From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #106 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Wednesday, July 9 1997 Volume 03 : Number 106 In this issue: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians (kw) Good Werk boys & girls (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians (kw) El Lissitzky (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? (kw) Recycled Vinyl Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? (kw) Recycled Vinyl Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Professor X Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians (kw) KW Thoughtexperiment Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Re: (kw) re: digital recordings Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Re: (kw) KW on vinyl Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! (kw) Alliance? Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? (kw) Can they read us ?? (kw) CD technology (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Re: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Re: (kw) CD technology See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:51:47 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they only released two LP's as well. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:47:39 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Still regarding the CD Vs. Vinyl debate I must say I'm impressed by the balanced opinions showed by you fellow Werkers. Hats off to you. This is a subject which I've been discussing for years but usually getting extreme / radical / biased opinions. > > CDs have one problem that most people are not aware of: they oxidate > > even if you don't use them & take good care of them. > > But they're plastic-coated. How can that be? The plastic coat it's very very thin. Even the smallest scratch will damage it. Also I've heard that sometimes the paints used for labeling the CD react with it & affect it. > Even though I take excellent care of them, I still get scratches and dust > on both mediums. The difference I notice is that the CD sounds generally > the same Don't forget that if the player cannot read correctly from the disc it will try to guess! > I just went shopping with a friend that's an hi-fi freak to buy a turntable... What did he/she get? > I have a Magnavox stereo/turntable in my studio > that plays records slightly too slow. If it's a belt drive machine it means the belt has too much slack / is slipping. > CDs don't have this speed > discrepancy Not so obviously anyway. Good point that. > I've got 15 CDs in my bag that I lug back > and forth to work and listen to during the commute. Can't do that with > a chunk of wax. I remember when I was a kid there was this "portable" turntable that looked like a giant burger where you slipped the record in like many of those in-car CD players of today. Needless to say that although you could move while it was playing the pressure being put on the player arm/needle was so much that it ruined the record after only a few plays. Still it was the great-grandfather of the discman. > My copy of 'Man Machine' has unbelievable hiss and crap on > it, but I understand that the master tape that Capitol records has isn't > very good. The best CD results that my friends have gotten is to dub a > CD from the vinyl pressing And with some adequate PC & software you remove some or all of that noise. > People who sample kraftwerk > Anyone have > any to add to this list? There's a track by Shamen called "Oxygene Restriction" that seems to contain samples by K, or at least it tries to sound like them. I haven't heard for a while so I not sure. Sorry for the long post. Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:30:24 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls Message text written by INTERNET:rui.inacio@fc.siemens.pt >And with some adequate PC & software you remove some or all of that noise.< Agreed, a good peice of noise removal software is D.A.R.T. pro. Also available is the noise plugin for Soundforge. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:33:08 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians Message text written by INTERNET:cland@acl.memec.com >Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their = anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were = American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they = only released two LP's as well.< Yes, they released two I think, although this thread seems to miss one small point. there could be thousands of groups who can claim anonimity purely through the fact that nobody buys their records! Kraftwerk however= , have maintained this status as well as being a well known name. Just a thought, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:34:34 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! Message text written by Bill C Talley >You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with your life!< hehe. Maybe the next KW album will be beamed live from the pathfinder!!