From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #102 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Monday, July 7 1997 Volume 03 : Number 102 In this issue: Re: (kw) The function of this list (kw) VH-1: nevermind.... Re: (kw) The function of this list Re: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital (kw) Future Music RE: (kw) Las Modelos. metal box & Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation (kw) large .ra files Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) Digital recordings (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol (kw) drum machine help me..... (kw) Computer World Songs? Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Re: (kw) Digital recordings (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we know it ) Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) Computer World Songs? (kw) Digital recordings #3 (kw) metropolis idea (kw) metropolis Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Re: (kw) Future Music (kw) Intro and opinion (kw) Electronic and OMD (kw) 'Future Music' (kw) Nothing to talk about.... (kw) Rules of Nature AW: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed (kw) Man-Machine font. (kw) KW and German Language (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample (kw) misc Re: (kw) misc (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 02:47:55 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list Just to put my 2 cents in (yeah, an American expression - what's the equivalent in your town?) I agree with Julian. I only joined the list recently and didn't really "expect" anything in particular from it. That's the fun part. I've found the I can better re-experience something if I can do so through someone else's eyes. That's what the list does for my -- gives me other peoples reactions to KW (and related topics) and gives me fresh insight. So far, the "fanatical" ROBOT has been the most helpful thing about the great by posting her list of KW webistes! As far as on/off-topic conversation...here's my contribution: I've been listening to "The Mix" in the car lately and I think it's really cool the way the rearview mirror shakes along with the bass notes! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 03:31:38 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) VH-1: nevermind.... RATS!! False alarm. They went from Chaka Khan to The Knack -(My Sharona!)-, to Kool & the Gang, to commercials ....and ....And ....AND ....-(the tension mounts)- ....*grrrr*.... Lenny Kravitz?!! Those turkeys skipped over KRAFTWERK. It figures. %@#$. :[[ ROBOBITCH on the War Path! Well, atleast I tried.... I guess I can go to bed any time now. Thank you to all of the "friendlies" for being so supportive- ofcourse this isn't about "stroking ROBOT's ego". -(But, ThanX anyway, guys! It does feel good to know that atleast SOME people out there like me! :] ROBOSMILEY)- No. This is about being into KRAFTWERK and sharing their VIBES. Period. Note: I know I'm a *MEGAFREAK*, but, if I were actually a "FanatiK" in the literal sense, I would expect everyone else to be a "FanatiK", too, and to agree with me 100% on everything. But, no. All I ask is to be allowed to be myself and that we all treat each other with simple respect and a little tolerance. 10-4? I would never intentionally offend anyone, -(unless provoked)-, and I wish I could contribute a lot more than just "silly" K-shirts and KraZy humor. I do what I can when I can. No single person on this List can please every other person. But, if we all WERK together, I'm certain that everyone will find something here that pleases them. 'Talk about their gear, talk about their tunes, influences on other Artists- it's all relevant. -(Eh, Lazlo? Am I right?)- KRAFTWERK is universal. Let's all keep that in mind. Please forgive this personal "off-list" note: As could be expected, I exchanged a couple of flames with Bruce M. -(as in "Moron")- Lloyd, and he lost BIG TIME by proving himself to be the Queen of All Morons. -("Give 'em enough rope...." Ha! He hung himself. I didn't.)- I can't continue a "Battle of Wits" with an unarmed enemy. Hey, I have moral values, y'know. Guten Nacht, alles! TschuS! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:55:46 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list >As far as on/off-topic conversation...here's my contribution: >I've been listening to "The Mix" in the car lately and I think >it's really cool the way the rearview mirror shakes along with >the bass notes! Kewell! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 08:34:03 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capital >Interesting that this topic should come up. Just yesterday I was at a >Barnes & Noble and noticed that they had both the Capital and Cleopatra >releases of Radioactivity and TEE side by side. The Cleopatra releases >were priced higher? Can anyone tell me if there is a quality difference >between the two releases? Or do they come from the same master? >Marco Hi there Marco. The topic regarding the quality and price of the Cleopatra re-issues as compared with their Capitol counterparts has been discussed at some length here on the list in the past, so you may be able to find a good deal of material concerning this subject in the post archive at ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive Without attempting to speak for anyone else inaccurately, I do believe that the majority of responses we got from list members concerning this issue were unanimous in that most people preferred the Capitol versions hands down. There were several reasons why the Cleopatra re-issues received such unfavorable response, the top 3 being: 1) poorer sound quality than on the Capitol ones, 2) altered and cropped packaging/cover artwork, and 3) often inaccurate liner notes. As someone who own both the Capitol and Cleopatra versions, I find that they both have their merits, although the Capitol versions are definitely the all-around shining stars of the two IMHO. