From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #104 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, July 8 1997 Volume 03 : Number 104 In this issue: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) KW and German Language Re: (kw) Question Re: (kw) KW and German Language Re: (kw) KW and German Language (kw) People who sample kraftwerk (kw) CD: How old can you grow Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... (kw) cd degrading quality (kw) AMP ???? Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax (kw) added images (kw) OFF: Tangerine Dream mailing list (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) AMP ???? Re: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk (kw) Yamo Re: (kw) The function of this list Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample (kw) re: digital recordings Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:06:34 +0200 (CES) From: unhj@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Harald Westphal) Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... According to Julian Seifert: > Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and > what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in > California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to > Karlsruhe.... Have a look at the official web pages of the city of Karlsruhe, especially the page "Arrival at Karlsruhe": http://www.karlsruhe.de/Stadtraum/Tourismus/anr_en.htm - -- Harald Westphal *** eMail Harald.Westphal@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de - -- "Am Heimcomputer sitz' ich hier, programmier' die Zukunft mir." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 13:04:27 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Still on the "are 16 bits enough" debate I'd like to say that despite having listened to some very good CD players, most of my best aural experiences have been had with analogue turntables, wich are only dwarfed by open reel decks with master tapes (anyone wanna give me a Revox?). CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today will sound worse in a few years whereas vinyl will, again with the best care, remain the same. It's a pity they degrade so fast by use though. Anyway there's no way I'll part with my Linn... Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:07:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Rui Inacio wrote: > Still on the "are 16 bits enough" debate I'd like to say that despite > having listened to some very good CD players, most of my best aural > experiences have been had with analogue turntables, wich are only I can't honestly say I've heard a top-notch record player, but I prefer CDs. > CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate > even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today But they're plastic-coated. How can that be? /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:27:27 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >A CD you buy today >will sound worse in a few years What are a few years? I heard of that too, but have not noticed anything = about that. I expect the technology to be outdated and not available = anymore (10 years or so) and the medium still to be ok. That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the = medium still lives. Take 10 year old floppies, take the 8track, take syquest 44 MB media or = wait two years from now and take a look at syquest 270 MB medias. All = will still function in 10 years or so, but you have no player to use = them... So, let my CDs die in a few years and I am shure, I will get something = superior, which will last another 20 years or so. Ok, I see your point, if treated in a good way, records will work for a = longer time, but then again, in 10 years or so, buying a record player = will be very expensive... regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:45:14 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language At 11:15 07/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf >say "ish.." maybe this is because Ralf want to sound polite. i'm Italian so I should not pontificate over it (and I wait for confirmation from the .de listies), anyway I lived for a while in Berlin and some of my relatives are very well proficient in german. I was told that the most elegant pronounce is the one that say "ish". in Berlin they say "ick", but this is sometime considered unpolite, think about it like "yes" and "yeah". Berlin accent anyway is not considered very well amongst purists, as well as southern germanic speaking zones accents. I refer just what I'm told, no offence to anyone! :-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:26:50 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Question On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:53:24 -0700 (MST) SeJ@asu.edu writes: >Awhile ago I bought a tribute to Kraftwerk, can't recall the name. It >was >o.k. nothing to get too excited about. But I was told that a second >volume came out, wondered if any of you had heard about it or actually > >listened to it. Haven't hit the record stores it quite some time, it >gets >too damn hot here in the summer to even go out in yer car sometimes. >thanks... > > . > > * what u have is trancewerk express I, and yes, trancewerk express II is out on cleopatra...but, i disliked the first