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:47:01 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians >> I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining their >>aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the reasons we >>all love them so much.... Anybody agree???? > >I disagree. I think the title goes to The Residents. While we do have >quite a bit of information about who Kraftwerk are and their history, >The Residents are completely unknown (and still manage to tour!) > >Marco Yeah, right on! The Residents have released albums and toured extensively for more than twenty years now, without revealing their true identities. On the other hand; Kraftwerk is a more "popular" band which probably sell more records, earn more on touring etc. This makes keeping oneself anonymous even harder, even if the would like too. There have been numerous bands and artists who have tried the anti-publicity route to success. The Residents and Kraftwerk are to my knowledge the most beneficial. Kraftwerk through revealing almost nothing and The Residents through revealing smokescreens of informatione and pure nonsense. If anyone is interested in what the hell The Residents are all about check out http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~tzoq/Residents/ Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:41:16 +0200 (MST) From: Thomas Weckert Subject: (kw) El Lissitzky A bit off-topic, but I recently found an excellent web page about El Lissitzky's artwork: http://giotto.bgsu.edu/pilot/projects/el/ Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:46:39 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? a few years ago I read about a turntable that used... guess what: a laser to read vinyl. However the results weren't very impressive particularly if you take into account that it was supposed to be an expensive Hi-End piece of machinery. > I've been told many times that the quality of vinyl itself > has a big influence on the sound quality. For instance, most > japanese pressing use first-hand vinyl, which means vinyl never > used before for anything. > On the contrary, some factories use second hand vinyl (vinyl from > previously pressed records and processed in some way to be > re-usable). The worst times for vinyl buying were when the industry started to decline. As factories saw their profits go down they resorted to all kinds of tricks to keep costs low, the most usual one being recycling the stuff. >I wish I had the $$$ to buy a Goldmund Reference turntable. That makes two of us. > All of a sudden it struck me: There's an uncanny resemblance between > >the alien > >in the Roswell autopsy video and the now hairless and old Florian > >Schneider!! > >Spooky. > > You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with > your life! ; ) Ripley is coming back soon to kick some more alien butt. Someone please, please tell her to leave this particular alien alone! At least until the new album comes out... ;) > "Mastered By Nimbus" has no meaning for me anymore... Maybe it should read "Mastered By Numbs" instead... ;) Now since we've been discussing it, a little KW fun: If Kraftwerk were a turntable or a CD player what would they be? My guess: Turntable-Goldmund Reference CD player-a model from Roksan that a friend of mine has that somehow looks KWish. Cheers, Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:07:41 -0400 From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: (kw) Recycled Vinyl >The worst times for vinyl buying were when the industry started to >decline. As factories saw their profits go down they resorted to all >kinds of tricks to keep costs low, the most usual one being recycling >the stuff. I have two or three vinyl albums that you can hear the music already starting a couple of seconds before the real music starts. The music is real faint and can be heard just before each song. The funny thing is that the faint music is the actual music of the album. I wonder if that is from re-using the vinyl or something to do with when they mastered it. I won't even get into the weird stuff that cassettes do. Ralph # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:05:44 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax lbo wrote: > > >>semi-destructive medium. Play a 12" enough and the needle is eventually > >>going to wear down the groove. Sure, you'd have to play it a LOT, but > > somebody think it would be realistic a sonar-like device that read the > tracks of a vinyl without mechanically interact with them? > Sony marketed a laser needle for a bit in the 80's but I seem to remember it being really expensive. And it was really sensitive to record warping because it couldn't track as well or something. A friend of mine got his hands on a prototype or factory reject or something a few years back, and it worked ok...still sounded like a record (it picked up the dust and scratches the same way a needle did) but it wouldn't destroy or scratch the vinyl itself. - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:08:27 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? If KW were a turntable they would have to be the definitive reference model, the one which all other manufacturers copy and try to improve on.................the SME Model 30. It's the most expensive, like some of KW's rare material, it can be used with different arms, like the band itself with different members coming and going, and you only see it in rare instances!! CD player, well I am not too sure what the equivolent is, but it would probably be something like a Waida........you decide. Regards, Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:17:18 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Recycled Vinyl Message text written by INTERNET:ralphm@mindspring.com >I have two or three vinyl albums that you can hear the music already starting a couple of seconds before the real music starts. The music is real faint and can be heard just before each song. The funny thing is tha= t the faint music is the actual music of the album. I wonder if that is fro= m re-using the vinyl or something to do with when they mastered it.< No, much earlier than that. Those albums must have been recorded on analogue equipment. The pre-amble you can hear is caused by leakage to th= e tape erase head while the reel-reel is recording. As the erase head is positioned before the recording head, you get a faint overlap. I found th= a beat way to stop this was to de-magentise every time I rewound the tape. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:25:14 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax >> While the CD delivers a much cleaner >> and precise recording, there is an inevitable coldness that prevails which >> lacks a certain "emotional" or "organic" quality. > >What, coldness and lack of "emotional" or "organic" quality? In a >Kraftwerk record? Are you kidding? ;-) :-) Of course it may sound contradictory at first, but I think a common misconception regarding Kraftwerk's music is that it is all meant to be as "mechanical" and "robotic" as many of the concepts themselves. I find that this is not always the case however. Tracks like "Spacelab", "Airwaves", "Neon Lights", and "Europe Endless" (to name but a few) finely exemplify how an oscillator can breathe warmth and emotion into a piece of music which might otherwise be considered "cold" and "unfeeling". Granted, these observations are made on a personal basis and are in accordance with my own aesthetic scale. The fact that KW have been able to bring "life" to electronic music has always been one on the main facets which caused them to stand out *for me* amongst all others in the vast realm of electro-music as the shining Radio Sterne that they are! :-) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Und wenn die Nacht anbricht ist diese Stadt aus Licht." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:41:36 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax Just a slight point which I have not mentioned on purpose, and that I am surprised no-one else has mentioned is the matter of 'perfect cut vinyl'?! This is still available and I own some records of this nature, the best one being a double Jazz LP, the sound is absolutely breath-taking! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:39:54 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Professor X >>>> My personal favorite [KW] rip-off artist is Professor X... <<< >You mean the leader of the Blackwatch movement? "This is protected by >the Red, the Black, and the Green..." What about the message???? It's >time to wake up and get some knowledge! ALL the Blackwatch-produced >albums are fucking brilliant--he's no KW rip-off, he's a socially >conscious, >Afrocentric teacher! Which cut was it for the record???? Peace. Ummmm, ah... What? Well, please don't take offense to this man, but I don't have a clue as to what you just said. I got the tape because it had the words "kraft" and "computer" and "tech" in the song titles. Each and every "song" on the tape were nothing but Kraftwerk with popular music groups sampled over. I'm not sure that we're talking the same language here, because there was no "message" that I'm aware of. The "rap" was vocoded descriptions of a guy turning on his computer, dancing and producing the most tech sound. Crap, nothing "socially conscious" about what I had. We must be referring to two seperate Professors. "Visualize whirled peas". Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 11:54:58 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:51:47 +0000 "Craig Land" writes: > >Now that Marco has mentioned artist which out-do KW in terms of their >anonymity, does anyone remember the group Klaatu. I think they were >American but no-one ever knew who they were. I am pretty sure they >only released two LP's as well. >Best Regards, > >Craig. they were germans i thought...part of the "krautrock" (god i hate that term) scene...cleopatra is releasing a series of compilations of this genere and they're on it...ill check my vinyl 2nite and hopefully remember to post some more info.. tom w np: third rail - south delta space age # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:40:32 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians To me it's perfectly reasonable to call The Residents a "mysterious" band since they have tried hard, and succeeded with keeping their identities unknown. But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By reading articles about them, interviews with them and the Bussy book about them, you will get to know most of what there is to know about them. Unlike The Residents, we know their names, we know about their families and we know about their education. Like most pop-bands they give several interviews for both radio and magazines when it's time to promote new material. They are not particularly secretive during those interviews. They do live concerts even when they have no new album to promote! They are regularly reported to be seen at different clubs. What could one expect to find out about them? Of course there are more information about the persons behind Kraftwerk. But is this information in any way useful? I mean, we all know quite much about Ralf's favourite sport beeing cycling. Who knows if the Spice Girls like aerobics or jogging best? I get the feeling that Kraftwerk's low release-pace - with it's inevitably accompanying long periods of silence and false rumours - is interpreted as "mysticism". And I cannot see in what way the band or the bandmembers themselves contribute to the picture of them as "mysterious". The only connection I see between Kraftwerk and The Residents is that The Resident's often collaborate with Snakefinger who once made a cover of The Model. Regards Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl In a message dated 97-07-09 01:06:22 EDT, you write: << he Man-Machine', which tends to suffer from a lower overall volume mix and greater noise component than the others, but as someone else mentioned before, this is most likely due to the master tapes of 'Man-Machine' themselves. >> interesting.....i always thought that "radioactivity" had the most noise....much more than my copy of MM..... personally - i like it on RA!