From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 11:44:32 +0000 "Arnaud de Bonald" wrote: >Is there somewhere on the Web a site dedicated to Conny Plank. I searched for one some weeks ago, without success. His name crops up on web pages here and there, such as one for Kluster/Cluster, http://www.rcww.com/curious/history2.htm. >I'd like to know much on him, what did he do after producing KW, etc... He produced many bands after Kraftwerk, including D.A.F.; he was one third of "Moebius - Plank - Neumeier", who had an album called 'Zero Set' (IMO this sounds a little like DAF in places, in terms of percussive style etc). >After all, he was very important on KW's early days and my feeling is that he >was a very skilled music enginer/producer. There's no doubt about that, and it's a shame that there's apparently no-one who is sufficiently knowledgeable and enthusiastic to construct a website dedicated to his work. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 13:11:54 +0000 From http://www.scorpweb.simplenet.com/faq/producers.htm : "Conny Plank He gave the Scorpions their first break. He produced their first album, Lonesome Crow. I don't know any more about him." OK, nobody's perfect. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 08:56:50 EST he produced a few Ultravox albums as well. So that kinda atones for the Scorpions. Well.... almost. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 01 Dec 1998 14:01:23 +0100 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > > Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? > > > It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. > > > > The original soundtrack features "Technopop". The record label is Mercury=20 > /Polygram. >=20 > Yes, but apparently it is not the original Kraftwerk track, it's by > Carter Burwell. Is this a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or > is it a completely different composition? Unfortunately I don't know the answer, but yesterday I saw the CD and it doesn't contain the song, therefore it have to be only in the film soundtrack. Does anyone listen the song? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Karl Bartos vs. Komputer Date: 01 Dec 1998 14:01:50 +0100 M=E5ns Sj=F6strand wrote: >Kotta wrote: >> >> Klaus wrote: >>>...like a guitar version of "The Model", perhaps. >> >> That's been done already by the Swedish hardcore band 'Teddybears'. >> A video was made so I assume that they even released it as a single. >No, it was "The Robots", not "The Model". The Swedish hardcore-band called Teddybears Sthlm have made a cover of "The Robots", and they also perform "The Model" when playing live. I think, but maybe I could be wrong. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jose Corchado Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 08:10:14 -0600 (CST) > "Arnaud de Bonald" wrote: > > >Is there somewhere on the Web a site dedicated to Conny Plank. > >I'd like to know much on him, what did he do after producing KW, etc... > > Kevin Busby wrote: > > He produced many bands after Kraftwerk, including D.A.F.; he was one third of > "Moebius - Plank - Neumeier", who had an album called 'Zero Set' (IMO this > sounds a little like DAF in places, in terms of percussive style etc). Moebius-Plank also released a couple of albums with Eno and Roedelius (Eno-Moebius-Roedelius-Planck). I saw one of them at cd-now a couple of months ago. I own the first one, something like "Begegnungen" (I'm sure I spelled it wrong, but I hope you get the idea) and Neumeier also appeared in there. Great album in my opinion. I heard he died a few years ago, but I'm not sure about that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) The Model cover version Date: 01 Dec 1998 15:18:33 +0100 Zipi wrote: >Some years ago, a spanish band called "Ni=F1os del Brasil" made a cover >of "The model" in which they included a spanish guitar solo. Yes, the lyrics of this version of "The Model", titled "La Modelo" as thu= s: La veo en su cuarto cada anochecer me atrae mirarla hasta enloquecer, los hombres para ella simplemente son humildes esclavos de su ambici=F3n. Se queda encendida mi televisi=F3n, lleno con insultos su contestador an=F3nimos mensajes, desesperaci=F3n, su voz suena tan fr=EDa, ritmo de motor. Ya no miro ventanas cada anochecer no hay fiestas, no hay chicas ni nada que ver tengo lo que quiero, simplemente es tendido su cuerpo siempre a mis pies. Translate: I see her in her room every night I'm tempted by her sight until I drive mad, the men for her simply are low slaves of her ambition. my television stays on, I full with insults her answering machine anonimous menssages, desperation, her voice sounds so cold, engine rhythm. I don't look windows every night yet there aren't parties, there aren't girls either nothing to see I have what I want, it's simply lying down her body always at my feet. Lyrics in Spanish: Santi Rex (from Los Ni=F1os del Brasil) Translation: Der Automat Also the pioneer techno Spanish band El Aviador Dro y Sus Obreros Especializados -or Aviador Dro for short-, in their early years did a liv= e version of "The Model", titled "La Modelo", with lyrics in Spanish. This could easily be the oldest recorded cover of "The Model", which El Aviado= r Dro have almost always played live at their concerts since 1979. A live version of Aviador Dro's "La Modelo", recorded in 1994, is available on: CD: "Cyberiada" (Lollipop LOL CD 085, Jul. 1997) and CDsingle: "Nestor el Cyborg" (Lollipop LOL MX 087, Sep 1997), and a studio version of this son= g will be available on "Vano Temporal" (Lollipop) since January 1999. There's also a cover version of "The Model" by the band Interfront (Megabeat), from Barcelona. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 14:43:44 +0000 >> "Arnaud de Bonald" wrote: >I heard he died a few years ago, but I'm not sure about that. Yes, that's right (I didn't even think to mention it, sorry). According to the Cluster site I mentioned before, he died in December 1987 (that sounds right). KB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 01 Dec 1998 16:23:34 +0100 It's definetly a different composition - there's no music in the film that's even close to KW. /Joakim -----Original Message----- Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Yes, but apparently it is not the original Kraftwerk track, it's by > Carter Burwell. Is this a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or > is it a completely different composition? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re:Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 01:41:21 PST <> -Don=B4t know <> Conny Plank was a very big name in the so-called Neue Deutsche Welle=20 (New german wave), in the early eighties, and he produced a lot of other=20 bands including; -D.A.F -Liaisons Dangereuses -Palais Schaumburg -i think he also produced Einsturzende Neubauten, at some time, but this=20 might not be true He was on of the people who started this (sometimes) electronic=20 music-style. If you=B4re interested in NDW, i recommend you to look for=20 anything played or produced by Conny Plank, Andreas Dorau, Holger=20 Hiller, Peter Shilling, Kurt Dahlke or Chrislo Haas Good luck and enjoy! Peder ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Werkianos da Cidade de Sao Paulo Date: 01 Dec 1998 05:39:10 PST This is for the werker of Sao Paulo City - Brazil Caros werkianos, neste sabado 05/12/1998, no Sesc Santo Amaro , no festival mundao, sera realizado apresentacoes das bandas de musica eletronica: RAM Factor. Loop B, Scanner ( de Londres ) e Laura Finochiaro, sendo que sou amigo de alguns deles, e digo que e bem legal, e um bom momento ja que e fim de ano, marcarmos de nos encontrar por la para alem de nos conhecermos, prestigiarmos a cena eletronica nacional, e garanto que alem de nos da lista, teremos outros inumoers fans do Kraftwerk por la, incluindo uma centena de amigos meus que estarao por la. Gostaria de que todos fossem, a ideia partiu do Nicolau Centola, e fiquei empolgado, sendo assim convido a todos fazerem o possivel para qie fossemos pra la sabado, voces devem conferir no site www.sescsp.com.br, os locais mais convenientes para voces retirarem seus convites ( gratuitos ) . Aguardo a resposta, e podemos sugerir um ponto de encontro ok !!!!!! Aguardo a todos !! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Nous Allons Danser Date: 01 Dec 1998 19:32:04 +0100 >In my limited knowledge of German, may I assume that Tanzmusik from the R&F album means "Dance Music"? That's correct. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 12:44:46 >>Is there somewhere on the Web a site dedicated to Conny Plank. > >I searched for one some weeks ago, without success. His name >crops up on web pages here and there, such as one for Kluster/ >Cluster, >http://www.rcww.com/curious/history2.htm. Plank was also a definitive part of Neu! (Rother/Dinger formerly of Kraftwerk). Here's a good article on Neu! and 'krautrock' in general: http://www.shmooze.net/exclaim/features/9802/nf/3txt.htm I highly recommend all 3 Neu! albums. They seem to suddenly be readily available on cd all of the sudden. Rother also wrote a nice tribute to Plank in the liner notes of the "A Homage to Neu!" tribute cd recently released by Cleopatra Records earlier this year (also recommended) ... Oh, and hi! I'm new to the list ... markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) -Liaisons Dangereuses Date: 01 Dec 1998 10:59:12 PST -Liaisons Dangereuses ( Los Ninos del Parque ) A great success here in brazil in the eighties, and Pu et Pas too, on the underground scene, I have a live show in video of this band !! Great remember ! |>------------------------------<| |>-- The Sintetik Way Of Life --<|>--------------------< |>------------------------------<|> Ricardo Cassolatto < |>--< sintetik@hotmail.com >--<|> SAO PAULO - BRAZIL < |>------------------------------<|>--------------------< |>-----< Musik Non Stop >-------<| |>------------------------------<| ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: re: FW: (kw) Nous Allons Danser Date: 01 Dec 1998 17:39:34 +0100 >Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:26:14 -0500 >From: William Dobiesz >Subject: FW: (kw) Nous Allons Danser > >German) "Wir gehen jetzt tanzen. Gute Nacht" >means "Now we are going dancing. Good Night." > >In my limited knowledge of German, may I assume that Tanzmusik from the R&F >album means "Dance Music"? This is absolutely correct. German and English are so similar, aren't they ? best Regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neal Prime" Subject: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 01 Dec 1998 12:42:24 PST There are some good passages on Conny Plank in "Kraftwerk: From Dusseldorf To The Future (With Love) by Tim Barr, also in the Bussy book. A good place to look might be at the John Foxx site called - I think - The Garden and also it may be worth a search under Zeus B Held who produced Gina X but was originally a disciple of Plank. Maybe we should all make an effort to pool our information and someone with Web space could put up the re ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) la! NEU?: Gold Regen / Year of the Tiger Date: 02 Dec 1998 00:02:01 +0000 The two new la! NEU? CD's "Gold Regen (Gold Rain)" (Captain Trip, CTCD-123) and "Year of the Tiger" (Captain Trip, CTCD-124) are now also available as German imports via Indigo. Catalogue numbers: "Gold Regen (Gold Rain)": fuenfundvierzig / Indigo 86442. "Year of the Tiger": fuenfundvierzig / Indigo 86452. Further details: a) "Gold Regen (Gold Rain)": Tracklisting: 01. Zeeland Wunderbar 02. Rembrandt + Viktoria 03. Langsam, bewegt, aber nicht traurig / Langzaam, geraakt maar niet verdrietig / Slowly, moved, but not sad 04. Strathomaso 05. Where is the geiger 06. Shakesbeer / Shakesbier 07. Dinger Brothers mit Remmi + Wicki 08. How could I not be 09. Light blue intermezzo 10. Langeweg 27 Mai 11. Klaus + Wicki 12. Comme nuages dans le ciel Line up: - Renate Dinger - Thomas Dinger - Rembrandt Lensink - Viktoria Wehrmeister - Klaus Dinger / Nikolaus van Rhein b) "Year of the Tiger" Tracklisting: 01. Intro (with Blue Point Underground) 02. Autoportrait Rembrandt mit Viktoria + Apache 03. Notre Dame Line up: - Ruediger Elze (Spinello) - Klaus Dinger - Viktoria Wehrmeister - Rembrandt Lensink The liner notes on the cover mention a forthcoming (or is it already out?) CD release by Blue Point Underground, one of the current projects of the former Kraftwerk / NEU! member Eberhard Kranemann: Blue Point Underground: "BPU in N. Y. City" (Captain Trip). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Michael Rother Interview pt. 2 Date: 02 Dec 1998 00:02:01 +0000 The December issue of the German magazine Oldie Markt is out, featuring the second part of a discographic NEU! / Cluster / Harmonia / La Duesseldorf / la! NEU? article, incl. an interview with Michael Rother. Rother mentions that he's got a very good offer for releasing new NEU! material, but he's afraid that his personal problems with Klaus Dinger will prevent a NEU! reunion. > From: mark weddle > > I highly recommend all 3 Neu! albums. They seem to suddenly be > readily available on cd all of the sudden. They're all bootlegs. A legal reissue of the old NEU! albums on CD is blocked by the personal differences between Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 01 Dec 1998 19:52:24 -0500 (EST) The original soundtrack features "Technopop". The record label is >Mercury >> /Polygram. Yes, but apparently it is not the original Kraftwerk track, it's by >> Carter Burwell. Is this a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or >> is it a completely different composition? "Technopop" by Carter Burwell is not a KW cover. i have the soundtrack and if somebody wants to load the song on their website i can make that person a copy. i can't record on my computer, my .wav recorder is broken. e-mail me if you want the song. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU?: Gold Regen / Year of the Tiger Date: 02 Dec 1998 01:35:21 At 12:02 AM 12/2/98 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > >The two new la! NEU? CD's "Gold Regen (Gold Rain)" (Captain >Trip, CTCD-123) and "Year of the Tiger" (Captain Trip, CTCD-124) >are now also available as German imports via Indigo. Any idea how these are? I'm just now beginning to build a 'krautrock' collection so any suggestions on material from Dinger, Rother, etc would be much appreciated ... And, while I'm at it, how about the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? I don't own or have heard them. I've read descriptions of them in the "Dusseldorf To The Future" book, so I do know that they are quite different in terms of instrumentation, but are they worth my while anyways? thanks, markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: Re: (kw) Michael Rother Interview pt. 2 Date: 02 Dec 1998 01:39:30 At 12:02 AM 12/2/98 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote in reply: >> I highly recommend all 3 Neu! albums. They seem to suddenly be >> readily available on cd all of the sudden. > >They're all bootlegs. A legal reissue of the old NEU! albums on CD >is blocked by the personal differences between Klaus Dinger and >Michael Rother. Yes, I had read that somewhere too. Do you know who put these out? There's no label information whatsoever on the inserts. They do sound good though ... Since I really love the 3 Neu! albums, are there any other albums in particular that I should be checking into by other 'krautrock' bands? markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gekn@ebifsol9.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerd Knochenhauer) Subject: Re: (kw) Karl Bartos vs. Komputer Date: 02 Dec 1998 09:47:11 +0100 A Slovenian Band called Demolition Group has also made a version of The Model using guitars. It is to be found on the CD 'Trans Slovenien Express' and I think they've done a wonderful job. Every time I listen to it I have to smile. And the cover version of some japanese band on 'Musique Non Stop' uses guitars too albeit the sound is 'softer' than that of the Demolition Group. Nice version too: the japanese lyrics sound funny. Gerd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 02 Dec 1998 12:49:12 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > Conny Plank produced many bands after Kraftwerk, including D.A.F.; he w= as > one third of "Moebius - Plank - Neumeier", who had an album called 'Zer= o Set' (IMO >this sounds a little like DAF in places, in terms of percussive style etc). For the first time have been released on CD two works by Kluster recorded in 1970-1971. Kluster was formed by Conrad Schnitzler, Hans-Joachim Roedelius and Dieter Moebius. Beside the original LPs, each CD includes as a bonus track an excerpt of about 15 minutes of a concert of Cluster & Farnbauer = in 1980 totally unpublished until now. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Telex Date: 02 Dec 1998 15:26:29 +0100 Telex, the veteran Belgian band of synth-pop at the KRAFTWERK style, jus= t have released a maxi-single of remixes of their first big hit "Moscow Diskow" (SSR) -originally produced in 1978- by present techno masters of the quality of Carl Craig (two mixes) and Jay Denham. This track is included in the album entitled "I don't like remixes" (2LP/CD), with other 20 remixes of their songs by djs and acts as Deep Dish, Shake, Buckfunk 3000, Auto Repeat, Ian O'Brien, I:Cube, 20/20 Vision, Glenn Underground, Le Tone, Dr. Rockit, etc. Soon re-editions on CD of their original albums will also see the light. "Woman Quality" CD (Pharma, 1998) by Kerosene contains electro, robotic voices and analogic sounds. The Antonelli Electro -from Duesseldorf and linked to Kreidler- "Peng Pe= ng Baby" CD/2LP has an unmistakable synthetic repetitive touch of electronic pop that has always characterized the sound of the town of KRAFTWERK. Dynamic Bass System's 12" published by Gigolo features four tracks of electro-bass with samplers of "Computer World". Oil 10 "In-Out" (Oblique Soundscapes / Noise Museum) CD is pure electron= ic minimalist rhythmical music, inspired in the robotic and mechanical Germa= n music more "classic" of the bands from the 70's that stablished the bases of the techno (Kraftwerk, Kluster). DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) KRAUTROCK Date: 02 Dec 1998 03:29:05 PST You wrote; <> -I=B4d recommend that you should try and find albums made by Faust or=20 Gong, or maybe my own personal Kraut-favourites; Amon Duul II,=20 (originally spelt with german u), AD II, is quite different from the=20 others, but if you like Kraut, you=B4ll love AD II. Regarding buying the three first KW albums, my definite answer would be;=20 Yes, not so much for the music on them though, but more because they are=20 the kind of albums you got to have. Bye, Peder ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) KRAUTROCK Date: 02 Dec 1998 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Peder Livijn wrote: > Regarding buying the three first KW albums, my definite answer would be; > Yes, not so much for the music on them though, but more because they are > the kind of albums you got to have. If you like Neu!, I'd think you will like the early KW, particularly as one of KW's early members was Michael Rother. Also, I for one happen to think that all of the early albums have considerable merit. I listen to "Ralf & Florian" just as much as the later ones; it's not that much different in style from "Autobahn." KW2 is a good album, anticipating Eno & ambient music, and every KW fan needs to own "Ruckzuck" from KW1 (and I think many of KW1's other tracks could qualify as industrial). In short, KW's early albums are unjusifiably ignored! ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "Under what rule did you shoot them?" Student Services, "I'll tell you what rule we applied. We The University of Michigan applied rule .303! We caught them, and LS&A Honors Program shot them, under rule .3-0-3, SIR!" http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ --Breaker Morant including The Colin Wilson Page # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: re: (kw) Krautrock Date: 02 Dec 1998 11:30:32 -0500 >From: "John B. Morgan" >If you like Neu!, I'd think you will like the early KW, particularly as >one of KW's early members was Michael Rother. Just to clarify: yes, Michael Rother was an early member of Kraftwerk. No, he does not appear on any of their albums. As for other Krautrock bands, I'll second Amon Duul II, at least the first dozen or so albums. Amon Duul is noisier than Amon Duul II, except for _Paradieswarts Duul_, which is a great "floaty" album. Beware of Amon Duul albums that list Dave Anderson in the credits, but definately buy _Yeti_ by Amon Duul II where he plays bass. Which leads us to Hawkwind whom Dave also played bass for. Dave Brock, the leader of Hawkwind, wrote the liner notes for the first Neu! album, and there's a track on their _Warriors On The Edge Of Time_ album that is the best Neu! tribute this side of Stereolab. (-8 If you don't mind the Swedish vocals, Cosmic Overdose sounds an awful lot like Amon Duul II. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Petersen Jens Bang jbp" Subject: RE:(kw) Telex Date: 02 Dec 1998 18:35:12 +0100 Der=20Automat:=0D >Telex,=20the=20veteran=20Belgian=20band=20of=20synth-pop=20at=20the=20= KRAFTWERK=20style,=20just=0D >have=20released=20a=20maxi-single=20of=20remixes=20of=20their=20first=20= big=20hit=20"Moscow=0D >Diskow"=20(SSR)=20-originally=20produced=20in=201978-=20by=20present=20= techno=20masters=20of=0D >the=20quality=20of=20Carl=20Craig=20(two=20mixes)=20and=20Jay=20Denham= .=20This=0D >track=20is=20included=20in=20the=20album=20entitled=20"I=20don't=20lik= e=20remixes"=20(2LP/CD),=0D >with=20other=2020=20remixes=20of=20their=20songs=20by=20djs=20and=20ac= ts=20as=20Deep=20Dish,=20Shake,=0D >Buckfunk=203000,=20Auto=20Repeat,=20Ian=20O'Brien,=20I:Cube,=2020/20=20= Vision,=20Glenn=0D >Underground,=20Le=20Tone,=20Dr.=20Rockit,=20etc.=20Soon=0D >re-editions=20on=20CD=20of=20their=20original=20albums=20will=20also=20= see=20the=20light.=0D >=0D AFAIK=20in=20Denmark=20Telex=20has=20not=20released=20a=202cd=20-=20ins= tead=20there's=20two=20albums:=20"I=20=0D don't=20like=20remixes"=20-=20a=20best=20of=20album,=20and=20"I=20don't= =20like=20music"=20-=20a=20remix=20album.=0D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) CDs and VIDEOS for trade or sale Date: 02 Dec 1998 17:01:17 -0200 Hi. If you dont recieved others messages mine, here is : I have the Tribal Gathering concert ´97 on CD-R for sale, but, I prefer SWAP by others itens of KRAFTWERK, TANGERINE DREAM, GARY NUMAN and JEAN MICHEL JARRE. I have, too, VIDEOS of KRAFTWERK (recorded during the MIX TOUR - 91/92) If interested, please, contact me privately. HAPPY CHRISTMAS !!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 02 Dec 1998 11:35:17 +0100 > Plank was also a definitive part of Neu! (Rother/Dinger formerly > of Kraftwerk). Here's a good article on Neu! and 'krautrock' in > general: > I highly recommend all 3 Neu! albums. They seem to suddenly be > readily available on cd all of the sudden. What kind of music Neu! did? Thank you. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Date: 02 Dec 1998 18:49:32 -0500 I read the Kraftwerk article in Spin magazine last Summer and reference was made to a Drag Queen who did cover versions of Krafterk on piano. Anybody know anything about this? worth getting? Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk covers Date: 02 Dec 1998 18:36:57 -0500 > I read the Kraftwerk article in Spin magazine last Summer and > reference was made to a Drag Queen who did cover versions of Krafterk > on piano. Anybody know anything about this? worth getting? Is Terre Thaemlitz a drag queen? I don't know if he is, but I do know that he did some piano versions of Kraftwerk songs on an album called _Die_Roboter_Rubato_ (Mille Plateaux). However, it is very important to point out that these are not really cover versions of the songs in the strictest sense. Rather, they are abstract-piano-style interpretations of Kraftwerk themes. The "rubato," according to the liner notes (which are very long and pretentious), is a "[m]usic performance that does not adhere to a strict sense of time," which, when you think about it, is almost diametrically opposite to what Kraftwerk usually does (at least since _Radio-Activity_) So basically, the familiar melodies are really jumping-off points for some semi-random, semi-rhythmic improvisation. And in a couple of the tunes, I couldn't find very much of the "originals" at all. Also, there is no vocal at all, and the piano is the only instrument on this CD. I liked it, but I wouldn't call it a "must-have" for a Kraftwerk fan. -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation Is it supposed to http://www.newsedge.com sound like that? http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk covers Date: 02 Dec 1998 19:12:17 -0500 If you have RealAudio, you can hear a clip of "Tour de France" from Terre Thaemlitz' _Die_Roboter_Rubato_ at the web site he maintains for his own label, Comatonse Records. http://www.comatonse.com/soundfiles/index.html There's a link to it right about the middle of the page. If you want to read the ultra-pretentious liner notes to the album, go to: http://www.comatonse.com/listening/rubato.html -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation Is it supposed to http://www.newsedge.com sound like that? http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: (kw) 1, 2, R&F Date: 03 Dec 1998 01:17:19 Anyone know of a cheap(er) source for the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? The cheapest I've found so far is $14.99 apiece in the States (where I am) ... Thanks for all the 'krautrock' suggestions ... markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) OT, add n to x, suicide Date: 02 Dec 1998 05:17:24 +0100 hello, a friend of mine asked me if I know the group Add n to x, if I understood weel, because he was told them to be "the new Kraftwerk, only tougher". apparently they supported Suicide in their most recent tour, so it said on a sticker over a cd case this friend of mine saw. somebody knows those guys, and what is the most recent tour of Suicide you know? maybe it's better that you answer me privately. if only these groups made a cover of K... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 02 Dec 1998 05:10:19 +0100 >no-one who is sufficiently knowledgeable and enthusiastic to construct a >website dedicated to his work. anyway he was a very quiet character and preferred not to expose himself a lot, like R&F, isn't it? I don't remember having ever seen a picture of him in the specialized papers... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) KRAUTROCK Date: 03 Dec 1998 09:39:31 +0100 (CET) On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:57:07 -0500 (EST), John B. Morgan wrote: >KW's early albums are unjusifiably ignored! I totally agree. However, I woudn't say the same for the Organisation Tone Float. This one sounds totally outmoded and have not main musical concept. I'm happy to own it just because I'm a KW fan but it's really not interesting. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) 30 year: just another rumour from an unreliable source Date: 03 Dec 1998 11:24:33 +0000 how do you call in english the event when you celebrate 30 year from something? in italian it would be "trentennale", I don't know if you have a specific word for it. anyway, an K enthusiast but usually unreliable friend of mine heard on a national radio-tv circuit, TMC2-Coloradio, that 1999 will see a huge comeback of big 80's electro band: between others, Propaganda, Art of Noise and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk, according to these unreliable rumours, will release a record to celebrate their 30 years of activity, or better, I'll add, the 30th year from their first release: we would not call activity the last ten year, wouldn't we? :-) I am sorry to be not able to confirm: I don't watch tv and I don't catch this radio, but other italian fellows may have heard of it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zipi" Subject: (kw) Do u want a cheap vocoder? Date: 03 Dec 1998 13:02:35 +0100 Hey Boyz, Here you'll find a great vocoder soft: http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~clark/cylonix.html Ciao # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) la! NEU?: Gold Regen / Year of the Tiger Date: 03 Dec 1998 08:50:59 -0500 And, while I'm at it, how about the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? I don't own or have heard them. I've read descriptions of them=20 in the "Dusseldorf To The Future" book, so I do know that they=20 are quite different in terms of instrumentation, but are they=20 worth my while anyways? Since you've read about them, I'll spare the details, but they are = records no Kraftwerk fan should be without. My personal favourite is = KW2, followed by R&F then KW1, although I feel that it's almost like KW1 = & KW2 were made by a similar but different group (like Komputer is to = KW's later style). Bill Dobiesz Warren, MI, USA np: Herbie Hancock - Rockit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) 1, 2, R&F Date: 03 Dec 1998 09:03:47 -0500 Anyone know of a cheap(er) source for the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? The cheapest I've found so far is $14.99 apiece in the States (where I am) ... That's about what any other CDs are going for, so I'd say go for it. = When I bought my KW1, I paid $35 for it I did get my KW2 for $7 = used. What is the source you mention? Do they have Tone Float or Autobahn at = that price? I'd certainly pay that. Bill Dobiesz Warren, MI, USA np: Silver Apples - You And I (1997 version) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) early albums Date: 03 Dec 1998 18:19:57 +0100 Mmm...!! The early Kraftwerk albums are golden pieces not to be forgotten! "Ruckzuck" from KW is one of my favourite Kraftwerk pieces, actually. I think that the Tone Float album also has some good pieces, Silver Forest for example. Actually, to my mind the new songs played live by KW during recent tours has something of the more improvised early times about them but in a modern setting, don't you think? Finally, why buying these albums on CD only, shouldn't we as real fans have the original LPs?:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: Re: FW: (kw) 1, 2, R&F Date: 03 Dec 1998 06:49:26 +0000 >Anyone know of a cheap(er) source for the first 3 Kraftwerk >albums? The cheapest I've found so far is $14.99 apiece in >the States (where I am) ... There is now a 2CD bootleg featuring 1,2, R+F, plus live material from the Concert Classic album. Don't know where to get it from but it's a cheap and easy way of plugging teh holes. Obviously, the sound quality is great.. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tg97 Subject: (kw) Kraftworld updated Date: 03 Dec 1998 21:22:43 -0200 Just now I added six newspapers articles about KW concerts in Brasil in my page. peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: (kw) Re: Date: 03 Dec 1998 16:26:30 -0800 DAMNED!! My idea was stolen! Scott_Coverley@fac.com wrote: > > I read the Kraftwerk article in Spin magazine last Summer and > reference was made to a Drag Queen who did cover versions of Krafterk > on piano. Anybody know anything about this? worth getting? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Trip Theory Date: 03 Dec 1998 03:13:58 -0500 (EST) hi, ok, first, i got this CD called Trip Theory "Something For Your Mind" and there is a song called "The Roll Song" which samples "Numbers". the rest of the song sounds like something Luther Campbell (Uncle Luke) would make (remember "Tootsie Roll"?). does any one have any info on Trip Theory, what they are if there is more Kraftwerk material by them? and secondly, i wanted to ask this ever since i joined the list but i was afraid i'd get laughed at, but i fear no more, since there are no stupid questions, only stupid people. who is breathing on KW-2 "Atem". Is it Ralf or Florian? i woun't rest until i know! thank you all, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Kraftwerk covers Date: 03 Dec 1998 03:03:51 -0500 (EST) a Drag Queen who did cover versions of Krafterk >> on piano. >Is Terre Thaemlitz a drag queen? why sure he is! allow me to quote a passage from his liner notes which are indicative of transvestism. "The form of Homoeroticization at issue does not lie in contradiction to dominant Western and Global First-World patriarchies, but is rather a manifestation which permeates all actions - a metaphor which lies buried in every attempt to mediate identity in a world of post-Industrial technologies. Kraftwerk's most vibrant celebration of this Homoeroticization is in the composition Tour de France." "Tour de Frace" - a homoerotic anthem? i am sure the boys loved that one. that must have been the joke of the month for almost a minute. it was a grand piano, digitally processed, noise and resonance added, so it's not really synthesizers, but Terre Thaemlitz is into this kind of deconstructive or destructive performance. so if it's just Kraftwerk you are looking for, i'd say it's the worst crap of anything Kraftwerk related i've ever heard, but since i love anything experimental and unconventional, i loved every second of it. speaking as a synthesist, this is the album which inspired me musically more than any Kraftwerk or other album. very minimalist, and at the same time flamboyantly gay (and i don't mean that in a negative way, so i don't want to be bombarded with anti-gay-bashing e-mails). since i heard the album, most of the music i wrote was in that style, except performed on synthesizers. i would recommend this album because there are not many artists who covered Kraftwerk and tried not to sound like Kraftwerk. even the Balanescu Quartet still sound very Kraftwerkish on classical instruments (on "The Robots" i can almost hear the robotic voice sing "we are the robots" even though it's being played on violins, viola, and cello). Terre T. produces a very anti-Kraftwerk sound. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) KRAUTROCK Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:06:18 -0500 (EST) KW's early albums are unjusifiably ignored! > >I totally agree. >However, I woudn't say the same for the Organisation Tone Float. >This one sounds totally outmoded and have not main musical concept. >I'm happy to own it just because I'm a KW fan but it's really not interesting. i disagree, it may sound bad, but it is the first (at least first recorded) step which R+F took towards arriving where they are today. i think it fits in perfectly as part of their natural progression from free form experimentation/improvisation to structure, harmony, and lyrics. so the recording/mixing is far from perfect on that album, and perhaps the other three people in the band were not on top of things as R+F were. but it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks yet. i think some of those syncopated rhythms are perfect for hip-hop sampling. just don't anyone tell Puff Daddy! lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) 1, 2, R&F Date: 03 Dec 1998 02:59:18 -0500 (EST) how about the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? don't forget the pre-Kraftwerk album Organisation "Tone Float". it was Ralf and Florian's first band before Kraftwerk. that album came out in 1969 in UK. there are bootlegs of this album, of fair quality (in places record clicks and pops are heard on the CD) which should not be too hard to find. i recommend all of them because you can hear as the band progresses from free form experimentation and improvisation ("Tone Float") to structure (KW-1, KW-2), then to harmony (R+F, Autobahn), and finaly making lyrics/vocals and instrumentation (synthesizers/drum machines) a permanent and conjoined part of their music ("Radioactivity", "T.E.E.", "Man-Machine", "CW", "EC", and "The Mix"). you can read about and hear samples of the songs from the early albums at this site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ hope this helps, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU?: Gold Regen / Year of the Tiger Date: 02 Dec 1998 17:59:41 +0000 > >The two new la! NEU? CD's "Gold Regen (Gold Rain)" (Captain > >Trip, CTCD-123) and "Year of the Tiger" (Captain Trip, CTCD-124) > >are now also available as German imports via Indigo. > > Any idea how these are? I haven't listened to the full albums yet, but most of the tracks seem to be improvised, rough studio recordings, quite experimental / meditative in parts. > I'm just now beginning to build a > 'krautrock' collection so any suggestions on material from > Dinger, Rother, etc would be much appreciated ... If you're a beginner, I would rather recommend to look for Rother's solo works and Dinger's albums with La Duesseldorf. IMHO they're more relevant than the la! NEU? material. They're not really Krautrock in the strict sense, though. > And, while I'm at it, how about the first 3 Kraftwerk albums? > I don't own or have heard them. I've read descriptions of them > in the "Dusseldorf To The Future" book, so I do know that they > are quite different in terms of instrumentation, but are they > worth my while anyways? It's a matter of taste, but if you like NEU!, you may also like the early Kraftwerk albums. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Germanofon (was: Re: (kw) Michael Rother Interview pt. 2) Date: 02 Dec 1998 17:59:41 +0000 > >> I highly recommend all 3 Neu! albums. They seem to suddenly be > >> readily available on cd all of the sudden. > > > >They're all bootlegs. > > Yes, I had read that somewhere too. Do you know who put these out? Germanofon, a dubious record label from Luxembourg, specialized on "re-releasing" out-of-print Krautrock albums on CD. Most (if not all) of their releases were unauthorized / illegal. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) la! NEU?: Gold Regen / Year of the Tiger Date: 02 Dec 1998 09:49:56 EST On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:02:01 +0000 "Klaus Zaepke" writes: > > >b) "Year of the Tiger" > >Tracklisting: >01. Intro (with Blue Point Underground) >02. Autoportrait Rembrandt mit Viktoria + Apache >03. Notre Dame > >Line up: >- Ruediger Elze (Spinello) >- Klaus Dinger >- Viktoria Wehrmeister >- Rembrandt Lensink > excellent album this one...ask santa to drop it off... tom w np: above ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) new MP3's on http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 04 Dec 1998 05:13:44 +0100 (CET) Ok , here we go again... Five MP3's this week: Tour de France (7" remix), Tour de France (Instrumental), Kometenmelodie 2 (Edit), Autobahn (Neue version 1981), Kohoutek (Version 1) See you next week for more... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) TELEX Date: 04 Dec 1998 01:47:04 +0500 About TELEX-- I lliked their album NEUROVISION (although I thought the production was a bit dry)... Great cover: the cartoon characters saying "Have you ever heard such electronic stuff?" "Turn the record for more electronic stuff!" They did an album with Sparks, which I thought was appropriate. My favs from Neurovision: "En Route", "Tour De France", "No Distances", "Eurovision"... They sound (at least on that album) like a French KW, but they're Belgian. Go figure... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) "Tootsie Roll," Luke, and Puffy's sampling practices Date: 03 Dec 1998 20:57:29 -0500 Not to nit-pick or to be off topic, but "Tootsie Roll" is either by the 69 Boyz or Tag Team, not Luke. >>> it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks yet. i think some of those syncopated rhythms are perfect for hip-hop sampling. just don't anyone tell Puff Daddy! <<< Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop producer would just sample the beat, and combine it with other stuff (or chop it up entirely) so you wouldn't recognize it. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: Re: (kw) 1, 2, R&F Date: 04 Dec 1998 01:35:19 At 02:59 AM 12/3/98 -0500, 47 wrote: >you can read about and hear samples of the songs from the early >albums at this site: > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ > >hope this helps, Yes, it most certainly does ... bless you! I will definitely be ordering all 4 very soon after hearing the clips ... I'll reveal the mail order source I'll be using as soon as I secure my order. I've ordered successfully from them before, and they have quite a few Kraftwerk, Neu!, La Dusseldorf, La!/Neu? titles among others ... markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Roy Vedas on Kraftwerk Date: 04 Dec 1998 15:35:38 +0100 The duo Roy Vedas said in an interview to love Kraftwerk. Roy Vedas have released a 12" entitled "Fragments of Life" (PolyGram), for which they us= es a vocoder in the vocal part. "Don't Stop... Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force an= d Model 500 (aka Juan Atkins) are included in "Andrea Parker: DJ Kicks" (Studio K7) CD. Le Car (from France ?) make cold melodic passages and rhythm sequences =E0 la KRAFTWERK. Their 12" "Automatic" (Craft records) is an example of retro-futurism. I think their name does reference to Autobahn LP. The return of the electro sound can be seen in bands like DMX Krew, Mandroid (of Breakin' records) and Deejay Punk Rock that revisit the electro genre, influenced as for the American old school mysticism=20 as for the KRAFTWERK records. I read in a magazine: "With 'Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret' (Vertigo, 1981) Softcell gave the first steps on the encounter between pop melodies and electronic instruments." The same it made Kraftwerk some years after. Issue of Tuesday 1st December 1998 of the Spanish newspaper El Pais has an interview with Phillip Glass in which he states the music that his generation has made it has changed the direction towards which t= he contemporarity sets out for. "We have to destroy what our predecessors, Boulez or Stockhausen, did", he says, "it was so good..." The interviewer says that the Mr. Glass' music is pure mathematic repetition. "Minimalism has been crucial for the future of the music", affirms, "we did it considering four factors: we had to be experimental, to study ethnic musics, to be mixed with pop and to use the new technologies". Anyone knows something about CD "Tour de Trance" Hypnotic CLP9773 and CD "Trans Europa 2" 150 BPM CD39333? Do they include cover versions of Kraftwerk's songs? DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De Breaks etc. Date: 04 Dec 1998 15:52:39 +0100 > > if you find a 'Joseph Watt Remix' on some artist's 12", it has actiually > > been done by Joseph Watt of Razormaid. > > Sorry to bother you. > Does this mean that Razormaid is in fact a company and not a man? > TIA. http://www.razormaid.com speaks of a company, so I assume this is correct. I have no idea if it is a one-man company or if there are more people. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) Roy Vedas on Kraftwerk Date: 04 Dec 1998 17:59:13 +0100 Der Automat wrote: >I read in a magazine: "With 'Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret' (Vertigo, 1981) Softcell gave the first steps on the >encounter between pop melodies and electronic instruments." The same it made Kraftwerk some years after. I'd rather say KW did that many years before -81. I consider everything since TEE, or maybe since Autobahn, as pop (and specifically technopop...). /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Power" Subject: (kw) MP3 site Date: 04 Dec 1998 21:22:32 -0000 Hi all, I've just been to the site http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm where there are a few lovely MP3 files of the single versions of KW tunes. Unfortunatley, I've missed the first 8, so I'm just wondering if anyone who's got them could mirror them on another site for us all to download. Any help would be appreciated :-) Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) "Tootsie Roll," Luke, and Puffy's sampling practices Date: 04 Dec 1998 14:52:15 -0500 (EST) Not to nit-pick or to be off topic, but "Tootsie Roll" is either by the >69 Boyz or Tag Team, not Luke. i am not as familiar with "booty" music (if that's not a PC term for that kind of music, sorry, but i don't know what else to call it) as much as i'd like to be. the only reason i can drop names here and there is because i have a friend who has a lot of that music. > >>>> it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks > >Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop >producer would just sample the beat, and sorry once again, i didn't mean whole tracks, i meant beats or rhythmic patterns or phrases. and i hate Puffy as much as the next guy. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) list Date: 04 Dec 1998 19:44:01 EST from the TD list: Hi, > got a copy of the latest edition of Future Music (a British magazine about > electronic music and musical gear, for those who didn't know) today . > They had done a survey about the best electronic record ever. > > The winner was Oxygene by... > > The TD thing was that they had also compiled a list with the best electron= > ic > artists/groups and TD came on 12th. Guess who won... KREWTFARK (read > backwards) > > Just thought you ought to know. > > //Alexander # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Tangerine Dream Date: 06 Dec 1998 16:08:55 -0200 Hi, all. I have two new itens for trade: - TANGERINE DREAM - Three Phase (Laser Disc) - GARY NUMAN - Berseker (Laser Disc) I swap each one by 3 CDs - I want Tangerine Dream / CYCLONE, RICOCHET and other If interested, write me your list for trade. Thanks Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Bass music Date: 05 Dec 1998 03:37:27 -0500 Lenny G inscribed: >>> Not to nit-pick or to be off topic, but "Tootsie Roll" is either by the >69 Boyz or Tag Team, not Luke. i am not as familiar with "booty" music (if that's not a PC term for that kind of music, sorry, but i don't know what else to call it) as much as i'd like to be. the only reason i can drop names here and there is because i have a friend who has a lot of that music. > >>>> it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks > >Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop >producer would just sample the beat, and sorry once again, i didn't mean whole tracks, i meant beats or rhythmic patterns or phrases. and i hate Puffy as much as the next guy. <<< I've always known it as bass music, due to the speaker-shattering lows of the TR-808, made even lower by Miami's and Atlanta's finest. This is the closest thing to Kraftwerk that exists these days--you can here the infuence in almost every track. Thank God there's someone else who hates Puffy! REAL HIP-HOP IS WHERE IT'S AT! Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft Update. Date: 06 Dec 1998 20:30:00 -0000 MP3's from the 1981 tour; Home Computer - Paris Neon Lights - Paris The Cover version is 'Radioactivity' from Trans Slovenia Express Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) itens for trade Date: 07 Dec 1998 08:28:12 -0200 Hi. I have two new itens for trade: TANGERINE DREAM - THREE PHASE "Past, Present and Future of Tangerine Dream" LASER DISC GARY NUMAN - BERSEKER - Laser Disc I accept swap by others itens, like CDs of Tangerine Dream (Cyclone, Ricochet) or KRAFTWERK (ONLY "bootlegs") Contact me privately. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) TELEX Date: 04 Dec 1998 17:55:30 +0100 Christopher Gross wrote: > About TELEX-- I lliked their album NEUROVISION (although I thought the > production was a bit dry)... Great cover: the cartoon characters saying= =20 > "Have you ever heard such electronic stuff?" "Turn the record > for more electronic stuff!" They did an album with Sparks, which I > thought was appropriate. My favs from Neurovision: "En Route", "Tour D= e France", > "No Distances", "Eurovision"... Is the Tour De France track a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or is it a completely different composition? TIA. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Saunderson & May Date: 04 Dec 1998 18:29:41 +0100 The third single "Ain't Nobody Better" retained Kevin Saunderson's techno-logic microchip feel topped by Paris' soulful voice. Their debut album, "Paradise" cemented this prosperity and highlighted the Detroit techno blueprint of mesmerising rhythms that owed more to the white European synth groups of the 70's and early 80's, like Kraftwerk, Can & Depeche Mode than to the black dance music roots of the 60's and 70's tha= t Chicago house and New Jersey garage related to. Derrick May on Carl Craig's album interview in Jokey Slut: "Warner Brothe= rs even made a comment about the album - they said it sounded like Kraftwerk= ." Derrick May interviewed on Plaza magazine (Jan. 1998): "Its like what happened 20 years ago when Kraftwerk came along with the 'Computer World' album and people like Rick James [aka Aphex Twin] were still the big thin= g, Gladys Knight and the Pips were still selling records. So along comes Prince and Kraftwerk, Janet Jackson and they just wiped everyone else off the face o= f the earth, and all those major investments they had in those bands became= a burden." Derrick May interviewed on PPF magazine: Q: When I first heard your records, I didn't know you were black. A: "Right. People were saying: 'Damn. Kraftwerk is making funky music now= !' That's what they thought, back in Detroit! (...) People thought my songs was Kraftwerk!" DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Suicide / Krautrock Date: 07 Dec 1998 13:41:33 +0100 lbo wrote: > a friend of mine asked me if I know the group Add n to x, if I understo= od > weel, because he was told them to be "the new Kraftwerk, only tougher". > apparently they supported Suicide in their most recent tour, so it said >on a sticker over a cd case this friend of mine saw. > somebody knows those guys, and what is the most recent tour of Suicide >you know? On issue 156 of the Spanish music magazine Rokdelux there is an article about Suicide in that it's said: "Kraftwerk. In fact they're contemporary of Suicide and both bands have influence reciprocally for equal. It was Lester Bangs who made them to listen to the Duesseldorf men, the first work by the New Yorkers, and they didn't doubt in buying some copies of t= he record." Suicide was: Alan Vega (microphonie), Richard Sohl (piano), Jerry Harriso= n (keyboard), Adele Bertei (acetate organ) and Martin Rev who played a Japanese synthesizer, one of the first computerized keyboards, for which they paid 10 $ and from which they never felt satisfied since they couldn= 't control it. With that keyboard and a modest rhythm-box they recorded practically all the music of their first record, "Suicide" (1977). On "Welcome to the Machine" article of issue 98 (November 96) of the magazine The Face it can be read: "Similar sentiments are expressed by th= e colourful Kosmiche crew, a London-based collective who have been pioneeri= ng Krautrock club nights in the capital over the last four month. 'Listen to Stereolab and you can virtually hear whole Neu! records lifted and rework= ed a bit', says the club's co-promoter Flint. 'I think it's important that people out there get to hear all the incredible, obscure records that hav= e inspired bands like Stereolab'. (...) Kosmiche's Leon is more immediately concerned with getting the right DJs for his events. 'We've asked a lot o= f people who we know would be great but they don't want to bring their =A32= 00 albums out to a club and have some Krautrock virgin spill lager all over them. That's the danger. (...) Definitions, then. Krautrock: the result o= f experimental minds on serious drugs trying to make inspired pop/rock musi= c (and often failing miserably). Rock'n'roll innovation with a repetitious trance element to its groove. The great radical music of the Seventies. (...) Some personal observations: there are no 20-minute drum solos, precious little 'progressive' 'axe' strangling going on, and this music h= as fuck all to do with Rick Wakeman or Gong. (...) Krautrock studio innovato= rs such as Deiter Dirks and Conny Plank are matched only by other Seventies innovators such as Lee Perry and King Tubby in their breathtaking ability to make music fly, yet they remain largely unsung heroes. (...) Without Can's 'Hallelujah' there would be no loose-limbed cover version by Happy Mondays, and Black Grape would have far less of a sleazy swagger. Yes, Shaun Ryder and his mates have been digging and openly lifting Krautrock for years now. Wihout Neu!, David Bowie and Brian Eno would have been stu= ck for ideas during a good portion of the late Seventies. Without Kraftwerk, Afrika Bambaataa wouldn't have caught the Trans Disco Express called electro, and without that Juan Atkins wouldn't have laid the bare bones o= f techno for Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson to see. Without the more extreme experiments of Krautrock, The Aphex Twin would sound like Disco T= ex and PIL's much-lauded 'Metal Box' simply would not exist. (...) Procupine Tree, a band who recently spawned a sideline project called The Incredibl= e Expanding Mindfuck - and obvious tribute to the Kraut genre with four tracks ingeniously cloning the sounds of Neu!, Can, Cluster and Faust. (...) Piccadilly Records in Manchester has been selling 'bucketloads' of reissue CDs since 'Krautrocksampler' was published. (...) Manuel Goettsching's (of Die Dominas) massively influential 'E2-E4', meanwhile, which effectively got remade by Carl Craig as 'Sue=F1o latino' a few year= s back, was recently reissued on vinyl and caused a real stir in Britain's dance record shops. (...) Johhn McCready has, incidentally, released records using the pseudonymus Leibezeit and Hallelujah in colaboration wi= th DJ Jon Da Silva. Club Kosmische's next night is upstairs at The Garage on November 8. Both Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler and the newly published Cosmic Dreams At Play by DE Asbjornsen are essential reading and availabl= e in better bookshops. (...) A Young Person's Guide To Krautrock Eight Kosmische Killers. Even if you think Noel is a genius you should try and listen to these: Can 'Tago Mago' (Spoon/Mute), Ash Ra Temple 'Same' (Spalax), Cluster 'Zuckerzeit' (Spalax), Faust 'IV' (Virgin), Neu! 'Neu! '75' (Germanofon), Amon Dueuel II 'Lemmingmania' (Captain Trip), Cosmic Jockers 'Galactic Supermarket' (Spalax), Harmonia 'Deluxe' (Spalax)." In this article appears the cover of 'Kraftwerk', Cluster and Harmonia LP= s. Julian Cope wrote a book entitled "Krautrocksampler", first edition published at the start of 1996. Pan Sonic, along with Vega, have released an album entitled "Endless" (1998) where we can see the Suicide's influence as in the structure of so= me tracks ("Fun In The Wonderland", "Red Lights Down") as in the title of others ("Sick Sick USA"). Mika Vainio, Ilpo Vaeisaenen y Sami Salo (from ) have contributed very especially to the return to the stages and to the record market of t= he legendary Suicide, whose new album relased on May accompanied by a recording in live of one of their concerts of year 1978. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Videos from -98 tour??? Date: 07 Dec 1998 16:32:53 +0100 I'm just wondering why we never hear of any bootleg videos from the -98 tou= r,=20 I mean, I've read in postings to this list about people who has seen other=20 people with videocams on the concerts, but WHERE ARE THE TAPES? If anyone has seen somewhere where you can buy live videorecordings from th= is=20 tour=2E please e-mail me OR the mailinglist the information=2E Thankyou/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Victor Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rio de Janeiro Date: 07 Dec 1998 17:06:17 -0200 See picture of Kraftwerk playing The Model in Rio (Free Jazz 98). Click on Kraftwerk logo. http://www.urbi.com.br/users/vmiranda -- Victor Miranda vmiranda@urbi.com.br # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Music Non Stop - Phil" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Items For Sale Date: 07 Dec 1998 19:24:03 -0000 Music Non Stop Ltd Hi all We have the following Kraftwerk items for sale. If you are interested the= n please contact us in one of these 3 ways. Tel : 01905 429874 (UK) Fax : 01905 429874 (UK) Email : sales@music-non-stop.co.uk We also have an extensive network of contacts, so if you are looking for something in particular please let us know and we shall do our best to tr= y and locate it for you. We have many other items by electronic acts, such as Depeche Mode, Yello, Y.M.O etc, of which lists of these items are available on request. Many thanks MNS Kraftwerk Autobahn French. Compilation G/F Early Material on Phillips 2xL= P =A320.99 Kraftwerk Autobahn Mexican Dis Collection. Picture Disc LP =A320.99 Kraftwerk Autobahn UK on Vertigo. 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'Les Mannequins' LP =A3= 15.99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Benedikt Rochow" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 Date: 07 Dec 1998 16:06:31 -0500 (EST) >>>> it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks >yet. i think some of those syncopated rhythms are perfect for hip-hop >sampling. just don't anyone tell Puff Daddy! <<< > >Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop Like that Puff Daddy + thing... "Wir fahren! Auf der! Autobahn! Glitzerstrahlen! Graues Band! Autobahn!" etc. There is a '2 Live Crew' piece that uses the first few seconds of Mensch Maschine continuously repeated, with an additional beat, to where it sounds very much like the background of the whole MM, combined with questionable lyrics. -gbr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 07 Dec 1998 15:39:44 -0600 Piggybacking on some of the recent discussion about modern music = 'artists' sampling and looping KW into their 'music.' Kraftwerk is the most influential band in Hip-hop, dance or other 'bass' = music. A lot of folks don't want to admit it. Rap, after all, is = considered by most purists to be a black thing, if you will. If you go = back to roots of hip-hop - take Afrikaa Bambaata (is that how you spell = it?) and Planet Rock - you discover that the first KW beats infiltrated = the rap music. I am will to bet that up to recent history, Kraftwerk = was the most sampled, mixed, and looped band ever. I can go through my = 3500 records and list all the dance hits which contain KW samples but = you'd have to pay me for it. Some simply rip off the basic song = structure and put some other samples and rap on top to create 'music.' =20 But that's what DJ culture is about - mixing and remixing. =20 Keep them dancing, Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 08 Dec 1998 00:29:43 -0500 Chris Stann wrote: ... > beats infiltrated the rap music. I am will to bet that up to recent > history, Kraftwerk was the most sampled, mixed, and looped band ever. aww, didn't we have this discussion last month? -drew ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 08 Dec 1998 10:00:22 -0500 >aww, didn't we have this discussion last month? Maybe we did, but this group sure isn't getting clogged with messages about it (or anything else for that matter). There's an idea! Lettuce take a survey of the 5 most drole threads of 1998. ...Das Bier schmeckt gut, aber bitte nicht auf Deutsch singen. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 08 Dec 1998 04:07:03 -0500 (EST) beats infiltrated the rap music. I am will to bet that up to recent >> history, Kraftwerk was the most sampled, mixed, and looped band ever. > >aww, didn't we have this discussion last month? didn't people dicuss kraftwerk 20 years ago, besides "we" didn't have this discussion, perhaps "you" did. lenny g p.s. oh yeah, and once again, for the record, I hate puffy, mase, and their entire freaking piss poor excuse for music and culture! talk about giving the legitamate artists the finger, has anyone heard "I can feel it" by Queen Pen (i hope Phil Collins didn't) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: Oggetto: RE: (kw) TELEX - Tour de France Date: 09 Dec 1998 13:16:46 +0100 Der automat wrote: Is the Tour De France track a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or is it a completely different composition? I've got the Lp "NEUROVISION" by TELEX: a very nice example of Synth - pop/dance. The Lp was released at the end of 1980, so the track <> has nothing to do with KW - T.d.F.. Maybe You've already got this information by someone else; otherwise, i'm glad to be helpful for you and other members of this list. Best Regards .. . Marcello P.S. However, try to listen to Telex LP, if you can got a copy of it. I guess you will enjoy it !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Suicide Date: 09 Dec 1998 14:10:27 +0100 Der Automat wrote: > Pan Sonic have contributed >very especially to the return to the stages and to the record market of the >legendary Suicide, whose new album relased on May accompanied by a >recording in live of one of their concerts of year 1978. The second week of April of 1998 Suicide played in London, with Pan Sonic as supported band. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) "Tootsie Roll," Luke, and Puffy's sampling practices Date: 09 Dec 1998 14:18:42 +0100 > >Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop > >producer would just sample the beat, My apologies if this has already been posted here, but I really want to=20 know the original message, please, if anyone of you're able to send it to me I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: Oggetto: RE: (kw) TELEX - Tour de France Date: 09 Dec 1998 08:38:47 -0600 I thought Tour de France by Kraftwerk was featured in the movie = "Breakin'." If you saw it, you may remember the scene where Turbo was = dancing with a broom. The song never made it on the soundtrack, but a = cover version did. The movie came out in the early '80s. Or did I miss the subject entirely? If so, forgive me. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:17 AM Der automat wrote: Is the Tour De France track a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, = or is it a completely different composition? I've got the Lp "NEUROVISION" by TELEX: a very nice example of Synth - pop/dance. The Lp was released at the end of 1980, so the track <> has nothing to do with KW - T.d.F.. Maybe You've already got = this information by someone else; otherwise, i'm glad to be helpful for you = and other members of this list. Best Regards .. . Marcello P.S. However, try to listen to Telex LP, if you can got a copy of it. I guess you will enjoy it !!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 09 Dec 1998 00:19:29 -0500 I think there's a misconception there about Rap/Hip-Hop artists not wanting to admit to the Kraftwerk influence. Its more to the point that the so-called media that covers various musics really don't bother to ask what the influences are. Also, Afrika Bambaata will tell you himself that the early work was Kraftwerk influenced, and others in the community heard his work and took it from there. After all, the first time I heard Kraftwerk was on a "Black" radio station, and the so-called mainstream pop/whatever wouldn't touch stuff so. And I do know from reading about KW that they are very appreciative of their "Urban" audience.. Thank you for the bandwidth Jim J. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Stann Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 4:40 PM Piggybacking on some of the recent discussion about modern music 'artists' sampling and looping KW into their 'music.' Kraftwerk is the most influential band in Hip-hop, dance or other 'bass' music. A lot of folks don't want to admit it. Rap, after all, is considered by most purists to be a black thing, if you will. If you go back to roots of hip-hop - take Afrikaa Bambaata (is that how you spell it?) and Planet Rock - you discover that the first KW beats infiltrated the rap music. I am will to bet that up to recent history, Kraftwerk was the most sampled, mixed, and looped band ever. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) In search of a good live boot Date: 09 Dec 1998 14:57:08 -0600 Can anyone point me towards a good-quality bootleg of the more recent Kraftwerk stuff? Like a TG97/ZKM boot, or something from the last tour? I downloaded a buncha MP3's of the stuff but sadly, they're not all quite up to snuff. If anyone knows of a good one, or preferably has one that they'd be willing to CD-Duplicate, please let me know. Perhpas we can trade, or I can buy a copy or soemthing. Thanks much! ---- Eric Oehler wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko That's as may be, it's still a frog. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 09 Dec 1998 16:03:01 -0500 (EST) >I think there's a misconception there about Rap/Hip-Hop artists >not wanting to admit to the Kraftwerk influence. Afrika Bambaata will tell you himself that the early >work was Kraftwerk influenced, and others in the community >heard his work and took it from there. >After all, the first time I heard Kraftwerk was on a "Black" radio >station, and the so-called mainstream pop/whatever wouldn't >touch stuff so. i have a friend whose first encounter with Kraftwerk came through reading a magazine interview with Sir Mix-a-Lot who cited Kraftwerk as one of his influences. so my friend bought Computer World, and is a KW fan ever since. now on the other hand, i happend to walk in to an African-American fraternity party, and T.E.E. was blasting from the speakers, and no one in the room really appreciated it, then the DJ/MC ruined the song by rapping over it. Rap/hip-hop artists from the '80's had an appreciation for the music as well as the culture that came with KW's music, but artists today, have no regard for the culture that is responsible for KW's music, and very little respect for the music itself. i think, that for the early DJ's, musicians, and rappers (like Afrika Bammaataa, Grand Master Flash, Sir Mix-a-Lot, pioneers of "bass" music) KW was a part of their music and culture, they treated a KW record as a hip-hop record. i know DJ's in my town who do not distinguish or separate KW from the rest of their mainly black artist collection. now, the new artists, mainly the puffy-clones as well as many others who are ignorant of where their music at least partially came from, and they look at kraftwerk as another white band they discovered and sampled. it's a sad situation. off-topic, and as an example of how out of touch today's media is with music and modern (mainstream & underground) culture here is a short story. i am also a subscriber to the Negativland e-mail list. Negativland is an experimental band from the West Coast (California, USA) who have been on an anti-corprate, pro-sampling musical quest since 1980. recently the Music Director of MTV's "Real World" (for those who have been blessed by never witnessing the show i am going to ruin it for you), the show that stuffs six or seven strangers to live in a house and have their lives televised on national TV. so this show contacted Negativland and asked them if they possibly have an album out, because this bright young man at MTV want's to feature the hottest up and coming bands on the next season of "Real World". Negativland's reply to MTV was to go stuff them selves, or something like that. if they were to go on MTV it would sortof defeat their entire point of uncorporation of culture and music. since 1980 (they've been around longer than MTV-1982) they have had more than 20 albums, plus they produce a weekly radio programme on KPFA-Pacifica (since 1980) where they perform live and make listener participation a part of their music. yes anyone can call in and be in the mix, from anywhere around the world, play an instrument, or just say something. they are in Real Audio http://www.negativland.com/ote_live/index.html if anyone is interested in listening there is the address. lenny g i pity the man who watches AMP. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Just a thought.. Date: 10 Dec 1998 12:25:07 +0100 Hey guys, I'm sitting here listening to computerworld and it strikes me tha= t=20 it's=20 soon 18 YEARS since I bought it! Not much that is better has turned up since then has it? /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MERSEYCHAM@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Saunderson & May Date: 10 Dec 1998 07:52:44 EST In a message dated 07/12/98 11:23:41 GMT, you write: << The third single "Ain't Nobody Better" retained Kevin Saunderson's techno-logic microchip feel topped by Paris' soulful voice. Their debut album, "Paradise" cemented this prosperity and highlighted the Detroit techno blueprint of mesmerising rhythms that owed more to the white European synth groups of the 70's and early 80's, like Kraftwerk, Can & Depeche Mode than to the black dance music roots of the 60's and 70's that Chicago house and New Jersey garage related to. >> was bedeutet das ? what does this mean ? DER KRAUTOMAT (K) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 10 Dec 1998 10:51:34 EST On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:03:01 -0500 (EST) 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: >i pity the man who watches AMP. and why's that? tom w np: amberdelic space II ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: Re: (kw) Just a thought.. Date: 10 Dec 1998 18:27:13 -0700 >Hey guys, I'm sitting here listening to computerworld and it strikes me that >it's >soon 18 YEARS since I bought it! >Not much that is better has turned up since then has it? >/Johan YES! I love Computerworld. for years i've felt an urge to tell the world that computerworld is the finest kraftwerk album. for one thing, i think it is the most original concept that they ever came up with. autobahn and trans-europe express covered themes that have been covered in american rock'n'roll, but computerworld somehow dramatizes computer circuits, through sounds and words, in such a way that i wonder if it has ever been done like that before. something else that i find interesting is that they were never really technicians, but they were able to bring to life the 'feel' of computers through the music. i do feel that those who can understand the german lyrics to this album should feel lucky. they're more interesting than the english (as was discussed before). stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 Date: 10 Dec 1998 15:40:20 +0100 G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: > Like that Puff Daddy + thing... > "Wir fahren! Auf der! Autobahn! Glitzerstrahlen! Graues Band! Autobahn!= " > etc. What song is this? A cover of Autobahn? Could anybody tell me, please, who's this "somebody from Led Zeppelin"? Thanks in advance. > There is a '2 Live Crew' piece that uses the first few seconds of > Mensch Maschine continuously repeated, with an additional beat, > to where it sounds very much like the background of the whole MM, > combined with questionable lyrics. AFAIK, D.K. Almighty, in his song "2 Live Crew", makes a rap supports in the sequence and the rhythm of "The Man Machine". DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 11 Dec 1998 08:01:08 +0100 (CET) This week: Die Roboter (Kinderspiel-Version) a funny mix!!! Radioactivity (William Orbit 7" remix) Robotronik (7" version) Nummern (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) partial, I don't know why they didn't keep the full lenght track Computerwelt (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) same as above see you next week for more. Good listening Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: (kw) autobahn release date Date: 11 Dec 1998 09:41:11 -0000 could anybody please give me a definitive answer to the question:on what date was the album autobahn released a]in germany [presumably the first country of release] and b]in the uk ? thanks in advance, chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Videoclip:"Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta Date: 11 Dec 1998 13:14:22 +0100 Hi, has anybody watched the videoclip "Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta ? For some seconds the album-sleeve of "Electric Cafe" can be seen. Does anybody know, if there is any relation between Ghettoblasta and KRAFTWERK ? regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Just a thought.. Date: 11 Dec 1998 13:35:08 +0100 ---------- > Da: stephen vesecky > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Oggetto: Re: (kw) Just a thought.. > Data: venerdì 11 dicembre 1998 2.27 > I love Computerworld. > > for years i've felt an urge to tell the world that computerworld is the > finest kraftwerk album. for one thing, i think it is the most original > concept that they ever came up with. autobahn and trans-europe express > covered themes that have been covered in american rock'n'roll, but > computerworld somehow dramatizes computer circuits, through sounds and > words, in such a way that i wonder if it has ever been done like that > before. > > something else that i find interesting is that they were never really > technicians, but they were able to bring to life the 'feel' of computers > through the music. > > i do feel that those who can understand the german lyrics to this album > should feel lucky. they're more interesting than the english (as was > discussed before). > > stephen I agree with you at all !!!!!!! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) autobahn release date Date: 11 Dec 1998 13:43:08 +0100 > Da: Chris Raistrick > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > Oggetto: (kw) autobahn release date > could anybody please give me a definitive answer to the question:on what > date was the album autobahn released a]in germany [presumably the first > country of release] and b]in the uk ? > thanks in advance, > chris The release date of Autobahn in Germany is NOVEMBER 1974. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: RE: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 Date: 11 Dec 1998 11:15:23 +0100 > G. Benedikt Rochow wrote: >=20 > > Like that Puff Daddy + thing... > > "Wir fahren! Auf der! Autobahn! Glitzerstrahlen! Graues Band! = Autobahn!" > > etc. >=20 DER AUTOMAT =AE wrote > What song is this? A cover of Autobahn? Could anybody tell me, = please, > who's this "somebody from Led Zeppelin"? > Thanks in advance. >=20 >=20 I guess he referred to the song "Come with me", by Puff Daddy and Jimmy = Page (former Led Zeppelin member), which is a cover of an old LZ song, but there=B4s no Autobahn cover from Puff... Thank god! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 11 Dec 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) >>i pity the man who watches AMP. > > >and why's that? > >tom w > because AMP is outdated, as in not up to date with the music (i just saw Pan Sonic first time on AMP like a week ago) and on top of that it is a corporate intrusion into an underground music scene. i don't want my music to suffer the same fate as rap or alternative. did anyone ever wounder why rap and alternative music sucks so much, it's not the artists... it's the money. and now even some electronic artists are "cheating", as in not being honest with their trade, making shit that sells instead of good music, you'd think every little Prodigy and Chemical Brothers wound want to sound like their brilliant forefathers (Kraftwerk), but no, i have no clue where they draw their inspiration (punk? unlikely, punk had meaning). their music is pointless. unfortunatelly, AMP breeds this sort of artists, well fed with money, and no original thought. i shouldn't say breeds, how about gives them playground space. "Electronica", is a corporate code name for annihillation of pure electronic music. I do not subscribe to it. what does that (np:) mean? >np: amberdelic space II # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 11 Dec 1998 01:05:23 -0500 It is truly sad, I agree... I only made the previous statement because when I mentioned where I heard Kraftwerk I forgot to mention when and that was back in 1981, so I've prolly dated myself. I've no love for this current urban garbage Puffy etc.. none at all.. Kraftwerk is half the reason I make music myself... :-) I'm nothing spectacular, but I've been doing my thing for as long as the Detroit people but just have been too lazy to try and actually get it out, soo... I guess I'm one to talk... :-) Jim J. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of 47 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:03 PM i have a friend whose first encounter with Kraftwerk came through reading a magazine interview with Sir Mix-a-Lot who cited Kraftwerk as one of his influences. so my friend bought Computer World, and is a KW fan ever since. now on the other hand, i happend to walk in to an African-American fraternity party, and T.E.E. was blasting from the speakers, and no one in the room really appreciated it, then the DJ/MC ruined the song by rapping over it. Rap/hip-hop artists from the '80's had an appreciation for the music as well as the culture that came with KW's music, but artists today, have no regard for the culture that is responsible for KW's music, and very little respect for the music itself. i think, that for the early DJ's, musicians, and rappers (like Afrika Bammaataa, Grand Master Flash, Sir Mix-a-Lot, pioneers of "bass" music) KW was a part of their music and culture, they treated a KW record as a hip-hop record. i know DJ's in my town who do not distinguish or separate KW from the rest of their mainly black artist collection. now, the new artists, mainly the puffy-clones as well as many others who are ignorant of where their music at least partially came from, and they look at kraftwerk as another white band they discovered and sampled. it's a sad situation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Johnson Subject: (kw) A print influence Date: 11 Dec 1998 08:54:01 -0800 The influence of our heroes is everywhere; even their NAME is influential. Case in point - In the December 5, 1998 issue of the US Magazine TV Guide, there is a feature on Sid and Marty Krofft, two pioneers of US puppet-based Saturday Morning Childrens TV Shows. They produced H.R. Pufnstuf, the Bugaloos, and Sigmund and the Sea Monsters back in the 70's. As a sidebar to the article is a short description of the shows they produced. The sidebar articles title?? K r o f f t W E R K LOLoud!!! -Keith Johnson kj@gmnameplate.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "VLAD (LIKES POINTY STICKS)" Subject: (kw) Negativland Date: 11 Dec 1998 10:39:28 -0500 > I saw > > Negativland in NYC at the old Knitting Factory 9 or 10 years ago.  > > It was really amazing.  One of the band members was actually seated > > at the entrance to the performance, writing out self-stick name tags for > > each person.  The show began with a singer in a brown suede leisure > > suit belting out Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently".  During the course of > > the performance, balloons were distributed, real paper money was thrown > > into the audience and fun was generally had by all in attendance.  > > It was truly a show I'll never forget. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Promo record Date: 11 Dec 1998 14:06:23 -0500 I was going through my records recently, and I was wondering if anyone knows how common / uncommon this is: Elektra ST-ED-5551A-SP copyright date 1991 12" vinyl marked (in small letters) "Promotional copy, not for sale" Side A Robotnik Kling Klang Extended Mix 7:41 Side B The Robots Single Edit 3:43 Robotronik Kling Klang Mix 4:51 This record was made in the USA, and has a "DJ" sleeve, nothing special aside from a label with the song titles, and it is in excellent but not mint condition. np: The Credibility Gap - Foreign Novelty Smash # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:50:21 +0100 >Nummern (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) partial, I don't know why they didn't >keep the full lenght track >Computerwelt (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) same as above KlingKlang crashed while playing Numbers (exactly between Numbers and CW). The concert was paused. After 15 minutes the came back on stage and continued playing. The rest of the concert was really good, especially pocketcalculator (Ralph's comment: "einwandfreie Funktion"). Bye, Frank. I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 12 Dec 1998 01:18:22 +0300 Frank Schelter wrote: > Bye, Frank. > > I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. Yeah, that's interesting. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:20:30 EST On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST) 47 <47@radiolink.net> writes: > >>>i pity the man who watches AMP. >> >> >>and why's that? >> >>tom w >> > >because AMP is outdated, as in not up to date with the music (i just >saw Pan >Sonic first time on AMP like a week ago) and on top of that it is a >corporate intrusion into an underground music scene. i don't want my >music >to suffer the same fate as rap or alternative. did anyone ever >wounder why >rap and alternative music sucks so much, it's not the artists... it's >the >money. and now even some electronic artists are "cheating", as in not >being >honest with their trade, making shit that sells instead of good music, >you'd >think every little Prodigy and Chemical Brothers wound want to sound >like >their brilliant forefathers (Kraftwerk), but no, i have no clue where >they >draw their inspiration (punk? unlikely, punk had meaning). their >music is >pointless. unfortunatelly, AMP breeds this sort of artists, well fed >with >money, and no original thought. i shouldn't say breeds, how about >gives >them playground space. > >"Electronica", is a corporate code name for annihillation of pure >electronic >music. I do not subscribe to it. > >what does that (np:) mean? > >>np: amberdelic space II "corporate intrusion into an underground music scene"? what does that mean? that corporations cant support music? that they cant pay for it? and what the hell is underground? pan sonic is underground? and their "brilliant" forefathers did everything for the love of music, huh? sheesh, get real man... tom w Now Playing: klaus schulze - r u sequenced? (saw the video on amp, btw) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Promo record Date: 11 Dec 1998 19:16:38 -0700 Dobiesz writes: >knows how common / uncommon this is: > >Elektra ST-ED-5551A-SP copyright date 1991 >12" vinyl Uncommon. It is a DJ Promo 12" sent to Dance DJ's who are members of record pools. A certain amount were distributed to record pools across the country. I received mine through Desert West Record Pool out of Phoenix, Arizona back in '91. It moved the crowd but with added doses of "Numbers". Does anyone remember/have the Kraftwerk Fluorescent Lime Green 45 rpm "Pocket Calculator" in a see through record cover? Some were pressed with the Japanese version "Dentaku". These were also "promotional copy for not sale." The 45's were sent through record pools in shipments when "Numbers" was released. It came in a white record cardboard cover with the Kraftwerk ComputerWorld ink drawing head shots. (Japanese script on side) I'm watching video footage of the space station being built. "Spacelab", believe it or not is playing. DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:48:48 +0100 Hi, the mp3-file is on its way, in 2 or 3 days it will be available. Bye, Frank. # # ##### ##### ##### ##### # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### #### ##### #### # # # # ### #### ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # ES WIRD IMMER WEITEGEHN, MUSIK ALS TRAEGER VON IDEEN... www.kraftwerk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Herbert Stocker HSH[1126]" Subject: Me Too: Re: (kw) New weekly MP3 files at Date: 12 Dec 1998 00:11:20 +0100 Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > Frank Schelter wrote: > > > Bye, Frank. > > > > I have a recording of this crash if you are interested I can "mp3" it. > > Yeah, that's interesting. > Yes, would also be interested. Hell -- Hell (Herbert Stocker) : mailto:hell@stusta.mhn.de \_ Hell is also talkto:hell@hell.hsh.stusta.mhn.de \_ my NickName goto:D->MUC->StuSta->HSH[1126] \_ in RealLife : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 11 Dec 1998 22:50:35 -0500 (EST) >"corporate intrusion into an underground music scene"? what does that >mean? i am answering provided that your questions are not rhetoric, if you did not expect an answer, please accept my apologies. well, before something becomes mainstream it is first underground. and for the longest time electronic/experimental music has remained underground compared to pop, rock, R&B, and rap/hip-hop. for example, the Spice Girls did not make pop music, pop music made them. They are a product of a corporate scheme, a perfecly legal scheme, but a scheme never-the-less. on the other hand, there were no big time producers and record labels running around trying to create or sign electronic/experimental acts to make big profit. the situation was quite the opposite, the artist or group had to me damn good or on the verge of brilliance to get a big (equivalent to for example any big rock act, Rolling Stones) record deal. i never seen Kraftwerk commercials on TV, have you, but i've seen Janet Jackson commercials, and she charges $75 a ticket at her concerts (unlike less known underground acts). so when i say that corporate involvement is ruining a musical genre, i ask you instead, why did Price (or The Artist as he is know now) left Warner Brothers on such bad terms, and shortly after released close to 75 hours worth of new material, extremely good, better than anything he made at Warner. he had creative freedom, and money was not the driving force behind his creativity, he is good enough of an artist that he can produce a record and it will make money without corporate production and advertising gimmicks. the same thing with electronic/experimental music. you don't/didn't see Wendy Carlos, Isao Tomita, J. M. Jarre conforming to record companies rules, they do what they want and its damn good. on the other hand some of the newer artists, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method are an embarresment to their predecessors. forgive me for saying so, but their music is shit. Modonna, made a better techno album on the first try than they couldn't compare to in amillion years. that corporations cant support music? that they cant pay for it? support yes, pay for it, then it is no longer the artists music, then it is the corporations music, and i don't want any of it. >and what the hell is underground? pan sonic is underground? my comment was that AMP premered Pan Sonic way after the release of their album, way too late. AMP is outdated and out of touch with the real music scene, they play what corporations tell them to play, that does not reflect the music the people listen to. and their >"brilliant" forefathers did everything for the love of music, huh? >sheesh, get real man... at least i am doing something about it, speaking up against the corporate intrusion into my favorite musical genre. hope this is satisfactry, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n8tlc@juno.com (Bill Dobiesz) Subject: (kw) Silver Apples news Date: 12 Dec 1998 13:02:56 -0500 I just got this from the Silver Apples website...