From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #103 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, July 8 1997 Volume 03 : Number 103 In this issue: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Re: (kw) Man-Machine font. (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Re: (kw) Hello All!!! Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we know it ) (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... (kw) KW's Computers Re: (kw) Digital recordings Re: (kw) Nothing to talk about/Flame Wars (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Re: (kw) Electronic and OMD Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 RE: (kw) Electronic and OMD (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... (kw) Question (kw) The real Tour De France (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Re: (kw) Intro and opinion Re: (kw) Question Re: (kw) misc Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Re: (kw) Question Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:20:33 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Ian West wrote: > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? We don't! Those so called "32-bit" sound card are actually called "something 32" because they're supposed to have a 32-voice MIDI wavetable synthesizer. While there are some truly 18-bit or 20-bit cards, those are the most expensive pro and semi-pro models, and usually cost several hundred dollars. |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:45:44 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Man-Machine font. Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > However, you will notice that the letter "N" in "MAN" does not > have this split in it, whilst the "N" in "MACHINE" does. Furthermore, the > "A" in "MAN" and the "A" in "MACHINE" appear to be different character > widths, suggesting that the lettering was stenciled by hand rather than by > using an actual uniform font. > Similarly, those of you with the German version of this album will > note the same trend, this time with the letter "E". The "E" in "MENSCH" > appears unsplit in full form, while the "E" in "MASCHINE" does contain the > split down its center. If you look at the word "Kraftwerk" on the Man/Mensch-Ma(s)chine album and its related 7" and 12"es (Robots, Model) you will find that the two "R's" are different as well. The first "R" has ha little... oh, how could I explain this? Check your sleeves instead :-) /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:14:57 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Dear Werkers!! Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography? Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff. Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden E-Mail: silverup@algonet.se or robotronik@rocketmail.com ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Peektime viewing blown in a flash, as I burn into your memory cells# ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:21:00 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Hello All!!! At last, something fresh on this list ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:31:42 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 silverup@algonet.se (Uffe Silverup),internet writes:=20 =20 >Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography?=20 =20 >Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff.=20 =20 Try: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/discogra.htm=20 =20 at Klaus Zaepke's online library ! ! !=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:40:36 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on AMP ???? (or The end of the world as we know it ) >Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like >some trance dribble typical of the style . Definitely not what one >should expect from the boys in Dusseldorf. If it was them ,it is >definitley the end of their music career (or at least the part that we >all love them for). Lets all just hope it was a typo on the name >listing. What you more than likely saw was the song 'Deranged In Space' by Kraftwelt. They are a tribute band who perform very digilog style pieces. The album 'Electric Dimension' is very good, but the single for 'Deranged In Space' is incredible. True, it is not "Kraftwerkian" to the point of directly emulating K, but all of the elements of minimalism are there. The Amp has played the video where K are turning around a large machine, pluggin things in and out all over. What song was that, I only caught a few moments of the visuals? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:32:55 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: (kw) Re: Cleopatra/Capitol > While on the subject of the Cleopatra re-issues, I find it >appropriate to mention that while CD shopping, I recently came across >a >version of Cleopatra's 'Radio-Activity' CD with slightly different >packaging >than their original 1992 re-issue of this disc. Those of you who >either own >or have seen that one will recall it's green-tinted cover photo of the >original album cover and enlarged 'KRAFTWERK' logo. Well, the new >packaging It is exactly the same as the Black and White version that is currently released. I own the green one and compared it with a friend. The sound quality is too similar to distinguish them. I personally prefer the green for asthetic reasons. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:23:35 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? I have never seen >the >usual visual signs that show the use of a mac (the San Francisco font, >the >typical screen layout etc.), but I don't know why, it seem to me to >have >seen a mac in one of their stages. I could be obviously all wrong >anyway. >maybe it was just an Akai sampler that I see used by many musicians I >know >with a mac sequencer. > >or do they use other types of computers? From the book 'Man Machine and Music' by Pascal Bussy, he states that they use "computers". Hutter has even remarked about the computer controller that each member would use remotely. Somehow, I get the strange impression that they are using either: a) Atari's running Steinburg's Cubase or somesuch. or b) Very propriatary system not unlike Unix in which they have learned to program and modify the software themselves. and finally c) Elektric Music uses Macs as I've heard (is this wrong?) so it is very likely that Kraftwerk uses Macs. d) PC's are not "super" midi controllers... I use one myself, but simply cannot believe that they are as well. : ) Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:59:56 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... At 17:30 06.07.1997 -0600, you wrote: >I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of stick touched the (metal) pad. Bye, Tomasz NP: Panasonic - Paine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:59:52 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) KW's Computers At 17:08 06.07.1997 +0200, you wrote: >somebody know if K themselves uses pc and/or mac? >or do they use other types of computers? Rather interesting. I've thought about this, too. a) They only use computers they've constructed themselves because they couldn't find anything that fits their needs b) They need the perfect machine, so they use workstations from DEC, SGI or SUN c) They use Win95. What?! Yes, it fits perfectly to the style of their album covers or their videos as P.Bussy described it: Win95 contains something old and something new Hmm... maybe my interpretations shouldn't be taken too seriously :) Bye, Tomasz NP: Panasonic - Hapatus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings I could'n't agree more regarding the merits of analog sound and vinyl. There is a presence and sense of three-dimensionality that sounds utterly incredible on a good high end system. I've been saying this for a while on this board, and now, finally, someone else has said it too! Just listen to an LP of Computerwelt or Die Mensch Maschine or a good (original U.S. Vertigo, others) pressing of Autobahn, and you'll hear what I mean--the sound is stunning, awesome, with remarkable detail and subtlety as well as effortless dynamic power. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:24:26 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Nothing to talk about/Flame Wars - -(Craig Land sez:)- > Now that this [TG] has all past, I feel that we are all in a state of > depression. Das ist korrekt! > I feel that there are those on this list which deliver a great deal, > even if it is a snipet of info., like Klaus, Nexus, Jules, Rich, > Kevin Busby, Ian Calder, ROBOT, etc., etc., etc.,............ well, I try.... > So lets stop dwelling on the negative and use ours minds to deliver > something positive. AMEN!! Speaking of "TidBits": yeah, I notice on the M.M cover that 1 "R" in KRAFTWERK has a "serif" and the other doesn't. Uniformity vs. Non-Uniformity?? go figure. Somebody Emailed me and said I should watch AMP because they play KW videos "all the time".*sigh*. I wish that were true! -(Sorry, I was weeding out my old Email and accident'ly deleted a few NEW messages as well. bummer. If anyone has Emailed me in the past few days and received no reply, please write again. I'm having a bit of problems "condensing" my Email folders. 'Taking up too much disk space.)- I know they played Model on AMP a few months ago, but, I missed it, and they played ROBOTS on the night of 24-May-'97, co-inciding with TG. Hm-m-m.... Oh, yeah, Kraftwelt "Deranged in Space" is pretty KooL- but, they ain't KRAFTWERK! BTW: I was contacted a few weeks ago by a guy named Robert Schmeltzer - -(sp?)- asking about compiling some KW videos. He said he lived here in the Eureka, Calif area, and I responded twice, but, he's not answering. If there ARE any Local Listoids, I'd sure like to meet 'em! So, Herr Schmeltzer, if you're on the List, KYTE me, Dude! I wont BYTE. Honest. Oh, if anyone wants a "Flame Wars Report", resulting in Brucie's demise, just ask. It totals 9 printed pages of compiled messages. Yes, it's long- but, it's hilarious! -(I just found out he's 6'4", 400 lbs, with a Fanatcal Fat Fetish! I'm not kidding! Ask for his URL if ya don't believe me.[*GAG-BARF*]. I'll stick with my ROBOT Fetish, thank you!)- Sorry to get "personal" on the List, but, we could all use a bit of levity, eh? Let's keep Positive thoughts! Email me so we can chat about off-list stuff! :] ROBOSMILEY ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:10:37 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... Hi to all Thanks to all the people(Klaus etc.) who found out the info about the Karlsruhe gig and posted it. This is exactly the kind of info we need, and this makes this list very useful. I doubt that anyone of you has heard or read about it somewhere else...this makes it a list-exclusive news item! Ok, this Karlsruhe gig makes me think a little. A lot of people travelled= from far away to see KW at Tribal Gathering, possibly their one and only gig for a long time, = we were led to believe... After revelling in the good press they got from all over the world (I mea= n, even the New York Times sent a reviewer...!) they now announce another gig in Germany.... A= nd maybe later a fully fledged world tour...who knows! If they had announced that before= TG the "mass-hysteria" would