From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #110 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Thursday, July 17 1997 Volume 03 : Number 110 In this issue: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... (kw) Re: pop lions (kw) What kind of list is this ?? Re: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? SV: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 (kw) yet another TG97 review (kw) Sarcasm (kw) Happy Birthday, Wolfgang! (kw) 343 572 110 52620 (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting re: (kw) Pop Lions re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting (kw) radioactivity signal Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Re: (kw) radioactivity signal Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? (kw) Kraftwerk Review (kw) Last shout b4 I go off-line for a while.... (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 (kw) PD: Wolfgang's anniversary (kw) Yeah, got my tickets! SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" (kw) Kraftwerk in Karlsruhe (+ guests ?) Re: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Re: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA RE: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 (kw) News / Karlsruhe See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:04:25 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Hi, A Japanese independent CD manufacturer Captain Trip Records announces the arrival of La Duesseldorf/VIVA, Dinger's 1978 work. Exclusively from the company, for Japan only. US$20 for a copy, postage included. They can be reached at: CAPTAIN TRIP RECORDS 3-17-14 Minami-Koiwa, Edogawa-ku Tokyo Japan FAX (81) 3-3659-5169. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 02:31:57 +0200 From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Thoughs on Karlsruhe Gig..... On 08.07.97 at 03:18, barnhill@FALCON.easyway.net wrote:=20 =20 > > I think Ralf & Florian are THE definitive masters at maintaining =20 their=20 > >aura of mysteriousm and building hype. That is maybe one of the=20 reasons we=20 > >all love them so much.... Anybody agree????=20 > =20 > Agreed, by far the definitive masters of musical mystery,=20 > only to be outdone by their music itself. I think it'd be great=20 > that KW play in Karlsruhe even though I'm all the way over here in=20 > New York City. The more shows they play, the more hope I'll keep=20 > alive that I still might get to see them someday!! Then life will=20 > be complete. :-)=20 > =20 > --=20 > Robotically Yours,=20 > Scott M. Barnhill=20 > barnhill@easyway.net=20 > "Sogar die gr=F6ssten Stars..."=20 > =20 =B0=B0 HI SCOTT!=20 I just want to say, that I like your mails to the Kraftwerk-List. My=20 english is to low to write on the list also, but i like to read all=20 those other kw-crazy - guys.=20 I`ve seen the Tribal Gathering-Concert and hope to come to Karlsruhe on=20 the 18th of October!=20 Regards=20 Josef=20 I`M THE ANTENNA CATCHING VIBRATION YOU`RE THE TRANSMITTER GIVE=20 INFORMATION =B0 =B0=B0 =B0=B0=B0=20 =20 sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:51:02 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: pop lions heres the dope: fontana m/c 7252231: pop lions - autobahn - kraftwerk seite 1: autobahn elektrisches roulette tongebirge mitternacht seite 2: tanzmusik kometenmelodie 1 morgenspaziergang according to the label, also available as lp 6434348 - made in west germany np: u guessed it! sounds amazingly good considering it came out in 1973.... tom w # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:18:00 +0200 From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? I cant belive whats going on, on this list !! At first there were discussions about Gary Numan, Aphex Twin, about the data transfer via internet, about selfmade CDs, and now we have a dicussion about Atari, DVD and its countrycodes. There are some PSX games which uses KW Samples in the background, so why dont discuss if Sony or Sega has the better playmachine. In the WCW there are some Wrestlers, who use some KW samples in there entrance music , so why dont talk about professional Wrestling ? Come on girls and boys, this is a KRAFTWERK- Digest, please back to the roots. Bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:28:32 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 Miguel Angel Esteban wrote: > > > >...which is equivalent of 343 572 110 526=20 > > > > I always imagine it saying some fantastic mathmatical equation... But > > you are probably correct. Just numbers. > > > > Well... Looking to the numbers, seems a telephon from Barcelona or so... ;-) > > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount of bandwidth wasted on that topic... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:53:59 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? As I mentionned in a recent private e-mail : Indeed, such topics would be more convenient on Electronica or any similar list. However, I suscribed to the KW list about 3 months ago, and it's the first time (for the last week or so) that I don't get bored by the discussions going on here... Furthermore, I feel it's quite normal that such discussions occur on a list dedicated to a band whose whole production is dedicated to technology and the new ways of life it triggers. If such discussions occured elsewhere, it would stick among experts, for I think that only experts (and experts wannabees) suscribe to high level tech lists. Here, there's the opportunity for a much larger audience to pick up accurate technical info on a wide range of topics which are, after all, quite KWish in essence... Why not start a few other discussions on atom bombs, railway technology, the best ways of designing and buiding highways, microprocessors, sexual life of top models, etc. ;-) And frankly, don't you get also tired of downloading 50 messages saying only "did they play any new song at TG ?" ... I seriously think that all these kind of discussions are a wonderful tribute to KW ! Cheers, jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:23:45 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=20 - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: jbv=20 Skickat: den 16 juli 1997 14:29 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: Re: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526=3D20 Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount of bandwidth wasted on that topic... jbv Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! We have a comedian in the list :-) Uffe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:58:23 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: (kw) yet another TG97 review Hi 'Werkers, Japanese magazine "ele-king" (Volume 14, August/September 1997 issue) has a review for Tribal Gathering 1997. Only one small B/W photo for Kraftwerk are there, but the writing is really impressive. "Everything is clsssified by Pre- and Post-Kraftwerk" A headache is, as usual, everything's written in dumb Japanese characters. The publisher can be reached at: "ele-king" editorial staff Ele-ments Corp. 2-7-17-8F Kita-Aoyama Minato-ku Tokyo 107 Japan. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:26:46 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Sarcasm ever wondered if Ralph or Florian have considered what the real differences are between Shimano and Campagnola?! Do they use a close ratio gear set on their bicycles? Is it reynolds 501 tubing...............no, no only joking. I don't want to be accused of starting another off topic conversation. Oh, I did purchase a authentic Tour De France style bike once, but due to my large 17 stone (238 lbs) power lifter type frame I kept having problems with burst rear tyres!! No risk of me being called a KW fanatic here. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:45:00 +0900 From: "Kaoru CHIDA Subject: (kw) Happy Birthday, Wolfgang! 17 July...Today is Mr.Wolfgang Fluer's birthday. He was born 1947 in Frankfurt Germany. "Happy birthday, Mr.Fluer!!" "Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Herr Fluer!!" "Otanjyoubi omedetou, Fluer-san!!" With Love xxx KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:09:53 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great > Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount > of bandwidth wasted on that topic... I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not just a random number. Maybe it's some kind of Kraftwerk-ish joke. But this is really almost impossible to know... Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:29:36 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting Dear fellow members, At last I have a 100% on-topic question. Actually, it is something I've been wondering for years. At the end of TEE, you can clearly hear the sound of a braking train (no, I'm not gonna start a discussion about what kind of train...), and obviously, this is a "natural" sound (I mean non synthetic). But what about the passing cars in the middle of Autobahn ? Are those sounds natural or synthetic ? I'M NOT TALKING about the sound of a starting car at the beginning of that song ! Telling the truth, I made some research on this. A few months ago, I drove all the way from Paris to Prague through Germany using the highway. And I stopped a few times just to listen to the sound of passing cars on german highways (yes, I wasn't in a hurry and the weather was quite fine). And I'm 99% sure that the sounds of passing cars that can be heard on the MIX version of Autobahn are non-synthetic. I like the idea of Ralf stopping his car somewhere and recording those sounds on a portable DAT... But what about the sounds of cars in the original version of Autobahn ???????????? jbv P.S. for geeks : obviously, some of the synthetic voices heard on KW songs use formant synthesis. The same technique can be used to synthesize the sound of other instruments (drums, woodwinds...). But could it be used for other kind of sounds like cars or trains ? Or perhaps did they use an analyze / re-synthesis technique... But Autobahn was recorded in 1974... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:40:04 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 Fermín Goiriz wrote: > > > Actually, it could be anything like the weight of the Great > > Pyramid or the distance between Mars and the Sun, or the amount > > of bandwidth wasted on that topic... > > I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING May be you just want it to be something... Like Led Zeppelin fans who hear satanic messages while playing albums backwards... If I can add some clue to this topic, I would say that NUMBERS is a song from the Computer World album, and as far as I remember, during the 1981 CW tour, a few minutes before the beginning of the show (that is before the synthetic voice started to say "Meine Damen und Herren..." and the curtain opened) they used to play the simple sound of a VCO driven by a random voltage generator. Because of that (I know it's not much as a clue) I think it's pure random numbers. And it sounds quite KWish to me (although the morse signal at the beginning of RA actually spells the title of the song). Well... Actually, I think it's possible to make some mathematical analysis of the number and make sure it's random or not (provided you can know exactly what numbers the voice says...) jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:41:37 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 - -(re: "Numbers", Fermin sez:)- > I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not just > a random number. Maybe it's some kind of Kraftwerk-ish joke. But this is > really almost impossible to know... Hm-m-m, interesting. I always thought it was simply a speeded-up sequence of "ein, zwei, drei, vier...." as repeated throughout the song. Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW stickers with the small circle in the center, or is it with three triangles coming to a center-point? I lean toward the KW version, ofcourse, but, I've seen it both ways on various signs. I'm thinking the triangle-point version applies to fall-out shelters rather than the presence of contaminated materials. whatever. Komputer Krash! -(Another KooL tune! And "Oh, Synthesizer" sounds VERY familiar.*wink*.)- While I'm at it, I might as well inform all my CyberBuddies that I'll be off-line for atleast a week as of tomorrow. -(I was off-line for a coupla days, but, the System is minimally-restored for the moment, just enough to do Email for today only. The entire hard-drive needs to be replaced, so, it'll take a while.)- All incoming Email should be safe on my Server in the meantime. Please stay in touch! "Ah'll be bahck." "Hasta la vista, bay-be!" KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting the passing car sounds on Autobahn are made by Florian turning the pitch bend knob on his white arp odyssey synthesizer.....the oscillators are obviously set to sound similar to cars speeding and the turning of the knob simulates doppler effect of the cars passing on the highway. i saw him doing it on a live video on PBS... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:55:09 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) Pop Lions hi, Larry R. LaCost Jr. wrote to the list: > I found an album that I'm not familiar with. According to MusicMatch - > www.musicmatch.com Kraftwerk came out with an album/bootleg called "Pop > Lions." > > Can anyone verify that this is an actual album/bootleg KW made? it's not a bootleg but it's a german compilation album from '74 Philips/Fontana 6434 348 with an exclusive picturesleeve: the pic of the german R&F-lp (coloured!), the orange cone and the poplions-logo tracklist A B Autobahn 6:30 Tanzmusik 6:34 Elektrisches Roulette 4:19 Kometenmelodie 1 6:20 Tongebirge 2:50 Mitternacht 3:40 Morgenspaziergang 4:00 needless to say, that it has it's value today, even if > its one of those budget type compilations that u see in every gas station in europe (check every record collector...) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:40:28 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... From: lbo Subject: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... hi, ibo wrote to the list: > do you remember the two records, one with a red/white circuit board on > the cover, and the other with a blue autobahn logo, and an > yellow-orange-red strip all over them, that contained "excerpts" from > old K albums? for everybody who's interested: ibo is talking about 2 italian compilation lp'S - - Kraftwerk 1 - Excerpts from Kraftwerk 1 & Ralf und Florian Fontana 9286875 - - Kraftwerk 2 - Excerpts from Kraftwerk 2 & Autobahn Fontana 9286876 both with exclusive picturesleeve (a 'mix' of both albums. the main 