From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #118 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Thursday, August 7 1997 Volume 03 : Number 118 In this issue: (kw) 1997 - Album Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV shows) - (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV Re[2]: (kw) '1997' (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero (kw) Poll (kw) My memories : post-scriptum (kw) The Man Machine in Canada 1981 videos (was: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum (kw) Poll Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero Re: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada (kw) Some questions about bootleg LP's (kw) Wolfgang Fluer in New York (kw) IRC's #Kraftwerk Channel! Re: (kw) 1997 - Album See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:03:18 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) 1997 - Album >jseifert@cableinet.co.uk >>This is the titles of all of Kraftwerks albums, I know of >> >>1971 - Kraftwerk *) >>1972 - Kraftwerk 2 *) >>1973 - Ralf & Florian *) >>1974 - Autobahn >>1975 - Radioactivity (Radio Aktivit=E4t) >>1977 - Trans Europe Express >>1978 - Man Machine (Die Mench-Maschine) >>1981 - Computer World (Computerwelt) >>1986 - Electric Cafe >>1991 - The Mix >>1997 - "1997" >> >????? >Most curious........ >Come on guys, the newsgroup is open............ I heard that the title of the album will be 'Inspector' Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE - ------------------------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:01:49 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV shows) - Lets all thank JBV for his indepth report, I for one do find this very interesting as I love all the early KW material very much. Please keep up the good work JBV. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:00:15 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" 4 sale The tracks have correct speed! I still have some copies left. e-mail me id interested. >Since this recording was made direct from the soundboard, I assume >that means this recording of 'Numbers' and 'Computer World' from the = Tribal >Gathering is at the normal playing speed and is not slowed down like it = was >on BBC Radio1, right? Just curious. - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:55:48 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk CD "Lebendige Menschen" Kraftwerk; "Lebendige Menschen" Luton 1997: Nummern Computerlove Radioactivity TEE/Metall auf Metall/Abzug Pocketcalculator The Robots +Ludwigsburg 1991 Das Modell Tour De France Musique Non Stop asking US$20 + shipping. - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:39:10 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV > Oh man ! I feel so old when someone asks me that kind of question. Sorry! :-) > I tried to put togther everything I remember about KW in the 70s > and 80s + some personal thoughts. Many thanks for your effort! > Regarding possible tracing of KW material in the archives of INA, > everybody please let me know your degree of interest to that. Well, my personal degree of interest is 100 %. > I also think that their silence and reclusive attitude is only a pure > marketing trick. > I'm sure i'll get dozens of flames for that one ! Not from me. :-) I do principally agree, but I don't think that it is a *pure* marketing trick. They obviously dislike the public, so I guess that their silence is both: Paranoia *and* marketing. > and lately this message from EMI saying that they don't > know when all this stuff will be released. It was the same in 81 for CW > and in 86 for EC. Very true! > AS FOR THE RADIO AIRPLAY OF THE 1976 CONCERT : > I remember of 2 or 3 instrumental pieces. One was Kometenmelody, and the > other one (I think) Ohm Sweet Ohm. Regarding the 3rd one (which was > actually the 1st), I remember it very well but never knew whether it was > a standalone piece or a long intro for Kometenmelody : it was basically > the sound of church bells used through a vocoder. I don't remember what > the voice said, It said: Die Sonne toent nach alter Weise In Brudersphaeren Wettgesang, Und ihre vorgeschriebne Reise Vollendet sie mit Donnergang. [J. W. Goethe: Faust I, Prologue in Heaven] > Does this description match what's known on bootlegs ? Yes, except that these bootlegs don't include "Ohm Sweet Ohm", but you may have confused it with "Tanzmusik", which sounds very similar to "Ohm Sweet Ohm" in it's live form? The "bootleg tracklisting" is: 1. Kometenmelodie 1 & 2 (incl. "Prologue in Heaven"-intro) 2. Tongebirge 3. Tanzmusik. > PARIS CONCERT, JUNE 1981 > I already posted something about that gig a few weeks ago, and nobody > reacted. That's why I wonder whether anyone is interested in my stuff... I am :-), and I would like to bother you with another specific question: Did Kraftwerk play only one concert in Paris in 1981, or were there two concerts? There were two concerts announced in the press (Le Monde), one for June 6th (at the Palace) and one for June 8th (at the Captain Video). Other sources claim that the concert on June 6th was at the Olympia or at the Captain Video. It's extremely confusing... > while in 81 they used huge monitors which displayed crispy > graphics. Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've never found a detailed description of them... > Even the weel-known songs (TEE, etc.) sounded less exciting, > mainly because (I think) they just improvised on the basic themes with > pre-defined samples, patterns and sequences, which made them sound like > any other techno band who don't get much out of his gear... Exactly! > Did anyone already see a KW concert where Ralf was singing in tune ? NO! :-) > A couple of years ago, I saw Electric Musik playing 2 songs live on the > french-german TV channel ARTE, Oh? What was the second song? I have this appearance on video, but the recording seems to be incomplete, as it includes only "TV" plus the beginning of an interview. > and the problem was the same : terrible singing. Yes, the worst vocals I've ever heard! Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 11:42:43 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) '1997' Old Sealand wroteth: I also remember seing a KW vinyl album in 1986 at a record fair, it was =A310. It had no writing on the label, only a plain white sleeve with Kraftwerk in big bold black text across the front. The guy selling it said something about it being a promo for a new album called Techno-Pop, but I didn't believe him or the fact that KW were releasing any new material!!!!!!!! No not really, just having a laugh,............ <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 12:04:58 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than KW. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron this is just speculation, BUT: i don't think kraftwerk ever used a mellotron....and in fact all the "mellotronesque" sounds we hear are the vako orchestron - an optiacal disc organ (which i am in the process of aquiring!!!) that had even eerier choir and string sounds than a mellotron. this also points to the mysterious "optical light disc organ from florida" that ralf is supposedly quoted as saying. it makes sense because the radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with 2 or use on more than 1 track...) and to be honest - it just doesn't sound like a mellotron! oh well. some thoughts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 18:08:24 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > it makes sense because the > radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with 2 or > use on more than 1 track...) Well, I'm not sure about how a mellotron works, but as for the sustained RA choir, I always thought it could be some synth strings through a vocoder using the "sound freeze" function, the carrier signal being a natural choir, or simply the formants of a simple "AAAH" vocal sound. Oh man ! We will never know... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:43:19 +1000 From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > KW. Soonds like a jolly-good idea too me! // Andreas - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schuldt Tornavaegen 3:501 223 63 Lund , SWEDEN Tel./Fax. +46 (0)46-396744 (Home) Mobile. +46 (0)705-189146 Fax. +46 (0)46-146066 (Helsingkrona Nation) skylt@hb.lu.se or cim92sa0@stud.msek.lth.se - --------------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:08:28 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Poll > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist > other than KW. All I ask is that people send their responses to the person organizing the poll and not to the list . . . - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:22:35 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Hello beautiful people, Thank you so much for all the cheerful messages after my long post. Frankly, I didn't expect so many positive reactions ! - -------------------- Klaus asked : >I would like to bother you with another specific question: Did >Kraftwerk play only one concert in Paris in 1981, or were there two >concerts? >There were two concerts announced in the press (Le Monde), one >for June 6th (at the Palace) and one for June 8th (at the Captain >Video). Other >sources claim that the concert on June 6th was at the Olympia or at the >Captain Video. It's extremely confusing... The only Paris show I know of took place on june 6 at Captain Video, a night club / concert hall near Place de la Concorde (now disapeared). I'm sure that after the thrill of that show and the discovery of the KK studio on stage, I would have tried to see any other gig at any cost ! Klaus (again) : >Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video >accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've >never found a detailed description of them... Well, I was so excited by the gear on stage that I don't really remember the