From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #109 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, July 15 1997 Volume 03 : Number 109 In this issue: Re: (kw) CD durability Re: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Re: (kw) CD durability Re: (kw) CD durability (kw) CD vs. DVD (kw) Werkers Unite!! (kw) DVD (kw) Can your hear me ok? (kw) Kraftwerk in space continues... (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... Re: (kw) DVDs Re: (kw) kw desktop theme?? (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? Re: (kw) DVDs Re: (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? (kw) 343572110526 re: (kw) Videos? (kw) Atari (kw) Videos? Re: (kw) 343572110526 (kw) 343 572 110 526 (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! (kw) theme95 (kw) Pop Lions Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! (kw) one more tg97 review (kw) Pop Lions Re: (kw) Pop Lions Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! SV: (kw) Pop Lions (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:08:25 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability At 12:51 PM 7/11/97 -0200, Thomas Morper wrote: > >"In the first days of july CD-owners were startled by an announcement >concerning the durability of their CDs. The British firm Nimbus had >published test-results saying CDs will lose their information after six to >eight years. I'm assuming they mean it MAY start to lose its information. Even if the above statement is true, I can't think of one technology which has stood still and not improved itself for a six to eight year period. AND... if the above statement is true then technology in manufacturing CDs must have improved over the years in an effort to protect the consumer's investment. I'm not saying that CD manufactures are perfect... they're not. These plants can screw up and they can also cut corners to lower costs. But it won't take long until their competition eats them for lunch. And I know (working for a legal publisher and visiting these clients frequently) that BMG, Warner Bros., Polygram Intl., etc. won't put up with manufactures producing shoddy disks... if they did, they themselves won't be in business for very long... right? >The reason for this phenomenon is obvious. The chemicals used for the >label-printing penetrate the protection layer and corrode the aluminium. >Also tiny cracks in the protection layer could expose the metal to >oxidation. Which just justified my previous comment...it MAY start to lose its information. Keep in mind that this was a 1989 article commenting on a "six to EIGHT year period... I remember the first CDs and player being made available in the U.S in 1983 (somehow, the math isn't working out). It is then persuasive to say that disks manufactured prior to 1983 were "beta" and test disks... and who knows what kind of chemicals were used to label CDs. To support this comment, I have CDs I've purchased in 1984 and they still play perfectly today. Also... At what level of misuse and how long you misuse the disk in order to produce these cracks? I suppose that if my pet pink elephant walked on my CDs, I might end up with a few cracks on my disks. >In both cases the consequence would be a loss of reflectionability of the >lands. So more and more CDs would only contain zeroes, the information would >be lost, no matter whether it was music or computer-data. Makes sense to me. I guess the only thing that's missing is a lot of upset consumers who bought CDs in the mid '80s. You would think that by now they would be boycotting Tower Records, Blockbuster Music & the Virgin Megastore for forcing the public to buy CDs. This published article sounds like a company's opinion to bastardize the public's perception on the longevity of CDs. And... So that I might avoid cracks on my CDs. I'll have to buy a leash for my pink elephant. Darn, do you realize how much those cost! >Till now there is no proof for these tests. STOP RIGHT THERE. So why make the claim. In fact that comment right there should make "Nimbus" look like blundering idiots... where were the research notes to back up their comments (probably used as rolling papers...). How would you like it if I made a claim, on this list group, in which I had no evidence to support it (THE SKY IS PINK... FALLING... AND YOU SHOULD BE SCARED ABOUT IT). Nimbus (or Nitwit) should have been embarrased and crawled back in their little six to eight research cubby-hole. What were they smoking? >All in all the infinite durability is dubious. But it will be seen if the >situation is really that dramatical." ATARI magazin 4/89 Thank you very much. Certainly NOT written by an Ivy Leaguer. This article reminds me of watching CSPAN-3. Geez! Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PACMAN game only lasted six to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through the plastic. Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:06:00 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Bad Vinyl hangover Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > > No, what you listen is whats on the inner groove. Those records must > > have a really bad pressing with very shallow & thin grooves, probably > > even a little bit distorted by the adjacent grooves. So what you are > > actually getting is a preview of the next song... > > This isn't even physically possible. The phemon described is just simple tape > print-though caused by poor storage of the masters. > Right. The recommended professional practice back in those analog tape days was to store the tapes "tails out", that is, play or ffwd it through and not rewind it. That way the print-through sounds like an ordinary echo, after the real sound. It's not so noticeable that way. I would guess Kraftwerk, perfectionists as they are, would always stick to this rule (see, I finally got a Kraftwerk link here so the people who are bored with this CD/vinyl/tape/bits/etc subject can't flame me). Otso NP: Panasonic: Kulma # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:11:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Larry R. LaCost Jr. wrote: > At what level of misuse and how long you misuse the disk in order to > produce these cracks? I suppose that if my pet pink elephant walked on my > CDs, I might end up with a few cracks on my disks. Donate a CD to the library and you'll see. The "pooblic libary" here has a large CD collection, and it's very hard to find one without scratches etc. I even found one that was actually snapped in half. I accidentally scratched one of mine putting it into the player. So it IS possible. > Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PACMAN game only lasted six > to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through > the plastic. The Atari that produced your Pac-Man is gone. They were bought by Warner, if I recall correctly, and split into a few small companies still called Atari [specialty]. They are still turning out an occasional arcade game and home system. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:09:18 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) CD durability Okay, obviously you didn't like the article very much. I think I've to explain a few things... Some people here say CDs will break down after a few years, others say that their 1983-CDs still play perfectly fine. To put an end to this (in my opinion) a bit boring discussion I decided to translate this article. It gives some facts and I think everybody can draw his own conclusions (I agree with most of yours). >So that I might avoid cracks on my CDs. I'll have to buy a leash for my pink >elephant. Darn, do you realize how much those cost! Remember, English isn't my native language. And have you ever tried to find technical vocabulary in a standard dictionary? The original word was "Haarrisse" meaning tiny, really tiny cracks that occur when you, for example, bend a CD or expose it to great temperature differences. It doesn't mean "crack" in the sense of "breaking". >>Till now there is no proof for these tests. >STOP RIGHT THERE. So why make the claim. In fact that comment right there >should make "Nimbus" look like blundering idiots... where were the research >notes to back up their comments (probably used as rolling papers...). My fault. Insert "confirmation" or "verification" instead of "proof", this will change the meaning. >Thank you very much. Certainly NOT written by an Ivy Leaguer. This article >reminds me of watching CSPAN-3. Geez! Maybe I should have added the following... this was no boulevard-style "CDs dissolving!" article, it was mainly about how CDs are constructed, how they work (lands, pits, bits, bytes, sectors, ...) and so on. The "durability-question" was just a part of this. >Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? It was ATARImagazin (a German magazine dealing with Atari computers), not Atari nor Atari Games. What it has got to do with Kraftwerk? Well, they publish CDs (every ten years or so), don't they? :-) I agree, this is far far away from the topic of this list, so use private mail for any questions or comments. Thank you. Bye, Tomasz (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) NP: u-Ziq # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:34:13 -0600 From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) CD vs. DVD Why don't you people make a separate digest list for CD and DVD debate. I thought this list is supposed to pertain to Kraftwerk.. ?? ______________________________________________________ http://members.aol.com/KevinL1712/Music/KevinLux2.html Robot Music is now a reality!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:23:00 -0700 From: Andrew FALTONSON Subject: (kw) Werkers Unite!! Hi! I'm planning a 6 Hour radio program in Central California on Kraftwerk in November. I'd hope to find some 'obscure' music sources on this list. I've just started on this list very recently! I am looking for CD because the radio station turntables and stylus are in very poor condition. Also, any interview sound bites and such would be most welcome. The program will be from 12 midnight on Friday Nov 28th till 6 am Nov 29th. The name of the program is: That Time of the Month because the parent station (KPFA in Berkeley) goes black so I occasionally do programming for this slot. It's always a lot of fun and the odd phone call from 'spaced' out truck drivers who wonder what the strange music is!!! All helpful initiatives are appreciated. dru # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:30:04 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) DVD Subject: (kw) Can your hear me ok? >> I don't like to use dolby noise reduction because it >> seems to truncate the high end. >Playing a tape with the Dolby on is only a good idea when the tape was >recorded with Dolby on too. Some compression of treble is to be expected >anyway, particularly with Dolby C. Yeah, I picked up on that. I'm not talking turning on Dolby after the fact. It's the dolby