From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #158 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 158 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:52:50 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) K black jackets what material are the jackets that K wore in recent concerts made of? leather? acetate like jogging suits? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:49:55 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Bussy's book, Florian, Schult there is a passage of the wonderful report of J. Grote I'd like some explanations about. it's when Florian talks about Bussy's book and who gived informations: >and said, verbatim, "no, the other one - - the artist..." i said 'emil >schult?', and he said "yes, that's the one, the artist. he talked and now >he is very sorry that he did it." as if florian couldn't remember emil >schult's name!! he seemed to be acting petulant and wouldn't utter >schult's name... do you mean that Florian was so angry with Schult that he even does not wish to pronounce the name? it's because he talked with Bussy or for other matters? for instance, somebody told me that until The Mix they were good friends, but then something happened (the book?) and while Schult had prepared all the artwork for The Mix, R&F discarded it and adopted their own, putted up in a hurry. Schult is now sorry because R&F get angry with him? Schult leaved K in a bitter way, *then* talked with Bussy? or they are just good friend and Schult did not know what could have happened? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:37:29 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Chronology At 02.51 23/06/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-06-23 02:30:11 EDT, lbo@iol.it writes: > ><< it happened: Rolling Stones covered Devo. >> > >Hm.. Maybe this could be a typo, maybe not.. Hell, maybe you're just joking >around... > >What song are you referring to? > >If it's "Satisfaction," I'm sorry to inform any parties that this song was >covered by Devo, not written by them.. of course I refer to Satisfaction. Devo played Satisfaction in 70something and Rolling Stones covered it in 60something. and I'm not joking: this is part of the devolutionary theory of Devo. that is to say, it's (they are?) Devo the ones that were joking... it was a sort of citation, maybe hardcore fans of Devo will remember it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:08:16 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Electropolis, new album title? I have a stack of several hundred of messages still to read, I am just arrived to the major event of jbv leaving the list (just can't be true... he will come back after 12 years with a digest of his old messages...), so I don't know if this speculation already arrived to you. anyway, yesterday I had dinner with a friend of mine who was just back from Barcelona, and he told me about rumours of the new album to be called "Electropolis". this guy is not known to be 100% reliable, even if in good faith (Klaus, you know who he is). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:19:28 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) influence is just a word I see too much litigiousnes about the "influence" K may have or have not had on other bands and on the pop music in general. but what does it mean, influence? that you listen to K and say "wow, I'm going to make electronic music not so minimal with vocoder"? K are interesting and unique, and I think that this is not just an opinion of mine, but a fact that can be demonstrated. so everyone that has a minimum of sensibility and knowledge of the pop music world should know them, and of course should remember them and their uniqueness (for instance, take new brit pop: I can't figure who's Oasis or who's Blur...). so i't easy that if you ask to someone who has choosen to be a musician (and so is sensible and exposed) he will remember, in good or bad way, of K. will this be an influence? if I had to say mine, I'll say K, Alan Vega+Martin Rev, Ramones, Killing Joke. oh, and Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Sisters of Mercy. and many many other. but if I'm going to play I don't think I'll play like them. I liked them. maybe I decided to become an artist after listening to SoM, but this does not mean I'll be a goth musician. and forget even that, say, David Bowie take an electronic bend after knowing K. this is not a matter of knowing a group, is a matter of the taste of the time. it's the mood of the current time that make a group more or less "visible". es, maybe the group could contribute to the mood, and so the loop will close, but it take long. so, nobody influenced nobody else, everybody just remember outstanding artists, ok? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:32:55 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Dialect from el Periodico >Catalan is the first official language of Catalonia (being spanish also oooh, at last what we really need, some geopolitical flame... listen fellow, if you really wish my opinion, I'll sympathize more with your nationalistic trip if you explain it in a quieter way. I don't think that in an international forum like this there is the need to speculate on what is spanish and what catalunian, and you must admit, half of the world know spanish, a very few catalunian, catalunian look very like spanish to foreigners, so there is nothing wrong to abbreviate things and calling catalunian a sort of spanish language. o would you mind if I call it a latin one? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:11:17 +0400 From: Valery Kondakoff Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Russian Hi! You are right that there was not easy at all to find any KW records in Russia during before 1987-88... :( I remember there were lists of groups that were prohibited (verboten) by sovjet government (KW always were in these lists, the government called them a "nazi-group" because they were singing a couple of words in German language!) - so listening to this kind of music was a kind of crime!.. So - I don't think KW really were planning to reach Russian audience... Most likely they were (are) impressed of russian experimental cultural influence during 1910-1930: Kandinsky, Malevich, Rodchenko, Theremin... The cover of Man-Machine was inspired be El Lissitsky - well known russian artist and designer... BTW - the word "robot" was contrived by Czech writer Karel Chapek in one of his plays... Of course words "to work" and "work" sounds similar in Czech and Russian languages. Best regards, Valery Kondakoff mailto:strauss@orc.ru http://www.nbk.orc.ru -- Moscow Rock-Club "Nå Áåé Êîïûòîì" Homepage P.S. -Excuse me, pls, for my ugly english! ïÿòíèöà, 26 Èþíü 98, you wrote to me: BMoMA> Kraftwerk has various Russian words in their songs, like 1,2,3 in BMoMA> Numbers and the various Russian phrases in the Robots. Are there any KW BMoMA> fans in Russia? It would seem that a typical Russian wouldn't have easy BMoMA> access to KW around 1970-80 and not discover them now anyway. Of course BMoMA> Germany isn't that far from Russia, but does anyone have insight on the BMoMA> Russian connection besides trying to be international? They have BMoMA> Cyrillic characters on the Man-Machine cover. Were they planning on BMoMA> selling it in Russia and reaching a Russian audience, or just give the BMoMA> impression that they are in the past looking forward? BMoMA> The inclusion of Russian in "The Robots" may come from the fact that "to BMoMA> work" means "ra-BOT-yeh" in Russian. Also probably a lot of work in BMoMA> robotics was done by Russians. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. D." Subject: RE: (kw) L.A. concert review (June '98). Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Roger - I just looked and do not find it. I think the "..." > > means there is more to the URL? Could you look at the site again > > and see if you can find it? Thanks! -Keith J. You are right, my browser doesn't give me the full URL of the page of the actual review, but seems to give me the complete URL of this one: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/performance/text/default.asp THEN click on "Concert Reviews" THEN click on "Kraftwerk". Sorry about the _3 steps_ process... == Roger. rd411@yahoo.com Regor@webtv.net _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:14:31 EDT From: Subject: Re: Re: (kw) Le Pet Sounds In a message dated 6/23/1998 12:21:30 PM, you wrote: << blimey, that's really got me going now, i have a friend called Petra.... should i look at her in a new light? Jules >> Perhaps. Just don't light her. HA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:07:27 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Lynch mob mentality eh? (WAY OFF TOPIC-DELETEME) I wonder if humans will ever stop discussing who's right and who's wrong. There is nothing wrong with this (in fact, this is what makes the world go round :), unless you keep discussing your opinions. Take this into consideration... And a side note...Stop wasting your time talking about "higher intelects" because we all know that I am the supreme intellect ;) H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:25:40 -0700 From: Fred Becker Subject: Re: (kw) I MISS ROBOT At 11:02 PM 6/25/98 +0200, Emanuel Mair wrote: >It means "touching" (probably quite sarcastic in this case, and >rightfully so IMHO)... And why is sarcasm appropriate in this case? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 05:33:19 +0200 From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) live music On 26-Jun-98 A.D., lbo carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) live music": > well, imagine spending your days sitting in a museum... as an > attraction, and having people watching at you and taking pictures... Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen. - -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:22:32 +0200 From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) so what? On 26-Jun-98 A.D., Fred Becker carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) I MISS ROBOT": > At 11:02 PM 6/25/98 +0200, Emanuel Mair wrote: > >> It means "touching" (probably quite sarcastic in this case, and >> rightfully so IMHO)... > > And why is sarcasm appropriate in this case? I'm not even sure if it was sarcasm from the original poster's side - I really think it was, as a listmember left because she was ignored by Florian Schneider... or something... so what? A (small) storm breaks out on the list! If anybody would like to cheer her up, then write her! Sheesh. Also, I didn't say sarcasm IS appropriate here, it IS only so In My Very Personal Humble Opinion, oh well OK then, I'm always right... I'll not go on since I'll probably be picking on certain (former or present) listmembers personally in that case. (BTW, Fred and some others, I get your messages from the list, it's not necessary to cc them to me personally as well.) Did I mention that I and nobody else is the superior intelligence on this list? So there. Misanthropically at 8:22 am after staying up all night, - -- E m a n u e l M a i r ________________________________________ e@mair.com mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:43:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) so what? On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Emanuel Mair wrote: > Did I mention that I and nobody else is the superior intelligence on this > list? So there. Actually, it's me. I usually don't bother pointing it out because it's so obvious. ;) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:00:07 -0700 From: Fred Becker Subject: Re: (kw) so what?/I MISS ROBOT Thank you Emanuel for explaining what you meant. I forgive you (if you need it). ROBOT is in REAL TROUBLE. I guess you all don't know that or believe that. She has given up on life. It is not just about Kraftwerk, but that happening with Florian hurt too, she says. Maybe it is wrong to bring such a personal plea to the list. I think it is right. You all may judge. If not to the list, then I ask you and all the list to please email POSITIVES to Robot: "ROBOT" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:07:35 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Russian I think it's just that the whole concept is constructivist (Lissitsky). This is borne out by the sleeve which - I believe - in KW's case always to be an integral part of the concept rather than a simply a billboard for the album. Perhaps EC is the only exception. I listened to MM for the first time in AGES last night (mind slightly altered) and was amazed to find so many layers of sound effects and rhythm tracks on The Robots. Does anyone have any opinions on "KW and the use of [what I call:] recreational substances" ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:31:38 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) K black jackets lbo wrote: > what material are the jackets that K wore in recent concerts made of? > leather? acetate like jogging suits? Leather, very nice too. But F.Hilpert said they get very hot under the lights in PC which is why they have to change. .....:-) Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:48:45 +0200 From: "Svensson, Joakim" Subject: RE: (kw) ROSKILDE! Back again Back from a most excellent gig at Roskilde. I'll write a review and post it during this weekend. /Joakim PS. A friend of mine spoke with Ralf during the sound-checks and - of course - asked about the new album. Ralf answered that the record is completed! Nothing about an official release date, but at least another hint of what's around the corner... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:42:28 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: (kw) Tour Tapes Here we go..... I have excellent quality digital recordings of the 02/06 and 03/06 Kraftwerk shows at Akasaka Blitz in Tokyo. I will trade these for any recording copies of the US shows: San Francisco Los Angeles Chicago Detriot New York Please contact me privatly. I will not accept any cash offers. I am not interested in selling bootlegs. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:33:40 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: (kw) LE QUOTIDIEN ¡Hola! Does anybody know where to find a traslator "motor" to understand the Liberation LE QUOTIDIEN review about Sonar Festival? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:33:30 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Garc=EDa_Aparicio?