERK from a Nuclear Melt-Down, do the MAZE, ride the TEE to pick up the Showroom Dummies in the Hall of Mirrors, MAZE, go underground to METROPOLIS and pick up The ROBOTS, MAZE, go inside the Computer World for more electronic mayhem, MAZE, ride bikes to Electric Cafe, MAZE, and end up with The MIX- a little bit of everything, including NEW Tour Tunes! Kraftwerk Screen Saver (A-U-T-O-B-A-H-N) Kraftwerk Screen Saver (ENDLOS) Kraftwerk Screen Saver (NEON LIGHTS) --Kraftwerk Computer Wallpaper (i.e., background, various, especially: four faces as in cover of Computer World) Kraftwerk sounds to add to computer mouse clicks Small size Traffic Cone Set (3 inch cones to place around computers) Useful Living Products-- Kraftwerk telephones --Kraftwerk telephone, of course! with an answering machine that say "the number you've dialed is wrong... please check and call again..." Full set of answering machine themes built with Kraftwerk sampling. A lamp made with the traffic cones Kraftwerk alarm clock (wakes you up with "Morgenspaziergang") --The four plexiglass boxes with the four Kraftwerk names built with a neon tube, to be used as postmodern lamps in designer houses. Kraftwerk neon sign --A line of electric torches or energy saving bulb light branded something after Neon Lights. Transportation-- Kraftwerk Bicycle Kraftwerk limited edition blue/red bicycle Kraftwerk tours on TEE, the train, with special issued tickets. Kraftwerk - (old) Mercedes in black with blue seats and "Autobahn" - logo Kraftwerk - Volkswagen beetle in white - " - Music Related-- Kraftwerk CD Box (to hold Kraftwerk CD's) Kraftwerk radio... Kraftwerk radio tuner as in Radioactivity. Kraftwerk shortwave radio Kraftwerk music keyboards. Special-edition KW-inspired electronic musical instruments Remake of that old ABBA song.....gimme gimme gimme a DROID after midnight..... And the ultimate... a new Kraftwerk album... Food Related-- Kraftwerk Drinking Glasses (one for each band member and each album) Kraftwerk extra black coffee in special mug --A special lines of ananas or ananas juice branded something like "the original ananas from Ananas Symphonie" --Eggs sold in heavy card boxes, stressing on the facts that is the same card boxes used in the wall of the back cover of R&F album. Kraftwerk All-Automatic Kaffine Konvenience Centerette hi-tech re-MIX of previously released coffee Trans-Europa Espresso.... KRAFTWERK Recipes! Kraftwerk Coffee Making Machine ("...plays a little melody" when coffee ready) Kraftwerk breakfast cereal. ... Snap! Techno! Pop! ROBOPOPS! *mMmMm*! --Edible 12" KW Albums, with the masters cut into licorice or various flavors/colors of taffy-like candy dics, including Neon Lights in phosphorescent green. Ralf&Flo' ice cream, with hutter's crushed nuts.... The mix Pancake mix, which goes great with ananas ;-) Kraftwerk Kling Klang Energy Bar (for bicycle riding) Clothing/Fashion Statements-- Full line of Kraftwerk bicycle garments Blue-white-red (or fluorescent like the famous Neonlight single?) bicycle helmet. Red shirt/black tie --Black (or was it dark gray?) sweaters, the ones with high collar...that they wore in pre-Tribal Gathering concerts. Big "music symbol" (a quaver? a bischrome?) pin that Florian wear on TEE cover Kraftwerk black fur collar coat. Kraftwerk sun glasses Post-TG Kraftwerk techno sunglasses "Man Machine" branded lipstick and cosmetic powder, only for soldier of course. Kraftwerk wrist watch (flourescent of course) Kraftwerk branded antigas masks Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK-Warfield-Today! Date: 07 Jun 1998 11:23:22 -0700 I'm going now to see Kraftwerk in concert! So cool! I've been a fan for 23 years. Wow. This will be great. I am bringing an LP cover of Computer World for Kraftwerk and all the fans I meet to sign. I'll also bring a pad of paper to log the songs for the playlist. I'm also carrying a card that says "KONVOY!" to meet others from the list. I'll post a summary of the show here tonight. Endlos, Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK-Warfield-Today! Date: 07 Jun 1998 14:46:50 EDT On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:23:22 -0700 Fred Becker writes: > >I'm going now to see Kraftwerk in concert! So cool! I've been a fan >for >23 years. Wow. This will be great. >I am bringing an LP cover of Computer World for Kraftwerk and all the >fans >I meet to sign. >>I'll also bring a pad of paper to log the songs for the playlist. >>I'm also carrying a card that says "KONVOY!" to meet others from the >list. >>I'll post a summary of the show here tonight. > why not bring a tape deck for cryin' out loud....anyone tape this yet? thanks, tom w np: tribal gathering gig.... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 15:01:34 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: ><< The music itself is really all I'm after. >> >Then, why would you even be on this list???? >Do not take that the wrong way, I am glad you and everyone is on here, but if >your opinions are complete and accurate that you stated on your post, then it >might be contradictory that you would read and participate on this list Not contradictory at all, really. This mailing list isn't solely about the sexual preferences or eating habits of the members of Kraftwerk, and thankfully so. hehehe I, like many other fans of the band, are here to discuss their music. Many of us on this list are musicians ourselves, so there has always been plenty to say about the specifics of their albums, their conceptualism, the equipment used, sound patches, synth modules, vocoders, drum machines, etc., not to mention the announcements of upcoming tour dates and other such relevant information. A mailing list like this one serves many purposes and caters to the tastes of many different types of KW fan, which is why I've remained here so long. Hope that answers the question. :) -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 15:55:00 EDT In a message dated 6/7/1998 11:47:45 AM, you wrote: <> Then, why would you even be on this list???? Do not take that the wrong way, I am glad you and everyone is on here, but if your opinions are complete and accurate that you stated on your post, then it might be contradictory that you would read and participate on this list >> Ultravox's statement is, somewhat, aligned with my point; i.e., illustrated with the 48-page interview. And I appreciate what nebulous (Scott) said in reply! Best, HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Al Barrios Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 15:41:43 -0500 Greetings everyone... boy this thread has become quite popular, but it is nice to see some activity amongst this list..I think that of course the main thing about this group is the music of kw, but curiousity about the current and former members and the lives they lead outside of music of kw is natural, though if we start discussing the underwear size of ralf and florian, then we may need to relook our discussion topics :-) and of course everyone needs their privacy there is a huge potential of topics in relation to kraftwerk, which is sometimes realized, but sometimes not... with their visual, conceptual, intellectual, musical, and historic aspects of the music, the conversation can be quite sizable.... though the idea of ralf in a pink tutu is quite funny,,,but that's a different rant.. Well i hoped this made some sense, if not, well don't lynch me :-) and to any list members going to see kw live, have lots of fun and may you avoid any scalpers on the night of the show Yours truly, heather d. Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > Not contradictory at all, really. This mailing list isn't solely > about the sexual preferences or eating habits of the members of Kraftwerk, > and thankfully so. hehehe I, like many other fans of the band, are here > to discuss their music..... their conceptualism, the equipment used, sound > patches, synth modules,vocoders, drum machines, etc., not to mention the > announcements of upcoming tour dates and other such relevant information. > A mailing list like thisone serves many purposes and caters to the tastes of > many different types of KW fan, Ditto, couldn't agree more on that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:49:46 EDT In a message dated 6/6/98 6:23:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mar@markgenius1.demon.co.uk writes: > I think it's generally common knowledge that Florian is married and has > children and Ralf lives with his sister and her husband / family > somewhere in Dusseldorf. I might just be wrong here, but it apparently isn't common knowledge about Florian and Ralf, hence this discussion regarding their personal lives.... that's just my take on it. And, just because everyone else is, and I'm a poser, I think I'll throw my 2 cents in regarding their personal lives... I think that being out of the spotlight for so long has probably helped KW maintain their anenimity/privacy... eg: Bush, Metallica, Scott Weiland (ha) are all in the music news constantly, and we know everything about them (I'm sure it's printed somewhere what Gavin's shoe size is... THAT'S detail!!) KW is far from the stare of the public eye that the big boys are, and I'm sure they like it that way... but if KW's next album was to rock the Billboard charts... we'd know everything and anything about them, and I'm sure that when they were in their peak, there were interviews in all the music news mags, etc... (although, I doubt any of us will ever know Florian's shoe size... sigh...)... and if Ralf is gay, all the power to him... but, given past examples, none of us will ever know... and I won't lose any sleep over it. KW kicks ass... 'nuff said, I'm over it. Havoc "Shut up. Stop Talking." --Jubei, from "Ninja Scroll" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrism@bbn.hp.com Subject: (kw) ROBOT / Christoph - 1 hour to go - Last update from the Warfield!!! Date: 07 Jun 1998 14:03 -0700 Hey Werkers! This is a live report directly from room 504 in the Union Square Plaza Hotel close to the Warfield. Last report before we get in line in front of the warfield... ROBOT and I picked up jbv at the airport this morning, had breakfast with him, then he went off to his hotel. Gonna meet later at the show. On the way back to our hotel (1.5h ago) we went past the Warfield backstage area, took a peek into the open door to the stage area, the sound crew was setting up the stage, lotsa KW stuff there (all in boxes/cases, I bet one of them had the robots in them) ... the boys were not around (ROBOT keeps hallucinating all the time - "Look, there's Florian over there ... oh no, that's not him .. but over there. ... " so it's my job to get her back down to earth all the time :)) She's *really* nervous, I can tell you ... 20 years of anticipation ... And she's *really* happy about the photos of Florian that Hiroshi made jbv bring her from Tokyo. Okay, that's it for now, you'll get a ROBOT update after we're back from the show. Happy werkin' Christoph ROBOT sez: *sigh* yeah- that's basically it. I jokingly asked the guy at back door "So, where are the boys; hiding from their adoring public?" The guy just chucked and very nicely explained that he coulnd't let us linger, so I said we were just admiring, he was very understanding. We expressed gratitude for being able to get a good look and happily moved on. I gave a "YEEHAH" and a couple of kow-tows toward the trucks of stuff in the alley, and ofcourse I could not resist trailing my trembling fingers along a couple of cases as we walked past the Equipment lined up against the wall. We'll try to be in line by 3-4pm. Nobody was lined up earlier, so, I'm not worried. We're THERE!! :]]]]]]]] ROBOGIGASMILEY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) a concert report at Tokyo Date: 08 Jun 1998 00:12:43 +0200 > > >>But I can't review in detail. >>Because of my poor English. :) > >ok, then whistle the songs and encode it on an mpeg file... :-) > I see that humour in this mail list is fine. X-DD ------------------------ Juan Prieto- MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 08 Jun 1998 08:09:35 +1000 Tokyo Concert Reports. I got back yesterday from the 3 Kraftwerk shows in Tokyo. Tokyo is an amazing city and was an interesting setting for a Kraftwerk concert series. I met with list member Hiroshi Murata and his friend Kouru on the day before the 1st show for a 1st look around Tokyo on 1/6 and within a few hours we had already bumped into Florian Schneider outside a subway station. He and four of the crew members were trying to find the Blue Note Jazz club. He was in a very good mood and posed with my friends for some very funny photos. He also immediately recognised me from when we met in Linz last year. Mind you, an Australian wearing a Robots t-shirt tends to stand out on the Tokyo streets.... Later that evening, my japanese hosts took me on a tour of 'bootleg paradise', an area around Shinjuku with probably the highest concentration of bootleg CD shops on earth. Some of the shops were amazing, thousands of illegal videos and cd's. Within a few hours I had lost a large chunk of my yen for 6 Kraftwerk CD's including a new one released for the tour called 'Dentaku World' of the 7/9/81 show. Another shop had several Kraftwerk videos and one amazingly small record shop had just about every Kraftwerk vinyl rarity I could think of, including a Tour De France from Peru! I picked up some very nice original japanese 7" and two different old Kometenmelodie 2 singles. We met up with JBV and friend and over the next few days had a series of wonderful japanese dinners. This mailing list is really a great thing where 5 people from different corners of the planet can get together and swap stories. Akasaka Blitz is a very modern looking building and the venue inside is very good although quite small, only 1900 people. The acoustics inside were excellent and the view was great. The www.kraftwerk.com shop was open and selling 4 types of t-shirt. Throughout the 1st evening there was long queue of fans buying arms full of shirts and the shop was sold out by the 2nd night. Inside the venue a stall was selling the new re-released japanese CD's, exactly the same as the originals I am afraid. At exactly 7pm the familiar Opening music started and the lights dimmed a few minutes later the Kraftwerk voice announced 'mein dammen...'. The curtains opened for Numbers and revealed the Kling Klang stage. They have returned to the V shaped stage set from 1991. The stage set also has a much improved light show from last years shows, with coloured lights illuminating the whole backdrop. The stage looks really very good. Briefly, the set is not too different from last year. One of the new songs has gone and 'The Model' makes a reappearance. 'Radioactivity' sounds particularly good and 'Trans Europe Express' really has to be heard live. A very big sound. 'Airwaves' has been changed quite a bit with Ralf singing solo at the start and the last new song has been remixed and sounds quite different. The audience cheered when 'Ich Ni San Chi' intoned and went completely nuts when 'Pocket Calculator' became 'Dentaku'. Between the songs the audience would clap and then a total silence would fall, so you could hear the band whispering to each other on stage. The 1st night did involve (has I had hoped) some interesting mistakes. The intro to 'Radioactivity' got stuck an stuttered for a minute before Hilpert fixed it. The funniest mistake was in 'Pocket Calculator' when it seemed a sample had been loaded incorrectly and in the middle of the song a loud saxophone sound blurted out!. The band looked at each other and started laughing. Hilpert then used the sound over again at the end of the song. The 2nd night started as usual, but suddenly 'Numbers' stopped after a couple of minutes. Then silence for 3 minutes and the lights went out. After a long break, the voice of Kraftwerk started again and the show began again from the top. The Kling Klang set up has been changed since the '97 shows, there are a few new Doepher devices and I think Ralf is now playing a Roland JP8000. There are a lot more parts played live, as I could often hear small mistakes. The sounds in each song changed slightly each night. After the 2nd show JBV and myself again met Florian. He was walking back to his hotel by himself. He asked if we were going to the show again tomorrow and said, smiling, that 'that is not good for the ears' The 3rd and final show went much better with no major mistakes and the sound mix had improved from the previous nights. The audience again goes wild during 'Dentaku' and particularly love 'The Robots'. After the show I went up and asked the sound mixer what was the name of the song before 'Music Non Stop', he said is was a new song called 'Tribal'. There you go. He was also putting away the DAT recording of the nights show. Within 15 minutes all of the audience had left and there was only me standing there, so I wandered to the backstage door in time to see the 4 Robots being put into their cases. Fritz Hilpert wandered past and came over to talk to me. I asked him about the 1st nights saxophone mistake. He said that the sample is from the voice processor and the midi channel was crossed. He said that Kraftwerk will be going to Australia next year. He also said that he was looking forward to the U.S. leg - 'It should be interesting' He signed my CD cover and got the rest of the group to do the same. Ralf Hutter then spoke with me for a few minutes. I asked in about the new record and he said that 'maybe we release it after the tour'. He also confirmed that Kraftwerk will play Australia and asked me 'Do you think Australia is a good place for us to play?' I definitely got the impression that he is very unsure of audience reaction and seemed genuinely surprised by the japanese audience approval. The next day I gave the last of my Yen to a couple bootleg shops and hopped a plane home. Overall, the shows are much better than the '97 shows, and a good small venue makes a big difference. The sound is very good and the small parts of extra live playing makes it a little more interesting, but 3 shows in a row was about as much as I could take. I thought that some of the background videos were slightly different, but JBV disagreed, he is probably correct. Photos from the show and a small real audio sample can be found at: http://www.world.net/~adamr I will be updating it with some new material at the end of the week with some more sound and the magazines I picked up in Tokyo. Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 08 Jun 1998 01:17:16 +0200 >Can someone recommend similar groups like "Kraftwerk" . well, there is no one like K! really! at last no one I can think of. that said, I suggest you to check Lassigue Bendthaus (Bendhaus?). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: odsplut@ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) ...the World is my Factory. Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:44:16 -0700 ...so then, Kraftwelt has managed a new release; "retroish" (Hypnotic Records CLPO285-2), to coincide with the Kraftwerk Tour '98...more of the same, really...maybe a bit more melodic... This post simply serves to forewarn as Kraftwelt CDs are known to find their way into the "Kraftwerk" section and I would'nt want any of you suffering with the same bout of misguided enthusiasm as myself... ...what has it been now..?..17 years..? A rather "retroish" tour indeed! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:29:07 EDT Thanks, Adam! Excellent report!!!! I could see it. Also, I'm surprised that Ralf & Florian are as personable as you say! Best, Harry Allen In a message dated 6/7/1998 6:28:16 PM, you wrote: << Tokyo Concert Reports. I got back yesterday from the 3 Kraftwerk shows in Tokyo. Tokyo is an amazing city and was an interesting setting for a Kraftwerk concert series. I met with list member Hiroshi Murata and his friend Kouru on the day before the 1st show for a 1st look around Tokyo on 1/6 and within a few hours we had already bumped into Florian Schneider outside a subway station. He and four of the crew members were trying to find the Blue Note Jazz club. He was in a very good mood and posed with my friends for some very funny photos. He also immediately recognised me from when we met in Linz last year. Mind you, an Australian wearing a Robots t-shirt tends to stand out on the Tokyo streets.... Later that evening, my japanese hosts took me on a tour of 'bootleg paradise', an area around Shinjuku with probably the highest concentration of bootleg CD shops on earth. Some of the shops were amazing, thousands of illegal videos and cd's. Within a few hours I had lost a large chunk of my yen for 6 Kraftwerk CD's including a new one released for the tour called 'Dentaku World' of the 7/9/81 show. Another shop had several Kraftwerk videos and one amazingly small record shop had just about every Kraftwerk vinyl rarity I could think of, including a Tour De France from Peru! I picked up some very nice original japanese 7" and two different old Kometenmelodie 2 singles. We met up with JBV and friend and over the next few days had a series of wonderful japanese dinners. This mailing list is really a great thing where 5 people from different corners of the planet can get together and swap stories. Akasaka Blitz is a very modern looking building and the venue inside is very good although quite small, only 1900 people. The acoustics inside were excellent and the view was great. The www.kraftwerk.com shop was open and selling 4 types of t-shirt. Throughout the 1st evening there was long queue of fans buying arms full of shirts and the shop was sold out by the 2nd night. Inside the venue a stall was selling the new re-released japanese CD's, exactly the same as the originals I am afraid. At exactly 7pm the familiar Opening music started and the lights dimmed a few minutes later the Kraftwerk voice announced 'mein dammen...'. The curtains opened for Numbers and revealed the Kling Klang stage. They have returned to the V shaped stage set from 1991. The stage set also has a much improved light show from last years shows, with coloured lights illuminating the whole backdrop. The stage looks really very good. Briefly, the set is not too different from last year. One of the new songs has gone and 'The Model' makes a reappearance. 'Radioactivity' sounds particularly good and 'Trans Europe Express' really has to be heard live. A very big sound. 'Airwaves' has been changed quite a bit with Ralf singing solo at the start and the last new song has been remixed and sounds quite different. The audience cheered when 'Ich Ni San Chi' intoned and went completely nuts when 'Pocket Calculator' became 'Dentaku'. Between the songs the audience would clap and then a total silence would fall, so you could hear the band whispering to each other on stage. The 1st night did involve (has I had hoped) some interesting mistakes. The intro to 'Radioactivity' got stuck an stuttered for a minute before Hilpert fixed it. The funniest mistake was in 'Pocket Calculator' when it seemed a sample had been loaded incorrectly and in the middle of the song a loud saxophone sound blurted out!. The band looked at each other and started laughing. Hilpert then used the sound over again at the end of the song. The 2nd night started as usual, but suddenly 'Numbers' stopped after a couple of minutes. Then silence for 3 minutes and the lights went out. After a long break, the voice of Kraftwerk started again and the show began again from the top. The Kling Klang set up has been changed since the '97 shows, there are a few new Doepher devices and I think Ralf is now playing a Roland JP8000. There are a lot more parts played live, as I could often hear small mistakes. The sounds in each song changed slightly each night. After the 2nd show JBV and myself again met Florian. He was walking back to his hotel by himself. He asked if we were going to the show again tomorrow and said, smiling, that 'that is not good for the ears' The 3rd and final show went much better with no major mistakes and the sound mix had improved from the previous nights. The audience again goes wild during 'Dentaku' and particularly love 'The Robots'. After the show I went up and asked the sound mixer what was the name of the song before 'Music Non Stop', he said is was a new song called 'Tribal'. There you go. He was also putting away the DAT recording of the nights show. Within 15 minutes all of the audience had left and there was only me standing there, so I wandered to the backstage door in time to see the 4 Robots being put into their cases. Fritz Hilpert wandered past and came over to talk to me. I asked him about the 1st nights saxophone mistake. He said that the sample is from the voice processor and the midi channel was crossed. He said that Kraftwerk will be going to Australia next year. He also said that he was looking forward to the U.S. leg - 'It should be interesting' He signed my CD cover and got the rest of the group to do the same. Ralf Hutter then spoke with me for a few minutes. I asked in about the new record and he said that 'maybe we release it after the tour'. He also confirmed that Kraftwerk will play Australia and asked me 'Do you think Australia is a good place for us to play?' I definitely got the impression that he is very unsure of audience reaction and seemed genuinely surprised by the japanese audience approval. The next day I gave the last of my Yen to a couple bootleg shops and hopped a plane home. Overall, the shows are much better than the '97 shows, and a good small venue makes a big difference. The sound is very good and the small parts of extra live playing makes it a little more interesting, but 3 shows in a row was about as much as I could take. I thought that some of the background videos were slightly different, but JBV disagreed, he is probably correct. Photos from the show and a small real audio sample can be found at: http://www.world.net/~adamr I will be updating it with some new material at the end of the week with some more sound and the magazines I picked up in Tokyo. Adam Read >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 07 Jun 1998 23:20:23 -0400 (EDT) >Another shop had several Kraftwerk videos and one amazingly small record shop had >just about every Kraftwerk vinyl rarity I could think of, including a Tour De France >from Peru! I picked up some very nice original japanese 7" and two different old >Kometenmelodie 2 singles. Peru!, yeah!. Jose, Lima - Peru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) WARFIELD show Date: 08 Jun 1998 02:32:30 EDT Just got home....it was incredible.......fantastic..... But, having said that....with the exception of the post CW songs and some changes(minor) with the videos,it was almost identical to 1981 at the Santa Monica Civic....But don't misunderstand, I loved every second!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 08 Jun 1998 09:19:31 +0200 > Thanks for a truly VERY nice report. It almost makes you feel like you > were there. > Couldn't help feeling a sting of envy reading a bout you talking to > the boys. > > Regards > Eric > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Family life of KW Date: 08 Jun 1998 04:28:26 EDT Florian has been associated with girlfriend(s), eg. Sandhya Whally (who provided some of the operator vocals on Telefonanruf) and (i think) is now a father. As for Ralf ? I think Bussy states that he lives in a family property, quite possible on his own. I think turning KW into freaks is a little strong: Just think of how natural and open Fluer and Bartos have been in recent interviews. Although they've never actually been candid about R&F (in public) I think it would have been hard for them to stick it out in a band if the other two colleagues were as mad as people seem to think. KW is image. I bet Ralf can be found down the local boozer on a Friday night, off his tits on Pils and taking the piss out of us lot. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) New oficial live CD? Date: 08 Jun 1998 10:40:30 +0100 At http://www=2Eboxman=2Ese/ i found a KW-record called Concert Classics sc= eduled for release 1998-06-29=95distributed by "MNW Distribution AB" Boxman only keeps oficial KW releases=2E What is this? /johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrism@bbn.hp.com Subject: (kw) mail from ROBOT!! SPOILER ALERT!!! Date: 08 Jun 1998 00:12 -0700 !!=SPOILER ALERT=!! *WhooOOP-WhooOOP* ROBOT's Konzert Review (Warfield, SF): Overall, it was EXcellent and FUN!! There was ONE totally hysterical glitch. Poor Florian! His Calculator wasn't WERKing during most of the tune. -(sorry, I'll stand in the MIDDLE next time and spead out my love/feedback more evenly*blush*)- So, he made the best of it and clowned around with it. First he was shocked, kept punching buttons, exchanged worried glances with the others, looked at the audience and shrugged- the audience laughed WITH him, not AT him- then he shook it, "strangled" it, swung it up and caught it, mimed a few punch-button/spasm moves -(oh, God, YES!)-, kept clowning, Ralf & Henning & Fritz were smiling, etc- and FINALLY it WERKed! YAY! Applause/cheers! They finished the song with pinache`. True ROBO-Troopers! The ROBOTS performed flawlessly, btw. -(good thing I had the rail to hang on to!*SPAZZZ*!)- There were some out-of-synch sequences, but, overall the SOUND was GOOD. I was in front of Florian to the right, and it still sounded fairly well ballanced,! ! although Ralf's voice needed to be turned up a bit. -(JBV said he sounded better in Tokyo. I thought he sounded nice. Just quiet. Jet lag.)- Another neat-0 surprise: they were wearing shiny black zip-up mock turtleneck shirts at first, and they turned a deep RED/Burgandy when the red lights hit 'em on RADIOAKTIVITY. I'm sure someone else with a clear(er) head can quote the track list. M.M was half English/half German. Very nice! The 2 new tracks were very impressive *LIVE*- they sounded much more complete. The sound files on the net don't do them justice. I'm sorry- I know this is all jumbled and out of chronological order. I just wanted to tell the highlights while it's fresh on what's left of my brain. The crowd was VERY enthusiastic- full 2 hour gig with a couple short breaks. Our beloved heroes made their customary exits 1 by 1 and disappeared into the San Fransisco fog. l They're probably on a red-eye 1/2 way to LAX by now. See ya tomorrow at the Palladium, boys! :] incident'ly, it rained/drizzled a bit. Christoph & I arrived around 3 and only 2 people were there before us- since NOON. The line didn't get long til 6pm. Doors opened at 7, show started about 8:15. The pre-bleeps were NICE! :] okay- I'm gonna forget stuff- I'll have to fill in later. It will be interesting to compare with tomorrow's gig. *SIGH* Yes, it was WORTH waiting 20 years for. I was not the least bit disappointed. There was a certain "familiarity" -(from videos)- to calm me down just a tiny bit. In fact, I expected KW to be more "sedate", -(they were pretty still at first, but not "boring")- however, I honestly didn't expect The ROBOTS and RA to be so ovedrwhelming! Those LIGHTS!! The sudden BRIGHTNESS- The VIBES!! It totally kicks @$$!! Lord almighty! The Ultimate K-gasm!!*OOOMPH*!! I cried HAPPY tears throughout the Konzert- then sad tears 'cause it was over. BUT- I get to do it again tomorrow! I'm up for it. I want it EVery night!! FOREVER!! And EVER!! HALLELUJAH!! I'm gonna have some wild dreams tonight!*OOooWEEE*! Thank you, Christoph, for letting me type this! Thanks to EVERYone who helped make this wonderful dream cum true!! -(I lost count....)- *SIGH* [ROBOT out- till Thursday the 11th- unless I find a convenient CyberCafe in LA] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Family life of KW Date: 08 Jun 1998 11:49:06 +0200 >KW is image. I bet Ralf can be found down the local boozer on a Friday night, >off his tits on Pils and taking the piss out of us lot. > Exactly! But a very sophisticated image... thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 08 Jun 1998 06:07:18 EDT You're right about the absence of bass. But I think you have to place that in context of the "production values" prevalent at the time their individual recordings were made. Listen to any "pop song" of the 80s and compare to one of the 90s - there is a huge difference in the place of bass in the mix. Fact is: KW were never particularly original in the WAY they recorded their music. What I find most infuriating is the tendency of bassy parts of the mix drifting in and out. Their levels are all over the bloody place sometimes. In a sense that adds to the dynamic of some tracks (listen to Numbers' big drum sound and the clicks, they just move in and out of mix at random) but as a 90s listener accustomed to continous uni-level pumping bass in dance music it's strange and often annoying. Times have changed. Perhaps the Mix version of Radioactivity is one of the few occassions were KW have bowed to the publics demand for bass. But of course, the Mix is the album that has dated most of all - it's not abstract enough to survive like Radio Activity or Electric Cafe, it's not classic enough to be TEE and it's not good enough to be Man Machine or Computer World. The Mix is too slow, suffers from some horribly cheesy percussion sounds (re- sampling has made many of the original analogue sounds too clinical, have too much presence) and is the kind of megamix album that you now associate with stuff that is accepted to have a shelf and interest life of about 1 week. More new material please. PS Has anyone noticed the similarity between (I think) the TG97 new track's hook and the "theme" from It's more fun to Compute" ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) Warfield show Date: 08 Jun 1998 03:24:02 -0700 Back home in the sticks at three in the morning after a wonderful show. The first new song was very beautiful, the visuals were an ocilloscope, the shapes of the sounds were exciting as the sounds themselves. I felt that these songs could go on and on. Wished they did. The crowd was loving of them. Is it a kind of revival? The second new song was great too. There was a very powerful sound like a throttle - it was felt as such in the audience... I brought a friend that had heard of Kraftwerk a whole two weeks ago, he really enjoyed himself. Consensus from the people behind me that these songs should be in the clubs. Where are they? It was a presentation of, a future that was? Anyway I'm glad I got to see them. Like Robot I have been waiting twenty years. In the 1980s I never thought I would be seeing them so close to the year two thousand, and that one of the songs would be autobahn. The new material sounds great, let's hear more. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf off his tits on bier Date: 08 Jun 1998 09:07:09 EDT My apologies to deutsche bierkenner: If - hypothetically speaking of course - Ralf were indeed to enter his local hostelry for purposes of imbibing liquid refreshment containing traces of alcohol created through a process of fermentation of malted barley enhanced with the adjunct of hops, then he would prob. not drink Pils: In Duesseldorf he would drink "Alt" and - if he should be in Cologne (approx. 30 minutes on the IC) he would drink "Koelsch". Either way, he'd get off his tits ! Prost. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Akasaka - Web Site Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:27:37 +1000 > AKASAKA BLITZ, TOKYO, JAPAN > > These following photos are from the 3 nights in Tokyo last week. Some > are not so good quality, but you get the idea. > <<< > > many many thanks Adam! I was not there but I did get the idea. I have updated the pages at http://www.world.net/~adamr with the rest of the the photos from Japan. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dorthe Cohrs Subject: (kw) re:lyrics Date: 08 Jun 1998 10:42:43 EDT Hallo Mit-maschinen. Hi fellow machines. I don't know whether I should write in German or English but it seems that most here are English-based life forms so I will try my best. Not that my English is bad but I have a hard time talking about German topics in English. Regarding the lyrics: I think Kraftwerk is one of the few bands combining using lyrics as an instrument, integrating it as a sound effect, and at the same time expressing an idea in words. If you ask me: would the words only be instrument, then you would be able to take words to one song and put them into another Kraftwerk song, and nobody would notice. But try it, and you will see, the meldoy and the meaning of the words are so fine-tuned to each other, the tone fits, and also, and call me weird or not, but the music makes you feel the lyrics, the meaning. Okay, I am quite poetic, overly dramatic, aber da kann man nix aendern. SEe? going off in German. Sorry, did not have a lot of sleep (met someone, completely beside the point, but let me tell you....) Only 6 days till NY>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao, Diz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CADBOT Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 07 Jun 1998 22:50:24 -0500 Does anyone know if KW members are subscribing to this list? You can't get a list of who subscribes from Major Domo as you can with other lists. You'd think that they probably view it some of the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Warfield Report From Fred Date: 08 Jun 1998 03:39:10 -0700 Kraftwerk Quakes SF! Look out USA! The US tour is off to a great start. Here is my live report (home) from the Warfield. I was in line early along with Robot, Christoff, JBV and new fans we met from San Jose and elsewhere. We had time to chat and meet and that is when I got fans to sign my Computer World LP cover. In all I got about 25 fan signatures. I think this is a great idea for some others to try. If you are really brave you can give it to Kraftwerk after the show. I wanted to keep mine. We would occasionally walk to the side of the building to watch all the equipment being loaded in and occasionally see the stage being set up. I recognized the four robot cases. The steel scaffolding you might see is used to hold the curtains and the interior sides of the stage. A big orange mobile generator is used to produce the 230 Volts, 50 Hz, European standard power for the computers. The semi-trailer used has a black cab with a white trailer. Someone saw "KW" on the front of the truck! It really is a KONVOY! A very loud security man at one point moved our line away from the building as the hour approached, and we all laughed at his amazing loud voice. He was funny. The first ones in line had a boom box and played Kraftwerk rare material the whole time, which was great to hear. One couple came to buy tickets on the street. They were too high priced, and we were very sorry to see them walk off. They were on the list. I hope they got in somehow. So the doors opened and we all happily rushed in. I was impressed by the interior of the Warfield. It is hugely elegant with gold carvings, ceiling paintings. It is somewhat oval shaped, not rectangular in the back. Very nice. I chose a spot right in front of the stage by Ralf's station. I collected more fan signatures while waiting inside the Warfield. I met a great fan named Guenther from Germany stationed here in the US in New Mexico. He is not on the list, but is a great fan and serious collector. I also met many others near me. Christoff stood in the center of the stage. ROBOT stood in front of Florian's stage. Finally the vocodor introduction began and Numbers began playing. The curtains opened and 17 years of US fans without Kraftwerk were swept away. Kraftwerk walked to their stations in a very deliberate and dignified fashion amid the wild cheering. I really liked the way they all sort of "set" themselves as they stood at their stations and began moving to the ongoing rhythm. I was amazed that the stage was laid out in the "L" shape again. Cool! Our railing was about five feet in front of the base of the stage. I was about fifteen feet from Ralf on stage. I was amazed at how I knew everything already The set list was apparently just like Tokyo. I dropped all thought of writing down each song as it came. I was too intent on the show. I didn't have a recorder to bring, but I hope somebody else did. Larry Lacost (sp?) who I met was next to me and took a lot of photos from our close up vantage point. >From watching Kraftwerk, or at least Ralf, I felt like the whole thing is just a toy to them, and they are like kids who have grown up but who still like to play. They are preserving the curiosity of being a kid by their songs. Do any of you remember how strange mannequins were when you were a kid? How about trains, machines, traffic cones, radio towers, neon lights, searchlights, etc... I think some of these songs come from that innocence of seeing strange new things and not knowing what they are. When Computer World began I held up my LP with all the fan signatures on it for Kraftwerk to see! I think they all saw it. Autobahn was a treat. They gave the engine a good four or five attempts at the start before it kicked in. The tempo was nice and slow, closer to the original version it seemed, though still retaining the Mix rhythm. Videos for Autobahn were great, as for all the songs. It was great to hear Airwaves, Man Machine and Tour de France. Again great videos on Tour de France. The real drama came with Pocket Calculator, Radioactivity and the Robots. Pocket Calculator is the only real good look at the band. Here the walk in front of their stands and play through remote units, as you all know. Well, Florian's was on the fritz. So we got to see some of their personality as they reacted to that and decided what to do about it. Very funny and the crowd was laughing and cheering about that while enjoying the music too. Florian kind of seriously stabbed at it, shook it, yanked on the cords and finally shrugged. He looked at the other band members and they all laughed with him. Then Florian tossed it up and down in his hands and acted like he would throw it to the crowd, swung it around a little and then just tapped his feet. All real funny. Then Fritz Hilpert went to Florian's station and changed something. Suddenly Florian could make come noise. We all cheered. They all laughed. This went on and on. It stopped making noise again, etc. Radioactivity was just an intense song. It is played very much like on The Mix or the Kevorkian remix. One thing I wished was that Florian would sings all those vocoded parts through a vocoder live. As it was, these were stored vocal samples that were played or sequenced. But the bass was just really booming on that one. I could see Fritz hitting some notes (or pretending to) in this song. These were the main theme notes: da-da da da-da-da da-da da-da "Radioactivity." See if this happens at your show. Then Robots played and then Robotronic, first just the keyboards and then keyboards plus Robots. This was a visual treat with strobe lights flashing in various syncopations while the Robots moved in synchronicity. At other times the lights at the base of the instruments behind the stations would illuminate to correspond to the song: red for Man Machine, green for Autobahn, red white and blue for Tour de France and so on. Here is the Tokyo play list, and I'm pretty sure it's the same that we saw: >01. Numbers >02. Computer World >03. Home Computer >04. The Man Machine >05. Tour De France >06. Autobahn >07. The Model >08. Air Waves (intro) - New Song 1 >09. Radioactivity >10. Trans Europe Express >11. Pocket Caluculator - DENTAKU >12. The Robots >13. New Song 2 >14. Music Non Stop The two new songs were quite good. I really liked the second one, which had a high vibrational intense rhythm. You couldn't tap your feet to it, only sort of shake yourself? Wow. At the end they came back on after The Robots with those reflective suits made to look like 3-d graphics wire-maps. Great visuals also accompanied this. Each member then took a solo and individually exited. The fans cheered as they left. The cheering sort of died down for a while and then , as we realized it was really over and we had just seen a great show, we just had to cheer some more. So the cheering continued for a good ten to 15 minutes. Floor stomping. The works. The house lights were up and everything. We just couldn't stop cheering as we wanted to welcome Kraftwerk back to the US. They're here! Now a word of advice for all those seeking autographs. From what happened here, not many were able to. I was waiting outside in a line, per security, and then Fritz came out and began signing things. Everything was fine. Suddenly Ralf walked by behind Fritz and the line broke up and surrounded him. I don't think Ralf was really expecting that. Ralf was happily signing things in this crowd when a stage worker called for everyone to move out of the way--including Ralf. So he was then shuffled off to his van along with Fritz and Henning. So my advice is to get all the fans in the line to agree to stay in that line. Then ask the security persons to please ask the band to sign things down that line. I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind signing things along an orderly line on the way to their car. It will take some real will power for all the fans to remain in a line I'm sure! If they refuse to come to the line, at least it will not be the fans' fault for being overzealous. Guenther, my collector friend, has been around. He was right there for Ralf and got all three signatures somehow on his copy of the luminous Neon Lights 12" cover. Now Florian had gone out another entrance from the others, so at our venue there was really no way for anyone to get all four autographs. I'm sure Guenther will get Florian's when he goes to the LA show tomorrow. If at all possible, do some talking with security to have them ask the band to come and sign your goodies. It was great to be there for Kraftwerk history in the making. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) The day the music stopped Date: 08 Jun 1998 14:44:04 +0200 As I constantly read through these postings, I keep getting the same impression over and over again: 'Kraftwerk are losing it. They were pioneering once, but now, they're simply sad travesties of their own music'. Is this the case? Or is there a reason to all this? One of the members of this list wrote something a few days back that in my opinion stood out as mighty poetic; it was about the possibility of their computers all crashing in the year 2000: musique ... stop Get the taste of those words. Musique, ...stop. Is that the thing? Has the last 12 years since the release of the track 'musique non stop' been about just that: They've been doing a musique non stop for all these years: No new tracks, just that old music over and over again... until, possibly, the day the music stops. musique...stop. 'And then there was silence. The computers were all crashed, the Nostradamu prophecies finally came true, and the new millenium began with a bang that set all information blank, a blank paper for future inhabitans to write on. The music non stop machine had been playing for as long as it possibly could, but there's an end, a death, to everything, and as all tarot fortune tellers know, 'death' is basically quite good. Death means change.' We cannot expect that Kraftwerk will reinvent music for us once again. They will hypnotize us with their non stop music until we get the message: We are Kraftwerk. We live and breath what will be the dawning of the new music machine. We are Kraftwerk. Yee all, you can keep on with your 'They've lost it' business, it's perhaps clear that they're stuck at the same point since the release of 'musique non stop', but the nights who say 'boing' did the one real noble thing. Instead of parishing they kept on and broadcasted the message for as long as they possibly could: musique non stop. musique non stop. musique non stop. Yee of little faith! See the concerts, get the message, see the other side, hear the other side. Due to economical crisis I cannot attend at Roskilde, but then again, I've heard Kraftwerk. Not just listened; I've HEARD. /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 08 Jun 1998 06:37:27 PDT wow. I thought I was the only one who had an obsession with the music that the "real" world makes on its own. Silence also sounds great if you turn it up real loud and funk with it. ...I'd bring some recording equipment in and capture this entire world of sounds!!!! wow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 08 Jun 1998 06:45:22 PDT >Computer World is the best electronic album ever. Though it certainly is an awesome album, I've always been more impressed with autobahn. The Kometenmelodies (I forgot how to spell it, I leave german class for one year..) are very, very rad. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 08 Jun 1998 07:03:16 PDT I'd recommend really old Aphex Twin like "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" It's done by a fourteen year old with homemade synthesizers so it really has a minimalistic style to it. very good. also, there are supposed to be three fathers of electronic music. Yello, Kraftwerk, and Telex. I've never owned one of their albums but I've heard some good RA samples. Check them out at http://www.netbeat.com. They do a vocoded electronic version of "Rock Around the Clock" Can someone recommend similar groups like "Kraftwerk" . I also enjoy the groups "Yello" and "Buffalo Daughter","Frazier Chorus".. very much as well. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) re:lyrics Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:04:05 EDT Well said! Best, Harry Allen In a message dated 6/8/1998 10:47:02 AM, you wrote: << Hallo Mit-maschinen. Hi fellow machines. I don't know whether I should write in German or English but it seems that most here are English-based life forms so I will try my best. Not that my English is bad but I have a hard time talking about German topics in English. Regarding the lyrics: I think Kraftwerk is one of the few bands combining using lyrics as an instrument, integrating it as a sound effect, and at the same time expressing an idea in words. If you ask me: would the words only be instrument, then you would be able to take words to one song and put them into another Kraftwerk song, and nobody would notice. But try it, and you will see, the meldoy and the meaning of the words are so fine-tuned to each other, the tone fits, and also, and call me weird or not, but the music makes you feel the lyrics, the meaning. Okay, I am quite poetic, overly dramatic, aber da kann man nix aendern. SEe? going off in German. Sorry, did not have a lot of sleep (met someone, completely beside the point, but let me tell you....) Only 6 days till NY>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao, Diz >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) Newness Date: 08 Jun 1998 09:06:00 -0700 >>As I constantly read through these postings, I keep getting the same impression over and over again: 'Kraftwerk are losing it. They were pioneering once, but now, they're simply sad travesties of their own music'.<< It's not all that sad, they had some new material, and it was really good. It says a lot that at least at Warfield, after so little new material, it appeared they had so many moved and loving fans. A lot of what they did looked back in time as well, the old films used in the concert, the Malevich (Russian artist, 1920s)-like graphics in the Man-Machine. Even the ideas of robots are a kind of old idea of robots, like from old movies. They are human-robots. So not all of what they did had to do with newness now, but what was newness at some point in the past. Like days of early modernism. What's great about them is not that they are always current, but that they made real music that anyone can enjoy from what was once so much gadgetry and novelty. They probably have all sorts of new things that they are involved in in life now. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bergstr=F6m?= Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Autism Date: 08 Jun 1998 18:18:20 +0200 Someone wrote: > Ralf's being gay or straight will really not alter the manner in >which I enjoy listening to their albums. Now if this were Erasure we were >talking about it might be another story, for the day I see Ralf Huetter come >out on-stage wearing tight orange spandex and a tu-tu, I'll be damned if I >don't start asking some questions. =) I do not believe that Ralph is gay. But I have the impression that he is a slightly autistic person, just like Ludwig Wittgenstein and probably also Albert Einstein. Such people are less occupieed with human relations and thus less eager to have relations to other people. The fact that Ralph has no woman does not make him gay. /Bjoern Bergstroem # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:26:16 EDT In a message dated 6/8/1998 11:35:36 AM, you wrote: << >Computer World is the best electronic album ever. Though it certainly is an awesome album, I've always been more impressed with autobahn. The Kometenmelodies (I forgot how to spell it, I leave german class for one year..) are very, very rad. >> I've never heard *Autobahn*, the complete album, or the earlier works. Best Kraftwerk album to me? *Trans-Europe Express*. Cover art? Strange and unassuming; more appropriate for a Viennese chamber orchestra than an art group playing radical funk beats. Music? For me, the shock of the new. Wierd, yet strangely right. *Extremely* cool. Even back when I eagerly bought my copy of *Computer World*, I thought it was thin as an album. I liked "Pocket Calculator," and the title track. But "Numbers" was what saved the day. It was, for me, the standout track on an album that overall, was not as strong as I'd wanted. I haven't listened to it in some time, seek it on CD, and might change my opinion having listened to it again. Also, it is amazing how there is so much life around *Techno Pop*, a Kraftwerk album that never existed. After hearing "Tour De France"-which, with "Trans- Europe Express" and "Numbers," is part of my Kraftwerk triumvirate-I was really waiting for great things. But...we all know. I say, for overall execution? Straight connection: *T.E.E.* Harry Allen New York, NY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Packaging Industry Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:35:56 EDT In a message dated 6/8/1998 11:35:05 AM, you wrote: <> Have you ever heard "I Am Sitting In A Room," by Alvin Lucier? Best, Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: (kw) Time Question (Live) Date: 08 Jun 1998 11:43:41 -0600 Hello, Quick question. During the live KW concerts how much empty space is between each song, and during the intermissions. Just an estimate. Thanks. ___________________________________________ Peter Liethen --- pliethen@execpc.com PeteNet Studio --- petenet.dragonfire.