From: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com (kraftwerk-digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #213 Reply-To: kraftwerk-digest Sender: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-kraftwerk-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, October 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 213 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:41:16 -0500 From: Bob VonMoss Subject: Re: (kw) Worst songs William Dobiesz wrote: > What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. How 'bout half the songs by the BeeGees and Captain & Tenniel's (sp?) "Muskrat Love." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:46 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. <<< But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:34:19 +0200 From: Armin.Poecker@t-online.de (Armin Poecker) Subject: (kw) Mini Calculateur > From: ">> a b z u g <<" > Subject: (kw) mini calculateur > > anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever > been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as > after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... There's no official CD issue of Mini Calculateur. A reasonably good recording can be found on the 'Werke' bootleg CD. Gunther # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:57:05 EDT From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Neonlights by OMD In a message dated 98-10-09 10:31:47 EDT, karasu@bcpl.net writes: << Has anyone heard the cover of Neonlights by OMD? I was just wondering if it's at all worth seeking out. I mean, obviously the Kraftwerk original is much better, but, well, I was just curious. >> I think it is excellent!! That whole OMD cd is brilliant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:57:05 EDT From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Neonlights by OMD In a message dated 98-10-09 10:31:47 EDT, karasu@bcpl.net writes: << Has anyone heard the cover of Neonlights by OMD? I was just wondering if it's at all worth seeking out. I mean, obviously the Kraftwerk original is much better, but, well, I was just curious. >> I think it is excellent!! That whole OMD cd is brilliant. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html - -drew - ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html - -drew - ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:32:43 -0500 From: drew dibble Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks Fredrik Skeppholm wrote: > > What new tracks did KW play at their performance at Roskilde? from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at www.kraftwerk.com) http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html - -drew - ---- drew dibble 'we have always been a virtual reality' -ralf hutter, kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) Sampled Band On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Der Automat wrote: > Ra wrote: > > To me, it is a direct relationship. A piece of music is made good or not > > by the choice of instruments/samples. Sometimes a tune is written around > > the samples. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Countless things with a sampler, not only can be done tunes. Sampler is the > most important musical advance of this century. Listen to the works of > Coldcut and Art of Noise, for example. I'd qualify that by saying samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. > > I consider use of someone else's samples a sort of tip-o-the-hat. > > IMHO a musician can (and he must) use the samples of another musician to > construct new (and innovating) sounds. I wouldn't say must. There are lots of other sources for samples, as you pointed out by mentioning the Art of Noise. Machines, voices, radio, TV, movies, cosmic noise, etc etc... I'm fond of songs that make liberal use of Star Trek samples, actually. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * The remarkable thing about the human mind is its range of limitations. */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:46 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Sampled Band >>> ...samplers and synths (and sampling synths!) are the most important instruments of all time (to me). Sequencers are up there too. Because if all we had were samplers, we'd end up recycling the same tired samples over and over again. <<< But what about those who chop up samples to the degree that you can't recognize them anymore? Look at a genius like DJ Premier, easily one of the best producers in hip-hop today. And what about Photek, who makes his records from literally hundreds of samples? Peace. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:19:33 +0800 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks > from what i've heard on the bootleg, the song 'luton hoo' (not sure if > that's the correct name, but that's the caption of the avi available at > www.kraftwerk.com) > http://www.kraftwerk.com/video.html No, 'Luton Hoo' is the name of the place where that track was first performed, in May 1997. It's in england, just north of london. England is part of the British isles, just off mainand europe, just in case you didn't know that. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:27:13 PDT From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? > >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > >Jules Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no apostrophe please) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:09:00 -0400 From: Mark Stagg Subject: Re: (kw) Mini Calculateur Message text written by ">> a b z u g <<" > Someone else mentioned > the French version of 'Computer World' was reissued on cassette in 1988= , or > did i misunderstand and this cassette is just a reissue of the regular > english language version. anyone have any info on the value / availibility > of this cassette?" I have that cassette...it's the English version but with "Mini Calculateu= r" substituted for "Pocket Calculator". It's a "Fame" reissue, on EMI Pathe Marconi1643704. Don't think there's a CD release though, and I don't thin= k it's particularly valuable - I bought it at a record fair for =A35. 