=" Subject: RE: (kw) the point for this tour? > Whats the point of this tour? > > I can only think of two main reasons: > > -to make money. Certainly the back catalogue will be increasing its > sales these days > > -to see if there's still interest in them, and decide wether to do a > new album, etc. > > If they go for a new album, I'd prefer they do a decent Mix 2 rather > than an album of new songs that are quite run-of-the-mill. > > > Jose Garcia > Another reason would be they enjoy touring. And they haven't made the promised gig through USA in 1991. And, maybe, they feel like playing in the more important festival of electronic music all over the world, Sonar. Respect the new material, I disagree, I think the new songs are very good and prove and "introduce KW in modern times" given a lesson of contemporary history. Automat und Telespiel DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:52:27 PDT From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Fwd: (kw) Mini Calculateur >as an early weekend treat, you lucky guys and gals can hear the >french language version of Pocket Calculator (Mini Calculateur) in >wonderful realaudio here: > >http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~cxazalsburj/kw/minicalculateur.ra > Does anyone know where the song is available? It seems this link doesn't exist anymore (I get this message): <<-ERROR-(404): no such file or directory Requested method: GET Requested URL: /~cxazalsburj/kw/minicalculateur.ra HTTP protocol: HTTP/1.0>> Thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:11:11 -0400 From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: Re: (kw) Electropolis, new album title? I saw this same thing months ago. I read (somewhere???) on the Internet that the new album is to be called "Elektropolis". But..... you all know the deal by now with KW, the cd could be named "Poop Salad", you just never know. Of course, it's probably a safe bet "Poop Salad" is *not* one of R&F's choices... but you get the point. Norm =) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: (kw) Electropolis, new album title? Author: lbo at wrsmtp-ccmail Date: 6/26/98 1:08 AM I have a stack of several hundred of messages still to read, I am just arrived to the major event of jbv leaving the list (just can't be true... he will come back after 12 years with a digest of his old messages...), so I don't know if this speculation already arrived to you. anyway, yesterday I had dinner with a friend of mine who was just back from Barcelona, and he told me about rumours of the new album to be called "Electropolis". this guy is not known to be 100% reliable, even if in good faith (Klaus, you know who he is). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:32:36 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Tour Tapes On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:42:28 +1000 Adam Read writes: > >Here we go..... > >I have excellent quality digital recordings of the 02/06 and 03/06 >Kraftwerk >shows at Akasaka Blitz in Tokyo. > >I will trade these for any recording copies of the US shows: > > San Francisco > Los Angeles > Chicago > Detriot > New York > yo...ur server blows me off...i got nyc... tom w _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:55:52 MET From: "cgc" Subject: (kw) electropolis http://www.hrnet.fr/~Electropolis/ hmmm...? who knows ? we will see as time goes by... Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity the FluX of ideas the f l o w of notes... now and forever with pictures and words # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:51:51 -0500 From: "Bella 'Metal on Metal' Abzug" Subject: Re: (kw) so what?/I MISS ROBOT Fred Becker wrote: > > She has given up on life. It is not just about Kraftwerk, > but that happening with Florian hurt too, she says. Maybe it is wrong to > bring such a personal plea to the list. I think it is right. You all may > judge. If not to the list, then I ask you and all the list to please email > POSITIVES to Robot: > > "ROBOT" She doesn't want to receive 100+ messages per day in her email box so she's actively posting to alt.music.kraftwerk The email list is OK when you only have less than 10 messages/day. I suggest we all just make the switch over to alt.music.kraftwerk even though it's not available on all my servers and use it through DejaNews, because if it gets more traffic, it will probably show up on other servers. It had 22 new messages in the last week or two, a big increase from before June. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:25:29 -0700 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: (kw) This is which mailing list? I thought this was the Kraftwerk mailing list, yet for some reason it seems full of fawning messages about one "ROBOT." I've been on this list for a few months and like to have it as a resource for news and discussion of Kraftwerk and related topics. I've seen messages posted by someone who inexplicably called herself ROBOT (and capitalized it too...), and they made no particular impression on me. Why are you all having this reaction? I wish everyone receiving and contributing to this list well, but I think it's unnecessary to post so many sycophantic messages about a list contributor just because, I'm not exactly sure what it was, she felt wronged by someone on the list or some 50-year-old Duesseldorf musician didn't hit on her. So, "ROBOT," either return or don't return, but could we please discuss Kraftwerk instead? - --- Jeff "Carpe carpet--seize the carpet." Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:30:43 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and Russian > You are right that there was not easy at all to find any KW records in > Russia during before 1987-88... :( I remember there were lists of groups that > were prohibited (verboten) by sovjet government (KW always were in > these lists, the government called them a "nazi-group" because they > were singing a couple of words in German language!) - so listening to this > kind of music was a kind of crime!.. Verboten? you're a bit hard. The first time I heard Kraftwerk's music was when I lived in the USSR in early 80ies. I was very young but I clearly remember as I was already impressed by the music. Unfortunately I didn't know it was Kraftwerk because their music (as well as Jean-Michel Jarre's, Tangerine Dream or french band "Space") was often used for background music of documentary films (of course on sci-tech subjects). It's true that Kraftwerk itself wasn't known at all and their records weren't available, but it was the case for almost any western band. I think it was due to economical and not political complications. So I perfectly knew the tunes of "The Robots", "Space Lab", "Man-Machine" without knowing neither the titles nor the author... > So - I don't think KW really were planning to reach Russian > audience... Yes, I don't think so. However I think they could reach. "Space" that I quoted above were really well known in the USSR... yet it's true they didn't sing in german :-) Anyway Kraftwerk's concept were most likely to reflect the modern society and its history in their art, not to interfere with it. If Kraftwerk wanted to play in the USSR the mediatic impact would be unavoidable and they would be considered as directly involved in politics. I'm not sure KW wanted it to be so. Tim /Chelovek Maschina - -- Timour JGENTI |___________________________________ _______________| mailto:timour.jgenti@ifp.fr _______________| http://www.mygale.org/~timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:30:52 +0200 From: Volker Glave Subject: Re: (kw) Bartos & Flür '98 I'm subscribed to to this (german) magazine and have to say I find it's cover most misleading. If I remember the headline correct (I do not have it here at my office) it is "Kraftwerk Connection", Bartos and Flür are mentioned in separate lines. The simple minded reader might expect a KW interview, kindly enriched with some little former KW member interview material, don't you think? Well, you will only get the latter! (Yeah, we *here* do not judge by such a cover, that's for sure ... :-)) I find the Bartos and Flür interviews not *that* much interesting. But ok, "better than nothing", that's right. Bartos states he plays acustic guitar on "Electric Music" using some sophisticated sampling technique blah blah blah (do I remember right?). Hey, when I'm into guitar listening mood the player gets filled with Lee Ritenour, Charlie Byrd, Joe Henderson, ... But I'm willing to learn, so if at least one list member knows and likes "E. M.", please let me know ... By the way, it is not the first time "Keyboards" is doing that kind of "doing-as-if" (hm, know what I mean?) magazine opener concerning KW. Some year/month ago, it was quite the same (don't ask the exact issue: on changing my app. in february I have thrown them *all* away ...). One last word on "Keyboards" and KW. In the back time and this time again there is always a certain sound of derogatoriness [have to used my dictionary here :-)] when dealing with KW in their articles, I find. Always just a bit and very subliminal. I really hate that. To be fair, not always but to speak of the majority of the editorial staff. Must be the same guys that are going "Oh that wonderful, brilliant Tori Amos. Look, how she plays the piano. Oh what fine songs. I want to have children with her" over and over again. :-) Volker Glave Georg Jajus wrote: > The July edition of the magazine "Keyboards" features some 1978 robots > on it's cover and two b i g interviews (with additional photos) > with Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flür inside. They talk about Kraftwerk > and their past as well as about their present projects, "Electric > Music" and "Yamo". Really usefull & essential. Buy it! > > Gruesse aus Wien (nachts), > Georgie > > -- > |__ "In Wien sitzen wir im Nachtcafe, Direktverbindung