one so much theres no way in hell id get the second...sorry... tom w np: afx - classics # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:20:11 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language Whether polite or not: the german word 'ich' is generally pronounced neither 'ick' nor 'ish' but in a way that is hard to describe, especially without being able to use some phonetic characters. Just think you have to cough or a pain in your throat, this probably gets into the direction of the 'ch'... :-) In south germany many people might say only 'i' [ee:] and I doubt that one should consider one pronounciation as more polite than another one. Actually, there is a variety of german dialects that makes the people who pronounce like the words are written look like another dialect minority (sorry for that, all you folks from Hannover...). That Ralf pronounces 'ich' like 'ish' (although I think he says 'ich' on 'Taschenrechner') I suggest is coming from the dialect that is spoken in and around Dusseldorf. Er, how did I get to this topic? Aye, me some smart-ass! ;-) tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:33:21 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) KW and German Language At 11:15 07.07.1997 -0400, you wrote: >most of the people I know who speak german or whatnot tell me >that "ich" is pronounced closer to "ick" than "ish..." yet I only hear ralf >say "ish.." Despite their perfectionalism KW sometimes can't get rid of their nice little accent that lets "ch" sound like "sch" - that's why you only hear "ish" Bye, Tomasz NP: - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Memory3@aol.com Subject: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk Since we have been discussing Karl Bartos a bit here I may add that he did a remix of the kraftwerk ripoff "planet rock". I have now heard kraftwerk samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika Bambaata (planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, Future Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone have any to add to this list? Ted # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 14:45:15 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) CD: How old can you grow > What are a few years? This question has been discussed in the Hi-Fi world for some years now without everyone agreeing. I'd say that it depends also (and a lot!) on the quality of the materials used. I have a few CDs that are about 12 years old and although our... how shall I call it? Aural memory (?) can be tricky they sound harsher and bass is lighter now. > I expect the technology to be outdated and not available > anymore (10 years or so) and the medium still to be ok. > That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the > medium still lives. > Take 10 year old floppies, take the 8track, take syquest 44 MB media or > wait two years from now and take a look at syquest 270 MB medias. True, but remember that in the world of consumer electronics things don't change THAT fast. The average citizen will not buy it (no pun intended). > So, let my CDs die in a few years and I am shure, I will get something > superior, which will last another 20 years or so. Ok, but I find that annoying. What about all those rare collectable CDs we have? We may be able to convert them to whatever format comes along but among other things that spells extra costs. > in 10 years or so, buying a record player > will be very expensive... It is already, because most of what is available are the good (read expensive) ones, and that is understandable, I mean, if I wanted to buy a turntable now I'd go for the best possible because that would surely be the last. Rui Inacio P.S. About that Revox... I'm still taking offers... anyone? ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:03:36 -0400 From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >>A CD you buy today >>will sound worse in a few years > >What are a few years? I heard of that too, but have not noticed anything >about that. A few years must be more than 11 or 12. At least that's how long it has been since I bought my very first CD (Computer World). I take very good care of my CD's and records. My experience is that CD's are a bit better than vinyl. (Emphasis on 'MY EXPERIENCE') Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally the same although I may not have the best hearing. On the other hand, vinyl usually has the cracks and pops with the collection of dust and scratches. I won't argue which is better sound wise, that definitely comes down to personal taste. Since the market (in the U.S.) is flooded with CD's and they are easily used in your auto, home, in a walkman, etc., I will stick with buying a CD over vinyl. I won't get rid of my turn table or my records. I still like to listen them when I have a chance. Besides, there are things you can only get on vinyl. Ralph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) LFO and Karl Bartos collaboration i just looked back at my copies of 'frequencies' (which was in fact released 1991), and 'advance'...no karl there. but since you mentioned it, it does ring a bell with me. seems like i remember a rumor that bartos was working with LFO at some point...hm. if you find out anything, let me know! ta. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:24:23 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) drum machine help me..... >> I think the original "KW-Drums" were even simpler than this. As the >> drum-sticks had cables coming out from their ends they propably weren't >> "ordinary" sticks but part of a circuit that closed when the (metal) top of >> stick touched the (metal) pad. I am sure of this because this is the first ever image of Kraftwerk I ever see. It was the video of Radioactivity playing on the national Italian tv channel in a show of very unusual things. and this image really struck me because in that period I was 14 and was playing a lot with those simple electronic construction kits, older smart friends were radioamateurs, and instaed of homepages they'll show you that special postcards they send between themselves to confirm they heared you transmission. then again, I thought (and I still think), there should be something in the playback, because how can you obtain the modulation of the white noise that sound just after the song's main theme (the pizzicato riff) by just scratching a metal surface? you eventually could produce scratching distorted song, like the descending scale of the song just before Antenna... :-) in the same period I bought a little booklet about simple electronic musical devices form a series of do it yourself in electronic (maybe the german listies will know it because the authors were all german) in which it was explained, amongst other things, how to build a simple monophonic keyboard with heavy copper wires hanging over those large head nails you use in the leather chair... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:24:36 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) cd degrading quality >CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate >even if you don't use them & take good care of them. A CD you buy today >will sound worse in a few years whereas vinyl will, again with the best are you sure about that? I don't want to doubt your words, and I have never listened a very good hi-fi nor I have a first class auditive sense, anyway I have very old cd and they seem to play very well... I remember to have read some like that, expecially concerning the future of data stored on cd-roms, but they were talking of much longer time than some year... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:24:40 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) AMP ???? >>Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like what is Amp? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:24:38 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >That is, what always happens to storage devices. Player is gone, but the >medium still lives. I can agree with you mex, anyway vinyl is a notably exception: I remember to have listenend to vinyls from the first time I can recollect my memories, now I'm 33, I am sure people was listening to them even before :-), and I just went shopping with a friend that's an hi-fi freak to buy a turntable... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:34:46 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl>:- >The text is: > >"Sellafield Two will produce seven-point-five tons of plutonium every year. [...] >Think about it. People already did: Sellafield 2 was cancelled! Kevin PS Sellafield 1 remains, in this otherwise very beautiful area of Britain. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:09:01 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >I take very good care of my CD's and records. My experience is that CD's >are a bit better than vinyl. (Emphasis on 'MY EXPERIENCE') From 'my experience' with these mediums and also an added dose of my own personal aesthetics thrown in for good measure, I am inclined to agree with your point of view regarding vinyl vs. CD. >Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust >on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally >the same although I may not have the best hearing. On the other hand, vinyl >usually has the cracks and pops with the collection of dust and scratches. As far as durability and duration goes, my vote definitely goes to CD hands down. I've never owned a CD which suffered from scratches or skipping, and perhaps I'm lucky in that regard. On the other hand, I remember the first time I played my brand new vinyl copy of 'Trans-Europe Express' (just out of the cellophane) and the first 20 seconds of "Europe Endless" contained clearly audible pops and crackles which disturbed the overall listening experience, particularly since that track starts out so quiet to begin with. >I won't argue which is better sound wise, that definitely comes down to >personal taste. As far as quality and sound are concerned, I'd be hard-pressed to pick favorites. I can definitely appreciate the warmth that vinyl has to offer, often causing a track to bring new life to a song which had only been listened to on CD prior. I remember when I heard "Radio-Activity" for the first time on the vinyl medium and I was moved to hear how big and rich the metallic industrial snares boomed through the speakers. In my opinion, this is where the CD really does falter. While the CD delivers a much cleaner and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. >Since the market (in the U.S.) is flooded with CD's and >they are easily used in