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Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:24:41 +0100 From: ">> a b z u g <<" Subject: (kw) mini calculateur hi all, work has kept me away from the list (and my pc in general) over the last couple of months so now i only dip in occasionaly. still no new album? well there's a surprise! anyway, who can tell me if the french edition of 'computer world' has ever been issued on cd? i'm seeking a digital recording of 'mini calculateur' as after 17 years my cassette has become a little worn... dampfabzug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:22 PDT From: "Alan Stanford" Subject: (kw) searching kw lyrics Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:02:11 +0200 From: "J.Prieto - MuSiK" Subject: (kw) searching KW lyrics Hi ! Anyone know if is there any URL (WWW page) with KW lyrics ? Thanks :-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- try netfinderusa.com/music/lyricssearch/index.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:46:46 +0200 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Japanese Lp-OBI question Neil asked following question: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:28:44 EDT From: MWebb17743@aol.com Subject: (kw) Japnaese lp's Does anybody know if the Japanese pressings of Kraftwerk,Kraftwerk2 and Ralf and Florian LPs come with obi strips? The article in Aktivitat suggests that at least one of these does not. Well Neil... I am lucky enough to have the Japanese Ralf and Florian and Computerworld.. I can report to you that they both have those great looking OBI's.. Ralf and Florian cost originally Yen 1800 and CW 2800...that's what it says here.. Best Regards PS: Are you trying to find these? Pretty sought after I suppose..my above copies I got at a record fair here in Zuerich, Switzerland a few months ago..I snapped them right up! They cost me both together USD 65. Tschuess Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 19:20:30 -0000 From: Captain Punctuation Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks From what I hear that song is called "Tribal" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:53:40 -0600 From: "FXCordero" Subject: (kw) Re: K W Sample > Does anyone else barely hear the clavinet/harpsichord classical melody? (@ > 00:20.-00:25 ) This melody is used with telephones, watches, answering > machines. Fur Elise? > > a b z u g > > writes.... "Fur Ilse Koch" more like. Are you sure?....... http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/clay-koch-02.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:13:19 +0800 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Ganz allein wrote: > > > > >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > > > >Jules > > Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no > apostrophe please) > So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the english language so tight? It's colloquial, dear boy........ Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:34:39 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: Re: (kw) New tracks >From what I hear that song is called "Tribal" I Thought it was "Nummweltverschmutzung" :-) /Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:45:34 +0200 From: mdisante@sogei.it Subject: (kw) Samplers? Yes, but ... Many people of this list <> the importance of samplers in the music we like. I like samplers very much, too; they can be very powerful music machines, if you use them in a creative way but ... NOTHING is more exciting than pushing buttons, moving sliders and rotating knobs of a wonderful old analogue Synthesizers !!! (and listening to the results of your work) Try it, if you don't believe it !!!! Music Non Stop .... Techno-Pop to everyone ! Marcello # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:08:27 -0300 From: "Claudio Falaschini" Subject: (kw) Buenos Aires 1998 Koncert - Argentina Hi Werkers!! I'm back to my city (Mar del Plata, Argentina) after the most important musical/multimedia experiencie of my life. Kraftwerk was here in Argentina! I cant believe it yet. The perfomance was incredible..... the audio-visual explosion inside my mind.... feeling the bass drum kicking right in my chest... Wow! Thanks to Eduardo (Brasil), Mauricio (Chile) and Osvaldo (Argentina) for their friendship, i feel very comfortable with they and with the other 5 "non-list werkers" of the "Argentine Crew of Alto Palermo" :) (Bettina, Eduardo Encinas, Ricardo Ruiz and brother, Brother of Osvaldo). Ours friends took many pictures and it will be available soon, i hope (I offer xxx Mb of web space for it - mail me). A funny thing...hey guys! what happened before Radioactivity?? Wrong button?? :)) The story is that in the place of the "Radioactivity" starting synthetic voice, we heard the "ein, zwei, drei..." robotic voice of "Numbers" a few seconds :-))) The Man Machine is more man than machine, after all. LOL The Robots ..fantastic!! Was an impact to me the message of the technology and machines singing and performing for us... a subliminal message. The robots danced very well :) and the lights pointing to they make the all scene shocking and unforgetable for me... well, my friend Eduardo Avellar told me that, for him, the Florian robot was slighty out-of-sync with the others... i didnt