From: NICKV Subject: (kw) Autobahn Video Date: 01 Jul 1998 16:30:49 +1100 I just downloaded the Autobahn Vid from the Media centre - I haven't seen that in years, cool! All I can say is "Holy Pot, man!" someone hauled on a huge greenbat before animating that, too bad I'm at work or I'd light one m'self. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 08:19:55 +0100 >and when I heard the yodelling computer voices in the 2nd section... >well, then I *knew* they were just taking the piss out of us all...) "ve have an expesnive vocoder that yodel's so ve must use it..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) the point for this tour? Date: 01 Jul 1998 08:16:13 +0100 > It's a joke, little abzug, an amusing refernence to a band called >Kraftwerk, and the lyrics of their song HomeComputer. > Maybe you've heard of them? oh, a joke was it? sorry Davey boy, it's just when people make jokes there's usually some humour involved, you know :) jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) "Kraftwerk" products Date: 01 Jul 1998 04:37:29 EDT That's bonkers ! I used to live just down the roads from Pforzheim ("the gateway to the Black Forest") in Calw, a little village where Herman Hesse was born. I used to go to Pforzheim to see my orthodontist. Urrrghhh !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: Re: (kw) "Kraftwerk" products Date: 01 Jul 1998 09:52:29 +0100 That's bonkers ! I used to live just down the roads from Pforzheim ("the gateway to the Black Forest") in Calw, a little village where Herman Hesse was born. I used to go to Pforzheim to see my orthodontist. Urrrghhh !!! really? how interesting, i must travel more ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 05:40:19 EDT Awwww come on, the mix version of Autoban may have its weaknesses but you gotta admit that the yodelling computer voices are one of the finest mements in pop history. A glorious spoofy teutonic techno larf. KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 11:57:41 +0200 Hi ! What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish have some other kind of meaning... Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I think) Can anybody confirm it ? Thanx :-)))))))))) Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) LA sow and AIDS rumor Date: 01 Jul 1998 11:45:16 +0200 >"Very good. You will see more shows." So even if the rumor is true it >sounds like they wont let it stop them. That's ok ! . Of course I am no expert but they >all looked healthy. When I'm thinking about the rumour I see more clearly that is not true. Why ? 1) This is the typical news item about somebody who is famous and has a not too public live. How many times have you see this kind of piece of news what finally wasn't true? And more when the informant don't speack about the source of the information. 2) If the information is finally true, isn't motive for not to see KW in tour anymore. Most of people who is HIV positive can continue with his live for many years and is very dificult to say that 'next year you will not can do anything' (Only is posible if he were advanced on ill, and is not the case because then they could not be on tour actually. And they look all healthly). For this two points, I think it was a unfortunate information for a good newspapew. Regards. Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 18:51:00 +0700 J.Prieto - MuSiK wrote: > > Hi ! > > What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? > I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish have > some other kind of meaning... > > Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I think) > > Can anybody confirm it ? nope, but you ought to check out your physics books sometime ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:25:22 +0100 It's just a play on words with the English expression "home sweet home". I'm sure you know what an Ohm is (think analog synthesisers). As for psychedelic connotations, maybe you should ask MERSEYCHAM... My God! Kraftwerk made *another* joke! Shock! Horror! and who said Germans were humourless automatons! ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:29:30 +0100 > KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! listen up spotty nerds! ain't that the truth! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? :-) Date: 01 Jul 1998 13:51:57 +0200 >> Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I think) >> >> Can anybody confirm it ? > >nope, but you ought to check out your physics books sometime ;-) > Ok.. I know.... resistance measure.... Someone explainme why Ohm can be sweet (because when they work with Ohm is like be at home)... thanx, MERSEYCHAM But before, I didn't know why a Ohm can be sweet if it was the meaning of resistance. (I don't like physic too much, I'm computer-software-engineer (and computer-music-maker), not hardware. :-))) Thanx Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 07:43:39 EDT On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:41 +0200 "J.Prieto - MuSiK" writes: >Hi ! Hello Juan... >What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet >ohm" ? >I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish >have some other kind of meaning... >Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I >think) Can anybody confirm it ? >Thanx :-)))))))))) I can't say for certain that this is how it's intended, but this is how I interpret it. 1) Ohm is a unit of electrical resistance, so it fits in nicely with the "radio" theme of the Radioactivity album (Airwaves, News, Transistor, Radioland, Radio Stars, Antenna)...interesting that the Radio-activity album has themes of both radio and radioactivity. 2) Ohm Sweet Ohm is a take off of the saying "Home Sweet Home". 3) Ohm (or Ommmm) is a common mantra used for Trancendental Meditation. Ohm Sweet Ohm spoken at the beginning of the song is done like a mantra. 4) (most important) It's a cool song that really doesn't need an explanation. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Jefferson Starship - Play On Love _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:05:02 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Adam Read wrote: > >From the recorings I have heard, the 1st appearance of the Orchestron in the > Kraftwerk live sound was on the UK tour, 01/09/1975 in London.The choir sound is > used in Kometenmelodie and the the string sound is used on Ruckzuck. This is also > the first live use of the vocoder. > > During the 1975 US tour a few months earlier, these sounds and equipment were not > present in the live performances, so my guess is that Kraftwerk did a bit of > shopping while they were in the US. Thanks Adam: yes, that makes sense, they must have bought the Orchestron during the 1975 US tour- it all becomes clear! I wish I had a recording from the UK Autumn '75 tour... it sounds brilliant! DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:18:27 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > Awwww come on, the mix version of Autoban may have its weaknesses but you > gotta admit that the yodelling computer voices are one of the finest mements > in pop history. A glorious spoofy teutonic techno larf. > KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! Well, yes- the yodelling obviously is *meant* to be funny... ... guess I'm just less amused that they hoped. Especially when I listen to what they did in 1975 live on my Cologne Radio Bootleg, where they put on loads of echo and filter sweep and drunkenly go "FFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahrn Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahrn" in a hypnotically out of tune way (which strangely reminds me of the the Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again", although it doesn't really sound *that* similar)... [OK, so that bit actually comes after verse 3... in the yodell bit in 1975 - after verse2 - they had a minor3rd-detuned miniMoog VCO pile-up-car-carnage incident instead. Beats yodelling any day...] DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:22:14 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, J.Prieto - MuSiK wrote: > What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? > I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish have > some other kind of meaning... It's a pun on the English phrase "Home Sweet Home", and the "Ohm", which is the SI unit of electrical resistance (named after Herr Ohm). The symbol used for the ohm is a capital Greek letter omega, which the final letter of their alphabet, often used to denote "the end", "Ohm sweet Ohm" being the end of the album. Oh, R&F, you worry so much about your public image, and still people miss the point... DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gunnar@gunnar.com" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and AIDS - Story killed Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:55:50 +0200 I phoned Svenska Dagbladet and talked with Anders Sundin, an editor at the same section as Johanna. He told me that Johanna Olofsson, who wrote the story, had read "in some musicpaper, don't know" that TWO of the members in Kraftwerk have AIDS. I'm working for Expressen, another Swedish newspaper, and Anders got the impression that I was going to follow up the story from Svenska Dagbladet. He didn't think that was a good idea. He said: "It was stupid to write that". So it's just gossip and the paper regret it. /Gunnar R Johansson gunnar@gunnar.com gunnar@gunnar.net gunnar@home.se "It=B9s Only When I Lose Myself in someone else - Then I find myself" Martin L. Gore - 98 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) New Records Trade Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:40:09 +0200 Hi, I've got more Kraftwerk and Elektric Music records to trade: EM Lifestyle CDs SPV 085-93853 KW Die Roboter 12" Electrola 1C060-204325 KW Radioaktivität 12" Electrola 1C060-204516 KW The Robots / TEE 7" Toshiba-EMI ECR-20476 Japan Edition Please, let me know what is of interest and send me your trading list. P.S.: Anybody knows something about 2CD "Kraftwork" sampler released by Millenium Records? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) TAZ Roskilde review Date: 01 Jul 1998 17:11:34 +0200 (DFT) Todays edition of the German newspaper TAZ contains a review of the Roskilde festival, incl. a paragraph on Kraftwerk: http://www.taz.de/~taz/980701.taz/ku_T980701.165.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and AIDS - Story killed Date: 01 Jul 1998 08:13:20 -0700 Thank you Gunnar for your detective work on this. FBI and Scotland Yard indeed. Kraftwerk lyric substitution: "I don't want to be your media object." Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Young" Subject: (kw) Radio-Aktivitaet Date: 01 Jul 1998 07:50:58 -0700 >KW did not intend (in my opinion) in 1975 to relate the composition Radio-Aktivitaet to radioactivity but to radio activity. That's why the words in 75 were: >Radio Aktivitaet Strahlt Wellen zum Empfangsgeraet >Well, actually - I think it was a play on the words 'radio activity' and the word 'radioactivity.' >Certainly Madame Currie (sp?) did not discover 'radio activity. . . . ' No, she discovered Indian food, didn't she? ;-) No, but seriously, this whole radio activity/radioactivity parallel theme pun is, I think, the prime example of Kw's sense of humor (not to mention it's from the album that gave us "Ohm Sweet Ohm..."). Jeff Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) Article in MM Date: 01 Jul 1998 09:14:07 +0200 > The 6-98 issue of MM, a Swedish music technology magazine, contains an > article on Kraftwerk on the occasion of the current tour. It gives a > good recap of their career. > > There's also an interview with Emil Schult, where he tells about his > involvement with Kraftwerk; I wasn't aware of his major contribution, > such as being the sole writer of the lyrics, or coming up > with the idea > and themes for songs on Computer World, for example. He also tells how > he originally met with the Ralf and Florian - playing a > violin himself, > Florian lent a violin bow from him. There's also talks about a CD of > his experimental music from 1977, the first of three to be released. A > reference to this can be seen at > http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk/kwemil.html. This is quite funny for me ;D First, the Article was written by Two of my friends, and I was with them at the intervju with Emil. Second, some of the pictures on this URL you refferenced has images that I scanned. Slightly edited though :D Regards //Robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:15:21 +0700 abzug wrote: > > > KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! > > listen up spotty nerds! ain't that the truth! > hey! i ain't got spots...... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Withers" Subject: RE: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 11:25:08 -0500 > abzug wrote: > > > > > KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! > > > > listen up spotty nerds! ain't that the truth! > > > > hey! > > i ain't got spots...... > > > > Jules Hey "ain't" isn't a word. Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: (NO-kw content) YO Adam Read Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:37:05 EDT your goods arrived...return package being shipped today...sorry to the list... tom w _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) "Kraftwerk" products Date: 25 Jun 1998 19:40:28 +0100 Does anybody have the venue + date for the Kraftwerk Concert Classics CD? -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 19:32:39 +0100 >Hey "ain't" isn't a word. oooo, aaarrr! it is where i do come from Jerry! (south west england) ;-) cheers matey, jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) Radio Activity Date: 01 Jul 1998 22:18:01 +0100 RE: KW did not intend (in my opinion) in 1975 to relate the composition Radio Aktivitaet to radioactivity but to radio activity. That's why the words in 75 were: Radio Aktivitaet Strahlt Wellen zum Empfangsgeraet (Radio Activity Beams waves to the receiver) You are right about the words. But of course the original German release of the album came with a page of stickers based on the radio activity warning sign. So I presume that the dual meaning was somewhere in their minds early on. -- Philip Spedding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Young" Subject: (kw) oh those Germans full of humor Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:38:13 -0700 >It's just a play on words with the English expression "home sweet home". I'm sure you know what an Ohm is (think analog synthesisers). As for psychedelic connotations, maybe you should ask MERSEYCHAM...My God! Kraftwerk made *another* joke! Shock! Horror! and who said Germans were humourless automatons! ;) Must've been someone French (no names). Ouch. >I phoned Svenska Dagbladet and talked with Anders Sundin, an editor at the same section as Johanna. He told me that Johanna Olofsson, who wrote the story, had read "in some musicpaper, don't know" that TWO of the members in Kraftwerk have AIDS.I'm working for Expressen, another Swedish newspaper, and Anders got the impression that I was going to follow up the story from Svenska Dagbladet. He didn't think that was a good idea. He said:"It was stupid to write that".So it's just gossip and the paper regret it. Great job, Gunnar. THAT'S what this list should be about--debunking and confirming rumors! Jeff Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: (kw) KW notes from Roskilde Date: 01 Jul 1998 23:55:17 +0100 I just have to say here what a fantastic recording the Numbers track from Tribal Gathering is! You can find it at http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html Especially since it was the opening track at Roskilde and boy was i floored by it. My position in the tent was right in front of the soundtower. Right behind me was the impressive soundboard where KW's "nerdy" looking soundman was situated. During the 119.5 minute show he looked as if it was strictly a routine matter. I remember when "Musique Non Stop" started to loop and eventually fade, he rose from his chair, took his papernotes and made a gesture to the regular soundman that it was set to slowly fade over a fixed period of time. I also noticed some tall darkhaired chick dancing in the closed area of the soundtower. They had two more screens at Roskilde, a total of 6. The two extra ones were situated on each side of the huge PA speakers and was at least twice the size of the other four. Massive visual impact. My ex-gf worked as a producer backstage so here's some trivia from Roskilde: 1) Two weeks before KW were to play at Roskilde all the meetings the ppl working backstage on the Green stage had were about KW. They brought their own sound and light man which is highly unusual at Roskilde. They needed a dressing room right next to the stage to change to the "grid-suits" during the show. 2) After the show the whole KW crew expressed that they were extremely happy about the place and facilities. 3) Usually the band get's a case of beers after the show but the fab four wanted red wine. They enjoyed it backstage and took off immediately after. 4) eMpTyVee Europe decided 20 minuttes before KW were to perform that they wanted to record the song "The Robots". They litterally begged the KW manager and the production crew backstag to get the permission. So paperwork had to be done FAST! They got a hold of a cameraman who was at Roskilde recording for a Danish music tv-show and got the permission to tape it. They are allowed to show it on MTV during the next 12 months. So everyone keep an eye out. Maybe even mailbomb the shitheads at MTV, claiming a time and date so that we get a chance to see it. -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) "Kraftwerk" products Date: 01 Jul 1998 18:54:50 EDT In a message dated 98-07-01 13:40:08 EDT, mar@markgenius1.demon.co.uk writes: << Does anybody have the venue + date for the Kraftwerk Concert Classics CD? >> Can anyone who has this tell how the sound quality is?? And yes, when where was it recorded...? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Mellotrons! Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:52:13 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Jerry Withers wrote: > > abzug wrote: > > > > KW don't take themselves nearly as seriously as their fans ! > > > listen up spotty nerds! ain't that the truth! > > hey! > > i ain't got spots...... > Hey "ain't" isn't a word. In that case, I _don't_have_ spots either. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 01 Jul 1998 19:56:12 EDT Sorry if I sound ignorant =96 but what is the source for Concert Classics= ? Where was it recorded? Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_(kw)_Kraftwerk_Concert_at_S=F3nar_in_MP3?= Date: 02 Jul 1998 04:16:38 +0200 At 11.01 01/07/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi > >you wrote: >> well, you basically need an audio card. if you don't have it, I am sure >I've got an audio card, what have I to do? well, your audio card will have a rca pin input. put there the output of a tape recorder. from then is better you ask for more expert advice because I don't have a sound card. but I am sure that in the docs of the card all would be explained sufficiently. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 02 Jul 1998 04:09:22 +0200 At 11.57 01/07/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi ! > >What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? it's a joke about the english phrase "home sweet home" (casa dolce casa in italian, in spanish will be similar) that in that bizarre language is pronounced more or less in the same way. ohm is the unity of measurement of the electrical resistance: you'll see it on technical spec for loudspeakers and headphones, usually 8 or 4 ohm. Ohm was the surname of a french or german physic, and other names, as Ampere, Farad, Volta, Watt, Henry etc. were used to name electrical and physical quantities. >I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish have I don't know about the arabic, but you'll surely know about the tibetan OM. another link between K and Tibet? :-) >some other kind of meaning... > >Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I think) mmmh... I really don't think so... and I don't see so much psychedelia in K... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? :-) Date: 02 Jul 1998 04:12:45 +0200 >But before, I didn't know why a Ohm can be sweet if it was the meaning of >resistance. well, without adequate resistance here and there electronical circuits could not work. the lacking of resistance is then bitter and ohms are then sweet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 01 Jul 1998 19:51:34 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, lbo wrote: > >What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? > > ohm is the unity of measurement of the electrical resistance: you'll see it > on technical spec for loudspeakers and headphones, usually 8 or 4 ohm. To be perfectly pedantic, when used on an inductive device such as a speaker, it is actually _impedance_ that is being measured in ohms, not resistance. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) the point for this tour? Date: 01 Jul 1998 11:06:15 +0200 >Any idea where I can get some stuff from this mystery band? Have they ever I'm afraid you'll have to wait they release an album. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: Re: (kw) "Kraftwerk" products Date: 02 Jul 1998 01:51:00 +0100 Ultravox5@aol.com wrote: <<<<>>>> >>Can anyone who has this tell how the sound quality is?? And yes, when where >>was it recorded...? Excellent quality. Go and buy a copy now. You will not be disappointed. I particulary enjoy the live percussion on Tanz Music . According to the late departed JBV, it's from Paris 1975 but I don't know the exact venue. Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm < now hosting Metropolis Live 1981 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=28kw=29_Kraftwerk_Concert_at_S=F3nar_in_?= Date: 02 Jul 1998 09:50:54 +0200 Get hold a program which can sample the whole thing (GoldWave or something) and a MP3-encoder (MP3 Producer Pro, MP3 enc V007a). Sample the show song by song at 44.1 kHz and convert them to MP3 with at least 128 kbps (44,1 kHz and stereo). You'll need lots of disk space (yesterday I sampled a part of the Liverpool -81 show. 13 minuter took 140 MB on disk, and the MP3 is 12.8 MB. The sampling took 13 minuter, but the convertion took several hous on my old Win 95-machine). /Joakim -----Original Message----- At 11.01 01/07/98 +0200, you wrote: >> well, you basically need an audio card. if you don't have it, I am sure well, your audio card will have a rca pin input. put there the output of a tape recorder. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) RoskildeSoundcheck-long report. Date: 02 Jul 1998 10:10:53 +0100 Some listmembers has asked me for a longer report on the soundcheck on Roskilde so here it is:, When we first arrived I felt like going into a religious temple, the huge big empty green tent with the Klingklang studio=20= as an altar up front=2E It was right after this I met Ralf, but that story I've already told=2E=20 The Wednesday soundcheck seemed mostly as a computercheck actually, they where syncronising the videoscreens, so that the pictures where all of the same size and color, playing mostly the programmed parts of the songs to check the midi files? (Florian wasn't there all wednesday, he was expected=20= to arrive on thursday the guy with the mini-disc told me)=2E As not so much wa= s going on for a while we took a walk, when we came back heading for the tent (a bit exited, hearing numbers being played) we where stopped by guards outside the tent - they didn't let any people exept their own staff in, the guard told me "sorry but they will be really pissed of if I let you in=2E But we stayed outside the tent anyway and I ran out on the campig to buy so= me red wine=2E They played Airwaves with the new ending, and my wife who heard it for the first time liked it a lot and I can tell you the smattering sounds bouncing in the big empty tent was a chill=2E=2E=2E During the soundcheck the video screens wasn't synced with the music, so yo= u could for example see the graphics of manmachine being shown during computerworld and sometimes they rewinded the graphics really fast, like a videotape, but you could see it was not, it was a clean rewind - from computer, you could also see checkboxes from the computer on the screens sometimes (couldn't see what OS it was though)=2E On thursday I wanted to go there again even though my wife said: "they did their soundcheck yesterday - they can't be that freaky" - but the were, thi= s day there where no guards, so you could step right into the tent - they whe= re playing manmachine and Florian had joined them on stage=2E Shortly after we arrived a lot of people was running into the tent, the sou= nd was pretty loud today, you could hear it all the way to the orange scene=2E Kraftwerk didn't seem fond of this so they pulled the curtains, no more visuals Grrrrrrr=2E I'm not so good at german so I really can't tell you what they said during the check, but when the curtains was pulled Ralf said "Good night" - very funny=2E=2E=2E There was a lot of joking going on, on the model for example Ralf sang real= ly exaggerated as in a musical and in german (it was in english on the concert= ) I once heard someone on stage calling for Wolfgang, but I think it was just the name of someone in the crew=2E I can also tell you that they do play a lot of the melodies live, they were jamming pretty much so you could tell what was programmed and what was not=2E I heard from another listmember that they did perform a couple of completel= y new songs during the soundcheck but I must have missed it, I was a bit late on thursday=2E Well thats about it, if you have any questions feel free to contact me=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Radio-Activity Date: 01 Jul 1998 20:32:59 +0000 At 7:01 pm +0100 30/6/98, David Davis wrote: > This includes the title track, "RADIOACTIVITY" (no hyphen), which has >referneces, for instance, to Marie Curie, one of the discoverors of the >phenomenon. > > The later changes to the lyrics were merely to make clear that >Kraftwerk [= "powerstation"] did not support badly managed nuclear >powerstations, such as Sellafield & Chernobyl. > > {My God, the care they take over their image, and some of their biggest >fans *still* completely miss the point! Poor Ralph...} "Stop Radioactivity" (apart from being silly if taken literally) surely expresses disapproval of all nuclear power plants, not just the 4 named in the reworked song?! Particularly given their condemnation of the effects of a power station which had not even _built_ yet, let alone _managed_ (viz. Sellafield 2). I don't think it's unfair to regard Kraftwerk's stance on nuclear matters as having become less equivocal since the first version of the song. At 7:30 pm +0100 30/6/98, David Davis wrote: > On the FAQ, I was reading about the "Vor dem Blauen Bock" // "Truckstop >Gondelero" naming question... > ...don't forget (as I pointed out on this list back in early 1996!) that >the track is fundamentally a live rewerking of "Stratovarius" Righto! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Concert Classics CD Date: 02 Jul 1998 19:27:14 +1000 All I finally got hold of a copy of the new 'Concert Classics' CD today. The cover and notes are strange. I am note really sure if it is a bootleg or a legit release. It is obviously not approved by Kraftwerk as the cover is pretty lame. But is does say licsenced from EMI Music Distribution. It is a recording from the 1975 US tour - but the cover does not say which show date or venue. Any ideas anyone? The sound quality is absolutely excellent stereo. Recorded from the soundboard. The only background noise is from the chorus or phaser they are using on one of the keyboards. The track list on the cover is wrong. The tracks are: Komentenmelodie 1 Autobahn Kling Klang Tanzmusik I don't know how they got the last two wrong as Ralf clearly announces the titles at the start of the songs. The unusual feature of the recording is the xylophone/vibrophone that is played all through Kometenmelodie, Tanzmusik and Kling Klang. Perhaps Karl Bartos playing? At times it gets very jazzy. The recording also features the 'choir' sound, discussed recently, during Autobahn, so I will have to revise my earlier statement about the introduction date of this instrument. There are lots of clearly audible chat between Ralf and Florian, during a drum machine breakdown, that perhaps one of our german list members could translate for us. This is definitely the best recording I have heard from 1975, and is probably in the top 5 best quality live recordings of Kraftwerk. Buy it. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Kometenmelodie live 1975/76 (Anfangstext) Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:06:09 +0200 A question to the German speaking members of the list. Eine Frage an die deutschsprachigen Mitglieder der Liste. Auf zwei Liveaufnahmen von 1975 und 1976 wird Kometenmelodie durch einen vocodierten Vierzeiler eingeleitet (einmal Glocken, einmal Kirchenorgel), bei dem ich leichte Verstaendnisschwierigkeiten habe. Fuer mich klingt das wie: "Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise. Und rudert gerne mir Gesang (?) Und ihre vorgeschriebene Reise Vollendet sie mit Donnergang (?)" Wie falsch (wie richtig) liege ich da ? On a liverecording from 1975/1976 Kometenmelodie is introduced by a little vocoded poem (Churchbells and Organ). I cannot really understand it. For me it sounds like: (see above) Am I right or wrong ? And once more: Does anybody know the exactly name of that gear, which creates that hoarse Synth-Voice on Radio-Activity (Radioland, Uranium, Radio Stars) Thank you Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotrons ! Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:06:08 +0200 On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:19:55 +0100 abzug wrote: > "ve have an expesnive vocoder that yodel´s so ve must use it..." Puttit ohl tugesser, senn it is kohlt "GNLPFTH" ! O deer ! Mie englisch is rearly bat. So sory ! ENIAC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) LA sow and AIDS rumor Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:50:39 +0100 i too went to the post gig LA party and the girl I was with spoke to florian for a while...he said we -or rather I -must be mad going to all the concerts.i'd be interested to know how long they stayed as i left at 2am...what was interesting was that they allowed one photo to be taken by an (obviously professional) photographer...but weren't allowing private photos it seemed.florian said they didnt normally go to these events..ralf was always surrounded ,henning only seemed happy communicating in german and fritz is delightfully shy...there was an interesting character called Wildman,a DJ,is he well known?-Couldn't glean anything on a new album[of course] chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cgc" Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.co.uk Date: 02 Jul 1998 14:54:18 MET it might be of interest: kraftwerk.co.uk Web server - Hostmaster - Primary name server - Secondary name servers sec1.dns.uk.psi.net raft.vmg.co.uk Serial number - Domain Name: KRAFTWERK.CO.UK Registered For: EMI International Domain Registered By: EMI Registered on 14-Jan-1998. Record last updated on 14-Jan-1998 by sarah.curd@emimusic.com. Domain servers listed in order: RAFT.VMG.CO.UK 195.152.11.10 SEC1.DNS.UK.PSI.NET 154.32.105.34 http://www.netnames.co.uk/ Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity the FluX of ideas the f l o w of notes... now and forever with pictures and words # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:55:58 +0100 fritz was asked about this album post NY and he replied simply "its a bootleg" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 02 Jul 1998 09:15:50 -0400 How can R&F *LIVE* without this sound in their lives anymore!?!?! yes, that's what I meant! original RA choirs are great, choirs in The Mix, well, are just not the real thing. anyway for me Radioactivity is the best Mixed track. what I can't really stand is what they did to Autobahn... Hell yes! They *destroyed* Autobahn on the Mix, I find it hard to believe they could have such a lapse of judgement!!! //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////\ And other similar comments: WHAT IF, (just a what if, here), Ralph and Florian were using the BEST technology of the time, on Radioactivity (etc.), but, didn't LOVE it. Maybe, (just maybe) they didn't LOVE the sound all those great (top of the line at the time, but old now) keyboards gave them? Maybe they were waiting for the day they could do something that sounded like "The Mix" and modern day Kraftwerk? I think we ALL have a tendency to "fall in love" with first heard versions of songs. Perhaps so much so that we fall in love with the equipment that they're played on. I know my guitar purchasing history is nothing but a trail of guitars that my current favorites played. Unless you're Brian Eno, though, (and even he does this more in theory than in practice) you're probably not into experimenting with a single instrument eternally. Perhaps "the boys" weren't of the mind to experiment with Vako Orchestrons, and ARP Odysseys for all time? Maybe they were interested in new equipment, maybe THEY prefer the new sounds. Which (could start a debate here, look out!) is my philosophy as a listener. I'm interested in hearing Kraftwerk. If they develop, change, mutate, and re-arrange, that's great. If they don't I guess I can deal with that as well, but, I think the idea of listening to an artist is to find out THEIR ideas - not to try to superimpose our own upon them, philosophically speaking. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KING Subject: (kw) ohm sweet ohm Date: 02 Jul 1998 08:22:18 -0500 (CDT) I am probably getting into this thread way too late to add anything of note, however, the very same phrase,( and please excuse my ignorance if this bit of information has been covered before or if this is what sparked the conversation in the first place), but the very same phrase was used in the lyrics of a song on the soundrtack to the 80's animated film "Rock and Rule" produced by Nelvana. Iggy pop, lou reed, Debbie Harry, Earth, Wind and Fire, were on the soundtrack as well as a few others. It was a totaly rad film with "Ohm town" being the protagonists' "home town". There is even a song performed by the hero called Ohm sweet Ohm. Great piece of Sci-Fi/rock/fantasy and very high quality animation even by today's standards. I think they just rereleased it if anyone is interested. Unfortunately, I payed $80.00 for it back in 1992 on special order. There are some pretty cool Krawtwerk style design things going on invarious parts of the film and it has a very cool futuristc feel to it. For those of you who know everything I am telling you now just ignore me. For those of you who don't, if you have not seen this film and if you like sci-fi/futuristic/animated films check it out. You won't be sorry. In my worthless opinion it is better than a lot of modern animation including most of the anime stuff coming out of Japan. I know this is a bit of a stretch for a Kraftwerk list, but then again so is a Physics lesson! -Bryce # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) the point for this tour? Date: 02 Jul 1998 12:00:32 +0200 Hi Jon > > It's a joke, little abzug, an amusing refernence to a band called > >Kraftwerk, and the lyrics of their song HomeComputer. > > Maybe you've heard of them? > > > oh, a joke was it? sorry Davey boy, it's just when people make jokes > there's usually some humour involved, you know :) If you don't see some humour involved on that joke, where you see humour? I think possibly nowhere. I don't expect that to make to split everybody sides laughing but only doing a little joke. I know this isn´t going to be fun, but... At any rate I don't want to justify me. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 11:00:45 EDT unusual for a bootleg to be openly available at your local HMV though, isn't it ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: (kw) god help me... Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:08:19 +0100 >> It's a joke, little abzug, an amusing refernence to a band called >> Kraftwerk, and the lyrics of their song HomeComputer. >> Maybe you've heard of them? > > oh, a joke was it? sorry Davey boy, it's just when people make > jokes there's usually some humour involved, you know :) > >If you don't see some humour involved on that joke, where you see >humour? I think possibly nowhere. pick up your dictionary, turn to S and find the word SARCASM. OK? better now? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:17:52 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > unusual for a bootleg to be openly available at your local HMV though, isn't > it ? This is a good point. However, I bought all my Germanofon CD's of Kraftwerk, NEU! and Harmonia in HMV and Virgin. I did think this was odd. I once asked a guy at the counter "but aren't these bootlegs?", and he looked at me patronisingly and said "No" But, surely, they *are*! DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:26:15 +0100 Chambo wrote: unusual for a bootleg to be openly available at your local HMV though, isn't it ? Nah not really Dude, KW, KW2, R&F and Tone Float can now be picked up from most HMVs, Virgins, Our Price etc and they're all boots. Rich ps for those that don't yet know Beggars have done a superb reissueing. remastering job of the Numeisters back catalogue. Check it out. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:34:50 +0100 even more unusual for an official album to have the wrong tracks listed...though not impossible [as my cassette version of TEE demonstrates] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Quinte-Eco Date: 02 Jul 1998 11:32:15 -0400 >Hi ! >What about the meaning of the topic - name of a song "Ohm sweet ohm" ? >I know that "ohm" is the meaning of one arabic letter, but in spanish have >some other kind of meaning... >Does the name of the song have a psichedelic connotation ? (like I think) >Can anybody confirm it ? >Thanx :-)))))))))) ====================================================================== >Juan Prieto - MuSiK >musik@cheerful.com An ohm is a measurement of resistance in electronic engineering.. a resistor (little tube shaped thingy with wires youll find poking out of each end) is colour coded to indicate its resistance rating in OHMs.. If you open up your computer or cell phone, you'll see a bunch of them.. pull a few out and see what happens!!! :) (yes, I took electronic engineering in college) Quinte-Eco Consultants Inc. P.O. Box 400 R.R. #7 Belleville, Ontario Canada K8N 4Z7 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eskil steenberg Subject: (kw) the 3 new songs Date: 02 Jul 1998 17:45:12 +0200 i guess all of you allready have the new songs, but just in case, you can find them at: www.obsession.se/kw_zkm_untitled1.mp3 www.obsession.se/kw_zkm_untitled2.mp3 www.obsession.se/kw_zkm_untitled2.mp3 www.obsession.se/tg97_newtrack.mp3 they are form tribal and on e of the 2 konserts in gramany they are mor or less identical with the versions played at roskilde. if you have som bootlig material pleas send me an email, becurse i have lots of server space. Eskil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 14:16:54 EDT In a message dated 98-07-02 11:22:08 EDT, you write: << Germanofon CD's of Kraftwerk >> Speaking of Germanofon CDs of Kraftwerk.. Today in the mail I recived "Ralf and Florian".. This is my first time hearing this CD, so it's quite cool and unusual! The collage inside is really neat-o, too... Anyway, pointelss email number 1,452 for the KW list! EJR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray D.O. Activity" Subject: (kw) Mir to be abandoned mid-1999 after 14 years of service Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:20:50 -0500 ["Spacelab" music playing in the background as you read this.] > MOSCOW, July 2 (AFP) - Russia's Mir space station will be > abandoned as scheduled in mid-1999 under a plan to destroy the craft > and have its debris fall into the Pacific Ocean, space officials > said here Thursday. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Electric Music @ Grenzwellen Date: 02 Jul 1998 15:10:57 EDT Hi! At http://www.ffnfuncity.de/gw/html/frames/magazin-interview.html you can read an interview with Karl Bartos. (Unfortunately it=B4s just in g e r m a n). Carsten Bolte. Kiel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halb wesen und halb (ueber)ding=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 02 Jul 1998 20:22:34 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > WHAT IF, (just a what if, here), Ralph and Florian were using the BEST > technology of the time, on Radioactivity (etc.), but, didn't LOVE it. > Maybe, (just maybe) they didn't LOVE the sound all those great (top of the > line at the time, but old now) keyboards gave them? Maybe they were > waiting for the day they could do something that sounded like "The Mix" and > modern day Kraftwerk? > > I think we ALL have a tendency to "fall in love" with first heard versions > of songs. Perhaps so much so that we fall in love with the equipment that > they're played on. I know my guitar purchasing history is nothing but a > trail of guitars that my current favorites played. Unless you're Brian Eno, > though, (and even he does this more in theory than in practice) you're > probably not into experimenting with a single instrument eternally. Perhaps > "the boys" weren't of the mind to experiment with Vako Orchestrons, and ARP > Odysseys for all time? Maybe they were interested in new equipment, maybe > THEY prefer the new sounds. > > Which (could start a debate here, look out!) is my philosophy as a > listener. I'm interested in hearing Kraftwerk. If they develop, change, > mutate, and re-arrange, that's great. If they don't I guess I can deal > with that as well, but, I think the idea of listening to an artist is to > find out THEIR ideas - not to try to superimpose our own upon them, > philosophically speaking. > Well, yes, let's discuss this more fully (I'm not directing this specifically at Fred- what do the rest of you think?) Firstly, I think there's a danger of somewhat sycophantic relativism regarding Kraftwerk's sound, a fear of making value judgements their music, old & new. This doesn't wash at all: I mean, liking Kraftwerk as opposed to some other artists (Rod Stewart, Steppenwolf, Abba) is a value judgement in itself: and you can't stop once you get to the inside. It's a simple enough question- do you like A more than B? Kraftwerk have to ask themselves such questions all the time: "Will we have it 5bpm quicker? Will we open the filter more on this sound? Will we use these words? This tune?" etc etc Having identified that you like something, you can then ask yourself *why* do you like it? And it not always easy to express coherently in words. We often see Kraftwerk praised for being at the "forefront of technology", but I think this is something of a misnomer. Because, Kraftwerk are not about *technology*, they are about *music*, and music is a cultural entity much wider than pure sound: it is a critique, if you like, of popular culture, it sweeps very wide. Think about it: Kraftwerk were never advanced about *technology* in a strict, absolute sense (this may surprise you, if you have not thought about this before): technology is in university electronics departments, in company research & development divisions, in patent offices. Kraftwerk may have been keen to use new devices, but Ralph Hutter is not Bob Moog. They may have made some simple home electronics (those drums are probably the closest they came to inventing something: but even they were basically just a switch-operated white noise generators...it's about as sophisticated as wiring up a battery to a torch bulb, really... making the bulb & the battery is the difficult bit!) What Kraftwerk excelled at is building an AESTHETIC around this stuff. Creating an image, devising a style, a form in music, to express these new things in a cultural context. They remain unsurpassed at this, in many people's eyes. You see, in 1974, fir instance, they were using a miniMoog to realise their cultural/musical evocation of a certain aesthetic, with all these elements- the suits, the hair, the autobahn, the minimalist new arrangements of electronic drums and bassline and simple chords... ...this gives the impression that this is *all* about the latest in technology (they succeeded so well in their image!) but it's not really so... I mean, the miniMoog was essentially just a slimmed down version of what Bob Moog invented in about 1964, a decade earlier, and they could be bought in the shops for a few years before that- lots of other bands used them... but they didn't use them with the style & taste that Kraftwerk did - that's the difference, nothing to do with technology, everything to do with music & aedthetics. So- fast forward to 1991 and the present. Look at the music & aesthetics now... they're still toying with the same image, but the musical (specifically the sonic) means they're employing is digital - and it DOESN'T SOUND AS GOOD!!!! That's my value judgement. It's shared by a great many. So- I hope you understand my point. Kraftwerk have never been good because they used the very latest in technology, firstly because they *didn't* really use the latest in technology, and secondly because technology in and of itself has no aesthetic value at all- the *artist* has to give it one. No- Kraftwerk were good because of the overall musical experience they created, and that musical experience is very much poorer when it is digital...because it doesn't SOUND as good. "Or something" DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:21:28 EDT In a message dated 7/2/98 7:59:45 PM, ded wrote: <> Well - *pop* music maybe. It's kind of like popular culture realized in the frequency domain. But I do believe that music can divorce itself from culture and be enjoyed abstractly - in other words - Pop music is music that utilizes various popular culture items - it *takes* from culture and transforms it into frequency. Other music, however, is realized without any sort of cultural context, and *gives* itself to the culture in a more pure form. Just some thoughts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg" Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 02 Jul 1998 14:11:36 -0700 >WHAT IF, (just a what if, here), Ralph and Florian were using the BEST >technology of the time, on Radioactivity (etc.), but, didn't LOVE it. >Maybe, (just maybe) they didn't LOVE the sound all those great (top of the >line at the time, but old now) keyboards gave them? Maybe they were >waiting for the day they could do something that sounded like "The Mix" and >modern day Kraftwerk? Most likely true--the old synths didn't offer much in range of sounds.. especially those tape machines (Mellotron, Orchestron, etc) and I figure KW shaped their around the sounds they could get out of the instruments, not the sounds they could imagine--a big difference. Was it a good idea to revisit all those songs again in The Mix? I can't say, but after hearing the The Mix, I know that KW has moved away from they're original styles into more dance oriented music--unless that's what they sought for in the first place--which would be a big argument in itself. Greg H. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jseifert@technologist.com (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) god help me... Date: 02 Jul 1998 21:23:08 GMT abzug wrote: > > >>> It's a joke, little abzug, an amusing refernence to a band called >>> Kraftwerk, and the lyrics of their song HomeComputer. >>> Maybe you've heard of them? >> >> oh, a joke was it? sorry Davey boy, it's just when people make >> jokes there's usually some humour involved, you know :) >> >>If you don't see some humour involved on that joke, where you see >>humour? I think possibly nowhere. > > >pick up your dictionary, turn to S and find the word SARCASM. OK? >better now? > dictionary? eh? what's one of them? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 22:27:47 +0200 At 13.55 02/07/98 +0100, you wrote: > >fritz was asked about this album post NY and he replied simply "its a >bootleg" if it's so old, more than 20 years for instance, then I guess copyright does not apply anymore. I saw an invasion of 70's live recordings... and maybe we already discussed this, but does somebody have a competent word on this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 02 Jul 1998 22:18:34 +0200 >To be perfectly pedantic, when used on an inductive device such as a >speaker, it is actually _impedance_ that is being measured in ohms, not >resistance. :) isn't impedance misured in henry? millihenry, usually? and what about a kraftwerk album on measurement units? not only electrical, but physical too... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 02 Jul 1998 17:17:35 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, lbo wrote: > >To be perfectly pedantic, when used on an inductive device such as a > >speaker, it is actually _impedance_ that is being measured in ohms, not > >resistance. :) > > isn't impedance misured in henry? millihenry, usually? No, that's inductance. Impedance is the "phantom" resistance that appears in coils when an alternating current (ie, sound) is applied. It also appears in capacitors (condensers or capacitators for you Europeans). Impedance is actually caused by the effect of inductors (coils) being reluctant to let a current start flowing, and capacitors choking off a current as they charge up. But for all intents and purposes it looks like a resistance that varies with frequency. Class dismissed. ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 02 Jul 1998 17:30:40 -0600 On Thu, Jul 02, 1998 at 10:27:47PM +0200, lbo wrote: > >fritz was asked about this album post NY and he replied simply "its a > >bootleg" > > if it's so old, more than 20 years for instance, then I guess copyright > does not apply anymore. I saw an invasion of 70's live recordings... and > maybe we already discussed this, but does somebody have a competent word on > this? Some countries (notably Italy) have looser copyright rules on live recordings. They're still bootlegs, though. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraft-Werk@webtv.net Subject: Re: (kw) Radio Activity Date: 02 Jul 1998 16:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Stickers.....How rare are the stickers from the radioactivity album.....I have two sheets of those stickers ( or stamps ) in great shape :-) ~spyder man~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) Translation Service (Re: Electric Music @ Grenzwellen) Date: 03 Jul 1998 11:19:20 +0900 At 2 Jul 1998 15:10:57 EDT, wrote: >Hi! >At > http://www.ffnfuncity.de/gw/html/frames/magazin-interview.html >you can read an interview with Karl Bartos. >(Unfortunately it's just in g e r m a n). Hallo, It can be off topic but it sure is helpful to have an automatic translation service in our hands. You can copy&paste the original text or type in the URL of original text, choose which language to which, and click [translate] to obtain the result. The result is not always the best & natural but we can understand most part of them. (well, except when "Kraftwerk" is converted into "power station" without exception ;D ) It supports language conversion between German-English, French-English, Italian-English, Spanish-English and Portuguese-English. BTW: Does anybody know of similar service which converts northern- European languages (Swedish, Norvegian, etc) into German or into Englisch, and from English/German into Swedish/Norvegian? It sure is a great help. :-) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi MURATA (NTT Software Labs./Musashino Tokyo Japan) (work) (private) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Radioactive Ray of Light? Date: 02 Jul 1998 21:29:00 -0700 In listening to Madonna's "Ray of Light"...I find "Sasha's Twilo Mix (10:58) rather Kraftwerkian. The beginning reminds me of something...huh?.....................Did I mix into "Radioactivity-The Mix" by robotic mistake? As always, Kraftwerk have their fingers in the cake mix bowl! Where's Sasha from? Denmark or Sweden? The Nordic Zound. The KRAFTWERK influence continues........... DJ FXC http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Ohm...Mein Gott! Date: 02 Jul 1998 21:47:13 -0700 Now listening to MADONNA'S RAY OF LIGHT REMIX BY WILLIAM ORBIT. "ORBIT'S ULTRA VIOLET MIX (6:39) Check out the KW intro. DJ FXC http:members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 02 Jul 1998 21:52:02 -0700 > David Davis wrote: > ... > and music is a cultural entity much wider than pure sound: it is a > critique, if you like, of popular culture, it sweeps very wide. ...And carries a big oscillator... > Think about it: Kraftwerk were never advanced about *technology* in a > strict, absolute sense (this may surprise you, if you have not thought > about this before): technology is in university electronics departments, > in company research & development divisions, in patent offices. Ooh, I like this idea! Technology is so imbued within our cultures and subcultures... Technological aristocracy and ingenious people keep it afloat with money and interest... Artists and philosophers set it's goals... Industry and military keep it dummied-down for easy consumption... And Kraftwerk musically interprets our relationship with it. Neat-o, dude. > So- I hope you understand my point. Kraftwerk have never been good because > they used the very latest in technology, firstly because they *didn't* > really use the latest in technology, and secondly because technology in > and of itself has no aesthetic value at all- the *artist* has to give it > one. Nonsense! Technology has aesthetic value up the butt. HAL 9000 vs. Dr. Theopolis in a kumate caged death-match smacks of true art whether I personally recognize it or not. I suppose that same value-logic could be attributed to someone who found you attractive for your base chemical combinations... Odd. > No- Kraftwerk were good because of the overall musical experience they > created, and that musical experience is very much poorer when it is > digital...because it doesn't SOUND as good. > > "Or something" > > DAVE ...I'm scared Dave. Stop, stop, will you stop, Dave? Will you stop, Dave? Stop, Dave. I'm afraid." "There you are like a throbbing star..." MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) Radioactive Ray of Light? Date: 03 Jul 1998 08:46:06 +0100 FRANK X: >Where's Sasha from? Denmark or Sweden? >The Nordic Zound. he's actually German I beleive. jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 03 Jul 1998 16:31:27 +0700 lbo wrote: > > >To be perfectly pedantic, when used on an inductive device such as a > >speaker, it is actually _impedance_ that is being measured in ohms, not > >resistance. :) > > isn't impedance misured in henry? millihenry, usually? > no, but imPUdence is measured in julseys and milijulseys Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Ohms and stuff Date: 03 Jul 1998 09:48:53 +0100 Jules said: no, but imPUdence is measured in julseys and milijulseys >>Actually Julian, a "milijulsey" is that wizened white thing in your pants. Enjoy your trip young man. Rich PS Bad news about Mir eh? I'm not gonna upset my kids with that bombshell! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 03 Jul 1998 04:47:23 EDT what about imPOtence... milliviagras / nanoviagras ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 12:13:12 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, lbo wrote: > if it's so old, more than 20 years for instance, then I guess copyright > does not apply anymore. I saw an invasion of 70's live recordings... and > maybe we already discussed this, but does somebody have a competent word on > this? No, copyright subsists on such material for a lot longer than 20 years; usually it's something like 50 years after the death of the author, and furthermore most countries have signed up to international treaties on this, so this doesn;t vary much from state to state. Note that it is usual for the artist to sign away their publishing copyright to a publishing company, and the copyright on any particular recording they make to their record company; however, these contracts will only last (usually) around 10 - 20 years, after which ownership reverts back to the artist themselves. So basically, no: things from the 1970s probably haven't even expired their artist-publisher contracts yet, and certainly not Ralf & Florian's ultimate copyright ownership, since they're not dead yet! DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 03 Jul 1998 12:14:30 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, lbo wrote: > isn't impedance misured in henry? millihenry, usually? No, that is INDUCTANCE. Impedance is measured in ohms. (but really, you could check this in a phyics textbook, not bore the list with it!) DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 03 Jul 1998 12:21:26 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, MC3P0 wrote: > DAVE WROTE: > > technology in and of itself has no aesthetic value at all- the > > *artist* has to give it one. > > Nonsense! Technology has aesthetic value up the butt. HAL 9000 vs. > Dr. Theopolis in a kumate caged death-match smacks of true art whether I > personally recognize it or not. I suppose that same value-logic could > be attributed to someone who found you attractive for your base chemical > combinations... Odd. DAVE: Eh? MC3P0 darling, there's no such thing as HAL 9000, it's just an *artistic* invention of Arthur C Clarke & Stanley Kubrick!! I rest my case... > ...I'm scared Dave. Stop, stop, will you stop, Dave? Will you stop, > Dave? Stop, Dave. I'm afraid." > Yes, I liked that bit in the film too! DAVE :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Vako Orchestrons & ARP Odysseys Date: 03 Jul 1998 05:24:14 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, David Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, MC3P0 wrote: > > > > Nonsense! Technology has aesthetic value up the butt. HAL 9000 vs. > > Dr. Theopolis in a kumate caged death-match smacks of true art whether I > MC3P0 darling, there's no such thing as HAL 9000, it's just an *artistic* > invention of Arthur C Clarke & Stanley Kubrick!! > I rest my case... Hey, HAL is every bit as real as Dr. Theopolis, and a fair bit cooler to boot! ;) Until KW does a song about the famous machines of science fiction... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Ohms and stuff Date: 03 Jul 1998 08:02:09 EDT On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:48:53 +0100 Richard Poolton said: >PS Bad news about Mir eh? I'm not gonna upset my kids with that >bombshell! Back several years ago when the ill-fated Skylab returned (and ended up in Oz as I recall), the place I worked at the time, we made a big banner for the front of the store. It had a target on it, and it said "WELCOME HOME SKYLAB" Well, I thought it was funny... Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 np: Devo - Space Junk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:32:43 +0100 LBO: > maybe we already discussed this, but does somebody have a competent word on > this? DAVE: >No, copyright subsists on such material for a lot longer than 20 years; Davey me old china, he asked for a *competent* opinion ;) x # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Pay tribute to Kraftwerk Date: 03 Jul 1998 13:47:55 +0200 Hello everybody I wrote: > P.S.: Anybody knows something about 2CD "Kraftwork" sampler released by Millenium Records? 2CD Kraftwork released by Millenium Records includes: Ars Lanson & Elektrolurch, DJ Solid, The Operator, Zzino vs Accelerator, Phon, Slick'n'Flash, Transits Of Tone, GF, Ultradyne, Scanner, Android, Interget, System UCS, A1 People, Luke Slater, Mat, Scarletron, Carbon Acemedy, Prozack & Scan x. There are another 2CD dedicated to KW titled "Krafty Move: An electronic tribute to KW" published by Energy Rekords that contains: Tragic Comedy "Autobahn", Leaether Strip "Showroom Dummies", Thee Hyphen "Showroom Dummies", Limbo "Trans Europe Express", Fadding Colours "Metal On Metal", Imminent Starvation "Tanzmusik", Axiome "Geiger Counter", Apoptygma Berzerk "Ohm Sweet Ohm", Trylok "Radioactivity", Fiction 8 "Radioactivity", Psyche "Antenna", Battery "Uranium", Data Bank A "Radioactivity", Index "The Model", XCR "The Man Machine", Mental Conquest "Spacelab", Nigra Nebula "Das Modell", P.O.D. "Die Roboter", Welle : Erdball "Der Telefon Anruf", Pierrepoint "Musik Non Stop", The Shining "The Telephone Call", Xingu Hill "Electric Cafe", Ionic Vision "Tour de France", Inertia "Tour de France, Cradle Of Spoil "Computerliebe", Black Wedding "Taschenrechner", Laura Effect "Computer Love", Laiboforcen "Numbers". DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) ohm sweet ohm Date: 03 Jul 1998 15:25:06 +0100 there was a band called ohm who covered the song in the manner of the balanescu quartet some time , i think , in the early 80s.i would love to track down a copy even though no one is really able to copy the masters[not even KW themselves,according to some of the opinions expressed about Autobahn] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Ohms and stuff Date: 03 Jul 1998 22:32:30 +0700 Richard Poolton wrote: > > >>Actually Julian, a "milijulsey" is that wizened white thing in your pants. Enjoy your trip young man. > no no no, that's a 'nanojulsey', and the only wise folks are those that do not approach it ;-) hey, when i get back from thailand, we're gonna have a uk kw'ers knees-up. Anyone else up for it? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abzug Subject: (kw) knees up mother brown Date: 03 Jul 1998 15:42:24 +0100 Jules: >hey, when i get back from thailand, we're gonna have a uk kw'ers >knees-up. Anyone else up for it? the question is, Julze, will you be buying the beer? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) knees up mother brown Date: 03 Jul 1998 22:46:00 +0700 abzug wrote: > > Jules: > >hey, when i get back from thailand, we're gonna have a uk kw'ers > >knees-up. Anyone else up for it? > > the question is, Julze, will you be buying the beer? :) > me? hehehehehe I'm well known for being first in the pub, last to the counter ;-).....tighter than a knat's chuff mate. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather" Date: 03 Jul 1998 10:59:08 EDT =93I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and ye= lling=0Alike the passengers in his car.=94 Who's sig file is this, and from where does it originate? Please e-mee off-list! Best, Harry Allen=0A # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 16:13:55 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, abzug wrote: > DAVE: > >No, copyright subsists on such material for a lot longer than 20 > years; > > > Davey me old china, he asked for a *competent* opinion ;) That's what a gave him, you little whippersnapper! Tsch, the cheek of some people these days... DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 23:18:44 +0700 David Davis wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, abzug wrote: > > DAVE: > > >No, copyright subsists on such material for a lot longer than 20 > > years; > > > > > > Davey me old china, he asked for a *competent* opinion ;) > > That's what a gave him, you little whippersnapper! > > Tsch, the cheek of some people these days... > > DAVE ;-) oo, it makes me blood boil...;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 16:36:26 +0100 Major grief people, I have just purchased the Concert Classics CD and decided that I couldn't wait until I got home, so I played it on my PC at work. To my absolute disgust it is not Kraftwerk at all, the case artwork and the CD itself is all printed with Kraftwerk pictures, but the recording on the CD is that of a crap remix of the old disco hit 'Hot Stuff' by what only can be described as yet another boy band! Maybe this is rare, but I tell you what it really is,.....a load of old shite! Back I go to HMV to change it. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Kometenmelodie live 1975/76 (Anfangstext) Date: 03 Jul 1998 18:12:36 +0200 > From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de > Subject: (kw) Kometenmelodie live 1975/76 (Anfangstext) > "Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise. > Und rudert gerne mir Gesang (?) > Und ihre vorgeschriebene Reise > Vollendet sie mit Donnergang (?)" This passage is from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's drama 'Faust I', Prologue in the Heavens. Archangel Raphael says: 'Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise In Brudersphaeren Wettgesang Und ihre vorgeschriebne Reise vollendet sie mit Donnergang'. This is about the path of the sun during the day and highlights the greatness of nature as made by god. I won't attempt a translation, but one can find a copy of the drama in most libraries around the world I'd presume. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) The unit for measuring s/n ratios Date: 03 Jul 1998 17:41:51 +0000 I have to say: there's an awful lot of whittering irrelevance on this list at present. Any chance the one-to-one banter could be done off-list? Yeah yeah, I could just use killfiles, but some of the time you chattering types do have some worthwhile things to say. ;-) TIA Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Leaving the list Date: 03 Jul 1998 20:04:44 +0200 Hi Friends ! I have to leave the KRAFTWERK email-list for a while. From Monday I´ll be gone to France for two weeks. But before saying good bye I´ll tell you a dream I had last night: I saw KRAFTWERK on TV performing a brand new song. It was wonderful. It had something of a waltz. Even Ralf was singing with a melodic voice. Wow ! Good Bye ! Guten Einkauf ! Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tomas Eriksson Subject: (kw) About the reworking of Radio Activity Date: 03 Jul 1998 20:28:44 +0200 Apropos the words added to RA on The Mix. Ralf sang the phrases "Stop radioactivity"/"Stoppt Radioaktivitaet" as well as "Strahlentod und Mutation durch die schnelle Kernfusion" in the '81 show in Belgium (Brussels?), recorded on the "Computers in Love" bootleg. So it seems that only the "Chainreaction and mutation..." bit was added in the ten years preceding The Mix... On the same boot there is a curious little vocoded spoken piece, between "Uranium" and "Ohm, sweet Ohm". Lyrics as follows: "Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne" rept. 5 times or so. Did they ever play that track again (previously or later)? The "Ohm, sweet Ohm" track, btw is beautifully improvised. Unfortunately someone decided to cut the song halfway. Should be prosecuted. Does somebody know if there exists a complete recording of that track? /Tomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dan k. williams" Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:49:04 +0100 David Davis wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > > unusual for a bootleg to be openly available at your local HMV though, isn't > > it ? > > This is a good point. > However, I bought all my Germanofon CD's of Kraftwerk, NEU! and Harmonia > in HMV and Virgin. > I did think this was odd. > I once asked a guy at the counter "but aren't these bootlegs?", and he > looked at me patronisingly and said "No" > But, surely, they *are*! > > DAVE > These are nothing more than officially sanctioned bootleg. Lots of record labels have been using that gimmick as of lately. The logic being -if u can't beat em join em- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) About the reworking of Radio Activity Date: 03 Jul 1998 20:57:10 +0200 Hi! Yes, I've got exact what you are describing, recorded at the same tour, but in Liverpool. I agree, the vocoder-parts and the improvisations in Ohm Sweet Ohm are wonderful. It's also fun to hear tracks like Numbers being played and sung completely live. I sampled this part a few days ago and the section is about 14 minutes long (mine is not cut...) OK, there's a few glitches and missed keys, but it gives a wonderful atmosphere! About cutting: Back in -81 or -82 I bought a bootleg with the speeded It's more fun to compute / Numbers-song on it. The last 2 minutes was missing, and boy was I glad when I found the complete song at http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html - many thanks to John T! /Joakim -----Original Message----- On the same boot there is a curious little vocoded spoken piece, between "Uranium" and "Ohm, sweet Ohm". Lyrics as follows: "Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne" rept. 5 times or so. Did they ever play that track again (previously or later)? The "Ohm, sweet Ohm" track, btw is beautifully improvised. Unfortunately someone decided to cut the song halfway. Should be prosecuted. Does somebody know if there exists a complete recording of that track? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 22:54:54 +0200 > No, copyright subsists on such material for a lot longer than 20 years; >usually it's something like 50 years after the death of the author, and are you sure that those rules apply to live recordings too? I mean, if I do a cover of Ruckzuck or if I print musical scores of it it's clear I have to pay rights to the owners of this song, but if I record a live performance of Ruckzuck? what about the copyright of the live performance of a song, not the song itself? are them not considered two separate things? and anyway, how can Emi market illegal product without actions being taken? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) concert classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 22:45:18 +0200 >They're still bootlegs, though. :-) well, maybe we should define exactly what we intend with bootleg... being not an english speaker I have take your words for good... so, do you confirm me that a bootleg is a cd or record of a live performance of a group recorded without adequate permissions and marketed in a more or less anonimous way to avoid legal revenges from the group or his legal representatives? so, maybe Kraftwerk could have complained that in '70something somebody taped them from the mixer, but now it's too late and Emi can market records of this performance. those records could have been bootlegs until say 20 years after the performance. expired 20 years they are not bootleg anymore! just live recordings... or legalised bootleg? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 03 Jul 1998 23:04:13 +0200 >CD itself is all printed with Kraftwerk pictures, but the recording on the >CD is that of a crap remix of the old disco hit 'Hot Stuff' by what only can hey, could they just have put the wrong cd under the wrong label printer and then in the wrong box? wait to throw it away, it could be a collector's item! maybe hundreds and hundreds of liras worth! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Temporary off from my PC Date: 03 Jul 1998 23:15:12 +0200 Hi! I'm leaving for France in a few hours. I won't unsubscribe - don't want to miss anything important. I'm just hoping for a slightly lower activity than last few week... /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhodri kasperbauer Subject: (kw) Chicago Review Date: 03 Jul 1998 16:51:52 -0700 (PDT) I'm finally going to put some comments down, will try and ensure that they don't repeat what's already been said. Having seen the band in 1981 (Bristol,England) where the concert had been initially postponed, having seen two London concerts in 1991, but also having the disappointment of the Toronto concert (cancelled) in 1991, I was a sceptic as to whether these dates would happen. Getting Detroit and Chicago tickets initially seemed tenuous, as the 48 hour delivery became weeks. Ironically, I found that a New York ticket could be printed out here in Toronto. Arriving in Chicago, I went to the local tourist information office, found a paper article and considered whether to take it. Decided to ask - was told that this weekend edition could not be removed. Staff member said she'd copy it, she did one hour later. What I felt was significant in the paper article was that Ralf had given an interview, given that for Tribal Gathering there had been zero press interviews. I wondered if this was due to ticket sales, or, the band feeling more relaxed away from home. My first thoughts upon arrival in the Riviera area was that the building was like the old small one-screen cinemas from England. Having a look round the area, it struck me as run-down, but had a community vibrancy. I went to have a look at the equipment, round the back of the theatre - took a picture of the flight cases in street and was promptly turned away. Strange sight, masses of cases inn the theatre's back alley. At this time there were some 10 fans at theatre front, later a scalper came by with no success. The security was very tight - I had a pen taken away - the (band)rule being cheap cameras thrown away, others band wanted film (presumably not trusting security, or, wanting for their own collections?). After we were frisked in our separate male/female lines it was time to be let in. If you were very lucky you could get to the bar, ask for a drink and the staff would presume it was for the band and therefore free. A very orderly collection of fans gathered at stage front, then to have the bizarre experience (to me at least) of having a waitress come and take our drinks orders. The pa stacks were on the (low)stage, with only a bar separating us from the band. Sound was brilliant, louder than London in 1991, clear and concise. Regarding the sound and the various debates re.live. It was far more live than 1991, this becoming clearer as the dates progressed. You just have to look carefully - for example, Ralf uses the swell pedasl alot when he is playing to accent performance. For example, the far-right pedal of Florian is used to add echo to vocoder tracks (ie- at end of lines in Radioactivity song). As for the other two boys, take a look at the Doepfer web pages for the Regelwerk, this gives some indication as to the parameters they are playing with. Airwaves really surprised me. At Detroint I had the feeling that it was Ralf's personal stand for live and individual performance- the others turned their backs, Ralf sings and plays, he strains for notes and the vocoder is fighting with him, it goes on and on. THis was also the first time that Ralf looked at the audience directly, when not checking on his playing. With subsequent concerts, I saw more of what the other band members were doing. Florian had a drink at this point (in Detroit), it's also the point at which Fritz changes video disks. There was some debate as to whether the 'song-that-follows Airwaves''s video accompaniment was disk or live. I thought here disk, but subsequent shows did not have the laser disk players running. Perhaps sound sent through an oscillascope...harkens back to first UK release cover! Earlier, Fritz at one stage must have made a major error - he looked really worried and looked at the other band members. Back to P.C., at times they knew that by pressing a switch it would trigger a certain sequence, at other times they did not. So, it was the melding of planned sequences and chance meetings. All in all a great concert. A sign of the times, that someone was recording the concert by mobile phone, computer welt indeed. The strangest sight of all was that Florian, one of our men in black, wears orange socks. Now on to Detroit, where I got to talk to Ralf and Florian _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The unit for measuring s/n ratios Date: 03 Jul 1998 19:06:25 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Kevin Busby wrote: > I have to say: there's an awful lot of whittering irrelevance on this list > at present. Any chance the one-to-one banter could be done off-list? I didn't realize it was one-to-one. > Yeah yeah, I could just use killfiles, but some of the time you chattering > types do have some worthwhile things to say. ;-) Can't mean me. You must be referring to Jules and lbo and Merseycham. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 04 Jul 1998 09:06:04 +0100 >>CD itself is all printed with Kraftwerk pictures, but the recording on the >>CD is that of a crap remix of the old disco hit 'Hot Stuff' by what only can > >hey, could they just have put the wrong cd under the wrong label printer >and then in the wrong box? wait to throw it away, it could be a >collector's item! maybe hundreds and hundreds of liras worth! :-) this happened to a friend of mine - I once recommended that he listen to Coil - he trotted of to Berwick St (Soho, London) and bought a CD copy of "love's secret domain" - a couple of days later he mentioned he'd bought it but didn't say much else, when pressed he said he didn't like it - I was surprised, I thought it would be just his thing. a few weeks later my partner and I were invited for dinner. after the food, the girls were getting down to some serious gossip so us boys started spinning tunes - I spotted the Coil CD, popped it into the player, selected a track and hit play. to my great amusement the music that came from the speakers was not Coil at all - it was rowdy German bierkeller music, over sixty five minutes of it! right box, right label, wrong disc. that weekend he took it back to selectadisc - they swapped it for the real thing without any bother - the shop assistant said that these mix-ups are not as uncommon as you might think and usually occurred at pressing plants that specialise in small runs where you have jobs for several clients to complete in a single days. my guess is that something similar lead to Craig's 'unique' purchase - it also leads me to believe that 'Concert Classics' *is* a bootleg despite what it might say on the label - bootleggers are wise to the fact many stores won't sell things that are obviously bootlegs and by adding an EMI logo, or whatever, can give an impression of legitimacy, particularly to a live recording such as this. jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) Chicago Review Date: 04 Jul 1998 09:22:32 +0100 rhondri: >A very orderly collection of fans gathered at stage front, then to >have the bizarre experience (to me at least) of having a waitress come >and take our drinks orders. Wow! Europe is so uncivillised... jon alsbury i want to die in my sleep like my grandfather ... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Re-introduction! Date: 04 Jul 1998 13:19:41 +0200 Yes, Hello! May or may not remember me, but I WAS on the list a while ago (been more than a year, actually), since then I’ve posted some messages now and then (apparently to the wrong address lately) and I’ve decided to jump in to the subscription again as downloading the archive file each day gets a bit tedious and expensive, especially at the end of the month (last month was 1.8. My god). So, here I am again, another resource, returning to the list. I’m not jbv, ("thank God" I hear some of you say :-) still, I hope I can be helpful at times. Anyway, great to be back, fellows. Let’s get on with it and DISCUSS. Yours truly Marcus Björn Marcus Fjellström (marcopop@hem.passagen.se) Der Telefon Anruf: +46 (0)951 77647 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Book Date: 04 Jul 1998 13:21:06 +0200 About books and stuff; I’m really looking forward to getting my hands on this new book, "From Düsseldorf to the future with love", whenever it’s out. And thinking of books, I got an Idea: What if, what if some of us on the list who has the knowledge, knowhows and writing capabilities (more or less) would sit down and actually write chapters of a new book on Kraftwerk? Do you share my vision: A book written by the Kraftwerk Mailinglist itself? I think that, over the years, this list has gathered tons of material which, if treated right, could and would make a smashing book. Not your standard biography (Bussy), but more a book of special aspects on Kraftwerk’s music and image, written by the enthusiasts themselves. Bit of it could be about pure Kraftwerk philosophy, maybe someone like David Davis or anyone could write about that, some people could write about the technology and the Kling Klang studio, and I, for one, would like to write about the pop art mentality of Kraftwerk, a large section that hasn’t gotten the exposure it deserves. You get the point? Why not, at least, try to develop this IDEA first, and see if we’re getting somewhere. Then, maybe, we can start see if we have potential writers and, most important, something to write ABOUT. Please give me your feedback on this! Maybe it's a daft idea, maybe not. Love Marcus Björn Marcus Fjellström (marcopop@hem.passagen.se) Der Telefon Anruf: +46 (0)951 77647 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Book Date: 04 Jul 1998 05:52:30 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, B. Marcus Fjellstr=F6m wrote: > Do you share my vision: A book written by the Kraftwerk Mailinglist itsel= f? That's an interesting idea. Although we could provide a lot of factual=20 detail about KW, I think the more interesting part of the book might be=20 about how different people interpret their music. Perhaps a collection of= =20 interviews with KW fans, with some of the usual pseudopschological=20 rambling about how their music speaks volumes to a wide variety of folks. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously=20 * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) P. S.: Bartos / Electronic / Information Society Date: 04 Jul 1998 14:08:09 +0000 I wrote: > Bartos discography since 1992: > 11) Information Society: "Love & Hate Inc." (production) Ouch! I'm not sure what was in my mind when I wrote the above, but the correct title of this album is of course "Peace & Love Inc."! :-) > 15) Electronic: "Until the End of Time" single (promo only) Is anybody here willing to make a copy of this promo single for me? Trade material is available. (Of course I would be also interested in obtaining an original, if somebody should have one for sale / trade). Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) away for two weeks Date: 04 Jul 1998 13:43:52 +0100 I'm going to Sweden for two weeks. I'll try to deal with mail promptly on my return. Thanks to everyone who gave me tips for record stores to check out in Stockholm. Kevin, you'll probably find the signal to noise ratio on the list improves somewhat over the next fortnight ;) jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) copyright law & bootlegs Date: 04 Jul 1998 14:48:01 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, lbo wrote: > are you sure that those rules apply to live recordings too? I mean, if I > do a cover of Ruckzuck or if I print musical scores of it it's clear I have > to pay rights to the owners of this song, but if I record a live > performance of Ruckzuck? > what about the copyright of the live performance of a song, not the song > itself? are them not considered two separate things? > and anyway, how can Emi market illegal product without actions being taken? OK, let me try and explain this a bit more. First of all, anyone can break the law, and, if it's only a civil offence, they will get away with it unless the injured party can afford/ be bothered to bring a lawsuit against them. Ralph & Florian may well simply be too busy drinking coffee & riding bicycles to waste their precious cash hiring laywers to prosceute the dozens of bootleggers out there. Secondly: yes, publishing copyright (ie the actual songs) and copyright (owning) of a recording are two different things. Publishing, as I said, is much more universal. If you write a song, you own the copyright on it, and you are entitled to a publishing royalty on it from sheet music sales, public performances, broadcasts, and commercially available recordings. (Most artists sell enter into a contract with a publishing company to administer this for them, which will be for a certain number of years, but ultimately the copyright belongs to the author, and does not become public domain until something like 50 years after their death). So, for example, if anyone plays a cover version of "Airwaves" in a pub, technically speaking, they owe Hutter/Schneider/Schult a royalty (generally this sort of thing is covered by the venue owner paying a music license fee, the money eventually getting back to publishing companies via public colleceting bodies like the PPL, BPI, etc) If a record is played on TV, radio, a jukebox, or an elevator, publishing money works its way back to the artist, likewise. And IF A BOOTLEG IS RELEASED OF A KRAFTWERK GIG, KRAFTWERK ARE ENTITLED TO PUBLISHING ROYALTIES SINCE THEIR SONGS ARE FEATURED ON THE RECORDINGS. IF THESE AREN'T PAID, THE LAW IS BEING BROKEN! Well, so much for publishing royalties- as you can see though, if you have *written* a song yourself, that's the best way to earn money from it, because if anyone else ever covers it, you still have to get paid- evn a Muzak version in an elevator! Now, copyright on any particular *recording*, either a live recording, or from a studio session, is a seperate thing. Basically, the copyright on the *recording* is generally owned by whoever paid for the recording to be made. Usually this is the record company. The artist, of course, has to give his PERMISSION for the recording to be made, and usually a condition of this permission is that he will receive a royalty on sales of the recording. Thus, artists usually have a contract with their record companies, which entitles them to (say) a 10% royalty on sales of a album of their recorded music. (This is in ADDITION to the pubishing royalty for the songs on the record; if the artist is smart, s(he)'ll have written the songs themselves, and get both royalties; if it's a cover version, then the publishing royalty goes off to the real author) Another example would be session or concerts recorded by a TV station (say, the BBC)- generally, they'll own these recordings, but again, there'll be a contract with the artist giving their consent, perhaps also detailing royalties if the recording are ever commercially released (as opposed to just broadcast, as the BBC does with it's "Peel Sessions") Now, you can probably see already what the situation with the bootleggers is: they haven't ASKED Kraftwerk's PERMISSION to MAKE THE RECORDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE, so they're pretty much illegal to begin with. OK? So bootlegs are illegal for (at least) two reasons: There are no publishing royalties being paid to the songwriters. There was no agreement with the performers about making the recording in the first place (it would be normal for performers to only give their consent if they received a royalty on sales of the recording). Usually the artwork on the sleeve will an infringement of the photographer who took the photo's copyright too! For this reason bootlegs are "bad", because they are making money for the bootlegger which should be going to the artist & songwriters. However, I doubt bootleggers ever really make very much money, they probably do it more for the interest in the music. Fans buy them for much the same reason. So if the bootleg is good audio quality, and it's only being bought by fans who have a deep love of the artists' music anyway, and the price is reasonable [it has to be said that some CD bootlegs sell for rather inflated prices, which can hardly be condoned], so that the bootlegger isn't really making a profit, just covering costs, then it's hardly the crime of the century. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: (kw) Bartos Discography Date: 04 Jul 1998 13:12:58 -0400 He did more than produce with Electronic He's the third member of same on "Raise The Pressure" as noted in the CD's liner notes.... Best of all, his presence is very noticeable, IMHO in a good way.... Jim J. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Klaus Zaepke > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 1998 10:08 AM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) P. S.: Bartos / Electronic / Information Society > > > I wrote: > > > Bartos discography since 1992: > > > > 15) Electronic: "Until the End of Time" single (promo only) > > Is anybody here willing to make a copy of this promo single for me? > Trade material is available. > (Of course I would be also interested in obtaining an original, if > somebody should have one for sale / trade). > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Autobahn Lyrics from Virtu Ex Machina Date: 04 Jul 1998 10:51:51 -0700 Virtu Ex Machina is really a great concert CD to get. The sound is great, the playing is tight, and it features a version of Autobahn with an extended improvisation. Here are the lyrics from that improv. Thanks to Klaus Zaepke for reviewing this and correcting errors. Klaus says these lyrics correspond to the tour dates from that tour. KRAFTWERK--AUTOBAHN, FROM VIRTU EX MACHINA, TOKYO 1981... IMPROV SECTION Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn... Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn... From Dusseldorf nach Rom auf der Autobahn. Von Rom nach Mailand auf der Autobahn. Von Mailand nach Florenz auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Von Nizza - Barcelona auf de Autobahn. Von Barcelona - Lyon auf der Autobahn. Von Lyon dann nach Zuerich auf der Autobahn. Von Zuerich - Bruessel auf der Autobahn. Von Brussel nach Hamburg auf der Autobahn. Von Hamburg nach Berlin auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren durch die Zone auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren nach Muenchen auf der Autobahn. Wir halten auch schon mal an der Raststaette an, und trinken einen Kaffee an der Autobahn. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Immer wieder immer wieder Autobahn. Von Wien nach Budapest, Autobahn. Von Budapest - Katowice Autobahn. Von Katowice - Wroczlaw auf der Autobahn. Von Wroczlaw nach Gdansk auf de Autobahn. Von Gdansk nach Warszawa - Autobahn. Von Warszawa nach Duesseldorf, Autobahn. Von Dusseldorf nach Zurich... Von Zurich nach Hong Kong, aeroplane. Von Hong Kong to Tokyo, AEROPLANE. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Immer wieder immer wieder Autobahn. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Vocoder) (Wir) Fahren auf der Autobahn. (repeat) Wir fahren fahren fahren... Autobahn... Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Low voice) Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Vocoder) Fahren auf der Autobahn. (Vocoder) Fahren auf der Autobahn. Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. (Vocoder) Fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: Re: (kw) Book Date: 04 Jul 1998 11:25:10 -0700 Thoughts on a Mailing List book: 1. We could include all of Aktivitats 1-10, updated and combined, in the book. Here is the site: Aktivitat http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm There are many good articles in the Aktivitats. A lot of this deals with discography, so any web pages with more information would be included. For example... Kraftwerk International Discography http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Introduction of Kraftwerk Unofficial Bootleg Discs http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html 2. It would be neat to get authorization to reprint a lot of press and fan coverage from Kraftwerk Online Library http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/kraftwer.htm Kraftwerk Today Press Archive http://www.gunnar.net/kt/ Kraftwerk Fan Tour Reviews http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html I would group this sequentially with tour and album information, so Kraftwerk over the years could be understood. 3. It could include the list of concert dates: Twingo's/Zaepke's List of Tourdates http://www.xs4all.nl/~twingo/kraftwerk/concertdates/concertdates.html 4. It would be neat if Emil Schult would paint a book cover for us. 5. It could include a CD ROM with all the same information. 6. It could be also set up on a web page. 7. It could be done as a series of books. This is a different idea, but I'll throw it in. I think it would be neat if we could print CD-case sized books for each Kraftwerk album. We would need Capitol, EMI and Warner Brothers permission? Each book could include relevant portions from all the above sources. Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Gunther, Klaus, Jose und Ian............. Date: 04 Jul 1998 15:13:13 -0700 In reviewing the discography...I could not locate: "The Remix EP--- "Don't Stop... Planet Rock" --- Afrika Bambaata & the Soulsonic Force "The Classic Mix" by Elektric Music 9:16 Remix produced and programmed by Karl Bartos and Lother Manteuffel for Elektric Music Productions. Mixed by Jon Caffery at Fairland Studios, Dusseldorf, Germany Elektric Music U.S. Management-Doreen D'Agostino-212.772.2050 Tommy Boy Records 1992 Could this be an entry for Karl Bartos? DJ FXC http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: Re: (kw) Ohm sweet ohm ? Date: 02 Jul 1998 19:59:44 -0400 On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:18:34 +0200 lbo writes: >isn't impedance misured in henry? millihenry, usually? Impedance and resistance are both measured in ohms. A henry is a unit of inductance. Bill Dobiesz N8TLC "Huggy Bear" n8tlc@juno.com FidoNet 1:120/650 ITCnet 85:871/851 LifestylesNet 66:1810/101 ICQ UIN 7298861 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 04 Jul 1998 15:10:04 +0200 >I once recommended that he listen to >Coil >after the food, the girls were do Coil fans have girlfriends? >it was rowdy German bierkeller music, over sixty five minutes >of it! and they never stop to drink? I was used to know that germans are heavy drinkers... >shop assistant said that these mix-ups are not as uncommon as you might mmmh... I wonder how many groups I could have dismissed for the wrong reason... :-) >also leads me to believe that 'Concert Classics' *is* a bootleg despite what >it might say on the label - bootleggers are wise to the fact many stores >won't sell things that are obviously bootlegs and by adding an EMI logo, or mmmh again... I don't think so... look, what happen you you're catched up doing/selling bootlegs? maybe a police officer confiscates all the bootleg and say "hey kid don't do it again, ok?". but what if you misuse a big company logo for not completely lawful aims? I think this could be a law violation about which the big company (and his staff of lawyers of course) would be a lot more angry than the making and selling of something that after all never incided negatively on sales. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Book Date: 04 Jul 1998 15:21:39 +0200 >Do you share my vision: A book written by the Kraftwerk Mailinglist itself? well, if you think about it, a "book" like this more or less already exist: it's the Kraftwerk web ring of home page devoted to Kraftwerk and, why not, the archives. (so next tour Florian could say "That Webring... you shouldn't bookmark it... it's shit..." :-))) ) >I think that, over the years, this list has gathered tons of material which, >if treated right, could and would make a smashing book. Not your standard >biography (Bussy), but more a book of special aspects on Kraftwerk’s music >and image, written by the enthusiasts themselves. m m m m mmmh (I don't use glue as toothpaste, I'm just meditative)... I think we could more easily master a cd with this material, and then a book... but what about the (c) of the material? and how will the loss and gains be reparted? anyway, nice idea, let's see what happen... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) copyright law & bootlegs Date: 05 Jul 1998 05:56:59 +0200 many thanks for your complete answer! > However, I doubt bootleggers ever really make very much money, they >probably do it more for the interest in the music. being near to people who produced two bootleg, I can confirm this. the best hopes were to cover expenses. I have to add that both works were made trying to respect high quality standard. the bootlegged group couldn't have received a better service, royalties apart... well they could if they let us connect to the mixer instead of sneaking recorders! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhodri kasperbauer Subject: (kw) Chicago Review Date: 03 Jul 1998 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) I'm finally going to put some comments down, will try and ensure that they don't repeat what's already been said. Having seen the band in 1981 (Bristol,England) where the concert had been initially postponed, having seen two London concerts in 1991, but also having the disappointment of the Toronto concert (cancelled) in 1991, I was a sceptic as to whether these dates would happen. Getting Detroit and Chicago tickets initially seemed tenuous, as the 48 hour delivery became weeks. Ironically, I found that a New York ticket could be printed out here in Toronto. Arriving in Chicago, I went to the local tourist information office, found a paper article and considered whether to take it. Decided to ask - was told that this weekend edition could not be removed. Staff member said she'd copy it, she did one hour later. What I felt was significant in the paper article was that Ralf had given an interview, given that for Tribal Gathering there had been zero press interviews. I wondered if this was due to ticket sales, or, the band feeling more relaxed away from home. My first thoughts upon arrival in the Riviera area was that the building was like the old small one-screen cinemas from England. Having a look round the area, it struck me as run-down, but had a community vibrancy. I went to have a look at the equipment, round the back of the theatre - took a picture of the flight cases in street and was promptly turned away. Strange sight, masses of cases inn the theatre's back alley. At this time there were some 10 fans at theatre front, later a scalper came by with no success. The security was very tight - I had a pen taken away - the (band)rule being cheap cameras thrown away, others band wanted film (presumably not trusting security, or, wanting for their own collections?). After we were frisked in our separate male/female lines it was time to be let in. If you were very lucky you could get to the bar, ask for a drink and the staff would presume it was for the band and therefore free. A very orderly collection of fans gathered at stage front, then to have the bizarre experience (to me at least) of having a waitress come and take our drinks orders. The pa stacks were on the (low)stage, with only a bar separating us from the band. Sound was brilliant, louder than London in 1991, clear and concise. Regarding the sound and the various debates re.live. It was far more live than 1991, this becoming clearer as the dates progressed. You just have to look carefully - for example, Ralf uses the swell pedasl alot when he is playing to accent performance. For example, the far-right pedal of Florian is used to add echo to vocoder tracks (ie- at end of lines in Radioactivity song). As for the other two boys, take a look at the Doepfer web pages for the Regelwerk, this gives some indication as to the parameters they are playing with. Airwaves really surprised me. At Detroint I had the feeling that it was Ralf's personal stand for live and individual performance- the others turned their backs, Ralf sings and plays, he strains for notes and the vocoder is fighting with him, it goes on and on. THis was also the first time that Ralf looked at the audience directly, when not checking on his playing. With subsequent concerts, I saw more of what the other band members were doing. Florian had a drink at this point (in Detroit), it's also the point at which Fritz changes video disks. There was some debate as to whether the 'song-that-follows Airwaves''s video accompaniment was disk or live. I thought here disk, but subsequent shows did not have the laser disk players running. Perhaps sound sent through an oscillascope...harkens back to first UK release cover! Earlier, Fritz at one stage must have made a major error - he looked really worried and looked at the other band members. Back to P.C., at times they knew that by pressing a switch it would trigger a certain sequence, at other times they did not. So, it was the melding of planned sequences and chance meetings. All in all a great concert. A sign of the times, that someone was recording the concert by mobile phone, computer welt indeed. The strangest sight of all was that Florian, one of our men in black, wears orange socks. Now on to Detroit, where I got to talk to Ralf and Florian
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The Active-K page at resonance underground has added the surperb version of Pocket Calculator from Tribal Gathering 1997. You can reach it here: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html NOTE: 'Computer Love 1990' has been removed. Ciao! -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) Neonlicht Date: 04 Jul 1998 23:29:17 -0700 Does anyone know if there's a live version of 'Neon Lights' out there anywhere on mp3? I love that song, and I bet they did some very long live versions of it. Maybe it's just my imagination. Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) discography, Bartos productions, stickers Date: 05 Jul 1998 13:16:25 +0200 > From: Fred Becker > Subject: Re: (kw) Book > > Thoughts on a Mailing List book: > > 1. We could include all of Aktivitats 1-10, updated and combined, in the > book. Here is the site: > > A lot of this deals with > discography, so any web pages with more information would be included. For > example... > > Kraftwerk International Discography > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3713/discogra.html Actually, I'd prefer the discography to remain un-printed. There's a simple reason for this: I'm updating it at least every 10 days, and a printed version would be out-of-date immediately, and worse, if a printed version would be around I wouldn't be able to correct mistakes. (I also can't speak for the other contributors - this is my opinion only) > DJ FXC > http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm > > In reviewing the discography...I could not locate: > > "The Remix EP--- "Don't Stop... Planet Rock" --- Afrika Bambaata & the > Soulsonic Force "The Classic Mix" by Elektric Music 9:16 > Remix produced and programmed by Karl Bartos and Lother Manteuffel for > Elektric Music Productions. Mixed by Jon Caffery at Fairland Studios, > Dusseldorf, Germany > > Could this be an entry for Karl Bartos? I have decided to leave productions and remixes out of the discography. Solo projects are o.k., but it's hard enough to follow up on these activities already. I have broken this rule twice, for the 'Die Dominas' EP, as there are so many rumours surrounding this release, and for the newer Electronic stuff. I simply don't feel competent to do a discography on Electronic. There are loads of promos and pressings for the Electronic stuff, but I don't have a clue in this field. I guess there are New Order/Electronic sites to fill this gap. Then, there was a question on Radiocativity LP's and stickers: - german or US, there are always 16 stickers to a complete set. - the US pressing of Radioactivity with stickers is quite rare and should always include an inner picture sleeve. My guess is that the stickers were deleted from this pressing quite early. - the german first pressing (cat. no. 1C 062...) should always have stickers and a thick paper picture inner. - the later german pressing (cat. no. 1C 064..., used by EMI from 1977 onwards) had the stickers, too. It came with a polylined picture inner. This was sold with stickers well into the 80's, but I have no idea when the pressing was stopped. The sticker on the front cover is not taken from the sheet - it's only complete with all 16 stickers intact. Bye, Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Regards # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sigurd Gulliksrud Subject: (kw) Pictures from Roskilde Date: 05 Jul 1998 16:29:51 +0200 (MET DST) There's two pictures from the Roskilde festival at http://www.rockphoto.dk/dktekst/thkraftw.htm Sigurd http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~sigurdgu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) El bueno de Cuttlas Date: 05 Jul 1998 20:46:28 +0200 Hi all, Two weeks ago a spanish cartoonist published in EL PAIS DE LAS TENTACIONES (a spanish magazine) a comic paying a cool tribute to Kraftwerk and all their fans. I put this comic in http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard I hope you like it! Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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As the editor/publisher/culprit (delete as applicable) for Aktivitaet fanzine in the years of it's activity (pun intended), I fe= lt the above quote was worthy of responding to, if only to at least shamelessly plug the imminent arrival of an Aktivitaet website of sorts. = By that I mean an Aktivitaet website as produced by myself - the present Aktivitaet Online site as adminstered by Jose' Garci'a Corral has been a labour of love from Jose' alone, adapting some web pages that were originally conceived some two years back but which I was unable to place online. My thanks go to Jose' for his time and efforts in placing this material online. The idea of combining the issues of Aktivitaet into a compendium of sorts= has been mooted before. What I would wish to point out is that Aktivitaet= was always an unoffical journal with no contact with Ralf nor Florian (th= e movers and shakers, so to speak). Relations with Karl Bartos and Wolfgang= Fluer were altogether better but interference on the line distorted the messages, in a manner of speaking - so they didn't get the original messa= ge from sender as was, to the fanzine (and more importantly) the reader's cost. = Therefore, there was no recourse to checking the truth, the whole truth a= nd nothing but the truth. (But does Ralf tell that anyway? - Discuss.) Botto= m line is that while there may or may not be 'many good articles' there sur= e are a lot of mistakes (some laughably so, unfortunately) in the past issu= es of the fanzine. Enthusiasm winning out over professionalism, y'might call= it... If all goes as planned, many of the articles from the past issues of the fanzine will make it into web format in enhanced mode - updated info and additional material, mistakes corrected, more images not previously published in the fanzine (jeez, if I was a record company I could flog th= is as a 5-CD 'limited edition' boxed set!). Some of the pages are online already, though many more are yet to be finished though business commitments over the next two weeks will scupper the progress of late, fo= r a while at least. The URL if you fancy a look is; http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/index.htm Be warned - some of the links don't work because the corresponding pages aren't online yet. But there are no cheesy 'site under construction' graphics, you'll be releived to learn, I'm sure. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: re: (kw) Book Date: 06 Jul 1998 00:28:33 +0200 Hello fellows! I've recieved good response from some people out there, and even some written work. It seemes like a popular idea, so let's keep on toying with it. I've written some spontaneous thoughts of the input I've had so far: - - - - - - - - - - - - - >1. We could include all of Aktivitats 1-10, updated and combined, in the >book. Yes we could. Although that would probably mean copyright problems, but sure, if we get past them, the sky's the limit. >2. It would be neat to get authorization to reprint a lot of press and fan >coverage This I've thought a lot of. There are many great live photos and as well some non-live pics out there on the net that would be great to stick in a book, but we'd probably have to pay royalties (or whatever) to the photographer, and chances are very small that the book actually would make us the money to buy these photos. >3. It could include the list of concert dates: Yes it could. >4. It would be neat if Emil Schult would paint a book cover for us. Neat, but probably expensive unless he'd do it for charity. Would he? >5. It could include a CD ROM with all the same information. >6. It could be also set up on a web page. Yes, more ideas here. And why not? >7. It could be done as a series of books. This is a different idea, but >I'll throw it in. I think it would be neat if we could print CD-case sized >books for each Kraftwerk album. We would need Capitol, EMI and Warner >Brothers permission? Each book could include relevant portions from all >the above sources. Well. We don't want to take water above our heads just yet, so for now, let's keep the grand visions aside for a while, shall we? :-) Though, it's defenitely not a bad idea. Just a whole other idea. >well, if you think about it, a "book" like this more or less already exist: >it's the Kraftwerk web ring of home page devoted to Kraftwerk and, why not, >the archives. Well, the info exists, not the book. I'm sure you get the idea of a published book instead of a web page plus multimegabytes of unsorted archive material. >but what about the (c) of the material? and how will the loss and gains be >reparted? My suggestion is, (and I risk sounding like a potential Ms Universe here,) whatever gains we would get should be donated to charity. This way we won't start fighting for money when we really should use our energy on making a good book for the people out there. And as for losses, I've avoided thinking about that. :-) >anyway, nice idea, let's see what happen... Yes, let's! Please people, more feedback, more input, more suggestions and ideas. Love Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Krenn Subject: RE: (kw) Radio Activity Date: 06 Jul 1998 02:24:41 +0200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Spedding [mailto:philip@spedders.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:18 PM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Radio Activity > > > > RE: > KW did not intend (in my opinion) in 1975 to relate the composition > Radio Aktivitaet to radioactivity but to radio activity. > That's why the > words in 75 were: > > Radio Aktivitaet > Strahlt Wellen zum Empfangsgeraet > > (Radio Activity > Beams waves to the receiver) > > You are right about the words. But of course the original German > release of the album came with a page of stickers based on the radio > activity warning sign. So I presume that the dual meaning > was somewhere > in their minds early on. Yes, but is the lyrics from -75 really AGAINST radioactivity? The tunes on the record is about RADIO and ENERGY/KRAFTWERKS! Maybe it was KW intention to put a statement in 1974 against radioactivity. But the interesting part is that they changed the lyrics in Radioactivity to, without ANY doubts, be a statement against radioactivity. This must be the ONLY tune where you really can tell what KW wanted to tell! //Robert Daltek Vision http://www.daltekvision.se Tel: +46 243 73504 ISDN 2*64k: +46 243 793255 Fax: +46 243 80832 ISDN 384K: +46 243 793265 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 05 Jul 1998 21:54:50 -0700 > Craig Land wrote: > CD is that of a crap remix of the old disco hit 'Hot Stuff' by what only can > be described as yet another boy band! Craig, Is the 'Boys From Brazil'? Falsetto? Not quite Jimmy Somervillesque? If you are interested in letting it go, well I might cough up if it's reasonable... MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: (kw) Roskilde show on MTV Date: 05 Aug 1998 08:04:41 +0200 Yesterday a friend of mine saw a short bit (ca 20 sec) from the Kraftwerk show at the Roskilde festival on MTV. Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 06 Jul 1998 10:29:25 +0200 On Saturday MTV showed about a minute from the Kraftwerk concert at Roskilde. It was during the German edition of the MTV News Weekend Edition. They only showed The Robots with no living person on stage :-) Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Lyrics from Virtu Ex Machina Date: 06 Jul 1998 04:32:46 EDT The Brussels 81 show also features such an improv, including a refernce to Liverpool which makes me very happy. But there's a cloud to every silver lining: Ralf takes it upon himself to mention a certain dump called Manchester in the same breath. No sensitivity those Germans ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) I Don't Believe It!!! Date: 06 Jul 1998 14:42:38 +0100 Further to my mail last week highlighting the problem with the copy of Concert Classics I purchased from HMV, I went back to the store today to exchange it and the remaining copy is the same,.....a miss-press! Now I have to wait 7-10 days for a replacement to be sourced from the distribution company, mind you, they did say that it could arrive sooner. Oh well, for those of you that have it, enjoy! Craig. PS. I was tempted by the latest Numan release, a limited edition four CD set of his Nman years recordings with all the b-sides. #33.49 maybe I should wait a bit! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) OT- Silver Apples UK dates Date: 04 Jul 1998 16:26:54 +0100 Silver Apples are on a UK tour right now, for those interested: >Jack from Enrapturesd has asked me to let everyone know about a small >Silver Apples/Alpha Stone tour. So here goes... >After their appearance at THE MELTDOWN on July 5th with Damon and Graham >from Blur, Silver Apples will start a short tour playing 7 gigs up and >down the country. >They will be supported at all of them by Alpha Stone (fronted by ex- >Spacemen 3 - Pete Bassman) plus extra support along the way from The >Alchemysts (*), L'augmentation(**), The Freed Unit (***) >9th July TJ's, Newport * >10th July The Priory, Taunton, Somerset * >13th July Arts Club Ballroom, Brighton (DJing by Disastronaut) >14th July Physio & Furkin, Leicester ** >15th July Night & Day Cafe, Manchester *** >17th July The Chillingham, Newcastle >18th July 13th Note Club, Glasgow (guests TBA) > >For further info and ticket prices please contact each venue directly. >Check national/local press or check out Silver Apples website >http://www.silverapples.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "andrew T" Subject: (kw) Linux Date: 06 Jul 1998 08:58:23 PDT For those of you who are smart enough to get Linux working (I'm not one of them, very frustrating little OS to set up) there is an awesome kraftwerk theme for the windowmaker window manager under X (www.windowmaker.org), under the newly updated themes page. For those of you running windows 95/3.x, mac or whatever you can see what it looks like in a large JPEG here, http://themes.org/themes/wm/WMShots/Kraftwerk.jpg, or a small JPEG here, http://themes.org/themes/wm/WMThumbs/Kraftwerk-mini.jpg . The author's e-mail address is jpgood@unm.edu and I'm sure he would be more than happy to give us win 95 (or mac et cetera) users the cool background he made. regards, 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 | | 3 andrew from ze computer welt, 3 0 www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang 0 3 3 | | 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 06 Jul 1998 21:03:21 -0700 Where is ROBOT? ROBOT has livened this list up so many times with her = intelligent and humorous mails. I've not read any recently though. ROBOT = are you there? I'm missing you. mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pena Schmidt Subject: (kw) calendar Date: 06 Jul 1998 17:22:28 -0700 alo this is pena, from Brasil can anyone confirm where Kraftwerk is playing next weeks? tks tchau pena # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RHC Subject: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 06 Jul 1998 22:44:38 +0100 Ladies and gentlemen Roskilde Festival, Denmark, 25th of June 1998 TRACK LISTING ------------- 1. Numbers / Computer World 2. Radio Activity 3. Trans Europe Express 4. Pocket Calculator 5. We Are The Robots 6. Unreleased track 7. Boing Boom Tschak / Musique Non Stop Sadly this is all there is. The microphone played a nasty trick on us so this is all we got. Roughly 60 minutes. App 83 Mb mp3. 192 kbps, 44.4 kHz, stereo. If someone here has space on a webserver for this, contact me either via email or ICQ (see below for UIN). This wont be sent out to individuals here and the ppl who recorded, mastered and encoded this boot cannot afford the bandwidth/traffic. So it's either all or nothing. I hope someone can do this cause believe me folks.......you wont be disappointed :) -Rene ICQ UIN 2193840 A Staff Member of Last Sigh Magazine For Underground Music http://www.waste.org/lastsigh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) calendar Date: 06 Jul 1998 22:06:20 -0700 Pena wrote: > can anyone confirm where Kraftwerk is playing next weeks? tks tchau pena< Can I kindly advise you to look this sort of information on the web, rather than posting this type of request to the mailing list. Regards, mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Florian's poem..... Date: 06 Jul 1998 18:49:33 EDT Is there someone out there that can give me a translation of the Vocoder poem??? Thanks....... maninglass # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "D. A. Nelson" Subject: (Off-Topic) Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 06 Jul 1998 16:15:04 -0700 **************** wrote: > Where is ROBOT? ROBOT has livened this list up so many times with her intelligent and humorous mails. I've not read any recently though. ROBOT are you there? I'm missing you. The last people to ask that got flamed unmercifully for being off-topic. She left the list after a bad tour experience and someone posting private email to the entire list. I have her new email address for those interested in saying hello. FWIW, I miss her too. --Dorothy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Privacy Turning Point? Date: 06 Jul 1998 21:50:36 -0700 It would seem that Kraftwerk was fairly open with the press until about 1992. They did press interviews for The Mix, but then went silent. Was there some incident that caused this? Was there a particularly wrong article published about them? Was it the Bussy book? Was it the reaction to The Mix? Perhaps the new Kraftwerk book will answer this question. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) 1998 Tour reports Updated Date: 07 Jul 1998 02:05:30 -0300 I just updated the 1998 Tour Reports page: http:/members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html well, european guys are less talkable than our american friends... and I'm still looking for photos of the gigs (and waiting for your authorization or not, Thomas). I'm interested in tapes of the gigs too. If someone would like to trade (I have a lot of material), please mail me privately. peace and tchau Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kristallo Flakes Date: 06 Jul 1998 22:32:04 -0700 Check out the great (politically kor-rect) Kraftwerk cereal at-- Tour De Kraft http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: (kw) Princess Di is wearing a new t-shirt Date: 07 Jul 1998 00:34:13 -0700 All, I was casually meandering through the Kraftwerk web page when two-and-two klicked... The new t-shirt that is not available yet has the mouse arrow and the K URL. It's entitled "internet" - perhaps this is not just what is on the shirt, but also the name of a song or album or whatnot. Perhaps... I hope it's multimedia. JarKos (from the new Jean Michel Jarre remix disc) looks pretty cool (a friend has mine mailed, expected any day now) and I can only wish that this turns into a much more common trend among musicians. Except for the obvious ones who would use their brown powers exclusivly for evil... like Hanson... or John Tesh... or Puff Daddy... or, gee there sure are a LOT of borderline, if not entirely disgusting musicians out in MTV-land. MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 07 Jul 1998 04:45:47 EDT who cares ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angel Berniz Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:02:51 +0200 > Ladies and gentlemen > > Roskilde Festival, Denmark, 25th of June 1998 > > TRACK LISTING > ------------- > > 1. Numbers / Computer World > 2. Radio Activity > 3. Trans Europe Express > 4. Pocket Calculator > 5. We Are The Robots > 6. Unreleased track > 7. Boing Boom Tschak / Musique Non Stop > If someone here has space on a webserver for this, contact me either via > email or ICQ (see below for UIN). This wont be sent out to individuals here > and the ppl who recorded, mastered and encoded this boot cannot afford the > bandwidth/traffic. So it's either all or nothing. > I hope someone can do this cause believe me folks.......you wont be > disappointed :) > Ok, it is on a hotline server. Just use the tracker mp3only.trencher.com and look for a site called TECHNO HUT. Regards - Zymba - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) calendar Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:31:06 +0200 >Pena wrote: >> can anyone confirm where Kraftwerk is playing next weeks? >tks >tchau >pena< > >Can I kindly advise you to look this sort of information on the web, rather than posting this type of request to the mailing list. > >Regards, > >mode.123 WHAT???? Look for the information in the web? And U can look for ROBOT by posting in the list ? This is KW infotrmation. Robot is not a KW band member. Look for her out of the list. Pena: I think there is no KW show in an early date. Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) The Kraftwerk Influence continues.... Date: 07 Jul 1998 07:22:50 -0700 1995 Yello "Tremendous Pain"-Remixes Fourth & Broadway These remixes ooze with KW samples.....Electric Cafe, ComputerWorld and The Robots. DJ FXC http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/nummern.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:35:33 +0200 Could anyone to correct me? Kraftwerk tour '98: june 3 Akasaka Blitz (Japan), june 7 San Francisco (USA), june 8 Los Angeles (USA), june 10 Chicago (USA), june 11 Detroit (USA), june 13 New York (USA), june 14 Washington (USA), june 18 Barcelona (Spain), june 25 Roskilde (Holland), october ? Royal Festival Hall (Machines Festival), London (UK) Book: "KW: From Düsseldorf to the future (with love)" edited by Ebury Press. According to Doepfer website it seems KW have assistanced to develop several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band uses the modular system A100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, master keyboards Sonderversionen and minikeyboards Donderanfertigung. All of them used during this tour. Am I right or am I wrong? P.S.: Any document on these matters? P.P.S.: I'll travel to Detroit, can anybody recommend me any record shop to buy KW items? For the spanish readers: num.17 Future Music appears an interview with Wolfgang Flür! And on the CD accompanying includes samples and bass loops, samples of solo and synthe, effects and atmospheres, voices, ... But no the complete song. http://www.ddnet.es/fmusic/ Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) KW info Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:59:43 +0100 look out, a KW fan asking for info from other KW fans...you'll upset mode.123!!The book is out soon,exploring KW's influence on other musics..and as for the proposed gigs in London, Iam hopefully close to solving this mystery via an insider..KW played Tokyo 3 consecutive nights...BTW, interesting debate about concert classics but back to what i originally said, Fritz explained it was a bootleg ergo it is a bootleg! It is naive to say the bootleggers do it for the love of the music not the money.if that was the case they would surely disseminate recordings via this list chris. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 07 Jul 1998 08:00:39 PDT >who cares ? > haha, did she send you a death threat letter too? She did to me but out of common decency I won't post it like other ppl. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) KW info Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:29:08 EDT On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:59:43 +0100 "Chris Raistrick" writes: > It is >naive to >say the bootleggers do it for the love of the music not the money.if >that >was the case they would surely disseminate recordings via this list > >chris. you must not read to well...i can't even remember how many times i've offered trades of the nyc show... tom w np: dub syndicate - strike the balance _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics CD Date: 07 Jul 1998 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) This CD finally showed up at a store here in Ann Arbor, Michigan, so it's definitely available in the US at last. The notes in the accompanying booklet are rather pathetic...nearly every sentence contains an error! But the CD itself is well worth owning. The sound quality is quite good...one of the best KW bootlegs I've heard. And it's interesting as a sampling of the early Kraftwerk "live" sound, back when they had to make do with acoustic instruments because they couldn't reproduce all of their effects on stage. The performance is solid and differs considerably from the "official" versions of the pieces. As others have reported, there's no indication of where or when it was recorded, but Ralf repeatedly addresses the audience in English, so it must have been either in the UK or the USA. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 07 Jul 1998 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) ---**************** wrote: > > > Where is ROBOT? ROBOT has livened this list up so many times with her intelligent and humorous mails. I've not read any recently though. ROBOT are you there? I'm missing you. > Over the years I have enjoyed ROBOTS postings alot, but after have seen some of her postings to other members of the list, she's at the moment very much into self pity. I'm sorry to say that it's a bad case of it. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:15:37 -0700 Hopefully obtaining counseling on obsessive/fan-atical behavior. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:47:51 PDT Jesus ROBOT, go look up sarcasm in the dictionary! >-(merseycham)- >>>who cares ? > >Obviously some people do care, whether you like it or not. > >-(andrewt)- >>haha, did she send you a death threat letter too? She did to me but >out of common decency I won't post it like other ppl.< > >"Decency"? What could you possibly know about decency? You talked to >me for 30 seconds at arfield, when I was understandably "hyper", and >you pretended to be friendly. You even sent 1 or 2 brief pleasant >emails after I got home. Then you suddenly started flaming me on the >list for no reason, along with a few others. > >Quit flaming me. It's not MY fault that people talk about me on the >list, pro or con. Both of you guys [if indeed you are 2 different >people] Yes, you can never be too paranoid robo, I'm almost 28 people on this list- you're the first to catch on good job! Jeez- nothing I have said has been at all serious, just trying to spice this up...I'm only on this list to see when a new album is comming out or tour dates and have some fun while doing it =P It's an E-MAILING LIST, not real life!! everyones on my kill file!! weeee =9) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hut hut Subject: (kw) re: address Date: 07 Jul 1998 10:53:07 -0700 (PDT) I am trying to locate the mailing address of the kling klang studio. does anyone here know any information? please email me privately for secure purposes. Thank you for your cooperation. huthut2@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:49:47 +0000 A few comments on what has been said about this supposedly official live CD. Sorry if all this has already been mentioned. - The CD only lasts 48 minutes - Tanzmusik is only a small fragment, being faded out - The quality is very very clear, excellent quality, not the sound of a bootleg. It's probably mastered from an "official" live tape -The artwork is very bad, not related to the contents - Ralf speaks in English to the audience, so it's possibly a recording from a US or UK concert. If it features the Vako Orchestron (I do hear the "choir" sounds), could then be from UK? My opinion is, it is a bootleg, or if you prefer, a non-authorized release, from an "official" live tape, perhaps the recording for a radio broadcast. Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Live KW show recordings on MiniDisc Date: 07 Jul 1998 23:03:33 EDT Well, I've finally made the plunge into the miracle known as MiniDiscs, and I was wondering if anyone could make me some MDs of the recent live shows (or others). Please e-mail me privately with the 411. I will pay postage. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "depeche" <_depeche_@email.msn.com> Subject: Fw: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:10:43 -0700 Any chance of getting this on a server that is possible to download from? Like a Regular FTP of HTTP link? Andrew _Depeche_@msn.com http://www.thegrid.net/jtworld/depeche/ ICQ# 11490225 ||Ok, it is on a hotline server. || ||Just use the tracker mp3only.trencher.com and look for a site called TECHNO |HUT. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics CD Date: 08 Jul 1998 05:32:12 EDT What I find most interesting is the technical breakdown interlude after Autobahn. I think Wolfgang is clearly hear d to be exasperated with the equipment and at one stage seems to declaim "Ich blick da nicht durch" (I don't understand [ what's wrong with it]) and someone (not Ralf) tells him to "re-wire" some components. But utterly facinating is a little monologue which Ralf delivers, part of which is close to a mic but away from it (in direction) and part of which is INTO the mic. He comments on the performance of Autobahn as "solide und gediegen" (solid and of quality). Does anyone think this is slightly odd ? It's probably just that without the visuals it's hard to work out WHO he's talking to (the band ? the audience ?). Anyway, it's a lovely little touch that seems to brim with humanity. You can clearly hear his PRIDE in having delivered a good rendition. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Radio Activity Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:49:58 +0200 I think that the only thing Kraftwerk tried with Radioactivity is to raise the discovery and the scientific and technical possibilities of the radioactivity and to unite them to a nostalgia towards the old radio. DER AUTOMAT ® ---------- > De: Robert Krenn > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Asunto: RE: (kw) Radio Activity > Fecha: lunes 6 de julio de 1998 4:59 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Philip Spedding [mailto:philip@spedders.demon.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:18 PM > > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > > Subject: (kw) Radio Activity > > > > > > > > RE: > > KW did not intend (in my opinion) in 1975 to relate the composition > > Radio Aktivitaet to radioactivity but to radio activity. > > That's why the > > words in 75 were: > > > > Radio Aktivitaet > > Strahlt Wellen zum Empfangsgeraet > > > > (Radio Activity > > Beams waves to the receiver) > > > > You are right about the words. But of course the original German > > release of the album came with a page of stickers based on the radio > > activity warning sign. So I presume that the dual meaning > > was somewhere > > in their minds early on. > > > Yes, but is the lyrics from -75 really AGAINST radioactivity? > > The tunes on the record is about RADIO and ENERGY/KRAFTWERKS! > > Maybe it was KW intention to put a statement in 1974 against > radioactivity. But the interesting part is that they changed the > lyrics in Radioactivity to, without ANY doubts, be a statement > against radioactivity. This must be the ONLY tune where you really > can tell what KW wanted to tell! > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco Pantani Subject: (kw) Tour de France Date: 08 Jul 1998 10:11:39 -0500 Last year I only finished 3rd behind Ullrich and Virenque. My secret to training for this year's TdF has been to listen to Kraftwerk's "Tour de France" in a continuous loop switching between various studio versions, live versions (Tribal Gathering, Duesseldorf Live) and other cover versions. It led me to victory in the Giro d'Italia win a few weeks ago. I also have been surfing this email list with my aerobar mounted PC while training. Florian has been a fan of mine and shaved his head like me to show his support for me to press on to victory in this year's TdF. (heavy breathing in 4/4 time:) Ahhhhh, Ahhhhh, Ahhhhh, Ahhhhh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Japanese Computer World? Date: 08 Jul 1998 10:45:40 -0500 I saw for sale online the Japanese version of Computerworld "incl. Bonus tracks - Dentaku and Tour De France". The track listing they post, though, doesn't inlcude TDF. And I can't find a listing for this release in the discography. What's the real deal with this? Does it in fact have TDF on it or would I be paying $30 for "Dentaku?" ---- Eric Oehler http://www.itis.com/~wonko wonko@itis.com Finger for PGP key By pressing down this special key, it plays a little melody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Japanese Computer World? Date: 08 Jul 1998 12:12:51 Eric Oehler wrote: >I saw for sale online the Japanese version of Computerworld "incl. Bonus >tracks - Dentaku and Tour De France". >The track listing they post, though, doesn't inlcude TDF. >And I can't find a listing for this release in the discography. > >What's the real deal with this? Does it in fact have TDF on it or would I >be paying $30 for "Dentaku?" Hi Eric. No, this release does NOT contain "Tour de France". It is simply the regular 7 track 'Computer World' LP in English with the bonus track 8 "Dentaku" (Japanese lyrics) added on at the end. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) KW article in Tower Pulse (US) Date: 08 Jul 1998 11:28:38 -0700 A short article about KWerk appears in the current (July, 1998) issue of Tower Records Pulse! (USA edition). On page 15 appears the following.... COMPUTERS WILL BE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE Touring Kraftwerk makes startling predictions! With an air of secrecy that wouldt make TAFKAP (the Artist Formerly Known As Prince) look chatty, reclusive electronic godfathers Kraftwerk have returned to live gigging across the U.S. - or so it appears at press time. The band - presently down to founding members Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider, not counting robot doppelgangers - hasn't played America in 17 years. With no new disc in sight and management faxes running wild, the only definitive commitment at this writing was a June 13 date at Manhattan's Hammerstein Ballroom and a Tibetan Freedom Fest appearance the same weekend in Washington D.C. Meanwhile, the group hasn't recorded an album of new material since 1986's Electric Cafe. And while Elektra has had an ostensibly new Techno Pop album on and off release sheets for the better part of a decade, even the robots aren't holding their breath. -A.D. Amorosi ....Please communicate any factual errors you find with the above with Tower Records at www.towerrecords.com, and not to yours truly. :) (my goodness, where do i start??-how about THE TOUR WAS ALREADY over BY THE TIME THE MAGAZINE HIT THE STANDS, YOU LUNKHEADS!!) (not you, dear reader, but the Pulse editors). -KJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments Date: 08 Jul 1998 21:50:06 +0200 Per favore, ] -----Original Message----- ] From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ] [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Andr=E9s Garc=ED= a ] Aparicio ] Sent: dinsdag 7 juli 1998 15:36 ] To: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com ] Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk tour instruments ] .... ] june 25 Roskilde (Holland), You must be jokin' Or are you from Barcelona (Denmark)? Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Subject: (kw) petition Date: 09 Jul 1998 00:07:15 +0200 Hi there !! Next week, 14th July the French channel M6 and Fuji-Tv in Japan will broadcast a live concert by the French composer Jean Michel Jarre, it will be in front of the Eiffel tower to close the World Cup France 98. I am very interested to get a video copy from this show, so if somebody can do a recording of the concert I will be very grateful, (I have some bootlegs from past Kraftwerk concerts) Thanks you very much, and excuse me , if this is a "little" off-topic Daniel. Spain # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Subject: (kw) Kraftwer & SPIN Date: 08 Jul 1998 18:50:29 -0700 I just bought the August issue of SPIN magazine.. why? Well because the cover says: KRAFTWERK: MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE BEATLES? Inside is what looks like a VERY nice article and it begins favorably with a GREAT full page full color photo circa 1974 and the following lead in: "WERK IN PROGRESS" "It's been 12 yeas since Kraftwerk's last album of all-new technopop, seven years since they toured. But now the "paralyzed giant" is stirring - the German band are playing their first American shows in nearly two decades and a new album is reputedly close to completion. Be excited, very excited." I am a slow typist so please run out and buy the issue for the rest!!!!! Kool isn't it? regards..... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 10:18:14 +0100 Just got this message from the Beach Boys Mailng List (and you thought you lot were sad!!) >>Don't forget Kraftwerk's "Autobahn" was directly influenced by Barbara Ann and Fun, Fun, Fun. Now I've heared this many, many times - but does anyone know whether it IS actually true or not? Oh and Julze, if you refer me to the archives I'll let the tyres down on yer bike! Rich PS Bought those Numan re-issues yet? WHY NOT! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 05:52:48 EDT no f**king way am I prepared to accept that as anything other than a retrospective bit of irony on the part of Ralf. It's clear that some stoopid bozo yankees (who believe theirs is the only language in the world - after WE gave it to them) can only relate something new to something they can already buy in K-Mart. Ralf & Florian are in fact the salvation of european humour in that they were able to TAKE THE PISS so freely. Thank you, Germany. BTW: Separated at Birth ?: Florian & Ralf Frasier & Niles Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harald-Rene Westphal Subject: (kw) Schneider and Sala Date: 09 Jul 1998 12:16:21 +0200 (CES) Yesterday, Oskar Sala (inventor of the "Mixturtrautonium") made an appearance at the ZKM in Karlsruhe (Kraftwerk played there last october). Florian Schneider was also there and opened the event with some words about Sala ("a real master and pioneer of electronic music"). Sala replied, that at the last time he was at the ZKM, they were listening to "the other master" (referring to Florian). -- Harald Westphal *** eMail: Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de *** WWW: http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Harald.Westphal/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 03:31:44 -0700 > MERSEYCHAM@aol.com wrote: > no f**king way am I prepared to accept that as anything other than a > retrospective bit of irony on the part of Ralf. Ooh, more toe-head irony to come in the next statement: > It's clear that some stoopid bozo yankees (who believe theirs is the only > language in the world - after WE gave it to them) can only relate something > new to something they can already buy in K-Mart. Very impressive... The K-Mart Stoopid Bozo Yankees making gutteral, uneducated sounds is most certainly believable, however by expressing that they have an actual "language" all their own is even more impressive. Oftentimes when I find my thoughts diverting to the relm of the K-Mart dwelling blue-footed Stoopid Bozo Yankee I feel so "in touch" with humanity and an ever-so-slight smile escapes my lips. They are usually quiet creatures, preferring the inner-city region known as Trailer Park where they engage in the practice of "white-trashing". Once in their home environment of K-Mart, more can be learned directly from them. The most I've personally heard from one of these beasts in public is "shut the fuck up you little fuck or you're waiting in the fucking car!" although they have been known to expout more upon prodding. Little else is really known, but I wouldn't go so far as to express that they have a linguistics theory of origin. Perhaps they are proof that with enough inbreeding, and environmental imitation you could fool even the most scrutinous eye of the Kraftwerk listie, such as yourself. I shall watch for tricks such as that when in contact with this splendid example of 5-alarm Americana, especially when near a blue-light special. > Ralf & Florian are in fact the salvation of european humour in that they were > able to TAKE THE PISS so freely. Those nutty Krouts! What a funky, fun and fabulous people! It's great that we have them, even among us, interracting almost as well as the K-Mart Stoopid Bozo Yankees. The main difference being that one takes piss. > Thank you, Germany. Yes, thanks to Germany, everyone! In fact, thanks to all of the nations. Even those who don't take piss, we thank you too. > BTW: Separated at Birth ?: > Florian & Ralf > Frasier & Niles > Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance ? Uhh, huh... !? They are all the same height. I think that was the requirement. MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider and Sala Date: 09 Jul 1998 03:54:24 -0700 > Harald-Rene Westphal wrote: > Yesterday, Oskar Sala (inventor of the "Mixturtrautonium") made an > appearance at the ZKM in Karlsruhe (Kraftwerk played there last october). > Florian Schneider was also there and opened the event with some words about > Sala ("a real master and pioneer of electronic music"). Sala replied, that > at the last time he was at the ZKM, they were listening to "the other > master" (referring to Florian). You know, as I learn more and more about the groups personalities from the concert goers I am able to really see that Florian is very "in-touch" whereas Ralph seems to be much less so. Extrovert vs. introvert, yin/yang, one takes piss, the other doesn't take as much (they both have to take some because they are German, right?) Even though they work together continually, they are very different individuals with diverse "interests". Florian has some of the giddiness that I would expect from a much younger individual - running backstage and bopping along with the music, clubbing and escorting highbrow individuals, soon to be the maturely demeanored "professor". Ralph is so damned moody most instances that I've heard of contact with him. His detached attitude towards fans and photographers allows him a great veil of the perpetually unknown. A ghost almost, twiddling knobs like a good host. MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Tone Float to Trade Date: 09 Jul 1998 15:26:57 +0200 Hi, I've got "Tone Float" by Organisation on tape to trade, anybody is interested in it? Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 14:32:04 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Richard Poolton wrote: > >>Don't forget Kraftwerk's "Autobahn" was directly influenced by Barbara Ann > and Fun, Fun, Fun. No, this is just journalists being cretins. They think the Beach Boys were "electronic pioneers" because there is a theremin on "Good Vibrations"... then when they heard "Autobahn" in 1974/75, being at a loss to compare it to anything else, and failing to understand that Kraftwerk were singing in German, they thought the lyrics went "fun fun fun ...", like a Beach Boys song, and obviously, Kraftwerk were electronic, so these cretinous journalists put these threads together and started writing that Kraftwerk were copying the Beach Boys. Talk about dumb!! Having said that, apparently Ralf & Florian did like all those old 60's Beach Boys records (quote from Pascal Bussy's book)... but only a fool with an utterly superficial understanding of the musical substance & cultural setting of both pieces of music could proclaim that Kraftwerk were "directly influenced" by the Beach Boys. > PS Bought those Numan re-issues yet? WHY NOT! Cos I got them the first time round! :) DAVE :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Talley Subject: (kw) Guiding Ray Date: 09 Jul 1998 06:42:56 -0700 Interesting notes in the Yamo sleeve... Mr. Flur's credits: guiding ray (space journey to funny faces from foreign towns) 'give the world a guiding ray' is the most autobiographic song that I have recorded with my friends. I had been looking for a new 'guiding ray' in my own life for so many years and also for new stories that could expand my experiences. in curiousity i met many motivated people. I lived and worked with them and found out that we are all together on the same journey through the universe. and who doesn't like to travel, meet living beings and look around? Feels like he's referring to Kraftwerk in a non-kiss'n'tell fashion... MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on MTV Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:19:26 +0200 (DFT) > On Saturday MTV showed about a minute from the Kraftwerk concert at > Roskilde. It was during the German edition of the MTV News Weekend > Edition. They only showed The Robots with no living person on stage :-) Has anyone taped this? ;-) Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:17:01 +0200 (DFT) > but only a fool with an utterly superficial understanding of the > musical substance & cultural setting of both pieces of music could > proclaim that Kraftwerk were "directly influenced" by the Beach Boys. Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he confirmed a certain Beach Boys influence in a recent radio interview. :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:07:22 EDT >Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he confirmed a certain Beach Boys influence in a recent radio interview. :-)< No. I think he has a highly developed sense of irony. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:18:29 +0200 (DFT) > >Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial > understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he > confirmed a certain Beach Boys influence in a recent radio interview. :-)< > > No. I think he has a highly developed sense of irony. Which elements in the context of his statement gave you the impression that it could have been irony? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:28:41 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial > understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he > confirmed a certain Beach Boys influence in a recent radio interview. :-) Well, you said it, Klaus... ;-) And I seem to remember "Autobahn" being credited to Hutter/Schneider/Schult, not Wolfgang Flur... pedantically yours DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:36:42 +0200 (DFT) > > Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial > > understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he > > confirmed a certain Beach Boys influence in a recent radio interview. :-) > > And I seem to remember "Autobahn" being credited to > Hutter/Schneider/Schult, not Wolfgang Flur... AFAIR, Wolfgang Fluer spoke about the Beach Boys' influence on Ralf Huetter in this interview. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:16:53 +0100 Pedantic DAVE said: >And I seem to remember "Autobahn" being credited to >Hutter/Schneider/Schult, not Wolfgang Flur... "I seem to remember............" my arse! You looked it up you little fibber!! Rich :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 12:30:31 EDT Autobahn has mythical status, not only amongst listerati. If you make music you can't help but be influenced by pretty much all that has gone before. So yes... in their uniquely pre-post-modernish sort of way, KW were undoubtedly 'influenced' by the Beach Boys. It seems clear to me that this contextualistaion is only created afterwards, and by journos and americans. Not by the rest of us. I suppose if I was a martian and heard Autobahn, I might say "Oh, that sounds just like 'Thargs like Teen Spirit' by the Pangalactic Gargleblasters !". And if I then went to KW in an interview and said this they would nod their heads in perfect unison and say "Ja, das ist unser Lieblingslied". And I bet they'd have a smile on their faces and a little twinkle in their eyes. Cosmically, everything is related. But come on, WHERE is the link between Autobahn and fun,fun,fun ? Is it in the soaring harmonies (of which there are none in Autobahn, only a reedy, thin vocal track), is it in the performer's penchant for surfing and wholesome Californian babes (of which there are none in Autobahn, only a reference to driving down a motorway), etc., etc. Kraftwerk (& ex members) are the greatest living comedians. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:45:09 +0100 why do these things have to get personal...aren't we all fans? i have just spoken to wolfgang and he tells me yes, they did listen to the beach boys in the old days...and, to quote him: "The Americans had the idea we made a joke[with Autobahn] but it was just the word "fahren" spoken quickly.." hope this clears things up. chris ". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: > why do these things have to get personal...aren't we all fans? > i have just spoken to wolfgang and he tells me yes, they did listen to the > beach boys in the old days...and, to quote him: > "The Americans had the idea we made a joke[with Autobahn] but it was just > the word "fahren" spoken quickly.." > hope this clears things up. That's funny, as surely Wolfgang would know that they're actually saying "fah'n," which is the German abbreviation for "fahren" (and this is how it's written in the lyrics on the back of the LP)? ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: (kw) new releases?? Date: 09 Jul 1998 10:03:57 PDT Are there a bunch of newly released digatally remastered KW albums available in germany..or is this site a piece of crud (www.cdworld.com). It says (along with the new release of autobahn) there is a new release of computerwelt, themix, trans-europe xpress, & all of their normall albums. Are KW and Numan doing the same thing here or is this company just behind? Example: COMPUTERWELT . . + + NEW RELEASE + + . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: GER IMPORT Category: Pop PINN #12197 List: $44.97 . Buy CD: $36.77 . . In Stock 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 | |/ _ , , , , . | 3 |\ |_||\/| |\/| | e 303 3 0 0 3 Andrew from ze computer welt, 3 | www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang | 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 19:11:58 +0100 well,i can only tell you what he told me chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: (kw) Follow up on new albums Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:35:23 PDT There is another album called: BEST OF . . by . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: JAP IMPORT Streetdate: June 30, 1998 Category: Pop List: $45.97 Purchase: $37.77 . At the same site (www.cdworld.com), At first I thought this was one of the previous best of albums..but they are not from japan, nor were they released June 30th of this year. It is also listed at www.cdnow.com as: Kraftwerk Best Of JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE RELEASE. Genre Pop Origin JAP This is an import title. EMI M12193 Can anyone tell me what the track listing is, or is this a re-release (...jap computer world release) of a previous best of album>? Here are the other "new release"'s at www.cdworld.com: COMPUTERWELT . . + + NEW RELEASE + + . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: GER IMPORT Category: Pop PINN #12197 List: $44.97 . Buy CD: $36.77 . . In Stock CONCERT CLASSICS . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: ENG IMPORT Category: Pop RANCH #56874 . . Streetdate: March 9, 1998 List: $20.97 . Buy CD: $16.77 . . In Stock MIX (IN GERMAN) . . + + NEW RELEASE + + . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: GER IMPORT Category: Pop VIRGI #12203 . . Streetdate: June 30, 1998 List: $44.97 . Buy CD: $36.77 . . In Stock RADIO-AKTIVITAT . . + + NEW RELEASE + + . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: GER IMPORT Category: Pop RER #12202 List: $44.97 . Buy CD: $36.77 . . In Stock TRANS EUROPA EXPRESS . . + + NEW RELEASE + + . . KRAFTWERK ORIGIN: GER IMPORT Category: Pop VIRGI #12204 List: $45.97 . Buy CD: $37.77 . . In Stock Klaus, I know you must know :P 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 | |/ _ , , , , . | 3 |\ |_||\/| |\/| | e 303 3 0 0 3 Andrew from ze computer welt, 3 | www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang | 303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303-303 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 21:07:26 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: > i have just spoken to wolfgang and he tells me yes, they did listen to the > beach boys in the old days...and, to quote him: > "The Americans had the idea we made a joke[with Autobahn] but it was just > the word "fahren" spoken quickly.." > hope this clears things up. Yes, this is exactly the way I heard it. On a BBC Radio 1 documentary on Kraftwerk a few years (1995?) I recall one of the band, in rather clumsy English, saying that *American journalists thought* "it would be an idiom [sic] to the Beach Boys 'fun fun fun'" So is this clear now? It was a silly misunderstanding by American journalists. There is no musical similarity between "Autobahn" and any Beach Boys song whatever, other than "fun fun fun" sounding *slightly* like "fahren fahren fahren". DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Sonar 98 Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:32:33 +0000 Some first hand info regarding Sonar 98 from Tomas Fernando Flores, who has a radio programme on Radio 3 and who was there at Sonar. 1.- Nothing was oficially recorded from the kw show 2.- No interview was given 3.- Only TV was allowed to film, and that only during Man Machine. Jose Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) stop radioactivity Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:32:33 +0000 As there has been discussion about the lyrics to Radioactivity, I will mention that these had already been changed for their tour in 81: "stop radioactivity..." Jose Garcia Aktivitaet Spain: aktivitat@arrakis.es Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) stickers Date: 09 Jul 1998 22:32:34 +0000 > - - the german first pressing (cat. no. 1C 062...) should always have > stickers and a thick paper picture inner. > > - - the later german pressing (cat. no. 1C 064..., used by EMI from 1977 > onwards) had the stickers, too. It came with a polylined picture inner. This > was sold with stickers well into the 80's, but I have no idea when the > pressing was stopped. The sticker on the front cover is not taken from the > sheet - it's only complete with all 16 stickers intact. There is also another pressing: cat. no. 1C 062-82 087 Thin inner sleeve, not polylined. With stickers, also found without stickers And yet another: same cat. no. as above, no picture inner, Radio-Akt. sticker and Horzu sticker on front cover. EMI ELECTROLA insert with a bird drawing and text "German Rock Paradise", and a list of german bands; on the other side it has pics of LP covers and cat. nos. of these bands. (triumvirat, kraftwerk, can, tanned leather, jail, eloy, gebrueder engel, sweet smoke). For KW, it only shows radio-aktivitaet LP. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 23:05:08 -0700 Klaus wrote:- > > Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial > > understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he Klause another perl of your wisdom. Wolfgang Fleur is a fool! That's why R & F ejected him from Krafterk. Didn't that occur to you?????? mode.123 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) new releases?? Date: 09 Jul 1998 23:22:48 -0700 Andrew wrote: >Are there a bunch of newly released digatally remastered KW albums available in germany..or is this site a piece of crud (www.cdworld.com). It says (along with the new release of autobahn) there is a new release of computerwelt, themix, trans-europe xpress, & all of their normall albums. Are KW and Numan doing the same thing here or is this company just behind?< who cares mate? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Chris Raistrick wrote: > "The Americans had the idea we made a joke[with Autobahn] but it was just > the word "fahren" spoken quickly.." Now that's funny. I always heard it as "fond". So what does "fahren" mean? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics. Date: 09 Jul 1998 19:05:35 Well, I just picked up my copy today, so here's my .02 on it. As many of you already mentioned, the sound quality is excellent. All in all I think this is a worthwhile recording to own in any KW collection, capturing some magical KW moments of live improvisation and experimentation centering around familiar themes ("Kometenmelodie", "Tanzmusik", etc.) By the way, what exactly is the 3rd track meant to be a live version of? Now on to the issue of whether or not this is a bootleg. There are many things about the packaging which at first glance would lead you to believe that it is indeed a bootleg, apart from the fact that Fritz said it was. For one thing, the front cover reads "featuring Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider, Klaus Roeder, and Wolfgang Flur" right underneath the photo from the back cover of 'Computerwelt', which of course features Karl in the line-up. Furthermore, the disc itself features the black & white cover photo from the 'Trans Europa Express' LP, naturally with Karl included. The track listing on the back cover as well as several of the inside liner notes are incorrect too. However, supposing that this is a bootleg, it's the only bootleg I've ever seen that actually gives a snail mail and web address for the company that distributes it right on the back cover: "Copyright 1998 Concert Classics, a division of RME, Inc. P.O. Box 681786 Franklin, TN 37068-1786 website... http://skymarshall.com/renaissance" Furthermore, it credits: "Kraftwerk and EMI Music Distribution, licensed by Listen Up, Inc., Professional Division. All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws." So, whether this is a bootleg or not, I cannot answer with any certainty, but if it *is* a bootleg, it's sure as hell more convincing than most of the others I own. While not throughly accurate, at least the liner notes inside the sleeve are fairly extensive compared to most other KW boots which often don't even bother to include inner sleeve text at all. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 10 Jul 1998 04:57:52 EDT >That's funny, as surely Wolfgang would know that they're actually saying "fah'n," which is the German abbreviation for "fahren" (and this is how it's written in the lyrics on the back of the LP)?.< The word is "fahr'n" and is not a word per se, but rather a contraction of "fahren". I think only a poet would write it with the apostrophe in order to make it fit into pentameters or some such straitjacket, much as Shakespeare did with "o'er" (which is "over"). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 09 Jul 1998 16:23:19 +0200 Hello everybody! Bootlegs are not another thing that recordings noncommercialized by the record label of the artist, puttings in circulation by fans for fans, or clever by half which they look for to make business. One says that some artists (and I suspect that also they make the record companies) the percentage corresponding to the rights of author generated by bootlegs was entered to them religiously. It is even rumored that in some occasions they are the own musicians who pass (secretly) the material to the manufacturers. A question that receives certain weight when in the hands of the client records fall that immaculately reproduce lost songs after days of confinement in a recording studio; or concerts gathered with a DAT from the very same table of mixtures. I am in agreement with lbo, EMI can market records of the KW performances. Even there is KW bootlegs in which appears the phrase "under Kling Klang licence". But, inevitably, the industry persecutes this type of recordings. In countries as the United States or England has become public sentences (with jail pains even) for bootleggers and dealers. In Barcelona, during the last editing of the Fira of the Disc de Coleccionisme —one of most important of the world with respect to record consumption and to which they go selling of all parts of the globe— they were seized near 10,000 compact discs of this type. Another question is why of a band like Kraftwerk, whose show it is not characterized indeed by the improvisation, there are so many bootlegs. On the other hand, it is unusual that stores of great name does not have experts who distinguish legal products of the illegal ones. Changing of topic, somebody knows something of the double CD " Dynamo Deutchland "? Where, when it was recorded, what songs includes,etc.? Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 10 Jul 1998 16:29:49 +0200 (DFT) The following is an excerpt from an interview with Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider, Rock & Folk 118 (11/1976), translated and sent to this list by JBV in September 1997: [...] Q : Is it because you need to feel closed to the audience that you choosed the world of rock music and that you mention the Beach Boys as your reference ? A : Yes, in their songs they managed to concentrate a maximum of fundamental ideas. In 100 years from now, when people will want to know what California was like in the 60s, they only had to listen a single by the Beach Boys. Q : So, in the same way, when people will want to know about Europe in 1976, they'll listen to Kraftwerk ? A : Yes, I hope so. If our communication system works really fine... [...] Q : Did you go to some concerts during your trip in the States ? Did you see the Beach Boys live ? A : Yes, we have seen them in a big stadium. It was gorgeous, like a rebirth. There's a wonderful and very poignant song in their last album, once in my life. I'd like to dare to say once in my life what Brian Wilson says in that song... Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put onto records. A (Florian) : When we reached California and Hollywood, we were able to say : yes, it's exactly like that, like in the songs of the Beach Boys. Q : And would you like people to say the same thing about your music and Europe, and especially Germany ? A : That's exactly what Bowie told us : when he came to see us in Dusseldorf in his Mercedes, he took the highway while listening to "Autobahn" on the car stereo. He said : it's exactly like that, everything is in your tune. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 10 Jul 1998 10:40:31 EDT >Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put onto records.< do you really think they're being serious ? Or are you just being pedantic ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Talbert Subject: (kw) Active-K Update - More TG '97 MP3s Date: 10 Jul 1998 06:59:08 -0400 Active-K at resonance underground has been updated. "Trans-Europe Express" and "The Robots" have been added. "Radioactivity" will be available also in about one hour. "Numbers" and "Pocket Calc" are still available. So now the entire broadcast is available in one place in MP3. These will be available for about one week or so. Active-K: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/activek.html The ZKM files have been removed. Regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Olsson" Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Bootlegger Address Date: 10 Jul 1998 09:16:52 CDT Hi all! Ok. This is tooooooo unlikely :) Being stuck in the anti-Kraftwerk armpit of the western Hemisphere known as Nashville, Tennessee, I about had a conniption this morning when I read the following post from "Scott M. Barnhill" on the subject of the "Concert Classics" CD and it possibly being a bootleg: Scott wrote: >supposing that this is a bootleg, it's the only bootleg I've ever seen that actually gives a snail mail and web address for the company that distributes it right on the back cover: "Copyright 1998 Concert Classics, a division of RME, Inc. P.O. Box 681786 Franklin, TN 37068-1786 website... http://skymarshall.com/renaissance" ----> WOW! Would you beleive it!!! That place (Franklin, TN) is about a 15 minute drive from my apartment. I go there every weekend. By gully' I'm gonna see if I can find an address and stop by there to harass those poor souls and pop a couple ofd questions. Anyone wanting to know anything in particular :) Sincerely, Martin Olsson Btw, Doesn't it sound like Madonna sampled "Airwaves" in her "Ray of Light" song ???? Hmmm, maybe it's just me :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) discuss this! Date: 04 Jul 1998 15:20:16 +0100 So now they have played Roskilde, the robots go back into retirement, the Kling Klang studio quietens down, and all that will be left of Kraftwerk for another few months is the red blipping light of the security camera in a factory doorway in Dusseldorf.. now why doesn't somebody take the heavily bootlegged remixes of Electric Cafe, plug on the TDF 12" + Musique Non Stop 12" , liberate the Technopop artwork from the press adverts, and do a CDR of what we could've had? Tour De France 12" francois kervorkian mix, Technopop demo, Telephone Call 12" remix, Sex Object demo, Electric Cafe remix, Musique Non Stop 12" mix, BONUS TRACKS: Sellafield 2 speech, Radioactivity hardcore mix, Robotnik 12" mix, + new live stuff from Linz 16-10-97.... -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 10 Jul 1998 19:21:17 +0200 (DFT) > >Q : Where does your passion for the Beach Boys come from ? > > A : The intelligence of their thoughts regarding american reality put > onto records. > > do you really think they're being serious ? Yes, since it makes sense. The intelligence of the Beach Boys' thoughts regarding American reality can be compared to the intelligence of Kraftwerk's thoughts regarding German reality, which could be seen as further indication for a Beach Boys influence on Kraftwerk, in addition to the beachboyesque harmonies used on parts of the "Autobahn" album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Newsletter MCT (fwd) Date: 10 Jul 1998 19:38:29 +0200 (DFT) From the MCT Newsletter: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Here are the NEWS from MCT: [...] - Kraftwerk returned from a sold out Japanese and US tour, with a sold out show at the SONAR Festival in Barcelona and a stunning performance at this years Roskilde Festival in Denmark. More shows probably in October in Brasil. Details tba soon. The Concert Companies MCT Konzertagentur GmbH Berlin Germany Tel. + 49-30-53 63 82 00 Fax. + 49-30-53 63 82 22 Web Site: www.tickets.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) Brian Wilson... Date: 10 Jul 1998 14:17:56 -0400 Actually, Brian Wilson did some work with Moog in the 60's. The post "Pet Sounds" album "Smile" ( about 1967) was originally concieved as a suite of songs (or pieces) on the four elements. Brian requested that Moog devise a way to trigger tapes that could be altered by keyboard...he wanted the sounds of fire, water, etc... Simple, perhaps, but no less so than wanting a choir, or to be able to sample any sound. It's the seed of that trend, one might argue. ...does that ring a bell? See, people tend to think Beach Boys, and "fun, fun, fun". Very few people take the time to listen to the complexity of some of the early Beach Boy's recordings, and arrangements...although most people will concede that "Pet Sounds" is a bit of a rock milestone, all the material (or certain key songs) up to that point are traceable progressions TO that point. To simply ASSUME that Ralf and Florian could not have been HEAVILY influenced (i'm not saying they were or weren't), is perhaps a wrong assumption. Brian Eno states that early american rock and roll and do-wop were formative influences in his music, (and he sites the Beach Boys and other "pop" bands as well). Now, in listening to say "Music For Airports" you'd be hard pressed to hear any connection what so ever. That does not mean that it doesn't exist. True artists can and often do transform their influences, or blend them, to the point where they are unidentifyable to all but the composer. Also, certain aspects of music may be more pronounced to some people. It's quite possilbe, (again, just a guess) that Brian's signature echo or sounds were productional influences on Kraftwerk? Could be. Brian's studio work is pretty amazing. See, they don't have to BE a surf band to be influenced by one. We're all too used to bands saying "I was influenced by Kraftwerk, so I started a band, and I called it "Kraftwelt"....well, no kidding? Sometimes influence isn't that obvious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) Madonna/Airwaves Date: 10 Jul 1998 12:23:20 -0700 -Btw, Doesn't it sound like Madonna sampled "Airwaves" in her "Ray of >Light" song ???? Hmmm, maybe it's just me :-) > I thought the same....but Madonna didn't sample it....William Orbit did. Listen to it some more...and you'll find more Kraftwerk nuggets. DJ FXC http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/nummern.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RobbY Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:41:55 +0200 (MET DST) Just a late information: Tonight there's an exlusive showing of Kraftwerk's performance in Roskilde at MTV Europe. 2300 - 0100 CET (partyzone). Robby. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ RoBeRt EnGeLhArDt . WiEsBaDeN (GERMANY) . enger000@mail.uni-mainz.de \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Madonna/Airwaves Date: 10 Jul 1998 19:44:11 +0100 listen to madonna?oh no.... BTW, to whoever said it, wolfgang was not, of course "thrown out"-hardly a kraftwerkian thing to do,anyway-by R und F. in fact , they wanted him to stay. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:53:28 +0200 At 20:41 10-07-98 +0200, you wrote: >Just a late information: > >Tonight there's an exlusive showing of Kraftwerk's performance in Roskilde >at MTV Europe. 2300 - 0100 CET (partyzone). Hmmm... My TV program tells "RUN DMC special." -- Christian Reupke christian@reupke.dk ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 10 Jul 1998 21:41:51 +0200 MTV Teletext says 0.00 to 2.00 CET (including Kraftwerk on Roskilde, among much! more) ] >Tonight there's an exlusive showing of Kraftwerk's performance ] in Roskilde ] >at MTV Europe. 2300 - 0100 CET (partyzone). ] ] Hmmm... My TV program tells "RUN DMC special." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Bogacz" Subject: (kw) I need KW photos Date: 10 Jul 1998 22:45:56 +0200 I'm currently writing Kraftwerk story for polish techno scene magazine = "Techno Party". The problem is that I can't find photos big enough to = give it to the press. Any format: jpg, gif or anything else. If you can prompt me anything on that cause I would be very grateful.=20 Do anybody knows about Kraftwerk concerts in Poland about 1981? Thanks for any help! Marcin marcik@polbox.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjostrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 10 Jul 1998 23:55:12 +0200 Erik Barth wrote: > > MTV Teletext says 0.00 to 2.00 CET (including Kraftwerk on Roskilde, among > much! more) > That`s MTV Nordic, not Europe. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 11 Jul 1998 00:29:36 +0000 On 10 Jul 98 at 23:55, mars.sjostrand@stockholm.mail wrote: > That`s MTV Nordic, not Europe. > Damned! Somebody that taped it in Sweden ? Im willing to buy a copy! \ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 or come.to/kockensbbs \ Member 224 Svenska Atariklubben SAK \ Proud member of APS and JCU!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Follow up on new albums Date: 11 Jul 1998 08:44:30 +1000 Andrew T [K_303] wrote: > Here are the other "new release"'s at www.cdworld.com: > COMPUTERWELT . . > MIX (IN GERMAN) . . > RADIO-AKTIVITAT . . > TRANS EUROPA EXPRESS . . When I was in Tokyo for the recent shows advertisments announced that there were going to be 'special' re-releases of these CD's as well as 'Electric Cafe', all with 'extra' tracks. They were released the day before the shows and were even sold at an EMI stand inside the Akasaka Blitz hall. Except they were exactly the same as the standard japanese released CD's - no differences at all - apart from the japanese extra inserts and lyric sheets. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 11 Jul 1998 01:33:33 +0200 I've just watched and taped it. It was just 1 minute of KW playing "The Robots" on Roskilde. After that Moby & company made fun of the KW live performances. Bleh! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) The Kraftwerk Influence continues..... Date: 10 Jul 1998 17:41:11 -0700 Has anyone seen the Phillips (USA) commercial for the DVD/CD player. It shows a bald man (hint-hint) holding a compact player ( a la pocket calculator). The background whizzes by with bytes 010101010101!!! Go figure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Kock" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 11 Jul 1998 13:43:15 +0000 On 11 Jul 98 at 1:33, Fer wrote: > I've just watched and taped it. It was just 1 minute of KW playing > "The Robots" on Roskilde. :-( > After that Moby & company made fun of the > KW live performances. Bleh! :-((( If Kraftwerk never had existed, Moby shouldnt be where he is today. So i dont know why he is making fun of Kraftwerk :-( \ J.Kock - SysOp on Kockens BBS +4646250256 - Atari ONLY! \ kock@kockens.pp.se - JKock@nest.demon.co.uk - kock@geocities.com \ kock@hempseed.com - kock@myself.com - atarisysop@usa.net \ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-12411 or come.to/kockensbbs \ Member 224 Svenska Atariklubben SAK \ Proud member of APS and JCU!! ICQ:1295365 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fer" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 11 Jul 1998 14:21:18 +0200 > After that Moby & company made fun of the > KW live performances. Bleh! > :-((( If Kraftwerk never had existed, Moby shouldnt be where he is > today. So i dont know why he is making fun of Kraftwerk :-( Yeah, well, Moby said he LOVED KW, that he owned every KW record ever released, etc, but then said something like KW's live acts being "unwatchable" and then he started to sing "KGB, and Scotland Yard" and they all (Moby, Liquid, D*Note and the show's conductor) had a laugh. Look who's talking, still performing "Go" on every of his concerts. But who cares about those suckers anyway: who will remember them in a 25 years time?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 05 Jul 1998 13:55:43 +0100 >> After that Moby & company made fun of the >> KW live performances. Bleh! Maybe Moby was saying that he is disappointed with the current lack of progression... not that that's my opinion. He rates KW very highly and put "Man machine" as one of his favourite records of all time.. -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk International Discography Date: 11 Jul 1998 18:49:14 +0200 I have now included a picture file in my discography at: http;//www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Loung/3713/discogra.html Let me know if you find any broken links. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk International Discography Date: 11 Jul 1998 19:35:46 +0200 >I have now included a picture file in my discography at: > >http;//www. geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Loung/3713/discogra.html Geocites: "We are sorry. The page you were looking for, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Loung/3713/discogra.html, does not exist." >Let me know if you find any broken links. Done! -- Christian Reupke christian@reupke.dk ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Bootlegger Address Date: 11 Jul 1998 11:36:41 -0700 > Martin Olsson wrote: > Btw, Doesn't it sound like Madonna sampled "Airwaves" in her "Ray of > Light" song ???? Hmmm, maybe it's just me :-) Martin, The new Madonna album was created with William Orbit, a very popular synth-guy who works with loads'o'analog equipment. Not having actually heard the album for myself, but having read the Orbit interview in July Keyboard magazine I understand the relationship that was developed for the project. Madonna wanted to go more "ambient" so hired a person who could combine that within a song environment... Personally, I think that Madonna and Sven Vath would be fantastic together. MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk live at MTV's partyzone Date: 11 Jul 1998 12:33:21 -0700 > Fer wrote: > > After that Moby & company made fun of the > ... > Look who's talking, still performing "Go" on every of his concerts. > But who cares about those suckers anyway: who will remember them in a > 25 years time?? Well, it really looks like Moby probably will be remembered. He helped baby-food, uh, I mean "pave" the way for techno-stylings in clubs throughout the universe. He's got quite the ego, from what I've read... When I saw him in concert he kinda sucked. The live disco-drumming was great, but the butt-rock was terrible - and the egomaniac himself graced us with his little temper-tantrum act he likes to call "singing." MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Bootlegger Address Date: 12 Jul 1998 02:28:33 -0400 >>> Personally, I think that Madonna and Sven Vath would be fantastic together. <<< Word! Sven Vath is the shit! He's one of the few techno performers who can work from either end of the spectrum, whether it's hard techno or gentle techno-style ambient. Both his US albums on Warner Bros. are truly ahead of their time, but he got dropped. What do you expect when you sell a measly 2500 units-per-album here? It's unfortunate, but most USAns are squares. Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Follow up on new albums Date: 12 Jul 1998 06:40:23 EDT the albums were announced in the UK about a year ago (Vox ran a feature). But they haven't appeared yet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) looking for Tour de France Date: 12 Jul 1998 13:51:43 +0200 Hi ! What album has a good version of 'Tour de France' ? I'm looking for that song... You can e-mail me at musik@cheerful.com Thanx ! Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angel Berniz Subject: Re: (kw) looking for Tour de France Date: 12 Jul 1998 20:41:21 +0200 Try the Kevorkian remix in the "Toccata Electronica" album. It must be difficult to get J.Prieto - MuSiK escribió: > Hi ! > What album has a good version of 'Tour de France' ? > I'm looking for that song... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Moby/Autobahn connection? Date: 12 Jul 1998 16:16:30 -0700 I was rummaging through my early 90's CD's and found Moby's remixes of "GO". Interesting artwork on CD......... The universal ban symbol over an automobile! Has anyone else seen it? DJ FRANK X http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/nummern.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) Concert Classics review! Date: 12 Jul 1998 23:27:10 +0100 (BST) Well my 'werkers, I shelled out nine quid for a copy of that much-talked-about-on-this-list CD, "Concert Classics", and it's great!! Definately worth the money. I think we've all pretty much established that it is from late on in the 1975 Autobahn tour (in the USA? - I'm sure that's Americans I hear cheering inbetween songs), and therefore indisputably features Karl Bartos as the 4th band member, not Klaus Roeder as said in the CD cover. One of the best things about this recording is that it seems to be pretty much a direct stereo tape from the mixer, and thus we get to hear very clearly what each member of the band is playing. For anyone interested in Kraftwerk's live set-up & "who plays what", this makes for fascinating listening- it is particularly informative when compared with the "Super Golden Radio Shows- Live in Cologne 1975" CD, recorded a few months earlier, before the band left to tour America. Generally, Ralf & Florian seem to have expanded their keyboard rigs, and Ralf is pretty much always playing two parts at once. When combined with more glockenspiel from Karl, and a much deeper bottom end on the electronic drums compared to the Cologne recording, the "Concert Classics" CD has a much fuller sound. One word of advice (remember, this is a *live* recording): play it on big speakers turned up LOUD, to get a real feel for how big and raw this would've sounded in 1975! From left to right on your speakers we get: RALF, WOLFGANG (always on electronic drum kit) <-> KARL, FLORIAN First up is KOMETENMELODIE (with parts 1 & 2 from the studio album medleyed together to form one piece) ["Weere Goana play a song kall-et Kometenmelodie" says Ralf rather shyly to the audience]. It starts with that tape of the Faust thingy, the band coming in over the top of it. Ralph is playing the melody on his miniMoog(?), occasionally blending in some Vako Orchestron choir, Karl bashes away on glockenspiel, whilst Florian uses two synths, one for a low phased bass drone, the other for the punchy rhythmic bass line. The performance is full of energy, with a lot of improvisation. Is it just me, or does Karl, during the main Kometenmelodie melody [:)], pick out Cmajor, Dmajor, Emajor & Fmajor, when it should clearly be D minor & E minor? (ie he plays F#'s and G#'s?) Whatever it is, it sounds incredibly exciting! There's a great bit where it all peters out, Ralf taking the melody away up high into the stratosphere, and the band then all bash back in again. The crowd clap fairly enthusiastically at the end! Next up is AUTOBAHN, which again starts with a tape (of the car starting, as per the album version). Then Ralf starts the bass-line on his miniMoog, and the crowd cheer as they recognise it! This version really is something special (as Ralf can be heard telling the band in German afterwards). Both Karl & Wolfgang play electronic drums together, and... well, sometimes their timing does sound a wee bit sloppy, but generally it's full of deft little off-beats and fills, really interesting and full of vitality. Florian uses a synth with it's oscillators tuned a major 3rd apart to play the chords in the main tune, and to do some wonderful car-zooming-past-doppler-effects! Ralf, as I said, plays the bass line, and also (this is one of the things that makes this recording so much better than the Cologne one) he plays the tune in harmony with Florian... I think he's using a Farfisa organ, heavily phased (? - he plays chords with it, you see, so it can't be a monosynth). They sing the verses in rather nervous unison! For some reason the first instrumental section is very short, Ralf just playing the melody whilst Florian takes over on bass (there's a couple of glorious bars where they're both playing the bass line together- PHAT!)...usually Florian plays the melody here on his flute with loads of echo...maybe he didn't feel like it that night! The second instrumental section has brilliant car-zoom noises- they'd obviously got them well practiced during all the touring: they really are spot one, marvellous control of dual-VCO pitch bend/portamento & filter sweeps. The 3rd instrumental section is perhaps the most striking of all- after the bit where they turn of the radio and find themselves playing on it (cue Florian's squiggly FM noises!), they go into that brilliant psychadelic bit- but whereas the Cologne version finishes at this bit, here the band sweep on into the 3-part harmony "Wir faahren - auf der Aut - oo - bahn", like on the album version. Ralf & Florian play the harmonies though, rather than sing them (Ralf cheats by using the Orchestron choir to sing it for him!), and there's a lot of improvising...Florian plays those fast wiggly bits very well! The audience seem very appreciative! Next, Ralf seems to suggest(?) that they play KLING KLANG, and Wolfgang(?) sounds pleasantly surprised! However, there are 3 or 4 minutes of dicking about, and Ralf has to tell the audience "One sekont: there is a problem on the elektronik...drrrum-kit...OK..." Florian can be heard tuning his oscillators back down from a major 3rd to unison. What follows does not to me actually sound very much like the 20 minute track which bears the same name on the green taffik-coned "Kraftwerk 2" album! Basically, it's just a summery-surf-salad improvisation, which is perhaps closer in feel to portions of "Ananas Symphonie" from the third album. I just played along there, and it is in the key of A flat major, sometimes moving to D flat... is this the same key as the studio version of Kling Klang, I wonder? I'll check later, unless someone else beats me to it...The only real repeated melody is played by Karl on the glockenspiel. One problem is that Karl & Ralf are much too loud in the mix, and poor Florian is all but drowned out! He sounds like he's playing his electronic flute with loads of echo, but you can't be too sure. Ralf uses his little electric piano [anyone know what make it was?], as heavily featured on the "Ralf und Florian" album; about half-way through he changes the preset sound to the "harpsichord" one used on "Kristallo"- he also does some flourishes on the Farfisa at the start, and holds a few bass drones on the minimoog. The audience don't seem to have responded well to a free improvisation with bad sound mixing, cos there's little cheering following. Ralf appears to be in good spirits however, and apparently seems to be trying to cheer up Wolfgang (" Hey! .... Wolfgang!.... Was ist loss?" he says affectionately, and Wolfgang I think complains about the drums(?) in German... Ralf then relpies in *English*, so my guess is that he is quoting some silly thing they have heard someone say to them while on tour: he goes "Ten million listeners in China", to which Wolfgang concedes wryly "Yes, 10 000 000 listeners in China"!! Kinda touching...) Anyway, Ralf then announces TANZMUSIK, (and at last turns his bloody phaser off, which had been swooshing incredibly noisily all the way through the set up until that point!!)- which sounds nice, but sadly, again, Florian's flute, wriggling everywhere in flourishes of echos, is all but inaudible. Ralf actually plays quite a few bum notes on his electric piano, but his improvisations are fascinating nonetheless, displaying a real gift for shifting through chords and playing off Karl. But then, the most annoying part of this whole record: Tanzmusik just gets faded out after about 4 minutes!! In full flight! Eh!? Why did these "Concert Classics" people do that? The CD only clocks in a 48 minutes, so there was loads of room for the rest of Tanzmusik, and the several other tracks that the band (presumeably) played that night!! What's going on!? Either the makers of this CD thought "oh, this is crap, no-one'll want to hear this stuff after Autobahn", or could it possibly be that the sound man did that to them on the night, because the audience had all got bored!? We'll probably never know... So, the CD ends leaving you feel a bit narked that you've been deprived of that extra half hour of vintage Kraftwerk that's lurking in a Tenessee vault somewhere! But hey- enjoy what *is* on the CD - Kometnmelodie & Autobahn are bloody marvellous... they certainly don't make 'em like *that* anymore folks... DAVE :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) more live werk Date: 12 Jul 1998 23:47:10 +0100 (BST) I was just thinking: On the "concert classics" CD, the band hadn't yet got vocoders on stage with them (the intro of the Faust stuff being on a pre-recorded tape), although they have got the Orchestron going, and lots of lovely keyboards. So, I'm kinda drooling over what the 1976 tour that followed the release of RADIO-AKTIVITAT must've sounded like... presumably they kept all the fabulous sounds they taken on the round in '75, and added the vocoder, and a lot more vocals generally, and performed lots of great songs off Radio_Activity, as well as the best of the old stuff? Maybe they made some of those lovely analogue FM sounds live on stage (a la ANTENNA & RADIO-LAND?) Anyone know anything about recordings from this period? The next stuff I have heard is on a CD bootleg called NIPPON NUMBERS from the COMPUTERWELT tour in 1981, and frankly it's pretty crap: there are a few exciting sounds (and the bootleg isn't of a particularly flattering recording quality anyway) but generally the synth sounds are just DULL DULL DULL, Autobahn for instance, being just a shadow of it former concert classix self. (They do have the vocoders though, which provide some of the juciest moments) Was the live stuff of '76 (and after T.E.E ?) a peak before this 1980s decline? (I'll concede that the 1990s live digital sound is a fair bit better than my Nippon Numbers CD... but Concert Classics still knocks the pants off it!) RALF'S PHASER RULES!!! IT'S THE NOISIEST IN HUMAN HISTORY!!!! DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) neu! Date: 12 Jul 1998 23:49:27 +0100 (BST) Are we allowed to talk about NEU! on this list, or is that bad manners? Cos the 3 germanofon albums I have are bloody wonderful, I think! <<<< TEMPO! TIMBRE! TASTE! >>>> "ISI"...oh, I love it to bits. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) KW article in Tower Pulse (US) Date: 13 Jul 1998 01:14:55 EDT >>> ....Please communicate any factual errors you find with the above with Tower Records at www.towerrecords.com, and not to yours truly. :) (my goodness, where do i start??-how about THE TOUR WAS ALREADY over BY THE TIME THE MAGAZINE HIT THE STANDS, YOU LUNKHEADS!!) (not you, dear reader, but the Pulse editors). <<< These errors usually happen because the magazine goes to press a few weeks before it hits the stands. Oh, Lord, how we just LOVE working for them (Lincoln Center, [Western] classical department--we'll hook you up with dope music). Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Lunch with Ralf Date: 13 Jul 1998 12:37:50 +0100 How about this for a quote directly lifted from the BB Mailing list: >>>It's a coincidence you mention this, Javed. A couple of weeks ago I had lunch with Ralf Hutter, and I casually asked him about the Barbara Ann and Fun, Fun, Fun lift. He told me it was entirely coincidental. He said he's been asked about this ever since Autobahn was first released. He could have been putting me on, though. He does have a good sense of humor. I mentioned that Kraftwerk was essentially two people, and he confirmed, adding that he thinks four people on stage looks better than two. He then commented that there really wasn't a need for ANYONE to be on stage, what with the midi set up and all. Then he smiled in a way that let me know he was kidding. Kraftwerk are to Techno what Brian is to Surf. Every time I listen to Imagination, I can't help thinking how similar the bg vocals are to Man Machine.<<< Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Items available for trade/sale Date: 13 Jul 1998 09:32:06 -0400 I have the following items for trade/sale. They are not in perfect condition, but the LP's are in fine shape with no scratches or skips on them. I have: 1) The Telephone Call 12" Single = This album contains (1) The Telephone Call (Remix), (2) House Phone, (3) Der Telefon Anruf (The Telephone Call in German) The album is in fine shape, and outer sleeve is probably, on a 1 - 10 scale; a 7 - 7.5. It is a little bumped on the corners and has a few scuff marks from being on the shelf for years, but no tears, or stains. 2) Tour De France 12" Single = This album contains (1) Tour De France, (2) Tour De France (Remix) The album is in the shape condition as above, if not a little better. 3) I have 2 complete sets of the yellow Kraftwerk Radioactivity Stickers from the 75 LP Radioactivity. The stickers are all in tact, with no smears, tears, the sheet is somewhat like a sheet of stamps, and all the stickers are still connected to one another. The first set of stickers, on a 1-10 scale; is a 6 - 7, the second set is beautiful, having been stored in plastic in a cool, dry place. This set, on a 1 - 10 scale; is an 8 - 9. I really don't want to sell them, but I want to be fair about it because not everyone has what I seek in trade, so if you don't have what I seek in trade, but desire any/all of these items, just make a reasonable offer, and first come, first serve. I'm not starting a bidding war for this stuff. My first preference is an *official* copy of Autobahn on CD, not a copy of the CD. I can't find this anywhere, it does not have to be new, but not scratched up either, common sense. If you don't feel a trade is fair for the Autobahn CD because all you want is one 12" LP, or 1 set of stickers let me know, I'm more than willing to throw in some $$$. If I can't find the Autobahn CD for trade, then I'm open to any Kraftwerk material I don't already have. Thanks, I hope this was clear enough without dragging on forever. Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Lunch with Ralf Date: 13 Jul 1998 16:25:55 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Richard Poolton wrote: > How about this for a quote directly lifted from the BB Mailing list: > >>> A couple of weeks ago I had > lunch with Ralf Hutter, and I casually asked him about the Barbara Ann and > Fun, Fun, Fun lift. He told me it was entirely coincidental. He said > he's been asked about this ever since Autobahn was first released. <<< PRECISELY!!! *Journalists* have been *asking* the poor man incessantly about it! *That's* why it keep appearing in articles, not because *Ralf* keeps bringing it up. Obviously, making conversation, Ralf tells them that he does like those old Beach Boys records. But the music of AUTOBAHN basically has bugger all to do with them. Why do I get the feeling this isn't the last we'll hear of this one... DAVE / :( \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) looking for Tour de France Date: 13 Jul 1998 20:14:17 +0200 >Hi ! >What album has a good version of 'Tour de France' ? >I'm looking for that song... > Does anybody know anything about a possible rerelease of 'Tour de France'? In my record dealer's database a rerelease of 'Tour de France' on vinyl is announced. Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peeters Ivo" Subject: Re: (kw) neu! Date: 13 Jul 1998 20:20:22 +0200 Are we allowed to talk about NEU! on this list, or is that bad manners? > > Cos the 3 germanofon albums I have are bloody wonderful, I think! > I just picked up a copy of a Neu!-tribute CD that just has been released = on Cleopatra (CLP 0300-2) tracklisting: 1. MICHAEL ROTHER : Neutronics 98 (a tribute to Conny Plank) 2. DOWNLOAD : Hallo Gallo 3. AUTECHRE : Weissensee 4. DEAD VOICES ON AIR : F=FCnfundsiebzig (based on E-musik) 5. KHAN : F=FCr Immer 6. SUNROOF : Hero 7. SYSTEM 7 : Interstate (using a sample from Hallo Gallo) 8. LEGENDARY PINK DOTS : Super 9. JAMES PLOTKIN : Lila Engel 10.JEFF GREINKE : Im Gl=FCck I was lucky today. In the same shop a bought the Kraft 1 and Kraft 2 12"= s for around 4$ each. Ivo Peeters # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) reissues Date: 07 Jul 1998 17:29:01 +0100 You would think instead of that promotional box set last year EMI would've reissued all the old singles on CD..... -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Die Roboter FS Subject: (kw) kraftwerk video for sale Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:53:57 -0500 Go here for details: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20516694 -- may u live 2 see 1999 Musique Non Stop. Techno Pop. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) EMI Essentials Date: 14 Jul 1998 03:07:10 -0400 Does anyone know if there'll be a KW version of the limited-edition series on EMI? I mean, we've had Duran Duran, Blondie, Garth Brooks, and David Bowie represented in the series, so what about the world's greatest band? Peace. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:28 +0200 Date: 14 Jul 1998 02:07:41 -0600 ---------- Da: Christian Di Sante A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Oggetto: Data: lunedì 13 luglio 1998 19.23 This summer i'll go in California on holiday. Do you know where I can find KW's stuff and bootlegs? Thank you. -Didi- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) Pictures from Roskilde Date: 14 Jul 1998 12:03:13 +0200 Two great pictures of Florian from Roskilde. I love number two! http://www.swepett.pp.se/temp/kwerk1.jpg http://www.swepett.pp.se/temp/kwerk2.jpg gunnar@gunnar.com | http://www.gunnar.net | gunnar@gunnar.net "Basically a good guy, when all things considered" / Hasse Nilsson 1998 F=F6r de snabbaste nyheterna: mailto:jagvillvetaalltfortsomfan@gunnar.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik Jonsson Subject: (kw) live comments Date: 14 Jul 1998 12:11:42 +0200 A few comments from me, Fredrik Jonsson, new on the list but old „im Kraftwerk-gebiet"! David Davis asked about recordings from 1976-1978 and that is what I would like to hear too! Actually I think that there are not many recordings available. I have a few old '75 concerts on tape and they are wonderful, with excellent quality from a Bremen gig with Ruckzuck at high speed and Florian going breathy! I agree that Concert Classics is good but don't look down on the '80s concerts. There is one from Liverpool 1981 where "It's more fun to compute" is very funky and improvised and try to find also a late 1981 tour concert from Belgium (?Antwerpen?) where they play Metropolis as an extra! A rare moment... "Wir fahren sofort ab!" /Fredrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) New album news Date: 14 Jul 1998 11:26:57 +0100 Here's a copy of a message I received earier from a KW "insider" of sorts. Fairly interesting it is too. >>>Actually, I met Ralf in Tokyo, Japan, where I live. Kraftwerk did several shows here before they went to US for the recent shows. I work for a company that XXXXXXXXXX XXX XXXXXXXXXXX. Yes, he mentioned that Kraftwerk were finishing a new album, that the Japan and US shows were a good chance to try out a bit of the new material, although in radically different form than will be eventually released, and the time also afforded them to distance themselves from the album production for a time in order to get a fresh perspective. The stage was incredible, looking like a scene out of Star Trek, and all the rack mounted gear was, as Ralf explained to me later, their actual studio which they had made portable for travel. Another absolutely fascinating thing he said was that they had discarded all their original gear, but couldn't find anyone to buy it, so they held on to it, and of course now it is all extremely valuable as vintage synth gear. I asked if he used any of the original gear today, and he replied that it is too fragile, so what they did was to faithfully sample all the original sounds and put them on hard disc so that when they perform early material they can do it with the same vintage synth patches without lugging around the bulky, fragile gear. Ralf was an absolute pleasure to meet and discuss music with. Believe me, many musicians are not. OK, one more gem. He told me the biggest mistake Kraftwerk ever made was to limit Autobahn to side one of the album, padding side two with a number of unrelated tracks. I found that comment extraordinary.