From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #123 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Thursday, August 14 1997 Volume 03 : Number 123 In this issue: Re: (kw) New material? Re: (kw) Classification RE: (kw) Fonts ? (kw) Mouse On Mars (kw) Pizzicato 5 Re: (kw) Classification (kw) Your poll results. Re: (kw) Your poll results. Re: (kw) Classification SV: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #122 -Reply Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Re: (kw) New material? Re: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) New material? Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo Re: (kw) Classification RE: SV: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) New material? Re: (kw) Classification Re: SV: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Your poll results. Re[2]: SV: (kw) Classification Re[2]: (kw) Classification Re: (kw) Classification (kw) Karshrule Concert See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:54:01 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Hi there Werkers, Klaus recently quoted; Translation: Kraftwerk will perform material from their forthcoming new album for the first time during their concert in Karlsruhe. The album release is scheduled for spring. Klaus Zaepke Does this mean that we are to expect a different set to that played at Tribal Gathering? Will those lucky few from the list who will attend the European gigs get to hear more new songs than those of us who just heard the 'one' at TG? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:29:47 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >Front242 was industrial back >in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 I was hoping somebody would mention the two definitions of industrial... ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:24:08 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Fonts ? >>Liebe Werkers! >>Sorry to bother you, but does anyone have the "Electric Cafe" font?Or >>does anyone know where to find it? >Which Do you mean? The one at the sleeve? They are the same as at the >'The Mix' album. >I don't have exactly the same, but mine look simular. The Font is >called 'Lowtech'. Yes, and it also looks a bit kraftwerkish... Its not the same as in the Mix. I have one rather similar called LEDfont... if someone wants it email me... I think I also have the mix one see ya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:23:00 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Mouse On Mars In message , Klaus Zaepke writes >> WOLFGANG FLUR one of the fab four is now releasing "(YAMO) - Time >> Pie" in September. The first solo material _ever_ from WOLFGANG FUR >> and the first new material to be released in the United States by _any_ member >> of KRAFTWERK in over 8 years... This is the thing he's done with Mouse On Mars which they, allegedly, aren't happy with. Has anyone heard a promo of the forthcoming MOM album, "Autoditacker" yet? It's picking up great reviews here (UK) - "it's a perky poppy set that more often than not centres its wobbly spooniverse around kitschy keyboard codes that sound uncannily Krafty..." says NME. They play London in September too. Can't wait. - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Woah! Suggest you all check out the track "Contact" on the forthcoming Pizzicato 5 album, "Happy End Of the World" (Matador) - massive sections of "Pocket Calculator" sampled. Sounds cool; great record. - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:56:02 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Classification miffo man wrote: >What is Einsturzende Neubauten or Die hafler trio then? >2 more or?? hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. I don't want to get into a 'who is more industrial' debate, just stating who I found alluring. BTW, I never found EN that interesting to listen to either. ciao, - -------------------------------------------- Jules Seifert 'The Voice of Energy' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 11:48:02 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: (kw) Your poll results. There were very clear winners, 20% of voters favoured Depeche Mode, no other band had more than one vote, and NO ONE voted for Electrik Musik! 20% of voters favoured Gary Numan as best solo artists (great choice I reckon), David Bowie came in second with 10% of the vote, no other artist got more than one vote. Any conclusions anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:14:28 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Your poll results. I for one voted for Depeche Mode because they have continually produced fine material, progressing from 'Dreaming of Me' right upto the excellent 'Home'. True they were influenced by KW, but how many more groups from the eighties are still around producing bang upto date electronic music? Not many, and IMHO no-one of the quality of DM. Also, the fact that most of their single releases have been issued in multiple formats and mixes make them a very interesting band to collect. Gary Numan, well enough has been said in the past on him, love him or hate him (and there can't be that many that hate him judging from this poll), you cannot listen to this guys music without having your heart strings pulled at some point or other. His devotion, dedication and love for producing something away from the main stream and giving audiences something new demands total respect. Regarding Elektric Music, well I for one won't vote for a band that has only released one album, which sounds just like something out of Kling Klang! I like this album alot, but seriously, you don't honestly think that this was a major revelation in terms of progression from the KW sound do you? An average rating is all it gets in my book I'm afraid (well I'm not Afraid really, just truthful). Good work Richie Boy! Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:38:15 +1000 From: Adam Read Subject: Re: (kw) Classification Jules Seifert wrote: > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). There are many who would call thier musik industrial, but I think it's really only thier samples (....don't flame me! :-@ ). But when I think about it.. there are a lot of similarities between Throbbing Gristle and Kraftwerk in thier attidudes about industrial enviromental sounds being the 'musik' of the 20th century and the involvement of machines in sound. BTW - one vote for T.G. in the poll!. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:36:25 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: SV: (kw) Classification - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Adam Read=20 Skickat: den 14 augusti 1997 13:38 Till: Jules Seifert Kopia: Kraftwerk Mailing List =C4mne: Re: (kw) Classification Jules Seifert wrote: > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. Adam Read wrote: I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but what = about Cabaret Voltaire? IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. Even Die Krupps first 12" (Stahlwerk symphonie) and D.A.F.s "Die Kleine = Und Die Bosen" is in my opinion "Industrial". Further more is there a difference between the European and the American = meaning of "Industrial"? (I=B4ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", but = are they really?) As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body = Music"?=20 =20 Uffe=00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:45:15 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Uffe Silverup wrote: >As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body = Music"?=20 certainly not in the UK!!! - -------------------------------------------- Julian Seifert jseifert@cableinet.co.uk London, UK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:55:40 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification The only thing I used to have by Front 242 was an album which contained Official Version, Television and Quite Unusual,etc.,etc I don't know how this fairs with their other releases? Is there anything better than this? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification >The only thing I used to have by Front 242 was an album which >contained Official Version, Television and Quite Unusual,etc.,etc >I don't know how this fairs with their other releases? Is there >anything better than this? Hey Craig. The album you have of theirs was released circa 1986/1987. They'd been around since about 1981 however, so there is earlier music of theirs which may have more of a Kraftwerk influence detectable. Perhaps their first album 'Geography' from '81, often regarded as a classic in some circles. I myself prefer 1987's 'Backcatalogue', a sort of best hits compilation of some of their most significant work from over the years spanning '81-'87. Today many fans of 242 mainly appreciate them for their later & more commercial tracks like "Headhunter", "Rhythm of Time", and so forth. Also terrific stuff mind you, but I'm a sucker for their early and more experimental sounds. Pascal Bussy's book contains various segments from his interviews with Front242's Patrick Codenys, a self-proclaimed Kraftwerk fan since he bought the 'Autobahn' LP back in '74. I had always made parallels between early 242 and Kraftwerk before reading the interviews, so it's nice to see how it all pieces together. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:14:49 -0500 From: Subrata Bhattacharjee Subject: (kw) kraftwerk Digest V3 #122 -Reply I will be out of the office until Friday, August 15. If your message is urgent, please leave a telephone message with my assistant, Anna Mok, at 869-7778. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:21:30 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification Uffe Silverup wrote: >=20 > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: Adam Read > Skickat: den 14 augusti 1997 13:38 > Till: Jules Seifert > Kopia: Kraftwerk Mailing List > =C4mne: Re: (kw) Classification >=20 > Jules Seifert wrote: >=20 > > hehe I was merely pointing out the two bands that to me changed my > > life as far as industrial sounds were concerned. Although NE and 242 > > have since watered themselves down, they were an integral ( and > > important part) of the industrial insurgence in the mid/late eighties. >=20 > Adam Read wrote: > I think the term is industrial RE-surgence in 1985/6 >=20 > The only 'Industrial' was Throbbing Gristle in 1977-81, who coined the > term (from thier label 'Industrial Records'). >=20 > I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but > wh= at about Cabaret Voltaire? >=20 Yeah, CabVoltaire and Monte Cazzazza were also on Industrial Records and could therefore also be termed Industrial, by the strictest definitions. I don't subscribe to the strictest definitions, though. As far as I'm concerned, Industrial music includes all inheritors of that TG/CV legacy...Skinny Puppy had the CV experimental electronics and the over-the-top shock value of TG. Hence, I call 'em Industrial. 90% of the electro since then has been Skinny Puppy influences, so to me it's still industrial, although a few generations removed from the source. > IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. >=20 > Even Die Krupps first 12" (Stahlwerk symphonie) and D.A.F.s "Die Kleine= Und Die Bosen" is in my opinion "Industrial". >=20 > Further more is there a difference between the European and the America= n meaning of > "Industrial"? > (I=B4ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", bu= t > are they really?) >=20 I hate this discussion. "American" industrial? "European" industrial?