your auto, home, in a walkman, etc., I will stick >with buying a CD over vinyl. I won't get rid of my turn table or my >records. I still like to listen them when I have a chance. Besides, there >are things you can only get on vinyl. Good point. I'll keep my two turntables as well, or at least as long as they continue working. :) However, one negative thing about vinyl from my experience has been that not all turntables operate at exactly the same speeds. For instance, I have a Magnavox stereo/turntable in my studio that plays records slightly too slow. It's more noticeable on some tracks than others, but definitely annoying. I also own an old Dynavox stereo/turntable which plays things at what would appear to be the appropriate speed, while a friend of mine has one that plays records just a tad too fast. Even audio cassettes experience this speed problem, based on the stereo/walkman the tape is being played in. CDs don't have this speed discrepancy, which makes them a bit more appealing to me. When the music industry decides that CDs are old hat and it's time to move on to a new and more advanced medium, I'll be somewhat irked at the thought of having to collect the music all over again. Sure I'll keep all my old KW vinyl, cassettes, and CDs, as well as their respective playing devices, but damn what a task it'll be to start all over again from scratch! The price of being a collector is high indeed, but that's something I imagine KW fans know all too well :-) - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We're charging our turntable..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:26:08 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax My additional comments on the vinyl vs. CD thing, is that when I have auditioned CD's which are remastered from original analogue sources in high end systems, the results are not pleasing at all. I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' (acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. Remember the better quality turntable you have, the better the quality arm and cartridge you will have. This means that the needle will dig deeper into the groove extracting more information. Another must for any serious vinyl collector is a good record cleaning turntable and anti-static soft plastic sleeves, rather than using the original paper or card (don't throw the originals away though!) In a word or two, I suppose the best recommendation for those with revealing systems is to try and purchase original vinyl through the various collectors shops rather than put up with the hiss on the CD's. Oh, and by the way, CD's do jump, I have had many a Cd that jumps, and it has been nothing to do with the alignment of the laser! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:58:18 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Craig Land wrote: > > My additional comments on the vinyl vs. CD thing, is that when I have > auditioned CD's which are remastered from original analogue sources > in high end systems, the results are not pleasing at all. > > I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' > (acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten > thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the > original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. > > Remember the better quality turntable you have, the better the > quality arm and cartridge you will have. This means that the needle > will dig deeper into the groove extracting more information. Yeah, but: Good turntable capable of getting past the hiss and so forth = $700 (that's what I last saw for a 1200mk2) CD player that'll play CDs: $100. Sure, it ain't "high-end" but you're not going to hear *much* more difference between a high-end system and a lower-end one. The lower-end ones will skip a bit more, have colder DACs, but really, it isn't going to be that bad. I've listened to a CD on a multi-thousand-dollar player and my own $200 changer and I can only hear a bit of difference. I've listened to my vinyl on a good player and my $200 turntable, and there's a world of difference. A world of difference an average working stiff like me just can't afford. As for the life-span of CDs, well, older CDs do have some problems with degradation over time (but then tell me all your 45's from the 1960s are still in perfect condition :) but most manufacturers have gotten around that. Heck, some of the CD-R blanks I buy are guaranteed to hold data reliably under normal usage for 100 years. Vinyl is still a semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but still, on a CD the difference between a 1 and a 0 is not going to be screwed up by a few years of being hit by a laser (maybe a few decades...we'll know in another 20 years or so) As far as I'm concerned, CDs sound "good enough." They may lack the warmth ov vinyl, but they're easier to store, easier to carry, sound fine on cheap equipment, are generally good sounding, are pretty sturdy (I was able to play most tracks on one I played frisbee with), they're easier to find, can be played by my computer when I'm at work and feel like tuning out the drone of my co-workers, stack nicely on shelves, I can track-scan a CD without scratching it, A CD can hold 75 minutes of music on a single disc, I can master my own music directly onto a CD that I can play in