TEE..." > | * Georg Jajus, Vienna, Austria > | * http://unet.univie.ac.at/~a9401326/ > |_________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:15:09 EDT From: Subject: Re: (kw) This is which mailing list? In a message dated 98-06-26 12:30:40 EDT, j-m-y@mailexcite.com writes: << I thought this was the Kraftwerk mailing list, yet for some reason it seems full of fawning messages about one "ROBOT." I've been on this list for a few months and like to have it as a resource for news and discussion of Kraftwerk and related topics. I've seen messages posted by someone who inexplicably called herself ROBOT (and capitalized it too...), and they made no particular impression on me. Why are you all having this reaction? I wish everyone receiving and contributing to this list well, but I think it's unnecessary to post so many sycophantic messages about a list contributor just because, I'm not exactly sure what it was, she felt wronged by someone on the list or some 50-year-old Duesseldorf musician didn't hit on her. So, "ROBOT," either return or don't return, but could we please discuss Kraftwerk instead? >> HERE, HERE....I AM WITH JEFF 100% !! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:50:24 +0100 (BST) From: David Davis Subject: (kw) RAPLH REFERNENCES Greetings, my 'werkers. It's been about two years since I was last on this list. And bloody hell, I've already received about 100 posts in 10 minutes! It was never this hot it 1996! I wonder, please can anyone help me with this query: I remember reading an interview with Ralph (or was it Florian?) where the reviewer said: "What is your favourite instrument?" And he replied "The Human Voice!" Can anyone give me an accurate reference for this interview? (Magazine Name, Issue Number, Date of Publication... even the page number if you can manage!)... I need it for my Master's Dissertation. Many thanks in advance, DAVE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:21:37 +0200 From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: RE: (kw) ROSKILDE! Back again >PS. A friend of mine spoke with Ralf during the sound-checks and - of >course - asked about the new album. Ralf answered that the record is >completed! Nothing about an official release date, but at least another >hint of what's around the corner... > That's a gooood NEW !!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:31:14 +0200 From: tweckert Subject: Re: (kw) RAPLH REFERNENCES David Davis wrote: > Greetings, my 'werkers. > It's been about two years since I was last on this list. > And bloody hell, I've already received about 100 posts in 10 minutes! > It was never this hot it 1996! > > I wonder, please can anyone help me with this query: > > I remember reading an interview with Ralph (or was it Florian?) where = the > reviewer said: > "What is your favourite instrument?" > > And he replied "The Human Voice!" > > Can anyone give me an accurate reference for this interview? > (Magazine Name, Issue Number, Date of Publication... even the page numb= er > if you can manage!)... > > I need it for my Master's Dissertation. > > Many thanks in advance, > DAVE However, the question was a bit different... It was printed in "Prinz", a local magazine in D=FCsseldorf, in the augus= t (1991) issue, titled "Five Questions To Kraftwerk" by Michael Reinboth: ?: Why were the Kraftwerk-mixes released right now? H=FCtter: Because we were now finished with it. You do have to see the wo= rd mix as a form or process, as an update. The music is re-made. "The Mix" is a live album. If we were a rock band, it would b= e called "live", because we are a electro band, it's "mix". ?: What's new on the music from the technological point of view? H=FCtter: Before, we had to turn the knobs for hours to create the sounds= , and then they were lost for ever. That's pretty attractive again today. The analogue synthesizer isn't out of the race, we still use= more analogue than digital sounds. We built up a system that combines both of them in the last five years. We worked on "Electric= Cafe" the first time in digital, and now we can change the system live. ?: What is Ralf H=FCtter's favourite sound? H=FCtter: Good Question (and after a long thinking the anser): the human = voice. There is no instrument nor synthesizers with more possible sound-modulations. ?: Nobody is allowed to photograph Kraftwerk, you never give interviews. = Is that to push the cult around Kraftwerk? H=FCtter: No, it is a bit different. First, everybody can take photos of = us on our live-concerts. We think that we are looking pretty boring, so the dummies are really useful for us. ?: Kraftwerk is very reticent, very into privacy. H=FCtter, Yes, that's true. But I go out from time to time. The techno ni= ght in the Ratinger Hof is really ok. That's it. Thomas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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