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians What about The Residents.....no one knows who the hell they are.......:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) KW Thoughtexperiment KW as "industrial folk music": Ever notice how much "Europe Endless" sounds like a polka? It could be re-arranged-- a tuba for the bass synth, clarinets and accordion for the sequencer, and yodeling for the synth solos. KW on the Lawrence Welk Show... (Naahhh, the bubbles would get into the circuitry.) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl The German vinyl version of "Die Mensch Maschine" is wonderful sonically, with the American LP a slight notch behind. That's one of the biggest problems with CD remastering--the medium itself has the potential for excellent fidelity (the digital vs. analog debate aside), but so many CD re-issues are plagued by poor re-mastering, often using second (or worse) generation tapes instead of the original masters and so on. Also, it seems that many mastering engineers cannot resist the temptation to "improve" upon the vinyl originals with heavy-handed EQ, overly boosting the highs so that the tape hiss becomes more apparent/annoying, or overly boosting the lows so that the overall mix sounds too thick and bloated. (On the other hand, many original vinyl issues benefit greatly from remixing and/or remastering--witness the recent CD re-issue of Iggy and the Stooges' "Raw Power!" A good cassette copy of a good vinyl pressing can sound far better than a lousy CD re-mastering. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) re: digital recordings Yep, that was it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Radioaktivitaet Lyrics on TG97 On Long Island, where I live, they were supposed to build the Shoreham nuclear power plant, but never did, due to unbelieveable incompetence on the part of all concerned with its construction. It cost us taxpayers billions in wasted money, and to add insult to the proverbial injury, we also have to pay untold millions more to have the abominable thing dismantled! But you know what? I'm really glad they never got the thing up and running! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax I assure you, you won't have a problem with treble response with a good turntable/arm/cartridge setup. In fact, some moving coil cartidges are, to my ears and others', too bright-sounding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians I remember "Klaatu." Don't like the music, but used to stare at the album cover all the time, as it was owned by my former employer, HP of The Absolute Sound, and was part of his LP collection. In fact, it's on the TAS "Super Disc" list of great-sounding LPs (as is Kraftwerk's Autobahn). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:16:44 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) KW on vinyl ><< he Man-Machine', which tends to suffer from > a lower overall volume mix and greater noise component than the >others, but > as someone else mentioned before, this is most likely due to the >master > tapes of 'Man-Machine' themselves. >> > >interesting.....i always thought that "radioactivity" had the most >noise....much more than my copy of MM..... personally - i like it on >RA!! Nope, my copy of 'Man Machine' has much greater hiss than 'Radioactivity'. I'm also taking into consideration that what it does sound like is a limiting and compression problem. 'Radioactivity' was reproduced alright, 'Man Machine' sounds like it had a corrupt master to begin with. The true example being 'Spacelab'. Directly after the hatch-closing sound, an enormous hiss is immediatly recognizable. There is an ambient track being performed throughout the song, but it only begins after the q-tip drums. That afore-mentioned hiss is bad reproduction. Also, sound seems to drop out at certain points all over the CD. This makes me assume that it's the master tape that Capitol got. 'The Robots' intro is very hissy, but it's not a harmonic one which again leads me to believe that it was the either the master and/or the equipment used to reproduce it on CD. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:01:52 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! >>You have found our little secret out. Now you will pay for it with >your life!< > >hehe. > >Maybe the next KW album will be beamed live from the pathfinder!!!! You are not too off either... Remember the Hubble Space Telescope? Well, Kraftwerk attempted to broadcast through it (with the help of NASA sympathizers). Unfortunately, the sub-sounds couldn't be handled appropriately by Hubble's current audio setup and thusly made those target-refraction mirrors shake violently. Poor Hubble became a useless disco-ball in orbit. The mutual embarrassment of Kraftwerk and NASA would have been too great, so they blamed it on the main lens. Bill ps - Now, not a WORD to Kraftwerk... They'd kill us all, you know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:30:18 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Alliance? After just paying a visit to CDnow online (www.cdnow.com), I noticed that they list Kraftwerk's 3 compact discs from their Capitol period ("Radio-Activity", "Trans-Europe Express", & "The Man-Machine") that they carry in stock as belonging to the ALLIANCE label: RADIO-ACTIVITY ALLIANCE 76218 46474 2 TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS ALLIANCE 76218 46473 2 MAN-MACHINE ALLIANCE 76218 46039 2 What further complicates things is that they clearly list the 3 Cleopatra discs as separate from the Alliance ones (with "Radio-Activity" being the only Cleopatra disc of the 3 aforementioned still in stock), yet the .jpg image for the cover of the Alliance "Trans-Europe Express" is the exact same cover as that of the actual Cleopatra re-issue for T.E.E. The only current English-language compact discs of these 3 albums that I knew of were the Capitol ones and and Cleopatra re-issues. Anyone know what "Alliance" refers to? - -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net "We're standing here...exposing ourselves..