From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #121 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Tuesday, August 12 1997 Volume 03 : Number 121 In this issue: (kw) who are the guests? Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News (kw) This is true (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" (kw) NEU! rumours (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment (v. 2.0) (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? Re: (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? (kw) Fonts (again) Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts Re: (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment (kw) The 1976 European tour (kw) Hot off the Press (kw) "Esperanto" re-released Re: (kw) Hot off the Press (kw) Got It. (kw) Nice TG review (kw) New to the list (kw) Kraftwelt - Electric Dimension Re: (kw) New to the list Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing (kw) Hi from ROBOT (kw) Poll (kw) to people in spain (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" (kw) Kraftwerk & Love Parade Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JRindfrey@aol.com Subject: (kw) who are the guests? Hi, I don't know if this has already been discussed, but in the announcement for the Karlsruhe concert it says "Kraftwerk and guests". Anybody knows who the "guests" are? Jochen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:26:30 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering Festival >I hope no-one feels treated unfair by this little accident, and I hope >that I and everybody elso who likes tape-trading will be able to >continue doing so, off the list. > >Regards > >Conny Fornbäck Connie, it's really very nice of you to offer trading anyhow. Yes, I agree with trading being done privately. L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:17:42 -0700 From: discofembot@juno.com (Bill C Talley) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger News >At 2 Aug 1997 23:45:51 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > 2. The following projects are currently in preparation: > > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan >concerts, > >Live CD??? 8-) > >I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! >Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. > >How the disk will be? I'm just curious. 8-) > >I just hope the La! Neu? flag, which was only sold at >the place & from Captain Trip, becomes a rarity. ;-) With information like this from your every message, you are what really keeps this list alive for me Hiroshi. Thanks for all of the research and time that you put in. You must really love KW a lot... I'm betting that they are getting some form of "super" multi-media project prepared for release. When they were in LA (years back - 1991ish?) they were putting on some kind of virtual-reality concert where the audience had to wear goggles. I believe that there was some form of review in a Keyboard magazine (US). It seems that they are heavily interested in creating better, more interactive forms of 'communication' and 'entertainment' (so that they will make 'money', save 'time' and not have to 'travel', I'll bet.) L8r... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:31:32 PST From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) This is true "For all the other list members, Don came to us via our IRC web page, and joined in the discussion there." This is true. In my excitement over getting onto the mailing list (my first ever) I forgot to mention that I found you via the #kraftwerk IRC page at http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/jseifert/kraftwerk/irc.htm. Sorry about that Jules. :-\ At the moment I'm especially interested in news about recent Kraftwerk concerts (the one in the UK and any others coming in the near future). Also, if anyone has The Remix, is it really worth hunting down and buying? Thanks again, /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:31:08 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" Hi werkers I have spotted in a record store here in Zuerich a picture disc of "Autobahn" (it says "Hecha in Mexico") for sale for CHF 50, which is ca. USD 35. The one side of the disc depicts the four members of KW sitting a= t a table in front of tree (as on the poster that came with the German TEE LP), the other side depicts the traffic cone, if I remember correctly. Does anybody know anything about this? I believe it is a bootleg. Is this= worth the money? Thanks for answers! Regards Roland PS: Music and Video Exchange in Notting Hill Gate, London sells the Kraft= DJ-promos for UKP 30 a piece...ouch! But I was also told that Reckless Records in Islington has them for GBP 15. I also saw them at Sister Ray o= n Berwick Street, they had it as decoration, with all the other collectable= s, put on the wall, but with no price attached....I did not dare to ask for = a price in fear of immediate fainting.... They look very nice though, with= the Roboter from Kraftwerk.com on the cover! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) NEU! rumours Michael Rother has apparently turned down an offer for a NEU! reunion and a "NEU! '97" album. Also, he seems to have initiated legal steps against further production and distribution of the "NEU! 4" album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also interesting to compile all the known information about the visual accompaniment of the 1976 tour. Here is what I know about the 1976 slide-show: 1) Intro Image of a brick wall, with "Die Mensch Maschine" written on it. 2) Kometenmelodie Various slides of comets. 3) Europe Endless The photo from the "Trans Europe Express" LP inner sleeve. 4) Radioactivity Radiation symbol. 5) Airwaves An Antenna (probably from the "Radioactivity" LP inner sleeve, I guess?) 6) The Voice of Energy / Ohm Sweet Ohm UV light show (possibly no slides?). 7) Trans Europe Express A picture of the Trans Europe Express train. 8) Tongebirge ??? 9) Autobahn "Autobahn" LP cover motive. 10) Showroom Dummies ??? As always, any further details would be very welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts > > b) the publication of live recordings from the 1996 Japan concerts, > > Live CD??? 8-) Yes, so it seems. :-) > I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! > Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. May I ask which tracks were performed at these concerts? Endless improvisations a la la! NEU?, or also "classic" NEU! and La Duesseldorf material? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The 1981 video accompaniment (v. 2.0) Thanks to all who have responded to my question regarding the 1981 concert videos! Here is an updated version of the list I've posted a few days ago. I was so free to use some quotes from Erik Barth, JBV and Joe Schepis unchanged. Kraftwerk's 1981 live video accompaniment (v. 2.0): 1) Numbers Countdown of numbers, also written in different languages, with a square font. 2) Computer World Stills of the four faces, black on yellow, taken from the "Computerwelt" 12" single and/or from the "Computer World" album (inverted). 3) Homecomputer Simple, flickering animotion of (I guess) a homecomputer screen. 4) Computer Love ??? 5) The Model The same video as in 1990-1993. 6) Neonlights The promo video & some additional text (possibly the text of the song) 7) Radio Activity Computer animation of an atom with orbiting electrons and the word 'radioactivity' flashing beneath. 8) Stimme der Energie / Ohm Sweet Ohm Graphic of the antenna tower from the inside sleeve of Radio-Acvitity, animated with slowly radiating concentric ellipses (apparently the same animotion as used in the "Antenna" promo video). 9) Autobahn Autobahn sign (separated road with bridge, still); very simple computer animation (in the early 80s video game style) showing a highway from a driver's point of view, with occasional trees passing on each side and a yellow dashed line constantly moving in the middle; cover picture of the "Autobahn" album (still), cars moving on a road (diagonal, from top right to left bottom) & colour films of Autobahn traffic, at least at some of the concerts (the same scenes as in 1990-1993, I guess?) 10) Hall of Mirrors White (left) to dark grey (right) shaded rectangles (7), like a test-image. 11) Showroom Dummies The start of the promo video (animotion (or various stills) of the four dummy shilouettes). 12) Trans Europe Express The promo video (synchronised to the music) & additional video footage (railtracks in a bushy surrounding, some trackchanges (points?), point of view: front of a train (moving), maybe also through industrial area)) 13) Pocket Calculator Rainbow coloured stripes & the graphics from the "Pocket Calculator" 7" sleeve (still) & additional films or stills at some of the concerts (maybe taken from the promo video?) 14) The Robots The promo video (an extended version, I guess?) 15) It's more fun to compute ??? 16) Metropolis ??? Of course it is possible that they altered some of the videos during the tour. Additions and corrections are still welcome! :-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 03:55:00 +0900 From: "\"Kaoru CHIDA\" Subject: (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? Dear Boys, I searched the list of German Commercial Registration, and I found a company situated at the same address as Kling Klang Studio. Have you ever heard a name of company "Elektro Mueller GmbH"? Is this Kraftwerk's company??? Bye, KaoRu *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Greetings from the Far East xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 04:10:53 +0900 From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) Elektro Mueller GmbH? At 3:55 AM 97.8.11 +0900, \"Kaoru CHIDA\ wrote: >Dear Boys, > >I searched the list of German Commercial Registration, and I found >a company situated at the same address as Kling Klang Studio. >Have you ever heard a name of company "Elektro Mueller GmbH"? >Is this Kraftwerk's company??? Excuse me, but are you a Detective?? Sakura from tokyo Japan. UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:29:52 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Fonts (again) Liebe Werkers! Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font? Or does anyone know where to find it? Danke Uffe _________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:00:31 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger's Japan concerts Hallo Klaus and all, At 10 Aug 1997 20:15:39 +0000, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > I went to Tokyo gig and it took FOUR hours! > > Also Osaka gig took THREE hours. > > May I ask which tracks were performed at these concerts? Endless > improvisations a la la! NEU?, or also "classic" NEU! and La > Duesseldorf material? Sorry, it's out of memory, it was just too lengthy... ;-) According to Japanese magazine "ele-king" vol.11 (Feb/Mar 1997), Ken Matsutani (Mr. Captain Trip!) said the tracks were: Viva, Hero 96, Mayday, 22 Dec 1995, Amerika, and Cha cha 2000. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:18:09 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) The 1976 slide accompaniment Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also > interesting to compile all the known information about the visual > accompaniment of the 1976 tour. Hey? I've been missing something here! The 1976 tour? Where else than Paris did KW play in 1976? How come they played by then unreleased songs? (The TEE-album wasn't released until 1977, was it?) What else do we know about the 1976 (or is it 1977) tour? Regards /Conny Fornbäck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:14:45 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) The 1976 European tour > > While we're discussing the 1981 videos, I thought that it could be also > > interesting to compile all the known information about the visual > > accompaniment of the 1976 tour. > > Hey? I've been missing something here! > The 1976 tour? Where else than Paris did KW play in 1976? France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, Austria, and maybe also a few other European countries. > How come they played by then unreleased songs? Good question... > (The TEE-album wasn't released until 1977, was it?) Yes, it was released in February 1977. > What else do we know about the 1976 tour? Not too much, I'm afraid... But have a look at http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Harald.Westphal/kwarticles/tour1976.txt > (or is it 1977) No, definitely 1976. BTW: I wonder if there are any eye-witnesses of the 1976 tour subscribed to this list, who may be able to tell us a little bit more about it? ;-) Needless to say, I would be also extremely interested in any photos or live recordings from the 1976 concerts (except for the well-known radio broadcast from Paris 1976). Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:36:34 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press Now hear this, now hear this......! I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. There is Kraftwerk 1, gatefold cover with the orange traffic cone on the front and power station photo inside the gatefold. Kraftwerk 2 with green traffic cone on front with various pictures of Ralph and Florian with their instruments in 'hippy guise' inside the gatefold. Finally, Ralph and Florian LP, this is the copy with the picture of R&F on the front and the photo of them sitting behind their instruments in the studio on the reverse. Well the question is, how much are they,............fifteen pounds and ninety nine pence each (15.99 GBP), personally I think that is a bit too high, but that's only IMHO. Any orders? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:46:22 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Esperanto" re-released Elektric Music's "Esperanto" has been re-released on SPV in Germany. Catalogue number: SPV 076-92832. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:39:27 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Hot off the Press On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Craig Land wrote: > I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and > can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three > Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. Is it possible that these are rather counterfeit LP's instead of proper re-releases? May I ask for the catalogue numbers and also (if possible) for the matrix numbers of these LP's? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:23:17 -0400 From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: (kw) Got It. I was glad to find out that The Mix did come out on CD. (Dummy me, I should of known better) Anyways, I had some time to kill on Saturday before a movie and decided to check out the KW bin. They had TM along with the same Electric Cafe CD. Like I mentioned I have the cassette, but it got ruined. I can't believe I went without it for so long. It sounds awesome. I forgot how good it was. I'm not putting down the originals, but the enhancements on The Mix do justice to the old versions. Also there was a copy of Trancewerk Vol 1. (I think). Is it worth getting? Media Play wants $13.99 for it. I know, "Ralph, why don't you look up the archives?". I was hoping for a quick answer 'cause I don't have time right now to look it up. I should be working and not writing E-Mails at the moment. I want to get the CD if it is worth it before it gets gone. Just goes to show how little we get here in the states as to how much we get excited over the little things. Sincerely, Ralph Milam ralphm@mindspring.