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Pocket Calculator Curtain Scene Date: 08 Jun 1998 09:38:25 -0700 Hey, I forgot to include this in my Warfield report. As the curtains were closing after Pocket Calculator, it was headed right for the band. They were lined up on the curtain line. Ralf, Henning and Fritz all ducked behind the curtain. Florian made a funny move just then. As the curtain was overtaking him, he adopted a Chuck Berry pose and held out his "calculator" and cord like an electric guitar before diving behind the curtain. He was hamming it up after his calculator had miscalculated. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KING Subject: Re: (kw) Newness Date: 08 Jun 1998 11:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Aloha, I truly, honestly, completely understand the position that KW is working from a fixed perspective that belongs to a cultural complex relating to the past and ideas that were future looking at the times in which they were created rather than the time in which they are being experienced and that to us, here and now, these ideas as well as the concepts that spring from, and are related to, them may be "old". However, I also think it is important to see things from a slightly different paradigm or at least be open minded enough to consider another perspective about the subject in a general way. Regardless of how "dated" their work may seem now or how much they connected to various past art and futurism movements, much of what they do/did still looks and feels a lot more modern and futuristic than the world we live in. (At least the world I live in.) A very small and petty example is blue jeans. I hate blue jeans. They are so prevelant in society today that they are like a uniform. They are "now", hip, modern etc. However, I do not think that, in any style, blue jeans look futuristic. Maybe I am wrong here. Again, I think they look "now" and contemoprary and they belong to a "modern look"." I gues what I am getting at here is I think people are a litle too hard on bands like KW. I understand that the music, the design, the art, the everything belongs to a different time, I get it. However, I guess this notion of "futuristic" is far to subjective to resign KW to the washed up bin. I have lived in Japan and travel there often, as any of the members of the list that are living there now can tell you, Tokyo, and Osaka for that matter look a lot like what "we" think of when we ponder the future shape of things. Maybe in 100 years Los Angeles MIGHT look the same, (if we do not kill each other first.) However, here and now, some places in Japan look and ffeel just like a scene from Blade Runner which is a vision of the future for many. Just becasue that vision was created in 1983, (I know the book was before that), does not make it any less valid. I am begining to ramble here but my point is, I understand all of the arguments for KW being from and of another time, the 70s, and that they were looking back at that point to the yet another past. I do not think that past ideas about the future are, by definition, useless in seeing the current future, or future future, you know what I mean! I made the observation once that StarTrek the next generation looks more like a modern dentist office than what I would expect a starship to and Data certainly is nothing more than a humaniod robot not so unlike the robots of KW in terms of design. I am well aware that I live in my own universe and I have from birth. I know I see things differently and I project a great deal of my own personality on to the things I admire and enjoy, but I do know that I would rather listen to KW play the exact same songs for the rest of my life than to see them create a new 90's group with a new Oasis type of sound or some new techno revolution or anything that was not true to their form. There are just so many bands out there that change when the money trail shifts in another direction. A charge that KW is in no way guilty of. I admit that an artistic activity can become repetative ond bland after a while and I would love to hear some really great new work from KW that captures the character of their origional work, I'm not going to bad mouth what they are doing now if they are having a good time doing it and if people are going to the shows and enjoying it. I am sure the majority of you don't agree with me and probably think that I don't get it, even after saying that I do a bazillion times,and thats fine. As I said before I'm not from these part, Oh well, Something to chew on, Bryce # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Newness Date: 08 Jun 1998 13:22:35 EDT Mmmmmmm.... Chewy! And well spoken. Thanks! Harry Allen In a message dated 6/8/1998 1:02:08 PM, you wrote: << Aloha, I truly, honestly, completely understand the position that KW is working from a fixed perspective that belongs to a cultural complex relating to the past and ideas that were future looking at the times in which they were created rather than the time in which they are being experienced and that to us, here and now, these ideas as well as the concepts that spring from, and are related to, them may be "old". However, I also think it is important to see things from a slightly different paradigm or at least be open minded enough to consider another perspective about the subject in a general way. Regardless of how "dated" their work may seem now or how much they connected to various past art and futurism movements, much of what they do/did still looks and feels a lot more modern and futuristic than the world we live in. (At least the world I live in.) A very small and petty example is blue jeans. I hate blue jeans. They are so prevelant in society today that they are like a uniform. They are "now", hip, modern etc. However, I do not think that, in any style, blue jeans look futuristic. Maybe I am wrong here. Again, I think they look "now" and contemoprary and they belong to a "modern look"." I gues what I am getting at here is I think people are a litle too hard on bands like KW. I understand that the music, the design, the art, the everything belongs to a different time, I get it. However, I guess this notion of "futuristic" is far to subjective to resign KW to the washed up bin. I have lived in Japan and travel there often, as any of the members of the list that are living there now can tell you, Tokyo, and Osaka for that matter look a lot like what "we" think of when we ponder the future shape of things. Maybe in 100 years Los Angeles MIGHT look the same, (if we do not kill each other first.) However, here and now, some places in Japan look and ffeel just like a scene from Blade Runner which is a vision of the future for many. Just becasue that vision was created in 1983, (I know the book was before that), does not make it any less valid. I am begining to ramble here but my point is, I understand all of the arguments for KW being from and of another time, the 70s, and that they were looking back at that point to the yet another past. I do not think that past ideas about the future are, by definition, useless in seeing the current future, or future future, you know what I mean! I made the observation once that StarTrek the next generation looks more like a modern dentist office than what I would expect a starship to and Data certainly is nothing more than a humaniod robot not so unlike the robots of KW in terms of design. I am well aware that I live in my own universe and I have from birth. I know I see things differently and I project a great deal of my own personality on to the things I admire and enjoy, but I do know that I would rather listen to KW play the exact same songs for the rest of my life than to see them create a new 90's group with a new Oasis type of sound or some new techno revolution or anything that was not true to their form. There are just so many bands out there that change when the money trail shifts in another direction. A charge that KW is in no way guilty of. I admit that an artistic activity can become repetative ond bland after a while and I would love to hear some really great new work from KW that captures the character of their origional work, I'm not going to bad mouth what they are doing now if they are having a good time doing it and if people are going to the shows and enjoying it. I am sure the majority of you don't agree with me and probably think that I don't get it, even after saying that I do a bazillion times,and thats fine. As I said before I'm not from these part, Oh well, Something to chew on, Bryce >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 08 Jun 1998 13:30:54 >Times have changed. Perhaps the Mix version of Radioactivity is one of the >few occassions were KW have bowed to the publics demand for bass. I'd like to point out that another occasion on The Mix is "Music Non Stop" which contains a bass line through the main riff which was entirely absent in the original 1986 'Electric Cafe' version. I feel this greatly enhances the overall feel of the song by breathing into it a much needed component. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) Newness Date: 08 Jun 1998 10:45:59 -0700 >>I am begining to ramble here but my point is, I understand all of the arguments for KW being from and of another time, the 70s, and that they were looking back at that point to the yet another past. I do not think that past ideas about the future are, by definition, useless in seeing the current future, or future future, you know what I mean!<< Yeah, I know what you mean... I wasn't aware that what I was saying was nothing new to the group. hee hee! Maybe there's nothing actually new here? I don't think they exist in the seventies, just that they use a lot of different futures in their work, some even go back to the 1910s and 1920s, Malevich, Bauhaus, etc. There's nothing wrong with that, I personally am attracted to those things. >>...I would rather listen to KW play the exact same songs for the rest of my life than to see them create a new 90's group with a new Oasis type of sound or some new techno revolution or anything that was not true to their form. There are just so many bands out there that change when the money trail shifts in another direction. A charge that KW is in no way guilty of.<< Well said. But I think that the two new songs at the concert last night showed that the new material comes from the same good sources. I don't think they would be chasing a money trail by doing it, I think we all know better. But I am disappointed that some people might be too vested in what they have already done, and if they make new material and get new listeners that enjoy their work in a different way than we currently imagine, that that might be too much change for some people. The new stuff at the concert was great, and not at all faddish. I don't think it's being hard on them to ask for some new material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) German Komputer release Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:47:15 +0200 (DFT) Komputer's "The World Of Tomorrow" was released in Germany on Intercord. There seem to be no differences to the original English release. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Electric Music" Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:51:36 +0200 (DFT) The second Electric Music album is now officiall out (SPV CD 085-61932). There are no differences to the promo pre-issue, except that the official release has a booklet with the lyrics. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CADBOT Subject: (kw) starting time Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:04:57 -0500 At the west coast shows, when did KW actually start? The tickets say something like 7:30 or 8:00PM. Was there an opening show? When did KW actually start playing? 8:30? 9:00? 7:45? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:53:34 -0500 (CDT) > Best Kraftwerk album to me? *Trans-Europe Express*. > Even back when I eagerly bought my copy of *Computer World*, I thought it was > thin as an album. I liked "Pocket Calculator," and the title track. But > "Numbers" was what saved the day. It was, for me, the standout track on an > album that overall, was not as strong as I'd wanted. I think exactly the same. 'Computer world' is, from my point of view, one of their worst albums, even though 'Numbers' is one of my favorite Kraftwerk songs. TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never heard anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it is the best album since the Big Bang took place. And I think there is no doubt about which one is their worst official album: The Mix. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) Autobahn LP for $2 Date: 08 Jun 1998 14:00:41 -0500 http://search.ebay.com/cgi-bin/texis/ebay/results.html?query=Kraftwerk&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=100&SortProperty=MetaEndSort Also Pocket Calculator "DayGlo Green Wax" currently $7. Radioactivity LP $4. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Muzik on Kraftwerk Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:58:23 +0200 (DFT) From the June issue of Muzik, p. 6: As for Kraftwerk's - We haven't the foggiest idea Rumours concerning the Dusseldorfians abound right now. No official announcement of a new album has been made, but the boss of a German techno label (he doesn't want to be named) claims he heard several new tracks by the band. "It's a strange mixture", he said. "Some fairly normal dancefloor music which didn't sound that inspiring, but then some really exciting chill-out stuff. It was a shock, though, just to hear something new from them." It's also been claimed that new Kraftwerk material has been delivered to EMI's German office. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth (XS4ALL)" Subject: RE: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 08 Jun 1998 21:18:45 +0200 Well, great review... ] -----Original Message----- ] ......... ] Later that evening, my japanese hosts took me on a tour of ] 'bootleg paradise', ] ......... ] Ralf Hutter then spoke with me for a few minutes. I asked in ] about the new record and he said ] that 'maybe we release it after the tour'. He also confirmed that ] Kraftwerk will ] play Australia and asked me 'Do you think Australia is a good ] place for us to play?' ] I definitely got the impression that he is very unsure of ] audience reaction and ] seemed genuinely surprised by the japanese audience approval. Next time you'll tell him he should go into bootleg business, that's good for his confidence and purse and for our KW-satisfaction. Just let him release all KW stuff on the black-market. ] ] The next day I gave the last of my Yen to a couple bootleg shops ] and hopped a plane home. ] ..... ] Photos from the show and a small real audio sample can be found at: Nice photo's, gives a good impression (which Real audio??) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Karl Bartos autograph sessions Date: 08 Jun 1998 21:25:31 +0200 (DFT) Karl Bartos will be doing some autograph sessions at WOM record shops in Germany next week: 18.06.1998, Hamburg, WOM, 18:00. 19.06.1998, Koeln, WOM, 18:00. 25.06.1998, Hannover, WOM, 18:00. 26.06.1998, Berlin, WOM, Willmersdorfer Srasse), 18:00. According to the WOM Journal, he'll sign Kraftwerk and Electric Music CD's, and he'll answer questions about Kraftwerk and Electric Music. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) I'v the tickets for KW in Barcelona Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:07:39 +0200 Finaly I'will go to see KW in Barcelona. I get the tickets today !!!! 10 days to KW !!!! Juan Prieto - MuSiK -------------- musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:20:12 +0200 > I think exactly the same. 'Computer world' is, from my point of view, o= ne > of their worst albums, even though 'Numbers' is one of my favorite > Kraftwerk songs. Well- everybody got their on openion, I find the Computer World album outstanding. In my ears the title track is a sublimit mix of rythm, melody and sounds, and if any later KW album is thin it`s Trans-Europe Express. Of course is the TEE triology fantastic but I have never relly got in to the rest of the songs- I found them (especilly Hall of mirrors) quite unfresh. =20 =20 > And I think there is no doubt about which one is their worst official > album: The Mix. Can=B4t agree with you on that one either, it was during the time when 2unlimetid and Eurodisco was on its peak i got in to Kraftwerk, and hearing The Robots (mix version) opened a new world for me. Even if I now can agree on that the remixed songs suffers of a lack of origanelity I found The Mix a great techno album. The worst official releases: Kraftwerk 1 & 2 (if they counts). Best regards to all you lucky fellows who will see them in concert this summer! /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Great Thanks Date: 08 Jun 1998 17:22:47 -0700 The only thing i want to say is: THANKS ADAM!!! You are definitely in my row of great guys!! Great pics and report. One think I would like to say to all list is if someone could talk with any KW member, like Adam did, please, ask them about gigs in Brazil!! Tell them the brazilian guys are crazy to see Kraftwerk!! Thanks a lot Tchau Nicolau Centola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 16:38:42 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, M=E5ns Sj=F6strand wrote: > Well- everybody got their on openion, I find the Computer World album > outstanding. In my ears the title track is a sublimit mix of rythm, > melody and sounds, and if any later KW album is thin it`s Trans-Europe > Express. Of course is the TEE triology fantastic but I have never relly > got in to the rest of the songs- I found them (especilly Hall of > mirrors) quite unfresh. =20 Yes, everyone does indeed have their own opinion! I've always thought of TEE as the most thematically integrated album, with the possible exception of RADIOACTIVITY (my 2nd favorite album, after TEE). All of the songs seem to flow into each other. They all convey a sense of timelessness, and in their lyrics (which I consider to be the most poetic of their albums) they all deal with the blurring of "reality" with the "artificial." =20 > The worst official releases: Kraftwerk 1 & 2 (if they counts). I seem to be one of the few Kraftwerk fans who enjoys the early albums just as much as the later stuff. It is a very different style, but I think it has its own charm. While their albums from the later '70s anticipated techno, I think that their early albums anticipate both ambient and industrial (while also borrowing copiously from their contemporaries at times). And I still think that "Ruckzuck" is one of their best tracks ever.=20 ***************************************************************************= **** John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Karty Subject: (kw) meet up for NYC concert? Date: 08 Jun 1998 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Is there a plan for people to meet up for the NYC concert? If not, let's make one! Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: Re: (kw) Warfield Report From Fred Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:39:19 -0700 >> Larry Lacost (sp?) who I met was next to me and took a lot of photos from our close up vantage point.>> Got 'em!!!! And they are being developed as we speak. >>When Computer World began I held up my LP with all the fan signatures on it for Kraftwerk to see! I think they all saw it.>> Fred, Fritz saw it, nodded and smiled... a tip off of thanks to you, bud ;-> >>Autobahn was a treat. They gave the engine a good four or five attempts at the start before it kicked in.>> That was hysterical. Time for a tune-up on the Benz ;-> >>The real drama came with Pocket Calculator, Radioactivity and the Robots. Pocket Calculator is the only real good look at the band. Here the walk in front of their stands and play through remote units, as you all know. Well, Florian's was on the fritz. So we got to see some of their personality as they reacted to that and decided what to do about it. Very funny and the crowd was laughing and cheering about that while enjoying the music too. Florian kind of seriously stabbed at it, shook it, yanked on the cords and finally shrugged. He looked at the other band members and they all laughed with him. Then Florian tossed it up and down in his hands and acted like he would throw it to the crowd, swung it around a little and then just tapped his feet. All real funny. Then Fritz Hilpert went to Florian's station and changed something. Suddenly Florian could make come noise. We all cheered. They all laughed. This went on and on. It stopped making noise again, etc.>> A definite highlight!!! They had a great sense of humor, played it off well, and the crowd loved it. That was my favorite part of the show... and they smiled and had fun! One point which Fred may or may not have mentioned was that several people from the press were there taking lots of pictures on their first two complete tracks. I bought today's San Francisco Chronicle and the San Jose Mercury and neither one had any articles or pictures of Kraftwerk. Please be on the look out for theses articles... I'm unable to pick them up being that my travels take me back to L.A. this morning in time to wait in line for them at The Palladium in Hollywood. See you there!!! Larry R. LaCost Jr. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex Laney Subject: (kw) Retro Futures Date: 08 Jun 1998 17:14:17 -0400 On the topic of the retro-future styles of Kraftwerk as a theme for a new album: They should do a retro-future of the 70's. ( But then, maybe they are! ) It would fit right in with current clothes fashions... I want a song about platform boots/shoes .... 'I don't want to see your platform boots ...' Ok, I'm on sedation ... :-):-) a.laney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) 'porkchop' sideburns Date: 08 Jun 1998 14:32:25 -0700 I noticed a lot of 'porkchop' sideburns on a lot of the people in SF. What's with that? >> On the topic of the retro-future styles of Kraftwerk as a theme for a new album: They should do a retro-future of the 70's. ( But then, maybe they are! ) It would fit right in with current clothes fashions... I want a song about platform boots/shoes .... 'I don't want to see your platform boots ...' << # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 09 Jun 1998 07:35:35 +1000 Erik Barth (XS4ALL) wrote: > Nice photo's, gives a good impression (which Real audio??) Oops .... The Model from 03/06/1998 is now back at http:/www.world.net/~adamr Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:22:42 +0100 Jose Corchado wrote: > TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever > recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never > heard anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it > is the best album since the Big Bang took place. One is left with the question, how many albums have you heard? There are much better recorded and produced albums out there. An example that comes to mind is the Sony rerelease of Stockhausen's Klavierstuecke, recorded in mid-1960s. BTW, I'm not saying that TEE is badly recorded, quite the contrary. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telematik@juno.com (tel ematik) Subject: (kw) Computer World Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:14:18 EDT I don't think people realise the influence that computer world has had on black music/culture. Aside for Biz Markie sampling Numbers and various other rap groups sampling the album, look at electro. Electro basicly came out of computer world and even people today are still using those beats. Electro is darker, scarier and more ghetto than any rap music. Just listen to Dynamix from miami or drexciya from detroit to see why. Electro and bass music would probably not even exist without computer world. Carl Craig wrote an article in the face last year about Kraftwerks effect on black music, and he really points to Computer world as the main influence. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telematik@juno.com (tel ematik) Subject: (kw) : (313) Trans. Mindfuck. Express. Date: 08 Jun 1998 19:41:46 EDT This was on the detroit techno mailing list...... <> Luckily I will be at the detroit show june 11. take care _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: telematik@juno.com (tel ematik) Subject: (kw) : (313) Trans. Mindfuck. Express. Date: 08 Jun 1998 19:41:46 EDT This was on the detroit techno mailing list...... <> Luckily I will be at the detroit show june 11. take care _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:22:42 +0100 Jose Corchado wrote: > TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever > recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never > heard anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it > is the best album since the Big Bang took place. One is left with the question, how many albums have you heard? There are much better recorded and produced albums out there. An example that comes to mind is the Sony rerelease of Stockhausen's Klavierstuecke, recorded in mid-1960s. BTW, I'm not saying that TEE is badly recorded, quite the contrary. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf off his tits on bier Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:17:03 +0200 >Either way, he'd get off his tits ! Prost. xcuse me, but are you sure he has tits? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf off his tits on bier Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:17:03 +0200 >Either way, he'd get off his tits ! Prost. xcuse me, but are you sure he has tits? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:08:55 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, dr. Digeridoo p.B.s wrote: > Can someone recommend similar groups like "Kraftwerk" . Kraftwelt and Art of Noise are the closest I can think of. You might also check out Techmaster PEB, Psykosonik and Elektric Music. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R. D." Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Akasaka - 1st Web Site Date: 08 Jun 1998 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Adam Read wrote: > > > All, > > Just got back from Tokyo and I have put the 1st material up. > > It is some photos from the shows and a pretty good Real Audio of the 'renewed' > song in the set. > > I will be assembling al full web site of the Tokyo shows with all photos, ads and > gossip in the next few days. > > AT > > http://www.world.net/~adamr I think it would be very interesting if at least one good fellow "werker" would put up a similar site with pictures and/or sound excerpts and/or list of the songs played and/or comments on the "live experience" FOR EACH CITY in the present tour. (specially for the New-York show which I will be attending! ;-]) That way we all could have a "collective web memory" of the Kraftwerk June 1998 tour to enjoy for years to come... Many thanks to Adam Read for the first one! == Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 21:56:43 EDT In a message dated 6/8/1998 3:10:06 PM, you wrote: << > Best Kraftwerk album to me? *Trans-Europe Express*. > Even back when I eagerly bought my copy of *Computer World*, I thought it was > thin as an album. I liked "Pocket Calculator," and the title track. But > "Numbers" was what saved the day. It was, for me, the standout track on an > album that overall, was not as strong as I'd wanted. I think exactly the same. 