From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #122 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Thursday, August 14 1997 Volume 03 : Number 122 In this issue: Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" (kw) Re: Philips re-releases (kw) Hot off the Press 2 (kw) Re: Got It. Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade...AND rerelease Polygram LPs Re: (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album Re: (kw) New to the list Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... (kw) new album? (kw) Hot off the Press Re: (kw) New to the list (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo Re: (kw) who are the guests? (kw) Absence Re: (kw) Absence Re: (kw) Absence (kw) New material? Re: (kw) New material? (kw) Captain Trip/Indigo (kw) Classification SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification RE: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification (kw) Fonts ? Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Fonts ? Re: (kw) New material? (kw) Ocean of Sound See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:18:29 +0200 From: Olf Ranthiz Subject: Re: (kw) Mexican picuture disc of "Autobahn" This is definetly a bootleg like Kraftwerk I & II. - -- take care tf ************************************************************* "Drinking and smoking are bad for the health" -Charles Bukowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:04:57 +0000 From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Subject: (kw) Re: Philips re-releases Hi there, Those 'Philips re-releases' are bootlegs. They are very good and even the labels are faithfully reproduced. But the matric number on the KW 1 I examined is 'KRF-01 A/B' and is totally different from the original KW 1 matrix , which includes the numbers of the original catalogue number (6305 058). The sleeve has probably been scanned and cleande up (some pats of the 'Kraftwerk' printing show differences), and the catalogue number is missing on the backside. The copy I saw included a full-sized repro of the R&F poster (OBVIOUSLY a repro print). The inside pic. of KW 1 is also clearly a repro - darker and a bit fuzzy. The sound quality of the record is ok, but the labels are a bit 'loose' around the edge - this shouldn't happen with official pressings. It is, all in all, an almost perfect bootleg of a german KW 1 pressing. (Can't comment on the other ones, I have only seen the KW1) On the Mexican pic. disc of Autobahn, I can say: it gives the impression it's made by the 'Dis*Colleccion' label, an EMI company in Mexico. They also put out a pic. disc of the Pet Shop Boys' 'Very' LP, and probably more. Certainly, a bootlegger may know that and could use this label name, too. I fear there's no way to clear this up unless one goes to Mexico... Gunther Poecker poecker@pool.uni-mannheim.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:59:44 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press 2 Further to requests from list members for more info on the KW 1, 2 and R&F LP's I have seen for sale, please note that I have only been able to obtain the following; Kraftwerk 1 Philips 6305 058 Kraftwerk 2 Philips 6305 117 R&F Philips 6305 197 As the shop was busy and I was pushed for time I couldn't get hold of the vinyl itself to check the numbers or labels (the shop only puts the empty sleeves in the racks), but I have already received one e:mail from a list member who thinks he has seen KW 1 already and thinks it is a bootleg. The descision is yours. I also purchased a Mouse on Mars 12 inch which is limited to 1000 copies as there has been plenty of talk on the list about this group. It's called 'cache coeur naif', it includes the title track plus three others, 'lazergum, glim, schnick-schnack'. I will let you know what I think later. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:42:59 +0200 From: Morten Moen Subject: (kw) Re: Got It. Well I certainly think "Trancewerk Express Vol. I" is worth having. But then again I buy everything that has "Kraftwerk" written on it :-) If you liked "The Mix" then I think you'll like TEV as well (although I must add that TM is MUCH better). I think they have done justice to these old KW tunes but on the downside you could say that they all sound more or less "the same". BTW I've heard that TEV Vol. II is out now. I haven't been able to get it yet though. Morten. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:43:33 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing On 1997-08-11 JBV.SILENCES@wanadoo.fr said: >research on sound synthesis (except for the digital voices). I'm bonald@worldnet.fr replied : >Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. No, no ! this confirms what I said : only the interface was new (sticks with chords), but the percussive sounds themselves (as far as I can hear on the albums) could have been generated by any modular synth (filtered noise with ADSR, etc.) >if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end >of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and >also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say >small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. >It certainly comes from the use of tapes. Mmmmh... Sorry, but no again. I'm still convinced that the choir on RA is made with more material than the Mellotron only (at least in the body and the end of the song). The static "AAAAAA" which sounds like a vocoded male voice at the end (after the rythmic stuff fades away) is IMO a vocoded electronic signal through a bank of formant filters (or even a "sampled" waveform of a vocal signal driven by a VCO). Yes, I noticed the small breaks in that sound, and I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sure it doesn't come from the use of tapes. I made extensive tapes cut-up in the 70s, and I can tell you that carefully cutting the tape allows you to make wonderful and seamless fades in & out. jbv PS : what amuses me is to think that probably dozens of people around the planet listened to that choir sound again and again in order to make their opinion... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:15:45 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade...AND rerelease Polygram LPs Klaus Zaepke wrote... According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, = Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, = apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were = turned down by the organizers. TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who knows.... = If I had known this already a week ago I could have asked Dr. Motte (founder of the Love Parade)directly, since he was DJinghere in Switzerla= nd last Saturday at a Rave and I was hanging around very close to him for a few hours... Maybe I can ask the organizer of this rave to get back to him to find out. Would be interesting to know the truth! = PS Maybe they appear out of nowhere at this Saturdays Street Parade here= in Zuerich...I, for my part, woul not mind at all... I have seen these new Vinyl releases at Selectadisc and Sister Ray in London for UKP 15 as well. The stores labelled it with "Very limited edition-import", they certainly= look nice....but I think they were Bootlegs so I didnt buy em.... Something just didnt feel right/complete... Cheers Roland # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:42:12 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re : Thoughts about the new album >> >Will the next album feature electronic fado and flamenco, and >> >Mellotron emulations of bag pipes ? >> > >> >jbv >> > >> god forbid....another delerium album.... >> >> tom w >> >> np: ambient 4 : isolationism (virgin) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list Kraftwerk had a concert scheduled at the Beacon Theater in NYC in September of 1991-- two nights, around the 20th and the 21st if memory serves--but canceled about a week before it was supposed to happen. I was thinking of keeping the ticket stub as a collector's item, but decided not to--I'd get frustrated every time I looked at it, far outweighing it's "collector's item" status (at least for me; I'm sure many of you on this list would give a lot to have it!) Although, a part of me wishes I'd kept it.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 97 19:02:44 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts + dancing jbv was saying: >>Not so sure, think on electronic drums they created/used. >No, no ! this confirms what I said : only the interface was new >(sticks with chords), but the percussive sounds themselves (as far >as I can hear on the albums) could have been generated by any >modular synth (filtered noise with ADSR, etc.) It was mentioned in a BBC Radio documentary on Kraftwerk that they tore the rythmic device out of an old organ and used that for percussion. Perhaps they modified it to be triggered by the "knitting needles". It is also very easy to do this on a modular synthesizer. >>if you listen carefully to the voices on Radio Activity, in the end >>of the song in particular, you will notice small pitch variations and >>also hmmm.... my English is too bad to find the good words, but I'd say >>small breaks in the sound continuity/volume. >>It certainly comes from the use of tapes. >Mmmmh... Sorry, but no again. I'm still convinced that the choir on >RA is made with more material than the Mellotron only (at least in >the body and the end of the song). The static "AAAAAA" which sounds >like a vocoded male voice at the end (after the rythmic stuff fades >away) is IMO a vocoded electronic signal through a bank of formant >filters (or even a "sampled" waveform of a vocal signal driven by >a VCO). I will have to examine this track more carefully, but from memory the use of vocoder here did not occur to me. I'm sure you're probably right though! :) >Yes, I noticed the small breaks in that sound, and I don't know where >it comes from, but I'm sure it doesn't come from the use of tapes. >I made extensive tapes cut-up in the 70s, and I can tell you that >carefully cutting the tape allows you to make wonderful and seamless >fades in & out. Agreed - I have done the same even on amateur 4 track equipment and got wonderful results. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad. - -- Salvador Dali # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:26:55 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... > > According to issue 47 of the German freebie music magazine Groove, > > Kraftwerk wanted to appear at this year's "Love Parade" in Berlin, > > apparently with an open air concert at the Siegessaeule, but they were > > turned down by the organizers. > > TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who > knows.... The small report in Groove is relatively detailed, with quite some facts about the negotiations with Kraftwerk. Personally I don't think that it is a mere rumour or a hoax. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:47:21 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk and the Love parade... > TURNED DOWN BY THE ORGANIZERS! Sounds unlikely...but who > knows.... I don't know, but I guess a formal concert would break a bit the Love Parade's spirit, with all that street dancing and trucks (sp?) with the sound equipment and stuff... I think that's why the organizers turned down Kraftwerk's offer... Just a thought. Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:47:39 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) new album? Do you believe the new album will be released soon? Until now i have heard it would be out in september, then it moves to october. But emi cannot confirm anything. Then the sparse two concerts. Wouldn't a small tour be more appropiate for the release of a new album? I am quite pessimist by now and i do not think they'll release a new album in two months time. Rumours for a mix 2 have been in and out since 1991. There were rumours of a new album with the concerts in 1993 and afterwards. There was even a rumoured title. Nothing so far. There was a scheduled release of a new Tour de France version. It was cancelled. Result: i repeat, i am quite pessimist. I wish i was wrong. Jose Garcia AKTIVITAT SPAIN (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) hppt://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:16:16 +0000 From: "Jose Garcia" Subject: (kw) Hot off the Press > I have just been into a record collectors shop near where I work and > can report that last Monday, Phillips re-released the first three > Kraftwerk albums on vinyl. I believe this are counterfeit. I have also seen brand new vinyls for the NEU! albums, sealed and all. These look to me as counterfeit items. Jose Garcia Aktivitat Spain (Unofficial Kraftwerk fanzine) http://www.arrakis.es/~jgc/aktivitat.htm aktivitat@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) New to the list In a message dated 97-08-12 21:05:40 EDT, Spotnik@aol.com writes: << Kraftwerk had a concert scheduled at the Beacon Theater in NYC in September of 1991-- two nights, around the 20th and the 21st if memory serves--but canceled about a week before it was supposed to happen. >> I still have my ticket stub for their 1991 concert at the Warfield in San Francisco.....that was of course cancelled. Oh, was I ever depressed!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:28:25 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo From alt.music.makers.dj: > Subject: * NEW KRAFTWERK PROJECT (YAMO) * > From: Cleopatra > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:00:00 -0700 > > * * BRAND NEW KRAFTWERK PROJECT * * > > WOLFGANG FLUR one of the fab four is now releasing "(YAMO) - Time > Pie" in September. The first solo material _ever_ from WOLFGANG FUR > and the first new material to be released in the United States by _any_ member > of KRAFTWERK in over 8 years... Wolfgang will be in New York City for > the CMJ conference in the fall. It is the first time any member of > KRAFTWERK has been back to America since 1981. This is KRAFTWERK > in the nineties. > > Video for YAMO, "STEREOMATIC" should be on AMP soon... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:40:48 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: Re: (kw) who are the guests? >JRindfrey@aol.com >I don't know if this has already been discussed, but in the >announcement for >the Karlsruhe concert it says "Kraftwerk and guests". Anybody knows who >the >"guests" are? Robots? Clones On Ralf & Florian? U will see. Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE - ------------------------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:14:53 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Absence Calling all Robot/ Man Machine's, I thought that I should give you all advanced warning that I will be going into hospital for a knee operation this coming Monday (18 August), so I will not be able to respond to any e:mails. I have a few things to sort out for other list members so I will write to them personally. I am not too sure when I will be returning as the surgeon has stated that I will be off work for two weeks and that I should not drive for four weeks. Fortunately I do have access to an automatic (a 'Quality' car Rich me boy!), so the driving won't be an issue, but I will have to wait really to see how quickly I recover. Anway, one thing is for sure, at least I will be able to sit at home in peace and quiet listening to all my music, of course thinking of you guys sitting behind your desks working hard!! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 14:09:29 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re: (kw) Absence Sealand wrote: Fortunately I do have access to an automatic (a 'Quality' car Rich me boy!), so the driving won't be an issue, but I will have to wait really to see how quickly I recover. >>What he means is he likes to pretend he is Knightrider, driving one of those strange American sportscars, it's just a replacement phallus really! Sorry to go off-topic but I just had to respond<< Bye y'all Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Standefer Subject: Re: (kw) Absence I also apologize for posting off-topic, but I just had to say that it is very exciting to correspond with people who *don't* live in the United States. I don't mean to sound like a country-bumpkin (I actually am quite cosmopolitan, and long for my first home--Heidelberg). And Richard, what do you mean, "strange American sportscars"?! :) Robert Standefer - ---"POOLTON, Richard" wrote: > >What he means is he likes to pretend he is Knightrider, driving one of those > strange American sportscars, it's just a replacement phallus really! Sorry to go > off-topic but I just had to respond > Rich _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:20:49 PST From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: (kw) New material? Hi again, Being new to the mailing list, I don't know if this topic already went around. When Kraftwerk played in the UK recently, did they perform any new material? Also has there been any news of a new album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts if they weren't putting something out, but one never