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:37:39 +0200 From: jss@onestone.de Subject: (kw) Nice TG review I found a very nice and complete review of Kraftwerk's appearance at the Tribal Gathering Festival: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/tg97.html regards, Joerg-Stefan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Standefer Subject: (kw) New to the list Happily, I came across this list as I was perusing the Kraftwerk FAQ. I'm glad to be in contact with other people who are interested in Kraftwerk's music. My name is Robert Standefer, and I am a software developer in Austin, TX. I am new to Kraftwerk (but not to electronic music) having bought "The Mix" in April. I loved it, only to find out later that most long-term fans hate it :). I now have "The Man-Machine" and "Computerworld", both being the American versions. I just have a few questions to start out: What is the "definitive" Kraftwerk album? Is it still available? How many record labels has Kraftwerk recorded for? Does Kraftwerk avoid the American concert scene (like Erasure and PSB)? I look forward to all correspondence! Robert Standefer _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:59:53 -0700 From: "Phil Fegan" Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt - Electric Dimension Forgive me if this subject has been discussed before, but if it has I haven't read it. I came across the above album in a record store here in Vegas. the cover is very KW'ish and the sleve cover dedicates the album to Ralf & Florian ( whoever they are!) The album is produced by Hypnotic Records, a division of Cleopatra - Cat No CLP9796-2. The address for Kraftwelt is in Denmark. Does anyone know anything about it / them ??? the music is very early KW but not too bad. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:41:16 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list >I just have a few questions to start out: First of all, let me just say "hi Rob" and welcome to our place of residence here in cyberspace. >What is the "definitive" Kraftwerk album? Is it still available? Well, there's no one album that is regarded as *the essential* Kraftwerk album, but in the past we used to take polls semi-regularly to determine the current favorite KW album amongst list members at the time. It's usually been a toss-up between 1978's 'The Man-Machine' and 1981's 'Computer World'. Kraftwerk's earlier material (1970-1975) tended not to fare as well with the fans due to its experimental and more avante-garde nature. Aside from the two aforementioned albums, 1977's 'Trans-Europe Express' is also highly regarded as one of KW's best works, having gained itself a reputation for being on the forefront of influence for much of the American hip-hop music which was to come shortly after its release. >How many record labels has Kraftwerk recorded for? Following unflattering sales of Organisation's 'Tone Float' album on RCA Records in 1970, KW shopped for a new label and then went on to release their next 4 albums (Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk 2, Ralf & Florian, Autobahn) on Germany's Philips label. Then in 1975 the band signed a new deal with EMI Records, which has represented KW's recordings in Germany ever since (Radio-Activity, Trans-Europe Express, The Man-Machine, Computer World, Electric Cafe, The Mix). Of course when these albums were released abroad in places like the USA and the UK, these issues were often represented by an assortment of labels, some of which were Vertigo, Mercury, Capitol, Elektra, and so forth. Nowadays you'll find re-issues of KW's work on smaller labels like Cleopatra and Alliance, and the sound quality of these re-issues is often quite debatable due to not having been mastered from the original source tapes. >Does Kraftwerk avoid the American concert scene (like Erasure and PSB)? It certainly would seem that way, now wouldn't it?! :-P As an American into Kraftwerk, I've never been lucky enough to have the opportunity to see them live. I believe that they had several dates scheduled for their 'Mix' tour, but those dates were ultimately cancelled so they never did make it here in the end. We've all read Bussy's book and have the idea that Kraftwerk aren't very big on the idea of touring in general, but whether or not they hold a personal vendetta against the USA has yet to be seen! :-) - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:41:02 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Well, so many thoughts to discuss... I only hope this discussion isn't getting too boring to other list members. I guess that we can go on, as long as we don't get any angry reaction. Here are some quick thoughts / answers : I know very well that KW used vocoders for lead vocals. But my remark was rather towards the custom vocoders made for them by Sennheiser and Siemens. what did they have that other vocoders didn't ? Did they have special