(update on the accident). It's the best and most complete information I have (not to mention the most encouraging). ========================================================== Silver Apples Silver Apples in tragic accident Recently reunited electronic music pioneers Silver Apples were involved in a tragic accident on the New York State Thruway early Sunday morning November 1st. While returning home from a Halloween gig in New York City, the band's van was cut off by another car forcing Simeon to take evasive action causing the van to roll numerous times. Drummer Danny Taylor escaped with a few bruises and was able to revive an unconscious and not breathing Simeon by giving him CPR before the ambulance arrived. Simeon was then airlifted to a nearby hospital where he was placed on the critical list for three and a half days. He has extensive injuries which include a broken neck, an injured spine and his legs were paralyzed for some time. He now has more sensation in his legs, yet his hands are still somewhat dysfunctional. Although Simeon survived, this tragic accident leaves the future of Silver Apples in serious speculation. Cards and well-wishes may be sent to Simeon c/o Whirlybird Records, 28 Decatur Ave., Annnapolis, MD, 21403. 11/20/98, BALTIMORE: Simeon gets stronger each day. He now has some use of his left leg and arm, and can walk with assistance. His right leg is very weak and his right arm and hand are still paralyzed. His spirits are good, however, and his great sense of humor is intact as he scoots himself about the hospital in his wheelchair. The flood of cards/letters/email from friends around the world is a huge help and he is more determined than ever to recover. (there is a picture of a theatre marqee - it says "Get Well Simeon") The marquee of the Charles Theater in Baltimore. They put up this message not knowing Simeon was in Baltimore -- just sending it out into the ether to spur his recovery. Simeon learned of it from his neurosurgeon who noticed it on his way to work and mentioned it on rounds. 12/1/98 BALTIMORE: Simeon's condition continues to improve with each passing day. His legs are stronger to the point where he can walk short distances unaided, and some feeling is returning to his arms and hands. He has been provided with a simple keyboard that he is beginning to use, and exercise equipment is now part of his physical therapy routine. He wants to thank everyone for the cards/letters/email he is receiving from around the world -- it certainly is aiding his recovery! BENEFIT CONCERT: A concert to help with Simeon's medical bills will be held on December 18, 1998 at The Cooler in New York. Watch this site for more information or at "http://www.thecooler.com/" BENEFIT CD: Watch this site for information about a planned benefit CD from the Ptolemaic Terrascope. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Video Clips Date: 12 Dec 1998 21:39:38 -0500 A friend and I were talking a few days ago...does anyone know if there are any video clips around (preferably .AVI files) of songs from the concerts? From what I've read, the concerts this year were very much like the the last couple of tours, so even when it was done probably wouldn't matter. In particular I'd love to find: Numbers Radioactivity TEE/Metal On Metal TDF I might even be open to the idea of video tape - but the only format I can deal with is NTSC, I can't use any of the PAL formats, SECAM, etc... Well, if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear from you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: (kw) music masters (was Re: 1, 2, R&F) Date: 13 Dec 1998 00:28:25 At 07:02 AM 12/6/98 PST, miffo man wrote: >Please mail this company's adress as soon as U have "secured" >your order! I've been looking for ToneFloat and R&F for a while >now, on the Germanofon label (wich is said to have a better sound >quality than other bootlegs). Many companies have the records in >their lists but they cant deliver....... ;-) Whoops! I thought I did, but I guess I didn't afterall. Here's the info: http://www.musicmast.com/ Music Masters Worldwide P.O. Box 2277 Darien, IL 60561 USA Phone: 630-515-1975 Fax: 630-515-1904 Email: romanlewis@aol.com Some of the Kraftwerk is under the 'electronic' category, but I suggest that you choose 'All Titles Sorted by Artist' instead because that will give you the full listing (it takes a while to load it up, but it will eventually load): Kraftwerk: Concert Classics Live '75 CD 17.99 Dynamo Deutschland 2CD Live '81 49.99 I Kraut Classic CD 14.99 II Kraut Classic CD 14.99 Radio Activity EMI import 14.99 Ralf And Florian '73 title, back in CD 14.99 Vor Un Metropolis 2CD, first 3 LP's + live '74, '71 CD 54.99 Organisation Tone Float '69 w/bonus track CD 14.99 They have plenty of other stuff by Neu!, Can, Amon Duul, Faust, La Dusseldorf, Harmonia, La!/Neu?, etc. I placed my order via email on Saturday, Dec. 5 and received the order on Thursday, Dec. 10 (fast!) ... I ordered I, II, Ralf and Florian (all on the Germanofon label) and Tone Float (no label info). They all sound and look great to me (I can hear some minor clicks + pops on the the latter 5 tracks of Tone Float, so those must have been mastered from vinyl). Matter of fact, I was very pleasantly suprised by how much I like this music. Reminds me of a cross between Neu!, early Pink Floyd and Can, which is just about perfect for me. Great stuff! Is the "Concert Classics Live '75" cd recommended? markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) US promo vinyl Date: 13 Dec 1998 08:54:24 +0100 > Elektra ST-ED-5551A-SP copyright date 1991 > 12" vinyl marked (in small letters) "Promotional copy, not for sale" You can find this quite often at european record fairs. Normally US$ 20. I have the impression that the regular 12" in picture sleeve does not turn up as often. US promos are in most cases not rare as there are so many radio stations and DJ's in a large country like the US, so a lot of promos are delivered. > Does anyone remember/have the Kraftwerk Fluorescent Lime Green 45 rpm > "Pocket Calculator" in a see through record cover? Some were pressed with > the Japanese version "Dentaku". in fact, all were pressed this way. It's the regular b-side. > These were also "promotional copy for not > sale." only the promo copies were marked this way, certainly. There's also a non-promo version (in yellow or black vinyl, all in printed PVC sleeve). > The 45's were sent through record pools in shipments when "Numbers" > was released. It came in a white record cardboard cover with the Kraftwerk > ComputerWorld ink drawing head shots. (Japanese script on side) The 12" promo of Pocket Calculator came with this cover. (The japanese cript is on the backside though). There's also a 12" promo Numbers/Computerworld 2 - but no japanese characters here. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Bass music Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:34:59 -0800 Golly, it's a shame I get in on this one so late... I love the 69 Boyz - 'Tootsie Roll' is a true representation of their style, but I prefer the classic 'Ten Chicken Wings And A Bottle Of Dom'. Also, their fantastic work with Dis'N'Dat on 'Freak Me' is worth collecting. CCLemonhead mixed most of the work for that collaboration and it really flows with a big-fat Miami booty-bass. Extraordinary to find anyone refering to this on the Kraftwerk mailing list... Well, I guess to tie it all together I could mention the remix/sampling guru Techmaster PEB from the late 80's. His work with K samples is quite extensive. Also, Professor X (not the pro-black movement activist rapper) made some pretty swank shit outta K... and Janet Jackson... and Samantha Fox... etc... and had no problem with slamming them all together in one piece. It's a little disconcerting when you hear 'Control' over 'Home Computer'. Bill Adam Schefflan wrote: > > Lenny G inscribed: > > >>> Not to nit-pick or to be off topic, but "Tootsie Roll" is either by > the > >69 Boyz or Tag Team, not Luke. > > i am not as familiar with "booty" music (if that's not a PC term for that > kind of music, sorry, but i don't know what else to call it) as much as > i'd > like to be. the only reason i can drop names here and there is because i > have a friend who has a lot of that music. > > > >>>> it still amazes me that no one has sampled those percussive tracks > > > >Puffy would sample the entire track, not just the beat. A real hip-hop > >producer would just sample the beat, > > and sorry once again, i didn't mean whole tracks, i meant beats or > rhythmic > patterns or phrases. > > and i hate Puffy as much as the next guy. <<< > > I've always known it as bass music, due to the speaker-shattering lows of > the TR-808, made even lower by Miami's and Atlanta's finest. This is the > closest thing to Kraftwerk that exists these days--you can here the > infuence in almost every track. Thank God there's someone else who hates > Puffy! REAL HIP-HOP IS WHERE IT'S AT! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 13 Dec 1998 03:47:42 -0500 I've only sent e-mail once to this list and that was when I first joined. I suspect a lot of people just read the posts like I do. Well, I think it's time I speak up about something. Maybe I'm going to make a lot of people annoyed but, I don't care. I love Kraftwerk. I have since 1974 and I think they are one of the most original and influential bands in music but, I drives me crazy when I read things about rap and hip-hop "music" and anybody even remotely comparing that garbage to Kraftwerk or any other legitimate music. Rap is garbage, plain and simple. Any idiot can sample someones music and put some babbling "lyrics" over it. Rap "artists" (now there's a contradiction in terms) steal other people's music because they are talentless trash that couldn't write a melody if someone put a gun to their heads. It all sounds the same. There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's the same beat, the same stupid arm movements, the same stupidity over and over and over again and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their wallets to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way beyond me. Kraftwerk's music is strange, beautiful, meditative, simple, complex, relaxing, hypnotic, soothing, exciting and much more. Kraftwerk's music shows thought, intelligence, originality and talent. If sampling didn't exist, these rap and hip-hop idiots would all be working at McDonalds or stealing cars. I laugh when I hear people refer to rap as "black" music. To me "black" music is Motown. Does anybody remember Motown music? You know, music that had great lyrics, beautiful melodies and great arrangements written and performed by people who had TALENT? I'm talking about people like Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, The Spinners, The Supremes and others. How about other's that weren't considered Motown but, were black and made great music like Ray Charles and Lou Rawls. By the way, In an interview, Lou Rawls was asked what he thought about rap. His reply was, "Put a "C" in front of it and that's what I think." I always liked Lou Rawls' music. After that comment, my opinion of him as a person soared to new heights. I realize Kraftwerk "influenced" these rap idiots. The problem is that Krafwerk didn't influence them to create their own music. That would require thought and talent. What Kraftwerk has done is give these morons a wealth of great music to steal by sampling and then destroy by "rapping' on top of it. Jimmy page should be ashamed of himself for that travesty on Saturday Night Live a few months back for letting that talentless rap idiot ruin Kashmir. I thought nothing could be that bad until I saw The Beastie Boys a few months after that Kashmir thing. The bottom line is this; Kraftwerk is great and rap is garbage. If Kraftwerk never releases new material again, these rap morons could spend the rest of their lives releasing a new album every six months and ANY Kraftwerk song, (even Geiger Counter) would be light years ahead of anything they would release. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 10:06:54 +0000 William Dobiesz wrote: >A friend and I were talking a few days ago...does anyone know if >there are any video clips around (preferably .AVI files) of songs >from the concerts? From what I've read, the concerts this year >were very much like the the last couple of tours, so even when it >was done probably wouldn't matter. Well, in the official site of Kraftwerk have a AVI file of the Tribal song. Also in the "Kraftwerk Media Center" have a MPGs and Realvideos of the Promo Clips and some live things too. Kraftwerk Official Site: http://www.kraftwerk.com/ Kraftwerk Media Center: http://petenet.dragonfire.net/kw/ >I might even be open to the idea of video tape - but the only format >I can deal with is NTSC, I can't use any of the PAL formats, SECAM, >etc... It's a problem to me too. My VCR is Pal-M and also can play NTSC, but all the others like SECAM, I can't. >Well, if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear from you. I'd love to hear ideas too. I can't find ANY tape here. I hope it's help you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 09:16:33 +0500 On 13-Dec-98, Priscila Morsoletto wrote: >>I might even be open to the idea of video tape - but the only format >>I can deal with is NTSC, I can't use any of the PAL formats, SECAM, >>etc... >It's a problem to me too. My VCR is Pal-M and also can play NTSC, but >all the others like SECAM, I can't. There are companies that will transfer tapes from one format to another, but I don't know how much they charge... in any case there are quite a few of them in the NYC, and many of them will do individual tapes as well as commercial quantities. Re rap videos: That 'fish-eye' look seems to derive from an amateur comedy video that was shown on one of those 'America's Funniest Home Videos' type shows many years back... two college kids were in front of a wide-angle lens, miming to the 'Banana Boat Song'. They mimed it at half-speed, and when the tape was played at normal speed the tempo would be restored but the kids' movements would look weird. When Belafonte sang "Bunch!", they'd suddenly shove their faces up to the camera... :-) In any case, the technique seems to have been borrowed for a lot of rap videos, although it predates them by several years... -- Chris Gross cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 13:59:39 +0000 Eduardo H. Q. AVELLAR wrote: >Que beleza, uma brasileirinha na lista de KW! ISSO =E9 IN=C9DITO! Nossa, como fui bem recebida aqui!!!!! Obridada! >Algumas empresas aqui em Sao Paulo fazem o servi=E7o de >transcodifica=E7=E3o de fitas, de QUALQUER FORMATO para NTSC... mas >realmente custa um pouco caro, ca. R$ 50 para 2 horas... mas o >resultado e' MUITO BOM. Meu v=EDdeo cassete *tem* NTSC, s=F3 me falta conseguir SECAM e outros trecos malucos do tipo....... >Fora isso, alguns videos da PANASONIC vendidos aqui como >(modelo xxx-BR) >tem a capacidade de 'tocar' v=E1rios sistemas - PALM, NTSC, >PALN (Argentina), PALG (UK, Alemanha) e SECAM (em preto e branco, >Fran=E7a): >PANASONIC NV-L26BR, NV-F66BR, HD-100BR... existem modelos >mais novos, alguns s=E3o hifi, outros s=E3o mono... Calma ae pq eu n=E3o sou rica n=E3o... tenho um v=EDdeo cassete Toshiba da= idade da pedra (fabricado em 84!!!!!!). S=F3 serve pra comer as fitas! >Depende do que voc=EA define como "here". Se voc=EA estiver em >S=E3o Paulo, posso te indicar alguns lugares. Se voc=EA estiver fora, >posso te indicar alguns lugares de onde pode encomendar os >videos... "Here" =E9 exatamente o centro da cidade de S=E3o Paulo. Moro bem no centro e ADORARIA saber onde posso comprar fitas! Pq CDs eu sei onde encontrar at=E9 os em alem=E3o, mas fitas eu nunca encontrei! Ah, por acaso vc conseguiu gravar a entrevista que o Florian deu para o Multishow!? Eu n=E3o tenho a maltida TV a cabo aqui e NEM consegui ver aindaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! Beijos, Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:27:33 +0300 William Dobiesz wrote: > A friend and I were talking a few days ago...does anyone know if there are > any video clips around (preferably .AVI files) of songs from the concerts? > From what I've read, the concerts this year were very much like the the > last couple of tours, so even when it was done probably wouldn't matter. > > In particular I'd love to find: > > Numbers > Radioactivity > TEE/Metal On Metal > TDF > There are pretty many movies available both on CDs and (in low quality) on line from "Kraftwerk media center". They are all pretty interesting. > > I might even be open to the idea of video tape - but the only format I can > deal with is NTSC, I can't use any of the PAL formats, SECAM, etc... > Strange, I thought all VCRs and TVs supported all the standards now. My VCR is almost 6 years old and still it supports PAL, SECAM and two variants of NTSC. TVs usually have an even higher amount of supported formats. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Schelter Subject: (kw) Klingklang-Crash Date: 13 May 1998 18:36:38 +0200 The mp3-File of the klingklang-crash is now online: http://home.wtal.de/st.antonius/kw Enjoy! 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Lefkowitz" Subject: (kw) Looking for store that caries "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)" which will ship to the US Date: 13 Dec 1998 12:23:55 -0500 May I ask fellow Kraftwerks enthusiasts to share their experiences with ordering the new book "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)"? I live in the United States and am having problems locating it. Are there any places in Europe that are set up to mailorder? Also any comemnts from people who have read the new book would be welcome. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail any suggestions to plefkow@gsbalum.uchicago.edu. Gratefully, Phil The complete bibliograpic details are: Barr, Tim: "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)" Ebury Press, London 1998 ISBN: 0-09-186490-9. Price: 9,99 UK pounds. _ |_) |_ * | | | ) | | =========== plefkow@gsbalum.uchicago.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:18:12 +0000 >N=E3o espere isso dos gringos, eles s=E3o bem... gringos (=3Dfrios). Eu j=E1 fui mal recebida por brasileiros tamb=E9m... n=E3o espero nada de ningu=E9m na internet sabe? >SECAM =E9 bem menos comum, =E9 o padr=E3o franc=EAs. >PAL-G =E9 90% das fitas que chegam da Europa - Inglaterra/Alemanha. Tudo pra me deixar bem maluca sabe? Pra eu n=E3o poder ver e tudo mais... o mundo seria muito melhor se tudo fosse S=D3 PAL-M!!!!!! >Ent=E3o!! Essas empresas, em especial uma que j=E1 usei, >transferem de qualquer padr=E3o (SECAM, PAL-G, PAL-I, PAL-H) para >NTSC, a=ED voc=EA assiste numa boa... mas custa caro (l=E1 fora custa >mais ainda). Haha, o dia que eu tiver uma fita e ainda tiver 50 reais pra mudar de .... pra NTSC, tipo, vai demorar (se acontecer).............. >=C9, alguns videos multisystem, que l=EAem qualquer norma de >tela/cor, custam uns $400~$500, meio caro... Mas hoje em dia >qualquer videozinho stereo nacional sai por uns $300... (ver >Pontofrio - video Gradiente stereo =3D $289, na realidade s=F3 =E9 >Gradiente por fora, por dentro =E9 modelo antigo da JVC, >mas muito bom!) A mesma pessoa que est=E1 sem dinheiro pra comprar um CDzinho do Kraftwerk realmente n=E3o est=E1 pensando em comprar um v=EDdeo cassete!!! Estou "feliz" com o meu Toshibinha, mono, duas cabe=E7as, que al=E9m de todos os acess=F3rios, grava o som com "vibrato" (todo destorcido)...... >Perfeito, ent=E3o vamos trocar figurinhas! >Me diga, onde costuma comprar / garimpar material do KW?!?!?! >Tenho uma lista... posso te passar! >Mas as fitas =E9 mais f=E1cil comprar pela Internet, tenho colega >dono de uma loja no Jap=E3o, l=E1 tem tudo... Aten=E7=E3o pra minha "enorme" lista: Shopping Paulista (Planet Music e BillBoard). Tem uma loja legal em um Promocenter na av. Paulista e outra loja no Promocenter da R. Augusta. Nessas lojas que eventualmente compro algum CD do KW....... ME PASSA ESSA LISTAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! PLIS? >Consegui sim!!! Mas estou sem video, por enquanto, para te >copiar - os dois est=E3o no conserto! Mas tem previs=E3o de retorno n=E3o!?!??!??! >Vou te deixar com inveja, eu estava l=E1! Falei com a rep=F3rter >(Renata Netto) antes da entrevista, tenho uma foto durante a >entrevista com o Florian, que eu apare=E7o!! Sem falar nos >aut=F3grafos... :-))) MIM QUEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Conseguiu me deixar mais pra baixo do que eu estava... espera ae, que eu vou dar uma puladinha da janela (quatro andares), acho que vai me fazer bem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:-( >Assti aos tr=EAs shows da sudamerika 98: Buenos Aires, Rio de >Janeiro e S=E3o Paulo. >Foi doen=E7a total!!! animal!! sem coment=E1rios, nem acredito >que isso realmente aconteceu! Ao mesmo tempo, acho rid=EDcula essa >coisa de "fan"... um marmanj=E3o de 24 anos correndo atr=E1s de 4 coroas >alem=E3es que n=E3o d=E3o a m=EDnima!!! Talvez esteja realizando agora o >que n=E3o realizei na 'puberdade'.. Pois eh, uma garota de 17 anos; Nota: Eu comecei a ouvir Kraftwerk em 1986 (eu tinha 5 anoooosssss!!!!!), foi o Electric Cafe o primeiro disco que ouvi. Essa garota aqui, correndo atras de "4 coroas alem=E3es" que ela acha que s=E3o os homens mais *bonitos* do universo, acha o sotaque do Ralf, a coisa mais bonitinha do mundo e quase s=F3 ouve Kraftwerk o dia inteiro.......... em mat=E9ria de ridicularidade e FANatismo, eu estou diranto nota 10 n=E3o?!?!??!? >voc=EA assistiu pelo menos a S=E3o Paulo?!?!? O que achou? NEM ISSOOOO!!!!!!! Nem em Sampa eu fui!!!!!! Estou sofrendo de uma depress=E3o incrivel pq n=E3o consegui ir (problemas pessoais e falta de ser maior de idade).................. MAS ELES V=C3O VOLTAR N=C3O EH!?!?!??! Agora chega de falar, deixa eu curtir aqui o meu mau humor pelo v=EDdeo cassete ter comido a fita onde gravei o Free Jazz, por n=E3o ter ido no Free Jazz, por n=E3o ter a MALDITA TV a cabo pra ver a entrevista do meu *querido* Florian........... se mau humor matasse, eu tava morta a essa altura do campionato!!!!!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: (kw) Entrevista do Florian Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:23:48 +0000 Pelo amor de deus, algu=E9m conseguiu gravar a MALDITA entrevista do Florian pro MultiShow?!?!?!? E eh claro, conseguiria POR FAVOOOOR me arranjar uma c=F3pia em fita de v=EDdeo ou qualquer forma de arquivo de v=EDdeo (AVI, MPG, RealVideo....) Obrigada a todos por sua aten=E7=E3o, Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 14 Dec 1998 02:59:27 +0300 Priscila Morsoletto wrote: > >Não espere isso dos gringos, eles são bem... gringos (=frios). > > Eu já fui mal recebida por brasileiros também... não espero nada de > ninguém na internet sabe? I'm terribly sorry, but I thought that the official language of this mailing list is ENGLISH. Polls are bad etc, but messages in a language which majority of people subscribed to this list don't understand is a complete waste of their money, bandwidth and disk space. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nitrous@home.com Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:08:29 -0500 Check this web sit out. It will translate it all for you for free. http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > Priscila Morsoletto wrote: > > > >Não espere isso dos gringos, eles são bem... gringos (=frios). > > > > Eu já fui mal recebida por brasileiros também... não espero nada de > > ninguém na internet sabe? > > I'm terribly sorry, but I thought that the official language of this mailing > list is ENGLISH. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark weddle Subject: (kw) Re: "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love)" Date: 13 Dec 1998 18:12:46 At 12:23 PM 12/13/98 -0500, Phil Lefkowitz wrote: > >May I ask fellow Kraftwerks enthusiasts to share their >experiences with ordering the new book "From Duesseldorf >to the Future (with Love)"? I stumbled across the book at RPM records in Garland, TX (http://rpmrecords.com/). It was $21 if I remember right. You might email them and see if they've ordered another copy. They definitely do mail order ... >Also any comemnts from people who have read the new book >would be welcome. I've read about 3/4ths of it so far and I've been very pleased and impressed with it. I really like how the author has gone to great lengths to show the links between KW and rap, electro, etc and used many interviews to obtain info ... markw@southwind.net http://www2.southwind.net/~markw/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: (kw) Everyone, I'm reallly sorry!!!!!! Date: 13 Dec 1998 23:04:48 +0000 Well, I KNOW, the official languague of it is ENGLISH. Everyone, I'm sorry!!!!!! I'll never be sending a message again in other language and I'm re-sending my last message in english...... I'm sorry!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: (kw) Entrevista do Florian (IN ENGLISH!) Date: 13 Dec 1998 23:10:06 +0000 I'm just wating the damn interview Florian's interview to the brazillian cabe TV channel "Multishow". Please, anyone can help me with a tape or a file (AVI, MPG or Realvideo)??? Come on friends, I really would like to see the interview, I *love* Florian and PLEEEAASEEEE, if you have it, help me ok? Thanks in advance, Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Entrevista do Florian (IN ENGLISH!) Date: 14 Dec 1998 04:22:01 +0300 Priscila Morsoletto wrote: > I'm just wating the damn interview Florian's interview to the > brazillian cabe TV channel "Multishow". Please, anyone can help me > with a tape or a file (AVI, MPG or Realvideo)??? Yes, that'll be really interesting (in a file). Someone can digitize and make a realvideo? Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lou Jean" Subject: RE: (kw) Klingklang-Crash Date: 14 Dec 1998 03:56:25 -0500 > The mp3-File of the klingklang-crash is now online: > > http://home.wtal.de/st.antonius/kw > Hey! Cool Historical Moment... ;-) .Thanx. Could anyone transcribe what the boys were saying (to public and between them) during the Krash? Thank you! Lou(c) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) News Photos From Kraftwerk in Brazil !!! Date: 14 Dec 1998 01:03:20 -0200 Hi Kraftwerks's Fans You be see, the news Photos from Kraftwerk playing in Rio de Janeiro - Museum of Modern Art , 16/10/98. They are in my persone Home Page. The adress is in the my surscribe! You be visit they!!! Thanks... Miguel Angelo C. Pra=E7a angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 14 Dec 1998 02:16:49 -0500 >>>Rap is garbage, plain and simple. Any idiot can sample someone music and put some babbling "lyrics" over it. Rap "artists" (now there's a contradiction in terms) steal other people's music because they are talentless trash that couldn't write a melody if someone put a gun to their heads. It all sounds the same. There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's the same beat, the same stupid arm movements, the same stupidity over and over and over again and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their wallets to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way beyond me. <<< 1. It's called hip-hop, not "rap." 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural movements of the century. 3. "Rappers" (not MCs) do not represent the music or the culture. If you think Puffy, Mase, and the like represent true hip-hop, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!!! You want lyrics? Hear KRS-One, Company Flow, Wu-Tang, Gang Starr, The Pharcyde, A Tribe Called Quest, Jeru the Damaja, Nas, and X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. 4. Beats ARE music! The absence of melody does not disqualify it from being music. It's a purely Western (and of Mighty Whytie) belief that melody is the essence of music. You can have music without melody, but you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. 5. Sampling is a legitimate form of musical composition. However, Puffy's let's-sample-the-entire-record-and-hope-that-it-becomes-a-hit approach is not what it's about. A real producer uses the sounds and textures and changes them around. Phat beats are created by DJ Premier, The RZA, Diamond D., 4th Disciple, Prince Paul, Sir Jinx, QD III, Prodigy (of Mobb Deep), and DJ Shadow, just to name a few. And I bet you even like DJ Shadow! 6. John Cage said that there's no sound that's not music. suggested web sites: www.hiphopsite.com www.templeofhiphop.com www.zulunation.com www.krib.com Rant over. Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smady Menko Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 01:09:03 -0800 (PST) ---Gary Pedoto wrote: > > I've only sent e-mail once to this list and that was when I first joined. Well maybe you should have kept it that way ;-). > I suspect a lot of people just read the posts like I do. Well, I think it's > > time I speak up about something. Maybe I'm going to make a lot > of people annoyed but, I don't care. What's the point of making a statment if you don't care about peoples reaction. > There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's the > same beat, Like Numbers, right ;-). Not much of a melody there is it, and what about those lyrics. Counting in different languages! Man, why can't hip-hop artists make lyrics like that? And still I think it's one KW's best. I laugh when I > hear people > refer to rap as "black" music. Oh you've humor, that's nice :-) To me "black" music is Motown. Does anybody > remember > Motown music? You know, music that had great lyrics, beautiful melodies and > great > arrangements written and performed by people who had TALENT? I'm talking > about > people like Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, The Spinners, The Supremes and > others. Yeah, like the Ronettes. Just because Phil Spector was invloved with one of them and did everything, they sure was talanted. When it comes to The Supremes, well Diana Ross sure was talanted, but singing had nothing to do with it. I'm sure that good 'ol Phil can tell you more about that part. Or perhaps you're talking about The Supremes in their pre Diana Ross era, then I would tend to agree more. > How about other's that weren't considered Motown but, were black and made > great > music like Ray Charles and Lou Rawls. By the way, In an interview, Lou > Rawls was asked > what he thought about rap. His reply was, "Put a "C" in front of it and > that's what I think." He he he, that's a good one ! Very ingenious ;-) I just wonder where all this leaves me who have listend to KW since -74 and hip-hop since -80 (among other things I might add). Kindest regards Smady _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kranemann / Dinger news Date: 14 Dec 1998 10:21:34 +0000 The following is quoted from http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html: New albums out on 1. Feb. 1999! 1-A Duesseldorf: Fettleber (Fat Liver) - CT CD-160 (Thomas Dinger & Nils Kristiansen) la! NEU? presents: Blue Point Underground in N.Y.C. - CT CD-161 (Eberhard Kranemann [ex. Kraftwerk, ex. NEU! live], Caroline Keufen, Oliver Blum) Both albums will be released by Captain Trip Records, Tokyo on 1. Feb. 1999! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "From Duesseldorf to the Future (with Love) Date: 14 Dec 1998 10:21:34 +0000 > I really like how the author has gone to great lengths to show the links > between KW and rap, electro, etc and used many interviews > to obtain info ... He hasn't really used so many interviews. In fact he is only trying to give the impression that he has used many interviews, as Ian Calder explained in list digest 233 (October 29th, 1998): ------ Quote------ Regarding the question mark over how much original research was done; if anyone cares to take a look at an article called 'What the papers say' from Aktivitaet issue 5 you will find quite a number of quotes that also reappear in the book in question. This either means I was very perceptive in choosing which quotes from Messrs Huetter and Schneider from past music press interview to include in my article and that my good judgement is mirrored by the authors extensive research or that the author simply found it a very handy source to cut and paste from without having to plough through the reams of past music press articles that I did. Bearing in mind the spooky similarity in numbers, I think the latter scenario is the more likely, somehow. ;-) Don't you? ----- End of quote ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 07:54:17 EST I am new to the list. I consider myself a big KW fan who is getting more and more into the group and still learning, and I am a major fan of rap music as well. My favorite KW songs are "NUMBERS" combined with "COMPUTER WORLD" (2), "THE TELEPHONE CALL", "NEON LIGHTS", "ELECTRIC CAFE", "TOUR DE FRANCE", AND "FRANZ SCHUBERT" combined with "ENDLESS ENDLESS". Anyway, I don't know any KW fans, so I would like to ask the list something that I am very interested in knowing: Are a lot of KW fans fans of rap music and electric funk (breakdance music) and vice versa? Electric funk comes from KW and a lot of old rap comes from electric funk and KW, and so on.... Egyptian Lover and Afrika Bambaataa have a lot of songs that sound Kraftwerkian. I have seen two anti-rap posts so far in my first hour on the list, so I know not every KW fan likes rap--not even a bit. In fact those posts were very disturbing. Anyway, I hope I like it here and look forward to reading your answers to my question if anyone bothers to answer. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 14 Dec 1998 07:11:05 EST In a message dated 98-12-14 07:02:11 EST, you write: > >>>Rap is garbage, Wow! My first post received from this particular list, and I have to read something so idiotic. >and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their >wallets to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way beyond >me. Well, I own about 400 rap albums, so I guess the answer would be: Very easily. > 3. "Rappers" (not MCs) do not represent the music or the culture. If you > think Puffy, Mase, and the like represent true hip-hop, YOU ARE DEAD > WRONG!!!! You want lyrics? Hear KRS-One, Company Flow, Wu-Tang, Gang > Starr, The Pharcyde, A Tribe Called Quest, Jeru the Damaja, Nas, and > X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth > about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the > iceberg. I would like to add to your list Chuck D/Public Enemy. I think PE is one of the most important groups (of any kind of music) of all time. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 09:08:07 -0600 Well, here comes the proverbial can of worms. I used to breakdance. I used to breakdance to Kraftwerk. I used to = breakdance to Rap back when it was still taboo and underground. I liked = it that way. Now it has gotten so commercialized and the videos SUCK. = I don't listen to Rap anymore. That monotone babble gets on my nerves. = But I do still listen to Old-School rap along with Kraftwerk. = Grandmaster Flash and the Furious five, Whodini, some Run DMC, = Mantronix, Twilight 22, Newcleus. These represent the very elemental in = rap. This was before the performers wore guns and drove rented Ferraris = in their videos. Before the drive by and gang reenactments. I guess I = have gotten too old. On the other hand I really enjoy tribal, techno, gabba, and all kinds of = high-energy dance music.=20 I guess I am not so old after all. Thanks, Chris Opinions are like armpits - everyone some and they all stink. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 6:54 AM I am new to the list. I consider myself a big KW fan who is getting = more and more into the group and still learning, and I am a major fan of rap = music as well. My favorite KW songs are "NUMBERS" combined with "COMPUTER WORLD" = (2), "THE TELEPHONE CALL", "NEON LIGHTS", "ELECTRIC CAFE", "TOUR DE FRANCE", = AND "FRANZ SCHUBERT" combined with "ENDLESS ENDLESS". Anyway, I don't know any KW fans, so I would like to ask the list = something that I am very interested in knowing: Are a lot of KW fans fans of rap = music and electric funk (breakdance music) and vice versa? Electric funk = comes from KW and a lot of old rap comes from electric funk and KW, and so on.... Egyptian Lover and Afrika Bambaataa have a lot of songs that sound Kraftwerkian. I have seen two anti-rap posts so far in my first hour on = the list, so I know not every KW fan likes rap--not even a bit. In fact = those posts were very disturbing. Anyway, I hope I like it here and look = forward to reading your answers to my question if anyone bothers to answer. S C O T T=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:06:31 +0300 Adam Schefflan wrote: > > 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural movements of > the century. > May be it is.. But I feel that not the best one. > > 3. "Rappers" (not MCs) do not represent the music or the culture. If you > think Puffy, Mase, and the like represent true hip-hop, YOU ARE DEAD > WRONG!!!! You want lyrics? Hear KRS-One, Company Flow, Wu-Tang, Gang > Starr, The Pharcyde, A Tribe Called Quest, Jeru the Damaja, Nas, and > X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth > about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the > iceberg. > Well, tastes differ. I think that music first of all should consist of musical sound, not text. For me important is how one sings, not the text he/she speaks. I live in a country where most people don't speak English and so don't understand the text. That's why not many people like rap (ok, hip-hop) over here. When they watch videoclips, they see people which look and act like they are bandits from the streets. I bet they don't think that "yeah, they must be teaching and speaking the truth about the ills of their (USAn) society.". They think that those rappers ARE the ills of the society. I always thought that music is international, that the listener can understand, FEEL the music not depending on where he lives. When I listen to rap I feel anger, nothing more, no different feelings, no nothing. I can listen to this music, but get quickly tired of it, because it gives the same feeling not depending on the song or group. Trance/gabba/hardcore don't differ much in this aspect as well. Did you think why rap is most often heard in cars? Because this music doesn't interfere with driving, because it is simple and monotonic, there is only beat which keeps you on the speed. Thats why Kraftwerk is special - Autobahn lets me feel the atmosphere of the road, T.E.E. lets me feel T.E.E., ComputerWorld .. well, the world of computers :-). Kraftwerk gives me feelings that no other group managed to give..., well, feelings that are not human by nature. I like Kraftwerk not because it may have influenced many modern artists, but because of its music. For me one Kraftwerk album is worth tons of albums by DJs. My language may be too simple, sorry, it's hard to express this kind of stuff in words... So, tastes differ... I think that rap is more a child (or hybrid) of music+poetry than music as we know it. I read somewhere that at least one KW member likes it because of this - it mixes together two so different things. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 10:37:01 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > I am new to the list. I consider myself a big KW fan who is getting more and Welcome! > Anyway, I don't know any KW fans, so I would like to ask the list something > that I am very interested in knowing: Are a lot of KW fans fans of rap music > and electric funk (breakdance music) and vice versa? Electric funk comes from > KW and a lot of old rap comes from electric funk and KW, and so on.... > Egyptian Lover and Afrika Bambaataa have a lot of songs that sound > Kraftwerkian. I have seen two anti-rap posts so far in my first hour on the I'm not particularly find of rap or hip-hop or whatever you want to call it because it seems to always be either bragging or trying to tell a story. Music is about sound, not words. I find vocals usually ruin an otherwise good piece of music - KW being an obvious exception. ;) I don't go around slagging rap though. People can listen to what they want, as long as they leave me to listen to what I like. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:34:27 EST In a message dated 98-12-14 10:07:56 EST, you write: > But I do still listen to Old-School rap along with Kraftwerk. Grandmaster > Flash and the Furious five, Whodini, some Run DMC, Mantronix, Twilight 22, > Newcleus. These represent the very elemental in rap. This was before the > performers wore guns and drove rented Ferraris in their videos. Before the > drive by and gang reenactments. I guess I have gotten too old. I listen to old school and old, old school. My favorite rap acts of all time are NWA, EPMD, Public Enemy, Eric B. & Rakim, Slick Rick, RUN DMC, Beastic Boys, old LL Cool J, and the very underrated Nice and Smooth. I feel that rap went down hill in about 1992 with, of course, a few exceptions. I am just saying that the best years were from about 1986 to 1991. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) rap music and sampling Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:52:45 EST For all the people who hate rap music primarily because of the sampling aspect, here is a fact: All of the following POP/NON-RAP acts have used samples: 1) Madonna 2) Janet Jackson 3) Mariah Carey 4) The Spice Girls 5) Prince S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cracked polystyrene man Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 18:11:12 -0500 >Anyway, I don't know any KW fans, so I would like to ask the list something >that I am very interested in knowing: Are a lot of KW fans fans of rap music >and electric funk (breakdance music) and vice versa? Electric funk comes from >KW and a lot of old rap comes from electric funk and KW, and so on.... >Egyptian Lover and Afrika Bambaataa have a lot of songs that sound >Kraftwerkian. I have seen two anti-rap posts so far in my first hour on the >list, so I know not every KW fan likes rap--not even a bit. In fact those >posts were very disturbing. Anyway, I hope I like it here and look forward to >reading your answers to my question if anyone bothers to answer. This was interesting enough to make me post for the first time... I have only gotten into KW in the last year through a friend. I was a huge fan of hip-hop as a school kid, from '82 until around '85 or '86 when it just lost its excitement for me. Since then, I've never gotten the same enjoyment out of the music as I did then - by then I mean the period of time the Rhino Hip-hop / Electric Funk discs cover, which are great I might add - because it seemed to get a little too sparse for my tastes. I do admire the lyricists - and there are great ones today - but it doesn't excite me in the same way that I was when I first heard a track like G.L.O.B.E. and Whiz Kid's "Play That Beat Mr. D.J.". I'm someone who likes all styles of music for the most part, but nothing has EVER moved me the way old school hip-hop did. Having said that, when I first heard KW, it transported me back into those days and that feeling, and my only other encounter with their music was the TEE line in "Planet Rock" (which is what made my friend introduce me to them) and the two minutes of TDF in the Breakin' film. So I think this topic is interesting, if not only because it made me share with the list the reason I like KW so much. Now I'll go back to lurking. Thanks for reading. Craig (B^)> Visit THE DOGHOUSE at http://doghouse.simplenet.com Visit THE DUNGEON at http://www.voicenet.com/~effigy (includes links to Paper Wings Online and Megiddo) "Don't tell me your God tells you it's right because your God is not everybody's God. That's why there were FOUR solo Kiss albums to choose from. One man's Ace Frehley is another man's Peter Criss." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:50:01 EST In a message dated 98-12-14 12:12:40 EST, you write: > Did you think why rap is most often heard in cars? Because this music doesn' > t > interfere with driving, because it is simple and monotonic, there is only > beat > which keeps you on the speed. I think the above statement is only a perception because you might be walking down a street and hear a car which is blasting rap music. You don't too often walk down a street and hear somebody blasting their country or classical music for whatever reason. The only way to really know what people are listening to in their cars while driving is to do a poll or drive around with every single person who listens to music while driving. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) rap music and sampling Date: 15 Dec 1998 02:22:23 +0300 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > For all the people who hate rap music primarily because of the sampling > aspect, here is a fact: All of the following POP/NON-RAP acts have used > samples: > > 1) Madonna > 2) Janet Jackson > 3) Mariah Carey > 4) The Spice Girls > 5) Prince Hmm, who says we like them ether? ;-) But really, I don't consider sampling bad, if it is used to make some new sounds, not just to steal everything and put some beats and text over it. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 15 Dec 1998 02:30:53 +0300 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-12-14 12:12:40 EST, you write: > > > Did you think why rap is most often heard in cars? Because this music doesn' > > t > > interfere with driving, because it is simple and monotonic, there is only > > beat > > which keeps you on the speed. > > I think the above statement is only a perception because you might be walking > down a street and hear a car which is blasting rap music. You don't too often > walk down a street and hear somebody blasting their country or classical music > for whatever reason. The only way to really know what people are listening to > in their cars while driving is to do a poll or drive around with every single > person who listens to music while driving. Well, maybe. But from what I heard from people selling music at the shops, the most often music style that is bought *specially* for car use is rap. Of course, really are no oficial poll results over here :-) Really I didn't wanted to say that people listen only rap in cars, they listen other music, which doesn't disturb them. Of course, again it depends on what listener likes. I even don't like to turn sound loud in any situation and find only a few artists continious listening to which doesn't bore me (how strange that might be, one CD of this kind is "Music from Pulp Fiction", maybe because it is mixed with excerpts from the movie). As I said, tastes differ.. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Searching Date: 14 Dec 1998 18:12:13 EST I have two questions: 1) I was at the June 7th, 1998 show in my hometown of San Francisco, California, USA and loved the show. Kraftwerk is not my favorite act of all time, but that show was certainly the best concert I had and still have been to. Anyway, if anyone has a copy of the show on CD or cassette, can I buy a copy from you? If you have another show available, I'm sure it was pretty similar and that would be nice too. Please let me know. And........ 2) Before I knew who KW was, I used to always hear their songs on "mix" or "hip-hop" stations, whatever you want to call them. Anyway, there was this song I always used to hear, and I don't know the artist or title. I am 99% sure it is not KW because I have heard just about everything they have put out commercially. This particular song does sound like KW because of the style. Throughout the song, is a boy saying, "Look!", "Look!". I think it might also have a guy on a CB talking like in "Numbers" (you know that part in "Numbers" where a guy says, "One, Two"), but I am not totally sure on the CB part. Does anybody have a clue? Do my clues help? I would love to get this song on any format. Thanks, S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) rap music and sampling Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > For all the people who hate rap music primarily because of the sampling > aspect, here is a fact: All of the following POP/NON-RAP acts have used > samples: > > 1) Madonna > 2) Janet Jackson > 3) Mariah Carey > 4) The Spice Girls > 5) Prince That's hardly a glowing endorsement of sampling. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 07:57:26 -0700 On Sun, Dec 13, 1998 at 03:47:42AM -0500, Gary Pedoto wrote: > Rap is garbage, plain and simple. Please take this thread to some other group where it might actually be remotely on-topic. Thanks. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 14 Dec 1998 11:09:40 EST On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:59:27 +0300 Vladimir Ivaschenko writes: > >Priscila Morsoletto wrote: > >> >Não espere isso dos gringos, eles são bem... gringos (=frios). >> >> Eu já fui mal recebida por brasileiros também... não espero nada de >> ninguém na internet sabe? > >I'm terribly sorry, but I thought that the official language of this >mailing >list is ENGLISH. > >Polls are bad etc, but messages in a language which majority of people >subscribed to this list don't understand is a complete waste of their >money, >bandwidth and disk space. > and, if you are going to insult people, please do so in their own language...thanks... tom w np: real intelligence III ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 12:18:10 -0500 (EST) At 03:47 AM 12/13/98 -0500, you wrote: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) if you consider all rap and hip-hop to be in the same category which you call "crap", then i must argue that all electronic music should be in the same category, which would place Yanni and Kraftwerk in the same category. according to your logic you would have to agree to this statement, and what an ignorant statement it is. every musical style has it's flukes, look at how Edgar Froese butchered the sound of Tangerine Dream in the '80's. they were worst than Yanni. so Puffy and the family fucked up rap, and it will take a long time to undo the damage they've created. my point is, don't be so ignorant, open your mind a bit. expand your horizons. there are other bands out there that play real instruments, and have melodies (Wyclef Jean, Lauryn Hill, etc) and DJ's who are proficient artists and not just idiots who steal KW music and play it in their mixes. honestly, if it wasn't for the sampling of KW by hip-hop, rap acts, i don't think there'd be so many KW fans around, they would die out like dinosaurs and young people would not bother to research the past, especially of a band that conseales it self from the public so much. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 14 Dec 1998 12:33:43 -0500 (EST) Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > >Kraftwerk gives me feelings that no other group managed to give..., Kraftwerk? Feeling? isn't that an oxymoron? a Paradox? For me one Kraftwerk >album is worth tons of albums by DJs. DJ's remix and make new music, it takes incredible skill, talent, coordination, and dexterity to be able to manipulate records the way DJ's do. take a listen to Q-bert, Invisble Scratch Piklz. no drum machines, no synthesizers, just man (DJ), machine (turntable), and music (record). now how is that different from KW? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary pedoto" Subject: (kw) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 14 Dec 1998 15:12:34 PST Adam Schefflan wrote: 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural movements of the century. Gary Pedoto replies: ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!!!!!! Please stop!!!....ha ha ha!!!...I can't breathe...ha! ha! ha!...(choke...cough) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary pedoto" Subject: (kw) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 14 Dec 1998 15:23:20 PST Gary Pedoto wrote: > There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's the > same beat, Smady Menko wrote: Like Numbers, right ;-). Not much of a melody there is it, and what about those lyrics. Counting in different languages! Man, why can't hip-hop artists make lyrics like that? And still I think it's one KW's best. Gary Pedoto replies: So do I. However, after Kraftwerk released that song, they didn't release 3000 other songs that song exactly like it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:38:36 -0500 (EST) >Really I didn't wanted to say that people listen only rap in cars, they listen >other music, which doesn't disturb them. really? i thought people listen to Gary Neuman in their cars, it's the only way to live. anyway, your're a cool cat, Vladimir. i dig Pulp Fiction too, all Tarantino movies. do you live in Russia or else where. i used to live there ten years ago, in Minsk. lenny g (Leonid) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 14 Dec 1998 23:30:20 -0500 (EST) 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural >movements of >the century. > >Gary Pedoto replies: > >ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!!!!!! >Please stop!!!....ha ha ha!!!...I can't breathe...ha! ha! >ha!...(choke...cough) to gery pedato: you are ignorant and oblivious to your environment. and you are in denial. to everyone else: just remember, it's only this guys opinion, not a fact, he is probably a hard core christian, conservative republican, and gay if he says things like that. he is in denial, let psychologists work on him, don't waste your breath. > Rap is garbage, plain and simple. Please take this thread to some other group where it might actually be remotely on-topic. Thanks. -- Lazlo Nibble now, you all heard the man, let's end it here. no more of that self-indulgent, ridiculus, off-topic, moronic, thought unprovoking, argumentative, invalid, ungentleman-like discussions about our opinions and such other unrelated material here. let's all wait for Mr. Zaepke or Mr. Automat to post something really important, like a mention of Kraftwerk in a magazine article in Luxemburg or San Marino. lighten up people, we are hear because of a common interest, let's celebrate that interest and not quibble about meaningless crap. so we have differing opinions, you know, i bet all of us have different hair too, but we don't yell and scream to each other about it. "oh, mine is brown, short and thinning. anyone here with long hair? please respond right away!" see how silly that is. so if someone wonders a bit off topic, don't frown on that person, just help them get back on target. thank you all, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 22:09:15 -0700 On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 11:30:20PM -0500, 47 wrote: >>> Rap is garbage, plain and simple. >> >> Please take this thread to some other group where it might actually be >> remotely on-topic. Thanks. > > now, you all heard the man, let's end it here. no more of that > self-indulgent, ridiculus, off-topic, moronic, thought unprovoking, > argumentative, invalid, ungentleman-like discussions about our opinions and > such other unrelated material here. Opinions are welcome here. Flamebait is not. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com this message powered by coldcut: "autumn leaves" -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 15 Dec 1998 00:32:31 -0500 (EST) >Opinions are welcome here. Flamebait is not. > >-- > Lazlo Nibble i apologize. i just thought we were a little too strict here, that's all. thank you, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Video Clips Date: 14 Dec 1998 11:47:16 +0100 ---------- > Da: Vladimir Ivaschenko > A: kraftwerk ; pri.letto@zipmail.com.br > Polls are bad etc, ......... > > Vladimir POLLS ARE NOT BAD !!!!!!!!!!! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 11:17:32 +0100 > Da: Gary Pedoto > Oggetto: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) > > > I love Kraftwerk. I have since 1974 and I think they are one of the most > original and influential bands in music but, I drives me crazy when I read > things about rap and hip-hop "music" and anybody even remotely comparing > that garbage to Kraftwerk or any other legitimate music. Rap is garbage, > plain and simple. Any idiot can sample someones music and put some > babbling "lyrics" over it. Rap "artists" (now there's a contradiction in > terms) > steal other people's music because they are talentless trash that couldn't > write a melody if someone put a gun to their heads. It all sounds the same. > There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's the > same beat, > the same stupid arm movements, the same stupidity over and over and over > again and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their wallets > to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way beyond me. > > Kraftwerk's music is strange, beautiful, meditative, simple, complex, > relaxing, > hypnotic, soothing, exciting and much more. Kraftwerk's music shows > thought, > intelligence, originality and talent. If sampling didn't exist, these rap > and hip-hop > idiots would all be working at McDonalds or stealing cars. I laugh when I > hear people > refer to rap as "black" music. To me "black" music is Motown. > > I realize Kraftwerk "influenced" these rap idiots. The problem is that > Krafwerk didn't influence > them to create their own music. That would require thought and talent. What > Kraftwerk > has done is give these morons a wealth of great music to steal by sampling > and then destroy > by "rapping' on top of it. Jimmy page should be ashamed of himself for that > travesty on Saturday > Night Live a few months back for letting that talentless rap idiot ruin > Kashmir. I thought nothing > could be that bad until I saw The Beastie Boys a few months after that > Kashmir thing. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS POINT !!!!!!!!!! > The bottom line is this; Kraftwerk is great and rap is garbage. If > Kraftwerk never releases > new material again, these rap morons could spend the rest of their lives > releasing a new > album every six months and ANY Kraftwerk song, (even Geiger Counter) would > be light > years ahead of anything they would release. > > Gary Why did you say "even Geiger Counter" ? I think Geiger Counter as one of the most representative songs in KW repertory. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 14 Dec 1998 11:59:41 +0100 > Da: Adam Schefflan > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com > > 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural movements of > the century. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! 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Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 14 Dec 1998 12:05:27 +0100 > Da: Smady Menko > A: kraftwerk@xmission.com > > There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. It's > the > > same beat, > > Like Numbers, right ;-). Not much of a melody there is it, and what > about those lyrics. Counting in different languages! Man, why can't > hip-hop artists make lyrics like that? Why?!? Because they are NOT Kraftwerk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Kindest regards > Smady Kindest regards Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Schepers Subject: stop ! was: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 15 Dec 1998 11:04:07 +0100 dear christian, please stop posting mails like these. time and bandwith are too expensive for jokes like this. and please, don't quote dozends of lines to add one or two lines of comment. thank you. andreas http://www.andreas.de/kraftwerk/ btw: hiphop is along with jazz probably the most important us-american contribution to culture ever. peace. ---- Andreas Schepers NetMedia GmbH http://www.net-media.de Schubertstrasse 8 D-66111 Saarbruecken -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Christian Di Sante [mailto:robotnik@iol.it] Gesendet am: Montag, 14. Dezember 1998 12:00 An: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; Adam Schefflan Betreff: R: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) > Da: Adam Schefflan > A: kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com >=20 > 2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural = movements of > the century. =20 Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! (more of copy-paste trash deleted) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) trade CDs Date: 15 Dec 1998 08:06:01 -0200 Hi, my friends. I want the following CDs: TANGERINE DREAM - CYCLONE RICOCHET I have for swap - KRAFTWERK live at TRIBAL GATHERING on CD-R (great show!!! excellent quality) KRAFTWERK live at Belgium (1991) on VIDEO (NTSC color system) If interested, please, contact me privately. Thanks. Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Conny Plank Date: 15 Dec 1998 11:37:57 +0100 Conny Plank produced D¤A¤F's compilation "D¤A¤F" also. I find it very good for all lovers of minimal industrial music. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 15 Dec 1998 11:27:48 +0100 > Da: 47 <47@radiolink.net> > For me one Kraftwerk > >album is worth tons of albums by DJs. > > DJ's remix and make new music, it takes incredible skill, talent, > coordination, and dexterity to be able to manipulate records the way DJ's > do. take a listen to Q-bert, Invisble Scratch Piklz. no drum machines, no > synthesizers, just man (DJ), machine (turntable), and music (record). now > how is that different from KW? > > lenny g Because KW uses drum machines and synthesizers, it's obvious ! ! ! They produces their OWN music, they don't create a collage of music by DIFFERENT artists ! Isn't it? Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 15 Dec 1998 11:04:37 +0100 > Da: Vladimir Ivaschenko > > 3. "Rappers" (not MCs) do not represent the music or the culture. If you > > think Puffy, Mase, and the like represent true hip-hop, YOU ARE DEAD > > WRONG!!!! You want lyrics? Hear KRS-One, Company Flow, Wu-Tang, Gang > > Starr, The Pharcyde, A Tribe Called Quest, Jeru the Damaja, Nas, and > > X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth > > about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the > > iceberg. > > > > Well, tastes differ. I think that music first of all should consist of musical > sound, not text. For me important is how one sings, not the text he/she speaks. > I live in a country where most people don't speak English and so don't > understand the text. That's why not many people like rap (ok, hip-hop) over > here. When they watch videoclips, they see people which look and act like they > are bandits from the streets. I bet they don't think that "yeah, they must be > teaching and speaking the truth about the ills of their (USAn) society.". They > think that those rappers ARE the ills of the society. WONDERFUL ! ! ! >For me one Kraftwerk album is worth tons of albums by DJs. YOU ARE MY BEST FRIEND ! ! ! > My language may be too simple, sorry, it's hard to express this kind of stuff in > words... NO PROBLEM ! > Vladimir Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:04:06 +0300 47 wrote: > >Really I didn't wanted to say that people listen only rap in cars, they listen > >other music, which doesn't disturb them. > > really? i thought people listen to Gary Neuman in their cars, it's the only > way to live. > Ok, I admit I could be wrong wit this. Unfortunately I'm still far from KW ideals - I make mistakes, so I'm still human :-( What's worse, I listen to acoustic music and I like jazz ;) > > anyway, your're a cool cat, Vladimir. i dig Pulp Fiction too, all Tarantino > movies. do you live in Russia or else where. i used to live there ten > years ago, in Minsk. > That was back in Soviet Union then. Yeah, I live in Russia. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: (kw) Re: KW and modern music. (was Re: RAP and KW) Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:03:38 +0300 47 wrote: > Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > > > >Kraftwerk gives me feelings that no other group managed to give..., > > Kraftwerk? Feeling? isn't that an oxymoron? a Paradox? > Yeah, sort of. I was thinking about it. You know, machine feelings. I said that there are no human feelings. But there are other and strange. I still don't understand them really, you know, when you listen to other music, you feel happy or bad, love or hate etc.. When I listen to Kraftwerk, I feel something other, non-human, I feel it. Previously I had this feelings (or emotions) when I was placing them in reality - eg., I remember when 10 years ago I (visited for the first time) computing center with a big room with mainframe and three floors of terminals :-) Printers were typing, tapes were rewinding, lights were flashing... Listening to Computer World I get the same emotions, but via music.. Hmm... > > For me one Kraftwerk > >album is worth tons of albums by DJs. > > DJ's remix and make new music, it takes incredible skill, talent, > coordination, and dexterity to be able to manipulate records the way DJ's > do. take a listen to Q-bert, Invisble Scratch Piklz. no drum machines, no > synthesizers, just man (DJ), machine (turntable), and music (record). now > how is that different from KW? > Hmm, KW makes music about man-machine, but KW were not man machine when they were making their music (they are when they are playing it, however). You know, there is some science fiction story about future when the machines took all the hard work from human, but the human was left to create, to invent, because that was the thing machines couldn't do. They could improve what they had, but they couldn't invent anything completely new. So human and machines were living together in symbiosis. But still DJ music is not for me, it annoys and bores me, because *for me* it almost always sounds the same. The same beats (but different samples), with the same passages etc.. Recently I was listening to some "hits" (yeah, I don't admit that their music is really the best of their kind...) - "babydrop","venus rapsody","children","breath of sax", and you know, their music was structered, constructed the same, and it sounded the same, and it had the same feeling (really I feel sleepy after listening to it). Also, much of the music doesn't have an idea (or is it hided so well?). All KW songs (starting at least from Autobahn period) have some kind of original idea. Radioactivity, transmitter/antenna, neon lights, Europe is endless... Now what is DJ music about? I do not say that I don't like music by DJs/rappers. I can like it, listen to it several times, but after some time I become bored with it and it just becomes another CD in my collection. Now there are CDs which I listen at least once in two days. Among them are all KW, YELLO, JMJARRE (another strange fact; his music is somewhat simple sometimes, but I still like it), some of the Art of Noise.. I can put a KW CD in CD player, turn on loop mode, and listen to it 10 times continiously before my ears would feel that I need to change it (while doing work). I don't get bored. And speaking about dexterity - hmmm, never noticed this from KW :-) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Video Clips Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:08:52 +0300 thomas m weibrecht wrote: > >bandwidth and disk space. > > > > and, if you are going to insult people, please do so in their own > language...thanks... Ok, may be I was unpolite with that guy.. I'm sorry. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Neotropic I-F Bradley Strider Bochum Welt Dynamix II Tangerine Dream Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:37:45 +0100 The new album "Mr. Brubaker's Strawberry Alarm Clock" (NTone, 1998) by Neotropic (Riz Maslen (a.k.a. Small Fish With Spine)), apparently, includ= es a cover version of "Hall of Mirrors". Is anybody able to confirm this? "Space Invaders Are Smoking Grass" by I-F is a song (included in their "Fucking Consumer" (Disko B) LP) made by means of catchy retrofuturism an= d robotic chorus. Bradley Strider has a record entitled "Bradley's Robot" (Rephlex cat020). Bochum Welt (aka Gianluigi Di Constanzo), in his CD-singles "Desktop Robotics" (Rephlex cat051, 1997) and "Feelings On A Screen" (Rephlex cat046, 1997) has clear influences from KRAFTWERK, Trevor Horn, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Thomas Dolby (with whom also has collaborated) and the Sheffiel= d scene of the early eighties. "Non Stop Electro Megamix. From 1985 To Present" 4LP/CD (Rephlex cat065) = is a compilation of the 12"s by Dynamix II. And the KRAFTWERK's influence is not only in the title. Tangerine Dream have released recently two albums "Tournado-Live in Europ= e" (recorded in 1997) and "Quiona" (with three unreleased tracks). BTW, I've got (available for sale or trade) an only spare copy of cassett= e Kraftwerk/Organisation "Tone Float". If you're interested e-mail me. Firs= t come first served. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Hip - Hop Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:19:57 PST If somebody on this list with +- 28/30 years old, remember, The Afrika=20 Bambaata/Soul Sonic Force 1982 Planet Rock song uses the NUMBER drum=20 beats with T.E.E. basic melody !!!!!!! And I believe, the drums beat is not a sampled edition to Planet Rock=20 song, only the TEE melody !!!!! Samples are old than can you imagine !!,=20 because we are in 1998/99 - 1982 =3D 16 year of history, this for actual=20 music tecnology is like a century !!!! And today all bands using the=20 modern synthetizers, virtual analog sinthetizers and keyboards, uses=20 sample for the basic song engine, nothin live without samples, on live=20 PA, use and abuses about samples, like others moderns bands, the problem=20 is not the samples , is the creativity, some have, some no !!!!!! Listen=20 , before discuss, critical comments about samples is only if you really=20 know you talking about !!! We are turning to the second milenium of christian age, why not uses the=20 technology, samples, drum boxes, but with creativity, the great dream of=20 technology=B4s men is imitate the nature, today we can imitate the songs,= =20 this is first steps, Kraftwerk make this 20 year ago !!! and continue=20 actual than some todays bands !!!! and uses samples, or you believe the=20 live show you see is realtime played ???? !!!!! Thanx for all here !!!! IMHO, let discuss about KRaftwerk and their=20 influences, everybody usus technology, we are using e-mail to=20 communication, but I never see the faces of people here, but have some=20 feeling, virtual, but this exists !!!!! ************************************************** ** Merry Christmas - Happy, very happy New Year ** ** Peace and music for all people of the world ** ************************************************** The Sintetik Way Of Life - sintetik@hotmail.com =20 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolau Centola" Subject: (kw) Here we go again! Date: 15 Dec 1998 03:58:40 PST Where is Mr. Zaepke? Maybe on vacation? Help us, please! Here we go again in another flame battle... and now not for our=20 favourite band (well, I consider KW is our favourite band. If not, maybe=20 this list has no reason to live). We (not me, please) started to talk about rap and so on... I remember=20 some time ago we talked about the toppics for this list. And it seemed=20 rasonable for me that this list is dedicated to KW and "related" bands.=20 Yes, I know the term "related" is very subjective, but if we start to=20 talk about all bands or music influenced by KW, we HAVE to talk about=20 rap, eletronic music, David Bowie, Brian Eno, new wave, Ultravox, Devo,=20 Industrial, Acqua, Frente, dance, hip hop, disco, Giorgio Moroder, even=20 Heavy Metal (treponem pal made a nice cover from radioactivity), ebm=20 (somebody remember them?), Joy Division, pop music, techno, jungle,=20 classical music (maybe Barlanescu?), eletronic jazz, Duran Duran and new=20 romantics (anybody remember Classix Noveaux?), another 1.694.002.536.776=20 undergroud (or not) bands, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... So please, I don=B4t have nothing against rap or hip hop. It=B4s not my=20 favourite kind of music... I have to confess I listened some first=20 generation artists some time ago (maybe 8 or 10 years ago)... and I=B4m a= =20 little bit borrowed about this music. The new rap artists now just talk=20 about how many girls they took, or the size of their penis and so on...=20 and this is not my favourite kind of lyrics. (please don=B4t took it like an generalization. Of course I know there=B4= s a=20 lot of rap artists talking about many important themes. So please don=B4t= =20 send me a list of them, OK?) Did you note I called rap bands like artists and not musicians? Well,=20 IMHO, rap is much more connected with speak and not music. Musician is a=20 guy who plays music, and artist is a guy who express their culture=20 through a lot of different ways, including music, but not only music.=20 OK, don=B4t send me no consideration about the difference between=20 musician, artists, rap, pop, music or noise, please. I will not talk=20 about it. It=B4s just my oppinion. Look, I=B4m not against a little of rap at KW list, I said more than one=20 time I love to hear all kind of oppinions... but please, don=B4t make it=20 the only toppic of our list, OK? If you love to talk about rap, there=B4s= =20 a lot of rap lists in the net. I would not like to open my mail and have=20 428 messages about rap and not even one about KW (it can be just one=20 from our friend Automat talking about a concert from a band playing KW=20 music or Klaus talking about a corean article about KW. I like this=20 too..) Please Klaus, come back! :-) BTW, Merry Christmas for everybody!!! peace Nicolau http://members.xoom.com/kraftworld/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jan Luitingh" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #246 Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:08:51 GMT-3 Dear members. My name is Jan Luitingh. I am a Kraftwerk fan, and living in South Africa. My music liking varies from Bach, Bartok, Chopin, Moricone, Mike Oldfield to Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani and so on. Then, I like Kraftwerk. I would say, one don't listen to KW, you live it!! I particularly like the German versions of their Albums, because they are really Germans, although I own some of their English versions. The Man Mashine and Electric Cafe is my favourites. No, let me refrase: My favourites is all of KW, but I listen to these the most!! I was really worried when I received the first digest, because I thought that some of the people that contribute to it, aren't really Kraftwerkers, because they act/debate like idiots!! For me, to listen to Kraftwerk, you have to be intelligent and open minded. Try to stop the bullshit and get on with intelligent debate and informative discussions!!! I like to know if every single little roomer on a new album is true or just a hoax? Lets discuss this like Kraftwerkers, instead of insulting each other like stupid people, O.K!! I also want to find out, given the age of the two "permanent" members of the group (nota bene: not band!!), if there is any future for tours, concerts or new albums/singles. (I know about their new two "werks" that was recently performed. Cheers and thank you very much Jan Luitingh Pretoria, South Africa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Pedoto" Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Date: 15 Dec 1998 10:32:47 -0700 If joined a group to read about The Beatles, that's what I would expect to read about. If I joined a group to read about Rick Wakeman, I would expect to read about Rick Wakeman. I joined this group to read about Kraftwerk. I came here to find where to buy concert recordings, rare LPs, CDs and other things related to KRAFTWERK. I didn't join this group to hear about Puff Pappa Crack Head and MC Grandmaster Car Thief. Before any of you politically correct watchdogs starts calling me a racist... My black friends won't even allow that crap in their house. I work with a black guy (the son of one of my friends) who brings that garbage in to work and every other word is motherf__cker, cocks__ker, ni__er, etc... Real uplifting and positive music, huh? How about keeping this list about KRAFTWERK? Those of you accusing me of going off topic should go back and read past posts. One night, as I was reading the latest digest, I thought I received the wrong list. I got half-way down the page until I saw something about KRAFTWERK. This is a KRAFTWERK group, in case some of you have forgotten. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Automat BS Date: 15 Dec 1998 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Der Automat wrote: > The new album "Mr. Brubaker's Strawberry Alarm Clock" (NTone, 1998) by > Neotropic (Riz Maslen (a.k.a. Small Fish With Spine)), apparently, includes > a cover version of "Hall of Mirrors". > Is anybody able to confirm this? You seem to have the information--why does this need "confirming??" > Tangerine Dream have released recently two albums "Tournado-Live in Europe" > (recorded in 1997) and "Quiona" (with three unreleased tracks). I like TD, but why are you giving us all this non-KW info? Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Africa Bambaataa and KW Date: 15 Dec 1998 12:34:30 EST A few years ago, I saw a show on public television about rap music and its roots. Kraftwerk was mentioned in this show. I could of sworn that Africa Bambaataa said that he introduced KW to America. When he said this, he didn't mean by doing "Planet Rock", but by telling club DJs about TEE and "Autobaun". Is this true or did Americans know about KW way before hand? S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 15 Dec 1998 12:37:38 EST In a message dated 98-12-14 21:52:49 EST, you write: > > There's no melody, there's no originality, there's no nothing. > It's > the > > same beat, I think that anybody that does not enjoy or maybe understand rap music would think that all rap sounds alike. I'm not too much into country or classical. I feel the same way, and that is most of those types of music sound the same. What does "unt Kraft" mean anyway? S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) (C) rap "music" and hip-hop (music) Date: 15 Dec 1998 12:30:42 EST In a message dated 98-12-14 21:47:27 EST, you write: > who steal KW music and play it in their mixes. honestly, if it wasn't for > the sampling of KW by hip-hop, rap acts, I own over 400 rap albums, and honestly, I have not heard too many artists that sample KW. On the top of my head, I can think of Sir Mix-A-Lot, Kool G Rap and DJ Polo, and MC Lyte using samples of KW music. What am I missing? I don't include Planet Rock as a sample because that sounds like it was re-done and not sampled. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Date: 15 Dec 1998 19:14:15 +0000 > This is a KRAFTWERK group, in case some of you have forgotten. well, maybe it's a short time you are here, but you know, after a while you just run out of matters directly related to K. if sometime someone take it from a wider point of view - without exaggerations, well, where is the problem?... I am sure you had all the occasion to read about cd, boot, concert etc. take the other messages as a plus and think how boring an empty list could be. and please all, don't talk like professors to other, ok? try to be more nice. someone talk like he has all the wisdom of the world and just look like a frustrated stupid. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Related Artists Date: 15 Dec 1998 13:04:43 EST Hi. I am interested in knowing about other artists who sound like KW. I have heard of a group I think called Elektrik Musik or something to that effect. Also, who is this group called Kraftwelt? I always see their albums in the KW section, especially at Virgin Megastore. I am especially interested in stuff that came out in the 1980's. It is kind of hard to get into most music of the 1990's. Anyway, if you can suggest some other similar artists, please let me know if their stuff is still available. Thanks, S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Date: 15 Dec 1998 12:38:07 -0600 >My black friends won't even allow that crap in their house. I work with = a black guy=20 Good for you. Since KW was so influential in early rap, I'd say that = discussing KW and rap is definitely ON the subject. > This is a KRAFTWERK group, in case some of you have forgotten. You're right, this is a KRAFTWERK group. How many times can you talk = about Florian's latest haircut? If you choose to discuss nothing but KW = and exclude all other related subjects, this email list will become = like, well, rap. Redundant and very repetitive. I think we're just too old for this. Face it, my fellow KW fans. We're = just a bunch of grumpy old men, and women. Have we become our parents? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:33 AM If joined a group to read about The Beatles, that's what I would expect to read about. If I joined a group to read about Rick Wakeman, I would expect to read about Rick Wakeman. I joined this group to read about Kraftwerk. I came here to find where = to=20 buy concert recordings, rare LPs, CDs and other things related to=20 KRAFTWERK. I didn't join this group to hear about Puff Pappa Crack Head and MC Grandmaster Car Thief.