<<< I PUT THE X's IN TO PROTECT THE GUY'S IDENTITY. Regards Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) live comments Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:35:08 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Fredrik Jonsson wrote: > I agree that Concert Classics is good but don't look down on the '80s > concerts. There is one from Liverpool 1981 where "It's more fun to > compute" is very funky and improvised and try to find also a late 1981 > tour concert from Belgium (?Antwerpen?) where they play Metropolis as an > extra! A rare moment... Yeah, "It's More Fun To Compute" is probably the best track on my "Nippon Numbers" 1981 bootleg. But most of the other tracks are pretty dull... no orchestron, no "proper" analogue synths, no tape echo units... and certainly no-Ralf's-noisiest-phaser-in-the-world! Does anyone know why they never seem to have played "Spacelab" live? It's probably my favourite track of all!! (along with Spule and Franz Schubert... Endless Endless...) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) New album news Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:37:36 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Richard Poolton wrote: > OK, one more gem. He told me the biggest mistake Kraftwerk ever made was > to limit Autobahn to side one of the album, padding side two with a > number of unrelated tracks. I found that comment extraordinary.<<< Well, that's something I've thought on occasion too! :) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) New album news Date: 14 Jul 1998 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, David Davis wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Richard Poolton wrote: > > OK, one more gem. He told me the biggest mistake Kraftwerk ever made was > > to limit Autobahn to side one of the album, padding side two with a > > number of unrelated tracks. I found that comment extraordinary.<<< > > Well, that's something I've thought on occasion too! :) I actually like the second side...and I don't see why anyone (even Florian!) thinks they're unrelated to the main track. Many of the motives from "Autobahn" are repeated in the other tracks. I've always seen them as being like different stages of the "trip" that they're on. For instance, the last track (featuring Florian's flute) sounds like they've arrived at wherever they were going and are having an outdoor picnic or something. Although I've noticed that people who like early KW usually like the extra tracks, while people who only like their later sound usually skip them. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) I found a mixing error on the 12" Single The Telephone Call Date: 14 Jul 1998 09:55:48 -0400 Has anyone else ever noticed there is a mixing error on the 12" The Telephone Call LP? On the B-side, on the single "House Phone", there is an error. It occurs during the second verse of the female voice saying, "The number you have reached has been disconnected." What actually happens is... just a split second before the verse is spoken you can hear the women's voice for a split second start the verse early. So what you actually hear is... "Th... The number you have reached has been disconnected." How could Kraftwerk let be pressed and distributed, in the past this type of error would have surely delayed the LP's release by at least 6 months. =) I know it sounds petty, but it seemed "awkward" for a band who seems to strive for such perfection. And, it is an obvious error, and any true Kraftwerk fan can easily identify it and hear, some friends of mine who are not Kraftwerk fans, and don't know their songs inside and out like most fans said they couldn't tell a difference, but it's there. I was just curious if anyone else ever noticed this. Norman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Audience for early KW Date: 14 Jul 1998 10:48:51 -0400 (EDT) In thinking about the second side of "Autobahn," I realized that there may be a great deal of audience potential for the pre-Autobahn albums, and I don't mean just the diehard fans. I know several people who are completely indifferent when I put "TEE" or "Computer World" on, but love KW 1 & 2 and "Ralf & Florian" when I play them and are amazed when I tell them who it is. For me, this is proof that they're great albums in their own right. Although it seems to be the rare listener (although I am one) who likes both types of music equally. "Autobahn," appropriately enough, seems a good crossover album, as everyone seems to like it regardless. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pea Hicks Subject: (kw) More Orchestron info...... Date: 14 Jul 1998 06:14:47 -0700 Hello all...... I spoke at length with Dave VanKoevering this past week. He was the guy behind the Vako Orchestron..... He remembers meeting with Kraftwerk and building them a custom Orchestron, well before they were made available to the general public. He couldn't remember the exact date of this transaction, but for my research he offered me full access to his archives in Nashville so when i get a chance to go out there I'll certain see if i can surface a bill-of-sale. another thing- in the current issue of Future Music, in the article about Wolfgang Flur, there's a picture of KW rehearsing during the Radioactivity tour (this is the one with the "drum cage" thing). If you look closely at Ralf's setup, you'll see the back corner of the Orchestron poking out (on the left). This confirms my assumption that they had one of the wood-grain finish Model B's. I can't help but wonder if this is what Ralf had in mind when he made the comment (was it in the '81 Keyboard Mag interview?) about how silly it is to hide technology behind faux-natural surfaces like wood-grain finish............ cheers.pea # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) Cuttlas comic in english for you and me Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:01:44 +0200 Hi friends, Many friends of the list were asking me for the translation of Cuttlas comic... I=B4ve translated it and today I=B4ve uploaded an english version. Move your mouse over the spanish texts and you get the english. http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard I=B4ve used a Java Script... for that reason the page could be slow when loading... but not too much... My english is not very good but I hope this helps to non spanish speakers. ;-) Regards Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: (kw) My pictures from Roskilde Date: 14 Jul 1998 09:31:28 PDT I have now scanned and uploaded the KW-photos I snapped in Roskilde. Go to this URL to see them: http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-71404/kwconcert1.html I hope you enjoy them :-) /Martin "Immer wieder, immer wieder Autobahn" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Audience for early KW Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:36:11 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, John B. Morgan wrote: > In thinking about the second side of "Autobahn," I realized that there may > be a great deal of audience potential for the pre-Autobahn albums, and I > don't mean just the diehard fans. I know several people who are completely > indifferent when I put "TEE" or "Computer World" on, but love KW 1 & 2 and > "Ralf & Florian" when I play them and are amazed when I tell them who it > is. For me, this is proof that they're great albums in their own right. > Although it seems to be the rare listener (although I am one) who likes > both types of music equally. "Autobahn," appropriately enough, seems a > good crossover album, as everyone seems to like it regardless. I agree completely- there is some stunning music on there. And the technology that gets used to make most music these days is so different to the experimental stuff they did with Conny Plank back then that I feel those albums still sound very "fresh" and unusual today. Take "Vom Himmel Hoch" for instance- I mean, what the hell are they *doing* with a flute and electric organ to get those sounds!?!? :-) And that SPULE is beautiful- I adore all those overblown wierd harmonics that Florian gets out of his flute. I could witter on... but basically I think Kraftwerk are being a little shortsighted not to be proud of that early work. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo@iol.it Subject: Re: (kw) New album news Date: 14 Jul 1998 11:19:08 +0000 > company that XXXXXXXXXX XXX XXXXXXXXXXX. a company that kisses a lot? that do a lot of porno? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:18:54 -0000 Was anybody able to download those Roskilde mp3 files? If so - how? Lars -- >> >> Roskilde Festival, Denmark, 25th of June 1998 >> >> TRACK LISTING >> ------------- >> >> 1. Numbers / Computer World >> 2. Radio Activity >> 3. Trans Europe Express >> 4. Pocket Calculator >> 5. We Are The Robots >> 6. Unreleased track >> 7. Boing Boom Tschak / Musique Non Stop > >> If someone here has space on a webserver for this, contact me either via > >Ok, it is on a hotline server. > >Just use the tracker mp3only.trencher.com and look for a site called TECHNO HUT. > >Regards > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Virtu ex Machina' beethoven intro Date: 14 Jul 1998 15:16:20 Hi folks. As many of you know, the 'Virtu ex Machina' bootleg is the exact same recording as the 'Nippon Numbers' bootleg, with one exception which is the first track "Beethoven-Intro" which is only included on the 'Virtu' version. Was this intro track actually played at that concert prior to Kraftwerk taking the stage or was it just added onto the CD by the bootleggers? Just curious since that bootleg was recorded directly through the soundboard. By the way, for those of you not familiar with these 2 bootlegs, they're both recordings of KW's performance in Tokyo, Japan on September 7th, 1981. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: (kw) Kling Klang Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:16:43 +0100 (BST) hi 'werkers! Well, I just checked what key KLING KLANG is in on the KRAFTWERK 2 album, and it does indeed start in A flat, the same as the live "version" of KLING KLANG on the "Concert Classics" CD. However, other than that, there's very little similarity... maybe R&F intended them to have the same "mood" or "feel", but the live version is a bit too busy & florid in comparison, in my opinion. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement. Date: 14 Jul 1998 15:22:09 I got a kick out of this little advertisement for the new KraftweLt album "Retroish": "This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" Somehow, I doubt it's as much of a consolation as they claim. hehe :-) -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) Pictures from Roskilde Date: 14 Jul 1998 15:09:43 -0700 > Gunnar R Johansson wrote: > Two great pictures of Florian from Roskilde. I love number two! > http://www.swepett.pp.se/temp/kwerk1.jpg > http://www.swepett.pp.se/temp/kwerk2.jpg That folder has seven really great pics of Rammstein in concert as well! Oh, in case anyone is interested http://www.worldwidewax.com/mmm/ has a few old moog albums for sale. Also, in the event that someone is interested in modular synths http://www.native-instruments.com/ has a very cool mod-synth emulation program for PC called 'Generator 1.5'. ;) If a crack exists - email me in private. Is anyone else able to make out the lyrics in 'Tech Talk' yet, or am I just delusional? MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) live comments Date: 14 Jul 1998 15:25:40 -0700 > Fredrik Jonsson wrote: > I agree that Concert Classics is good but don't look down on the '80s > concerts. There is one from Liverpool 1981 where "It's more fun to > compute" is very funky and improvised and try to find also a late 1981 > tour concert from Belgium (?Antwerpen?) where they play Metropolis as > an extra! A rare moment... Fredrik, Yes, I too adore that jazzed-up version of 'IMFTC' as well. It sure would be nice if there were a CD compilation of these "alternate" versions! MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour Jgenti Subject: (kw) KW tunes at Jarre's show... Date: 15 Jul 1998 00:57:57 +0200 Hi, I'm just getting from the Jean-Michel Jarre's event at the Eiffel Tower. Well, the concert itself wasn't that good, but an amazing thing that just before the gig they played Kraftwerk "Numbers - Computerworld"! These weren't mere records, but different versions. I don't know whether it was played live, but Numbers sounded cool, only italian lyrics were "played". Computerworld was played without any lyrics... Anyway at this time I felt like I really was at a KW gig, with all this crowd. That was funny... Tim -- timour.jgenti@hol.fr ------------------- timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ------------------- http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement. Date: 14 Jul 1998 17:18:19 -0700 > Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > I got a kick out of this little advertisement for the new > KraftweLt album "Retroish": > "This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which > everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" > Somehow, I doubt it's as much of a consolation as they claim. > hehe :-) Scott, did you actually listen to the album yet? Or the first one? Or the INCREDIBLE single for 'Deranged In Space'? Whatever they are classified as, Kraftwelt most certainly deserve some respect. Alternative Press obviously knows jack and shit about the artists they are comparing. How many times have we all seen misinfo being spouted about other artists? This comparison is totally uncalled for, most especially because they are each great artists in their own right. Bananas and oranges still make for a nice fruit salad though... It's not Kraftwerk covers, or samples or snippets - not even lyrics, melodies or riffs stolen (ala Komputer). Just a simple 'Dedicated to Ralph and Florian' printed on the spine art. No names, no ego, no bullshit. My opinion of the new album is that they really, really need to get that fourth guy that left the group to rejoin. It's lacking the dramatics and imagination of the first album, but does have a great retro-909 feel. MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) I found a mixing error on the 12" Single The Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:35:41 +0200 > verse early. So what you actually hear is... "Th... The number you > have reached has been disconnected." How could Kraftwerk let be hey, what error and error... it's called scratch, don't you know? :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timon Marmex Trzepacz" Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement Date: 14 Jul 1998 21:38:11 -0700 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >I got a kick out of this little advertisement for the new KraftweLt album "Retroish": >"This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" >Somehow, I doubt it's as much of a consolation as they claim. hehe :-) Agreed. I just picked up a couple of KraftweLt albums and I was quite displeased. It seemed to be standard boring melodyless electronica instead of the simple perfection which is Kraftwerk. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement Date: 15 Jul 1998 01:07:10 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Timon Marmex Trzepacz wrote: > >"This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which > everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" > > Agreed. I just picked up a couple of KraftweLt albums and I was quite > displeased. It seemed to be standard boring melodyless electronica instead > of the simple perfection which is Kraftwerk. Well, just to register my assertions :), I thought most of Deranged in Space was good if not particularly KW-ish, and a few tracks on Electric Dimension are excellent - especially "1187", which might have come from R&F themselves. I look forward to the arrival of the next Kraftwelt album. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: (kw) media Center Update (New video & audio) Date: 15 Jul 1998 02:15:58 -0600 Greetings, The Kraftwerk Media Center has been updated. The MPEG video has been updated and now features The Robots Music video from The Mix. And a new Audio special with 'Showroom Dummies' form a 1981 Tokyo concert. Kraftwerk Media Center: http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kw ___________________________________________ Peter Liethen --- pliethen@execpc.com PeteNet Studio --- petenet.dragonfire.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement Date: 15 Jul 1998 14:11:45 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Ra wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Timon Marmex Trzepacz wrote: > > >"This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which > > > everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" > > Agreed. I just picked up a couple of KraftweLt albums and I was quite > > displeased. It seemed to be standard boring melodyless electronica instead > > of the simple perfection which is Kraftwerk. So, what is a sign of Kraftwerk-ishness? Paul Humphreys of Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (a band which Kraftwerk seemed to thoroughly enjoy, since they even went to see their gigs in Dusseldorf!) once pointed out that "Kraftwerk wrote songs! - you could do acoustic versions of them, on a piano, and they would still be intact" - this is probably most true of their output from AUTOBAHN to MAN MACHINE (ie the best stuff!! ) So it does not surprise me that some faceless electronica does not come close (although I haven't heard the material in question) DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Talbert Subject: (kw) Changes at Active-K Date: 15 Jul 1998 09:15:53 -0400 Hello all! Active-K has had undergone a few structure changes. Now, the links to the Kraftwerk audio files will be in a ZIP archive containing TEXT links. Sorry for the inconvenience but the change was necessary. It is very important that you do not post ANY direct links to these files as they will change quite often. Also, anyone that wishes to add links to this file, please email them to me at: jtalbert@ameritech.net Also, I have added the two missing elements from TG97: (1) The BBC interview with Tribal Gathering management (re: KW) (2) The famous Kraftwerk vocoder intro (sorry I missed this before) All the information to obtain these files and the rest of the TG '97 broadcast can be found on the Active-K page at resonance.underground: http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index2.html Kindest regards, -John ______________________________________________________________ The Electronica of Efofex - "Noise has a new purpose" http://efofex.simplenet.com [Look for the 'secret' link to sneak previews of the upcoming f(x) CD] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Creen Subject: (kw) Vitu ex Machina Date: 15 Jul 1998 14:31:39 +0100 > > Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > > Hi folks. As many of you know, the 'Virtu ex Machina' bootleg > > is the exact same recording as the 'Nippon Numbers' bootleg, with one > > exception which is the first track "Beethoven-Intro" which is only > > included on the 'Virtu' version. Was this intro track actually played > > at that concert prior to Kraftwerk taking the stage or was it just added > > onto the CD by the bootleggers? Just curious since that bootleg was > > recorded directly through the soundboard. By the way, for those of you > > not familiar with these 2 bootlegs, they're both recordings of KW's > > performance in Tokyo, Japan on September 7th, 1981. > > My guess is that it was tagged on the start - on the recording I've got, Numbers seems to have the start cut off and appears quite awkwardly in the middle of the Beethoven segment (which I think is the Clockwork Orange soundtrack version, btw). Sean. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Questions Date: 15 Jul 1998 15:35:30 +0200 Anyone knows something about CD "Tour de Trance" Hypnotic CLP9773 and CD "Trans Europa 2" 150 BPM CD39333? Do they include cover versions of KW's songs? Does anybody know what says the robotic voice in Radioactivity / Sellafield in the KW shows? Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Electric Cafe' gatefold image. Date: 15 Jul 1998 10:26:06 I was just looking at my 'Electric Cafe' LP and I noticed something I hadn't before. Take a look at the big two-panel schematic picture inside the gate fold of the four dummies' heads propped up on the vices. You'll notice that all of them have small white crosses positioned directly over the eyes, that is, all of them *except* Florian's head. I never noticed before that Florian's didn't have the same crosses over the eyes as the others. Wonder if this was an oversight or intentional. Oh well, just an observation. -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, IRC's DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "depeche" <_depeche_@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 14 Jul 1998 23:46:18 -0700 Not A chance!! It always says they have max users allowed for downloads! Andrew _Depeche_@msn.com http://www.thegrid.net/jtworld/depeche/ ICQ# 11490225 -----Original Message----- Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com | |Was anybody able to download those Roskilde mp3 files? | |If so - how? | |Lars |-- |>> |>> Roskilde Festival, Denmark, 25th of June 1998 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement Date: 15 Jul 1998 07:46:07 PDT >Agreed. I just picked up a couple of KraftweLt albums and I was quite >displeased. It seemed to be standard boring melodyless electronica instead >of the simple perfection which is Kraftwerk. > >-- Timon -- > The first time I picked it up, I just thought it was cheezy boring electronica...now a few months later Electric Dimention is one of my favorite albums- especially because of the great Blade Runner sampling (a favorite movie of mine). Their latest album does leave something to be needed though...the first track has some nice numbers tribute, but the rest of the album is somewhat weak. off topic- beastie boys record is out..first song's 30 seconds is a total rip of add n to x. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) KraftweLt advertisement Date: 15 Jul 1998 07:55:53 PDT >> >"This is as close to that new KRAFTWERK masterpiece for which >> everyone waits as you're gonna get!" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS" >> >> Agreed. I just picked up a couple of KraftweLt albums and I was quite >> displeased. It seemed to be standard boring melodyless electronica instead >> of the simple perfection which is Kraftwerk. > >Well, just to register my assertions :), I thought most of Deranged in >Space was good if not particularly KW-ish, and a few tracks on Electric >Dimension are excellent - especially "1187", which might have come from >R&F themselves. Again, as I stated earlier. Blade runner makes this album great :) 1187 taken directly from the address of the first "android"... regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Questions Date: 15 Jul 1998 08:17:57 PDT > >Anyone knows something about CD "Tour de Trance" Hypnotic CLP9773 and CD >"Trans Europa 2" 150 BPM CD39333? Do they include cover versions of KW's >songs? >Does anybody know what says the robotic voice in Radioactivity / Sellafield >in the KW shows? Do you mean the "warning" intro..or the very distorted (totally cool, didn't know what they were saying till the show) sayings of certain nuclear flops..chernobyl, harrisberg, sellafield, hiroshima (right order? dont have the mix with me) OFF TOPIC: someone was asking about ACE OF BASE a few months ago. Guess what, they have a new album (released yesterday). have no Idea what it sounds like. meat beat manifesto has a new album to. Import titles are %30 off at www.cdnow.com- concert classics for 12 bux for all those people who cant get it. regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sergio Bayarri Gausi Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 15 Jul 1998 19:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) Hello! > Not A chance!! It always says they have max users allowed for downloads! And no need to say that it's INCOMPATIBLE with everything except windows (unless someone can point me to a UNIX/Java client interface). The person offering the MP3 files sent me an email where he said he had already found someone with web space to put the files online. If it doesn't work, I offer my server for hosting the MP3 files :))) Greetings, Sergio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Questions Date: 16 Jul 1998 03:54:46 +1000 Andrés García Aparicio wrote: > Does anybody know what says the robotic voice in Radioactivity / Sellafield > in the KW shows? Stellafield 2 will produce 7.5 tons of plutonium every year. 1.5 kilograms of plutonium makes the nuclear bomb. Stellafield 2 will relaese the same amount of radioactivity into the environment as Chernobyl every four and a half years. One of these radioactive substances, krypton 85, will cause death and skin cancer. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 15 Jul 1998 20:01:02 +0200 At 19:11 15-07-98 +0200, you wrote: >The person offering the MP3 files sent me an email where he said he had >already found someone with web space to put the files online. If it >doesn't work, I offer my server for hosting the MP3 files :))) No problem. I could also host the files. -- Christian Reupke - Die Mensch Maschine christian@reupke.dk - ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mars.sjostrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: Re: (kw) Questions Date: 15 Jul 1998 20:53:51 +0200 > OFF TOPIC: someone was asking about ACE OF BASE a few months ago. Gues= s > what, they have a new album (released yesterday). have no Idea what it > sounds like.=20 Well to try avoid that this album should go the same way as the one before did (the bridge?) they had mixed this one in five different version:=20 a spanish guitars, flamenco version for south Europe, a reggie version for jamaica, an euro-techno version for Germany and Belgium etc :-) Anyway, who cares about them now?=20 =20 /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Angel Berniz Subject: Re: (kw) Roskilde boot. Date: 15 Jul 1998 21:02:45 +0200 Sergio Bayarri Gausi escribió: > Hello! > > > Not A chance!! It always says they have max users allowed for downloads! Well, it shouldnt be difficult to download. There are normally much less users than dl spots. > And no need to say that it's INCOMPATIBLE with everything except windows > (unless someone can point me to a UNIX/Java client interface). > It works on Mac and there is even a client for UNIX ----------------- FROM THE UNIX CLIENT README FILE----------------- hx, a hotline compatible tcp/ip chat/file system. Ryan Nielsen http://hx.haxor.com/ ftp://ftp.haxor.com/pub/hx/ hx://haxor.com contact me icq 1430361 if you want me to send the client. regards zymba # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Questions (off topic) Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:29:49 PDT >> OFF TOPIC: someone was asking about ACE OF BASE a few months ago. Gues= >s >> what, they have a new album (released yesterday). have no Idea what it >> sounds like.=20 > >Well to try avoid that this album should go the same way as the one >before did (the bridge?) they had mixed this one in five different >version:=20 >a spanish guitars, flamenco version for south Europe, a reggie version >for jamaica, an euro-techno version for Germany and Belgium etc :-) > >Anyway, who cares about them now?=20 >=20 >/M=E5ns I never owned any of their albums, it was just in a newsletter I get. Someone was desperately wanting to know about them- I didn't know who it was so I just posted it to the mailing list in which the person asked for the information. I do not care about them, but you certainly seem to know a little too much about it. In a little bit of denial ehh? :P regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Questions Date: 15 Jul 1998 21:55:08 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Adam Read wrote: > Andr=E9s Garc=EDa Aparicio wrote: > > Does anybody know what says the robotic voice in Radioactivity / Sellaf= ield > > in the KW shows? >=20 > Stellafield 2 will produce 7.5 > =09=09=09=09tons of plutonium every year. ^^^^^^^ =09=09=09Yes, but it said "plutonium" in such a marvellously modulated way my heart just leapt for joy! It was beautiful! DAVE :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: SV: (kw) 'Virtu ex Machina' beethoven intro Date: 15 Jul 1998 22:59:03 +0200 Hello. >Just curious since that bootleg was >recorded directly through the soundboard. By the way, for those of you >not familiar with these 2 bootlegs, they're both recordings of KW's >performance in Tokyo, Japan on September 7th, 1981. I've got that bootleg (Virtu ex, the one with Beethoven opening) on MP3 (bought those anthology CDroms) so I have no "sleeve" information whatsoever on the concert recording, or any of the bootlegs on the CDs. Where can I find bootleg detail information, and, preferrably also some front covers (or live shots) for download? Love Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Questions (off topic) Date: 16 Jul 1998 03:11:22 +0200 > I never owned any of their albums, it was just in a newsletter I get. > Someone was desperately wanting to know about them- I didn't know who i= t > was so I just posted it to the mailing list in which the person asked > for the information. I do not care about them, but you certainly seem > to know a little too much about it. In a little bit of denial ehh? :P =20 Well, I live in their homecountry and they are still very popular here so people still talks about them. I just thougt that it`s quite funny that a group who says that it`s not important how much records you sell, that`s the important thing is that it`s your own sound etc, aloud their producers to do five different mixes of their new album for different places on the world.=20 Let us now be friends and drop this silly band :-) /M=E5ns # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Marcus Fjellström" Subject: (kw) Off-topic bloody Ace of Base (was: Questions) Date: 16 Jul 1998 12:00:15 +0200 >Let us now be friends and drop this silly band :-) Yes, LET'S. /M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) I found a mixing error on the 12" Single The Telephone Call Date: 16 Jul 1998 15:45:09 +0200 > Has anyone else ever noticed there is a mixing error on the 12" The > Telephone Call LP? > > On the B-side, on the single "House Phone", there is an error. It > occurs during the second verse of the female voice saying, "The number > you have reached has been disconnected." > > What actually happens is... just a split second before the verse is > spoken you can hear the women's voice for a split second start the > verse early. So what you actually hear is... "Th... The number you > have reached has been disconnected." How could Kraftwerk let be > pressed and distributed, in the past this type of error would have > surely delayed the LP's release by at least 6 months. =) > > I know it sounds petty, but it seemed "awkward" for a band who seems > to strive for such perfection. And, it is an obvious error, and any > true Kraftwerk fan can easily identify it and hear, some friends of > mine who are not Kraftwerk fans, and don't know their songs inside and > out like most fans said they couldn't tell a difference, but it's > there. > > I was just curious if anyone else ever noticed this. > > Norman In the version of The Telephone Call of the LP (at least the English editing) also there is a failure; towards half of the song the sound is interrupted by seconds. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Strandjungs Date: 16 Jul 1998 14:58:01 +0100 I got this message a couple of days ago. The quote is referring to KW: > Sounds as if they used a song from the "Strandjungs", a german band that > recorded the BB hits in german. Their version of fun fun fun was actually > titled "fahrn fahrn fahrn (auf der Autobahn)". Some of their songs got some > airplay a few years ago here in Germany. Is this true? Did our beloved mensche maschines rip-off some cheesy Deutche-BB tribute band, or is this just a load of bollocks posted by a strange person? Do let me know what you think lads. CRAIG HAVE YOU GOT CONCERT CLASSICS YET JULES HAVE YOU COUGHT ANY EXOTIC DISEASES YET Ciao Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Questions[and an answer] Date: 16 Jul 1998 15:30:43 +0100 why does everyone cheer at the concerts when they mention skin cancer? i asked the lead singer of heaven 17 at their remix album launch party this week what his favourite KW track is and he said "autobahn".could other list members add musicians'preferred KW tracks to this list? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Questions[and an answer] Date: 16 Jul 1998 16:20:08 +0100 put it this way:it would have been business if it had been more of a pleasure... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Large" Subject: (kw) not listmember, where's the archive? Date: 16 Jul 1998 04:38:48 PDT People, Until recently I was an avid reader of this list, but I had to unsubscribe due to the volume of mails, and the fact that I can only read them at work, it seemed it was the only thing I ever did. So, I remember someone saying a while ago that they archived all of these posts somewhere, on a web page. Is it possoible that someone could reply to this mail and tell me where the archive is because I'd still like to read it. Cheers everyone/someone Matthew Large from the landof_thelarge@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Stars fav KW stuff Date: 16 Jul 1998 16:43:52 +0100 Chris wrote: > i asked the lead singer of heaven 17 at their remix > album launch party this week what his favourite KW track is and he said > "autobahn".could other list members add musicians'preferred KW tracks to > this list? I did happen to be at the same dinner party as Stevie Wonder last week. I asked Stevie which did he think was KW's best album artwork. The rude man just didn't reply. I dunno, stars and their pretensions eh! Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mikael Djurvall" Subject: SV: (kw) Questions[and an answer] Date: 16 Jul 1998 17:56:51 +0200 Hi I'm Very fresh to this list, in fact I just joined a couple of hours ago = so...Hello Everybody! I'm wondering if I was the only one who recorded the Kraftwerk concert = in Roskilde (including the soundcheck), cause the last song (aka a = loooooooooooooooong version of Musique Non Stop) got cut on my recording = so I'm looking for a complete one... To answer Chris questions... >why does everyone cheer at the concerts when they mention skin cancer? I don't, I have cancer myself and I can't say it's anything to cheer = about... >i asked the lead singer of heaven 17 at their remix >album launch party this week what his favourite KW track is and he said >"autobahn".could other list members add musicians'preferred KW tracks = to >this list? Well there's this band called Komputer, if you asked them what their = favourite Kraftwerk album is I think it's safe to say they would say = -All of them! :) Keep on' tappin' your foot to wind... =20 Djurvall PS: We released a Kraftwerk tape on Moth Motel, so check it out.. DS. "An edge is only an edge -even the Empire statebuilding has one" ---THE RESIDENTS -75-- \ / \| |/ | \ /| | \/ | | | =20 Don't forget to visit Moth Motel at http://hem2.passagen.se/maha5505/moth.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mikael Djurvall" Subject: SV: (kw) Questions[and an answer] Date: 16 Jul 1998 18:04:18 +0200 Hi I'm Very fresh to this list, in fact I just joined a couple of hours ago = so...Hello Everybody! I'm wondering if I was the only one who recorded the Kraftwerk concert = in Roskilde (including the soundcheck), cause the last song (aka a = loooooooooooooooong version of Musique Non Stop) got cut on my recording = so I'm looking for a complete one... To answer Chris questions... >why does everyone cheer at the concerts when they mention skin cancer? I don't, I have cancer myself and I can't say it's anything to cheer = about... >i asked the lead singer of heaven 17 at their remix >album launch party this week what his favourite KW track is and he said >"autobahn".could other list members add musicians'preferred KW tracks = to >this list? Well there's this band called Komputer, if you asked them what their = favourite Kraftwerk album is I think it's safe to say they would say = -All of them! :) Keep on' tappin' your foot to wind... =20 Djurvall PS: We released a Kraftwerk tape on Moth Motel, so check it out.. DS. "An edge is only an edge -even the Empire statebuilding has one" ---THE RESIDENTS -75-- \ / \| |/ | \ /| | \/ | | | =20 Don't forget to visit Moth Motel at http://hem2.passagen.se/maha5505/moth.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Young" Subject: (kw) Ralf Date: 16 Jul 1998 09:28:58 -0700 Does anyone else think it odd, in light of the fact that there IS an album "Ralf & Florian," that Ralf is frequently referred to as "Ralph." This always conjures up Ralph Kramden, an odd image to be sure, but in a pinch he could probably serve as conductor of the TEE. Jeff Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "d. c A r t o" Subject: (kw) Are the Roskilde tracks on the net yet? Date: 16 Jul 1998 10:08:44 -0700 Did someone put the Roskilde tracks on the net somewhere? Forgive me if I missed the site address in the email deluge. Can someone send me the site again? Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Are the Roskilde tracks on the net yet? Date: 16 Jul 1998 19:19:12 +0200 At 10:08 16-07-98 -0700, you wrote: >Did someone put the Roskilde tracks on the net somewhere? They are online now on a new site. I will post the URL tomorrow. -- Christian Reupke - Die Mensch Maschine christian@reupke.dk - ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Questions[and an answer] Date: 16 Jul 1998 20:12:07 +0100 i wasn't looking for celebrities and had no idea vince clark was one.now, if neil arthur had been there...all i can say is, i brushed against that woman with the plastic boobs -accidentally-and they felt awful.anyway,this is no place to talk about sex and KW should have known better on electric cafe... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Are the Roskilde tracks on the net yet? Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:24:42 +0200 At 19:19 16-07-98 +0200, Christian Reupke wrote: >>Did someone put the Roskilde tracks on the net somewhere? > >They are online now on a new site. I will post the URL tomorrow. The URL is: http://207.5.47.58/kraftwerk/roskilde98/ BTW: The server is located in USA. -- Christian Reupke - Die Mensch Maschine christian@reupke.dk - ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) Subject: (kw) Records for sale Date: 16 Jul 1998 23:18:24 +0200 (MET DST) Dear all, I decided to proceed with a "summer cleaning" of my record collection. I realized that I didn't listen to more than 500 records anymore. So, these records are for sale now. Most of them are "pop &wave - 80's" bands/artists, including Kraftwerk items. If you want to have a look, go to : http://users.skynet.be/goedseel/sumsales.html The list is not detailed, please contact me for further information (tracks, mixes,...) Regards, Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) One small Roskilde-picture Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:18:19 +0200 http://www.algonet.se/~sparkle/roskilde98/kraftwerk.JPG Kraftwerk do their thing... gunnar@gunnar.com | http://www.gunnar.net | gunnar@gunnar.net "Basically a good guy, when all things considered" / Hasse Nilsson 1998 fredag-on@lists.expressen.se - gratis nyheter fr=E5n kompisarna p=E5 fredag= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk + Stockhausen Date: 17 Jul 1998 15:18:25 +0200 Does anybody know something about a concert recorded in 1971 or 1972 by Karlheinz Stockhausen and Kraftwerk; the supposed album would include 6 tracks: 3 from KW played by Stockhausen, and 3 from Stockhausen played by KW. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sd" Subject: FW: (kw) Concert Classics review! Date: 17 Jul 1998 16:21:12 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Davis > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 6:27 PM > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Concert Classics review! > > > > > Well my 'werkers, I shelled out nine quid for a copy of that > much-talked-about-on-this-list CD, "Concert Classics", and it's great!! > Definately worth the money. > cdnow.com sells it (import!) for $13 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Dunne (Creative Assets)" Subject: (kw) looking for autobahn video Date: 17 Jul 1998 16:03:53 -0700 Know where I can find? Thanks a-pdunne@microsoft.com Peter Dunne MCSP Producer X18733 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fpinto Subject: (kw) Looking for KW sounds for windows Date: 17 Jul 1998 19:57:33 -0600 Someone posted a URL site with a ZIP file containing lots of small samples of KW sounds, please, if you know, let us know :-). Phil. PS: Of course if there is a good source of Hi Q (44Khz) sounds, I wouldn't mind knowing where it is! ;). Machine! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) News and wants Date: 18 Jul 1998 08:04:26 -0300 1998 Tour page updated (a photo from Roskilde): http://members.xoom.com/HerBros/kraftworld/concerts/1998Tour.html BTW I'm still interested in recordings of these concerts and earlier material (before 1981 tour). Please contact me. People who wants to put your oppinion of the gigs at the page can mail me too. It would be nice to have your point of view. peace Nicolau # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: m.schmidt@top.east.de Subject: (kw) CD News - only in German Date: 18 Jul 1998 10:38:00 +0100 Hallo, Endlich gibt es "Tour de France" auf einer offiziellen CD mit dem Titel =20 "Tour de France - 21 Racing Tracks". 21 St=FCcke zur diesj=E4hrigen Tour = de =20 France. Der wichtigste ist der 98er Remix von Karl Bartos. Der Instore Sampler (12" Promo) ist eine neue Superseltene Promo im wei=DF= en =20 Lochcover. (sehr selten) Auf ihr sind folgende 4 Tracks: Tour de France - Kervorkian Remix, Techno Pop - 1983 Demo, Radioactivity - Kervorkian Remix The Model - Carbonic Mix. -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ------------------------------------------------------- Germankraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sumac Subject: (kw) Concert Classics/CDNow Date: 18 Jul 1998 21:33:31 -0400 Has anybody that ordered the Concert Classics CD in the US from CD Now received it yet? I ordered a copy six weeks ago and have not seen it yet. Dave Egan sumac@tiac.net "echo's alot of fun if you know how to use it use it..." -Yom Tucker <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Instore Sampler Date: 19 Jul 1998 11:18:34 +0200 > From: m.schmidt@top.east.de > Subject: (kw) CD News - only in German > > Hallo, > > Endlich gibt es "Tour de France" auf einer offiziellen CD mit dem Titel > "Tour de France - 21 Racing Tracks". 21 St=FCcke zur diesj=E4hrigen Tour > de France. Der wichtigste ist der 98er Remix von Karl Bartos. Maybe you could at least quote the label and catalogue number. And it's certainly not the first time Tour De France appeared on a official CD. > Der Instore Sampler (12" Promo) ist eine neue Superseltene Promo im weiss > en Lochcover. (sehr selten) Auf ihr sind folgende 4 Tracks: > Tour de France - Kervorkian Remix, > Techno Pop - 1983 Demo, > Radioactivity - Kervorkian Remix > The Model - Carbonic Mix. As the tracklisting suggests, this is a bootleg. Anyone who is interested in buying (again) these tracks on vinyl: www.hotstuff.se offers this item at 179 swedish kronen. When asked, they tell you it is a bootleg. And not rare at all. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) KW at Roskilde on German TV Date: 19 Jul 1998 07:08:47 -0400 02.20-02.46 Arte Tracks (VPS: 02:15) [3-684-662], ![7-701-223] Musiksendung f=FCr Jugendliche Wiederholung vom 17. Juli Thema: Roskilde - Das Festival der Superstars Mitwirkende: Tori Amos, The Verve, Kraftwerk This should be on Sunday night on German TV...it is a rerun from the 17th= July. Sorry if this has been posted before... Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean and Karen Subject: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 18 Jul 1998 23:53:52 -0400 Well, I finally picked up Concert Classics the other day and ye gods it is so durn gud. I had to drive 80 kilometers (thats about 48 miles for you yanks reading this) and it is probably the best cd I have now.. When I returned I put in in the player and layed on the couch and ended up being so into the melodies :) that I ended up falling asleep in the middle of Autobahn.. The second time around is amazing, but it is best heard through headphones.. Excellent.. My Kraftwerk collection is still a tad limited..(in no partikular order): Electric Cafe The Mix Radio-Activity Concert Classics Man Machine Computer World any suggestions on the next cd I should order? (remember, for some reason, they are all imports, that I must order through a store in another city.) Sean Liddle # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred_Harding@idx.com Subject: (kw) kraftwelt Date: 19 Jul 1998 11:57:12 -0400 Am I the only listee that enjoys Komputer more than Kraftwelt? Yes, Kraftwelt pay lip service to Kraftwerk, openly admitting inspiration. BUT, the only inspiration I can find is in their name. Kraftwelt's Electronic Dimension is practically DEVOID of melody. They seem to be able to operate their equipment, but they don't seem to be able to write a song. Perhaps they're more experimental, but, somehow I don't enjoy them anywhere near as much as say, Mouse On Mars. Needless to say, I find Komputer to be much more enjoyable. Again, perhaps some of (or lots of) their sound is "borrowed" (so what, i say!), but the one thing you CAN'T borrow is the ability to write a SONG. Not a collection of sounds overlaying a rythm, but an actual song. Komputer, at the very least (and really, at the end of the day, isn't it what it's "all" about) can WRITE A SONG. I'll admit, I have a pretty strong "pop bend" in my tastes. However, you will find me listening to eno, I do listen to Cluster - I don't need to be fed a steady diet of pop, however, for some reason, I just don't find Kraftwelt to be enjoyable (or highly enjoyable) on any level. I do listen occasionally, but, I can't say I'd recognise a single song if I heard it on the radio today. Am I missing something? (No replies needed if you're just going to say "taste an a brain!") : ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwelt Date: 19 Jul 1998 10:40:17 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > Am I the only listee that enjoys Komputer more than Kraftwelt? Yes, > Kraftwelt pay lip service to Kraftwerk, openly admitting inspiration. BUT, > the only inspiration I can find is in their name. Kraftwelt's Electronic > Dimension is practically DEVOID of melody. I'll certainly agree about the difference. I like both of them though. Komputer has really captured the KW sound, but their (vocal) songwriting bites. The songs have no point to them. If I'm going to have to tolerate vocals messing up the music, then should at least have meaning for me. KW's lyrics work. Komputer's don't. Kraftwelt, on the other hand, doesn't ruin the music with vocals and they have a very different sound. It's very hard to see a KW influence there at all, except in a couple of tracks. I listen to Kraftwelt for Kraftwelt, not for Kraftwerk. If I were listening for KW in Kraftwelt, I would be disappointed. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:28:52 +0100 lbo: >>also leads me to believe that 'Concert Classics' *is* a bootleg despite what >>it might say on the label - bootleggers are wise to the fact many stores >>won't sell things that are obviously bootlegs and by adding an EMI logo, or > >mmmh again... I don't think so... look, what happen you you're catched up >doing/selling bootlegs? maybe a police officer confiscates all the bootleg >and say "hey kid don't do it again, ok?". apparenty there are a whole series of these 'classic concerts' on this label featuring live shows from the seventies (roxy music etc) - it would appear that this company has legitamately bought the rights to these live recordings, most likely the original owners didn't think there'd be a market for them. BTW these things are *everywhere* now, all over london, even in the westcountry. i've just returned from Sweden and in every record store that had a KW section had like one copy of Electric Cafe, an import Computerwelt and at least ten copies of Concert Classics... >but what if you misuse a big company logo for not completely lawful aims? >I think this could be a law violation about which the big company (and his >staff of lawyers of course) would be a lot more angry than the making and >selling of something that after all never incided negatively on sales. i agree absolutely. they'd come down on you like a ton of bricks! jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) 'Virtu ex Machina' beethoven intro Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:29:06 +0100 scott: >exception which is the first track "Beethoven-Intro" which is only >included on the 'Virtu' version. Was this intro track actually played >at that concert prior to Kraftwerk taking the stage or was it just added >onto the CD by the bootleggers? Just curious since that bootleg was someone on this list said that this was definately added on, which is a pity IMO because it's a lovely peice of music and always gives me a good chuckle when you consider the scene in the film 'a clockwork orange' the passage comes from! :) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:28:47 +0100 >any suggestions on the next cd I should order? (remember, for some reason, >they are all imports, that I must order through a store in another city.) i would suggest Trans Europe Express as an essential purchase jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Where is ROBOT? Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:29:03 +0100 >Jesus ROBOT, go look up sarcasm in the dictionary! hey, that's my line... robot: >>Quit flaming me. It's not MY fault that people talk about me on the >>list, pro or con. Both of you guys [if indeed you are 2 different >>people] andrew: >Yes, you can never be too paranoid robo, I'm almost 28 people on this >list- you're the first to catch on good job! blimey, and i'm another 57. do you find it gets boring flaming yourself? :) jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:46:37 +0100 Klaus: >>Then Wolfgang Fluer must be a fool with an utterly superficial >>understanding of musical substance & cultural settings, since he mode.123: >Klause another perl of your wisdom. Wolfgang Fleur is a fool! That's >why R & F ejected him from Krafterk. Didn't that occur to you?????? er, hang on Modey, i think you'll find it well documented that Wolfgang left entirely of his own volition. It's been suggested that R+F recently offered him a substantial amount of money to return. He refused. jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: (kw) Komputer Date: 19 Jul 1998 15:42:29 -0700 Komputer have a sample CD available called 'Komputer Inside' (an obvious rip on Intel) for $99 at http://www.bigfishaudio.com/ "Acclaimed UK synthesists Komputer take you deep inside their studio, to sample a uniquely digital but strangly organic realm of beats, events, loops and effects. An absolute must for the electro producer, dinf inspiration in the Kraftwerkian robo-funk only Komputer delivers." Uh, huh... right. Well, I'm such a curious kitten that I'm probably going to buy it... AFTER the Vince Clark 'Lucky Bastard' Rom. Does anyone here have any experience with the Sirius by Quasimidi? It looks pretty damned kool... Having it synch to the turntables would be pleasant, but my Sonic Six Portamoog will be excellant! MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MC3P0 Subject: Re: (kw) 'Virtu ex Machina' beethoven intro Date: 19 Jul 1998 16:48:15 -0700 > jono wrote: > scott: > >exception which is the first track "Beethoven-Intro" which is only > >included on the 'Virtu' version. Was this intro track actually played ... > IMO because it's a lovely peice of music and always gives me a good chuckle > when you consider the scene in the film 'a clockwork orange' the passage > comes from! :) Yes, I get the same feelings everytime I hear 'Stuck in the Middle With You'. Especially the "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right..." really reminds me of a very touching scene from 'Reseveur Dogs'. BTW - whatever happened to that damned movie that KW were putting a song in for the soundtrack?! Geeze, talk about anticipation... I've been waiting since last fall for it to be released (the movie, I know KW will NEVER be on time... is the chinese word for this "ta-gong"?) MC3P0 __________ _______________________________________ | o%o [_]| /The Sci-Fi Disco Fembots From Hell(tm)/\ |__________| / http://www.geocities.com/paris/6937 / / /ooo/ /ooo/\ /______________________________________/ / /___/////// /~\_________Analog is my bitch.__________\/ \_________\/ "It's klinkity-klankity disco goodness!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: (kw) Ban Sign over Autobahn Logo Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:53:53 -0700 The ban sign/Autobahn logo question might be explained. I magnified the liner notes on Moby's "GO" Remixes. It says, "A car advert broadcast earlier this year recreated the music to the Moby song "Go". Many people thought it was Moby's music. This is not the case. We would like to make it clear that Moby's music was not used. Moby has not been involved with this commercial and has not received money from it. Had Moby been asked to use "Go" he would have refused on the grounds that he would not let his songs be used to sell cars. "Go" is available again to set the record straight. This single is available at a lower price than usual. All Moby's royalties from the single will go to the charity TRANSPORT 2000. Tel: 081 388 8386" Kraftwerk once again become political! The Transport 2000 homepage: http://freespace.virgin.net/gary.brunsdon/t2000.htm Pic of Ban Sign/Car: http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kraft4.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christoph Marquardt" Subject: (kw) A Tribute To Kraftwerk?? Date: 20 Jul 1998 09:52:37 +0200 Has anybody seen this? http://www.jpc.de/jpcdb/artinfo/artinfo_set.html?artnum=8594763 Chris -- "If it has more than three chords, it's jazz." -- Lou Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) 'Virtu ex Machina' beethoven intro Date: 20 Jul 1998 10:04:57 +0200 hi, you wrote to the mailing list: > >Just curious since that bootleg was > >recorded directly through the soundboard. By the way, for those of you > >not familiar with these 2 bootlegs, they're both recordings of KW's > >performance in Tokyo, Japan on September 7th, 1981. > > I've got that bootleg (Virtu ex, the one with Beethoven opening) on MP3 > (bought those anthology CDroms) so I have no "sleeve" information whatsoever > on the concert recording, or any of the bootlegs on the CDs. Where can I > find bootleg detail information, and, preferrably also some front covers (or > live shots) for download? > from the backcover: 'Recorded Live on Soundboard-equipment Tokio, 7.9.1982 Total playing time: 72.38 This CD has NOT been authorized by Ralf + Florian Produced for the RHEINGOLD-SYNDIKAT by Dr. Faust (under heavy attack of Mephisto). C 1992 DEUTSCH-JAPANISCHE FREUNDSCHAFT- TONTRAEGER, DUESSELDORF KLON 1992001' regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) RE: Kraftwelt Date: 20 Jul 1998 06:42:41 EDT I tend to think of Komputer as a bar band with synths. Komputer are decent programmers, but songwriters? Please. tIMPURE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Instore Sampler Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:45:25 +0100 as i understood it , there is no official TDF on CD.and where can you get the bartos remix of it? this could be one for klaus z... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know anything about the bootleg album "Computersinfonien"? It was recorded on 10 October 1997 (which show was that?) and is currently listed at AB-CD. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 10:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Sorry, that should have been 18 October 1997, not 10. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mikael Djurvall" Subject: SV: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:28:11 +0200 >Sorry, that should have been 18 October 1997, not 10. then it is recorded at ZKM, Karlruhe, Germany... (What ZKM stands for, I have no idea) Keep on' tappin' your foot to wind... =20 Djurvall "An edge is only an edge -even the Empire statebuilding has one" ---THE RESIDENTS -75-- \ / \| |/ | \ /| | \/ | | | =20 Don't forget to visit Moth Motel at http://hem2.passagen.se/maha5505/moth.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:26:23 +0100 ZKM stands for zentrum fur kunst und musik and KW played the day it opened:a great [big] concert..i tried to email harald westphal there last week-without success- so if you are there ,h, please get in touch! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:14:53 EDT In einer eMail vom 20.07.98 16:29:22 MEZ, schreibt chris.raistrick@tis.co.uk: << ZKM stands for zentrum fur kunst und musik >> no, ZKM stands for Z entrum fuer K unst und M edientechnologie. (~ center for art and multimedia) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. ======================== halb wesen und halb (ueber)ding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics (TEE) Date: 19 Jul 1998 11:32:18 -0500 (CDT) > My Kraftwerk collection is still a tad limited..(in no partikular order): > > Electric Cafe > The Mix > Radio-Activity > Concert Classics > Man Machine > Computer World > > any suggestions on the next cd I should order? (remember, for some reason, > they are all imports, that I must order through a store in another city.) Trans Europe Express By the way, I own the Cleopatra release of TEE on CD and the sound quality is pretty crummy. I guess they put it on CD directly from the vinyl and there is a lot of background noise, especially at the beginning of Europe Endless. Is there a better release of TEE on CD? Jose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics/CDNow Date: 20 Jul 1998 08:28:50 PDT >Has anybody that ordered the Concert Classics CD in the US from CD Now >received it yet? I ordered a copy six weeks ago and have not seen it yet. > I just recieved notice...something along the lines of: "Dear andrew: Your order #4320984xx KRAFTWERK/CONCERTCLASSICS BACKORDER blah blah... Has been cancelled due to none in stock...:( hehe regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwelt Date: 20 Jul 1998 08:37:25 PDT >To: kraftwerk >Am I the only listee that enjoys Komputer more than Kraftwelt? Yes, >Kraftwelt pay lip service to Kraftwerk, openly admitting inspiration. BUT, >the only inspiration I can find is in their name. Kraftwelt's Electronic >Dimension is practically DEVOID of melody. >They seem to be able to operate their equipment, but they don't seem to be >able to write a song. Perhaps they're more experimental, but, somehow I >don't enjoy them anywhere near as much as say, Mouse On Mars. Needless to >say, I find Komputer to be much more enjoyable. Again, perhaps some of (or >lots of) their sound is "borrowed" (so what, i say!), but the one thing you >CAN'T borrow is the ability to write a SONG. Not a collection of sounds >overlaying a rythm, but an actual song. Komputer, at the very least (and >really, at the end of the day, isn't it what it's "all" about) can WRITE A >SONG. > >I'll admit, I have a pretty strong "pop bend" in my tastes. However, you >will find me listening to eno, I do listen to Cluster - I don't need to be >fed a steady diet of pop, however, for some reason, I just don't find >Kraftwelt to be enjoyable (or highly enjoyable) on any level. I do listen >occasionally, but, I can't say I'd recognise a single song if I heard it on >the radio today. Am I missing something? (No replies needed if you're >just going to say "taste an a brain!") : ) Well, IMO they are both great artists. And they each have a lot of shitty songs, so because Kraftwelt has released 3 CD's and Komputer only one I usually stand towards the Kraftwelt side because of a bit more variety...Perhaps my views would be totally (no, not perhaps..for sure) different if they didn't sing in Komputer. I like to listen to my music LOUD and for some reason they chose every freaking word which pronounces SSSSSSSSS very loudly; this is probably the reason why I like the world of tommorow track more than most of them..although: underwater citieSSSS :) Also, Kraftwelt doesn't take a chance in writing bad songs by simply not having a pop song in their musique. So, if Komputer were to do what The Human League were to do and release a synth only version of World of Tomorrow I would rejoice (HL released Love and Dancing after Dare- both are great) regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 0625138143-0001@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) "Tour De France" Date: 20 Jul 1998 19:20:37 +0200 Hello, > "Tour de France - 21 Racing Tracks". Contrary to the claims of Marko Schmidt, this double CD does NOT feature a Kraftwerk track. It is in fact Karl Bartos doing a cover version of Tour De France, named 'Tour De France '98'. Track length is 6:45, issued on Warner in Germany. Available in most shops and in all 'T-Punkt' shops of Deutsche Telekom. I can't comment on the track's quality, as I'm not interested in Bartos doing a Kraftwerk cover... slight case of sellout. On the CD, there's also Bluemchen's cover of 'Bicycle Race' by Queen - good company indeed. The cover claims 'Karl Bartos - ex-Kraftwerk member!'. And no Kraftwerk reunion... Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 20 Jul 1998 18:33:47 +0100 oops....entschuldigung chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco Pantani Subject: (kw) Re: Trooper Mannequin Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:58:16 -0500 After the Robots are retired, here's a possible job opportunity. "We are showroom dummies" Jerome Jahnke wrote: > In article <38qq1.8$t1.356557@news.ais.net>, jamie@dilbert.ais.net (Jamie > Rishaw) wrote: > > > Is it just me, or is the state trooper-in-a-car Mannequin underneath the > > Des Plaines Oasis McD's (on 90) really damn annoying? > > > > It's like.. Everyone knows it's a mannequin. They're demonstrating what? > Actually it has been my understanding that at one point they will put a > real trooper there. They do have the radar on in that car so it will cause > drivers with radar detectors in their car to at least feather their > brakes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Concert Classics (TEE) Date: 20 Jul 1998 21:15:20 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Jose Corchado wrote: > By the way, I own the Cleopatra release of TEE on CD and the sound quality > is pretty crummy. I guess they put it on CD directly from the vinyl and > there is a lot of background noise, especially at the beginning of Europe > Endless. Is there a better release of TEE on CD? I have a 1990s EMI CD (it has a blue plastic bit in the case)... the sound quality itself is fine, I suppose, but the actual pressing is diabolical... the silvery back of the CD is so thin you can see straight through it if you hold it up to the light! It won't play on certain CD players, they just think the CD is blank. At least the sleev-notes are correct, unlike the silly errors on the Cleopatra release. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: m.schmidt@top.east.de Subject: (kw) TdF 98 Remix Date: 20 Jul 1998 17:51:00 +0100 Hallo, 21 Racing Tracks Tour de Farnce Warner CA 851 3984-24027-2 Track 13 Tour de France 98 Karl Bartos (ex Kraftwerk Member) German Vocals -- Mit elektrischen Gr=FC=DFen,=B7 Marko ------------------------------------------------------- Germankraft die deutsche Kraftwerk-Homepage: www.mdis.de/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: RE: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 21 Jul 1998 00:06:36 -0400 Hi all I buy recently this CD.. The Computersinfonien album is the ZKM, Karlsruhe (18/10/97) is a double CD the traks are : CD 1 : 1- intro 2- Numbers 3- computerwelt 4- It's more fun to compute/Heimcomputer 5- die mensch-maschine 6- Tour de france 7- Autobahn 8- Atherwellen / Innovation 1 9- Radioactivitat 10- Innovation II CD 2: 1- Trans eruropa express / abzug / metall auf metall 2- Taschenrechner 3- Die roboter 4- The robots 5- Innovation II 6- Boing Boom Tschak / Techno pop / musique non stop Bonus track 7- Radioactivity ( ORBIT REMIX) 8- The Robots (ULTIMIX) 9- Musique non stop *** 10- Trans europe express (SINGLE VERSION) *** *** THIS TRACK ARE BAD WRITED IN THE BACK COVER. In the back cover say : 8- The Robots (ULTIMIX) 10- Tour de france (instr) 11- Trans europe express (SINGLE VERSION) Tha track 9 is not ! the track 10 (tour the france) is not ! The Audio Quality is Good, like "Brain to Midi" Regards From Chile Mauricio PD: Contact me as CH-ROBOTER in #Kraftwerk Channel ! ---------- De: John B. Morgan[SMTP:jbmorgan@umich.edu] Enviado: Lunes 20 de Julio de 1998 06:21 AM Cc: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Asunto: (kw) Computersinfonien album Does anyone know anything about the bootleg album "Computersinfonien"? It was recorded on 10 October 1997 (which show was that?) and is currently listed at AB-CD. ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "A writer lives the same, sad truth as Student Services, everyone else. The only difference is-- The University of Michigan he files a report on it." LS&A Honors Program --NAKED LUNCH http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Provost Subject: (kw) German Road Signs. Date: 21 Jul 1998 00:38:53 -0400 Earlier on this list there was a discussion about the Autobahn sign With a line through it. I found this web site that has all of the German road signs on it, Including the "End of Autobahn" sign. http://www.enconnect.net/greengrl/richt.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Reed Subject: (kw) mmmmm Date: 14 Jul 1998 12:44:53 +0100 Has anybody noticed that little device on Fritz's robot chestplate on THE MIX cover? Could it be a StarWars style restraining bolt? I also now have a full audience copy of TG 24-5-97... -- Mark Reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FRANK X. CORDERO" Subject: Re: (kw) mmmmm Date: 21 Jul 1998 07:40:56 -0700 >Has anybody noticed that little device on Fritz's robot chestplate on >THE MIX cover? Could it be a StarWars style restraining bolt? Could it be a Radio Shack Micronta Liquid Crystal Display Clock? I don't think it is a thermometer. It reads 249? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: RE: (kw) Computersinfonien album Date: 21 Jul 1998 07:52:50 PDT >Hi all >I buy recently this CD.. >The Computersinfonien album is the ZKM, Karlsruhe (18/10/97) >is a double CD >the traks are : >Bonus track > >7- Radioactivity ( ORBIT REMIX) >8- The Robots (ULTIMIX) >9- Musique non stop *** >10- Trans europe express (SINGLE VERSION) *** > >*** THIS TRACK ARE BAD WRITED IN THE BACK COVER. > >In the back cover say : > > 8- The Robots (ULTIMIX) >10- Tour de france (instr) >11- Trans europe express (SINGLE VERSION) This tour de france is very, very annoying. On the Computer World Jap release it states that the instrumental is on it...but noooooo its not, just stupid dentaku. (more down) >Tha track 9 is not ! >the track 10 (tour the france) is not ! > >The Audio Quality is Good, like "Brain to Midi" Is this the same recording as the first ZKM bootleg??? Klaus no need to present numbers here, but I just want to know if I should get this if I already have the first one...if they are the same it would be pointless :P regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) Rumours Date: 22 Jul 1998 15:41:05 +0200 Hi, Anybody knows something on a rumor that circulates from the last editing of the Sónar and that nobody, until now, has confirmed or denied. Apparently DJ Hell played a vinyl with first of both unpublished tracks that they sounded in the performance of Kraftwerk, thing that surprising as soon as it has provoked commentaries. Although maybe one was an exclusive acetate for him. DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: (kw) dj hell Date: 22 Jul 1998 15:37:52 +0100 http://194.152.58.81/in_this_moment/hell/english.html there is a nice english interview with the german dj hell. unfortunately i don't know about any conncection between jd hell and KW... cheers andreas ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH information-design http://www.net-media.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) ...has been disconnected... Date: 22 Jul 1998 16:51:50 +0000 Hello all, Just in case anyone has been mentioning anything on this list that they think may be relevant to the FAQ (unlikely but possible)... I won't have seen it, because my subscriber address is not currently working (I won't bore you with the technicalities). I hope to be back on the list soon, in the meantime I can be reached at K.G.Busby@bham.ac.uk. Regards Kevin -- Kevin Busby, Studio Manager, Department of Music, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 2TT, England. Tel: +44-(0)121-414 5785. Fax: +44-(0)121 414 5781. WWW: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/ Email: artless@innocent.com or K.G.Busby@bham.ac.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) "Elektronische Musik" on ARTE Date: 23 Jul 1998 02:12:31 +0200 Did anybody watch these two broadcasts last night on ARTE? "Toene - Elektronische Musik" (23:25) "Universal Techo" (00:40) It was a really good report about electronic music, it featured some DJ's and Techno-Guys like Autechre, Arthur Baker and others, paying tribute to Kraftwerk. But not a lot about Kraftwerk at all...there were short videoclips from a live-session of Africa Bambaat's "Planet Rock", from a Kraftwerk "Autobahn"-session (The one from "Tomorrows World, 1975) and a short clip of "The Robots" (1991). And a intervied DJ was holding a "Computeworld"-cover in his hand... . Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- |__ "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." | * Georg Jajus, Vienna, Austria | * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ |_________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Georg Jajus Subject: (kw) New album rumour Date: 23 Jul 1998 02:01:41 +0200 Kraftwerk have delivered their tapes with new songs to EMI in Koeln, according to the austrian magazin "Libro Journal" 7/98. It says (sorry, german only): "Ewiges Thema KRAFTWERK. Einerseits geht Mochovce in Betrieb, andererseits soll es sehr bald neues Material von der Duesseldorfer Elektronik-Band gleichen Namens geben...was, aeh, einer ziemlichen Sensation gleichkaeme. Deshalb will niemand so recht daran glauben. Aber Ralf Huetter und Co. sollen schon Baender mit neuen Songs bei Ihrer Koelner Plattenfirma abgegeben haben. Da kann sich's ja bis zur Veroeffentlichung nur mehr um Jahre handeln..." Gruesse aus Wien, Georgie -- |__ "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." | * Georg Jajus, Vienna, Austria | * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ |_________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: Re: (kw) New album rumour Date: 23 Jul 1998 01:50:34 -0700 Hi there! Georg Jajus wrote: > Kraftwerk have delivered their tapes with new songs to EMI in Koeln, > according to the austrian magazin "Libro Journal" 7/98. > It says (sorry, german only): "Ewiges Thema KRAFTWERK. Einerseits geht > Mochovce in Betrieb, andererseits soll es sehr bald neues Material von > der Duesseldorfer Elektronik-Band gleichen Namens geben...was, aeh, > einer ziemlichen Sensation gleichkaeme. Deshalb will niemand so recht > daran glauben. Aber Ralf Huetter und Co. sollen schon Baender mit neuen > Songs bei Ihrer Koelner Plattenfirma abgegeben haben. Da kann sich's ja > bis zur Veroeffentlichung nur mehr um Jahre handeln..." Altavista's SysTran page gives this "translation": "Eternal topic POWER STATION. On the one hand Mochovce goes into operation, on the other hand one there is very soon new material of the Duesseldorfer electronics tape of same name to be... which, aeh, a considerable sensation would equal. Therefore nobody wants to believe so quite in it. But Ralf Huetter and CO are to have delivered tapes with new Songs at your Cologne disk company. There sich's up to the publication only more can concern around years..." Kraftwerk proved that the machines can rock, but evidently they are only so-so at translation ;) I guess you can kind of get the idea from that poor machine translation... POWER STATION is the literal translation of Kraftwerk... I'm not sure what Mochovce is. The translation service page is located at: http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Take care. -- Timon Trzepacz -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) New album rumour Date: 23 Jul 1998 11:56:58 +0200 Hi! Mochovce is a slovakian nuclear power station, soon to be taken into full operation. Austrians are very concerned about it because it's close to border and of the same type as tchernobyl. In Austria people decided long time ago not to build nuclear power stations. Gruesse aus Wien Michael -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timon Marmex Trzepacz An: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Datum: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 1998 10:57 Betreff: Re: (kw) New album rumour snip >I guess you can kind of get the idea from that poor machine >translation... POWER STATION is the literal translation of Kraftwerk... >I'm not sure what Mochovce is. snip # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 23 Jul 1998 13:40:14 -0700 Hi Folks! Someone mentioned recently a KW article in SPIN. Since no one has mentioned it since, I thought I might post some information and a review. This is the SPIN magazine issue for August 1998. ($3.00 USA, $4.00 Canada, 2.25 pounds UK. Don't know if it's distributed in other countries). The cover is pink and features Christina Ricci (Addams' family's Wednesday) in a yellow polka-dotted dress in a sultry pose. (She's featured on the inside, but the pic on the cover is about as racy as it gets.) The Kraftwerk article starts on page 115 and is entitled "Werk In Progress". The blurb on the cover says "Kraftwerk: More Important Than The Beatles?". The full page picture features l-r Wolf, Karl, Florian, Ralf, dressed as gas station attendants (blue coveralls) holding gas pump nozzles below their faces, in a gas station setting. (It looks very "Duty Now For The Future"-ish, for those that might catch a Devo reference.) The sub-heading of the article reads: "It's been 12 years since Kraftwerk's last album of all-new technopop, seven years since they toured. But now the "paralyzed giant" is stirring - the German band are playing their first American shows in nearly two decades and a new album is reputedly close to completion. Be excited, very excited." Below that, in smaller type (and no, I'm not re-typing the whole article..) "In celebration of Kraftwerk being "on the road" again, Spin charts the group's autobahn trip thru pop history. Detours and exit ramps lead to artists and genres they've influenced - from electronica to synth-pop, from David Bowie to Stereolab, it's a living legacy that argues for Kraftwerk as one of the most (literally) inspirational bands of the past 25 years. After the road map, an extract from "Kraftwerkfeature" - a 1975 interview conducted by legendary rock critic Lester Bands during the bands first U.S. tour. "Where is rock going?" a reporter asked Bangs on the eve of the tour. "It's being taken over by the Germans and the machines." he replied. Bangs died in 1982, too early to see his prophecy come to full fruition; on page 120, he gets the lowdown from Kraftwerk founding members Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider on their philosophy of the man-machine." Whew! The Bangs interview is a reprint of an article that first appeared in CREEM magazine (American rock scene monthly) in 1975. Don't know what month, but I have a copy somewhere. In it Bangs mentions that the magazine wanted to send a photographer over to take some photographs, but the band says no, they have their own pictures. When Bangs asks why, Hutter says, "Because we're paranoid". Unfortunately, this is not the whole article, only extracts with some color pics (taken at some distance away) from Tribal Gathering at the top. By the way, "Kraftwerkfeature" is also reprinted in the anthology of Bangs writing "Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung". But the timeline is MUCH more interesting. It's road map style, with history laid left to right across three pages. The KW albums are on the center "Autobahn", with various offshoots from it. The influence timeline reads like this: stockhausen influence / velvet underground influence / classical music academy / beach boys influence Kraftwerk 1 Kraftwerk 2 Ralf and Florian Autobahn Radio-Activity Detour 1: Berlin 77-79 David Bowie-Low Iggy Pop-Nightclubbing Trans Europe Express The Man Machine Detour 2: England 79-84 Ultravox-Vienna Gary Numan-Cars New Order-Thieves Like Us Visage-Fade to Gray Human League-Love Action Computer World Detour 3: New York City 80-86 Man Parrish-Hip Hop Be Bop Afrika Bombatta and Soul Sonic Force-Planet Rock Mantronix-Scream Trouble Funk-Trouble Funk Express Tour De France 12" Detour 4: Detroit 81-90 Cybrotron-Cosmic Cars Model 500-No UFOs Detour 5: Miami Bass 85-98 MC Ade-Bass Rock Express Detour 6: Chicago 86 Big Black-The Model Electric Cafe Detour 7: Rugby England 89-93 Spacemen 3-Playing With Fire Detour 8: Yorkshire, England 89-93 LFO-Frequencies The Mix Detour 9: Providence, Rhode Island 94 Six Finger Satellite-Machine Cuisine EP Detour 10: Detroit 90-98 Carl Craig-Landcruising Detour 11: London 92-98 Stereolab-Emporor Tomato Ketchup Detour 12: Oakland, California 97 Terre Thaemlitz-Die Roboter Rubato END OF CHART Credits for the article: Gas station illustration - Florian Ribisch Time Line by Simon Reynolds. Text by Peter Shapiro, Barry Walters, Simon Reynolds, Charles Aaron, David Stuffs, Jeff Salamon, Mike Rubin, Sasha Frere-Jones, Greg Milner Additional Research: Andy Gensler, Victoria DeSilverio, Greg Milner, Jessica Letkemann (Anybody you recognize? Didn't someone post to the list some time ago desiring information for an article like this, and wasn't it Spin?) Goodness. This took much longer than I thought. In total 6 pages comprise the article (pretty significant in this short-attention-span era we live in). Though the Bangs article is interesting, it is old and not complete. The timeline, though, is fascinating with information about all the albums, detours, and recordings listed above. My advice: Pay the money, read the article, raise the hackles of everyone on the list with your agreements/rebuttals/etc. Going back to rest my typing digits.... -Keith J. kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 23 Jul 1998 15:03:05 PDT >The Kraftwerk article starts on page 115 and is entitled "Werk In Progress". >The blurb on the cover says "Kraftwerk: More Important Than The Beatles?". >The full page picture features l-r Wolf, Karl, Florian, Ralf, dressed as gas >station attendants (blue coveralls) holding gas pump nozzles below their >faces, in a gas station setting. (It looks very "Duty Now For The >Future"-ish, for those that might catch a Devo reference.) ...First, yes it is distributed in the US (hence mostly all the magazine is about US pop). Second, perhaps you didn't notice, but the picture is (imo) somewhat degrading kraftwerk. They never posed like that, it is just a drawing that someone did and their faces are directly ripped off the Trans Europe Express album; which is why Florian Ribisch had to draw it (the TEE cover is in that old picture style that looks like a drawing). I'm sure someone whos never heard of Kraftwerk would just look at that picture, be not at all intrigued and put off by 4 dumb looking guys working in a gas station. Perhaps it will reach some of the younger age group and get them a little interested in checking out a CD or two- many kids i know just hear one song and think they are old boring musicians..almost to the point of being classical musicians; but this is why I love their music. But the rest of the article is pretty cool, its a good magazine for us in the US who don't get any cool "keyboard" or other synth musique related techno pop magazines. They do mention add n to x and I went to the same high school ricci went to (...nearly the same time) so it was a pretty good magazine for me to pick up. regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 23 Jul 1998 21:15:00 +0500 On 24-Jul-98, Andrew T \[K_303\] wrote: >this is why I love their music. But the rest of the article is pretty >cool, its a good magazine for us in the US who don't get any cool >"keyboard" or other synth musique related techno pop magazines. They do >mention add n to x and I went to the same high school ricci went to >(...nearly the same time) so it was a pretty good magazine for me to >pick up. SPIN's article from the 'Electric Cafe' period was very good as well, and described KW's music thusly: "It glows in the dark". I've always liked that... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 24 Jul 1998 08:16:48 EDT I thought the article stunk, was a major disappointment, and reflected laziness on the part of the writer. Really--a picture, minimal text, a timeline and a reprint of an edited article written about 20 years ago (which, by the way is much better in its original form)? True, the timeline was good, but... I make my living as a writer and I'll tell you, if Spin had given me the assignment to write that article, I would never have submitted something so incomplete. I also do a fair amount of editing, and used to be a magazine editor, and if I ever received such an article, I would have bounced it back for rewrite. I recommend reading the piece that appeared in Mojo a few months back for an example of how it should have been done. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew T \[K_303\]" Subject: Re: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 24 Jul 1998 08:20:09 PDT >I thought the article stunk, was a major disappointment, and reflected >laziness on the part of the writer. Really--a picture, minimal text, a >timeline and a reprint of an edited article written about 20 years ago (which, >by the way is much better in its original form)? True, the timeline was good, >but... > >I make my living as a writer and I'll tell you, if Spin had given me the >assignment to write that article, I would never have submitted something so >incomplete. > >I also do a fair amount of editing, and used to be a magazine editor, and if I >ever received such an article, I would have bounced it back for rewrite. > >I recommend reading the piece that appeared in Mojo a few months back for an >example of how it should have been done. I think your expectations were waaaaaay to high. I don't look to some US pop magazine which features "The new MTV VJ, Jesse- Is he really smart??" on the cover for great writing. The article was very weak, and if I wanted information I would just go to the net. I believe this magazine was going toward educating those who don't know who KW are, not trying to match wits with the 500 people who know everything about them. Although I do agree with the degree of weakness to which this sucked, the author really didn't do anything...I'm sure anyone on this mailing list could write a better article in one sitting; but it does stir a little bit of popularity for kw in the new generation. regards, Andrew from ze computer welt, www.angelfire.com/nj/groovethang ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) SPIN Magazine Feature on KW Date: 24 Jul 1998 12:48:20 EDT Yes, you're right--the fact that the article introduces KW to a broader base of readers is a good thing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Wendorff Subject: (kw) Autobahn Date: 24 Jul 1998 19:40:38 -0400 Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on CD? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Fredsberg?=" Subject: (kw) Roskilde Boot mp3 Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:28:16 +0200 Hello! There was some talk about a Roskilde Boot that was converted to mp3. Can someone tell me a ftp or web site where I can download it from. /Mason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 25 Jul 1998 12:41:35 +0100 chris wendorff: >Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on CD? yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Wendorff Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:58:41 -0400 Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one up. At 12:41 PM 7/25/98 +0100, you wrote: > > >chris wendorff: >>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on CD? > > >yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Redmond Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 25 Jul 1998 08:30:06 -0700 Chris Wendorff wrote: > Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one > up. > > At 12:41 PM 7/25/98 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >chris wendorff: > >>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn > on CD? > > > > > >yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD > > Try CDnow ( http://cdnow.com/) or Music Blvd. (http://www.musicblvd.com/). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (kw) Looking for German Electric Cafe Date: 25 Jul 1998 12:19:46 EDT I am looking for the complete German version of the Electric Cafe album. I would like a cassette copy of it. I have several items for trade. Email me privately if interested. Thank you. David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "aaron" Subject: (kw) German Electric Cafe Date: 25 Jul 1998 12:59:29 -0400 Does anyone know if this is available on CD??? Aaron <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn Date: 25 Jul 1998 18:19:07 -0700 =09 Mode.123 is getting thoroughly hacked-off with the type of e-m such as = the one below. It isn't funny and just clutters up my mailbox. Isn't it = blatently obvious where you buy a CD? Come on, lets stop this list = degenerating into farce. Regards, mode.123 > Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one > up. > > At 12:41 PM 7/25/98 +0100, you wrote: > >chris wendorff: > >>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn > on CD? > >yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nebulous@erols.com Subject: Re: (kw) German Electric Cafe Date: 25 Jul 1998 17:09:56 >Does anyone know if this is available on CD??? Yes indeed. It's EMI CDP 564 7 46420 2. Rather hard to come across in the U.S. though. In fact, it's the only German-language KW disc that I've never seen sold here as an import in America, I had to have mine sent to me direct from Austria. Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com #Kraftwerk, DALnet "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mauricio Gonzalez Subject: RE: (kw) German Electric Cafe Date: 26 Jul 1998 00:50:59 -0400 HI This CD is available. It a EMI CD :-)=20 The code of this CD is CDP 564 7 46420 2 Regards!! Mauricio ---------- De: aaron Enviado el: S=E1bado 25 de Julio de 1998 12:59 PM Para: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com Asunto: (kw) German Electric Cafe Does anyone know if this is available on CD??? Aaron <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) The third song Date: 26 Jul 1998 10:45:00 +0200 Anybody knows what is the title of the third unknown song of the KW at ZKM show? Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) New album + Point for this tour Date: 26 Jul 1998 10:44:48 +0200 Probably there will be no more albums of KW, one obvious reason for this is of course that the world wide crowd had performances by which to judge them. This could surely be the real point of this tour. In this tour KW force to us to consider their silence record not as a indication of cowardice but as another statement of their well proved intelligence. They are unnappealable. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® http://www.interbook.net/personal/kinetik/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 25 Jul 1998 18:31:49 +0100 chris wendorff: >Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one up. always a pleasure ;) >>>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on CD? >>yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " jono" Subject: Re: (kw) German Electric Cafe Date: 25 Jul 1998 18:37:48 +0100 Aaron: >Does anyone know if this is available on CD??? yes, it's still availible and you shouldn't have any trouble getting it as an import. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 26 Jul 1998 11:57:53 +0100 >Mode.123 is getting thoroughly hacked-off with the type of e-m such >as the one below. It isn't funny and just clutters up my mailbox. >Isn't it blatently obvious where you buy a CD? Come on, lets stop >this list degenerating into farce. Perhaps you'd prefer your Inbox to be cluttered with farcical messages inviting offers for imaginary copies of 'techno pop' instead, eh Brian? all the very best, Jon Alsbury. >>>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on CD? >>yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD. > Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one up. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: **************** Subject: RE: (kw) Autobahn Date: 26 Jul 1998 17:02:05 -0700 Mode.123 has never made any claims regarding TechnoPop, let alone = offering 'imaginary copies' of the non-existent album. If anyone knows = where I can obtain a copy I'd be delighted to hear. Why do you refer to = me as Brian? Regards, mode.123 -----Original Message----- Sent: 26 July 1998 03:58 Cc: Kraftwerk List >Mode.123 is getting thoroughly hacked-off with the type of e-m such >as the one below. It isn't funny and just clutters up my mailbox. >Isn't it blatently obvious where you buy a CD? Come on, lets stop >this list degenerating into farce. Perhaps you'd prefer your Inbox to be cluttered with farcical messages inviting offers for imaginary copies of 'techno pop' instead, eh Brian? all the very best, Jon Alsbury. >>>Anyone know where I can get a copy of the long version of Autobahn on = CD? >>yes, go to a record store and buy a copy of 'Autobahn' on CD. > Ok, thanks for the info! I don't think I could have thought that one = up. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) [242RANTS] Kraftwerk live op Studio Brussel (fwd) Date: 26 Jul 1998 21:53:27 +0200 Maybe this could be of some interest to any Belgians on the list... (I can't remember that I've seen this here before, if I'm wrong I apologize in advance.) *** Forwarded message, originally written by Erik De Schepper on 25-Jul-98 *** belangrijk bericht voor alle kraftwerk fans volgende maandag 27/07 tussen 23 en 24 uur live op studio brussel in het programma "liever live": Kraftwerk en Appolo 440. info op www.studiobrussel.be Richard 22 *** End of forwarded message *** -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) New album + Point for this tour Date: 27 Jul 1998 01:38:35 +0200 >Probably there will be no more albums of KW, one obvious reason for this is >of >course that the world wide crowd had performances by which to judge them. >This could surely be the real point of this tour. but it seem that the crowd (and the reviews) reacted very well! so there seem to be an huge market waiting for them! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Knight Subject: (kw) TIME PIE (Recomended By Listmembers) Date: 26 Jul 1998 16:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Hmmmmm...... Been a while since the Detroit Show, The Tour is over......The list has Slowed in the last Few Days....... So Upon recomendation of list members, I purchased "TIME PIE" (Was hard to find locally!)I can say that I've found another CONSTANT PLAY cd..... Wolfgang has made a masterpiece, (IMHO) The blend of rythem & melody Well, I'm Speechless!!! Has anyone noticed that the Bonus track (#11) of "DR. UG.LY" sounds a Little like the Luton Song, slowed down a Bit ?? Favorite Tracks : Stereomatic: Good Rave Tune ! I can see this Remixed So it will Play forever ...I Love the slight take off of "Numbers" at the end (All the voices Mixed into a Frenzy of Speech !) Speechdancer: Smooth ! Light Easy on the ears......Love the melodys & Voices (VOcoder?) Naked Japanese: If I had a Kickin System in my Little Ford, This would be my BASE Antehm! Kickdrums & Phases, Cuts.......Drives my cats NUTS when I play it !!!! If you see this at your record Store,.........BUY IT!!!!!! ******************************************************************************** * June 11th, 1998. State Theater * Eric Knight * * KRAFTWERK * ericknig@sprynet.com * * I was there, I will Never Forget * * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) The Kraftwerk Biography! Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 The new Kraftwerk book appears to be out now. Found at alt.music.dance: > From Duss to Future - The Kraftwerk Biography - only 9.99 > 'Sight & Sound' (U.K. Mail-Order) > e-mail: SimBar1610@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/SimBar1610 > > We can now supply the new in depth Kraftwerk Biography "From Duss to Future" > for only 9.99 + shipping (depending on where you are). > It can be sent Worldwide! Join the many satisfied Customers all over the World! > E-mail us now to reserve/order your copy. > > Steve. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) KW at Roskilde on German TV Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 > 02.20-02.46 Arte Tracks > (VPS: 02:15) [3-684-662], ![7-701-223] > Musiksendung f=FCr Jugendliche > Wiederholung vom 17. Juli > Thema: Roskilde - Das Festival der Superstars > Mitwirkende: Tori Amos, The Verve, Kraftwerk Despite the announcements in the TV guides, it didn't feature any Kraftwerk footage. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "21 Racing Tracks" Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 > as i understood it , there is no official TDF on CD. "Tour de France" is featured on the following official CD releases: a) "Cool Groove Non Stop Blast Mix I" (EMI CDP 538 7 90116 2) b) "DJ's Best" (Ariola 261281-222) > and where can you get the bartos remix of it? this could be one for klaus z... The CD should be available from any record shop. And since it is a Telekom merchandise product, it can be also ordered via the Telekom WWW pages (http://www.telekom.de). The complete tracklisting for this CD can be also found on the Telekom pages. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) MTV Roskilde weekend Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 Found at rec.music.industrial: > I've been watching the MTV Roskilde weekend the other day, > hoping for a bit of live Kraftwerk or even an interview. > Instead, I got 6 hours of drivel, interrupted by 2 minutes > of Roskilde every 15 minutes. Yes, I did get that TEE video > and a 5-second glimpse of The Robots automatic, but I'm > disappointed MTV cannot make more of an event like this than > endless fillers and notations that this veejay spends all his > money on records and is not afraid to experiment with his hair. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) NEU! News Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 Issue 86 of the Dutch fanzine KLEM contains a letter from Michael Rother, who stresses that the two NEU! CD's published on the Captain Trip label ("NEU! 4" and "NEU! '72 live") are illegal and not authorized by himself. He mentions that he is currently having negotiations with Klaus Dinger concerning a re-release of the three original NEU! albums on CD. The same issue also features reviews of Kraftwerk's recent concerts in Linz and Karlsruhe. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Re: coming gigs? Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 Found at alt.music.kraftwerk: > According to MCT (Kraftwerk's Concert Booking Agents) in Berlin the > London gigs story is a complete load of tosh. [...] > The next rumoured shows are thought to be in Australia early 1999 followed by > some more shows across the world later in the year. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) la! NEU? concert Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 la! NEU? played a concert at the Kunsthalle in Duesseldorf last Sunday (19.07.1998), as part of a multimedia event called "Glut". Line up: - Klaus Dinger (vocals, percussion, guitar, piano) - Victoria Wehrmeister (vocals, percussion) - Rembrandt Lensink (piano) - Spinello (guitar) - Renate Dinger (vocals) The've mainly performed material from their forthcoming new album, with one exception: "Time", from the first La Duesseldorf album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 David Davis wrote: > PRECISELY!!! *Journalists* have been *asking* the poor man > incessantly about it! *That's* why it keep appearing in articles, > not because *Ralf* keeps bringing it up. Obviously, making > conversation, Ralf tells them that he does like those old Beach Boys records. Not quite. In fact Florian Schneider mentioned the Beach Boys regulary in his 1975-1976 interviews, when he was asked for his musical preferences/influences. And his statements are relatively in-depth, and not limited to polite phrases a la "I like their records". Examples can be found in Creem 9/1975 ("[The Beach Boys] were a heavy influence, as is obvious from 'Autobahn', although 'we are not aiming so much for the music; it's the psychological structure of someone like the Beach Boys'"), Rock & Folk 111 ("Demandez a Ralph ou Florian quels sont leur gouts musicaux, ils vous repondront aussi bien Chuck Berry que les Beach Boys [...], pour que Florian dise son admiration pour le travail d'un Brian Wilson.") and Rock & Folk 118 (already quoted on this list a few weeks ago). > Yes, Klaus, this is all very well. Here they are merely saying that they > wanted to make music which was as evocative (of Germany) as the Beach > Boys' was of California. Yes. In other words: They strived for the same "artistic" idea as the Beach Boys. This is an aspect where the Beach Boys may have influenced Kraftwerk directly and significantly. > to suggest that the Beach Boys were the first people in the world to make > evocative art Who said this? > and thus, when Kraftwerk wanted to do the same, that they must have been > "copying" them in some way is just silly. "To be influenced" is not necessarily equivalent to "to copy". > And anyway, the American journalists meant much more than this: they > were saying that *the music itself* was derived!? To which articles do you refer exactly? I found a number of US reviews where it was stated that Kraftwerk's approach to melody and harmony is similar to the Beach Boys', but I don't know of any journalists who wrote that Kraftwerk's music on a whole was a mere derivation of Beach Boys songs. > > beachboyesque harmonies used on parts of the "Autobahn" album. > > Klaus, I'm sorry, this really is bollocks! > What "Beachboyesque" harmonies are you talking about, exactly?? Both Kraftwerk and the Beach Boys often used very simple harmonies (major keys, few modulation, simple triads etc.). > The verses to "Autobahn" are sung in UNISON, no harmony at all! I was referring to the orchestration in general, not to the vocals. > Harmony of that sort has been around in western music for many > centuries!! Of course I am not saying that the Beach Boys invented those harmonies. :-) > The one used on Autobahn doesn't sound particularly > derivative of any Beach Boys to me: Other opinions can be found in Eurock 4 (1975), p. 3 ("The entire album brings to mind the instrumental flavor of the Beach Boys' SURF'S UP: echoey reminiscences") and Creem 6/1975, p. 63 ("The melody line even sounds like the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann"). Fred_Harding@idx.com wrote: > It's quite possilbe, (again, just a guess) that > Brian's signature echo or sounds were productional influences on > Kraftwerk? Could be. Brian's studio work is pretty amazing. See, > they don't have to BE a surf band to be influenced by one. Good point! See also Pascal Bussy, "Man, Machine & Music", p. 56: "The Beach Boys' notorious studio marathons and approach to perfection had, and still has, certain similarities with the way Kraftwerk operate." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) TRYLOK-news Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 Found at rec.music.industrial: > Subject: TRYLOK-news > From: "strategy" > > the collaboration between TRYLOK and the german label ZOTH OMMOG > ceased this day. the scheduled and announced album "reliance" will > be delayed until a new partner will be found. > interested labels: please get in touch with us to receive > promotional material and information on TRYLOK. "reliance" features > 14 tracks, including remixes by SABOTAGE and FORMA TADRE and 2 > cover-versions (KRAFTWERK "radioactivity", METALLICA "the > unforgiven"). [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Expose Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 From http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/exponews.html: Expose #15 will be going to the printer the week of 7/27. Highlights of the issue include features on the Baja Prog festival in Mexicali, Kraftwerk, Mickey Simmonds and Patrick Forgas, plus interviews with Michael Brook, XII Alfonso, Cloud Chamber, Stan Whitaker of Happy The Man, Nick Didkovsky of Doctor Nerve, and keyboardist Benoit Widemann, formerly of Magma. Also included are the Expose Writers best of '97 choices, plus Roundtables, New Releases, Archives, and Reissues - Over 240 reviews in all. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Gade" Subject: Re: (kw) KW at Roskilde on German TV Date: 27 Jul 1998 14:13:15 +0200 Sorry to hear that the Kraftwerk concert from Roskilde 98 was cancelled. That concert was absolutely fabulous, all the hits were played, Einz Twei Drei, Autobahn,Boing Boom, Musik( :-) ) Non Stop, Computerwelt (Yes they played the german version, and Mench Machine (also the german version). They played for about an hour, left the stage, and then came back for a massive 90 minute encore. Absolutely great concert. By the way,... My name is Michael Gade, i'm new to this mailing list i include a few words about myself. I'm 27 years old, Live in Copenhagen, Denmark. And I'm looking forward to some nice conversation about our favorit band. All the best Michael Gade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! News Date: 27 Jul 1998 13:16:44 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Issue 86 of the Dutch fanzine KLEM contains a letter from Michael > Rother, who stresses that the two NEU! CD's published on the Captain > Trip label ("NEU! 4" and "NEU! '72 live") are illegal and not > authorized by himself. ANy views on the music on these two? I've never heard them, but I've read some dubious reports. > He mentions that he is currently having negotiations with Klaus > Dinger concerning a re-release of the three original NEU! albums on > CD. But they were already out on Germanofon! I've got all 3 and they're 3 of the best albums I own. "Tempo! Timbre! Taste!" DAVE :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 13:31:39 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Yes, Klaus, this is all very well. Here they are merely saying that they > > wanted to make music which was as evocative (of Germany) as the Beach > > Boys' was of California. > > Yes. In other words: They strived for the same "artistic" idea as > the Beach Boys. This is an aspect where the Beach Boys may have > influenced Kraftwerk directly and significantly. Well, I think we basically agree then. The point I am making is that naive American journalists who knew nothing about electronic music or the avante-garde heard "Autobahn" in 1974/5, thought Kraftwerk were singing "Fun fun fun" in English, and made a wild stab comparison to the Beach Boys that Kraftwerk had gotten their idea of electronic pop music from there, basically because the Beach Boys used a theremin on "Good Vibrations"! This is the sort of silly thing that journalists then put in the opening paragraph of their articles for years to come, and it's a rather daft analysis. Remember how these people work: they are not fans....they may often hardly have heard anything by the band. An editor will say "right, I want a Kraftwerk article on my desk in 2 days time", and so they rush out and listen to their latest record whilst reading a handful of old press clippings. The first thing they often read is that one liner about the BEach Boys, and it's the sort of pseudo-erudite rock-genealogy bullshit that these "critics" love, so in it goes into another article. Basically, all that there is to say is that, yes, when Krafterk were teenagers in the 60s, there wasn't much good pop music around, but one of their favourites were the Beach Boys- they especially liked how evocative their records were. It was one of the pointers to that steered Kraftwerk into wanting to be musical workers as a career. I just don't believe there's any more to it. It really is just one of those things that's been said so many times that people think it's important... a sort of journalistic snowball. DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Bassett Subject: (kw) robotronic Date: 27 Jul 1998 13:32:45 +0100 I`m desperately trying to get hold of a copy of ROBOTRONIK (it was on the flip side of THE ROBOTS single) - preferably on CD but a cassette will do. Can any of you good people help me out? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Gade" Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 15:00:28 +0200 After following this debate for a while, I finally see a statement I can relate to. David davis says... >The point I am making is that naive American journalists who knew nothing >about electronic music or the avante-garde heard "Autobahn" in 1974/5, >thought Kraftwerk were singing "Fun fun fun" in English, and made a wild >stab comparison to the Beach Boys that Kraftwerk had gotten their idea of >electronic pop music from there, basically because the Beach Boys used a >theremin on "Good Vibrations"! I'd have to agree on that. If you listen to the original german versions of the early KW, they bare no resemblence to TBB at all, KW's music is much more minimalistic and experimental (still the early years) while TBB are pure pop. Michael Gade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Poolton Subject: (kw) Ralf Wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 14:25:49 +0100 Michael Gade wrote: >>If you listen to the original german versions of the early KW, they bare no resemblence to TBB at all, KW's music is much more minimalistic and experimental (still the early years) while TBB are pure pop. Now this is where I HAVE to say my piece. BB turned their back on "Pure Pop" as you so quaintly put it. Pet Sounds is constantly referred to as the greatest album of all time AND the inspiration for Sgt Pepper's. Brian (that's Wilson not Modey) delierately turned his back on what was "pop" and subsequently released a commercial duffer that was a real classic. OK I'll shut up now. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU? concert Date: 27 Jul 1998 09:33:25 EDT On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >la! NEU? played a concert at the Kunsthalle in Duesseldorf last >Sunday (19.07.1998), as part of a multimedia event called "Glut". > anyone tape this? thanks, tom w sp: orb in bristol 95 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! News Date: 27 Jul 1998 09:33:25 EDT On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >Issue 86 of the Dutch fanzine KLEM contains a letter from Michael >Rother, who stresses that the two NEU! CD's published on the Captain >Trip label ("NEU! 4" and "NEU! '72 live") are illegal and not >authorized by himself. so now they are gonna go to war with captain trip also? pretty soon neu! will have to release their music via their basement...wackos... tom w np: orb in bristol 1995 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron Subject: Re: (kw) I found a mixing error on the 12" Single The Telephone Call Date: 14 Jul 1998 10:58:51 -0400 Most definitely. I always wondered that myself. This was one of my favorite records when I was at the radio station... I would play it every night as my last song so I must have listened to it a couple hundred times. Yes, it's petty, but damnit it's nice to see that someone else noticed that. I had forgotten about that until you brought it up. You see, that record is still at the station, and I, am not. :) I haven't heard that thing in forever. Aaron > Has anyone else ever noticed there is a mixing error on the 12" The > Telephone Call LP? > > On the B-side, on the single "House Phone", there is an error. It > occurs during the second verse of the female voice saying, "The number > you have reached has been disconnected." > > What actually happens is... just a split second before the verse is > spoken you can hear the women's voice for a split second start the > verse early. So what you actually hear is... "Th... The number you > have reached has been disconnected." How could Kraftwerk let be > pressed and distributed, in the past this type of error would have > surely delayed the LP's release by at least 6 months. =) > > I know it sounds petty, but it seemed "awkward" for a band who seems > to strive for such perfection. And, it is an obvious error, and any > true Kraftwerk fan can easily identify it and hear, some friends of > mine who are not Kraftwerk fans, and don't know their songs inside and > out like most fans said they couldn't tell a difference, but it's > there. > > I was just curious if anyone else ever noticed this. > > Norman > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) mini meet-MINI LOVE PARADE Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 Found at mini-list@autox.team.net: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- MINI LOVE PARADE Mini Meeting Event in London at the 1st of sep. 1998 at the Chelsea College of Art & Design, Bagleys Lane, SW1V 2PT. Will Backhouse ( Mini Lover) are looking for Mini Drivers, who would like to take part in our project Description of the project MINI LOVE PARADE The Mini Love Parade draws on the tradition of Mini meetings (e.g. The Italian Job Run ) to instigate a unique event. The concept for our MINI LOVE PARADE is to invite Mini's (and their owners) to meet on the occasion of the end of year exhibition at Chelsea College of Art and design. At the meet each Mini owner will be given an audio cassette. Each cassette will have its own music loop (derived from "Autobahn" a song by German band Kraftwerk from 1974) which when played simultaneously will re-mix the song-each Mini becoming a part of a mini orchestra. Other ideas, are in discussion. If you have an idea which could turn the MINI LOVE PARADE into something exciting and unforgettable (as well as taking part as a mini owner) we would be very happy to hear form you. If you require further information or would like to join our project, (either by contributing ideas or by being present with your mini) Please contact me. Simone P.S the 1st of Sept. is quite close! -- simone@athomas.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) (Fwd) Komputer Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:47:36 +0000 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- This is a message to all Kraftwerk fans out there ! Have you already heard about Komputer ? No ? Interested ? "Komputer is to Kraftwerk what Oasis is to the Beatles" Komputer=B4s new Album "The world of tomorrow" is out on Mute Recor= ds since June 1st, 1998. A new single "terminus" with remixes by Cosmic Baby and Westbam wiil be out mid of August. They will tour the continent extensively in September / October 1998 Are you ready for some "future-nostalgia" ? For more information and tourdates contact : norbert.brendel@intercord.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim Subject: (kw) DMX Krew Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:12:13 +0000 Sorry if I'm a little behind the times, but does anyone know about the DMX Krew releases on Gigilo records? The showroom dummies remix where all the vocals are vocoded & faster beats etc... was this KlingKlang approved or are they just being cheeky? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) (Fwd) The Kraftwerk Biography! Date: 27 Jul 1998 14:09:23 +0100 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Klaus Zaepke Sent: 27 July 1998 13:48 i spoke to the author at the weekend and he told me the book is published in september... chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: The NEU! albums on Captain Trip (was: Re: (kw) NEU! News) Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:37:04 +0000 > > Issue 86 of the Dutch fanzine KLEM contains a letter from Michael > > Rother, who stresses that the two NEU! CD's published on the Captain > > Trip label ("NEU! 4" and "NEU! '72 live") are illegal and not > > authorized by himself. > > ANy views on the music on these two? I've never heard them, but I've > read some dubious reports. A good review of the "NEU! 4" album was published in isssue 8 of the Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet. AFAIR it was once posted to this list and might be somewhere in the archives. Musically, the album is closer to the La Duesseldorf / Neondian material than to the first three NEU! albums. The "NEU! '72 live" album is in fact not live, it was recorded at a rehearsal. The recording was left unedited, so the (improvised) music is often interrupted, and there are quite a lot of backgroud noises audible. The sound quality is not professional. > > He mentions that he is currently having negotiations with Klaus > > Dinger concerning a re-release of the three original NEU! albums on > > CD. > > But they were already out on Germanofon! These Germanofon CD's were illegal bootlegs, mastered from vinyl. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU? concert Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:37:04 +0000 > >la! NEU? played a concert at the Kunsthalle in Duesseldorf last > >Sunday (19.07.1998), as part of a multimedia event called "Glut". > > > anyone tape this? thanks, I've got a tape, but it has some faults. Please mail me privately for a detailed description. I'd like to trade it for a tape from la! NEU?'s 1996 Japan tour, or for Kraftwerk stuff. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! News Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:37:04 +0000 > >Issue 86 of the Dutch fanzine KLEM contains a letter from Michael > >Rother, who stresses that the two NEU! CD's published on the Captain > >Trip label ("NEU! 4" and "NEU! '72 live") are illegal and not > >authorized by himself. > > so now they are gonna go to war with captain trip also? Only 50 % of them (Michael Rother). The problem is that these albums consist of more ("NEU! 4") or less ("NEU! '72 live") finished demo material, which Klaus Dinger offered to Captain Trip without asking for Michael Rother's permission. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:37:04 +0000 > The point I am making is that naive American journalists who knew nothing > about electronic music or the avante-garde heard "Autobahn" in 1974/5, > thought Kraftwerk were singing "Fun fun fun" in English, and made a wild > stab comparison to the Beach Boys that Kraftwerk had gotten their > idea of electronic pop music from there I've checked quite a number of US articles and "Autobahn" reviews from 1975, and I've got the impression that the whole story of US journalists thinking that Kraftwerk were singing "Fun, fun, fun" is just a myth. Many of these reviews contain a translation of the verse in question, and it is always translated accurately as "We drive, drive, drive on the Autobahn". Parallels to the Beach Boys were often drawn, and similiarities regarding harmonies and melodies were sometimes noted, but it was never said that Kraftwerk were actually copying the Beach Boys. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) NEU! News Date: 27 Jul 1998 17:52:39 +0100 Klaus: >> He mentions that he is currently having negotiations with Klaus >> Dinger concerning a re-release of the three original NEU! albums on >> CD. Dave: > But they were already out on Germanofon! I've got all 3 and they're 3 of > the best albums I own. I'm in total agreement there -- they're great albums, but like the Kraftwerk albums on Germanofon, they are completely unauthorised bootleg releases. jon alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: Re: (kw) Autobahn Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:01:36 +0100 Brian Gaze AKA mode.123: > Mode.123 has never made any claims regarding TechnoPop, let alone offering > 'imaginary copies' of the non-existent album. If anyone knows where I can > obtain a copy I'd be delighted to hear. Why do you refer to me as Brian? oh come on Brian, don't be so childish. The true identity of "mode.123" has been suspected for many months and I now have incontrovertible proof, so why not earn yourself some respect my friend and just admit it! best regards, jon alsbury. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) (Fwd) Komputer Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:21:53 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > From: norbert.brendel@intercord.de > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 18:52:32 +0100 > Subject: Komputer > > > This is a message to all Kraftwerk fans out there ! > "Komputer is to Kraftwerk what Oasis is to the Beatles" Could there be a more damning criticism? DAVE ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: The NEU! albums on Captain Trip (was: Re: (kw) NEU! News) Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:26:00 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > A good review of the "NEU! 4" album was published in isssue 8 of the > Kraftwerk fanzine Aktivitaet. AFAIR it was once posted to this list > and might be somewhere in the archives. The archives do not appear to be indexed in any way (not even rough dates)... I've found it impossible to search for anything in them. > These Germanofon CD's were illegal bootlegs, mastered from vinyl. That's what I suspected. However, I bought mine in Virgin Music! They even ordered "Neu!" & "Neu! 2" for me specially! When I asked the sales assistant "but aren't these bootlegs?" he just looked at me witheringly and said "No" DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Davis Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf wilson & Brian Hutter Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:28:26 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > The point I am making is that naive American journalists who knew nothing > > about electronic music or the avante-garde heard "Autobahn" in 1974/5, > > thought Kraftwerk were singing "Fun fun fun" in English, and made a wild > > stab comparison to