features to handle special effects, like vocoded choirs ? If not, what's the purpose ? Yes, at the time of Pocket calculator, Ralf used to repeat that music would be made some day by everybody on simple instruments. But simplicity of use doesn't mean cheap sounds. And if everybody should be able to program and play their own music on simple instruments, why do the opposite and ask big companies to build unique and custom gear ? And yes, in the gigs they use little instruments and invite the audience to play with them. But we should keep in mind that those little boxes are mainly used as remote controls for all the gear behind them. The more I think of it, the more I'm sure that KW never really made research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm sure they spent more time on designing / building new interfaces for their instruments which were often the same as other (wealthy) musicians used. The sound manipulation discribed in a recent posting about how they made a continuous sound from the Mellotron makes sense. What bothers me is that this kind of manipulation is closer to studio techniques of the 50s and early 60s (cutting / pasting / looping pieces of tapes) than from techniques of the mid 70s. OK, let's say they used a mellotron in a special way on RA. But it seems that this instrument was also used on TEE (the vocal harmonies on Les mannequins). What could be the justification of using it for that song, if not a certain lazyness ? OK. If Wendy Carlos didn't manage to create a realistic vocoded choir sound in 1969, there's no use to try again until the end of times ! Yes, I'm a bit cynical, and for many reasons : - - what looked impossible in 69 could have looked different in 76, 7 years later... - - I still think that fairly acceptable vocoded choir sounds can be obtained from synth strings and a bank of formant filters. I think the result depends on the quality of the string sound (using a real string ensemble gives even better results), and also on the number and tuning of the filters. A couple of years ago, I even got better results with a phase vocoder, but that's technology of the 90s. - - none expected a REALISTIC choir sound from KW in 76. Because at that time, synth pop and vocoded singing were still quite new to a large part of the audience, and the emphasis was on the electronic aspects of the sounds rather than on realistic imitations of natural instruments. Wendy Carlos was a different case, in the sense that he/she reproduced classical works on a Moog. In that sense, the audience was invited to compare the two performances. KW is a different case : their purpose was to remove all acoustic stuff from their music and emphasis pure electronic music. In the interview I mentioned a couple of days ago, Ralf said that from the beginning their purpose was to create a "ElektronisheVolksMusik" or "IndustrielleVolksMusik", which he translates in french as "an electronic music for the people" or an "everyday day electronic music". And in the same interview (and many others) he claims that pure electronic instrumentation is the only way to go. Yes indeed, I think there are some unconsistencies between what they have said and the way they handle / approach technology in their compositions... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:16:21 -0700 From: HAS BEANS Subject: (kw) Hi from ROBOT [courtesy of "Has Beans", the KooLest KoffeeHaus in Eureka, CA, or ANYwhere on the Planet!!] PLEASE DO NOT HIT "REPLY TO"!! I'm on a "Borrowed" terminal. Hi, Y'all! I'm STILL off-line for God only knows how long. *ARGH*! I want my Computer back! Anyway- I was able to catch up on the past coupla weeks on the Archives- lively stuff! As for the comments about KW's private lives, they've always been very reclusive, and, as FanatiKal as I am, I respect that. -(I still say Sandhya Whaley is the Luckiest woman un the universe to have Florian's baby girl! 'not sure if they're legally m*rried. gr-r-r-r.)- So, play nice, everybuddy, til I get back. :] What else can I say? Any word on the NEW Album?? September, eh? I can't wait!! PS: I'm still waiting for my Nexus CD. Nexus? Did you send it to Tiger Moses first? Maybe he's still got it so he can burn a copy for himself. Just checking wassup. =OHM SWEET OHM= ROBOT@humboldt1.com 805 "M" Street Eureka, CA 95501-1947 USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 12:57:47 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Poll I'll give it till Wednesday for replies to filter through. A couple of you have mailed me lists of groups/artists, the idea was to submit ONE favourite group and ONE favourite artist. May I respectfully suggest you remail me with your revised suggestion. I'll post the result on Thursday. Regards to you all Rich richard.poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:49:15 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) to people in spain There is an "Aktivitat Spain" home page with information about the fanzine and a few articles as a sample of what can be found in Aktivitat. There is also information about the concerts in October. We could perhaps organise a trip if there's