=20 Before any of you politically correct watchdogs starts calling me a racist... My black friends won't even allow that crap in their house. I work with = a black guy (the son of one of my friends) who brings that garbage in to work = and every other=20 word is motherf__cker, cocks__ker, ni__er, etc... Real uplifting and positive music, huh? How about keeping this list about KRAFTWERK? Those of you accusing me of going off topic should go back and read past posts. One night, as I was = reading the latest digest, I thought I received the wrong list. I got half-way down the = page until I saw something about KRAFTWERK. This is a KRAFTWERK group, in case some of you have forgotten. Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: = http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Africa Bambaataa and KW Date: 15 Dec 1998 12:30:05 -0700 SLDubster writes: >A few years ago, I saw a show on public television about rap music and its >roots. Kraftwerk was mentioned in this show. I could of sworn that Africa >Bambaataa said that he introduced KW to America. When he said this, he didn't >mean by doing "Planet Rock", but by telling club DJs about TEE and "Autobaun". >Is this true or did Americans know about KW way before hand? Poppycock! Gay and black DJ's were spinning TEE in clubs back in '77. Dance crowds even emulated robotic moves on the dancefloor. Brian Chin writes: ".....co-founder Ralf Hutter was already hearing his own music at New York after-hours loft parties around 1976..." DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) R E S P E C T O N E A N O T H E R Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:10:49 -0000 O.K. everyone this is getting out of hand. Its time to get back to basics, this is a Kraftwerk mail list, lets keep it that way and not turn it into a free for all slagging match. Respect others musical taste and views as they respect yours. If you feel you cant then you should leaving the list. Jim Members Numbers Money People # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:31:48 -0500 Date: 15 Dec 1998 13:26:46 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Lbo wrote: > > This is a KRAFTWERK group, in case some of you have forgotten. > > well, maybe it's a short time you are here, but you know, after a while > you just run out of matters directly related to K. if sometime someone > take it from a wider point of view - without exaggerations, well, where > is the problem?... I don't see a problem, as long as the wanderings stay KW-related. It would be nice if we could be civil about our disagreements as well. I think a case can be made that KW had some influence on early rap and hip-hop and I'm not against discussion of that, but I'm tired of this debate over modern hip-hop that has little or no relation to KW. I would rather see an empty list than this noise. > I am sure you had all the occasion to read about cd, boot, concert etc. > take the other messages as a plus and think how boring an empty list > could be. It's been empty before. No big deal. > and please all, don't talk like professors to other, ok? try to be more > nice. someone talk like he has all the wisdom of the world and just > look like a frustrated stupid. Are you suggesting that we should not use our best grammar and spelling? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Related Artists Date: 15 Dec 1998 13:32:47 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > Hi. I am interested in knowing about other artists who sound like KW. I have > heard of a group I think called Elektrik Musik or something to that effect. Others know more about that than I do. As I understand it, EM was formed by Karl Bartos after he left KW. He took a lot of KW samples along with him. I only have one EM single though, so I don't have much to say about them. > Also, who is this group called Kraftwelt? I always see their albums in the KW > section, especially at Virgin Megastore. I am especially interested in stuff Kraftwelt albums are tributes to Kraftwerk. The first three are "Electric Dimension", "Deranged in Space" and "Retroish". I recommend them, but I also say they're not KW-ish music. Some of their tracks could be said to have a KW flavor, but they are mostly a different style. > that came out in the 1980's. It is kind of hard to get into most music of the > 1990's. Anyway, if you can suggest some other similar artists, please let me > know if their stuff is still available. I can't think of much from the 80s, but there is Komputer, of course. I consider their "World of Tomorrow" very KW-like. There is also a compilation of KW tributes out called "Trancewerk Express vol. 1" - I'm not sure if there is a second volume or not. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 15 Dec 1998 21:51:05 +0100 > Da: SLDubster@aol.com > > Hi. I am interested in knowing about other artists who sound like KW. I have > heard of a group I think called Elektrik Musik or something to that effect. > Also, who is this group called Kraftwelt? I always see their albums in the KW > section, especially at Virgin Megastore. I am especially interested in stuff > that came out in the 1980's. It is kind of hard to get into most music of the > 1990's. Anyway, if you can suggest some other similar artists, please let me > know if their stuff is still available. You should try to listen to ALL Kraftwelt albums :Electric Dimension, Retroish, Deranged in space; they' re beautiful. Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much their first album "Esperanto". If you liked Computer World you must buy Elecktroids album Elecktroworld. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) KW on italian TV!!! Date: 15 Dec 1998 22:08:15 +0100 It's incredible!!!!!! On italian TV national channel RAI2, at 20:40 today, in background of a report there was a cover version of Autobahn, like the ones you can find in Synthesizer Compilations ! ! ! It run for about 30 sec. Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: (kw) Misc. Date: 15 Dec 1998 11:44:46 +0100 >Musziknut wrote: >2. Hip-hop is one of the most important musical and cultural movements of >the century. You=B4re definatly right, but as most things get commercial at a = certain point, they loose originality as well as cultural importance. With = people like Puff Daddy, HipHop went the same way e.g. Synthi Pop went, it was underground first and then got commercial... >4. Beats ARE music! The absence of melody does not disqualify it from >being music. It's a purely Western (and of Mighty Whytie) belief that >melody is the essence of music. You can have music without melody, but >you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. Just think of some traditional arabian music, which is arhythmic.=20 >6. John Cage said that there's no sound that's not music Now that=B4s a true statement, and I Ralf and Florian would agree to = that too! >Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: >I live in a country where most people don't speak English and so don't >understand the text. That's why not many people like rap (ok, hip-hop) over >here.=20 Hmm, here in Germany it=B4s vice versa, if more people would understand = what they=B4re singing (or better: saying), they=B4d stop listening to it... = (Stuff like "I=B4m not a player, I just fuck a lot" or "I=B4m the best in all positions"... Got not much to do with the political motivaton of the = early HipHop artists) But we shouldn=B4t dicuss about HipHop, some of us like it, some = don=B4t, there=B4s no point in discussing that, the point is we=B4re here = because we all like Kraftwerk. On Sunday, I=B4ve listened to the radio (HR XXL, a station here in = Hesse where they play mainly "young" music) and they played a song I didn=B4t know = and the presenter said after it "This was what electronic music sounded like = BEFORE there was techno". Then they gave a historical overview of the = development of electronic music, starting with the 1920=B4s instruments, mentioning = the big influence of Stockhausen, the Krautrock era and the SynthiPop in = the beginning of the 80=B4s (Depeche Mode, OMD, etc.). They also mentioned = how the instruments changed and other styles that grew more or less directly = from that root, like EBM and Industrial and even the early HipHop. They = haven=B4t mentioned KW to that point, but that changed: "The band with the = biggest influence to this process...", but they haven=B4t told anything new. It = ended with the sound of TEE in the background, which was changed to the remix = of Anthony Rother then. I really didn=B4t expect to hear KW on this = station, so it really made my day! :) Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Spedding Subject: (kw) The list Date: 15 Dec 1998 21:52:45 +0000 Chris Stann wrote: "How many times can you talk about Florian's latest haircut" Florian still has hair to cut?? I loved all the postings about RAP, Hip Hop and Kraftwerk. Much is made of Kraftwerk's influence on this atypical American style of music and therefore, IMHO, it is on topic. I thought/think it is an interesting debate, I learnt much, and there was some great humour laced into it (as well as some unnecessary bluntness) Thank you one and all who added to the debate! On another matter... Has anyone produced a really interesting bootleg, devoid of irritating non-kraftwerk re-mixes and instead full of never-before-released-on-cd original Kraftwerk tracks. Examples abound: The non-English/German language tracks (eg.Sex-Object in Spanish) Housephone and similar b-sides The Tour de France versions (yeah, one's a remix, but an original one!) etc. Surely that would be worth putting together. -- Philip S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Stann Subject: RE: (kw) The list Date: 15 Dec 1998 16:30:58 -0600 Chris Stann wrote: "How many times can you talk about Florian's latest haircut" Florian still has hair to cut?? [Chris Stann] My point, exactly. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:13:05 EST In a message dated 98-12-15 16:15:25 EST, you write: > Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much > their first album "Esperanto". > If you liked Computer World you must buy Elecktroids album Elecktroworld. Are any of these two albums available on any format in the U.S. currently? Are these albums that I can buy from Esprit in the U.K.? S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Inventions and patents Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:27:54 EST In Chuck D's book "Fight The Power", he mentions Kraftwerk. I think he mentioned that KW invented and/or owns patents on many or some instruments used by many artists today. Can anybody elaborate on this? S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Tour de France Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:20:03 EST I'm sure most of the members on this list know this, but in case you don't, there is a compilation album called OLD SKOOL STREET JAMZ, VOLUME 1 that includes the song "Tour De France". I mention this because the album is available on CD. From what I know, it is still in print, but I never see it at stores. There is also a remix of "Tour De France" available on a CD called WICKED MIX, CLASSIC COLLECTION (CD 7). I don't know if these Wicked Mix CDs and vinyl are something only available in my area or what. I live in San Francisco, California, U.S.A. The remix is 6 minutes and 27 seconds long and was done by a guy named Edwin Bautista. S C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PITT Mike Subject: (kw) Tour De Kraft xmas update Date: 15 Dec 1998 21:51:00 -0000 It's Christmas time at Tour De Kraft: MP3 from the 1981 tour; Autobahn - Paris The Cover version is 'Ruckzuck' from Trance Werk Express Mike. Kraftwerk Live 1981 and Cover Versions. http://website.lineone.net/~mike.pitt/tdk.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: Re: (kw) Hip - Hop Date: 16 Dec 1998 04:15:50 +0100 (CET) On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:19:57 PST, Ricardo Cassolatto wrote: > >If somebody on this list with +- 28/30 years old, remember, The Afrika >Bambaata/Soul Sonic Force 1982 Planet Rock song uses the NUMBER drum >beats with T.E.E. basic melody !!!!!!! Could someone make a MP3 of this song one day please? I'd like to hear how it looks like... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) KlingKlang Update 1.2 Date: 16 Dec 1998 11:18:29 +0100 OK, now we've been reading 200 mails about Hip hop, or whatever it's called=2E It's time for something more uplifting (I hope), I've updated the video=20 section of my homepage on: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/ Just click the "GOTO KW VIDEO OF THE MONTH: " and you get it=2E This time it's Homecomputer, Brussels-91, a pretty dark video (on the dark=20 part of the year, at least here on the northern hemisphere) but you can at=20 least see the computer graphics on the videoscreens and sometimes you can=20 catch a glimpse of Ralfs shadow or Florians lit hands, not to talk about wh= en=20 the green neonlights light up the back of KW:s legs! (The connection on Tripod was a bit slow today, but the video is up for a=20 month=2E Hope you'll enjoy it, next month I'll put up the next one=2E /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Misc. Date: 16 Dec 1998 12:05:04 +0000 > >you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. you cannot, you cannot... why not? be more elastic on this... it's a matter of opinion... > >6. John Cage said that there's no sound that's not music >=20 > Now that=B4s a true statement, and I Ralf and Florian would agree to th= at too! yees, they also said something like this, somewhere, about autobahn and about lifters, if I remember well. Florian said that he learned to recognize the music in every noise, say car engines and so on. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timon Marmex Trzepacz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 04:03:26 -0800 Hey, check it out! You can look at Kraftwerk's patent on IBM's US patent server! (There are pictures too! Search for yourself at http://patent.womplex.ibm.com) It's for "The ornamental design for an electronic precussion musical instrument." Essentially, it's an electronic drum with 14 pads. This was the only patent I was able to find from Kraftwerk. Here is the header information... there are two pages of pictures on IBM's site. ---cut here---------------------------------------------------------- USD0244717: Electronic percussion musical instrument Inventor(s): Schneider; Florian , 4 Dusseldorf, Federal Republic of Germany Hutter; Ralf , 415 Krefeld, Federal Republic of Germany Applicant(s): none Issued/Filed Dates: June 14, 1977 / July 10, 1975 Application Number: US1975000594705 IPC Class: D170 4 /; D170 5 /; Class: D56/001.E; Field of Search: D56/1 R,1 E 084/1.01,1.26,DIG. 12 Attorney, Agent, or Firm: James; Maxwell; Primary/Assistant Examiners: Stearman; Joel; Corrigan; Jane G. U.S. References: Patent Inventor Issued Title US3141919* Mabuchi 7 /1964 US3439568* Griffith 4 /1969 US3553339 Dominguez 1 /1971 DRUM-LIKE MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS WITH ELECTRICAL PICKUPS AND CIRCUITRY US3655904 Cohen 4 /1972 ELECTRIC VARIABLE TONE PERCUSSION INSTRUMENT Claims: none ---cut here---------------------------------------------------------- Take care. -- Timon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Related Artists Date: 16 Dec 1998 12:20:59 +0000 > Others know more about that than I do. As I understand it, EM was formed > by Karl Bartos after he left KW. He took a lot of KW samples along with > him. samples? in effect EM sometime resemble K a lot, but I think he took sounds and timbres and not samples... not to contradict you but could you tell me where EM explicitly sampled K? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 13:37:40 +0000 > Hey, check it out! You can look at Kraftwerk's patent on IBM's US patent > server! > (There are pictures too! Search for yourself at > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com) yeees! found it! the image is just a scan of the paper of the patent, with some sketches: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/USD0244717__ go to the bottom of the page to see the second sheet. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 13:40:34 +0000 > Hey, check it out! You can look at Kraftwerk's patent on IBM's US patent and this is the link for the page: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=USD0244717__&language=en # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 16:55:48 +0300 Lbo wrote: > > Hey, check it out! You can look at Kraftwerk's patent on IBM's US patent > > server! > > (There are pictures too! Search for yourself at > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com) > > yeees! found it! > > the image is just a scan of the paper of the patent, with some sketches: > > http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/USD0244717__ > > go to the bottom of the page to see the second sheet. BTW, did you notice that Florian & Ralf's addresses are there... One less KW secret.. =) Anyway, it's cool. I wonder if there are any more KW inventions out there. Also, yesterday on Kraftwerk Media Center I found a rather good mpeg video (10 mb) with Pocket Calculator live New York'98. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 15:43:06 +0100 Also, yesterday on Kraftwerk Media Center I found a rather good mpeg video=20= (10 mb) with Pocket Calculator live New York'98=2E Are you shore its from -98? Which address, and where does it come from? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) FAQ Date: 16 Dec 1998 12:00:12 +0000 Hi everyone Due to the work and leisure madness of the near-Christmas period, I'm unsubscribing from the list from today. I'll be resubscribing in January. So if for any reason you have questions or comments about the Kraftwerk FAQ, please email me _direct_ (not via the list) and I'll get back to you next year! Happy Christmas! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Electric music Date: 16 Dec 1998 03:07:41 PST <> -And in case anyone is interested Lothar Manteuffel used to play in the excellent Neue Deutsche Welle group; RHEINGOLD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Gross Subject: (kw) Re: Patents Date: 16 Dec 1998 10:15:02 -0500 You can also find information about the Robovox at: http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?pn=3DEP00396141A2&language=3Den ____________ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com, cgross@harris-pub.com, golem14@hotmail.com) UTILITY GALLERY: oaktree.simplenet.com/utility/ Sandy Becker's Page: oaktree.simplenet.com/becker/becker.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 19:00:09 +0300 johan.andersson@allers.aller.se wrote: > Also, yesterday on Kraftwerk Media Center I found a rather good mpeg video (10 > mb) with Pocket Calculator live New York'98. > > Are you shore its from -98? > Which address, and where does it come from? Yes, I'm sure it is. Comes from Kraftwerk Media Center WWW, "Video/Audio Specials" or something like that. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hans-Peter.Fischer@dresdner-bank.com Subject: RE: (kw) Misc. Date: 16 Dec 1998 16:30:27 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lbo [SMTP:Lbo@iol.it] > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 13:05 > To: Fischer, Hans-Peter > Cc: 'kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: Re: (kw) Misc. >=20 > > >you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. >=20 > you cannot, you cannot... why not? be more elastic on this... it's a > matter of opinion... >=20 I quoted that from another mail, that=B4s NOT my opinion! Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Reupke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 17:38:05 +0100 At 16:55 16-12-98 +0300, Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: >Also, yesterday on Kraftwerk Media Center I found a rather good mpeg video (10 >mb) with Pocket Calculator live New York'98. It would be very nice with a copy of the whole concert :) /Christian -- Christian Reupke - Kling Klang christian@reupke.dk - ICQ UIN: 5014595 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Music Non Stop Sales" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Items For Sale Date: 16 Dec 1998 17:14:41 -0000 Music Non Stop Ltd 92, Henwick Road St. Johns Worcester WR2 5NY England Tel / Fax : (UK+44) 01905 429874 Email : sales@music-non-stop.co.uk Web : http://www.music-non-stop.co.uk Hi all We have an extensive list of Kraftwerk items for sale. If you are interested, then please contact us in one of the ways shown above, and we shall forward onto you our complete list. Likewise, if you have any wants then please let us know, as we are confident we can obtain them for you. Thanks to all who have contacted us so far. Luke MNS Sales # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: (kw) Re: Conny Plank Date: 16 Dec 1998 19:13:37 +0100 (MET) On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, "Christian Di Sante" wrote: > Conny Plank produced D=A4A=A4F's compilation "D=A4A=A4F" also. > I find it very good for all lovers of minimal industrial music. Well, strictly speaking, he produced the original albums, but had nothing to do with the release of the compilation, having been dead for a year or so when it was released...=20 Speaking of DAF, I'm sure many of you know this already, but the classic albums ("Die Kleinen und die B=F6sen", "Alles ist gut", "Gold und Liebe" an= d "F=FCr immer") were recently re-released on Mute Records, remastered and with new sleeve notes by Biba Kopf. Worth getting. Bewegt euch, - Anders Wahlbom | http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ (Finger for geek code) | http://www.cutoff.se/dss - NOW PLAYING: Kraftwerk: "Die Roboter (Kinderspiel-Mix)" (which is pretty horrible, if anyone wants my opinion) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Related Artists Date: 16 Dec 1998 11:30:04 -0700 (MST) On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Lbo wrote: > > Others know more about that than I do. As I understand it, EM was formed > > by Karl Bartos after he left KW. He took a lot of KW samples along with > > him. > > samples? in effect EM sometime resemble K a lot, but I think he took > sounds and timbres and not samples... not to contradict you but could > you tell me where EM explicitly sampled K? I don't know. It's a half-memory from something someone once said on the list. But I meant samples in the sense of whatever settings or data KW used to make their sounds in their pre-digital days - which would be sounds and timbres. I didn't mean that he actually digitaly sampled KW. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 16 Dec 1998 19:35:45 +0100 > > Others know more about that than I do. As I understand it, EM was formed > > by Karl Bartos after he left KW. He took a lot of KW samples along with > > him. > > samples? in effect EM sometime resemble K a lot, but I think he took > sounds and timbres and not samples... not to contradict you but could > you tell me where EM explicitly sampled K? I totally agree with you, Lbo Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: (kw) Afrikan Bambaata Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:35:26 +0100 Sure, I've got the record and I would suspect there will be some time to do this during the Xmas. I'll get back with an URL in a week or two. /Joakum -----Original Message----- >...The Afrika Bambaata/Soul Sonic Force 1982 Planet Rock song uses the NUMBER drum >beats with T.E.E. basic melody !!!!!!! Could someone make a MP3 of this song one day please? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 16 Dec 1998 13:38:46 +0100 This is a very good information !! Most of articles talking about KW are not so clear about what instruments were KW designed and I didn't know that were KW's patent. I have read that drum pad was designed by Karl Bartos. Can be this one? ...but Bartos don't apears in patent... What do you think about this? Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fpinto Subject: (kw) New Konzert dates for the US Date: 16 Dec 1998 16:07:16 -0700 Hi there, I have been off this list for a while. I need to know if there is any tour planned for 1999. Regards, Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Astrolude@aol.com Subject: (kw) have fun with kraft mp3 Date: 16 Dec 1998 20:31:19 EST goto my site and see how shitty it really is... http://welcome.to/sinphony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Cassolatto" Subject: (kw) Vacancy !! Date: 16 Dec 1998 11:02:42 PST deAR WERKERS I=B4m out for vacanc until january, 1st,1999. I hope be here again !! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, and much music !!! See you Later To the brazilians ( sorry in portuguese ) Caros amigos, eu mereco, to de ferias pro 15 dias, qquer coisa mande=20 e-mail para o endereco particular sintetik@hotmail.com , Feliz Natal e=20 Otimo Ano Novo para todos !!!!!!!1 Ricardo Cassolatto ************************************************** ** Merry Christmas - Happy, very happy New Year ** ** Peace and music for all people of the world ** ************************************************** The Sintetik Way Of Life - sintetik@hotmail.com =20 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:32:20 -0500 >> Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much >> their first album "Esperanto". >Are any of these two albums available on any format in the U.S. currently? I know Elektric Music "Esperanto" is available, so is Wolfgang Flur's "Time Pie". I really like the Esperanto album myself. >Are these albums that I can buy from Esprit in the U.K.? I haven't the foggiest notion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Misc. Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:26:40 -0500 >>you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. >Just think of some traditional arabian music, which is arhythmic. Immediately I think of additional examples such as KW's Vom Himmel Hoch or Atem...or Silver Apples latest release (March 1998) called Decatur. All are arhythymic , but I feel they're all music just the same. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Neotropic I-F Bradley Strider Bochum Welt Dynamix II Tangerine Dream Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:03:50 -0500 >The new album "Mr. Brubaker's Strawberry Alarm Clock" (NTone, 1998) by I wonder if this is any connection to the 60's "psycedelic" band "Strawberry Alarm Clock". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:32:20 -0500 >> Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much >> their first album "Esperanto". >Are any of these two albums available on any format in the U.S. currently? I know Elektric Music "Esperanto" is available, so is Wolfgang Flur's "Time Pie". I really like the Esperanto album myself. >Are these albums that I can buy from Esprit in the U.K.? I haven't the foggiest notion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Organisation (was: Re: (kw) KRAUTROCK) Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:25:25 +0100 (NFT) > and perhaps the other three people in the band were not on top of > things as R+F were. Judging by the composer credits for the "Tone Float" album, the main people in the band were Hauff, Monicks and Schneider, while it seems that Huetter acted just as a session musician. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:32:20 -0500 >> Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much >> their first album "Esperanto". >Are any of these two albums available on any format in the U.S. currently? I know Elektric Music "Esperanto" is available, so is Wolfgang Flur's "Time Pie". I really like the Esperanto album myself. >Are these albums that I can buy from Esprit in the U.K.? I haven't the foggiest notion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Underworld Ash Ra Temple Klaus Schulze Silver Apples Terre Thaemlitz SpaceNight Drum Komputer Sun Electric Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:32:54 +0100 In "Mmm... Skyscraper I Love You" 12" (Junior Boy's Own, 1994) by Underworld (Darren Emerson, Karl Hyde and Rick Smith (formerly Freur)) it can hear a robotic voice saying "yes" and "no". Manuel G=F6ttsching (former Die Dominas and Eruption), leader of Ash Ra Temple has released a CD titled "Live in Japan" recorded in the recent concerts in Osaka and Tokyo. Klaus Schulze (ex-Tangerine Dream and Eruption) has recorded along with Pete Namlook the 7th volume of "The Dark Side Of The Moog" (Fax SubLabel). In this CD has collaborated Bill Laswell. Recently has been also released a CD "Tribute To Silver Apples" that contains 11 cover versions by (among others) Third Eye Foundation, Windy and Carl, Sabine, Amp, Tranquil, Flowchart, Alphastone, Outrageous Cherry= , etc. The cover photo shows a concert of the Simeon's band. Their label catalogue says that their first album is a clear antecedent of bands like Suicide. Terre Thaemlitz ("Die Roboter Rubato" CD) has released throught Mille Plateaux an album "Institutional Collaborative" along with Jane Dowe, whi= ch is a "computer attended music proyect". Sampler CD "SpaceNight IV" (Fuel/Eastwest/Elektrolux and another labels selected by Aural Float) contains 41 tracks by, among others, Anthony Rother (cover versions of Kraftwerk), Le Car, Aux 88, I-F, Kraftwelt, Elektronation, A1 People, Aural Float, etc. SpaceNight is a TV show that runs late in the night and shows films recorded by Space Shuttles and Satellites, hence the name, Space at Night. By the way, Rother puts his vocoder on a song by Aural Float included in their 12" "New Frontiers" (Elektrolux). Aural Float are Pascal F.E.O.S. (acronymous of From Esence = Of Minimal Sound), Gabriel Le Mar and Alex Azary. Drum Komputer is an electro proyect by Taylor Deupree who has published = a LP entitled "Alphabet Flasher", which has, according to a music catalogue= , synthetic textures of digital electronic sound (almost Kraftwerkian). Deupree is also known as Seti, Arc, Prototype 909, Unit Park, Human Mesh Dance, Facil and he runs the label Index. Sun Electric (Tom Thiel y Max Loderbauer, ex-Fisherman's Friend), with t= he collaboration of Thomas Fehlman (The Orb, Palais Schaumburg), have releas= ed "TEE+" 12" (Apollo/R&S). Auto Repeat ("Revisited" 12" EP) and I-F are included on "The State Of E-Motion 6" 2CD (E-Motion/EFA). DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa and rap and hip-hop Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:32:51 +0100 SLDubster wrote: > I could of sworn that=20 > Africa Bambaataa said that he introduced KW to America. When he said > this, he didn't mean by doing "Planet Rock", but by telling club DJs >about TEE and "Autobaun". Is this true or did Americans know about KW wa= y before hand? FXCordero wrote: > Poppycock! Gay and black DJ's were spinning TEE in clubs back in '77. > Dance crowds even emulated robotic moves on the dancefloor. > Brian Chin writes: > ".....co-founder Ralf Hutter was already hearing his own music at New > York after-hours loft parties around 1976..." So many years before Afrika Bambaataa releases the "Planet Rock" 12", Electrifying Mojo played Kraftwerk from a radio station sited on the Michigan University. And Juan Atkins and Derrick May have already listen = to the Kraftwerk's music. And even Atkins had a band called Cybotron with Rick Davies (aka 3070), whom he met in the high school. Cybotron made electro about 1981, so many years before Afrika Bambaataa did. 47 lenny g wrote: > honestly, if it wasn't for > the sampling of KW by hip-hop, rap acts, i don't think there'd be so ma= ny > KW fans around, they would die out like dinosaurs and young people woul= d >not bother to research the past, especially of a band that conseales it > self from the public so much. I agree with you. "Trans-Europe Express" was massively imitated in the US during the birth = of the hip-hop era. When Arthur Baker and Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force sampled "Trans-Europe Express" for "Don't Stop ...Planet Rock", KRAFTWERK became = an integral element in the hip-hop explosion too. The percussive syncope of the track "The Man Machine" mark the way where moves the electro sound (hybrid of funk, hip-hop and eurotechno) headed by the American band. The hip-hop of New York owes great part of their idiosyncrasy to the mode= ls marked by these German forty years old. Adam Schefflan wrote: >you CANNOT have music without Rhythm. Why not? What you say me about Ambient music? It has no rhythm, almost never. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morten Moen" Subject: (kw) boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing Date: 17 Dec 1998 08:38:07 +0100 Take a look at this Swiss lyrics server. They've actually got the lyrics of 'Boing Boom Tschak' written down! Quite funny reading I think. :-) http://www.lyrics.ch/query/get?s=51772 Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: R: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 17 Dec 1998 02:24:11 -0500 (EST) >> DJ's remix and make new music, it takes incredible skill, talent, >> coordination, and dexterity to be able to manipulate records the way DJ's >> do. take a listen to Q-bert, Invisble Scratch Piklz. no drum machines, no >> synthesizers, just man (DJ), machine (turntable), and music (record). now >> how is that different from KW? >> >> lenny g > >Because KW uses drum machines and synthesizers, it's obvious ! ! ! > >They produces their OWN music, they don't create a collage of music by DIFFERENT artists ! >Isn't it? > >Didi look, i love Kraftwerk, but sound collage and sampling is a valid and recognized form of ART (recognized by legal statues in USA). that is all i am crediting it with. i don't own any rap or hip-hop albums, i don't listen to it on radio or TV, but i do not hate it just because i don't understand it, at least i am not ignorant. think of different music as different religions, jews don't agree with catholics, christians don't agree with muslims, etc. most of them just disagree, but don't really know what the other religion is talking about, same here. i can't understand what rappers say when they rap, but i try to understand, and if the song is intelligent i respect them, if the song is about sex, killing, money, or drugs than you are right, it is pointless, talantless, no meaning, no harmony, no melody. or if there is a melody, than it's stallen (sampled) from another band. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 17 Dec 1998 11:56:52 +0000 > BTW, did you notice that Florian & Ralf's addresses are there... well, they may be legal addresses, not the place where they actually live... and also these are addresses of +20 years ago... to be noted that Ralf's city was Krefeld and not Duesseldorf like for Florian (btw, where is Krefeld?) > Anyway, it's cool. I wonder if there are any more KW inventions out there. mmmh... more than the invention itself it seem that they just patented the *look* for that invention... I mean, everybody could "invent" another drumpad until it look different, say with one less or one more pad, or with pads placed differently... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 17 Dec 1998 11:56:52 +0000 > BTW, did you notice that Florian & Ralf's addresses are there... well, they may be legal addresses, not the place where they actually live... and also these are addresses of +20 years ago... to be noted that Ralf's city was Krefeld and not Duesseldorf like for Florian (btw, where is Krefeld?) > Anyway, it's cool. I wonder if there are any more KW inventions out there. mmmh... more than the invention itself it seem that they just patented the *look* for that invention... I mean, everybody could "invent" another drumpad until it look different, say with one less or one more pad, or with pads placed differently... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Emil Schult Date: 17 Dec 1998 19:14:03 +0100 Tried to send this earlier today, didn't work. Sorry if it comes twice. /FF >Hello! > >Some time ago there was questions about Emil Schult on the list. I found >these pages where you can see a short "bio" >http://www.surver.net/monk/bio_schult.html and also some pictures of his >recent art (clothes design apparently!) >http://www.surver.net/monk/art_schult.html. Musique Non Stop! > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Emil Schult Date: 17 Dec 1998 19:14:03 +0100 Tried to send this earlier today, didn't work. Sorry if it comes twice. /FF >Hello! > >Some time ago there was questions about Emil Schult on the list. I found >these pages where you can see a short "bio" >http://www.surver.net/monk/bio_schult.html and also some pictures of his >recent art (clothes design apparently!) >http://www.surver.net/monk/art_schult.html. Musique Non Stop! > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: R: RAP and KW. (Re: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real!) Date: 17 Dec 1998 02:24:11 -0500 (EST) >> DJ's remix and make new music, it takes incredible skill, talent, >> coordination, and dexterity to be able to manipulate records the way DJ's >> do. take a listen to Q-bert, Invisble Scratch Piklz. no drum machines, no >> synthesizers, just man (DJ), machine (turntable), and music (record). now >> how is that different from KW? >> >> lenny g > >Because KW uses drum machines and synthesizers, it's obvious ! ! ! > >They produces their OWN music, they don't create a collage of music by DIFFERENT artists ! >Isn't it? > >Didi look, i love Kraftwerk, but sound collage and sampling is a valid and recognized form of ART (recognized by legal statues in USA). that is all i am crediting it with. i don't own any rap or hip-hop albums, i don't listen to it on radio or TV, but i do not hate it just because i don't understand it, at least i am not ignorant. think of different music as different religions, jews don't agree with catholics, christians don't agree with muslims, etc. most of them just disagree, but don't really know what the other religion is talking about, same here. i can't understand what rappers say when they rap, but i try to understand, and if the song is intelligent i respect them, if the song is about sex, killing, money, or drugs than you are right, it is pointless, talantless, no meaning, no harmony, no melody. or if there is a melody, than it's stallen (sampled) from another band. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 17 Dec 1998 22:06:33 +0300 Lbo wrote: > > BTW, did you notice that Florian & Ralf's addresses are there... > > well, they may be legal addresses, not the place where they actually > live... and also these are addresses of +20 years ago... to be noted > that Ralf's city was Krefeld and not Duesseldorf like for Florian (btw, > where is Krefeld?) > Yeah, of course; but before that we knew *nothing* about it, yes? > > > Anyway, it's cool. I wonder if there are any more KW inventions out there. > > mmmh... more than the invention itself it seem that they just patented > the *look* for that invention... I mean, everybody could "invent" > another drumpad until it look different, say with one less or one more > pad, or with pads placed differently... Yeah, maybe invention is not the right word.. I didn't read the patent text, though from reading other patents I would expect that they patented the whole "look'n'feel", not "10 pads one after another". Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 17 Dec 1998 10:24:50 -0500 > >>>Rap is garbage, >Wow! My first post received from this particular list, and I have to read >something so idiotic. Personally, I think is sounds so juvenile to say "this kind of music is no good" or "that kind of music is no good". I think it would be a very boring world if everyone liked the same kind of music, to the point of shutting out all others. we're in this mailing list for the reason that we all like KW. Not all in the same way or to the same extent. Myself, I admire them, I truly enjoyed their concert this summer. I have copies of their major releases (plus the KW1, KW2 and R&F which I guess are technically boots). I haven't heard KW on the radio since about 1978 or so, and at that time I did not like them. I remember taking a trip with a friend in 1978, and he subjected me to Man Machine. I said at the time "Kraftwerk is garbage, who would waste their money on this crap?" >>and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their >>wallets to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way >>beyond me. If the music is not what you like, then don't buy it. There are a LOT of people who DO like it, and I feel I have no more right to tell someone not to listen to what they like than they would to tell me. I've got a friend that I've exchanged a variety of music with. I have set him up with some KW, and even made some suggestions - he does not like KW at all. Some of the things he really likes I don't like either. Big deal - people introduce me to new music, and I take a liking to about 10% of it. I was re-introduced to KW by a friend about 5 years ago. He brought in the Radioactivity jacket - he had lost the record, but heaped praise on how good it was. Yeah, right, I don't like KW. About a week later he brought in CW, and I was impressed. A couple of months later I was over at another friend's place, and she had The Mix on. Just from CW and what I remembered from the 70's, I recognised it as KW. I got the CD for myself, and liked it. I then set out to find the Holy Grail - Radioactivity. I found it, and that was it - I was hooked (especially Ohm Sweet Ohm). Now, what happened between the time that I didn't like them and the time I re-discovered them? For one thing, I discovered Devo. Would I like KW if Devo hadn't come along? I have no idea. >Well, I own about 400 rap albums, so I guess the answer would be: Very >easily. As of this writing I have about 870 albums, and I can't say that I would have 400 in any one style. If someone has 400 rap albums, I'd say they like it - doesn't make them any better or worse, they just like rap more than I do. I have 6 rap albums. >> X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth >> about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the >> iceberg. >I would like to add to your list Chuck D/Public Enemy. I think PE is one of >the most important groups (of any kind of music) of all time. Life is the biggest inspiration of any form of art . I would be hard pressed to imagine someone growing up in the concrete jungle, especially in the rough areas of our big cities, that feels they can communicate with their friends and compatriots by playing the violin, for example. The best artists don't simply play their music - they live it. Their environment forms them, then they form their music in reference to the envionment which in turn changes the environment. When was the last time you heard classical music in the ghetto? When was the last time you heard a truck driver playing techno? How about rap in a doctor's office? Kraftwerk is definitive music - in their place. "Krautrock" is more than just music - it is culture. Rap is the same way - sampling this or that - it adds character to the music - emphasis, timbre. But it serves a necessary place, not simply in music, but in culture as well. Music is not simply black or white (no pun intended), but uncertain shades of gray that get more uncertain with each passing day. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Videoclip:"Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta Date: 17 Dec 1998 20:58:11 +0100 Hi, has anybody watched the videoclip "Sixmilliondollarman" by Ghettoblasta ? For some seconds the album-sleeve of "Electric Cafe" can be seen. Does anybody know, if there is any relation between Ghettoblasta and KRAFTWERK ? regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark reed Subject: (kw) Music Date: 17 Dec 1998 06:53:25 +0000 There seems to be a lot of debate regarding the validity of various music forms. There are two types of music: not Country and Western either. Good music and Bad music. If music is made as a method of artistic expression, with some originality (either in approach, content, style or some other form) without blatant profit compromising your art or being the main motive for making the music then it is good and pure. If it is made purely or with the main motive of being successful - therefore compromising content - then it is corrupt and therefore bad. very general I know, but the profit motive when making art is a corruption of the human spirit. -- mark reed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: R: (kw) Related Artists Date: 17 Dec 1998 01:32:20 -0500 >> Elektrik Music is a group by K.Bartos and L.Manteuffell, I liked very much >> their first album "Esperanto". >Are any of these two albums available on any format in the U.S. currently? I know Elektric Music "Esperanto" is available, so is Wolfgang Flur's "Time Pie". I really like the Esperanto album myself. >Are these albums that I can buy from Esprit in the U.K.? I haven't the foggiest notion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger interview Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:26:16 +0100 (NFT) The official Klaus Dinger WWW pages were updated with the English translation of an interview which appeared in the Swedish magazine Pop, October 1998. The interview includes some paragraphs on Klaus Dinger's Kraftwerk period. The URL is: http://corona.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/pop_int.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:27:06 +0100 (NFT) > I have read that drum pad was designed by Karl Bartos. It was Wolfgang Fluer. > Can be this one? ...but Bartos don't apears in patent... > What do you think about this? Yes, Fluer has mentioned in a number of interviews that he was too naive to get his invention patented. It might be interesting to hear his comments regarding Huetter's & Schneider's patent. ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 17 Dec 1998 23:52:37 +0300 William Dobiesz wrote: > > Music is not simply black or white (no pun intended), but uncertain shades > of gray that get more uncertain with each passing day. Hmm... I wouldn't call music either black, white or shades of gray.. It has all the gamma of colors.. But in other things I fully agree with what you wrote in your letter. Yeah, and one can only guess how I want to go to KW's concert....... *sigh* Does anyone have good copies of good KW live videos on WWW/FTP? Most I downloaded so far (well... except New York Live'98) were either too low quality, or were recorded by a too amateurish cameraman, or had both flaws. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) A Henning Schmitz sideline product? Date: 17 Dec 1998 15:24:19 +0100 (NFT) It seems that Henning Schmitz wrote the music for a German children's radio play: http://www.hr-online.de/hf/hr2/wort/hs982/dom2410.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4llman?= Subject: (kw) Emil Schult Date: 17 Dec 1998 09:31:17 +0100 Hello! Some time ago there was questions about Emil Schult on the list. I found these pages where you can see a short "bio" http://www.surver.net/monk/bio_schult.html and also some pictures of his recent art (clothes design apparently!) http://www.surver.net/monk/art_schult.html. Musique Non Stop! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 18 Dec 1998 00:58:51 +0100 Vladimir Ivaschenko wrote: > ... to be noted > > that Ralf's city was Krefeld and not Duesseldorf like for Florian (bt= w, > > where is Krefeld?) > > > Krefeld isn't too far away from D=FCsseldorf on the other side of the Rhi= ne, you can go there from D=FCsseldorf by tram. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lou Jean" Subject: (kw) Any Questions... Date: 18 Dec 1998 01:29:51 -0500 Hi, First, Other day, I=B4ve asked if anyone could be transcribe What the boy= s is saying in the D=FCsseldorf 91 Computerworld crash, but I haven't recived any abo= ut this. Could you help me? Second, I would like too, get transcriptions of two Florian's Vocoder Poe= ms from Doeppfer. and Third, I'm looking for track listing of Paris 81 and Utrecht 81 concerts, any info? Thank you very much in advance! Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe in German Date: 17 Dec 1998 17:23:02 +0100 (CET) Hi, What are the differences between the German and the English EC LP? Is Der Telefon Anruf the only track sang in German? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing Date: 17 Dec 1998 17:37:08 -0000 aha, at last some sanity amidst all this nonsense about rap music which truly is without any saving grace whatsoever.but didn't you miss a peng? chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik J. Eid" Subject: RE: (kw) boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing Date: 17 Dec 1998 20:27:55 >Take a look at this Swiss lyrics server. They've actually got the lyrics of >'Boing Boom Tschak' written down! Quite funny reading I think. :-) > >http://www.lyrics.ch/query/get?s=51772 Actually, 51772 is for "Pocket Calculator." 51773 is the number for "Boing Boom Tschak." It is quite amusing, though... it would make for really sick desktop wallpaper, or considering the season, wrapping paper. . . \_ +\_ + o_-/ . O . \-_o -=/- . . . . \=// . ---------\_______ ||O ___.______ /* Erik Eid */ \____||L/\_____/ /* eeid@wwnet.net */_______________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's PATENT! Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:25:00 +0000 > I have read that drum pad was designed by Karl Bartos. Can be this one? well, actually it seem it was designed by Fluer, or so he says in an interview appeared in Future Music we talked about some months ago. > ...but Bartos don't apears in patent... > What do you think about this? well, it's a patent for a look, not for a device... they did not patented the device, so everybody could made an electronic drumpad until its pads are not placed in a row of six and two of four and has not a switch on the left... or so it seem to me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: Re: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa and rap and hip-hop Date: 17 Dec 1998 19:38:41 -0700 >When Arthur Baker and Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force sampled >"Trans-Europe Express" for "Don't Stop ...Planet Rock", KRAFTWERK became an >integral element in the hip-hop explosion BINGO! DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX.kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Hip-hop music--recognize the real! (off topic) Date: 17 Dec 1998 10:24:50 -0500 > >>>Rap is garbage, >Wow! My first post received from this particular list, and I have to read >something so idiotic. Personally, I think is sounds so juvenile to say "this kind of music is no good" or "that kind of music is no good". I think it would be a very boring world if everyone liked the same kind of music, to the point of shutting out all others. we're in this mailing list for the reason that we all like KW. Not all in the same way or to the same extent. Myself, I admire them, I truly enjoyed their concert this summer. I have copies of their major releases (plus the KW1, KW2 and R&F which I guess are technically boots). I haven't heard KW on the radio since about 1978 or so, and at that time I did not like them. I remember taking a trip with a friend in 1978, and he subjected me to Man Machine. I said at the time "Kraftwerk is garbage, who would waste their money on this crap?" >>and how anyone could actually go into a store and open their >>wallets to hand the cashier money for that garbage is (thank God) way >>beyond me. If the music is not what you like, then don't buy it. There are a LOT of people who DO like it, and I feel I have no more right to tell someone not to listen to what they like than they would to tell me. I've got a friend that I've exchanged a variety of music with. I have set him up with some KW, and even made some suggestions - he does not like KW at all. Some of the things he really likes I don't like either. Big deal - people introduce me to new music, and I take a liking to about 10% of it. I was re-introduced to KW by a friend about 5 years ago. He brought in the Radioactivity jacket - he had lost the record, but heaped praise on how good it was. Yeah, right, I don't like KW. About a week later he brought in CW, and I was impressed. A couple of months later I was over at another friend's place, and she had The Mix on. Just from CW and what I remembered from the 70's, I recognised it as KW. I got the CD for myself, and liked it. I then set out to find the Holy Grail - Radioactivity. I found it, and that was it - I was hooked (especially Ohm Sweet Ohm). Now, what happened between the time that I didn't like them and the time I re-discovered them? For one thing, I discovered Devo. Would I like KW if Devo hadn't come along? I have no idea. >Well, I own about 400 rap albums, so I guess the answer would be: Very >easily. As of this writing I have about 870 albums, and I can't say that I would have 400 in any one style. If someone has 400 rap albums, I'd say they like it - doesn't make them any better or worse, they just like rap more than I do. I have 6 rap albums. >> X-Clan, just to name a few. Real lyricists teach and speak the truth >> about the ills in our (USAn) society, but that's just the tip of the >> iceberg. >I would like to add to your list Chuck D/Public Enemy. I think PE is one of >the most important groups (of any kind of music) of all time. Life is the biggest inspiration of any form of art . I would be hard pressed to imagine someone growing up in the concrete jungle, especially in the rough areas of our big cities, that feels they can communicate with their friends and compatriots by playing the violin, for example. The best artists don't simply play their music - they live it. Their environment forms them, then they form their music in reference to the envionment which in turn changes the environment. When was the last time you heard classical music in the ghetto? When was the last time you heard a truck driver playing techno? How about rap in a doctor's office? Kraftwerk is definitive music - in their place. "Krautrock" is more than just music - it is culture. Rap is the same way - sampling this or that - it adds character to the music - emphasis, timbre. But it serves a necessary place, not simply in music, but in culture as well. Music is not simply black or white (no pun intended), but uncertain shades of gray that get more uncertain with each passing day. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) New MP3's at http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald/audio/mp3.htm Date: 18 Dec 1998 06:38:19 +0100 (CET) Hi, This week... It's more fun to compute / Heimcomputer (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) Computerliebe (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) Das Modell (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) Tour de France (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) Autobahn (Live Dusseldorf 10/31/91) I will let these MP3 files about 10-12 days instead of one week since they are bigger. Happy Christmas to all, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric.Schader@gambro.com Subject: RE: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa and rap and hip-hop Date: 18 Dec 1998 08:10:00 +0100 > 47 lenny g wrote: > > honestly, if it wasn't for > > the sampling of KW by hip-hop, rap acts, i don't think there'd be so > many > > KW fans around, they would die out like dinosaurs and young people would > >not bother to research the past, especially of a band that conseales it > > self from the public so much. > In my opinion I would say that this statement maybe goes for US but not Europe. Myself I didn't start to listen to KW due to a KW sample, but when a friend of mine played Man- Machine to me back in -79, and it's a similar story with all my friends who listen to them as well. At that time I wasn't even that impressed by it and it wasn't until Computer World that I really started listening to them. I know that just my friends is not a big case of evidence, but I can't remember anyone that I have met someone stating something like this or read about it either. But as I said, it's just my opinion. Nowadays I would say that I never hear KW samples in any new music. That would make your statment contradicting itself. The young people would then have to resarch the past to find those samples so they could research the past to find KW. So if they never botherd to research the past, they wouldn't even find those samples. Right ? ;-) Kindest regards Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: RE: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa and rap and hip-hop Date: 18 Dec 1998 03:43:42 -0500 (EST) >> 47 lenny g wrote: >> > honestly, if it wasn't for >> > the sampling of KW by hip-hop, rap acts, i don't think there'd be so >> many >> > KW fans around, they would die out like dinosaurs and young people would >> >not bother to research the past, especially of a band that conseales it >> > self from the public so much. Eric.Schader@gambro.com wrote: >In my opinion I would say that this statement maybe goes for US but not >Europe. you are probably right, i lived in Europe (Russia, Austria, Italy) ten years ago, and from what i remember influences and culture are very different there than in US. i think US destroys lot's of art by mass producing it. Myself I didn't start to listen to KW due to a KW sample, but when a >friend of mine played Man- Machine to me back in -79, and it's a similar >story with all my friends who listen to them as well. At that time I wasn't >even that impressed by it and it wasn't until Computer World that I really >started listening to them. CW was the first album i heard too, i borrowed it from my music teacher's son who had some techno/electronic tapes (242, pet shop boys, and computer world by by KW). before KW i used to listen to Genesis and Phil Collins. also, i only heard of KW when i came to US, i didn't know about them when i was in Europe, i listened to Russian electronic bands (Mirage) I know that just my friends is not a big case of >evidence, but I can't remember anyone that I have met someone stating >something like this or read about it either. But as I said, it's just my >opinion. i don't think that it's an absolute statement, so there is lots of room for exceptions. >Nowadays I would say that I never hear KW samples in any new music. That >would make your statment contradicting itself. The young people would then >have to resarch the past to find those samples so they could research the >past to find KW. So if they never botherd to research the past, they >wouldn't even find those samples. well, it depends who "you" are calling the young people, and if the person in question is a real fan or just one who is indifferent to KW's music. now i think that i am a true fan, i would bet that everyone on this list is a true KW fan (why else would we put up with each other if we wern't KW fans for life). but there are people, and they are easely spotted at KW concerts (they do not show up six hours before the show and be first in line, and once inside they do not stare aimlessly at the black vinyl curtain trying to make out silouhette's behind it) to whome the significance of KW is not as grandiose as perhaps to us (real KW fans). to them KW is just another techno band or old german guys with stage set stolen from a sci-fi movie. some even laugh at KW. at the same time we worship KW as gods of electronic music, a title which they deserve justly. and speaking from a very personal point of view, i am 21 years old, not very old, but there are people yonger than me who might or will never know who was responsible for the state of music today and tommorow because the corporate influence in culture is weeding out freedom of "uncorrupted" expression (as in totaly produced for the sake of art and not for money) in today's music, films, television, books, magazines, multimedia, painting, as well as other commonly recognized and experimental forms of art. so sampling is only a small part of others recycling KW to make nothing new, awile ago there was a post on the list that a fashion designer had a line of menswear that looked strikingly just like the boy's red shirts, gray pants, and thin black ties as illustrated on the cover of Man-Machine album. i saw the fashion show on VH-1 later on, and i first thought "wow, that's kind of cool that someone remembers KW and uses that infuence in their work" but then i realized that there was nothing original about this fashion person's work and his/her blatent rip-off of KW was no longer very appealing. so i think that every instance of someone else tipping a hat in KW's corner has different validity and should not be judged by the same standards. i listened to Kraftwelt albums and i thought that they are just trying to copy KW, but then i noticed that each album contained a dedication to Ralf and Florian, so i looked up Kraftwelt on the web and read somewhere (i can't remember the site) that they do music to pay homage to KW. now whether they are succeding or not is a very individual decision all of us have to make for ourselves, but we can not just say sampling of KW is bad, covering of KW is bad, sounding like KW is bad, looking like KW is bad. i think we all have to apply our own individual, different standards to each separate instance of KW relatedness, and stand by our opinion, but not force it onto others. opinions can't be right or wrong. fact's are only facts when they are right. by the way, a friend of mine and i are planning to record some rather unconventional KW covers some time soon, we are in the process of gathering the required gear (instruments, effects processors, etc). going to Detroit friday 12/18 to meet Bill Dobiesz and look for some very strange instruments (i just bought a record which contains recordings of the no longer existing ondes martenot). i promice not to use any KW samples. my goal is to sound like Terre Thaemlitz doing KW to the Nth degree. laters all and happy holidays lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Halldin" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe in German Date: 18 Dec 1998 02:42:22 PST The german version of Electric Cafe features german lyrics on Techno Pop, Der Telefon Anruf and Sex Objekt. The other songs are the same. Just for your information, Sex Objekt in german is wild :-) Merry Christmas. /Martin My homepage (in swedish); http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8382 My KW-pics from Roskilde; http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-71404/kwconcert1.html >Hi, > >What are the differences between the German and the English EC LP? > >Is Der Telefon Anruf the only track sang in German? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Music Date: 20 Dec 1998 12:08:22 -0500 I KNOW I'm going to get flak for this...but it seems that everyone else is getting nasty about it, so I'm going to add fuel to the fire and put in my two cents (or centavos, or pence, or lira, or rubles, or yen, or whatever you have in your country). This will probably make new enemies for me...oh well. >If music is made as a method of artistic expression, with some >originality (either in approach, content, style or some other form) >without blatant profit compromising your art or being the main motive >for making the music then it is good and pure. I would say that there is very little music that fails to meet that criteria. In the words of Duke Ellington, "If it sounds good, then it IS good." >If it is made purely or with the main motive of being successful - >therefore compromising content - then it is corrupt and therefore bad. No matter what kind of music you make, SOMEONE wants to hear it. The people may be few and far between, but music is so varied. Every human is an indivual, and has their own ideas of what sounds good, and for that matter, what looks good, what tastes good, etc...get a number of people into a group, and nobody will 100% agree on what is good / what is bad. I am reminded of this especially when listening to KW...there is a particular "feel" to their music. Listen to Karl or Wolfgang's solo projects. You know what I feel? Like they were both KW "inspired" (in the best possible way, as they were in the same group). But if you look at how KW has changed, then listen to Esperanto or Time Pie, you can see that both have taken different angles. Not necessairily good or bad but different. And has also been shown, members of this list like KW for many different reasons, and what other music they would like varies as well. I'm not a big fan of hip-hop or country/western, but I love polkas, 50's-60's R&B, and 60's-70's bubble gum. >very general I know, but the profit motive when making art is a >corruption of the human spirit. Then I would have to say that KW is corrupt in that manner. How else would you explain a global concert tour that is essentially the same as the last two tours (based on commentary in this group). Is it truly art for a group that has not come out with a new album in many years, whose last album was a remix of their previous music, then tours with the same old concert? That sounds like it was strictly for profit. Further, without the profit motive, could they afford the equipment? I'm sure that KlingKlang wasn't donated to them free of charge. Three friends and myself would love to try to make music like KW - but without the money, that sort of equipment is out of my price range. If it was not done for profit, they would be unknown except in Dusseldorf. Thankfully they were driven by profit, otherwise they couldn't afford to play concerts all around the world. But - I don't mind that it was for profit. They put on a great show, and it was VERY worthwhile. But why? I have to believe that the expense of the tour traveling was pretty steep, and they would have to make a good profit to make it worth their time and effort. That's what I think... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Xmas 1998 Date: 21 Dec 1998 00:24:47 +0100 Merry Xmas to everybody, Ralf und Florian also! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling of Kraftwerk Date: 15 Dec 1998 04:11:01 +0100 >the Spice Girls did not make pop music, pop music made them. well, I couldn't have said it better - not that I pretend to be a genius anyway... >>"brilliant" forefathers did everything for the love of music, huh? >>sheesh, get real man... well, why not... let's say they did it for the love of a decent life paid by their music. coming back to K, they could push the money making machine a lot more than they do now, but their taste is to take it easy, so to say. ok, their label is emi and not an independent, but they are not puppets, there is still spontaneity in what they do and I don't think their label filter them. on the other hand I see in Italy many so called underground or antagonist or how they pretend to be named act that basically are politically opinionated kids who eat and sleep with the money from their parents . and for band like Pan Sonic or Suicide... well, I think they know too well that they will never make a lot of money with their music. not that they wouldn't, but then the rule of the game would change and their life maybe will not be so pleasant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: FW: (kw) Music Date: 21 Dec 1998 03:03:35 +0100 >No matter what kind of music you make, SOMEONE wants to hear it. The yes, it depend how many times... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Becker Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 2CD Comp on Capitol Date: 20 Dec 1998 17:10:35 -0800 I just saw a 2CD Kraftwerk compilation on Capitol Records called something like Ouvreswerks. I didn't buy it because it was $47. It comes in a slim case and has no artwork. The inserts are dark blue. I am wondering if this is really official even though it says Capitol records. The reason I wonder is because this contains several early Kraftwerk compositions such as Kling Klang. Could this mean Kraftwerk might be ready to release their early albums? Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dfee@juno.com (David P Fee) Subject: (kw) KW at depeche mode concert Date: 21 Dec 1998 01:21:13 -0800 Hi all, This is probably not of much interest to everyone, but tonight at the depeche mode concert in Anaheim, CA USA the DJ between acts played KW. It was Airwaves, I believe. During the concert, images were flashed on large screens... one set was of Andrew Fletcher dressed in red and black with slicked-back hair, ala. Man Machine. I found it interesting. Happy holidays, David Fee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) To Breakdancers: Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:39:03 EST To all of you who used to breakdance to "Tour De France", do you know where I can get a copy of "Apache", and who performs it? Thanks. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) current events Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:50:19 EST There are three songs I am into or enjoy more than ever right now by Kraftwerk: 1. "Sex Object" - I don't know what it is, but this song seems powerful. It must be the voice. I would love to hear the German version. In my area, the stores only carry the German versions of CW and TMM. 2. "The Man-Machine" - I can't stop singing this song's chorus in an opera style. Don't ask why because I couldn't answer you. 3. "Kometenmelodie 2" - Autobaun is an album that I almost never listen to. I recently pulled out the CD and was listening and noticed this song. It seems to have that "happy" feeling to it. Agree? BTW: I mentioned some of the things available in my area's stores. Two things that are also available pretty regularly are KW1 and KW2. These are on CD and go for about $15 each. They sound wonderful (the quality, that is). These are not bootlegs taken from a vinyl record. Does anybody know about these releases? I saw no mention of them on the KW: FAQ list. Also, whenever I listen to one of my favorite KW songs, "The Telephone Call", I hear and think drama. This is also something I can't explain. Do you understand? ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW-singers Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:54:16 EST What is the opinion of the singing voices of KW on this list? Also, it seems like THE MAN-MACHINE has the most singing on it, but I could be overlooking another album. Remember, I am new to the list and a fairly new Kraftwerk fan, so please don't think I'm stupid for asking this following question: who is the voice behind TDF and "Sex Object"? I love the voice. At the show I went to in San Francisco, only one guy sang, and it was not this voice. Is this guy one that left the group? ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Holton Subject: (kw) kraftwerk-digest V2 #249 -Reply Date: 21 Dec 1998 08:31:51 +0000 The KW patent is a design patent therefore they are patenting the layout design look feel shape colour texture etc. If it were a patent ,their idea would have to be A)Novel B)Inventive and c)Industrially applicable. Florian has got another patent for something a bit more meaty. I had a copy of it someplace but as I don't work for the Patent Publishers anymore it would be difficult (but not impossible to get my hands on a copy) I think I sent a copy to Klaus a couple of years back Regards Dave H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@home.com (Buttercup) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk 2CD Comp on Capitol Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:32:34 -0700 So it begins... Or, at least I hope so. Bill Talley > I just saw a 2CD Kraftwerk compilation on Capitol Records called something > like Ouvreswerks. I didn't buy it because it was $47. It comes in a slim > case and has no artwork. The inserts are dark blue. I am wondering if > this is really official even though it says Capitol records. The reason I > wonder is because this contains several early Kraftwerk compositions such > as Kling Klang. Could this mean Kraftwerk might be ready to release their > early albums? > > Fred # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Luca Dassi" Subject: (kw) Ho ho ho Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:02:04 +0100 I can't believe it! VH1 is using some "Telephone Call" footage as an interlude in their Xmas special! So far I've spotted two stills: a gloved hand activating an old style tape reel recorder and a gloomy Florian sporting '50s headphones.... Ciao, *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) The Big Lebowsky Date: 21 Dec 1998 15:29:20 +0100 > > > > Have somebody seen the film The Big Lebowsky ? > > > > It is full of ideas taken from Kraftwerk. > > > > > > The original soundtrack features "Technopop". The record label is > Mercury /Polygram. > >=20 > > Yes, but apparently it is not the original Kraftwerk track, it's by > > Carter Burwell. Is this a cover version of the Kraftwerk original, or > > is it a completely different composition? >=20 > Unfortunately I don't know the answer, but yesterday I saw the CD and i= t > doesn't contain the song, therefore it have to be only in the film > soundtrack. Does anyone listen the song? At last I saw the film and the score doesn't contain this song. BTW, the inspired joke about KW is brilliant! "The band Autobahn released an album ("Nagelbett") at the end of the 70s, their music is something as well as techno-pop." And the cover sleeve of the album features the three kidnapper guys dressed in black and red a la "The Man Machine". BTW, what's the meaning of Nagelbett? When the three kidnapper guys fight with Jeff Lebowsky (Bridges), John Goodman and Steve Buscemi, they take a radiocassette which it plays an electronic song that is possibly to be "Technopop" by Carter Burwell. Any idea about this? On an almost unrelated note: In a shopping mall near my house it has been installed a mobile sculpture which includes a robot more sophisticated th= an the Kraftwerk's ones. DER AUTOMAT =AE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 21 Dec 1998 09:18:50 -0600 (CST) Windows NT Server 4.0 comes with an optional Pinball game. You can turn on some background music, which sounds very Kraftwerkian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) The Chain: Date: 21 Dec 1998 11:11:12 EST Look, I know a lot of people are tired of this subject, but I also know t= hat some feel it is interesting, and of course, I am talking about the KW-rap connection. This is how I see the chain: Point A---> Point B ----> Point C ----> Point D Point "A" would be the beginning with KW. Point "B" represents electric = funk or breakdance music--whatever you want to call it. From Point "B", we we= nt to Point "C" which is rap. And finally, Point "D" would be current techno b= ands, especially Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers and artists you would find o= n those URBAN BEATS compilation albums (or are they called URBAL BEATS?). = I still find it hard to believe that one can be a fan of one of the above o= r two or three, but not all four. With me, the chain went like this: I first = got into the elctric funk/breakdance stuff which turned into rap, something t= hat I am heavily into now. I then got into KW and most recently the URBAN BEATS/techno stuff. I think Prodigy is an excellent group with those big= -time or phat with a "ph" rap beats and samples. Anyway, I just wanted to share the above. Sorry to those who are mad or = found that boring. Can I be kicked off the list for this? No offense, but thi= s list seems a little more strict than the other non-KW list I belong to. =20 =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF\ /=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF= =AF=AF \/ | |3 E =A7 C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fpinto Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 21 Dec 1998 13:51:36 -0700 >Windows NT Server 4.0 comes with an optional Pinball game. >You can turn on some background music, which sounds very >Kraftwerkian. Come on, it is pinball music :).The arpeggio has the same tempo of Computer love though... Does anybody knows of KW concerts next year? Did they cancel them? Fpinto BYU CSR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The Chain: Date: 21 Dec 1998 15:06:04 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 SLDubster@aol.com wrote: > Point A---> Point B ----> Point C ----> Point D > > Point "A" would be the beginning with KW. Point "B" represents electric funk > or breakdance music--whatever you want to call it. From Point "B", we went to > Point "C" which is rap. And finally, Point "D" would be current techno bands, > especially Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers and artists you would find on > those URBAN BEATS compilation albums (or are they called URBAL BEATS?). I Personally I find it very hard to believe that rap has had much of an influence on techno. I thought the children of rap were hiphop and house. Can you give examples of links between rap and techno? Myself, I can't hear and crossover. > still find it hard to believe that one can be a fan of one of the above or two > or three, but not all four. Well, they ARE different styles of music. Tastes differ. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 21 Dec 1998 19:58:03 -0500 At 09:18 AM 12/21/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Windows NT Server 4.0 comes with an optional Pinball game. >You can turn on some background music, which sounds very >Kraftwerkian. > Also- Anyone ever notice that "The Microsoft Sound" (usually the 6 second default opening sound in Windows) was created by Brian Eno?? I did not know this. Not directly related to KW, but i thought it was odd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 22 Dec 1998 02:07:54 +0100 > Does anybody knows of KW concerts next year? Did they cancel them? > > Fpinto > BYU CSR DID THEY PROGRAMMED ANY ? WHERE ? Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-singers Date: 22 Dec 1998 01:00:57 +0000 >What is the opinion of the singing voices of KW on this list? Also, >it seems like THE MAN-MACHINE has the most singing on it, but I >could be overlooking another album. Remember, I am new to the list >and a fairly new Kraftwerk fan, so please don't think I'm stupid for >asking this following question: who is the voice behind TDF and >"Sex Object"? I love the voice. At the show I went to in San >Francisco, only one guy sang, and it was not this voice. Is this >guy one that left the group? What I *THINK* about it is: the other "voice" in TDF and "Sex Object" is Florian Schneider. Anybody know if I'm wrong? Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrik.Mattsson@emw.ericsson.se (Patrik Mattsson) Subject: (kw) KW-singer Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:06:46 +0100 >>What is the opinion of the singing voices of KW on this list? Also, >>it seems like THE MAN-MACHINE has the most singing on it, but I >>could be overlooking another album. Remember, I am new to the list >>and a fairly new Kraftwerk fan, so please don't think I'm stupid for >>asking this following question: who is the voice behind TDF and >>"Sex Object"? I love the voice. At the show I went to in San >>Francisco, only one guy sang, and it was not this voice. Is this >>guy one that left the group? >What I *THINK* about it is: the other "voice" in TDF and "Sex Object" >is Florian Schneider. >Anybody know if I'm wrong? I'm quite sure that Karl Bartos sings "Sex Object". Regarding TDF it's our hero Ralf that sings. =) Patrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damir Hlobik Subject: (kw) HEEEELP!!!!!!!! Date: 22 Dec 1998 10:52:02 +0100 Dear friends, can anyone help me with information where is possible to buy this booltegs: computers in lovem numbers (tokyo) and traqffic jam on autobahn.thank you all. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) The Chain: Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:01:55 EST In a message dated 98-12-21 17:15:36 EST, you write: > Can you give examples of links between rap and techno? Myself, I can't > hear and crossover. Yes, a lot of stuff by Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers contain the same drum beats as those found on many rap songs, and also sampling is an aspect found in both. If one listens to Urbal Beats compilations as well, you will notice the same thing--rap beats and sampling. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) The Chain: Date: 22 Dec 1998 14:44:16 +0100 SLDubster wrote: > In a message dated 98-12-21 17:15:36 EST, you write: >=20 > > Can you give examples of links between rap and techno? Myself, I = can't > > hear and crossover. >=20 > Yes, a lot of stuff by Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers contain the = same > drum > beats as those found on many rap songs, and also sampling is an = aspect > found > in both. If one listens to Urbal Beats compilations as well, you = will > notice > the same thing--rap beats and sampling. >=20 > =20 There are things both styles have in common, no doubt, but I still = think HipHop/Rap and Techno developed independent of each other. Surely there = are a lot of cross connections and mutual influences, but you can also draw = a direct line from Kraftwerk to today=B4s techno. SynthiePop developed = directly from Kraftwerk (like OMD, Depeche Mode, Fad Gadget), EBM was played = (DAF, Front242, Nitzer Ebb), and from that Techno was formed (early Techno = Bands like LCD, MoskwaTV, Dance2Trance). Actually the term "Techno" is a creation from my hometown, Frankfurt/Germany. Here in the club at the airport, "Dorian Gray", they started to play electronic music in 1986 (DJ Talla 2XLC), and they = called it "Techno Club", and that sticked to that music. We had a style called "Frankfurt Beat", which origined from bands who played EBM before but = turned "Techno" in the current sense, like "Out of the Ordinary", "Scope" and = so on. Responsible for that were mainly Sven V=E4th and Torsten Fenslau. This is the german side of the development, but my point is that = neither HipHop developed from Techno, nor vice versa. Both my share some of = their roots, but they don=B4t depend on each other in any way. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfhardt.Wess@t-online.de Subject: (kw) Happy Consecration-night ! Date: 22 Dec 1998 14:51:57 +0100 Hello, Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of you ! Froehliche Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr Euch allen ! Regards Gubbolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) buy autobahn Date: 22 Dec 1998 05:15:26 -0500 (EST) hello, i need to buy original autobahn on cd. can anyone recommend a place on-line or a real store which sells it for a low price. i live in ohio usa for area recommendations. thank you all in advance, lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-singer Date: 22 Dec 1998 11:50:35 -0200 > >>What is the opinion of the singing voices of KW on this list? Also, > >>it seems like THE MAN-MACHINE has the most singing on it, but I > >>could be overlooking another album. Remember, I am new to the list > >>and a fairly new Kraftwerk fan, so please don't think I'm stupid for > >>asking this following question: who is the voice behind TDF and > >>"Sex Object"? I love the voice. At the show I went to in San > >>Francisco, only one guy sang, and it was not this voice. Is this > >>guy one that left the group? > > >What I *THINK* about it is: the other "voice" in TDF and "Sex Object" > >is Florian Schneider. > > >Anybody know if I'm wrong? > > I'm quite sure that Karl Bartos sings "Sex Object". I really don't think so... he sing "The Telephone Call" and the voice on "Sex Object" is different! In the german version of the two songs, you can hear better the difference... > Regarding TDF it's our hero Ralf that sings. Yes, is Ralf who sing. But who do the backvocals? Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) (Sorry, off-topic) : ELECTRO MUSIC at <> (who can Date: 22 Dec 1998 18:11:13 +0100 This is some kind of <>, and it's off-topic. Plea= se, forgive me, it's the first time and it will be the last, too !!