have been much more on a smaller scale, I believe. Do not misunderstand me....this is no complaint at all, just a thought of= mine. For my part I enjoyed them at TG tremendously.....and now I might get another change to see them, since Karlsruhe is more or less only a stone*s throw away from me..... = :-) I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons w= e all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? Cheers Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:42:31 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample > Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on > the back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you > only need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. This is not quite true. The human ear resolution is around 120 dB, or 20 bits (Roads, 1996). > A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio > frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect > hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. Also this is not quite true. According to some studies several people hear information in the region around 20kHz and frequencies above 22kHz have impact of both a physiological and subjective nature (Oohashi et al. 1991). A sample rate of 44.1kHz also proves insufficient because it requires that all sounds above 11kHz be nothing other that sine waves, since the harmonic content would exceed the 22.05kHz or Nyquist frequency. As you may recall, the second harmonic of a 12kHz complex tone is 24kHz, which is beyond 22.05kHz, meaning that the sound will not be reproduced as originally recorded. One other problem is that aliasing may occur, but this is an effect prevented by anti-aliasing filters on the dacs. > IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do > oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated > sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". > This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not > reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be > used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. > Other bogus features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there > just to make you buy the equipment. This is not true. Bitstream technology avoids some of the limitations of multibit oversampling, namely the amount of information that is to be processed, by measuring only the differences between successive samples rather than storing the entire sample width. It is possible to obtain results similar to 128x oversampling with bitstream technology, which is something hard to obtain with multibit processing. Also, 18 bits of processing enlarges the linearity of the response, since a 16-bit system is not linear over all its range, and making use of an extra two bits of processing may provide the necessary headroom to guarantee 16-bit linearity. > Essentially CD audio is perfect to our human ears. Lets hope > there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... CD audio is not perfect, otherwise the striving audio industry would not be flooded with 18-, 20- or 24-bit processing, even if in the end all of it is to be downsampled to 16-bits. Also, the quality of CD-audio is only a matter of taste, subject to everyone's demands; it is quite an experience to hear a good vinyl recording on a high-end system. A CD of the same work, even if heard on a high-end system, is quite behind in aural pleasure. Best regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:18:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Ian West wrote: > Believe it or not 16 bits is good enough. If you have perfect > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on the > back of an envelope (log(10^(96/20))/log(2)) it turns out that you only > need 15.95 bits per sample to achieve 96 dB of dynamic range. I'm not 16 bits is certainly good, but I think the recording quality should slightly exceed what we're capable of hearing. Some people's ears are better than others. > A sample rate of 44.1 kHz is enough to represent audio > frequencies up to but not including 22.05 kHz. Again with perfect > hearing you might hear up to around 16 kHz if you're lucky. I could hear much higher when I was younger. I can still easily hear 15+ KHz, because I can hear television sets' horizontal retrace. But suppose your dog is an audiophile? It would notice the difference a higher sampling rate makes. ;) > IMHO, the best CD players to look for are those that do > oversampling (4 times, 8 times etc.). Oversampling is when repeated > sound samples are played back at a higher rate to "fill in the gaps". > This means that repeated images of the audio sprectrum are not > reproduced immediately above 22 kHz which allows an audio filter to be > used that distorts the audio below 22 kHz much less. Other bogus I didn't know that. But instead of repeating the same sample, why don't they interpolate between the two main samples? > features like bit streaming, 18-bits and so on are there just to make > you buy the equipment. I'm told that the ones with 1-bit DACs are the best. True? > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? Aren't they just stereo 16-bit with a PCI bus? I love my sound card. I have a Gravis Ultrasound. Up to 14 channels at CD quality, 32 at reduced sampling rates. Hardware mixing so it doesn't eat up CPU time. It has its own memory bank for samples, and does interpolation on sounds sampled at less than 44.1KHz. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:23:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Thomas Morper wrote: > >I don't know how KW did it, but here are two ways you might want to go. > > I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the > drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't > "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of > stick touched the (metal) pad. Yeah, the original poster pointed that out. We've gotten into a private exchange about his drum machine project. Funny I didn't think of that the first time. It makes much more sense. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:41:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Paulo Mouat wrote: > > hearing the dynamic range (the ratio of the loudest sound to the > > quietest sound) of your ears is 96 dB. With a bit of arithmetic on > This is not quite true. The human ear resolution is around 120 dB, or > 20 bits (Roads, 1996). It's still a generalization though. It's good when you're young, and degrades as you get old. > A sample rate of 44.1kHz also proves insufficient because it requires > that all sounds above 11kHz be nothing other that sine waves, since the > harmonic content would exceed the 22.05kHz or Nyquist frequency. I hadn't though of that. Very good point, though those harmonics would mostly be out of the hearing range. > CD audio is not perfect, otherwise the striving audio industry would not > be flooded with 18-, 20- or 24-bit processing, even if in the end all of > it is to be downsampled to 16-bits. Also, the quality of CD-audio is Does anyone know if a standard for DVD-audio has been established yet? Given the capacity of the disks, even at single-density, I would think we'd be able to get truly excessive quality with the same album length. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:18:37 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... > I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their >aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons we >all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? Agreed, by far the definitive masters of musical mystery, only to be outdone by their music itself. I think it'd be great that KW play in Karlsruhe even though I'm all the way over here in New York City. The more shows they play, the more hope I'll keep alive that I still might get to see them someday!! Then life will be complete. :-) - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Sogar die gr=F6ssten Stars..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic and OMD Electronic's 1996 release, 'Raise The Pressure' credits Karl Bartos on keyboards. more specifically, Karl is noted as having co-wrtitten the following tracks from this release: track 1 : forbidden city track 2 : for you track 5 : until the end of time track 7 : if you've got love track 12 : how long track 13 : time can tell personally, i don't like this cd. it's a little too, um, organic (for lack of a better word) and overly-seasoned with 'gospel' -sounding back vocals, and a bit too much guitar. it doesn't include the type of mechanistic precision one would expect from a collaborative effort from bartos. but that's only MY 'opinion', for what it's worth. hope this helps. (sorry, i don't know anything about karl's contribution to omd's '96 release). ta! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:40:33 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-07-07 04:12:37 EDT, you write: > ><< > Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became >available. > The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. >>> > >what was it? I can't say offhand, but I remember reading about that info in an issue of Tower Records' "Pulse!" magazine years ago. If I see the cover, I'll remember it. I do distinctly remember the date. It was some nasty guitar rock, and I don't listen to traditional rock music at all. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:56:23 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: RE: (kw) Electronic and OMD Hi all, >hope this helps. (sorry, i don't know anything about karl's contribution to >omd's '96 release). Karl Bartos contribution to last OMD album "Universal" is only for one track, THE MOON & AND THE SUN... It=B4s a good pop song with guitars and traditional percusi=F3n but include too some melancolic synthetic chords that remeber me to KRAFTWERK (IMHO). I like this song. Regards. Rafa deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:25:25 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Hello again, Talking about collaborations... Some years ago (1991?) I heard that Karl Bartos was working with LFO. Anybody in the list knows something about that interesting collaboration? Thanks in advance! Rafa deckard@arrakis.es http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:28:34 +0200 From: Leon Mols Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I was told). Leon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:53:24 -0700 (MST) From: SeJ@asu.edu Subject: (kw) Question Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It was o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually listened to it. Haven't hit the record stores it quite some time, it gets too damn hot here in the summer to even go out in yer car sometimes. thanks... . * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:50:33 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) The real Tour De France ** Lycos Europe Provides Navigation For Most Comprehensive Tour De France Web Site Premier European Internet navigation center company Lycos-Bertelsmann Inc. unveiled its joint effort with multi-media company World Media Live as VeloCity focuses minute-by-minute coverage on the Tour de France bicycle race. The cycling super site is found at http://www.worldmedialive.com/velo . I bring this up for 2 reasons: 1.) This "seems" like a better site than what Kraftwerk's site linked to ( http://www.letour.com ). 