From: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com (kraftwerk Digest) To: kraftwerk-digest@xmission.com Subject: kraftwerk Digest V3 #127 Reply-To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Sender: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com Precedence: kraftwerk Digest Sunday, August 24 1997 Volume 03 : Number 127 In this issue: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Re: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" (kw) Spanish concerts (kw) Tour de France (version allemande) Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument (kw) Concerts RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts (kw) "Transmission Beam"/TDF Lyrics RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Re: (kw) Spanish concerts (kw) Extensive Kraftwerk airplay on VIVA?? (kw) The Face magazine 7/97, kwspottings Re: (kw) Spanish concerts See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the kraftwerk or kraftwerk-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk >Finally, whilst many people may know this, NewOrder recorded a song >called KW1 (short for Kraftwerk#1) in 1983 that was released as "Your >Silent Face". Well worth listening to. Mark and I were discussing this last night on #Kraftwerk. It's been mentioned on the list some time ago in past digests, but let me just add this info for those of you that haven't heard it yet. The song, originally titled "KW1", can be found on NewOrder's 1983 LP entitled 'Power, Corruption, and Lies'. As Mark mentioned, the title of it was changed to "Your Silent Face" for the release of the LP. (Incidentally, this LP is the same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") "Your Silent Face" sounds particularly KW-esque in that its structure is made up of the same synth arpeggios with heavy delay on them as can be found on "Franz Schubert" and "Europe Endless". It would seem to me that NewOrder was influenced by the 'Trans-Europe Express' album in particular when writing this song. By the way, let me just take a brief moment to thank everyone for making our #Kraftwerk channel on DALnet such a busy place lately. Thanks go out to Julze, Werk, RobertK, ROBOT, Ongaku, FANetically, Chemicals, CERb, DataGirl, DataBoy, FATboot, etc. You all know who you are. :-) - -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Das Leben ist Zeitlos..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:40:47 +0200 From: "F. G." Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" > Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil I think I've read somewhere they sang "Soy el operador de mi pequeño calculador" instead. > Y pulsando una tecla especial > toca la melodia seleccionada Plus, the translation for that would be Pulsando una tecla especial Toca una pequeña melodia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >I never heard a Spanish version of this song, but here you have the >exact translation, anyway it doesn't sound too much musical ;) > >------- > >Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil On one of the discographies, the version of "Pocket Calculator" released in Spain (although just the English-language recording) lists the song as "Calculadora de Bolsillo". So would it more accurately be "calculadora de bolsillo" or "calculadora portatil"? - -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "Ich bin der Musikant..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:03:03 +0200 From: RoBoten Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" At 17:09 1997-08-23 +0000, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil > Do we need a swedish translation? Jag =E4r musikanten med minir=E4knare i handen Jag adderar och subtraherar Jag kontrollerar och komponerar . . . Och n=E4r jag en viss tangent tryckt Spelar den ett kort musikstycke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:03:36 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Scott, On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > Just a question out of curiosity. If Kraftwerk is playing in Linz > on the 16th of October, and in Karlsruhe just 2 days later on the 18th, why > is there only an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert on their website > and not the Linz one? Since they perform live so infrequently these days, > one would expect to find every show advertised that's coming up. Perhaps > the show in Linz is going to be much lower-scale with regard to the venue > itself and the promotion. Any ideas? I asked this Andreas Kuchartz a few hours ago, I will keep you in touch with his statements... The Posthof is well known for tour-preparing, The The for example did their tour-preparing in Linz for one week, because of the high technical and accoustical standards there... GOD! If KW will do the same.......... This will be heaven on earth.......... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:59:56 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument Hi, y'all! Once again, our boys are decades ahead of the pack! Check this out- I saw a show late last night on "Discovery" -(a US cable channel)- with a segment about a musical instrument called a "Transmission Beam". It's basically a conical beam of infrared light projected from a "box", and it's played sort of like a Theremin- you wave your hand around in front of it to produce tones. Very SYNTHY! Well, according to a KW Article/Interview I'd read in the late 70's -I can't find it off hand, but- not only did they connect themselves and their clothing to their sound equipment for interesting effects -(and to have a symbiotic relationship with the machines)-, they also had the fantastic idea of rigging up a series of light beams on stage, and having dancers break the beams of light and make MusiK with their body-movements. Neat, huh? They had considered doing the dancing themselves, but, they thought it would be better to collaborate with a Ballet troupe or some other professional dancers. Unfortunately, nothing was ever done with this brilliant idea- although dance groups have used KW's MusiK, ofcourse. On another TV note: While I was Off-Line and couldn't TELL everybody - -(*ARGH*)-, they played ROBOTS on AMP again. They've also been running that same old Rock & Roll documentary series on PBS these past few weeks. So, I caught the AUTOBAHN Sound Check footage. -(Get a load of K&W's home made percussion pads! 