enough interest? Fill in the form. Now in spanish: Hay una pagina de "Aktivitat Spain" con informacion sobre el fanzine y algunos articulos como muestra de lo que se puede encontrar en Aktivitat. Tambien hay informacion sobre los conciertos en Octubre. Quizas podriamos organizar un viaje, si hay suficiente interes? Rellena el formulario. - - la musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, sonido electronico, decibel sintetico - Jose Garcia AKTIVITAT SPAIN (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) hppt://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:14:18 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album Bill C Talley wrote : >On an off note (pertaining to the "influence" of the new album) - I'm >thinking that it would be cool if KW did an album based on major ethnic >festivals and holidays. Today is Homowo, an African harvest festival - >I am listening to the rhythms and very minimal "xylophone" style >instruments and can imagine KW doing something similar (using electronic >soundscapes.) Your suggestions are very interesting. Let me tell some story. In the years 86-88, I was very deep into world beat production, especially algerian raï. At that time, one of my ideas was to have an album of raï produced by KW. But unfortunately, as everybody used to know that they declined every collaboration offer, the idea fell short. >Also, the exacting dances of some of the tribes >represented really look robotic. Well, here is some more story. At that time, I was working in Tlemcen, Algeria with some local producers / musicians. Those guys used to have very long tunes (10 to 12 minutes) in the traditionnal / repetitive mood, but played with a mix of traditional and electric guitars & electronic keyboards. Those tunes were full of cyclic patterns, polyrythmic percussions and other sequences, and i noticed that they used to play everything BY HAND ! They even used to detune the tom sound of a Linndrum to the low end, using the audible sampling frequency to emulate the resonnance of some local percussion (bendir). As I told them : why don't you sequence everything in order to save time ? they answered "no no, sequencing would give a much too mechanical feeling. We're playing everything by hand because the music needs flaws, little variations and the human touch". So, listen twice before deciding that the music of a tribe is robotic... BTW, I remember that Ralf used to say (at the time of EC, or was it the MIX ?) that their next album would be inspired by all european folk musics, in order to show that Europe is a true and unique multi-cultural continent. Will the next album feature electronic fado and flamenco, and Mellotron emulations of bag pipes ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:36:04 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" Roland Metzger wrote: > > Hi werkers > > I have spotted in a record store here in Zuerich a picture disc of > "Autobahn" (it says "Hecha in Mexico") for sale for CHF 50, which is ca. > USD 35. The one side of the disc depicts the four members of KW sitting at > a table in front of tree (as on the poster that came with the German TEE > LP), the other side > depicts the traffic cone, if I remember correctly. > > Does anybody know anything about this? I believe it is a bootleg. Is this > worth the money? > > Thanks for answers! I bought this item during my vacation in a recordstore in Soho/London this July. I payed 19.99 Pounds for it. The guy in the store told me that he had sold about 15! copies of it. My first impression was that this must be a bootleg, but I don't know exactly. C YA, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:16:50 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk & Love Parade According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were turned down by the organizers. There's also a review of the Tribal Gathering festival (incl. three Kraftwerk photos) in the same issue. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:31:50 +1400 From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing On 1997-08-11 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr said: >research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. >The sound manipulation discribed in a recent posting about how they >made a continuous sound from the Mellotron makes sense. What bothers >me is that this kind of manipulation is closer to studio techniques >of the 50s and early 60s (cutting / pasting / looping pieces of I can't tell much on tihs topic because I'm only 22 years old, but, if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. It certainly comes from the use of tapes. >seems that this instrument was also used on TEE (the vocal >harmonies on Les mannequins). What could be the justification of Also probably for the violins sounds on TEE itself. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Home Page: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald - bbs/Fax: 01 43 87 10 51 Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #121 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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