From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #101 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Sunday, July 6 1997 Volume 03 : Number 101 In this issue: (kw) Leaving... (kw) Cancellation (kw) new member intro RE: (kw) Leaving.. Re: (kw) new member intro Re: (kw) new member intro Re: (kw) Peers of KW (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:52:23 +-200 Re: WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed (kw) 'Computer World' Font. (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:00:17 +-200 Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. (kw) Bleep and Booster CAT No. Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering reviews Re: (kw) Leaving.. Re: (kw) Leaving.. Re: (kw) M.Parrish!/"Brucie-Wucie" Re: (kw) Leaving.. Re: (kw) Leaving.. (kw) the continuing drama Re: (kw) the continuing drama (kw) Recording media Re: (kw) Recording media (kw) Cybotron, etc. (kw) Our list... (kw) The function of this list Re: (kw) The function of this list Re: (kw) The function of this list Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation (kw) Hello All!!! (kw) VCR Alert!! VH-1 "A-Z" this weekend! (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital (kw) VCR Alert!! Update See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:18:29 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Leaving... Please resist the temptation to respond to this nitwit. Thanks. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 20:40:54 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Cancellation >>> I was hoping I had finally found Kindred Spirits here, but, aside from a few very special, warm-hearted CyberPals out there, it really seems like a lot of so-called KW Fans just don't give a damn, and it grieves me deeply. There are too many thieves/flamers who spoil it for the rest of us. I am beyond angry and disgusted! <<< I concur! All y'all need to get some Afrocentric knowledge into your domes, and then you'd see that this bickering is petty bullshit. We need to unite and weed out the selfish muthafukaz who keep us list members down by exploitation and what-not. Positivity is the key! Think of "ujima" (collective work and responsibility) and "ujaama" (collective economics), two kiswahili words for you there, before trying to make a few bucks by ripping us off. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:44:10 +0200 From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) new member intro hello (hola) perhaps some people on this list already know about me. i will reintroduce myself for those who don't (most of you probably). my name is jose garcia and i have been a kw fan since 1980, after hearing on the radio at night songs as tee and radio-activity. i collect kw records and have versions from different countries. i count them by the hundreds now. in january 1993 i was one of the 10 starting members of the kraftwerk mailing list, when it was hosted at cs.uwp.edu and managed by dave datta. i saw kw live in barcelona 1991 as well as at the 3 concerts in may 1993, groningen (what a performace, fabulous), gent and osnabrueck. groningen is specially memorable, just in a small theatre, about 400-500 people maximum, and kw on the stage. i am a regular contributor to the unofficial kraftwerk fanzine, aktivitat, and do distribution for spain (perhaps not so regular anymore?). (hello ian). one of my favourite kw albums is e.cafe. and just a few days ago i had a very good experience listening to kw vinyl on a good hi-fi equipment (low hi-end could i qualify it?), remember that, miguel angel esteban? all the hardware was by linn, with a linn basik turntable. i could listen to things i don't hear on cd. this is specially noticeable on good quality vinyl, 12" at 45 rpm for instance. an experience i recommend to any kw fan. kw are ideal for listening in this kind of hardware! so, hello to all of you, and specially to any old members with whom i shared experiences, trades, etc. jose garcia - - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, - - sonido electronico, decibel sintetico. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:41:39 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Leaving.. > I bought my Volkswagen because of the car, not the people who made it. I > couldn't care less about them (Mexican or German). It was the product, the > simple, straight forward product. Nothing more. Ha ha ha ha ha So man you not only like Kraftwerk but copy their own words, too! You're very funny mate! Goodbye!! That thing about the Volkswagen, I'm sure I readed Ralf Hütter saying exactly that on an interview... don't remember what one. (Klaus, can you help??) - -Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:18:42 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) new member intro See list members, I told you so.........(vinyl is quality) Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:24:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) new member intro On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Craig Land wrote: > See list members, I told you so.........(vinyl is quality) :) Technicaly, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... Choice of recording media is a very personal thing. Myself, I like vinyl, mag tape and CDs. I prefer CDs because they're random access without being as fragile as records, and I prefer their flatter frequency response. Ultimately it's the player, amp and speakers that make all the difference though. Some kinds of equipment may make records sound better than CDs. My equipment makes CDs sound much better than records. Go figure. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 57.6% nerd, 85% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:18:10 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Peers of KW Man Parrish eh?! Well as an old popper and break dancer, I was well into the Electro scene in the early eighties (if you want to hear one of the best Electro tunes of all time, check out Clear by Cybotron, this is an early Juan Atkins tune which uses Kraftwerk samples as well), Man Parrish were two brothers, Raul Rodriguez and I can't remember the other guys name, but they had the following record releases: 12 inch singles; Hip Hop Be Bop (Don't Stop) Part 1 b/w Part2 Man Made b/w Heatstroke Boogie Down Bronx b/w Instrumental LP Man Parrish I have all of the above, the LP actually includes a guest appearance by Klaus Nomi, remember him?! They also did some later material which can only be described as 'Batty-boy' music, sorry, Hi-NRG Gay Disco type!! One tune was even called Male Stripper, I would not personally want to be seen buying this one! I agree with you that if KW had gone the 303 route, then Man Parrish could be likened them. But we will never know. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 04:53:16 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:52:23 +-200 >Craig Land wrote >(snipp) >They also did some later material which can only be described as=20 >'Batty-boy' music, sorry, Hi-NRG Gay Disco type!! One tune was even=20 >called Male Stripper, I would not personally want to be seen buying=20 >this one! C mon Craig!!! Man 2 Man meets Man Parrish / Male Stripper is definetly one of the = coolest Hi-NRG tracks ever recorded. And the lyrics!!!! - Built like a truck, Ill pump for a buck!!! Is that cool or what ;-) Some mail-order shop had like 3 CDs with Man Parrish, Best of.... Hip Hop Bee Bop 2nd Album Just thought perhaps you wanted to know. Uffe _________________________________________________________________________= Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= - -^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All = Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^= - -^ =00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:56:07 +0200 (CES) From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Subject: Re: WG: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed According to Martin Niedergesaess: > > Kraftwerk > > - ein seltenes Konzert findet zu Eroeffnung des ZKM in Karlsruhe > > am 18.10.97 statt. Es sind keine weiteren Konzerte in diesem Jahr > > in Deutschland geplant. Karten in Kuerze unter www.ticketworld.de > > thats mainly what Klaus already postet, except: > >>the concert will take place at the opening of ZKM in Karlsruhe<< and > >>tickets will be available very soon at www.ticketworld.de<< > does anybody know what ZKM means?? ZKM means "Zentrum fuer Kunst und Medientechnologie" (Center for Art and Media Technology). It has some web pages at "http://www.zkm.de". - -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de - -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:47:43 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. For those of you who have already been to the "Datorvaerld" Kraftwerk website, you've seen the usage of the font that appears on the 'Computer World' CD. I am referring to the font with the diamond-shaped letter "O" and the half-hexagonal letter "C". I own both 'Computer World' and 'Computerwelt' on CD, and only the English-language version of the CD contains this font in which the track listing and all other text is displayed. My German-language version of the CD does not contain this font anywhere on its packaging, so I was wondering if the original German vinyl of the album contains the font or was it exclusive to the English-language release? Also is there an official name for this font? By the way, for those of you who have not yet been to the "Datovaerld" website, the URL is: http://www.abc.se:80/~m9736/kraftwerk/ It's currently under construction, but you can go take a peek at that font to see what I'm referring to. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Eins Zwei Drei Vier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:01:31 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:00:17 +-200 Werkers!!! Ive re-made the Marktplatz in the vinyl section. Is that for better or for worse? Feedback please! And goddammit send those adverts NOW! :-) Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ ~~~~~~~~|Synthetic Electronic Sounds, Industrial Rhythms All Around|~~~~~~~~ ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:01:00 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. > release? Also is there an official name for this font? I have a TTF file with this font, it's called OCR-T or something like that. I recently used it for my KW page too :) if someone needs this font, i can send it. I also have a font similar to one that appears on the backsleeve of the Man Machine. Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 16:05:29 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. At 09:47 1997-07-04 -0400, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > My German-language version of the CD does not contain this font anywhere on its=20 > packaging, so I was wondering if the original German vinyl of the album > contains the font or was it exclusive to the English-language release? > Also is there an official name for this font? I heard from ROBOT that on vinyl it had pixel based font,.. Is that the german or english version? She also told that the cassette version got the font I use on my pages. The name of the font is OCR-A Extended,.. OCR stands for Optical Character Recognition and is used in old style text-reading systems.=20 //RoBoten, owner of Datorv=E4rld # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:08:02 +0100 From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. > I have a TTF file with this font, it's called OCR-T or something like that. > I recently used it for my KW page too :) if someone needs this font, i can > send it. It's OCR-A, OCR being Optical Character Recognition - it's the machine-readable stuff you get on cheques etc. Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 10:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: WaltonP@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bleep and Booster CAT No. Hi, sorry for the delay. For those who are interested the record label and catalogue number for the album 'The World of Bleep and Booster' by Bleep & Booster is as follows. London Records Cat no : - 828 511.2 Apparently Virgin Megastore in Edinburgh had a copy about a week ago. When I'm next at home I going to create some .wav files so that I can email them to interested people so they can check it out. Catch you later Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:36:41 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) 'Computer World' Font. barnhill@easyway.net (Scott M. Barnhill),internet writes:=20 >so I was wondering if the original German vinyl=20 >of the album contains the font or was it exclusive to the=20 >English-language=20 >release? =20 =20 I think only the American version contains this font...the others have=20 a dot-matrix font......=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 18:04:51 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed At 20:46 03.07.1997 +0200, you wrote: >Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will >appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. Do you know if there is any connection between this live appearance and the still to be released new album? Bye, Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:14:06 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering reviews The July issue of the German magazine Zillo contains a review of the Tribal Gathering festival, including a photo of Kraftwerk performing "Tour de France". BTW: The "Beam me up" article quotes a Tribal Gathering review from The Guardian. Does anyone know the exact date of the Guardian review? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:55:02 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Somebody sang once: don't judge before you judge yourselve. He was an artist, I think TD ( a european) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:56:49 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. Personally I love America, I also drive a Trans Am over here the UK and would love to emigrate, but it's comments like this from Americans like you that give your Nation a bad name. Us Europeans on the whole don't think we are better than anyone, after all look how crap the English are at sport! It is true that sometimes this list gets too involved with the hows and why's when all we sometimes want to do is enjoy the music, but if the majority want to speak on such matters who are you to complain. You had better take your loud mouth opinions elsewhere, why don't you just switch off your Internet set and go and do something less boring instead....know what I mean!! Craig. Note. Empty vesels make most noise Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 04:21:48 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) M.Parrish!/"Brucie-Wucie" - -(Adam & Craig were talking about Mann Parrish)- > Man Parrish eh?! YEAH!! SIX SIMPLE SYNTHESIZERS & TECHNOTRAX! Yummy StuFF! Unfortunately, I only have this one album. -(name plastered all over the cover)- Very KW-ish, for sure! So, what's Brucie-Wucie's problem?? -( Ofcourse I emailed him privately.)- Yes, I was tempted to unsubscribe from the MailList, because of all the hate & discontent. But, many people have asked me to stay, "silly" T-shirts and all. -(C'mon, my design isn't THAT bad. I've seen a lot worse- and nobody's forcing anyone to buy any. At $10 + Postage, I am NOT making a Dime!)- So, I'm staying. If the unfriendlies don't like me, that's just too bad, because they are highly out-numbered. -(Thanks to all of the Friendlies for the kind Emails!)- Majority rules. *SNIIIFFF* ah-h-h! Frisches Luft/Fresh Air! Gee- with Brucie gone, it smells a lot better in here already! 'nuff sed. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:16:18 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. I can understand the feeling. Actually, when I subscribed to this list a couple of months ago, I was expecting more, being a KW fan since 1971 (yes, i'm very old, I have 127 grand children and i move on a wheelchair). The only problem I have with the content of this list is that it's only that. Some of the people contributing the most seem to be those who have the least to say, or who are the most recents fans and don't see KW work in the perspective of electro-pop / synth music history & evolution during the past 30 years. Don't get me wrong : i don't mean they're ignorants. I just mean that they didn't experience the successive steps of that music style and the successive trends in real time with all the context, and I'm sure it makes a big difference. It's the same with Bussy's book : the only new thing I learned was that Ralf had a bicycle accident because he used to drink to much coffee (or something like that). Poor Ralf... I know what some of you are going to say : if you expect more from this list, why don't you do the first step and contribute with some new stuff ? And they're probably right... But as a true KW fan, I'm planing to send a new contribution every 11 years only ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 19:41:24 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) Leaving.. At 22:06 03.07.1997 -0400, you wrote: > >All, .... >Anyway, kids, it was fun. I managed to get a few people in tears, and so= =20 >far, one death threat from an impotant Frenchman. Yippee! (Like thats a= =20 >threat - more like a joke, really.) > >Bruce > I think it won=B4t be a great loss. Bruce - since you seem to have some massive "off-topic" problems : Cool down, have