knows. Thanks! /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:01:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? >Hi again, > Being new to the mailing list, I don't know >if this topic already went around. When Kraftwerk >played in the UK recently, did they perform any new >material? Hi Don. Yes, Kraftwerk did indeed perform a new song at the Tribal Gathering back in May. The title of the piece is still unconfirmed at this time, and the debate as to the merits of it or lack thereof have been debated back and forth on the list. Some feel it sounds too amateur and not worthy of Kraftwerk, and others feel it's a logical progression for KW's music into the 21st century. If you're capable of playing .wav files, let me know and I'll send you the 30 second clip of the track as previewed on M-TV. I also believe there's an .au version of it floating around out there on somebody's KW page as well. Also has there been any news of a new >album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts >if they weren't putting something out, but one never >knows. News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved once again to October, perhaps to coincide with the release of Wim Wender's film "The End of Violence" this fall which is scheduled to feature a new KW song in its soundtrack. Until then, everyone will keep themselves glued to the news. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Wir sind die Roboter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:03:48 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Captain Trip/Indigo Some of Klaus Dinger's releases on the Japanese Captain Trip label will be made available in Germany through Indigo as imports. The "NEU! 4" album is already available (Captain Trip/Fuenfundvierzig/Indigo CD 4506-2). The first La Duesseldorf album and the la! NEU? album are scheduled for late August. More albums are in preparation. (Info taken from the September issue of Notes.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Standefer Subject: (kw) Classification I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called industrial, ambient, and trance...what's the lowdown? When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't exactly know what classifies as trance and ambient...do you? I had a party last week and played "The Man-Machine" as a dance track. My guests loved it, but I was hard pressed when asked what kind of music it was. I just said it was electronic :). I appreciate your input. Robert Standefer _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:44:15 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Classification - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Robert Standefer=20 Skickat: den 13 augusti 1997 14:57 Till: kraftwerk@xmission.com =C4mne: (kw) Classification I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? =20 Hi Rob and fellow Werkers. What=B4s wrong with "Robotpop"? :-) Noone makes music like Kraftwerk (except for Komputer ;-), so why not just call it "Robotpop"?=20 Regards Uffe=20 _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification >I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: >What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called >industrial, ambient, and trance...what's the lowdown? Well, there's never been any one definitive category or genre which sums up what Kraftwerk does, so I've always chosen to call it by the names that the band themselves deemed most appropriate, "industrial folk music" and "techno-pop". Clearly if we were to apply a rational logic to it, we could classify the band's early material from 'Tone Float' through 'Kraftwerk 2' as "experimental" of a sort. Beyond that, the music's pop potential really began to shine through and by the time 'Trans-Europe Express' was released, they had established themselves on a strong electronic pop foundation. >When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, >Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't >exactly know what classifies as trance and ambient...do you? From my experience, I've often found "trance" referring to more of the music which has been popular in the British club and rave scene, often techno-influenced repetitious bits with pulsing rhythms and hypnotic bass lines. As far as Kraftwerk are concerned, I wouldn't classify any of their music as "trance" thus far (who's to say what's next from them at this point!). As far as "ambient" is concerned, I suppose some of KW's early moody selections like "Megaherz", "Mitternacht", "Ananas Symphonie", and so forth would be likely candidates for the ambient genre. And as for "industrial" music, I do believe that Kraftwerk was one of the pioneers who created that genre in the first place. I think Kraftwerk are industrial in the same sense that Front242 was industrial back in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 with their 'That Total Age' LP. For me, those were some of the truly classic industrial outfits: The sounds and rhythms were electronic and mechanical, containing samples of machinery used as a percussive device. The music in essence was the machine and vice versa. Today, unfortunately, industrial music is coming to take on the identity of anything grating, loud, drilling, and basically difficult to enjoy for music's sake alone. Perhaps I'm just sentimental, but it seems to me that Kraftwerk's industrial or mechanical music (a la "The Robots", "Metal On Metal", "TEE", "Autobahn", etc.) despite their minimalism, always had much more depth, meaning, and conceptualism to them than what is currently being produced by electronic acts today. >I had a party last week and played "The Man-Machine" as a dance track. > My guests loved it, but I was hard pressed when asked what kind of >music it was. I just said it was electronic :). That's always the safe answer. :) Of course, if you were to play any selection off of 'The Mix', there'd be no doubt in people's minds that KW are a dance band. However, if those same people were to hear the original versions of those "re-mixed" tracks, perhaps they too would find themselves hard-pressed to locate an appropriate label. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com Wir sind die Roboter... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:11:51 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification > > I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > Umm...Music non-stop? Technopop? Synthetic, electronic sounds, industrial rhythms, all around? I like to think of it as "music for computer programmers" but that's just a personal bias. :) - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Life in it's purest form is pass/fail. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:35:34 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification > > I have a broad question here, open to interpretation: > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > >Umm...Music non-stop? Technopop? >Synthetic, electronic sounds, industrial rhythms, all around? >I like to think of it as "music for computer programmers" but that's >just a personal bias. :) Yeah ! I agree ! "Music non-stop" is an excellent definition. You will look terrific in your parties when people ask "what kind of crap is it ?" and when you answer "it's music non-stop" ! May I suggest also : Musik Aus dem Lautsprecher ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:44:32 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Classification >>> Noone makes music like Kraftwerk (except for Komputer ;-), so why not just call it "Robotpop"? <<< Moreover Florian likes to call it robot-pop! kewwwl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:48:02 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification > > What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? > Even better : Boing Boom Tschak ! jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:05:03 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) Fonts ? >Uffe Silverup >Liebe Werkers! >Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >does anyone know where to find it? Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the 'The Mix' album. I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Georgie Rendez-vous auf den Champs Elysees Verlass' Paris am Morgen mit dem TEE - ------------------------------------------- http://www.kraftwerk.com - -- ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:59 PDT From: "Pete Liethen" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification >Even better : Boing Boom Tschak ! > >jbv Well, Boing Boon Tschak sums up most of Kraftwerk's music. I find when I try to discribe what it, I just say "It falls into a category somwhere between techno and well, just listen, it's Kraftwerk" and I then hand them my earphones (or crank up the stereo) Kraftwerk is in a catagory of there own. Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.dragonfire.net/~petenet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Fonts ? >>Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >>does anyone know where to find it? >Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the >'The Mix' album. >I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is >called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Just to clarify a bit, the fonts used on the covers of 'Electric Cafe' and on 'The Mix' are not the same. The one on 'Electric Cafe' is commonly referred to as "LED" or "Liquid Crystal". I've seen several different versions of this font, some slightly more true to the one on the album. If anyone would like a copy of this 'Electric Cafe' truetype font, just e-mail me about it. As for the font on 'The Mix', I don't know the technical name for it, but it's clearly a variation of dot matrix, as the pixels are so apparent. - -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Boing Boom Tschak...TechnoPop!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:08:44 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? > News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in > Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, > which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved once > again to October, And if we can believe the September issue of Intro, it is now scheduled for spring 1998. I quote: "Kraftwerk werden am 18.10. in Karlsruhe ihren einzigen Auftritt in Deutschland absolvieren und dabei erstmalig Material des fuer das naechste Fruehjahr angekuendigten neuen Albums spielen!" Translation: Kraftwerk will perform material from their forthcoming new album for the first time during their concert in Karlsruhe. The album release is scheduled for spring. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:09:48 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Ocean of Sound A German language version of David Toop's book "Ocean of Sound", which features an interview with Ralf Huetter, was announced from Hannibal/Indigo. German title: "Ocean of Sound. Klang, Geraeusch, Stille". Translation: Diedrich Diederichsen. Catalogue number: ZB 7678-0. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #122 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-kraftwerk": subscribe kraftwerk-digest local-kraftwerk@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "kraftwerk-digest" in the commands above with "kraftwerk". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/kraftwerk/archive. 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