'Looks like a couple of barbeque grills with tinfoil pancakes cooking on top- and BOY, can They COOK!)- It was mixed in with Afrika Bambaata talking about how KW influenced him- "Who's these funky white boys over in Germany with this futuristic sound?". It's in the 10th - -(I think)- and final 1-hour episode subtitled "The Perfect Beat", talking about Rap & TECHNO, etc. I wish I could've alerted everyone.*sigh*. -(The Computer picked the WORST time to take a system dump on me!)- Anyway, they replay this series on PBS quite often. Catch it if you can! Note: there is another similar Rock & Roll Hall of Fame series- it's easy to confuse them for each other and I always get the titles mixed up, but, the right series is the one with the flaming guitar flying up in the air at the opening of each show. -(Yeah, KooL! BURN that Git-Fiddle! Just don't set my KORG on fire!)- Video compilations, anyone? I'm WERKing on it.... Oh- I finally ran into that dude who promised to build me a Silk-Screen frame, and he still hasn't done it yet. Jeez- I can't win for losin'. Believe me, I really am TRYing to get my K-shirts done. "Patience my @$$...." ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:06:47 +0100 From: jbv Subject: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument ROBOT wrote : >Once again, our boys are decades ahead of the pack! Mmmmh... Not really. In the late 60s, some french composer of musique concrete (Pierre Henry I think) made a few live shows with a giant electronic screen sensitive to movements made at a certain distance. The screen was connected to a set of various sound generators / effects, and some dancers (probably Bejart's students) where invited to improvise in front of the screen in order to trigger and develop various sound structures. > Unfortunately, nothing >was ever done with this brilliant idea- yeah, that's the problem. They always seems more attracted by ideas than by actually making these ideas come true. For about 10 years, they seem very attracted by the idea of releasing an album of new material... jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:52:52 -0000 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk - ---------- > From: Scott M. Barnhill >The song, originally titled "KW1", can be found on NewOrder's 1983 LP entitled 'Power, > Corruption, and Lies'. As Mark mentioned, the title of it was changed to > "Your Silent Face" for the release of the LP. (Incidentally, this LP is the > same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 (nothing to do with Pentiums as far as I'm aware) sounds very, very similar. ie the all the same notes, but played in a slightly different order ;-) Incidentally I believe that the full version of 586 is about to be mass released for the first time. It was commissioned for the opening of the Hacienda club, but only a shortened version appears on PC&L. Well I think its 586 but I might be wrong!! It has to be said that Your Silent Face is one of my favorite New Order tacks. Sends shivers down my spine. And it has the great line "You've caught me at a bad time. So why don't you piss off". You can't get much better than that :-) Anyway this not the New Order mailing list so I'll shut up. Cheers Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:07:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk >> same one which contains the NewOrder classic "Blue Monday") >Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 Actually, "Blue Monday" DOES appear on 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' here in America (Qwest 9 25308-2). I also had the UK Factory version of the album at one point, which does not contain the track. However, the album was released on Qwest records here in the USA and the LP contains "Blue Monday" as track #5, right before "Your Silent Face" incidentally. :-) Ok, back to Kraftwerk. - -- Scott nebulous@erols.com "..and at the fall of night, this city's made of light." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:04:46 -0000 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) KW1 / #Kraftwerk > From: Scott M. Barnhill > > >Blue Monday does not appear on Power Corruption And Lies. But the track 586 > > Actually, "Blue Monday" DOES appear on 'Power, Corruption, and Lies' > here in America (Qwest 9 25308-2). Well hush my mouth :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:32:06 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument "ROBOT" wrote: >Unfortunately, nothing >was ever done with this brilliant idea- although dance groups have used >KW's MusiK, ofcourse. Doesn't Jarre use beams of light to play sounds? haha. I always knew he was a phoney!!! ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:32:01 GMT From: jseifert@cableinet.co.uk (Jules Seifert) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument jbv wrote: >For about 10 years, they seem very attracted by the idea of releasing >an album of new material... hehe. and touring the world.......... ciao, - ------------------------------------ Jules Seifert The Voice of Energy!