videos, except : - when they did TEE, they played the regular B&W video of that piece and the synchro was more than perfect : 1) when Ralf said "back to Düsseldorf city", at the same time the video was showing the train entering the station and the sign "Düsseldorf city" 2) when he said "Rendez-vous on Champs Elysées", at the same time the video was showing a picture of the Eiffel Tower (which was actually a few hundred meters only from the concert hall) and the whole audience started to shout like crazy. I think that point can be checked on any bootleg of that gig. - when they did Autobahn, the screens were playing a very simple computer animation (in the early 80s video game style) showing a highway from a driver's point of view, with occasional trees passing on each side and a yellow dashed line constantly moving in the middle. I remember that this animation really put me in a deep trance. I also remember that in the middle of Autobahn, Ralf was singing something like "Wir fahren nach Paris, Wir fahren nach Berlin" etc. and that was in fact the list of the cities they visited during that tour ! Another thing I remember about the KK studio is that about 6 months before the Paris concert, the french magazine Actuel published a long article about KW forthcoming projects, and the most interesting part were a couple of photos showing : - Ralf in his cozy home picking up a phone - the KK studio under construction with parts of the metallic structure + one or two consoles. Once again, the problem is that when my girlfriend ran away in 86, she took away all my collection of Actuel. But I'm sure everyone already knows about those facts (I mean the article, not my girl friend departure). Joerg-Stefan cried : >Unfortunately I haven't received your posting about the Paris concert > on June 81 you mention in your article. Could you be so kind and send > me a copy ? Thanks in advance. OK, here we go : - ----------- That show was a very good one. (I personally think that the 81 tour was far better than the 91 tour). Back then, they used 4 huge video monitors which offered more crispy graphics than the Barco used 10 years later. I think I remember also that the tour was a bit delayed and the rumors said that it was because they were expecting those video monitors from Japan and that they had technical problems with them. Those monitors were giving the on-stage kling-klang studio a far more retro look, something closed to Dr Mabuse laboratory... I also remember that Bartos (or was it Flur ?) still used the electric drum sticks. One of these 2 guys also used another machine which looked like a "table" with sliders on its top side. Moving the sliders seemed to trigger / stop sequences. As they were doing HALL OF MIRRORS, something went wrong with that machine, and an engineer came from backstage (in the middle of the song) to fix it. I remember that the problem with that gear was noticeble in the music. i never heard any bootleg of that show. Could anyone tell me if anything like that happens ? I also remember that a mutitrack tape recorder was running backstage, apparently recording the show... (no, I wasn't invited backstage, I just saw it in a glance as the engineer rushed from backstage to fix the problem without closing the curtain). - ----------- Hey, some weird idea just crossed my mind : Could it be possible that KW (at least from the 81 tour until now) always had a multitrack tape machine running backstage and recording ALL their gigs ? Does anyone on this list have a military commando training ? Obviously the best place for live recordings of VERY HIGH quality must be the Kling Klang attic. Could we make plans for an attack / expedition in order to grab as much material as possible ? We could dig a tunnel, or try to enter the place from the roof... The best time to do that seems to be the Karlsruhe concert : the KK studio will completely desert ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:47:47 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada Hello, I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? Thanks Rafa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:02:40 +0200 From: "Erik Barth" Subject: 1981 videos (was: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV - ---------- > From: Klaus Zaepke > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) My memories (was : 1973 Paris concert + old TV > Date: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 18:39 ... > > PARIS CONCERT, JUNE 1981 ... > > while in 81 they used huge monitors which displayed crispy > > graphics. > > Do you (or anybody else) remember any details about the 1981 video > accompaniment? These videos are not very well documented, and I've never > found a detailed description of them... I have some (very badly taken, old camera) photo's from the 10 december 1981 concert in Utrecht, the Netherlands. It shows some shots from the (4) video screens. It's not exhaustive. - - Numbers: AFAIK countdown of numbers, also