process itself that I don't like. >> I have a friend who is an audio engineer and talks about >> once setting up a studio to broadcast just enough so that the musicians >> could hear it on their car radios in the parking lot. If it didn't sound >> good in the car, then it wasn't good. I'm a video editor and we >> frequently will do a final mix through a small television speaker >> because that's what they have at home. >It's a good practice, but we were talking about absolute sound quality >& Hi-Fi. Here is the essence of the debate. We're not talking about absolute sound quality. We are talking about measurement vs. perception. Some folks feel the need to let statistics determine thier listening plesure while others have a more visceral response. Please - no flames from you audiophiles out there. It's just different strokes for different folks. As I said - everyone's sonic experience is valid. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:10:01 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in space continues... [tapes] >through and not rewind it. That way the print-through sounds like an >would guess Kraftwerk, perfectionists as they are, would always stick to no, they used to store tapes straight, without winding them, and once used the tapes to build the tethered satellite that happened to break some months ago, I don't remember if this connected whit the Hubble affair... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:10:05 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... hello, I need an advice from the experts. do you remember the two records, one with a red/white circuit board on the cover, and the other with a blue autobahn logo, and an yellow-orange-red strip all over them, that contained "excerpts" from old K albums? I've seen the second one on a record shop for 25.000 liras (25 DM, 10=A3,= 15$, hope the Euro catch soon). do you think it's worth it, from the speculative point of view? I'm not a feticist (and anyway I should have both records buried somewhere from 20+ years), phonically the tracks were horribly cut out to have two albums fit in one, but who know, some crazy will pay me thousand dollars for it... :-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:09:58 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs >> I agree. to my opinion piracy proliferate for two main reason: >> - originals costs too much (30%) > >higher, I think they're making more than 30% on it. no, I was meaning that this reason contribute for 30% to the proliferation of piracy, while the main reason is the second one... >> - there are a lot of groups that just sucks and when you're burned once you >> don't risk that lot of money again (70%). > >Depends on how you shop. I almost never buy CDs blind. I only buy music >I've heard before, either on the radio or at a friend's place. I try to do that but it's a little recursive... my friends will not buy cd because they cost too much etc. ... >> - liberalize cd renting (would you imagine yourself not buying a Kraftwerk >> album because you taped it? :-) ) > >I have done so with other artists, because I can't afford to buy to me is ok. if you are not stimulated so much to actually buy them, then you will have not buyied then all the same, so if you tape them is no loss for anyone. I don't think it's piracy. same could be said about software, but don't enter in this mined zone... I'll agree very much on a reasonable tax in favour of (c) holder over cd renting, like it happen, if I'm not wrong, with videotapes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:10:13 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) kw desktop theme?? >>does anyone on the list know if there are any kraftwerk desktop themes >should be the background image? I personally like the image of them at >the cafe table in front of the digitally reproduced hillside. Ideas? oh well, this should relief us from the cd-dvd affair... :-) the color pic from the inner sleeve of TEE? nice one... my win 311 (yes, I still use that...) start with "it's more fun to compute"... from TEE you can also take the final sound of the braking train for the shut down... the round pentagram for hourclock (this should be tricky)... ah, and of course one of the two door slam at the beginning of autobahn for the window minimize! anyway there is a K theme, someone on the list told about this shortly ago, but probably you were not subscribed then. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:12:46 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? Hi! The whole discussion about DVD's, CDs, Turntable, Noise whatever is mighty interresting, but i'm getting very very VERY bored of downloading messeges that go directly in the dumpster. Itz time to knock it off are take the discussion somewhere else. Please! Laterz, Statik. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:16:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) DVDs On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, lbo wrote: > >Depends on how you shop. I almost never buy CDs blind. I only buy music > >I've heard before, either on the radio or at a friend's place. > > I try to do that but it's a little recursive... my friends will not buy cd > because they cost too much etc. ... I suppose so. I'm lucky that way. I have a friend who's a DJ, and he and his roomie buy tons of CDs and let me listen to them. > to me is ok. if you are not stimulated so much to actually buy them, then > you will have not buyied then all the same, so if you tape them is no loss > for anyone. I don't think it's piracy. same could be said about software, It's a sticky issue in both places. Try-before-you-buy is great, as long as you remember to buy and don't redistribute what you try. But you're right, this is a huge can of worms and not appropriate to the list. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 04:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Can you please take your discussion elsewhere?? 0weterings01@flnet.nl (Statik) wrote: > The whole discussion about DVD's, CDs, Turntable, Noise whatever is mighty >interresting, but i'm getting very very VERY bored of downloading messeges >that go directly in the dumpster. Itz time to knock it off are take the >discussion somewhere else. Please! HERE HERE! that having been said, let's not digress into how this list was established solely for the discussion of kraftwerk and kraftwerk ALONE. i'm not at all opposed to discussing a variety of topics here (even when they are a bit "off-the-topic"), but J-H-C!!! i think you can only expect the list to tolerate so much of this techno-babble concerning the legacy of CD's and DVD's! i think we're all ready for a new thread, eh? (or maybe a 'rope', even). any ideas??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:16:19 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) 343572110526 =20 _________________________=20 : )=20 _________________________=20 =20 Hello ! ! ! =20 =20 I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 =20 "dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 undzwanzig"=20 =20 ...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 =20 can anyone confirm this?=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 n.p. Squerepusher!=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 13:47:30 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Videos? hi, johann wrote to the list: > I've been looking for mpg or Quicktime movies with Kraftwerk on the net, > but only found (not so ONLY, really, i've got them running as screensavers all > day long) a few short clips of Ralf walking out from a concert (thats my > favorit), the robots and TEE where have you found them??? ciao werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:11:33 -0400 From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Atari >>> Isn't ATARI out of business anyway? My Atari PAC-MAN game only lasted six to eight years, has cracks on it, and the Atari label is melting through the plastic. <<< Nope. Atari's owned by Time Warner (Time Warner Interactive Entertainment, to be exact) again, and makes arcade games under the "Atari Games" moniker. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 9:06:35 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) Videos? Till: Allers, Johan Andersson; kraftwerk@xmission=2Ecom Bilagor: ENVELOPE=2ETXT - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - hi, johann wrote to the list: > I've been looking for mpg or Quicktime movies with Kraftwerk on the net, > but only found (not so ONLY, really, i've got them running as screensaver= s all > day long) a few short clips of Ralf walking out from a concert (thats my > favorit), the robots and TEE werner wrote:=20 > where have you found them??? They=B4re all at the Kraftwerk Infobahr at: http://www=2Ecs=2Eumu=2Ese/studenter/kraftwerk/Video/video_images=2Ehtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:57:10 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) 343572110526 >I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 >end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 >easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 >over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 >=20 >"dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 > siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 > undzwanzig"=20 >=20 >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But you are probably correct. Just numbers. Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:30:26 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) 343 572 110 526 Mats wrote: I just tried to figure out what number they say at the=20 end of "Computer World/Computerwelt 2", it was not very =20 easy! I recorded the speech to my computer and played it=20 over and over again and I think I know what is said:=20 =20 "dreihundertdreiundvierzigmilliardenfuenfhundertzweiund=20 siebzigmillioneneinhundertzehntausendfuenfhundertsechs=20 undzwanzig"=20 =20 =2E=2E=2Ewhich is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------- This is a very interesting fact you=B4ve discovered, I wonder what=20 343 572 110 526 is? is it a perfect number of some kind - anybody who knows= ? /johan ooo ooo =20= =20 =20 oooooo oooooo =20= =20 =20 oooooooo ooooooooo =20 ooooooooooo oooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo =20 oooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo=20 oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooo ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooo ooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooo oooooooooooo =20= =20 =20 ooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:44:15 -0500 From: "wisse e." Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Hello all, You can now order your tickets for the Kraftwerk concert in Karlsruhe on October 18! I just ordered mine through www.ticketworld.de! After a number of failed attempts to see Kraftwerk live it really looks like I'll be able to see them at last! Hope to see you in Karlsruhe! Groet'n Edwin (I have no connection with ticketworld, or with Kraftwerk, for that matter :-) - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin Wisse wisse@nlr.