'theme' of the ps of Kraftwerk 1 is the uk-ps of Ralf&Florian, Kraftwerk 2 shows the uk-ps of Autobahn). the titles are in each case the titles of both lp's in edited versions. > I've seen the second one on a record shop for 25.000 liras (25 DM, 15$, hope the > Euro catch soon). > do you think it's worth it, from the speculative point of view? well, IMHO this is pretty cheap cause both lp's are hard to find these days (i saw both once in 15 years), but today it's not that easy anyway to find a kraftwerk record below 25 DM. if i find it in italy next month i'll buy it although i have it! regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:59:00 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, Synthesizer." from their E.P. (circa 1996). I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon Lights" by KW. I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, what your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? In my opinion... it is... and Kraftwerk should be compensated. What do you think? Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:33:28 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) 100% on-topic and interesting >But what about the sounds of cars in the original version of >Autobahn ???????????? once R&F told that they used to go around in autobahns with their mike out of the windows of their van to record the noise of cars entering and exiting from galleries and similar! (maybe I read this in Bussy's book...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:34:02 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) radioactivity signal >Another "waste of bandwidth" point to ponder: Which is the "correct" >international RADIOACTIVE symbol? Is it the same way as on the KW for what I remember from studies, the only symbol of danger from radioactivity is the one with the circle in the middle where the triangles have their inner points cut to a curve to face the inner circle. but what I don't really remeber is if it comes with one triangle on the top and two in the base or viceversa. personally I like more the one with two triangles on the top... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:33:59 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) 343 572 110 52620 >I don't know why, but I also have the feeling that it's SOMETHING, not maybe that - for this quantity of digits - in german it's the number that contain more characters when written down (and thus readed)? for instance, if I had to write in letters a long number, something to put a speech sinthetizer under pressure, in italian I'll choose a number with a lot of 4 (quattro) and 5 (cinque). or maybe the pronunciation of this number cover all the phonetic occurrences they were interested into? anyway, not to contradict you, but my feeling is that they just pushed some random button on a numeric keyboard, like in live Pocket Calculator... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:36:44 +0200 From: lbo Subject: re: (kw) old Kraftwerk item advice... >ibo wrote to the list: for those concerned, my alias is L-b-o etc. >ibo is talking about 2 italian compilation lp'S yes, they are the one you better described. I must add that the one I saw was an old battered used copy, and that it's impossible to find this record for new. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 02:16:38 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Larry R. LaCost Jr.=20 Skickat: den 16 juli 1997 22:59 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" > ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, = Synthesizer." > from their E.P. (circa 1996). > I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon = Lights" by KW. > I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, = what > your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? > In my opinion... it is... and Kraftwerk should be compensated. What do = you > think? > Larry R. LaCost Jr. Hmmm... Or is it just so simple that it is a hommage to Kraftwerk? No I dont think Kraftwerk should be compensated, the song is probably = made with love, Isnt thats payment enough ;-) Uffe =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:23:44 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: Re: (kw) radioactivity signal >but what I don't really remeber is if it comes with one triangle on the top >and two in the base or viceversa. personally I like more the one with two >triangles on the top... Kraftwerk's Radioactivity 12" CD Remix (1992) has 2 triangles on top and 1 on the bottom on both the CD and the cover. Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:07:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) What kind of list is this ?? On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, jbv wrote: > Furthermore, I feel it's quite normal that such discussions occur > on a list dedicated to a band whose whole production is dedicated > to technology and the new ways of life it triggers. Thanks for your support. You know what I'd like to see in a KW DVD release? A video for each of their songs, with any extra space filled up with concert footage and interviews. > Why not start a few other discussions on atom bombs, railway > technology, the best ways of designing and buiding highways, > microprocessors, sexual life of top models, etc. ;-) And dancing with robots, and the goings-on on the spacelab (Mir) etc... /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "Do not run! We are your friends!" - Mars Attacks */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:31:09 +0200 From: "gus spencer" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Review Hi! There's a nice review about Kraftwerk career and nice pics in the spanis On-Line music magazine GRASA: http://www.las.es/grasa/jul_97/baile/baile-lo.htm GRASA E-Zine: http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa http://www.las.es/grasa - --- Editor Grasa E-Zine http://www.las.es/grasa gus@asturies.org Espacio 3 NetServices # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:15:12 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Last shout b4 I go off-line for a while.... Okay, the RADIOACTIVE symbol always has 1 triangle on the bottom, whether it's with a circle or points in the center. I always think of KW whenever I see one -not to mention traffic cones, calculators, fancy bikes, and old-fashioned telephones, usw.... I love the way they give "meaning" to ordinary everyday objects that are so often taken for granted. Technology is Art in and of itself. Pure genius. I've been trying to Email Fermin and a bunch of other people, but, some of my messages keep getting bounced. There are TOO many individuals to mention, but, PLEASE stay in touch! I'll be back as soon as I can- hopefully only 1 week, 2 at most. -(stupid hard drive!)- If all else fails, KYTE me! ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield 805 "M" Street Eureka, CA 95501-1947 USA ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:03:43 +0200 From: Jose Garcia Subject: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 this number, 343 572 110 526, could be a phone call to somewhere in barcelona when made from abroad, where it not for the last 2 digits! i posted ages ago, 93 must be it, that in their live version of numbers some figures are said in spanish, and i think they're 1934 and sth. else, but i'm not sure now. jose - - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:03:02 +0200 From: "Pawel Kalinowski" Subject: (kw) PD: Wolfgang's anniversary Dear Firends, Today when driving my car and listening to DM's Ultra I switched it off = for a second and to my bewilderment radio started to play "Wir sind die = Roboter" from The Mix. They said it was due to Wolfgang Fluer's 50th birthday. Knowing RMF (the radio station mentioned above) they will play different kraftwerk's songs on full hours whole day. You can listen RMF on Astra, it is on MTV channel, just a different sound frequency (can't remember=20 details). Other subject: In several letters you mentioned Wales based company Nimbus that=20 I used to cooperate with several times. I can confirm their high quality service and broad knowledge. I can not agree their quality is worse than = of other CD-manufacturers. I tried many and the only better are=20 SONY DADC from Austria. Of course for most pressing I use cheap Polish manufacturers, but Nimbus is really reliable. What more, Nimbus has got the most modern technology, allowing to press CD's with holograms (I have some of such CD's). When talking about damaging CD's - it is really easy - just touching the second side (the one "without music" - it is much more sensitive)=20 with some force applied causes damage, not to mention a soft touch with a nail.=20 And if we are talking about oxidation - EVERY old CD has holes in=20 it's structure. Just look through it on light and you will see holes! (of course they are visible on CD's that are not fully covered with = paint). Best Regards, Pawel M. Kalinowski Executive Manager / Mirage Software Tel: +48 22 616 1555, Mobile: +48 601 61 50 19 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Yeah, got my tickets! Whoa! Today my tickets for Karlsruhe arrived. Too sad, they're just bloody computer-tickets (1991 I had one with a barcode and a robot on it). Maybe we could make a list of all who've got tickets for Karlsruhe and meet there! MfG Carsten Bolte. Kiel. it's more fun to compute * members.aol.com/depechecbi/private/electric.