=20 The both come from the same source. American listeners are, unfortunately, a bit less receptive to synthesizers than european audiences and thus music produced over here tends to use guitars more as noisemakers than synths. But it's not exclusive. There's are some damn good american electronic bands (Mentallo and the Fixer, Oneiroid Psychosis, etc) and some good european guitar bands (which I can't name because I don't listen to guitar music all that much anymore). NIN and Ministry are no exceptions. Granted, they're both leaning heavily to the pop side of things these days, but they still know their roots.=20 Trent's a big Neubauten fan so I give him credit for that. =20 > As for 242 and Nitzer Ebb, aren=B4t they labeled "Electronic Body > Mus= ic"? EBM is...well, it's another record label. For me, it's easier to find the "industrial" section of a CD store than it is to find the "EBM", "American Industrial", "Euro-Industrial", and "Post-Industrial" sections. I wouldn't even be able to tell you who is an EBM band and who isn't anymore, and electronic music is a passion of mine. So many artists have either accepted or disavowed that label, I dunno what to think. Well, just my $.02 - --=20 =3D--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=3D=20 | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |=20 =3D------------------------------------------------------------------=3D The horror! The horror! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Standefer Subject: Re: (kw) Classification - ---Uffe Silverup wrote: > > Further more is there a difference between the European and the American meaning of > "Industrial"? > (I´ve seen NIN and Ministry being described as "Industrial-Bands", but are they really?) > Yes, I think they are, specifically in the case of Ministry. Alain Jourgensen (Ministry) started his band waaay back in the early 80s (82?). They were significantly more poppy then, like Erasure rather than Skinny Puppy. Ever hear the song "Halloween"? Richard 23 from Front 242 collaborated with Alain on one of the Revolting Cocks records. When I think industrial music, I think Front 242. NIN has strayed from the industrial genre (Pretty Hate Machine) and gone into something I can't describe. Both Ministry and NIN at one time fit a different kind of industrial sound...it reminds me more of a large factory producing automobiles, with heavy machinery sounds. Some Americans agree that industrial is a fusion of heavy metal (ie Pantera) and electronica (ie New Order). Play your synths with a harsh electric guitar and you have American industrial. A lot of my friends here in Austin think that a guy (or guys) on stage with just synthesizers is wimpy, a blast from the 80s. I think that's one of the reasons electronic acts like 808 State and New Order don't fare well live, while "conventional" acts like Garth Brooks and Alanis Morrissette sell out arenas. Heck, maybe it's an American v. European thing...The Cure didn't sell out a large venue here, while Hootie and the Blowfish did. I couldn't get a ticket to The Cure in Belgium to save my life. Even U2 ticket sales aren't meeting expectations. The only exception to the above is the Spice Girls, but they're an abomination all their own :). Sorry for straying from the original topic into a discussion of continents...I do that sometimes. > Uffe robert _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:55:16 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Pizzicato 5 Hi Gien and all, Am 14 Aug 1997 11:12:33 +0100, schreibt Glen: > Woah! Suggest you all check out the track "Contact" on the forthcoming > Pizzicato 5 album, "Happy End Of the World" (Matador) - massive sections > of "Pocket Calculator" sampled. Sounds cool; great record. "Contact"? I got Japanese version of the album, from Nippon Columbia (Cat. Nr. COCA-14242), but it doesn't have the track. :-( If you have chance, could you please let us know its track listing for our info? Anyway, the album is full of cool & pop sound, created by Yasuharu Konishi (Mr. Pizicatto Five) and Yukihiro Fukutomi (a techno musician/DJ). Quite different from Kraftwerkish sounds, though. When Yasuharu played DJ at a party (namely at "Sound Museum" Opening Party of Towa Tei, on 16-17/May/1997 at "YELLOW" Nishi-Azabu Tokyo), his play was totally fantastic! Dozens of electrical/boingboomtschak/moscowdiscow sampled sound appeared! He showed some preview tracks from the albums also. ;-) At the party, I and my friends loved the Theme of Rocky (yes, that boxing hero on film!) arranged with drum'n'bass! Cheers, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:55:08 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) New material? Hi Klaus and all, Am 14 Aug 1997 09:08:44 +0000, schreibt Klaus Zaepke: > > News of a new KW album continues to circulate. According to EMI in > > Germany, a new Kraftwerk release had initially been scheduled for June, > > which was then bumped back to September. Last I heard, it's been moved > > once again to October, > > And if we can believe the September issue of Intro, it is now > scheduled for spring 1998. Umm... Same thing happened in the beginning of this year... :-( I once posted it to this list over a half year before, that Japanese Toshiba EMI once announced they'd begin selling Kraftwerk's totally brand new work on 29/Jan/1997. Catalog Nr was provided... Anyway, thanks so much for the info Klaus, and please keep us informed! 8-) Prost! Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:54:39 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Classification >What kind of music does Kraftwerk create? I've heard it called electronic, I'll say... >When I think of industrial, I think of bands like Skinny Puppy, >Ministry, and nine inch nails. KW doesn't fit in there...and I don't mmmh... this use of the definition industrial actually seem strange to me... I would not really call industrial anything with electric guitar on it... or in which the vocal are raucal (sp?)