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:02:20 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) theme95 Hello!=20 =20 I just updated my KW page with a brand new Kraftwerk theme for=20 windows95, which I finished today. Send me an e-mail if you like it!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:49:06 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Pop Lions I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop Lions." Do a search on Kraftwerk then go into Discography, check the "Include info on albums not for sale" and then rerun it again. It lists a lot of bootlegs and one of the is "Pop Lions [Comp] (1976)." Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:43:39 +0100 From: michael schneider Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Hi# i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323/924574 this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) see ya michael 0000,0000,ffff Michael Schneider 0000,0000,ffff ffff,0000,0000 NDE Cisco Systems 0000,0000,ffff (0000,8080,808049)06196 479645 0000,0000,ffff mschneid@0000,ffff,0000cisco0000,0000,ffff.ffff,0000,ffffcom 0000,0000,8080 less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:01:36 +0100 From: michael schneider Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! sorry that was the fax No the whright one is +49(0)2323/924573 michael Hi# i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323/924574 this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) see ya michael 0000,0000,ffff Michael Schneider 0000,0000,ffff ffff,0000,0000 NDE Cisco Systems 0000,0000,ffff (0000,8080,808049)06196 479645 0000,0000,ffff mschneid@0000,ffff,0000cisco0000,0000,ffff.ffff,0000,ffffcom 0000,0000,8080 less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Michael Schneider NDE Cisco Systems 06196 479645 mschneid@cisco.com less is more ......Mies van der Rohe [BAUHAUS] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:31:19 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) one more tg97 review Hi, Just wanted to say that the french techno magazine "CODa - nouvelles cultures" July issue contains (at last) a review of Kraftwerk at TG97. It features a large but blured picture of KW playing Autobahn. Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:50:51 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Pop Lions > I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - > www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop > Lions." > > Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? Yup. It's a 1974 compilation on Philips, covering material through Autobahn. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:07:50 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Pop Lions On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:49:06 -0700 "Larry R. LaCost Jr." writes: > >I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - >www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called >"Pop >Lions." >Do a search on Kraftwerk then go into Discography, check the "Include >info >on albums not for sale" and then rerun it again. It lists a lot of >bootlegs >and one of the is "Pop Lions [Comp] (1976)." > >Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? > >Larry R. LaCost Jr. i dont think its a bootleg per se...its one of those budget type compilations that u see in every gas station in europe (which is where i got mine on cassette) ...they got this series for every artist under the sun...ill check the details and if anyone really gives a crap ill post em.... tom w np: eno - the drop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:30:10 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tickets for 18 October available! Hy it seems as if Michael has given the fax number. The phone number of = ticket-world is the = +49(0)2323 924573 ! I figuerred out that the fax number is also required, because you place = the order by fax. Payment is done by allowing them to book of the = required amount of money from your bank account... bye Oliver >Hi >i got some tickets from ticket-world fon +49(0)2323 /924574 >this is faster than www.ticketworld.de (it is also a different dealer) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:39:05 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Pop Lions - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: tweibrecht@juno.com=20 Skickat: den 15 juli 1997 18:08 Till: llacost@sand-piper.com Kopia: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: Re: (kw) Pop Lions Fellow Werkers All this talk about Poplions, was it released officially on LP??? I thoght it was only released on cassette. Uffe http://www.algonet.se/silverup/kraft # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:03:16 +0200 From: Miguel Angel Esteban Subject: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 > >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 > > I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But > you are probably correct. Just numbers. > > Well... Looking to the numbers, seems a telephon from Barcelona or so... ;-) > - -- wwWWww [o][o] - ------------------------ooO--(__)--Ooo----------------------------------- Fairlight Jarre Newsletter. Fanzine by the Spanish J.M. 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