From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #108 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Saturday, July 12 1997 Volume 03 : Number 108 In this issue: Re: (kw) DVDs Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax (kw) Re: New releases Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: (kw) Very Interesting Re: (kw) Very Interesting Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD (kw) CD durability Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: RE: (kw) New song at TG Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: (kw) CD durability (kw) Deleted Mails (kw) RE: re: DVDs/video standards (kw) Can your hear me ok? (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Re: (kw) CD durability Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: (kw) DVDs (kw) Country codes DVD and CD (kw) _Techno Style: the Art of Cover_ prefaced by Karl Bartos! Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD (kw) New KW vinyl? RE: (kw) Deleted Mails (kw) kw and vinyl RE: (kw) Deleted Mails Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed (kw) Re: Proffessor X again! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:06:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Miguel Angel Esteban wrote: > > According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six > > recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in one > > of six zones around the world. No word on whether or not DVD-R disks > > will be internationally compatible. > > WHaaaaatt?!?!?!?! > I'm completly disagree with this. Who is the pesponsable on that??? The DVD Consortium. A number of big electronics and media companies. The reporter who wrote the article that I posted about is David Lazarus. I wish he had mentioned his sources. I may have to do some research of my own to see if this isn't just sensationalism. > > That means we non-Europeans won't be able to listen to German DVD > > recordings of KW, should we be able to get them. :( > :-(((((((( I tend to agree with that sentiment. /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:54:05 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:14:30 +0200 >From: >Subject: (kw) New releases >Does anyone know when the new releases from KW will arrive?? Who knows! I heard the new album will be released in September...but it could also be next year...or in two years... Georgie - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:33:50 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Bits vs. Wax Marco DuBose wrote: > > > Uh..the range of human hearing may be a technical fact but no two people > will have the exact same range. That's why it's subjective. > > Marco > Nope. Sorry again. Two people can have different hearings, but I still don't see any subjectivity in it, since measurements can be done of their respective ear response. May be if we speak of listening training (instead of hearing), which would include musical education, listening habits, etc. this would make more sense... But please remember that basically I do agree with you, the only discussion topic being the choice of accurate examples to illustrate the discussion... cheers jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:50:33 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Mysteriours Musicians >But I don't understand in which way Kraftwerk is "mysterious". By >reading articles about them, interviews with them and the Bussy book >about them, you will get to know most of what there is to know about >them. Sure, but the total information Kraftwerk has released in twenty odd years equal the amount of information bands like the Spice Girls reveal in a week. >What could one expect to find out about them? Well, more info on upcoming events and their current activities would be nice. >I mean, we all know quite much about Ralf's favourite sport beeing >cycling. Who knows if the Spice Girls like aerobics or jogging best? I don't know and I don't care. I'm interested in their music and want to know more about new releases, tours and related material. I have full respect for people who are interested in the more personal info but I'm not. >I get the feeling that Kraftwerk's low release-pace - with it's >inevitably accompanying long periods of silence and false rumours - is >interpreted as "mysticism". And I cannot see in what way the band or the >bandmembers themselves contribute to the picture of them as >"mysterious". I agree, but isn't their low release-rate a conscious move you think? >The only connection I see between Kraftwerk and The Residents is that >The Resident's often collaborate with Snakefinger who once made a cover >of The Model. Yes, unless Ralf & Florian are part of The Residents! (this was a poor joke not meant to be taken seriously). Residents doesn't collaborate with Snakefinger any more due to his demise some years ago. But he did one hell of a cover with The Model. Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:06:46 +0100 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Just thought I'd add that country codes are nothing new to DVD. Actually = there is a flag for a country codes, barcodes, copyright information and = even a copy enable/disable flag on the existing CD format. The existing = format even supports a sort of primitive noise suppression emphasis = flag. Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for = CD plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for = the old CD ! Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how = many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's = on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a = few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer = does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying = TD in the first place !!! ) Ciao from Mike ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:02:16 +1400 From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) Very Interesting On 1997-07-11 RoBot@abc.se said: >Have anyone noticed that there is a www.kraftwerk.li?!? (.li for >Liechtenstein) >It's the same pages that can be found at kraftwerk.com.. They may have taken all "Kraftwerk" domains in every countries. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:34:31 +0200 (MST) From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) Very Interesting On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Par. wrote: > > On 1997-07-11 RoBot@abc.se said: > >Have anyone noticed that there is a www.kraftwerk.li?!? (.li for > >Liechtenstein) > >It's the same pages that can be found at kraftwerk.com.. > > They may have taken all "Kraftwerk" domains in every countries. > And what's with www.klingklang.de, www.klingklang.com tec. pp. ?? Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:39:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Mike Morgan wrote: > Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for CD > plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for the > old CD ! Dang. That would have been cool. But you'd need a computer to display the pics and text - nobody's going to build a CD player with a screen on it. > Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how > many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's > on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a > few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer > does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying > TD in the first place !!! ) > Ciao from Mike ! I still don't buy it. The CD you bought might date from before the technology was perfected. Now, I can see the plastic degrading and subsequent corrosion of the metal if the CD were left out in the elements, but if you keep it inside in its case it should last for centuries. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:51:40 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) CD durability "In the first days of july CD-owners were startled by an announcement concerning the durability of their CDs. The British firm Nimbus had published test-results saying CDs will lose their information after six to eight years. The reason for this phenomenon is obvious. The chemicals used for the label-printing penetrate the protection layer and corrode the aluminium. Also tiny cracks in the protection layer could expose the metal to oxidation. In both cases the consequence would be a loss of reflectionability of the lands. So more and more CDs would only contain zeroes, the information would be lost, no matter whether it was music or computer-data. Till now there is no proove for these tests. Other CD-producer's statements saying that this publication is just a marketing trick may be right as Nimbus could be interested in degrading the quality of standard CDs. Nimbus' production facilities are specialised for producing silver or golden CDs, these would be the solution for the oxidation problem, as far as it even exists. All in all the infinite durability is dubious. But it will be seen if the situation is really that dramatical." [ATARImagazin 4/89, translation by me] Bye, Tomasz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:19:45 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD >On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Mike Morgan wrote: > >> Only it is not usually used. It's a pity as the spec, extended for CD >> plus even allowed graphics and text to be added to audio tracks for the >> old CD ! > >Dang. That would have been cool. But you'd need a computer to display the >pics and text - nobody's going to build a CD player with a screen on it. Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? >> Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how >> many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's >> on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a >> few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer >> does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying >> TD in the first place !!! ) > Ciao from Mike ! > >I still don't buy it. The CD you bought might date from before the >technology was perfected. Now, I can see the plastic degrading and >subsequent corrosion of the metal if the CD were left out in the >elements, but if you keep it inside in its case it should last for centuries. Some CD's are made with holes right through (Japanese-manufacturers seem to use this method more often. If you hold it up against a bright light you can see right through it. This is not degradation but the way these CD's were made. Also Mobile Fidelity (American company doing high-end pressings) use this "drilling" technique. A friend of mine has a Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" CD with brown spots under the plastic. The noise level has marginally risen on these parts. I guess this is what was once described as CD-rot in the HI-FI press during the early 90's. Also, I have a CD which I almost never play. It's been on a shelf for years untouched. When I took it out some weeks ago there was bubbles in the plastic all over the CD. The sound quality is terrible now. The music is overshadowed by a constant hissing sound. If anyone has tips on taking care of CD's it would be appreciated. If not of gebneral interest please mail me privately. Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:17:54 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: RE: (kw) New song at TG Rikard@LAPPOWER.SE: >Cool.. What about their performance at Tribal Gathering, was there any >new stuff?? Yeah, they played one new song. I found the following text about the new stuff in the internet: I believe at this moment some people thought the concert was finished, but after previous breaks all decided to wait. And surprise... or should i say the moment that everyone expected in this concert: sounds that begun to play were unrecognizable, what's this? a new song? Then the four Kraftwerkers came back in pretty strange and cool suits: black with green fluorescent grid modeling their bodies as a 3D wireframe model on a computer. I know they used these suits during the Mix tour too. But the song, what's this? public was really hesitating, some of them seemed disappointed. In fact it was a fast and simple melody with big beats and thick electronic wave repeating a dozen of notes. All along there were little familiar effect sounds and i believe Ralf H=FCtter was playing some nice string chords in background. By the way Ralf really paid attention to the public, scanning it with his cold eyes for our reaction. Then we made some signs of encouragement and applaused in the middle of the song. So atmosphere became more decontracted and everybody danced on this strange melody that finished with a succession of large string chords, quite good. (=A9 Timour Jgenti) Georgie - --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 97 12:43:00 EDT From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD lars.bull@macforum.se said ; >Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it >to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that >states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? I think these can be played on an old Commodore CDTV and possibly on a CD-G player that Radio Shack produced a few years ago....... Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:27:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Lars Bull wrote: > Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it > to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that > states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? Is this in relation to Apple's Firewire project? It's rumored that they're working on using a universal cable to connect all appliances. The same cable would carry power and digital audio/video and network packets. > A friend of mine has a Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" CD with brown spots > under the plastic. The noise level has marginally risen on these parts. I > guess this is what was once described as CD-rot in the HI-FI press during > the early 90's. I have seen that. Looks like plastic degradation to me, but I could be wrong. > Also, I have a CD which I almost never play. It's been on a shelf for years > untouched. When I took it out some weeks ago there was bubbles in the > plastic all over the CD. The sound quality is terrible now. The music is > overshadowed by a constant hissing sound. Manufacturing defect. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:30:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Thomas Morper wrote: > Nimbus could be interested in degrading the quality of standard CDs. Nimbus' > production facilities are specialised for producing silver or golden CDs, > these would be the solution for the oxidation problem, as far as it even exists. Hmm. I thought all regular CDs were silver and CDRs gold. What else could they be made of? Tin? Aluminum? - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:42:19 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Deleted Mails Hy, I just deleted 70 mails without reading them because the topics (dvd?, = vinyl, and other boaring stuff) are so bad, they are not worth reading = them. Just wanted to let you know.... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:31:57 -0400 From: Ian West Subject: (kw) RE: re: DVDs/video standards > About different video standards: it's actually possible to watch PAL > (European standard except for France) videos on NTSC TVs using a PAL VCR > with a voltage converter. What you have to do is adjust the vertical hold > (to change the frame rate) and the vertical size (to squinch the picture > down to fit on the screen). Some newer TVs don't have those controls, > though, so in that case I dunno what you would do. It also works for > computers that output PAL and NTSC video (like my Amiga 1200 :-)), but it > doesn't allow you to record PAL tapes onto an NTSC machine or vice versa... If you are lucky and the horizontal and vertical controls on your TV can be adjusted enough this may work, but you will not get a color picture since the color information is encoded in fundamentally different ways between PAL, NTSC and SECAM (France). You may also get a negative picture if the luminance signal is inverted. Finally you may not get any sound since the offset in frequency of the sound subcarrier varies from country to country. However you should be able to identify the recording on the tape. People who try to receive long distance television signals have TVs with adjustable sound subcarrier filters and can invert the signal and/or sync pulses as required. I brought a PAL TV and VCRs from England to the US. I was warned that the different line rates (60 Hz vs 50 Hz) from the power outlets would mean they would not work. However, I have had no trouble at all, but some cheaper equipment may be dependent on the line rate. It is possible, especially in the smaller European countries to pick up multi-standard VCRs and TVs. These will not allow you to convert tapes but you can watch tapes recorded in different standards with full color and sound. Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:01:51 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) Can your hear me ok? > I don't like to use dolby noise reduction because it > seems to truncate the high end. Playing a tape with the Dolby on is only a good idea when the tape was recorded with Dolby on too. Some compression of treble is to be expected anyway, particularly with Dolby C. > I have a friend who is an audio engineer and talks about > once setting up a studio to broadcast just enough so that the musicians > could hear it on their car radios in the parking lot. If it didn't sound > good in the car, then it wasn't good. I'm a video editor and we > frequently will do a final mix through a small television speaker > because that's what they have at home. It's a good practice, but we were talking about absolute sound quality & Hi-Fi. > I'm perfectly happy with $65 earphones. I wish I was too. It would save me a LOT of money... > > > >>A CD you buy today > > > >>will sound worse in a few years > > > > >> > > Rubbish After such a brilliant technical explanation I can only IMHO say that I stand corrected... ;^P > Uh Oh ! Wait a minute ! I didn't actually write this, I was just > quoting. Exactly! I said that. On the DVD subject... > It seems to me all you have to do is get your hands on a > player from each country, and you can pirate anything you want. Maybe that won't be necessary at all. Take DAT as an example. Most of the machines that are destined to home use have the copy protection circuitry. But I've seen some pro models that don't. Guess which ones do the pirates have... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:50:06 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover > No, what you listen is whats on the inner groove. Those records must > have a really bad pressing with very shallow & thin grooves, probably > even a little bit distorted by the adjacent grooves. So what you are > actually getting is a preview of the next song... This isn't even physically possible. The phemon described is just simple tape print-though caused by poor storage of the masters. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:52:37 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability >> Nimbus could be interested in degrading the quality of standard CDs. >> Nimbus' production facilities are specialised for producing silver or >> golden CDs, these would be the solution for the oxidation problem, as >> far as it even exists. > > Hmm. I thought all regular CDs were silver and CDRs gold. What else > could they be made of? Tin? Aluminum? Your average run-of-the-mill CD uses an aluminum reflective layer. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:52:55 +0100 From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD In message , Lars Bull writes >Actually there were plans to make CD-players with connectors for wiring it >to a TV. I have the Fleetwood Mac CD+ "Behind the Mask" with an insert that >states it will be out "soon". Anyone seen one? The Atari Jaguar games machine has an add on CD unit, that allows you to play CD based games, audio CDs and CD+G discs (audio CD + Graphics). I do not own any CD+G discs, so I am not able to report what they are like :-( Thats all... Simon - -- Simon Daw - esteem simon_kraft@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:56:31 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs >> According to Wired, the issue is settled. The solution is to use six >> recording formats, each of which will work only with players sold in >> one of six zones around the world. > > I'm completly disagree with this. Who is the pesponsable on that??? The movie studios, who said "give us this feature or we won't release our movies on DVD". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:00:45 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD > Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how many > holes you can see right through it. Hold a *new* one up to the light. This is just poor quality control; the holes are caused by dust contamination in the manufacturing process. If they're there, they're there from the day the disc is manufactured. Most of the time they don't affect the sound quality of the disc; that's what error correction is for. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:55:19 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) _Techno Style: the Art of Cover_ prefaced by Karl Bartos! - -(Nexus asked me to pass this on....)- A new book is out, it's called "Techno Style: the art of cover". It's a beautiful book that sums up the best cover art of techno albums. The preface of that book is written by our dear friend Karl Bartos. I don't remember the publisher but I'll look into it. General price is £9.99. - -(When Nexus finds the Publisher, etc, I'll relay the info.)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:02:27 +0200 From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Hi, - ---------- From: Mike Morgan To: 'kraftwerk@xmission.com' Subject: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD Date: vrijdag 11 juli 1997 11:06 [Stuff deleted] [Finally CD's DO wear out. Hold an old one up to the light and see how many holes you can see right through it. I bought some of the first CD's on the market. One of them by "Tangerine Dream" plays erratically with a few pops and clicks that never were there before. The metallic layer does corrode but very slowly. ( some of you may say justice for buying TD in the first place !!! ) Ciao from Mike !] Around 1985, I bought both some Kraftwerk CD's (The Man Machine, nr. CDP 7 46039 2, ADD recorded, TEE and RA) and the Tangerine Dream 2CD Dream Sequence. It was about 12 years ago. The Man Machine _is_ stil perfect, and no holes ;-). I had to exchange the TD CD's in the shop twice, because it was jumping tracks. And indeed even then I noticed that there were holes in the CD, probably made by scratches which appeared both on the "smooth" side and the label side and in a regular pattern. The scratches on the label side were the cause of the holes. I think it was a factory fault... Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:29:22 +0200 From: Mario Laros Subject: (kw) New KW vinyl? Hello to you all, This is my first message to this list. I am already subscribed to the digest version of the list for a short period now, and have been following it via ftp since several years. I'm mainly interested in obtaining new info on KW though this list, instead of actively participating (especially since I do not have a lot of time for this). I'm a KW fan since 1978 now, altough I knew them from 1974's Autobahn already. I have most of their albums on vinyl and all their cd's, but unfortunately no video's. However I was lucky enough to see them perform live in 1991 (Utrecht, Holland) and in 1993 (Gent, Belgium). OK, now for the main reason of this message: About 2 weeks ago an article appeared in a local newspaper about the art of vinyl in the old days (that is the album covers). It was written because of the appearance of a book called '1000 Record Covers' (containing sleeve pictures) and the 100th aniversary of record company EMI (which has a big CD manufacturing plant over here). Now the article said that to celebrate this, EMI will rerelease about 40 vinyl albums in their original cover completely with lyrics, posters and stuff that came with it. One of the albums named is AUTOBAHN, which is to be released in october. The price of the albums is supposed to be be about $20-$25 (in Holland). A problem will be to find a place to buy them though, as most of the shops only sell CD's. Bye now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From : Ing. J.M.W. Laros (Mario) DIMES - Delft University of Technology Feldmannweg 17, 2628 CT Delft P.O. Box 5053, 2600 GB Delft The Netherlands Phone : +31 (0)15-2787197 (office) +31 (0)15-2788317 (cleanroom) Fax : +31 (0)15-2622163 E-mail: laros@dimes.tudelft.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:15:37 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) Deleted Mails >Hy, > >I just deleted 70 mails without reading them because the topics (dvd?, >vinyl, and other boaring stuff) are so bad, they are not worth reading >them. >Just wanted to let you know.... > > >Oliver It's true it's getting really boring... Hope ends soon... ;) I am very interested in Karl Bartos' input on kw music- being computerwelt my fave album, it's logic, and I've found so short info on that. Anyone agrees it would be a nice article for a webpage (maybe it's already done...). Fermin np (this is a good idea otso): dr octagon- "biology 101" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:32:48 +0200 From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) kw and vinyl have you noticed there are two turntables that can be seen in two of the pictures of the bussy book (uk edition)? one seems to be a hi-end turntable besides a hi-fi system with a lamp over it (any of the hi-end experts, what turntable is this one?), a pic of ralf on the phone taken at florian's flat. below that one there is ralf again, at kling klang, and there is a turntable too. jose garcia - - "la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:03:39 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) Deleted Mails >It's true it's getting really boring... Hope ends soon... ;) >I am very interested in Karl Bartos' input on kw music- being computerwelt >my fave album, it's logic, and I've found so short info on that. Indeed, 'Computer World' is one of those albums where I'd be interested in hearing more about Bartos' input, considering the fact that Bartos is credited with co-writing every song on it! - -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Interpol und Deutsche Bank, FBI und Karl Bartos..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:48:05 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Country codes DVD and CD I once had a CD that started PEELING. I dropped it on a dusty floor and started to wipe it with a soft, slightly moist cloth, and the top layer started to peel off. I put it away and stored it for years. Thank God for the record-store chain known as The Wall! When they started their CD exchange policy, with the blue sticker, I exchanged it for a new copy. Incidentally, the CD was "Kuff" by Shelly Thunder. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:25:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs - we're probably screwed On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, clear biloute wrote: Sorry I didn't see this message earlier. It got automatically sent to my "Spam" folder because I've been spammed from hotmail.com before. > >1) North Am > >4) Iceland, Europe, Arabia, Japan and South Africa > Actually, Europe and Japan are in Zone 2, USA in Zone 1. The numbering was mine. The zones weren't numbered in the article. > Anyway, it will probably be 24 bits resolution for 96 KHz sampling rate. Sounds ideal. Where'd you read that? - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:01:37 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: (kw) Re: Proffessor X again! > Professor X was a recording alias of Los Angeles' Unknown DJ (Andre > Manuel), who produced an album (I've got it but I gcan't remember the > > title), which was techno/electro in style and VERY VERY heavily > sampled Kraftwerk to quite good effect. It's a very rare album - my > copy is the only copy I've ever seen. Most of the samples were from > the Computer World album. Thanks Mike, this sounds like the same one that I've got...somewhere. 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