a beer ( if you care ) and see your doctor. I am quite shure he can help. I am so sad that I don=B4t know the english expression for "profil-neurose". Anyway, you wouldn=B4t care, would you ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:27:14 -0400 From: caseyw@gtn.net (Wood, Casey) Subject: (kw) the continuing drama The only group of people that can match the pretension of certain members of this mailing list, are kraftwerk themself! Bye, bye. Sincerely, A very dissinterested, Casey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:34:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) the continuing drama On Fri, 4 Jul 1997 caseyw@gtn.net wrote: I don't think anyone's directly mentioned yet that there's not a whole lot to talk about. Some have complained about it and left, and I think they missed the point. Don't get me wrong. I love KW and am always hoping for news about them. However, there's not that much. They keep a low profile, rarely release new material, seldom appear in public and don't say much to the press. We here on the list have pretty much exhaustively searched for and found every second of KW music and video there is, and every article that mentions them. In the yawning gulfs between news items, we don't really have much to discuss except comparing opinions and trading rumors and speculations. Some people seem to expect this list to have the thriving traffic of other musical groups' lists. It doesn't, and personally I never expected it to. I for one like the list the way it is. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre * http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 23:52:49 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Recording media >>> Technically, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... <<< What about CDs that use SBM or some other 20-bit mastering technology? I think the difference is like night and day! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 22:20:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Recording media On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > What about CDs that use SBM or some other 20-bit mastering technology? I > think the difference is like night and day! Peace. I haven't had a chance to hear such a thing. Actually I didn't even know it existed. I would imagine it sounds pretty good though. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre * http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 02:00:30 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Cybotron, etc. After reading the info about Man Parrish, I think I'll only get the "Hip-Hop Bebop" single. That other stuff sounds truly nasty. New topic (Cybotron). Isn't it weird that both Cybotron albums are on the Fantasy label???? I mean, it's a legendary jazz label, and the only rock it ever released were the joints by Creedence Clearwater Revival. But BREAKDANCE music???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 23:47:49 -0700 From: LM Subject: (kw) Our list... If this list is supposed to be "sinking" as one might say, I guess the rats are the first ones to leave the boat... ;-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 07:18:11 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) The function of this list Greetings from sunny Bangkok! Erm, sorry ROBOT, the addresss was pcstruct@technologist.com, ooops. What's going on here then? I haven't had a chance to catch up yet, so I'l= l have to plough through it all tonight. My thoughts so far are this: We all have a common interest, right? so if that's the case, do we HAVE t= o post to the group with new material, or is the function of this group to loosely string together some KW souls lost in cyberspace, regardless of t= he content. Well, my preffered option is the latter, 'cos to me, there ain't= much info going, and the option is then to keep going with related matter= s. What Brucie didn't seem to understand, is that the human race is a greatl= y varied entity, and views that stray from his percepted norm are just as valid. yes, I agree with some of his views, kw don't like fanatisism, but= , one the other hand, they don't control what their fans do, and they are also partly responsible for fanatisism (due to their knack of releasing shit hot material - once in a blue moon) Hell, I don't even agree completely with the views of those I keep in regular contact with, but we STILL have that common interest. So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service= , or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? C'mon, show your hands....... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 16:45:51 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Julian Seifert wrote: > My thoughts so far are this: > > We all have a common interest, right? so if that's the case, do we HAVE to > post to the group with new material, or is the function of this group to > loosely string together some KW souls lost in cyberspace, regardless of the > content. Well, my preffered option is the latter, 'cos to me, there ain't > much info going, and the option is then to keep going with related matters. > What Brucie didn't seem to understand, is that the human race is a greatly > varied entity, and views that stray from his percepted norm are just as > valid. yes, I agree with some of his views, kw don't like fanatisism, but, > one the other hand, they don't control what their fans do, and they are > also partly responsible for fanatisism (due to their knack of releasing > shit hot material - once in a blue moon) Well said, Julian. > Hell, I don't even agree completely with the views of those I keep in > regular contact with, but we STILL have that common interest. > > So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service, > or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? I joined the list