written in different languages, with a square font. - - Computerworld: Black KW-heads on yellow (still: not moving) like the contents of the computerscreen on the computerworld album, but inverted. - - Autobahn: Autobahn sign (separated road with bridge, still), computerised moving roads, coverpicture of autobahn album (still), cars moving on a road (diagonal, from top right to left bottom) - - Neon lights, some picture of kraftwerk members, together with some (neon lighted) texts through it (probably moving): haha and some unreadable text. It could be the text of the song but I'm not sure. - - Spiegelsaal: White (left) to dark grey (right) shaded rectangles (7), like a test-image. - - Schaufensterpuppen: Four standing silhouettes (black on white, prob. still) - - Trans Europe Express: railtracks in a bushy surrounding, some trackchanges (points?), point of view: front of a train (moving). Probably also through industrial area but it was 16 years ago... - - Pocketcalculator: black on yellow calculator, 4 heads, japanese characters, picture sleeve (still). - - Robots: Large dummy head with digital digits (like a watch, probably counting) on the forehead (color). The screens were about one metre (width) to .6 metre, a bit concave (hollow). The projectors were about two metres before and about .2 metres below the screens. Reicht dass. Klaus? Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:02:02 +1000 From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk never used a mellotron ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > i don't think kraftwerk ever used a mellotron.... > radioactivity choir is sustained (impossible on mellotron except with > 2 or > use on more than 1 track...) There was also a machine from the UK in 1975 called the Birotron, which had looped tape cartridges and included a choir sound. BTW - looking at the back cover of 'Ralf and Florian' the other day, I noticed that the black eletronic box directly in from of Florian is an EMS Synthi A. I have one here at home and you can just make out the three ocillator controls and suitcase locks in the picture. Does anyone out there have good photos of Kraftwerks' Kling Klang consoles from the 1981 tour?. I would like to put together a full list and description of the gear used. Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:08:46 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment Thanks again to JBV for his information about the 1981 videos! The following is an attempt to summarize all the available information about these videos in one list. The list is obviously very fragmentic, but maybe there are a few more eye-witnesses of the 1981 concerts, who are able to fill some of the gaps? 1) Numbers ??? (Possibly no video accompaniment at all?) 2) Computer World Computer graphics of the four faces, taken from the "Computerwelt" 12" single. 3) Homecomputer Simple, flickering animotion of (I guess) a homecomputer screen. 4) Computer Love ??? 5) The Model The same video as in 1990-1993. 6) Neonlights The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 7) Radio Activity ??? 8) Stimme der Energie ??? 9) Ohm Sweet Ohm ??? 10) Autobahn Simple Autobahn computer animation & colour films of Autobahn traffic (the same as in 1990-1993, I guess?) 11) Hall of Mirrors ??? 12) Showroom Dummies The promo video (or maybe only the start of the video (the animotion of the four dummy shilouettes)?) 13) Trans Europe Express The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 14) Pocket Calculator Rainbow coloured stripes & the graphics from the "Pocket Calculator" 7" sleeve & additional films or stills at some of the concerts (maybe taken from the promo video?) 15) The Robots The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 16) It's more fun to compute ??? 17) Metropolis ??? (I wouldn't be surprised if they showed excerpts from the Fritz Lang movie, but I have no proof. Anyone else?) Of course it is possible that they altered some of the videos during the tour... Any additions and corrections are very welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:16:47 +0200 From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum Hi all, - ---------- > From: jbv > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) My memories : post-scriptum > Date: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 22:22 ... > Hey, some weird idea just crossed my mind : > Could it be possible that KW (at least from the 81 tour until now) > always had a multitrack tape machine running backstage and recording > ALL their gigs ? > > Does anyone on this list have a military commando training ? > Obviously the best place for live recordings of VERY HIGH quality > must be the Kling Klang attic. Could we make plans for an attack / > expedition in order to grab as much material as possible ? > We could dig a tunnel, or try to enter the place from the roof... > The best time to do that seems to be the Karlsruhe concert : > the KK studio will completely