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE !!!! Now: Saluto i fans della musica elettronica e deiKW in particolare !!! La (sconosciuta) band electro KAISERSOZE di cui faccio (modestamente) part= e, attiva a ROMA con la propria produzione di demo/tapes ed esibizioni liv= e (durante le quali vengono proposte sia brani originali che covers) si esibir=E0 il 25 Gennaio 1999 (ore 21.30 ca.) al locale <> di R= oma nel corso della manifestazione/gara <>, cercando di far= valere il tipo di musica che pi=F9 amiamo anche se circondati dalla sol= ita torma(con rispetto parlando !) di metallari e rockers in genere. La no= stra musica ? beh, non sta a me parlarne ... se tutto ci=F2 vi incuriosisce = e se vi sta a cuore la causa della musica elettronica, perch=E9 non venite a= d ascoltarci ed a votare per noi (sempre che vi risultiamo graditi, dopo l'ascolto!!!) ???? Abbiamo a disposizione un'ottantina di biglietti a prezzo ridotto ... per informazioni, iniviate messaggi a:MDISANTE@sogei= .it: GRAZIE DELLA PAZIENZA E SCUSATEMI DAVVERO SE HO SFRUTTATO QUESTA LISTA = DI CUI FACCIO PARTE DA MOLTI MESI. SPERO COMUNQUE DI VEDERE PRESTO MOLTI = DI VOI, ANCHE PER PARLARE DEI NOSTRI BENIAMINI. DI NUOVO AUGURI !!!!! Marcello (tel. 06/66140076 - 5080272) = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: Re: (kw) (Sorry, off-topic) : ELECTRO MUSIC at <> (who Date: 22 Dec 1998 19:44:56 +0000 > (sconosciuta) band electro KAISERSOZE di cui faccio (modestamente) parte, well, let's try to get less far from the topic... for the few poor fellows around the world who still do not speak italian, the guy is talking about a contest his electro-band will be into. if you are in Rome on jan 25 call him and he will give you a discount ticket. ho capito bene, marce'? ingresso gratis per la traduzione... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: R: (kw) (Sorry, off-topic) : ELECTRO MUSIC at <> (who canspeak Italian ?) Date: 23 Dec 1998 01:39:31 +0100 >Saluto i fans della musica elettronica e deiKW in particolare !!! La >band electro KAISERSOZE di cui faccio parte, >attiva a ROMA con la propria produzione di demo/tapes ed esibizioni live >(durante le quali vengono proposte sia brani originali che covers) si >esibirà il 25 Gennaio 1999 (ore 21.30 ca.) al locale <> di Roma >nel corso della manifestazione/gara <>. >Abbiamo a disposizione un'ottantina di biglietti a >prezzo ridotto ... per informazioni, iniviate messaggi a:MDISANTE@sogei.it > >Marcello (tel. 06/66140076 - 5080272) To all fans of KW on this list: if the 25 of January you'll be in Rome, don't miss the live performance of KAISERSOZE, a KW inspirated band! I had the opportunity of listen KAISERSOZE few months ago, and I must say they are extraordinary ! ! ! DON' T YOU MISS THEM ! ! ! Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Rusbridge" Subject: (kw) To Breakdancers Date: 23 Dec 1998 00:48:58 -0000 >To all of you who used to breakdance to "Tour De France", do you know where I >can get a copy of "Apache", and who performs it? Thanks. The track 'Apache' is by Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band. It can be found on a fairly new compilation put together by DJ Pogo called 'The Breaks'. it also features tracks from The Headhunters - god made me funky, Jimmy Caster - It's just begun and James Brown - funky drummer, to name but a few... An absolute must have! Its on the Harmless label - HURTLP 012 Volume 2 is out in the UK in February. Jim Members Numbers Money People # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SRRecords@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW-singer Date: 22 Dec 1998 21:35:49 EST In a message dated 12/22/98 7:11:27 AM, you wrote: <> No - I'm quite sure it's ralf that does the main singing. Karl sings on "The Telephone Call" . . . .Florian's voice is quite a bit different from either of those two voices - as can be heard on "Radioland" . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) Music Videos Date: 22 Dec 1998 07:35:41 PST I visited the Kraftwerk Media Centre and watched all of the music videos that were there. My absolute favourites were the two versions of "The Robots" and Music Non-Stop. Regarding the Mix Version of "The Robots"; Can anybody explain what the music at the very tail end of it synchs into? Is that part of the video or is that just some sort of MTV filler. I'm talking about the instrument that sounds like a Koto, with the lovely hollering voice in the background. If this music does belong to the video, I am wondering if anybody out there has a remix on a CD with that addition to the song, and I also wonder if that extention lasts longer. The way it synchs up after the robots are singing is just breathtaking. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What else is new with DJ Compute? Most of you rememeber I promised a web site with music on it a long long time ago...well, I discovered that my 486 DX100 computer wasn't too good at encoding MP3's (everyone's preferred format). Well I have just bought a new top of the line machine which will do everything I want it to, so I'm ready to encode and provide my own Kraftwerk boots, so to speak. What I might ask from some of you who have worked with MP3 encoders before I need someone to recommend the best, easiest one to use, and it has to be free (or it doesn't expire) I've tried a bunch of them and they all suck. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks very much in advance, and Happy Holidays to all!!! DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-singer Date: 23 Dec 1998 01:20:17 -0200 > <> > > No - I'm quite sure it's Ralf that does the main singing. Karl sings on "The > Telephone Call" . . . .Florian's voice is quite a bit different from either of > those two voices - as can be heard on "Radioland" . . . . Now I'm really confused!!!! I only can think now in Wolfgang . . . . Merry xmas for all! Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) buy autobahn Date: 22 Dec 1998 13:43:00 -0500 >i need to buy original autobahn on cd. can anyone recommend a place on->line or a real store which sells it for a low price. i live in ohio usa for area >recommendations. Good luck. I ordered it from a local record store. Took 4 months to get it and it cost me $38. I had it for about a week. I had it and a few other CDs do my basement. My wife saw them there and was afraid they'd get moldy, so she decided to bring them up. She then dropped the jewel cases on the concrete floor, and Autobahn was the only one that landed label side up. She then tried to pick it up, draging it around the floor at the same time. It now has a large pit in it, and Autobahn has a nasty skip in it from 6:20 to 6:38. I have not been able to find another copy for love or money. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: Re: (kw) Music Videos Date: 23 Dec 1998 00:51:32 -0600 Yes, that was some MTV filler. And, yes I was too lazy to edit it out like I did with every other video:-) >Regarding the Mix Version of "The Robots"; Can anybody explain what the >music at the very tail end of it synchs into? Is that part of the video >or is that just some sort of MTV filler. I'm talking about the >instrument that sounds like a Koto, with the lovely hollering voice in >the background. > >If this music does belong to the video, I am wondering if anybody out >there has a remix on a CD with that addition to the song, and I also >wonder if that extention lasts longer. The way it synchs up after the >robots are singing is just breathtaking. ___________________________________________ Peter Liethen --- pliethen@execpc.com PeteNet Studio --- petenet.dragonfire.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Oggetto: KW & ZEN(Maybe a poll; by the way, thanx to all the Date: 23 Dec 1998 10:10:30 +0100 Thank You very much for your english translation: actually, I Used Italian language because i DIDN'T THINK THAT ANYONE COULD BE INTERESTED IN A SO SMALL EVENT HAPPENING so far from home ... However, welcome to all the people that will be in Rome in January and that will see us playing VS <>. Pleaese, take contact with me for SMALL_price and free tickets. Now, let's come back to KW: Many Years ago, Ralf said that he & Florian followed The ZEN philosophy: their (apparently) simple & linear music was strictly bound to ZEN THOUGHT. I fell that influence from ZEN it's clearly noticeable in <>, <>, <> & <> : a join between dance & meditation. I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT IT (OK, IT'S A POLL !!!) MERRY XMAS AND A HAPPY NEW ELECTRO YEAR !!! MARCELLO # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) KW & ZEN Date: 23 Dec 1998 09:49:09 -0000 does anyone know where and when r+f said they follow zen philosophy? and can no one give me an exact date of autobahn's release? i asked a week or so ago but everyone was talking about rap "music". chris - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: Re: (kw) Music Videos Date: 23 Dec 1998 15:38:13 +0200 >What I might ask from some of you who have worked with MP3 encoders >before I need someone to recommend the best, easiest one to use, and it >has to be free (or it doesn't expire) > >I've tried a bunch of them and they all suck. Any suggestions would be >much appreciated. > Try Sound Recorder, it comes with any Windows. You may find it in Programs/Accessories/Multimedia. Open your file, choose Save As... in file menu, press Change... button and choose mpeg layer-3 with desired quality. Probably it's not the fastest, but it makes the job done. Cheers, Eugene # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John B. Morgan" Subject: Re: (kw) Music Videos Date: 23 Dec 1998 08:47:08 -0500 (EST) Just go to http://www.dailymp3.com/, they have a whole list to choose from, all of which you can download for free. I've had good luck using the encoding feature in "Unreal Player." On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Eugene Zaikonnikov wrote: > > >What I might ask from some of you who have worked with MP3 encoders > >before I need someone to recommend the best, easiest one to use, and it > >has to be free (or it doesn't expire) > > > >I've tried a bunch of them and they all suck. Any suggestions would be > >much appreciated. > > ******************************************************************************* John Morgan "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias Student Services, they had warfare, terror, murder, and The University of Michigan bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, LS&A Honors Program Leonardo da Vinci, and the http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/ Renaissance. In Switzerland including The Colin Wilson Page they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. See you later, Holly." --Orson Welles, THE THIRD MAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Music Videos Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:20:45 +0300 Eugene Zaikonnikov wrote: > > Try Sound Recorder, it comes with any Windows. You may find it in > Programs/Accessories/Multimedia. Open your file, choose Save As... in file > menu, press Change... button and choose mpeg layer-3 with desired quality. > Probably it's not the fastest, but it makes the job done. > I'm far from sure that every Windows comes with mp3 encoder.. MP3 encoding is not patent free in many countries and requires a license to be payed to Fraunhofer Labs. *May be* Windows 98 ships with mp3 encoder, as I don't use it and don't know, but windows95 is without it for sure.. Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: FW: (kw) Music Videos Date: 23 Dec 1998 15:38:32 +0100 > Eugene Zaikonnikov wrote: > > > > > Try Sound Recorder, it comes with any Windows. You may find it in > > Programs/Accessories/Multimedia. Open your file, choose Save As... in > file > > menu, press Change... button and choose mpeg layer-3 with desired > quality. > > Probably it's not the fastest, but it makes the job done. > > > > I'm far from sure that every Windows comes with mp3 encoder.. MP3 encoding > is > not patent free in many countries and requires a license to be payed to > Fraunhofer Labs. > > *May be* Windows 98 ships with mp3 encoder, as I don't use it and don't > know, > but windows95 is without it for sure.. > > Vladimir > > WindowsNT4.0 as this option included as well. To my own surprise, never thought the sound recorder is so cool... :) Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Autobahn CD's Date: 23 Dec 1998 06:56:37 -0800 (PST) William Dobiesz wrote: > >i need to buy original autobahn on cd. can anyone recommend a place > on->line or a real store which sells it for a low price. i live in ohio > usa for area > >recommendations. > > Good luck. I ordered it from a local record store. Took 4 months to get > it and it cost me $38. I had it for about a week. I just saw it in New York (where I live) for about $18...must have been Tower Records or HMV. I could pick one up easily enough if someone needs it. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) The Chain: Date: 23 Dec 1998 11:02:39 -0500 >This is the german side of the development, but my point is that neither >HipHop developed from Techno, nor vice versa. Both my share some of their >roots, but they don?t depend on each other in any way. >Peter That is what I meant by me earlier comment of shades of grey. As you make a picture of music, a mosaic if you will, it almost seems that in the big picture, everything is independent, but interdependent as well. If you want to go WAY back to roots, instrumental music probably started when someone realized you could take a stick and hit a tree with it and it sounded one way, hit a rock and it sounds different. But the tree of music is so twisted and convoluted...I said back when I was in high school (1976) that it was a very fine line between rock and disco. I feel it is a fine line between techno and hip-hop as well, although many groups in both genres try to stay as far away from the dividing line as possible. And do you know WHY it is so hard to define? Because humans are all different, and therefore groups are all different. Have you ever gone into a record store to look for a particular record, and couldn't find it because it was in a different area? I'd like to have a record store arranged like my record collection, where Jimmy Buffet is located next to The Butthole Surfers, without worrying "oh, that's in the lousy-records-nobody-in-their-right-mind-would-buy section". You either like music from a particular group or you don't. Way back when I was in elementary school, we had this "music appreciation" class. I learned a lot and I enjoyed it although many of my classmates did not. The bad part was the teacher - it was his opinion that the ONLY music that was any good was classical, and why anyone would waste their money on any other music was beyond him. It's kind of funny - the people I hear here talking so bad about hip-hop are saying almost exactly the same thing that that stuffed shirt teacher was saying - except that he would have hated Kraftwerk (probably). What I'm driving at here is, did KW influence hip-hop (or anything else?) - is say "does it really matter? Do you like it or don't you? If you do, listen to it. If you don't, don't listen to it. I think everything is influenced at least to some extent to what has gone before, and what will happen in the future is at least to some extent influenced by what is happening today and has happened in the past. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Raistrick" Subject: RE: (kw) autobahn Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:05:08 -0000 i need the DATE of the autobahn release, not just the month, please. all will be revealed to this list when i get it! chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: R: (kw) (Sorry, off-topic) : ELECTRO MUSIC at <> Date: 23 Dec 1998 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) >Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it wrote: >To all fans of KW on this list: >if the 25 of January you'll be in Rome, don't miss the live performance of KAISERSOZE, a KW inspirated band! >I had the opportunity of listen KAISERSOZE few months ago, and I must say they are extraordinary ! ! ! >DON' T YOU MISS THEM ! ! ! is there any relation to the character Kaiser Soze from the film "Usual Suspects"? or is Kaiser Soze a historically relavant name which predates the film? lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dfee@juno.com (David P Fee) Subject: (kw) KW at depeche mode concert... correction Date: 23 Dec 1998 09:42:21 -0800 Silly me. It was Radioland played by the DJ, not Airwaves. ...Probably the German version as well. Not that it matters! :) lurk mode on David Fee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: SV: (kw) KW at depeche mode concert... correction Date: 24 Dec 1998 01:16:06 +0100 >Silly me. It was Radioland played by the DJ, not Airwaves. = ...Probably >the German version as well. Not that it matters! :) > >lurk mode on >David Fee Hi guys and gals, While talking about KW music at other artists concerts: On July 14 this = year Jean-Michel Jarre staged one of his mega outdoor concerts in Paris = (on Champ de Mars to be specific), and one of the warm-up support acts = were DJ Claude Monet. He played a remix of Numbers but I dont know which = specific remix. This track was played early in the afternoon, possibly = as early as 5. Jarre forever! And happy Christmas to you all! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanklubb Norge att. Glenn Folkvord, Lundgard, 2032 Maura (Norway) Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on CBC Date: 24 Dec 1998 01:58:40 -0500 (EST) Hello fellow Kraftwerkians: i just finished listening to an interview with Terre Thaemlitz on CBC's "Brave New Waves" programme. he talked about DieRoboterRubato and being a drag queen and how Kraftwerk is homoerotic and masogenistic and that they are oblivious to the messges they are sending in their songs. like women are only telephones answering machines and super-models, and that Kraftwerk creates a man-machine world which is homoerotic in nature. he mentioned the Spin article about KW. does anyone have the magazine in question. he said there is a map of KW in the magazine, i'd like to see that, can someone send me the issue info so i can find this magazine. i know it was discussed before, but i did not pay attention, my fault. Thaemlitz said he is planning a piano solo album of Gary Numan tunes, all about getting hand jobs in England. lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lbo Subject: (kw) internet (ra) "radio" of electronic music Date: 24 Dec 1998 13:53:27 +0000 this is a section of a semi-pro italian site dedicated to science fiction. you'll find italian and english text. music is in real audio format. if you are interested in science fiction you can also follow some link, but most refer to italian language pages. http://www.fantascienza.com/delosradio/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (kw) MARC ET claude Date: 24 Dec 1998 08:30:27 -0400 has anyone seen this CD in the states yet? cheers and merry xmas good nite europe Weld Mike Morgan wrote: well just managed to pick up a copy of "A Tribute to Kraftwerk" by Marc et Claude It is fabulous... sort of computerworld on steroids... I hate to say it but i think it is better than Kraftwerk. I really recommend it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) MARC ET claude Date: 24 Dec 1998 09:13:22 -0600 Your best bet is any Virgin Records. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ctzero@aol.com Subject: (kw) Zehn Kleine Negerlein Date: 24 Dec 1998 12:24:07 EST Mes Amis, I recently purchased the KW bootleg "Toccata Electronica". It contains an instrumental piece called "Zehn Kleine Negerlein" which I had never heard of before. Does anyone know where this song came from, and what the title means? Any info is appreciated. I also want to wish a Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all members of the KW newsgroup! May 1999 bring us all great peace, prosperity, and hopefully another Kraftwerk world tour! David M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) Christmas Date: 24 Dec 1998 16:44:34 -0200 Merry Christmas for all, also Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and cia. BOING ! BOOM ! TSCHAK !!! Eduardo Monteiro from Brasil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) Merry X-Mas Date: 24 Dec 1998 21:08:53 +0100 We can propose to United Nations for get the 'Boing Shack' like international cristmas carol boing peng boom tschak psst psst boing peng boom tschak zzzong boing peng boom tschak zong zong boing peng boom tschak tschak peng, Merry X-mas for all :-) Juan Prieto - MuSiK musik@cheerful.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Oggetto: KW & ZEN(Maybe a poll; by the way, thanx to all Date: 24 Dec 1998 14:22:19 -0600 mdisante@sogei.it wrote: > Many Years ago, Ralf said that he & Florian followed The ZEN philosophy: > their (apparently) simple & linear music was strictly bound to ZEN THOUGHT. > I fell that influence from ZEN it's clearly noticeable in < MIRRORS>>, <>, <> & <> : > a join between dance & meditation. > I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT IT (OK, IT'S A POLL !!!) > MERRY XMAS AND A HAPPY NEW ELECTRO YEAR !!! Maybe if it wasn't for simple minimalism, instead of "Pocket Calculator" it might have been "Mainframe computer." "I'm the operator--yes--the mainframe operator. I am multitasking. I am punch carding...." Actually here is the real meaning: - Hall of Mirrors: examine yourself in the hall of mirrors with sober repentance. - Music Non-Stop: see the book of Revelation where the creatures are praising God forever. Now that's music non-stop. - Neon Lights: The Magi saw a big Neon light from the east. - The Man-Machine: Jesus works as a boy in a carpenter's shop. - Computer World: Jesus overturns the tables of the money changers. - Autobahn: the shepherds watching their flocks are the voices on the radio. - Dentaku: the disciples speak in tongues. - Telephone Call: Pilate gets the message from his wife about her bad dream before sending Jesus to be crucified. - Sex Object: woman who had lived a sinful life breaks perfume on Jesus' feet. - News: I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. - The Voice of Energy: the words spoken "Glory to God in the highest" - The Model: Herodias' wife who requested the head of John the Baptist on a platter. - Metropolis: Jesus enters Jerusalem on a donkey. - It's More Fun To Compute: the disciples study the meaning of prophecy - Trans-Europe Express: Apostle Paul evangelizes Europe - Showroom Dummes: the Roman soldiers - Endless Endless: Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) KW & ZEN Date: 24 Dec 1998 15:52:54 -0500 (EST) can "Intermission" be Moses parting the Red sea, or did this just go over my head like with most other non-subscribers to the Christian faith, could you please explain what the below text means. thanks lenny g p.s. thanks Bob, the check is in the mail. looking good. At bvonmoss@bigfoot.com wrote: >Actually here is the real meaning: >- Hall of Mirrors: examine yourself in the hall of mirrors with sober repentance. >- Music Non-Stop: see the book of Revelation where the creatures are praising God >forever. Now that's music non-stop. >- Neon Lights: The Magi saw a big Neon light from the east. >- The Man-Machine: Jesus works as a boy in a carpenter's shop. >- Computer World: Jesus overturns the tables of the money changers. >- Autobahn: the shepherds watching their flocks are the voices on the radio. >- Dentaku: the disciples speak in tongues. >- Telephone Call: Pilate gets the message from his wife about her bad dream >before sending Jesus to be crucified. >- Sex Object: woman who had lived a sinful life breaks perfume on Jesus' feet. >- News: I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. >- The Voice of Energy: the words spoken "Glory to God in the highest" >- The Model: Herodias' wife who requested the head of John the Baptist on a >platter. >- Metropolis: Jesus enters Jerusalem on a donkey. >- It's More Fun To Compute: the disciples study the meaning of prophecy >- Trans-Europe Express: Apostle Paul evangelizes Europe >- Showroom Dummes: the Roman soldiers >- Endless Endless: Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Zehn Kleine Negerlein Date: 24 Dec 1998 14:45:14 -0500 >I recently purchased the KW bootleg "Toccata Electronica". It contains an >instrumental piece called "Zehn Kleine Negerlein" which I had never heard of >before. Does anyone know where this song came from, and what the title >means? >Any info is appreciated. This song was discussed here a few months ago. As I recall, it translates to "Ten Little Negroes", and is similar in nature to the common American song, "99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall" I also want to wish a Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all members of the KW newsgroup! May 1999 bring us all great peace, prosperity, and hopefully another Kraftwerk world tour! The same to you and yours! Huggy Bear np: Rednex - The Sad But True Story Of Ray Mingus... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Seasons Greetings Date: 24 Dec 1998 14:54:19 -0500 Hello to one and all, Merry Christmas Happy Haunaka Happy Yule Feliz Navidad Joyeux Noel Or whatever you celebrate and however you say it. Holiday greetings to all the members of the Kraftwerk list all around the world. May the season bring good times to you and all those you love. Bill Dobiesz, aka "Huggy Bear" Warren (Detroit) Michigan, USA np: Mannheim Steamroller - Silent Night (Stille Nacht) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Kraftwerk on CBC Date: 24 Dec 1998 15:27:47 -0500 > Kraftwerk is homoerotic and masogenistic and that they >are oblivious to the messges they are sending in their songs. like women >are only telephones answering machines and super-models, and that >Kraftwerk creates a man-machine world which is homoerotic in nature. This only goes to show...there are gays...and then there are queers... >he mentioned the Spin article about KW. I wish the article would have been a little better... >does anyone have the magazine in question. I do >he said there is a map of KW in the magazine, i'd like to see that, It is interesting...now I know what the cover of R&F looks like. It also explains ties to related bands, ones that influenced them, as well as those that were influenced by them. It's the August 1998 issue, the one with the picture of Christina Ricci on the cover. The KW article starts on page 115, (titled Werk In Progress) with a picture of the four on page 114, dressed as gas station attendants (pump jockeys)...funny thing though... the faces look just like the ones on the TEE cover... >Thaemlitz said he is planning a piano solo album of Gary Numan tunes, all >about getting hand jobs in England. I bet... The article does mention Gary Numan as well... Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 24 Dec 1998 15:33:41 -0500 >Also- Anyone ever notice that "The Microsoft Sound" (usually the 6 second >default opening sound in Windows) was created by Brian Eno?? I did not >know this. Not directly related to KW, but i thought it was odd. I saw this once, and I was going to mention it...but of my two main computers, one has Win 95 and the other has Win 98. The Microsoft Sound (actual file name THEMIC~1.WAV) is different between the two. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir Ivaschenko Subject: Re: (kw) Oggetto: KW & ZEN(Maybe a poll; by the way, thanx to all Date: 25 Dec 1998 01:03:19 +0300 Bob VonMoss wrote: > > - The Model: Herodias' wife who requested the head of John the Baptist on a > platter. > - Metropolis: Jesus enters Jerusalem on a donkey. > - It's More Fun To Compute: the disciples study the meaning of prophecy > - Trans-Europe Express: Apostle Paul evangelizes Europe > - Showroom Dummes: the Roman soldiers > - Endless Endless: Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega What about "The Mix"? Jesus returns? :-) And merry christmas to everyone! (even if people in my country celebrate New Year) :) Vladimir # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Seasons Greetings Date: 24 Dec 1998 16:59:56 -0500 >Merry Christmas >Happy Hanukah >Happy Yule >Feliz Navidad >Joyeux Noel Let me add "Aholim LeHanukah," and just to play Devil's Advocate, what about "Happy Kwanzaa"? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) KW at depeche mode concert Date: 24 Dec 1998 18:33:55 -0800 Yes, DM did the same thing in Oakland, CA on the 11th. Quite humourous... they played 'Computer Love' before the concert while people were seating. Bill Talley David P Fee wrote: > > Hi all, > This is probably not of much interest to everyone, but tonight at the > depeche mode concert in Anaheim, CA USA the DJ between acts played KW. > It was Airwaves, I believe. During the concert, images were flashed on > large screens... one set was of Andrew Fletcher dressed in red and black > with slicked-back hair, ala. Man Machine. I found it interesting. > > Happy holidays, > David Fee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 24 Dec 1998 18:36:00 -0800 DEAR CRAP! This is not only a complete and utter shock, but highly amusing as well. Ha. Eno working in technology - gee, that's unbelievable! %D Lemmie see here - Jarre made that interactive video creation CD. Perhaps K will do something more interactive with their new release... But what? An action figure appearing somewhat human that can be programmed to dance from the PC? Kinda like that programmable Barbie my friend has. He cracked the audio format that the cute "Barbisms" are stored as and now has her screaming "KILL COBRA" and the ever popular "Get off me pa, your crushin' ma smokes!" Bill Talley >Andrew wrote: >Windows NT Server 4.0 comes with an optional Pinball game. >You can turn on some background music, which sounds very >Kraftwerkian. > Also- Anyone ever notice that "The Microsoft Sound" (usually the 6 second > default opening sound in Windows) was created by Brian Eno?? I did not know > this. Not directly related to KW, but i thought it was odd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: R: (kw) (Sorry, off-topic) : ELECTRO MUSIC at <> Date: 24 Dec 1998 18:40:18 -0800 We actually have a Keizer Soze at my workplace... Spooky... Kraftwerk should do the soundtrack to a spy movie! Like 'Metropolis' or 'Showroom Dummies' style... yeah! Bill > >To all fans of KW on this list: > >if the 25 of January you'll be in Rome, don't miss the live performance of > KAISERSOZE, a KW inspirated band! > >I had the opportunity of listen KAISERSOZE few months ago, and I must say > they are extraordinary ! ! ! > >DON' T YOU MISS THEM ! ! ! > is there any relation to the character Kaiser Soze from the film "Usual > Suspects"? or is Kaiser Soze a historically relavant name which predates > the film? > lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on CBC Date: 24 Dec 1998 19:18:18 -0800 Heh, or he could use George Michael - same difference... ; ) Bill > before, but i did not pay attention, my fault. Thaemlitz said he is > planning a piano solo album of Gary Numan tunes, all about getting hand jobs > in England. > > lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on CBC Date: 25 Dec 1998 01:22:41 -0500 (EST) quite true! did you see his last(?) video, gay cops dansing and kissing, steamy, i thought it was cool. blows Marilyn Manson to hell. lenny g (William Talley) wrote: > >Heh, or he could use George Michael - same difference... ; ) > >Bill > > >> before, but i did not pay attention, my fault. Thaemlitz said he is >> planning a piano solo album of Gary Numan tunes, all about getting hand jobs >> in England. >> >> lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) Heavy Breathing Date: 25 Dec 1998 05:01:38 EST Does the "heavy breathing" in TDF represent a bicyclist in the Tour de France race? If so, I wonder what Dr Dre of the World Class Wrecking Cru thought when he did the heavy breathing in "Juice" or Egyptian Lover when he did the heavy breathing in "Girls" and "Egypt, Egypt"? ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) TRIBAL GATHERING concert (bootleg) Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:33:55 -0200 Hi. I have two copies only (on CD-r) of Tribal Gathering ´97 concert for TRADE. Includes Numbers, Computer World, The Man Machine, Radioactivity and others songs I WANT for swap: TANGERINE DREAM = CYCLONE TANGERINE DREAM = RICOCHET If interested, please, contact me privately Thanks ! E.M. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo Date: 25 Dec 1998 08:59:11 -0700 "Christmas Lights, Shimmering Christmas Lights." DJFRANKX http://members.tripod.com/~DJFRANKX/kw2000.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Kraftwerkian Pinball in Windows NT 4.0 Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:15:37 -0500 >Perhaps K will do something more interactive with their new release... >But what? An action figure appearing somewhat human that can be >programmed to dance from the PC? That would be kool...either as a robot or as a mannequin... (Nous sommes les mannequins!) > Kinda like that programmable Barbie my >friend has. He cracked the audio format that the cute "Barbisms" are >stored as and now has her screaming "KILL COBRA" and the ever popular >"Get off me pa, your crushin' ma smokes!" Now THAT'S funny! I'd love to have that, especially saying obscenitites or talking like a ho. I still wish I could get my hands on some of the other banned toys, such as the "Eat Me" Cabbage Patch Dolls, the Teletubbies "Po" doll that says "Bite me, faggot", or the McDonald's 101 Dalmations puppy where the dog is...shall we say, "having more fun" with his teddy bear. Bill Talley >Andrew wrote: >Windows NT Server 4.0 comes with an optional Pinball game. >You can turn on some background music, which sounds very >Kraftwerkian. > Also- Anyone ever notice that "The Microsoft Sound" (usually the 6 second > default opening sound in Windows) was created by Brian Eno?? I did not know > this. Not directly related to KW, but i thought it was odd. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) current events Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:48:23 -0500 >1. "Sex Object" - I don't know what it is, but this song seems powerful. It >must be the voice. I would love to hear the German version. In my area, the >stores only carry the German versions of CW and TMM. Where do you live? I would love to get German versions of these. Please E-Mail me privately, maybe we can work out something. 3. "Kometenmelodie 2" - Autobaun is an album that I almost never listen to. I recently pulled out the CD and was listening and noticed this song. It seems to have that "happy" feeling to it. Agree? Very much so. I consider it more a "bright" sound, but I have called it a "suprise" song, or one that in a way doesn't fit the mosaic of color as the rest of the album in one way or another....then I realized that almost every album has an odd song like that...this is just my opinion, but I wonder if anyone else sees it: KW1 - Vom Himmel Hoch KW2 - Atem R&F - Kristallo Autobahn - Komettenmelodie 2 Radioactivity - Ohm Sweet Ohm TEE - Hall Of Mirrors MM - The Model CW - Pocket Calculator EC - Sex Object The Mix - Music Non Stop >Also, whenever I listen to one of my favorite KW songs, "The Telephone >Call", I hear and think drama. This is also something I can't explain. Do you >understand? Have you ever heard of a play called "Sorry, Wrong Number"? It was originally done on some suspenseful program during "the golden age of radio" (I think in the 30's or early 40's). It was very dramatic, I remember we did it in one of my classes when I was in 7th grade...I can give you more details if you like. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott_Coverley@fac.com Subject: Re: (kw) Music Videos Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:20:32 -0500 What else is new with DJ Compute? Most of you rememeber I promised a web site with music on it a long long time ago...well, I discovered that my 486 DX100 computer wasn't too good at encoding MP3's (everyone's preferred format). Well I have just bought a new top of the line machine which will do everything I want it to, so I'm ready to encode and provide my own Kraftwerk boots, so to speak. How about posting Trans X's "Living on Video" when you do get the site up and running? I think other people on this list would appreciate that song as well and I know that is one of your favourites. Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo Date: 25 Dec 1998 12:23:20 -0500 "Christmas Lights, Shimmering Christmas Lights." My knowledge of Francais isn't that great, so forgive me if I get something wrong... Joyeux Noelle et Bon Apetite Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) R&F Date: 25 Dec 1998 13:33:44 -0500 Does anyone know what the translation of the song titles from R&F? I already know that Tanzmusik = Dance Music, but the others, I'm not sure: Elektrisches Roulette Tongebirge Kristallo (I think this might mean Crystal...it makes sense from the music.) Heimatklange Ananas Symphonie Any information would be helpful. Huggy Bear np: Rednex - Wild And Free # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: Re: (kw) R&F Date: 25 Dec 1998 17:12:02 -0200 William Dobiesz wrote: > Does anyone know what the translation of the song titles from R&F? Well, I'm not a german speaker, but I can help. > I already know that Tanzmusik = Dance Music, but the others, I'm not sure: > Elektrisches Roulette It's something like Electric Roulette or Electrical of roulette, I don't know... > Tongebirge Tone mountains maybe... > Kristallo (I think this might mean Crystal...it makes sense from the music.) I also think it is Crystal... > Heimatklange Homeland sound... > Ananas Symphonie Pineapple Symphonie Any german native speaker please fell free to correct my errors... Priscila. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) R&F Date: 25 Dec 1998 14:21:43 -0500 (EST) At 01:33 PM 12/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anyone know what the translation of the song titles from R&F? > >I already know that Tanzmusik = Dance Music, but the others, I'm not sure: > >Elektrisches Roulette -- Electric Roulette >Tongebirge -- A Mountain Range of Tones >Kristallo (I think this might mean Crystal...it makes sense from the music.) -- Crystals >Heimatklange -- The Sounds Of Homeland >Ananas Symphonie -- Pineapple Symphony these translations were taken from the Pascal Bussy's book "Man Machine and Music". lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: (kw) song names Date: 25 Dec 1998 15:47:38 -0500 (EST) does anyone know what Noitasinagro from Tone Float means? what language it's in? is Atem (the KW song from KW2) in any way related to Tangerine Dream's album Atem? KW's Atem predates TD's Atem by about two years. was TD inspired by KW? they "grew up" close by in same time. what does atem mean? i heard two translations: breath and atom, which is correct? thanks lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: Re: (kw) song names Date: 25 Dec 1998 22:03:08 +0100 > does anyone know what Noitasinagro from Tone Float means? what language it's in? Language: English Meaning: The act or process of organizing or of being organized. ...but it's spelled backwards, of course Happy holidays /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EZwerk Subject: Re: (kw) MARC ET claude Date: 25 Dec 1998 16:08:48 +0000 Most of the Marc et Claude stuff I have seen has been on import on the ADDITIVE label. Other than that, no go in the States. > has anyone seen this CD in the states yet? > cheers and merry xmas > good nite europe > Weld > > > Mike Morgan wrote: well just managed to pick up a copy of "A Tribute to > Kraftwerk" by Marc et Claude > > It is fabulous... sort of computerworld on steroids... > I hate to say it but i think it is better than Kraftwerk. > I really recommend it. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) buy autobahn Date: 25 Dec 1998 17:59:30 EST In a message dated 98-12-22 10:27:16 EST, you write: > hello, > > i need to buy original autobahn on cd. can anyone recommend a place on- line > or a real store which sells it for a low price. i live in ohio usa for area > recommendations. > > thank you all in advance, > > lenny g When you say low price, what do you mean? In my area, the CD goes for about $30. That is a CD import. I have never seen a U.S. version. I was lucky enough to get my import for about $11 because that was a used copy. The store in my area who carries the CD pretty regularly is Virgin Megastore. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: (kw) The Chain: Date: 25 Dec 1998 18:38:28 EST In a message dated 98-12-23 11:11:01 EST, you write: > >This is the german side of the development, but my point is that neither > >HipHop developed from Techno, nor vice versa. Both my share some of their > >roots, but they don?t depend on each other in any way. Maybe I should say it this way: All of those Urbal Beats groups were inspired by rap music. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) song names Date: 25 Dec 1998 23:01:45 -0500 >does anyone know what Noitasinagro from Tone Float means? what >language it's in? It's Organisation spelled backwards. Never having heard it, I don't know what its siginificance is. >KW? they "grew up" close by in same time. what does atem mean? i >heard two translations: breath and atom, which is correct? It definately means breath. Listen to the song, it makes sense. Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: FW: (kw) current events Date: 25 Dec 1998 22:53:10 -0500 >Seeing as how the translation is supposed to be Comet Melody and Cosmos >is all about space, it makes sense, so in essence the two tunes have a >very spacey feel to them. An accompanying video, just travelling through >space with lots of pretty stars would be very powerful. Kometenmelodie 1 >on the other hand could be travelling through space, but possibly >through less of a starry setting, perhaps looking at larger planets and >stuff. I've looked at them as Komettenmelodie 1 being a comet or meteor flying through space..passing the various planets and astral bodies. Then it encounters the gravity of earth, and makes a spectacular flaming entry through the atmosphere. This is Komettenmelodie 2. That's that I think, . Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) song names Date: 26 Dec 1998 16:00:13 +0100 At 15.47 25/12/98 -0500, you wrote: > >does anyone know what Noitasinagro from Tone Float means? what language it's in? try to read it from right to left... :-) >Atem? KW's Atem predates TD's Atem by about two years. was TD inspired by predated, predated. I don't like this word. do you mean that K copied TD? that once they wake up and said, "mmmh, these tangerine dream... interesting... we could sell some record if we sound like them and steal the merit for a cultural movement... fine, let's do it."? they lived in the more or less same environment so it's likely they could end up with something that will loosely seem similar. all the british electro scene of the early new wave more or less sounded the same (maybe becasue it was a recombination of the same people in different groups), but it was the mood of the time, not a predation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: FW: FW: (kw) current events Date: 26 Dec 1998 16:07:11 +0100 >I've looked at them as Komettenmelodie 1 being a comet or meteor flying >through space..passing the various planets and astral bodies. Then it >encounters the gravity of earth, and makes a spectacular flaming entry >through the atmosphere. This is Komettenmelodie 2. well, not with the intention to look like a teacher, but if we enalrge the scale, we have that the comet encounter the gravity of the sun (instead of the earth), and that the collision with the so called solar wind (instead of the atmosphere) created a luminous plasma of matter, that is the luminous comet tail we know, and we have the real phenomenon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Morgan" Subject: (kw) re Marc et Claude Date: 26 Dec 1998 16:08:51 -0000 For folks in England.... "Tribute to Kraftwerk" by Marc et Claude is available only on import Orbit records. It seems to be the best seleing import in Tower records, piccadilly and HMV on Oxford st. Its costs a lot £7.50. but it is well worth it. none of this Komputer crap but something much fresher. they also have a single out on Positiva records in the UK called "LA", nothing like the tribute CD but one of the best dance records of the year in my humble opinion. Its worth trying to get the version as an import from orbit as this has more mixes than the UK release. ( in the UK CD singles are now prohibited from being over 20 min long !! ) I also got hold of a record by them from Germany ( where they come from) called Sunshine. If you like Kraftwerk then do you best to get hold of the "Tribute" CD it is well well worth having. It contains 5 mixes ! There other recrds would only be of interest to those who like happy trance music ( I DO !) cheers and a happy new year from Mike Morgan in London # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) COSMOS & KOMETENMELODIE Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:49:48 PST I've had this tape for many years, it is the soundtrack for Cosmos, Carl Sagan's old program. There's a song at the very beginning of the tape which kind of has the same feel as Kometenmelodie 2.> Seeing as how the translation is supposed to be Comet Melody and Cosmos is all about space, it makes sense, so in essence the two tunes have a very spacey feel to them. An accompanying video, just travelling through space with lots of pretty stars would be very powerful. Kometenmelodie 1 on the other hand could be travelling through space, but possibly through less of a starry setting, perhaps looking at larger planets and stuff. DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) What's New DJ Compute? Date: 25 Dec 1998 11:51:32 PST I keep downloading all these pieces of software that don't work. I wish I could get this going but The MP3 maker is the only thing stopping me!! I will definitely post Living on Video.... Any more help with MP3 is much appreciated, otherwise I'll just keep trying.... DJ Compute... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) DJ Compute Date: 26 Dec 1998 06:11:12 PST Hi everyone, I've been posting a few messages but I haven't seen them come up. Mind you I didn't place a (kw) in the subject line and maybe that's why they weren't posted? I don't know...I'm just testing here to make sure I can post and then I'll tell you all about where to find my new mp3 files. Thanks, DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alsbury" Subject: (kw) the future of Kraftwerk? Date: 26 Dec 1998 14:11:07 -0000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_240000/240642.stm could this be the future of kraftwerk? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) song names Date: 26 Dec 1998 12:36:26 -0500 (EST) >47 wrote: >>Atem? KW's Atem predates TD's Atem by about two years. was TD inspired by >lbo wrote: >predated, predated. I don't like this word. do you mean that K copied TD? > that once they wake up and said, "mmmh, these tangerine dream... >interesting... we could sell some record if we sound like them and steal >the merit for a cultural movement... fine, let's do it."? NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! on the contrary, i said quite the opposite. KW's Atem was recorded in 1971 and released in 1972 (someone correct me if i am wrong, i am quoting the P. Bussy book) TD's Atem was released in 1973. so to quote my previous statement "KW's Atem predates TD's Atem by about two years." KW's Atem came first, and TD's Atem came second. my question: was TD's Atem related to KW's Atem (i never heard the TD Atem album, so i don't know what it sounds like, that is why i am asking) if TD's Atem is an album of nothing but artificially generated breathing sounds, than it would be true that TD copied KW, but not vise versa. predates - means came before, not came after. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: computermusic Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CZ+Video Date: 26 Dec 1998 18:06:56 +0100 Hi! 1.Happy new year !!! 2.Kraftwerk CZ change URL . New URL is :http://www.mujweb.cz/www/kraftwerk/, because server www.music.cz own terrible webmasters :-) 3.On video page you can download real video file "Kraftwerk live in Prague 1991". 4.I hope that URL : http://www.mujweb.cz/www/kraftwerk/ will be longer live. 5.If you are webmaster, please change link to my page.Thank you . 6.My new e-mail is computermusic@mujweb.cz 7.To Ralf and Florian. I am waiting 7 years for new album, please !! -- Bye Computer Music alias Metropolis from Prague Czech Republic My E-Mail: new e-mail: computermusic@mujweb.cz My Pages: Kraftwerk CZ new URL: http://www.mujweb.cz/www/kraftwerk/ old URL: http://www.music.cz/kapely/kraftwerk Computer Music http://www.mageo.cz/home/COMPUTER_MUSIC/ IRC channel #kraftwerk ( 18:00 - 24:00 CET) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) song names Date: 27 Dec 1998 01:51:00 +0100 >predates - means came before, not came after. aaah, fine then... I thought it comes from predator... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: (kw) I found R & F and Tone Float! Date: 27 Dec 1998 00:42:12 EST I was at this great record store in my city today, and they got in a bunch of copies of R&F and Tone Float. This is the same store that usually carries KW1, KW2, TMM (German) and CW (German). I don't know if my copies are the same, so here are what the covers look like: 1. Ralf and Florian: Top left says "Ralf"; top right says "Florian"; middle top has the cone logo. The middle and bottom is the known picture of the two artists in black and white. This one has six tracks. 2. Tone Float: Top from left to right says "KRAFTWERK ~ ORGANISATION". The rest of the cover is the known colorful picture with "Tone Float" written in that known way. This one has 4 regular tracks, 1 bonus, and 1 from Beat Club TV. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) COSMOS & KOMETENMELODIE Date: 26 Dec 1998 23:15:26 -0800 Aaron, I'm pretty sure that's the Tomita piece. He's another fantastic electronic music composer. I believe that his best work is represented on the album 'Snowflakes Are Dancing' (I'm pretty sure that's it). If you are lucky enough to get it on CD, that is... You will more than likely have to scourge the vinyl stores for anything. It was used extensivly as the theme music for the "ship of the mind" if I recall correctly. I had the pleasure of an opportunity to have dinner with Mrs. Segan and his son a year ago, but the misfortune of having the flu! Ah, well... Bill Talley Aaron A. wrote: > I've had this tape for many years, it is the soundtrack for Cosmos, Carl > Sagan's old program. There's a song at the very beginning of the tape > which kind of has the same feel as Kometenmelodie 2.> > Seeing as how the translation is supposed to be Comet Melody and Cosmos > is all about space, it makes sense, so in essence the two tunes have a > very spacey feel to them. An accompanying video, just travelling through > space with lots of pretty stars would be very powerful. Kometenmelodie 1 > on the other hand could be travelling through space, but possibly > through less of a starry setting, perhaps looking at larger planets and > stuff. > DJ Compute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) song names Date: 26 Dec 1998 23:19:25 -0800 Doh!! Slap me!! Bill Talley conny.annica wrote: > > > does anyone know what Noitasinagro from Tone Float means? what language it's in? > > Language: English > Meaning: The act or process of organizing or of being organized. > > ...but it's spelled backwards, of course > > Happy holidays > > /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) the future of Kraftwerk? Date: 26 Dec 1998 23:40:22 -0800 Jon, All I have to say is damned.... What a fantastic program! I'm impressed... but, I fear Mr. Pople is somewhat correct - this tastes like decaf. It smells as good, but the taste! Ah, there's our main division... And Ralph simply won't stand for decaf! In fact, didn't he spend some time in the hospital due to his excessive indulgance with caffine? It's still a beautiful idea, but the machine simply cannot create the emotion or be "imaginative" enough to predict emotion... only as accurate as it's analysis, I suppose. Any theorists listen to this? What say you? Bill Talley Jon Alsbury wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_240000/240642.stm > > could this be the future of kraftwerk? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eugene Zaikonnikov" Subject: Re: (kw) the future of Kraftwerk? Date: 27 Dec 1998 13:44:11 +0200 >Jon, > All I have to say is damned.... What a fantastic program! I'm >impressed... but, I fear Mr. Pople is somewhat correct - this tastes >like decaf. It smells as good, but the taste! Ah, there's our main >division... And Ralph simply won't stand for decaf! In fact, didn't he >spend some time in the hospital due to his excessive indulgance with >caffine? It's still a beautiful idea, but the machine simply cannot >create the emotion or be "imaginative" enough to predict emotion... only >as accurate as it's analysis, I suppose. Any theorists listen to this? >What say you? > There were some studies at the USSR in mid-60's on computer generated music. A group of respondents was given twenty musical fragments, some made by humans, some by machine, without any tips on which music is computer generated. Both computer and human music was rated equally in average. Experiment was repeated, but they were told which tracks are machine generated. All computer music was rated as bad then. Typical responses: "I've noticed some machine klicking", "this music too cold and emotionless", etc. My humble opinion: *all* music obeying laws of harmony would carry some emotions. It's a property of music. Why can we excite looking at fractal landscapes, although it's just a couple of relatively simple math formulas? And what's wrong with music then? One guy (can't remember who) attached encephalograph to synthesizer and recorded the 'sounds' of sleeping human brain. That was a music too. But is it emotional or not? Who knows? Cheers, Eugene Zaikonnikov # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) I found R & F and Tone Float! Date: 27 Dec 1998 17:48:22 +0100 >1. Ralf and Florian: Top left says "Ralf"; top right says "Florian"; middle etc. ok, it's it. >2. Tone Float: Top from left to right says "KRAFTWERK ~ ORGANISATION". The this should be a bootleg. when there was Organization there was not Kraftwerk! are they cd or vinyl? which label are they? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) I found R & F and Tone Float! Date: 27 Dec 1998 11:25:29 EST In a message dated 98-12-27 10:02:39 EST, you write: > are they cd or vinyl? which label are they? Both are CDs. As far as labels, this is all that TONE FLOAT says: Produced and engineered by Conrad Plank and Organisation for Rainbow Productions. Nothing is written on the actual CD and nothing on the side of the jewel box's sleeve. R & F's label looks like this: actually not a label, but a catalogue number GERMANOFON-941023. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) I found R & F and Tone Float! Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:37:30 +0100 >Both are CDs. As far as labels, this is all that TONE FLOAT says: Produced so they are both boot. well, I don't have good memories about Tone Float, but a good K fan should hear it sooner or later. R&F instead, and the pictures, is really nice. is there a back cover pic with R&F and all their gear with eggbox cardbox on the wall? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: datafreq Subject: (kw) june 11 / 98 detroit show on double cd + bonus tracks... Date: 27 Dec 1998 12:11:12 -0500 hi all...santa brought me a cd burner for xmas, and i've transferred the mp3's from the detroit show on to my hard drive, and i've made a double cd of the show with bonus tracks; including the doephfer vocoder demos with florian, as well as some razormaid and dmc stuff...no fancy covers , as i'm not an artist, i'll leave that up to someone else :) the quality is ok, i didn't do any sound restoration, as my sound card isn't wonderful, just a direct audio rip to the burner, but it's definitely a keeper for anyone who was at that show... anyways, if anyone wants one, maybe we could trade boots from tg 97, other north american shows, or arrange some other kind of deal... dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "conny.annica" Subject: (kw) Odd websites Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:30:20 +0100 These two websites are interesting in different ways http://www.kraftwerkdd.com http://www.kraftwerkentertainment.com Regards Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) VIDEOS and bootlegs Date: 27 Dec 1998 18:46:40 -0200 Hi, all. Somebody wants VIDEOS or bootlegs of KRAFTWERK ?? I have six concerts on VHS (The Mix Tour, 91/92) and others concerts on CD-R for trade (swap or sale) (My short list): CDs "live" - Computers in Love Double CD/ Paris 1981 - Virtu ex Machina Japan 1981 - Live at Karlsruhe 1997 - Double CD, including three new songs, available on next album of Kraftwerk !!! - Live at Brighton 1975, old age of KW. VIDEOS Live at Milano (Italy), Shefield, Holland, Belgique... (These videos includes the same tracks, but, at different places, of course): Numbers, CW, Tour de France, Autobahn, TEE, Radioactivity... Write me, if interested. Thanks. Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 27 Dec 1998 13:21:44 PST I have finally found an mp3 maker that works, and I have launched a web site. The address is http://members.xoom.com/djcompute And currently there is one mp3 which is extremely kickass, so I hope that you'll all check it out. I have come up with this and other Kraftwerk mixes completely on my own, so any similarity to anything else you've heard somewhere else is completely unintentional. I haven't really checked out any Kraftwerk boots, but after you hear these mixes you'll begin to wonder why I'm not producing them. Also for Scott, I believe, and anyone else interested I will post Living on Video, by Trans-X sometime later today on the site. Best Regards, DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 27 Dec 1998 23:37:25 -0500 >I have finally found an mp3 maker that works, and I have launched a web >site. Does anyone have information on a program that plays MP3 files (for the IBM Compatables running Win 98) TIA Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Storey (Sossi)" Subject: (kw) Big day out-Kraftwerk???? Date: 28 Dec 1998 16:29:42 -0500 Hi all Sometime back there was talk that Kraftwerk where maybe to perform at a show called "The big day out" in Sydney Australia on the 26th Jan 99. Can anyone confirm if this is still to happen? Thanks Chris jmjarre@dynamite.com.au # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) the future of Kraftwerk? Date: 27 Dec 1998 22:51:43 -0800 Excellant point Eugene. What does define music? Is it the sound of jumbo-jets colliding and mating in mid-air? A human stem cell broken down into it's 4 most mallable cellforms, each one a movement of genetic code? I think that what I was affirming were the statements that Mr. Pople was making regarding all synthesized compositions in general to date - they are synthesized with little to no "inspiration". What defines a truely inspired piece? The computer can slap together a composition based on a set of parameters (the theories of musical composition) or by picking apart the subtleties of an existing body of work. This is music? Yes, I suppose it is. Musical? Well, it's a question of taste... Correctly designed? Again, the rules to Candyland are pretty simple - and a chimpanzee can learn the Dewey decimal system in a matter of hours... The assumption would be yes. Now, the BIG question is if this well designed, ear-pleasing piece is new and alive (so to speak). Wow, I'm no AI programmer and have little working knowledge of such topics. My inclination is to say no, because it's all based off of pre-existing material. Then again, the "masters" listen to their own music and have their own "style" too - they are machines of a soft, grey sort. The real question of emotion could be thrown to the wolves with "anything can be copied, even emotional response." This is the typical Disney score. Not what I was meaning. Convolution of thought, mimicry and modification, augementation on existing material. These are all properties that the masters suggest, and appears to be the similarity with the software. I suppose it's all based on the absolute quality of the changes then... Geeze, this is getting to a point where I need someone with actual working knowledge of music to appease our questions of quality. Anyone? Bill Talley Eugene Zaikonnikov wrote: > > >Jon, > > All I have to say is damned.... What a fantastic program! I'm > >impressed... but, I fear Mr. Pople is somewhat correct - this tastes > >like decaf. It smells as good, but the taste! Ah, there's our main > >division... And Ralph simply won't stand for decaf! In fact, didn't he > >spend some time in the hospital due to his excessive indulgance with > >caffine? It's still a beautiful idea, but the machine simply cannot > >create the emotion or be "imaginative" enough to predict emotion... only > >as accurate as it's analysis, I suppose. Any theorists listen to this? > >What say you? > > > > There were some studies at the USSR in mid-60's on computer generated music. > A group of respondents was given twenty musical fragments, some made by > humans, some by machine, without any tips on which music is computer > generated. Both computer and human music was rated equally in average. > Experiment was repeated, but they were told which tracks are machine > generated. All computer music was rated as bad then. Typical responses: > "I've noticed some machine klicking", "this music too cold and emotionless", > etc. > > My humble opinion: *all* music obeying laws of harmony would carry some > emotions. It's a property of music. Why can we excite looking at fractal > landscapes, although it's just a couple of relatively simple math formulas? > And what's wrong with music then? > > One guy (can't remember who) attached encephalograph to synthesizer and > recorded the 'sounds' of sleeping human brain. That was a music too. But is > it emotional or not? Who knows? > > Cheers, > Eugene Zaikonnikov # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLDubster@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) I found R & F and Tone Float! Date: 28 Dec 1998 03:54:11 EST In a message dated 98-12-27 11:41:55 EST, you write: > is there a back cover pic with R&F and all their > gear with eggbox cardbox on the wall? It has a picture of R & F with all their equipment. I don't know what "eggbox cardbox" is. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\ /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \/ | |3 E § C O T T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) COSMOS & KOMETENMELODIE Date: 28 Dec 1998 05:38:55 -0500 (EST) sorry, but i have to correct you. the piece DJ Compute is reffering to is Alpha by Vangelis, not Tomita. there is a Tomita piece on the Cosmos album, but it is later, towards the middle. it is called The Sea Named Solaris, and is actually based on J. S. Bach's Three Part Invention No. 2 in C minor, BWV 788 Ich ruf'zu dir, Jesu Christ, BWV 639. the Cosmos soundtrack only contains a three and a half minute excerpt from the original twelve and a half minute piece which can be found on Tomita's album called Kosmos (with a "K"). IMO, it is the best track Tomita has produced ever. according to Cosmos album notes, Alpha is only available on an RCA EP PC-5208 and was recorded in 1976. however, i also have it on a promo EP for the Cosmos album. interestingly enough, the subtitle for Alpha on the EP is "the comet theme", which is pretty close to Kometenmelodie. Tomita's Kosmos released in 1978 also on RCA Victor and was re-released on CD in 1991. hope this info is helpful. lenny g (William Talley) wrote: > >Aaron, > I'm pretty sure that's the Tomita piece. >Bill Talley > > >Aaron A. wrote: >> I've had this tape for many years, it is the soundtrack for Cosmos, Carl >> Sagan's old program. There's a song at the very beginning of the tape >> which kind of has the same feel as Kometenmelodie 2. >> DJ Compute # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lou Jean" Subject: (kw) Kling Klang remix Date: 28 Dec 1998 12:13:48 +0100 Hi werkers, Today, surfing the web I=B4ve found this MP3: Depeche Mode - World in my eyes (Kling Klang remix).mp3 from an album (bootleg?) called "Triump Der Lust"... Unfortunately I couldn=B4t download it. Any info about it? Besides, I=B4ve seen a 2CD bootleg labeled =93Kraftwerk Live in Mannheim = 1997 for Promotional Use Only=94 And with this german text: =93Ein absolutes Hoervergnuegen in groesstenteils bester Qualitaet. Das hier ist kein Walkman-Bootleg-Shit sondern von KlingKlang genehmigte Qualitaet=94. =93Promotional Use Only????????=94, Could be a =93official=94 Bootleg?, D= id Kraftwerk play in Mannheim last year????? 8-/ Happy New Year for all Kraftwerkian people in da world, Kling Klang peopl= e too... --- Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 28 Dec 1998 12:36:33 +0000 "Aaron A." wrote: > > I have finally found an mp3 maker that works, and I have launched a web > site. > > The address is http://members.xoom.com/djcompute > Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! I say round em all up and nuke the fuckers..... -- ciao, Jules Seifert - ICQ #7421804 The Kraftwerk IRC Channel:- http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christian Di Sante" Subject: (kw) Red vinyl + MTV Date: 28 Dec 1998 14:23:20 +0100 Hi all ! Did you have a good Xmas? Ok! -Does anybody of you if do exist two different prints of the red vinyl of TMM (France), original the first, reprinting the second? How much are those worthed? -Then, I'd like to know if it's possible everyone of us on this list could send any e-mail to MTV asking for a "Kraftwerk Special", with all their videos and, if existing, interviews. Do you think it's possible? If you believe this second point is a poll, ANSWER ME PRIVATELY, NOT ON LIST !!!!! Thank you all, Didi Milan - PDN robotnik@iol.it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: (kw) Musicians - sort-of off topic Date: 28 Dec 1998 08:47:46 -0500 I wanted to ask one of you who feels that "This artist is great because they work for the sake of their music" and "This one sucks because they do it for money"...I have a person in mind, tell me how you would define this: This man is a drummer, even more unusual in the fact that he can read music. He has put out three solo albums, all of which have failed miserably. Yet, he has played on well over 1500 records, hundreds of which have reached top 10. Some of the groups he has worked with: America The Captain & Tennile Albert Hammond Simon & Garfunkle The 5th Dimension John Denver The Carpenters The Partridge Family The Crystals The Beach Boys Herb Alpert Yet, this person is unknown for the most part. His only claim to fame has been having his name in the credits on the records (and not all of them even acknowledge "studio musicians" - but some do). He has been able to make a living this way, doing what he loves to do, but over 99% of people will never know him. I found him by reading credits on albums, and finding his name again and again. I have accumulated several of the albums he is on, as well as one of his solo albums. I feel that as far as drummers go, he is absolutely top-notch. Yet, almost nobody has ever heard of him. So...would this guy be a true artist in your standards, making music without ever really achieving stardom? Or simply a whore of the music industry, because he does it to make money? Huggy Bear # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rossbach@esvmedien.de (Herr Rossbach) Subject: AW: (kw) Musicians - sort-of off topic Date: 28 Dec 1998 15:53:13 +0100 interesting question. some thoughts about it: what would have happened to kraftwerk if they failed to succeed with = autobahn in 74? just another excentric experimental group from germany = like others who didn't made it big international like neu, cluster, = harmonia but were as good? what happened to a man like klaus dinger (a = drummer!) who in my eyes influenced not only kraftwerk but also bowie, = eno not to mention house and techno music and is still widely unknown. = he is one of the few artists today who don't give a fuck about sales = figures and follow his vision for which i admire him. others that come = to my mind are peter hammill, roy harper, captain beefheart, ian hunter, = richard thompson and robert wyatt.=20 it's sad to believe that kraftwerk have maybe grown to big (in the = eighties) that we will never get the new album that we all would like to = hear. they have to do the impossible. everybody is expecting so much and = they already failed with "the mix", which was weak by todays standards. = i think kraftwerk do still work for the sake of their music but they = wouldn't have another choice. sorry huggy bear. i guess thats not what you originally wanted to = discuss but thats what came to my mind. juergen I wanted to ask one of you who feels that "This artist is great because = they work for the sake of their music" and "This one sucks because they = do=20 it for money"...I have a person in mind, tell me how you would define = this: This man is a drummer, even more unusual in the fact that he can read=20 music. He has put out three solo albums, all of which have failed=20 miserably. Yet, he has played on well over 1500 records, hundreds of = which=20 have reached top 10. Some of the groups he has worked with: America The Captain & Tennile Albert Hammond Simon & Garfunkle The 5th Dimension John Denver The Carpenters The Partridge Family The Crystals The Beach Boys Herb Alpert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) Kling Klang remix Date: 28 Dec 1998 07:46:00 -0500 ---------- Sent: Sunday, 28 December, 1997 06:13 "Promotional Use Only????????", Could be a "official" Bootleg?, Did "Official Bootleg"? That sounds like an oxymoron to me... that COULD be a ploy to keep it out of normal distribution chanels, C.Y.O.A. and all that... Huggy Bear np: Herbie Hancock - Autodrive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fischer, Hans-Peter" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang remix Date: 28 Dec 1998 16:59:13 +0100 Lou Jean wrote: > Hi werkers, >=20 > Today, surfing the web I=B4ve found this MP3: >=20 > Depeche Mode - World in my eyes (Kling Klang remix).mp3 > from an album (bootleg?) called "Triump Der Lust"... >=20 > Unfortunately I couldn=B4t download it. Any info about it? >=20 Haven=B4t heard of a bootleg like this (guess it=B4s "Triumph der = Lust"), nothing official for sure. How about posting the URL? > Besides, I=B4ve seen a 2CD bootleg labeled "Kraftwerk Live in = Mannheim 1997 > for Promotional Use Only" >=20 > And with this german text: >=20 > "Ein absolutes Hoervergnuegen in groesstenteils bester Qualitaet. > Das hier ist kein Walkman-Bootleg-Shit sondern von KlingKlang > genehmigte Qualitaet". >=20 Does not sound very official or professional. Have you listened to it? = Try to check the quality... Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) VIDEOS and bootlegs Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:50:33 +0100 >Colatina Radio Som Ltda wrote: >- Live at Karlsruhe 1997 - Double CD, including three new songs, available on next album > of Kraftwerk !!! You can't be sure of that! At this point in time we only know that KW perhaps will release a record next year - nothing else. /Joakim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 47 <47@radiolink.net> Subject: Re: (kw) Red vinyl + MTV Date: 28 Dec 1998 12:08:30 -0500 (EST) Didi wrote: >-Then, I'd like to know if it's possible everyone of us on this list could send any e-mail to MTV asking for a "Kraftwerk Special", >with all their videos and, if existing, interviews. >Do you think it's possible? i'd make my first born available to my worst enemy before i let EMPTY-VEE touch Kraftwerk! lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Young Subject: (kw) Tongebirge Date: 28 Dec 1998 10:27:18 -0800 (PST) I would submit that a better translation for Tongebirge would be "Mountain Range of Sound," not "...of Tone"--one of those cases where the English and German words are so similar (tone and Ton) that one assumes that they are the best translation for each other. Jeff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Stann" Subject: Re: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 28 Dec 1998 15:21:26 -0600 >">Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! > >I say round em all up and nuke the fuckers..... > > >ciao, > > >----------------------------------------- >Jules Seifert - ICQ #7421804 Gee, that certainly was NOT very nice! With virtually no new material from Kraftwerk, I really do enjoy the cover songs and remixes. It keeps my interest in KW current. I still prefer the originals, but mixes are nice! Chris A retired DJ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 28 Dec 1998 15:03:49 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Jules Seifert wrote: > "Aaron A." wrote: > > I have finally found an mp3 maker that works, and I have launched a web > > site. > > The address is http://members.xoom.com/djcompute > Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! > I say round em all up and nuke the fuckers..... Oh goody, another KW remixer! I just wish I could find some music on his site. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtalley@corp.home.net (William Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) COSMOS & KOMETENMELODIE Date: 28 Dec 1998 15:41:02 -0800 Thanks for the info! I've got it on LP somewhere... Is it available on CD? I'm considering pressing it myself - it used to be one of my favorite albums - or were there two? Hmmm... Now you've gone and done it! Bill Talley 47 wrote: > > sorry, but i have to correct you. the piece DJ Compute is reffering to is > Alpha by Vangelis, not Tomita. there is a Tomita piece on the Cosmos album, > but it is later, towards the middle. it is called The Sea Named Solaris, > and is actually based on J. S. Bach's Three Part Invention No. 2 in C minor, > BWV 788 Ich ruf'zu dir, Jesu Christ, BWV 639. the Cosmos soundtrack only > contains a three and a half minute excerpt from the original twelve and a > half minute piece which can be found on Tomita's album called Kosmos (with a > "K"). IMO, it is the best track Tomita has produced ever. according to > Cosmos album notes, Alpha is only available on an RCA EP PC-5208 and was > recorded in 1976. however, i also have it on a promo EP for the Cosmos > album. interestingly enough, the subtitle for Alpha on the EP is "the comet > theme", which is pretty close to Kometenmelodie. Tomita's Kosmos released > in 1978 also on RCA Victor and was re-released on CD in 1991. > > hope this info is helpful. > > lenny g # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lou Jean" Subject: RE: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:50:24 +0100 Hi all, > > > I have finally found an mp3 maker that works, and I have > launched a web > > > site. > > > The address is http://members.xoom.com/djcompute > > > Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! > > I say round em all up and nuke the fuckers..... > > Oh goody, another KW remixer! > I just wish I could find some music on his site. Hey boys, don't be cruel with DJ Compute. I'm sure he makes their remixes with all his love to Kraftwerk. Over there in the music market, there are a lot of music, covers and remixes making without love, only for MONEY. Music done with great sound studios and many production. I'm sure DJC has less resources. DJ Compute, don't get discouraged... I like your remix ;-) Lou. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lou Jean" Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang remix Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:57:08 +0100 First, thanx to Klaus Zaepke for his information. For all the people that have asked me about url of Depeche Mode - World in my eyes (Kling Klang remix).mp3 It=B4s ftp://mp3:mp3@130.91.223.161 but unfortunately I think this site i= s dead. I was uploading for get my credits (it was a ratio site) when FTP goes down :-( May be the server go up again, I don=B4t know. Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "angelo" Subject: (kw) Hall of Mirrors and Somes mp3 Files??? Date: 28 Dec 1998 22:26:42 -0200 Do sombody will can give me one information? I would like know if is there on the Internet mp3 files in german version from the musics: The hall of Mirrors. Computer Love,The Robots and Home Computer (The Mix Version). The last three musics i desire also in the original version in german language if is there!=20 I thank from the information!!! Miguel Angelo C. Pra=E7a angelo@urbi.com.br http://www.urbi.com.br/users/angelo ICQ - 11606126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EJRSemiGod@aol.com Subject: (kw) Attention DJ Compute (Off topic!) Date: 28 Dec 1998 20:07:39 EST I really love the remix ya did! Cool stuff! Don't let anyone give ya shit about it =) drake # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 29 Dec 1998 02:31:21 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Lou Jean wrote: > > > > The address is http://members.xoom.com/djcompute > > > Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! > > > I say round em all up and nuke the fuckers..... > > Oh goody, another KW remixer! > > I just wish I could find some music on his site. > > Hey boys, don't be cruel with DJ Compute. I'm sure he makes > their remixes with all his love to Kraftwerk. I wasn't being cruel. I just couldn't find the file. But I found it today - I just had to dig through the page HTML source a little deeper. Damn frames. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) CD lost... Date: 29 Dec 1998 13:43:56 -0200 Hi, all. I have problems with air mail. Four weeks ago, I send the Tribal Gathering CD to Kraftwerker, but, the pack return to me. Now, I dont know who do not received the CD. (The office mail lost the address) Its you ?? (David, or John, or...) Please, write me. Eduardo Monteiro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JMJ Fanklubb Norge" Subject: (kw) Robot voices Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:44:17 +0100 Hello all, I'd like to know which soft- and/or hardware KW is/was using to make the = robot voices on The Mix. And, if there are any shareware available that would make similar voices = as wav-files. BTW, this weekend I was driving 1600 kilometers with my new car, and The = Mix proved to be the best music for driving on dull highways. Highly = recommended! Jarre forever! (and Kraftwerk) Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanklubb Norge att. Glenn Folkvord, Lundgard, 2032 Maura (Norway) Email glenn@jmjfkn.com Go to www.jmjfkn.com Since 1993 Publisher of IMAGES magazine Organiser of the international JMJ tribute album =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: RE: (kw) Kling Klang remix Date: 29 Dec 1998 09:00:54 PST >> Depeche Mode - World in my eyes (Kling Klang remix).mp3 Maybe it's some f*cker like me who likes to remix stuff, and just named it that because it has some KW samples. Nevermind trying to find the mp3, better just go nuke the f*cker!! DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron A." Subject: (kw) More DJ Compute Date: 29 Dec 1998 16:36:06 PST Slowly but surely things are starting to take shape. A new mix has been placed on the site of "I touch Roses" and Boing Boom Tschak the site's URL once again is: http://members.xoom.com/djcompute For those of you who are frames challenged or just plain lazy you can access the new file directly at: http://members.xoom.com/djcompute/mp3/bbt-roses-djc.zip You need winzip to unzip the file. Also this link is not on the site, but please check out this song called "Dustpan". It's kind of Kraftwerky but more of a spoof in fact. You'll really hate it or find it amusing at least http://207.236.110.69/realvideo/dustpan.ram It's a real audio file. Let me know what you all think. We need a good discussion here, I'm just dropping the bait. Dustpan! Best wishes to all, DJ Compute ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Dobiesz Subject: FW: (kw) DJ Compute has arrived!! Date: 30 Dec 1998 02:11:02 -0500 >">Oh brother, another bloody KW remixer! >I say round em all up and nuke the f***ers..... This group just keeps geting stranger and stranger... Oh, wait a minute - it's *ME* that's getting stranger. Huggy Bear np: Strawberry Alarm Clock - Incense & Peppermints (1967) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) More DJ Compute Date: 30 Dec 1998 00:55:53 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Aaron A. wrote: > For those of you who are frames challenged or just plain lazy you can > access the new file directly at: > > http://members.xoom.com/djcompute/mp3/bbt-roses-djc.zip Thanks. :) > You need winzip to unzip the file. Regular unzip and pkunzip work too. > Also this link is not on the site, but please check out this song called > "Dustpan". It's kind of Kraftwerky but more of a spoof in fact. You'll > really hate it or find it amusing at least > http://207.236.110.69/realvideo/dustpan.ram > It's a real audio file. Let me know what you all think. We need a good > discussion here, I'm just dropping the bait. Dustpan! I don't get it. I listened to the thing. I can't see any KW relevancy at all. If it's supposed to be a spoof, it falls flat. As a work of its own, I'd give it some credit if it wasn't just the same thing looped 5 or 6 times. :) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Subject: (kw) 1999 !!!!! Date: 30 Dec 1998 14:44:42 -0200 Hi, Kraftwerkers around the world ! HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!! (if possible, with NEW record of KRAFTWERK !!!!!!!!!) EDUARDO MONTEIRO from BRASIL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Guten Rutsch! Date: 30 Dec 1998 19:13:02 EST Ich w=FCnsche allen Kraftwerk-Fans, sowie der "Besatzung" der Raumpatrouil= le "Kling Klang Studio" einen guten Rustch ins neue Jahr und ein frohes 1999! Happy New Year! (maybe there will be a new album next year, HAHAHAHA!) :) Karl - please publish something nice next year! Wolfgang - keep up the good work! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D halb wesen und halb (ueber)ding # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Priscila Morsoletto" Subject: (kw) Happy 1999!!!!!!! Date: 31 Dec 1998 01:59:48 -0200 Hi everybody! I'm here to wish to everybody here a happy new year!!!!!!!! :-) Oh Kraftwerk please, make a new album to kick every brazillian idiot journalist ass!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! Let's believe in 1999, Kraftwerk will not leave us alone! :-) Happy 1999 again!!!!!!! :-) Priscila Morsoletto. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: RE: (kw) R&F Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:04:15 +0100 On the backside of the sleeve of R&F (Vertigo, VEL-2006): Elektrisches Roulette = Electric roulette Tongebirge = Mountain of sound Kristallo = Crystals Heimatklange = The bells of home Tanzmusik = Dance music Ananas Symphonie = Pineapple symphony There is no source for the translation (R&F, record company, ...?) Regards and one year for KW to deliver a CD (before all their computers crash). Or it will be a Kraftwerk unplugged. Erik Barth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Oehler" Subject: (kw) Re: kling-klang mix Date: 31 Dec 1998 13:26:08 -0600 >Today, surfing the web I=B4ve found this MP3: > >Depeche Mode - World in my eyes (Kling Klang remix).mp3 >from an album (bootleg?) called "Triump Der Lust"... > >Unfortunately I couldn=B4t download it. Any info about it? > It's been called the "Klingklang mix" or the "kraftwerk mix" on a number of bootlegs, but it isn't by kw, nor was it ever. It's actually a dance mix by the Razormaid remix service, the "Razormaid! mix" of WIME. It samples the percussion form "Numbers", hence bootleggers are eager to pawn it off as a "rare kw mix." ---- Eric Oehler wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko That's as may be, it's still a frog. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/