... >music it was. I just said it was electronic :). yes, you said it! and anyway, when I think to industrial music I think to Metropolis or Computerworld, for instance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:54:37 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) New material? >album? I wouldn't think they'd be playing concerts well, actually they made a surprize tour in Italy some year ago (Grassina near Firenze) and we were all waiting for the *new* song... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:54:41 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification >so why not just call it "Robotpop"? yes, even the pop aspect is important in K music. after all it was themselves that said that in the '50s and '60s Germany in which they lived their youth there was a sort of vacuum about the tradition, everything seemed to be imported from Usa or non existent, so they could have had the opportunity to start from the blank a part of the new mass culture... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:54:35 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Cleopatra advert for Yamo >> the CMJ conference in the fall. It is the first time any member of >> KRAFTWERK has been back to America since 1981. This is mmmh... I think this ad from Cleopatra is a complete lack of taste. if I was Fluer I'll be very disappointed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification >A lot of my friends here in Austin think that a guy (or guys) on stage >with just synthesizers is wimpy, a blast from the 80s. I think that's >one of the reasons electronic acts like 808 State and New Order don't >fare well live, while "conventional" acts like Garth Brooks and Alanis >Morrissette sell out arenas. All I know is that I saw both 808 State and New Order perform live on the same stage in the summer of '93, and that performance was anything but wimpy! 808 State created a virtual world up there on stage using a full laser light show, and I felt more like I was in a planetarium than a concert! It was truly fantastic. And as for New Order, I tend not to think of them as one of the 80's synthesizer acts in the same way I think of Depeche Mode, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc. New Order's live shows have always featured Bernard Sumner on guitar and Peter Hook on bass, so that always did away with the "4-man at synth console" approach. Take Depeche Mode on the other hand - anyone who watches their 101 video of the "music for the masses" tour in 1988 would think they stole their entire set design concept from Kraftwerk! Perhaps that's another reason why I loved them so much. :-) - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:19:48 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: SV: (kw) Classification >>> Psychosis, etc) and some good european guitar bands (which I can't name <<< On a heavily off-topik note, am I the only My Bloody Valentine fan here? Think they're the best band of the nineties..... although they only released Loveless in 91 in this decade. I mostly hate guitars, but these guys know how to use them... >>> The only exception to the above is the Spice Girls, but they're an abomination all their own :). <<< Jejeje... flame me men, but I rather like some of the Spice Girls songs... they're funny :-) Later... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:42:55 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification I hate classifications!!!!!!!! Rafa. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:50:43 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 10:06:04 -0400 (EDT) > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > Subject: Re: (kw) Classification > > > And as for New Order, I tend not to think of them as one of the 80's synthesizer acts in the same way I think of > Depeche Mode, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc. New Order's live shows have > always featured Bernard Sumner on guitar and Peter Hook on bass, so that > always did away with the "4-man at synth console" approach. Yes I saw New Order at Wembly Arena in 1988, they used lead and bass guitars all through the concert, I especially remember either Bernard or Peter saying .."this next part of the set is for all you depressive bastards out there"! It was followed by several Joy Division tracks. If you are aware of JD, then you will especially realise why they use guitars. The best caption I have ever seen on a band t-shirt was: "NEW ORDER..........A DIVISION OF JOY" Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:07:36 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:36:25 +-200 Uffe Silverup writes: > >I second that part about Throbbing Gristle being "Industrial", but >what = >about Cabaret Voltaire? > >IMHO The Cabs are as much "Industrial" as TG. > and what about this heat and tuxedomoon? tom w np: cul de sac - i dont want to go to bed # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:29:34 PST From: freiheit@tstonramp.com Subject: Re: (kw) New material? ** Reply to note from "Scott M. Barnhill" Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Thanks to Scott Barnhill for the short .WAV of the new Kraftwerk song from the Tribal Gathering. My impression? Considering it is only about 30 seconds of it, so I haven't heard as much as those of you who were actually there, I fear the godfathers of techno, technopop, and industrial have lost their edge. This bit sounds rather like they want to be Prodigy or some other such (shall I say freakish?) group. I still would not hesitate to buy the album when it comes out to hear the rest of the new material. I have no doubt there will be redeeming qualities