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 23:13:04 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: SV: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" Hi 'Werkers, Uffe Silverup wrote: > Or is it just so simple that it is a hommage to Kraftwerk? > > No I dont think Kraftwerk should be compensated, the song is probably > made with love, isnt thats payment enough ;-) I second Uffe. Yes the trck is REALLY close to KW one, but doesn't it mean they soncider KW as their teacher or God or something they worship? FYI, to those who know YMO, there's a fake band called OMY (Oriental Magnetic Yellow) in Japan. They perfoam and play really like YMO, with tracks like Technopolish, Ryzeen, Fiber Cracker, Rice Age, 1000 Knights, Happy Ondo, Pure Gum, Due, and so and so. Their stage and audience also modifies YMO. We can only feel fun and their hommage to YMO... Isn't it funny but cool? 8-) (On their stage last month, I and my girifriend were the closest from the stage!) Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Karlsruhe (+ guests ?) Hello ! On the ticket you can read: *** KRAFTWERK *** und Gaeste (=and guests) Will they perform after a support-act ? This is the first time, I think! Who will be these guests ? (Elektric Music ? That would be cool.) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "Oh, Synthesizer" llacost@sand-piper.com (Larry R. LaCost Jr.) wrote: >ROBOT was talking about a song made by Komputer called "Oh, Synthesizer." >from their E.P. (circa 1996). >I have a copy of this and it sounds dangerously close to "Neaon Lights" by KW. >I'd like to know, for those of you who have listened to this song, what >your opinion is on this? Do you think it's a copyright violation? i think everything off of the Komputer EP is dreadfully unoriginal. even their 'ode' to 'velentina tereshkova' (the first russian female astronaut??) is just bloody awful! and 'we are komputer' is just a hodge-podge of everything from 'the robots' to 'pocket calculator' to ' the model'. 'komputer krash', on the other hand, is perhaps the only song on the EP that doesn't entirely derive it's melody from a kraftwerk song (correct me if i'm wrong) but is similar to 'numbers' because of synthetic voices. Even the art on the cd is unabashedly kraftwerkian. i really consider the EP rubbish, but i still think that Komputer should be applauded for their devotion to the kraftwerk-sound. however, i think they would be better suited as a kraftwerk cover band. i really can't speak to what copyright violations there may be between their 'oh synthesizer' and kraftwerk's 'neon lights'. although there's a noticable similarity between the songs, they are very different. i don't think kraftwerk feel threatened at all by komputer...if anything, they're probably flattered. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 00:26:53 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) La Duesseldorf/VIVA Hi 'Werkers, Strange thing: Am 16 Jul 1997 09:04:25 +0900, schreibt Hiroshi MURATA; > A Japanese independent CD manufacturer Captain Trip Records > announces the arrival of La Duesseldorf/VIVA, Dinger's 1978 work. > Exclusively from the company, for Japan only. > US$20 for a copy, postage included. British "Wire" magazine has an ad from Captain Trip and it says $20 per a copy plus s/h. At the same time, a postcard from Captain Trip says it's 2500 yen per a copy. It's equlvalent to $22, withOUT s/h. Can such a thing happen? Or is it just a misprinting or a misinformation? I just don't understand. Can anybody have an idea or a hint? TIA, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:00:23 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: RE: (kw) re: 343 572 110 526 > i posted ages ago, 93 must be it, that in their live version of numbers > some figures are > said in spanish, and i think they're 1934 and sth. else, but i'm not > sure now. > > jose > - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara - Yeah, and listen to the Tribal Gathering realaudio file... they say, among others, 850 in Spanish. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:46:26 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) News / Karlsruhe Hi all ! We ( Harald and myself ) were in Karlsruhe today, to check the location and to find out who signed the gig with Kraftwerk. We found this person in the building of the ZKM which is ( although still heavily under cunstruction ) a definately fascinating place.=20 It is so enourmous, huge and big that we both were truly overwhelmed by it=B4s size. The way how it=B4s made up is very very kraftwerkish. It seems = to me as a synthesis between the "Nautilus" ( Jules Verne ) and High-Tech space ship. There are several areas where all the offices are located, some high-tech recording studios and places that have been designed to give room for the media art festivals that will take place there. In front of it there is a huge blue cube which is a recording studio for ( as we guessed ) bigger bands or classical ensembles. Anyway - the person responsible for the contract is Ms. Staff. She seems to be in charge of organising the musical events in the ZKM as there wereseveral files on her desk saying "Music Events" We introduced ourselves as "menebers of the kw-mailing list" and though she had an awful lot to do she took the time to talk to us a bit.