notice it. And also my wife told me "hey! there are something wrong! The Florian Robot haves hairs and Florian haves no hairs! .. They must correct such thing! LOL" The argentine fans (3000-3500 ppl in Obras Sanitarias Stadium) were very warm and "soccer minded fans" :) , (i say that for the style of the songs we sing during the breaks and before the show .."aguante kraftwerk, loco").. too much warm for the four cold guys there in the stage.... Hey guys! a least a glimpse or a "thank you" look could be nice for us, werkers. Only Florian in "Pocket Calculator" was funny as always, driving his controller and smiling at the crow a few times. In the last piece ("Musique non stop") the guys leave the stage one-by-one (Florian 1st, and Ralf at last) without any cheer or something like a "good bye or thanks....". I hope Eduardo of Brasil will give us precise impressions also, he knows a real LOT about KW and he haves better background than me for make a precise contrast of this show. (hey Eduardo! hace calor en Brasil? Por que no te cortas el pelo?? :-))))) But he will be busy until after the 17 Oct i think. This is not a complete report of Buenos Aires, only a intro and a ACK of my back from BA. I'm trying to put in order my mind and ideas and i'll be back with a more detailed comment and/or with more spots. Saludos! Claudio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:08:47 +0100 From: Måns Sjöstrand Subject: Re: (kw) Buenos Aires 1998 Koncert - Argentina And also my wife told me "hey! there are > something wrong! The Florian Robot haves hairs and Florian haves no hairs! > .. They must correct such thing! LOL" Robots don`t ages :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:18:08 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Spare copies for sale or swap I got a spare copy of Kraftwerk bootleg CD "Robotronik Uebermensch" 9758696884749 (£16.5 or 27.5$). This is basically repackaging of the earlier "Man Machine Recreated" remix bootleg CD but with the addition of an extra track in the form of an edit of the Spanish language version of "Sex Object" and new cover design. The cover shows a close-up of the "Computer-World" mannequin of Ralf Huetter. The tracklistin is: Metropolis (Fritz Lang Mix), The Robots (Funkitionaers Mix), The Model (K=94 Mix), Neon Lights (Shadow Mix), Spacelab (Seven Up Mix), The Man Machine (Vorwaerts Marsch Mix), Tour de France (Arc the Triumphe Mix), Sex Object (Spanish Edit)). I also got a spare copy of Ralf und Florian on original Philips label (num. cat. 6305197) and it includes the eight page fold out poster by Emil Schult. Price: £62 or $106 LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk" S6305058 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) LP Kraftwerk "Kraftwerk 2" S6305117 Philips £104 or $177 (original release) Methods of payment: Payment should be made out to Andrés García Aparicio. Personal cheques from overseas are not acceptable, due to the high bank charges applied. Eurocheques, Giro Cheques or cash in a registered envelope are the preferred methods of payment from Europe. Elsewhere, $US cash in a registered envelope, bankers drat/ International Money Order payable in Spain bank are the preferred methods of payment. If many doubt please write privately for further details before sending any payment. To the total amount of the requested material, you must add: £2 or 3.6$ of expenses of post and packing. Plus 0.5 % commission post office. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me. I also have some others KW and related bands records to sell or swap. I specially looking for 12" Tour de France (German version EMI 1652046), 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI12EMI5413 (1984) UK 12" single 12" Tour de France (Françoise Kevorkian remix) / Tour de France (version) / Tour de France (7") EMI2003776 (1984) German 12" single UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / Robotronik (single version) CD EM192 UK CD single Robotronik / Robotnik / The Robots (different sleeve) CD EM192 UK CD single Radioactivity (Françoise Kevorkian 7" & 12" remixes) / Radioactivity (William Orbit 12" remix) CD EM2012045522 USA CD single The Robots (single edit) / Robotnik (Kling Klang mix) / Robotronik (Kling Klang mix) CDs Elektra 966526-2 German CD single Robotnik / Die Roboter (single edit) / Robotronik EMI2043256 12" The telephone call EMI 5602, 12" Der Telefon Anruf EMI 2016336, Computer World LP (Japanese language) Toshiba EMS 91030, Computer World CD (first release) Elektra 93549-2, Computer World LP (Française language) Pathé-Marconi 26070, Exceller 8 Vertigo 6360629 (1975), Elektro Kinetik Vertigo 6449066 (1981), Doppelalbum Philips 36623057 (1975), Highrail Fontana 9294124 (1979), etc. 7"'s by Elektric Music. Cheers! DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:41:39 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk Consoles: What's inside? CHECK Some more of KW's ground-breaking equipment modifications, not generally know about... (only joking!)(trad., CHECK) According to Aktivitaet issue 10, Florian Schneider control the Robovox unit, two Akai S-1000 sampler. Fritz Hilpert control Laptop computer, portion of Eventide unit, Pylon A4 unit, Akai S-1000 sampler. Henning Schmitz control Waldorf Microwave, ART, Eventide, Pylon, Data-Switch and Sony 5¼" disk-drive, Akai S-1000 sampler, Roland mixer, Akai DD-1000. Ralf Huetter control Eventide, Roland mixes, Monitor screen. According to Doepfer it seems KW have assistanced to develop several modular sinthesizers and analogic sequencers from Doepfer. The band uses the modular system A100, MAQ 16/3, MMR4/4, Schaltwerk, Regelwerk, master keyboards Sonderversionen and minikeyboards Donderanfertigung. All of them used during this tour. The German company Quasimidi stated in one of their latest brochures that KW are using their Rave-O-lution 309 module in their concerts. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:41:31 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Questions Kraftwerk state their intention to record with Derrick May when The Mix Tour 91 took to Detroit. But this gig never arrived to America. Does anybody of you some more info about? Lothar Manteuffel has composed several types of music for VH1 channel of the German TV. Does anybody subsequent activities of LM? And the subsequent activities of Basil Hammoudi, Butch Hauf, Fred Monick, Andreas Holmann, Wolfgang Reichman, Rainer Sennewald, Brigitte Kanz, Bodo Staiger, Peter Wollek, Klaus Roeder, Hans Laupe, Mani Meumaier? Karl Bartos wrote the preface for the book, published in October 1995, "Techno Style", whose authors are Martin Pesch and Markus Weisbeck. Does anybody know how to get this book? The German label SPV released with the discographic items, several unique pieces of promotional material: two watches, one sporting the "TV" cover design, and the other the "Esperanto" design, a esperanto (the actual language) phrase book, given away to journalists -promo copies of the CD also came with an addicional insert in the artificial language-, posters of record shops exhibition, card sleeve reproductions of the album gatefold, and stickers - -circular of "TV" and rectangular of "Esperanto"-. Does anybody know how to get them? I am also looking for Elektric Music and Yamo video-clips and promo items and 7". I have some KW and related band records to swap for. Mail me privately. DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:44:02 +0200 From: "Der Automat" Subject: (kw) Reebok logo Has anybody else of you realized that the Reebok logo is looked much like the Autobahn logo? DER AUTOMAT ® # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:37:28 PDT From: "Peder Livijn" Subject: (kw) Re:Analogue "NOTHING is more exciting than pushing buttons, moving sliders and rotating knobs of a wonderful old analogue Synthesizers !!!", Marcello wrote, and he is so right! Samplers and digital instruments can´t even begin to compare when it comes to making fat, warm and organic sounds. MORE ANALOGUE TO THE PEOPLE!!!!! Reasonman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:33:08 PDT From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? >> > >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P >> > >> >Jules >> >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no >> apostrophe please) >> >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the >english language so tight? > >It's colloquial, dear boy........ > 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:10:16 +0800 From: Jules Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? Ganz allein wrote: > > >> > > >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P > >> > > >> >Jules > >> > >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no > >> apostrophe please) > >> > >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the > >english language so tight? > > > >It's colloquial, dear boy........ > > > 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. so what's the problem? Is there a rule about grammar in the list intro? I can tell you there is a sentence about reading the archives, presumably to avoid going over and over subjects, such as 'best song / worst song'. ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:28:13 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Least favourite type of email on this list? At 10:41 am -0500 13/10/98, Bob VonMoss wrote: >William Dobiesz wrote: > >> What is your absolutely least favo(u)rite song ever produced by any artist. > >How 'bout half the songs by the BeeGees and Captain & Tenniel's (sp?) "Muskrat >Love." Or how about taking this off-list? Just my bad-tempered opinion, of course... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:37:52 PDT From: "Ganz allein" Subject: Re: (kw) Best song, worst song, who gives a flying f**k?? >> >> > >> >> >Hey, every list has to have it's police force dunnit? ;-P >> >> > >> >> >Jules >> >> >> >> Yes, and I am the grammar police: you meant "its", NOT "it's" (no >> >> apostrophe please) >> >> >> >So, nothing wrong with the 'dunnit' then? And since when was the >> >english language so tight? >> > >> >It's colloquial, dear boy........ >> > >> 'Dunnit' is colloquial; your use of "it's" is just wrong. > >so what's the problem? Is there a rule about grammar in the list intro? >I can tell you there is a sentence about reading the archives, >presumably to avoid going over and over subjects, such as 'best song / >worst song'. > >;-) > > >Jules > There's no rule about grammar on the list, but after seeing that error for the hundredth time this week I just had to speak out. Nothing personal. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:16:03 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) AutoBDesktoppict Finally I've had time to make a new Desktop-picture, this time for Autobahn= , I hope you like it=2E And as always a warning, my pages are pretty heavy, takes a while to download, hope it's worth the waiting! The new one is at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/autobahn=2Ehtml To see the others goto my index at: http://members=2Etripod=2Ecom/~KlingKlang/index=2Ehtml Regards/Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info kraftwerk" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email kraftwerk@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Other questions? Read the FAQ: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #213 *******************************