any player using recording equipment I can buy for less than $500... Things I miss about vinyl: Big cover art, and the ability to scratch. Wax looks cool. Colored vinyl is really spiffy. Glow-in-the-dark vinyl is even spiffier. Owning vinyl these days impresses the hell out of your friends. It's just convenience for me. I've got 15 CDs in my bag that I lug back and forth to work and listen to during the commute. Can't do that with a chunk of wax. And having CDs, despite any percieved quality limitations, is a lot better than having nothing at all. - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:14:31 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) added images Hello and keep on the good conversations ! ! ! =20 =20 I just added five images to my KW-page if anyone is interested.....=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Comments and things to add to the page are always welcome!=20 =20 - ----- - -- - -- -- - -- - - -- - - --- - - - - ---- - -- ---=20 - --- -- -- - --- - =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:03:16 -0400 From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu Subject: (kw) OFF: Tangerine Dream mailing list > I'll love to subscribe also a Tangerine Dream LIst... Does someone knows > about that? Send your subscription request to tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:33:04 -0700 From: "M. K." Subject: (kw) Mime-Version: 1.0 He is correct. It was in 1978 and it was Ry Cooder. Of course the album was only released on vinyl, but it was recorded digitally. Some sources state that Fleetwood Mac's TUSK album was first. That was also recorded in 1978 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:40:33 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 >On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) ManMachn2@aol.com writes: >>In a message dated 97-07-07 04:12:37 EDT, you write: >> >><< >> Actually, KW released 3 albums since digital recording became >>available. >> The first digitally recorded rock album was released in 1978. Peace. >>>> >> >>what was it? >I can't say offhand, but I remember reading about that info in an issue >of Tower Records' "Pulse!" magazine years ago. If I see the cover, I'll >remember it. I do distinctly remember the date. It was some nasty guitar >rock, and I don't listen to traditional rock music at all. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:40:05 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >I remember trying to listen to a track by Japan called 'Ghosts' >(acoustic version) on CD through a very hi-end system, well over ten >thousand pounds worth, and the hiss was unbearable. When I put the >original vinyl on the turntable, the difference was outstanding. Perhaps that has something to do with the master tape that the CD was dubbed from. My copy of 'Man Machine' has unbelievable hiss and crap on it, but I understand that the master tape that Capitol records has isn't very good. The best CD results that my friends have gotten is to dub a CD from the vinyl pressing... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:35:47 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) AMP ???? >>>Is it my imagination or did I see Kraftwerk on amp. It sounded like > >what is Amp? The Amp is a show on MTV that play the "other" videos: dance song videos that they feel cannot be played during normal business hours. You will see groups like K, Daft Punk, Chemical Bros., Tranquility Bass, Kraftwelt, blah, blah, blah... It's possibly worth keeping MTV pre-tuned into my TV just for this show. The people who make the interum messages and The Amp logo are quite good as well. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:29:11 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) People who sample kraftwerk >remix of the kraftwerk ripoff "planet rock". I have now heard >kraftwerk >samples by the following groups.....Information society, Afrika >Bambaata >(planet rock), LA Dream Team, Hooverphonic, Anything Box, Biz Markie, >Future >Sound of London, Chemical Brothers and even a local rap group. Anyone >have >any to add to this list? Dear.... there are literally thousands out there. Most of the current Miami bass sound, almost all west coast rap (ie Techmaster PEB and such) - - just about every black rap group from the eighties! ; ) They made a huge impression on the black music scene in the states (that's where they really got their fist club-play - mixing K into other forms). My personal favorite rip-off artist is Professor X... It's so damned cheesey-sounding when you hear K's 'Computer World' slide into Janet Jackson's 'Escapade'. Well, those were the eighties... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:20:58 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Yamo Not being one to take music press record reviews as gospel, could any list members tell me if they've heard the new Yamo album and what they think of it? On a similar note, this week's Melody Maker describes the forthcoming Mouse On Mars album as "...packed to the hilt with the kind of melodic electronic noodlings that Kraftwerk would be proud..." After witnessing MOM live a few weeks ago, I get the impression that it will, indeed, be quite special. - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) The function of this list I used to enjoy that effect too, until someone stole my tape deck. Avoid parking your car at LIRR train stations! (I'd say their security was a joke, but that would erroneously imply that they actually had security, evidence of which I've never seen.