=20 Unfortunately she wasn=B4t in the mood to give us ALL the information we wanted to have, but okay - we were quite shure that she was simply not allowed to tell us too much. We wanted to know who the "guests" will be playing as support act for KRAFTWERK ( yes ! there are guests mentioned on the flyer she gave us. ) She told us, it will be elektrik music....... ;-))) NO SHE DIDN=B4T !!! I was only joking ! She gave us unfortunately no information on that. Then we asked where the concert will take place in the building. ( Again - a very nice smile, but no info came across those lips, that could have told us so much........ :-)) ) Then we asked if the gig was already planned BEFORE TG and she nodded.So I am of the opinion, that there are some other gigs planned - maybe to introduce some stuff of the new CD ? Don=B4t know. Just guessing. Maybe the just want to get a bit of "ON-STAGE" - feeling, before the ...ahm... fade.= =20 Next question was if it will be posible to organise a meeting point for the listmembers that will join the gig. As the building is so vast this would make sense I F you guys would like to meet and ... later on ... celebrating a party. She said, that she doesn=B4t know now, as there will be much room needed for the opening, but she will keep us informed whether there is a chance or not. If this idea doesnt work, Harald and myself will try to organise a meeting-point in Karlsruhe. ( Depending on you - beeing interested or not ) BTW : Harald is putting up a litle web site for information on Karlsruhe. It can be accessed via :=20 http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unhj/kwlive.html There is not much info on it yet but we=B4ll update it during the next= days.=20 Okay - so far there was not much information, despite the fact that this gig has already been booked before TG. We wanted to have some more infos but she didn=B4t want to tell us. We asked if she maybe could tell us anything regarding the contract - if it was signed by their agency or their label but unfortuately she smiled again..... Later on we visited the building again and took a look inside the blue cube again, as we wondered if this could be the place where KW will play but Harald and I came to the conclusion that - also if it will only be a small audience - this studio was a bit too small. I saw another stair leading up and we decided ( curious as we are ) to take a look on what will be on the next level. We found ourselves in front of a recording room. There was a technician sitting around who had obviously nothing to and so I wondered, if he maybe has some more informations for us. We didn=B4t introduce us this time and I just asked him if he could tell us where we can find the location which is planned for the KW gig. He said " Oh yes - certainly, you will just need to go around the building and there you=B4ll find it."=20 Afterwards he asked us if we are responsible for the PA and the stage-sound and I said "yes!" ( This was definately not true, but I thought that maybe this way we can gather some more infos :-)) ) I also said that we just wanted to check the location....and he again described us the way. We walked about another few minutes and then went in a sort of "light-hall" I am sorry, but I don=B4t know the right word for that. It=B4s a very high p= art of the building, on top covered with a glass-metal construction. A very nice place for giving concerts though also still under construction. Anyway - - I am quite shure, that it will turn out to be a great location for a kw concert. ( Just imagine the scenery of KW - live under a visible firmament ...... We went back and I noticed, that I lost my keys for the car. We headed all the way back and found that we ...ahm... found nothing. Harald told me that I maybe had forgotten them in the office of Ms. Staff and I agreed.=20 As the part where the offices are located is only accessable via elecrronic code cards we got back to the recording room and the technician again. He smiled and helped us to find to office of Ms. Staff again. My keys were still there and I felt=20 very lightened again. He was still thinking that we are part o their sound crew, so I needed to get out as fast as possible again. I didn=B4t want him to know, that I=B4ve told him ... well ... not exactly the truth. To make it short - I wanted to express my thanks for helping us to get inside the building again and I told him that I will visit hinm next week together with a bottle of wine and in order to talk a bit about the recording techniques he=B4s using . Certainly I do not want to talk about the recording stuff but KW ! Anyway - we=B4ll meet next week and I hopefully will get some more informations on th= e concert. CU ! Sorry for the long textfile - I just wanted to be accurate ! :-) Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! 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