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:38:07 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" > > > Soy el operador con mi calculadora portatil > > I think I've read somewhere they sang > "Soy el operador de mi peque=F1o calculador" instead. > > > > Y pulsando una tecla especial > > toca la melodia seleccionada > > Plus, the translation for that would be > > Pulsando una tecla especial > Toca una peque=F1a melodia > Well, i've translated what i've heard in the song, can someone write the EXACT text in english? what i understood is this: - ------- I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm adding and substracting I'm controlling and composing and pressing down a special key it plays a selected melody - --------- And about "calculadora de bolsillo" or "calculadora portatil" is the same though the first option is the exact translation. I thought that second option was shorter... The same happens with Italian, i think that "minicalcolatore" sounds like "mini calculator". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:35:45 +0100 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Re: "Transmission beam" Instrument Hi all, hi Robot, ROBOT wrote: > ...a musical instrument called a "Transmission Beam". It's basically a > conical beam of infrared light projected from a "box", and it's played > sort of like a Theremin- you wave your hand around in front of it to > produce tones. Very SYNTHY! Well, it is as "synthy" as the sound generator modules allow... The light (or, as in the Theremin, the electrical field) detectors are only the interface. The particular timbre of the instrument has no relation with the player-instrument interaction. ROBOT wrote: > they also had the fantastic idea of rigging up a series of light beams > on stage, and having dancers break the beams of light and make MusiK > with their body-movements. jbv wrote: > Mmmmh... Not really. In the late 60s, some french composer of > musique concrete (Pierre Henry I think) made a few live shows with > a giant electronic screen sensitive to movements made at a certain > distance. > The screen was connected to a set of various sound generators / > effects, and some dancers (probably Bejart's students) where invited > to improvise in front of the screen in order to trigger and develop > various sound structures. The composer to use this technique was John Cage on 1965 with the performance of Variations V with the Merce Cunningham Dance Company. I think there is a quite known photo of this performance with Cage and Tudor on the electronics and the dancers on the background where you can see the screens. Regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:45:05 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" > > A Spanish studio version does not exist, but Huetter used to sing the > first verse in Spanish during their concerts in Spain. (How about a > transcription, Jose? ;-) ) > i didn't know they played here in Spain, anyway i suppose i was too young to see them (i'm 30). Can you tell me when and where did they play at Spain ? cya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:05:52 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" > > > > Y pulsando una tecla especial > > toca la melodia seleccionada > > Plus, the translation for that would be > > Pulsando una tecla especial > Toca una peque=F1a melodia > that's right, sorry, i understood "selected" instead of "little"... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:11:49 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" I've found this english version: I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I am adding and subtracting I'm controlling and composing By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody By pressing down a special key, it plays a little melody I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm the operator with my pocket calculator ... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:37:59 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >I've found this english version: > >I'm the operator with my pocket calculator As long as we're on the subject of foreign language versions of KW, could someone please print the lyrics for the German version of "Tour de France"? Thanks. - -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus..." P.S. - Hey Jules, I know you're lovin' this thread right about now. hehe ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:38:10 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Spanish concerts > i didn't know they played here in Spain, anyway i suppose i was too > young to see them (i'm 30). Can you tell me when and where did they > play at Spain ? 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal Emil Schult has once mentioned a 1978 Barcelona gig, but this seems to be flawed memory, I guess? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:28:04 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Tour de France (version allemande) > As long as we're on the subject of foreign language versions of KW, > could someone please print the lyrics for the German version of "Tour de > France"? Thanks. Hoelle des Nordens von Roubaix, Die Alpen und die Pyrenaen, Die Cote d'Azur und Saint Tropez, Etappenziel Champs-Elysees. Pulzfrequenz im Haertetest, Der Koerper ist jetzt sattelfest, [???] Die Form ist da, jetzt geht es ab. I am not able to understand the missing line. Anyone else? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:14:16 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >I never heard a Spanish version of this song, but here you have the >exact translation, anyway it doesn't sound too much musical ;) well, not that the italian version sounds so wonderful... :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:14:26 +0200 From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >and pressing down a special key >it plays a selected melody doesn't it say: when I press a special key plays a little melody ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:14:24 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) "Transmission beam" Instrument >the late 70's -I can't find it off hand, but- not only did they connect >themselves and their clothing to their sound equipment for interesting >effects -(and to have a symbiotic relationship with the machines)-, they well, I saw three shows of Laurie Anderson in which she wore (sp? I mean she was wearing) such a suit with switches that triggered precussive sounds. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:15:19 +0200 From: mars.sjoestrand@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: (kw) Concerts Hi everybody! Just wondered how big the audience would be if the Karlsruhe gig would be sold out. What is the biggest audience KW ever played for?=20 M=E5ns Wenn Wellen schwingen - Ferne Stimmen singen.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:43:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, lbo wrote: > >and pressing down a special key > >it plays a selected melody > > doesn't it say: > > when I press a special key > plays a little melody I thought it was: by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:58:14 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >I thought it was: > >by pressing down a special key >it plays a little melody Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) - -- Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Boing Boom Tschak...TechnoPop!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:01:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >I thought it was: > > > >by pressing down a special key > >it plays a little melody > Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:16:12 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" >> >by pressing down a special key >> >it plays a little melody > >> Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) > >Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) (In my best announcer voice): For being such a good sport and an outstanding contestant, you win two tickets to sunny Karlsruhe this October where you'll be staying at the Royal Umlaut hotel! Enjoy the sounds of Kraftwerk live from your highrise terrace without abandoning the comforts of room service! There's one catch, Ra - you have to give ME the second ticket because I'm stuck in the damn USA and haven't seen KW live yet!! ahhhh!! :-P Slowly losing my mind, Scott M. Barnhill nebulous@erols.com "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:56:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > >> Yup, that'd be correct, Ra. :-) > >Yay! What do I win?! *<&^) > > (In my best announcer voice): For being such a good sport and an > outstanding contestant, you win two tickets to sunny Karlsruhe this October > where you'll be staying at the Royal Umlaut hotel! Enjoy the sounds of > Kraftwerk live from your highrise terrace without abandoning the comforts of > room service! Woohoo!! :) > There's one catch, Ra - you have to give ME the second ticket > because I'm stuck in the damn USA and haven't seen KW live yet!! ahhhh!! :-P Aww, nuts! There's always a catch. I'm stuck here slightly higher up in Canada, and I haven't seen them live yet either. :( /* Soleil "Ra" Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs * * "The human race believes in not taking its problems seriously * enough to solve them." - Celia Green */ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:20:22 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: (kw) Mellotron doubts >>pure sine waves sound nothing like voices >A sine wave with vibrato on it sounds like a soprano (sp?). Kraftwerk used >such a sound on "Airwaves" on Radioactivity. I have a Moog Rogue that puts out a female soprano 'voice' identical to the one in "Airwaves"... so YES, it CAN be done! >> - vocal sounds are >>very very complex and sine waves are obviously not..... True. I've synthesized voices from scratch on my CZ-101 and you need a good complex waveform to start with. Otherwise the voices sound nasal-- like W.C. Fields :-)... >Speech vocal sounds are very complex. A sine wave using vibrato and played >with plenty of portamento sounds similar to a soprano - although not exactly >the same. Kind of like a Theremin, but it depends on the equipment you have. I won't get too deeply into this, but I know that KW's Mellotron stuff seems to have splices and tape imperfections in it. But who gives a dang-- it sounds good, and I think the imperfections improve the sound... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:00:46 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "Transmission Beam"/TDF Lyrics Okay, people, I simply meant it was something KW wanted to do 20 years ago, and now all these "modern" inventors are jumping on the bandwagon, so to speak! HA! Yes, I remember Stockhausen and a couple of other innovators doing it in the 60's. But, if you MUST nitpick, I recall learning back in 7th grade - -(nevermind what year it was!)- that somebody was experimenting with this general concept in the 1930's, expanding on the Theremin idea- only they didn't have Photo Receptors back then, as far as I know, -(I'm sure SOMEbody will correct me if I'm mistaken ;] ROBOWINKY)-, so, the light beams were for visual effect only, while the dancers/conductor moved around in a field of radio waves- like, the whole "stage" was a giant Theremin or something.... whatever. I also read somewhere that the first "electric" -if not fully "electronic"- instrument was invented in the mid 1800's when some genius attatched an electromagnet to a bathtub and it resonated like a loudspeaker. I wonder what it sounded like? *HUMMMMBUZZZZZ* 'Probably had no pitch control. It was called "Galvinic Music" -battery powered. This was long before electric/electronic organs. Hell, let's talk about the first pipe organ- the oldest one I've heard of is at the Elisabeth Kirche -(sp? That means "not sure of the spelling", whoever asked that earlier....)