when it's taken as a whole. That is the Kraftwerk way. Thanks again Scott, /------------------dON eITNER------------------\ | published author, web publisher, OS/2 user | |----------------------------------------------| | freiheit@tstonramp.com | | http://www.tstonramp.com/~freiheit/styx.html | \----------------------------------------------/ cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 03:19:18 PDT From: "miffo man" Subject: Re: (kw) Classification >Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >>Front242 was industrial back >>in 1981 with their 'Geography' album or Nitzer Ebb in 1987 > >I was hoping somebody would mention the two definitions of >industrial... Two??? What is Einsturzende Neubauten or Die hafler trio then? 2 more or?? And if Nitzer and Front was industrial then allmost all "non-mainstream" synth groups of the early eighties also industrial!! Miffo_Man ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:32:50 +1000 From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re: SV: (kw) Classification > > I hate classifications!!!!!!!! > > Rafa. > Yes but very convenient when searching for new music experiences or what do U think? It's the same with comparing different groups music with eachother to find "clones" i.e. when a band releases too few records............ // Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:55:00 -0400 From: ralphm@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (kw) Classification >All I know is that I saw both 808 State and New Order perform live >on the same stage in the summer of '93, and that performance was anything >but wimpy! 808 State created a virtual world up there on stage using a full >laser light show, and I felt more like I was in a planetarium than a >concert! It was truly fantastic. I saw 808 State at the Masquerade in Atlanta about the same year, maybe a little before. They were great. I really liked the laser show and they had a front man running around to pump things up a bit. I think if they just came out and played it wouldn't have been as exciting. I forget which, but one of the two lead guys broke out a guitar and was trying to move around and play and tripped on one of the speaker monitors. He hopped right back up and continued on. I knew it was a million-to-one shot that Bjork would be there and of course she wasn't. Just curious if she was around at any of them at all. >NIN has strayed from the industrial genre (Pretty Hate Machine) and >gone into something I can't describe. Both Ministry and NIN at one >time fit a different kind of industrial sound...it reminds me more of >a large factory producing automobiles, with heavy machinery sounds. Someone said they didn't like classifications. Agreed, but if you have to I would agree with the factory idea stated above. I mentioned a little while ago about OMD's version of Neon Lights and hadn't heard anything back about it. Is it that disliked? Or been discussed to death? Just give me a "been there, done that" and I'll let it alone. Ralph Milam ralphm@mindspring.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:24:27 -0400 From: Regor@webtv.net (R. D.) Subject: Re: (kw) Your poll results. ThanKs for the results. How many people responded ? - -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV since 01/09/97. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:23:31 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: SV: (kw) Classification I thought we'd settled this one months ago when Jules Siefert classified Kraftwerk music as "Shit Hot". I second that emotion. Nuff said. Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:23:05 From: "POOLTON, Richard" Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Classification Sealand wrote: Yes I saw New Order at Wembly Arena in 1988, they used lead and bass guitars all through the concert, I especially remember either Bernard or Peter saying .."this next part of the set is for all you depressive bastards out there"! It was followed by several Joy Division tracks. If you are aware of JD, then you will especially realise why they use guitars. >>Now that is sacrilige, no-one, and I mean no-one, other than the legend that is Ian Curtis has any right to attempt to sing a JD song. Can we ever forgive Paul Young's attrocious ruining of Love Will Tear Us Apart?<< Regards Richard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:41:30 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Classification POOLTON, Richard wrote: > > > >>Now that is sacrilige, no-one, and I mean no-one, other than the legend that > is Ian Curtis has any right to attempt to sing a JD song. Can we ever forgive > Paul Young's attrocious ruining of Love Will Tear Us Apart?<< > Dunno how you can say that, since it's still 3/4 of Joy Division...I mean, three of New Order wrote the songs so they have as much claim to it as anybody. And it's not like in their early days they didn't still tour on JD songs, with barney even doing a pretty damn good imitation if Ian... - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= The horror! The horror! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:54:25 -0400 From: Joel Provost Subject: (kw) Karshrule Concert Hi everyone, New to the list, but a loooong time Kraftwerk fan. I was writing to see if anyone may be on this list that is hoping/thinking/planning on attending one of the two european concerts from the Tampa Bay Florida USA area. I'm looking for someone to partner with on a trip across the big pond. I don't have any friends that are big enough (or rich enough) Kraftwerk fans to make the trip. Don't want to do it alone... Never been out of North America :-( myself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #123 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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