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Turn the dials with your hand..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 08:41:50 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Future Music All, I picked up a copy f this month's FM at heathrow airport, and as an addendum to previous posts, there is also a review of Yamo's 'Time Pie' Rather unfavourable, unfortunately. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:06:58 +0200 From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) Las Modelos. >Yes; well specially a few (well, not so few) years ago it was usual to >translate the titles of the records. Don't ask me why- I don't have a clue. well, in some books at use in our universities you can still read about *Carlo* Marx or *Federico* Nietszche... maybe it's memories of when we were so influent to latinize anyone's surname... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:06:36 +0200 From: lbo Subject: metal box & Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation >sometimes I am even too tired/have no time to read email. > >are you all still feed by your relatives, or do you live in a real world? ok, apologies for my words above. I admit I was a little nervous. I did not want to offend anyone. I just wished to point out that one's daily routine can be sometime very demanding in terms of time and energy, and the list cannot become another job! and in some cases even going to the post could be a job! so what if things take a little longer? and in my immediately sollowing mex you could have well see that I take a different approach to this matter. anyway, I completely agree with the two cents mex of Lazlo. just to come back in topic, the Kraftwerk "Metal box" album I saw on an italian on line seller is not to be confused with the Pil one, and the only thing I could further know is that is a vinyl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:06:39 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) large .ra files I really appreciate that some people, expecially Anders of Infobahr, put audio files of variuos format to download on their pages. the problem is that, at last for me, it unlikely that a transfer larger that 3M happen reliably without interruptions. and I even tried to download from the offices a subsidiary of our national telecom... so I was wondering if it could be possible to split the files for download in smaller size with compressors that permit multivolume splitting, like arj or rar. it's just an idea, of course. I know that practical implications could be demanding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:08:54 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings >What,.... you prefer Mac's to IBM Windows 95 based PC's! nice move... let's divert the flames to a standard and more safe issue... :-))) somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the usual visual signs that show the use of a mac (the San Francisco font, the typical screen layout etc.), but I don't know why, it seem to me to have seen a mac in one of their stages. I could be obviously all wrong anyway. maybe it was just an Akai sampler that I see used by many musicians I know with a mac sequencer. or do they use other types of computers? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:09:45 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings At 01:10 02/07/97 EDT, you wrote: > >Why is it that KW hasn't employed digital recording techniques? I don't well, I don't want to seem iconoclastic, but it does not seem to me that K never aimed so much at high tech. eventually to a sort of casual-all-day tech. and in many of their products I see some naivete, expecially on the image/video side. or think to the Computerworld and The Mix logos... this is not to say bad of them, maybe they just choose to be that way. let's say anyway that now digital direct to disk recording should be more practical and maybe even more cheap for this kind of music than conventional techniques. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:10:51 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings >a mac, or a pc, even an old atari will do (btw. I have a apple II in the if it could be of interest, I once asked to the Psychick Warriors ov Gaia why they still used old Ataris, and they told me that they have tried anything, but the Ataris proved to be more reliable and sturdy (sp?) on tours, other machines whose brand I wont tell being a lot more fragile... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:30:26 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings At 17:08 1997-07-06 +0200, you wrote: >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the >usual visual signs that show the use of a mac Nah.. At Tribal Gathering I saw a Toshiba with something that looked like Windows 95.. In a small window I saw the graphics that were displayed on the big screens. Pretty cool! //RoBoten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:10:36 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol While on the subject of the Cleopatra re-issues, I find it appropriate to mention that while CD shopping, I recently came across a version of Cleopatra's 'Radio-Activity' CD with slightly different packaging than their original 1992 re-issue of this disc. Those of you who either own or have seen that one will recall it's green-tinted cover photo of the original album cover and enlarged 'KRAFTWERK' logo. Well, the new packaging that Cleopatra has released it in is somewhat more true to the original 'Radio-Activity', with the only apparent exception being that the parts which should be white on the cover are now printed in shiny silver as opposed to the green that Cleopatra had used before. The back of the CD case features the original black & white photo of the back of the old radio, with the track listing off to the right hand margin. Other than that, I cannot comment on the package's interior as it was sealed in the store. It was going for $15.99, by the way. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Ohm Sweet Ohm..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) drum machine help me..... i just bought a large organ and ripped the ticky drum machine out of it....I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to trigger the individual sounds via metal pads - yes yes - i get this idea from early KW....it's still a great idea. I've already located little metal pins that are each of the sounds. Thanks to all the geniuses of energy!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 20:35:05 -0700 From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) Computer World Songs? Hi, I recently found the "Pocket Calculator" 45rpm with "Dentaku" on the B-side. I'm curious to what songs Kraftwerk recorded during the Computer World Album that are not on the album but are on singles. I assume that there is an album with German vocals too. Philip - -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammond's Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Phone +1.902.835.7844 pilgrim@atcon.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:30:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > i just bought a large organ and ripped the ticky drum machine out of it....I > was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to trigger the individual sounds > via metal pads - yes yes - i get this idea from early KW....it's still a > great idea. I've already located little metal pins that are each of the > sounds. Thanks to all the geniuses of energy!!! I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. If you want to trigger the sounds by hitting the pads with something, you could use two thin sheets of flexible metal, fixed very close together so that normally they don't touch but when you hit them they touch briefly and make an electrical connection. If you want to make the sounds by lightly touching the pads or pressing on them with your fingers, you'll want an electrostatic sensor or pressure sensor and interpretive circuit. Much more complicated and expensive, and the other way is probably better. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 02:44:44 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings On 06-Jul-97 A.D., RoBoten carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Digital recordings": >At 17:08 1997-07-06 +0200, you wrote: >>somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen the >>usual visual signs that show the use of a mac >Nah.. >At Tribal Gathering I saw a Toshiba with something that looked like >Windows >95.. In a small window I saw the graphics that were displayed on the big >screens. Pretty cool! "O tempora, o mores!" - Kraftwerk joining the lemmings... ;) (Leaving for vacation - Gerade aus!) - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:30:26 +0000 From: JPM Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we know it ) Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like some trance dribble typical of the style . Definitely not what one should expect from the boys in Dusseldorf. If it was them ,it is definitley the end of their music career (or at least the part that we all love them for). Lets all just hope it was a typo on the name listing. Oh well , all good things must come to an end (even this letter)............ - -- J, JPM The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama (Please update your links to the one below) http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoders.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:10:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings > Why is it that KW hasn't employed digital recording techniques? They've only released one new studio album since digital recording became prevalent -- I don't think one data point is enough information to plot a trend from! - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 07:40:06 +0200 From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Computer World Songs? Philip Pilgrim wrote: > Hi, > I recently found the "Pocket Calculator" 45rpm with "Dentaku" on the > B-side. > I'm curious to what songs Kraftwerk recorded during the Computer World > > Album that are not on the album but are on singles. As far as I know, every album since Trans Europe/Europa Express has been available in at least three languages (or with at least 1 song in a different language). Kraftwerk uses German, English (well, English with a very bad accent), French, Japanese and Russian (on The Man Machine). Some singles were released with different languages on both sides (Showroomdummies/Les Mannequins/Schaufensterpuppen for example). Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:52:27 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Digital recordings #3 Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became available. The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) metropolis idea I've an idea: I want to redo the soundtrack for the fritz lang movie 'metropolis', using mostly music by kraftwerk. i have a feeling this has perhaps been done before among members of the list, since i haven't been a member of it for that long. i used to like to watch it while listening to the computerworld album, or the mix. and it would be neat to synchronise all the mechanical imagery with kraftwerks' music. anyone who would like to get a tape copy can contact me directly, if they like. stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) metropolis yeah, its a german movie. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:43:38 -0500 From: "wisse e." Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed On Jul 3, 8:46pm, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed > > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany this > year. > > Klaus Zaepke That's great news. Though I have noticed the program on the ZKM site doesn't mention kraftwerk yet. Do you know when and where we can order tickets? Edwin Wisse - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:44:03 +1000 From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) Future Music Julian Seifert wrote: > All, > > I picked up a copy f this month's FM at heathrow airport, and as an > addendum to previous posts, there is also a review of Yamo's 'Time > Pie' > Rather unfavourable, unfortunately. The August 1997 issue of Future Music has a review of the Tribal Gathering event with two nice photos from the show and the issue also includes an interview with Wolfgang Flur with some interesting comments about his Kraftwerk days. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 14:58:21 +0200 From: "gus spencer" Subject: (kw) Intro and opinion Hi, first of all sorry for my english, it's very bad but i'll try to get understood but the menbers of the list. I'm a"young" Kraftwerk menber, maybe because i'm only 22 and i have Kraftwerk records since 2 years more or less, but i don't think that is the problem, it would sound nice to hear Kraftwerk's TEE when i was 3 but it was impossible. Personal Info: gus spencer Age:22 City: Gijon - Asturias (Spain) Fab KW LP: Trans Europe Express Other bands: Spiritualized, Massive Attack, Yo La Tengo, Frank Sinatra, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Faust, Can, Bowie, The Velvet Underground .... By the way, i become a list menber to have news and info about one of my favourite bands, and in the last week all the list is full with topics about Olimpic cancellation, USA against Europe and thinks like that. I like info like new gigs or new album (yes,yes!!!!) or a site to pick a font to write my class works y Man Machine Font but i think that wasting our time talking about peolpe who don't send money for the cd or things like that sound not too much KWish. One silly question, i'm a bike fanatic and i wonder if someone knows if there is a Kraftwerk maillot and hou much is it. Maillot is a ciclyng t-shirt Sorry again for my poor english. Wir sind die roboter - --- Editor Grasa E-Zine http://www.las.es/grasa gus@asturies.org Espacio 3 NetServices # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:10:00 +0900 From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Electronic and OMD Hi! Werkers, Electronic and OMD recorded their albums with Karl Bartos in 1996. Do you know these titles? Please tell me!! Bye! KaoRu # Boku-wa Ongakka! Dentaku Katate-ni, Tashitari Hiitari Sohsa-shite # Sakkyoku-suru. Kono Botan Oseba Ongaku Kanaderu........ [DENTAKU] *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:01:38 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) 'Future Music' I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet... The August issue of 'Future Music' magazine (UK) has a sketchy report on Tribal Gathering; content not worth repeating but with a couple of photos of Kraftwerk live... Also they have a back-page interview with Wolfgang Flur. Doesn't cover much new ground, other than finding out who his favourite Spice Girl is... K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:13:22 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Nothing to talk about.... Hi there all, It is quite understandable why there are so many complaints on this list about the lack of KW info. being posted. If you all cast your minds back a couple of months to May, what were we all talking about? Yes, the event of the year, KW playing live. After this, we still had plenty to talk about as many of us were there, me included, all giving report backs especially on the new song. Now that this has all past, I feel that we are all in a state of depression! All we can look forward to now is the possibility of more live dates in Europe, although I am not sure how many of us from the list will be attending, and release of the NEW LP and the re-issues with extra tracks. As the dates for the record releases seem to be getting put back further each week, this is probably adding to our depression. I feel that there are those on this list which deliver a great deal, even if it is a snipet of info., like Klaus, Nexus, Jules, Rich, Kevin Busby, Ian Calder, ROBOT, etc., etc., etc.,............ So lets stop dwelling on the negative and use ours minds to deliver something positive. Craig You can please some of the people some of the time, But you can't please all of the people all of the time.... Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:23:53 +0100 From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: (kw) Rules of Nature > You can please some of the people some of the time, > But you can't please all of the people all of the time.... Infact you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:45:27 +0200 From: Martin Niedergesaess Subject: AW: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed Hello Edwin, In the following page the Kraftwerk date is mentioned, but on www.ticketsworld.de I could not find any entry about K. http://www.tickets.de/artists/art1.html martin Edwin wrote: > On Jul 3, 8:46pm, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig confirmed > > > > Kraftwerk's concert agency MCT has now confirmed that Kraftwerk will > > appear live in Karlsruhe on October 18th. > > According to MCT it will be Kraftwerk's only appearance in Germany > this > > year. > > > > Klaus Zaepke > > That's great news. Though I have noticed the program on the ZKM site > doesn't > mention kraftwerk yet. Do you know when and where we can order > tickets? > > Edwin Wisse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:07:48 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Man-Machine font. We've been discussing the various fonts used on some of Kraftwerk's albums recently, and just this morning I noticed something that hadn't jumped out at me previously. On the cover of 'The Man-Machine', the letters have that stenciled design that is characterized by a split somewhere in each letter. However, you will notice that the letter "N" in "MAN" does not have this split in it, whilst the "N" in "MACHINE" does. Furthermore, the "A" in "MAN" and the "A" in "MACHINE" appear to be different character widths, suggesting that the lettering was stenciled by hand rather than by using an actual uniform font. Similarly, those of you with the German version of this album will note the same trend, this time with the letter "E". The "E" in "MENSCH" appears unsplit in full form, while the "E" in "MASCHINE" does contain the split down its center. I'm not familiar enough with Russian progressive art from El Lissitzky's period to know if this was a technique often employed in lettering, so perhaps someone else could shed some light on why they may have chosen to present the letting this way. Man-Machine presents a very mechanical and uniform concept, so it seems odd to me that the lettering not follow suit. It could be symbolic I suppose of the man/machine duality, or there's always the chance it could have been a printing oversight as well, but I'm curious to get some other perspectives on it. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir laden unsere Batterie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW and German Language Since I don't speak german, but have heard many instances of it....I was wondering.....most of the people I know who speak german or whatnot tell me that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf say "ish.." I also once asked a german exchange student to translate the "Radioactivity" album and he seemed rather confused by much of the phrasing etc.....?/? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:29:31 -0400 From: Ian West Subject: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample > Technicaly, CD and DAT are quality. Though still not enough. IMHO > CD-audio should have been at least 18 bits per sample at a higher rate > than 44.1KHz. But I could gripe about things like this all night... Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on the back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you only need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. I'm not sure, but I believe the unit of sound (the Bel) was originally set at one tenth of the then assumed human range hearing (10 Bels = 100 dBA). A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. Other bogus features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there just to make you buy the equipment. Essentially CD audio is perfect to our human ears. Lets hope there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:22:54 -0400 From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: (kw) misc 1 The Virgin Megastore on Times Square in New York carries a Kraftwerk Autobahn Picture Disc for about 30$. It was made in Mexico. Any info on that disc ??? 2 Could someone put together a list of the most common Kraftwerk-albums with ballpark figures about reasonable prices for used vinyl, please. I am always so excited, when I see some Kraftwerk I don't have, that I sometimes wonder (unfortunately afterwards) if I just paid too much .... 3 If you put Kraftwerk audio files on your web-sites, please use the MPEG3 format. It is not streamable yet (I believe) but the quality is excellent. Compared to other formats it also offers reasonable file-size. A 3min single can be compressed to a 4 MB file in (almost)CD-quality. Maybe someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site - for the people that did not get it ... for whatever reason. Philipp. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 97 17:41:42 +0200 From: webmaster Subject: Re: (kw) misc >someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site... I'm working on it but not right now. First I have to burn some CDs, but when I'm ready I'll put them on http://kraftwerk.ml.org More info later. /gunnar - ---------------------"You're so close but far away"--------------------- * http://kraftwerk.ml.org News, Files, Links * * webmaster@kraftwerk.ml.org and some Boom Tschak * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:09:33 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Message text written by Ian West >So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...?< I think that is totally unrelated to the sample rate of the sound itself,= merely, the # of bits in the system processor, and the interface slot arrangement. jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #102 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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