- in Marburg, DE, circa 1200AD. Organs were mentioned in the Bible -and I don't mean heart/lungs, etc- so, the "Granddaddy of All SYNTHESIZERS" is an Ancient instrument, indeed. - -(Various pipes mimic various instuments, "Reeds", "Woodwinds", etc.)- Think about it- look how KW blends the imagery of the Past with imagery of the Future and brings it into the RIGHT NOW. Is ANYthing really "new" anymore? Food for thought. As for TDF lyrics, they're printed on the back of the Album- but, I STILL can't hear the difference between the German & French versions. -(Okay, so I'm deaf as well as "dumb".... picky-picky....)- - -(It's all in caps, and my keyboard has no fancy punctuation marks, so....)- =TOUR DE FRANCE= L'efer du nord Paris-Roubaix/ La Cote D'Azur et Saint-Tropez/ Les Alpes et Les Pyrenees/Derniere Etape Champs-Elysees/ Galibier et Tourmalet/En Danseuse Jusqu'Au Sommet/ Pedalier en Grang Braquet/Sprint Final A'Larrivee/ Crevaison Sur Les Paves/Le Velo vite repare/ Le Peleton est regroupe/Camerades et Amite/ Bon nuit! -(I tried....)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:23:53 +0200 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation English I'm the operator with my pocket calculator I'm adding and substracting I'm controlling and composing by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody Dutch Ik ben een muzikant met mijn rekennmachine in de hand Ik tel op, en tel af Ik controleer, en componeer door drukken op een speciale toets speelt het een kleine melodie Dolf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:51:59 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: RE: (kw) about "Pocket Calculator" Dutch Translation > Ik ben een muzikant met mijn rekennmachine in de hand For the record: Huetter sung in Utrecht 1991: "Ik ben een muzikant met calculator in de hand." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:21:06 +0200 (MEST) From: Subject: Re: (kw) Karlsruhe advert / Musik Zeitlos Hi! > > Just a question out of curiosity. If Kraftwerk is playing in Linz > > on the 16th of October, and in Karlsruhe just 2 days later on the 18th, why > > is there only an advertisement for the Karlsruhe concert on their website > > and not the Linz one? Since they perform live so infrequently these days, > > one would expect to find every show advertised that's coming up. Perhaps > > the show in Linz is going to be much lower-scale with regard to the venue > > itself and the promotion. Any ideas? > I asked this Andreas Kuchartz a few hours ago, I will keep you in touch > with his statements... Andreas answer is: The Linz Concert is intentionally not listed on the kw-site. Why it is not he must not/dont want/cannot tell me... COOL! Actually, I have NOT expected some kind of other reply... So, again, there will be lots of rumors coming up: Is the KW Gig in Linz going to be canceled? Will it be a "robots only" Gig? What is a "lower-scale" Kraftwerk Gig? Any hints Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:27:23 +0000 From: "Jose Gonzalez" Subject: Re: (kw) Spanish concerts > > > 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 > 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena > 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste > 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal > aaarrrgh ! , i thought they never played here, i saw no advertisement of that concerts !! and what about recordings?, there are recordings of many concerts but not from those at Spain... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:59:39 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Extensive Kraftwerk airplay on VIVA?? Not that I believe the following myself, but I guess that it can't hurt to mention it here anyway, just in case that there *is* anything behind it... I have heard that the German TV channel VIVA has allegedly broadcast a long "Kraftwerk Night" Special recently, including all the promo video clips, a TV performance of "Ruckzuck" from 1970/71 (feat. Ralf Huetter) and the complete TV footage from their concert in Paris, 1973. Is anybody able to confirm that this story is a hoax? Or is there a certain possibility that there is some truth behind it? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:18:17 +0200 From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) The Face magazine 7/97, kwspottings Two funny things in The Face magazine, number 7, 97. Page 44, "Are Kraftwerk reading your E-mail?" Page 122, Kraftwerk listed on place 90 of the 100-most-influential-people-in-fashion-list. "90 Kraftwerk They walked on stage in matching outfits at Tribal Gathering and, at last, realised just how respected they are as pop pioneers. And it's not just about the music. Come on, Ralf and Florian were Prada before Prada existed." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:29:04 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Spanish concerts > > 02.06.1981: Barcelona, Palau Grana Blau 2 > > 07.11.1991: Valencia, Auditorium Arena > > 08.11.1991: Barcelona, Zeleste > > 09.11.1991: Zaragoza, Carpa Municipal > > and what about recordings?, there are recordings of many concerts but > not from those at Spain... Livetapes of the two concerts in Barcelona do exist, and there is also a bootleg video from the Zaragoza concert, but I have never heard of a recording from Valencia. Anyone else perhaps? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk Digest V3 #127 ******************************* To subscribe to kraftwerk Digest, send the command: subscribe kraftwerk-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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