'Computer world' is, from my point of view, one of their worst albums, even though 'Numbers' is one of my favorite Kraftwerk songs. TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never heard anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it is the best album since the Big Bang took place. <<< Well, I don't know. "Krrrbskrtssuuu WDFFF 4.3ksaaaa" by Etra Kazz B-9, (8,200,000,000 B.C.) in the Orion Nebula was pretty rockin'! >>> And I think there is no doubt about which one is their worst official album: The Mix. Jose <<< YIKES! Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:17:16 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Jose Corchado wrote: > TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever > recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never heard > anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it is the > best album since the Big Bang took place. > > And I think there is no doubt about which one is their worst official > album: The Mix. Fighting assertions with assertions, I will say that there is doubt. The Mix is officially tied with Computer World for the position of best KW album. Autobahn is the worst, and Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (various artists) is the best album in the universe. Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most favorite to least favorite. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: atombee@instrumentality.com (Knox B.) Subject: (kw) SF Concert Review Date: 08 Jun 1998 19:29:54 -0700 A friend's take on the Kraftwerk show (posted to the IDM list): Just got back from the Warfield, where I was wowed by the long awaited return of Kraftwerk. The show started promptly, so if you're going to one of the later shows, be sure to show up early. And no, there was no opening act. The stage had 4 workstations arranged in a shallow V pointed at the audience, with 2 men on either side. Ralf was on the right end, Florian on the left. One of them has a shaved head now, I'm guessing Ralf, and will refer to him as such for the rest of this review, even though I've never been able to tell them apart, which is odd because one of them is taller & has a bigger head, though I know I'm not the only one with this difficulty. Florian had a headset mic. It was easy to see under & behind the workstations, where there was a long arc of equipment consoles stretching across the stage. At the top of these consoles were bright white lights, at the bottom a rainbow strip of flourescent or cold cathode lamps. A buddy tried to identify equipment - he spotted four Kawai K-5000 synths, a Raveolution, and a DA-88, but there was a lot more. We couldn't couldn't see what sort of control surface was on the workstations; most of the motions I saw looked like slider pushing & pulling, with some button punching and a little key playing. The show started with Numbers, large numbers flashing on the video screens, I spent this track getting used to the sound, the venue, and the realization that I was seeing & hearing Kraftwerk live. Next up was Home Computer, which was fairly true to t he original, though the bass & drums were kickin'. Then came The Man Machine, which mixed English & German lyrics, which were shown in monochrome on the videos. Tour De France was the song I most wanted to hear, and I wasn't disappointed. This was a pretty straight version of the achingly beautiful original. Black & white footage of an old tour de france was shown. Next I heard car sounds, and I knew it was Autobahn, which was a faithful, albeit shortened version. Vintage cars were shown, along with pictures of the Autobahn, and their new Autobahn logo. Then came The Model, another old style version (though when I say this, I mean that the drum programming hadn't been modernized to sound like The Mix, even if the drum sounds were beefier). Vintage black & white footage of fashion models was shown. Next came a radically reworked version of Airwaves off of "Radioactivity". This was a fantastic update of a song which I always felt could be better. Now it is. Great job guys! [insert from Knox - Airwaves was _so_ reworked that it was barely recognizable. Clearly, the boys still have the knack for amazing rhythmic and harmonic innovation.] Radioactivity was next, with updated lyrics to include Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and other nuclear disasters. It sounded more like the version off The Mix. Finally came Trance Europe Express, still a juggernaut. Yes, vintage trains filled the screens. With that, the curtains closed, ************* SPOILER ************* If you're going to a later show, do yourself a favor and exit this message right now, ok? Otherwise page down... The curtains opened to the lads, erm, old men standing in front of their consoles holding remotes. Yes! It was Pocket Calculator. Unfortunately Ralf had some problems with his, but he was a real trooper and made funny gestures with it, swinging it around like Roger Daltrey wiith a mic, to the delight of the crowd, until one of the others got it working again. Then he jammed on it, to the further delite of the crowd. Then the curtains closed, and there was again much applause. Then the curtains opened again on a black light set, with everyone wearing suits with dayglo yellow stripes and wraparound dayglo shades. They launched into a ravey number which was new. I found this to be a little disappointing, because even though it featured some nice tweaky modular sounding synth work, overall it sounded like Kraftwerk following rather than leading. All my musician friends were convinced that they let their hair down and improvised a bit on this track. The curtains closed again, to much applause, then opened again, to the video screens lowering, which revealed The Robots! For me, this was the highlight. The lighting was fantastic, lots of strobes & bottom lighting which made the robots seem to move more than they actually did. This version was much like The Mix version, and it was excellent. I wish the robots had stayed to perform more numbers. Finally, the video screens raised up to cover the robots, the guys returned to the stage, and began Music Non-Stop. Videos of the animated graphics from Electric Cafe were shown, with the wireframes of the band echoing the stripes on the band's suits. I could tell they were having more technical problems, because there were things shown in the video that weren't echoed in the music. One by one they left the stage, and I sensed that this was the last song. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed this show, even if it was horribly retro for me. At least all the songs were updated in one form or another. All the black & white film footage just accentuated the retro feeling. And Ralf & Florian looked old - that was really weird. At least Florian seemed to loosen up & enjoy himself in a few places. I just wish they'd get up the nerve to release some truly new material - it's been way too long. www.instrumentality.com - "Flight of the The Atom Bee" in RealAudio, Flapping, Bombast www.yoshi-the-pig.com - Yoshi, The Official Pig of the Internet # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:55:16 -0500 (CDT) > > TEE is not only the best Kraftwerk album, but also the best album ever > > recorded in the history of the humankind, and even though I never > > heard anything recorded by alien entities, I would dare to say that it > > is the best album since the Big Bang took place. > > One is left with the question, how many albums have you heard? There > are much better recorded and produced albums out there. An example that > comes to mind is the Sony rerelease of Stockhausen's Klavierstuecke, > recorded in mid-1960s. > > BTW, I'm not saying that TEE is badly recorded, quite the contrary. I was joking. Did you also think that I was serious when I said the alien stuff? I think it is one of the the best *pop* music albums ever, but I think that there are some electronic music albums that can beat any Kraftwerk album. Some of Stockhausen's recordings are better (some are worse), although I prefer Pierre Henry's electronic music. And if you include some Bach or Beethoven music, Kraftwerk has nothing to do in the rank. As for how many albums I have heard, I think I have heard quite a few, but the sad thing is that the number of albums I haven't heard and I want to hear is much bigger than the number of albums that I have already heard. As somebody else said, I only know that I know nothing. Funny, though, I had that rerelease of Stockhausen's Klavierstuecke on my hands this weekend, but finally I decided to buy a Satie cd instead. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:38:19 EDT In a message dated 6/8/1998 10:12:07 PM, you wrote: <<> Can someone recommend similar groups like "Kraftwerk" . Art of Noise>> Pretty good selection, I say. Best, Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Subject: (kw) San Francisco June 7th! Date: 08 Jun 1998 20:00:41 -0700 I was thrilled to attend the show last evening. I even took my 16 year old son who had as good a time as I!!!!! There were 3 encores and they played for about 1 hour 55 minutes. Then after the lights came up NO ONE moved from where they were for a good 10-15 minutes clapping and stomping for more.. even when you could see the crew were starting the dismantling the crowd was still craving more. We were about 8 feet from the stage which was just perfect... NICE and LOUD just the way I like it! Anyone with a set list please... send it on in! KILLER version of RADIOACTIVITY!!!!! The only problem is it leaves me wanting MORE MORE MORE! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:54:24 -0500 Ra wrote: > Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most favorite > to least favorite. :) Forgot to mention the Tribal track. I would include that in my top ten around 6 or 7. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:03:53 -0500 Ra wrote: > Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most favorite > to least favorite. :) my personal best KW albums 1. Computer World (first KW album I bought. The theme seems to be held well through the whole album. There are no low tracks for me, though no really head above shoulders track.) 2. Trans-Europe Express (I love TEE/Metal on Metal, but feel that some are too low for me. I find Showroom Dummies hard to listen to. Hall of Mirrors has interesting lyrics, but doesn't seem to match with the other tracks. Franz Schubert is a pretty good track going into Endless Endless. Since this was one of my first albums, I didn't get the Retro/future perspective when I first had it, so the tracks seemed kind of disjointed.) 3. The Man-Machine (listened to this at a much later date, so Robots didn't have as much impact on me. Robots track seems to get a lot of attention, but tends to get old after a while. I really like Neon Lights, though the intended meaning of the lyrics is not clear to me. What neon lights? Which city? Though the Model is good, for some reason I get annoyed listening to it frequently. To me Spacelab is awesome. I also like the Man-Machine track after Pete's VRML video/audio file. I also did not get the retro/future perspective on this album until someone brought it up.) 4. Autobahn (I was only 10 years old when this was released, so though I had heard of it, I only got into at a much later date. It is an awesome track to listen to when doing work for it's soothing progression. I was impressed that the other tracks have so much depth. Morgenspaziergang is awesome. My only criticism is that comes across a little dark and lifeless at some points.) 5. The Mix (On one hand the remixed tracks have a more popular tone and it has all the good tracks. It has a lot of tracks which is good. It would have been better if some newer tracks were mixed in with remixed tracks.) 6. Kraftwerk 2 (interesting archive of tracks varying between all kinds of styles.) 7. Kraftwerk 1 (I don't own "Electric Cafe" and "Radio-Activity", but have only herad various tracks.) my personal best KW tracks 1. Trans-Europe Express (/ Abzug) / Metal on Metal (The video is awesome. Metal on Metal is awesome--the switching metal. No one made such a song as far as I know.) 2. Tour de France (As a biker I was attracted to this song, which is great and has great depth, and I could listen to in loop over and over and not get tired of it.) 3. Computer World (In my opinion is such a defining song of KW's soul.) 4. Autobahn (since I listened to it at a much later date, it wasn't as big for me as TEE and CW albums) 5. Neon Lights (Exhilerating to listen to, and long length) 6. Numbers with transition into Computer World (the voice repeating the number fast towards the end in the transition is excellent) 7. Spacelab (deliberate, spacey) 8. The Man-Machine (Pete's VRML Real Audio clip got me into this track. 9. Pocket Calculator (irrestibly catchy tune) 10. Home Computer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) SF Concert Review Date: 09 Jun 1998 01:15:37 EDT In a message dated 6/8/1998 11:18:23 PM, you wrote: <> "Achingly beautiful." Perfect description. Filled with wind and longing, like a kite, a balloon, or a bird. Best, HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 01:19:10 EDT In a message dated 98-06-08 12:38:34 EDT, Scramjet1@aol.com writes: << I say, for overall execution? Straight connection: *T.E.E.* >> A little late on this one, but I absolutely love RadioActivity. Damnit. I listened to this album every night for about a month. It's just that everything fits together to create this wall of sounds that varies from completely harsh and untechnical, to perfectly executed somewhat pop material to make this album clash just enough.. Later! EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:26:23 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Bob VonMoss wrote: > Ra wrote: > > Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most favorite > > to least favorite. :) Well, since I started it I might as well throw in my 2.14 cents... Albums: #1 (best): Computer World and The Mix CW really wowed me the first time I heard it, and it still does. "It's More Fun to Compute" is my personal anthem. The Mix, being mostly excellent remixes of CW and a couple others, would be better by default except that it included Pocket Calculator and Computer Love, two tracks I would have left off had I made The Mix. :) #2: The Man-Machine This is the first KW album I heard and the first I bought - or rather, forced my mother to buy for me since I was only a knee-biter at the time. All-around good tracks, but not as outstanding as the ones I like on CW and The Mix. #3: Electric Cafe Another good one, though I don't like the last track very much. This is the one I was listening to on tape when I discovered that music could cure the motion sickness I easily fall prey to. #4: TEE, Robots and Radio-Activity I like these three equally. They have some groovin' tracks, some good experimental tracks, and best of all none of them have Autobahn on. #5: R&F, KW1 and KW2 Really different. A good listen as experimental and early electronic music go, but not the sound I normally associate with KW. Exceller-8, The Model and Showroom Dummies I'm leaving off since they're just compilations. Worst: Autobahn I like the tracks on the B-side, especially the one with whale sounds, but Autobahn is intolerable. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's the only KW song I wish had never been unleashed upon the unsuspecting populace. Outstanding tracks: #1: Homecomputer (Mix version) This track beautifully combines its two predecessors from CW, and adds a great bassline. I use this one to get my friends hooked on KW because they're computer nerds like me, and it works. #2: Home Computer and It's More Fun to Compute (CW versions) The original versions of the above track, these two were my favorites until The Mix was released. They're just so cool! #3: Numbers (CW) Lots of great voice samples and a great rhythm. #4: The Robots (MM) Almost makes me want to dance sometimes. #5: TEE/Abzug/Metal on Metal (TEE and Mix versions) I treat these as one track, given the way they blend together. Abzug and Metal on Metal give TEE the perfect sense of closure, not to mention using some cool metallic samples. #6: The Man-Machine (MM) The first KW track I ever heard, and the one that got me hooked, so it must have something going for it. The rest are all good and there are too many for me to rank them. Except for Autobahn. It's the pits. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 01:33:25 EDT In a message dated 98-06-08 16:42:30 EDT, jbmorgan@umich.edu writes: << And I still think that "Ruckzuck" is one of their best tracks ever. >> I can vouch for that.. I had that song on loop accidentally, and didn't notice it for about 2 hours.. Anyone remember/see the show "Newton's apple"? It's produced here in Minnesota, but the main attraction here is that they used "Ruckzuck" as the theme song, possibly without permission.. I noticed after a few years they changed it.. I always watch the intro to see if it's an old 80's episode w/ruckzuck.. It's cool and things. Ok. heh EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:37:03 EDT In a message dated 6/9/1998 1:23:02 AM, you wrote: << In a message dated 98-06-08 12:38:34 EDT, Scramjet1@aol.com writes: << I say, for overall execution? Straight connection: *T.E.E.* >> A little late on this one, but I absolutely love RadioActivity. Damnit. I listened to this album every night for about a month. It's just that everything fits together to create this wall of sounds that varies from completely harsh and untechnical, to perfectly executed somewhat pop material to make this album clash just enough.. Later! EJR >> I've got to try RadioActivity and Man-Machine again. Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jean-Luc Turbo Subject: (kw) Hollywood Palladium Show Date: 09 Jun 1998 00:13:45 -0700 Hey Kraftwerkians, I just got home from my first ever Kraftwerk gig and my voice is practically gone. The Palladium was such a great space to see KW. Being such a famous space from the big band era and then now, present day, KW filled the space quite nicely. They played every song I especially wanted to hear: Numbers, Tour de France, It's More Fun To Compute, and Boing Boomtschak/Musique Non-Stop. I dug the two new songs too. All tension-filled with very little percussion. I have to naively admit that the ROBOTS were a total surprise. I expected a diverse crowd too, like I knew people like my high school principal would be there, but I didn't expect so many people around my age. I bought my first KW album, Computer World, back in junior high in 1982, so I was pretty amazed by the mid 20's Groove Radio 103.1 and Power 106 looking revelers in attendance. Guys were in attendance, compared to women 5 to 1. I have my ideas why that is...wonder what you guys think... I have to admit, that it was probably if not the best, one of the best concerts I have ever been to. This is another rambling gushy bimbo post from me...oh well...I'm in a rather rambly gushy bimbo mood...didn't "see" some of the group there like ROBOT or Larry LaCost, but I was looking for you guys...oh well...sorry I was too tired to go to Kontrol Faktory...gotta' work in the morning... Best Regards, Jean-Luc Turbo The Cult of Eidophusikon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Wallpaper Date: 09 Jun 1998 00:21:19 -0700 If you are using Netscape 4 on Windows 95, you can go to this page-- http://www.kraftwerk.com/konzert2.html Click and hold down on the picture with the right mouse button. Choose the option "Set As Wallpaper" and there you have it--official Kraftwerk wallpaper for your computer! There are lots of other great Kraftwerk sites to do the same with! Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Wallpaper Date: 09 Jun 1998 09:51:34 +0200 > If you are using Netscape 4 on Windows 95, you can go to this page-- > > http://www.kraftwerk.com/konzert2.html > > Click and hold down on the picture with the right mouse button. > Choose the > option "Set As Wallpaper" and there you have it--official Kraftwerk > wallpaper for your computer! > It also works with Explorer. Regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf off his tits on bier Date: 09 Jun 1998 05:07:35 EDT Sorry, I used a bit of an anglicism there: to get off one's tits = get drunk, besoffen, ubriaco, soul comme une grive. Apparantly all of the band got drunk when presenting the TEE album to the press (they used a train journey as the publicity stunt). In Pascal Bussy's book there are a few pictures taken in a Paris station before or after the journey. They look a bit strange ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 09 Jun 1998 05:07:32 EDT Scott, you're right of course... but unfortunatley they really shagged up MNS on The Mix. The continuous bass riff totally wrecks the funkiness of the HipHop style drum loop (sounds like it might have come from a DRUMATIX, one of them grey/silver Roland boxes that looked like an 808). On EC, MNS really benefits from its sparseness, and I think the reMix spoils it a little. On the other hand Radioactivity is enhanced by the similar treatment. I think that's because radioactivity is an out-and-out ROCK track, Musique Non Stop isn't. Your thoughts? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk members on the list... Date: 09 Jun 1998 05:07:25 EDT Aaaaaaaaarrrrgghhhhhhh ! Can you imagine just how embarrassing that would be... the whole of KlingKlang wetting themselves laughing at us bunch of fanatics, ponderers and pseudo- intellectuals. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shojo Subject: (kw) More on Warfield Show Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:20:31 -0700 (PDT) In no particular order, I'll add to the comments already made: No opening act or DJ, just a semi-random KW-ish sequence playing for about five minutes before the "heute abend" robot voice. They were only about five or ten minutes late in starting. The pauses between the songs were very brief. 15-20 seconds. They did not talk to or wave at the audience, though some people close up probably got some subtle acknowledgements. Florian looked to be in a very sour mood. So when his pocket calculator was misbehaving I expected him to run away and hide. It was a surprise to see him start laughing and making silly robot-like gestures. Florian had the mysterious "black notebook". I could see that it was a standard three-ring binder with white paper in it. He leafed through it at odd intervals, so I'm stumped as to what it was. I know it was not a set list since that was already on the computer. I know it wasn't lyrics. I doubt it was program changes for the synths since that was undoubtedly tied into the sequencers. My guess is it's probably the latest print-out from some cycling mailing list he's on or maybe e-mail from the Spice Girls. The pocket calculators they used were all differnt from one another and were definitely not little piano keyboards. They all had buttons and a couple had knobs. I'm going with the previous guesses that the devices trigger short sequences or alter the mix of sounds. I'll disagree with jbv and say that the videos were slightly different but I don't think it was intentional. The screen over Ralf went to black and white a couple of times, seemingly at random. THe screen over Florian seemed to have the colors go slightly off during parts of Radioactivity. When the robots move, they are not all doing exactly the same thing. Th F Florian robot's head was looking back and forth quite a bit. At the end of Autobahn, the blue and white autobahn logo was very briefly shown with a diagonal red slash through it. Is Kraftwerk now saying they are against the autobahn, traffic in general or are they saying they are tired of performing Autobahn? I was close enough to recognize some equipment on stage. Below the two central computer monitors was an Alesis and Tascam digital tape machines (I don't know which models). I could see the counters going on all songs except the new AIrwaves and the two new songs. It also seemed that all four of the guys were more animated during the new songs, like the were actually all playing instead of firing sequences off or mixing effects. The t-shirts are the same ones offered on that German web site with a couple changes. Both the white and the black robot t-shirts are the same. The blue Autobahn t-shirt is a cotton t-shirt rather than the polyester cycling shirt. The last t-shirt is the graphic of the four guys in the glowing grid suits that's on the KW web site with the KW web site address at the top. The shirts were all preshrunk cotton and $25.00 each. Sizes L and XL. I loved the show. The sound was very good, the songs were slightly to very different from the album versions and the overall music, lights, video theme worked well together. BY far, this show had the widest variety of people I'd ever seen at a show It was amusing to hear the long-time KW fans and some obvious new KW fans or maybe just some posers talking. Here's what I overheard in the t-shirt line: Guy #1 "... yeah, but it they really weren't playing anythin. IT was mostly sequenced or something." Guy#2 "MANNNN. It's Kraftwerk. It's not about them playing! They are controlling." Guy#1 "Oh." <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> Robert Schmeltzer <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> rjs6@axe.humboldt.edu<> <> http://redwood.northcoast.com/~shojo <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> Site for Cheap Thrills and Useless Information!!<> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Unfortunately, they dont sing "We are the robots". :-) See you, JCFromParis On now : Caustic Window - Track 7 (Compilation) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Times L.A. article Date: 09 Jun 1998 14:03:55 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.newtimesla.com/archives/1998/060498/nightstick1.html: Kraftwerk Imagine for a moment that John Lennon didn't really die at the hands of Mark David Chapman back in the '80s, and he has emerged from nearly two decades in seclusion not only to protest his son Sean's twee new record, but to front a reunited Beatles performing Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's in concert. Not only that, but Bob Dylan has gotten back together with the Band to open for them. Now recognize that there exists a generation for whom these events would pale in comparison to the return of Kraftwerk. The way that music is made has changed dramatically since Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider first met at the Duesseldorf Conservatory and began experimenting with electronic sounds back in 1968. Typically modest, they've always downplayed their role in the revolution. "We are playing the machines. The machines play us. It is really the exchange and the friendship we have with the musical machines," Huetter once said in a rare and famous utterance. The truth is that their innovations not only made hip-hop and techno possible, they've influenced just about every other genre in which synthesizers, sequencers, and samplers are employed, from ambient to New Age to industrial to alternative. After an initial avant garde/classical minimalist phase in the early days of what has come to be called Krautrock, Huetter and Schneider added two members, hooked up with visual artist Emil Schult, and released a string of timeless albums, most recorded at their famous home studio, Kling-Klang. On Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans-Europe Express, The Man Machine, and Computer World, presentation, subject matter, and sound combine to form the archetype of the perfect electronic pop band: Not for nothing were they called the robotic Beatles or the Beach Boys of Duesseldorf. They reinvented rock technology and they made you sing along -- a very good trick indeed. There has been no new Kraftwerk music since Electric Cafe in 1986. Instead, the (un)dynamic duo spent five years doing digital remixes of such classic songs as "Computerlove," "Pocket Calculator," and "Trans-Europe Express" for the 1995 album, The Mix. Frustrated by the pace, Schult and percussionists Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer departed. Most fans gave up hope of ever seeing Kraftwerk on stage again, but the group resurfaced at last summer's Tribal Gathering in England, where Huetter and Schneider were joined by Fritz Hijbert and Henning Schmitz; their mix of digital dance music and computer visuals was reportedly breathtaking. It is said that the band members are actually manipulating the images rather than playing the music on stage these days, advances in computer technology making it easier than ever to hit a button and let the machines do all the work. But who cares? They could send the robots out, and most devotees would be happy. I mean, would you be let down if the Beatles came back? Mon., June 8, at the Hollywood Palladium, 6215 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood. (Jim DeRogatis) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Orange County Register article Date: 09 Jun 1998 14:17:15 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.ocregister.com/archives/1998/06/05/entertainment/rhythm.shtml: Kraftwerk's beat goes on June 5, 1998 Kraftwerk Where: The Hollywood Palladium, 6215 Sunset Blvd., Los Angeles When: 6:30 p.m. Monday Tickets: $27 Call: (714) 740-2000 Ask the average music fan who the most influential pop artists are, and undoubtedly the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix and Elvis Presley would be high on the list. But a case can be made for four relatively obscure, dour Germans who didn't in fact, refused to play guitars and had little good to say about blues-based rock culture. That is, when they had anything to say at all, because they rarely gave interviews. On top of that, the quartet hasn't even had that much musical output, issuing only seven albums in 24 years. Yet despite that slim profile, this quartet has had a profound impact on where pop headed in the late '70s through the '80s and into the '90s. The group is Kraftwerk, Dusseldorf classical-music students, electronic-music aficionados and members of the German art-rock underground who unwittingly broke new ground for dance, rap and electronica. While the 1974 hit "Autobahn" remains one of Kraftwerk's best-known tracks, it wasn't until 1977 that its Teutonic template booming, machine-like rhythms topped by disembodied, mechanical vocals began making cultural reverberations. The album was "Trans-Europe Express," and it was the epic title track, "Trans-Europe Express/Metal on Metal," a journey across the Europe of the imagination in which the clang and the rumble of the railroad provided the only rhythm, that moved Kraftwerk permanently out of prog-rock marginalization. With that and subsequent releases the "Tour de France" 12-inch and the albums "The Man-Machine" and, especially, "Computer World" Kraftwerk managed to earn respect from rock, hip-hop and dance music audiences, quite a feat at a time when the three were considered mutually exclusive. While Kraftwerk may have extolled the machine instead of the man, something in its music touched a very human chord. Instead of mouthing platitudes about peace and love, Kraftwerk truly brought audiences together. To paraphrase another musical visionary, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk found there was more than one way to take Tiger Mountain by strategy. Translation: The best way to reach a mass audience isn't necessarily the most obvious. Though Kraftwerk's image as unemotional, existential Prussian prats (called "fascist" by some and mocked by Mike Myers' Dieter character on "Saturday Night Live") would seem to consign the group to the fringes, it actually had no trouble traversing traditional boundaries of nationality and race. Kraftwerk's beats were heavily sampled, imitated or very influential in New York hip-hop (Afrika Bambaataa), Detroit techno (Cybotron), Miami bass (2 Live Crew), West Coast rap (Egyptian Lover, early Ice-T, early N.W.A.), mainstream rock (David Bowie), disco (Donna Summer), English post-punk pop (Human League, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, Depeche Mode, New Order), and Japanese pop (Yellow Magic Orchestra and its mainman Ryuichi Sakamoto). Today, Kraftwerk's influence can be most readily seen in the world of ambient, techno and industrial where bands such as The Orb, The Grid, Prodigy, Daft Punk, Air and Orbital carry on the Germans' machine-age daydreams. KAN KRAFTWERK STILL KUT IT? Yet, though Kraftwerk still casts a long shadow, its time may have come and gone. After all, the band hasn't had a new CD in the stores since "The Mix" in 1991, and that was a remixing and updating of past hits. Its last album of new material, "Electric Cafe" in 1986, had its pleasures but was spotty at best. The question of whether Kraftwerk can still deliver may be partly answered Monday night at the Hollywood Palladium, one stop on a short U.S. tour, its first in almost 20 years. When Kraftwerk last played here in a series of shows at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium it was a revelation. It attracted a large, multiracial crowd of disco denizens, prog-rock longhairs, new-wave preppies, artful punkers and hip-hop homeboys, all there to worship at the altar of the big beat. Such a crowd may seem unremarkable now, but this was at a time when Prince was booed offstage when he opened for the Rolling Stones at the Los Angeles Coliseum and a raucous burning of disco records in Chicago attracted national attention. In the late '70s-early '80s, the style tribes were at war, but Kraftwerk managed to somehow call a temporary truce. Still, that Kraftwerk has put out no new material in 12 years an eternity in popular music is troubling. Reportedly, the band has no new songs and no new album is imminent. Basically, the group is now a revival act a high-tech revival act, but a revival act all the same. Can it be that the notoriously tight-lipped group, despite supposedly working at least some of the time in the last few years at its Kling-Klang Studios, has run out of ideas? Or is it simply marking time until all of its imitators exhaust themselves and it can reassert its leadership at the forefront of the rhythmic revolution? Certainly, the audience is still there. When Kraftwerk played its first European gig in years at May 1997's Tribal Gathering outside London, in front of 40,000 people it was one of the most anticipated performances of the festival. Reportedly, the show didn't disappoint. But until there's some new music, Kraftwerk will remain the standard-bearer that left the parade too soon. And when it tries to get back in line, it may find itself out of step. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New York Citysearch article Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:13:48 +0200 (DFT) From http://newyork.citysearch.com/E/E/NYCNY/0011/52/23/ : Kraftwerk The original techno-fetishists were annoying the authenticity-fetishists of rock music as long ago as 1975--only Lester Bangs, no punk purist he, appreciated the delicious irony of their man-machine posturing back then. As it happens, Kraftwerk were a "real band" to start with--they began as a Krautrock group using pulsing, repetitive guitar-bass rhythms as a launchpad for psychedelic excursions into pure sound, before taking the Can aesthetic to its logical conclusion and ditching the human touch altogether. These days, the fact that they later developed into a great pop group has been obscured by the doomy followers--Gary Numan, Ultravox, even, dare I say it, David Bowie--who took their Germanic melancholy at face value, and by a new generation of techno heads for whom their sound is still the embodiment of clean, stripped-down, machine-driven perfection. But there's something in the Kraftwerk oeuvre for everyone: 1974's "Autobahn" creates their central metaphors with its twenty-minute title track; 1975's "Radioactivity," with its fluttering high-frequency oscillations and decaying geiger counters, is for the experimental crew; 1977's "Trans Europe Express" features gorgeous ambient melodies and endless pneumatic rhythms; 1978's "The Man Machine" and 1981's (!) "Computer World" are simply perfect pop; 1986's inferior "Electric Cafe" slips right into today's endless stream of inoffensive aural wallpaper. They haven't recorded anything new in years--though the remix collection titled, inevitably, "The Mix," makes for an excellent greatest hits--and indeed it seems pointless to sully perfection with attempts to keep up with their own revolution. After all, their futurism, like so many others before, has already dated. Afrika Bambaata's "Trans Europe Express"-sampling "Planet Rock" dragged Kraftwerk into our present future long ago, and the rest is history. Their recent series of one-off live performances--with robots fronting the programmers, naturally--are more a chance to pay respect than, say, hear improvisations on familiar classics, and it shouldn't be any other way.--Ben Williams last updated: Tuesday June 9, 1998 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 09 Jun 1998 08:55:15 wrote: >Scott, you're right of course... but unfortunatley they really shagged up MNS >on The Mix. > >The continuous bass riff totally wrecks the funkiness of the HipHop style drum >loop (sounds like it might have come from a DRUMATIX, one of them grey/silver >Roland boxes that looked like an 808). On EC, MNS really benefits from its >sparseness, and I think the reMix spoils it a little. I love the diversity which is apparent in Kraftwerk fans from all over the world, how some can love a particular album or song while others can find them intolerable. We've seen plenty of this diversity recently with the "best KW album" topic thread and I think it's great. As far as Music Non Stop goes, I personally find that the extra bass in the version on 'The Mix' adds a layer of depth to the song which makes it even more funky than the original. True, the original is shining in its minimalism of sound patches or "sparseness" as you say, and certainly that lack of bass makes the listener pay even more attention to the terrific drum lines and rhythms. I honestly like both versions for different reasons, and would really be hard-pressed to pick a favorite. 4 days until KRAFTWERK in NY!! -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Chicago Reader article Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:59:39 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.chireader.com/music/critic.html#AKRAFT : KRAFTWERK Wednesday 6/10, Riviera Theatre I don't know why Kraftwerk has decided to tour the U.S. in 1998, 12 years after releasing its last original album, Electric Cafe, but it's a safe bet easy cash has something to do with it. Generally I think this sort of nostalgia exploitation is tacky; however, if anyone's earned the right to do it, it's Kraftwerk. Fifteen years ago you might've cursed the group for inspiring legions of two-bit synth-pop bands, most of whom merely mimicked Kraftwerk's instrumentation and banal melodies and ignored the loaded social commentary that lurked beyond them. But nowadays it's clear that the quartet's real contributions just took longer to manifest themselves. Kraftwerk was one of the first groups to use an all-synthesizer sound in a pop context; it dismantled traditional pop song forms in favor of more amorphous structures; and it pushed the drum machine into the mainstream. And from the beeps and beats in "Numbers" (from 1981's Computer World), which served as the blueprint for Afrika Bambaataa's epochal 1982 hip-hop smash "Planet Rock," to the electronic crackle of "Geiger Counter" (from 1975's Radio-Activity), which presaged the information-overload style of current electronica proponents like Autechre, Speedy J, Boards of Canada, and Panasonic, Kraftwerk's pioneering efforts continue to have an effect on almost all modern pop music, be it direct or diffuse. The group's management has offered no information about its U.S. shows, but as there are no new recordings planned, I wouldn't expect anything you haven't heard before. Hopefully Kraftwerk won't wither beneath the weight of its importance to electronica as it did with synth pop (on the mediocre Electric Cafe), but either way the visuals are bound to be something to see. Wednesday, 7:30 PM, Riviera Theatre, 4746 North Racine; 773-275-6800 or 312-559-1212. --PETER MARGASAK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dr. Digeridoo p.B.s" Subject: (kw)merchandise Date: 09 Jun 1998 06:57:53 PDT In addition to T-shirts, was there anything else for sale? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 09:20:07 -0500 (CDT) My personal list: 1. TEE 2. Radioactivity 3. Electric Cafe 4. The Man Machine 5. Computer World 6. Autobahn 7. Ralf & Florian 8. KW 1 & 2 9. The Mix I like The Mix, but I truly think they don't do almost anything new in that album, and I don't mean they don't play any new song. When I heard for the first time, I though I had heard everything before, inluding programming, effects, ... And some of them in non-KW albums. I think is an excellent album if you compare it with the average pop album, but it didn't surprise me, while listening for the first time to any of the other KW albums was a shocking experience. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) SF Concert Review Date: 09 Jun 1998 12:41:41 +0200 > From: atombee@instrumentality.com [mailto:atombee@instrumentality.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 4:30 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) SF Concert Review > The stage had 4 workstations arranged in a shallow V pointed at the > audience, with 2 men on either side. Ralf was on the right end, Florian > on the left. One of them has a shaved head now, I'm guessing Ralf, and > will refer to him as such for the rest of this review, even though I've > never been able to tell them apart, which is odd because one of them is > taller & has a bigger head, though I know I'm not the only one with this > difficulty. Florian had a headset mic. The 2 concerts I've seen, Ralf always stood to the left, with a headset mic. Florian was the one on the right with a bald head. And he did funny things with his "Pocket calculator" at those concerts too :^D //Robert - I'll see them at Roskilde soon.... Daltek Vision http://www.daltekvision.se Tel: +46 243 73504 ISDN 2*64k: +46 243 793255 Fax: +46 243 80832 ISDN 384K: +46 243 793265 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Chicago Ticket for sale Date: 09 Jun 1998 02:06:46 EDT Caught this in alt.fan.devo, and I thought it might strike a nerve here instead of there.. This is NOT me, so reply to that guy on the message... later! EJR! >> Message-id: <357C3833.3CCDB70D@suba.com> I have ONE extra ticket for tomorrow night=92s (Wednesday, June 10) Kraft= werk performance in Chicago. I paid about $37 for it, including those nasty T= icket Master fees, and I just want to get my $$$ back. It is yours for $37. Please Email Tydirium@suba.com if you are interested! HURRY! thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Weckert (Uni-Koeln)" Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 09:23:24 +0200 > Yes, everyone does indeed have their own opinion! I've always thought of > TEE as the most thematically integrated album, with the possible exception > of RADIOACTIVITY (my 2nd favorite album, after TEE). All of the songs seem > to flow into each other. They all convey a sense of timelessness, and in > their lyrics (which I consider to be the most poetic of their albums) they > all deal with the blurring of "reality" with the "artificial." > What I like in Kraftwerk most is, that they can write very "hypnotic" stuff such as Metal on Metal, Abzug or Homecomputer, and the result won't turn out into something boring. The Hall of Mirrors/Showroom Dummies reminds me always a bit on "The Picture of Dorian Gray"... reality- and artificial! thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) 2-Hour Kraftwerk Documentary in Real Audio Date: 08 Jun 1998 22:43:12 -0700 HI! Look here if you have Real Audio. DJ is Rich Ranck, WMNU 88.5 FM, Tampa FL "Computerwelt, The Kraftwerk Retrospective" Kraftwerk College show in R.A. Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Newsgroups: alt.music.kraftwerk Hey, I surfed into a college radio site, that has a Kraftwerk show on their Archive. Cool, with rare and older pieces. Just to pass along... http://features.wmnf.org/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Skerik" Subject: Re: (kw) More on Warfield Show Date: 09 Jun 1998 08:12:03 -0700 though some people close up >probably got some subtle acknowledgements. yep, sure did.... > >The pocket calculators they used were all differnt from one another and >were definitely not little piano keyboards. They all had buttons and a >couple had knobs. I'm going with the previous guesses that the devices >trigger short sequences or alter the mix of sounds. Actually Ralf's was a little keyboard type thing, it was much thinner and longer than the other three.... I was directly in the center with only one person in front of me, they would hold down the buttons sometimes for the length of the sample, other times is was only a trigger... I actually think florian was just goofing around, I don't think it was that his pocket calculator was misbehaving, I could see him hit a button and there would be a new sound... > >I was close enough to recognize some equipment on stage. Below the two >central computer monitors was an Alesis and Tascam digital tape machines >(I don't know which models). I could see the counters going on all songs >except the new AIrwaves and the two new songs. other equipment was 4 Roland mixers, Doepfer Regelwerk, 2 Doepfer MAQ 16/3, a small Doepfer A100 I think it was a vocoder, they had a Nord Lead Rack, Waldorf Microwave1, 4 different Akai samplers, a box called ROBOVOX, Kawai K5000r, an Studio Electronics MIDIMINI, 4 huge patchbays, several various effects, among many other things I couldn't recognize Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Reader article Date: 09 Jun 1998 10:31:05 -0500 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >From http://www.chireader.com/music/critic.html#AKRAFT : > > KRAFTWERK > Wednesday 6/10, Riviera Theatre > but either way the visuals are bound to be something to see. Wednesday, 7:30 > PM, Riviera Theatre, 4746 North Racine; 773-275-6800 or 312-559-1212. They have "Kraftwerk" outside the building in big letters on the Riviera, which looks like a TEE era theater. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KING Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 09 Jun 1998 10:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Aloha, On the subject of similar groups... Buffalo Daughter, Tortoise, Stereo lab and Pizzacato Five are interesting adventures into music and sound sometimes on the electronic front. Aphex Twin, both old and new rules and you might check out the last Kevin Key release. Kevin Key is totaly rad and this new project gets back to some of the earlier experiments going on in the late 70's early 80's. !!!!WARNING!!!! If you need to be awake the rest of the day stop reading now. Also, If Kraftwerk has done anything for me over the years it opened up my world to new and different worlds that overlap in new and different ways all of the time. I see KW as a "lifestyle" as much as a pop band. In keeping with that mode of thought, in the same way that life is a dynamic process with many aspects so then is the subject of KW and related music. Although many, if not most, would take issue with me on this My take on similar music is this... Kraftwerk is a baseline by which I center myself and set my general tone, Bands such as gary newman, yello, and the art of noise have allowed me to travel in directions that I would not be able to without them and allow access to less traveled paths. These are the guide bands, the bread and butter. My patron saints are Nevik Ogre, Kevin Key and D.R.Goettel of Skinny Puppy, Download and doubting thomas. My gardian angels are Mentallo and the Fixer. These band provide me with therapy and protection from the world and myself. These are bands that evoke many emotions and yet still, to my way of thinking, maintain the S.F. motif. Bands such as System 7, the future sound of london, Aphex twin and B-12 create a positive environment where I can be creative in ways that the other music does not approach. Before I start sounding like a 60's burnout let me get to the point. In all of these bands I see, 1) A sci-Fi motif 2) evocative lyrics 3) similar thematic orientation 4) electronica sound 5) a new or different approach to music performance In general I see this music as running along a continuum from spartin to complex representing several different states of mind and spirit. And although I know it is all "pop" music in way way or another, I see Skinny Puppy being to Kraftwerk what Kiss is to Metallica. Both Kiss and metallica are heavy metal bands of different character not doubt, but I think the fans that Kiss attracted are not so far away from metallica fans. In this same way Kraftwerk, I believe, is closer to Skinny Puppy than it may seem on the surface. And I think this idea goes beyond the technological inovation and vangard of the times that KW came up in. I mean, I know that KW inspired a great many people in a great many styles of music, but I think bands like Skinny Puppy follow the tradition most closely. It seems to me that the main objection to this is a result of the threatening nature of SP's lyrics and texture. Well, as I am sure you have figured out if you have made it through all of these rambelings, I am making this all up. These ideas have never set well with most people that I have shared them with and I know that I project a lot of my own personality on to the things that I get in to. What can I say, I really do live in a different space-time continuum. But Hey!, I'm having a good time and I'm not hurting anyone. Right? also, it beats doing drugs! Something else to chew on... maybe a little hard to joke down. Thanks for "Listening", Aloha, Bryce # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "andrew T" Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 08 Jun 1998 18:35:00 PDT >After the show I went up and asked the sound mixer what was the name of the song >before 'Music Non Stop', he said is was a new song called 'Tribal'. There you go. >He was also putting away the DAT recording of the nights show. The Kling Klang release of the live ZKM and Linz shows call this song Nummweltverschmutzung....but I can see why they dont call it that while talking :) The song which was cut was Lichtof, and the other new song was called "Instrumental" -the one with the airwaves intro. concerning Ralf's singing- he was definetely either nervous or just not very confident in his English speaking. In the airwaves song there was a large part of distortion and you couldn't make out what he was saying. Also at the Warfield show- during TEE he said...T E O ! almost like he was going to say it differently. also during robots (i cant remember if this is new) some lyrics were "Semi Human Being" and they flashed on the screen which was pretty cool- also if you didnt notice from the 97 gigs in computer welt they say "Interpol and deu... bank, FBI and scotland yard, cia and KGB, control the data memory" instead of the normal. Damn that sounds like bootleg heaven! have to get over there some day.. andrew from ze computer welt http://www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 09 Jun 1998 17:00:11 +0200 as for aphextwin i would like to invite you to check out my aphextwin = pages at: http://www.andreas.de/aphextwin/index.html=20 thanks, andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: KING [SMTP:bking@falcon.cc.ukans.edu] Gesendet am: Dienstag, 9. Juni 1998 17:27 Cc: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Betreff: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Aloha, On the subject of similar groups... Buffalo Daughter, Tortoise, Stereo lab and Pizzacato Five are = interesting adventures into music and sound sometimes on the electronic front. Aphex Twin, both old and new rules and you might check out the last = Kevin Key release. Kevin Key is totaly rad and this new project gets back to some of the earlier experiments going on in the late 70's early 80's. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: R: (kw) 2-Hour Kraftwerk Documentary in Real Audio Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:05:51 +0200 >HI! Look here if you have Real Audio. > >DJ is Rich Ranck, WMNU 88.5 FM, Tampa FL >"Computerwelt, The Kraftwerk Retrospective" > >Just to pass along... >http://features.wmnf.org/ > That's great! The robot gets interviewed! Highly recommended! Thanks, Fred *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Talbert Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 12:11:33 -0400 >Fighting assertions with assertions, I will say that there is doubt. The >Mix is officially tied with Computer World for the position of best KW >album. Autobahn is the worst, and Reload: A Collection of Short Stories >(various artists) is the best album in the universe. > >Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most >favorite to least favorite. :) Sure. Here's my humble Kraftwerk LP ranking: #1: Computer World - Favorite tracks: ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THEM! These songs are timeless for me and for some reason I feel an emotional connection whenver I listen. This was the LP proved to me that Kraftwerk were THE group to stick with for great music. #2: The Mix - Why? I don't know! :-) Sure I like the original versions of "Computer Love" and "Pocket Calc" much more, but for some reason this CD gets played an awful lot. Certainly my fav songs on this CD are Autobahn, Radioactivity, TEE and Home Computer. Someone else mentioned on the list also mentioned that the remix version of Music Non Stop looses something. I totally agree. The flavor of the original on the Electric Cafe LP is far superior. The soundstage is even more "3-dimensional" than on "the Mix" Although "The Robots" on the Mix is just great, my abs fav versions are the two from the single "Robotronik" and "Robotnik." These two songs pretty much show that Kraftwerk can remix Kraftwerk better than anyone else. To truly enjoy the sound quality, you MUST get the vinyl version! Remarkable clarity and soundstage. #3: TEE - Always a classic. Absolute favorite track? "Endless, Endless" Perfect song to close out a classic LP. #4: Man Machine - This was the LP that unveiled Kraftwerk's musical magic to me back in 1978. When I heard the Robots (thanks to pioneer DJ "The Electrifying MOJO") I was hooked. It took me almost one whole year to locate this album. But it certainly was worth it! Kraftwerk seemed to be saying in their music exactly what I was thinking. Instant connection for me. Fav songs: Neon Lights, Man Machine, The Robots. I have always been drawn to LPs that close with a repetitive theme (Man Machine here. Also: EC.MNS, CW.MFTC, TEE.EE) I really prefer the German version of MM - seems to have greater intensity (as do most of the German Kraftwerk releases) #5 Radioactivity - #6: Electric Cafe: This would have ranked higher had it not been for side two. Side one is perfect. A nice theme flows throughout reaching climax with MNS. But side two seemed to come from an entirely different LP. Not that the songs are bad, I just liked them less because they tread a little too close to pop music for my tastes (not including the closing track which is, well, ok) Besides, I had already developed a great dislike for that sampled slap bass sound! (anybody else agree?) #7, 8, 9, 10: (in no particular order) Ralf and Florian, Kraftwerk 2, Radioactivity, ZKM (a bootleg concert) - Favorite overall songs: (no particular order) Numbers Computer Love (CW Version) Music Non Stop (EC Version) Robotnik Tour De France Airwaves (RA Version) Abzug (From TEE - "repetition is good!") Man Machine (Particulary the new LIVE version) Home Computer Neon Lights (Original and LIVE 1981 tour versions) Autobahn (Mix Version + orig version) Well, in less than 24 hours, I'll be driving the Chicago for the KW show and then I get to experience it all again back in Detroit the next day!! Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!! Electronic regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - Noise has a new purpose http://efofex.simplenet.com Also, Kraftwerk MIDI files: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/krftwerk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 09:53:40 -0700 I was just on the chat with S. Allann and Kraftwerk did indeed party at the Kontrol Factory after the LA show! So we are in for some great stories!!! They were there for hours. You could join them on the dance floor! They signed all kinds of things. ROBOT got to hug Florian!! ENDLOS! Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michaelc@nationalvideocenter.com Subject: (kw) Xtra tkt for NYC show 6/13 Date: 09 Jun 1998 12:32:27 -0500 I have one extra ticket for the NYC show Sat 6/13/98=2E It is one of the "balcony" seats for $35=2E00 I would be happy to sell it to someone on the list for face value=2E I believe that the show is sold out=2E If you are interested, please e-mail me at "michaelc@telezign=2Ecom" and we can arrange a place to meet before=20= the show=2E First come- first served, I don't want to start any kind of bidding war=2E=20 See you at the show! Mike michaelc@telezign=2Ecom =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Young" Subject: (kw) use of words Date: 09 Jun 1998 09:45:02 PDT >From where I stand, KW's use of words has always conveyed a sort of detached impersonality. This is not necessarily a bad thing and works the same way as, say, Brecht's "Entfremdungseffekt," or alientation effect, whereby the listener, viewer, whatever, is not supposed to be drawn into the work of art but rather is meant to stand back and observe and analyze from a distance. The lyrics are not warm, inviting and full of feeling, let's face it. But they match the music in that sense. The German lyrics are vastly superior, but the English (Japanese, French, etc.) ones also have their merit by virtue of the same Entfremdungseffekt. They keep the listener a little farther away from the essence of what KW are trying to convey, i.e., they add distance, if that makes sense. General list questions: 1) Why do people quote entire letters in their replies? Makes scrolling a real chore. Sometimes it's hard to even find if there's anything new in the reply. 2) Why do some people's postings turn up multiple times? 3) Why is there a tendency to try to cite the most obscure, inaccessible artists and recordings here in an effort to prove who has the most thorough, complete, eclectic, whatever taste? It comes across to me as very snooty and exclusionary. FOUR DAYS TO NYC AND MANY MANY YEARS OF WAITING WILL END!!!!! Jeff Young ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Volker Glave Subject: (kw) L. A. Synthesis, "Harmonic Disassembly" Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:47:09 +0200 Hi there! A few days ago on a german music TV channel (I think "VIVA") they did a video play of "Harmonic Disassembly" by L. A. Synthesis. Does anyone know where to get this superb piece on CD? I searched the internet, it seams only be available as 12'' vinyl. Volker Glave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 19:19:30 +0200 > Besides, I had already > > developed > > a great dislike for that sampled slap bass sound! (anybody else > > agree?) I agree with you. First: I dont like when Kraftwerk uses "real" instrument sounds in their songs, ok- the string arangment in Metal on Metal mix version is good, but thats the only one. Second: During the eighties slap-bass was a usual ingridiens in many popsongs and the use of it on Sex Object (the only song I wish KW =20 never should had released) mixed with that rythm give the whole song a clear 80`s sound. =20 /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) use of words Date: 09 Jun 1998 19:36:48 +0200 On 09-Jun-98 A.D., Jeff Young carved the following runes about "(kw) use of words": > 2) Why do some people's postings turn up multiple times? 2b) Why do some people cc their mail to the original poster when they reply to the list? > 3) Why is there a tendency to try to cite the most obscure, > inaccessible artists and recordings here in an effort to prove who has > the most thorough, complete, eclectic, whatever taste? It comes > across to me as very snooty and exclusionary. I doubt that's their (most people anyway) objective. I like getting tips about artists I haven't yet discovered. Although when bands like "Das blaue G=FCrteltier und sein =DCberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug" and the= ir early productions from the '60:s (made with electrified zithers) are praised I usually hit delete... --=20 E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Gross Subject: (kw) Re: KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 13:56:48 -0400 >ROBOT got to hug Florian!! That announcement made my day-- I was hoping she'd get to meet them. :-) ____________ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility/ Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:03:39 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Fred Becker wrote: > I was just on the chat with S. Allann and Kraftwerk did indeed party at the > Kontrol Factory after the LA show! So we are in for some great stories!!! > > They were there for hours. You could join them on the dance floor! OK, here's a question for those of you in the Detroit area. If Kraftwerk were to party somewhere after the Detroit show, where would they go? ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Reports of "World" Tour 98 Date: 09 Jun 1998 16:14:28 -0700 Roger sugest the idea of make a site of report, photos and audio of KW "World" Tour 98. I think it's a great idea!!! This way we could compare the differences between the shows and take a lot of points of view. And it's a great material to see what the 4 Dusseldorf guys did on stage. At the list, the things will disapear, because no one save the files. Let's make all of this available to all KW fans in the world!! Well, I have some web space, and I could host this reports... I'm planning to write something about Luton Hoo gig with pics I took. We could put everything together. I can design the pages too. If somebody like to talk about this, or send some report & material, please mail me privately. What everybody thinks about this? Thanks Nicolau Centola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 20:15:47 +0100 Jose Corchado wrote: > I was joking. Did you also think that I was serious when I said the > alien stuff? I think it is one of the the best *pop* music albums > ever, but I think that there are some electronic music albums that can > beat any Kraftwerk album. Some of Stockhausen's recordings are better > (some are worse), although I prefer Pierre Henry's electronic music. > And if you include some Bach or Beethoven music, Kraftwerk has nothing > to do in the rank. I was only referring to production and sound quality, not trying to rank Kraftwerk among the composers mentioned. There are *pop* music albums that outrank TEE in strictly production quality and sound quality. I mentioned the Klavierstuecke because the recordings date a decade earlier than TEE--it would be unfair to judge production quality comparing a late 90s album with late 70s TEE. Also, to be completely pedantic, Pierre Henry does not make electronic music, but rather musique concrete. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:25:50 EDT I would think Kraftwerk might possibly end up at Industry, I know it's a popular spot for techno/industrial afterparties... there's a slim chance of even 7th house or Clutch Cargo's.... but these are all just wild guesses.... Havoc "All we want is a headrush... all we want is to get out of our skin for a while..."- KMFDM, Dogma # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) use of words Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:49:46 EDT In a message dated 6/9/1998 1:42:32 PM, you wrote: << On 09-Jun-98 A.D., Jeff Young carved the following runes about "(kw) use of words": > 3) Why is there a tendency to try to cite the most obscure, > inaccessible artists and recordings here in an effort to prove who has > the most thorough, complete, eclectic, whatever taste? It comes > across to me as very snooty and exclusionary. >>>I doubt that's their (most people anyway) objective. I like getting ti= ps about artists I haven't yet discovered. Although when bands like "Das blaue G=FCrteltier und sein =DCberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug" and the= ir early productions from the '60:s (made with electrified zithers) are praised I usually hit delete... E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * <<< With all due respect: I think that everyone should contribute the relevant idea that tickles th= eir=0Afancy. There is a joy in doing so, and one never knows how the info= rmation or=0Aviewpoint they supply may be just the one somebody else need= s...whether it's a=0Areview of the SF show from multiple perspectives, or= a description of "Tour De=0AFrance" as "achingly beautiful" that, right = at that moment, feels perfect.... Harry Allen=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) use of words Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:54:12 EDT In a message dated 6/9/1998 1:14:07 PM, you wrote: << >From where I stand, KW's use of words has always conveyed a sort of detached impersonality. This is not necessarily a bad thing and works the same way as, say, Brecht's "Entfremdungseffekt," or alientation effect, whereby the listener, viewer, whatever, is not supposed to be drawn into the work of art but rather is meant to stand back and observe and analyze from a distance. The lyrics are not warm, inviting and full of feeling, let's face it. But they match the music in that sense. The German lyrics are vastly superior, but the English (Japanese, French, etc.) ones also have their merit by virtue of the same Entfremdungseffekt. They keep the listener a little farther away from the essence of what KW are trying to convey, i.e., they add distance, if that makes sense. General list questions: 1) Why do people quote entire letters in their replies? Makes scrolling a real chore. Sometimes it's hard to even find if there's anything new in the reply. >> Probably for maximum context and, thus, presumably, understanding. Best, Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Favourite KW Album and Song Date: 09 Jun 1998 17:11:51 -0700 Well, my favourite KW album change every week, because I listen KW every day, and sometimes I change the disc! But for me the best record they did is RADIOACTIVITY!! no one said it at the list... I don't know why. Radioactivity is the more complex and complete piece of music made by a human being. No so easy to listen. I didn't recommend this one for a new fan. Listen the others first. Of course KW 1 and KW 2 are more complicated to listen and understand, but these two are experiments. Radioactivity is a classic simphony, with one track mixing with other, voices coming and going... every time I hear this album I listen new sounds in there. And the LP copy is a two suite album, just perfect! I realy LOVE this LP. And is a fundamental record in KW history. Is the first totally made with synthetic sounds... in Autobahn, we have guitars and violins, but at Radioactivity, EVERYTHING was made with keyboards. All vocoders and synths made one wall of sound, marvelous soundscapes (remember Robert Fripp). Certanly the following records are totally influenced by Radioactivity. I heared in a thousand records of other artists echoes of Radioactivity!! I'm sure of Phillip Glass love this album, and a lot of other ones... So I'm very happy they are playing Airwaves in 1998... I would like to hear (and see, of course) how is this song 23 years later... My favourite KW Song is, with no doubt, POCKET CALCULATOR. The video os this song was so important for me. It was the first image of KW in my mind. Another perfect music, with the small machines playing music!! A song made with calcs... hehehe. Unforgetable! Futuristic and modern! Of course I like many other songs and records. Anyone has a special place in my life. My entirely existence is based on KW. I studied Eletronic Engenieering because I would like to understand this relation between machines and music. But now I'm a journalist. What do you think? Anyone loves Radioactivity? BTW, tomorrow will become World Soccer Cup in France... well guys, I don't like to disapoint you (specially the german ones), but Brazil will win!!! First game, Brazil x Scotland. Peace and tchau Nicolau Centola # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. A. Nelson" Subject: Re: (kw) Favourite KW Album and Song Date: 09 Jun 1998 13:46:52 -0700 tg97 wrote: > What do you think? Anyone loves Radioactivity? Yes, here. Radioland causes visceral emotion from me when they sing: "Elektronen klaaaaaaangeeeeeeee aus dem Radiolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand(t)". I don't know why. I think the "angelic voices" tenor of Radioactivity makes it my favorite album by far. It really evokes the almost mystical aether that human beings have surrounded themselves with using imagination and metal. It is, quite literally, a celebration of "Real Magic". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: Re: (kw) Tokyo Report Date: 09 Jun 1998 20:06:49 +0100 andre wrote: >The Kling Klang release of the live ZKM and Linz shows call this song >Nummweltverschmutzung....but I can see why they dont call it that while >talking :) The song which was cut was Lichtof, and the other new song >was called "Instrumental" -the one with the airwaves intro. this is a bootleg, nothing to do with kling klang, and the names of the three new songs are completly made-up. jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) SF Concert Review Date: 09 Jun 1998 22:56:45 +0200 As far as I know, Ralf has always (at least since Autobahn) been on the left side of the stage and Florian on the right. This is also true for most sleves with pictures of them: Ralf und Florian, Autobahn (reissue), The Model (7"), CW (backside) and videos where you see the Kling Klang studio. /Joakim -----Original Message----- The 2 concerts I've seen, Ralf always stood to the left, with a headset mic. Florian was the one on the right with a bald head. And he did funny things with his "Pocket calculator" at those concerts too :^D //Robert - I'll see them at Roskilde soon.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:53:35 +0100 >ROBOT got to hug Florian!! that's fantastic! good for you Robot! :)) jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Lyrics Date: 09 Jun 1998 16:59:09 EDT In a message dated 6/9/1998 10:04:47 AM, you wrote: << I love the diversity which is apparent in Kraftwerk fans from all over the world, how some can love a particular album or song while others can find them intolerable. We've seen plenty of this diversity recently with the "best KW album" topic thread and I think it's great. >> Cheers, cheers! Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 09 Jun 1998 23:32:27 +0200 I must agree about Skinny Puppy. If you haven't heard their last record called The Process, do it! Of cource, it will not sound like Kraftwerk at all, but if you like the music of Kraftwerk, there's a big chance you'll like this record. Earlier records differ quite a bit, but I enjoy most of them too. The only thing you might dislike about Skinny Puppy is their use of braping: Hook up some instruments, get high and then do the recording... Another group which might be of interest is Laibach, and particulary the record called Kapital. This is a most excellent record! /Joakim -----Original Message----- And although I know it is all "pop" music in way way or another, I see Skinny Puppy being to Kraftwerk what Kiss is to Metallica. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) use of words Date: 09 Jun 1998 23:31:10 +0200 On 09-Jun-98 A.D., Scramjet1@aol.com carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) use of words": > > > In a message dated 6/9/1998 1:14:07 PM, you wrote: > > << >> From where I stand, KW's use of words has always conveyed a sort of > detached impersonality. This is not necessarily a bad thing and works > the same way as, say, Brecht's "Entfremdungseffekt," or alientation > effect, whereby the listener, viewer, whatever, is not supposed to be > drawn into the work of art but rather is meant to stand back and > observe and analyze from a distance. The lyrics are not warm, inviting > and full of feeling, let's face it. But they match the music in that > sense. The German lyrics are vastly superior, but the English > (Japanese, French, etc.) ones also have their merit by virtue of the > same Entfremdungseffekt. They keep the listener a little farther away > from the essence of what KW are trying to convey, i.e., they add > distance, if that makes sense. > > General list questions: > > 1) Why do people quote entire letters in their replies? Makes > scrolling a real chore. Sometimes it's hard to even find if there's > anything new in the reply. >>> > > > > Probably for maximum context and, thus, presumably, understanding. > > > Best, > > > Harry Allen This is ironic. :) "Why do people quote everything?" is answered by quoting stuff which is out of context and doesn't help understanding... Even more ironic that I, in order to make my point, have to quote the irrelevant part. Soon I guess people will send bloody HTML in their mails too :) Basta! -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) S.F. & L.A. Show. This One Is Important!!! Date: 09 Jun 1998 14:10:58 -0700 One thing to note about both the San Francisco and L.A. concerts, lots of press. I'm sure a review is out by now from the San Francisco Chronicle or the San Jose Mercury Newspaper. L.A./Long Beach's papers should have something on them tomorrow. Guarantee there were reporters from magazines. Also, the press were there for a longer period than the S.F concert. NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS! Do I have your attentions people??? Tripod video cameras were station on each side of the upper balconies. I was in the front first row looking at Ralph in both concerts (actually my girlfriend had first dibs in the front row in L.A.) as I was in San Francisco. When I turned around to look at the crowd in L.A. 2 vidoe camera on opposite ends (stage left & stage right) were on and filming (the bright red light was on!). And this was good... I saw no mistakes or bugs in the concert. If they had to film a flawless concert, L.A. was the place to do it (I only mention that because I've heard in the past that mechanical difficulties were present at previous concerts... such was not the case in L.A.). I could not see if there was a camera center stage of not but I'm sure there had to have been one. To give you an idea on how the two were placed, see below: oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | | | Stage | | | | | | | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | Audience | X | | X | | | | Outside the veritcal bars, in the audience area represent the upper balcony... audience is below stage level... and X marks the spot for the video cameras! Excellent concert to be filming this. I was only nervous briefly when I noticed how shallow the stage was and how close the audience was... how could they pull off performing Pocket Calculator? But in the end they did it without a hitch and the rest is on film. I must add that the the L.A. crowd was much more aggressive than S.F. I could see the concern in each of the band members eyes... already the crowd pushing there way closer to the stage and the 1st song wasn't even 1/4 of the way through. It was also very hot in L.A. Poor ventilation and the heat even caused one person next to us to pass out. I think the majority would agree that security was at its tightest. Unlike S.F., a 2 tier security system was present and as soon as I saw the wands, I immediately reached for my disposable camera, located in an obscene location, and threw it away... well I got away with getting a camera in at S.F. and, quiite honestly, I got a better spot in S.F. Funny, the first person in line at S.F. had a boom box playing KW... the first person in line at L.A. had a boom box playing KW... ;-> Hope all is well and we'll talk soon. Larry R. LaCost Jr. BTW, Jean-Luc, you could not have missed me. I was like the fourth person in line. I arrived to stand in line about 2:45pm after getting off the plane from S.F. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Favourite KW Album and Song Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:05:30 EDT In a message dated 98-06-09 16:16:35 EDT, tg97@geocities.com writes: << But for me the best record they did is RADIOACTIVITY!! no one said it at the list... I don't know why. >> I said it.. Glad to see that somoene else loves and appreciates Radio- Activity in the same ways I do! EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) Reviews and such. Date: 09 Jun 1998 15:42:38 -0700 It's been mentioned here before that there was press attending the shows. I was hoping a review would appear in Mondays editions of either of S.F.'s papers, but was disappointed. I hope our California friends, both SF and LA, keep their eyes peeled for reviews and other press, and post them when they appear. I would, but I am now back in my home haven of Seattle. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 16:06:54 -0500 (CDT) > > Jose Corchado wrote: > > I was joking. Did you also think that I was serious when I said the > > alien stuff? I think it is one of the the best *pop* music albums > > ever, but I think that there are some electronic music albums that can > > beat any Kraftwerk album. Some of Stockhausen's recordings are better > > (some are worse), although I prefer Pierre Henry's electronic music. > > And if you include some Bach or Beethoven music, Kraftwerk has nothing > > to do in the rank. > > I was only referring to production and sound quality, not trying to rank > Kraftwerk among the composers mentioned. There are *pop* music albums > that outrank TEE in strictly production quality and sound quality. I > mentioned the Klavierstuecke because the recordings date a decade > earlier than TEE--it would be unfair to judge production quality > comparing a late 90s album with late 70s TEE. I am sorry; my English is not very good, so probably I misunderstood your message. I wasn't talking about sound quality, but music quality. I don't know anything about recording techniques and I prefer not to give any opinion about this subject. > Also, to be completely pedantic, Pierre Henry does not make electronic > music, but rather musique concrete. My fault again. As a punishment, I will write "Pierre Henry makes musique concrete" one hundred times. Bye Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 10 Jun 1998 01:03:56 +0200 Well, here's my list: 1. The Man Machine: Just Perfect. "The Model" and "The Man Machine" are still up to date. Great cover & artwork. It took some time - when I bought this CD, I didn't like it, but now it's my favourite. 2. Trans Europe Express: Glorious tribute to the TEE. "Europe Endless" and "Showroom Dummies" are also great songs. I most like the strong bass/drums. 3. The Mix: I like it because of it's "clear" sounds. Outstanding soundquality, great songs (again "TEE", "Radioactivity", "The Robots"). 4. Techno Pop: I just hope, it will be released somedays...;-)! The title song is for me one of Kraftwerk's best products. 5. Electric Cafe: Great artwork, perfect sound quality. I don't like the first three songs, but "Sex Object" and "Electric Cafe" have good melodies. However, it's more ab "technical" (sound quality) than an "melodical" album. 6. Computer World: I mostly like the title track. All in all great a sound for this time. 7. Autobahn: Was my first KW-album. I think the original title-song is still my favourite KW-song. Great (nice) cover, "kitschig". However, the other songs, except "Morgenspaziergang" are one of Kraftwerk worst ones. 8. Radioactivity: All in all to "experimantal" to me. I prefer the "straight" songs. But I most like "Antenna", "Ohm Sweet Ohm" and, of course, "Radioactivity". 9. Ralf & Florian: All in all, too experimental to me, like "Radioactivity". Well, "Kristallo" is great. 10. KW 1 & 2: The same, See above. Favourite: "Ruck Zuck" Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- | Georg Jajus, Vienna, Austria | http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ | "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." |____________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 16:34:02 -0700 > Fred Becker wrote: > I was just on the chat with S. Allann and Kraftwerk did indeed party at the > Kontrol Factory after the LA show! So we are in for some great stories!!! > They were there for hours. You could join them on the dance floor! No kidding?! Damned, I KNEW I should have requested the time off again after tickets sold out anyway... > They signed all kinds of things. Goodness, I would love to bring a copy of Computer World and Radioactivity for them to sign. > ROBOT got to hug Florian!! Wow... If I were her I'd have passed out! Bill __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf off his tits on bier Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:32:41 +0200 >journey. They look a bit strange ! well, I think they *are* a bit strange... Florian with the fur collar coat was one of my fashion statement. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) San Francisco June 7th! Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:22:17 +0200 >I was thrilled to attend the show last evening. I even took my 16 year old son there should be more dads like you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:59:47 +0200 >I was just on the chat with S. Allann and Kraftwerk did indeed party at the >Kontrol Factory after the LA show! So we are in for some great stories!!! DID THEY? >They were there for hours. You could join them on the dance floor! > >They signed all kinds of things. > >ROBOT got to hug Florian!! oh my, did this really happen? I'm so glad! is still the home site of Kontrol Factory working? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Favourite KW Album and Song Date: 09 Jun 1998 20:10:08 +0500 On 10-Jun-98, D. A. Nelson wrote: >tg97 wrote: >> What do you think? Anyone loves Radioactivity? Absolutely! I was becoming interested in shortwave at the time, and RA really captured the feel of tuning in to strange signals late at night. Kind of like being able to hear radio waves with your ears instead of electronic equipment... :-) -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) KRAFTWERK PARTY ALERT! Date: 09 Jun 1998 20:13:01 +0500 On 10-Jun-98, abzug wrote: >>ROBOT got to hug Florian!! >that's fantastic! good for you Robot! :)) NOTE TO ROBOT: Time to let go of him now; the tour's not over yet... ;-] -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 09 Jun 1998 20:18:12 EDT In a message dated 6/9/1998 7:14:55 PM, you wrote: <> Is there actually such a thing? Best, Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EZwerk Subject: (kw) [Fwd: KRAFTWERK] Date: 09 Jun 1998 19:45:01 +0000 Article on Kraftwerk in the Chicago Tribune (whereI work)... > check it out... > > http://www.chicago.tribune.com/leisure/music/article/0,1051,ART-9850,00.html > > Ernie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: Re: (kw) use of words Date: 10 Jun 1998 03:30:40 +0200 >> 3) Why is there a tendency to try to cite the most obscure, >> inaccessible artists and recordings here in an effort to prove who has >> the most thorough, complete, eclectic, whatever taste? It comes >> across to me as very snooty and exclusionary. but dear, we *are* snotty and exclusionary... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 10 Jun 1998 03:56:23 +0200 >My fault again. As a punishment, I will write "Pierre Henry makes musique >concrete" one hundred times. with a good use of cut and paste you could write it quickly 128 times. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Favourite KW Album and Song Date: 10 Jun 1998 03:52:23 +0200 >> What do you think? Anyone loves Radioactivity? I repeated it many times, but there are new listies, so old ones will forgive me. I listened to Radioactivity (the song, and soon after then the album) when I was 13-14. at this age in Italy you have to choose your secondary school, at least if classic, scientific or technical. I choose (choosed?) an institute for nuclear technologies... and I degreed on it. (but I was wishing to work in a nuclear power plant... maybe I missed something... :-))) ) >Yes, here. Radioland causes visceral emotion from >me when they sing: "Elektronen klaaaaaaangeeeeeeee >aus dem Radiolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand(t)". I don't know >why. I was instead a little scared by The voice of energy. but when I read the text it seemed like my physics book, and I felt reassured, both with the song and with studies (one study with more good will something that is sang by K...). and Geiger counter... fading in Radioactivity... pure minimalist genius! also, I was following a basic electronic course by mail, i received some simple material to assembly in simple equipment... seeing Karl and Wolfgang on those sort of percussion used with wired knitting sticks was so reassuring... when I tried to obtain some sound, do you recall Harmonika? but this is on Autobahn... now that I am into informatic, one of my favourite song is Computerlove. it build some tension and then release it. for me this is THE song. >I think the "angelic voices" tenor of Radioactivity makes >it my favorite album by far. It really evokes the almost >mystical aether that human beings have surrounded >themselves with using imagination and metal. yes. the other times I found similar choirs was on Unspeakable, from the second album of Killing Joke, and on the song after Joan of Arc of Orchestral Manoeuvers in the Dark. btw, KJ has nothing to do with K, while some atmosphere of OMD's Architecture and Morality (I really recommend you to listen to this album) and the following album has. maybe it's not a case that a member of OMD collaborated with Bartos on the first album of Elektrik Musik. but this and the late OMD are all another story. while I like EM, late OMD don't say so much to me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) tour map Date: 10 Jun 1998 04:38:02 +0200 it seem that the german city could be really be Duesseldorf, but this is only the start of the tour, not a city where they'll perform. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: (kw) Forwarded article: The Beatles of electronica Date: 09 Jun 1998 18:51:50 -0700 The following article was selected from the Internet edition of the Chicago Tribune. To visit the site, point your browser to http://www.chicago.tribune.com. ----------- Chicago Tribune Article Forwarding---------------- Article forwarded by: EJR Return email: ejrsemigod@aol.com Article URL: http://www.chicago.tribune.com/leisure/music/article/0%2C1051%2CART-9850%2C00.html Comments: hey hey ---Forwarded article---------------- The Beatles of electronica By Greg Kot Instead of guitar solos, they gave the world the sound of ping-ponging synthesizers. Instead of rhythms created by banging a stick against a snare drum, they made the music wiggle by playing machines with their fingertips. The band is Kraftwerk, and its innovations paved the way for the last 20 years of electronic pop music. It would not be an exaggeration to describe this quartet from Dusseldorf, Germany, as the founding fathers of techno, the Beatles of electronica. "Electronic music is truly a world music, which can be adapted to any ethnic context," says Ralf Hutter, who founded Kraftwerk with Florian Schneider in the early '70s. "This is not music limited to the six strings of a guitar. It is music that uses 22,000 heads -- the whole range of audio frequency -- to create notes." Hutter is calling from Japan where Kraftwerk has just played the first show on a tour that will bring it to the Riviera on Wednesday, the band's first area appearance in more than a decade. The timing couldn't be better. Virtually every one of Kraftwerk's innovations, once considered freakish and inhuman, have been absorbed by the mainstream. "We were denounced as artists that make noise, and we were told we had no future," said former Kraftwerk percussionist Wolfgang Flur in an interview last year. In concert, the band presented a spectacle like no other, as they brought their "man-machine" concept to the stage with stark mood lighting, minimal movement and austere outfits. These visuals were an extension of the music, with its hypnotic rhythms and futuristic textures created on vintage synthesizers and homemade machines. The Kraftwerk sound, image and aesthetic had a profound influence on virtually every style of electronic music that followed: the synth-pop of Depeche Mode and Gary Numan, the Berlin-based albums of David Bowie and Brian Eno, New York hip-hop (Afrika Bambaataa's landmark "Planet Rock" was based on Kraftwerk's "Trans-Europe Express"), Detroit techno (which pioneering deejay Derrick May described as the sound of "George Clinton and Kraftwerk stuck in an elevator"), Euro-disco (particularly Donna Summer's collaborations with Giorgio Moroder, such as "I Feel Love") and much of today's ambiant techno, including the work of Orbital and Aphex Twin among countless others. "We were always considered outsiders, mad scientists, in our home country, so to get this kind of feedback from other artists was very encouraging," Hutter says. "We saw this as the next step--we called it electronic folk music -- and now it's happening." But after laying the groundwork with a series of classic albums in the '70s, the band's activity slowed to a trickle in the '80s and all but stopped over the last 10 years. Hutter explains that this period was devoted to updating the band's longtime Kling Klang studio at the back of a railway station in Dusseldorf. The studio is private and never has had a receptionist or a phone. To this day, the band operates without even a manager to oversee its business affairs. In this regard, Kraftwerk is the ultimate example of the do-it-yourself ethic that is the guiding principle of underground music. "We have always considered ourselves musical workers, who would go into our studio for nine hours a day, every day except Sunday," Hutter says. "Everything else is just a distraction. The record industry? We've never been connected to that." Now Hutter says Kraftwerk is preparing to release its first collection of new music since 1986. Parts of the new compositions will be performed on the current tour, as well as vintage tracks. "We have succeeded in turning Kling Klang into a mobile studio and essentially bringing it with us on tour," he says. Though computers hold all the musical information, the quartet is able to reconfigure it at will in the live setting, calling up the remarkable sounds made on their ancient analog equipment and blending them with new technology and meticulously prepared graphics and visuals. But despite the band's technical innovations, what matters most is the spirit behind the music; tracks such as "Autobahn," "Trans-Europe Express," "The Model" and "Tour de France" aren't just cold musical grids, but cinematic dreamscapes that offered a highly stylized interpretation of everyday sounds. "Romantic realism," Hutter called it. Hutter is pleased that the band's music has been adapted in so many ways by such a wide assortment of cultures. He shares a sense of wonder that music created by lapsed classical musicians in an abandoned factory in Europe could so profoundly affect and change the lives of, for example, young ghetto blacks in Detroit. "We met some of these techno deejays when we toured England last year," Hutter says, "and they were telling us they were too young to get into the club to see us the last time we played America. So now, they have that chance." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Forwarded article: The Beatles of electronica Date: 09 Jun 1998 22:08:53 EDT WOW! hutter speaks its been a long time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 10 Jun 1998 03:17:35 +0100 Svensson, Joakim wrote: > I must agree about Skinny Puppy. If you haven't heard their last > record called The Process, do it! I agree, but do not expect to hear bleeps and soft beats :-). This album has plenty of distorted guitars and has a way harder edge than any Kraftwerk. > Another group which might be of interest is Laibach, and particulary > the record called Kapital. This is a most excellent record! I would say "Nato" is better, as "Kapital" is a bit less easy to like. For other similar bands, there are the bands from the Sheffield scene, like Cabaret Voltaire, Click Click or Clock DVA, and the bands from the canadian scene, namely the above mentioned Skinny Puppy and experimental sideproject Download, Front Line Assembly and sideproject Noise Unit. It really depends on the particular preference--some of these have a rougher edge. FLA actually acknowledge Kraftwerk on their "Millennium" album. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: odsplut@ix.netcom.com Subject: (kw) ShitGoddamnGetOffYourAssAndJam!!! Date: 09 Jun 1998 19:17:14 -0700 ...BASS BASS BASSically speaking, "LIVE: Hollywood Palladium, 08 June 1998" is now my fave Kraftwerk record... All the simple, metallic airiness you've known and trusted for years...and now with a phat rear-end to boot!!! A bit of advice...those "balcony seats" don't/won't work no mo...trade 'em in for the "floor" else you'll miss the train rumbling down the track and who knows when the next TransEuropeExpress will arrive..? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "karl bartos" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Tribute? Date: 09 Jun 1998 17:52:03 PDT Recently to kick off the world cup soccer tournament/competition/whatever the French had a parade on the Champs Elysses (a little TEE coincidence??:). In the parade there were FOUR robots!!! Long live KRAFTWERK!!! A secret tribute to the awesome German group maybe? :) kwrobot@hotmail.com from the KW Autobahn http://www.angelfire.com/nj/jschabado ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) ShitGoddamnGetOffYourAssAndJam!!! Date: 09 Jun 1998 21:26:06 -0700 > odsplut@ix.netcom.com wrote: > ...BASS > BASS > BASSically speaking, "LIVE: Hollywood Palladium, 08 June 1998" > is now my fave Kraftwerk record... > All the simple, metallic airiness you've known and trusted > for years...and now with a phat rear-end to boot!!! Oh, GOD... Why me? My most major bitch has been the lacklustre subs on most Werkings, but to miss them tossing it out into my own face in PERSON?!?! Someone, just f*cking shoot me... And, uh, is that a bootie with the bass you made? I'd, ah-HEM, uh-like to possibly "hear" said item for myself. Can you press CD's, and where are you located geographically? MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Heil" Subject: (kw) Favorite Song Date: 09 Jun 1998 22:20:20 -0700 "Computerlove" I remember last summer, this was something I could never forget--because I met her.. I mean Her. On a crumby old local BBS, we somehow met in the mess of cyberspace--obviously a Computerlove.. God.. that song.. how it tells the story.. We met in real life, and it worked so wonderfully--and I gave her a copy of "Computerlove" from which we loved as much as I did. And from the next four months, my computer was basically my life... I sat and sat in front of the dim glow of the monitor late into the nite, with just a flow of ascii between us... it seemed like I could reach out and touch her. Our dates were just that, data dates. But like any old computer (or robot), there were rough days when the BBS was down, or our computers had malfunctioned. Dread the tears, and the emotions of what could be wrong--assume the worst--and you're left with a straght connection to depression. We broke up though.. and it was difficult, because we still loved each other--but her family was falling apart and the pressure to keep me a secret was too much. I still keep all my 'data dates' so I can read through them and remember the best days of when I had someone I knew was the right person--she wrote music and stories.. I gave her art. This is exactly what the music can do, in our new age that they created in 1981... our daily lives and this is what really happens today, and it happens all the time. Thanks Kraftwerk... Turning 20 this year, finding a girl who even likes synth music is a challenge. Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are my favs Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) The Best Kraftwerk Album Date: 10 Jun 1998 01:15:39 EDT On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Ra writes: >Perhaps we should flood the list by each ranking KW albums from most >favorite to least favorite. :) Keep in mind that I am NOT a musician at all...the only thing I can play well is a turntable (ok, shortwave radio too). Therefore, many of you here who ARE musically inclined look at this from a different perspective. I simply get into the music, and enjoy it for what it is, not that "this bass line is lousy, and it should be replaced by a sampled something-or-other". My list: 1) Autobahn The songs in this album (with the exception of the minimal vocals on Autobahn), I look at them as musical soundscapes. Only the music to convey an image, yet it does. In particular, Komettenmelodie 1 & 2, and Morgenspaziergang do a phenominal job at that. Autobahn would have been a perfect example without the actual car engine samples...but it is really a minor part of the song, and the actual song carries it along very well. A very nice way to spend 20-odd minutes. Morgenspaziergang is a great piece to wake up to... 2) Radioactivity The first Kraftwerk album I bought. For the most part it seems to flow together, and forms a picture, not unlike a jigsaw puzzle. Ohm Sweet Ohm, however doesn't seem to fit the pattern created by the rest of the album. Regardless, it IS my favorite track on this album. R & F Oh where do I start? If I didn't know what order all the Kraftwerk albums came out, I would still place R & F as being made between Kraftwerk 2 and Autobahn. A lot more like KW1 & KW2, but more polished. Less use of special synth effects as on Autobahn, nore dependence on melody (as opposed to Autobahn which is more aristic than melodic)...but even this is a minor point, in some ways R&F is just like Autobahn, in some ways it's like KW2, in some ways (Ttongebirge) it's like both at the same time. My favorite track on this is Kristallo. Being in stereo has a LOT to do with its sound (Hint: try running it through an SQ decoder). I also like Tanzmusik a lot... 3) KW 2 Klingklang - just something about this that I really like. The intro is great, further in the part where the music slows down and grinds to a stop before coming back as a different movement. It reminds me of Black Bottom by Spike Jones. I know it's not the same at all, but it reminds me of it. But in general it reminds me of the music made by industrial machines, and that's music to my ears. 4) Computer World The album that re-introduced me to Kraftwerk. A co- worker and I were exchanging albums (hey, you should hear this!) After having sworn off TEE and M-M years earlier, and never really giving them a chance, I decided to listen to this and loved it! Computer World was definately a great track to start with...great album overall. But...It WAS still Kraftwerk. Was it worthwhile trying to get a record on my own, or would I regret it? 5) The Mix This one answered my question. I was at a friend's house, and she was playing this just fantastic record. It sounded like Kraftwerk...but I wasn't 100% sure...so I asked her. She showed me it was The Mix. Later I talked her into making a tape for me. That was it, I was a Kraftwerk fan. This was early '94. The tape was fine, but I decided I need to get the CD...so I did. My favorites from this are Metal On Metal and Music Non Stop 6) Trans-Europe Express Good in it's on right. My favorite track is Hall Of Mirrors. Not my favorite KW disk, but I do like it.. 7) Showroom Dummies (EP) My favorite on this is Les Mannequins , does anyone know if they have a version of Showroom Dummies sung in German? I'd love to hear that. 8) Man Machine I was subjected to this when it came out by a friend of mine (who I haven't seen in years) who was a BIG KW fan...perhaps it was jbvsilences . It wasn't until much later that I appreciated it/ My favorite track from this disk is The Model 9) Electric Cafe Not my favorite. Sounds too much like Disco for me. Kraftwerk 1 I think this is too experimental. My favorite track is Vom Himmel Hoch That's my list. I really don't gove a hoot about production values, etc, just whether I like it or not, and even Kraftwerk 1 is great! Like Duke Ellington said, "If it sounds good, then it IS good!" Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) BigBlack Album Cover (Atomizer) Date: 10 Jun 1998 04:55:42 EDT Funny you should mention the Electrifying Mojo: Big Black bassist Dve Riley's membership card to the electrifying mojo's fan club is depicted on the reverse of the (LP) sleeve of Atomizer and - of course - on their next album (songs about fucking) BB did indeed cover KW ! It's a small world !!! PS BB's The Model is by far and away the best ever KW cover. Any other good ones around ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Yes there is such a thing as the TEE Date: 10 Jun 1998 05:14:57 EDT Not any more. The TEE was in a sense the Orient Express of the 2nd 1/2 of C20th. Continental european train travel is really the last vestige of fist world glamour, and I can only recommend it to our fellows from other continents - you move through a variety of landscapes and cultures with such ease, without hindrance and in style. sadly the concept of the TEE has been superceded by the likes of IC-E (InterCity Express) run by Deutsche Bundesbahn (recently v. tragically), TEN (Trans-Europe Nuit), a Wagons-Lits (see, the names still carry their glamour) service linking France, Germany, Switzerland and Italy and the Eurostar (linking UK to France). All German Inter City trains still have names like Rheingold, Thomas Mann, etc. and this is of course a link between transport and the rest of culture that KW peened a paean to on the TEE album: Franz Schubert is the name of a train. In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe Direkt vor dem Dom TEE... it really is possible. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) New record-releases in the UK Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:14:19 +0200 I found some news at http://www.thei.aust.com/isite/pow6.html, even though I'm not sure which year the text is about. If it's about 1997, we all know there wasn't any re-issues, exept for the 12"s with t-shirts. If it's about 1999, well then we'll just have to wait. I'm a bit worried, because it's only re-packagingand that's not what we want. /Joakim Highly influential and brilliant German electronic pioneers, Kraftwerk, are working on new material for an album tentatively scheduled for September. In addition, EMI (UK) will reissue all their albums - with extra tracks - to mark their appearance at the Tribal Gathering festival on May 24 when founding members Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider will be joined by musicians Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz, who accompanied the band on their UK dates promoting "The Mix" in 1991. The band will play four new songs during their performance and according to the Brit music press recently delivered tapes of three new tracks - recorded at the band's Kling-Klang Studio in Dusseldorf - to EMI. Security is so tight only two EMI staffers have apparently heard the new tapes. The first Kraftwerk reissue, "The Man Machine", originally released in 1978, is set for June 2 and will come with an extra CD featuring three German vocal versions of old Kraftwerk songs: "Neon Lights" ("Neonlicht"), "The Model" ("Das Modell") and "The Robots" ("Die Roboter"). Repackaged versions of "Radio-Activity" (November 1975) and "Trans-Europe Express" (April 1977), both featuring extra tracks. follow in July. EMI also plan to release four limited-edition 12" singles to coincide with Tribal Gathering. There will only be 250 copies each of: "Trans-Europe Express" backed by an instrumental B-side; "Numbers" and "Musique Non-Stop" (both backed by the same track); and "Home Computer" backed by "It's More Fun To Compute'. They will be packaged in a box with a free T-shirt. Umm, we're out of here. - Mike Gee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Germanofon "Tour de France" bootleg?? Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:36:12 +0200 (DFT) Found at rec.music.industrial: > I've seen a bootleg CD which had "Tour de Fance" on it. It was made by > Germanofon Is anyone able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Giveaways? Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:38:21 +0200 (DFT) Found at alt.punk: > -when at the end of pocket calculator the curtains were closing and at the > last minute they started taking things out of their pockets and were > giving them to people in the front. i don't know what they gave them but > it must be something magic. Has anyone else made similar observations? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Tibetan Freedom Concert Realaudio broadcast Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:45:32 +0200 (DFT) > From the LiveConcerts newsletter : > > --- > SPECIAL EVENT: June 13 & 14 > LC is bringing you the 1998 Tibetan Freedom Festival in > conjunction with Milarepa, SonicNet & UBL. Register now > at: http://www.tibet98.com/ > --- > > Get more info at: > http://www.sonicnet.com/tibet/98/ > http://www.liveconcerts.com/ Does anyone know if the broadcast will be archived? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Tibetan Freedom Concert Realaudio broadcast Date: 10 Jun 1998 14:13:37 +0200 I will try it myself. Either by saving the audiostreem, or simply by recording it on a tape-recorder. /Joakim -----Original Message----- > From the LiveConcerts newsletter : > > --- > SPECIAL EVENT: June 13 & 14 LC is bringing you the 1998 Tibetan Freedom Festival in > conjunction with Milarepa, SonicNet & UBL. Register now at: http://www.tibet98.com/ > --- > > Get more info at: > http://www.sonicnet.com/tibet/98/ > http://www.liveconcerts.com/ Does anyone know if the broadcast will be archived? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Germanofon "Tour de France" bootleg?? Date: 10 Jun 1998 08:38:14 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I've seen a bootleg CD which had "Tour de Fance" on it. It was made by > > Germanofon > > Is anyone able to confirm this? I don't know of any Germanofon release. Maybe this person saw the Olympic CD, which has "Tour de France" on it, and somehow associated it with Germanofon. There's also some compilation CD that has TdF on it, but I can't remember the name, and it's not a Germanofon release. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) Equipment used during Konzert Date: 10 Jun 1998 14:36:09 +0200 > A buddy tried to identify equipment - he spotted four > Kawai K-5000 synths, a Raveolution, and a DA-88, but there was a lot more. > We couldn't couldn't see what sort of control surface was on the > workstations; most of the motions I saw looked like slider pushing & > pulling, with some button punching and a little key playing. There are quite a few products from Doepfer (German company, Mr. Doepfer is a friend of Kraftwerk). Look it up (http://www.doepfer.com/new_e.htm) in order to find out more about the used equipment (there's also pictures available on the pages) --- begin quote from doepfer www page --- Of course some of our products can be seen on stage during the tour: Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, MAQ16/3, A-100, MMR4/4, custom-made mini MIDI keyboards (during pocket calculator song), custom-made MIDI master keyboards (modified LMK2 with 61 keys). --- end quote --- As far as I could spot from the 2nd row in front of the stage at the SF Warfield Konzert, all of the here mentioned equipment was in use during the concert (the lights flashed in the correct rhythm with the music and they stopped flashing at the end of each song when KW started to configure the equipment for the next song) Christoph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: AW: (kw) Tibetan Freedom Concert Realaudio broadcast Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:48:18 +0200 they probably will archieve it. liveconcerts.com still has last year's = free tibet concert. as for saving the audiostream you won't be lucky i guess. they probably = disabled the savable-option ;( i already thought about finally buying a soundcard with digital-output = to save such nice things as realaudio and mp3 ;) regards, andreas=20 ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH=09 Information Design Schubertstra=DFe 8 schepers@net-media.de 66111 Saarbruecken http://www.net-media.de -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Svensson, Joakim [SMTP:joakim.svensson@capgemini.se] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 1998 14:14 An: Klaus Zaepke; Kraftwerk mailinglist (E-mail) Betreff: RE: (kw) Tibetan Freedom Concert Realaudio broadcast I will try it myself. Either by saving the audiostreem, or simply by recording it on a tape-recorder. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Live Concert Date: 10 Jun 1998 10:12:31 -0300 Anybody knows how LiveConcerts will show Tibet Freedom? KW is ascheduled on Live Concerts? Peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Similar groups ? Date: 10 Jun 1998 09:15:15 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Paulo Mouat wrote: > > Another group which might be of interest is Laibach, and particulary > > the record called Kapital. This is a most excellent record! > > I would say "Nato" is better, as "Kapital" is a bit less easy to like. My favorite Laibach albums (and I like Laibach quite a bit) are OPUS DEI and LET IT BE (their fascistic "remix" of the Beatles album). But KAPITAL, NATO and ALSO SPRACH JOHANN PAUL II are of greater interest to techno fans. Their stuff from the early '80s (such as the OCCUPIED EUROPE TOUR) would be of great interest to industrial music fans, while albums like MACBETH are more Gothic. Laibach also contributed to an homage to/remix of Kraftwerk, TRANS SLOVENIA EXPRESS. Laibach took the "corporate" aspect of Kraftwerk to its furthest extreme. Like KW, the musicians prefer to speak of themselves as workers rather than artists, and treat their music as an industrial product. They have consciously adopted the German language in much of their music (they are Slovenian), and frequently make reference to another KW theme: the future as seen by the past, although in Laibach's case they typically use Communist and Fascist images from the '30s and '40s as opposed to the Bauhaus approach of the '20s and '30s that KW has taken. Their music isn't very "Kraftwerkesque" (they're closer to Einzurstende Neubaten), although like KW they moved from a highly experimental phase at their inception to a more "populist" approach later in their careers. Their political and cultural importance in Slovenia is quite large, having been part of the art movement Neue Slowenische Kunst, an organization which agitated against the old Slovenian Communist government quite successfully during the '80s. Anyway, some of you might be interested in checking them out. They are much closer to KW "theoretically" than musically. They have an interesting Web site at "http://www.laibach.nsk.si". ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "The heroes of the epics of India are not Student Services, individuals, but whole reels of individual- The University of Michigan ities in a series of incarnations." LS&A Honors Program --Hermann Hesse, http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ STEPPENWOLF including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Re: Yes there is such a thing as the TEE Date: 10 Jun 1998 09:31:46 EDT In a message dated 6/10/1998 5:14:57 AM, you wrote: <> Wow. I'd heard that TEE was real, but never really knew this. I certainly did not know about Franz Schubert. Thank you! Harry Allen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Radioactivity fans (favourite album) Date: 10 Jun 1998 10:36:55 -0300 D. A. Nelson wrote: > > I think the "angelic voices" tenor of Radioactivity makes > it my favorite album by far. It really evokes the almost > mystical aether that human beings have surrounded > themselves with using imagination and metal. > > It is, quite literally, a celebration of "Real Magic". Yes, the angelic voices choir is one of the best things in the album. Make me cry everytmie I hear it... I think it was made with sinthetic sounds, but I'm not sure. Maybe some kind of mellotron... any information about this? Chis Gross mentioned short waves interferences... marvelous! Cascades of voices disconnected (or not) + vocoder. A work of genious!! My studies in eletronic engenieering was made based on the relation between machines and music. But here in Brazil we don't have many researches in this field... and we don't have the course of Audio Engenieering or Sound Engenieering. Maybe I will study in Europe in the future. If I could find some good course. I think it was very complicated to record Radioactivity. Considering we was in 1975, the work was hard. They use mellotrons? I read in a theremin page that KW uses some kind of theremins... but I don't know in which song. In 96 I lost a chance to buy a Theremin from an old man in Camden Town. One year after, I went to the same place to buy one, but the "pre historical eletronic stuff shop" didn't exist anymore... It's funny, because I don't like Antenna itself. But in the context of the entire LP, it sound great! BTW, another great song for me is Franz Schubert... peace and tchau Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dorthe Cohrs Subject: (kw) NYConcert Date: 10 Jun 1998 9:38:57 EDT Hi Werkers. If you could see me right now, I am kind of excited and jealous (only a little bit) and extremely happy that Kraftwerk is delivering the promise they didn't make but intrinsically carried. What I am saying is that I am glad that you guys met R & F. It has been a long time, and before the tour started, I was scared it would just be a concert and that's it. But it seems to be an experience as we expected. I am rambling, I know. Anyway, I am going up to Neu York soon. And I repeat: WHAT CLUB IS A NECESSITY TO GO TO? WHERE WOULD THEY GO IF THEY GO OUT? ANY IDEAS? Please help a little German girl who does not know NY that well. Friends told me to go to Bar 89 ((*?) in Soho for lunch or a snack or just to look at it. Anyone confirm that? Please please, pretty pretty please. Need answers soon. Going up there Thursday evening. Ciao, see you there. Die Kraft ist am Werk. Nur noch 3 Tage!!!!!!!!!! eins, zwei, drei. und was werdet ihr tragen? What will you guys be wearing? for ID purposes only. Ciao, Diz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Valery Kondakoff Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars + Flur = Yamo? Date: 10 Jun 1998 18:28:18 +0400 Hello, Robots! Maybe all of you, people, know that before, but after listening of Mouse On Mars "Iahora Tahiti" album I realized, that Yamo's "Stereomatic" song is just an remix of MoM "Stereomission" song... Flur played drums on Mouse on Mars "Iahora Tahiti" (1995) album and now Andy Toma and Jan Werner (Mouse On Mars) are playing on Yamo's "Time Pie"... So can we say: Mouse on Mars + Flur = Yamo? Best regards, Valery mailto:strauss@orc.ru http://www.nbk.orc.ru -- Moscow Rock-Club "NÅ âÅÊ ëÏÐÙÔÏÍ" Homepage # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Walker Subject: (kw) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:06:42 -0500 Date: 10 Jun 1998 09:04:59 -0600 I will be at the Chicago show at the Riviera tonight and am very excited. Any idea of what the band plans on doing in the windy city after the show? crw # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Los Angeles Times concert review Date: 10 Jun 1998 17:19:34 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.calendarlive.com/HOME/CNS_DAYS/980610/t000053919.html : Techno-Rocking Kraftwerk Charges Up Pop music review: In its first L.A. concert in almost 15 years, the German quartet shows the influence of its groundbreaking circuit-driven music. By MARC WEINGARTEN, Special to The Times Kraftwerk hasn't released an album of original material in close to a decade, its live shows are few and far between and none of the four members has gone on to release any recent solo material of note. So how is it that the German quartet not only sold out the Hollywood Palladium on Monday but managed to turn this ultra-rare L.A. appearance--its first in close to 15 years--into one of the can't-miss musical events of the year? At a time when electronic textures have infiltrated the pop landscape like never before, Kraft-werk's manifold innovations in the realm of circuit-driven music loom large. The group, which released its first album in 1971, is to contemporary synth-derived rock what the Velvet Underground is to punk and alternative rock--the band that made it all possible. During Kraftwerk's expansive two-hour performance at the Palladium, one could pinpoint the musical seeds that later germinated into the '80s New Romantic synth-pop movement that spawned bands such as Spandau Ballet and Depeche Mode, trip-hop, house music and contemporary techno. Even hip-hop owes a considerable debt to this Teutonic foursome--rap pioneer Afrika Bambaataa sampled the band's "Trans-Europe Express" for his seminal 1982 song "Planet Rock." But it's the recent surge of techno, combined with the revival of the "Krautrock" movement that Kraftwerk spearheaded in the '70s, that drew all those fans to the Palladium. That, and the fact that the band's inscrutably chilly yet strangely riveting stage persona is as much a part of its appeal as the music itself. Onstage at the Palladium, the members of Kraftwerk were elegantly sleek futurists. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and new recruits Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz--dressed in matching black vinyl outfits--stood side by side like high-tech assembly workers and played in front of an intricate matrix of electronic equipment and lights that resembled one of NASA's mission control panels. Four screens above the band flashed constructivist tableaux, whimsical computer animation and video collages in perfect sync with the music. It was all an appropriate visual analogue to Kraftwerk's sound, which vacillated from pristine and mechanical to serene and meditative. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of Kraftwerk's performance was the way it created countless musical variations on its minimalist bleep-ology. The band moved effortlessly from the playful, childlike charm of "Tour de France" and the austere beauty of "Computer World" to the ominous grind of "Man-Machine," the closest thing to a personal manifesto the band has ever recorded. Purists may chafe at the thought, but Kraftwerk proved on Monday that it was really the first great industrial synth-pop dance band. Masters of the robotic jam, the band would start with deceptively simple melodic motifs and either surge forward in a headlong rush (thereby coming very close to the metronomic thump of house music) or downshift into the orderly lock-step rhythmic patterns of songs such as "Trans-Europe Express" and the band's most famous song, "Autobahn." Regardless of the tempo, the Palladium crowd responded with healthy doses of frenetic dancing--that is, when it wasn't ogling the band's eye-popping visuals. Though Kraftwerk is one of the few bands that can spend an evening tinkering around with sequencers and still command attention, its coolly functional approach began to grow tiresome about midway though its set. Fortunately, the quartet had a couple of surprises in store for its three-song encore, particularly during "We Are the Robots," which featured four animatronic facsimiles of the band members slowly gyrating to the seamless motorik beat. For a band whose relationship with technology verges on the symbiotic, it was the logical conclusion to a spellbinding set. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: leonard@howpubs.com (Gregg Leonard) Subject: (kw) extra ticket Date: 10 Jun 1998 00:29:06 -0500 (CDT) I have an extra ticket for the chicago show at the Riv that I am going to let go for face value, $32.50 (that includes the damn service charges) E-MAIL ME at leonarga@axp.calumet.purdue.edu if interested. I will not be at this e-mail address today. gregg ----- "Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big, wear glasses if you need 'em." The Webb Wilder Credo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "klaus olsen" Subject: (kw) Roskilde show Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:16:19 CEST Todays issue of the danish newspaper "Berlingske Tidende" includes an article about the group. It´s the usual stuff - no new information. A representative from the danish EMI/Medley record company says: A new Kraftwerk release has been on our schedule for the last two years - we will believe it when the actual cd appears ! About the Roskilde show: Kraftwerk is the sole live act to appear in the green tent that night due to their fragile equipment. Support is DJ Hell playing "Kraftwerk related material" and a film "Modulations" about the history of techno. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) Great review from the L.A. Times Date: 10 Jun 1998 07:52:51 -0700 Found at http://www.calendarlive.com/HOME/CALENDARLIVE/CALENDAR/t000053919.html It's a keeper... Larry R. LaCost Jr. 6-10-98 Techno-Rocking Kraftwerk Charges Up Pop music review: In its first L.A. concert in almost 15 years, the German quartet shows the influence of its groundbreaking circuit-driven music. By MARC WEINGARTEN, Special to The Times Kraftwerk hasn't released an album of original material in close to a decade, its live shows are few and far between and none of the four members has gone on to release any recent solo material of note. So how is it that the German quartet not only sold out the Hollywood Palladium on Monday but managed to turn this ultra-rare L.A. appearance--its first in close to 15 years--into one of the can't-miss musical events of the year? At a time when electronic textures have infiltrated the pop landscape like never before, Kraft-werk's manifold innovations in the realm of circuit-driven music loom large. The group, which released its first album in 1971, is to contemporary synth-derived rock what the Velvet Underground is to punk and alternative rock--the band that made it all possible. During Kraftwerk's expansive two-hour performance at the Palladium, one could pinpoint the musical seeds that later germinated into the '80s New Romantic synth-pop movement that spawned bands such as Spandau Ballet and Depeche Mode, trip-hop, house music and contemporary techno. Even hip-hop owes a considerable debt to this Teutonic foursome--rap pioneer Afrika Bambaataa sampled the band's "Trans-Europe Express" for his seminal 1982 song "Planet Rock." But it's the recent surge of techno, combined with the revival of the "Krautrock" movement that Kraftwerk spearheaded in the '70s, that drew all those fans to the Palladium. That, and the fact that the band's inscrutably chilly yet strangely riveting stage persona is as much a part of its appeal as the music itself. Onstage at the Palladium, the members of Kraftwerk were elegantly sleek futurists. Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and new recruits Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz--dressed in matching black vinyl outfits--stood side by side like high-tech assembly workers and played in front of an intricate matrix of electronic equipment and lights that resembled one of NASA's mission control panels. Four screens above the band flashed constructivist tableaux, whimsical computer animation and video collages in perfect sync with the music. It was all an appropriate visual analogue to Kraftwerk's sound, which vacillated from pristine and mechanical to serene and meditative. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of Kraftwerk's performance was the way it created countless musical variations on its minimalist bleep-ology. The band moved effortlessly from the playful, childlike charm of "Tour de France" and the austere beauty of "Computer World" to the ominous grind of "Man-Machine," the closest thing to a personal manifesto the band has ever recorded. Purists may chafe at the thought, but Kraftwerk proved on Monday that it was really the first great industrial synth-pop dance band. Masters of the robotic jam, the band would start with deceptively simple melodic motifs and either surge forward in a headlong rush (thereby coming very close to the metronomic thump of house music) or downshift into the orderly lock-step rhythmic patterns of songs such as "Trans-Europe Express" and the band's most famous song, "Autobahn." Regardless of the tempo, the Palladium crowd responded with healthy doses of frenetic dancing--that is, when it wasn't ogling the band's eye-popping visuals. Though Kraftwerk is one of the few bands that can spend an evening tinkering around with sequencers and still command attention, its coolly functional approach began to grow tiresome about midway though its set. Fortunately, the quartet had a couple of surprises in store for its three-song encore, particularly during "We Are the Robots," which featured four animatronic facsimiles of the band members slowly gyrating to the seamless motorik beat. For a band whose relationship with technology verges on the symbiotic, it was the logical conclusion to a spellbinding set. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: llacost@juno.com (Larry R LaCost Jr.) Subject: (kw) Chicago Sun-Times Date: 10 Jun 1998 08:07:57 -0700 Found at http://www.suntimes.com/output/derogatis/07kraf.htm Kraftwerk lets music do talking June 7, 1998 BY JIM DEROGATIS POP MUSIC CRITIC Although the debt is rarely acknowledged so explicitly, there exists a generation of fans for whom the German band Kraftwerk is more important than the Beatles. Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider met at the Dusseldorf Conservatory. They've been experimenting with electronic sounds since 1968, when Kraftwerk originated as a band called Organisation. Over the last three decades, they've pioneered the use of synthesizers, samplers and sequencers, introducing techniques of electronic music-making that are now taken for granted in alternative rock, dance music and hip-hop. Perhaps more importantly, Hutter and Schneider created a perfect pop group--one in which presentation, subject matter and sound combine to create a timeless archetype. Not for nothing has Kraftwerk been called the Beach Boys of Dusseldorf. In typical fashion, the duo has modestly downplayed its accomplishments. ``We are playing the machines. The machines play us. It is really the exchange and the friendship we have with the musical machines,'' Hutter has said. That was in the late '70s. Hutter and Schneider have rarely spoken since, preferring to let Kraftwerk stand as an enigma. And even though the group will perform at the Riviera Theatre on June 10 as part of its first American tour in 15 years, it's sticking to its policy of letting the music do the talking. ``There is no new album,'' said a friendly but stern female voice on the phone at Kling Klang, Kraftwerk's famous Dusseldorf recording studio. ``There are no interviews, just the show. Thank you.'' Click. No matter: Sometimes it's best to let your heroes remain shrouded in mystery, especially when the music tells the story. After one album of Philip Glass-style minimalism as Organisation, Hutter and Schneider regrouped, choosing the German word for ``power plant'' as their new name. Kraftwerk's first three albums continued in a similar New Age vein, but in 1974, the duo turned away from the avant-garde and made a calculated attempt to ``go pop.'' In their friend, visual artist Emil Schult, they found a guru with a talent for conceptualizing their music and presenting a unified multimedia image. And in the then-new Mini-Moog synthesizer, they found an electronic instrument that was perfectly suited for rock 'n' roll. It was as if Chuck Berry had just discovered the electric guitar. ``Autobahn'' was conceived as an aural version of driving on the German highway. The title track is powered by an incredibly catchy synthesizer riff, and it isn't clear whether Hutter is singing in German or English. The lyrics could be ``Fahr'n, fahr'n, fahr'n an der Autobahn'' (``Driving, driving, driving on the Autobahn''), or a very Beach Boys-like ``Fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn.'' The album became a huge hit in the United States after Chicago record producer Robin McBride edited ``Autobahn'' into a 3 1/2-minute single that was equally popular on rock radio and at cutting-edge discotheques. Expanding to a quartet with the addition of percussionists Wolfgang Flur and Karl Bartos, the group presented itself as a new kind of all-electronic band: Ladies and gentlemen, the robotic Beatles. More extraordinary albums followed: ``Radio-Activity'' (1975), ``Trans-Europe Express'' (1977), ``The Man Machine'' (1978) and ``Computer World'' (1981), all recorded at Kling Klang, and all boasting rich, complex, multilayered synthesizers and electronic drum sounds that many have envied but few have been able to imitate. By the mid-'80s, the band had been hailed by the likes of Brian Eno and David Bowie (who dedicated a song to the group on ``Heroes) and nascent New Wavers such as Devo and Gary Numan. Rap innovator Afrika Bambaataa sampled Kraftwerk; Chicago's Big Black covered the group, and the trailblazers of techno and house music in Detroit and Chicago paid homage in interviews and on record. As its popularity grew, Kraftwerk withdrew from the spotlight. One of the best songs on ``The Man Machine'' is called ``The Robots,'' and it plays with the musicians' images as stiff automatons. But it wasn't long before the band actually took to sending finely crafted robots out to appear at press conferences, pose for photos and even perform some concerts while Hutter and Schneider stayed home at Kling Klang. In the early '80s, Hutter and Schneider became more interested in pursuing their new passion for bicycling. This was reflected in 1983 on a single called ``Tour De France,'' in which the rhythm track is based on a bike racer's heavy breathing. The ``Electric Cafe'' album followed in 1986. In his excellent biography, Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music, French critic Pascal Bussy noted that the album brought the band full circle, ``building up atmospheric pieces of music rather than writing conventional songs.'' Kraftwerk hasn't released any new material since. The (un)dynamic duo spent five years doing digital remixes of classic songs such as ``Computerlove,'' ``Pocket Calculator'' and ``Trans-Europe Express'' for an album called ``The Mix.'' Frustrated by the pace, Bartos, Flur and Schult departed, and the music world has been waiting for Hutter and Schneider to re-emerge ever since. They finally did last year, making a highly anticipated appearances at England's Tribal Gathering rave. The group was a quartet once again (completed by Fritz Hilpert and Henning Schmitz), and its mix of electronic music and computer visuals reportedly was breathtaking. It is said that the band members are actually manipulating the images rather than playing the music on stage: Advances in computer technology mean they barely have to touch their machines to make music now. But no one who saw Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering was disappointed. Would you be let down if you got to see the Beatles after all these years? Heck, I'd be happy even if they sent the robots in their place. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Detroit Free Press Huetter interview Date: 10 Jun 1998 17:46:10 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.freep.com/fun/music/qkraft10.htm : Electronic pioneer Kraftwerk returns to Detroit June 10, 1998 BY BRIAN MCCOLLUM Free Press Pop Music Writer Ralf Hutter has always had a good ear for the future. So it figures he was there to catch a glimpse of it in 1981. With his group Kraftwerk, dashing across America for a rare set of live shows, Hutter stopped in Detroit -- an industrial city not unlike his home base of Dusseldorf, Germany. "We played a little club there called Nitro," he says. "I remember the reaction being very strong, very dynamic." Kraftwerk and Detroit, it would turn out, were a potent combination. By decade's end, Hutter was dancing to Detroit techno in clubs in Berlin and Frankfurt, where audiences fast latched on to the new Motor City sound -- sparse, rhythmic music built upon Kraftwerk's own pioneering electronic foundation. They were sounds crafted by artists like Derrick May and Juan Atkins, young blacks from northwest Detroit who -- like their hip-hop and new wave contemporaries in New York and London -- had become enchanted by the precise, ethereal German music and its mysterious creators. "We always predicted this electronic music would be the next step," recalls Hutter. "This Detroit type of techno music, especially, we felt an affinity for." On Thursday, Hutter will be back for the first time since that 1981 event. With longtime collaborator Florian Schneider, he'll perform at St. Andrew's Hall, part of a six-city tour of the States. You can't call it a concert, exactly: Onstage with the duo and their two supporting musicians is the group's entire Kling Klang studio -- "only the walls remain in Germany," Hutter has said. There are video screens, instruments made from pocket calculators and robots that perform a mechanical ballet. Hutter sings a bit, but even that is mostly electronically manipulated. It's enough to throw off folks accustomed to traditional performance structures. "Kraftwerk is the interaction between man and machine," Hutter says. "There are parts of our music where it is all automation, other parts where we synthesize sounds from silence." The musical landscape has been repainted many times since that last Detroit show in '81: Hip-hop and techno -- along with resulting offshoots like drum-n-bass and trip-hop -- have become the world's soundtrack. Kraftwerk is to those modern styles what bluesman Robert Johnson was to rock 'n' roll. Formed in 1970 as a quartet, brainchild of Hutter and Schneider, the group was among a wave of German keyboard groups that included Tangerine Dream. But Kraftwerk -- with its affinity for avant-garde experimentation -- quickly pulled ahead of its peers. Albums such as "Highrail" (1971) and "Autobahn" (1975), whose sprawling title track was edited into a single that reached the U.S. Top 30, were synthesizer symphonies. Kraftwerk labored through the decade, garnering relatively low sales and little appreciation from critics, but confident technology would someday deliver widespread justice to its creative vision. "It's so much easier now," Hutter says of digital sequencers and other innovations. "A lot of things weren't available to us, being an independent, small group of people and not a major company. We couldn't afford some things. "In the past, we had to build certain instruments -- rhythm computers and drum machines. Today that's all available and even mobile. It allows for more positive creativity." Hutter is an elusive artist who has long kept a low profile. He rarely grants interviews, and when he does talk, it's slowly and carefully. His measured words, though, reflect not a struggle with the English language but an overriding bent for precision -- the same meticulous mind-set that has shaped three decades of Kraftwerk music. Hutter, who at 52 remains a frequent club patron, says he isn't a fan of all the music that has come in Kraftwerk's wake: "There's a general tendency to recreate historical sounds," he laments, "rather than looking for the future." Still, Hutter and Schneider have found much to appreciate. At last year's Tribal Gathering concert in England, the pair