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Digital recordings #3 I'm pretty sure it was a Ry Cooder album; can't remember the title. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 20:36:32 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe Gig..... At 04:16 08.07.1997 -0400, you wrote: > >Message text written by Leon Mols >>Info on how to get tickets for the 18/oct/1997 Karlsruge concert will be >available in about a week on http://www.ticketworld.de (at least, so I >was told).< > >Werkers, > >Could somebnody give an idea where exactly Karlsruhe is in Germany, and >what is the closest airport, I will be returning from a holiday in >California on 17th Oct, and I might be able to extend it, and detour to >Karlsruhe.... > >hehe. I'm sure I'll get the arrangements made perfectly, then R&F will >cancel......... > >Hey, eurodroids, what abaout ACTUALLY having a meeting this time?? > >Jules > Hi All ! I didn=B4t want to be too ( ahm.. ) obtrusive, but if you like I would try t= o organize a meeting and mybe could be trying to get in contact with some hotels e.t.c .=20 For all of you that are interested in it - send me an email and I=B4ll try t= o make the necessary arrangements. Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:47:10 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) RE: 18 bits per sample Lets hope > there aren't any cats or dogs on this mailing list... God damn... you discovered me ! > > So why do we have 32-bit sound cards...? > Because intensive computing on sound samples require more than the 16 bits for audio output - otherwise, the least significant bits get lost on every computation and some distortion is added to the output signal. For instance, let's say you have to make several successive add / substract / multiply / divide on decimal numbers and that you remove the decimal part of the result at each step of the computation. That way, the final result (integer in that case) would be slightly different from the thoretical one (with decimal part). jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) re: digital recordings I think the Ry Cooder album was "Bop Till You Drop"... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:52:39 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Subject: Re: (kw) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:53 +-200 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:43:59 +0100 From: jbv To: Mats Kadmark References: 1 , 2 > silverup@algonet.se (Uffe Silverup),internet writes: > > >Could someone please tell me where to find a "Complete" discography? > > >Including official stuff as well as bootleg stuff. > > Try: http://home.t-online.de/home/Zaepke/discogra.htm > > at Klaus Zaepke's online library ! ! ! I just checked that page and find what I think is a little mistake. It's about the bootleg from the 81 tour, at http://super.win.or.jp/~blanks/boot03.html the one named "ENREGISTREE LIVE A L'OLYMPIA" (recorded live in Olympia). I remember that the July 6 1981 show in Paris didn't take place at the famous Olympia concert hall, but at a disco / dancehall called CAPTAIN VIDEO, near Place de la Concorde, not too far from the Eiffel Tower. BTW, as they were doing TEE, when the Eiffel tower appeared in the video displayed behing them, the audience bursted into joyfull screams. That show was a very good one. (I personally think that the 81 tour was far better than the 91 tour). Back then, they used 4 huge video monitors which offered more crispy graphics than the Barco used 10 years later. I think I remember also that the tour was a bit delayed and the rumors said that it was because they were expecting those video monitors from Japan and that they had technical problems with them. Those monitors were giving the on-stage kling-klang studio a far more retro look, something closed to Dr Mabuse laboratory... I also remember that Bartos (or was it Flur ?) still used the electric drum sticks. One of these 2 guys also used another machine which looked like a "table" with sliders on its top side. Moving the sliders seemed to triger / untrigger sequences. As they were doing HALL OF MIRRORS, something went wrong with that machine, and an engineer came from backstage (in the middle of the song) to fix it. I remember that the problem with that gear was noticeble in the music. i didn't hear the above mentioned the above mentioned bootleg. Could anyone tell me if anything like that happens ? I also remember that a mutitrack tape recorder was running backstage, apparently recording the show... (no, I wasn't invited backstage, I just saw it in a glance as the engineer rushed from backstage to fix the problem without closing the curtain). OK. That's enough for tonight. Grand father is getting tired. Time to go to sleep, kids... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #104 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-kraftwerk": subscribe kraftwerk-digest local-kraftwerk@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "kraftwerk-digest" in the commands above with "kraftwerk". 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