desert ! They probably have one tape which will be overwritten each concert, until they have the perfect recording of the perfect concert (:-) > > jbv Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:14:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: (kw) Poll On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Andreas Schuldt wrote: > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > > KW. > > Soonds like a jolly-good idea too me! Ditto. Since we'll be mailing our responses directly to the organizer, that person can publish the statistics. Could that person please respond to me (privately if need be)? I lost the original message and thus the e-mail address. Can we have more than just that simple question though? How about these: Favorite Non-KW Artist/Group Most-Purchased non-KW Artist/Group Best Group that has Included any KW Member Most KW-Like Group Not Including any KW Member Just a thought. I'm sure someone else could come up with something better. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:19:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rafa wrote: > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? Being one of few (if not the only remaining) Canadian list member and a KW= =20 fanatic, you'd think I would know the answer. I don't. I have CD and vinyl versions of the Man-Machine, both purchased here in=20 Canada. I've never noticed a difference between the two. Then again, I=20 don't think I've ever heard a version from a foreign release. If someone else has any info on this I can check my copies. - --> /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs * * "The human race knows enough about thinking to prevent it." * - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:29:56 PDT From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible Hello all, I was able to post a RealVideo version of the Robots music video on my web site. I'm still woking on getting the space and bandwidth to post a QucikTime version. Also, is there any other format people want it in? My site can be found at: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petnet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:58:21 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album Hi! On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Georg Jajus wrote: > I heard that the title of the album will be 'Inspector' God! What the hell.. Where did you hear this? Sers zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:53:11 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: (kw) Carl Sagan - A 20thC Hero Hi! On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, POOLTON, Richard wrote: > > > How about we organise a poll to discover who is our favourite artist other than > KW. Why not! My favourite Artists other than Kraftwerk are canadian Rockers RUSH Greetings from Muehlviertel zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:37:02 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Robots Video Now Avalible >Hello all,=20 > I was able to post a RealVideo version of the Robots music video on my =20 >web site. I'm still woking on getting the space and bandwidth to post a =20 >QucikTime version. Also, is there any other format people want it in?=20 =20 >My site can be found at:=20 >http://www.dragonfire.net/~petnet=20 =20 The address should be: http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet =20 =20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:20:41 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Hi 'Werkers, Some Japanese CD sellers doesn't (or couldn't) receive original correct lyrics from original singer/manufacturer, and create lyrics cards by themselves, listening to the song by themselves. This sure is one of the biggest reason for all these confusion. I once read (in an essay in a magazine from Japanese publisher Kenkyusha, late 1980's or early 1990's... I don't remember exactly when...) that some lyrics cards for The Beatles were even worse. Both Beatles and Kraftwerk are from Toshiba EMI here. 8-) We are still lucky though, since nobody ever said it's fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn. :-P Am Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:05:46 -0400 (EDT), schreibt Scott M. Barnhill, > >Got the Japan CD of Computer World today, and as I was looking at the > lyrics I found the following: > >"Interpol and Deutschland, FBI and Scotland Yard"!!! > >While on the sleeve, it says: "Interpol and Deusche BANK, FBI and Scotland > Yard". > >And thats not the only one!!! > >So, if you cant even get that one right, why bother? > > :-) I had mentioned this to the list not so long ago when I picked > up my copy of that disc as well. My personal favorite is the translation of > "Home Computer": > > "Natural ran my home computer, in myself and to the future." > > There's a couple of other little translation mishaps, but all in all > it's a cute item to own, and it's also nice having an official copy of > "Dentaku" on CD as well. I envy you all in Europa. We don't have any KW gigs here... 8-) Best, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:50:27 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Klaftwelk Hiroshi wrote : >I envy you all in Europa. We don't have any KW gigs here... 8-) You should move... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:41:04 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine in Canada > > I=B4ve heard that exist a canadian release of The Man Machine > > with a diferent version of Neonlights. It=B4s that true? > > I have CD and vinyl versions of the Man-Machine, both purchased here in > Canada. I've never noticed a difference between the two. This (slightly) different version of "Neonlights" is on a Canadian whitelabel promo pre-release of the original 1978 "Man Machine" LP. The differences to the usual version are minimal, only a few altered sounds. If anybody has a copy for sale, please get in contact! ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:41:04 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Some questions about bootleg LP's I have spotted the following Kraftwerk bootleg LP's on a saleslist, and I would like to ask if anyone has any more information about these items (track listing, artwork, etc.): a) "Live Frankfurt 81" (mispressing) b) "Muenster 84" c) "Live in France / Metropolis" (1 from 100 pieces) d) "Live Muenchen 81" (2 LP with big sticker, yellow vinyl) e) "Kraft-Box Vol. 1 Nr. 3" (Live in Muenchen, yellow vinyl) The "Muenster 84" one contains obviously a different concert, as Kraftwerk haven't toured in 1984. Does anyone know which one? The "Live in France / Metropolis" one is possibly a mutation of the "Machine" bootleg. Is anyone able to confirm this? Also, "Live Muenchen 81" and "Kraft Box Vol. 1 Nr. 3" feature probably the same recording as the "TBON PABOTHNK" bootleg, I guess? Thanks for any details, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:58:01 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer in New York Found at rec.music.newage: > Subject: Kraftwerk > From: dorendoren@aol.com (DorenDoren) > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 14:09:33 -0700 > > Former member of Kraftwerk, WOLFGANG FLUR, will be releasing > his new music project under the name YAMO. The elektro pop album > titled TIME PIE will be released on September 9th on Hypnotic Records. > The album also features 'technic-freaks' Jan Werner and Andy Thoma aka > Mouse On Mars. > Wolfgang is joined on vocals on some tracks by Regina Janssen part of > cologne pop duo known as Donna Regina and singer Jeannie, Wolfgang's > niece. > Wolfgang will be in New York at the CMJ Music Convention on Sept. 6th > on the RPM Panel: > Electronic Music of the 90's. > > For further information: > Doreen D'Agostino > Publicist for Wolfgang Flur # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) IRC's #Kraftwerk Channel! Attention Werkers! The official #Kraftwerk chat channel of IRC (Inter Relay Chat) has moved to its new home on DALnet where it is currently up and running. The channel is devoted to the discussion of the pioneering German electronic artists Kraftwerk, in addition to any and all KW-related subject matter. We are recruiting new and veteran IRC users to take part in the channel's discussions. All are encouraged to come see our official website for the channel, which can be found at the following URL: http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm This page contains channel information and links, one of which will take you directly to the official DALnet FAQ file, an extremely helpful and explanatory guide for new IRC users which will answer every basic question from where and how to download IRC software to utilizing DALnet's special features such as nickname registration, memoserv, etc. Most informative and time-saving. Special thanks go out to Jules Seifert, Robert Krenn, and Fermin Goiriz for not wasting any time in keeping the channel active and occupied, and also to Kevin Busby, Lazlo Nibble, and Anders Wilhelm for graciously linking our site. We hope to see you all in the channel. Should you have any additional questions regarding IRC or the #Kraftwerk channel after reading DALnet's FAQ, feel free to address them to: Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Jules Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk See you there! "It's more fun to compute..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 15:46:50 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) 1997 - Album alpezi@zilli.priv.at,Internet writes: >God! What the hell.. >Where did you hear this? Hat mir ein Freund erz=E4hlt...quasi ein Kraftwerk-Spezialist. Aah, ich mua=DF jo auf Englisch schreiben! ;-) A friend of mine told me that fact...could be right. Maybe there's also a 2nd Album, like 'The Mix 2' or so... BTW: Where did you buy your Tickets for Linz? At OE-3 it ist't available yet... 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