for discussion with people who like some of the music that I happen to like, maybe even share some thoughts with some fellow musicians about gear etc. I don't know what Bruce was expecting joining this list but I have enjoyed it so far. I don't mind if discuss about Gary Numan etc. - I might check a Numan CD myself someday because of that discussion. Fanaticism - I'm absolutely no fanatic myself but, hey: Kraftwerk is not the worst thing you could be fanatic about, is it? Just my 2 bits worth, Otso NP: Prodigy: The Fat of the Land # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 05:34:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Julian Seifert wrote: > So, fellow KW'ers, what is the function of this list? A cold news service, > or a friendly discussion group broadly based aroung the theme? > C'mon, show your hands....... Well, of course the latter choice sounds better. As it is, we all have gripes about it. I for one am bothered by the frequent unsubstantiated rumors and the bias some members have against some modern forms of music. However, we can't make everyone happy. I say it's good the way it is, as long as we all remember to keep a civil tongue and respect the views of others without necessarily agreeing with them. And watch out for trolls. Some people get their kicks out of learning enough about a newsgroup or mailing list to know just what to say to throw it into chaos. It seems to me that this has happened a few times recently. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:53:45 +0200 (MEST) From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream was: presentation Hi! > > I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows > about that? I dont know about a mailing list, but: If youre one of the lucky guys, who can receive German TV-Channel VOX via Astra: Friday, 18th of July 12.10 am Midnight Magazin: The Comeback of Tangerine Dream Biography an current Tour-Report.... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 18:39:10 -0700 (MST) From: SeJ@asu.edu Subject: (kw) Hello All!!! My name is jessica and I just joined the list. Sounds like someone is having a hard time with subject matter. Every list I've been on goes through that discussion, kind of in a cyclical fashion. I didn't join to simply talk about KW, how many old records I have, all the little things you can hear if you listen really hard, what it sounds like they're saying when they speak german, ETC... I happen to have fond memories of Kraftwek, it was the music I grew up to thanks to my kick-ass older brother. You can imagine the intense nostalgia and elation I felt when, for the first time at a rave I heard Tour de France or any other tune mixed over phat breaks and coming over a sound system meant to permanently damage your hearing :) About me -- I just turned 21, live in Tempe Arizona. I attend Arizona State University, my senior year approaches. I plan to change my major to business or maybe music or maybe both :) I am having trouble making up my mind . I've been doing the rave/club thing for prolly three years now. Getting a little burnt on it though. WOn't go into my theories on that right now though :) So that's me in a nut-shell :) Talk to you all soon ! . * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:15:54 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VCR Alert!! VH-1 "A-Z" this weekend! - -(*ARGH*! I tried to post this the other day, but, it never showed up! HELP!)- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- VH-1 is showing "A-Z" videos all week-end, beginning with ABBA early Friday Morning and concluding with ZZ TOP late Sunday evening. The "K"s should show up sometime Saturday evening! - -(I don't know if VH-1 is World-Wide or US only.)- Let's see, there's KANSAS, and KISS, and.... Hm-m, what other bands start with "K"? :] ROBOSMILEY - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -(UPDATE)- !!*PANIC*!! This didn't post!! They were on Michael Jackson a few minutes ago- "K" is getting close! It's 8pm PDT as I type this.... I hope to God those who get VH-1 will see this in time. I'm so sorry this didn't get posted sooner! IF they DO play KRAFTWERK, I'll have it on tape, and I'll find the means to make duplicates if needed. -(Keeping my digits crossed)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 11:53:31 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital Interesting that this topic should come up. Just yesterday I was at a Barnes & Noble and noticed that they had both the Capital and Cleopatra releases of Radioactivity and TEE side by side. The Cleopatra releases were priced higher? Can anyone tell me if there is a quality difference between the two releases? Or do they come from the same master? Marco Subject: (kw) VCR Alert!! Update Re: VH-1 "A-Z" videos.... It's 11:15pm PDT and they were playing Elton John up until 11 before they broke away for the RuPaul show, and they'll resume alphabetical videos at 11:30 til whenever. -(They might show infomercials in the middle of the night.)- At this rate, maybe, just MAYbe they'll show some KRAFTWERK video(s) sometime tomorrow morning. -(Sunday)-. They had just begun an entire hour's worth of Mickael Jackson when I sent the previous message at 8pm. -(Pacific Daylight Time)- Then they showed Rick James "Superfreak" followed by about 1/2 hour each from Billy Joel and Elton John. Well- apparently they're showing quite a few videos of each major artist. - -(Mostly older songs)- But, they skipped Jean-Michel Jarre and Jamiriquois, so, I can only hope they'll play The Model or something by KW. If so, look for KISS and they wont be far behind.... =VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1=VH-1= ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #101 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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