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:39:21 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: > while having a superb system and sound enhances the listening > experience, what ultimately counts is the _music_. ten million > dollars' worth of technology will do nothing for michael jackson. Then why bother going to the concerts? Buy the CD instead, and listen to the music on your car stereo... - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:16:01 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Melting vinyl with a laser? Rui Inacio wrote: > Now since we've been discussing it, a little KW fun: If Kraftwerk were > a turntable or a CD player what would they be? > My guess: > Turntable-Goldmund Reference > CD player-a model from Roksan that a friend of mine has that somehow > looks KWish. Wot? Only if it is that Roksan model that looks like a piece of machinery taken from a submarine... but somehow it reminds more of U96 :-) - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 22:17:23 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Can they read us ?? Hi all ! I was wondering if any of the KRAFTWERK guys read our messages .... Don=B4t know. It was just a thought I had last night after several beers. ( not to be taken tooooo seriously ) Cheers, Prost, Skol, ... Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page under construction age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:23:21 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) CD technology Can anyone tell me what a "multi-session" CD is? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:29:00 +0200 From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) Bits Vs. Wax my experience regarding cd vs. vinyl is i can hear a clear sound with a good definition when i play c. world. on vinyl. whereas the sound is all mixed-up when i play the cd. by the way, this vinyl copy has 16 years and the sound degradation is not noticeable. i agree that sound quality is a question of personal taste, but i feel that the kw music is the perfect one to hear with as much quality as possible. a beat here and a subtle bass there, etc. it is *they* who worked on the piece to sound like that up to the last detail. it is simple and very complex at the same time, if you know what i mean. i only experience that sensation when i play my vinyl on the linn turntable. with other kinds of music, a good equipment doesn't do any harm, but it's not so important, there are not so much "hidden" and subtle details as in kw's music. now that there's this talk about vinyl, i have some vinyl (7, 12, lp) for trade/sale. i think it's on uffe's kw. markplatz http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:31:01 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians >But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By well, try to ask to the average popstar for an interview. if you come from an important newspaper, s/he will be very glad to give it. if s/he does not care, the press agent will get angry with him/her, "you stupid, it's all publicity for us!" sometimes are the same popstar who search for coverage, and the "personnage" created and wrapped around them is served with any dressings, as we say in Italy. think to Skunk Anansie, or Sinead Oconnor... all this "young rebels" so functional to the music market... you obviously don't see this kind of behavior from Kraftwerk. there is another important point. Kraftwerk, like, in some sense, the early punk movement of 77 (this is not a thought of mine but i agree with it) focuse their attention on the tools they use to make music. everybody could strum a guitar, leave apart Led Zeppelin or Eric Clapton solos. everybody could tune his oscillator. so it's easier for us "tricky" people (I don't know if this is the right word, in Italy we say "smanettoni", that means peoples who like to see what happen when you touch all the knobs and buttons) to project ourselves in them, and it's natural we give particularly attention to what they could think, notwithstanding the fact that they call to be just good workers and not artists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:54:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Good Werk boys & girls On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Rui Inacio wrote: > Still regarding the CD Vs. Vinyl debate I must say I'm impressed by the > balanced opinions showed by you fellow Werkers. Hats off to you. This is > a subject which I've been discussing for years but usually getting > extreme / radical / biased opinions. I've noticed those things too. The semi-anonymity of the Internet makes it easier to spout radical opinions. I think the recent events surrounding the Olympic CD have taught us all to be a little more polite. > The plastic coat it's very very thin. Even the smallest scratch will > damage it. Also I've heard that sometimes the paints used for labeling > the CD react with it & affect it. That's too bad. It's easy to accidentally scratch a CD. > > CDs don't have this speed > > discrepancy > Not so obviously anyway. Good point that. Though you can get CD players with speed control and "DJ scratch" ability. I understand they're hideously expensive. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:12:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD technology On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > Can anyone tell me what a "multi-session" CD is? Peace. All I know is that a CD which is recorded in more than one sitting - ie, not all at once - is multisession, and is usually not fully readable by older CD-ROM drives. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! 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