2.) Tour De France paraphenalia and a CD-ROM called "The Tour Saga" is available for purchase. Which leads me to the next question... I wonder if clips of KW's TDF is on the disk? mmmmm Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 16:16:03 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Hi 'Werkers, I'm afraid but I seem to have difficulty in listening to Ralf & Florian's words. :-( I mean, when they played "Radioaktivitaet" in Tribal Gathering 1997, they spoke some message right before the musical track. I'm really curious what they said. I can only identify some keywords such as "radioactivity", "eighty five" and "skin cancer." Could any one of you please help us and tell us what they said? 8-) Thanks in advance, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:04:08 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Intro and opinion >One silly question, i'm a bike fanatic and i wonder if someone knows >if there is a Kraftwerk maillot and hou much is it. >Maillot is a ciclyng t-shirt Yes, that would be great to have! I'm new into cycling myself. As I understand, Hutter wears typically all black gear. Is that still true? Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:53:32 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Question >Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It >was >o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second >volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually Perhaps what you had was 'Transwerk Express'? There is a second volume, here is the track listing: Intro, Airwave, Ruckzuck, Man Machine, Sex Object, Tour De France, Numbers, Pocket Calculator, Komentenmelodie. I personally like the first one better, although these are very creative reditions as well. If anyone is interested it's CLP9904-2, Hypnotic records, a division of Cleopatra. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:33:51 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) misc >>someone could actually put up Nexus' CD on his/her web site... > >I'm working on it but not right now. First I have to burn some >CDs, but when I'm ready I'll put them on http://kraftwerk.ml.org I'm new to this newsgroup. What is Nexus' CD all about? Do you sound like, or are inspired by K? Are there samples available for d/l anywhere right now? Thanks. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 04:16:04 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Message text written by Leon Mols >Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be= available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I was told).< Werkers, Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to Karlsruhe.... hehe. I'm sure I'll get the arrangements made perfectly, then R&F will cancel......... Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:24:18 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 At 04:16 PM 7/8/97 +0900, Hiroshi MURATA wrote: > >Hi 'Werkers, > >I'm afraid but I seem to have difficulty in listening to Ralf & >Florian's words. :-( > >I mean, when they played "Radioaktivitaet" in Tribal Gathering >1997, they spoke some message right before the musical track. >I'm really curious what they said. >I can only identify some keywords such as "radioactivity", >"eighty five" and "skin cancer." > >Could any one of you please help us and tell us what they said? 8-) > >Thanks in advance, > >Hiroshi. > The text is: "Sellafield Two will produce seven-point-five tons of plutonium every year. One-point-five kilogram of plutonium make the nuclear bomb. Sellafield Two will release the same amount of radio-activity in to the environment as Tsjernobyl every four-and-a-half years. One of these radio-active substances, Krypton eigty-five, will cause death and skin-cancer." Think about it. Laterz, Statik. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:28:31 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Question Or could it be the 'All In A Days Werk', with tracks by Eskimo's In Egypt etc? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:29:31 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Julian scribbled: > >Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? > Yes, I'd REALLY like that! Where's that T-Shirt making guy again?? Let's get together and see what faces are attached to the names of the listmembers! Laterz, Johan. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 01:18:32 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration >Talking about collaborations... >Some years ago (1991?) I heard that Karl Bartos was >working > with LFO. Anybody in the list knows something > about > that > interesting collaboration? From: All Music Guide "Releasing their bass-heavy debut "Frequencies" CD in 1991 to universal acclaim, LFO were silent for the next five years, with rumors of a follow-up surfacing from time to time failing to produce anything. Reportedly working with early Depeche Mode member Alan Wilder and Karl Bartos of Kraftwerk (none of that material's ever seen light), LFO finally resurfaced in 1995 with the ironically titled "Tied Up," followed several months later by Advance. The group have also recently remixed tracks for Bjork and the Sabres of Paradise." Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #103 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-kraftwerk": subscribe kraftwerk-digest local-kraftwerk@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "kraftwerk-digest" in the commands above with "kraftwerk". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. 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